Game 31: Mariners at Yankees
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- May
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YANKEES
Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Duncan 1B
Matsui LF
Giambi DH
Ensberg 3B
Molina C
Gonzalez 2B
Wang RHP (5-0, 3.23)
MARINERS
Ichiro CF
Lopez 2B
Ibanez LF
Beltre 3B
Clement DH
Sexson 1B
Balentien RF
Burke C
Betancourt SS
Bedard LHP (2-0, 2.04)
Chien-Ming Wang vs. the Seattle hitters.
Erik Bedard vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: Wang has pitched twice to Molina this season. He has allowed one earned run over 16 innings. … Seattle has lost two straight. … The Yankees have lost three straight and six of eight.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 6:01 p.m.: Jorge Posada has received opinions from all of the doctors (James Andrews, Tim Kremchek and David Altcheck) and all agree that he has rotator cuff tendinitis and will need rest and rehab. Surgery is a possibility but not until the offseason. There does seem to be a little concern about his labrum, too. But the general consensus is that his problem is with the rotator cuff.
Posada will go another 10 days without throwing or swinging then start a two-week rehab period. After that, they’ll determine where he is. He will need minor-league rehab games. We’re looking at early June assuming there no setbacks. Given what happened last time, they will be cautious. I would guess maybe June 10,
Meanwhile, Phil Hughes learned today that he is nearsighted and he is being fitted for glasses. So that explains some stuff as well. He thinks the cracked rib is related to a mechanical flaw, which also explains some stuff.
RHP Jose Veras is here, taking the spot of Hughes.
With the day off coming up on Monday, the Yankees will skip Ian Kennedy’s next start. They won’t need a No. 5 starter until May 10. They’re discussing whether it will be Kennedy or somebody else.
UPDATE, 7:21 p.m.: Just a terrible night here at the ballpark. It was 49 degrees at first pitch and it’s windy. Several writers are watching the game from the press room (and shame on you all) but we’re here in the elements.
Kansas football coach Mark Mangino was on the field before the game talking to Joe Girardi and bench coach Rob Thomson, a KU grad.
I’ve probably mentioned this before, but Ichiro may be my favorite player to watch in the majors. What a talented player and he has such great flair to what he does. I’ve interviewed him a few times and found him to be a good guy as well.
Meanwhile, another Japanese star who is a good guy, Hideki Matsui, just delivered an RBI single to give the Yanks a 1-0 lead. Make it stand up, Wanger.
UPDATE, 7:58 p.m.: Check out this stat from the Yankees’ media notes:
Robinson Cano had the lowest batting in April (.151) for a player coming off two consecutive .300 seasons since Lyman Bostock hit .148 in April of 1978.
UPDATE, 8:35 p.m.: It’s going to take somebody really smacking one to hit the ball out tonight. The wind is blowing straight in.
Meanwhile, I made a little semi-witty remark during Girardi’s pre-game press conference and Anthony McCarron of the News stole it for their blog. But at least he credited me.
UPDATE, 8:59 p.m.: That pesky Ichiro stole second and third and scored on a groundout. That snapped a streak of 13 consecutive scoreless innings by Wang.
UPDATE, 9:09 p.m.: Something must be wrong with the Wanger’s fingernail. He sometimes gets a blister under there. I have him at 90 pitches and he’s able to go 100-110 at this point.
Regardless, he was terrific again tonight.
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nice to see Cano getting a rest
So Bedard is good for at least 7 IP 1 ER against this lineup.
yet another Fresh lineup….well if it works for ya, Joe….just keep doin’ it,,,right ?
I always do this
GONZO !
Probably a good move giving Cano the night off. Doesn’t hit anyone lately, but has never hit Bedard well. Weakest lower third of a Yankees order in years, but there aren’t a lot of alternatives.
Would love to see a nice 7 inning outing from Wang to rest up the pen from the beatings they’ve been taking. Lets go offense…time to kick into gear. Seattle’s struggling a bit so lets take advantage and get this home stand over to our advantage.
Wooo the sweep! But listen Yankees fans…im from Detriot..i was at the game last night and the stadium was dead…no buddy was into the game…I mean come on your the greatest fans in the world…start acting like it.
Hey I was pretty close.
jennifer
May 2nd, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Any shots at tonights lineup?
Melky cf
Jeter ss
Bobby rf
Matsui lf
Shelley 1b
jason dh
Cano 2b
Jose c
Alberto 3b
my Mike Francesca is telling me Joba is going to do great in the 8thing with that the yankees will lose 9-3
no cano…maybe it will be good to get a break. Wang’s gonna get his 6th win tonight and there won’t be any offensive troubles. (let’s hope for that at least!)
May we see the winning fomular again tonite: Wang-Joba-Mo!
good, Cano needs a day off - or two or three
Peter - do the Vets (Jeter, Mo, Mussina, Andy,) seem worried yet?
No Robbie Cano, dontcha know?
Does Cano have a rib injury?
May we see the winning fomular again tonite: Wang-Joba-Mo!
I’d rather see another CG =)
Well, if ever there was a night we needed Wang to pitch…
I think the funny thing in all this is that it hasn’t been bad trades that have put the Yankees where they are, but bad signings.
It’s been Cashman’s lack of ability to asseess talent that has led the Yankees to a glut of ineffective players. Now Cashman is turning his less-than acute acumen toward developing young talent…Think about.
Wang will save us.
I hope
Dave,
If you’re going to subject us to posting the same comment in three (3!) consecutive threads, at least fix your spelling.
cross posting my last point about arroyo:
“You projecting that he can do that in the AL. I’m not so sure he can.
When he was in the AL, he wasn’t consistent at all.
He gets to face easier lineups in the NL.
Just not a fan of trading good prospects for a JAG (Just Another Guy).
I’d take the financial hit and trade a better level prospect for a guy like Kevin Millwood before I would go after a guy like Arroyo.
That is, if the Yankees feel they have to go outside the organization for pitching help.”
Again, you are underrating Arroyo. He played 3 seasons in the AL.
2003 - 17.3 IP, 4 walks, 14 K’s, 225 ERA+
2004 - 178.7 IP, 47 walks, 142 K’s, 121 ERA+
2005 - 205.3 IP, 54 walks, 100 K’s, 100 ERA+
Above average for all 3 seasons. His first season in the NL was way better than his career averages but it came back down last year to more in line (110 ERA+).
I’d take Arroyo’s 2005 numbers over any pitcher in our organization except Wang/Pettitte. Nobody but those two could match those numbers THIS season.
Millwood has been worse than Arroyo over the last 4 years.
You really should go look at the stats for both of them, I linked Arroyo’s above, here is Millwood’s http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/millwke01.shtml
Stick to one lineup Joe. Stop moving everyone around every night.
What really bugs me is how we have the toughest schedule in the league. We get Seattle now after Detroit just leaves town on fire. We have more away games than anyone - also, we have to play all of the top teams while the Bosux get to play the Tampa Bay every other series. It’s just not fair - I don’t understand why MLB hates the Yankees so much.
Looks like a decent line-up. Hopefully Wang can save the Yankees and give them length. The M’s are rather aggressive swingers, so maybe he can get them going out of the zone.
Mel, I didn’t realize Dave appeared here with the same comment. Well I answered him in another thread but now am thinking I posted well after everyone had hopped above! So here is my post in its entirety, part of it which was for you.
Dave - that’s because nobody wants to watch Detroit. You know, they’re so, well, last year…
Mel - you truly ARE the voice of reason. And I know you’re right. It’s not going to make a difference no matter what we say to them. But still, I say that I am not going to bother saying another word about (whatever). Then I read another “off base” post (ha ha, like my answers are the correct ones. Well they are, yes?
) And I think to myself, you REALLY need to respond to that! Geeze, how can he/she even be thinking that way????? Yeah that last word syndrome can be a killer!
“When you do what you love, the money usually follows.” I’ll do you one better, though if you’re someone who wants the money to follow this will fall on deaf ears. Do what you love, and as long as you can find a way to keep a roof over your head and food on your table, you will achieved the greatest success life has to offer - self satisfaction.
I know I chose a branch of my profession where there is notably little money to be had. But I had to satisfy the burning in my soul or I would have been nothing more than a well-paid fraud.
Chew on that a while!
I wonder if Wang can hit
Aside from interleague play, the Yankees will play virtually the same schedule in terms of teams as the Red Sox. They’ll just play those teams at different times. However, the scheduling of the days off is ridiculous.
How can geriatric Giambi be in this lineup? He is ZERO against lefties! My god is Girardi taking stupid pills!
Yankees are 51 wins and 55 losses with
Giambi in the lineup since the beginning of 2007. Please DFA him!!!
ok Joe G when it gets to July this lineup better be figured out non of this Larry Brown stuff
Giambi has a .982 OPS vs Bedard.
At this point who cares, he is really terrible right now.
lol I was going to gripe about the lineup, but you all have it covered.
Mr. Exceptional,
Exactly. The bad signings have piled up. Cashman had the right idea trading out of deal like Jaret Wright, Randy Johnson, Sheff, but then seemingly abandoned that approach.
I know Damon, Giambi have no trade clauses, but he traded Randy Johnson who had a bad back and couldn’t pitch for a bevy of players who have helped the team.
He had a chance to get out from under the money owed to Igawa last season when the Padres claimed him and instead pulled him back.
I don’t know if any of you remember, but before last season there was actual interest in Carl Pavano. Teams were willing to take a shot on him provided we ate some money.
One of Cashman’s best attributes was when we’d eat money on a deal in a trade, he made sure we got something valuable back for eating the money.
Then this off season comes along and the guy sits on his hands. He rubber stamps resigning vets and picking up Abreu’s option.
He refuses to deal prospects who were insanely hyped during the off season. I mean seriously, if he thinks everyone one of the prospects in the system is going to pan out he’s insane.
We’re seeing the law of averages with top prospects happen right before our eyes.
Not all of them become good players. It’s a risk.
He sent the word out to opposing GM’s that don’t even bother asking him for his prospects in a trade which in essence means he’s not interested in trading.
Part of the reason for a farm system is to develop trade chips to help the major league club.
It’s just frustrating to me as a fan to see the mixed signals the organization sent this off season. Sign Arod, Mo and Posada to record deals and roll the dice on a rotation with 2 rookies and a vet who got kicked out of the rotation last year for being ineffective.
Most of us who didn’t drink the Generation Trey kool aid saw the definite potential for what has happened.
The mistake that was made was Hughes and Kennedy were lumped together with Joba.
To put it bluntly, they both have a long way to go before they should be lumped with Joba ever again.
Expanding on my earlier point…if you actually look at why Cashman was able to make trades (absorbing big money), he’s an even worse GM than I thought. Imagine him GMing a team who didn’t have their coffers filled like the Yankees. His poor decision making and talent evaluation without the money would mirror some of the lesser teams.
trisha,
I often repost myself, but usually give warning.
As for doing what you love. I agree. Do what you love. But you got to eat, too.
I’ve discouraged my son from thinking about being an attorney. (Sorry, guys!) With the following caveat: Do it if you think you can make a difference in the world. If you can be an advocate for an honorable cause or demographic and if you can, and this is so cliche, change the world then go for it. As we already have so many fine attorneys doing prosecuting, litigation, defending, and estate planning!
“Stick to one lineup Joe. Stop moving everyone around every night.”
Is it really so hard to understand why he’s juggling the lineups regularly?
The regular third baseman and catcher are injured. Cano and Giambi aren’t hitting. Lefties have been pitching against the Yanks lately.
With all those things going on is it really that difficult to ascertain that there will be lineup changes?
I’ve discouraged my son from thinking about being an attorney. (Sorry, guys!) With the following caveat: Do it if you think you can make a difference in the world. If you can be an advocate for an honorable cause or demographic and if you can, and this is so cliche, change the world then go for it. As we already have so many fine attorneys doing prosecuting, litigation, defending, and estate planning!
Pfff tell your son to be a defense or corporate IP lawyer
“If you can be an advocate for an honorable cause or demographic and if you can, and this is so cliche, change the world then go for it.”
Which is what I did - at least I consider it an honorable cause with a chance to make life a little better for some people who need help.
I have a comfortable roof over my head, and I have food on my table. My car is now 10 years old - and still running fine! People are all different so there is no right or wrong in how you do things (as long as you’re not intentionally trying to hurt someone else). Material wealth has never been a priority of mine. If it was I would have probably gone into contract law for a very large and lucrative firm!
Amen Trisha.
this line up is fierce!!!
Dave (from Detroit)
How many threads are you going to post the same nonsense?
And where were you during the first ten games that the overrated Tigers played? You didn’t sow up like theTigers offense and pitching!
P I T C H I N G - Will be Detroit’s downfall, book it!
Wow, I underestimated the number of lawyers there are here. My son is going into economics, so I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a JD somewhere down the line.
Hey, did you guys see this?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3378829
I like that Girardi is trying to get everyone play time and he’s trying to set up good matchups but I think consistency might be helpful. The best lineup he can put out with the current injuries:
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Matsui DH
Giambi/Duncan 1B
Cabrera CF
Cano 2B
Molina C
Gonzalez/Ensberg 3B
Platoon Duncan and Giambi vs L and R, split time with Ensberg/Gonzalez depending on whos playing better. Everything else should stay steady, stop screwing around.
Funny you mention changing the world mel. My personal statement for Law School was related to a quote by Ben Franklin. He was asked after the Constitutional Convention what they had made. He said “A Republic, if you can keep it.” I want to be a lawyer as a means to uphold the Constitution and protect this fine country. If you don’t do what you love you’ll be miserable.
The questionable defense is going to kill the Yankees. It has been all year. Watch Seattle tonight. They can play D.
“I think the funny thing in all this is that it hasn’t been bad trades that have put the Yankees where they are, but bad signings.
It’s been Cashman’s lack of ability to asseess talent that has led the Yankees to a glut of ineffective players. Now Cashman is turning his less-than acute acumen toward developing young talent…Think about.”
How many of those bad signings were George Steinbrenner’s lack of ability to ‘asseess’ [sic] talent?
Cashman was GM in name only for a big chunk of those decisions.
I have to say, horrible law professors can squeeze the joy out of the world, however.
Especially when they take credit as having worked on nearly every important document ever…seriously, the professor I had apparently worked for the secretary general of the United Nations, wrote a pamphlet on how to solve global warming, and oh, by the way, his aunt or uncle is descended from the guy that discovered the south pole!
Hey V, thanks for calling me on my typo.
Cashman was responsible for plenty.
See y’all game time.
Wait…maybe Seattle’s defense if awful too. I take that back. They used to be good.
Just heard that about Marvin Harrison.
Just have to see what happens. They are still investigating.
Oops, another typo. V…help me out.
G. Love and Mr. Exceptional,
When the Yankees make the playoffs again this year do you two solemnly swear to never ever ever ever ever post your drivel here again?
Arroyo is not the answer. Patience is.
i’d like to see the cano benchings continue. he should be sitting for 3 in a row. sure, he’s enjoyed success for 2 or 3 seasons. its obvious his complacency is starting to catch up with him. time for a serious reality check. he’s got a long way to go and still has a lot to prove, whether he thinks so or not.
Arroyo is not the answer. Patience is.
Reading comprehension is a good thing! A good thing you do not possess!
raymagnetic ™ …you have my solemn promise. I hope and pray the Yankees make the playoffs, if they do great. I will never post again.
If they don’t…well I’ll probably never post again then either.
I’ve only had some time of recent to post. Come playoff time, I won’t have time to be posting.
The problem is, Damon is hurt and Cano is lost. Add to it the injuries to Arod and Posada and Giambi’s inability to play anymore, and it makes putting a lineup together a struggle.
G Love, Phil Hughes was the #1 starting pitching prospect in all of baseball.
Name me a GM in the last 6 years who has traded the #1 starting pitching prospect in the game? Teams don’t do it anymore.
The Diamondbacks and Mets didn’t even trade their #1 pitching prospects for Haren or Santana. You want to blame Cashman for not trading Hughes?
It would be GM malpractice if he traded Phil Hughes in the off-season.
He wasn’t “insanely overhyped” coming into the season. He was a guy everybody thought could get the job done.
He had a very good first start against the Blue Jays, after coming off a good September. He also had an excellent post-season outing and excellent spring. Since then he has struggled. It happens.
Nobody could have predicted he would struggle like he has after the way he pitched from September of last year to his first start against the Blue Jays. If they did, they sure as heck didn’t write it about in here.
If you want to argue he overvalued Kennedy, that’s reasonable.
But, what were his reasonable alternatives? The free agent market stunk this off-season. Signing overvalued guys to bad contracts just keeps the same vicious circle that has hurt the Yankees in recent years going. At some point, you have to stop doing business the wrong way. They decided this was the off-season to do so.
Trading Damon or Pavano? Nobody wanted those guys. Plus, Damon has a limited no trade clause which makes it tough to trade him.
Its easy to say, “he should eat the money” but, do we know how much money he was supposed to eat to make deals?
Without that information, wouldn’t you say its tough to say, “he blew it”?
What if he had to eat 75% of those contracts and would get non-prospects in return? Do you still think he should make those deals?
He’s not perfect. No GM is. But, to blame him for holding onto Hughes or not trading untradeable guys is unfair.
Let’s remember, one of the reasons they had to sign Damon was because they stayed too long with Bernie Williams and ignored developing players from within from 2000-2005.
What Cashman is trying to do now, and its a very difficult task, is not burden the franchise with more bad contracts, work in younger players, and win at the same time.
After this year, just about every bad Yankee contract is off the books. Giambi, Mussina, Farnworth, Pavano, and most likely Damon. That’s almost 60 million off the books.
That will give them the chance to better construct the team.
Its tough to do it when you are saddled with that kind of money on the books.
NFL player possibly a criminal? Who’d have thought?
SJ…who saddled them with those contracts?
Plus I don’t consider Mussina’s a bad contract. He’s been good for the Yankees for the most part.
Wang will shut down seattle to 1 or 2 through 7….the offense will step up and give him 6 runs…beautiful!
If the offense had performed how it was supposed, the kids would have probably won 4 or 5 instead of losing 7 like Cashman was expecting. a couple of blowouts early on would have allowed Franchise and IPK to have settled in without the massive pressure. Instead they get on the mound…no one can catch…no one can throw and they definately won’t be hitting…..just bitching about the cold!
Bedard is a tough lefty, but i like this lineup.
The Wanger will win # 6 Mo will get the save
Mussina was not a bad signing till last year.
SJ…who saddled them with those contracts?
Plus I don’t consider Mussina’s a bad contract. He’s been good for the Yankees for the most part.
Whats the point in assigning blame at this point. Tee Yankee brass have realized they screwed up in the past and are trying to fix the problems while still making the postseason.
Moose.. his first contract was ok, this one not so much. He signed a 2 year deal 23 million in November 2006. Last year (first year of the new deal) was not worth 11.5 mil. We’ll see how he does this year.
S.A.
Yeah, I’m not feeling non-buyer’s remorse, either. I think we’d be awfully flaky and lacking in vision if we reversed course and turned our backs on a studly 21-year old after 4 starts.
Damon is hurt ?? since when ??
only discovering Baseball and the Yanks in ‘02, I don’t have the same long established ideas and emotional relationships with players. Moose has been my favourite starter for 4yrs and never seemed to get the credit it looked to me that he deserved (that “not a true Yankee” Crap) last year he completely changed…i was nervous every time he pitched…always whining at umpires and sulking after poor defense (Arod). He looks to be acting much more like himself so far this season….without the fastball. lets hope he keps it up!!
Giambi wasn’t Cashman’s contract. That was all George. George is the guy that bid against himself in that contract.
Cashman had nothing to do with that one.
You can make an argument that the Giambi contract has done more damage to the Yankees than any contract they have done for a free agent. From a franchise embarrassment standpoint (steroids), a money standpoint, contract length standpoint, and roster management standpoint, that has been a nightmare contract and Cashman wasn’t the guy who did the deal.
I agree on Mike Mussina. I’m not a huge fan of his pitching style. But I will say, he has more than done his job in the two contracts he has signed with the Yankees. That was a solid signing.
Cashman wanted Vlad Guerrero. George wanted Sheffield. Cashman had Vlad in NYC, ready to sign a deal, when Sheffield wigged out on George (they were negotiating exclusively with each other) and wanted more money. Cashman tried his best to get George to move away from Sheffield and sign Vlad. George refused. Turns out, if they listened to Cashman, they would have been much better off.
Pavano? No question, he takes the hit on that.
Let’s remember though, everybody wanted Carl Pavano. Detroit and Seattle both offered more money. Curt Schilling personally recruited Pavano for the Red Sox. After losing Pavano, the Red Sox wasted 21 million on Matt Clement. Even Theo can make mistakes.
Farnsworth? No question, that was Cashman. But, he learned his lesson about bullpens after that. You can’t buy them. You build them in a different fashion.
Now, folks kill him for not making the same mistake again. They are mad he didn’t buy another bullpen. He signed Hawkins to a one year deal, rather than blowing 19 million on Scott Linebrink or 8 million on Dotel or Vizcaino.
By mid-season, several of the really good young bullpen arms will be ready to contribute to the Yankees. By not saddling the team with bullpen guys with bad contracts, they will be able to make that transition.
Like I said, he’s not perfect. He has made mistakes. But, he isn’t to blame for everything.
It was Cashman who came up with the idea to put Chamberlain in the bullpen last year. That saved the season.
It was Cashman who didn’t give up on Melky Cabrera, which saved them in 2006, and who pushed Cano and Wang onto the team in 2005. He was the guy who did the Small and Chacon deals. Those moves saved those seasons.
When you evaluate a guy, you have to look at the entire picture. Not just the deals you don’t like.
I don’t agree with everything he does. Overall though, given what he has to deal with in the job, and what he has in the pipeline now, he has done more good than bad.
Its not the Yankees, nor their fans, God given right to win the World Series every year OR go to the playoffs.
Its damn tough to do. Especially in the way the financial structure of the game is these days.
A very telling statistic about Giambi during last nights game:
Last year the Yankees were 42-41 or close to that WITH Giambi in the lineup. And something like 55-21 WITHOUT him in there.
Based on his performance this year at the plate and defensively he’s gotten worse than before (if that was even possible), I’m not sure why Ensberg and/or Duncan are not being played every night at this point.
Not to mention that you get to have a righty THREAT instead of a lefty OUT.
I don’t really see any positive that Giambi brings to this team ASIDE from a power threat off the bench as a pinch hitter.
Damon’s been hurt a while I think
now who can pitch the third game with Seattle?
I wouldn’t trade Phil Hughes EVEN UP for Johan right now. Hughes is 21 years old; let’s see what he’s giving us in five years and what Santana’s giving the Mets, because Hughes will be all of 25 by then.
Hughes - and this entire new philosophy of Cashman’s - is about the long-term investment; we’re building something, here. And since I’ve seen Hughes pitch quite a bit, before he was called up, I have enough information to have the confidence that he’ll be fine.
I’ll admit that sometimes I wish the Yankees were a small market team, so that every radio talk show idiot wasn’t weighing in about our young pitchers. It’d just be nice, if people intent on opening their mouths, had something informed to say, instead of regurgitating the same old hot air.
Rebecca, your professor story brought up a funny memory. I was reading an SI article about steroids and they brought up this old English bodybuilder who’s exiled from the states for being a major distributor. The writer asked him about the Mitchell Report. He said, “The guy who brought peace to Ireland?”
I’m cracking up in the ortho’s office and people are looking at me like I’m a loon. I am, but that’s besides the point.
If Damon is hurt, let’s DL him and bring up Gardner.
SJ,
I’m not saying that Hughes was overhyped and we should have dumped him. I saw him pitch lights out in the ALDS last year and believed some of the hype, but I still would have dealt him for Johan or Haren. But let’s forget about that.
However, I thought Joba was the #1 pitching prosepct in all of baseball above Hughes this off season, no?
Anyway, I think that the overhyped guys were the Horne’s and Marquez and Kennedy (to an extent) who were at the peaks of their value this off season.
They could have been dealt for players who could have helped at the major league level.
I remember reading how Beane especially was hot on Horne and Gardner and if the Yanks were willing to deal them he was interested. Could that have at least gotten the door opened on Haren? We’ll never know. Add Kennedy to Horne and Gardner and maybe Beane starts to really talk to us about a young accomplished starter.
And please don’t tell me he couldn’t deal Pavano before last season.
Colorado, St. Louis and Seattle were interested in the guy when he was “healthy” in spring training last season.
I’m not pulling that out of thin air, unless all the major media outlets pulled it out of thin air who reported on it. It was a story for awhile there and Cashman shut it down thinking Carl was healthy and ready to contribute.
I’m also not pulling out of thin air the Igawa debacle and how he could have gotten out from under him by letting SD claim him.
I also remember Cashman and Torre poo-poo’ing Ted Lilly (Torre didn’t like him) and essentially spending the same amount of money on Igawa who is in triple A right now.
As for going away if they make the playoffs? Eat me raymagnetic. I’m a fan of the team. I’m allowed to be upset when I see the organization make mistakes. That’s part of being a fan.
You don’t like it? You go away you little snot.
I have never booed a Yankee player in my life. My family has had season tickets for years now. Back into the 80’s.
I want the team to win because I love guys like Mo, Jeter, Posada, Arod and I want them to be given the chance to make up for the bad taste 2004 left in all of our mouths.
Cashman did not give them the best chance to do so out of the gate this off season. He did a bad job in my opinion.
Can he fix it? Yes. Will he fix it? We’ll see.
It’s just hard to hear about all these wonderful prospects who are going to be gangbusters in NY who are 3 years away.
As a fan, I want this season to mean something and see the team win.
This is a NY Yankee Blog. Not a Scranton/Trenton/Tampa blog. We’re in here to talk about the major league team. That’s what Pete reports on.
I like to read about the minor leaguers, but I also don’t believe that each and every one of them is a gum drop from the Gods of baseball.
G Love,
Interest and doing a deal are two different animals. Every team has interest in players. Unless you see the deal, you don’t if that interest is actual or fantasy.
You know the old saying, the devil is in the details.
When you look at what Beane got for Haren, there is no way the Yankees could have matched that prospect for prospect.
Being garbage for years helped the D’Backs. It enabled them to stockpile a lot of prospects and, to their credit, they used a bunch to get Haren.
That would have been a tough deal to pull off.
When you look at what Bill Smith did, he had no interest in trading Santana to either the Yankees or Red Sox unless one of those teams overpaid for him. That’s why both teams passed on him.
BTW, the Yankees called up Veras to take Hughes’spot on the roster today.
“So Bedard is good for at least 7 IP 1 ER against this lineup.”
If we’re lucky.
God damn I wish Giambi would get hurt.
Hey Veras is on the roster for tonight? I hadn’t heard that but I’m glad because Mo says nothing but big things about him.
Good, I like Veras.
And I do understand that AZ opened the vault for Haren. But I still think would have liked to know my GM went as far in on a pitcher of that caliber as could have.
As for Johan, I still think Cashman never wanted to make that deal and acted accordingly until prompted by Hank to get it done. It was his fault as much as Smith’s (and Theo’s) fault for how that turned out.
I don’t want him fired, but I want him to fix the mess he created. He’s got too much talent on this roster and in the minors for this to really be a rebuilding year.
So you guys think we’re going to lose tonight? Why bother watching?
Also, this offseason, Hughes wasn’t counted as a prospect.
I think all the blow is catching up to Giambi. Man that guy could party.
I just want to write Cy Wang
Please let’s hit Bedard tonight!!
Juan Miranda is on the DL, “shoulder” … lets be honest Juan Miranda DL’d (Wilson Betemit)
I still think about the dice-k and Santana stuff last season. If we got one of them, we could be a champion team. Now as Josh Backet back in shape and Clay pitch better than both Houghes and Ian, Boston is a tough rival to defeat this season.
How do you know he didn’t go the distance to try and get Haren? If you can’t match up, you can’t match up.
There are a lot of names on the roster. But, let’s be honest, there isn’t a lot of “talent” on the roster.
Giambi, Damon, and Mussina are names. Their games are not nearly as good as they used to be. You can say the same for Andy in some regard.
Not a lot of guys on the roster have their best baseball in front of them right now.
It also doesn’t help that the kid pitchers started poorly and Cano is hitting .150. Cano is killing them right now because they need him to step up with Arod and Posada out.
20% of the Opening Day Roster is on the DL.
The fact is, they are rebuilding/reloading, whatever you want to call it.
They are doing it because so many guys on the team are on the back 9 (some on the 18th hole) of their respective careers.
The difference is, Yankees fans don’t want to hear it. They just want to win.
So does Cashman. But, to win, some things have to break right (like good health) and right now, that’s not happening.
Fortunately, there is still a long way to go in the season.
Francis, is that Hugh (you)?
Did Hank take it upon himself to inquire about Santana? Because I don’t think Cashman would have put Hughes on the table to begin with.
I’m going to the game today. Wish me luck. I’m wearing my #34 jersey tonight. It’s a good thing people in my section are nice (and hopefully rational) people. And just in case, I already warned my friends to protect me.
Im out of here, have a good weekend all…hopefully we can get a couple of wins between now and Monday…its not going to be easy. hang out with you your wang out…stay cool, breeze
This is weird, I just saw Veras pitch last Sunday. I am very amused by this.
Mel, we watch because we hope. And because you never know when you’re going to see something historic!
Claggett’s been promoted to Trenton
SJ44 (4:55) good show.
I know that one can get tired of seeing a short; good show or your nuts. But I can’t improve on it, so be it. 27/08.
Haren’s caliber? Let’s not mix up Haren and Santana.
Haren is a nice pitcher, but not an ace. He benefited greatly from good defense and a large pitcher friendly ballpark. After the All-Star break, he had a 4.11, and a 4.39 in the final three months. He gives up a lot of home runs, just like Santana. He did not pitch in Fenway last year, but in 2006 he had an era of 9.00 in his one start. Haren’s value came from his low cost contract, not from being an ace. He is a good pitcher, but he is in an area just below Wang in terms of stuff.
Haren is doing well this year in a hitter friendly park, but is facing weaker lineups that are not familiar with him yet. He will do as he has done in the past: thrive early in the season, then be a good innings eater in the second half.
“Reading comprehension is a good thing! A good thing you do not possess!”
“Tee (The) Yankee brass have (has) realized (that) they screwed up in the past and are trying to fix the problems while still making the postseason.”
Grow up and keep it to baseball.
SJ,
I recall Cashman saying from the get go he was not interested in Haren because he knew Beane was going to ask him to back up the prospect truck.
And yes, I agree that a lot of the “talent” on the roster is at the 18th with only a putter left in the bag at the tee, but I still think with Jeter, Arod, Abreu, Cano, Melky, Posada, Wang, Pettitte, Joba and Mo there’s enough a core to get this team to the promised land.
To me, it seems, the Red Sox and the Angels have been doing it with far less than that.
Now that Arod and Posada are on the DL, it hurts, but I think we still have enough talent to weather it.
However, if the pitching staff can’t perform, it’s a moot point.
And yes, I expect the team to win every year. I’d hazard to guess most fans expect their team to win every year otherwise what’s the point?
I don’t know what it’s like to be a fan and say on opening day, “well, we’re gonna suck this year, but in 3 years watch out!”.
Brandon what do you prefer an overrated pitcher on your that will never amount to nothing who has allowed 800 walks this year or 7 homeruns?. Piece of crap.
Given a choice of which hurts this team the most, Jorge being out for a spell or Giambi clogging up a roster spot, it’s the Giambi choice …….. hands down.
When Jorge returns, he can make an impact. Giambi does nothing but hurt this team.
SJ, you’re a fairly knowledgeable guy, but I do have a problem at times with your preachy nature.
You’re coming off more as a Cashman apologist than anything. I’m quite aware that an individual needs to look at the whole picture not the just the deals they like. I’m also quite aware that it’s not a God given right to even make the playoffs…I’m nearly as old as you and was born in Bronx. I’m seen my fair share of misguided deals.
If Cashman didn’t have the amount of money he does at his disposal he would be regarded as a far worse GM than he is. His evaluating abilities, especially when it comes to pitching (and I’m not talking about the kids) are off. The problem is we can’t really compare him to anyone. There’s no other GM who has the resources at their disposal that he does. So essentially he’s in a bit of a vacuum. Now if there was a way to put a guy like Billy Beane in a similar situation, then we could have an honest comparison.
So Cashman has to be judged in a whole different light…perhaps a little harsher, but so be it. I’d be fine if the Yankees were losing but at least had a functional team on the field. A real first baseman, a flexible bench, some team defense. But this is just not the case. How do you have a team with the resources the Yankees have and not have a first baseman. Absurd.
I think Cashman should have traded Hughes for Santana. I said that then and still believe that now. Hughes was/is a great prospect. Whether he was #1 is certainly debatable, but that’s neither here nor there. I disagree with SJ44 that its a simple as saying you don’t trade a #1 pitching prospect. Teams with the #1 pitching prospect haven’t too often been in a position to acquire and sign to a long term contract the best starter in the majors under the age of 30. So saying how often that’s happened or hasn’t happened isn’t very useful. That said, I think Hughes is gonna turn out to be a good pitcher. Its just gonna take some time. People here (including ones who said at the time that they wouldn’t have done the deal) are too impatient. No one would have argued against trading hughes for santana if the time horizon was only a month. I also think a lot of my rationale for wanting Cashman to do the deal isn’t really there anymore. I doubted whether Wang was a true ace and thought they needed one. Wang certainly looks like one now. Outside of acquiring Santana, I can’t think of a move that I’d have wanted Cashman to make. I think that Miguel Cabrera deal could end looking as bad as the Giambi signing or perhaps worse down the road given that Detroit gave up big time prospects in addition to cash. I don’t think Haren is going to turn out to be a better pitcher in the long run than Hughes, and I pretty sure that it would have taken Hughes to get Haren. Bedard wasn’t going to the Yankees and I think the Orioles might have sold “high” on Bedard. He’s got great stuff but I have doubts on whether he’s going to have a long and healthy pitching career. Damon’s been one of the better Yankee hitters this year injured or not so I don’t know where we’d be if Cashman had traded him for prospects. Giambi was and is virtually untradeable. I also disagree with everyone who wants Giambi DFA’d or benched. I think Giradi should keep throwing him out at 1B. I really don’t see much to lose by giving him another month. He’s either going to find his stroke and become a much more valuable offensive player than Duncan or Ensberg or break down physically and give one of them a shot anyway. Its not like Duncan or Ensberg are that good options anyway. I heard the rumors that there were teams interested in Pavano last year too. But I tend to think that means a few teams would have taken him if NY was willing to eat his salary and take next to nothing back for him. You can bitch and moan because the yankee machine isn’t firing on all cylinders but frankly I’m encouraged by what i see. Wang looks like a true ace, the bullpen looks stronger and deeper than it has in years, and we are still in the thick of the race despite getting nothing from the #4 and #5 starters, while suffering through big injuries and slumps. The one thing we ought to be confident in is that we will play much better than we are down the road. There are too many good players on the team for that not to happen and the organization is too dedicated to fielding a winning team. Does anyone really think Cano isn’t going to turn things around? Hell even Jeter stinks right now. Last time I looked he had a lower OBP and OPS than Giambi. They’ll turn it around. We just need to be a little more patient.
G.love mad respect for you. I think you are the only smart Yankee fan on this blog, the brandon’s, sj’s don’t know crap history is history but please stop comparing Hughe to clement and other greats.
Is true, Clements, Martinez,Johan had bad first years but they still threw over 95 consistently. Look it up.
Hughe on the other hand looks to shaky. The Yankee have a history of overrating young players. What was the name of that kid that play football and every yankee fan was saying he was the next Ted Williams?…I can’t remember his name but I know he sucked and now he’s playing football.
Please Yankee fans open your eyes. Supporting your team doesn’t mean you can’t see what’s right in front of you.
Do the baseball-reference links work for anyone? They don’t for me. I have to manually set the filter to Mariners Vs. Yankees.
G. Love, appparenty you’re not a Nets or Jets fan…
Btw, what., it’s CLEMENS, not CLEMENT. Matt Clement is the Red Sox’ version of Pavano.
This is going to be a great game.
—— LATEST NEWS ——
mlb.com reports that Doctors found Hughes Eyes “slightly nearsighted” and he’ll need to wear glasses when he returns.
I just had this thought…We got Pavano…the Sox got Beckett
We got Johnson…they got Schilling…
We got Igawa…they got Dice-K and Okijima…
Why have we been getting the short end of the deal?
Listen I use to think sj44 was a knowledgeable guy but he has really let me down lately. Sj my father was a scout for 30 years I’ve been around baseball for my entire life. Trust me you are wrong 80% of the things you say.
You seek information from sites. IS good but is not always accurate.
So here is my point Hughe is consider to be a great pitcher but I think otherwise.
Look at all the great pitchers they have a great second pitch and please don’t say a curve ball there is a reason why pitcher rarely have above average curveball anymore. They don’t even try to throw because they’re easy to hang and you know the rest.
All the great pitcher at least today in age, have a great change up, slider, sinker and then complemented with a good fastball. Hughe has the fast but so does like 80 other guys I know. Who easy throw harder than him.
Learning a change up etc…..is not easy to do if hughe doesnt stop throwing curves he will never be a great pitcher.
Or not a fan of just about any other team there is….except maybe US Basketball (albeit faltering lately) or US Women’s Softball
Hughes is throwing 93-94 again, was doing it in the last three games or so. Santana’s fastball is 94. Santana’s out pitch is his changeup, not his fastball. Santana spent years in the bullpen getting himself straightened out. Santana really turned the corner in 2004 when his control improved dramatically, so he no longer just had to rely on simply changing speeds. He was never highly touted. Santana was a Rule V pick, but the Twins took a chance on him, worked with him in the bullpen, and now he’s an ace. Hughes is much further along now than Santana at a comparable age. Again, Hughes is not being overrated, he has good stuff comparable to a lot of other pitchers in baseball. The Yankees were not the only team scouting him.
Brian cashman—Santana is a lefty you dummy..a lefty throwing 94 is compare to a righty throwing 98mph. Obvious you do not know baseball.
THANK YOU, PETE….for the update. Let’s see if we can string together some WINS starting with tonight !
What - I can agree with parts of that, I’d write more but I’m using my phone. Yeah, a lot of the better pitchers throw sliders/sinkers etc. but you can’t say a plus curveball (which Hughes has) isn’t a great pitch and he’ll get an awful lot of big league hitters out with it
And SJ is one of the top 2 or 3 posters on here (at least)
Just updated with some medical info and other things.
Also, while some nitwits have claimed I’m making up the story of Girardi having issues with the media, Girardi himself has requested meetings with the beat writers because he realizes he has gone down the wrong path with us. I’m not going to talk about of school about what is being discussed. But I will say I give the guy credit for being proactive about the situation and taking steps to improve it. As I have said right along, he is a smart guy.
Of course, don’t let this change anybody’s mind that I have an agenda against him. That makes for better nonsensical columns and comments.
You would think an eye exam would be part of the physical given in ST, would you not?
Please…..HugheS with an ess (S) we don’t leave it off for savings
Girardi deseverves the benefit of the doubt, which Pete will, being a professional, grant him.
Posada’s injury sound like the one Wang had in his rookie season(2005). For the record, Wang ended up in the DL for two months.
bobby’s back!
Now that we know Hughes is nearsighted (how do you get to the big leagues w/o that being discovered??), maybe we can sign Willie Mays Hayes and call up Jake Taylor to catch !!
JoeT YANKEES LETS GO CY WANG-”but you can’t say a plus curveball (which Hughes has) isn’t a great pitch and he’ll get an awful lot of big league hitters out with it”
your right about that I do not disagree. He can be dominant at some point with better control. But my point is he will have to develop another pitch in order to live up to be “The “franchise”. I just can’t remember a cy young pitcher or at least an above average pitcher who only threw fastball and curve. Its just rare. I’m not saying he will be as bad as he is now, well am hoping he won’t. But he needs a third pitch.
so…
what are we all gonna be drinking tonight for the game..
Watching this team will drive a person to drink.
Thanks for the updates Peter.
Peter,
It’s funny…I felt he had issues with the media the first few times I watched the post-game…I thought it was pretty obvious actually…
That seemed unnecessarily harsh. I’m not sure there is a man alive who doesn’t know Santana is a lefty. But it still took him time to become an ace with his fastball/changeup combination.
S.A.-
Pepto Bismol
Phil, welcome to the world of eye-glass wearers!
Can we check Cano’s eyes?
PTI teased that Hughes injured himself coughing. But what do they know?
No wonder Hughes squints on the mound. He’s nearsighted! Daniel Cabrera had similar problems and was a different pitcher after they fixed it.
Why glasses? Contact lenses would be better for a pitcher. The peripherals are much better.
Mel
astigmatism one possible answer.
are you saying that the current daniel cabrera (9-18, 5.50era last year) is the different one?
lets hope that doesnt happen to hughes.
jimmy,
They have lenses for that, too. They’re expensive, but I think the Yankees can afford it!
G.Love -
I know I’m late to the party here (had to cook, serve and clean up after dinner), but, if Minnesota would have taken him, Kennedy would have been on the Twins right now. He was not untouchable. He was tradeable. As I saw it, though, teams did not want only Kennedy, but quite a few other of the Yankees prospects, including Hughes. I am of the opinion that the Yankees should not have, and glad that they did not, given up both of them. But Kennedy was not untouchable. Even Hughes was briefly offered for Santana in a package not including Kennedy, but the Twins got very greedy and got nothing.
I still remember when I first got my glasses (I’m near-sighted too).
It was like a whole new world…
yeah guys like bill love to trade youg studs for older guys but complain in yr. 3 how did the team make this trade when they have 4 yrs left on a joke contract like the contracts with; giambi, damon, etc.
everyone is an expert trading players they have never seen for sure things.
name 3 big pitching FA’s or trades that have worked out for the team doing it when they got a pitcher at 27 yrs or older?
Shilling had a 3 yr contract BTW so do not throw him in and they basicallly got him for free…
you will be searching all day for these good moves, they do not exist in this pro baseball maybe in 1960 but nowadays they do not exist……
Brian Cashman is watching-
It has been proven that you can “become” an ace “with his” fastball/changeup combination(Johan). My concern is that it hasn’t been proven that anyone can become an ace with a fastball/curve combination that Hughe posses.
PS- I know you know Santana is a lefty, but scout and hitters know a ball coming from the hands of a lefty is harder to read therefore, you can’t compare hughe 94 to santana 94. Because Santana has a large edge on hughe. Just look around and tell me how many lefty starter you see around the majors throwing 94+….won’t find many so that says alot. but,righties, you finds tons even out of baseball.
By the way I didn’t mean to offend you in any way.
stuart:
catfish hunter
jimmy key
david cone
roger clemens
(sorry that was 4)
david wells?
JMO,
Never mind. He still walks a lot of guys.
hmmm has made this point before but it bears repeating: We do not know what the proposed terms for a Santana deal actually were.
A lot of debate these days seems based on the presumption that the Twins would have accepted Hughes and perhaps some mid-level prospects for Santana. That seems absurd considering what the Mets eventually gave up for him.
Nearly every rumor about a Santana trade involved Melky going to Minnesota. Melky is one of the few members of the Yankees’ youth movement who is actually showing improvement. He could be a real asset to the team for years to come and we have no replacement for him save the breaking-down Damon. So if the Yankees move Melky as part of a Santana deal, we fill one gap only to create another.
Of course, if Melky had a slow start this year, people would just say “We should have traded Hughes and Melky for Santana and found someone else to play center.” It’s always that easy.
As for finding a 1B to replace Giambi, I really don’t think Cashman believes Giambi *should* be at first. The market for first basemen just plain sucks. Cashman tried to find cost-efficient replacements for Giambi (Wilson, Phillips, Mientkiewicz) and they were all terrible. Once he goes through the available options there’s nothing left to do but wait for someone to become available, and it’s too early for that.
Besides, the Yankees need to position themselves to make a run at Teixeira. Locking up some mediocrity at first prevents them from doing that.
And Mr. Exceptional, to say Cashman screwed up by failing to give the team a “flexible bench” doesn’t make sense. The bench is one of the team’s biggest strengths. The problem is the bench players have to play every day because so many starters are injured.
Mel, he probably likes the Edwar look.
i wanted the Yankees to contend this year so bad(in the beginning of the year I mean).
when I originally got glasses they were just to help me driving, and then I couldn’t see the blackboard in class, so now I wear them nearly all the time, but I don’t admit it.
I don’t wear contacts cos I don’t like the idea of sticking something in my eye. But I think i’ll eventually investigate Lasik. My mother ha it and it seemed to work.
Tonight, however, is just celebrating the grad school admission. Can leave the eyesight for another day.
Join the four-eyes club, Phil!
I think this is as good a time as any to suggest to Phil that he flip Nardi and Eiland off and go back to his old, NATURAL, mechanics. Well, obviously not flip them off, but you get the point.
“The bench is one of the team’s biggest strengths.”
ok
JMO as I said catfish hunters was in the 70′ he only won 2 cy youngs before he came to NY and by the end of his deal he stunk, jimmy key good pitcher ace no friggin way, cone same as key, and teams back then needed $$$$$$, today trades are not to get money, ame on clemens and wells and BTW clemens was like 36 when he came over here.
JMO you just provedd my point, there are no pitcher trades worth making in which the yanks would trade like 4 or 5 guys… look haren cost AZ 3 or 4 guys I think Eveland and others and he is valauble because the haren contract is like $6 mill a yr. a steal..
santana would have been a stupid trade and always will be a stupid trade regardless of the results, get back to me on this one in 4 yrs when santana still has $60 mill left on his deal.
Yankee fans are morons….
despite of all the injuries and inconsistent pitching….I still can’t believe we’re only 3 games back.
GO YANKS!
Congrats on grad school admission Rebecca!
I wanna get Lasik, but I need to my eyes to stabilize a bit more..I also need to save up the money for Lasik.
I have contacts now..very easy.
i was just answering the question you posed:
“name 3 big pitching FA’s or trades that have worked out for the team doing it when they got a pitcher at 27 yrs or older?
add kevin brown (marlins), kevin brown (padres), rick sutcliffe (cubs) randy johnson (mariners) randy johnson (dbacks) k schilling (dbacks)
Well, well, well. Phil is nearsighted! I remember before I got eyeglasses years ago, I used to squint or create tears and that would help me see. It helped for a long time - a year? 6 months? I don’t remember, but quite a while, until it didn’t help anymore. I remember first putting on eyeglasses and saying, “Oh, THAT’S what that looks like!”
So another silver lining in Phil going to the DL is that it will give him time to adapt to contact lenses (I assume that’s what he’ll wear).
I hope Kennedy can get enough worked on between now and that second scheduled start to actually make that start. He’ll have ample time to go over the tapes and work on anything that needs it. Plus, time out to regroup. Not a bad thing.
I guess it’s good news that Jorge is not in immediate need of surgery, but it sounds like when he comes back, there’s going to be a lot of testing of his arm.
I hope Veras does a good job while he’s up here.
I knew Joe Girardi was smarter than he has been letting on. Let’s hope for a detente and a new beginning.
Glad to hear detente could be at hand, Pete. In the words of a great philosopher, “If I can change, and yous can change — we all can change!” Then he started blathering about that annoying Adrian and his kid staying up past bedtime, but he had a point.
stuart—If this statistics are so true they why would the mets invest so much money in him. Or why is free agency still around..
Look is easy to discuss a topic when everyone just brings up all the negative. Investigate and compare the deal that have worked out with the deals that have gone wrong. And you will see that the deals that have worked out have a higher percentage.
You have to stop blaming these signings. They’re not the ones who are at fault is the team for not being able to evaluate them and pick the right ones.
Why signed Giamby and Manny?….gary sheffield and Vladimir Guerrero….and so on.
The yankees are pretty dumb when signing players and they have done yet another dumb decision by not trading for santana.
I’m not trying to denigrate Santana in anyway. A left handed pitcher has an advantage over a right handed pitcher in that his pitch will naturally bare in on a right handed hitter coming off the first base side of the mound, plus left handed pitcher “hides” the ball differently which prevents a hitter from having a good look. All I wanted to say was that it took Santana some time to harness the fastball changeup combination. Hughes can throw hard (certainly as hard a Wang), though he seems to be shying away from the slider that made him the darling of the Yankees. All I wanted to say was give Hughes some time.
And please dont say that manny is dumb yayayayaya….Giamby is the greatest guy but he sucks.
Jeremy,
Are you kidding me. The team had 3 catchers on it for a brief time. There’s no real first baseman, no one with speed off the bench, no defensive replacements. You’re not going to pinch hit for anyone in the regular lineup so at least put some good moveable parts on the bench. The Yankees went into the season with Molina (love him), Ensberg(3B), Betemit (3B), Duncan (1B-OF)…that’s not flexible.
Guys - If you want a metaphor for the Yanks this season, think of Bobby Murcer. He has a rotten disease. Yet he has gone about taking care of things in a very courageous way. I just saw him on YES. He could have folded it up and gone the negative route. But he didn’t. He’s seeing it through with courage.
If he can do it with what he’s facing, why can’t we root and look at the positives with a baseball team?
correction, randy johnson was 26 when the mariners got him. sorry
Eiland just said that IPK “got into patterns” with tigers hitters.
Translation: Moeller effed up
Rebecca -
I was MIA all day — where were you accepted? Fordham? I a so excited and happy for you. Congratulations!!!!!!!!!! I hope you’re planning a fun summer for yourself.
My eyes are soooooooo bad. Started out with nearsightedness. Then the astigmatism came along. The nearsightedness abated, but the astigamatism still worsens each year. Some dumb eye doctor told me that because my nearsightedness was so bad, I probably would not suffer from the farsightedness related to aging eyes. HAHAHAHAHAHA! Wrong. Like the dentist who told me I didn’t have wisdom teeth (HAHAHAHAHA). So now I have three maladies in my eyes, lasik is not an option, and oh, a fourth malady has been added — I am now on my third trial pair of contact lenses (which I’ve worn without a problem for many, many years), because of dry eye.
So, good luck to Phil!!!
brian cashman–Hughe is great and probability tells me he might be great. My point is the Yankees should have gotten Santana by trading for him. I don’t necessarily mean they should had to give up hughe to do so.
Joe from Long Island -
Isn’t that the truth? Bobby Murcer is an inspiration, and I’m not being corny. I’m so glad he’s back.
Let me confess that I have a habit of glazing over at any posts here that don’t seem to end, so I likely miss out on some nuggets. But I do read the beginnings of the very long ones to try to get a sense of at least where the poster may be coming from. It also amazes me that anyone can have that much to that they never have any condensed posts! Not one!!
Anyway:
“I still think about the dice-k and Santana stuff last season. If we got one of them, we could be a champion team.”
About Dice-K. Who knows what we would have gotten with Dice-K. We can’t know. But the fact remains we didn’t get him. I applauded Cashman for holding the financial line on that one. Talk about criticism if we had ever matched the Sux’ bidding fee - plus I don’t think anyone’s worth that kind of bidding fee.
About Santana. Who knows how Santana would be pitching right now if he was with the Yanks. But above and beyond that, one thing that has always made me shudder is how teams automatically scored on Bernie and on Damon. You don’t have a championship team when everyone who makes it to second base scores on a hit to center!
Santana = no Melky.
I don’t think so. Best trade Cashman ever made was the one he didn’t make for Santana.
JMO you are wrong Jimmy Key was in his mid 30 when the Yanks got him..
JMO you are mistaken again Randy Johnson was a trade from Montreal when he was young and fairli innefective to Seattle. Houston tried a Yankee on the big unit and traded carlos guillen, freddy garcia, and others for a 2 month rental.. you are just wrong signing old pitchers for long contract never work out.
the yanks signed a 32 Moose for 7 yrs and it was a decent contract and he was a ace stud when they got him.
I remember when I got glasses - I actually blamed the NY Times for making the print smaller, but it was my eyes!
Congratulations again Rebecca.
Just about ready for the game to start - Let’s go Yankees!
Nearsighted! Ha - that’s the problem. Boy that is good medical team down there. I broke a rib once and thought it was from skiing, maybe it was my eyesight.
Cash I’d watching - I’m with you, but Hughes cannot throw as hard as Cy Wang…. Wang can pop upper 90s when he let’s a fastball go
Joe from Long Island - perfect post!
Fran, wherever you are. I predict we win tonight. I don’t think the Ms are going to be that formidible at bat. I don’t predict that Yankees bats will all break out tonight so I don’t think this is going to be a high-scoring game for the Yanks.
Anyway, GO YANKS!
the mets did the santan trade becuase they had no choice…
without santana who is a very good pitcher they stink, they gave up far less then the yanks would have given up and there payroll is $70 mill or so less then the Yanks…
they are trying to do a george steinbrenner and those moves NEVER work out…
George; gimbi, sheff, a 40 yr old unit, etc…..
they are never good moves……
brian cashman–Hughe is great and probability tells me he might be great. My point is the Yankees should have gotten Santana by trading for him. I don’t necessarily mean they should had to give up hughe to do so.
you know is crazy that hughe control was good last year and he was in Yankees fans great in my eyes overrated.
And so much is made up of santana giving so many home runs. But Hughe gave up 8 homeruns last year in 72 innings thats a lot.
He has giving up 2 this year in 22 innings but he has 24 walks so imagine if he would had great control.
Bobby Murcer is back in the booth, and that’s all that matters.
Couple of challenges:
1) What are the win/loss records for each starting catcher this season?
2) Who wins the series between the leaders of the division, the Sox & the Rays?
stuart—they’re not good moves when the Yankees make them. Why does it always seem to workout for boston.
Maybe because they’re team is run better….just maybe….watta ya think there buddy?
stuart–relax you know nothing about this. let the real knowledgeable people speak. You can talk when brandon and sj get here.
Has anyone thought that the poor eyesight may have led to bad body mechanics? If you are not seeing the signs/target you can throw your whole body off over compensating for it. Good luck Phil-glasses are sexy too!Tell us how you feel on your blog.
Sorry, that’s Yankee starting catchers.
And who’s this Hughe person?
“The team had 3 catchers on it for a brief time.”
Which is certainly crazy, but also purely a byproduct of Posada’s injury and uncertain status, not because Cashman screwed up building the team.
You say you love Molina, so that’s good. No one even remembers who Cashman traded for Molina.
Betemit can play multiple infield positions, not just third. Gonzalez essentially provides the same flexibility.
First base remains a glaring weakness and Duncan doesn’t fix it. But aside from a better defender at first, what other moveable parts do we need?
P.S. All posters here who were so indignant about Stewart and so dismissive of him, it pays to know what you’re talking about. Looks like it was Hughes inability to see that screwed them up, not Stewart’s inability to catch!
Amazing how quickly people knee jerk to the wrong conclusion but do it with the vehemence and self righteousness of someone who is absolutely correct!
We have wild cards other teams don’t. We will probably look very different after the All-Star break, and that is by design. The Yankees know what they are doing.
bodhisattva-’The Yankees know what they are doing.’
Yeah yankees sure do…have a great game people. Enjoy yet another yankees lost good night.
Trisha –
I’ll agree that some of the criticism was of Stewart was over the top, but not all of it; plus, he was the new variable - it’s understandable that people would think it was his problem.
Santana is a great pitcher, an asset to any team, so I would never disagree with that statement. If it was possible, NY would certainly pull the trigger, but there might be alternatives coming in the future.
Trisha - I am with you, The M’s do not have a potent offense. Let’s think positive. The Yanks wil win tonight.
“name 3 big pitching FA’s or trades that have worked out for the team doing it when they got a pitcher at 27 yrs or older?
am i reading this wrong?
i named 10, 9 who pitched thier teams into the WS. id say that’s ‘working out’