Game 34: Indians at Yankees
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- May
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YANKEES
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Matsui DH
Giambi 1B
Cabrera CF
Cano 2B
Betemit 3B
Molina C
Pettitte LHP
Andy Pettitte vs. the Cleveland hitters.
Fausto Carmona vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: As you can see by the lineup, Wilson Betemit has been activated off the DL. No word yet on the move to clear a spot but I wouldn’t imagine this is good news for Alberto Gonzalez. … Contrary to reports on the radio yesterday, Kei Igawa has not been called up. At least not yet. … Bobby Abreu is 9 of his last 16 with five RBI. … Derek Jeter is 9 of his last 18 with six runs scored. … Johnny Damon is 14 of 34, raising his average from .244 to .295. … Hideki Matsui is riding a 14-game hitting streak. … Then there’s Jason Giambi (1 for his last 21). But he has somehow managed to drive in four runs during those seven games.
UPDATE, 5:49 p.m.: Alberto Gonzalez was just optioned to Scranton. “That was a tough one,” Joe Girardi said after breaking the news to the Attorney General. “He didn’t do anything wrong.”
Spoke to A-Rod before. He is going to start doing some baseball stuff tomorrow for the first time since he went on the disabled list. “I’m encouraged. (His quad) feels much better,” he said.
The tentative plan is for Alex to workout in Tampa starting on Thursday and perhaps play rehab games next Monday and Tuesday. He hopes to be activated a week from tomorrow.
But Girardi said that this time, A-Rod will get an extra day once he declares that he’s ready to play. They don’t want to take any chances.
UPDATE, 5:56 p.m.: Kyle Farnsworth had his hearing with Bob Watson today. No word yet on whether he will have his suspension reduced. A decision should come down within a day or two.
UPDATE, 6:00 p.m.: The rotation for the rest of this week:
Today: Pettitte
Tomorrow: Wang
Thursday: Mussina
Friday: Igawa (”We’re 99 percent sure,” Girardi said.)
Saturday: Rasner
Sunday: Pettitte
UPDATE, 6:08 p.m.: Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo and offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride were on the field for BP and talked with Joe Girardi.
Spagnuolo is from Massachusetts and was a coach at UMass-Amherst when I was there. While I may still be stinging from the Patriots losing to the Giants in the Super Bowl (OK, I’m still furious), I wanted to congratulate Spags because he’s a good guy who has logged a lot of miles in his business.
We had a nice talk and he admitted the Giants were totally lucky and it was a fluke they beat the greatest team in league history. OK, maybe that part isn’t true. But we did have a nice talk and I am happy for him.
UPDATE, 7:22 p.m.: Matsui has now hit in 15 straight games, a personal record for him.
UPDATE, 7:47 p.m.: Ian Kennedy has a perfect game through four innings for Scranton tonight. He has struck out three. 48 pitches/31 strikes.
The Yankees are playing Charlotte.
UPDATE, 8:08 p.m.: Ian Kennedy is perfect through five innings in Scranton. Isn’t that something?
UPDATE, 8:23 p.m.: Kennedy allowed a hit in the sixth. He still has a shutout. Good for him, hopefully he’ll get himself together. Now keep in mind that he has to stay there for 10 days unless he replaces somebody put on the disabled list.
Meanwhile, some guy wearing Jason Giambi’s uniform just crushed an opposite field RBI double to the gap in left.
UPDATE, 8:52 p.m.: Ian Kennedy is done in Scranton: 7.1 1 0 0 0 8. 90 pitches/58 strikes. He also hit a batter. Rafael Chavez is clearly a genius.
Meanwhile, the Yankees need six more outs out of Pettitte unless you trust Farnsworth with the seventh inning.
UPDATE, 10:24 p.m.: Wow, stunning result here. Joba had not allowed a run in the Stadium in his career, 15 innings over 12 games in the regular season. Now the Yankees are 4.5 out of first.
They’ve scored three or less runs 14 times in 34 games. But this one is on Joba. Baseball’s law of averages was bound to catch up with him eventually. Nobody goes through their career with an ERA of 0.74. Walks will get you every time.
Back later with some reaction.
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Good ol’ Cabo at 2B. Maybe a name change will help end his slump
Hopefully the day off didn’t cool off the bats of the top of the line up.
I also will be very interested to see if Betemit gets moved over to 1st late in games so the overall D gets somewhat better.
Hopefully this is just temporary, till Wilson gets traded. I’ll be very sad if Alberto was sent down.
What was up with WCBS saying this morning that Igawa had been called up? As the Yankees’ station you’d think they could get this stuff right, but I find that the best you can hope for is that they correctly identify the winning team from the previous day’s game.
Betamit- i’m not sold on that being a good idea…
Betemit should change his “coming to bat” song from pearl jams’ cant find a better man, to Beck’s I’m a loser baby.
Someone get him some pink eye stat
Unfortunately looking at those number albeit a small sample size Carmona is not the pitcher for Giambi and Cano to face to come out of their slumps
Giambi…urgh
This is not a very good lineup..I’d rather have Gonzo stay and Wilson B stay in AAA.
ill be very upset if betemit replaced alberto. although they may have sent down one of our 9 relievers. The yankees have shown they dont realy want to play him at SS or 2B. so if alberto is gonE, once arod comes back we have 5 corner infielders and no viable back up middle infielders.
ugh i’m so sick of betemit, i would much rather gonzalez who not only is a good fielder but has a good eye and makes contact with the ball, something betemit has been lacking
Luke –
Betemit can’t stay in AAA forever… he can only go on a rehab assignment for some maximum amount of games (and he doesn’t have any minor league options left)
They’ll have to make another move at the end of the week for another starter. Hopefully Wilson will be gone by than.
I’d rather see Gonzo than Betemit but maybe Wilson will prove me wrong.
Who is this Cabo guy? Some rookie from Mexico?
During Betemit’s rehab in AAA, he only played either DH or 1B. Now in his 1st game back they have him at 3rd. You would think that if they wanted him to play 3rd, the Yanks would have allowed him to play some 3B while on rehab.
Or they did not want to mess with the small groove that E. Duncan has been in.
Who knows anymore.
I think Pete’s dreaming of a vacation — Cabo San Lucas anyone?
Is Wilson well enough to trade him to Pittsburgh?
I’d be curious if Joe was ‘ordered’ to wilson in the lineup. We’ll never know. But I would guess that.
Kay is killing Joe T for calling Joe’s players.
Hey Pete, is Alex making any progress?
so take Giambi not GONZO
They’ll probably send down Britton for Betemit. At least until Saturday when the next starter is called up.
Betemit rhymes with can’t get a hit.
Michael Kay wants the Yankees to protest to MLB about Joe Torre calling Posada.
If you are ever searching for another reason why Kay is a moron, reference this.
They aren’t DFA’ing Betemit. He could be prove valuable if Giambi continues his slide. He could end up platooning at first with Duncan. He played first at Scranton during his rehab assignments.
If that doesn’t happen, he could be a trade chip for another arm.
Gonzalez has options remaining. Betemit does not. At some point, Gonzalez has to play to continue his development.
The good news is, the Yankees now know he can play in the majors. They were probably unsure of that until his fine play since he was recalled.
They also have a glut of relief pitchers. You have to think one of them will go down when they call up Igawa.
From NJ.com:
“Andy Pettitte has not beaten the Cleveland Indians at Yankee Stadium since June16, 1996.”
This is one of the things I that really makes me tick about Michael Kay. The things he says on his radio show day in and day out are things he would never say about the team, its players etc on the YES broadcast at night.
If you are going to go negative on the team, its players, management etc you need to be consistent and do it for both the places that pay you your money.
Pete- what did you hear from giambi about pulling up his pants and wearing socks till the knees?JUst like A-rod does. i read somewhere that he did it for good luck! just like a-rod did last year. Just wanted to know if its a true story!
Nobody is ordering Girardi to play Betemit.
Ensberg has struggled with the bat lately and Betemit gives them another LH bat in the lineup against Carmona. Its as simple as that.
I wonder what is brewing – trade-wise – for Cash and the Yankees. Starting Betemit might indicate that he could be part of a deal (after all, how many 3B do you need?). Face it, any team who might be interested in him would demand to know if he was over his eye problem and could hit ML pitching. If he does that, 1)it helps us, obviously, and 2)it makes him more marketable.
Because I can’t see that AG did anything to warrant a demotion, other than have options, and if they were going to trade him, they would have done that without having to send him down.
Or I could thinking too much.
I’ll plan that day to be a fishing day, off somewhere in the mountains where there is no radio or cell service.
Kei Igawa will start a weekend game in Detroit
al arodian –
NJ.com has it:
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2008/05/slump_wears_on_giambi.html
“Michael Kay wants the Yankees to protest to MLB about Joe Torre calling Posada.”
wouldn’t this be tampering ? I’ve never heard of a coach calling his former players, I could see why the Yankees wouldn’t like this, I mean what is being talked about, what are you trying to do ? players get recruited in alot of ways, I wouldn’t want a former coach calling my players. The Knicks did it to Pat Riley and Jeff Van Gundy, the Giants did it to Jim Fassell. I agree w/ cabezon on this one.
Did you hear what Kay said about Joe? Buck sent letters of congrats after every WS win, and Joe didn’t acknowlege them. Very nice.
He also made the point that if Buck called up his players he would have hit the roof. Yet he is doing it to Joe’s players.
It would be a plus if Betemit gets hot. Maybe now his “new eyes” will get him going.
thanks Rishi
Rishi: Seriously? That’s a little depressing, though you have to consider he probably didn’t pitch in that series every year and he had two in Houston.
Gayle: Agreed.
“Brandon (supporting “Alex being Alex”) (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 6th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
“Michael Kay wants the Yankees to protest to MLB about Joe Torre calling Posada.â€
wouldn’t this be tampering ? I’ve never heard of a coach calling his former players, I could see why the Yankees wouldn’t like this, I mean what is being talked about, what are you trying to do ? players get recruited in alot of ways, I wouldn’t want a former coach calling my players. The Knicks did it to Pat Riley and Jeff Van Gundy, the Giants did it to Jim Fassell. I agree w/ cabezon on this one.”
What’s the big deal that he called him? Kay’s anti-Torre mentality is really getting over the top.
I think we should get Pete and Kay together in the ring to resolve this once and for all.
What’s the big deal that he called him? Kay’s anti-Torre mentality is really getting over the top.
Gayle – I totally agree – was talking about it to the guys sitting next to me at the game when Michael Kay changed the countdown thing.
If you listen to the postgame, the Joe Girardi show and his radio show he is saying three completely different things! We are a little too smart to fall for that stuff!
I keep hoping their decision to play Giambi, now Betemit and possibly Kei Igawa this weekend is just part of a grand scheme to let them have a few good outings to get them traded. I’m gonna keep believing that because the alternative would make me mad.
Now yhis is insane mikael kay is as stupid as it gets! torre shouldnt be alowed to speak to his former players???!!!! Gimmi a break are we in russia or romania??!! what will happen if he spoke ?! Possada wont hit any more?! Stop with these horse blank!
Betemit, uggh…. Sorry gonzo.
“This is one of the things I that really makes me tick about Michael Kay. The things he says on his radio show day in and day out are things he would never say about the team, its players etc on the YES broadcast at night. ”
he’ll mention it on the air tonight. he may not be as animated about his disapproval of it, but he’ll bring it up and probably ask an opinion of whomever’s in the booth with him. just wait
Gayle, Kay has always done that. He’s literally a YESman when he’s on TV.
Let me see who I should believe…Jeter, Posada, Mo and legions of other ballplayers who love Torre and believe him to be a good man or Michael Kay who’s never hit a baseball in all his life.
and people wonder why the 2 dopes on the FAN do so well against him in the ratings.
Mikael kay is a torre , mussina , and jeter hater!
“What’s the big deal that he called him? Kay’s anti-Torre mentality is really getting over the top.”
he’s an employee of another MLB team, like the players, you wouldn’t want a former employee talking to your workers, while he’s working in another competitive branch. What if NYY and LAD meet in the WS, you can’t have that and these talks effect your players, he’s not the manager here anymore, this isn’t that type of thing where you can have access to what you use to have. I don’t see why he’s doing it, nd if he is he clearly is too emotionally attached.
Oh and you can say what’s the big deal but point is you don’t know what they are talking about and if your were thier current employer it wouldn’t fall well w/ you. Take the the name Torre away, say Willie Randolph or Mike Soscia talked to Jose Molina would you like it ?
Drew: YES cuts his paycheck, right?
Scorpio – I’m sure Michael Kay once used a baseball to represent a planet in a model of the solar system at the science fair.
“Take the the name Torre away, say Willie Randolph or Mike Soscia talked to Jose Molina would you like it ?”
I wouldn’t care. Is Torre asking for state secrets or asking Posada to demand a trade to the Dodgers? Players from opposing teams go out to dinner together all the time during the season and coaches from opposing teams do too.
I’m sure employees of Microsoft speak with employees of Google without being called into security.
If Torre was calling a player trying to get him to come to the Dodgers, that’s tampering.
If he is calling a player to wish him well or ask how he is feeling, that’s not tampering.
Its called being a human being.
I don’t see it as a big deal. He certainly isn’t undermining Girardi in any way.
But, its talk radio and they need something to talk about.
Its why sports talk radio truly is a cancer in sports today.
not at all brandon! what bad could happen?! you relly think that he is calling him to steel some signs?! come on! lighten up a lit!
cashman is really starting to piss me off with this betemit garbage. yeah, let’s call up a dude with marginal defense and a .150 batting average, and send down the dude with a great glove and a better batting average. that makes sense.
Rebecca, what’s that got to do with it? So because he works for YES he can’t be honest with his opinion about a player, coach, or manager?
Kay wants the Yankees to get all up in arms with the MLB because their ex-manager called one of his friends and former players? Geez, what is the world coming to?
Hopefully Cabo does a good job down there at second. He must be some prospect to be in the majors this soon. I haven’t even heard of him.
Betemit at third? Hm…I’ll take average defense and a hit, if possible.
As Brandon said, Joe is clearly still emotionally connected to this team and his players. What I don’t get is why he felt the need to share this. Jorge didn’t say anything. It was Joe.
Kay is an idiot, that I admit but this thing of calling former players during a season you mean to tell me no one has a problem with this ?
Jennifer, what’s the difference if he shared it? Jorge is like a son to the guy.
There’s a bevy of deals that could be made with Pittsburgh. They have some guys the Yanks could use whether it be relievers, starters or infielders.
MERITOCRACY !!! Francessa brings up the meritocracy again and he wants to trade Jackson for a useful veteran pitcher…. NO
In the best case scenario, Betemit is being showcased. Gonzo has shown that he can cover 3rd, SS, and 2nd base when called upon. Shelley can cover 1st base.
Keep the fingers crossed that Betemit shows just enough to garner interest.
“Kay is an idiot, that I admit but this thing of calling former players during a season you mean to tell me no one has a problem with this ?”
Not at all. Again, unless he’s doing something devious what’s the difference.
I’m glad that Betemit’s eyes are better. Having something in your eye for an extended period of time is never pleasant.
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Totally off topic, but Hollinger (I know, ugh) is a big believer in point differential in the NBA, but I think some of it applies to baseball and run differential (which is why I was 99% sure we’d make the playoffs last year-because there was no way that Seattle could continue their pace with a negative run-differential)
He had this to say today about basketball:
“It’s a fallacy that the good teams win the close games; the good teams win by 20. The lucky teams win the close games. There is no team in history that’s been able to defy the correlation between scoring margin and wins over an extended period.”
Of course, baseball’s even more predicated by luck, but I thought that was kind of interesting seeing that Boston’s been able to win a lot of close games with clutch hitting.
Right now, we’re at a robust +3. Going to have do something about that if we’re going to make a move (only Oakland and Tampa are ahead of us in the WC, moving on up!)
Meritocracy? huh? Which Jackson, Austin? Thankfully no one in the front office takes advice from Fatcesca.
Rob NY what is that FATA.. chirping about now ?
He actually said the Yankees “should declare war on Torre”
am I the only one who heard that?
CABO WABO!!!
I wonder if anyone would have a problem with Bowa calling Cano? What if they had a talk and he started turning it around.
Like SJ said, tampering is one thing, but giving a pat on the back to old friend are another.
I guess Kay never went to an old mentor for advise.
first of all if its a problem torre wouldnt tell us that he spoke! 2nd of all tell me what problem could happen!
“Kay is an idiot, that I admit but this thing of calling former players during a season you mean to tell me no one has a problem with this ?â€
If Torre called Posada up to say that he should ask for a way out of his contract and get down to LA, then I’d have a problem with it. That probably wasn’t what the conversation was about, considering they’ve got the best young catcher in the game with Russell Martin.
Torre probably called Posada to check on him and to see how he was feeling. I mean, come on, if you’d been connected with someone for over 10 years and for the first time something bad has happened to them, you wouldn’t call up to check on them to see if they’re okay?
I’ve got no problem with former skippers calling up players to wish them well or to check up on them.
So why do you all listen to Francesca and Kay? I mean, if they’re really as bad as you say, I much prefer to play some good music instead.
“I’m sure employees of Microsoft speak with employees of Google without being called into security.”
Having worked at Google and hung out with MS employees while there, I can truthfully say no one cares at all. There’s stuff that’s confidential, but they don’t want you to talk to ANYONE about that. Doesn’t matter who it is.
Torre calling an active player on numerous occasions may be distracting bordering on interference. But I’ve got no problem with Torre calling to give Posada support if he’s inactive. Severing the ties must cut deeper than any of us could know. Frankly, I think the players would be insulted if Torre didn’t reach out to offer support.
Brandon –
If Posada was going to be a free agent then it might be an issue but Torre coached Posada for just about his entire career. Torre isn’t even in the AL.
It is just hard to see any bad motivation for the call or any possible damage that could be done by the call.
Steph if that is the reason why then I can’t get up in arms on this. I don’t have the radio stream on my internet connected so IDK what Kay said or Fatcessa on the FAN
Rebecca, I generally catch some of either of them on the way home and then turn it off when I’ve reached my limit.
My real issue with Kay is that he’s using his radio program to take care of a personal agenda. Clearly, Torre dissed Kay in some way during his tenure with the Yankees. As soon as Torre left, Kay went into a diatribe for days about how Torre was not what the public thought, and ripped him for not taking the 1 year deal.
So Torre didn’t call A Rod when he went on the DL? Guess that tells you what Torre thinks of Jorge vs. A Rod.
He actually said the Yankees “should declare war on Torreâ€
am I the only one who heard that?
He really said that? Boy, there’s a headliner. Which players are going to be armed? I’m sure glad the Yanks have Duncan, Farnsworth, and Chamberlain.
“Of course, baseball’s even more predicated by luck, but I thought that was kind of interesting seeing that Boston’s been able to win a lot of close games with clutch hitting.”
Wasn’t it just like…three games? It’s just they happened to happen last week against teams with bad bullpens.
The 07 D-backs are a much more interesting counter-example.
Francesa asking Heyman “will the Yankees deal big prospects for a veteran pitcher?”
So Mike’s looking for a number 3,4 starter for Jackson and McCutchen. SMH
So Torre didn’t call A Rod when he went on the DL? Guess that tells you what Torre thinks of Jorge vs. A Rod.
Maybe Torre doesn’t publicly announce every single phone call he makes.
“So why do you all listen to Francesca and Kay? I mean, if they’re really as bad as you say, I much prefer to play some good music instead.”
amen!
from previous thread on pitching auditions and Igawa:
If all we hope for from Igawa now is for him to eat innings, he’s not the best Japanese import for the job:
http://tinyurl.com/2fqgzt
“That probably wasn’t what the conversation was about, considering they’ve got the best young catcher in the game with Russell Martin.”
Geovany Soto begs to differ
(ROY candidate if I ever saw one).
Rebecca-
Good idea – what are the kids listening to these days?
Ever hear of Regina Spektor? she’s pretty cool
“So Torre didn’t call A Rod when he went on the DL? Guess that tells you what Torre thinks of Jorge vs. A Rod.”
He’s knows Jorge since he came up, and they were together 12 years. He and ARod warmed up to each other last year, but there’s just no comparison. Also, Jorge is MUCH more emotional than Alex. You know Jorge would take the DL stint harder, especially since he was gimping along for a month beforehand.
Will Giambi be able to get around on a Fausto Carmona fastball ?
“Francesa asking Heyman “will the Yankees deal big prospects for a veteran pitcher?â€
So Mike’s looking for a number 3,4 starter for Jackson and McCutchen. SMH”
STUPID USELESS WASTE OF A FATMAN
“Francesa asking Heyman “will the Yankees deal big prospects for a veteran pitcher?â€
So Mike’s looking for a number 3,4 starter for Jackson and McCutchen. SMH”
Who the hell is dealing a #3 starter right now?
First of all, Posada just signed a 5-year (4? or 5?) contract with the Yankees. He’s not going anywhere. If a friend can’t call a friend to inquire as to his health, then something is seriously wrong. Andy has often said that Torre was (is?) like a second father to him. So, they’re not supposed to talk. I would highly doubt that you are talking about regular weekly phone conversations here. Which, I do believe the managers (Joe & Joe) may be engaging in.
It’s a non-issue.
“Will Giambi be able to get around on a Fausto Carmona fastball ?”
I’d rather see him let it come to him and smack it to left or center. Cano too. They both need to take those pitches on the outside part of the plate and hit them to left.
Soto looks like he’s going to be a great catcher. I’ve just seen Martin longer and see him play on a near-daily basis out here in California when I turn on the Dodger games…and since he’s been in the league longer, I’m going with him as the best catcher for now.
Soto probably will win the NL ROY award by a landslide if he keeps up the work he has done so far. I’d take 6 homers and 24 RBIs from anyone on this team right now…
V: Agreed about Soto. He is something really special.
Jimmy: I listen to a lot of alternative rock bands and medieval folk music.
Yeah, I know. I’m weird.
“Which, I do believe the managers (Joe & Joe) may be engaging in.”
Right! I forgot about that. Joe G and Joe T have spoken on the phone a number of times since the season started. Why would he care if Joe T calls some of his old friends on the team when they’re going through tough times?
I’m still laughing at the thought of Kay saying the Yankees should declare war on Torre. LMAO. The man is nuts.
And he can deny it all he wants, but he clearly favors the Yankees over the Mets on his radio show.
Cabo??? Great vacation spot!
Hopefully Cano will come back from there soon and start hitting the cover off the ball again!
Haha just kidding Pete!
Somebody should ask Kay, if David Cone left YES to go to SNY and then do a show on WFAN would he stop talking to him?
whozat,
Absolutely great counter-example. And this year’s D-backs squad supports Hollinger’s theory.
Rebecca Haven’t you heard??
weird is the new cool
BTW to all involved – the whole Martin Luther dialogue from the other night was GOLD
John C -
Whozat -
I’m thinking that facing a pitcher like Carmona might actually get Giambi and/or Cano/Cabo to really, really, really focus. What say you?
Facing Carmona will only serve to deepen the funk that both Cano and Giambi are in.
Kay has two different jobs. Play by Play guy for the Yankees and a radio talk show host.
As a radio talk show host, his job (in caller driven sports talk radio) is to get the phones cooking.
He’s not talented enough, nor are his sidekicks, to do 4 hours of sports talk daily on interesting topics.
What better way to get the phones cooking than to say something stupid? Such as the Torre stuff today.
We hear similar stupid stuff with Mike and The Mad Dog every day.
As the PBP guy of the Yankees, Kay has to adhere to the YES guidelines. That is basically, to provide an infomerical like atmosphere in promoting the Yankees.
In one job, he can take shots at players (radio talk show host).
In the other, he can’t. (Yankee PBP guy).
He’s a marginally talented guy who has the good fortune of being well liked by the people who matter with the Yankees.
That’s given him the street cred for his radio show.
Still can’t make a dent in the ratings. But, he has the show just the same.
I actually liked Kay as a play-by-play radio guy. Wish he had stayed in that position.
Not trying to nitpick a typo error, just making a joke of course…
But:
Is that ‘Cabo’ Wabo at 2B tonight?
I’m starting to think a stumbling drunk would have better luck in the batter’s box right now than Robbie Cano…
BUT, I guess if you believe all the rumors, Cano is staggering drunk after every game every night…
SJ–
totally agree with you he has to serve 2 masters thus why he takes 2 different approaches. The problem with that however is he then has little to no credibility in either job as if you believe something then you need to be consistent.
It is why amongst other things i stopped listening to his radio show as he would say one thing to please the Yankees and YES brass the night before and be totally different on the radio the next day.
From Filip Bondy’s column today, “Life’s a pitch for kids, Cash and Yankees”.
Slays Brian Cashman…
“Despite all the solid moves Cashman has made over the years involving position players, he has done nothing to convince anybody that he knows much about starting pitching.
His resume is littered with mistakes on this front, from Jeff Weaver to Kevin Brown to Carl Pavano. This is not an uncommon affliction among major league executives, because the rotation is a mysterious and nuanced thing. It is far easier to predict the near and distant futures of position players, and even those of closers, than those of starters.
But over a long period of time, patterns of organizational success and failure emerge and they determine whether a team wins its share of titles. During this millennium, the Yankees are chronic losers on this front.
Picking from the same talent pool and with similar resources, the Red Sox somehow acquired the better ex-Marlin (Josh Beckett vs. Pavano), the better ex-Diamondback (Curt Schilling vs. Randy Johnson) and the better ex-Japanese star (Daisuke Matsuzaka vs. Kei Igawa).
And, over recent seasons, the Chicago White Sox won a title on arms from the Yankees’ discard pile.”
Wow… Basically says Cashman knows nothing about starting pitching!
jimmy: S that explains why people actually read my blog!
Fatso & Fruitloops are in prime form today. They must have had some Red Sux juice with Steve Phillips this morning. Boston can’t do anything wrong. Ready to run away with things.
bronxbomber77– anti-anti-Girardi media –
And yet somehow we are in the playoffs every year. It is just years and year of dumb luck of course
Putting together a pitching staff is the hardest thing in baseball. That being said Cashman has done an awful job putting a bullpen together year after year.
As for the names Bondy mentioned, we really didn’t have the minor leaguers to acquire Beckett. The Yankees didn’t do their research on Pavano though. His pitching style wasn’t a good fit for the AL.
The Yankees were smart not to overbid for Dice-K. THey should never have bid on Igawa.
As much as a pain the Big Unit was, I am SOOO glad Schilling was never a Yankee.
Do some people really not understand how much players, managers, etc. from other teams talk to each other during the season? It is a complete non-issue, and even more so when it is a former manager of a veteran guy going on the DL for the first time ever, about which he was reportedly pretty upset.
Players make connections through their time in the game. Face it- some Yankees and Red Sox, Mets and Phillies (pick your rivalry) are actually friends. Oh, the horror!
Being that the current roster has 12 position players and 13 pitchers, it’s possible that Alberto Gonzalez stays on the roster and they send down one of their many right handed relievers. I understand that we currently have only 4 starters, but we started the season with 13 position players and 12 pitchers, and I think we could go back to that considering the injuries. All that said, it doesn’t answer the question of playing time for Gonzo.
“Picking from the same talent pool and with similar resources, the Red Sox somehow acquired the better ex-Marlin (Josh Beckett vs. Pavano)”
I wasn’t aware the Yankees had a blocked, offensively potent SS at AAA, AND an opening at 3B to take on (what seemed like) an albatross of a contract there. Huh.
Basically, the guy compares apples to oranges and then decides Cashman is an idiot. He blissfully ignores the fact that the Red Sox offered Pavano the same money to go to Boston. He ignores the fact that the Red Sox outbid the next highest offer by 15-20 million for a 5-6 inning pitcher. He ignores the fact that Cashman DID NOT WANT to trade for Randy Johnson.
I think the one to go is Edwar Ramirez. He’s not a major league pitcher, at least, not now. He’s almost totally inconsistant. That’s his only consistancy he allows. He’ll either strike out the side or sprinkle in 5 walks with the doubles and homers he allows.
“The Yankees didn’t do their research on Pavano though. His pitching style wasn’t a good fit for the AL.”
Then no one else did either. Several teams were lined up for him, including Boston and Detroit. Also, we don’t really know if he’d have succeeded in the AL. It’s not like he was ever pitching healthy.
**correction.. That’s his only consistency.** Also need to learn to spell consistency, consistently.
GB: And Edwar did not have a great outing the other day, either.
I’m not sure managers are subject to tampering rules. Only team “officials” are. I don’t think the manager counts as a team official but I am not certain. Seeing as he has no ability to sign a player, I would guess he is not an official which would make such contact permissible.
Players can solicit other players anytime and its not tampering.
Why let actual facts get in the way of good lambasting?
Yanks win tonight in a close game.
I think that Ramirez is going to be sent down for Igawa’s start…but they could send him down today to make room for Betemit. He’s definitely the odd man out in the pen.
“GB: And Edwar did not have a great outing the other day, either.”
yeah, but he’d had two good outings before that, no?
Not that I’m saying I’d pick Edwar as the keeper.
Steve B –
Be careful when you talk about players soliciting other players. With Roger Clemens and the Ronaldo stories floating around, people might not understand what you mean!
That’s what bothers me, Rebecca. Those walks come in bunches. The only thing they didn’t do was hit him. I’m almost more comfortable with Farnsworth than Ramirez. Watching Farnsworth pitch is like knowing that no matter what he’s doing, he’s one pitch from Armageddon.
I think 2 of 3 get sent down – Britton, Ramirez, Veras – for Betemit and Igawa. Which ones probably somewhat depend on who gets blown out for 2+ innings the night before the move is made.
“I wasn’t aware the Yankees had a blocked, offensively potent SS at AAA, AND an opening at 3B to take on (what seemed like) an albatross of a contract there. Huh.”
I agree. I also seem to remember reading on MLBtraderumors that winter that the Marlins, in an attempt to get the Yankees to join the bidding war for Beckett, asked for Wang and Cano, plus another two prospects.
And, the fact the FLA wanted the teams to take on the Lowell deal (which I believe was 2 years and $18 mil), was asking a lot for a lot of teams involved…
Veras will probably stay for now, but Ramirez and Britton will be back to Scranton soon. Hopefully Igawa gets lost on the way to the game.
Hope I’m not offending anyone, but don’t you Giants fans get tired of Strahan’s hemming and hawing?
TKinDC: I think ESPN’s page 2 got it right when they said of Clemens’s recent troubles, “Well, at least he’s not Ronaldo”!
Good afternoon all.
Been all into these election and trying to work. I just want to say to all the Hughes and Kennedy doubters. TWO WORDS.
Urban Santana. Who would of thought after a horrendous 07. He would be undefeated today.Patience my friends patience.
Oh and can someone on the inside please tell Girardi that this isnt Giambi of 2000. This is the 08 version. Bench him already!!
Looks like Rasner on Saturday not Igawa.From Feinsand’s blo below
Girardi also informed us that Kei Igawa will likely get the ball on Friday, with Darrell Rasner starting Saturday. That will break up lefties Igawa and Andy Pettitte from pitching on consecutive days, which seemed to be the reason for giving Rasner the extra day instead of Igawa.
I also think they will send down a pitcher tonight. They are carrying 13. When Alex went on the DL they replaced his spot with a pitcher. Now that Betemit is back, they can send a pitcher back. Could be Briton or Ramirez
Considering how many times Britton has been shipped back and forth, I’d expect that it could be both him and Ramirez…but I think the Yankees will send down AG simply because they’ve got a haul of IFers on the roster already. They’ll probably carry 12 pitchers, not 11.
Andy making his 400th career start tonight.
lol, I love this quote by Giambi:
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2008/05/slump_wears_on_giambi.html
“That’s the whole thing, that’s the hard part,” Giambi said. “We’ve gone through my tapes, and I can’t really change anything. I’m taking my walks, I’m not striking out. It’s just one of those things where I’m hitting it right at everybody right now. I think it’s more frustrating, because it’s human nature to want to fix something. But there’s nothing to fix.”
Nothing to fix? How about you STOP PULLING THE BALL. There problem fixed, end of story.
Why aren’t these reporters asking Girardi, WHY Giambi? Why?
Here’s hoping for win #205 for Pettitte, Jennifer.
“It’s just one of those things where I’m hitting it right at everybody right now.”
That’s a problematic mind-set. Hitting into the shift all the time is not bad luck.
Eugie, if they pitch him outside, he’ll hit it to left. They aren’t going to stack the infield and then pitch him outside.
“I’m hitting it right at everybody right now.”
Immagine that? Someone tell Giambi that all 8 guys on the field are on the first base side of the field!! Even the pitcher is pitching on that side of the rubber.
Eugie –
Giambi has a history of ignoring his faults and making excuses instead. Watch any postgame this season and all he says is he “hit the ball hard”. I wonder how hard one can hit a ball that ends up in the third baseman’s glove in front of the visitor’s dugout?
He’s also made plenty’o excuses related to his health in most recent years.
There’s only one Mike Timlin. Giambi has to face other pitchers, too. Get it together.
He wouldn’t be hitting into the shift if he’d bunt one down the third base line just out of reach of the catcher and pitcher.
“hit the ball hardâ€
Thats the problem. We’re not even asking him to hit the ball hard. Hell a ball that looks like a drag bunt to third will do.
I wonder if his definition of “hit the ball hard” means anything past the pitcher.
Eugie, if they pitch him outside, he’ll hit it to left. They aren’t going to stack the infield and then pitch him outside.
They stack the infield like that because it doesn’t matter where you pitch him. Anything that he hits to the left side are usually foul balls off of the end of his bat.
SOS 27 – watch the field umps, too. When Giambi is up they’re all way out of position. One of them is standing on top of the tarp tube in foul territory behind first.
“Eugie, if they pitch him outside, he’ll hit it to left. They aren’t going to stack the infield and then pitch him outside.”
I thought that too. But then I saw them pitch him outside and him roll it over to the 2B.
“He wouldn’t be hitting into the shift if he’d bunt one down the third base line just out of reach of the catcher and pitcher.”
Easier said than done. More likely he’d pop it up, bunt it back to the pitcher, miss, or not get it far enough away and get thrown out. He’s SLOW.
“Hell a ball that looks like a drag bunt to third will do.”
That’s not a drag bunt for a lefty.
Lol @ Giambi for driving in 4 runs over 7 games with one only 1 hit. I guess it’s kind of hard not drive in 4 runs in 7 games with Damon, Jeter, Abreu and Matsui batting ahead of you.
True. Too bad it’s not like kickball and someone could kick and then have someone to run for them once they make contact.
stevehowyadoin,
Even the freekin squarrell shifts!!
“I wonder if his definition of “hit the ball hard†means anything past the pitcher.”
In fairness, there have been a number of times he’s hit the ball hard, just right into the shift. The problem is that he sees this as OK and NOT as indicative of his needing to change.
You expect Giambi to bunt when Jeter, Cabrera, Abreu and Damon have trouble getting bunts down? It’s the same reason Ted Williams refused to give in to bunting or slapping grounders to the left side. They’re being paid to hit homers. You don’t think that managers would rather see him hit singles than put one in the upper deck?
*wouldn’t** not would
I’m one who doesn’t think Giambi can bunt for base hits.
However even if he were to bunt does anyone really think that teams will stop using the shift because Giambi has started to bunt for base hits? I don’t.
There’s only one way teams will stop using the shift on Giambi and that’s if he starts hitting the ball hard the other way.
%100 of teams will take Giambi trying to bunt for base hits all day every day. Walking accomplishes the same thing as a bunt base hit does.
On his blog Mark Feinsand is saying that Girardi has said Igawa will probably start Friday, Rasner Saturday and Pettitte Sunday to break up the lefties.
He also said that Alex will begin some physical activity tomorrow.
“That’s not a drag bunt for a lefty.”
Good. I guess he wont feel so bad to poke it that way then. Wouldnt want to hurt his manly pride.
O.k. Im done venting. Thanks guys. I needed that.
you guys know, the more we keep ragging on Giambi like this, the greater possibility he’ll hit a home run tonight, right?
Rebecca: exactly. Look what happened when we all ragged on Damon last year.
I really dont know why Giambi isnt benched, he’s been beyond awful for almost 2 years now
They’re being paid to hit homers. You don’t think that managers would rather see him hit singles than put one in the upper deck?
But making the opponents aware that he can use the shift against them and go to the left side might open more holes on the right side. Not saying that it would happen, but it might make teams a bit more weary.
you guys know, the more we keep ragging on Giambi like this, the greater possibility he’ll hit a home run tonight, right?
Then everyone should rag away. Maybe he could squeeze out a 2-homer performance.
“There’s only one way teams will stop using the shift on Giambi and that’s if he starts hitting the ball hard the other way.”
Yup. Hitting the ball deep to left the other day, the one Ibanez wound up catching, that was a promising AB.
“you guys know, the more we keep ragging on Giambi like this, the greater possibility he’ll hit a home run tonight, right?”
That’s why we do it in the first place
Anything to help the team
GreenBeret,
Its either watch a 20 million dollar man hit singles. Or watch a 20 million dollar man ride the pine. .150 aint cutting it. He either need to dump or get of the pot. What message is this sending to everyone from his teammates to the minor leagues. Its o.k. to hit a buck fifty and still start everyday. Non sense. Like whozat said. Its a cause for concern when he doesnt see there being a problem.
“But making the opponents aware that he can use the shift against them and go to the left side might open more holes on the right side. Not saying that it would happen, but it might make teams a bit more weary.”
As Ray said…no, they wouldn’t. They won’t care if he’s bunting his way on. He stands a great chance of walking anyway, and a bunt is no better than that. And if he bunts, he’s certainly not driving the ball anywhere. They’ll continue to shift to take away legit hits and let him try to poke bunts to the right all he wants. He’ll fail at it a lot and put himself in bad counts, and even when he succeeds…meh, so what? He had a pretty good chance of walking anyway.
Farnsworth had his appeal heard today.
“you guys know, the more we keep ragging on Giambi like this, the greater possibility he’ll hit a home run tonight, right?”
Rebecca,
Why do you think Damon got hot. Im sure hoping to go 2 for 2 and then go on to the next slacker.
“Farnsworth had his appeal heard today.”
Oh, right. That makes me think they’ll have sent down Gonzo, since the pen is back down by one. Then they’ll send down a pitcher for Igawa.
Giambi is more likely to bunt himself to the DL than first base.
Forget about bunting. If he hits the ball the opposite way, everything is fine. If he can’t do that, he’s too cooked to be of any use to the team.
Any word on the results of Farnsy’s hearing?
On a possitive note.
I see that trenton and scranton are in first. Say what you want about Cashman. He has done a tremendous job reviving the farm. Thats not including that dream team in Charlston.
Question. Who is this Dan Giese. He’s pitching well right now. Can we bring him up instead of risky business?
“Giambi is more likely to bunt himself to the DL than first base.”
Man thats tempting.
OBP of 1B/Util Players:
.345 – Gonzo
.333 – Duncan
.317 – Giambi
.246 – Morgan
.214 – Betemit
Getting rid of Gonzo for betemit is the dumbest decision – so what he’ll hit a HR for every 30 strikeouts. He’s terrible.
Even tho Giambi isn’t hitting for his life, at least he’s getting base with walks, which helps with runs and keeping the inning going.
If you’re gonna bring up Betemit, send down Ensberg, no Gonzo, commoooooonn.
Why isn’t Duncan spending any time at 1B??? Rest Giambi a little – and Duncan is better anyway. I’m sick of seeing Duncan every 5 games.
“Question. Who is this Dan Giese. He’s pitching well right now. Can we bring him up instead of risky business?”
A career minor league journeyman. Almost certainly not worth making a 40-man roster move for. If he keeps it up, he could become a legit long-man candidate. A mopup-type guy. Put it this way…he was a long guy in the AAA pen before Horne’s injury moved him to the rotation. He has two pitches. Not even Rasner’s stuff.
“If you’re gonna bring up Betemit, send down Ensberg”
He doesn’t have minor league options. You DFA him and you lose him. It’s still worth waiting to see if he can replicate his career rates against lefties, which have always been good.
Any word on the results of Farnsy’s hearing?
Not yet. The Yanks expect to hear something in the next day or two.
Dan Giese was a guy who was invited to ST as a non-roster player, but he didn’t make the club. He’s a bit of a journeyman…if the Yanks get desparate for some starting pitching, they might go to him.
Speaking of first base busts. Eric Duncan is now batting .270. Still young. I said he would be the comeback story of the year. I assume his back isnt giving him any problems. Could he possibly help this team out in the future? Or is he no better than a future aaaa player/phillips? Dont know much about his D.
Considering that Duncan was taken out of high school rather than college, it is possible that he is finally working his way through the kinks…but I’m not going to hold my breath.
Any news on Horne? Has he started throwing yet?
Yes, Horne threw a couple days ago. Chad Jennings texts with him and reports it on his blog, linked off this site.
Duncan’s D is generally mediocre.
It would be GREAT if Duncan came around
I like that Duncan’s walks and K’s are near even. I wish he’d slug more or hit for better average, though. It’d bode well for his potential MLB numbers. It’s certainly encouraging to see him actually doing well at AAA, though. We’ll see how he’s doing after a half-season down there.
http://emedia.thetimes-tribune.com/Blogs/SWBYankeesBlog/tabid/552/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/3471/More-from-Alan-Horne.aspx
Horne
Can anybody imagine Giambi playing baseball after this year ?
Clearly, the Yankees will not pick up his 2009 option and will gladly pay his $5 million dollar buyout.
If any teams signed him it would have to be in the AL where he could only DH and be paid the minimum salary. A far cry from what he’s been cashing for paychecks.
re – Farnsy
I’m sure the muckety mucks at MLB will come out and say
“You know, we started watching baseball these past couple of weeks and we’ve seen a lot of players get hit in the shoulders. We’re sorry we bothered you with this initial ruling and we’ve seen the error of our ways”
Let me know when I can exhale
Thats great news on Horne. If he goes back to scranton this month. Could he spell Joba in the pen by late June? Or be a long man?
Man FRansworth has been a disater and people called for his head the past two years.
Now he has only three good apperances and not any of them has been in back to back games or more than 1 inning and everyone here is concerned about his appeal and think FRansworth is better.Funny how people here (*Cough…Nick from SF…Buddy…Cough*) can actually think FRansworth gonna be anything but a 4.50Era reliver.
Hope Latroy doesn’t go in the DL or this blog will go crazy.
unreal. sending gonzales down for a player who is worst defensively AND offensively right now. unreal.
*who is worse
miss that edit feature
I know it wasn’t like i predicted anything crazy and was right, but i’m still proud of myself since I only missed the guy who was on the DL when i said this lol:
JoeT YANKEES – Joba = SP
May 6th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
3 hours to the 4:00 line-up lol
Lets take a stab at it
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Matsui DH
Giambi 1B (UGH)
Cabrera CF
Cano 2B
Ensberg 3B
Molina C
Pettitte goes 6 5 3 3 2 5 (woo Quality start!!)
at least betemit is fast…maybe he can pinch run.
oh wait…
Gonzo got sent down? WTF!
whozat,
I know youv been a fan of Ensburg. But i dont see the same player he once was. I weant into this year hoping he would revert back to his all star years. I cant see it happening. He looks stiff out there. Struggling on outer half of the plate pitches. IMO. I would have kept Gonzo and cut or found a taker for Morgan.
Is it me or is there a grave injustice that we had to send Gonzo down and couldn’t Giambi?
Also, what does it say when I have more confidence in the names “Mussina” and “Rasner” than I do Igawa?
MoBoy, you are totally full of cr*p. When I have I EVER said anything about thinking what you said I think about Farnsworth? Not once. I’ve been accused of being an excessive Farnsworth basher on this blog.
Your problem — well, one of your problems– is that you seem to think that anyone who wants Joba to move into the rotation therefore must think that Farnsworth is the only candidate to take his place. I don’t think so. I’ve never once said so.
Also, I’m not from SF. I live in SF. I’m from New York.
Can anybody explain to me why Jason Giambi is hitting fifth again?
Wow! Just under an hour to go until game time and the board is already out of control.
*No one is getting DFA’d. Not Giambi, not Betemit, no one.
*Giambi will keep getting run out there against RH for the most part for the forseeable future. As a veteran with a history of high OBP and with a big contract, he will be given a very long leash.
*Betemit is a LH bat at 3B while A-Rod is out. They acquired him in a trade for a serviceable bullpen arm and he will be given the opportunity to succeed.
*Gonzo does the Yankees no good sitting on the bench as a utility IF right now. He needs to get ABs playing every day down in Scranton.
*Ensberg can not be sent down. Look at his years of service.
*No trades are going to be made in May…it is too early to tell how all of the pieces fit together.
This is not a video game, this is a professional organization. Changes aren’t made by clicking the x or triangle button.
Betemit being a lefty bat is not the reason he’s here. You don’t replace a right handed bat with a left handed bat in a lineup DOMINATED by left handed bats, if you can help it. If anything, Gonzo was optioned because a) he has options b) he needs ABs and most importantly c) Betemit is a player they acquired, and they want ROI.
“Your problem — well, one of your problems–”
This is a great construction – mind if I use that?
but betemit really, at this point, as shown little use on the team. hopefully they can get some HRs out of him, or figure out a way to get him to bat above .150 and play 1st base. but if they’re going to use him as a 3B, then why not go with the “slick-fielding” gonzales. at least that dude can run from 1st to 3rd on a single.
“This is not a video game, this is a professional organization. Changes aren’t made by clicking the x or triangle button.”
This. Quotable. Know it.
Victor Martinez was a late scratch from the Indians’ lineup
TKinDC, use it with my blessing.
Posada said Girardi’s like his brother, whereas Torre is like his father.
So maybe Posada wanted to have a chat with his “father.”
How is that anyone’s blanking business?
I agree with the posters here about Kay: he has a inexhaustible vendetta against Torre. I was all for his exit, and even more in favor of Girardi’s entrance, but Kay is out of line and typically, full of himself.
Trying to make something out of nothing; what else is talk radio for.
release giambi,betemit at first,alberto gonzalez backup infielder,dh matsui,damon in left,bret gardner backup outfielder.huge mistake having igawa pitch.he has a 4.0 era in AAA wich means at least a 6 era in the majors wich is what he had roughly.you call up a pitcher who is hot like resner who had a 0.87 era or mcutchen or give olendorf a start.they should have given kennedy one more start before they sent him down,i get this gut feeling that they sent him down one game to early.anybody but igawa.that is a automatic loss.
Yankees will win tonight. Bank on it.
Today: Pettitte
Tomorrow: Wang
Thursday: Mussina
Friday: Igawa (â€We’re 99 percent sure,†Girardi said.)
Saturday: Rasner
Sunday: Pettitte
.
( then on Friday, we have a 1 percent chance of winning )
I swear, bringing in Igawa to lose a game is just silly…How about ANYONE else in the minors ? Well with that loss already counted, if we go 4-2 in the next 6 games, it would be a good thing, huh ?
Get over it Pete. The Giants where the better team that Sunday.
inexhaustible vendetta – good one
hello ?
As much as I like Kennedy and as much as I dislike Igawa, it was Kennedy who was the automatic loss. I think his trip to Scranton will be good for him. Maybe this lights a spark as it gives Kennedy something to prove.
with Igawa on the mound, we need to score 12…and like 10 of them early on…to both win the game and save the bullpen…he is a nightmare waiting to happen and if the Yankees trot him out, they are basically giving up on that game….
People, can’t we all just get along?
Pete – your Pats completely misjudged Big Blue. I hope Carmona does the same with Giambi tonight.
Brandon & SoS,
Who wins tonight & who takes the series? C’s or Cavs?
Its tough to see Gonzo sent down but its best that he gets regular playing time to continue to improve. It also gives us a chance to see what Betemit can do now that his eye problem is resolved. If he can show anything close to what he did last year then he increases his value for us (over Ensberg) as a switch-hitting 1B/3B option or as potential trade bait. Ensberg has not really shown much at all.
Glad that Alex is feeling better. He is going to start working out Thursday and hopes to be back in about a week. That would be great.
If Gonzalez upgrades his bat his potential can be so great.
Let’s go Yankees!
Nice to see Spags and Gilbride there. Go Giants!
Let’s go Tampa Bay Rays!
I know many things, but I know nothing about creating a website. I have an idea for a website, what do I do?
Huh? ^^
Clay,
Blog or website?
If you mean a blog, look for hosting companies like Wordpress or Blogspot. You can buy your own domain name if you like.
“Blog or website?”
What’s the difference? Only kidding. A website.
I thought of writing a blog, but some bastard stole my laptop!
Sorry, the “Huh?” was @ TBR, not you Clay.
First I think you need to get your laptop back.
Try godaddy.com
O/T but has anyone seen the Red Stripe commercial with the Bahamian in the tux dancing with the big white kid? Is that Tony Soprano’s kid?
Am I the only one not hearing the intros on YES and everything? I’m only getting background noise from the ballpark.
is yall’s MLBtv sound messed up?
Geesh, some of the snark directed at Betemit is really mean.
…but I’m on MLB.tv, so I guess that could be part of the problem.
is yall’s MLBtv sound messed up?
You mean you don’t lip read either?
yeah – it’s fine on the actual TV
Yes, my sounds messed up too.
it seems to be fixed now
It’s YANKEE time!!!!!
It’s back now.
Mel,
The C’s take tonight’s game, but they definitely need to play better than they did in the Hawks series if they want to win the series against Cleveland.
mel,
Still think the Celtics beat the Lebrons.
Man my team is in big trouble. They got old over night.
Gotta go.
Clay/Joe: Blogging is an incredible experience. You should go for it if you’re interested.
Nice first inning for Andy. Hope that he keeps it up.
I’ll be contrarian. It goes 7, with the Cavs, no the C’s winning it. I mean the Cavs. Oh never mind. I do think the Cavs win tonight, though.
good job andy!
I Predict Three runs for the Yanks in bottom of the 1st
Tim Wakefield is perfect through part of one at-bat.
18 and 1.
18 and 1.
Thanks Nick perfect game over for wakefield
Kennedy looks good so far.
Double steal!
Through the first two innings Kennedy has faced 6 hitters and gotten all 6 out.
2 K’s. 20 pitches 14 for strikes. The announcers are saying that his fastball has been very good – low in the zone and working it in on the hands well.
Hopefully Kennedy goes down and finds his confidence again.
That base hit was sponsored by Benihana..wishing Arod and Posada a speedy recovery
15 games for Matsui!
Ok, Giambino, the table is set for you.
Big test here for the G. Sacrifice will suffice.
From what I gather from David Cone’s A+ commentary is that, Carmona had a superb season last year, he’s overthrowing so far tonight, he’s struggling a tad so far this year, he needs a few more years to prove that he’s a true ace, and he is going to have to find a second pitch.
Great news about Kennedy so far…. lets hope it continues
and hopefully Giambi’s pants help (probably better then Wang’s bat)
Trade Matsui, right Pete?
another chance for Giambi to get an RBI without a hit
come on Giambi…
Carmona is too good a pitcher to let off the hook.
They have him on the ropes and need to make it happen.
If they let him settle down he’s going to be tough.
Come on Giambi, anything but the doub** ***y
giambi needs to be moved out of this 5th spot. either put him in the 7th hole or i dont mind putting him at the 2 spot (not an RBI spot, maybe he will see better pitches)
YES! NO DP! Good hustling.
giambi got legs.
Whoa my eyes deceive me Jason beat it out.
he was out..oh well 1-0 yanks
Giambi got lucky!
Just keep trotting Giambi out there Girardi!
How about that. Giambi beat out that ball.
that was close, I thought he was out.
He got the run home but that’s just not a good at bat.
They let Carmona off the hook big time. They needed more than one run there.
Looks like he beat it. lol.
Really? First pitch, Melky? Did you not watch the first 5 at-bats?
Giambi ran hard for that one.
Speed kills.
Was hoping that they would score more than 1, but at least they got that one thanks to the umps call.
…We’re not seriously complaining about having a lead, are we?
Nice stab by Pettitte.
Andy’s looking good tonight.
Rebecca
This would not be the Lohud Yankees Blog if there weren’t complaints!
Giambi once again got an RBI without actually doing anything.
When you are struggling like Giambi is, you naturally expand the zone.
He swung at ball 3 and it was a sinker down and in.
For most lefties, that’s a pitch you drive. He can’t drive that pitch anymore so, he just rolls over it.
To his credit, he hustled down the line.
Unfortunately, until Arod and Posada get back, he is going to be given every opportunity to shake out of it.
Personally, I don’t think he can. Unlike Cano, he can’t use the entire field and his inability to do so dooms him at this stage of his career.
Ian Kennedy and Danny McCutcheon are both dealing so far tonight. Good news from the farm.
Andy looking good.
Kay just said “Perfect through 2″
Hey where’s Trisha I miss her
I’m way behind the actual game–but holy crap. Giambi beat out a DP.
Good job by Andy in the first two frames.
Why did Kay have to say that? Hasn’t he made enough of an idiot himself today?
3 shutout innings for Kennedy tonight. 32 pitches, 21 strikes. 2 K’s, 1 HBP.
McCutcheon: 4 shutout innings, 1 hit, 1 BB, 3 K’s.
3-0 Sucks!
SJ44,
his name is “McCutchen” not “McCutcheon.” You of all people should know how to spell our prospects’ names since you know all about them.
SJ–that’s great news about Kennedy.
Dear Michael Kay,
Do a lot of players really say that they’re ‘hitting on the interstate’ or is that mostly you?
Sincerely,
Nick in SF
Kay needs to shutup…
I think the man has “stick foot in mouth” disease
Giambi can never be accused of not working hard or hustling.
Thanks SJ…. sounds great to me!
5:1 Go/Ao
that’s a carmona game
I especially loved the comment about pitchers wanting to be on the interstate…
I hate these Mohegan Sun commercials.
so Kay talked about 2 perfect innings and the first guy up gets a hit…where’s that Trisha!
Excuse my spelling.
thanks sj, there’s hope
I hate to see that kind of first hit off of a pitcher
It’s ok. When do you think McCutchen gets the call to Scranton??
I think the man has “stick foot in mouth†disease
Then why won’t YES put him on the DL? Call up Jim Kaat from the retirement list.
Chad Moeller has a future with the YES Network when Posada comes back and he gets DFA’d. They seeem to have a thing for ex-catchers like Girardi and Flaherty.
I saw Michael Kay at Legends Field during a spring training game. He was mugging for face time with the fans so I yelled to him “Say seeya for us” And he responded with his shiite eating grin “SEEYA FOR US!!” I laughed and responded back to him “When are you going to learn to pronounce Alex Rodriguez’s name correctly?” He quickly walked back to the dugout without saying another word.
MOLINA WITH THE CANNON!
“Chad Moeller has a future with the YES Network when Posada comes back and he gets DFA’d. They seeem to have a thing for ex-catchers like Girardi and Flaherty.”
I LOVE Flaherty in the booth!! Coney too
and once again when you have mlb.tv and have to listen to the away team announcers you’ll appreciate Kay lol.
that a boy Molina! great arm strength in those Molina boys!!
Excellent!
IPK with a no-hitter through 4.
Nice Molina!!
Molina from his knees! Awesome!
9 up 9 down
Flaherty is my favorite color man in the booth.
I have MLB.tv, but Kay really gets on my nerves when he breaks the long-standing rule of baseball tradition. You don’t say anything when somebody is throwing a no-no or a perfect game.
JoeT I agree with you on Flaherty and Cone.
“IPK with a no-hitter through 4.”
I love it, way to go Ian.
“IPK with a no-hitter through 4.”
AAAA pitcher versus AAA team
I love o’neill when he’s in the booth. they put together a piece the other day on his swing tradition when he was in the dugout and outfield. I was laughing for 5 minutes straight. he’s the man.
Im partial to Al Leiter, only because within the 1st inning every game him and Michael Kay get in an argument… hahaha Al always sits Mike down from his soapbox when he tries to sensationalize a little too much.
Pete Im not a Giants fan, but youre bonkers bro. Patriots had every right to lose that game, Brady’s game was weak the whole postseason and that D-Line just ran all over you. Suck it up, I did, I’m a Dolphin fan, haha.
Perfectville Population: 1!!!
I would have liked to see Harold Reynolds in the booth but the damn Mets beat us to him.
Cute brunette in the 3rd row.
I mean, I hope Garko is ok.
“The Yankees are playing Charlotte”
Charlotte?
Then I meant AAAA pitcher versus AA team.
guess a little scranton was all Ian needed…
Jax just pulled a Michael Kay.
Derek
I hate to break it to you and to defend a Pats fan, but Pete was being completely saracastic with what he said. He doesnt really believe what he said. Calm down, take a deep breath and always forever remember….. 18-1!!!
Just got in.
Sj great news on Mcutchen. When do you think he will be able to help the Yankees?
Oh what a surprise. Giambi grounds out and gets an rbi. Batting under 150. It seems like Torre is disquised as Girardi. Or he’s got Girardi on his fav 5 and giving him tips.
Ian is pitching awesome!
glad to see that he is proving himself down at AAA, good for him
The announcer: “This is not the same Ian Kennedy that was in New York.”
IPK needs to piece together a couple of solid starts to get his confidence back…then maybe he can fill the 5th starter slot in June.
Yaaaa, I doin good!
bettew give up a hit tho. i don’t wanna get pwomoted back to majow leagues and have ta face good teams again and go poopy in my pants again. lolz!
Could it be that Ian is finally pitching in good weather? Im just saying.
LOL Mel…
That commercial is a few years old, and yes, he does look like a beefy version of AJ Soprano. Of all those Red Stripe commercials, that one was my favorite. Great song they use in that…
Man… Every Sunday now, come 8:45 pm or so, I begin to miss The Sopranos. O/T, I know, but what a great show that was.
The best show in the last 30 years, IMHO.
Aside from Doogie Howser, M.D., of course!
Steve,
You obviously havent seen me on here before… you havent begun to understand all that is the satire that I bring. We know Pete’s a sarcastic fluff-monger, but hes damn good at it, so keep it comin…
Secondly, obviously he’s tight about it, you know he is, and while a lot of truth is said in jest, he DEFINATELY is not the only pats fan to utter such remarks jokingly/sarcasticly/seriously, or all the above.
As for Cashman sucks… maybe you need to take a deep breath sir…
Or could it be no pressure?
Charlotte’s a AAA team
Or do you mean that their offense is at AA level and not AAA?
Best show on TV in the last 30 years, IMO: The Wire.
Best show on TV in the last 30 years, IMO: Lost
live from scranton PA.Kennedy no hits 5ip 1hbp 4ks. 6 fly outs 1 line out 4 ground outs.
Dexter!
If Cano can’t do it with the bat, at least he made a nice play in the field.
Minor league pitching update:
Kennedy: 5 scoreless and hitless innings, 1 HBP, 4K’s. Scranton leads 1-0. 60 pitches/41 strikes.
McCutchen: 5 scoreless innings, 2 hits, 1 BB, 3K’s. Trenton leads 1-0.
Re: McCutchen, I am a little surprised he isn’t already in AAA. He’s dominating the Eastern League and Scranton has a relief pitcher (Dan Geise) in their rotation right now.
Perhaps he is holding the spot for Horne.
You have to think though, if McCutchen keeps pitching like this, he’s not long for the Eastern League.
Best show on TV in the last 30 years, IMO: House, MD
Lost is a great show.
I feel like I need to do HW for it.
Wakie with a 1-hitter through 3.
Still, 3-0 Sucks!
I havent seen joba lately… He isnt hurt is he?
what the heck is up with Molina’s mask? He looks like it has eyes. what happened to the one that said New York on it?
sj44,
Perhaps McCutchens holding the spot for Horne, then will move up and take IPKs spot in SWB….
Friggin J-Honny kills us everytime…
While we’re getting into it. The best show I’ve ever seen is Homicide: Life on the Street.
I love Lost. Love love love it. Maybe HBO shows should be graded on a different scale; the Sopranos was pretty darn good.
I was liking this show a lot better before that 2-run homer from Peralta, but I think we can get it back.
implosion an inning early?
Best show on TV in the last 30 years, IMO: CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM
Larry David is the MAN!
I turn the channel for five seconds and Cleveland homers? GAH!
Sorry.
It appears I brought some bad luck with me and sure didn’t mean to. Just joined up, late night at work. Didn’t get to read any posts but I was about to say it looked like Andy was pitching a great game. Maybe he was. Maybe he still is except for one bad pitch?
Okay, go Yankees!
Fran, my score for the game would have been 4-1 Yanks. Looks like I’m still on a roll…
Peralta again
SJ,
I’m admittedly getting ahead of myself here, but if Kennedy continues dominating at AAA, and then struggles when he comes back to the Bronx, what do you do? Do you let him take his lumps in the Bronx or keep him in the Minors to try and win this year?
Man the homerun ball is killing Pettitte this year. It seems to unravel in the 4th or 5th innings. Lets re group and finish strong Andy!!
C’mon Andy! Be TOUGH!!!!!!
crap
TELETUBBIES!
Geez, I don’t even have a favourite TV show…but one of the ones I like the most went off the air before I was born: Facts of Life.
Imagine if Carmona was on the yankees. Would he have been given the breathing room to be where he is now if they didn’t have faith in him after his 1-10 6.00 era rookie season.
I mean many here are ready to write off and label as bums Phil and Ian after pitching 20 innings each.
I love it that Ian is having the night he having. I know we expect to win now, but dammit if we don’t loosen up and be a little patient we might screw up these two guys for good.
Derek
After my deep breath, I still see a GM who has failed at acquiring effective pitchers and who squanders the one advantage the Yanks have over every other team, their deep pockets. This might be the only time in the history of the world an employee has a problem spending his boss’s money.
Pete you forgot to close tabs.
http://sportsmaniacs.ipbfree.com/index.php?act=idx
new blog that needs more people to register, its a place where you can talk aout any sports with others
Andy Pettitte is becoming a big problem for the Yankees right now.
3 straight starts he can’t hold leads, gives up bombs and can’t seem to right the ship.
If he can’t pitch effectively, the Yankees have no replacement or answers from within.
They need him to pitch a helluva lot better than he has the last 3 starts.
If not, I don’t know where they turn for help.
Greatest Show on TV IMO: Weeds
At least Kennedy already seems to have regained his form… hopefully he’s using his anger about being demoted to spank the opponents.
Sorry guys the best TV show in the last 30 years is Battlestar Galactica.
For you Lost fans, there are of course lots of dorky message boards and blogs, but one I highly recommend is a Lost blog on the Powells.com site — Powell’s is a pretty famous bookstore in Portland and each episode is analyzed from a literary/philosophical/scientific point of view.
Of course, reading it feels even more like homework than watching the show, but it’s usually pretty interesting.
Here it is:
http://www.powells.com/blog/?author=104
That kinda sucks
Rebecca -
You haven’t been around for the 30 years!
But I like House, too.
But I would say the first few seasons (Pre-Kirstie Alley) of Cheers ranks up there. Also Taxi.
Dont have a favorite
Top 5
1.24
2.lost
3.heroes
4.prison break
5.supernatural
BSG has been kinda boring lately..I dunno. It’s putting me to sleep
Actually, he’s not quite perfect…hit a batter
but still VERY impressive
SJ, last two starts you’re right Andy hasn’t looked too good. His stuff looks a lot better tonight though, just one mistake pitch to Peralta.
Wild pitch? what has happened to Andy?
c’mon Andy
Wow Kennedy is throwing sliders. Something he rarely did up here.
Also, Best Show in the Last 30 Years for me: The New Detectives: Case Studies in Forensic Science
OK – NOW GET THE FREAKING RUNS BACK!
the best show in the past 30 years is the Star Wars ewok christmas special
Ian just gave up a hit…think we jinxed him
SJ: Well, he seems to have recovered a little bit from it. It’s only 2-1 right now, so hopefully the Yankees can mount something vaguely resembling an offense.
Still, I am with you, the last three starts are a bit worrying.
Steve, That was quite a long breath.
Go make yourself a list of every transaction, waiver pick up, and trade Cashman has made, put checks next to the good ones, and x’s next to the bad ones. Then see why every team is frantically biting their nails WAITING for Hank to give Cashman the heave-ho so they can scoop him up.
Bob Watson was the original genius I’ll give you that… but hes having WAY more fun handing out parking tickets to Kyle Farnsworth right now hehe.
I mentioned this earlier. Have patience with are 3 amigos. Urban Santana has been lights out. Who would have thought that would happen after an awefull 07.
Wire. Greatest show ever.
To add on to my point about Pettitte, he already has 4 K’s in 4 innings. That’s one less than his season high of 5 K’s. His k/9 this season is pretty bad but he looks better tonight.
How come no one’s mentioned the A-Team? I pity the fool!
My favorite was Wiseguy and StingRay
Was Pete jinxed Ian
If Pettite blows up – it would be an interesting rotation of Wang, Mussina, Rasner, Igawa and McCutchen, or White. Not to mention a little scary.
Prison Break cannot be on anyone’s top list of anything. Although I never miss an episode.
I’m getting into Battlestar Galactica via dvd, I’m in early season 3. Great show, I’m going to be sad when I’m all caught up. Sadder still when it’s over.
Hey, go Yankees!
Funniest show ever.
THE OFFICE
laura i love lost too it’s mind-blowing.
What do you think kate was doing for sawyer back in the US??
And does you think that means Sawyer is dead?
“The New Detectives: Case Studies in Forensic Science”
I liked that show.
Forensic Files on Tru TV(Court TV) is also something I can watch anytime.
You know what I miss-Unsolved Mysteries
Minor league update:
Kennedy: 6 innings, 1 hit (gave it up with 2 outs in the 5th), 0 runs, 1 HBP, 0 BB, 5K’s. 72 pitches, 48 strikes. Scranton leads 3-0.
McCutchen: 6 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 1 BB 4K’s. Trenton leads 3-0. McCutchen’s ERA for the season now down to 2.01.
sunny: A little scary?
That’d be like Psycho-level scary, and that’s being optimistic!
Ooh, yea, Unsolved Mysteries was also great…and a bit scary as a kid with the theme music; might have to make that a close 2nd for me
It’s only scary because it’s unknown and untested. You never know how it could turn out. BUT….perish the thought that Andy isn’t Andy.
SJ I think you are exaggerating Andy hasn’t been doing that bad.
This is where having Giambi in the lineup kills. What can this guy possibly do here? Not much…
Bets on Giambi’s at -bat?
“That’d be like Psycho-level scary, and that’s being optimistic!”
LOLZ, YA! then wang gets a bwistew on his pinky and moose wemembews he’s 40, then me and phil get put back in the wotation! now THATS scawy! for me and phil mostwy! LOLZ!
hold on, gotta go give up a home wun. can’t go back to the majows!
Beautiful hit by Jason!
LEFT FIELD!
JGGGGGGG atta boy meatbag OPPO cityyyyy
My bet is that Giambi finally tries to drive a ball the other way and gets an RBI double. Stay tuned.
Well I take that back, if he does that more, then it can work, but it’s a mystery why he doesn’t try to go to left more often…
Umm. Guys. You know what I said before, about ragging on Giambi?
Giambi rules! The other way
Atta boy Jason, going the other way. I love it.
RBI on a HIT!!!
Holy crap Giambi ripped that one into left center!
Also I was just thinking, some people in spring training were ripping on Bobby Meacham for making a few bad calls at third but so far this season he’s been very good. Good call to send Matsui.
See what happens when he goes opposite field?
Oh yeah..The theme music for unsolved mysteries used to scare the hell outta me as a kid! So creepy…
Whoa…Giambi did something! A double! 2-2 game!
Jason Giambi!!! nice hitting!!
My favorite show is The Shield. Vic Mackey rules.
David i suggest you dress those words with Guldens spicy brown mustard… haha
And Giambi goes the other way? Boy, he had to have been reading this board earlier.
OK – like the double to left there big G…
Hey hey hey! Leave Giambi alone!!!
Hey hey hey! Leave Giambi alone!!!
Now I toldya that Baseball 101 says that when you’re hitting da ball on da screws it’s a matter of time before it drops in or flys out!
Good on you Jason.
Did you just hear Kay say that Jason has the most RBI on the team? I must have heard wrong because that obviously doesn’t seem possible.
Why bunt? Crazy.
THE BIG GGGGG hit one the other way. Well it’s about time jason keep up the good work!
Caught a break that the ball did not hop over the fence.
see… stick the bat out!!
ok he did a little more then stick it out there – but seriously, keep going to left and make them play you straight up, then a lot of his line-drives/ground balls to the right side will be hits
that a boy melk man!
Bets on Melky’s at-bat?
Thank goodness I held off on trying to make a Giambi/Lost joke.
But seriously, you Lost fans should check out the Powells.com Lost blog.
Wow, a non-HR basehit from Giambi. The homeruns are nice though.
Make Fausto pay!
and as I was about to type, Giambi gets a double. Nice.
Anyway, Sterling gave the reason as to why Giambi is playing 1b because “It’s not like Lou Gehrig is on the bench”. Sterling puts Jason in the same breath as Gehrig… I guess for that one at bat, he’s right.
rebecca!! Who do we rag on next? Its working.
Is Kay smoking something, he was just critizing Melky for trying to bunt, than he doesn’t but hits to the right side, same as a bunt and he praises him.
Bets on Robby’s at-bat? (hey, it’s worked so far)
understatement of the year “Giambi is not that fast at 3rd”
Nice, Cano/Cabo!
ok this season is officially going the right direction now
Giambi and Cano both get RBI hits in the same inning!! both going the other way (which is when they’re both at their best)
Wish I had been here from the start. I have to go back and read from the beginning to get a sense of what’s gone on heah!!!
HEY I LIED! I THINK I DUN BRUNG YA GOOD LUCK!!!
Left a damned file at work that I need. I’ll take this to the radio til I get back home.
GO YANKEES!!!!!
Good job Robbie, way to get it done.
S.o.S.: How about Wilson?
Looks like we didn’t even need to rag on Robbie!
Mash
X files
Seinfeld
Twin Peaks
Hill Street Blues
Cheers
the best was Cop Rock!
Yeah, Robbie! A productive non-out!
Nick in SF-Thanks for that Lost link!
SJ44, overreacting a bit on Pettitte? What are we 4 innings into the game? If you expect him to be lights out each start, it’s not happening. Have you paid attention to the last few years in his career? He’ll have a few clunkers in there, as most pitchers will. I’m not worried about Pettitte at all.
If Giambi and Cano get hot at the same time…golly, anybody could be pitching for the Yankees and they will be getting W’s!
good stuff for Kennedy- REALLY nice pitch count too. he’s in the 7th with about 70 pitches.
Giambi and Cano BOTH with RBI’s in the same inning? I can’t believe it!
“Is Kay smoking something, he was just critizing Melky for trying to bunt, than he doesn’t but hits to the right side, same as a bunt and he praises him.”
Yeah, but why bunt? By swinging he had a better chance to get a hit and not make an out than by bunting. I don’t like Kay, but he was right on that one.
“Is Kay smoking something, he was just critizing Melky for trying to bunt, than he doesn’t but hits to the right side, same as a bunt and he praises him.”
It depends on your philosophy. A lot of people think sacrifice bunting is not smart because it’s giving away an out. If he swings away its a better chance of getting a hit then bunting. As long as he pulls it he gets the runner over. I usually don’t like sac bunting myself but it is kind of silly to criticize him then praise him for the same result.
By the way, has anyone mentioned that Santana = no Melky?
DA MELK!!!
How can you not love that kid!
Be back.
all 3 RBIs are by the guys who really needed it.
Jimmy you prob agree here, but everyone hates on Becker… i really liked Becker! I still DVR it since its only on at 6am everyday
Scranton’s rotation has been very good this year.
Kei Igawa
Steven White
Dan Giese (converted reliever has been very solid so far)
Ian Kennedy
If Jeff Marquez does not perform better, he may need to be sent back to Double A to get his head straightened out. Also, if Igawa or White are called up, McCutchen will likely get a look in Scranton. At this moment Scranton is very crowded. Jason Jones and Chase Wright also deserve looks (Jason Jones has been jerked around a little bit: he was a successful starter last year in Trenton, but was bumped to the bullpen when Joba and Ian were brought to Trenton, then was squeezed out of the Scranton starting rotation). Too much pitching is a good problem to have generally, but many deserving players are getting blocked.
Star Trek anyone? Deep Space Nine, while not as popular as the other Star Trek series was perhaps the best drama on TV during its run.
Best free agent signing of the year. MOLINA.
“Sorry guys the best TV show in the last 30 years is Battlestar Galactica.”
That used to be true a few months ago. However, this current crop of episodes is God awful. I’m still scratching my head trying to figure out where it all went wrong.
Yadier Molina of the Angels? It’s the Cards, Kay.
Good to see hits by Robbie and Giambi.
Betimet sucks. Needs his eyes examined.
Steve, it is amazing how under appreciated DS9 is. It started out slow, but once the war with the Founders started, it was the best thing on. It was all downhill after that with Voyager and that dreadful Enterprise.
WOW I hate Sizemore
Damon got robbed.
Sorry Grady, Derek still gets hotter girls than you…
Star Trek? Oh wow…I sometimes watched Voyager with my parents when I was a kid. They were casual fans.
Damn
Back to work Andy
What do you think is going through Andy’s mind regarding what Roger is going through?
Grady is amazing out there… covers gap to gap with the best of them
“Star Trek anyone? Deep Space Nine, while not as popular as the other Star Trek series was perhaps the best drama on TV during its run.”
DS9.. ripoff of Babylon 5!
(kidding..sort of)
I really hate Sizemore. That’s like 5 times now he makes a diving catch against us to save them some runs.
On Pettitte not doing so well lately … does anyone now if his elbow is bothering him or not? Could just be a cold streak where he has to figure out what he’s doing wrong. He’s been pretty clutch through the years. I can’t imagine he’s suddenly caught a terminal case of the Igawas.
Nice to see Moose picking it up in the meantime. I don’t expect a 12-game win streak from him any time soon, but I do hope it lasts as long as possible. If he could cruise into the all star break at 8-4 I’d be thrilled.
Would the team reconsider Kennedy’s status in June if he does really well in Scranton for the month of May? I’m sure that depends on how some other guys perform too.
If Igawa gives up 5 runs through 3 innings his first time out (assuming he gets a call up) will the team have someone ready run into the club house to pack Igawa’s bags before he even gets sent to the showers? Actually, that would be a good way to salvage Pavano’s services if he could do be instructed to do that.
If he did, bookies might take bets on whether or not he gets injured doing it.
Moose cruising into the all star break at 8-4 isn’t something I’d expect. I’d be pleasantly surprised if he could (and I’m not saying he can’t) but I wouldn’t bet the house on him doing it.
On the other hand, Iggy cruising into the all star break at 8-4 (or even with a winning record in 7 decisions) is something I would bet against.
“DS9.. ripoff of Babylon 5!”
Ripoff? No. Close cousin? Probably. But if that had any legs, Strazinsky (think that’s how you spell it) would have sued Paramount.
Its nice that Giambi discovered left field is part of the game. Its what he is going to have to do if he is going to contribute this year.
Good situational hitting that inning. Precisely what they have to do with Arod and Posada out of the lineup.
Minor league pitching update:
Kennedy: 7 innings, 1 hit, 1 HBP, 0 runs, 7Ks. 83 pitches, 55 strikes. Scranton leads 4-0.
That’s the way to handle a demotion. Two more starts like that and he is back in the big leagues.
McCutchen: 7 innings, 3 hits, 0 runs, 1 BB, 4K’s. Trenton leads 4-0. His ERA for the season down to 1.97.
Laura
You are exactly correct. I actually think the show became excellent when they brought Worf back in that two part episode. Voyager and Enterprise were decent but there are few shows that can even hold a candle to DS9
“That used to be true a few months ago. However, this current crop of episodes is God awful. I’m still scratching my head trying to figure out where it all went wrong.”
OK..phew!
I’m not alone in thinking something is wrong/off with BSG.
I missed that last episode and don’t even care anymore. The show is putting me to sleep
Girardi said that Kennedy would determine how long he was in Scranton. If he went down there, moped, and didn’t get the job done, he could be down there for 15 starts. If he got back on the horse and squared things away, he could be back in two.
ANSKY,
If Kennedy keeps pitching like this in AAA they will consider him after his 10 days are up. If Igawa bombs they might go back to Kennedy right away.
Seems like Kennedy has a good head on his shoulders, so I hope he makes it back to the bigs and pitches just as well without hitting a wall
That’s not bordeline, that’s clearly a swing. Horrible call.
Derek
Becker was a pretty show. Shawmee Smith and Mel Woo hooo!
Battlestar is way too uneven to be the best some episodes are unwatchable (like when Lee becomes a detective)
This season has been a snoozefest so far.
Star trek Next Gen was good.
Been watchin repeats of the Odd Couple – classic!
And family ties deserves a mention
Ripoff? No. Close cousin? Probably. But if that had any legs, Strazinsky (think that’s how you spell it) would have sued Paramount.
Yeah I was joking, there has always been rumors about that though.
“OK..phew!
I’m not alone in thinking something is wrong/off with BSG.
I missed that last episode and don’t even care anymore. The show is putting me to sleep”
It’s the Baltrar stuff. It’s dragging down the show. The internal Cylon stuff is good, but there’s not enough of it.
“If Igawa gives up 5 runs through 3 innings his first time out (assuming he gets a call up) will the team have someone ready run into the club house to pack Igawa’s bags before he even gets sent to the showers? Actually, that would be a good way to salvage Pavano’s services if he could do be instructed to do that.
If he did, bookies might take bets on whether or not he gets injured doing it.”
Bookies usually don’t take bets that EVERYONE would win
Battlestar is way too uneven to be the best some episodes are unwatchable (like when Lee becomes a detective)
This season has been a snoozefest so far.
You, sir, are insane.
“Voyager and Enterprise were decent but there are few shows that can even hold a candle to DS9″
Well, TNG is still better than DS9 was – only because they strung together more great episodes than DS9 did. But the original will always be my fave.
take that grady sizemore!
Derek – i’m glad i’m not the only one who records Becker – i admit to liking it lol – it’s also on 12:30 on WGN I think it is (the Chicago station that I for some reason get in Orlando/Boca Raton, so check if you get that)
so jason now has what.. 4 hits in his last 35 or something.
give me 3 games in a row with some productive hits and you can stay in the lineup
Hey, I think you’re onto something JoeT. Make Pavano clean the clubhouse and the real player’s gear. Maybe he’d get injured clearing the mud off their spikes…
Do the DL guys sit on the bench? I haven’t seen A-Rod.
“Personally, I don’t think he can. Unlike Cano, he can’t use the entire field and his inability to do so dooms him at this stage of his career.”
SJ, you were one of the people who had written off Damon.
How is he doing right now?
Given enough chances, Giambi may turn it around and make you eat crow. I am sure you would not mind that for the good of the team.
Has anyone noticed that Giambi is wearing Melky’s batting gloves? Maybe that’s some good luck.
The YES Promo for the Joe Girardi Show says, “Coach Girardi has his finger on the pulse of the team”.
Coach?? How does that make it into the promo without anybody catching it? That’s pretty bad.
Hey SJ44, what are the odds McCutcheon gets the nod over Igawa?
A-Rod did sit on the bench for a few games…but maybe he’s on a plane to Tampa now to start rehabbing?
Andy with the lead through 5. Hasn’t done that in his last starts
Trisha – it’s the prediction (winner) that counts. It’s ok if your a little off on the score.
Kennedy needs to be stretched out imo. Pitching 7 innings in the minors is good, but if he keeps throwing 80 some odd pitches, he may not last when he comes back. The problem with Kennedy up here was that even when he pitched decently, his pitch count got so high, so early that you couldn’t leave him in to “take one for the team.”
We’ve got to make Carmona pay for these walks.
So i heard today that schilling did good in a throwing session today. Could he actually be back this year? Im not too happy about that. As much as i despise him. He gives them innings.
PLEASE no Battlestar Galactica spoilers, I’m still only up to season three. Thank you.
And go Yankees!
Thanks JoeT,
Im glad theyre back to showing the Reggie/Bob episodes instead of that awful final two seasons of Chris/the fat dude from lost…
Always had somethin for that Reg…
JoeT – I’ve also been wondering about WGN (I live in Pompano Beach, FL). It seems completely random that I live in southern Florida, yet get every single Cubs game. Very weird.
Ugh. Again, I can’t believe we got swept by the Detroit Tigers. I hope this weekend we get revenge
No chance McCutcheon gets the nod. He’s pitching tonight and we need a starter on Friday night.
Patrick
What has happened this year besides Cali?
I had such hopes for this season but will not give up yet because I think the end will be awesome.
AND you think “Black Market” was good – come now
WOW I did not know there were Becker groupies – cool – I guess
Tigers = awesome.
With the way things are going, I bet we’ll get swept by them again.
holy crap – what is going on with DET pitching!
Forget BSG, that call was just BS!
Torre certainly would not have been out of the dugout on that. Good for Girardi.
Abreu probably shouldn’t have been going for third, though. Even if he was safe.
I disagree YankeeJosh. I don’t think we need to worry about Kennedy’s pitch count in AAA. He just needs to have success and regain his confidence, and not worry about if he is too efficient and only throwing 80ish pitches.
He was safe
hrmmm – good point
What the hell Abreu? Horrible baserunning. Just gave him an out when he couldn’t get one to save his life. Horrible.
Thats why we have Girardi. Out there fighting for his team. Not nose picken on the bench.
He was safe. This is why we need Instant Replay. I know I say that every game, but that doesn’t make it not true. LOL!
How does Boston have 11 hits and only 5 runs? That’s something the Yankees would do. And why isn’t Detroit hitting Wakefield?
Ugh. What the frack was that
fiery argument there Joseph
It wasn’t bad base running. It was a bad call. Abreu’s foot was in first.
Terrible slide, but he was safe
Terrible slide, but he was safe
Kennedy done for the night
7 1/3IP 1H 0BB 8K
89 pitches
58 strikes
Here’s a question – why is it Hughes gets ragged on for pitching between 91-93 mph and is considered a failure because the conception is that he regularly hits 95 – (when he himself never claimed to be a power pitcher hitting 91-93 regularly) but Carmona is considered one of the better pitchers in the league – but also hits between 92-94 mph? Aren’t they both control freaks?
Patrick
What has happened this year besides **?
I had such hopes for this season but will not give up yet because I think the end will be awesome.
Nick asked not to say anything but you should go read episode summaries or something if you have an interest. So far the season has been a lot of dialogue and character development but I’ve loved it. Black market wasn’t up to the standars of the rest of the show but it was still better than most TV out there.
It was risky sending Abreu ’cause that guy in right has a rifle. But he was safe. No doubt.
Bad call. This could’ve been base-loaded 1 out…
Abreu made the right call going for third. There was only one out and he took a chance. If not for a bad call, he is on third. With one out, you take the chance. With none or two, you don’t.
sunny: Carmona has a sinker; Hughes doesn’t (as far as I know, anyway)
Can you please take the potential spoiler BSG talk to another blog or forum?
“Black market wasn’t up to the standars of the rest of the show but it was still better than most TV out there.”
Black Market seemed out of place for the show, but it was still better than most of the TV programs that air today. Anybody watch CSI: Miami lately? It’s so bad, its laughable.
but doesn’t hughes have a better curve?
Rebecca: Well, it is Wakefield after all…when it comes to knuckleballs, who can expect anything?
spoiled melk that time
I hate it when Melky swings at balls that he has no chance of reaching. Cano does the same thing.
A-Rod is supposed to start doing baseball stuff tomorrow. He’s probably on his way to Tampa, or already there.
Sunny,
Zero. Mainly because he isn’t on the 40 man roster and they would have to release someone to put him on the roster. They don’t want to do that right now.
Kennedy done for the evening. 7 1/3 scoreless baseball. 0 walks, 1 HBP, 8k’s. 89 pitches/58 strikes. Outstanding.
“ER
May 6th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Tigers = awesome.
With the way things are going, I bet we’ll get swept by them again.”
It comes out – ER is a Tigers’ fan. There’s no question that he’s just a troll.
Does anyone else keep getting this Sham Wow commercial? After seeing it 50 times, I am seriously considering buying it. I wont even have to buy paper towels anymore.
WOW I know Kennedy made a statement tonight
BUT LOOK AT MCCUTCHEN
7.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K’s
GO/AO 11-6
do they dare stretch him out
J-Tab is 1 for 3 w/ a BB 8 for his last 15 since suspension
McCutchen also done after 7 1/3. Gave up 1 run (gave up a HR) 4 hits, 2 BB, 4K’s. He is leading 5-1.
JB Cox now in for Trenton.
It was bad baserunning. The pitcher could not throw a strike. Hideki got a hit on a 2-0 count, right after Abreu walked on 4 pitches I think. We had him on the ropes and we just gave him a free out. That’s horrible.
figures… that’s too bad. McC is really raking. Is there any standard translation of AA performance to MLB performance?
I take it back. A-Rod’s right there.
Sorry Nick! It won’t ruin anything – much.
I know they are building up to something good.
SO say We all!
Who is pitching the game for DET? Whomever it is, he sucks!!
right on cue, they show Arod
a-rod is in the dug out right now
WTF was that Jetes !
“And why isn’t Detroit hitting Wakefield?”
Because he isn’t wearing pinstripes. The Tigers have joined the Angels and Orioles as Boston’s designated bitches.
I, like everyone would love to get a look at the “Cutch”, deep down hoping to get the special Joba goosbumps from last year.
With that said Igawa has to get another look. He cost too much $$ not to try and right the ship and see what we can make out of him.
Maybe I have higher hopes for Kei because the first game i saw him pitch in last year was the 6 innings of shutout against the Red Sox. So deep down i still feel he has it in him to be productive.
By the way, i kinda like Cutch or the Cutch as his nickname. I mean imagine the back cover headline combos that are possible. Cutchtastic, Cutchrific,Cutchlicious, you just benn Cutchified!
What say you all?
Horrible throw. The Yankees are itching to give this game away.
I still say a real first basemen scoops that up.
Zito heading back to rotation without having made any relief appearances
Pedro he was safe, it’s bad to make the 1st out at 3B but that wasn’t the 1st out in the inning
good throw… oy.
Eric – yeah, it’s really weird because i’ll be watching shows on it and all of a sudden you see a commercial for the White Sox/Cubs – really weird to see every time…. and on top of that, you don’t see Yankees/Mets commercials together so it’s just weird lol
“McCutchen also done after 7 1/3. Gave up 1 run (gave up a HR) 4 hits, 2 BB, 4K’s. He is leading 5-1.”
perfection ruined probably was on his curveball ?
“JB Cox now in for Trenton.”
can’t wait
All Detroit’s starters suck. Except for Verlander but he’s having a bad year so.
We are good when are starters go 6..
Nice recovery by Andy from the bad inning =)
“I still say a real first basemen scoops that up.”
and I still say a real SS makes a better throw
but Andy..gets out of it ..so no biggy
Jensen Lewis for 2 innings again?
ahhh..there you go andy!
Butch,
I think were suffering from Cutchlash…
(Cue Jerry O’Connell on guitar…. “Cutchlash….. cutchlashhhh… cutchlash,cutchlash,cutchlashhhh”)
Whew! No score off of the error.
“Pedro he was safe, it’s bad to make the 1st out at 3B but that wasn’t the 1st out in the inning”
Yeah yeah, never the make the first or last out at 3B, I know. But look at the situation. We had the pitcher on the ropes, Giambi had just missed an opposite-field HR by a few feet, and he was due up next. It was a bad choice to try for third, even though he should have been safe.
Way to pick up the captain Andy!!! Exactly what we needed out of him tonight.
Minky would have caught it.
Nothing wrong with Abreu going for third. Good, hard baseball. Make the other team make a play.
when did wells show up jeter?? i remember hearing about it but i never saw it. is there a clip of that?
Gonzo would have hit his chest
“Ryan Roberson flies into double play, left fielder Colin Curtis to shortstop Ramiro Pena to first baseman Cody Ehlers. Maxwell Leon doubled off 1st.”
to get doubled at 1B Colin must have made an amazing dive, jump or something, either that or the 1B runner is an idiot
Pete – you don’t like Krazy Kyle!!
Look at that lazy swing. Almost careless.
has Bet K’d tonight ?
uh oh betemit batting from the wrong oops right side.
If Shelley was playing first, that ball would have found his glove just to hide.
What do you think…Two more starts for Ian
I see that BeteStrikeOut is still an automatic out.
Tino would def. have caught it
“Look at that lazy swing. Almost careless.”
Rafy isn’t an easy swing for any lefty and Cano has an RBI in his last 2 games, que tu problema
out of all of Kennedy’s numbers tonight, which were obviously great, I think the most important one is zero walks. That means he went after the hitters and he attacked the strike zone. He challenged them and gave up only one hit.. hopefully he can continue with the good command and get that confidence back.
Cone as always sane in his commentary on Kennedy, where all Kay could do is try to push his “agenda” that Ian just wants to pitch to aaa batters. Poor Cone he spends half the night clarifying and correcting Kay’s shallow insights.
“has Bet K’d tonight ?”
No K’s for him tonight yet, actually
Key Igawa, we don’t deserve that.
“and I still say a real SS makes a better throw”
Oh, no doubt. Jeets made a bad throw, but it’s nice when your teammates can pick you up. Giambi couldn’t do it, but Andy did so it’s all good.
are they doing the wave again?
I wonder what Andy is upset about.
Jorge looks so bored talking to Pettitte… he had that “pleaseeeee stop talking” face
I wonder if he’s complaining about Molina. Hmmm. I doubt it, but you never know.
“Rafy isn’t an easy swing for any lefty and Cano has an RBI in his last 2 games, que tu problema”
I know he isn’t, but hey, even his hit would have been an out had the infield been playing on normal depth. He doesn’t look right, not yet.
What the heck is going on in the crowd??
How could Andy air out his laundry to Molina? Poor guy is at the plate aand focusing on a quality ab.
Laura true.
Anyway I say Kennedy needs to make 3 more starts in AAA he needs to learn the lesson it’s either AAA or ML for you and I’d keep my eye on McCutchen if I were the Yankees FO, the guy keeps on making solid starts.
I missed it – what happened with Andy and Jose/Jorge?
Kay should be fired. He’s taken a step back since going to TV. Should have stayed on the radio with Sterling.
Brandon:
correction
Keep my eye on the Cutch.
c’mon I got $$ laid out in t-shirts guy.
Cutch
Cutch
Cutch
Cutch
live it learn it be it
Pete I heard Wilson’s pink eye returned.
I see that Zito is back in the SF rotation. What kind of demotion was that? It lasted less than a week.
Central CT Yankee
Probably the moron bandwagon fans doing the wave.
I think Kennedy is in AA for the rest of May.
After Igawa’s start on Friday, they only need a 5th starter for 2 more starts in May.
Kennedy has to stay in AAA for a minimum of 10 days, unless there is an injury.
It seems to make sense to keep him in AAA through the rest of the month and then see what happens.
Jax – don’t wish John Sterling on anybody lol
Rishi – nothing really happened – Molina was batting and Andy was just having a conversation with Jorge, it really didn’t look like much. He then started talking to Rob Thompson about something but we don’t really know much beyond that
No Joba for the 8th?
Pedro I know but
Perez vs LHB in 08′
0.86 GO/AO, 1.26 WHIP, .182 SLG %
You can tell when it’s a pretty nice night for the Yanks. I tried to do a quick skim of some of the posts and what I got out of it mostly was your favorite television programs!
I would have taken Andy out after 6.
Fran, a day to remember will be the first day I ever get a game score prediction right!!!
Zito is back in the rotation already? That was fast
c’mon Andy!
ok – thanks JoeT
I would like to see a few more Yankee runs if possible.
I hope Kei Igawa does himself proud. He sure has the stuff. If only he could harnass it on a regular basis…
“I think Kennedy is in AAA for the rest of May.”
It’s definitely possible but if he keeps pitching like he did tonight it will be tough to keep him there for too long.
damn Andy didn’t want to leave , Farnsy mix that cut fastball
Farnsy in the middle of an inning. Interesting. Great job Pettitte.
Anyone else a little nervous about Farnsy coming in a one-run game?
I mean, he’s been great of late, but even so…
Farnsworth’s history is that he gives you JUUUUUUST enough reason to think he can handle big outs like these, only to disappoint in the end.
Big appearance for him tonight.
Nice strikeout there. Beautiful breaking ball.
This lead doesn’t feel safe with Farns coming in with a man on base. Still, let’s hope for the best.
uh oh…farny roller-coaster time
I’m always nervous with Kyle.
Alrighty. let’s go Krazy Kyle.
They sent zito to the pen and didn’t even have him pitch?
A little, Rebecca. A little.
one pitch -DP
“It’s definitely possible but if he keeps pitching like he did tonight it will be tough to keep him there for too long.”
1 start down there doesn’t prove anything, he needs to be competitive again, that’s why he’s down there and when Alan Horne get reactivated he will finally be put to the test, also w/ Cutch in AA not too far away.
Kyle has a chance for some brownie redemption points 2nite.
Man on in a one run game. If he shute ‘em down that would be pretty good
not nervous about farnsworth at all, he’s not so bad lately, but idk about bringing him in w baserunners.. remember last yr i htink vs baltimore he totally threw away a pickoff attempt and the guy like scored or went to third or st
I can trust Kyle to get the #8 and 9 batters out, right?
This is the first inning since they sent Traber down where not having a lefty specialist hurts a bit.
You bring in Farnsworth to pitch to Shoppach and Sizemore is on deck.
If they had a lefty specialist, you can go Farnsworth to Shoppach, then go to the lefty specialist to get Sizemore.
If you need somebody to pitch to Carroll to finish the inning, you can go to Joba for an out.
Let’s hope this works.
com’on Farnsy strand that inherited base runner
Well Fransworth had the day off so he will probaly pitch good today.
If kyle gets stoppach and marte we can save sizemore for joba, right?
SJ: You’re forgetting a batter. Hopefully Farnsy won’t need to face Sizemore.
Just one more, Farnsy.
I can’t believe I’m not nervous at all with Kyle in and runners on. My how things have changed.
very true SJ…. but i’d rather have a good righty against a lefty then a lefty specialist that was having problems getting people out
“Anyone else a little nervous about Farnsy coming in a one-run game?”
I’d be nervous if Cy Young came into a one-run game. Then again, Cy Young lost a looooooooot of games. But yes. Farns = nervous.
jennifer
nah I know the wave…it was probably some drunk!!jennifer
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050810&content_id=1164624&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy
country boy can throw!!
Trisha – send me my membership card to the Kyle Farsnworth fan club!
YES!
It’s amazing how the complexion of the bullpen changes with an effective Farnsworth
YES !
Farnsworthless to —>>>Farnsworthwhile!!!
Wow
I think he could be staying down for the month as well, it does make sense……
Way to go Farnsworth. That is awesome. Hopefully this becomes a regular thing with him.
“They sent zito to the pen and didn’t even have him pitch?”
They decided he was a bad influence in the pen. No one can hear him gripe on the mound.
Time to nail down the win with a Joba-Mo KO.
I guess Joe G knew what he was talking about with Krazy Kyle
So I imagine this is what some of you might be thinking:
So let me get this straight:
Jason Giambi has 2 RBI and Robbie Canò has the current gw rbi, our starter goes into the seventh inning, and Kyle Farnsworth comes in with the tying run on base and gets two straight outs without walking anyone?
What the hell team is this?
I’d be nervous if Cy Young came into a one-run game. Then again, Cy Young lost a looooooooot of games. But yes. Farns = nervous.
What about Walter Johnson?
Fran, weren’t you perspicacious to have jumped aboard the trust Kyle train!
And well I guess there are relatives in every family that are always known as the nervous nellies. But we love them anyway, don’t we?
He he he.
Isn’t it better if some of you just put in your tagline that you get nervous every time Kyle comes in rather than having to say it every game when he comes in? In the alternative, maybe it’s about time you get a little brave and stop with the UNNECESSARY fidgeting? Brave up!!!
And hey have you noticed his ERA and BAA in his last 6 outings?
Oh well.
Giambi gets a hit
Cano gets a hit
Farnsworth gets outs
Who are these people?
What the hell team is this?
The contract year team:)
Could be a very good sign. The way he pitched that last guy, seems like he was getting squeezed (I’m watching Gamecast). 1st pitch was boarderline and he went right back at the spot. Then he throws a strike on 3-1 which the bum couldn’t handle.
Who is this guy and can we keep him?
Rebecca,
Yeah, I forgot about Marte. I’m surprised Wedge didn’t PH Dellucci for Marte. Didn’t understand that move.
Kyle Farnsworth is rewarding Girardi’s trust in him with some solid work out of the ‘pen.
It would be nice to get an insurance run or two. Its tough to keep trying to win these low scoring, one run games.
pat: Omginorite?
Insurance runs, multiple insurance runs. A nice cushion for Joba and Mo to work with.
Pat –
I don’t know if you’ve been reading the newspaper when Farnsworth is in but I can tell you he has been getting many outs…
Maybe we are in the Twilight Zone
i’d like it to stay close for Joba and Mo to throw 2 perfect. I’d like to see Mo keep racking up the saves.
Nice game for Pettitte, great news from AAA about Kennedy’s outing.
just started watching….so Farnsworth certainly is gaining more fans it seems. Good for him.
Farnsy is trying to make us believe in him. If he keeps this up, I just might.
rumors are Alex will go to Trenton on Tuesday, I hope he rubs so wisdome on Curtis, Tabata and Jackson
dammit where is CJ Henry how long is his extended spring camp
Farnsworth definitely has some nasty stuff. It’s nice to see him using it consistently for a change. If he can remain pretty consistent all year he’ll be a force out of the pen.
And hey, if they win this game 3-2, Giambi and Cano won the game. how bout that?
I hope some remembers that i’ve been on the farnsy train for a few weeks now lol. I guess that’s not great since he’s been on the team for a few years but it’s still longer then a lot of other people.
I think the video’s of him beating up people around the bigs really put me over the top lol
The pessimistic voice in the back of ny head just barged in and harshed my Kyle mellow by blurting out:
what if tonight is the night Joba gets raked for two, i mean he is due isn’t he?
AArgh, make the voice stoppppp!!!
i’ve had a lot of frustration with Farnsworth like we all have but i never straight up said i hated him or anything like that. just for the record.
JoeT
And yes you have been there for Farnsy and that needs to be noted. I think someone other than Fran has Farnsied up too. I don’t remember who. Maybe Patrick? There was someone.
Does anybody remember that Fransworth always goes about a month playing pretty good but never plays back to back games and never for two innings.
He will still have a 4Era at the end of the year and might end up as our set-up man in the post-season which would be a disater.
Cox finally allowed a run he got save
****** Breaking News ******
After tonight’s game, despite protests from their manager, Tigers players have come to the unanimous decision to lose the next two games as well, including a possible no-hitter to Buchholz tomorrow.
Rebecca
Omginorite? I don’t know what that means.
Are we really going to be keeping track of who has been on which side of what player for the entire season? Because that’s just ridiculous.
Sorry Trisha
I can’t trust Farnsworth completely until Mel tells me he won’t break my heart.
ER – possible?? they are supposed to be the best offense in baseball this year **on paper**
they’re awful right now
wooo, Giambi made himself mad right there.
Even though the AB wasn’t fruitful, that’s the best AB Giambi has had against a lefty all season.
Unfortunately, too many guys have swung at 3-2 pitches in the dirt tonight. Left a lot of walks out there because of overanxiousness.
Gotta hope Joba and Mo have scoreless innings in them again tonight.
that was except when we play them btw lol
Pat: Short hand for Oh, my g-d, I know, right?
Doreen of course not. It’s easy with Kyle though because NOBODY was on his side except for two other people!
Wait let me guess. You hated Kyle too!!!
he he he
Where did all those bugs come from? Did the Indians bring it with them?
joba, you’re not supposed to hit HIM!
Trisha -
No, I did/do not hate Kyle.
I would have challenged Sizmore with a FB.
The ump didn’t call a strike a strike cause Joba hit him.
That’s really bad pitching right there. You cannot walk Sizemore and do it with a 3-2 slider.
Not a good sequence of pitches and now you have a guy in scoring position.
Poor job by Joba right there. Let’s hope it doesn’t cost him.
should’ve stole 2nd then bunted him to third
then you have 2 chances to a hit/fly ball to get him in or another bunt to tie it up
How great is it that you can hear people banging Freddy’s pan on the radio?
Joba, you have got to throw strikes, man.
Doreen – try
Pat, I would be lying if I said I didn’t at least understand it. I will constantly point out the reality that I do have infinite patience, more than the average bear. I would be crazy to say I couldn’t understand why people would be leery of Kyle based on his past performance. I’m always looking outside the box so my assessments are not likely to be the norm more often than not.
But the interesting thing though is that I always understand why the Yanks will continue to have faith in players that fans start to want to disappear. Maybe it’s being able to still see the talent because of the patience. I don’t know.
The one good thing about having patience is that it really helps keep your stress level down. I’m really happy I have it – that and a great deal of faith! – because it allows me to deal better with Yankee losses.
Wish I could share it just because it’s a kinder way for one to live! (Kinder to oneself that is.)
Not certain about a rokkie pitcher shaking off a veteran catcher three times in the eighth inning
Joba pitching like Farns, Farns pitched like Joba. WTF?!?
I don’t think people hate/hated Kyle.
It’s that some of us didn’t/don’t trust him.
Hell, I trust him about as far as I can throw him. It’s gonna take time for me to trust him.
I am glad that he has been successful lately. But at the same time I close my eyes in fear when he is out there.
C’mon Joba! What is this..the Twilight Zone????
It’s like opposite planet out there…just get out of the inning!
What’s up with Joba’s control today?
Throwing damn strikes!
Damn
Kyle and joba in Freaky Friday ptII
1. Hope that Joba is okay, meaning not hurt.
2. Would Joe bring Mo in to get extra batters out during a Joba inning?
It’s good Joba has confidence with shaking off the catcher but too many breaking pitches. He has a good FB tonight use it.
Pat M,
Agreed. He can’t be shaking him off that much. Frankly, I’d go to Mo here. He’s hurting them right now.
Joba has no command tonight…or something. He’s a better pitcher than this.
Joba is off his game tonight.
I agree – time for mo – can’t risk it
Alright Joba, come on. Get out of this jam.
Thank you Garko!!!
If Dellucci gets on, we’ll se Mo Hopefully it doesn’t come to that.
Former extremely hot looking Yankee coming to bat!
Sorry, I have a thing for baseball players and firemen.
joba seems like he’s trying to mix in a lot of breaking pitches as if he’s practicing for when he’s starting
Oh.
My.
God.
…
…Well, we won’t see Mo now.
Not a good outing for Joba. Maybe we just shouldn’t have him pitch against Cleveland.
Go with Mo vs. our old friend Deluuci
I can’t believe Joba blew this game. It happens but it is surprising.
Oh well off night for Joba. Can’t be great all the time.
Nice call SJ. Totally right first guess about bringing Mo in.
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh
I can’t believe I just saw that.
But, yes, of course, Joba is way too valuable in the 8th inning to ever be a starter.
It was bound to happen eventually.
Maybe it’s a conspiracy…
I never thought I would say this
“Kyle Farnsworth was better than Joba Chamberlain tonight”.
WOW
Well that was so not good
And there goes the 3 game winning streak.
It’s reverse night at Yankee Stadium
Game over and a rookie learns a valuable lesson tonight.
You can’t shake off a veteran catcher and you can’t walk guys in the 8th inning.
Poor job by Joba, cost them the game, and hopefully, he learns a valuable lesson tonight.
Its a humbling game and he got humbled big time tonight with such a poor performance.
Up to Wang to be a stopper again tomorrow night.
Wow that is like a kick in the gut..
I hate to say it but I saw that from a mile away. He was just wild this inning.
who’s up in the next inning? can we get three back/
Did Joba and Farnsy swap uniforms tonight?
AWUUUUGHHHHHH#!)*)_
Give me my 3 hours back…
We are in the Twilight Zone
time for an old fashioned late inning Yankee rally
“The pessimistic voice in the back of ny head just barged in and harshed my Kyle mellow by blurting out:
what if tonight is the night Joba gets raked for two, i mean he is due isn’t he?
AArgh, make the voice stoppppp!!!”
you son of a…
damn, Joba.
that should NOT have happened…
SJ44 –
It was a lousy performance by Joba tonight, but the game is not over yet. They do have 2 more innings to get something going, don’t take it away from them.
I love the quitters who are giving up when we got 2 frames to go.
Good teams respond.
Get those runs back and more!
Let’s go Yankees. C’mon!
I hate to say it but I saw that from a mile away. He was just wild this inning. Walks will always come back and bite ya in the bud.
Seriously, David Delucci? This is just freaky.
Maybe Joba needs some AAA time too.
Who cares how many curves he was throwing. Frankly I would have thought the same if he was throwing too many sliders. Again you can’t throw a 3-2 slider to Sizemore. Challenge with the FB. Can’t take Kay anymore.
SJ: Joba didn’t have it tonight, but our offense still has six outs. Not over just yet.
Teams are getting use to seeing Joba. They are seeing more of him and have a better idea of what to expect.
they can do this…i have faith – what happened to all the optimism out there!
offense grow a pair and get it back
ok it’s rally time lets go!!
Yeah listen: this is the Yankees, nothing is promised. We have a meritocracy going here Joba you’re going to have to go back to AAA and figure it out. Maybe in a couple of weeks if you get your act together you’ll get another shot at the 8th inning.
calm down SJ we still have two licks
Dear Michael Kay,
Please pay attention more. Joba tends to over use his breaking/offspeed pitches when he’s not feeling his fastball. The result is that home run. Someone tell me I’m not the only one who’s noticed this.
Game over SJ44?
How the heck is it game over?
The Indians have, in my opinion, the worst closer in all of baseball. Their bullpen is poor at best so far this year and we have an offense that can EASILY score 2-3 runs with a couple of swings.
And you’re telling me the game is over?
Please.
With the way this offense has performed over the past month, it’s a small wonder why everyone claims the game is over.
From now on, Joba Rules should be: Joba does not pitch against the Indians. Haha, jk.
But… I’m glad Joba realizes he needs to work on his stuff. The starter role is going to be very different! We don’t want him to go to SWB for a month, come back up to NY and stink it up so that he needs to go back down… That would be REALLY bad.
“ER
May 6th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Maybe Joba needs some AAA time too.”
After -one- bad appearance?
Maybe Jeter needs some AAA time too, after that horrid error earlier?
yeah it sucks that joba blew it there, but we’re down by 2 and a lot of you are saying “game over”. the Yanks have 2 AB’s left. give me a break and get a grip. so quick to write them off in a game. 2 runs people.
Yanks are definately starting to hit, albeit not great. But someone a couple weeks ago ragged on those of us expressing our frustration about the teams performance and said they would laugh when May came and the Yankees were on a 10 game winning streak.
Well, they ahve 6 outs left and no pop in their bats. You can’t have a 10-game winning streak when you can’t add runs.
This, tonight, after a day off and a 3 game winning streak are our Yankees for 2008. 89 wins and missing the playoffs.
I saw that from a mile away. You can’t walk the leadoff batter. His control looked a little bit off. For some reason I just knew.
No one is a bigger Negative Nancy here than SJ44. Hes beyond tiresome.
We’re only down by 2 people…we can come back! Let’s go Yanks!
time to roll a hard 6
This team doesn’t score late. Thats all.
Joba looks like he’s going to cry. Poor kid. Nobody is perfect all the time. It happens.
My sincerest apologies to Yankees fans everywhere. Before the 8th inning, I was talking on the phone to my friend Bike Z., and I told him we are guaranteed to win this game with Joba and Mo coming in.
I singlehandedly jinxed the Yankees and for that I am sorry.
One of these guys needs to get on so we have the top of the lineup up in the 9th
He can’t be shaking off Molina. Absolutely inexcusable. Mariano doesn’t shake off Molina.
If I’m Girardi, I tell Joba his days of shaking off Molina are now over.
You throw what the catcher tells you to throw or you can go to Scranton.
Fifth game in the last two weeks they had a lead after 5 and lost. Can’t do that and stay close to Boston.
Boston doesn’t lose games they are ahead after 5. Unfortunately, the Yankees do and that’s the difference between the two teams right now.
Its tough for rookies to learn on the job and he learned a very valuable lesson tonight.
Unfortunately, his ego cost his team the game. If he learns a lesson after tonight, you can live with it.
If he does again, Girardi is going to have to get on his butt bigtime.
C’mon you guys expected Joba to never blow a safe when there’re no midges?
This has happened before and will happen again. And when he’s a starter he’s going to blow leads now and then, you just hope it won’t be often. Coney got it right…he just got beat, plain and simple.
It’s not like the yanks are invincible and everytime something bad happens blame needs to be thrown around and assigned (by blog pundits especially). The other teams compete too, sometimes it’s just to their credit.
Indians have the worse bullpen?
2 broken bats and 4 outs left. You don’t have to be great to silence the Yankees. They will help you on their own.
Wilson betemint man… how bad is it to see him up late and down by two…
sometimes the ball hits the bat. mariano blows saves . it happens. as far as tonight with joba, it’s done. time to forget it, and move on.
that’s what mariano would do.
Here’a a great example of how important the 8th inning can be…it’s only one inning, but what happened in that inning negated all the work that Pettitte did for 6+ innings…
Now tell me that the 7th and 8th innings are not important…
“Yanks are definately starting to hit, albeit not great. But someone a couple weeks ago ragged on those of us expressing our frustration about the teams performance and said they would laugh when May came and the Yankees were on a 10 game winning streak.
Well, they ahve 6 outs left and no pop in their bats. You can’t have a 10-game winning streak when you can’t add runs.
This, tonight, after a day off and a 3 game winning streak are our Yankees for 2008. 89 wins and missing the playoffs.”
D00d, you really are a moron.
95 wins, easy.
Rafael Betancourt is not the worst closer in baseball. He’s tough and they are short guys in the lineup.
Would love to see a comeback but its doubtful.
Mariano throws one pitch for the most part
JZ – good job a-hole! (playfully, i don’t think i can actually be mad at you)
oh come on Molina!
SJ is right, he’s 22 learned a valueable lesson you don’t shake off your catcher, that’s what happened there.
Vicissitudes of the game
On the plus side, less ammo for the Joba as reliever crowd
“Wilson betemint man… how bad is it to see him up late and down by two…”
Obviously not so bad.
A bloop and a blast, except swinging for the fences really will kill a rally. Whats more its jose. You think they regret not scoring more in the first, or the other innings. How important was that diving catch against damon. Wow… you gotta love baseball.
“Here’a a great example of how important the 8th inning can be…it’s only one inning, but what happened in that inning negated all the work that Pettitte did for 6+ innings…
Now tell me that the 7th and 8th innings are not important…”
Tell me how important the 7th and 8th innings are when Igawa pitches :rofl:
Farnsworth’s more than capable of being the 8th inning man.
Hey dynasty what if we had been down 8-3 from our starter getting shalacked? Then how important is your 8th inning? Less important than the other frames.
SJ44, just stop… He blew a save, calm down. Maybe when Girardi says “throw what the catcher tells you to throw or you can go to Scranton” Joba can say “last time I checked I’m not a starter, so I shouldn’t be pitching once every 4 days”.
Anyway, stop whining, it’s just annoying.
I don’t think this team has 95 wins. Not in its present form.
Randy,
No doubt Mariano has blown saves.
Its the sequence that’s frustrating.
A rookie pitcher shaking off a veteran catcher and walking two guys he can’t walk in those situations.
The ball to Dellucci? Well, when you walk guys, that’s always on the table.
I don’t like rookies shaking off veteran catchers. That’s just me. Others have different views on it.
ok – so Damon, Jeter, Abreu & Matsui to get at least 2 runs in the 9th…right now, there is no one else I’d want to see…
The Yankees have the top of their lineup–the guys that have actually been producing–in the ninth inning.
You know what Yogi says.
“Here’a a great example of how important the 8th inning can be…it’s only one inning, but what happened in that inning negated all the work that Pettitte did for 6+ innings…
Now tell me that the 7th and 8th innings are not important…”
can you make sense for once ! what about the the 2 games before that, and the the 3 games where Joba’s fastball didn’t effect the Detroit series, the SP gave you the chance to see the BP when you wanted tonight, instead of when you don’t want it.
Hello Veras
David,
You don’t like what I have to say ignore it. If you think Girardi is happy watching a rookie shake off a veteran, as a former catcher himself, you are dreaming.
Sure, he’s human. No question about it.
But, the sequence in which he failed is something you can’t do. As I said, hopefully, he learned his lesson after tonight.
Has this offense won a game this year in the 8th or 9th inning?
A loss tonight puts us 4 back and heading in the wrong direction – i guess they just might be a 500 team this year.
Maybe Joba didn’t have an SAP button.
meanwhile Gavin Floyd is throwing a no no through 7 so far
Oops. The walks were not a good sign – just looked like he didn’t have much control. Or something. Oh well . . . back in the saddle tomorrow, because it doesn’t look like our boys will win it coming from behind tonight.
The only thing I find inexcusable here is people ragging on Joba. He gave up a 3 run homer? BFD. Get over yourselves. He’s a phenom and you’re nothing more than a poster on a freakin blog. He’s more than earned the right to give up a blast now and then. He’s the reason the fairweathered among you are able to dance up a storm on this forum more often than not.
See ya now.
Fran, we’ll get em tomorrow if we don’t get em tonight. I can’t stand this constant crying when something goes wrong.
And Fran, if I have to join up late, which I might, please keep an eye on the Sux and use the magic words if Chucky Doll Bucholz looks like he’s pitching a PERFECT GAME!
GO YANKEES!!!
FYI – Farns and Joba have the same exact ERA…FREAKY!!!
“SJ44, just stop… He blew a save, calm down. Maybe when Girardi says “throw what the catcher tells you to throw or you can go to Scranton†Joba can say “last time I checked I’m not a starter, so I shouldn’t be pitching once every 4 daysâ€.”
since when is it ok to shake off your catcher when you don’t even have a full year of ML experience ?
I’ve never said anything before but I always noticed him shaking off the catcher and I never liked it. When you’re a rookie go with what the catcher is telling you not what you want. Came back to bite him.
we win this one, watch and enjoy !
“I don’t like rookies shaking off veteran catchers. That’s just me. Others have different views on it.”
Count me as one who does.
The pitcher’s throwing the pitches, not the catcher.
The pitcher gets the reward or the punishment for a good or bad performance, not the catcher.
The pitcher has the final say on what he throws.
trade joba – this is bs. no way you can give up a 3 run dinger to david delluci. can’t anyone ever just do their darn jobs? if everyone on their team just played to 90% of their abilities we would win 95 games. cutting joba or sending him to AAA would send a lesson. get your job done our we will find someone who will. we havent played to our ability in years. the bosox always over achieve and we just can’t get it done. im pissed.
At least Wang will be there for us tomorrow, and Lee’s video game ERA will vaporize.
btw, joba now has the same era has krazy kyle.
Who would’ve thunk it that would be the case in May.
If the hitters had struck out, everyone with 20-20 hindsight would be praising Joba’s confidence…how he acts like a veteran pitcher and shakes off the catcher because he knows his own stuff. Because something bad happened, the hindsight nostradamuses (nostradamii?) are out for blood.
He’s not going to have an 0.00 ERA when he’s a starter either. Most will be ecstatic if (and a big if) it’s even below 3. There’ll be lots of runs, and lots of losses…that’s baseball, folks should deal with it.
Didn’t folks say Mo was done a few years back after all the blown April saves…
D00d, you really are a moron.
95 wins, easy.
Actually I am not Mormon but great assumption I guess.
95 wins, They got swept by the Tigers, lost series to Baltimore, KC, Tampa, have yet to play the Angels who own them. Split with Cleveland, choked a sweep against Chicago. Swept Seattle. Not exactly a 95 win recipe.
Even 19 games against Toronto, Tampa, and Baltimore won’t give them enough to reach 95. Won’t happen.
By the way, why am I am moron for thinking that they will win 6 less games than you?
why the shake-offs and why test the curve in a one run game?
enquiring minds want to know……
put Jones on the case
Just Trisha being Trisha. : D
If your 7th 8th and 9th guys fail, they can spoil all the hard work of the starting pitching…
What’s more important, starting or relief? Obviously it’s not an easy question to answer…
…because it’s a trick question…
You need both to win…there is no other way…
“Has this offense won a game this year in the 8th or 9th inning?
A loss tonight puts us 4 back and heading in the wrong direction – i guess they just might be a 500 team this year.”
Please leave. We’ll see you when they’re in the playoffs, when you’re the ‘best fan ever’. Don’t hurt your butt when you fall off the bandwagon.
oh holy crap i don’t know why i come here and think we can get through a night without people writing off the season if the yankees aren’t winning the game.
i mean really, what was i thinking?
He didn’t blow a save he blew a hold.If he stays in the pen he will have a under 2 Era.
we’re still winning this game
Trisha,
Why don’t you tell David Cone the same thing. He’s still talking about Joba shaking off Molina.
It has nothing to do with one’s fandom.
Its simple baseball strategy. You don’t see rookies shaking off veteran catchers.
You just don’t see it and you certainly don’t see it as much as we saw it in the 8th inning.
If it wasn’t a big deal, a guy who pitched for 15 years in the major leagues wouldn’t be talking about it.
I seem to recall Joba shaking off Posada quite a bit when he first came up last year, and it was played up as beinga good thing because he had the confidence to throw what he wanted. In the end, it is the pitcher’s decision, and Joba isn’t an ordinary rookie. He had an off night, but until it becomes a pattern, I won’t get on him. He’s earned a mulligan or two with all the great work he’s done.
SJ44
You shouldn’t get so stressed out about it. Baseball in its essence is about failure. The Yankees, the most successful team in baseball history has won an obscene 26 world series. That means they haven’t won 76 world series. Relax… every team has its share of blown leads late. Last year at this time, the yanks had blown so many leads late.
“Count me as one who does.
The pitcher’s throwing the pitches, not the catcher.
The pitcher gets the reward or the punishment for a good or bad performance, not the catcher.
The pitcher has the final say on what he throws.”
he doesn’t even have scouting reports on his hitters, Molina is one of the best game callers in baseball Joba can not and should not be shaking him off. He got cocky there and it’s better that it happened now than later on in the season. Mariano in all his years when he first came up never shaked off his catcher, Girardi wure as hell wouldn’t let him get away w/ it.
Notice Veras paying attention to where Molina is calling for it and that’s a scoreless inning.
Brian: You forget this is LoHud.
You people who are saying he doesn’t have the right to shake of the veteran catcher are out of your minds. Like people have said, HE’S throwing the pitches, he knows what he had tonight, HE’S the one who takes the beat from you people if he makes a mistake.
For the love of god, he got beat on a fastball, his best pitch. It happens. 9 times out of 10 the hitter in that situation pops out to Abreu and most of the Joba enthusiast posers would be saying “nice job Joba!”. And if he shook of the veteran catcher and stuck the batter out you’d be saying “What a genius, you have to give him credit shaking him off”.
But yeah, he shook off the veteran catcher so I think they should either send him down OR make him clean the Yankee Stadium bathrooms tonight as his punishment.
Man, Rooks just don’t shake off vet catchers in a close late game…..Molina should have taken a walk out to the mound…Bet your behind Giradi has a little dialog with Master Chamberlain
Nice job by Veras.
Not giving up yet, I think they can pull a win out.
“D00d, you really are a moron.
95 wins, easy.
Actually I am not Mormon but great assumption I guess.
95 wins, They got swept by the Tigers, lost series to Baltimore, KC, Tampa, have yet to play the Angels who own them. Split with Cleveland, choked a sweep against Chicago. Swept Seattle. Not exactly a 95 win recipe.
Even 19 games against Toronto, Tampa, and Baltimore won’t give them enough to reach 95. Won’t happen.
By the way, why am I am moron for thinking that they will win 6 less games than you?”
You’re a moron because -every single time- a bad thing happens, it’s proof that this team sucks and it’s going to miss the postseason and WAAAAAAA WAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAH! (it’s not just you, but you f-ing bandwagon babies really need to grow up).
Man, what were you guys saying last year? The year before?
The Yankees will make the postseason, easily. When ARod’s back, Posada’s back, they’ll go on a groove, pop out 100 runs in two weeks, and bam, they’re back.
In August/September, Boston’s bullpen’ll fall back and they’re 120 win pace will collapse.
All you have to do is make the postseason, the rest is a crapshoot (as a Cardinals’ fan, I thought the 2004 team was much more likely to win it all than the 2006 team).
Guys. Put the White Sox game on, if you can. Eighth inning, sox pitcher is doing something.
The White Sox pitcher has a no hitter going.
“MoBoy May 6th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
He didn’t blow a save he blew a hold.If he stays in the pen he will have a under 2 Era.”
Now I have heard everything! A reliever who blows a lead in a safe situation in the 7th and 8th inning now gets a “blown hold” instead of “blown save”? wow!
dude has a 6.39 ERA…i have faith…
Hey V – sorry but you strike me as someone not very intelligent but wow what a fan you are.
Please do not question what kind of fan i am – but please keep up your smart responses, we can all learn from them.
I’m conflicted, betencourt is on my fantasy team….
C’mon boys… let’s get 3 here!
My rally cap is on! Let’s win this Twilight Zone game!
Why are people upset w/ SJ he’s calling it like he sees it, Joba is still baby in this level, he doesn’t even have scouting reports on his hitters, Molina is one of the best game callers in baseball Joba can not and should not be shaking him off. He got cocky there and it’s better that it happened now than later on in the season. Mariano in all his years when he first came up never shaked off his catcher, Girardi wure as hell wouldn’t let him get away w/ it.
Notice Veras paying attention to where Molina is calling for it and that’s a scoreless inning.
I’m not stressed out about it.
I know this much. Rookies don’t shake off veteran catchers in those situations. They just don’t.
Ask people who have played major league baseball.
Geez, listen to Coney. He’s still talking about it.
Its just something you don’t do.
Hopefully, tonight is a learning experience for him. If it is, he will be better for it in the long run.
a no-hitter with a run…weird…
Rally!!!!!!
I’m wishing Betancourt to the corn field
have to agree with SJ.
Joba shaking off Molina is not good.
If the pitcher knows better what to throw, then why give him signs. Just ask, In, out, up, down.
Nuke gave up a homer becasue Crash got pissed for him shaking off the signs.
We needed our third baseman tonight.
Joba is a human being pitching humanly. Mo has been a human being pitching otherworldly, so I don’t know that it’s any more fair to say Joba is automatic in the 8th than it is to say that Farnsworth is automatic in the 7th.
“If the hitters had struck out, everyone with 20-20 hindsight would be praising Joba’s confidence”
If if were a 5th we’d all be drunk right now.
sj-
all i saw was the home run. reading the comments afterward, i saw, pat m. saying he thought there was too much shaking off molina. you’re saying the same thing. i have no doubt you’re both right as cone just said the same thing.
joba still needs to take it as a lesson learned and move on. seeing what looks like tears in his eyes is not what we want to be seeing. he’s got to be tougher than that despite it being his own fault with the shake offs and the bad control.
where’s my post.
“Hey V – sorry but you strike me as someone not very intelligent but wow what a fan you are.
Please do not question what kind of fan i am – but please keep up your smart responses, we can all learn from them.”
I started college at 16. Take that as you will.
Keep whining. I’m sure it makes you feel all good inside.
A bloop and a blast…let’s go Yanks!
“a no-hitter with a run…weird…”
Walk->Error->Runner advanced to 3rd on a fly out (is this also a Sac Fly?)->Sac Fly for the run
2 outs and 2 runs to go.
Dealing with situations like this will teach Joba some valuable lessons as he continues to mature as a pitcher. Every player endures his share of hardships, even the best in their sport. Tiger Woods doesn’t win every tournament, Roger Federer doesn’t win every tournament, and Joba won’t hold every lead. Joba didn’t have it tonight, but night in and night out, ask me who I want on the mound in the 8th inning, setting up Mo with a one-run lead, and Joba’s my pick. He’ll bounce back, rest assured.
Randy,
Its the lessons all young pitchers have to learn. Joba will be better for it in the long run. Its the education of hard knocks.
Well, if we’re all going to compare – I started when I was 6. And holy macaroni that was a crazy long time ago… too long for my tastes… as to be young again… but I digress.
1 out and 3 runs to go (2 to tie).
there’s still hope…
Ahh..the irony of the chosen one’s (Joba) era equaling the despised one (Farny).
Wow – we have a genius hanging w/ us.
Please continue to enlighten us with your smarts.
My opinion is what it is and not just b/c Joba gives up a bomb. I think this team does not have the SP needed to win the east and maybe not enough to win the wildcard this year though i am in favor of continuing to go w/ our young kids.
bloop and a blast.
Still looking forward to seeing Joba as a starter, and until then, many more shutdown innings from him. Next on deck: CMW aka “The Stopper.”
ah to be young… see what happens when you get old? type like a monkey.
c’mon yankees…
So I am bandwagon because I see a team not making the playoffs and not winning 95 games and because I express dissatifaction when the team performs poorly.
Basically what you are saying is that if I accept mediocrity from time to time and NOT want them to win every game, I am a bandwangon fan, only wearing my pride when they win.
Fine, I guess. I choose to hold the Yankees to a higher standard than your love for the Royals. Miserable play deserves commenting just as good play deserves commenting. Both expressions represent, dare I say it …. A Fan..
Seriously, don’t be a ass muscle all your life. If you don’t like the negative expression by fans, root for another team. But simply speaking in the same context as George Bush and everything is rosy and if you dont’ agree you are a traitor is just asinine.
by the way, George Bush is currently the President.
ouch. this game hurt.
“Wow – we have a genius hanging w/ us.
Please continue to enlighten us with your smarts.
My opinion is what it is and not just b/c Joba gives up a bomb. I think this team does not have the SP needed to win the east and maybe not enough to win the wildcard this year though i am in favor of continuing to go w/ our young kids.”
I never claimed to be a genius.
I do claim that you’re a fool.
the yanks have not come back yet this yr..
joba should have listened to Molina, he is reading his blogs saying how great he is..
the leadoff walk after numerous offspeed pitches did him in.
the ynaks cannot comeback..
terrible loss..
Oh well, that was depressing.
shame… we’ll get em’ tomorrow.
may god have mercy.
Now 0-15 when trailing after 8 so far this year.
That’s why you can’t give games away with Arod and Posada out of the lineup. An awful loss for sure.
Now its up to Wang to throw a gem tomorrow.
Disappointing loss.
There’s always tomorrow!
Joba should be traded! How dare he be Insubordinate to a veteran back up catcher! You don’t shake your head. I don’t care if his fastball was flat and they would have tee’d off. You don’t shake your head. Trade Joba and make Farnsworth the setup guy!
end game with bat on your shoulders…nice approach! tonight is par for the course so far this season.
Well, Joba was meant to lose one eventually
Should be a great game tomorrow with CMW going for win number 8 against Cliff Lee.
I have to miss it – i’m so dumb – how did I call the first practice for my summer team tomorrow!?! I have no one to blame but myself
What really looms large in this game is the play to rob Damon of a hit and 2 rbi earlier in the game. Tough loss tonight.
The Yankees really need to show a little more fight in these late situations. I thought Abreu was going to work something there. Not in the cards tonight.
Tough lick for a kid that has expierenced nothing but success….He’ll get over it and learn from it….However some of the mebers here just didn’t get it…Rather many decided to nail the messenger ( SJ )…A lesson not only for Joba, a lesson for many of the blogger here…
DFA Chamberlain!!!
3.5 hours of my time…ugh
This is the most depressing loss that I’ve seen this year and probably all of last year that I can remember (regular season).
But we don’t have Alex or Jorge.
Just imagine if we had them in the lineup tonight.
Totally different game.
I don’t care if Joba looks like has tears in his eyes. He’s obviously taking it hard – why is that a bad thing? Hopefully he’ll learn from it, thats all that matters. Most rookies have to learn from adversity.
good try I guess. just a lucky hit off Joba, he’s still a phenomenal pitcher though.
V
Another insightful post! Keep it up – we can all learn something from you.
Farnsworth to the rotation!
Have faith, people…this was just a bump on road…Joba will continue to shut the door in the 7th and 8th when needed…I’m confident of that…
Tonight was a Girardi loss and he really showed his inexperience as a manager in the 8th inning. Joba was wild or had nothing 1 or the other and Torre 100% would of brought in Mo there to get 4 outs. Joba walked 2 guys and was trying to get people out with this 3rd best pitch. Awful pitching by Joba to a pathetic hitter. Dellucci is awful and Joba threw a great pitch to hit. Girardi definitely should of got him out of there. Instead he leaves the greatest closer in the bullpen and the Yanks lose. Joba looked like crap and he really showed his immaturity in that inning throwing an awful breaking ball and not going after guys. He deserved to be pulled and bring in Mo after every thing that Pettitte did to get to the point and then Joba beats himself. Disgusting job by Joba and even worse managing!!
Yeah those lucky ones are always crushed like that. Grow up. He didn’t have it tonight. Bound to happen
Nick Swisher!! Heartbreaker
“DFA Chamberlain!”
I think it’s safe to say he would be claimed immediately.
“Now 0-15 when trailing after 8 so far this year.
That’s why you can’t give games away with Arod and Posada out of the lineup. An awful loss for sure.
Now its up to Wang to throw a gem tomorrow.”
And they’re now 15-1 when leading after 7.
:shrug:
and then he’ll go to the rotation in mid June -mid July
Also is this team EVER going to come back in a game or even show a pulse late in the game? Betancourt has been awful this year and like usual they go down 1,2,3.
I like it when young pitchers shake off their catchers – it shows that they have confidence. Phil shook Jorge off in his debut last year and I think he did it against the Rangers as well – those are two examples I can recall- and that to me was fun to watch. Did you guys dislike Phil shaking Jorge off then? If not, then is it just the results that are annoying? I really am not sure what to think about Joba shaking off Molina……given what I said above, I guess I should have liked it. Still, 3 times?
Why not have Mariano warming up with the guy on second? I understand Joba is great, but Mariano is the best EVER. Plain and simple. Sometimes you just dont have it. Joba just did not have it. If Im manager, I would have got Mo up when Joba walked the leadoff guy.
dynasty… he’ll eventually shut the door from the first through the 7th of 8th lol
I can’t really be too mad about today, it’s not like they played bad… Joba, one of our best pitchers didn’t have it today. It happens to every one.
Giambi hit the ball to left-center, had 2 RBI’s because he beat out a ground ball
Cano got an RBI hit
Matsui was 3-3
Pettitte limited the damage in his one off inning and pitched great outside of that
Farnsworth was lights out
a lot of positives out of tonight’s game
Man, I love it when the bandwagon babies come out. The usual suspects can always be counted on to come out whining after a Yankees loss. They win three in a row? Nowhere to be seen. Lose one? Everywhere.
“He deserved to be pulled and bring in Mo after every thing that Pettitte did to get to the point and then Joba beats himself. Disgusting job by Joba and even worse managing!!”
good observation but in letting him there Girardi taught the kid a lesson, listen to your catcher next time.
No hitter broken up.
No worries Pat M. I could care less what people think. Just calling them as I see them. David Cone, a guy who has pitched a “little” agrees with my take. Unpopular as it may be for some not well versed in baseball strategy.
Runs are going to be tough to come by with Cano and Giambi both hitting under .200 and Arod and Posada out of the lineup.
If you are going to lose, you have to be beaten. Not give the game away.
Tonight was a giveaway game and an education for a young pitcher.
Yes, it happens. However, the Yankees are going to have to limit these lessons in the next month.
Oh well, gotta win the next two and win this series. Series wins are a must right now.
Ahhh.. blamegoat scapegoat time at Lohud Yankees.
This team scores early in the game and they don’t score after that.
Score early and hope to hold the lead the rest of the way.
“Tonight was a Girardi loss and he really showed his inexperience as a manager in the 8th inning. Joba was wild or had nothing 1 or the other and Torre 100% would of brought in Mo there to get 4 outs. Joba walked 2 guys and was trying to get people out with this 3rd best pitch. Awful pitching by Joba to a pathetic hitter. Dellucci is awful and Joba threw a great pitch to hit. Girardi definitely should of got him out of there. Instead he leaves the greatest closer in the bullpen and the Yanks lose. Joba looked like crap and he really showed his immaturity in that inning throwing an awful breaking ball and not going after guys. He deserved to be pulled and bring in Mo after every thing that Pettitte did to get to the point and then Joba beats himself. Disgusting job by Joba and even worse managing!!”
This has to be one of the least thought-out, least intelligent posts I’ve ever seen.
You’re posting based on passion and emotion and not on reason.
We lost tonight. We’re at .500. We are doing much better than last year at this same point with similar pitching problems. Joba blew a save and got the loss tonight. He’s not perfect. He also wasn’t pitching “pathetically” and Delucci, though not a great hitter, is not a “pathetic” one.
Once Alex is back, things will come a lot easier.
Did Cone opine as to why all the curveballs?
Dear Joba, Phil, and Ian,
Stop being garbage. Why couldn’t you pitch more like Buchholz?
The White Sox should trade Gavin Floyd! I bet he shook off his catcher and that’s why he lost the no hitter!
How about Joba for Barry Zito?
Joba was bound to have a rough outing sooner or later. It would have been nice to see the well paid veterans bail him out with a couple of runs. What ever happened to come from behind wins?
I have a question for every single person here who said Joba shouldn’t shake of the veteran catcher: where were you “advocates” (lol) in every single game Joba pitched in this year and last year advocating him not shaking off the catcher? A select few might try to pretend they’ve never seen him do it before, but for the most part, the majority of the people here have the attitude: you can only shake the catcher off when you don’t plan on giving up a homerun. What kind of crap is that? You can’t tell him to “sometimes” (like practically every inning he pitches) shake off the catcher and strike out 2 batters per inning, but then the times when he’s planning on blowing the game, no shaking off the catcher. So again I ask, where were all the “Joba should be sent to Scranton if he shakes off the catcher” advocates before today?
The only problem is that the red sox can sleepwalk into wins – we need to keep close until the team is whole and this (obviously) didn’t help…
I have faith – I would just be really upset if there were no Yankees post season in the stadium’s final year.
I am looking forward to hearing what Joba has to say.
This one hurt, but we do have Wang going tomorrow night.
This team really makes baseball painful. We have to come to grips with the fact that the Red Sox simply have a better team than the Yankees. If this team finishes with more than 81 wins, I’d be shocked. The bottom of their line up is horrendous, and their offense usually takes the last 5-6 innings of the game off. Where was Rivera to pitch to Dellucci?
“Man, Rooks just don’t shake off vet catchers in a close late game…..Molina should have taken a walk out to the mound…Bet your behind Giradi has a little dialog with Master Chamberlain.”
pat m.
i couldn’t agree more on all three points. even joba has to remember he’s a rookie.
it goes without saying girardi is going to have a talk with him about shaking off molina so many times. once he does, i’ll bet he ends the conversation with something to the effect” let’s move on. it’s in the past”.
there’s no best time for joba to learn these lessons, but tonight , with so may things going wrong this past week, was definitely not the time for joba to out of character act like a rookie.
it hasn’t been a good week for the rookies.
Peering into the future
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and with THAT…good night, ALL !
“Did Cone opine as to why all the curveballs?”
seriously IMO only my opinion here NOT a FACT but he wants to be starter, he doesn’t have to throw the curve there but he wanted to. And Molina was shaken off atleast 3-4 times, he learned a lesson tonight end of story. He’s always liked mixing all his pitches and he has the SP instincts.
Don Vito…. lets go with that
myrtle beach you are clueless.. girardi gets the loss, really Mariano is suppose to get 5 outs all the time.
the loss is on Joba, should listen to his catcher, not be so cute…that pitch was not inside but it was right over the plate, it was a 95 MPH meatball to a dead pull hitter,
this is all on Joba.. Jobs show some humility and listen to your vet catcher…
joba must be reading what all these young foolish groupie know nothing fans are saying..
Joba use your head….
“No worries Pat M. I could care less what people think. Just calling them as I see them. David Cone, a guy who has pitched a “little†agrees with my take. Unpopular as it may be for some not well versed in baseball strategy.”
SJ44, I like you. I think you’re usually one of the more reasonable voices here.
But, huh?
‘baseball strategy’?
How is shaking off your pitcher or not ‘baseball strategy’?
Cone just said that Molina DID take trips out to the mound, as did Eiland. Just not Joba’s night. Maybe he has allergies, for cryin’ out loud, and the decongestant fogged his head.
Relax, Jax. You thought I was serious?
David,
You don’t understand what we are talking about.
You play the game according to game situations.
The home run didn’t beat him. The walks did. The walks extended the inning that put the HR into play and limited his options on the mound. The walks came from shaking off Molina too much.
When you have a one run lead and you are at 3-2 to the leadoff hitter, you don’t throw your second best pitch, after shaking off the catcher. You get beat, if you get beat at all, with your best pitch.
You don’t shake him off, throw the slider, and walk the leadoff hitter.
You do it, ok, lesson learned. He ended up doing it again. That’s why Molina came out so many times.
Its not how you play the game.
I mean, geez, listen to David Cone. He picked up on it right off the bat.
Its not how you play to game situations. Joba didn’t do it that time.
If you don’t think its an issue, than why are people like Cone and others on this blog, some of whom played professional baseball (like Pat M.) bringing it up?
Its just not something that is common in those situations. Not with a rookie anyway.
Its just a learning experience for Joba.
Let’s see how many times he shakes off the catcher in his next appearance. I bet its not nearly as much as tonight.
“seriously IMO only my opinion here NOT a FACT but he wants to be starter, he doesn’t have to throw the curve there but he wanted to. And Molina was shaken off atleast 3-4 times, he learned a lesson tonight end of story. He’s always liked mixing all his pitches and he has the SP instincts.”
No. This has happened before. He overuses his other pitches when he’s not feeling his fastball.
Thanks Brandon-
let’s see if that plays out
Beware Randy 1, It’s not the most popular stance this evening…..
V,
As I said in the above post, the catcher runs the game. That’s how its done. Joba can’t shake him off so much and get beat on his second and third best pitch. Especially when it didn’t work with Sizemore.
To continue to do it after the Sizemore AB? That’s what some of us are talking about.
The HR isn’t the issue. The walks are the issue and that’s what killed him tonight.
He’s a kid, he gets amped up, and he gets ahead of himself.
Its a lesson learned and I doubt Joba will make the same mistake again.
There’s no question he will get over it.
Its like the old saying goes, “youth is wasted on the young”.
I just wished his lesson curve didn’t include the loss tonight.
In the long run, he will be better for it.
Joba should’ve just gone with the heater and the slider…what’s with the curve balls? If it’s as someone above stated, to show his SP skills, c’mon we don’t need him to start…
I mean be patient, for crying out loud, Kei Igawa is on the way!
I totally agree that Joba’ll be fine.
And I do think that he shouldn’t have been shaking off his catcher when he was failing doing what he wanted to do.
But I don’t want the pitchers, even rookies, feeling hamstrung by what the catcher wants. I have to think this is an organizational development issue (they -want- the young pitchers to take ownership of their pitches).
Dynasty
I was ok with this loss, I still think there’s a lot of positives to take out of today’s game
Then you mention Kei Igawa.. now I feel sick to my stomach
myrtlebeachfan: Why is it not intelligent because it is the truth?! There was no reason for Mo not to be in the game at that point. Joba was scared to throw his fastball for some odd reason and he had nothing out there. 2 walks and 2-0 to the next batter and he was throwing his 3rd best pitch not going after the batters, he either had nothing or was pathetic..you pick which one. It was immature of Joba because he was not changing anyone out there. By the way Dellucci is not a good player or hitter.
SJ44, did you even read what I wrote? I’m not saying he should or shouldn’t shake the catcher off. I’m saying that YOU have no right to say he shouldn’t be allowed to shake off the catcher when he looses a game, but when he dominates and shakes of the catcher and throws his second best pitch (he throws the slider ALL the time in 3-2 counts, that’s the kind of pitcher he is) and strikes out the side you can’t come along and say “nice job Joba”. It’s either or. He either feels comfortable shaking off the catcher or he doesn’t. That’s who he is. I quote Girardi “he missed some locations”. That’s what happened… Girardi sees, unlike you, that Joba is such a great pitcher because he feels confident shaking off the catcher and he knows what he can throw. From what I saw, his best pitch, fastball, the one he was reluctant to throw, was hit into the right field stands… He got beat with it. Maybe he wasn’t feeling the fastball? Something to think about. If he shakes of Molina some more and throws some off-speed pitches the result couldn’t have been much worse, maybe he would have gotten a weak ground ball. The bottom line is he trusts himself and that’s what makes him special.
And Girardi said he “almost wanted to give him a hug”. So much for your punishment and Scranton threat… And Girardi said Molina went out to the mound to change the signs.
V,
If they wanted him to shake off Molina, Eiland would have never gone to the mound.
The one thing nobody wants to do is get beat with your second and third best pitches. The walks, all coming after 2 strikes were on hitters, came from him shaking off Molina and going with sliders and curveballs when Molina wanted fastballs.
Its one of those things that happens, a player learns from it, and you move on.
Its one of those things Joba will salt away in his memory bank and be better for it.
Well…Joba can’t be perfect thats asking too much…yes it hurts this loss but it doesnt kill us because it is so early.
JoeT,
You never know…Igawa might surprise some people…weren’t you surprised last year when he pitched well against Boston?
At some point, the Yankees have to miss the playoffs. I’d say this looks like the year. Yes, last year looked this way too, but this year is turning out to be a nightmare.
David,
What are talking about? I don’t have the right to say it?
What are you 12 years old? Its a blog and we give opinions on here. Who are you to tell anybody what opinion they can or can’t give?
Do you really think Joe Girardi is going to go public with what he tells Chamberlain?
Read what I said. I said if he CONTINUES to shake off the catcher in other games, Girardi will get in his grill.
If you don’t think its an issue, even though folks on this blog who are former ballplayers see it as such, fine. We can agree to disagree.
Don’t make the mistake of believing what a manager says publicly is what he is telling his players. Especially a guy like Girardi.
Joba’s going to be fine, I think.
To me the worst part of this loss is that Betancourt and Perez once again owned us. We just cannot hit them. Other teams have found a way to get to them., but not us. Sad. We really don’t need another team like the Angels that we roll over for.
I s#!T a brick after that game lol
but yeah, obviously I hope he keeps his off-speed pitches LOW where they’re supposed to be. He can be effective if he does that but nothing is worse then his belt-high curveball that gets crushed out of the ball park.
What did he say on the postgame show? I don’t get it.
Honestly, if the team doesn’t want young pitchers shaking off their catchers, this is an organizational problem.
I happen to disagree. Of course, I have had nothing to do with the professional baseball fraternity.
A question for my esteemed posters on the board here:
What do you think the chances are of Carl Pavano coming back and making a differnce this year?
Anybody hear anything through the grapevine?
Good point rconn. Somehow Boston and other teams tee off on these pitchers, but our hitters didn’t do anything after the fourth inning. Tough to win when you score 3 a game.
“What did he say on the postgame show? I don’t get it.”
your not suppose too
“Get over yourselves. He’s a phenom and you’re nothing more than a poster on a freakin blog.”
I’m not sure I get the logic of that. Doesn’t that apply to every comment that every one of us makes about every single MLB player, not to mention AAA, AA, A, and below?
Blog poster, heal thyself.
I will say that Pepper Brooks did make a strong play for the goofiest post of the night with his GWB comments.
And Dynasty, it’s a little funny for you to argue that Joba blowing the game in the 8th is proof of how important the 8th is, thus Joba must only pitch the 8th so that Joba doesn’t blow any more games in the 8th… you get the idea.
You still haven’t answered my question about where you were when he shook off the catcher in every other game this season when he got the job done. You have the right to say it, but not without looking like a complete hypocrite.
Also, maybe Girardi doesn’t tell the truth all the time, but now Joba has resorted to lying? He clearly stated that him and Molina were on the same page and just mixing up the signs. But I guess you know more about the pitcher and catcher relationship than Joba, or otherwise you’ll have to call him a blatant liar because he did state that there was no debate on the pitch selection. I think it’s clear enough at this point (Girardi, Joba, Murcer, Pettitte) that Joba doesn’t need to change the way he pitches.
“A question for my esteemed posters on the board here:
What do you think the chances are of Carl Pavano coming back and making a differnce this year?
Anybody hear anything through the grapevine?”
Mop up man, if anything, I hope.
Nick com’on your going to confuse him
“Yes, last year looked this way too, but this year is turning out to be a nightmare.”
It’s a nightmare and they’re at .500 and right in the thick of the playoff race? And there are over 125 games left to play and it’s a nightmare? LMAO.
When did you start watching baseball, last week?
Gotta love that special brand of circular logic that some people possess. It gets confusing if you’re not in the circle though.
Brandon,
I asked what he said on the postgame because I am not fortunate enough to get to see it. I have Extra Innings, and they cut me off at the end of the game. So I asked politely for someone to let me know. That’s all.
“Other teams have found a way to get to them., but not us. Sad. We really don’t need another team like the Angels that we roll over for.”
They’re rolling over for the Indians even though they are 2-3 against them this year?
Nick in SF,
No actually, it’s the exception that proves the rule…
The one time he blows it in the 8th we see how vital that role is…but this was just an anomoly…I fully expect that he will go back to business as usual…
I agree you can’t keep shaking off the catcher. You cannot get beat with you second or third pitches. I have seen Joba shake off the fastball on 3-2 and throw the slider and he has struck people out. The thing is he throws 97 on the black. Nobody will hit it if you locate it. If they do you tip your cap.
“we as yankee fans have accepted way too much failure for the better part of the last decade.”
Over the last decade? What are you talking about? The last decade includes the past ten years doesn’t it? In 1998/99/2000 they won the championship. They also haven’t missed the playoffs in 14 years.
If that’s failure then what the hell are the Pittsburgh Pirates?
Alright, who needs a beer? Or maybe some whiskey?
Angel he denied not being in sync w/ Molina even though it was clearly evident he was, fact is he called his own pitch and got the 2 BB because of it, he wanted slider/curve for strike 3, Molina signaled fastball 3-4 times he shook him off and then the Dellucci HR was just bad luck. They aren’t going to admit not being in sync but you could tell they weren’t and it was more Joba being cocky calling his game ala Maddux instead of listening to his catcher. He’ll learn from this and I hope he breaks that habit.
Angel,
Joba said there was no problem with Molina, that they were on the same page. He said he was more upset about letting down his teammates, but that he’ll go back out there tomorrow and do his job. Said the walks were bad; the pitch to Delucci wasn’t exactly where he wanted it to go, but Delucci is a good hitter and you have to give him credit.
He sounded less upset than he looked immediately after the HR, and he also said he has the best in the game to learn from. His attitude is a good one, and so I don’t think they’ll be any lasting effects. He also said he thought his hands were separating or something like that – he didn’t have it tonight.
That’s not word for word, but in a nutshell, that was what he said.
If anything we have been spoiled with success
Sj, you really have a lot of great things to say but when you make comments like this:
“What are you 12 years old? Its a blog and we give opinions on here. Who are you to tell anybody what opinion they can or can’t give?”
I just shake my head.
Joba Chamberlain knows his stuff better than anyone else and Joba Chamberlain will throw what he thinks he needs to throw in any situation. Sure, Molina is a great veteran catcher, but if he had a problem with being shaken off, he would have come to the mound to talk to Joba about it.
Joba’s hard curve and hard slider are excellent pitches and his fastball is also excellent. Throwing all three keeps hitters off-balance, and when he’s having trouble locating his fastball and WALKING PEOPLE WITH IT, he needs to sometimes throw different pitches that he feels he can better locate.
Joba needs to make his own decisions out there. Catchers and pitchers have their game plans for hitters, but to say that catchers actually run the game is not true.
The catcher and the pitcher work together and it’s every bit the pitcher’s effort as it is the catcher’s. The catcher has to trust that Joba is choosing the right pitch. You cant tell me that Jose Molina knows better what pitch Joba should throw than himself.
He wasn’t throwing curves just to throw them and be rebellious. He was throwing them because he wasn’t sure he could locate his fastball.
Should Mo have been brought in? Yes, in my opinion, but what message does that send to Joba? That he can’t be trusted if he gets into a little trouble? He did have one out and could have gotten a groundball or struck out the next two hitters to end it. Delucci? Nobody expected that to happen.
Goodnight all.
“Beware Randy 1, It’s not the most popular stance this evening…..”
pat-
thanks for the warning, but i don’t think being popular is a goal i’m after. the biggest problem many on the blog have is they’ve played so little baseball that they have no idea about the unwritten rules of pitchers shaking off catchers.
there’s no set rules so it makes it kind of hard to go to baseball prospectus or some other source and look it up. it’s really who knows the most who calls the pitch. a rookie catcher is going to go along with a veteran pitcher, but a veteran catcher is not going to let a rookie pitcher shake him off often.
joba is so good he gets a little more leeway, but still ,he’s a rookie. i doubt if varitek gets shook off very much from buchholz. on the other hand if cash, their rookie catcher tried to make beckett do what he wanted, i don’t think he’d get far.
no way is it simply the pitcher’s call. baseball just doesn’t work that way.
Do you remember the Arod AB when buchholz shook off veritek and then gave up a single on the next pitch because he doubled up curves. Veritek stared out to the mound with the look of death like dont do it again..
SJ44: Your insights are invaluable and highly educational.
Thanks Doreen, that was a great recap. I appreciate it.
I think he’ll be just fine too. That which doesn’t kill you makes you stronger after all. I wish he didn’t have to learn the hard way with object lessons like tonight, but I think he’s the kind of person that doesn’t back down in the face of adversity either.
Just imagine how fortunate we are to have such a devastating 1-2 punch in Joba and Mo
…imagine it’s the late innings in October…
Kei Igawa has turned in a brilliant performance but runs into trouble with 2 outs in the 7th…
Are we worried?
Of course not-we’ve got Joba and Mo!
Let’s go Yanks!
pat m-
i just though of all the clashes posada and el duque had over pitch selection. this example better than anything illustrates how it’s not always so obvious who should make the final call. posada practically came to blows with el duque at times.
do all those who think it’s up to the pitcher think posada was wrong here?
will Dynasty cry when he finds out Joba will be put into the rotation ?
Exception to the rule?
What rule has been excepted when the starter didn’t make it out of the 3rd inning and the Yanks are down 8-3 when the 8th inning rolls around?
Joba’ll be fine. This was not his lucky day!
Wang vs. Cliff Lee tmw. Another tough game.
Dynasty, your sarcasm is amusing me.
Joba does belong in the rotation and there are few who feel otherwise. The guy challenges hitters with sheer confidence in his stuff.
It’s the lack of confidence that has stopped pitchers like Kennedy and Hughes from being as good as they could have been this year.
What bugs me the most is that there is even a debate about whether or not he should be in the rotation or bullpen. If he does well in the rotation, it’s a no brainer.
That’s like choosing whether you want Roger Clemens for his whole career or K-Rod for his. You choose Johnson 1000 times out of 1000.
Girardi keeps playing with the lineup and putting it together as a NL lineup. He keeps going with Giambi at first and aside from his poor hitting he is a poor fielder.
I thought the managers job was to work to put the best lineup out there.
When it came to two on and two outs it looked like Girardi finally grew a brain and was going to call on Mo to come in to get the last 4 outs. Then he stopped right at the steps. Joba was not doing well with selecting his pitches. The Sizemore walk was bad enough, but that could have been dealt with. He didn’t challenge Peralta once with a fastball after all those curve balls that weren’t hitting their spot.
I am tired of hearing how the Yankees are in better shape than last year. It doesn’t mean anything because they are still not doing all that well. They can’t stay over .500.
This game could have been won with a little better management.
The only plus side to this is it gives the Red Sox fans something more to cheer about. Oh wait. That isn’t a plus, is it.
“What rule has been excepted when the starter didn’t make it out of the 3rd inning and the Yanks are down 8-3 when the 8th inning rolls around?”
didn’t you see Pettitte in tears because he couldn’t pitch the 8th inning, he would have gladly traded those 6 innings to Igawa if he could pitch the 8th.
A bigger problem then Joba is the non hitting of the team and the clutch hitting which is no where to be found. The announcers were just going over how bad Betancourt has been this year and Damon and Jeter were the easiest outs in the 9th inning. Being without Posada and Arod had nothing to do with the 9th because it was the top of the lineup and not the scrubs at the bottom. It is just sooo pathetic watching this team go down 1,2,3 in so many innings especially after the 7th inning. After Joba blew the game you knew the game was over, the team has to show alittle more fight in there at bats.
myrtlebeach person…..Joba has not many more apperences as Molina has seasons under his belt….And yes, Molina knows better at this stage of his very short career what will work and what will not….And certainly not throwing your bread and butter pitches in the 8th of a one run game is a recipe for disaster….I think he rattled on the 2-2 fastball on the outside that he didn’t get the call on vs. Grady Siezmore….It went south after that…..
myrtlebeachfan
He’s only proven himself in relief…anything beyond that is speculation…
Perhaps he would be a great starter but they should’nt have let him relieve in the first place in that case…
He’s too valuable in that role…don’t worry about tonight…he’ll be back to being Joba soon enough…
sooo… how bout that sidney ponson…
“He’s only proven himself in relief…anything beyond that is speculation…”
jesus christ shut up already
Dynasty, it’s one thing to argue that Joba SHOULD stay in the bullpen, but you seem to be ignorant about the reality that the organization –ownership and the front office — is pretty committed to moving Joba into the rotation. You should keep that in mind before you fantasize too much about Joba being Mr. 8th Inning for the full season.
“myrtlebeachfan
He’s only proven himself in relief…anything beyond that is speculation…
Perhaps he would be a great starter but they should’nt have let him relieve in the first place in that case…
He’s too valuable in that role…don’t worry about tonight…he’ll be back to being Joba soon enough…”
They put him in relief so they could give him work in the majors without overworking him.
“sooo… how bout that sidney ponson…”
He’s awesome. His one year break seems to have worked wonders.
Brandon,
You just might have to accept the fact that Joba could be in the bullpen the whole year…it’s possible…
but don’t worry, I’m sure Yankee Intelligentsia will get us some quality starting pitching…
um, Dynasty….. please see above comment.
I didn’t get to see the game today, so I don’t know if this comment warrants anything, but why does Girardi never stick with a pitcher past 6 innings? He’s complaining that the young guys are taking a toll on the bullpen and then when a pitcher has only given up 2 runs, he pulls them. I think Girardi is too quick to take these guys out sometimes.
Nick in SF,
No I’m not ignorant of what has been reported in the media…I just don’t buy it…
People say a lot of things…
Let’s see if it transpires…
“I am tired of hearing how the Yankees are in better shape than last year. It doesn’t mean anything because they are still not doing all that well. They can’t stay over .500.”
Amen.
The Yankees have not played well this year. And… The
Red Sox are a better team this year, and the Yankees just aren’t as good. I think that’s a fact we all need to face, whether we want to or not. They are 4 games up and that chasm is only going to grow. If anything, we are playing for the wild card.
No one can honestly look at the two teams and say the Yankees are better. Their lineup is more patient, their starting pitching is better and their bullpen – overall – is better. That’s really not up for debate. And trust me, I hate to say it.
I live in Boston, unfortunately, and I’ve watched pretty much all the Sox games. They don’t even look like they are trying hard. Their starters are for the most part good for at least 7 innings a night, and Papelbon means game over.
Pther than against the Sux, losses this time of year never bother me. But tonight was the most crushing early regular season loss I can recall experiencing in some time.
It’s tough to win games in the AL when you earn 6+ walks and only score 3 runs.
I’m pretty sure Hank Steinbrenner and Brian Cashman’s comments have been accurately reported.
Imagine if over the next few weeks Joba comes into several situations like tonight’s game, and succeeds in every one of them…
Trust me, if they’re within striking distance of Boston or maybe neck and neck, they will not move him out of the bullpen…
You and I both know that…
“Brandon,
You just might have to accept the fact that Joba could be in the bullpen the whole year…it’s possible…
but don’t worry, I’m sure Yankee Intelligentsia will get us some quality starting pitching…”
highly not possible infact it’s a blind 3 point shot for the win SWOOSH !!!! high possibily of not happening. It would hold up the his whole process of being a SP, you don’t want him to get raw w/ his arsenal and it makes no sense at all w/ the 1 – 2 IP options waiting in the minors.
“People say a lot of things…
Let’s see if it transpires…”
this is like saying let’s see of Roger Clemens is telling the truth
if *
No, Dynasty, you and I do not both know that. The Yanks are in striking distance of Boston right now, it’s 4.5 games on May 6. May!
The decision to put Joba in the rotation has already been made, it hasn’t been and won’t be based on where the Yanks and Sox are in the standings in May. The whole idea is to HELP the Yanks in the standings.
It’s not like they’re going to wait until the end of August and then decide. It will happen long before then.
Brandon
What is it they say about plans…
“The best laid plans of mice and men…”
That’s from the Steinbeck novel I believe…
Of course, we have to be dreaming if we think the Yankees are better than the Sox. We’re wayyyyy to inconsistent. We’re a 500 team, probably will be second, but way out of the division and wild card hunt. Look, this team isn’t the team. Need to get rid of some parts. I realize A-Rod is hurt and all, and I hope that makes a difference. But man, I just don’t see it. And I really think Girardi has a ton to prove. Many questionable moves in my opinion thus far.
If it means winning, the Yankees will abandon any so called “plans” they have for Joba or anyone else for that matter…
Winning is the only thing that matters to the Yankees…
Trade KUO from Dodger.
We need just one reliable LHP as set-up man.
However, Torre wouldn’t let him go.
Dynasty, they think they will win more games with Joba in the rotation. They are not putting Joba in the rotation to lose games. They’re doing it to win more games.
Please wrap your mind around that concept.
If winning is the only thing that matters to the Yankees, why did they get Girardi in to manage? He hasn’t shown he is doing all that hot.
What’s your main gripe with Girardi?
Joe P
May 7th, 2008 at 12:00 am
“Of course, we have to be dreaming if we think the Yankees are better than the Sox. We’re wayyyyy to inconsistent. We’re a 500 team, probably will be second, but way out of the division and wild card hunt.”
Joe P…….this will probably sound strange coming from a Sox fan but did you follow the Yankees at all last year.
To say that at this point the Yankees are out of the division and wild card hunt is crazy! Last year the Sox were up 13-14 games on the Yankees and it was later in the season, and yet the Yankees came within two games of winning the division.
I know all too well as a Sox fan that the Yankees are not dead!
Just got home from the game. You could hear pin drop when Joba gave up the 3-run HR.
Call me crazy, but I was actually kind of relieved after 2 seconds of initial shock. I knew it was coming sooner or later, he is amazingly talented but he is also human, and all the unrealistic expectations some people have for Joba were exactly that – unrealistic. So I was actually relieved that we got that over with tonight. I still think Joba will be great for our future, I just don’t expect him to be a 98mph strikeout robot.
“What’s your main gripe with Girardi?”
he’s not on the DL
My gripes with Girardi are as follows:
Over playing around with the lineup. Batters generally do better when they are in the same slot for the majority of games. They get used to hitting behind certain players. Yet Girardi plays musical chairs lineups just about every game.
Sticking with Giambi at first even though Giambi can’t play that position well at all, and as an additional newflash, it hasn’t exactly been working out that Giambi hits better when he is playing the field. That is unless he could be batting worse than this.
Poor bullpen management. Over use in the April of Ohlendorf. Not going with a long reliever when it seemed like a no brainer to just about everyone that they would need to do so with two young pitchers in the rotation and Mussina who normally doesn’t go deep into any game. Leaving some pitchers in too long – such as tonight – when its obvious that they just don’t have it.
Putting Ensburg at 3rd base when Gonzalez was much better defensively, and frankly the batting of both were about even.
Bringing back Betemit and sticking him right in the game.
Using a catcher they just got to catch a struggling young pitcher instead of using Molina.
Giving Melky a day off and putting Damon in Center and Matsui in left on that same day, meaning that defense was taking a nose dive. Not exactly rocket science here to think that a struggling pitcher might be able to use better defense than a pitcher who has command.
Lying about injuries then compounding the lies and placing the blame on the media misunderstanding his comments. Right.
The decision to let Larry Bowa go, even though Bowa wanted to stay, and going with Meachem. Bowa is head and shoulders above Meachem as third base coach.
Lack of any small ball to help manufacture runs in close games. Lack of stolen base attempts especially when the batters coming up are notorious for hitting into double plays. I’d rather see an out in a stolen base attempt than seeing a double play.
Not sitting Giambi when he is still pull happy. Where is the threat that he won’t play if he won’t hit to all fields? He has been working on this through the season, yet still its the same old crap with him, and Girardi still puts him out there.
I think Girardi had an in for the manager job, which is why he turned down other offers. I don’t see where he is doing anything that was said he would bring to the game – other than staying awake during more games.
His skills with the media are still poor. Given that he was part of the media for a while there is no excuse for that.
I had doubts that he would be any different than he was in Florida, temperment wise, and I don’t see any difference. Yet, that was supposed to have been a learning curve for him.
What would you do differently with the first base situation?
Larry Bowa left on his own to be with Torre in LA. Nobody pushed him out.
Giving Ensberg the bulk of the ABs over Gonzalez while A-Rod is on the DL was the right move.
Put Duncan or Ensburg at first for lefty starters and Betty in till he is traded for righty starters. I’d also tell Betemit that he is only going to hit lefty since he isn’t showing that he gets many hits from the righty stance.
Larry Bowa wasn’t offered a job by the Yankees because Girardi wanted Meachem. Bowa stated that he wanted to stay with the Yankees and ended up going west because of the lack of a job offer.
Ensberg’s BA has been going down with each at bat. Gonazalez doesn’t hit for any power, but he got some hits and looked better at the plate. AG also has a lot more speed and could be used to bunt.
I remember Bowa was close to signing with Seattle, not sure if that was before or after Torre’s departure.
Bowa’s contract was up at the end of the year. There was an article that Bowa had said he didn’t know what was happening, but that he would like to remain with the Yankees. He didn’t have a contract and wasn’t offered one.
After that he was given a job offer by Seattle which he said he had things going on in his personal life that needed to be worked out first before he would give them an answer.