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It’s Joba being Joba (and that’s OK)

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 08, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Did Joba Chamberlain park in Mike and the Mad Dog’s space at the Stadium?

Quick synopsis of the show this afternoon:

* Joba should never pump his fist when he pitches well. That shows the opposition up.

* Joba should sit in the dugout and “stare out on the field” after he gives it up and not cover his head with a towel. That shows too much emotion, too.

* Joba didn’t say he got even with David Dellucci today. But that’s what he meant.

I have an idea: Let’s have the two managers flip a coin at home plate to decide the outcome of games. That way nobody will show any emotion.

I’ve never understood why hockey, basketball and football players are expected to show emotion and baseball players can’t. Tiger Woods pumps his fist and everybody loves it. Joba does it and he’s a bad guy.

Joba is a good kid and he acts the same way in the clubhouse as he does on the field. He’s brash, loud, confident and it’s genuine. He’s not acting on the mound; the emotion is who he is. Take that away and he’s not in the majors.

The guy was an out-of-shape Division II player a few years ago and now he’s a Yankee and pitching great. How could be not be emotional?

Mike and Chris are entertaining radio. But cut the kid a break.

(For those of you from out of town, Mike and Mad Dog are on WFAN-AM radio in New York on weekday afternoons. Go to WFAN.com to listen. They do a great job, but they’re reaching on this.)

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245 Responses to “It’s Joba being Joba (and that’s OK)”

  1. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 8th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Mike and Chris are clowns, period. They are entertaining like cartoon characters are.

  2. Joe May 8th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Dellucci didn’t like the fist pump today…

    “It is what it is. If he wants to yell and scream after a strikeout, I guess that’s what gets him going,” he said. “It’s May baseball. The home run was in a much bigger situation. I didn’t dance and scream.
    “If a hitter did something like that, it would be bush. It’s kind of interesting how a pitcher gets away with it.”
    Said Chamberlain: “It didn’t matter who it was, I just wanted to get them out.”

  3. whozat May 8th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    I guess if you define their job as “getting listeners by creating sports tabloid radio” they do a good job. But they, by no means, generate insightful and responsible sports commentary.

    What I hate is when they espouse some point of view that goes counter to what Cash or Girardi say or do, and then talk about how, when the guy is on the show later, they’re going to “grill him about it”

    And then they wind up not really discussing the issue with him. It’s happened several times already. Look, you guys get access to these dudes…if you believe something so strongly that you’ll make a fuss over it for three days, confront the guy about it! Sure, they’ll give you stock answers, but isn’t it you JOB to ask incisive questions?

    I’m not sure what annoys me more, their ill-informed commentary or their wasting of opportunities to ask questions of people that I’ll never get the chance to talk to.

  4. Boston Dave May 8th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Only FIVE pitchers in all of baseball have more wins than Iron Mike Mussina.

  5. Joe May 8th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Girardi had no problem with Joba…
    “That’s who he is. He’s not showing anyone up. He’s going to show emotion,” Girardi said. “He didn’t look at Dellucci. He looked into our dugout.”

  6. whozat May 8th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    “If a hitter did something like that, it would be bush. It’s kind of interesting how a pitcher gets away with it.”

    Did he notice his own pitcher doing it a few weeks ago? No?

    Funny, that. Wonder why none of the reporters there asked him about that.

  7. Neil May 8th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Mike knows his stuff, but you could put anyone in Mad Dog’s seat and have them do the same job.

    Mad Dog’s role is to agree with Mike when he has no idea what he is talking about or doesn’t have an intelligent thought of his own and his main purpose is to rag on the Yankees when they lose to create controversy and attract callers.

  8. Dan May 8th, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    This whole argument is ridiculous. The media needs to get over it – Joba shows emotion on the mound. Some of the best pitchers in baseball show emotion on the mound. Roger Clemens used to do it all the time. Just because Mariano Rivera and Chien-Ming Wang are quiet doesn’t mean that everyone has to be.

  9. Whitey Fraud May 8th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    The fact is, sports talk shows are, to put it as politely as possible, circle-jerks.

    If you have nothing better to do, are in prison, at a boring job, on a long road trip with just an AM radio or have an IQ in the double-digits, check ‘em out.

    For the rest of us, uh-uh.

  10. emobacca May 8th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Don’t forget their complete ignorance on Joba as a starting pitcher

  11. SJ44 May 8th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Their show Jumped the Shark years ago.

    They are now both too lazy and self absorbed to come up with interesting topics to discuss on their show these days.

    So, it resorts to stuff like this to get the phones cooking.

    Unfortunately, they have no real competition in the marketplace and being on the #1 regional sports network (from a TV standpoint) in America makes their show a cash cow from an advertising revenue standpoint.

    Meaning, they will continue to have a forum to spout this nonsense.

  12. JB May 8th, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    The emotionless Yankees and their emotionless manager have gotten to the playoffs but have not been very exciting for the last several years.

    Joba brings excitement. He brings emotion. If it pisses of the other batters then good. What, other teams and fans are going to suddenly start hating the Yankees? Oh no!!! Same thing with A-Rod yelling “Mine!” (or Ha!) against Toronto.

    The only thing Joba has been out of line on since coming up was trying to take Youk’s head of twice in a row. other than that, let the kid yell.

  13. mel May 8th, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    So let’s get this right. Papelbon’s behavior is okay, while Joba’s is disrespect?

  14. GoSox May 8th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Baseball fans have for years had it crammed down our throats about the aura and mystique of the Yankees and how “classy” the Yankees are, with their shaved faces and short hair and well-manner captain. I think Mike actually believes that baloney and thinks Joba is tarnishing the pinstripes with his antics.

    Also, the fact that other players do the same thing doesn’t make it right. Papelbon is just as over the top with his celebrations and I hate it.

    You can be darn sure that the next Clevelander who homers off of Joba is going to take some time to admire it. The Tigers certainly made sure to rub Papelbon’s face in it last night when they beat him.

  15. mel May 8th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    Delucci didn’t like looking stupid out there.

  16. gargoyle May 8th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    World’s biggest media market and the top sports guys are those two bozos.

    Do they even watch the games?

    They make the guys in Boston look good.

  17. JB May 8th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Jeter: Fistpump, no mouth open = ok

    Joba: Fistpump, 1/2 twirl, mouth open / yell = destruction of Yankee tradition

    Got it.

  18. Carlo May 8th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Mike and Mad Dog are out of their minds… Joba is what 22 or 23 yrs old? give the kid a break…

  19. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 8th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Dellucci’s opinion matters ZERO….next subject….

  20. Bob May 8th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Should Joba perform like a ZOMBIE, what a bunch of bull shoot on the part of Mutt & Jeff.

  21. whozat May 8th, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    “You can be darn sure that the next Clevelander who homers off of Joba is going to take some time to admire it.”

    Then so be it. If it’s off Joba, it’ll probably be a game changer.

    I hate Manny’s poses, but when it’s a big homer…well, crap, he just changed the game with one swing. What irks me is when he watches a solo shot that makes the game 7-2 in the 7th inning. Whether the Sox are up OR down.

  22. Mark May 8th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    He pumps his fist in the air…so what? I like it! Shows somebody on the team has emotions. I also enjoyed a partial clip I caught last night of Papelbon exploding in the dugout. Hee hee hee!

  23. Joe May 8th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    “You can be darn sure that the next Clevelander who homers off of Joba is going to take some time to admire it.”

    Good let them admire it. Then the next time they come up, they will get drilled because Joba will be a starter the next time he faces Cleveland.

  24. Jax May 8th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Mike is one those Yankee fans that the corporate/IBM type of Yankees. He complained last year about Shelly Duncan celebrating in the dug-out with arm celebrations. I’m surprised he hasn’t said anything about Melky and Cano leaps in the air celebration.

    Goodness it’s only a fist pump. Before today when was the last time Joba did it? Point is it’s been awhile. He doesn’t do it all the time. and he’s certainly not the only one.
    This is another example of the Yankees being held to a different standard.
    Sabathia does it, Papsmear, K-rod no one says anything. Yankee does it all hell breaks loose.

  25. Kristin May 8th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    I don’t think posing for a homerun and a fist pump are the same thing. I think the equivalent is the fist pump as you’re circling the bases. I have no problem with a player rounding first and getting excited that the ball went out. I do have a problem with admiring at home plate. To me that looks like showboating, while the other two scenarios seem like genuine excitment over what’s happening in the game.

  26. Doreen May 8th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    It should also be noted that when Joba blew a save situation for Mo and win for Pettitte the other night, he did not overthrow any water coolers, Gatorade tanks or what-have-you. I don’t have a problem with the fist pump. In fact, the only reason I would be bothered by a Papelbon or Santana is because if they’re pumping their fist or doing whatever it is they do to show emotion, and I’m seeing it, it probably means they’ve just defeated the Yankees. THAT’S what bothers me.

  27. Doreen May 8th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    I think I meant KRod and not Santana. Oops. Sorry. But same everything else! :)

  28. Toast May 8th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    Chris and Mike are two of the most idiotic blowhards in sports radio. And as we all know, that’s saying quite a lot.

  29. cc May 8th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    FWIW, I hate seeing Tiger pump his fist. Actually, I hate golf in general, but seeing Tiger express “emotion” is even worse.

  30. DizzyMissLizzy May 8th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    From the New York Post, Q and A with Joba Chamberlain, August 5, 2007:

    “Q: What would you like to say to Yankee fans?

    A: I’m gonna wear it on my sleeve. I’m gonna give it everything I got, day in and day out.”

    He’s the real thing, and he gave us all fair warning. It’s not some sort of affectation when he reacts.

  31. THU May 8th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    Mike doesn’t know anything, how he got a radio show is puzzling and how he stayed on the air for so long is to. I guess what makes it a good show is when mad dog acts up and you get idiot yankee and mets fans calling up saying joba to the roation now and trade heilman for pujols.

  32. Thernos May 8th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Mike and Chris are just not very bright, that’s all. Chamberlain wasn’t showing anyone up and I’d be surprised if Delucci agreed with them about this.

  33. Marc May 8th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    This whole things is absurd on all levels. I see the double-standards everywhere. As long as its contained to a fist pump and a lil celebration at the end of an inning I don’t see the big deal. If he starts pulling a sharpie out of his sock and signing balls after every strikeout and tossing them into the crowd then I think we have a problem. As fans we can’t have double-standards we can’t get all bent out of shape when Manny admires one of his homeruns from the batters box or when K-Rod freaks out after barely making a save if one of ours is reacting with emotion as well. I agree with Pete that we should let players do their thing within reason and add a little flavor to the game. I’m not saying players need to do celebratory backflips down the baseline but a lil show of emotion is not a big deal when there’s reason to be emotional.

  34. Bobsy May 8th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    No one has a problem with K-Rods pump. Papelbons. I’m sure when hes starting he wont be fist pumping after every K.

  35. Chris May 8th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    SJ44 May 8th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Their show Jumped the Shark years ago.

    Whoever uses the phrase “jump the shark” is the one who needs more of the help.

  36. Enoch44 May 8th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    M&MD are as baseball-stupid as they come.

    Cashman takes them to school on a regular basis, and they’re too dumb to even recognize it.

  37. Amanda from La. May 8th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    I, personally, enjoy the fist pump. It’s what makes Joba, Joba. It’s nice to see some emotion in a sometime emotionless game.

  38. Lincoln High May 8th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    You got 40 people bashing Mike and the Dog but you know what. Each one of you listens to them and watches them on YES. I think they’re doing something right if they have you rubes talking about them.

  39. Wang IS Taiwan May 8th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    Pete,

    Come on, Mike and the Mad Dog are a farce. PLEASE.

  40. Ted May 8th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Half the guys here posting and bashing the radio fellas are the ones who called up yesterday bashing Joba for giving up the homer. The segment of fandom that gives real fans a bad name and makes most blog comments sections unreadable.

  41. EndLessMike May 8th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    WEll at least Mike and the Maddog don’t have Patriots Happy hour like here.

    Evereybody opinions aren’t gonna be liked everytime out.

  42. rover May 8th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    Next time Melky kicks the gum, i’m gonna call in to some freakin body.
    Joba just needs to fist pump after every pitch, he can say he has to recock the arm, sheesh.

  43. Yazman May 8th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    Don’t change, Joba!

    If Joba acted like Mo, the mob would criticize him — “He’s a kid, why can’t he show any emotion?” The mob needs something to criticize.

    Joba’s respectful. The way he talks about the competition, and the way he talks to them, demonstrate all due respect for the game and its professionals. He’s pumped up. He’s not trying to show anyone up.

    But if I were the ocmpetition, I’d try to pick at stuff to try to get him to do something different.

    Don’t change, Joba!

  44. Khoa May 8th, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    Here here Pete. M&MD are caricatures.

  45. rover May 8th, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    fist pump my tail, that is joba reloading for the next game.

  46. Yazman May 8th, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    ocmpetition = competition

  47. ThecanoCannon May 8th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    idk if u guys read this but its just to funny

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....l#comments

  48. berniepaul&tino May 8th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    amen pete. although mike and chris never do a good job if you want some good sports talk listen to the kellerman and kenny show 10am-1pm on 1050 espn radio

  49. mel May 8th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    Did anyone watch Joba in the minors? Did he do the same fist pump as a starter? Or is this a new thing?

  50. Andy In Sunny Daytona May 8th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    I think whenever Joba strikes someone out, he should run over to the batter and apologize profusely for embarassing him.

  51. Blargh May 8th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Yaknow what I’d like to see a youtube clip of? A Joba K followed up by a large section of the crowd at Yankee Stadium fist pumping in unison with Joba

  52. George May 8th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    Mike and the Dog are over kill. Peter, I agree with you about Joba, your reference’s to Tiger and the other sports organizations. Mike, needs to tone it down. If anything, he is being “overly opinionated”.

  53. G.R. May 8th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    Pete,

    Please be sure to tell Joba not to change a thing! I LOVE the fist pump! I am a very intense person myself and I just love seeing that our players have their heart in what they’re doing!

    I also like the idea of the whole stadium fist pumping when he ends an inning with a K! In fact, I love it!

    Of course the other team doesn’t like it. SO WHAT!

    Go Joba! Go Yankees!!!

  54. mel May 8th, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    Blargh,

    Like Tiger’s gallery on the green?

  55. Blargh May 8th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    mel: Exactly

  56. Fran May 8th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    I missed the game today and on the way home I put the radio on to get the score. Not only did M&M rip Joba, but the sports announcer on WCBS radio 880 did as well. He was doing the sports report – gave the score and then complained about Joba’s fist pump.

    I have no problem with it, but it is not just M&M talking about it. All the reporter was supposed to do was give a sports report, and he stuck his opinion in there as well.

  57. RockinDaBronx May 8th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    The first pump is played out, I’m waiting for some Cartwheels, twirl and a running belly flop. Maybe he can slide on his knees and tear off his jersey revealing a pair of moobs while sporting his under armour manziere.

  58. S.A.-I am still happy Phil Hughes was saved! May 8th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Listening to those two crazies on the way home. Ugh
    They will probably spend tomorrow and Monday talking about this.
    Let Joba be Joba…

  59. S.A.-I am still happy Phil Hughes was saved! May 8th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    Maybe Joba should do a handstand ;)

  60. Boricua May 8th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    Let him do it! Fans show emotion and love it. Homer hitters show their emotion when they get to the bench and celebrate with their teammates. Check out Cano and Melky and others. They don’t do it when they hit the ball so they won’t get beaned next at bat. They should show emotion when they do something positive to their cause. Its negative emotion that should be prohibited like throwing the glove in the dugout or knocking over the water cannister such as Papelbon did when he blew the save against Detroit last night. That looks bad! Not fist pumping for doing a job well done!

  61. rvajames (WordPress eats my comments) May 8th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    It’s a non-issue that they’re making into one to fill up air. That’s all. In fact I think it HELPS this team when Joba goes up pitches well, and shows that emotion. I know all of you remember those emotionless benches from a few seasons past, especially when Damon first came over after 2004. I remember he said something to the effect of everyone was statues and wouldn’t talk a word to anyone.

    I think it’s overblown, but I’m interested in what other baseball people around the MLB have to say about it.

  62. mel May 8th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    S.A.

    With firecrackers on his cleats!

  63. LathamJoe May 8th, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Nothing wrong with a young kid showing emotion – fresh off his most frustrating appearance of his MLB career. Joba is emotional, just like Mo Rivera is calmly efficient.

    BTW, SJ’s phrase to describe M&MD’s show, that it has “Jumped The Shark years ago”, fits perfectly. “Jump The Shark” is a phrase that is used by U.S. TV critics and fans to denote the point at which the characters or plot of a TV
    series veer into a ridiculous, out-of-the-ordinary storyline. It was taken from the TV Series “Happy Days” when
    “The Fonz” literally jumped a shark while water skiing.

    Maybe Papelbon’s appearance against the Tigers last n;ight will signal his “Jump The Shark” moment as a Closer!

  64. S.A.-I am still happy Phil Hughes was saved! May 8th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    lol mel!

    Mike and the Mad Dog would love that! ;)

  65. mmx May 8th, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    Mike & Mad Dog probably are bosox fans in disguise.

    As long as Joba doesn’t jump up and down, I’m fine with that.

  66. Boricua May 8th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    Looks like M and MD need some controversial issue to pump up rheir ratings. If this is the best they can do I pity them!

  67. mel May 8th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    Dynasty,

    10 minutes into PTI, Tony & Wilbon had a debate on whether Buerle’s destroying a space heater in the dugout or Papelbon’s assault on the cooler was the better tantrum.

    Cool little tidbit about Larry Bowa in the past. He took a bat took out all the lights in the clubhouse. Man I miss him.

    Buerle won because it was reminiscent of the Babe Ruth days when they used bats and didn’t have coolers. They said baseball’s the only sport where it’s okay to throw fits. It shows passion. (Unless you’re a Yankee of course)

  68. JoeT YANKEES LETS GO CY WANG May 8th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    I love the fist pump – gets everyone fired up – this team needs that!!

  69. mel May 8th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    Latham Joe,

    That’s right about the Fonz. You know Ted McGinley (the guy from Hope & Faith)? He came along around that time, so he’s associated with the term “Jumping the shark” because he was often brought in to shows that were on life support. He did an interview one time was cool about it, but you could tell it kind of bothered him.

  70. Doreen May 8th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Just for the record — I do not listen to M&MD. I used to tune them in very, very occasionally, but no longer do. I do not want to feed the beast, and they’re aggravating.

    But I am also now tiring of having to re-hash how hackneyed they are.

    They are obviously very successful at whatever it is that they are supposed to be doing — not only do they get the listeners and the phone callers, but they’ve got people spending (or shall I say wasting) time writing about them on blogs.

    Hence, this is the last time I will join a “conversation” about M&MD. I’ve said I’ll I could say, and read about all I can read, about them.

  71. JoeT YANKEES LETS GO CY WANG May 8th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    wow that steve philips article is hilarious – you would think an editor or ANYBODY would have looked at that and said hell no we can’t print this…. Nevermind firing him on the spot

  72. VOIII May 8th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    Mike and the Mad Puppy haven’t been entertaining for years…Their act is old, and their arrogance and derision towards anyone who disagrees with them is ridiculous. They rarely if ever do their home work on anything they talk about, and know so little about the farm system of the Yankees or any other team. The world of sports talk radio has passed by these two clowns several years ago. It’s amazing that anyone still listens to them.

  73. Jeff NJ May 8th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    I admit it, I watch M&MD on YES everyday, but when it comes to Joba they are just so annoying. I turned it off today. Couple of Points:

    1. They got on Joba for pumping his fists twice, Opening Day and Today. Opening Day was delayed 24 hours and the Stadium was juiced, seems like a good time to be excited. The second one was today when he ended an inning and a losing streak by striking out the guy who burned him a few days ago, I understand that emotion too.

    2. I think Joba was happy to get back on track after the bad outing perfect reason to be pumped.

    3. How can they bitch when he gets upset for blowing one and then pumped for getting it done? He is an emotional kid, he doesn’t try and be phony and turn it on and off.

    4. M&MD are constantly screaming at callers, ie showing unnecessary emotion, but they get a free ride for that?

    5. Mike used to be a Yankee defender, but hee has gotten so beaten down my Dog over the years that he just takes the anti-Yankee position most of the time, just to cut Dog off at the pass. He is a beaten old man and should be replaced.

    Thanks for providing a forum for letting us vent Peter.

  74. nettles May 8th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    Or, just to put another spin on it…

    Saint Paul O’Neill takes a Louisville Slugger to a water cooler after a striking out…that’s good emotion and a noble addition to the pantheon of Yankee heroes who “played the game the right way.”

    Rookie Joba C. fist pumps after striking out a guy who homered off of him two nights ago, for the third out in the 8th to preserve a lead in a game the Yankees desperately needed to win…according to M & M, that’s disrespectful.

    Glad I don’t listen to those two idiots…or any other sports radio for that matter.

  75. whozat May 8th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    “You got 40 people bashing Mike and the Dog but you know what. Each one of you listens to them and watches them on YES.”

    I neither listen to them nor watch them on YES, unless I know they’re going to have an interview with someone I want to hear interviewed. And I’ve even stopped tuning in for that because they ask idiotic questions or softballs.

  76. LathamJoe May 8th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    Mel:
    Yes! I remember McGinley as “Roger” on “Happy Days”. He was also a replacement on Married With Children, before they ultimately….Jumped The shark.

  77. mel May 8th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    LathamJoe,

    Married with Children was the best! My kids don’t even know what “Love and Marriage…” is about.

  78. Doreen May 8th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    Didn’t McGinley join the show after Ron Howard (Richie) left?

  79. #1 Mike Francseca supporter May 8th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    PETER YOU ARE THE JOKE MIKE FRANCESCA NOS NO PAIN!!!! You probaly dont even have the cojnos to call in and take on the big dog alpha male himself.

  80. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) May 8th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    I really thought they would’ve dropped this by now.

  81. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 8th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    I would just like to ask Mike why is it okay when everyone else shows emotion, but when a Yankee does it, it is wrong? I’d like to ask David D, if he was okay with CC yelling and screaming into his glove. Why is that okay?

  82. small schools May 8th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Pete, I played HS football and had a small level of individual success, part of which I attribute to not displaying emotion after single plays and instead waiting until the end of the game. I think it’s one of the reasons Mo has been so good for so long; he’s business-like, and his satisfaction comes from within and from winning. It’s not as if he isn’t having a good time, otherwise I have no doubt he would’ve quit years ago. Ditto for Jeter, Bonds and Clemens (alright, maybe they shouldn’t be mentioned) and so on. You’re crazy if you think Mo and Jeter aren’t intense and aren’t having a good time. Even Manny is somewhat along these lines; he may go over-the-top with exuberance, but the guy is so aloof that it doesn’t matter; he quickly puts previous success and failure behind him.

    If you’re looking for bball and football players, look at guys like Kidd, Nash, Duncan and Shaq in basketball. Those four have dominated the league over the last ten years; how many displays of emotion from them do you see mid-game? Yeah guys like Kobe and Lebron go crazy (and Jordan did before them), but their talent is on another level and quite honestly they’ll probably be better if they ever stop doing that. In football, look at Brady, McNabb, Curtis Martin, etc.

    There are so many players who are great because they don’t wear their emotion on their sleeves. Speaking from my experience as a high-school has been, it allows you to move past bad performances a lot easier and stay focused on the ultimate goal, which is long-term team success. That’s why guys like Mo bounce back from 2001 or 2004 while Armando Benitez, Jose Mesa and so on are long gone.

    Chamberlain’s young, and his display is certainly forgivable. He has an absurd amount of talent anyway, as does Papelbon (much as I hate to admit it). But living from batter to batter is not the best option. Even with Joba, you can see him start to get nervous if guys get on base in a pressure situation (a la the bugs last year), and you can see how badly he takes a blown save. As he gets older, I’m sure this will start to fade away, and it really isn’t anything to worry about long-term. I remember even Mo getting excited at times in ’96. But it does matter.

  83. Doreen May 8th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    I would also just like to mention that I can’t remember how many times I read and heard about how passionless the NY Yankees are; how corporate; how clinical. And it was not meant in a complimentary way, either.

    So, which is it?

    I think the Yankees are just that team that are d-med if they do and d-med if they don’t. And there’s no use arguing about it because there are too many anti-Yankees out there.

  84. Andrea May 8th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    Joba covered his head with a towel today, too. he pitched well and covered his head. Maybe that’s just what he does.

  85. ER May 8th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Beckett just intentionally hit Polanco (5 for 6 last night) with a 97 mph fastball. I hope Verlander will pay them back.

  86. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 8th, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Where can I see video of Paplebon throwing himself around?

  87. JoeT YANKEES LETS GO CY WANG May 8th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    He hits him on purpose and I’ll bet anything (a box of moose bars? Lol) that he doesn’t get suspended… Farnsworth misses, 3 games

  88. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 8th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    Wow what a shock and he did it with two out. Where was he hit?

  89. BU12 May 8th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    They literally sit there and complain and complain every time Joba pitches and then claim that he’s over cocky- it goes on forever and it’s stupid and annoying.

  90. ER May 8th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    hit on the hands

  91. Alias May 8th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Kristin – I was thinking the exact same thing. Comparing the fist pump to a batter showboating ain’t the same thing…

    A batter gets to take a victory lap around the bases and then do hi-fives and other things in the dugout. What does a pitcher get? He gets a moment to celebrate if he chooses and that’s it. He moves on to the next batter or gets to walk off the field and take a seat on the bench.

    A fist pump and a yell is mild compared to what many batters do.

  92. ER May 8th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Oyyyy. Verlander with another stinker.

  93. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 8th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    K-rod does it, cc does it, and plenty of other pitchers do it. But for some reason it is only a problem when Joba does it.

  94. Scott May 8th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    I’m with Mike and Chris on this one. I don’t like Joba’s fist pumping/epileptic fit on the mound. I can’t stand it when Paplebon does it or when Beckett does it or when K-Rod does it. It’s bush league stuff. I don’t care how old Joba is or how badly he wants to strike the guy out, it looks stupid. I’ve heard dozens of Yankee fans complain about Paplebon and I don’t want to hear it any more. What Joba does is just as bad. Come up with all the excuse’s you want Joba’s theatrics are just as bad as Paplebon. Be like Mo. Be classy and dignified.

    Scott

  95. raymagnetic May 8th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    I find it amusing when players celebrate.

    I love Motumbo’s finger waggle when he blocks a shot. Basically telling the guy “Don’t bring that weak ish in my house” I also like it when someone dunks on him and does the finger waggle back to him.

    I love K-Rod praying to the baseball Gods for bestowing such heavanly skills in his earthly body.

    I used to love how Ozzie Guillen did Cartwheels to celebrate the start of a new game.

    I like all celebrations. It’s baseball not the philharmonic. Although I can actually picture a conductor high fiving the orchestra after they finish Beethoven’s 5th symphony. ;)

  96. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 8th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    No one is like Mo, and no one should try and act like Mo. Joba is his own man, why try to be something you are not?

  97. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 8th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Geez Justin V stinks!! Why couldn’t we face him?

  98. Russell NY May 8th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    What really ticks me off about M+M is their argument that Joba’s fist pump is the same thing as Manny showing up at home plate. Completely different.

    First, you see pitchers get excited all the time. How many players show a team up after hitting a homerun.

    Joba is preventing runs, Manny is scoring runs. Completely different ballgame right there.

  99. S.A.-I am still happy Phil Hughes was saved! May 8th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    According to Francessa-The Yankees has/had a certain way of taking care of their business. Just went out, played, won, went home. Now they have fist pumps, twirls and more smiles. God Forbid!

    I think next time Joba should do a dance. We can call it the Joba!
    :)

  100. Micky#7--Old Ranger May 8th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    JMO..
    I think the point of bringing up Gardner and Gonzalez was made yesterday by myself and one or two others. At AAA Brett is driving the pitchers crazy, both he and Justin are taking the extra base and steeling bases, almost at will. Gonzo is stile hitting well and playing good defence. Also, Duncan (the other one) is playing well, at 3rd/1st. You should check in on “SWB Yankees Blog”, they have some good stuff on the AAA team etc. I like your thinking though. 27/08.

  101. S.A.-I am still happy Phil Hughes was saved! May 8th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Jeez Verlander! Ugh

  102. Sterling Steiner May 8th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    I like Mike and Chris’ show, but sometimes they get way too overly critical of little, insignificant things that they seem to have trouble letting go of.

  103. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 8th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Lets hope the soxs/tigers have a very long game. Nice for the Yankees to finally have a day get away game and a quick game at that.

  104. RustyJohn May 8th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Once again…$500 billion budget deficit, an endless war, inflation going through the roof, economic depression…

    Yet, what fills up hours of radio time is a fist pump. A bunch of fat slovenly dressed middle aged guys who never played a game in their life and probably have at best a GED- why are we talking about this?

  105. Mark Alan May 8th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Mike and the Mad Dog evidently know their sports, otherwise they wouldn’t be paid to talk so much on the radio. They do not, however, understand the Yankees franchise and what it means to play for the team or to root for the team.

    They do not understand young ballplayers. Not all are clones, and these individuals have their own ways to deal with what is right and wrong with their performances.

    Joba has had an emotional year.

    Mike and Maddog should just shut their festering gobs and leave the Yankees and Joba to those who give a damn.

  106. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 8th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Um Rusty it is a sports station they aren’t supposed to be talking about political things. that said, they need to let the Joba fist pump thing go!

  107. Mark Alan May 8th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    I’ve figured it out. They think that everyone who has ever played or currently plays for the Yankees behaves like Joe DiMaggio. It worked for Joe, because he was DiMaggio. The fans loved him for it, just as they loved Yogi for jumping into Don Larsens arms or Mo Rivera for kissing the mound and praying after a WS save.

  108. mel May 8th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    LOL. I don’t think that Roger Clemens will appreciate Mindy McCreary’s mom’s help.

    Splashed on the espn news scroll:

    Paraphrasing here, “I don’t think he did steroids. Mindy’s been all through his suitcases, and she didn’t see any of that stuff.”

    haha. Debbie’s going to get a mighty nice divorce settlement.

  109. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 8th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Trump is an idiot. http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24529695/

  110. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 8th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Oh lord, it just gets better and better.

  111. stuart May 8th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    Joba is 22 yrs old give the guy a break.. K rod has been doing his routine for yrs. and he does it all the time..

    verlander and cliff lee should show you why more then a 5 yr contract for any pitcher is insanity… once in a lifetime Arod types can get more then 5 yrs if they are position players but that is also very very risky.

    Sabathia is a FA this offseason and I would not break the bank on him under any circumstances..cliff lee stunk last yr. end of story.

  112. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 8th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    And there is no way he will keep this up.

  113. Matt May 8th, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Totally agree with you Pete.

  114. Jax May 8th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    “Geez Justin V stinks!! Why couldn’t we face him?”

    Now you know if he pitched against the Yankees it would be 7 shutout innings of baseball right?

  115. Glenn May 8th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Let’s hope the Tigers are as toothless over the weekend as they’ve been against the Boston Socks.
    The Yankees have an axe to grind in Detroit.

  116. YankeeVIP May 8th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    mike and the dog are pathetic for bring this up again..
    what did they last week when carmona did the same thing against the yanks..

    i never heard dog say anything about bonds when he stood there showboating and staring at his home runs.

    i usually enjoy listening to M&M, but more and more i listen… the more they sound like antagonists who say anything to cause a controversy instead of being respectable and objective.. sadly by doing this will cause more people to call their show and increase their profile.. they are more howard stern then real sports journalists.

  117. raymagnetic May 8th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    I hope after every Joba strikeout in Yankee stadium they play “Celebration” by Kool & the Gang. :)

  118. raymagnetic May 8th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Justin Verlander didn’t pitch that bad tonight. He hit two batters, threw a wild pitch and gave up a single and a sacrifice fly.

  119. Blargh May 8th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Yea, after reading the comments, I was expecting 5+ runs already; but he’s at 3 runs after 4 innings

  120. Vader May 8th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    If you haven’t I suggest watching the most recent Costas Now on HBO about sports and the media (all types). Russo is on discussing talk radio and all but says that they accentuate the negative because it fills up five hours.

    The best part of the show was Michael Strahan, who was also on the panel in regards to talk radio, and IMO he stole the show. He basically, said that he hasn’t been on the M&MD show in over 8 years because of something that they did, which is they talk behind your back (nice to you on the phone or in the studio, kill you when you’re off). Like he said he doesn’t need them they need him and the players.

    At one point as Strahan was belittling Mad Dog, he said the last time he wore a uniform was when his Mom dressed him on Halloween when he was five. Russo sat there dumbfounded…too funny.

    As for the fist pump, yeah it’s little over the top, but I would never take that emotion away from a young dominant pitcher, such as Joba. I’m sure as he grows up it will subside, but you never take away what may make him great and not everyone can be like Mo.

  121. mel May 8th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    I just saw Joba’s Delucci pump. It was over the top. The 180 degree turn was okay. The second one was over the top.

    As a reliever I think it’s okay to do the pump. As a starter that will have to go.

    Does anyone know if he did this as a starter in the minors?

  122. sfill May 8th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    ****** GO JOBA *******

    I find it so funny that a couple of short weeks ago, M&TMD were complimenting Joba up and down how great he is and he is the 2nd coming, bla bla bla – and how him & Mo will rule the Yankee universe together.
    Just as expected, they turned on Joba like pitbulls (no offense to pitties)when there is something they feel will get them ratings.
    I was so aggravated, I had to turn them off today!
    Is this world so uptight that we are not allowed to express emotion anymore? It’s the all american sport of baseball folks, not the pentagon! You are allowed to show emotion in sports!

    Yes, Joba gets excited.
    I get excited when he pitches b/c I think his adrenalin and excitment is what makes watching him so great (and of course the 100 mph fastball!).
    This ‘emotion’ is pure and raw. It comes from within – and if he tries to restrain it b/c a few announcers don’t like it, he will not be Joba anymore.

    AND YES to the answer to someone’s question above that asked if he did this in Double A. YEs he did – I searched the internet the last time M&TMD be-rated him and found many pictures of him from double A and college of him doing the fist pump!!! Gee, I guess he just shows up every batter he ever batted to??
    Sorry so long! I had to vent!

    ****** GO JOBA *******

  123. #9 May 8th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    Mike + Mad Dog = TMZ of sports…

    Only guy worth listening to on WFAN these days is Tony Paige – no pretense with him – all the others are selling their shtick…

  124. jk May 8th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Bad joba by M&MD.

  125. VRSCE May 8th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    RUSTY JOHN

    There is no steenking economic depression. Economic growth last quarter

  126. Drive 4-5 May 8th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    If I live to be a 100 I’ll never understand why anybody listens to the M & MD show. They’re both blowhards

  127. PayRod May 8th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Joba is a punk with no class. Shut your mouth and know your place, Rookie.

  128. marcus May 8th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    I just moved to North Carolina from New York about a month and I haven’t missed M&D at all!

  129. Scorpio May 8th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Pete, great synopsis of the show, I never watch or listen to M&MD but today I happened to be home early. You forgot one thing. The chubby one kept screaming that “Joba needs to grow up!”

    Absurd clowns, I don’t know why the YES network broadcast such haters.

  130. the todd May 8th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    mel-

    not only did he do it in the minors, he did it at nebraska

  131. ray (sox fan) May 8th, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    PayRod
    Ironically it is your post that has no class, and if you are a Sox fan then you are giving other Sox fans a bad reputation.

  132. bigAPPLE May 8th, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    Geez Justin Verlander looks like an entirely different pitcher in ’08. HORRIBLE!

  133. PayRod May 8th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Lighten up Francis.

  134. Yankeepelotero May 8th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    I wonder what Delucci thinks about CC Sabathia doing it to the Yankees in Cleveland a week or so ago? Also, how come the media doesn’t make anything of it when Pappelbon river dances every time he K’s guys? did anyone see Pappelbon’s reaction yesterday after blowing the save? he made Paul O’Neill look like a quire boy.

  135. Kelli in Conn. May 8th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    raymagnetic ;

    “Celebration” by Kool & The Gang is tons better than hearing silly Sweet Caroline sung by pink hatted Boston college boys holding hands at the Green Sardine Can. That’s the pits but ……. only in Beansville.

  136. JoeT YANKEES 28/09 May 8th, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    SWEEEEEETTTT CAROLINEEEE (guys in pink hats are) GAY GAY GAY

  137. JoeT YANKEES 28/09 May 8th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    oh…. and is there a video of Papelbum going nuts yesterday? I saw the end of the game but I missed that

  138. Pat G May 8th, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    They do a great job? No, they don’t. They’re terrible. They don’t know a single thing about hockey.

  139. bronxbomber77-- anti anti-Girardi media May 8th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    I love SJ’s nickname for Mike and the Mad Dog: Fatso and Fruit Loops.

    Signed Mrs. Francesca and Mrs. Dog.

    I know it was the last thread, but seriously — Ken Griffey Jr.? I would love to have him as a DH, but– whoops, already have five of those… And the OF is already crowded.

    Unless they flipped Damon to another team to make room for him (KG jr) and DFA’s Giambi… But thats wishful thinking!

    Gotta go buy me some magnets for sister and mom, support the cause!

    Thanks for the link, Pete!

  140. Smitty May 8th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Joba comes in for an inning, maybe two for a hold.. I don’t have any problem with someone who makes 3 or 4 appearances a week showing emotion when they get into the game and do their job well. I’d rather have him pumping his fist than dragging his feet walking like sloth or Farnsworth off the field. If something like that is really bothering people, I feel sorry for them. It’s going to be a long life.

  141. DC May 8th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Mike and the Dog have become very arrogant. Stopped listening to them a long time ago. I guess when you are on too long your head swells. Michael Kay is getting that was also.

  142. YankeesLuv May 8th, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    Mike Francesa and Chris Russo should shut the … up. Anyone in the world that they cannot control is wrong. Let Joba be.

  143. talisaynon May 8th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Mike and the Maddog entertaining? C’mon Pete, they’re completely the bottom of the barrel when it comes to NY Sports radio. Ugh.

  144. Mike S. May 8th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    I remember when Fatso and Fruit Loops went on and on about a DiMaggio catch behind the monuments off of Greenberg. They went on and on about the three monuments. I wrote WFAN. Never heard anything back.

    Monument 1 (for Miller Huggins) went up in 1932. Fine. Monument 2 (for Lou Gehrig) went up in 1941—AT WHICH TIME GREENBERG WAS IN THE SERVICE. Greenberg didn’t get out until mid-1945, after V-E day, at which time DiMaggio was STILL IN THE SERVICE.

    The only time Greenberg could have hit a shot behind the monuments and in front of the wall with TWO monuments was in 1946.

    The third monument (for Ruth) wasn’t put up until 1949, by which time Greenberg was retired.

    So much for the two of them doing their RESEARCH.

  145. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    “I just saw Joba’s Delucci pump. It was over the top. The 180 degree turn was okay. The second one was over the top.

    As a reliever I think it’s okay to do the pump. As a starter that will have to go.

    Does anyone know if he did this as a starter in the minors?”

    he did it everytime in his home games when he strikes you out to finsh the last inning of work

    Joba in AAA

  146. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    “I just saw Joba’s Delucci pump. It was over the top. The 180 degree turn was okay. The second one was over the top.

    As a reliever I think it’s okay to do the pump. As a starter that will have to go.

    Does anyone know if he did this as a starter in the minors?”

    he did it everytime in his home games when he strikes you out to finish the last inning of work

    Joba in AAA

  147. blackaccord May 8th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Its funny that we are discussing about this show here.. every yankee or met fan I have talked to dont like this show at all.. Mets fans feel worse because the station is the flagship station and still the two make fun of the Mets.. They are two people trying to ignite an argument and bring in the callers.. If they are talking about a topic, they will repeat their negative points again and again which makes the listeners go nuts.. They will listen to the callers only if the callers tend to agree with them.. If the caller says things like ‘you guys are nuts’ or ‘you are terribly wrong’, then they start offending the caller.. When they have nothing to talk about, one amontg the two guesses the national and local TV ratings and the other one says ‘close enough’ or ‘good’ for the guesses (and the poor listeners who really dont care abt the ratings listen to this).. Also, every now and then they will complement each other (particularly chris will complement mike) , ‘very good point!’ for some simple stat like santana’s era has been up in the last 3 years (as if no one knew that..) The good job they do is when they talk to the manager of the mets and the yankees and pound them with questions.. Apart from that its just another talk show and I would rather listen to Michael Kay who doesnt annoy callers or listeners…

  148. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    meanwhile if your an NBA fan I’m telling you right now the TRUE MVP is putting on a show in San Antonio right now

  149. S.A.-I am still happy Phil Hughes was saved! May 8th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    “Apart from that its just another talk show and I would rather listen to Michael Kay who doesnt annoy callers or listeners…”

    Oh Michael Kay annoys people too…

    I wish there were sane people on the radio to talk NY sports during the day. Most of them are comical.

  150. Jax May 8th, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    I wasn’t aware he did it when he was starting. Then if that’s the case then he should stop when ever he’s starting again.
    It’s a bit much as a starter.

  151. Mike S. May 8th, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    or they all of a sudden turn into Siskel and Ebert and start discussing movies.

  152. The Monarch May 8th, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    Are Mike and the Mad Dog still on?

    Seriously, this is a non-issue. I rarely listen to Fatso and Fruit Loops anymore, but this sounds right up their alley: slow news day, hype a non-story.

    Next.

  153. Mir May 8th, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    The Sawx are boringly good.

  154. Mike S. May 8th, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    Brandon, I think the true MVP helped his team improve by 42 games from last year….

  155. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    “I wasn’t aware he did it when he was starting. Then if that’s the case then he should stop when ever he’s starting again.
    It’s a bit much as a starter.”

    as a SP he did it in his last inning if he were set for 7 innings and got a big strikeout he would do it, in the BP if he strikes you out for the last out he will definitely do it. In Nebraska he did it in each of his starts when he left w/ a lead in his last inning. I have no problem w/ that at all as long as he doesn’t get cocky w/ his catcher in signals I have no problem w/ Joba.

  156. SJ44 May 8th, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Mark Melancon tonight. 2 1/3 innings, 1 run (unearned) 1 BB, 2K’s.

    His last 9 games: 18 2/3 innings, 2 runs (1 earned), 4 BB, 13 K’s.

    Got a feeling he is going to be in AA by June 1.

  157. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    don’t get caught in that hype in Boston, what Chris Paul is doing is much more difficult and special

  158. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    SJ you beat me to it.

  159. Joe from Long Island May 8th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    I just saw this thread….

    I stopped listening to M&MD a long time ago. They no longer provide useful information, which may be a function of my learning more about baseball the last couple of years. Plus, all they seem to do lately is criticize people, whether they be athletes or anyone else.

    I know they have to fill the hours, and generate buzz, and callers. But they seem to go for the lowest common denominator, don’t do their research (a cardinal sin in my book), and are making a living off their reputation. Kind of like a restaurant where the chef and the help stopped caring a long time ago.

    I no longer listen on my too long of a drive home. I’d rather listen to obnoxious rock’n’roll than those two. For a while, Michael Kay seemed better, but he’s deteriorating, too. Too bad sports fans don’t have better options.

  160. Joe from Long Island May 8th, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Interesting about Mark Melancon. It seems like he and/or Cox, Robertson will be in the Bronx this summer. Which, given the finite number of spots in the bullpen, means that one or two people (Farsny? Latroy?) will be moved. But we’ll see. It’s all performance dependent.

    But it’s more fun to think/talk about than M&MD.

  161. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Nardi already said what impresses him about Mark is that he’s throwing harder at such an early time (post TJS)

    I can definitely see him in AA by June

  162. Clay Bellinger May 8th, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    I am a big fan of M&MD. They are almost always wrong and it is fun to listen. There are some really stupid Yankees and Mets fans out there. They want people to talk about and listen to their show. It works.

  163. Mir May 8th, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    what does it mean that I’m cheering for the Ray’s just to give Boston a scare?

  164. Mike S. May 8th, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Disagree, Brandon. Garnett helped with the greatest turnaround in NBA history.

  165. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    are you kidding me Mike S. I know how great KG is but he also has Ray Allen and Paul Pierce. Chris Paul has a stand still Peja and David West is not an All Star w/o him, he plays in the West and is whoooping the Western Conference Champs, just watch…

  166. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 8th, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    Brandon,

    Thanks for that link…it’s clear from that video that Joba has been doing the fist-pump for some time…

    Someone should let M&MD know about it…

  167. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    they don’t care Dynasty, they’ll just say he needs to grow up. It’s not like it’s hard to find that ‘s why they are mostly tabloid radio.

    P.S. SJ what the hell now Abraham is hurt :x

  168. AlienLarge May 8th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    I don’t understand what Mike F’s problem is with a Yankee showing some fire and passion – this team needs that right now. It would be great if more Yankees showed that intensity and desire to win. And comparing Manny Ramirez antics with Joba? Absolutely ridiculous – Manny’s antics last year after homering off Proctor is no way similiar to what Joba does. Manny practically took a bow after that home run – it was a totally arrogant, “look at me world, look how great I am am!” display. Even the ump muttered to start running as he was disgusted. What Joba does is show youthful enthusiasm and genuine joy in a successful appearance on the mound.

  169. Mir May 8th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Rays and Jays are tied at 3 in the 13th. Does anyone care who wins this one?

  170. george May 8th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Mike & the Mad Dog – pretty pathetic stuff. as usual, they’re more focussed on trivial parsing of athletes’ words, and ceaseless harping about it, than on the games and the fascinating details of baseball.

    they can be intelligent and entertaining, but that’s become rarer and rarer for them. they’re like cranky old men, just complaining about the same type of crap all the time.

  171. whoa May 8th, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Why are we even talking about those clowns?

  172. Mir May 8th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Rays are gonna win. At least somebody will be within 3 of the Sox.

  173. Yazman May 8th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    There is a line.

    I’m against the protracted football celebrations. And the celebrations on meaningless plays when you’re losing are just comical. As one prophet said about getting in the end zone, “Act like you’ve been there before and you expect to be there again.”

    All those celebrations are for show.

    ———

    A 2-second fist pump is something I’ll bet Joba would do if the cameras were off, no one was in the stands, and the opponents weren’t looking. It’s from within, and I’m fine with it.

  174. S.A.-I am still happy Phil Hughes was saved! May 8th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Anyone watching Lost? So good!

  175. Rishi May 8th, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    OK so now the freaking NYTimes are writing about the fist pump:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05.....9pins.html

  176. Blargh May 8th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Hmm, rocky start for the arguably-best-arm-in-the-game tonight, 4 ER in 2 innings so far

  177. mel May 8th, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Brandon,

    Bucher reporting that D’Antoni’s leaning towards the Knicks job. You like?

  178. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    yup… but I got a feeling it’s BS and he’ll take the Bulls job.

  179. Rishi May 8th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    TB scored 5 runs in the top of the 13th – are you kidding me!

  180. Mir May 8th, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    I’ll like Joba’s fist pump better when we’re making a run at Boston.

  181. Mir May 8th, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Yeah, g’nite Jays!

  182. Blargh May 8th, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    “TB scored 5 runs in the top of the 13th – are you kidding me!”

    Including a grand slam by Dioner Navarro!

  183. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    man I’ll trade anything on my roster for Chris Paul or Derrick Rose

  184. nysuperfan.com May 8th, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    I like the emotion. I even like when Papelbon does it. I think there’s a difference between showing emotion and showing a player up. Keep it up Joba!

  185. myrtlebeachfan May 8th, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    What would it take to get Joey Votto? James Loney? Mike Jacobs?

  186. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    for Votto Philip Hughes, James Loney, Matsui, Gardner and Ohlendorf, Jacobs alot, FLA likes to buy on the bulk in prospects.

  187. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    BTW Chris Paul is killing San Antonio

  188. Yankeenate May 8th, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    i live in the south. does anyone know if getting the YES network is possible so that i can get the games and rest of the yankee network?

  189. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    OMG Chris Paul 8O

  190. Dr. Cox May 8th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    Was at the game today.

    Have to say this is one of the best times ive been to the stadium. Got there in 35 minutes, no traffic. Saw a great game. Offense was solid with 4 homers. Moose was on. Bullpen looked fantastic.

    I have a question though for people watching it at home. Did it look like Bobby took two bad routes for those two doubles?? Because I was sitting on the third base side (not the best angle, I know) and it looked like he could have caught both of them.

    Everyone in my section thought so too. Just wondering.

  191. JoeT YANKEES 28/09 May 8th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    OK I’m gonna get blasted for this and I’m ready for it, but what does everyone have against Michael Kay? I really enjoy listening to him on the YES broadcasts (obviously the former players help, esp. Cone and Flaherty who are the 2 best). I’m down in Florida now so I get stuck listening to the other teams announcers and Michael Kay and the YES team are by far the best, not only baseball knowledge wise, but with being unbiased. Obviously they pull for the Yankees, Kay has worked Yankees games for a long time and the others are former players, but unlike a lot of other teams, they’ll praise the opposing team when necessary. IDK, maybe just my opinion, but I like Kay in the booth

  192. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    Dr.Cox Bobby and that wall pissed alot of people up, tell me what did you think about Betemit and Cano’s performance today, while your at it Olly

  193. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    Dr.Cox Bobby and that wall pissed alot of people off *, tell me what did you think about Betemit and Cano’s performance today, while your at it Olly

    don’t ask why

  194. Jeff NJ May 8th, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    I’m with you Joe T, Michael Kay is much more reasonable than the aforementioned idiot team.

    Anyone watching the Mariner-Ranger game, Sexson just charged the mound on a pitch that wasn’t even too inside, he came up punching Kason Gabbard. He should get suspended a week if Farnsy gets 3 games.

  195. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    CHRIS PAUL ARE KIDDING ME DAMN 8O

  196. gayle May 8th, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    BY the way has anyone figured out how we can have BOTH Paul Byrd and Mike Timlin pitch all the time to Jason. At the pace he is going against them this year he would easily break Bonds single season record lol.

  197. Jeff NJ May 8th, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    shoot now Gabbard has to leave to game so he can’t get the win for my fantasy team. What a crock. Sexson physically knocked out another player, anyone still think Joba’s fist pumps are a federal crime?

  198. gayle May 8th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Re the New York Times article and David Delkucci’s coments. He needs to look at his own locker room first before he goes and starts making comments like that. Perhaps someone can show him the tape of CC sabithia from when we played them last week in Cleveland.

  199. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    Sexson unhappy w/ his batting average :lol:

  200. gayle May 8th, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    You think that perhaps the Washington Nationals wish they Kpt Chad Moller around. Just saw that BOTH Lo Duca and Estrada are going on the DL so that leaves Wil NIeves and???

  201. ANSKY May 8th, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    If Joba struck guys out then pointed at them and pumped his fist while shouting something at them, THEN he would be (in elementary schoolyard terms) a weenie.

    What he does is not that.

    What guys who complain about it are (also in elementary schoolyard terms) are crybabies.

    Grown men, professional athletes should know this. Not all do. Radio talk show hosts, on the other hand, are apparently incapable of seeing this.

    It’s not like he hits balls to the warning track, but stands at home plate and admires them like they’re upper deck HRs …

  202. Dr. Cox May 8th, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    Brandon:

    It was great to see Robbie finally break out. I was more impressed with that double than that homerun. Betemit did a fine job at third. He had a lot of balls hit to him. There was one play where I thought if he layed out he could have had it, but what are you going to do?

    I forgot to mention Olly. Fine job.

    In Fact I am going to go as far as to say this is the best team effort of the season so far. They played together and looked fantastic. Lets hope they can build on this.

  203. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    gayle I agree it’s always a scrub that has something to say he went from

    after Dellucci hits a HR it’s

    “Facing him is like playing a video game,” Dellucci said. “His ball is an optical illusion. It’s fun because it’s so nasty. You want to go up there and see that pitch because of how nasty he is.”

    after Dellucci strikes out

    “It is what it is. If he wants to yell and scream after a strikeout, I guess that’s what gets him going,” he said. “It’s May baseball. The home run was in a much bigger situation. I didn’t dance and scream.

    “If a hitter did something like that, it would be bush. It’s kind of interesting how a pitcher gets away with it.”

    HYPOCRITE

  204. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    Wilson’s ABs Dr. Cox notice anything ?

  205. JoeT YANKEES 28/09 May 8th, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    damn – I missed the fight – did Sexson get some good shots in?? lol

    If farnsworth is going to get suspended I wanted to see him fight someone like he did Paul Wilson lol

  206. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    what a freaking game 3 this is ..

  207. Dr. Cox May 8th, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    ummm his eye was looked better so he was able to see the ball better??

  208. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 8th, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    :lol:

  209. JoeT YANKEES 28/09 May 8th, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    I love knowing the Red Sox gave up Gabbard who’s apparently been throwing pretty well and got an awful gag-ne in return

  210. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 9th, 2008 at 12:01 am

    oh crap Spurs found thier cape

  211. Jeff NJ May 9th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    Good point JoeT. Not only did Texas get Gabbard, but David Murphy has been great too. Plus there was a prospect in the deal. All for a drug free, washed up Eric Gagne. Ok off to bed for me.

  212. JoeT YANKEES 28/09 May 9th, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Drug-Free Eric Gagne is by far the worst Eric Gagne lol

    I still remember when we played the Dodgers in LA and we were down by 1 in the bottom of the 8th inning. Hideki Matsui over charged a ground ball and the Dodgers got an unearned run giving them a 2 run lead. I believe it was Giambi that hit a home run in the top of the 9th inning. It would’ve tied the game and ended the save streak if it wasn’t for the error, Yankees ended up losing by 1.

  213. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 9th, 2008 at 12:19 am

    Tim Duncan and Tony Parker woke up tonight, the Hornets still look primed to steal one in SA, game 4 is a MUST SEE

  214. marcus May 9th, 2008 at 12:26 am

    And Delucci wasn’t any good when he was here.

  215. Skippy May 9th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    I’m really hoping the Hornets win the series. Would love to see Hornets-Lakers. Spurs-Lakers, zzzzzzz…

  216. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 9th, 2008 at 12:29 am

    son of GOD went yard again in the top of the 12th 7-6 Riverdogs

  217. Dr. J May 9th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    Wilkins De La Rosa needs to get more groundballs

  218. lil' m May 9th, 2008 at 12:44 am

    Does this (pseudo) controversy extend to K-Rod and Jonathan Papelbon? If yes, it’s still nonsense, but at least it’s based on a consistent standard. If not, and this is just an issue when Joba does it, then the complainants haven’t got a leg to stand on. Also, did Dellucci have any problem when C.C. pounded his glove and yelled after he struck out A-Rod and Shelley D to end an inning when they played in Cleveland on April 27? As a Yankee fan, I didn’t, and I don’t have a complaint when K-Rod or Papelbon do their thing either. As to Mike & the Mad Dog, they should let go now (but probably won’t).

  219. hughes fan May 9th, 2008 at 12:46 am

    who cares what they think of joba, id like to see them throw 99mph.

  220. Scott May 9th, 2008 at 12:54 am

    I don’t understand why this can be an issue. Players can do anything they want in the field, including showing their motions. Of course, if they can win the game!!!

  221. Yazman May 9th, 2008 at 12:58 am

    “Did it look like Bobby took two bad routes for those two doubles??”

    Dr. Cox, I’m afraid it looked that way to me. Once commentator on TV suggested Abreu may be wearing one of those canine Invisible Fence collars that prevents him from getting near a wall :0 I love Bobby but he’s been awful on flies near the wall.

  222. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 9th, 2008 at 1:01 am

    “Wilkins De La Rosa needs to get more groundballs”

    his worst relief appearance of the season

    GO/AO 0-1 and allowed a 3 run HR

  223. Yazman May 9th, 2008 at 1:04 am

    From MLB.com:

    In the sixth, Sabathia was in a major jam when Derek Jeter led off with a double and advanced to third on a groundout. Sabathia reared back and got both Alex Rodriguez and Shelley Duncan to go down swinging at fastballs to end the inning.

    An especially animated Sabathia pumped his fist and belted out a celebratory scream.

    What led to this display?

    “Just everything,” Sabathia said. “The first four starts, and that situation. I was just letting a lot of frustration out.”

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=cle

  224. Peter May 9th, 2008 at 1:04 am

    I tuned in FAN after the game and they were talking about Chamberlain’s fist pump. What struck me as funny was MF said he didn’t want to be redundant (HA!) and that there wasn’t much to say that he hadn’t already said after the Frank Thomas game.

    Of course, he went on and on and on…(gotta fill those 5 hours, I guess)

    Anyway, as has become more and more the usual for me of late, I turned them off. A half hour or so later I turned them back on. One guess what MF was talking about.

    Lotsa respect for the two…but they are losing me.

  225. JoeT YANKEES 28/09 May 9th, 2008 at 1:09 am

    lil m – I’m just as big (if not bigger) a Yankee fan as everyone else that’s here religiously. When CC did that I had absolutely NO problem with it. I think it’s great for the game when a pitcher gets pumped up like that. Seeing the emotion in the players makes the game that much better.. for me at least.

  226. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 9th, 2008 at 1:56 am

    There’s so much talk about Joba’s fist pump, he should trademark it…

  227. CaptainsCorner May 9th, 2008 at 2:21 am

    This Joba fist pump talk is a an absolute joke!! Papelbum and Krod do it after every single save and did it in there rookie seasons also and no one says a thing about them. I love how all of a sudden when it is a Yankee that does something people have a problem with it. Give me a break!! Just like Manny stands for 20 minutes and admires his homeruns but if Arod EVER did it for even a second he would get hammered. So CC doing it against the Yanks is ok but they don’t like it when it is against them? The Yankee double standard right there.

    As far as Abreu’s defense everyone knows that he plays like there is fire on the wall and he doesn’t want to get hurt. The ball in the 5th inning definitely should of been caught I don’t think the one in the 9th should of been caught, but could of. It was funny when the camera caught Mo mouthing “catch the ball”. that was really funny. I remember the camera catching Mo say the same thing last year also. I wonder if any of the coaches have ever said anything to him about the wall…Like it won’t hurt you if you stand infront of it. It is funny and pathetic how sometimes he can be 10 feet infront of it and he is still scared and looking for it.

  228. Matt Saracen May 9th, 2008 at 2:32 am

    Mike and the Mad Dog are absolute disgraces. Entertaining? If you’re braindead. I’m ashamed of you Pete.

  229. TIME 4 # 27 May 9th, 2008 at 3:30 am

    what about 2 weeks ago when in clevland the yankees had a runner at 3rd with 1 out and a-rod stuck out and c.c.cabathia pumped like its game 7 of the playoffs and nobody said anything and a-rod is a hall of famor and here is david delucci and he is little two facer and he gets mad bcs. joba is having fun out there and the whole world is going crazy that joba shouldnt have done it

  230. mark May 9th, 2008 at 3:35 am

    yea seriously, why does noone talk about this with papelbon, only joba? he does the same thing. let em be.

    ps, mike and the mad dog suck. espnradio all the way.

  231. Anthony May 9th, 2008 at 7:00 am

    Mike knows his stuff but he is such an ass to people it’s not even funny. Doggy is his… well his lap dog. He agrees with Mike to no end and quite frankly it’s sickening.

    Let Joba show emotion. That’s what this team needs!

  232. Fredo Corleone May 9th, 2008 at 7:56 am

    I’m all good with Joba showing that emotion. Big spot as he set down the guys who got him two nights earlier and the Yankes needed this win.

    That said, no more bitchin’ when Papelbon or Krod do the exact same thing.

  233. C. Carthas May 9th, 2008 at 8:25 am

    I agree with Fredo. If we accept Joba’s fist pumps we shouldn’t be so bothered — a year later! — about Manny admiring a homerun.

  234. matt May 9th, 2008 at 9:24 am

    mike and the mad dog are a bunch of clowns with nothing insightful to say. they say what they think and if anyone has an differing opinion, they jump down that person’s throat.

    on joba’s fist pump, honestly it is nice to see someone in pinstripes with some emotion. it’s been years since the yankees played with that kind energy and emotion. it’s been too business-like for far too long. it’s a game. it’s exciting. emotion needs to be shown. good for the young guys in bringing with them some intensity.

  235. sosonj May 9th, 2008 at 9:57 am

    I was at the game and missed Joba’s histrionics because I was engaged in my own mini-celebration. And I agree that M&MD are overboard on this.

    But they are very right about Abreu’s misplaying two balls near the wall that cost the Yanks runs. Bubba Crosby, David Delluci, Shelly Duncan would hae fearlessly caught those balls. Paul O’Neill would have gone through the wall.

  236. Mike May 9th, 2008 at 10:04 am

    What is the pitchers’ equivalent to a batter watching a home run ball?

    I posted on my blog about this last month when Mike and the Mutt got on his fist pump.

    Check it out:

    http://nyyu.blogspot.com/2008/.....-pump.html

  237. Chuck May 9th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    I haven’t read the comments here, but Mike & the Mad Dog are running on fumes at this point — they are self-absorbed blowhards whose time past about seven years ago…

  238. ogerp jr May 9th, 2008 at 10:32 am

    i just happen to be listening to the FAN, yesterday and heard the comments made about joba. they loss all credibility with this argument as soon as they compared joba (being joba) to manny ramirez.

    does anyone remember the game last year or the season before, when manny was on second, the red sox batter hit a single into the field and manny, dramatically chose to slide into third base face first?

    now i don’t believe thats showing someone up as much as it is being an idiot. unless you’re referring to manny’s dominance (at the plate), him and joba should never be compared in the same sentence.

  239. Zod May 9th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    I know you’re being “diplomatic” with your comments about Fatso and Fruitloops, but for the benefit of those outside the listening area who may not know the agony of being subjected to the constant flow of moronic dribble that pours out of these two daily, they are among the least informed sports talk show hosts in the business. When Joba came up, they didn’t even know who he was.

    My solution: Don’t listen to Fatso & Fruitloops!

  240. melky28 May 9th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    i agree

  241. SMS46 May 9th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    I’m disappointed to see so many Yankee writers and fans tee-ing off on Joba. His pump is for no one but himself. Back off.

    The fact that Delucci didn’t like it cracks me up. Who cares? Bush league? The fact that he’s whining is what’s bush.

    How else can a pitcher release emotion? Hitters run bases, and work off emotion post-dinger with hops, screams and claps. That’s emotion, not something aimed at the pitcher. Posing at the plate, well…

    Don’t fuel the fire, just let the kid pitch!

  242. sfill May 9th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    They are still talking about it today – let it go M&TMD!!
    I would love to see them throw a 99mph fastball !! LOLOL!! hahahhaaha Yeh right!

  243. The Monarch May 9th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Zod makes an excellent point.

    I was listening to the show last year. Francesca must have been on vacation, because I seem to remember only Russo. A caller talked about Joba going to the rotation, and Russo went on a rant about how can you try and convert him to a starter now. Russo didn’t even know that he WAS a starter who converted to the pen.

    I’ve met Russo a few times at Springsteen concerts. In person, he’s actually a pretty nice guy, but his schtick on the radio is old.

  244. C. Carthas May 9th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Excellent blog post, Mike. I agree 100 percent. Joba being Joba is just like Manny being Manny. Let’s accept these 2 free spirits for what they are. They enjoy what they do. Let’s enjoy it with them. A lot of people here are too caught up in Manny wearing a Red Sox uniform. I’ll be the first to admit it: He’s fun to watch! Just like Joba.

  245. Josh July 11th, 2009 at 7:29 am

    Joba is a punk. A no-class punk. That fist pumping seizure he has when he strikes someone out in the 3rd inning is bush league. I also like how you Yankkkee fans complained about Pedro being a headhunter, when this tard throws at anyone who takes him yard. You win a game on a K, fine celebrate. You hit a walk off, same deal. You leave a curve up and it sails out of that wind tunnel of a park you bozos call home, you make a better pitch next time, not put one between his shoulder blades his next at bat. That said, thank you for making him a starter, his 3 inning 8 hit starts are a thing of beauty.

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