Game 37: Yankees at Tigers
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 09, 2008 
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YANKEES
Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Matsui LF
Duncan 1B
Giambi DH
Betemit 3B
Cano 2B
Moeller C
Igawa LHP
Kenny Rogers vs. the New York hitters.
Kei Igawa will be facing the Tigers for the first time.
Notes: No word yet on who is being demoted. It’ll be one of the 1,765 right-handed relievers on the roster. … Robinson Cano is 5 of 15 with two homers and four RBI in the last four games. … Hideki Matsui has hit safely in 17 straight games at 23 of 68. He is 10 of his last 20. … Ross Ohlendorf’s last three outings: 6.1 3 0 0 1 7. … Jose Molina is 2 of his last 34. His batting average has gone from .364 to .209.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 6:00 p.m.: Chris Britton was optioned to Scranton. … LHP Sean Henn was claimed off waivers by the Padres. … Igawa has already been scheduled to start again on Wednesday in Tampa. … Girardi said they want to give Wilson Betemit a shot against lefties because he’s swinging the bat so well.
A-Rod’s MRI will be Monday morning. He could play in an extended spring training game on Tuesday.
UPDATE, 6:07 p.m.: Meanwhile, some of the boys (and Michelle Damon) took in the hockey game last night. The Big G is tight with Chris Chelios.
UPDATE, 7:19 p.m.: Igawa is better than I thought he would be. It took two pitches before he gave up a hit.
UPDATE, 7:22 p.m.: So far so good, a double to the gap, a line drive off his backside, a 410-foot sacrifice fly and a double to the gap.
UPDATE, 7:32 p.m.: Giambi has figured out how to beat the shift. He has 15 hits this season: seven homers, four doubles and four singles.
UPDATE, 7:59 p.m.: That’s an error on Jeter? Tough call at home for Raburn.
UPDATE, 8:13 p.m.: Brooks Betemit is having a rough time at third base in this inning. But most of those balls have been hit pretty hard.
UPDATE, 8:22 p.m.: The official scorer changed his mind. Raburn was credited with a single in the third inning. Just a hunch, but Jim Leyland might have made a call upstairs.
UPDATE, 8:26 p.m.: You couldn’t see this coming, could you? They basically gave this game away by starting Igawa.
He has faced 20 batters and 11 of them have hits.
So far.
UPDATE, 8:29 p.m.: That’s it for the K-Man. Holy cow. They can’t start him on Wednesday, can they?
UPDATE, 8:43 p.m.: Say this for Kei Igawa, he didn’t show up anybody by pumping his fist like that rotten Joba.
Meanwhile, he threw 64 pitches and two swinging strikes.
UPDATE, 9:13 p.m.: Jonathan Albaladejo was injured and came out of the game. All is forgiven, Chris Britton. Come back.
It’s been a few days since somebody went on the DL. They were due.
UPDATE, 9:46 p.m.: Albaladejo has “discomfort in the medial right elbow” according to the Yankees.
That doesn’t sound good.
UPDATE, 10:10 p.m.: They can’t actually pull this off, can they?
UPDATE, 10:11 p.m.: Guess not. Nice try. Makes what Igawa did even worse.
Back later with some reaction.
oh god just make Bet bat LH vs everybody.
Igawa vs the Tigers offense… this should be fun.
Why is Johnny Damon out of the lineup??!!
Oy vey, what’s wrong with yesterday lineup? you know the one that they got a W with? The only change should’ve been Moeller for Molina.
the SWEEP starts HERE !
Duncan and Giambi and Wilson?
I *really* hope Girardi is playing a hunch.
ugh, Matsui in LF with the super fly ball pitcher Igawa on the mound. Sub optimal.
Imagine this lineup if we, by some miracle, got Mark T. right now to play 1st and had A-Rod and Posada back AND Damon at the top of the list. WOW….makes yer mouth watir !!!
Don’t like Betemit batting RH tonight.
This may not be pretty.
Poor Igawa. I sure hope he can’t read the Yankee fan boards with all the nice things said about him, eve more so if he doesn’t do well tonight.
“Don’t like Betemit batting RH tonight.”
Don’t like him doing it on any night. Ensberg’s bat isn’t so slow that he can’t catch up to Rogers…is it?
“This may not be pretty.”
I’m sure Igawa’s dad said that when he was on the verge of telling him he wanted to play baseball.
Yes, Damon’s only hitting .302 with over 50 ABs against this bum….make sure you SIT HIM DOWN….right ???
Igawa. Eek
I know Ensberg has been struggling, but this is the exact scenario they have him for. Even if Betemit has his normal form against lefties, that’s still not very good.
after every Igawa strikout, I like to yell his last name like those Ricola commercials…
we have nothing to lose with igawa pitching .we already think he stinks, maybe he’ll surprise us.
stranger things have happened.
i’m actually looking forward to seeing how he’ll do.
The last time Igawa pitched for us in the regular season, he staked us to a 5-0 lead.
Which Brian Bruney and (I think) Edwar Ramirez promptly blew.
“after every Igawa strikout”
After every igawa walk, I like to throw a full can of beer at the TV.
Remind me to pick up a 30-rack.
I expect that it will be Ramirez that gets sent down. Hopefully Moeller can work some magic on Igawa and make him pass for the day.
I keep hearing and reading how smart Girardi is. Is this an example of how smart he is?
Betemit is not a switch hitter. Just because he can swing the bat from either side doesn’t make him one. You actually have to hit sometimes.
Matsui in Left. How about we keep count of all the extra base hits he allows that Damon would have had as outs.
Did Ensberg go on the DL or something? Isn’t he a better option as a right handed bat at first than Duncan?
Betamit at third? Is this a prelude to Ensberg being released and the Yanks carrying 13 pitchers when A Rod returns?
joba should teach igawa his fist pump celebration for inning ending strike outs.
now that would be funny in japanese.
my question is should I go 6 pack, keg can or just a full keg for tonight’s start ?
Ensberg, Giambi(except when facing rhp that throw meatballs, Bettermeat(batting right handed), Jose Molina and Shelley Duncan should just go to the plate without a bat and hope the [itcher throws 4 balls beofre he throws 3 strikes.
CHRIS BRITTON HAS BEEN SENT DOWN TO MAKE ROOM FOR IGAWA.
Brandon go with 2 full kegs. And a 6 pack for emergency relief – relief.
“Francis The Praying Mantis
May 9th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Ensberg, Giambi(except when facing rhp that throw meatballs, Bettermeat(batting right handed), Jose Molina and Shelley Duncan should just go to the plate without a bat and hope the [itcher throws 4 balls beofre he throws 3 strikes.”
I think we need an Igawa drinking game for tonight.
A shot of vodka for every walk or maybe for every run given up?
Will I need to go to a hospital?
Seriously though, expecting the worst, hoping for the best. Go Igawa.
Igawa’s tossing tonight, brandon. Stick with the harder stuff.
A-Point…or even better, if Im Girardi, Id go Buttermaker on them and say “I need you to lean into one this time”….only Id say that everytime they were about to bat.
Brandon = Full Keg, for SURE
S.A. = Please don’t do either, it could be dangerous !
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Brandon, a keg for Igawa, and a keg in honor of this graduation thing
SA I’m game. A shot of vodka for every walk, a can of bear for every run and a bottle of Corona for every multiple HR
Can’t watch the game tonight…could be a good thing or a really bad thing. I’m hoping Igawa blows everyone away
Brandon….Sake, go with sake
beer * …I started early
randy l.
lol. I found this clip yesterday when I was looking for Pap’s temper tantrum.
Read the description, it’s pretty funny.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5jSw8wsQ3i0
“SA I’m game. A shot of vodka for every walk, a can of bear for every run and a bottle of Corona for every multiple HR”
lol
Will they allow alcohol in a hospital waiting room. Might as well watch the game there and drink. Save on travel time
That lineup makes me ill.
I have Miggy Cabrera on my fantasy team.
The Sox shut him down and continued his lousy season thusfar.
I think Igawa-Rasner is just what he needs.
“CHRIS BRITTON HAS BEEN SENT DOWN TO MAKE ROOM FOR IGAWA.”
Shocking.
I guess throwing 2.2 shutout innings against this very team doesn’t earn you much. Certainly not another opportunity of any kind. I mean, the guy hadn’t pitched at all since then.
Igawa 3.2 IP 5 ER
this game could get ugly……really fast
When the Tigers found out that Igawa was starting tonight, the upper management decided to change the teams logo from a tiger to Bob the Enzyte guy.
Igawa could be a large contributor toward cirrhosis conditions with a bad outing tonight.
Liquor stores are doing a brisk business today.
Sapporo or Kirin beer for Igawa. Maybe it’ll keep his pitches down?
Can someone call into Kay’s show and tell them he rubbed his hands through his hair and stuck a towel on his head yesterday too.!!!
so who would you rather have pitching for you tonight? igawa or kenny rogers? i think ill take igawa.
Remember the game that Igawa pitched against Boston when Karstens broke his leg? Maybe we can start someone else and bring Igawa in after the first batter? it sure couldn’t hurt :/
Id rather have Ralph Macchio start for the yankees tonight…better yet, Pat Morita
Sean Henn was cclaimed by the Padres today, thank the lord he’s gone.
I like this lineup, because I believe Girardi is subconsciously giving Igawa bad defense so IPK can come back sooner rather than later.
I’d like to think that Kei Igawa stands for everything Joe despises: doesn’t seem to have a problem with losing, full of excuses for bad performance, and of all people, showing up in ST out of shape.
Dee –
just to underscore your point – the minor league AAA team didn’t move anyone up to take Kei Igawa’s spot.
I don’t think that KI is going to buy a midtown place anytime soon.
LOL Francis!
when the yanks were beating seattle 6-1 on moose’s turn (2 days after the tigers beat up kennedy) i was thinking that joe should have just told kennedy to go warm up and put him in in the 8th inning. sometimes when a guy has no idea he’s gonna pitch, he turns in a great outing, and with a 5 run lead, id like to have seen goe give him a shot.
“When the Tigers found out that Igawa was starting tonight, the upper management decided to change the teams logo from a tiger to Bob the Enzyte guy.”
- God damnit that’s a great line!
“so who would you rather have pitching for you tonight? igawa or kenny rogers? i think ill take igawa.”
– I hope you are talking about the country singer and not the pitcher.
“so who would you rather have pitching for you tonight? igawa or kenny rogers? i think ill take igawa.”
I don’t know, Rogers did beat us last time.
I have to believe there is something we aren’t seeing with Britton. He was a SU man for Baltimore in 06, throws strikes, has had great AAA numbers, he also did well last year (3.55 ERA) and threw 3 scoreless innings this year. Aside from being overweight, what else is negative about him?
Torre never used him, Girardi doesn’t use him, and Cashman never talks about him when mentioning our relivers in the farm. He must have done something wrong.
NYPD113th -
God Bless you if you are a peace officer.
That said, you might be happier in life if you contributed in a forum where one human being agreed with you. Don’t piss into the wind.
“so who would you rather have pitching for you tonight? igawa or kenny rogers? i think ill take igawa.”
I’d rather have Suzyn Waldman
RIP Pat Morita.
Yeah for Sean Henn.
Igawa’s like Matsuzaka in that he’s often been blessed with generous run support.
Let’s hope that trend continues. Better yet, let’s hope that we don’t need it.
We couldn’t get to the Gambler last time, I think we’ll get him this time.
“That said, you might be happier in life if you contributed in a forum where one human being agreed with you. Don’t piss into the wind.”
–Wait, wait, wait.
You don’t think that there’s somebody here other than me that’d rather have Kenny Rogers than Kei Igawa pitch for their team tonight?
Wouldn’t it make sense if one day instead of talking about Joba’s fist pumps Mike & Dog asked Cashman or Girardi about why it seems that Britton is in the doghouse?
Wouldn’t that be a more useful way to spend 4 hours during their day?
BTW – the sports hernia has a couple yankee related articles up:
http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/
Joe .. ENOUGH with this BULL $#@! about resting your regulars!!!
It’s 36 lousy games into the year .. you’re telling me these guys are TIRED ALREADY?????
c’mon joe!!!
You’re KILLING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“You don’t think that there’s somebody here other than me that’d rather have Kenny Rogers than Kei Igawa pitch for their team tonight?”
I’d much rather have Rogers.
maybe Im naive, but does Kenny Rogers have some type of gambling problem or something? Why do people call him the gambler?
“Joe .. ENOUGH with this BULL $#@! about resting your regulars!!!
It’s 36 lousy games into the year .. you’re telling me these guys are TIRED ALREADY?????
c’mon joe!!!
You’re KILLING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
I can tell you’re a bit irrational at the moment, but what regular player that is regular do you have an issue with? Damon?
Molina played 2 games in a row, a night game followed by a day game. There’s no way he was catching tonight.
Francis,
I’m LOL but not at you…”The Gambler” is a Kenny Rogers, the country singer, song.
Francis –
It is a cultural reference from 1977
http://www.amazon.com/The-Gamb.....038;sr=8-4
“Francis,
I’m LOL but not at you…â€The Gambler†is a Kenny Rogers, the country singer, song.”
– WOW Scorpio! You didn’t just point that out did you?
Francis
Ask Jessic Alba next time you see her. She’ll explain it to you.
Yes, Damon needs to be at the top of tonight’s lineup and NYPD113th needs to take a hint and go away, like permanently !
Britton is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO shortchanged.
“and NYPD113th needs to take a hint and go away, like permanently !”
- Not as long as you’re here Vito!
Id much rather have Dolly Parton pitch.
Pick up your sword then,,,,En guard!
You gatta know when to fold em. Know when to hold em. Know when to walk away. Know when to run. You better count your money. When your sitting on the table.somethin,somethin,somethin… Help me out guys.
Francis,
I echo Scorpio’s LOL. You must be young? Although I swear I thought you were Hugh…
sing by the window and i’ll help you out!
SoS,
The only hand that the Gambler hides nowadays is his pitching hand.
Joe better have the umps inspect it.
No Damon?
relax, he’s sitting damon b/c he plays better when he gets some time off. also damon is ‘only’ batting .307 lifetime vs rogers, which is fine, but matsui is .400 and giambi has 4 homers in 25 ab’s against him.
…nowhere to hide…
…there’ll be time enough for countin’, when the dealing’s done !
……..
Damon is ONLY batting .300 in over 50 ABs against Rogers and Melky has not seen ONE dang pitch….EVER….yes…this is the game to rest Damon….STUPID MOVE !
I think that tonight is going to be a high scoring game. The Yanks should be able to score off Rogers and who knows what Igawa will do.
I don’t understand resting Damon when he is so hot. It does makes sense for Moeller to catch Igawa tonight and Rasner tomorrow since he caught them at SWB.
ONLY BATTING .300 ???….ONLY ???….are you out of your mind ???
Shame on Brian Cashman for bidding against himself and spending $46mil on Kei Igawa. I never read a scouting report that was impressed with Igawa’s stuff.
Double shame on Cashman for having Kei Igawa as Plan B if Hughes or Kennedy failed.
Wasn’t Melky out of the lineup last time against Rogers? Supposedly because he hadn’t seen him before? But he gets to play tonight. Huh!
How many of us are on Twitter? There are some good Yankee fans on there during the games blogging about it.
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i dont get it why is not molina playing tonight he is 5 for 12 off kenny rogers
DVAB –
Giambi has RAKED “the gambler” with power. 400 BA w/ 545 slug.
Matusi is only batting 500
Are YOU out of your mind?
Im not young…but Im Cuban and Italian and I grew up in mostly all black neighborhoods in NYC so Kenny Rogers catalog isnt one that I recognize no matter how popular he may have been.
also, Im sure Kenny Rogers has many other songs…why call the pitcher the gambler and not another one of his tracks?
LETS GO FATA.. & FRUITY PEBBLES VS JOE GIRARDI
Francis -
You aren’t missing much – the Marc Anthony with less talent.
Damon needs rest every now and then or he’ll start to break down. I have no problem with him sitting this one out tonight.
just read the Padres picked up Sean Henn great move by the pads picking up a an arm for peanuts…..
except Sean Henn isn’t an arm
Marc Anthony is the man…when he sings in Spanish that is.
“Double shame on Cashman for having Kei Igawa as Plan B if Hughes or Kennedy failed.”
Actually,
Alan Horne was the original backup plan for Hughes OR Kennedy failing.
Darrell Rasner then became the backup up plan for Hughes OR Kennedy.
However now they have a situation where Hughes AND Kennedy are out of the rotation at the same time. Which is why Igawa was called up.
However in a few weeks Joba will be in the rotation. Therefore it’ll be Joba and/or Kennedy/Rasner.
OK….I’ll make it simple for the simple ones….HOW DO YOU PLAY Melky instead of Damon ? Melky likely won’t see first base unless Rogers plunks him. Damon has a HOT BAT right now and is hitting .300 with over 50 ABs against Rogers. It is silly to put Melky leading off and I am SO hoping I get shown to be 100% wrong with my opinion, y’all !
Thanks guys. Im that guy that never learns a complete song. Sing the words i know louder than the singer himself and mumbles the rest. And i still dont know why i dont.
mel,
lol on the hiding comment.That was a nail biter yesterday. Ginobli is hurt and playing through it. CP3 is iverson with more skill. If we take this series, i believe that we’ll be to beat up and worne out for l.a. Its seems like its all lined up perfectly for your Lakers.
Francis,
I think he’d prefer to be called the gambler than Lady. Or maybe not.
Brandon
2 kegs intravenous might do the job tonight.
He’d probably prefer to be called The Pitcher, but thats just me.
Don Vito A. Bellamo:
Have you ever seen Johnny D. play CF?
Kei Igawa is a flyball pitcher. We need as much range as possible out there and a strong arm.
“Shame on Brian Cashman for bidding against himself and spending $46mil on Kei Igawa. I never read a scouting report that was impressed with Igawa’s stuff.”
Cashman always thought Igawa would be a back end of the rotation guy ala Carlos Silva who received 48Mil from the Mariners to be a back end guy.
However, Igawa salary is only 26 mil for a 6 year contract IIRC, which has a much lesser hit on the salary cap. If Igawa would have been what Cashman thought he’d be the deal wouldn’t look bad at all.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=2680508
M&MD are just amazing – they have Joe Girardi on for 20 minutes or so and they are insisting on bringing up the stupid issue with the fist pump and how it’s not the Yankee way…I do think Joba needs to tone it down a bit, but wow are they beating a dead horse. I want to smack both of them.
TKinDC ….have I ever seen Damon play CF ???,,,,likely MANY more times than you have, dude !….If Melky goes 0 for 5 and leaves like 5 guys on base and we lose by 1 run and he makes no real plays in the OF,,,then ….nah….fergitt it !
raymagnetic,
I appreciate what your saying but Igawa should never have been on the depth chart at all. That fact that he is speaks volumes about how shallow the pool really is.
Pitiful lineup tonight. Igawa, et al, will need to hold the Tigers to two runs or less!!
Don Vito, I’m with you, Damon needs to be in the lineup leading off but my beef is, why Duncan?
Should be: Giambi @ 1B, Melky CF, Damon LF, Matsui DH = One big happy family.
“M&MD are just amazing – they have Joe Girardi on for 20 minutes or so and they are insisting on bringing up the stupid issue with the fist pump and how it’s not the Yankee way”
I said this yesterday, that this is what pisses me off about them most. They have the access to interview Cash, Girardi, guys like this…and then they ask them the STUPIDEST, most irrelevant bullcrap. Or questions to which the answers are obvious…”So, you guys think Cano’s gotten lazy because of his contract?” or something similarly moronic.
big bad Fatcessa and Fruit Juice went into a sissy interview after talking about laying it on Girardi, what happened.
Don Vito –
“likely MANY more times than you have, dude” how do you know? were you his little league coach?
he has no arm and okay range. Has the news gotten to you that Melky leads the team in HR’s?
I guess not.
“Don Vito, I’m with you, Damon needs to be in the lineup leading off but my beef is, why Duncan?”
Because the only reason he’s here is to hit lefties. If he can’t deliver in games like today’s, then there is literally no point in having him on the team. These is exactly the games he’s supposed to play in.
chris britton said that the yankees should pay the gas and tolls bcs. every other day he comes and goes to scranton…..
Betsy Joba has toned it down a bit. Before yesterday the last time he did the fist pump was against Frank Thomas. Which was like 4 weeks ago.
“big bad Fatcessa and Fruit Juice went into a sissy interview after talking about laying it on Girardi, what happened.”
I complained about that yesterday too!
I’m glad to know that I wasn’t imagining that they do this.
TKinDC…..I WAS his little league coach, how did you guess ?…Scorpio…I am with you on that one….get Duncan Hines outta the lineup and then TKinDC and I can stop fighting over the Damon/Melky thang !
“These is exactly the games he’s supposed to play in.”
I am the king of grammar.
Oh,,,and $1000 says Melky comes closer to striking out 3 times than hitting a HR against Kenny !
“get Duncan Hines outta the lineup”
Like I said…if he’s not going to play in games like today’s, then they should just cut him. Do you think he should be cut? If not, then stop whining about him playing today. If you do…ok, that’s fine.
whozat,
ok, I’m all for giving Shelly the benefit of the doubt, hope he capitalizes. Damon will be missed though.
No one really has a bad history against Rogers as seen in the splits, let’s just hope they can all put it together today.
cut him !
Don Vito -
How can I stay mad at you when I am typing with these pinstripe pom poms on?
It isn’t fighting, it is just me convincing you how incredibly wrong you were to ever challenge even the smallest thought that ever occurred to me
(total bs by the way!!!)
it is all good in the hood.
Carmelo Anthony on the trading block ?
be back later.
“Damon will be missed though.”
Then who would you sit instead? Giambi? Matsui? Both have even better numbers against Rogers. Do you want Matsui/Damon/Abreu in the OF?
“I appreciate what your saying but Igawa should never have been on the depth chart at all. That fact that he is speaks volumes about how shallow the pool really is.”
They could have brought up another rookie pitcher instead of Igawa, there are other options in the minors. However what good does it do to bring up another rookie to an offense as good as the Tigers?
There’s also 40 man roster implications with some of the other guys that might have been brought up to spot start.
“cut him !”
Ok, then. At least that’s an internally consistent point of view. What should the Yankees do about their generally hideous performance against left handed pitching? This happened all of last year as well. What right-handed bat would you acquire? How would you acquire him?
I hate My9 Yankee broadcasts. No pre or post.
I would sit Duncan and take my chances with .300 Damon. lefty vs. lefty.
Bring it on, Gambler!
Shelley’s a nice kid but there’s a reason he’s a 29 year old minor leaguer.
“That fact that he is speaks volumes about how shallow the pool really is.”
Igawa was initially 9th on the depth chart.
Wang
Pettitte
Hughes
Moose
Ian
Rasner
Karstens
Horne
Igawa
It sucks that the Yankees are down to their 9th starter, essentially, but it’s ridiculous to complain that Cash doesn’t have a better 9th starter than Igawa. To say he should have predicted that three guys ahead of him would get hurt and another would be ineffective is kind of ridiculous.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
This is going to be a high scoring game and a battle of the bullpen. Hopefully we can be patient against Rogers, make him throw a lot of pitches, and beat up their bullpen early in the series.
We really need Kei to go at least 5 and give up less than 4. Unlikely, but there’s always hope.
You cant totally fault Cashman for the Igawa signing. His e.r.a. in Japan was only a half a run higher than Dice. The only other option he had was Lilly.
Whozat…I am just yankin’ yer chain, dude. Let’s agree that we don’t agree,,,K ?….I would rather have Melky in CF ….and Damon’s bat right now ( remember…he’s HOT ) I really don’t care why Duncan is on the roster…tonight, I wouldn’t use him over Damon….that’s all….you think otherwise…I understand…..now if I could just see this flippin’ computer screen while trying to peer through these sunglasses that have NY plastered all over the lenses…. DANG !…
Francis,
I think we call him the Gambler because, and correct me if I’m wrong guys, but he starred in a tv movie called…”The Gambler”.
And I can’t recall a single other song by him. “Lady”? Did someone say that?
“I would sit Duncan and take my chances with .300 Damon. lefty vs. lefty.
Bring it on, Gambler!
Shelley’s a nice kid but there’s a reason he’s a 29 year old minor leaguer.”
Fine for today. However, there are plenty of lefties against whom some of our lefties stink. What should the yankees do about those cases?
I acknowledge that Duncan is a career minor leaguer. However, if you don’t think he should play in today’s game, then there’s no reason for him to be on this team at all. That’s a fine point of view to hold. It essentially means that you think Duncan can’t survive as even a platoon guy at the major league level. Ok. So who do you go get to help balance this lineup? If you have no answer…well, then, they need to see if Duncan’s going to perform in these kinds of situations. And so it makes perfect sense to play him in tonight’s game.
SoS,
I thought your Spurs were in trouble at the half. Big push in the second and good move to start Manu, who is not a 6th man by any definition.
Lilly did great today, but I’m not one to second-guess moves, especially when you can’t undo them. Can you imagine if the contracts weren’t guaranteed? We’d be dropping guys by the innings.
Thank God I don’t work with any of you. You’d have thrown hissy fits and cried the first time one of your team members failed or made a mistake. Or worse, you’d be ready to kill yourselves because someone had an idea based on ration rather than an emotional reaction.
This board, at it is thus far today, is ridiculous. Learn about baseball before the daily line-up whining begins. Look at the stats. Learn about resting people over 162 games. Research who is playing hurt this year (Jeter and Damon).
But most of all, get a clue. This is not a video game. This is a professional organization they are trying to run.
Whozat…and when Duncan goes 0 fer 5 and leaves 7 on base…will you still hold on to your silly argument ?
Westerner99 …oh my…the voice of reason has arrived !!!…everybody sit in your seats and keep quiet…this is no place for any goofing around !
This not a video game ???? Dang…that explains why every time I see that Westerner99 bozo, that my ESCAPE and DELETE and END buttons don’t work….thanks for ‘splainin’ that BOSS !…I am going to go get my mind right…ok ?
“I really don’t care why Duncan is on the roster”
Then you’re not particularly interested in thinking about how the Yankees can overcome one of their chief issues from last season: an inability to beat left-handed pitching. Yes, more pitching will help them keep more games close overall, but that doesn’t mean one should ignore other areas in which the roster can be improved.
I think Girardi was going to give Johnny Damon a game off here in Detroit at some point, especially playing in a stretch of 13 games in 13 days after long April/early May. Now, if that’s the plan because Damon gets banged up a lot. Where would you rest him? Against Rogers who he hits .302 against with most of the damage before 2005, against Bonderman who he hits .429 against, or against Robertson who he hits .364 against.
whozat,
Thanks for laying out the SP order. I swear I’ve been feeling gloomy all day not because of the horrible weather in NY but because I felt sorry for our team that we have sunk down to Kei Igawa so soon in the season. Having your depth chart in front of me makes me feel less pitiful.
whozat,
i get your point, but Shelly can platoon when A-Rod & Po get back, right now with the team hovering at .500, i’d rather have Damon’s bat than learn whether or not Shelley is good enough.
“Whozat…and when Duncan goes 0 fer 5 and leaves 7 on base…will you still hold on to your silly argument ?”
I don’t have a silly argument. I have a valid argument. Either you believe Duncan’s performance thus far is an accurate picture of him as an MLB player and believe he has no place on this roster, or you believe he needs more ABs. If the former, fine. If the latter, then he needs to be playing tonight. How he actually does tonight does not impact whether playing him was the right decision. If you don’t think he’s dead weight, then he needs to play tonight.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3389031
Sexon suspended 6 games.
It’s pretty funny. Yesterday Sexson apologized for the “chick move” (throwing his batting helmet at Gabbard)
How many times will Betemit strikeout against Rogers? I’m betting at least twice, if not three times!
silly argument
Was that Gabbard that Sexson charged? If so, he’s a pretty big wussy. He just kind of stooped over and waited for Sexson to pound him. Man, I miss Nolan Ryan! He would have dropped Sexson like a bad habit! HA!!!
“i get your point, but Shelly can platoon when A-Rod & Po get back, right now with the team hovering at .500, i’d rather have Damon’s bat than learn whether or not Shelley is good enough.”
But we need to know as soon as possible. As the roster starts to crunch, we need to know who we’re going to keep among him, Ensberg, Betemit, and maybe even Giambi. We need to know if neither Morgan or Shelley is good enough, and the team needs to go looking for a platoon right-handed bat. As guys come back, there won’t be ABs to find that out. The whole reason he’s on this team is to play in games like tonight’s. If they don’t think he’s going to hit a soft-tossing lefty, then they should just cut him and be done with it.
“silly argument”
Wow. That was an iron-clad, well-reasoned refutation of my point.
Kudos.
Shelly Duncan is a AAAA player. Always has been…
Chicago Dave…the over/under is 2.5 !
Chicago Dave = Valid Argument
Whozat = Silly argument
Yes Lady. I think it goes like this.
Lady….im your night and shining armour and i love you. Lady!!! I need your love.. Could be wrong.
Yes kenny was in a movie the gambler.
Sean Henn signed with San Diego
On a different note…Is Girardi finally learning how to use Ohlendorf properly? God, I hope so! He could really develop into a pretty good late-innings reliever if they give him the opportunity.
Whozat, in reference to your prior attack on my character, I can only offer multiple words that may encourage you to partake in an activity that may bring you great pain or great pleasure, based on your preferences that have been established for many years as a result of life experiences that you may or may not have either experienced or sought to experience that, if I were to fully explain them, could well cause you great embarassment and cause my presence on this form of communication to be terminated. ( is that better ? )
“Sean Henn signed with San Diego”
Good for Sean…He’ll certainly enjoy the weather out there (if he isn’t assigned to the minors, that is).
Westerner, I just read your post and felt okay about being here to post right now, even if it is going to be short lived. I haven’t bothered coming around for a bit (probably a cause to celebrate for the members of the lohud Whiners Club) because I find the lack of rational vs. emotional posting in short supply. I enjoy the posts of some of the people here, but there are so many freakin ridiculous crybabies that I find it hard to believe that many whiners actually congregate in one place.
So far, the only Yankee head that hasn’t been called for is – you know, they’ve probably called for all of them! I find their lack of appreciation for all this organization has been and given to its fans absolutely appalling. Imagine if the Yankees ended up having a mediocre season from beginning to end? They would curse every single Yankee player, coach, the manager, GM, and the owners.
Of course, when you are perfect at everything you do in life, you have the right to expect the same from the members of the team you root for.
Anyway, since I support Igawa, I thought I would be as trite as some of the whiners here are if I hid on the night he was going to pitch.
Congratulations to those of you who have more of a tolerance for crybabies than I do. At least you can keep each other company. What a sadass place when you can actually show up at any time and will be assured that someone will be whining about something.
The New York Yankees – the most storied franchise in the history of organized sports. The players – men who want to go out and have success as much as fans want them to, if not more, but unfortunately are men and not machines.
GO YANKEES!
Trisha – Wow, you’re an Igawa supporter, too?! You must truly be a saint!
“my presence on this form of communication to be terminated.”
Using more words doesn’t make you sound more intelligent. Especially when you crank out a gem like this. How can you have a “presence on a form of communication”?
If you think Duncan’s a AAAA player, that’s fine. I’ve already said that 16 times (that’s hyperbole, by the way. I haven’t ACTUALLY said it 16 times.) But, tell me how you’d address the long-standing Yankee weakness against lefty pitching.
If you want to say they should have gotten Kevin Mench (poor fielder, whines about playing time, but could be a great platoon option for Abreu in RF), that’d be reasonable. If you want to say make a big move for Adam Dunn and put him at first (can he be as bad as Jason??), fine. But THINK. Do some research and MAKE A POINT.
whozat…how can you be so DAFT as to take that seriously ?..How about we go out and start acquiring baseball players that hit well against lefty pitching ???…or better yet…how about, each time a lefty pitcher throws a pitch, we go all “Richie” on him with a guy on our team we could do without for a few games…someone like, I don’t know…DUNCAN ??? LOL
” it’s ridiculous to complain that Cash doesn’t have a better 9th starter than Igawa.”
especially since the first rule of the blog is “thou shall not criticize cashman”.
actually i am not so dwon on si
“But, tell me how you’d address the long-standing Yankee weakness against lefty pitching.”
Find multi-dimensional hitters who can consistently exhibit patience and strike zone discipline at the plate. Regardless, guys like Duncan (and Betemit, etc.) who desperately swing for the fences every pitch of every AB are certainly not the answer.
Whozat,,,one last thing ( no, not really ) ..if you think that everyone on here backs up their *opinions* by THINKING and RESEARCHING, then you must be in the wrong place, Einstein !
Trisha
What a rant. You must realize that you are whining about whiners.
BTW, I support Igawa, Farnsworth and all of them. Though I was p’od at Mussina for his Manny pitches.
Vrsce , I’m glad you said that first !
whoops-
what i was saying was that i’m not so much down on signing igawa. i would have liked the yankees to have pitched him like he was pitched in japan and that was with a lot of innings and pitches per game. he often went 145 pitches three to four games in a row.
i do realize that he was so bad that it was hard to give him innings, but this affected his command. it became a circular problem.
My prediction for Igawa tonight…He will last 3.2 innings and give up 7 or maybe 8 runs before he is pulled.
… SO Damon has by far the most PA vs.KR and is hitting over .300… yet he’s left out of the lineup today. In addition to the fact that he had a couple big hits yesterday. Ummm… ok…
Does Damon still have a bad foot? Does anyone know?
….they all look so angry…
When does displeasure about your team losing become “whining?” By definition, fans are not terribly logical and reasonable about their team. They are fanatics, after all. But there has to be some leeway between being a full-time cheerleader and being a considered a whiner.
Can someone explain how the Yankees lost control of Henn? Was he cut, or was it some type of waiver process? I know he was on the DL for some time, but he started in AAA, so i’m confused as to how he could’ve been exposed to another team picking him up. Unless, of course, the Yankees just straight up cut him.
Chicago Dave….Only if the Yankees score 12 and win the game, do I like your prediction. This way…the bum goes away for good…AND we get the win !
Nice picture, Pete! Is Duncan Giambi’s personal man servant or something? Looks like he follows Giambi wherever he goes.
“if you think that everyone on here backs up their *opinions* by THINKING and RESEARCHING”
Man, if only they would. Then their opinions would actually be worth the time spent reading.
Don Vito – I don’t like my prediction either, but I’m afraid it might end up being accurate! I always want to see the Yanks win, but sometimes you can just feel a bad night coming (especially with Igawa on the bump), you know?
Chicago Dave – A saint, or perhaps according to some, an idiot.
My problem, if you will, is that I tend to see players first as human and then as ball players. So I figure they laugh like the rest of us, cry like the rest of us, feel good like the rest of us, and hurt like the rest of us. I decided a long time ago that I didn’t have the right to demand of them any more than I demand of myself. Since I know I am prone to good and bad days, why should they be any different?
I think if you support your team, you support it. I also think that players who aren’t playing well hurt a lot more than we would think. The booing bothers them, the lack of support bothers them, their own poor playing bothers them.
But Chicago Dave, most of all I think that you don’t flip out per bat or per game. If I had to list every player here who has had to be at the end of pure OUTRAGE on the part of one poster or another on one day or another, the list of the exempt would be the short list! What’s up with that?! I thought a fan was someone who cheered for the team through thick and thin. It’s one thing to feel down or disappointed when your team or some individual player isn’t doing well. It’s another to rail like someone killed your mother! These players don’t WANT to stink out the joint. Sometimes they run into buzzsaws and sometimes their bats are cold, and sometimes they can’t locate their pitches.
But thought it all they’re giving their best. Shouldn’t that be enough for us?
Yeah, I do believe in Igawa, but I also understand why most others wouldn’t. I’m patient.
Blargh, did you both THINK about that and do the proper amount of RESEARCH before subjecting all of us to your post ?
“if you think that everyone on here backs up their *opinions* by THINKING and RESEARCHING”
Uhhh. Put me on the list of not thinking or researching. It gives me migranes. Ill just copywrite sj,cb and all the insiders posts.lol
P.S. – Michelle Damon looks completely bored in that picture…
Don Vito: What, can’t take what you dish out?
“Find multi-dimensional hitters who can consistently exhibit patience and strike zone discipline at the plate.”
They DID. Ensberg has a career OPS over .900 against lefties. Even last year, he was at .830 against them. His OBP was 90 points higher than his AVG against lefties. He’s struggling this year. Duncan actually DID show a good plate approach last season, though this season it looks like he’s swinging from his heels all the time. They both had excellent springs. Plenty of reason to think they’d hit lefties…especially Ensberg, since he ALWAYS has.
Fine, you’ve soured on these two options. Who do you want to go and get?
Don Vito
Just when you thought he was out, they drag him back in.
jgnyc,
I believe he was on the 40 man roster and they needed to make room once Arod got hurt. So he was unprotected.
Blargh ( love your name by the way )…again, I have to question the RESEARCH you put in before your last post.
“Is Duncan Giambi’s personal man servant or something? Looks like he follows Giambi wherever he goes.”
Duncan’s dad was with the A’s back in the day, so Shelley’s known Giambi since he was…15 or so? Maybe even younger.
Trisha – You do need a thick skin at times to survive on this blog! Having said that, I do think people should be allowed to vent their frustration when the Yanks aren’t playing well. They just need to refrain from personally attacking one another in the process…
Who wants to bet (and how much) Igawa will walk the first batter?
They all look very..intense in that picture
“I believe he was on the 40 man roster and they needed to make room once Arod got hurt. So he was unprotected.”
They needed to make room for Stewart, I think it was. And Henn was on the 40. Still technically on his rehab assignment. They activated him, DFA’d him, and added Stewart to the 40-man so he could be put on the 25-man so he could come catch when Posada had to go on the DL. At least, I think that’s when it was.
” Fine, you’ve soured on these two options. Who do you want to go and get? ”
.
….ummm,,,let me see,,,,can we go out and get Babe Ruth ????….dang…no….it says UNAVAILABLE here….HONEY….get me an encyclopedia, QUICK !!!
VRSCE –
Ellen – I actually just covered that point. And sure there is that middleground. Cripes, if everyone was nothing but a cheerleader it would sound mindless. Better that we leave it to me and one or two others to do that part of it.
I can always understand disappointment and frustration. I can’t understand the level of venom I see though toward players who wear the pinstripes but may not be wearing them quite the way we all wish they would on any given night – or in any given month.
I kind of believe in unconditional love. I also believe in tough love, but only when you need to pull it out. If someone is showing a lack of hustle and you sit them down, they probably need that. But if someone is doing everything they can to help the team win but they’re just not making the grade, I don’t see the point in annihilating them.
“Having said that, I do think people should be allowed to vent their frustration when the Yanks aren’t playing well.”
Sure! But, if you’re going to sit around and nitpick decisions that Girardi/Cash/the organization make…tell me what you’d do instead. Otherwise, what’s the point?
barry, I will be you a billion dollars that he throws at least one ball to the first batter….
I dread Chicago Dave’s prediction but I’m afraid that’s not being pessimistic, that’s just rational given who we have on the mound tonight.
I think Shelley and Giambi have known each other for more than a decade since Jason’s A’s days when Shelley was a kid hanging around the clubhouse with his dad.
How do they get front row seats? Do they just pay season ticket holders stupid amounts of money to give them up for the night?
Who’s that guy on the left of the photo, Pete?
whozat – Thanks for the info. on Duncan. I didn’t know that. As for your comments re: Ensberg…I meant my comments more generally, as in hitters who potentially can hit BOTH righties and lefties well because of the solid approach they take at the plate every AB. I didn’t mean the Yanks should hone in simply on guys who have compiled some decent stats against just lefties (or just righties). Regardless, I would encourage a more diverse approach to evaluating hitters than simply looking at a statistic (or even two or three statistics). You need to actually watch a guy’s ABs to get a sense of how he approaches things, you know?
As for Ensberg…He has looked lost at the plate for some years now. Lefties OR righties…He hasn’t exactly lit up the joint. So, no, I don’t think anyone should have necessarily assumed that he was going to be some sort of “answer” to anything.
oops, didn’t see whozat already clarify Jason and Shelley’s relationship…sorry about repetition.
Isn’t it the point of these blogs & fansites to be “armchair GMs” & “laptop managers”?? It’s supposed to be fun & therapeutic, otherwise, why call yourself a fan?
Chicago Dave, well let me say this. I think you (the general you, not you personally) have a lot more credibility if you selectively vent, rather than if you can be counted on to wet your pants any time something goes wrong, and then throw an automatic nonstop tantrum! And that definitely does happen here. Now that’s whacked out. And it doesn’t really speak well of the level of support one really has for one’s team. That’s my opinion anyway.
Here’s the dream I had last night. I tuned into tonight’s game and the first inning wasn’t even over and Igawa had already given up 5 runs, and I felt sick inside because I knew that I was going to have to hear a ration of stuff about how everyone was right about Igawa. (And I wasn’t going to be able to answer to it because it would sound ludicrous for me to support him. I mean I would be tomatoed off the forum – and I would have to understand why!) That was definitely a stress dream and not a prophetic dream, by the way. Fran can tell you that my inability to call numbers of runs and final scores is second to none!
trisha,
When i first started seeing your post here i didnt know if your were crazy or just a possitive person. You tear people up for being negative and never have any problem with a player doing bad. Its just not normal. I want to trade a different person on the team weekly.Now im convinced your possitively crazy.lol I mean your in the minority how else would you describe yourself?
trisha – agreed, no one should be annihilated. But when, for example, a pitcher walks the first batter in an inning, then grooves one to the next batter (who promptly deposits the ball over the outfield wall), it’s disappointing. What I see here, though, is that fans who express their disappointment in such a situation are labelled whiners or bandwagon fans. That is, frankly, ridiculous. You can be hopeful, even confident, that your team will overcome such a deficit. The point is that it’s OK to say, “boy, that stinks” – with even more emphasis, perhaps – without being a whiner or a bandwagoneer.
Barry I’ll take the bet. I will bet Igawa does not walk the first batter. Want do you want to play for?
OK, all, I’ve got to split for a while. Hopefully when I get back you won’t be at each others throats! (Be kind to Trisha…She means well and she is a fellow Yankees fan, after all!)
Barry – what if the first pitch is in the strikezone and gets hit?
Ellen – I absolutely agree with you! But I think there is a vast difference between saying “that stinks” and “that guy is a bum! why don’t they just DFA him. Yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada.” I think when someone starts to get crazed because a player who is struggling takes a bad swing (yet another) and some poster is ready to call him the worst signing in the world and a mistake and and and and and – i think you know what I mean.
SOS – not a question I am pretty much out here without much of a parachute or team rooting me on. But that never bothers me. Being positive creates its own energy. Being negative knocks you to kingdom come.
It’s really not a bad way to live!
Trisha
We are probably in accord. I like all the Yankees. I am a Yankee fan, happy when they win and low when they do not. Like most fans, I am not objective; the players, who are professionals, are objective, it is their living.
So when Giambi, (whom I have always liked) is getting $22mm and hitting .155, I am upset. he is hurting my team, I care about the team, I respect the team and I want the players to feel the same way, although that is naive, except I truly believe that Jeter cares.
So, if a player demonstrates that they are more important than the team, I am going to complain.
Heading out. Have a good game, everybody.
Does Giambi color his hair? I swear he had a lot of gray last week but now it looks jet black…
“But I think there is a vast difference between saying “that stinks†and “that guy is a bum!”
Would throwing empy beer cans at the t.v. like whozat does be considered somewhere in between? Or how about my F-BOMBS at the player when he strands runners or gives up a game changing hit?
I’m on my way to my cousins house, pretty upset I can’t participate in the drinking game (top of the thread if you missed it). I’m game next time though
Question: if you’re playing an Internet drinking game does it count as drinking alone??
shelley should consider wearing a hat all the time.
VRSCE, I guess the stuff can get a little subjective. I am in complete agreement with the “hurting the team” stuff. But the way I think about it is when I believe a player is being selfish and is hurting the team in the process. And really, what gives me the right to say a player is being selfish? But I have done it. I’ll give you an example. If I had been posting here with David Cone was pitching for the Yankees the season he had his no hitter, I would probably have been considered worse than the most out-of-control complainer on this blog. I hated Cone with a passion when he would go out to the mound and kills us every 5th day. (It started as soon as he got his no hitter.) He was not getting any better, we were losing every game he pitched, yet he would not volunteer to get help with his pitching, nor would Joe Torre take the ball from him. I thought I was going to pop a blood vessel! I don’t think I loved George Steinbrenner any more than the night he ordered Torre to send Cone down to Tampa!
Michelle needs to sue her plastic surgeon.
SOS – hmmmm. Good questions.
Of course I’m the wrong one to ask. The most I end up doing is saying DAMMIT!
Trisha – I am glad you came back. I think a lot of people just expect the Yanks to always win and get frustrated when they don’t. Some of the posters do go overboard and get a little ridiculous. They have DFA’s just about every player on the team. Just ignore those.
Now for the important stuff Trisha – tonight’s score prediction. I really think the Yanks will win but it will be a high scoring game. I leave the numbers to you!
after seeing that hockey photo pete added, i’m wondering if it’s smart letting shelly duncan see a hockey game. imagine if he brings what he observed to the baseball field tonight .
mel,
She’s just bloated. It happens to all women. All i want to say is GO WINGS!!
In the picture heres what they are all thinking.
Giambi-I wonder if i would be faster in skates?
Duncan-You mean i can bash someone here and not get tossed? Im in the wrong sport.
Michele-This is too damn cold for me. When is the seventh inning stretch start?
Damon-Why did i bring her!!
I remember reading that Giambi is maried but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a pic of his wife. Does he have kids?
6-4 Yankees – GEM by Igawa (by his standards)
Be Nice. Mrs. Damon is with child.
Wow, at least they look like they’re having a good time…NOT REALLY.
Bob Ryan’s taking Tony’s place on PTI.
They’ve covered Joba, Alex, Jeter, Farnsworth
Big Yankee day.
Hope Sean Henn can make it in San Diego
Watching Yankees on Deck. Shelley and Joba playing miniature golf. If someone already announced that, sorry. Usually only get the read the immediate posts when I come on since there always so many!
GO YANKEES!
GO MINNY!
GO KEI, OR I WILL NEVER LIVE IT DOWN!!!!!
Shelley just showed up Joba with a fist pump in Kids on Deck while playing Mini Golf… this will be brought up on the ned M&MD show.
with regards to Damon …you r right she should sue …yikes
pat,
Okay, I’ll be nice. But the fact remains that her nose looks like it got chopped off and I thought your boobs were supposed to get big, not your lips. Okay, okay. I’ll be nice starting…now.
Mel – out of curiousity did they have a problem with Joba on PTI?
Jake,
They must have been stars fans.
pat,
My bad. Didnt know she was pregnant.
Michele-Damn its too cold and i have to pee.
Giambi was married. Havnt heard of a divorce. Not a bad looking lady.
Mel – funny post!
Pat, Giambi’s wife is his second wife and by genteel standards I would have to say that she looks pretty rough around the edges. You want to see someone scary, check out a picture of Papsmear’s wife! I’m not being mean, just factual.
Fran, I need you to keep the Kei bandwagon up and running! I’ll pull the wagon if you will push from behind! He he he.
Okay, tonight’s score. 7-2 Yankees. (I was going to say 7-5 but don’t want to give the Tigers that many runs!)
8-3 Yanks
Thats a Great picture…They look like three dudes that you dont want to F with..
Here we go!
Let’s get some runs nice and early
If there is justice, pine tar Rogers will get a drubbing in front of his fans.
Fran,
Yes, Wilbon more than Ryan. Something about double standard that hitters can not show up the pitchers otherwise they get plunked (he has a point). He said Delucci should be quiet and just hit a homerun the next time he faces Joba. I’m thinking, “As if!”
A-Rod was mentioned because his Landlord Donald Trump said he can’t perform under pressure.
They both said Jeter was the cooler guy than Brady. Ryan’s really down on Brady.
They didn’t like that Farnsworth’s suspension was reduced. Something about starters get 5 games(1 start). So in their eyes they think that if a starter did that he should get what 15 games? Stupid.
If you throw 5 changeups in a row, is it no longer a changeup?
Nice hit Jeter. Let’s hope we can hit mr. pine tar today.
its so nice to hear leiter and singleton in the booth for once. now we wont have to deal with the lovefest that exists between kay cone and oneill
Wow, Pads let Edmonds go. I wonder if someone will pick him up.
I hope these announcers arent as bad as the white sox. If so, does anyone know where sap button is on my computer.
OMG,
Danica Patrick hit some pit guy (he was in her designated area), but still pretty traumatic.
Our offense really rules.
mel
I have a rule never to say a pregnant woman looks anything but great because it’s a tough time for a body and all the hormones can make for less than a clear mind. In about 7 months, I’ll be happy to agree with you that her plastic surgeon may not have been board certified but just can’t do it now.
I think Mrs. Damon’s hottness depends on whether you have a Y chromosome. Most guys seem to think she’s hot.
Alright Igawa. Time to shine
Thanks Mel. I saw the thing about Trump dissing ARod on the news last night. He said that Derek and ARod both live in his buildings, but everyone loves Derek and not Alex because Alex wilts under pressure. Then Trump said he better be quiet or Alex will move out.
Let’s go Yankees. Got your back Trisha
meatball
mel,
I heard a driver say that she is a strong women. Her handshake is like Duncan high fives.
1 pitch and ive seen enough.
good start lol
Maybe scheduling him for Wednesday was premature
did you see iguana watch that one soar?
oh dear
oh Igawa….
That wass not the way we wanted Igawa to start – although he did not walk the batter!
Welcome back Igawa! Now go away.
Please be hurt so we can finally end this Igawa experiment.
not missing any bats yet…
god… it looks like bp for these tigers
ouch.
I honestly don’t see how he is going to get outs unless what happens with the first out
I will now collect on my bet. I said he would not walk the first batter also…
wow.. Igawa has some sick stuff tonight… making the Tigers look horrible.
TOO BAD THAT LINER DIDN’T HIT HIM IN THE HEAD…THIS GUY’SA DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN…
Can they give him a right handed glove and see how he pitches right handed? It cant be worse.
so who do we get up?
rasner?
good lord..
where’s my vodka
where’s a cliff….
If you got hit in the arse. Do you act like it doesnt hurt or rub it in front of 50 thousand fans?
Girardi is a genius…
seriously?
THIS IS A JOKE!!!
I cannot believe what I am seeing here with these swings in a regular season Major League game
Good jeepers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He has the Tigers totally of balance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The league should allow him to pitch with body armor on………
Cashman!! See if San Diego needs another one of our useless lefties.
Geeze. Come on Kei.
this is pretty entertaining at least
i say let him go all 9
IPK is sitting in Scranton, watching Igawa get hammered, thinking, “I can do that just as well as he can.”
This is going to be embarassing… for the Tigers who can’t get hits off this bum. How embarassing.
well he only gave up 1 run, could be a lot worse
Wow! Only 1 run after all that…
GO YANKS!
when will it be clear to the mgr that he ought to find a different picther?
Well he limited the damage. Maybe he had a case of nerves. I’m hoping.
Can they just drop this guy and call it a loss. seriously he stinks.
ok..we are gonna need runs…and lots of them
Back to work bats
This is me possitive for trisha. Atleast he didnt walk anyone this inning. Good sign.
hey, no problem 1 run. this is an emergency starter, the offense has to come through and they will.
Wow. We’ve lost this game.
Glad to see Igawa hasn’t lost his touch.
Igawa’s hand = Where doubles go to be born.
LOL Cashman.
Their will be a silver lining to tonight’s game…regardless of wenesday’s promise…
… this should probably be the last time we see of Kei Igawa
So let’s just take our beating tonight with a BIG SMILE!!!
Where are the sunglasses??!! He wouldn’t be getting smacked around if he wore the glasses!! So lets see will he last past 3 innings tonight? I doubt it. So who pitches in his spot next week? Great signing Cashman..what a absolute waste this guy is.
The ONLY one Igawa has EVER fooled is Cashman……….
Guys, relax. This is a very aggressive team that swept us last week.
Igawa’s no savior, but he’s certainly not the goat here.
Igawa, I’m struggling to support you here. Give me something to work with…
i like shelley but when is he going to do something
no walks.
none of the fielders got killed.
could have been worse.
giambi owns gambler 4 hr in 25 ab’s
Wow, Giambi just swung for the fences. Why am I not surprised?
That was just awful. How they only managed to score 1 run is beyond me. I would give Girardi mad managing props if he got someone up right now just by seeing how the Tigers hit the ball that first inning.
the game isn’t over yet..
Maybe we will see a better Igawa in the bottom of the second(that could be the alcohol talking)
Yankee bats will make KR into a Cy Young pitcher tonight
Three quick points:
1) Shouldn’t Betemit only be hitting against RIGHT handers? He’s 10 times of a better hitter lefty than righty. . .
2) Finally we don’t have to deal with Henn anymore. I mean, he had his moments (kind of) but it was time.
3)Igawa is already scheduled for another start??? What??? Kennedy is available then. . . why don’t they pitch him? Let’s let Kennedy dominate AAA while Igawa makes his case for HR Derby pitcher.
I’m drinking your vodka. Watch out! The rum is next.
Paul: A liner to Igawa’s head might put him in a coma or worse.
That’s why the coaches have to wear helmets now…somebody died when he took a liner to the head.
Shelley isn’t a savior either …gosh he hasn’t done anything lately as well as giambi and money cano…
the announcer just said giambi had a nice career hahaha
C’mon Yankees, break the streak of another city same results. For the love of God it is the middle of May, hope you realize baseball season has started.
Am I wrong, or shouldn’t the league fine the Tigers for not yelling ‘fore’ before they swing????????????
Why bring a batting practice pitcher up for this game. Why not try Mcutchen? Cant do any worse.
mel,
Is Igawa related to you. You sure defend him alot.
Wow most of the guys here are he men! Looks like it’s the females on this forum who would have to rescue them cowering behind a rock!
Now now, boys, make yourself a cup of warm milk. If the Yankees starting pitcher is does a bad job for the whole game then we’ll have a little talk about it. In the meantime think of fun things, like frogs and snails and puppydog tails and at least allow the possibility that Igawa was nervous.
Kay?
Nice Giambi!
1-1 game
make that 5 in 26 ab
The Giambino!! Tie game! For now
oops
Giambi is turning it around…just like two years ago!
Let’s Go Yanks!
Hey he men! Didn’t most of you want Giambi buried in a hole somewhere? See? You are very precipitous.
tie game.
Giambi can only hit against Rogers and what’s his name from Boston.
There you go Jason.
I still have no faith in this game if Igawa is in there. Sorry, Folks. I played the game my entire life and I know bad pitching when I see it.
In short, do I believe we will win this game? Nope.
Giambi says its gambling time!!
Dr. Cox. I’m sure you were also a big supporter of Kyle Farnsworth weren’t you…
Stop teasing me Giambi. No. Please do.
AAAA here comes the K-Man !
I’ll be impressed with Giambi when he jacks one out off of a lefty he hasn’t had success against.
im scortched giambi but only bc he doesnt try to hit grounders the other way with RISP. and iv scotched cash for not having a glove 1B on the rosteer along with him. im fine with him swinging away the rest of the time.
oh Wilson
Wilson..whachu doing
ugh come on betemit
BALK!!
Betemint got jocked on that one…
Who knows what Rogers pitch count could be at without the DP in the first and then the pickoff. If Wilson got on base more maybe he would be able to read the pitchers.
Betemit, LOL.
shef vs igawa might be fun. good thing the 3b coach will be wearing that helmet!
what a Mah-Rahn !
Oh My God, I forgot that Sheff was playing LF. And we thought we had issues with Matsui out there.
Alright all I can do is hope here that Igawa manages to settle down and come back with his best stuff.
GO KEI!
Well done Betemit. He’s lucky he even gets on base and then he gets picked off.
Over under on Igawa giving up 5 runs in 4 innings
i missed it. how the h*!! does betemit get picked off…
Igawa isn’t even a AAAA pitcher. He had a 3-3 record and 3.86 ERA in AAA. He doesn’t deserve a start in the majors.
mel
May 9th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
“Guys, relax. This is a very aggressive team that swept us last week.
Igawa’s no savior, but he’s certainly not the goat here.”
NEWS fLASH!!!!!!
If it looks like a goat, smells like a goat, pitches like a goat and acts like a goat…..very good chance it is a goat!
Come on Igawa! 2 more little outs
Trisha:
Ive watched Farnsworth for years on the Cubs, Detroit, Atlanta and I have never fully been impressed by him. Im still not, to tell you the truth. But as long as he is a staple in my bullpen I will always root for him. And I have never bad mouthed Farnsworth on this board.
As for this piece of garbage we have pitching…sorry, no argument you can make can make me throw my support behind him. None.
” Laura
May 9th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
I’ll be impressed with Giambi when he jacks one out off of a lefty he hasn’t had success against. ”
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TRISH…now THERE’s a Whiner for ya….Laura, you win the award for the most negative person tonight….SHEESH !
Dr. Cox. You’re wrong. Igawa has very good stuff. At times his pitching is filthy. Igawa’s problem has always been more mental than mechanical.
Over under 3. How many soft hit balls will he get?
The only question is in which inning Igawa will be DFA’ed.
However, I will say, Trisha, that as of late Farnsworth has been locating his pitches and if performing very well. To my suprise. So for that I give him credit.
can anyone tell me what gameday has igawa at?
I can’t see the game, I’m just following GameDay. Is Igawa wearing his shades tonight?
Nice inning for Kei Igawa.
3 outs!
We survived people. Back to works bats
Next time the Yankees need a 5th starter after this road trip is Sat May 24th at home vs. Seattle. I think Kennedy will be back for that one.
As I write this Kei just went 1-2-3. Good job Kei, shut us all up please.
much better inning
Dr. Cox
I don’t ask anyone to be a supporter and understand how most people don’t want Igawa anywhere around. All I hope is that people known how to be fair and call things the way they need to be called. It isn’t fair to dig your heels in and refuse to listen “just because.”
Igawa has very good pitches. He needs to learn how to harnass them and not let his head overtake his ability.
Nice inning by Igawa.
Sweet merciful Jesus, 1-2-3!
24 pitches.
Trisha,
How can I be wrong If it is my own opinion? You think his stuff is nasty. Fine. I respectfully disagree.
that’s more like it Kei
impressed. is this the first ever 1-2-3 inning for igawa? does elias bureau have that info yet? lol
SoS,
If you’ve noticed, I defend a lot of the players.
But I am of Japanese descent, so yes, I have a particular affinity for Igawa-san.
Mid-upper 80s on the ‘fast’balls from what I can see. With his stuff, even Melky might need to duck the bullets out there.
Is it wrong that I am rooting for Igawa to get rocked so they can bring McCutchen…I kind of have a man crush on the guy
Igawa has very good stuff ???? Yes, pitches up in the zone, right down the middle of the plate…Great Batting Practice Stuff !
Igawa is at 24 pitches
16 strikes 8 balls
I wonder if that line drive knocked some sense into Igawa. It did hit him rather close to where his brain is located.
iggy is mowing them down.
7IP and 3ER later will you all change your tune?
Ansky-no. Maybe he should. They are hitting the ball hard.
The Yankees will need 10 or more runs to win this game.
i say we cut our losses and go to the pen
If Kei can keep his focus and continue to pitch the way he just did, he will have something very positive to contribute to the rotation.
He has the ability. He hasn’t always shown that he has that ability. Therein lies the rub.
so now igawa’s era is lower than hughes or kennedy’s
wow! a detroit hitter actually swung and missed a pitch.
things are looking up.
i like igawa in the rotation because it kind of puts a damper on the cashman is a genius crowd.
Jose,
Fastball @ 88-89 mph.
mel,
If it doesnt work out with Igawa-son. We’ll always have Godzilla representing.
nice Melky
radar gun showed 91 mph
the baseball gods are not on your side if Sheffield makes a great play to get you out, lol
Melky delivers!
how far did the flyouts against igawa go last inning?
lol Steve
the one to center went about 400 ft
“Igawa has very good stuff ???? Yes, pitches up in the zone, right down the middle of the plate…Great Batting Practice Stuff !”
Don Vito, forgive me if I didn’t specify that I wasn’t talking about the way he pitched the first inning tonight. I actually thought the the greater minds amongst us would figure out that I was talking about Igawa’s ability in general and not what he did in the first inning!
I apologize to you and will be sure to be much clearer in my posts!
Mel
I’d like to like Igawa as a player but it’s kinda tough to.
I do like Matsui though. Not because my father in law might hate me for not liking him (just kidding – he wouldn’t) but I think Matsui’s got more in the tank than people give him credit for.
well that’s just wonderful lol
why didnt cash trade Igawa last year when he had the change…I read SD was willing to take on his whole contract… How do you not make that trade
nice hit
Given a choice, Igawa’s teeth still look better than those yellow stumps of Gammons.
probably, sd offerred crap.
you dont pay the posting fee to give igawa away.
igawa needs work, but i wouldnt give him away just yet. this is his 2nd year in america.
Wow… Rogers looks almost as bad as Igawa… Could be a long night.
rediculous how long the pitcher thinks he has to wait till he trows the dang thing…ought to be a limit or it counts as a ball. imo
here’s where kenny pays
This ump is very inconsistent and is forcing the hitters to swing outside of the zone
Here we go Bobbo, cmon.
Rogers shoes look like canoes
I know SD didnt offer anything but does it matter. They would clear 20 million
I dont know who looks worse Igawa or Rodgers. I predict a 10-8 Yankees victory.
That’s right, run his pitch count up.
Bobby never hits soft throwing lefties
Dang.
It would be cool it matsui could hit the ball past the pitchers mound tonight
This lineup is putrid. Get runners on base and do nothing with it.
Matsui chokes again…
FYI: Sunday’s game is on TBS.
matsui THIS YEAR…
with RISP…..310
with RISP and 2 out…..360
what more do u want from the guy
big rbi guys often gidp get used to it.
I thought Matsui had been hitting well!
What’s the problem, he’s only hitting 345 and you want him to hit 346?
iGGY MISSED HAVING A HR BY 3 FEET ON THAT ONE
Aw Paul, maybe next time! Don’t give up hope…
If we get out of this with Kei giving up 3 or fewer, I’ll consider it a very fortunate outcome. I’d take it, stranger things could happen, but I wouldn’t expect it out of him on any given day. I’d be shocked if he finished with a season ERA below 5 (just in the majors) and mildly surprised if that number was below 6. If he throws a few 3-run games and a few 9-run games along with his 5-6-7 run games, and that’s what you get.
Pessimistic I know. He also got away with a low-hit / low-scoring game last year when his control was absolutley terrible.
‘Effectively ineffective’ some might have called it.
that should not be an error!!!
shelley should have had that one
Tough error. If it ‘s a play that, if made, would be a great play, it should go as a hit
ANSKY – I wouldn’t call it pessimistic but rather realistic given what we have seen of late.
I’m always hoping that someone will help with getting him straightened out.
Igawa should probably avoid 3-1 counts…
a rod would have made that play
matsui has no arm.
That’s where the Yankees get hurt, too. Not having their regular 3B in there cost them that run.
defense is not helping Igawa.. Jeter is not a very good fielder anymore……..
Get real a Rod is not there
This game is getting ugly…
good gawd
Oh, this is ridiculous!
blackdragon I was going to say the same thing but didn’t because I didn’t want it to sound like excuses. Shelly doesn’t drop the ball and Betemit makes that play, Igawa is sitting with two outs. Even that bunt may have been handled by Arod.
Oh, this is ridiculous!
betemit sucks… nice play getting piked off at 1st then his fielding is jeterian…..
So now add the Tigers to the list of teams that OWN the Yankees.
Does Moeller even need to wear a mitt tonight?
A-Rod makes both of those plays…..I really hope that the K-Man is up here for only 1 game….1 game per year that we simply hand to the other team is enuff for the Yankees that I know and love….
the yanks as a team are hitting below 250 with RISP..
BOTTOM LINE
Is anybody honestly surprised so far?
I hate Igawa. Every time he throws a pitch, I die a little bit inside. Let’s just hope the offense can score 8 trillion runs tonight, the Big G is lookin good. Kenny Rogers shall submit to his will and like it!
good grief, whining in here already? lol
Let’s all hope that Alex’s MRI is good on Monday so he can start in rehab games Tuesday and be back next week.
Oh great. Igawa again on Wednesday?!?!?!?!? Yay, in a smaller park, your going to start Igawa. If he gives up all those fly balls, he’ll be giving up about 10 homers at the Trop. Why cant we start anyone else, anyone! Start Ohlendorf, he can go 6. Maybe call up Marquez or Steven White. Igawa is pitching terrible. Yes hes only given up 2 runs so far, but believe me. I saw him pitch in his debut last yr in the A-Rod walk off grand slam game. Igawa is pitching exactly the same from what I can see, without giving up the home runs, shockingly.
Now it is up to Kei to pick up the defense and limit the damage here.
trisha u know what, gonzalez makes those plays too, its very frustrating, i really am not a fan of betemit lol and yes i have a wierd feeling that giambi would have made that scoop at first
why is betemit even on this team he is terrible
Thats a serious hairdo there.
Only a matter of time to IPK is back.
i guess we can blame it on the conjuctivitis
Isn’t there anyone who can play 3rd> Betemit does not have the glove nor the reation time necessary to play that base.
Can’t the AG play there? Oh that is right he was playing too well so Genius sent him back down. Good call.
Jax, you may have noticed that it’s the defense that has caused the problem. Then again you may not. I guarantee you, however, that Girardi has.
I really hope that he doesn’t make it out of this inning. Bigger picture is that the Yankees send him back down, DFA him or simply make him a ball boy….Yankees win this game 10-9 !!!
Giambi, still outhitting Ryan Howard and Alfonso Soriano. Seriously, he’s heating up.
huge batter right here
91? Gameday had it at 84.4…which is correct?
Igawa sucks its that simple
Two absolute shots at Betemit and a nice bunt- can’t blame him on those. Don’t like him, but with the types of rockets Igawa is giving up, there’s no one to blame but Kei. Although Matsui’s two ABs with 2 on are frustrating.
i hate you kei igawa
Igawa’s buck teeth, funny I was just thinking the same thing about you!
Sheff…charge the mound ! go,,,ya TIGER !!!
That’s all they do here is whine here. waiting for a Michael Kay complaint
Igawa can be into a solid #3 starter…
for Wilkes-Barre
Don Vito I agree…Igawa is a clown and its a joke they even called him up
Lotta armchair experts here.
how the HALE did Sheff miss that last pitch ???
Rockets…Absolute rockets…
How much did they pay this guy?
another great pitcher signed by Cashman
You know I think I would put Ensberg in at third right now.
I may not believe that, ultimately, Igawa has what it takes to be successful in the ML, but I cannot actively root against someone who’s out there trying to do a job. I want him to be successful, I want him to win
However it sure does not look good. And this inning may have started out with a few unfortunate plays in the field, but they are attacking Igawa.
another betemit miss
Wilson is going to throw away this game all on his own
Why don’t we just leave 3B open, it wouldn’t make any difference.
They cannot give this guy another start against another good offensive team in a hitter’s park.
The snark in here is sad. His looks have nothing to do with his pitching.
time for the HOOK !,,,ba-bye K-Man….hope we never see you again….really….BA…BYE !
Betemit’s range isn’t as good as A-Rod’s, but it doesn’t look terrible to me. Igawa’s giving up rockets.
You know this is not all Igawa’s fault. Maybe if Betemit could make a play he could get out of the inning.
I don’t care for Betemit either. He’s a hack in the field and doesn’t contribute enough with the bat. I’d much rather see Attorney General at 3rd or even Ensberg vs the lefty.
Meanwhile I am dreading the 2nd Igawa start already, I was sick of him by the 2nd pitch of the 1st inning. I am normally an optimistic fan but just think there is no hope for this guy. He sucks, always has and always will. Tonight my optimismm extends only to hoping the offense can pull this 1 out.
Betemit can’t replace A-rod, definitely not.
Why do the Yankees play 8 players? I thought that there was suppose to be a 3rd baseman? I know A-Rod is hurt but that doesn’t mean you leave a hole on that side of the field, Jeter can’t do it all.
I love how everyone is blaming the third baseman…News Flash Igawa SUCKS!!!!!
Notice how all of the Tiger hitters are trying to go to 3B. I wonder why. Also, why the hell is Derek talkin’ to that dirtbag Sheffield?
I’d rather see Billy Crystal at 3rd base………….and on the mound!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The more rational minds here clearly understand that the defense is really hurting Igawa.
Igawa will definitely get another start if he continues to pitch the way he is pitching. Count on it.
A-rod may make one of those plays. Short of having 14 guys defensively, you cannot defend against batting practice.
4-1…We have Igawa, no offense… Someone predicted 10-9 Yankees… I hope you are right because right now it is on the way to being 10-1 Tigers.
not that igawa’s inspiring but that last run wasnt on him, that was a routine grounder that betamit floundered on.
Gonzalez would have been better – Cash birng back Gonzalez he is better!!
dammit….that means we have to endure another inning of this stiff ??? DANG ! ;-(
will the yanks go down quietly like they are asleep?
wake up and score some runs!!!!
That was just painful
Back to work bats..and please do something
Joe said on Mike and the Mad Dog that Wilson would play because he swinging the bat well (not sure exactly when he was swinging the bat well), but maybe starting Ensberg would have made a little more sense given the fact that the Tigers put out a lineup of nine righties?
Cashman must be held accountable for Igawa…Cashman is not a good judge of pitching….we spent $46 million just for the right to sign this guy….I can’t believe…he should be fired just for that…what a joke….
Igawa is the worst pitcher in the majors.
I’d rather watch Kennedy struggle. Give me Marquez, White, Coke, Horne.
The Tigers hitters are not trying to hit the ball to third base, they have right handed hitters who pull the ball against mediocre pitching.
NEWS UPDATE
My granddaughter just spilled some ice cream on the coffee table and my wife has outlawed snacks in the living room. Is that legal?
Get rid of Igawa, get rid of Betemit.
tyvm.
Some of those shots down the line are going to require a spectacular play to reach and get the out. In fact, I doubt A-Rod gets to any of the ones hit to Betemit’s right. His range to the left is piss poor, so we lose something there.
The bottom line is that Igawa can’t fool anyone.
And Gonzalez isn’t a major league quality hitter. His initial success is supported by nothing in his minor league career.
And I really want to start seeing less of Shelley Duncan.
IPK should just pack his bags for the next start now. Maybe they need to take a loot at whats behind Betamint’s eye, and see if anything is there.
Kei Igawa, please go pitch for SWB. He’s lucky its been only 4 runs, there were absolute rockets that the Tigers hit off him.
The Defense is hurting Igawa and Igawa being Igawa is painful and is making this a not so fun game to watch.
Sucky play all around.
Hopefully this team can turn things around
Trish…I am sorry…you need to stop drinking….Every ball that they hit is a rocket. He lives UP in the zone and down the middle of the plate…he stinks…if he pitches again,,,we have to score another 10 runs THAT game too, to win. He is a bum. I don’t care if he is one of your family members ( which is the only thing I can think of that would make you support this slug ) he needs to go…ba bye….now….and forever….Let him go pitch for the Padres……NEXT !
I figure Igawa has another inning in him and then 4 more on Wed til we never have to see his ugly mug again.
1 up 1 down
Dead on Ron- agreed on all counts. That said, Betemit is fairly worthless.
Duncan looks like that Fratelli brother that was chained in the basement.. what was his name? oh yeah, Sloth!!
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Ok, I hope Joe and Brian have seen enough. Come on Brian, who cares about the loss of money release this guy or deal him to the Nationals so we can get back Clippard. No wait, hes not even worth a player. I dont think I’d even trade a large coke for him.
trisha I get that you are trying to be a positive yankee fan and thats great…but you need to stop holding on to this fake idea that Igawa will be good or that the D behind him is the reason he isnt good… I feel its very simple Igawa sucks period. Get rid of him and cut your loses.
Paul ….LOL….you are too funny….it IS illegal what has happenned at your home….call a cop !
Girls, girls, your hatred for Igawa is obviously clouding your ability to speak truthfully or watch objectively. You’re never afraid to trash the Yankees defense any other time, why start now?
(And I wasn’t speaking to any of the females here, so maybe you understand my greeting?)
I suppose Theo Epstein should be fired for signing Julio Lugo and Matt Clement, too.
Cashman’s judgment hasn’t been spectacular, that’s undeniable. But are there that many other options that were available that would be a significant improvement and even close to worth the money?
igawa may not be pitching great but where the he’ll are the Yank’s gloves tonite?
( which is the only thing I can think of that would make you support this slug )
How about the fact that some of us might just think thats its counterproductive in actively rooting for a Yankee player to suck?
Wilson has been swinging the bat extremely well
Soft tossing lefty who lacks control
Sign him fast!
It’s an easy 2nd guess to say they should have started Ensberg over Betemit, but Betemit was heating up and Ensberg hasn’t hit much, so it’s hard to second guess.
Tell you what Igawa’s BT, if those were clean hits and not at all fieldable, I would certainly be more sympathetic to your cause. Watching things that should have been fielded just fly by third makes it impossible for me to get down on Igawa.
2 up 2 down
3 up 3 down
igawa’s era is still lower than hughes or kennedy’s
betemit looks like a fat faced version of Denzel Washington.
Betemit’s the second role player in a row that I had high hopes for only to be badly disapointed. The first was Craig Wilson, who looked like a steal for Chacon. Betemit’s had good power from the left side and was supposed to have plate patience, but he just looks bad at the plate and his glove isn’t good enough to make up for it. Miguel Cairo’s problem was that he couldn’t hit or field, and never could. Gonzalez is a fine defender right now. And I don’t see his bat developing much, so getting him AAA ABs when he’s needed here seems rather pointless.
Can Kennedy get to Detroit by the 5th inning????????????
Rich-cut the crap
Trisha ok I get what your saying but what about lastyear? All those hr’s should have been caught huh
Doreen: I agree that I could never root against Igawa, or any Yankee out there trying to help the team win. But on the other hand, it is hard to say or even think things like “hold em here Iggy” when I know there is a 99% chance that he won’t! Hold em there, that is. I want him to be successful but am always assuming that he’s just about to fail, because he usually does. If it were anyone else I’d actively hope for them to get better but with him I feel like there’s no point anymore!
Betemit is having a crappy a$$ day.
I feel like I’m in study hall.
Bye “Rich”. You loser.
Agonizing…
CONSPIRACY:
i think the yankees themselves are trying to get Igawa released.
they changed the error to a hit
That Pavano deal is looking better and better – only 40 mil. and he’s always on DL so he couldn’t hurt the team.
maybe we can make the padres take Igawa with Henn
You can talk about Betemit’s lack of defense all you want but this guy is throwing nothing but BP.
Like I said only a matter of time until IPK is back.
What a waste of a game.
How is this different from IPK pitching?
please tell me someone is in the pen
Heck, David Wells would have to be better than this…
I say bring him on!
Can someone please remind me why Betemit is on the team anyway?
you own an apology, Rich
Tell you what, the best prescription for a team in need of wins or to avoid sucking, play the Yankees. They will help your team look like all stars.
6-0 Tigers…. Nice call Girardi…
Cashman, if you have an extra 46 mil lying around, I can suck just as bad as Igawa.
Please tell me that these rockets are the fault of the defense as well. This guy cannot pitch in the majors- period. I don’t care that Cashman took a chance- the key now is acknowledging your mistakes and not folding anymore games by starting this guy.
I realize that if we were in Yankee stadium this would not be true, but I’m astounded Igawa hasn’t surrendered a homer yet. Or a walk. He’s apparently figured out he needs to throw the ball over the plate. Up next: how not to throw it in a hitter’s happy zone.
Hell, he’s got two years left, maybe he’ll figure it out by year four.
Man we need a long reliever. Alby/Ohlendorf isn’t cutting it.
Soooo…. how much do you think we would have to pay David Wells?
Just got home, I was actually afraid I was going to turn on the game and see it 15-1. So, Betemit’s making a good case for more playing time?
Also, I probably should have gone on the record with this ealier, but if Igawa is the winning pitcher of record, I pledge to buy a case of his charity teryaki sauce. Yum, go Yanks!
Okay, guys, I just got back. This is indeed an ugly outing, but I’ll still cheer for the uni.
Now, if our guys could plate some runs we might actually have a chance to win.
BBB -
Oh, I agree that Igawa does not inspire confidence at all. Like I said, he hasn’t had the best D behind him but he’s not locating again. The Tigers are getting around on him. He can’t pitch down low. He just cannot do it.
Yay, they took Jete’s error away.
hi, trisha! how are things?
Now I will agree that Igawa is not getting the job done.
The last inning was not his fault. I can’t defend this inning.
S.A. – Thanks. Rich will disappear soon, just like he disappeared last time.
The worst part is that Igawa doesn’t seem upset about this at all. Hey, he’s getting paid. What does he care?
UGH!
according to babelfish, Kei Igawa loosely translates to Ian Kennedy.
Enough!!! Please get him out of there
coaching visit to the mound? extract him before this becomes a football score? Hello? coaches? anyone home?
I-rod to play 1st makes LHP Igawa face more right hitters; Wilson playing 3rd makes the game hopeless.
I’m actually starting to feel sorry for Igawa at this point…
10-1 Tigers. So much for climbing above .500
I think Girardi should leave Igawa in until the bottom of the 5th.
I feel like this game is like sacrificial game. Man, now the bullpen is going to be overtaxed. I seriously, seriously doubt Igawa gets another shot.
Igawa’s sucking with Lieber-like efficiency. 62 pitches to surrender 10 hits and get 9 outs.
igawa’s last appeearance in a yankees uni….
see ya dude…
When he came up a a Yankee, didn’t Marcus Thames hit the first pitch he saw in the big leagues over the 399 sign at Yankee Stadium … off Randy Johnson?
Iggy’s gotta be throwing beach balls compared to that.
That would avg out to 33 hist for 9 innings…yep that’ll work…
There are still no outs.
I have to say, at Kennedy’s worst, it was not this bad. But he’s not going to be eligible come back for next week’s start. 40 man roster be damned- you have to start someone else on Wednesday.
Paul – Rich is a slob.
I wouldn’t accept an apology. I like it a lot more when Pete boots him from this forum.
Come back IPK, all is forgiven . . .
Wow, 11 hits in 3 innings? Geez!
Time for ohlendorf
question – why not just plug him into the freaking rotation? He pitches 5 or 6 innings a game anyway (when Hughes and IPK were sucking).
Hope they wrote Igawa in for Wednesday with a pencil
yep, 9 outs…he lasted 9 outs
“I may not believe that, ultimately, Igawa has what it takes to be successful in the ML, but I cannot actively root against someone who’s out there trying to do a job.”
Doreen, I normally would agree it’s good to be supportive, except when it applies to Igawa.
Look at CMW, he had 2 consecutive 19W seasons, but didn’t do well in the playoff last year. So what did he do? He spent the off-season refining his pitches in Taiwan and came in to Arizona and Tampa early to learn new pitches before spring training. Then look at Igawa, he was horrible, didn’t come to ST early, didn’t learn any new pitches or refine his old sucky ones. In fact, he was the only guy who showed up to ST out-of-shape. I can’t stand Kei Igawa!
I say leave him in until he hits 100 pitches. This one’s over, with Yankee Killer Kenny Rogers on the mound.
God, I just threw out in my mouth.
AlbaladeNO!!!!!!
About Igawa, my wife, who doesn’t know baseball that well, just said: “Get rid of him. He doesn’t look like a baseball player, just some random guy they got off the street.”
Hopefully we’ll never see him again.
useless
please – remove his arse…. please.
this game has already become a f’in joke.
Igawa > YOU
As much as I would lke to believe this is it for Igawa, don’t underestimate the Genius of Joe Girardi. He has proven that in the absence of talent, he does not have the experience to get his team to produce.
And how the hell are we going to trade this guy? Who would take him?
The great irony is if Igawa were pitching against the Yankees, he’d have a one hit shut-out with 7 Ks and we’d be hearing how hard it is to go against somebody for the first time.
Honestly, they should just leave him in there for the whole game. Make him pitch all nine innings so we don’t have to burn our arms in the bullpen.
Ridiculous.
CYF, dont.
$ 46,000,000.
i live in florida now, so i have to get the MLB Extra Innings package to atch my Yankees..
and tonight, they’re broadcasting from Detroit..
after that last hit – before Igawa was removed, the announcers said:
‘Wow.. the Tigers have their hitting shoes on tonight’!
which is not exactly true .. it’s just that Igawa makes it look SO easy to hit Major league pitching
Really sucks that they sent down Britton- at least it would be a competent arm to pitch 3 meaningless innings. Instead, we’ll kill bullpen arms that we actually need in a game that is nearly out of hand.
Wouldn’t it be much more wise to have Gonzo on the roster and playing 3b? Wilson seems very useless. He can’t hit and apparently he can’t field.
How does Cashman have a job, seriously?
Kennedy is a kid at least he has an upside. Igawa is pretty much is what he is at age 29/30.
Say what you want about Kennedy he never gave up 11 hits in 3 innings.
great D from Brooks Betemit, how bad is he tonight..
this team is 1/2 asleep.. who is a better fielder Lugo or jeter…..
this team sucks, that is why you cannot lose games you have won…….
“Sorry for Igawa”. The guy has 20 million dollars of Steinbrenner money to chill with. I know nobody was expecting much, but come on. Another game, Another deep hole, another laborious outing for the bullpen.
how do you spell suck?
I-G-A-W-A
hint to NY Front Office… Igawa=lost cause. Just DFA his arse.
Nice job Cashman. The Padres were willing to pick up the 4 years and 20 million left on the contract, and you don’t do it so you don’t look stupid paying the posting fee for nothing.
But you look reeeeeeal good after 3+ and 6 runs so far. Reeeeeeal good.
CYF, I feel bad for Igawa too for some reason. I guess he just looks pathetic. Don’t know what it is.
I think the offense is just as pathetic as Igawa is. Because the pitching/hitting has sucked so bad this year, two good pitchers in Alby and Olly will probably blow out their arms. Ridiculous.
TRISHA!!! you still believe in Igawa????
I’ll pitch!
By the time I arrive in Detroit, the Tiggers will still be batting!
It’s an Ugly Game. Igawa being Igawa → thats right!
Tiger announcers are saying the Tigers are playing with a sense of urgency…more like a case of Igawacy…..2008 Yankees the story of a team with the best 1-2 bullpen in baseball who did not have good enough starting pitching and had a bench full of 1B who can occasionally hi and a GM who was afraid to get the one pitcher he finally should have gotten…Santana….how do you waste the best closer and Jeter and Posada with rookies in the rotation????? Fire Cashman!! P.S. I just don’t want to make the playoffs, I would like to win the WS!!
Look at the bright side, KI gave up 0 runs in the 2nd inning.
DET’s offense was struggling until we came to town. It used to be that teams hated when the Yankees came to town. Now they welcome it. At this rate, we won’t even be able to win our Inteleague games against the Minor….um National League.
Even if those balls hit to 3rd base were all outs they still crushed the ball
Well, Genius Girardi better get his lazy team to score 6 runs in the next 5 innings AND keep Detroit from scoring again…
I hope IPK is watching this game with fire in his eyes and determined to pitch a shut-out on sunday. I heard Cashman went to IPK’s tuesday game, hope he’ll be there again this sunday.
Jon Heyman said he spoke to one Yankee player this Spring and asked him about Igawa. He said the player responded, “He flat out sucks.”
“don’t underestimate the Genius of Joe Girardi. He has proven that in the absence of talent, he does not have the experience to get his team to produce.”
…and he’s proven that in 5 weeks or when he won manager of the year?
3+ IP, 11 H, 6 ER (at least)…what a guy!! Uuugh. And the worst part is now we have to burn out actual Major League pitchers all b/c this bum cannot get anyone out. Although I do still hold out some hope that the Yanks can score 10+ runs and win this one, but in order for that to happen, Shelley and/or Betemit would have to run into a couple.
Can we bring back Ed Whitson? I am dating myself here!
Martin, that’s blatantly untrue. The Padres asked the Yankees to pay almost all of the salary, which is where you reach the point where you might as well just hope for the best because even if he bombs you are getting robbed.
Kevin Towers is not an idiot.
I just looked what the Japanese name Igawa translates to in English: “He who throws batting practice”.
Terrible performance for Igawa. It looks like a batting practice. What’s a disaster. Oh, at least he didn’t walk anyone!
I’m going out now. That means good fortune for these guys. When I come back I expect to see that we fought back and won!
hello david wells
The only ones who were fooled were the scouts that originally signed him…
Seriously, what could they have seen in Igawa that made them think he was Major League Caliber?
now there was something you don’t see every day…
whos paul? and pimples arent as nasty a word as “fag*ot” trisha. remember when you said that? i do.
We actually caught a break tonight.
i hope every pitcher in scranton and trenton is watching it, there’s major league starts available for someone!
Yazman
May 9th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Look at the bright side, KI gave up 0 runs in the 2nd inning.
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heh – that’s like saying a the bright side if standing near a nuclear explosion is getting a quick sun tan… right before you incinerate.
holy crap – an out. Hey Igawa – take a freaking look – that’s what an out looks like you putz.
I am officially renaming Kei Igawa to HIT Igawa, since there are NO K’s in his game.
Ok this looks like a loss, but the good news is it’s only worth ONE GAME. Rasner and Pettitte will give the Yankees a better chance to win. Oh and after Sunday, the Yankees will finish the season series with two of the best teams in the AL, Cleveland and Detroit.
As for tonight, I’m glad I have two TV’s in my living room. The wife and I are going to to watch Epic Movie on one tv, on the other I’m about to switch to the DTV Mix channel.
Is that bus leaving for scranton with Iggie on it yet?
Amazing. First it’s the Hughes / Kennedy apologists and now they are coming out of the woodwork for Igawa. You couldn’t sell it to me then and I’m not buying it now.
Bottom line: He isn’t ready to pitch at this level. Blame Betemit all you want, Igawa hangs them up there like its BP.
One of Cashman’s biggest blunders.
After Igawa, Wells will look like Cy Young…
Another game Girardi threw away. He left Igawa in at least an inning too long. He did the same thing with Hughes and Kennedy earlier this year at least two other times. Think its a good idea to toss away games with the way Boston is playing?
This team is unwatchable, right now. From the HORRID pitching, to the inept “vaunted” linup that has Moeller, Betemit, Duncan and Giambi in it…Time to turn something else on for the evening so as not to ruin the rest of the night with the kids…SHEESH, even the 7 year old knows this is HORRIBLE baseball and he doesn’t even want to watch it…You KNOW you’re bad when the SEVEN YAER OLD wants to turn you off
“Is that bus leaving for scranton with Iggie on it yet?”
On it? Under it?
The inning from hell is over
My Kenny Rogers voodoo doll is out. Time for some runs
Sadly true, Sunny.
“Jon Heyman said he spoke to one Yankee player this Spring and asked him about Igawa. He said the player responded, “He flat out sucks.—
Sad thing is – that player who said that was Carl Pavano.
You know yer bad when Pavano says you suck!
Ted
May 9th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Is that bus leaving for scranton with Iggie on it yet?
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Igawa doesn’t deserve a bus… he deserves a Yugo.
Perfect result….unless Hank is no longer “in charge”,,,then Igawa is a memory. Alby did a great job…now we TORCH KENNY and win the game….10-9 Yankees !!!
Can Igawa be traded to an AL East opponent?
Mel – the guys do stand a chance of fighting back, now that he’s hit the showers.
I’d rather see chase wright instead of iggy the next time through. and I dont wanna see wright either. maybe they can put iggy on the DL and bring up IPK?
Igawa’s BT, all I can say with a pretty heavy heart is that I can understand why you all would not want to see him make another start for the Yanks. I will always hope, as I do about any Yankee who is struggling, that he finds a way to get his stuff together. I don’t know if that will ever happen.
Why the Yankees would simply throw a game away (which is exactly what they just did) is just entirely foolhardy. Come on, everyone and their Grandma knew what was going to happen with this joke (Igawa). He’s not a major leaguer. If they even consider pitching him again next week, against a pretty good Rays lineup, they are throwing away another game. When you throw away games in May, it makes it that much more difficult to win in August and September to try and desperately make the Playoffs. They got away with it last year but I just don’t see that same scenario playing out this season.
It’s time to make a trade for SOMEONE that you can rely upon to at least keep you in games through 5-6 innings. Someone that won’t consistently get beaten around.
Are you all complaining about the same Betemit that Cashman said was the alternative to re-signing A-Rod this off season?
Whats the deal with McCutchen or White?
Im a Cashman fan. He has lots of arms in the minors. Maybe this allows him to finally be done with Igawa and NEVER start him again.
If Cashman has the stupidity and audacity to start Kei Igawa ever again at the major league level, he deserves to not only be fired, but spanked with wooden paddles by fans on the way out of Yankee Stadium.
If he can’t come up with a better option for Wed. than this stiff, he’s not trying.
Don’t give me 40 man roster. Don’t give me any of the excuses.
This is his signing and this guy needs to be released now. He will never be a major league pitcher for the NY Yankees. Not a starter, not a LH specialist. Nothing. He’s nothing.
Trisha,
You’re such an Igawa-Apologist. The guy is terrible and has never shown even a hint of being a good pitcher in the majors.
Get off his crotch.
FrankDiscussion May 9th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Amazing. First it’s the Hughes / Kennedy apologists and now they are coming out of the woodwork for Igawa. You couldn’t sell it to me then and I’m not buying it now.
Please, Meat. Find me one Igawa apologist here. Get a life.
Ron,
You’re wrong. When you claim a player off waivers, you may be responsible for the contract in its entirety. The only way the Yankees would have to pay is if the Yankees wanted prospects back.
Remember when Manny was put on waivers before 2004? Anyone could have had him if they were willing to absorb the contract.
Front office baseball 101, sir.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=2969449
“I am officially renaming Kei Igawa to HIT Igawa, since there are NO K’s in his game.”
Call him Ei Igawa…the baseball version of “They call him Irk cause he has no D.” lol.
He has proven it both places. Managing a team to a losing reacord with no expectations to begin the season does not make you a Genius or talented. As with Colorado last year, the Marlins got hot and he got credit. Since Colorado made the WS last year, does that mean Clint Hurdle can manage? I watch every game, he cannot. He is average.
And by the way, the Marlins have the same talent level as the Yankees, in some positions.
Difference is none of them are over paid and are hungry to play baseball and win. Yanks, I have doubts.
Open your eyes people. Trisha is a Sox troll.
Please. There is no real Yankee fan who has watched Igawa and seen anything of promise.
Is the Igawa Experiment finally over?
Cashman at his finest. Wont pay for a K machine, but will pay for a Kei. Yaaa!!!
“Are you all complaining about the same Betemit that Cashman said was the alternative to re-signing A-Rod this off season?”
Wow, the thought of that gave me chills.
If I ever see Igawa pitch again in pinstripes I may kill myself.
“Can Igawa be traded to an AL East opponent?”
Are you kidding? If he were traded to the Red Sox, he’d start pitching better than Matsuzaka, he’d 2-hit the Yankees every time he faced them, and every fan and media outlet around the country would be laugh laugh laughing at the front office for yet another huge embarrassment.
Just like with everything else.
Igawa $46 million
Wang $4 Million (After Arbitration Loss )
Great job Cashman.
Who was the person who actually scouted/recommended Igawa? What did they see?
Can Damon come in and play either 1st or 3rd base ??? or better yet….can he come in and play both positions so he can hit for both Duncan Hines and BeteSchmank ?
Just thought I’d replay a conversation from January between our local Igawa expert and me.
Old Ranger:
if he can keep it there with control (both sides of plate). He may be the BP lefty, I know I’m crazy, just wait and see for yourself. 27/08.
Me:
Does BP stand for batting practice?
Old Ranger:
Does Matthew Cohen stand for dumb A$$?
Just trying to give you an observation, if you disagree fine, say so. Have you seen him pitch lately? If not then I think we can, respectively, disregard any of your comments on the subject. Would you not agree? Opinions are very welcome, buy me or anyone. 27/08.
Well Old Ranger – care to post and defend your boy Igawa? We’ve all seen him pitch now.
Please, no more talk of David Wells. He’s over.
But there is a crafty old lefthander who can provide a lifeline to the Yanks’ struggling rotation. Someone who’s already proven all he can as an offensive player and as an outfielder. Someone who’s had a secret baseball dream: to do what Babe Ruth did in reverse. He’s hit. Now he’s ready to pitch.
That’s right, I speak of Barry Lamar Bonds.
Pepper Brooks,
Please take that crap and leave. To say this team isnt hungry and has no heart is a travesty. Did you not watch the past 3 years???
You are a sad boy.
WTF is up with the rudeness to Trisha just because she chose to be positive rather than whiny? Sheesh – so rude.
Perhaps I’m off base with this, but I had the feeling that a big motivator in the Yanks getting Igawa last year, was due to the Sox getting Dice-K. There’s always that tit for tat going with them – the Sox signed a top Japanese pitcher, so the Yanks had to do something similiar. Granted, everyone knew Dice-K was better, but word was supposedly pretty good on Igawa as well.
Where’d Ron go? I think he may be researching something first before saying something.
I like your take Confucius. You’re right. They even get losers like the PEDroia to be good for them.
tonight’s line: 3.0 IP, 11 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 0 BB, 0 K, 0 HR
well 6 cans on heniekens later actually 8 because I got started early I’m still good
Send Igamwa back to AAA, send him back to Japan, send him anywhere but here.
“You’re such an Igawa-Apologist. The guy is terrible and has never shown even a hint of being a good pitcher in the majors.
Get off his crotch.”
Brent congratulate your parents for bringing you up so well. Did they teach you that line, or did you just come up with it yourself? I can’t stand disgusting talk.
About him never showing a hint of being a good pitcher in the majors? Now you’re showing that on top of being gross, you can add inaccurate to your list.
trisha.
“Igawa’s BT, all I can say with a pretty heavy heart is that I can understand why you all would not want to see him make another start for the Yanks. I will always hope, as I do about any Yankee who is struggling, that he finds a way to get his stuff together. I don’t know if that will ever happen.”
How many chances do you want? Did you know who the yankees were last year? Or did you just become a fan this year? No offense, but geez, wake up.
They saw strikeouts, I think. Igawa was a very decent pitcher in Japan. He just didn’t translate well.
“Who was the person who actually scouted/recommended Igawa? What did they see?”
Pags
Igawa 3.0 11 6 6 0 0 0 18.00
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Dude,,,if you are a TRUE Yankee fan, and want the ASSURANCE that we won’t see this SLUG ever again….this line,,,you hafta LOVE IT !!!…………….
paul- no apology. that fool has so many terrible things the past couple of months i wish i could say it to her face.
“I’m a Cashman fan.”
rough night, huh?
just keep telling yourself:
cashman is a genius
cashman is a genius
cashman is a genius
you won’ be right
but you’ll feel better
The team that got the posting fee for Igawa must be ROTFL their assses off……….
I ask this to the Cashman fans.
Name me on pitcher hes brought in here thats been good.
Mussina? Ok.
Wright, Johnson, Brown, Pavano, Igawa, Karsay, Farnsworth, Heredia, the list is endless
i say thats it for igawa. they will send him down to make room for whoever comes up to pitch wednesday, but they will eat that contract and move him somewhere in the next few weeks.
That just sucked
“Who was the person who actually scouted/recommended Igawa? What did they see?”
As I understand it, Jean Afterman, the assistant GM, was a big advocate of bidding for him. In fact, according to the Times:
“The last three digits in the bid represent Igawa’s strikeout total last season. Jean Afterman, the Yankees’ assistant general manager, suggested the Yankees add it to their bidding number.”
With Cashman walking at the end of the year and no clear successor, guess who the next GM of the Yankees is.
“Are you all complaining about the same Betemit that Cashman said was the alternative to re-signing A-Rod this off season?”
Then the Yankees would have been playing with a defensively challenged 3rd baseman to go along with the defensively challenged 1st baseman.
Thank you Hank and Hal for taking Alex back after he opted out.
Jeter’s been slump this year, never the clutch hitter.
Not a single HR so far, and SS defense limited.
He is old.
sigh. of course, a dp.
Mitch does he get credit for Shawn Chacon or Jon Lieber
Oooohhhh that’s right. Pags
Thanks!
Why the Yanks didnt put up 75 million for Dice K I’ll never know. A strikeout pitcher in his prime???
So they go throw 50 mill on a soft tosser with bad body language. GREAT!
Wang-Dice K-Joba-Pettitte-Hughes
When will people realize that it is Cashman who assembles these feeble pitching staffs that have no hope of winning in the postseason?
“Nice job Cashman. The Padres were willing to pick up the 4 years and 20 million left on the contract, and you don’t do it so you don’t look stupid paying the posting fee for nothing.
But you look reeeeeeal good after 3+ and 6 runs so far. Reeeeeeal good.”
Exactly!
Cashman has had too many chances to build a decent staff. Fire Cashman now!
” UPDATE, 8:26 p.m.: You couldn’t see this coming, could you? They basically gave this game away by starting Igawa.
He has faced 20 batters and 11 of them have hits.
So far. ”
.
Amen to THAT, Peter. AMEN !
Typical Yankees in 2008.
Get behind and start swinging at everything. Game over yet, coach???
Its amazing to me how bad Jeter is… He is arguably the worst hitting shortstop in the majors with no power. Good thing he has “intangibles” though. Has he earned a lifetime free pass? He is Ray Ordonez sans the defense.
Mitch, you forgot about the immortal Jesse Orosco
Better play for Betemit.
sorry, meant worst FIELDING shortstop
Is the front office BLIND?
We won for a decade with dominant starting pitching.
Have we improved it at all since 2003?
No.
Santana is there and they dont find a way to get him?
Good Night, Yankee Fans…..oh, and Get Bent, Trolls !
Could you imagine what could have been if Cashman signed Lilly and got Santana. With Pettitte…3 lefties in Yankee Stadium…Dare to dream.
What? Kei Igawa another start?
I wonder what that discussion would be like…
al central has been killing us this year and they stink so far
I’m only going to say this once then I’ll start banning your IP address:
No personal attacks.
No swearing or abbreviated swearing, etc.
This forum will not get like others where assorted idiots to go insult each other. If you persist, you’re out.
Either have something intelligent to say or don’t post.
Thanks
Brandon (supporting “Alex being Alex”) (J.Santana HR allowed count: 7) May 9th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Mitch does he get credit for Shawn Chacon or Jon Lieber
If Cashmans best moves are getting two 5th starters than yea. Hes the best!!
Epstein got Beckett, Schilling, Dice K.
Byrnes added Haren.
Minaya added Pedro, Santana, Perez, Maine.
Cashman has Chacon and Lieber?
This game ended up being more painful than I thought.. good thing I’m watching the game and using the computer at once or I’d of gauged my eyes out.
Igawa is not an Ace.
“Igawa $46 million
Wang $4 Million (After Arbitration Loss )
Great job Cashman.”
Don’t even get me started on that. I would blow a gasket if that petty $600k hurts us in resigning CMW down the road.
jeter once again proves he;s the king of the dp…
3 innings with 1 out and 2 runners on = 0 runs……. how the hell is that even possible.. this game is so depressing. alcohol here i come
I know Betemit hasn’t played 3d in a while, but o mi god. Honestly, he’s awful. Get rid of him and bring up Gonzo. Puh-lease.
Igawa? The experiment is officially over. It’s a failure. He’s a $50 mil career starter for the SWB Yankees.
Good thing we got Joba for the 8th inning tonight.
Brandon
If he gets credit for Chacon and Lieber, what about trading away Vazquez and Lilly, not to mention acquiring guys like CJ Nitkowski, Mark Wohlers, Jay Witasick and my personal favorite, Gabe White, the guy who was forced to remove his chain by the umpires even though he wore that chain for his entire career before becoming a Yankee.
Mitch
May 9th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Pepper Brooks,
You are a sad boy.
You are right. The team I have watched the last 3 years is still on the field tonight. Lazy defense, never advancing on outs, can’t bunt, no situational hitting… so if that does not equal lack of desire then it is lack of talent?
Your opinion might be different if you were on the end of $20 million a year guaranteed.
Desire – want, crave. The longing or craving that brings satisfaction or enjoyment.
So you are saying I am wrong? I do not see the definition above from the Yankees.
Well, he comes the sj44 Negative Brigade. Out early on a friday!
That bid, btw, was 26,000,194. Compared to the 33,000,000 they bid for Matsuzaka. They apparently thought Igawa was only worth 7 million less of an investment.
But that thing about Afterman and the 194 is just unbelievable. Could there be any better testament to the abject stupidity running up and down this team’s front office?
For Wed, Joe G should piece together a start. Three innings by Ross, 3 by Alba and then if we are ahead, Farnsy, Joba and Mo. If we are behind, Hawkins et al can mop up the last 3 innings.
Oh man…
That would have been a great rotation-
Santana
Wang
Pettitte
Mussina
Lilly (who owns the Sox)
That should prove Cashman’s imcompetence right there.
hit100
“How many chances do you want? Did you know who the yankees were last year? Or did you just become a fan this year? No offense, but geez, wake up.”
In fact I did know who the Yankees were last year. I knew who they were in 2005 also. I didn’t sink into a deep depression or spin out of control either of those years either. I’ve been a Yankee fan a very long time now. I’ve never felt like jumping off a bridge or acted out like the Yankees were doing something to me personally if they didn’t have a good season. I rooted them on without missing a beat.
Now perhaps you didn’t read what I said in my post or maybe you didn’t thoroughly understand it because your post doesn’t reflect that you could have. My meaning is that I would like to think Igawa could find a way to get back to his good stuff. I didn’t say it needed to happen in the Bronx.
The Rays are chomping at the bit to get at Igawa next week which means a 4 game sweep is out of the question and the series hasn’t even started yet.
Trisha,
Weren’t they talking about you earlier when someone claimed you said the Fa**ot word?
Yeah.
Anyway, if we’re off the topic of blaming my parents, Igawa has been a colossal bust in the majors. Nobody in their right mind can claim otherwise. I remember the only time he pitched well was in a relief appearance against Boston when Karstens broke his leg on the first pitch.
One appearance, does not a career make.
Believe me, I’m not inaccurate. The few who commend you claim that everyone else is whining. We, as fans, have the right to get mad/sad whenever we feel. As terrible as Igawa has been as a Yankee, I think It’s fair to fans of a struggling Yankee team to be a bit miffed. This, mind you, is after Igawa caught his second wind down in AAA and was now ready to show everyone how much better he is at keeping the ball down.
I really have no idea what you could see in him. He throws 2 mph faster than Mussina and lacks 100% of the ability.
Igawa = Terrible. End of story.
Our pitching and defense smell like poo-poo. What’d Girardi say he’s stressing this year again?
I forgot about Felix Rodriguez. That guy was a keeper.
yeah, Pepper because this team quit last yr down 10 games in June.
Right???
And the year before. Right???
Get off the high horse troll.
At what point do the yanks move Captain Intangibles to 1B? Too bad his contract isnt coming the books after this season as well.
Honestly, wouldn’t Wells even be better than Igawa?
I hope once and for all this shows the front office that Igawa simply cannot get major league hitters out and that is not gonna change.
lol @ Romero:
“Igawa is not an ace”
“No swearing or abbreviated swearing, etc.”
Peter, is a** considered a swear word if you replace the Ss with other characters?
Kenny friggin Rogers!
Come on!
Mr. Ex,
Don’t go there. I constantly think back to Igawa over Lilly and passing up Santana this off season and what it would have meant to have 3 quality lefties in our rotation.
I’ll drop Johan since everyone in this blog is so enamored with the kids, it’s pointless to discuss why we needed the best LH starter in the game with the way our rotation has struggled, but Igawa was all on Cashman and anyone who says it wasn’t a knee jerk signing to Dice K is completely blind.
I think at the time they claimed Torre didn’t like Lilly from his first go round with him and Cashman conceded so he’s even dumber than I give him credit for listening to a manager who was on thin ice and the owners wanted out.
Lilly told the Yankees he wanted to come here. He was willing to take a little less and the Yanks held up their hand to him and signed Igawa instead.
Some GM we got there folks.
“The Rays are chomping at the bit to get at Igawa next week which means a 4 game sweep is out of the question….”
Why is a 4 game sweep out of the question?
Oh, you mean US sweeping THEM?
Hmmmmm.
trisha,
How could you possibly defend Igawa?
Did you also defend Charles Manson and David Berkowitz?
Sexton got 6 games for his actions charging the mound.
2 runners on who’s ready for a pop-up to 2B?????
Id MUCH rather see Wells out there.
WHAT THE HECK IS HE SWINGING 3-0!!!!!
So if we want Giambi to have a decent season, he can only hit against Timlin and Rogers?
Ahhh the “we the fans have right to boo” speech. Sure you have the right to boo, but I have the right to say its a taking the easy way out and thats a cop out.
“Name me on pitcher hes brought in here thats been good.”
Duque, Clemens I, Wang, Joba.
And Guillen isn’t even a 3B man.
hahaha no one saw that coming….
cashman has to go. Only good thing hes done is give control of the draft over to Oppenheimer.
A-Men G Love
The Igawa signing was idiotic at the time. I said so then. Too much money for so much risk. Lilly was a proven commodity for around the same money.
I think that the Igawa signing was the worst decision in Cash’s tenure by far.
betemit what are u doing, swing at a 3-0 pitch, omg!!!
So the Yankees are 0-all tonight w/ RISP? How many RISP have we even had tonight? Terrible
please get rid of betemit.
dang…is that like the third or fourth time… we left 2 runners on base.
Not much is working…defense…bats…starting pitching…base running…
who is the bigger idiot ?
1) Girardi for giving Wilson the green light there ?
2) Wilson for swinging his sorry freakin’ bat ?
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vote NOW !
RISP…and nothing.
Very disappointing.
“How could you possibly defend Igawa?
Did you also defend Charles Manson and David Berkowitz?”
Ridiculous question. Who exactly was it that Igawa murdered again?
Igawa and Betemit should consider themselves lucky that they’re in Detoit.
If this were in the Bronx, the boos would be heard all the way to Philly.
Trading Contreras for Loiaza was GOLD too.
He swings with a 3-0 count with 2 men on?
I think we can put the whole derek jeter is mr.clutch myth to rest. when was the last time he came up in a big game/spot?
his defense is awful
It’s games like this that make me want to give up on the season. Then I realized that there are many more games left and I step away from the ledge. But it’s a struggle.
Why is Betemit starting against a lefty anyways?
Oh well, this one’s too frustraing to sit through. Might as well get an earlier start on getting drunk.
I totally agree G-Love. You really have to hand it to Cashman, he has no clue when it comes to pitching. I mean 3 lefties in Yankee Stadium…that’s a no-brainer. With all the real estate in left center…
David Wells? I think David Cone would be better than Igawa…seriously he couldn’t do much worse…
And I believe that Wells and Cone are almost the same age…
Sign ‘em both, that’s what I say!
again Kay is right no fight on this lazy sack of crap team.. they do not battle….
Rogers looks avg. at best, he has wriggled out of trouble 3 times with no problems; jeter DP, matsui DP, and Brooks Betemit right there.
At what point is it no heart????Is it just 40 games!!!!
This is a 43 yr old slow throwing Kenny rogers
Just across the wires…SD claims Sean Henn off waivers from the NYY
Mitch… don’t cop troll everytime you see something said that you don’t like or think is ridiculous. Everyone always calls out trolls as those who are not with them… what are you freakin George Bush – “You are either with us or our enemy”
Second of all, if the team had more energy and drive they would be 10 games out in May and have to bust a nut to just make the playoffs only to get embarassed as they have done the last 3 years.
Third, if you find it acceptable to see your team perform in this manner then go for it. I do not. From 96 to 2000 the Yankees were more consistent, had more energy, less sloppiness, and more leadership. That all equals a desire to make yourself better.
Earing 46 million, 20 million, 12 million, and settling to fit within the bell curve means you just show up and collect your paycheck. That requires nothing else of you = desire/hunger/energy.
As a side note, your comment about Cashman and his pitching selections is spot on… but since I am a troll, what would I know.
If our pitching and defense smell like poo-poo, could it be because they’ve been near the tongue of Peter Gammons, which had Red Sox feces all over it.
Betemit is awesome. Good thing we were able to pry him away before the deadline last year.
The Kei Igawa experiment is over.
The Wilson Betemit can hit as a righty experiment is over.
How could they send Gonzalez down for Betemit?
Derek is not as clutch as usual this year. I think like all of the other guys, he is pressing at the plate, trying to make up for the A-Rod/Posada absences.
But I will say that his knack for bouncing into DPs is beginning to become alarming.
Ray of sunshine: Julio Lugo’s 11th error of the season just cost a run.
Angel,
Are we not allowed to be angry over how the Yankees have played? It’s stupid to say it’s a “cop out” just because we aren’t happy with the way things have happened so far.
Should we instead say “aw, well they really tried, and that’s all that matters.”
Grow up. This is NY Baseball.
“I remember the only time he pitched well was in a relief appearance against Boston when Karstens broke his leg on the first pitch.”
Okay. You had said he had never pitched well in the majors.
ZaWheeZ- dont forget he has “intangibles”, LOL. At least he makes up for his lack of clutch hitting with stellar defense
Trading Contreras for Loiaza was GOLD too.
Oh please.
There is not one single Yankee fan who has a clue who didn’t want Contreras as far away from the Bronx as we could get him. He was absolutely dreadful here. Blaming Cashman for getting rid of him just shows your ignorance.
For all the hating on Giambi, his 805 OPS is third on the team….
come on Alba
im sorry pete. hard to resist.
brent- she surely did. terrible.
it was a 2 and 1 count the yankee braodcasters do not pay attention they are stupid.. yeah giese, ransom, and lane on the top prospects for the yanks, these guys are morons…
Pepper Brooks, I can’t even get through your post to see if you can make any baseball sense, but is it really necessary to mention George Bush every time you get peeved and want to make a really important point?
I’ll answer that for you in case you’re not sure: no, it isn’t. Please stick to baseball.
Angel, thanks for the help.
“Ray of sunshine: Julio Lugo’s 11th error of the season just cost a run.”
They’ll get five back. Probably with a Lugo HR thrown in.
There are no rays of sunshine coming from Boston these days and there won’t be for a long time.
I would be very willing to try out Boomer again.
At this point I would almost be willing to trade Lugo straight up with you guys for Igawa!
Lugo just made another error. Sox have 21 errors this year with Lugo accounting for 11 of them.
Igawa 3.0 11 6 6 0 0 0 18.00 …… beyond pathetic and completely insane.
Thanks Pete. (for the post about banning abusive posters.)
Does anyone think Kei might have done better if he had worn his sunglasses tonight?
BoSux losing 4-2 !!!
Who’s the softball chick who throws 90? Jennie Finch?
Think she could go 5? What’s she doing these days?
grumble
grumble
Trisha,
Yeah, I think I really wanted to make it seem as though Igawa had never even thrown a strike, haha. But I understand what you and Angel are saying..I just think that it’s not even worth wasting your breath (or keystrokes?) trying to support him at this point.
And in a post completely unrelated to what Trisha said, someone earlier mentioned something about giving him more time and that he has only been in the majors for 2 years….His entire deal is for 4 years..How long are the Yankees supposed to wait for him to come around? If he isn’t expected to pitch well for the first few years of his contract, then he shouldn’t be paid for those two years.
“Thanks Pete. (for the post about banning abusive posters.)”
are you kidding me?!?! shall i retreive your past posts?! i feel like im taking crazy pills!!
The Yankees look like TEAM IGAWA tonight… and i’m sorry … Girardi has me FURIOUS tonight … how can he rest one of our HOTTEST hitters (damon) for the sake of giving him rest… when A-Rod AND Posada are not in the line-up.
SO annoyed tonight!!!!
Kei Igawa is not as good as the character that Richard Pryor played in Brewster’s Millions, and HE had to be in a battery with John Candy.
Confucius. where were you last year?
Didn’t NY end up nipping at Boston’s heels for the division? I thought so. Take the kneejerk reaction or Boston trollness outta here
well that’s a shame.
Do you thing Chris Britton will be back again tomorrow with Albaladejo hurt?
Alby is injured and in comes Hawkins ?….yikes…..can I say Yikes ???
did we really need an injury this game? should have igawaufl do 9 innings.
PinstripePlayer: because Rogers owns Damon while Matsui and Giambi own Rogers. That’s why.
Quick question Cashman lovers.
How did Ted Lilly do today?
Someone stop Brittons plane on the runway.
“At this point I would almost be willing to trade Lugo straight up with you guys for Igawa!
Lugo just made another error. Sox have 21 errors this year with Lugo accounting for 11 of them.”
we will take you up on that
What league is Ted Lilly in Prince?
UNbelievable – how many more injuries must the Yankees withstand? This is far worse than last year…..and last year was the pits. It’s unfair, simply unfair…….and brutal. Alby is going to be pretty big loss if he’s out for while as he’s been a very solid contributor. At some point, as a fan, I’m almost tempted to throw my hands up in the air and say “I give up”.
“Kei Igawa is not as good as the character that Richard Pryor played in Brewster’s Millions”
No – but closer to the character he played in “Jo Jo Dancer, Your Life Is Calling”.
Pete,
Can you ban Trisha for liking and defending Igawa? It really kills morale here and lets face it. Its stupid. You should have a basic IQ to post here.
” trisha – I believe in Ks – Kyle and Kei!
May 9th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Chicago Dave – A saint, or perhaps according to some, an idiot. ”
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You Called Chicago Dave an idiot, right, trisha ?…and YOU are so pure and never with fault, right ?
I’ve got to be honest…I really can’t believe how poorly constructed this team is. It’s truly mindboggling.
The people who said why spend all that money on Posada, Rivera and ARod if you don’t plan on fielding a competitive team are right. What was Cashman trying to pull. The only thing I can think of is that they just don’t really care that much. They know this season the Stadium will be sold out, they know next year it will be sold out…by then the hope to have a competitive team again. They should have just admitted it. If they had said, “Hey we’re rebuilding, see you in 2010.” I really would have been okay with that. But this is just silly. Who are they going to get to fill out the rotation???
soo….igawa stinks it up…causing alba to pitch TOO MANY innings…and to get injured???
So..this game is kinda bad.
What did everyone have for dinner tonight? I had pizza. It was good.
This game, not so good..
OK…LaTroy got a break there….can he EARN this next out ?
Hey, the Yanks can’t get back to .500 tomorrow if they don’t lost tonight…
In other news, 41-year-old woman Michelle Duggar is pregnant with her 18th child. I wonder if any of them can pitch lefty.
YankeesTech May 9th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
What league is Ted Lilly in Prince?
Lilly onlu shutdown the MAJORS BEST TEAM and outdueled Danny Haren another guy Cashman passed on.
Dont make like Lilly never pitched in the Al East and routinely beat the Yanks and the Sox.
Another injury?? Are we cursed or something? Please somebody put back that Ortiz jersey.
Good job by LaTroy.
Pizza and calamari.
“Didn’t NY end up nipping at Boston’s heels for the division?”
And didn’t Boston … *GASP* … WIN the division?
Take your completely self-effacing points elsewhere.
I am starting to think LaTroy may not be so bad ( I hope I don’t regret saying that )
Nick in SF.. sorry I offended you.
The team isnt poorly constructed.
The starting pitching was poorly constructed. No team with 2 rookie starters can win. It has never happend. They needed to trade one of them for Santana or Haren.
That was smoked!
Robbie is on!
Girardi’s a bit aggressive with his use of relievers. While in some ways it’s better than Torre playing matchups down 5, he needs to back off a bit.
Of course, if his starters weren’t so terrible, pitchers wouldn’t be getting burned like this.
I never thought I’d miss Bruney this much.
PRINCE:
Ted Lilly was a George special. Lilly got beat up by the mets and Steinbrenner got rid of him for it. You think he wanted him back?
So you’re way off on that one. Blaming Cashman for everything is a pretty proactive though, I must admit
Time to stop the nonsense and get some runs.
My rally cap is on
cano finally coming around
Nice to see Cano seems to be getting over his sense of entitlement.
Brent there is a difference between rooting against a Yankee player and hoping he can find something (anything!) to help the team, and supporting him outright. I mean there has been some crazy irrational stuff posted here tonight. Its getting out of control.
You have the right to express your displeasure? Yes you do. How about those of us who choose not to and are fed up with being lumped in with those of you that choose to?
You got to love fans like Pepper Brooks’ and there sunny and positive outlooks.
(puking in my beer)
Nice job by LaTroy
Cano’s having a good game offensively, at least that’s one positive
Confucius
Take your completely moronic comments elsewhere
seriously DFA or trade Igawa, I said this since Sunday it should have been McCutchen or Wright, how much bad KARMA does Igawa have, there is only one SP doing a good job tonight in the whole system.
Chase Wright tonight saying it should have been me
6.0 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 3 K’s
GO/AO 8-6
Jennie Finch pitches from 43′ and actually throws around 70 MPH. Because of the distance, the hitters reaction time is the same as that of 95 MPH fastball at 60′ 6″.
Lilly for 40 mill or Igawa for 46 mill.
WOW.
7-6 Yankees win !!!!
Pepper, you didn’t offend me, so no worries, but I’ve noticed that tick a few times, it doesn’t help make your baseball point. There’s enough to argue about right now with the Yanks.
Meanwhile, this game isn’t over yet. And we now have a multi-hit game for Cano; if he’s really coming out of his funk, that’s another silver lining.
I had to spend all last year listening to whiners like yourself quit on this team and *gasp* they ended up in the postseason and favored to meet Boston in the ALCS..
So *gasp* take your tired defeatism too
Its amazing that the Tigers would be dead and buried and so would the Indians if they didnt play the Yankees.
“Chicago Dave – A saint, or perhaps according to some, an idiot. â€
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You Called Chicago Dave an idiot, right, trisha ?…and YOU are so pure and never with fault, right ?”
Uh no, Don Vito. I was responding to a post where Chicago Dave said I must be a saint. So I was instead calling myself an idiot by saying that while some may call me a saint, others may also call me an idiot.
I’ll wait for your apology and wonder why you felt the need to butt in in the first place.
It’s 6 – 1, but I feel a comeback.
Don, what did Pete tell you about those pom-poms. Take off the glasses too.
The thing that bothers me most about this game is in all the pre game interviews with Girardi when asked about what he expects for Igawa he kept on saying that he wanted him to compete. If that is all you are asked to do I have to say he failed miserably not even getting out of the 4th, looked like he didnt care (which I am sure he did)
We are rallying here!
Positive outlooks? They don’t produce anything.
Runner on 3rd with no outs, there is actually a part of me that is worried they might not get him in
a small part, I’ll call 8-6 Yankees win.
We are coming back!
Let’s Go Yanks!
funny that the only yankee who can get a hit with risp is chad moeller lol
Buddins.. one question..
If the Tigers were missing the starting All Star caliber catcher (pudge) AND they’re 2007 MVP (ordonez) I think they would be dead and buried.
Funny that’s where the Yankees are right now with Posada and A-Rod, but they are NOT dead and buried.
The whining on this forums is just getting annoying now. Id rather listen to NYYFans pretentiousness than this mess
“This forum will not get like others where assorted idiots to go insult each other.”
Heh, yeah right, Pete.
If you build a blog the assorted idiots will come.
There’s little chance of Igawa’s No. 29 being retired. Looking down from the clouds, what must an honorable man like James Augustus “Catfish” Hunter be thinking to see his former number being disgraced by the likes of Kei Igawa ?
“Nice to see Cano seems to be getting over his sense of entitlement.”
Huh?
Prince, try to get a grip. A lot of posters were ready to have a group kool aid-in because I supported LaTroy Hawkins. It killed their morale so badly that you could hardly read the print from the tears that fell as they posted.
I might be wrong here, and time will tell, but I think you’ll survive despite who I decide to support.
“If that is all you are asked to do I have to say he failed miserably not even getting out of the 4th”
Kennedy-esque you might say.
Let’s go Yankees!!!
Trish, you’ll be waiting a long time for me to say I’m sorry to you. I did nothing wrong. You take a stance that is kinda crazy and wonder when people call you out on it ? Get a thicker skin, lady. It’ll do ya good.
CHASE WRIGHT SPITS AT IGAWA
7.0 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 3 K’s
GO/AO 10-7
Another almost DP. Darn, Jeets!
““This forum will not get like others where assorted idiots to go insult each other.â€
Heh, yeah right, Pete.
If you build a blog the assorted idiots will come.”
Pot, kettle, and all that jazz.
Good hit and slide into second by Moeller.
I bet they give Michael Kei another start. The decision to sign Michael Kei was so deplorably inept that they hierarchy needs to grasp at every pretext imaginable to rationalize their decision.
Guaranteed: they blame Betemit for Michael Kei’s outing.
Are you calling Pete an idiot, V???
Well, seeing as he how he objectively analyzes the Yankees which often means that he doesn’t blindly praise them or keep a positive outlook on everything that happens to them … yeah, I guess you are calling him an idiot.
Unless I am grossly mistaken MOST of the posters here supported Hawkins; a mere handful did not. There are plenty of positive posters here. I’d say they outnumber the posters who are negative for no reason. There are a lot of people here who wish the Yankees were playing better, and everyone has there own way of expressing that.
It is sad that we can make a pitcher with a 9.00 ERA look good……this, I don’t like…..nasty.
It’s sad but we might have to get 1 maybe even two startering pitchers by next year.And the idea of Wells makes me as mad as Igawa to take the mound.
Trish
You really need to stop posting here. You lack of baseball IQ and ability to turn anything into an online squabble was tiresome last week and now it’s just annoying everyone here.
We get it. You like to support players who have no business being in the AL and will only succeed in San Diego’s park (Hawkins, Igawa, etc.)
jdubbb:
”because Rogers owns Damon while Matsui and Giambi own Rogers. That’s why.”
Quite the opposite.
Damon’s career line against Kenny Rogers:
16/53 (R)0 (HR)2 (RBI)7 (BB)6 (BB)0 (AVG).302
Damon (Last FIFTEEN Games)
16/50 (R)10 (HR)2 (RBI)4 (BB)6 (BB)2 (AVG).320
Again… with No AROD and No POSADA = NO TIME OFF!!!
“Trish, you’ll be waiting a long time for me to say I’m sorry to you. I did nothing wrong”
Yes you DID do something wrong. You said I called Chicago Dave an idiot and proceeded to discredit my integrity in the process. And then when I pointed out how you misread the post you didn’t even have the decency to acknowledge your mistake.
Good enough.
“You like to support players who have no business being in the AL and will only succeed in San Diego’s park (Hawkins, Igawa, etc.)”
Don’t forget Sean Henn.
Pete, on a very important matter, have any of you guys hit Erin Andrews? I can’t believe after all these years not a single beat guy has landed her. Couple drinks in her, someone’s gotta be able to seal the deal, no?
Confucius:
V was saying you are the pot calling the kettle black. In other words you are the insulting idiot Pete was referring to.
The fact that I had to explain this to you is proof enough.
“Trish
You really need to stop posting here. You lack of baseball IQ and ability to turn anything into an online squabble was tiresome last week and now it’s just annoying everyone here.”
not bad Hawkins….not bad at all
Time to get some more runs
“Are you calling Pete an idiot, V???
Well, seeing as he how he objectively analyzes the Yankees which often means that he doesn’t blindly praise them or keep a positive outlook on everything that happens to them … yeah, I guess you are calling him an idiot.”
No, I was responding to you, not Pete.
LET THE RECORD SHOW I CALLED THIS CRAP SINCE SUNDAY NIGHT
“V was saying you are the pot calling the kettle black.”
NOOOOO! Really???! Thank you for pointing that out to me. I never would have figured it out!
“The fact that I had to explain this to you is proof enough.”
And what does the fact that my sarcasm went completely over your head imply?
“In other words you are the insulting idiot Pete was referring to.”
I could not have been the ‘insulting idiot’ Pete was referring to, because I was making no insults. I was merely making objective points about the Yankees with no comments about any of the other posters … until another poster proceeded to insult me and tell me to leave as if I have no business posting here. I do believe Pete was referring to him.
May 9th, 2008 at 8:38 pm Ted wrote: “Please, Meat. Find me one Igawa apologist here. Get a life.”
Plenty of excuses being tossed around earlier in the thread for Igawa. Not my job to read the thread for you if you are incapable of doing so. Oh, and “get a life”… such rapier like wit. How long were you feebly fumbling at the keyboard before you came up with that one ?
riiight Confucius. “Sarcasm”
Clueless would be the correct term.
I could take losing with Hughes and Kennedy.
I love watching the kids come through.
But i really hope this is the end of Igawa.
* * * * *
And i love Cashman … would actually be very upset if he wound up leaving… but he atually blew the Igawa deal TWICE>
One – by signing him in the first place
and
TWO – Last year, San Diego was willing to actually give us a living, breathing minor leaguer for him and he turned THAT down!
Igawa and Pavano will always serve as a weapon to any and all Anti-Cashman fans.
This blog becomes a cesspool of stupidity when the Yankees are losing.
“riiight Confucius. “Sarcasmâ€
Clueless would be the correct term.”
Actually, it is said (by me I think), that the ability to use and (this one is important for you) recognize sarcasm is the true mark of a genius intellect. Jumping to take everything at face value is the true mark of a clueless intellect.
Can you guys (and girls) just stick to baseball..
please.
“This blog becomes a cesspool of stupidity when the Yankees are losing.”
Yeah. Because when they’re winning, the cheerleaders actually look smart.
I guess it’s safe to say that Kei Igawa didn’t bring our little LoHud Yankee Blog community together.
Twins up 5-2 and threatening.
“And i love Cashman … would actually be very upset if he wound up leaving… but he atually blew the Igawa deal TWICE>
One – by signing him in the first place
and
TWO – Last year, San Diego was willing to actually give us a living, breathing minor leaguer for him and he turned THAT down!
Igawa and Pavano will always serve as a weapon to any and all Anti-Cashman fans.”
To be fair, Pavano could have easily been the Red Sox failure, as they wanted him badly also.
Most of ‘Cashman’s’ failures are really George’s.
Amen V, Amen.
Confucius, stop trolling.
Kei Kei Kei Kei Kei Kei Hip Hip Koray Kei Kei Kei Kei Kei
Everyone else, ignore the troll.
“This blog becomes a cesspool of stupidity when the Yankees are losing.”
Truer words were never spoken. It is really something to behold.
Man see what happens when Kei Igawa pitches.He makes everybody on this board fight each other.
I hope Cash see’s that he’s mistake can’t be fixed.Igawa can’t pitch anymore.McCutchen is a bad idea since Chase Wright was pitching better then him in AA last year and we know the end to that story.
BUt McCutchen can’t pitch worse then Igawa.I think Kennedy is a better idea.The yankees actually thought Igawa was gonna be better.
Bet WTF
what the hell was that Wilson!!
Oh My God!! If Girardi puts Betemit there again….
10 hits and 2 runs???
Ugh..just ugh
“Confucius, stop trolling.”
I would gladly stop if I were doing anything of the sort. The only troll was the one who, completely unprovoked, told me to leave the blog. Was he told to stop trolling? No, I didn’t think so.
gggggrrrrrrrrr
This has got to be the worst infielder performance I’ve ever seen. Betimit is a joke, it looks like he’s given up and stopping any balls hit to the left side.
There’s a number of players on this team that need to be DFA. Betemit is one of them. How do you keep Betimit but send Gonzo down? It has to be the case of veteran over rookie.
“Most of ‘Cashman’s’ failures are really George’s”
Farnsworth, Wright, Brown, Heredia, Karsay, Pavano, Weaver, Myers, et. al.
George must have been pretty busy huh, V?
You know, it’s one thing for the Yankees not to hit. It’s another thing not to hit and not to defend. You can’t slack off in every aspect of the game and expect to win.
The Yankees used to work so many walks that 10 hits almost always equalled 8 to 10 runs. it’s such a departure for this team to not be working counts – taking pitches, fouling them off. I understand they’re missing a huge part of their offense, but taking good at bats, I thought, was a team-wide philosophy. Matsui swung on the first pitch last inning. All that does is help out the pitcher. Oh, well.
Why do the Tigers need Jones to close out a 4 run game? That tells you how good their bullpen isn’t.
It’s always good to see a team attempt to build a players confidence by sending them out there again and telling them to gut their way through a game but in Igawa’s case it’s the same as telling him that continued failure is an acceptable thing.
He’s been given muliple chances in 2 seasons and he is who he is. A risk that simply did not or can not work out. Dismiss the money issue and cut the cord. He’s as good as he’ll ever get in major league baseball. No upside in sight.
This Betemit guy is GREAT!! Cash amazing trade, got to hand it to you. Amazing that they have a guy playing 3rd that has misplayed about 5 balls today, cant hit and gets picked off 1st. While Gonzalez has to stay in the minors. He must be saying how bad am I if this disgrace is in the majors. Get him off this team!!
… and let me ask ya something else…
what happened to the Yankee’s playing small ball?
i was so excited about Girardi coming in just for this reason .. i’m still happy to have him ..he does some things that make me scratch my head – like REAL HARD – but i’m still optimistic about Girardi
but it seems the best way to get the Yankees out these days is by putting a few runners on.
we don’t seem aggressive AT ALL on the bases either.
we need a bit of a shake-up…. and i don’t mean sending out a different line up every day… or benching Johnny Damon or Hideki Matsui in the MIDDLE of a Hot Streak.
… we need a steal of home .. or even a double steal – remember those?
how ’bout it joe?
I hope it is safe to say this is the last we see of Kei Igawa. He just can’t make the transition to the different strike zone and hangs everything up. I went into this expecting the worst. Betemit looks really shaky at third, really limited range. Rather have Ensberg over there.
“Matsui swung on the first pitch last inning. All that does is help out the pitcher. Oh, well.”
They are swinging at the first pitch because they think that they are going to get a heater right down Broadway. What other teams have realized is that you don’t have to start them out with a fastball strike.
“Farnsworth, Wright, Brown, Heredia, Karsay, Pavano, Weaver, Myers, et. al.
George must have been pretty busy huh, V?”
Yeah, see, Cashman is a good GM because any bad front office decision is George’s not his (the good ones are all his, of course). Just like someone who doesn’t agree with you is a whiner, a moron, or a troll.
Really good work by the Yankees bullpen tonight.
The sad thing is, all the Twins wanted for Santana was Igawa and Betemit… and Cashman was too stubborn to say yes.
Speaking of awful things, the Sox have bases loaded, none out, with Lowell batting.
Albaladejo has “discomfort in the medial right elbow†according to the Yankees.
Paging Dr. Andrews?
We’re playing Detroit, whose offense has woken up and begun eating people, in Detroit. We have neither our third baseman nor our catcher, and we were starting a pitcher just called up from AAA.
I was hoping to see Igawa in long relief later in the season, and maybe we will, but he was not ready for this start. If times weren’t desperate, he wouldn’t have started tonight, but…
Oh, we could still take 2 of 3, but one of three would do at this point.
Elbow injury for Alby – wake me when this long, baseball nightmare is over because I’m almost beyond caring. This (the injuries, not the performances) is truly depressing
Time for a Yankees miracle?
Tomorrow the game is on Fox? Joe Buck? Oh no
What I meant to say was, it’s 5-4 Twins, Sox have men on 2nd and 3rd, none out.
Don’t shoot the messenger.
there ya go wilson!
Soon to be 5.5 back.
Boston, unlike the YAnkees, comes back when they trail in games.
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!!!
Tomorrow’s game is on Fox – which means it’ll be a Jeter love fest with Buck & McCarver
hey here’s a good idea, make Wilson the 1B and have him forget the RHB side, it’s clears he can hit as a LHB, SWING FROM THE LEFT !
One thing that I do not understand is how did Igawa actually get people out in AAA? Obviously the talent is much different because Kennedy threw a 1 hitter BUT every pitch that Igawa throws is up in the strike zone and even AAA hitters can’t hit it?!??! I find it almost impossible that he wasn’t smacked around by them. I would think someone in single A can kill his pitches. He had a 1 era in AAA???!?!?!!
I think I heard them say on the Detroit broadcast that Stockton and Karos are doing the FOX game tomorrow.
“What I meant to say was, it’s 5-4 Twins, Sox have men on 2nd and 3rd, none out.”
Gee, me and my silly knee-jerk reactions. Who could have predicted this happening?
Lugo due up any time soon?
Maybe Damon can start something here.
Aaaaaaargh! I switch to the Red Sox game for 1 pitch. It’s a wild pitch! The $#$#%% Sox pull ahead. Switching back.
merk…I hate Igawa, but who is worse, him or pavano?
hhhhhmmmmmm
I had actually changed the tagline earlier. I don’t ever give up on any Yankee player. But I don’t think it is always good for them to be working out their stuff at the big dance.
“Farnsworth, Wright, Brown, Heredia, Karsay, Pavano, Weaver, Myers, et. al.”
If you count Farnsworth as a failure up there with, say, Randy Johnson, then more power to ya.
I do NOT think that Cashman is without blame – however, before George really handed the reins onto Cashman, every offseason after a failed postseason berth met with the ‘OMG WE NEED TO GET A STUD PITCHER’. And off, the Yankees signed or dealt with another crappy former stud pitcher.
I can’t say I envy Cashman that job during those years.
Damon at 2nd! Captain clutch up! I’m getting pumped!!
looks like mr. damon needed oxygen after running that one out. got on base though…good boy.
Let’s Go Yanks! Let’s Go Yanks!
Maybe Igawa was pitching with a broken rib.
Funny how the veterans battle in the 9th with 4 runs down. The kids Cano and Melky give up there at bats. Jones can’t find the plate and they are swinging away. Pathetic..
Even if this ends here, at least they didn’t go quietly.
thank god for jeter
Come on, Bobby!!!!!
believe
Ok, that second pitch was a strike. The first one was not.
signs of life!
Let’s go Yankees!!!
“thank god for jeter”
you watched this whole game ?
“Maybe Igawa was pitching with a broken rib.”
He didn’t have his shades on! It must have been the lights!
whoaa
YES!!!!
Clutch!!!!!
Woo down by one now….
I think Igawa was pitching with a broken heart. He loves Scranton.
Now take care of that hit streak, Godzilla!
HOLY CRAP!
awesome, we have the right guy up there now!
I guess this is the guy you want up…
showin’ some heart …. FINALLY!!
whoa nellie
id walk matsui too
great time for the first 9th inning come back of the year
Shelley it’s now or AAA for you
Leyland, I don’t like you right now.
Damn they walk Matsui.
That’s respect!
Makes you wonder what could have happened if a few of those line drives were caught at third in the fateful 3rd inning…
Todd Jones always makes it interesting
C’mon Duncan!
Shelley baby. come on
Shelley, don’t try to swing for the HR at every pitch, just need to drive in Bobby!!!
Dang.
Leyland made the right move. Damn!
I wish we had another out to play with.
Nice comeback try by the Yanks….if only they had converted on some of those situations with RISPs they probably would have won the game.
Hopefully Rasner will pitch well tomorrow and the Yankees will score early and often.
Frustrating…but at least they made it interesting….
hit it on the screws
Oh, well. At least they tried.
Heheh. The Yankees remain the biggest $&*@-teases on the planet.
Shelley Maas.
At least they didn’t go quiet.
are you kidding me ?
Does this mean they won’t use Todd Jones tomorrow? I hope not.
Dang it
at least they showed some fight in the 9th
Duncan did exactly what he needed to do, just wasnt meant to be
Too little too late.
Another game full of wasted opportunities.
Gonna go on all summer.
i don’t care if jeter goes 0-fer the rest of his career
Thank God For Jeter!!
Oh well, if this game is the end of Igawa and Betermit forever I am ecstatic to take the loss.
“If you count Farnsworth as a failure up there with, say, Randy Johnson, then more power to ya.”
More power to ya? Does that mean you’re back-peddling. I don’t understand what that means. Does that mean you think Farnsworth and Johnson were good pick-ups?
I think it’s a bit strange to think the owner would put his stamp on Kyle Farnsworth and Steve Karsay. George only put his name on the big guys, like Giambi.
Thought that was going to clear the bases when it came down. Until the camera view changed.
Matsui’s hit streak also ended
It won’t surprise me if they give Igawa one more start.
No need to take a stroke. All I said is it won’t surprise me.
Thought Shelley hit that a bit better, but nice that he put the bat on the ball.
They went down with a fight – that’s a good thing. Missed early opportunities (and Kei and some bad D) cost them this game, ultimately. But, at least they woke us up at the end, right?
I’m off to torture myself watching the Sox-Twins game. Curse of the MLB cable package.
Well, at least Igawa competed today. Right Joe.
Pete made a good point, this game can be chalked up to the poor picking of the starting pitcher. All of a sudden they rushed Kennedy out of there and if he gave them one of his 3 run 5 inning starts they win the game… And also, if Betimit makes one of those grabs then they probably at least tie it up. Ashame, but when they started Igawa they had to know something like this could happen.
enough excuses for Duncan , he has been worse than Giambi, there comes a time your either an MLB player or a AAAA player and Duncan right now is looking like a AAAA.
P.S. Igawa sucks get rid of him, and if Bet plays put him to bat LH
If the Yanks didn’t sleep threw innings 2-8 then these runs would really mean something. Smart move by Leyland he knows that Duncan can’t hit. Duncan should not be in the majors. He can’t hit. He got an absolute meatball right down the middle and could not do a thing with it. It was fun while it lasted last year but he is dreadful. Get rid of the dead wood Ensberg, Betemit and Duncan.
I really think we need Gonzalez up permanently.
this team is a disgrace to all of new york city and the tri-state area.
But hey guys, remember at least we have Joba as the set up man.
Elsberry just got his 23rd steal in his 23rd attempt. Torture.
Wow, people need to stop blaming Duncan… You can’t expect everyone to be able to get a hit in the 9th inning. When you put a starter out there who you’re well aware is most likely going to give you very little chance to win the game, this is what happens.
But I think you can take a lot away from this game. Forget Igawa. Later in the season, in a game like this, that starter can very well be Joba Chamberlain, so you most likely win games like this.
Without Alex, we’ve got nothing. Sure, we put up a heck of a fight in the 9th, but we didn’t win. If only we decided to get some hits with RISP earlier, we’d have won.
Shelley needs to be sent down. The guy can’t hit and he can’t field. I know he’s better than Giambi in the field, but he is almost an automatic out. The guy looks horrible at the plate in every at-bat and I never feel good with him up.
I feel better with Moeller and Molina than with Duncan and I know neither of those guys will hit it out. Alberto Gonzalez should be on this team and we have Shelley taking his spot.
Betemit is another story. Trade the guy already. Let him hit a few more homers and trade him. We can only hope to pry a low level prospect or a reliever. Heck, give us back Scott Proctor.
What in gods name is Wilson Betamit doing on this team? He is an embarassment at 3rd base. As bad as The K man was tonite, Betamit could have made 3-4 plays that a real fielder should have…..and is Girardi kidding me with giving him the green light on 3-0 with runners on 2nd and 3rd?? we would be much better served with alberto gonzales who would have saved 3 runs tonite by making the plays at 3rd
I love Shelley as much as the next guy but he has options left in his contract and he has not grabbed control of anything here.
.192/.323/.269 in the majors is that acceptable ?
You cant sleep threw the 1st 8 innings and then all of a sudden in the 9th inning decide that you want to try and win a game. Well they could of if Duncan actually knew how to hit. But it is time to face it that he is just a AAAA player.
Somewhere in Indianapolis, IPK is thinking, “I could have done that”.
why are some of you so immature?
Shelley smashed it, and it got caught. That’s baseball. Deal with it.
Brandon: it is for Giambi and Cano
0-4 against the Tigers. The team with the worst bullpen and starting pitching in baseball.
SAD.
brandon you make any and all excuses for that worthless betemit, yet blame duncan for not getting a hit in the 9th?
maybe if that useless betemit could field his position we wouldn’t have been down as many runs.
Again, the bullpen did a good job of holding the score, giving the team a chance – and they had to do it for 6 innings! I hope Albie’s injury isn’t as bad as it sounds. What the heck does “discomfort” mean?
And Cano had another couple of hits. (Wish one of ‘em was in the 9th, but you can’t have it all, can ya?)
Jaewon it’s not being immature the kid has had 30 ABs and is hitting .194 w/ 1 RBI…what do you expect people to say good job, keep up the chin Shelley…no there are people in AAA right now who can produce a better clip.
They tried. Yeah, Todd Jones gave them the opportunity, but they didn’t quit. And Shelley did hit it hard, but in the wrong place.
They can’t run Igawa out there again. They can’t do that to the rest of the team, put them in a hole like that and basically write-off the game. It puts too much pressure on the hitters to have to keep looking at a comeback. Whether it’s Steve White or IPK again (although he should be considered independently of what else is going on), they need to get someone else to start Wednesday. Iggy has had a more than reasonable shot, and it’s just not fair to the rest of the team.
Oh yeah, I think Wilson Betemit has declared himself, also. If Detroit can release Jacques Jones, who was once a pretty fair ballplayer, and Toronto release Frank Thomas (although I think that was premature), then moving Betemit should be done. Outside of that HR against the White Sox when we first acquired him last year, and the HR yesterday, I can’t think of a big hit that he’s gotten. Though a few of those balls were hard hit, he did not exactly distinguish himself at 3B tonight.
We need to make some moves.
One final thing – I wouldn’t be surprised if Jon Abaladejo heeds TJ. That description of his symptom doesn’t sound good. Poor guy.
Yeah seriously, a good defensive player can make plays ALL the time, but even the best offensive player can’t always get a hit.
Betemit should take the loss for this one. I mean at one point I felt a little bad for him, it was like a little league game where they were hitting it to the kid who can’t field. Pathetic. And then that soft bouncer that looked like he didn’t even want to try to play it.
The Yanks actually would of had a chance if someone with a glove was actually playing 3rd base. About 3 runs were allowed that with a real 3rd baseman playing the runners would of been out. I don’t care what the Yanks say I don’t think Betemit can see properly. The last error that he made was a ball hit right next to him and he clearly did not see the ball. Yanks HAVE to bring Gonzalez back up there is no reason that Ensberg and Betemit should be playing ahead of him. Maybe he can play 1st base also and be a defensive replacement..You can’t have 1000 people on this team who can’t field.
What the heck does “discomfort†mean?
15-60 days.
The Yankees cannot be serious by saying Kei Igawa is going to start next Wednesday in Tampa, can they? You have to, at the very least, give Chase Wright a chance. Does anyone think Hank is on the phone to David Wells?
“brandon you make any and all excuses for that worthless betemit, yet blame duncan for not getting a hit in the 9th?
maybe if that useless betemit could field his position we wouldn’t have been down as many runs.”
I touched on Betemit already, I said he’s better off swinging as a LHB and should be worked as a 1B. Shelley again it’s not hating on him but he’s not getting hits at all.
With apologies to Dr. Suess and the book Green Eggs & Ham:
I do not like Kei Igawa!
I do not like him, Joe Girard-a!
I do not like him on the mound
I do not like him on the ground
I do not like him when he pitches
I do not like him in his stocky little britches
I do not like Kei Igawa!
I do not like him, Joe Girard-a!
I do not like him as a Yank
I do not like his pitching that stank
I do not like him when he throws
I do not like him giving up hits to foes
I do not like Kei Igawa!
I do not like him, Joe Girard-a!
I do not like him throwing slow pitches too high
I do not like him — he makes me cry
I do not like him — that is all I can say
I do not like him — send him back to Scranton, PA
I do not like Kei Igawa!
I do not like him, Joe Girard-a!
There is plenty of blame to spread all around for this loss.
Twins walked Ortiz to get to Manny. Manny struck out with men on 2nd and 1st. Innnnning over!
rather have SD in there swinging the bat over someone that waits around with a bat on his shoulder.
I hope Alex doesn’t decide to rush his rehab after watching Betemit tonight. AG needs to come back ASAP!
” UPDATE, 10:10 p.m.: They can’t actually pull this off, can they?
UPDATE, 10:11 p.m.: Guess not. Nice try. Makes what Igawa did even worse. ”
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SPOT ON, Peter. A great effort by every player on the team, except the K-Man. He must go…gone…NEVER to come up to the NYY MLB team again….no matter WHAT he does in AAA. And who was the poster saying that Duncan needed to be in the lineup ?…when it came down to it, he did what ?…Look at the 9th inning and it is clear as day…you have DAMON in this game and not DUNCAN and we just may have eeked out a win. NO worries….we start a 6 game win streak tomorrow…..Everyone get some sleep…Good Night, ALL !
Daver….you rock ! :-p
Baseball blows!
Betemit really adds nothing to this team. Doesn’t field any position particularly well. Does nothing RH and is okay LH. So why is he here and not Gonzo?
Both he and Igawa should be DFA. Waste of roster space.
I agree with people who say Gonzo should be brought back up. Right now, with Betemit and Ensberg there are no guarantees meaning you’re going to get spotty fielding and little production at the plate. With Gonzo at the very least you’re guaranteed flawless defense so you don’t have to watch tragedies like we saw at third tonight.
pat -
Unfortunately.
(Thanks for the giggle on that 15-60 days.)
I agree with everyone saying that AG needs to be brought up and Betemit DFA’d. You don’t get enough out of Betemit to justify a spot on this team. But, Ensberg was playing a much better 3rd base than Betemit, and if they don’t want to bring AG up, Ensberg is at least okay.
The real blame for this loss falls on Girardi. He put together the lineup. He put Betty in at third and Matsui in left.
Betty is not a very good player. While Procter had his arm falling off, it still was a bad trade to get Betty in return.
Had they had say the AG at third I bet those balls wouldn’t have gotten through. Had Ensberg been there, the number might have been cut in half.
Igawa was throwing BP, so that didn’t help, but the bigger problem was fielding. Everything was being hit to Betty and far too many went on through.
So. How does someone turn around and say Girardi is a smart manager when you have this lineup and fielding put together when Igawa is on the mound? It was the same with Kennedy when he was pitching.
Girardi seems to think he needs to rest his best hitters or fielders when struggling or questionable pitchers are on the mound. How does that make any sense at all? Honestly, could you imagine Torre doing something as boneheaded as this? Once, you might think he was trying something. Twice and you know its on purpose, so either he was throwing the game or he is incompetant.
WHAT??!
Joe is saying about Igawa in the post-game: “he kept trying it’s not he he wasn’t trying…the plan is for him to start again in 5 days, that’s the plan…”
Did someone put Girardi on happy pills? He actually said he saw “some good things” out of Igawa and didn’t sound upset on the post-game interview. Is he crazy? What good things can he possibly have seen out of that bust when Al Lieter said he saw nothing and neither did anyone at home??
I’m watching the Sox so you don’t have to. Twins chased Lester in the 6th. Aaardsmore is pitching now. Looking like he’s going to walk a man into scoring position.
IDK why people think I show favoritism at all, anyone here can tell you I keep my comments as consistant as I can, but if people here think Shelley Duncan’s roster spot is not at jeopardy your fooling yourself, Matt Carsons right now in SWB is batting .455 and is RH masher w/ better plate discipline and speed than Shelley, don’t think it’s not being talked about.
As for Betemit we went over it so many times he is a better LH batter and doesn’t play defense like he did tonight usually. And if they want to trade him same thing as Shelley.
Dee –
But you had to watch the body language and see the shrug of the shoulders and the smirk on his face. He said the plan is to start Igawa, but I’m sure it’s a subject under discussion. Of course Igawa was trying – what pitcher or player is almost always trying – so Girardi was not wrong in saying that. He also said he couldn’t do it, even though he was trying. Girardi is not going to tell the media first that the plan has been scrapped 2 minutes after the game has ended.
It stinks that Alba got hurt. But I am sure them making him throw 50 pitches every time out when he is used to pitching 1 inning didn’t help the matter.
Scratch that. Delmon Young was cut down at the plate. 7th now.
I’m stunned after that post-game. I hope Girardi was so forgiving of Igawa only because they are trying to get him traded. Otherwise I will wonder if Girardi got hit in the head by a foul ball when we weren’t watching.
1. Alby going on the DL
2. Chris Britton on his way back
3. “The plan is for Igawa to start Wednesday.”
AS I SAID, if the defense behind him hadn’t been poor and the result was the same there probably would not have been a question of Igawa starting again.
Though it may change, that’s the report as of now.
So much for my “baseball IQ”…
Luckily we know that Girardi telling us what the plan is on Friday has no relation to what the plan might be on Wednesday.
They can’t be serious about sending him back out there on Wednesday.
I’m gonna go bang my head on a brick wall for a while.
Chien-Ming Wang is named winner of the “Major League Baseball Clutch Performer of the Month Presented by Pepsi” for April.
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I was at the game tonight, it was cold and windy. The two drunk guys sitting next to me liked Igawa pitching. Even the Detroit radio guys were talking about how useless Betemit is, so I think everyone can see it. Too bad the Yankees couldn’t pull it off, it was getting exciting there at the end.
Hey, Raven. Do you work for Pepsi?
Defense behind Igawa poor? Sure, but those were all very hard hit balls. Sooner or later, balls hit hard over and over eventually become hits, right? Isn’t that Baseball 101?
Doreen, you’re probably right. And I must admit I’m not that cool-headed right now after that dreadful game. Ok calling it a night and heading out…
Agreed, bring AG back up. Igawa needs to be sent to extended spring training permanently. Quit wasting a roster spot on him. Give someone else a chance, maybe White, Giese, McCutchen, Wright.
Bob I’ll make sure I drink myself out
i’m watching the sox game too
and ya know .. i really hate to say it, ’cause i love my yankees…
… but the sox really are THAT much better right now.
I’m now in Florida and subscribe to the MLB Extra Innings Package .. LOVE IT!! .. watch baseball all night long… if you love baseball, it’s worth the dollar a day
with that said, i get to watch my share of red sox games.
man .. i’m not really a fan of his .. especially after last year when he was crying about joba throwing at him … but Youkilis is an amazing ball player – all the way around.
A great gamer… great skill set … would love to have this guy on my team!
and pedroia is becoming their jeter…. the kid is better than his numbers.
It’s a little scary actually.
they have not pulled 1 out yet this year. anyone suprised they came up short???
Betemit was AWFUL tonight, just awful..
I posted when they send the AG down they should keep him up and have 1 less pitcher, I still believe that.
Boston ahead 6 to 5, the wor that describes them and is a word that does not describe the Yanks is RELENTLESS. THE SUX ARE RELENTLESS AND WERE USUALLY GO DOWN LIKE LAMBS, NO ANGER NO TOUGHNESS LIKE LAMBS..
The difference between the sux young pitchers(who so far have been a little better ) is there relentlss offense bails them out left and right.
Igawa does not deserve another chance, try to trade him to San Diego, he was awful but his defense also hurt him a lot.
On Jeters 440 Avg with RISP I wonder how many were non run scoring infield singles….
again the good news is there will be some changes during the season to get younger and more athletic….
so far they are not a fun team to watch…..
David, here’s how Girardi can say something positive about Igawa’s start. Of the 6 runs in the game, at least three of those happened because of bad plays behind Igawa. Igawa had a 1-2-3 second inning and would have been out of the third inning but for Duncan’s drop at first and about three or four misses by Betemit. Those you can’t pin on Igawa.
Managers often see good things in outings that MOST fans would look right past.
I suppose it is possible that Girardi will change his mind about Igawa starting Wednesday but because Igawa got hurt a lot by defense, he may not be totally convinced that Igawa can’t win a game.
That’s my guess, but we’ll see in the upcoming days.
(I also think Girardi needs to put Molina behind the plate whenever he has someone starting from AAA. But that’s a story for another day.)
What does Igawa stand for?
I
Got
A
Weak
Arm
Suzyn said that Igawa told reporters that he thought that he pitched WELL. He thought that his pitches including his breaking ball was good, funny since Girardi said that his breaking pitches were awful. Amazing this guy really does live in his own world.
do not put Giese up here, it’s either White, Wright or McCutchen, preferably Cutch or Wright
“Defense behind Igawa poor? Sure, but those were all very hard hit balls. Sooner or later, balls hit hard over and over eventually become hits, right? Isn’t that Baseball 101?”
Let’s also not forget that Igawa was throwing to a different catcher his last start. If he can’t get the same catcher every start, what can we expect from him?
Luckly Chris had to change planes, so he was easily able to turn back.
A few things from Joe’s press conference. I don’t think we will see Wilson starting third tomorrow. Second, while Joe said the PLAN was to start Igawa Wednesday, I doubt he will. He couldn’t say he’s not going to start without speaking to Cash.
He also said he can’t just go out there and be a one pitch pitcher, he wasn’t throwing any of his other pitches. I can’t see him going out there.
Igawa also said that he thought he threw well. Suzy was like what the heck was he watching.
trisha
Joe couldn’t come out and say Igawa sucked. He said it without saying it that is enough.
Joe also kinda sorta called out Wilson by saying he should have made some plays at third.
Jennifer even I would say it, No he does not start on Wedensday, that mistake was already done, send his you know what out of here.
Please don’t start making excuses for Igawa.
He is what he is.
Throwing him out there again is praying for a miracle when most likely you are basically forfeiting the game.
How much more does everyone need to see from him?
“Igawa also said that he thought he threw well.”
Well, I guess for him 8 runs over 2 innings would be less than well? I’d love to hear the interview after 5 runs over 4 innings.
Good point, Jennifer. We can now decode that when Joe says “The Plan is….” That means “stay tuned….!”
Nick, Baseball 101 is that balls hit on the screws will eventually either drop in or fly out of the park. Scorching line drives getting fielded or getting through is called a toss up based on who you have in the field.
Many pitchers will give up scorching line drives that end up as web gems – and they’ll win games.
Look Igawa may be headed back to Scranton tonight for all we know. But I immediately said that I wouldn’t be surprised if you saw Igawa get another start, and the total reason for that is because Wilson Betemit singlehandedly blew the third inning wide open, and any manager will have a real hard time pinning that on his pitcher. It’s all going to depend on what Girardi thinks is the best way to go with it.
That same outing without poor defense I don’t think there’s a shot of a snowball in hell that Igawa gets another start.
Great Stuff Daver!!!!!
Jennifer – I am with you. Suzyn emphasized that Girardi said the PLAN, but Girardi also said that the way Igawa pitched was unacceptable. Girardi said that only 1 pitcher in baseball can live with one pitch and that is Mo. I am sure that Girardi will talk to Cashman and then they’ll make a decision.
Ensberg has to play 3rd on Sunday with Andy pitching (another lefty)
Moeller was in there because he had caught Igawa in SWB.
Girardi said he was basically able to throw one pitch for strikes, that his breaking ball was totally ineffective. I suppose they could work with him in the pen, but seriously, isn’t that what he was supposed to be doing in AAA?
Igawa was victimized a little bit by poor defense, but he couldn’t bail himself out by pitching better. He cannot do it here. He has been given umpteen opportunities, dare I say more than is fair, and he’s never been able to do it consistently. He had 1 good outing, the unexpected relief appearance for Karstens, and maybe 2 or 3 fair outings. That’s not good enough. I’d rather the Yankees, if they’re going to struggle, struggle with Kennedy, who I think will improve with opportunities.
Sorry I screwed up Baseball 101. Sorrier still that Igawa and Betemit screwed up that game. No more, please.
The ONLY reason I can see Igawa pitching his next start is because they really have no one else to pitch. Betemit was awful at 3rd base but every single batter absolutely smoked the ball. Abreu had to actually go near the wall like 20 times to chase down balls. Also the Tigers haven’t been hitting if he was facing a team who really hits, like Tampa in his next start it is going to be even worse.
For all of the people who don’t want him to start next week who should pitch then??!!!
PinstripedPlayer – You have to admit it, the Red Sox are playing well now. That’s why they have the record that they have.
A big part of our problem is the injuries, obviously, but we can’t go digging holes for ourselves. And I don’t mean Shelley Duncan.
I mean using starting pitchers who haven’t given any indication they can pitch in the MLs, or backup players who haven’t shown what they can bring to the table. I realize they’re backups for a reason, but they have to be at least competent in the field.
We have other options available. We need to start using them, instead of turning to the same old, same old. And I know this organization/Cash is capable of being bold – I remember bringing up Wang and Cano a couple of years ago. That turned out pretty well. I’m not saying the next moves will be as successful, but you have to do something other than the same old, same old.
trisha, please, spare us. We know the defense was piss-poor, but looking beyond the score and errors etc, what did you see out of Igawa’s pitching that was good or that you liked? Maybe we were watching a different game, but I saw a ton of VERY hard hit balls. The first inning was bordering on pathetic. I’m a die hard Yankee fan but in the first you couldn’t help but laugh at how hard the Tiger hitters were hitting the ball. I mean it was effortless and they were just slapping it around. And two swing and misses? That’s encouraging? We all are well aware that Igawa was trying his hardest, but his hardest clearly isn’t going to get it done.
And then to top it all off, an extreamly experienced MLB pitcher in Al Leiter who is employed by Yankees Global couldn’t find anything positive that Igawa did tonight. That’s troubling for me being that Leiter usually finds a little something good to say when a pitcher struggles.
I can go out there and probably win a game if I get diving catches out of my fielders every time a ball is hit to them, but that’s not going to happen. The fielders need to be capable of making good plays, which I don’t think Betemit is, but you cannot expect a diving grab every time. And those balls Igawa was giving up were hit hard. They weren’t softies off the end of the bat.
People have to be serious around here. You know Joe was thinking Jesus Christ what were the Yankees thinking when they signed a guy who lives up in the strike zone. High in the strike zone is ml hitters happy place. There is no way in hell he is starting another game under my watch.
Now he couldn’t actually say that, but shoot him up with truth serum and that is what you’d hear.
Don’t look now but the Twins relievers are mowing down the Sox. At least something might turn out right tonight.
Jennifer, I said I wouldn’t be surprised if Girardi decided to give Igawa another start, and I will not be surprised.
Really a simple statement.
Dave -
Yep.
Be prepared. We don’t make the decisions. Igawa may get another start.
David agreed. The first inning especially it seemed like he stuck the ball on a tee for them to hit.
Please… Cashman,.. send Igawa back to Japan. Better yet, send him to the Padres. At this point, I’d shake Cash’s hand if he paid the Padres $46 million to take Igawa off our hands.
trisha, it was leaving pitches down the middle, the ground balls were no more than 1 hoppers, the play Wilson should have made was the bunt and the hit to the right, but that doesn’t excuse the ball hit to Jetes side, the line drive between Melky and Matsui, the line drive to RF,, the one in the gap, and just the fact they pulled all his pitches tells you how hittable he was, he also nearly threw the ball away 8 times when Moeller had to get up from his crouch.
It was a mistake, Wright or McCutchen should have started tonight.
I feel bad for Albaladejo. Suzyn said he was very upset and in pain – like something was stuck through his elbow. He is on his was back to NY for tests.
Guys, Peter made the point in one of his comments that says all you need to know about Igawa:
64 pitches, 2 swinging strikes
Having gold glove defenders at every position will not save a pitcher who does that. You cannot survive in the major leagues with what he has. It’s not gonna change. All they are doing is compounding the mistake by continuing to try him.
Cut your losses, learn from your mistake, and move on I say.
I’m all for getting Boomer back. I hope it happens.
the injuries are a BS excuse.. the angels are playing without there top 2 pitchers and there 3rd best hitter(Kendrick) and they are doing more then fine.
the yankees are a slow, low energy, give bats away bad team at present.
the pitching has actually been decent this yr. check out the stats….
the pen has actually been very very good… thay cannot hit, they gor giambi, cano, and at least 2 other guys doing nothing.
they have zero HR’s from the SS position, 5 from the 3B position etc..
Detroit was running on Matsui like he throws like my sister, and betemit has giambi type range…..
they have not comeback in a game late this yr,,,,,,that is not a good stat…….
And I don’t think anyone can rip Girardi for postgame comments about his players. He’s trying to be polite and not openly criticize his players. Behind closed doors, though, decisions need to be made. As discussed above.
“.192/.323/.269 in the majors is that acceptable ?”
^^Generally no, but it depends on how many at-bats you have. Shelley only has like 30 and gets at-bats very infrequently. With that few at-bats, his batting average will jump 50+ points if he gets two or three more hits,
His at-bats tonight were better. He’s being more patient at the plate and waiting for the right pitch (he wasn’t doing that before). The last at-bat he hit well, but it just didn’t land in the right place. There’s no fault at that.
But of course the chicken littles around here can’t wait to blame someone for something when the Yanks lose, so it wouldn’t surprise me that they couldn’t wait for Shelley to be shipped to the moon.
Brandon, uh, you’re telling all of that to the wrong person. They don’t let me decide who’ll make the start on Wednesday. As long a rope as Girardi had with Hughes and Kennedy, it will not stun me to see him trot out Igawa.
Night all.
Jennifer -
I’m glad someone heard Joe Girardi the same way I did!
When will people here figure out you can’t argue with Trisha?
Is it Rasner tomorrow night?
Trisha, you are truly out of your mind. Igawa gave up 6 runs in 3 innings….he got NOBODY out in the 4th inning. He will NOT start on Wednesday,,,,,GUARANTEED and you have as much baseball sense as a 2nd grader….really…and that is giving you too much credit….Go Ask Pete what he thinks of Igawa….he’ll agree that HE STINKS !
By the way, I thought Shelly Duncan hit the ball well. Unfortunately it was caught. I’m not surprised that some immediately called for his castration. That’s the way it goes around here with the superior race. I think he’s a great addition to the Yankee team.
Hey Cash:
to solve your Igawa problems, you don’t need $46 million… you only need $976…
From Expedia:
$976
10:25 am Depart Detroit (DTW)
Arrive Tokyo (NRT) 3:00 pm +1 day
Fri 23-May
Duration: 15hr 35min
Japan Airlines flight number: 5437 / 9
Connect in Chicago (ORD)
it’ll be the best money you’ve ever spent.
see ya after recess on Monday, trish !
“The ONLY reason I can see Igawa pitching his next start is because they really have no one else to pitch.”
And if that’s the case, then Cashman really has to go. How can a team have a $200M payroll and no depth in the roster? Who’s pitching in the minors and why can’t they be called up? They can’t find anyone better than Igawa??
Sometimes I wonder what really goes on in the Yankees front office. Its getting disappointing & frustrating.
The women on this blog make a lot of sense. They’re not taking Joe at face value. He speaks in code!
Yes, Trish,,,Duncan, Wilson and Igawa are all GREAT additions to the Yankees …..now stop tipping that bottle and put your head down on the little…..think of your teddy bear and your blanky….
$976 to Tokyo!! Seriously, that’s a great deal! Gotta love Expedia
Doreen, yeah just like I was wrong when I said Hughes and Kennedy were going to be removed from the rotation and they were, and Hawkins and Farnsworth were going to work out fine and they did. Perhaps your question should be when are people going to learn to pay attention to what I say?
And won’t you feel foolish if Igawa gets another start! I just like to read the baseball tea leaves rather than let any overarching emotion cloud my thinking! Must be my legal training that renders my baseball IQ meaningless to the greater minds here. Well I guess you just can’t have it all.
Erk
It comes from all those years of trying to figure out what your kids are really saying!
Doreen… Ha! I hear you!
sunny615
This is better
6:00 am Depart Detroit (DTW)
Arrive Tokyo (NRT) 1:45 pm tip+1 day Sat 10-May
Duration: 18hr 45mn
All Nippon Airways All Nippon Airways All Nippon Airways 7717 operated by United7717 / 11
Connect in Chicago (ORD)
CBR
Ain’t that the truth, it was going to cost me $300 to go to Toronto, for 3 times that I could fly all the way to japan.
Being on the 40 man roster does not give justification to bring up Igawa, Giese and Mccutchen were pitching very well. Even White was pitching decent. Igawa is a worse investment than pavano and randy johnson combined. They actually won a few games. This guy is better off injured than healthy. Cashman please leave this organization. The youth movement could have been done by anyone. Your free agent signing are atroscious. Leave us in peace.
I believe that igawa is getting another start because this is his last “audition” in the majors. Either he improves, or the Yankees are going to cut bait. They want to be absolutely sure before throwing away $46 million.
Send him to Boston. It will be much cheaper. And it might help us more!
Trisha -
No, I won’t feel foolish. It’s baseball, which I’ve followed and loved for many years, but do not pretend to have the skill of professionals who make the decisions. So, if Igawa pitches another game, it’s not skin off my nose and makes no difference to my life.
You really like to put people down and put yourself forth as St. Trisha, best-informed most loyal fan of the Yankees, but you are really nasty to people. I’ve stopped myself so many times from getting involved, but I really don’t like people who say they have a live and let live life philosophy but get defensive when people disagree with them. Everyone here is entitled to their opinions. And that’s all they are is opinions. No one’s is more valid than anyone else’s. More informed, perhaps, but not more or less valid.
So, that’s the last you’ll hear from me in response to you.
rsm, they don’t need one more start to be absolutely sure!
CBR, there is no way anybody here can say Shelley’s roster spot is guaranteed w/ that clip, first off he’s not a starting 8 position player, those are the breaks w/ mininmum ABs, he has been given a chance Robi Cano hasn’t recieved, which is bat clean up w/ Matsui protecting him, he needs to pick it up or he’s going to be an automatic out we continue to make excuses for.
Also, I agree with many of you that Betemit needs to go. His bat isn’t good enough to make up for the butcher he is in the field. AG is no Ruth at the plate, but he is a superb defenseman.
With AG and Ensberg, all infield positions are covered on the bench. No need for Betemit anyway.
Sox had a lot of chances to put this game away. Twins relievers have 5 shutout innings. Bottom of the 9th now. Beeeeelieeeeeeeeeeve!
For a positive-I think Cano is starting to get something going.
Yay
Time again for the Papelbaum Blooper Reel!
Should’ve sent him yesterday.
Leadoff runner is on!
Leadoff runner is now in scoring position!
he’s going against the btm. of the lineup it’ll take a miracle, and Gomez isn’t that.
who is a good pitcher for wednesdays game? White? McCutchen?
leadoff runner on 3rd!
How about stealing home!
What’s really a shame, is that Igawa is actually a good pitcher when he keeps the ball down. Unfortunately, he just hasn’t been doing that consistently. Actually, hardly at all. I’m speculating here, but his nerves may be resulting in him trying to overthrow the ball resulting in it staying up in the zone. He may be another Contreras (i.e. headcase), and may succeed in a new city under less pressure.
Cutch
Or how about hitting it to Lugo!
I think give White a go. If Horne is available go with him.
Horne is still on the dl.
3 and 2. Almost a wild pitch!
Would the Yanks actually give one of the kids from AA a one start chance? I don’t see how they can possibly pitch Igawa again. I mean he isn’t even competitive out there and the team knows that they have absolutely no chance with him on the mound.
walked him
Paps could be in the middle of blowing another one.
Just walked gomez
first and third, two out … sox lead 6-5 .. bottom of the ninth
mike lamb at the plate
c’mon twins
winning run on 2nd!!!!
city without pressure?? How about Amsterdam??
I thought Gomez was going to try and bunt himself on like a squeeze. Since the bottom of the lineup isn’t going to get a 2 out hit.
Why not he can’t be any worse than Igawa, plus no one will have a ‘book’ on him.
WOW ,… TWINS WIN
TWINS WIN!!!
TWINS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmmm, trouble in Pappytown?
TWINS @!!! YESS LAMB !!
HOORAY FOR LAMB!!!!! That is now 2 blown saves in a row for Mr. Papelbum..Nothing is better to watch after a Yanks loss then this..
Papleblown blew another one!!
I thought Horne was almost done rehabbing??
How about them Twinkies!
Yay for the Twins!
Not only do the Twins win, Papsmear blows his second straight save!!!
Feel a little bit happier now.
Actually, not really, we could have gained a game. arghhhhhh
sunny- I’m not sure, but even if he is I can’t see him making his first start off the dl up here.
Great job Paplecrapper..greeeat job.
Nice win for the Twins
Paplecrapper is our new lucky charm!
while the sawx losing is nice. I’m still more po’d that the yanks can’t find pitching or consistency. Its getting pretty pathetic.
can Papelbon rebound from blowing 2 saves stay tune tomorrow
Funny how many different nicknames people have for Paplebon :Lol:
Nevermind what the experts are saying. I have this weird feeling that the East will be easier to win than the Wild Card.
from chad Jennings swb blog Horne was already throwing ?? I’ll have to take another look.
Brandon, Is espn going to run that as a headline?
Ah Doreen, not better informed. Just a lot less emotional than many people here, you included certainly. But it’s good that it was your last response to me. I don’t feel I lost a lot, no offense. I felt your little edge the other evening when you queried whether we were going to have a list of who supported which player all season. I realized that was directed to me, but I actually didn’t care.
RSM – good objective post re: Igawa. I agree with your take on his last audition. It makes sense. (That’s not always good around here if it doesn’t slot in with what the restless natives want to have happen.)
Got another text message this morning from Alan Horne (left). As scheduled he threw all of his pitches today, and he reported that his arm felt great afterward. “Best my arm has felt to date,” Horne said. At this point, Horne said he feels ready, he’s just waiting for the rehab process to play out.
In other news from Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Nardi Contreras is still here. He told me yesterday that he was heading to Trenton today, but it seems he misspoke because the Thunder aren’t home right now. Just double checked my notebook from last night and at the end of the Contreras interview are the words, “Going to Trenton tomorrow.” Oh well.
from scranton blog
Alriiighteee then… On that happy note, I’m tucking in. G’nite all!
Sunny I hear what you’re saying about the Sux losses not quite making up for Yankees lack of consistency. There was a time when a Sux loss was good enough to make it a wash, but these days it’s really nowhere near that.
Hopefully Kennedy is making progress down in Scranton.
It’s May 10 and we’re only 4.5 back. There’s a long way to go, and plenty of time to make up that little bit of ground.
Personally, I kinda like the fact that the AAA crew are getting a chance to make it in the Majors.
It’s a big incentive within the organization when kids in the minors realize that the brass isn’t simply going to deprive them of the opportunity by going outside the farm system for a hired hand…
Or worse: use the kids as bargaining chips, as if that were the plan all along.
Cashman has worked hard to change the culture of the Yankees which was far too willing to trade young talent for aged experience. You need both of course, but the Yankees took it to the EXTREME; in corporate terms, they were “top-heavy” and that suffocates the younger stars – NEVER a good thing.
Girardi is being patient whilst applying the proper amount of pressure. Cashman’s job is to “explain” it to the brass and the press (and the fans), i.e. keep the know-nothing Monday morning quarterbacks from ruining the team.
We’re rooting for Rasner tomorrow.
Go Yankees.
Go Yankees!
Well, glad I missed the bloodbath around here.
WOW, Igawa stinks Q_Q
At this point I’d rather the start David Wells than Kei Igawa hahaha
We’re not going anywhere until we get healthy and find someone reliable at the back end of the rotation.
mindbogglingly bad posts tonight, people. i expect a lot more from this forum.
a promising young rookie reliever leaves the game with some ominous symptoms and there’s nary a post. Jon Albaladejo was a potential 8th inning guy when Joba goes into the rotation. now….i have no clue.
too much talk about how “poorly constructed” this team is, but not a bit of understanding that the seeds for 2008 were planted with the terrible decisions of 5-6 years ago. 2008 may be our chickens coming home to roost, and that has zero to do with Ian Kennedy and Phil Hughes.
yes, Igawa sucks, but this a team going through a hell of a transition right now. Kei Igawas do happen during that time. Hopefully, he never happens again.
anyways, awful night post-wise here. not that i’m the voice of f’n reason either, but i can usually count on this place for intelligent, thoughtful opinions.
trisha- The sox loss would be much more palatable if this team wasn’t playing mediocre baseball. Igawa has no place on this team and has firmly cemented his status as a AAA player. Hughes in injured and IPK needs to get his groove back. Right now we have Wang, pettite and a 50-50 moose. I’m not advocating a stupid move just to win now, because half the problems are with this sleepy offense. Without Arod and Posada in the lineup, there are too many holes in this offense. They’re still using a powerball offense with an offense that has no power. Forget Betemit and bring up Gardner. They need a fundamental change in philosophy on offense. Moeller, Betemit, and Molina aren’t going to get any offense going.
someone needs to tell cash igawa is a lost cause