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Hank: Yanks tank

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 14, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Right on cue, Hank Steinbrenner bashed the Yankees.

Hours before Joe Girardi insisted his team was playing hard after a 2-1 loss against he Rays, here is what Hank Steinbrenner told Kevin Kernan of the Post:

“We’ve got to forget about all the injuries and start playing our butts off. The bottom line is that the team is not playing the way it is capable of playing. These players are being paid a lot of money and they had better decide for themselves to earn that money.”

This was my favorite part:

“This is going to get turned around. If it’s not turned around this year, then it will be turned around next year, by force if we have to.”

By force? What does that mean, executions at dawn for anybody not trying hard enough?

Anybody else get the idea that this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better?

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446 Responses to “Hank: Yanks tank”

  1. Stan May 14th, 2008 at 5:03 am

    Does anybody feel that Girardi is being a bit soft? Softer than we expected? I hope Hank’s statements get him more fired up, and consequently fire up this yankee squad.

    And another thing — the return of Posada and ARod aren’t going to fix things at all because they’ll be rusty.

    And who’s stealing bases on the Yanks other than Damon who has a measly 5? I’m betting the Yanks are among the worst teams in SBs.

    C’mon Yanks!! Get with it…

  2. Scott May 14th, 2008 at 6:03 am

    I am probably in the minority, and it may be my military background, but I am all for Hank spouting off. Something has to get these guys going. They can’t use the excuse of not having A-Rod and Posada for not scoring more than one run. For a team that is supposed to be averaging 5-6 runs a game, you can’t tell me those two are responsible for 5 runs and 7 other guys one run. Ridiculous.

    Jeter hits a triple with one out and they can’t get him in with Abreu and Matsui following, a sac fly, a hit to the right side? Come on, this is pathetic.

    Stan I agree with you 100% about Girardi, this guy, I thought, was going to get the team motivated. He yells at reporters more than his team. What is he waiting for, perhaps it will take Hank to make a bold move for him, like dropping an over priced vet or firing one of his coaches, which I would be in favor of.

    This is becoming RIDICULOUS.

  3. ARX May 14th, 2008 at 6:06 am

    So, the Yanks are underacheiving offensively (check), need to score more (check), not use injuries as an excuse (check), need to do a better job of earning their huge paychecks (check), and if not, next year will bring changes (check). Good ol’ Hank will get hammered for this by the usual suspects….but other than the timing (‘kicking them when theyre down’ argument) what did he say that was either not factually accurate or exactly what alot of fans are thinking right now?

  4. LathamJoe May 14th, 2008 at 6:17 am

    Some of you guys sound just like Hankenstein. What happened to Junior’s “We have to show patience with this Team” baloney during the Santana trade talks?
    The Red Sox just dropped 3 straight to The Rays last week and 3 of 4 to the Twins Do you hear John Henry blabbing his mouth in the media about the Red Sox players??
    Girardi is a fiery manager. He’s also pretty savvy. If he thinks his team is laying down, I’m sure he’ll address it. I saw a lot of frustration last night – not lack of hustle or lack of enthusiasm. Players, teams go through slumps. Tampa Bay is young and talented, right now they’re a hot Team. Performances by professionals tend to return to their norm, unless injury and age has taken too much of a toll. Things will change..despite Hank’s big fat mouth.

  5. TFC May 14th, 2008 at 6:18 am

    Hope the line-up angry as Moose.

  6. Dante May 14th, 2008 at 6:24 am

    Alot of the guys on the team come off as half hearted. I think they are capable of alot more but it doesnt look like their heart is in it.

  7. Will May 14th, 2008 at 6:26 am

    Who cares about Girardi being soft. What bothers me is he doesn’t do anything…no base stealing, no hit and run and no bunt. If the Yankees were firing on all cyclinders I could understand it, but when the team can barely scratch a run, it’s time to take action. Yesterday alone, the Yankees grounded into several double plays, while the Rays produced the winning run by being aggressive.

    Joe Girardi makes Joe Torre look like Casey Stengel and Billy Martin put together.

  8. Will May 14th, 2008 at 6:28 am

    I am also for Hank spouting off, especially when everything he says makes total sense. If the team can’t handle such mild criticism than maybe they are only collecting checks.

  9. Parrot Guy May 14th, 2008 at 6:40 am

    If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen

  10. V May 14th, 2008 at 6:48 am

    Lol – I’m so sure that Hank’s statement will light a fire under these guys that wasn’t already there.

    They’re not hitting with RISP – oh, they’re not trying hard enough? Puh-lease.

    I WOULD like to see more SBs, hit and runs, heck, a suicide squeeze, but ‘they aren’t trying hard enough’? Bull$&*^.

  11. #1 Mike Francseca supporter May 14th, 2008 at 6:50 am

    by force means mike francesca becomes manager.

  12. LathamJoe May 14th, 2008 at 6:50 am

    NY YANKEES RECORD AS OF 5/14/08 – 19-21
    NY YANKEES RECORD AS OF 5/14/07 – 17-19

    Slumps happen. Losing Streaks happen.
    Sometimes, even losing Seasons happen! WHEN IS THE LAST TIME the NY YANKEES HAD A LOSING SEASON?

    Gosh, I wonder how many “loyal fans” the Yankees would lose with a less than .500 Finish??

  13. Rhapsody in Blue May 14th, 2008 at 6:54 am

    I have no sympathy for anything said about the way this team is playing, Hank is correct, something needs to be said.

    How can we expect the young pitchers to play well with this offense behind them?

    They look and play like a bunch of content millionaires.

  14. Kevin May 14th, 2008 at 6:54 am

    I understand that Hank is part of the ownership group, but can he take a step back and let things play out. If he does not trust certain people to correct the issues have them removed after giving them a chance (I am saying keep Girardi this year and next no matter what and fire Cashman if it comes down to it) instead of vocalizing your issues every other week as it could end of becoming a distraction to the team.

  15. murphydog May 14th, 2008 at 7:00 am

    Hank also said a lot of positive things.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/05.....110724.htm

    But he hit the nail on the head; the lineup is performing like they are waiting for reinforcements.

    Hank referenced the fire and enthusiasm of the young, almost prepubescent Rays. Every Yankee fan saw it last night. There’s a sense that the Yankees are aging opera singers trying to make a hip hop record.

    The “force” Hank spoke of refers to replacing “watchful waiting” with surgery. That could mean a 2009 Cashman-ectomy, but IMO that would seem to fly in the face of the positive comments about the young pitchers and Hank’s appreciation of the need to play more like the young Rays.

    It sounds to me like the Yanks will be creative in the trade market if there is anything that makes sense, and be willing to DFA untradable players who are without a NY future past 2008. (Big G, my brother, I love you buddy, but it might be time to consistently hit into the shift for someone else).

  16. #1 Mike Francseca supporter May 14th, 2008 at 7:00 am

    yankee fans plz stop complaining. i didnt have my francesca-os for breakfeast yet

  17. Dee – Pls bring back IPK and Gonzo! May 14th, 2008 at 7:01 am

    To be honest I agree with what Hank is saying. It’s his delivery that’s wrong.

    The truth is as an owner paying a $200million plus payroll he and his family has every right to expect more. Even factoring out Alex and Posada it’s still a $160million payroll, that’s 4 times more than the team whose own town couldn’t bother to show up at the stadium to support their team but looking about to sweep the Yanks who have the whole New York if not more fans behind them.

  18. Kenneth Keith Kallenbach May 14th, 2008 at 7:04 am

    get ready to ready party like it’s 1990!!

    at least we’ll be rid of the bandwagon jumpers who think Derek Jeter invented the shortstop position and maybe the fatcats will stop driving the secondary ticket market prices and allow average salaried to afford a game once in a while.

  19. JMO May 14th, 2008 at 7:09 am

    im not worried about hank. everybody in the organization can clearly hear what a blowhard he is. hal and the rest of the teams leadership will stop him from doing anything foolish and i think even george will step in on the side or practicality if there is a dispute between hank and the rest of the yankees leadership. its just noise, ignore it.

  20. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 14th, 2008 at 7:13 am

    So…
    This could be good news for Mussina.
    It always seems like right before he goes, hank loses his cool and says something..and then Moose goes out and kicks butt. ;)

    This is frustrating

  21. Y's Guy May 14th, 2008 at 7:14 am

    richard sandomir’s review of bobby murcer’s new book in the times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05.....f=baseball

    it includes this:
    “Obligatory Yogiism from the book: Berra got a call from Mel Stottlemyre asking about Murcer. “Hey Carm!” Berra shouted to his wife. “He wants to know if we’ve heard anything about Bobby’s autopsy down in Houston.” Not autopsy, Yogi, biopsy.”

  22. Amanda from La. May 14th, 2008 at 7:20 am

    I was wondering when the next Steinbrenner comment was going to be made. His comment wasn’t too harsh, we all know that family can say make some crude comments. Hopefully his words spark something in the guys and we get to see a win tonight!

  23. jimmy1138 May 14th, 2008 at 7:20 am

    “By force? What does that mean, executions at dawn for anybody not trying hard enough?”

    Is this truning into the Bill Simmons report? Everyone knows what “by force” means: firing people, spending lots of money for free agents, trading top prospects away for a quick fix.
    Is this a good thing? Rather not but who knows? There might be better GMs out there than Theo-copycat Cashman.

  24. LathamJoe May 14th, 2008 at 7:28 am

    Ya can’t have it both ways, Hank!
    In refusing to give up Hughes, Kennedy, and Melky, for Santana, “Loud Mouth Junior” stressed “patience” because the Yankee Organization has committed to youth.

    Well, the “youth movement” has only partly worked so far this season. Hughes and Kennedy are still learning. The BP has improved significantly with the emergence of Ohlendorf, Bruney (until he was injured), Joba, and now Veras…but no lefty.

    Take out two of your top hitters from ANY Team and the offense will suffer. Add that another one of your best hitters (Cano) is currently batting under .200. The Yankees are lucky to be only 2 games under the “break even” mark.

    Management knew (or should have known) that they needed (a) one more reliable starter to offset the youth and inexperience of their two rookies, (b) a defensively strong first basemen to solidify the infield, and (c) an effective lefty bullpen arm.
    They failed to do any of that. And loudmouth Hank should take the heat for THAT, instead of blaming his players!

  25. Tom May 14th, 2008 at 7:32 am

    You think that was bad, wait until the Mutts sweep us this weekend.

  26. virginislands May 14th, 2008 at 7:33 am

    Come on Yankees. Go out and win the next 2 games and prove to the entire world, once and for all, you ARE a .500 team!

  27. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 14th, 2008 at 7:36 am

    Is 7:35 AM too early to start drinking. I figure I’ll be ready for tonight’s game if I start now.

  28. Doreen May 14th, 2008 at 7:36 am

    I would love to see the Yankees more aggressive on the bases – but they’re really not getting on base at a very good clip to begin with. I would love to see more creativity with regard to making the most of the few occasions where they do have baserunners.

    They seem to be waiting for the right “count” to do things like hit-and-run, stolen bases, bunts, whatever, but their plate discipline seems to be off this season, too, and there are an awful lot of 0-2 counts, aren’t there?

    How could it hurt to try and do things at unconventional, unexpected times? Where’s the harm in putting guys in motion right away? It might not work all the time, or even most of the time, but at least it gives the opposing team something to think about.

    Last night, the Rays player who got the GWH against Mariano said all he was trying to do was hit the ball to move the runner over. The Yankees just seem to be bypassing the simpler aspects of the game, they are pressing, they are frustrated by their inability to get the big hit. Consequently, when you TRY to get the big hit, you come up with nada.

    However, for everyone who is saying they have no heart, they’re not trying, I would ask, what do you want them to do? All you can do as a player is move on to the next at-bat. I suspect what many people want to see is hitters going back to the dugout, taking out water coolers, slamming down bats, throwing gloves, or some other tantrum-like behavior. I would agree that their play is flat right now; I would not agree that they don’t care. Professional athletes are competitive by nature or they wouldn’t have gotten where they are.

  29. virginislands May 14th, 2008 at 7:52 am

    Doreen,

    You are calm rational and insightful as always.

  30. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 14th, 2008 at 7:54 am

    good post Doreen

  31. Russell NY May 14th, 2008 at 7:55 am

    It’s Hanks job to say these things. 1 run in 11 innings against the TAMPA BAY RAYS is pathetic. Pathetic… pathetic.

  32. Yanksrule57 May 14th, 2008 at 7:56 am

    I don’t know Hank Steinbrenner.

    But sometimes when I read these statements, it seems like Hank is parodying George’s pronouncements that he made in his heyday.

    Is he serious? Is this how he saw George act when the team struggled so he is simply copying his management style?

    If I could I would ask Hank; “How did that work for your Dad, and do you think that method is still effective?”

    The answer should be; “It didn’t and no.” But somehow i don’t think that he would respond that way.

  33. Fredo Corleone May 14th, 2008 at 7:57 am

    “All you can do as a player is move on to the next at-bat. I suspect what many people want to see is hitters going back to the dugout, taking out water coolers, slamming down bats, throwing gloves, or some other tantrum-like behavior.”

    I’d actually settle for that next at bat being a professional one. Abreu AB in the 6th with Jeter on 3rd and one out. Up 2-0 in the count he let’s the best pitch he saw in the at bat go for strike one then fails to bring him in? Awful.

    Why not bunt in the 7th with Melky, who is now 14 for his last 62 and now at a Melky-like .270 avg/.331 OBP, following Giambi’s leadoff single???

  34. owlnation May 14th, 2008 at 8:05 am

    Time to dust off the “Big Hook”

    To be honest I think these are fair comments. Slumps happen and all that, but not across an entire offense. Last year was different, there were injuries, there were specific problems. This year we have pitching mostly, but all the bats have been quiet all this season so far. There’s no specific problems, it’s a general problem that is getting worse, not better. Other than last year A-Rod was never that clutch anyway, so his bat gone makes little difference. Jorge is a loss, but he’s one guy.

    The lack of offense has gotta be a managing/coaching issue — sorry, but there’s no other explanation.

    Girardi’s got a lot to learn, I guess he will eventually — but I don’t think it will be this year. He’s too close to these players, and it doesn’t look like he’s motivating them well. And other than changing the line-up at random (and we can all do that) he’s not really calling plays or shaking things up on the field.

    Sure, they all love Kevin Long — but where’s the results?

    I feel so sorry for Wang last night. He SHOULD have been the winner.

    If I were Cashman I’d start printing off some resumes. I think he may need them soon.

  35. Patrick Bateman May 14th, 2008 at 8:07 am

    I think his “by force” line means that he’s not going to let the General Manager go into a season with 3 question marks in the rotation again, even if the General Manager insists on it.

  36. Shirley May 14th, 2008 at 8:08 am

    Now the Yankees can’t even win when Wang pitches well. No wonder Hank is losing his patience and sounds pretty harsh.

  37. Russell NY May 14th, 2008 at 8:12 am

    Prediction for the Mets series:

    0 runs in 7 innings against Santana
    1 run in 8 innings against Perez
    0 runs in 9 innings against Maine

  38. Vrsce May 14th, 2008 at 8:12 am

    Hank has a right to complain.

    The team is not performing.

  39. Fredo Corleone May 14th, 2008 at 8:15 am

    “I feel so sorry for Wang last night. He SHOULD have been the winner.”

    Wang was terrific, but he was the second best starter in that game last night. Jackson was superb and deserved the win even more than Wang.

  40. Russell NY May 14th, 2008 at 8:15 am

    There is no reason you should score so little runs with a lineup that still can look like this:

    Damon, Jeter, Abreu, Matsui, Cano, Giambi, Cabrera

    Those are 7 guys, 5 making more than $10 million, that can’t score more than 1 run in 11 innings? Too frustrating as a fan to watch.

  41. observing May 14th, 2008 at 8:17 am

    Isn’t it time for the Captain to call a players only meeting and have a kick around session with his mates ?
    Maybe he doesn’t have it in him to offend any of them even in a subtle sort of way.
    What ever happened to the resilience that was a staple of the team ? Maybe they’ve morphed into complacency and satisfied with it.

  42. DMan May 14th, 2008 at 8:18 am

    I haven’t been so frustrated watching 2 games in a row in a long time. This was so bad. Lets hope they turn it around in the next couple games.

  43. Alan May 14th, 2008 at 8:25 am

    The biggest impact that Hank can make could come without ever saying a word. Do something obvious like telling Cashman to DFA Giambi and not be concerned about the money part of it. The shakeup factor. It can’t possibly worsen the team.

  44. nemo May 14th, 2008 at 8:25 am

    Scott and owlnation (except for blaming the management) have hit the nail on the head.

    I see no fire from this team. I see no desire to play. I said this last night… if what has been happening to the Yankees lately happened on my high school team, stuff would be flying in the locker room. Our coach would be chewing our butts off for the way we played and let our pitching down. It’s pathetic. It should be a private bashing, but if it’s not happening in the club house, then I’m glad to see Hank get on their asses, because frankly.. he’s 100% right.

    There are no more excuses for this team. Whoever keeps making excuses is just fooling themself. Sure, the team will (hopefully) turn around, but as of now, they’re playing like crap and they should be told they are. A-Rod and Posada are not responsible for what the other 7 batters on the team do. It’s a sad, sad, day when the Yankees can’t come back from a 1-0 game.

    By using them as another excuse for the complete absence of offense, it only puts THAT MUCH MORE PRESSURE on them to perform when they come back. That isn’t going to help.

  45. const May 14th, 2008 at 8:27 am

    looks like everyone shares hank’s sentiments.

    shame on you pete-abe for trying to exploit this.

  46. Y's Guy May 14th, 2008 at 8:32 am

    i have been all over this team for weeks about how terribly this roster was put together and now everbody’s on the bandwagon, so its time for me to go the other way.
    you cant ask guys to do what they dont do well, this roster has nobody who knows how to bunt, nobody who can pinch run, nobody who can play defense at 1b or LF in late inning situations, and has never been concearned with unproductive outs. now everybody wants bunts and steals, runners moved over etc. THIS IS NOT THAT TEAM! it could have been that team, had we done the right things and kept some role players (dougie m, gardener) and let the dead weight go (ensburg, betamit, duncan), but that wasnt done, so you cant ask a team to be a different team than it was built to be. cash built a team that either bashes you to death or gets killed and now with arod and posada out, they’re getting killed. but there is not really anything this team can do about it.
    get used to it, because even after they get healthy and start mashing (and they will) and force thier way into the post season (and they will) the inability to score on the best pitchers, the inability to manufacture runs and the horrible defense will bounce them out in the 1st round again.

  47. Doreen May 14th, 2008 at 8:32 am

    virginislands -

    Admittedly, it’s a lot easier to be rational in the cool light of a new day. :)

  48. Fredo Corleone May 14th, 2008 at 8:32 am

    “Do something obvious like telling Cashman to DFA Giambi and not be concerned about the money part of it.”

    Good idea. Disregard the fact that the team is struggling offensively and DFA the team leader in homers and #2 RBI man. Nevermind his OPS is better than Jeter’s, Cano’s, Cabrera’s, Abreu’s, etc. Nevermind they have no MLB level 1B on the team to fill Giambi’s spot.

    Brilliant.

  49. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 14th, 2008 at 8:34 am

    Good Post Pete….starts some good back and forth. Bottom line is that Hank is PO’d like many NYY fans and hopefully players, managers and coaches are PO’d that we are finding ways to lose games in, what seems to be, more and more new and frustrating ways. I don’t care what the standings say,,,these are the RAYS….they get paid like 20% of what we do and they OWN the Yankees so far this year ? THAT in and of itself is pathetic. Good thing that Boston stinks too, so far. I will keep believing that WE turn it around before they do….although after the last 2 games against the mighty RAYS, that just makes me look the silly man, right ? :-(

  50. Bronxbyte May 14th, 2008 at 8:37 am

    Not too long ago the things that infuriated George the most was lackadaisical play and losing to Boston, Tampa Bay, and the Mets. With George’s high standing in the Tampa Bay area, it was the embarrassment of losing to the Rays that would torture him.
    Not many know who Stuart Sternberg is but the entire area knows who George Steinbrenner is.
    Any losing to the Mets at the Stadium this weekend could set Hank off.

  51. Russell NY May 14th, 2008 at 8:40 am

    Can we put Damon at first and bring up Austin Jackson or Brett Gardner?

  52. Matt May 14th, 2008 at 8:40 am

    By force? Wow talk about a straight up threat to Cash.

  53. jennifer May 14th, 2008 at 8:43 am

    Last night someone asked if he has said anything or something to that effect. His responce was it stays in the clubhouse, so it wouldn’t shock me if he went off on the team, but doesn’t want the media to be aware of it.

    I don’t see how any of this is his fault. His team is not hitting, what is he supposed to do? YOu can’t bench Jeter, or Bobby etc.

    It is very frustrating to watch the team get shut down by a bunch of scrubs. You can’t keep saying well he pitched well. Yeah he pitched well cause you can’t hit worth **.

  54. Sal May 14th, 2008 at 8:43 am

    This team may want to reach the 21-29 mark and take it as a challenge to see if they can put it together and exceed what the 2007 team did for rebounding and go even further in the playoffs without bugs etc. in the way of success.

  55. Fredo Corleone May 14th, 2008 at 8:44 am

    Austin Jackson is doing reasonably well in AA, but he’s probably not big league ready til 2010.

    Gardner hitting around .220 in his last 10 games and the early pop he showed was a mirage, but he’s still getting on base at a decent clip and is stealing some bases again after recovering from an early ankle injury. Honestly don’t think this lineup is better without Giambi right now though.

  56. nemo May 14th, 2008 at 8:45 am

    @ Y’s Guy: Great points. I think the whole post-season point you made was a given, except to those who refuse to admit the obvious.

  57. Russell NY May 14th, 2008 at 8:46 am

    Santana, Perez, Maine – the Mets are looking to embarass us. At least we don’t have to put up with a Santana v Wang duel – where the Yankees score 0 runs in 52 innings against Santana with Wang taking the loss.

  58. Fredo Corleone May 14th, 2008 at 8:47 am

    “It is very frustrating to watch the team get shut down by a bunch of scrubs.”

    Jenn, with Arod and Posada out, the Rays had superior players to the Yankees at C, 1B, 3B, LF and CF. The Rays are no longer scrubs.

  59. trisha - I believe in ultimate domination by the NYY! May 14th, 2008 at 8:51 am

    I love Hank. I love his motivational speeches. I loved it when George would spout off. Usually after something like that, all of a sudden the team would wake up. They were definitely afraid of George for the most part. Whether or not they react the same way to Hank, time will tell.

    Is it just coincidence that Mike Mussina started pitching lights out right after Hank took him to the woodshed? I think not.

    I’m all for tough love. IF there is any lethargy on this team, Hank’s speech just might eradicate it.

  60. trisha - I believe in ultimate domination by the NYY! May 14th, 2008 at 8:53 am

    Fredo absolutely. Anyone calling the Rays scrubs has not been watching the Rays. They do everything right.

  61. Jax May 14th, 2008 at 8:53 am

    Hank has yet to meet a microphone he didn’t like. I said this last night that he just likes to talk too much. Even if there’s noting important to say. He says whatever is on his mind just because a reporter calls him up wanting answers.
    Look at the pass off-season. If you read the newspapers it seemed there was a Hank comment every day. Even if it had nothing to do with baseball. He talked about buying a soccer team-like someone cares. Talked about the Giants SB win……

  62. george May 14th, 2008 at 8:54 am

    Hank’s pretty tame compared to Big George. in the bad old days, George would’ve fired Kevin Long and/or called someone a “fat pussy toad” or something.

  63. trisha - I believe in ultimate domination by the NYY! May 14th, 2008 at 8:54 am

    I predict the Yanks will take the next two games.

    But I thought that before Hank’s speech. I’m thinking the embarrassment factor alone might be a motivator.

  64. trisha - I believe in ultimate domination by the NYY! May 14th, 2008 at 8:55 am

    The Rays are playing like the Angels used to play.

    Not good. (For us I mean)

  65. Doreen May 14th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    Fredo -

    I agree with you; the Rays are not scrubs. For the last couple of seasons, they’re offense (mostly speed) has given the Yankees fits. However, the Yankees were able to exploit a weak bullpen and an inconsisten pitching staff to beat them.

    Nowadays, look at their pitchers! It is not just the Yankees that they are beating. This time it is not a case of, well, he just pitched a good game this time. They are good pitchers. Now, perhaps the second time through the league they will not be overpowering, but for now, they are doing very well (understatement). So combine effective starting pitching with a strengthened bullpen, plus speedy runners (which also strengthens their defense, cutting down the number of gap-hits), and now add some confidence, and you’ve got a great recipe for success.

    Will it last? Only time will tell. But you can’t say the Yankees are losing to scrubs anymore. Same address, different resident these days. (They even changed their name!)

  66. William Buckner May 14th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    The was bigger news then Hanks comments.

    Did anyone see the comments from the Tampa Times.
    “Not to be out done by Goose Gossage, Brent Abernathy took exception to the celebration by Jonny Gomes in last nights 2-1 11th inning victory over the Yankees. Abernathy, star of the Devil Rays for 96-00 was embarrassed with Gomes show of emotion after stealing a base off closer Mariano Rivera and later scoring the game winning run off a single from Gabe Gross. ‘Showing emotion is not the Rays way. Pumping a fist after a steal or throwing your helmet after you score. We didn’t do that when I was here.’”

    I think we have a brewing controversy with the 1st place Rays.

  67. Glenn May 14th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    There’s no telling what Hank would have said if not for Boston also stinking up the AL East but it also comes to mind the ground that could have been gained through all this misery.
    The Rays are expected to come back to earth but they are a team to be taken seriously from now on. They may not put rumps in seats at Tropicana but as a team they are jelling. For the first time in their history they have legitimate pitching and the hitting to match.

  68. Doreen May 14th, 2008 at 8:58 am

    **that’s “THEIR” offense, not they’re. My fingers are faster than my brain this morning!

  69. Jonathon May 14th, 2008 at 8:59 am

    Predictable…whoever thought that Hankee was going to be a positive and calming influence on the team was kidding themselves.

    This guy is going to ruin this team’s future, and I suppose it’s his right to since his family owns it.

    It won’t be long before he’s hiring a shady gambler/detective to dig up dirt on A. Rod so he can blackmail him with it.

    “By force if we have to”….sheesh, gimme a break.

  70. JMO May 14th, 2008 at 9:00 am

    i have been a supporter of brian cashman for years but looking at this team, i have come to realize that its time for him to go. if there was ever a team that needed to make a trade (even the addition-by-subtraction kind) or a bold move made to shake things up (like releasing igawa and ensberg) this is that team. but cash seems to think things are going fine or that nothing can be done.
    i also like girardi, and i do not blame him in the least for whats going on, but id sure like to see him channel lou pinella and throw a major fit on the field or in the clubhouse to shake things up.

  71. jennifer May 14th, 2008 at 9:00 am

    Um I think I made it pretty clear I was referring to the pitching. We did hold the Rays to 2 runs last night. We should have beaten them even with Alex and Jorge out.

  72. bigpopp May 14th, 2008 at 9:03 am

    Where is Captain Intagibles when you need him? I mean, if you arent going to hit (other than 2 out singles to keep the average hovering at .300) and you cant field, what good are you? Isn’t it the job of the captian to take control of the situation? I mean, why even name him captain then?

  73. Jonathon May 14th, 2008 at 9:04 am

    For the first time in their history they have legitimate pitching and the hitting to match.

    And how long did that take? Patience is everything in this game. You can’t ‘force’ anything. The Yankees have been trying to ‘force’ their way to a championship since 2002 and where has it gotten them?

    Hankee needs to let this organization rebuild itself without his interference. It’s on the right path but there’s going to be growing pains. You have to live with them if you want to be successful in the future.

  74. Doreen May 14th, 2008 at 9:04 am

    Jennifer -

    Yes, they definitely should have been able to score 2 runs in 9 innings, even without ARod and Posada.

  75. ellen May 14th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    Doreen – you’re absolutely right. The other night, people were claiming that the Rays were basically a flash-in-the-pan, that they would fade as the season wears on. That might prove true; the problem is, we’re playing them now, when they look young and enthusiastic and energetic and we look flat as a pancake. Hmmm, I think I need breakfast!!

  76. JMO May 14th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    1) who the hell is brett abernathy?
    2) there’s a ‘ray’s way’ of doing things??!!!??
    3) go away old men

  77. bigpopp May 14th, 2008 at 9:07 am

    If I were the yankees I would cut Giambi tomorrow just to make a point…

  78. Y's Guy May 14th, 2008 at 9:09 am

    jeter is playing on a bad quad, which is not getting any better with him playing everyday. being a leader also means playing hurt (and not saying a word about it) and knowing when you can do something and when you cant. our captain is doing just fine.

  79. Glenn May 14th, 2008 at 9:09 am

    In past years the Rays would have a token player (usually Carl Crawford) to represent the team according to All Star rules of every team having a representative.
    The Rays could easily have James Shields, Carl Crawford, and B.J. Upton on the team this year.

  80. Jonathon May 14th, 2008 at 9:10 am

    JMO–what would releasing Morgan Ensberg and Kei Igawa do for this team?

    Someone has to play third, someone has to start every 5th day.

    Yankees have lost 2 key offensive playersto injury (one of them the best offensive player in the league) and are still only 4.5 games out of 1st on May 14th.

    How would releasing marginal players change the team’s attitude and performance? So Wilson Betemit steps in as the everyday 3rd baseman and they Yanks cruise to a World Series title?

  81. Paul May 14th, 2008 at 9:10 am

    Hank: Yanks Tank
    Jeter: No hits neither
    Mo: What, no Score?
    Jorge: my arm? no way!
    Abreu? boo hoo hoo
    Girardi? wheres my bacqardi?
    Wang? team has no fangs
    Giambino: I’d rather be in Reno
    Cano: out of the flow
    Johnny Damon- can’t we just play, man?
    Shelly: Whats that smelly?
    Alex- better take an exlax
    Matsui- the team went kablooie
    Moose- I’m sick of the excuses

  82. NYSuperFan May 14th, 2008 at 9:10 am

    I have to agree with him. This team needs to get in gear.

  83. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 9:11 am

    Anyone else get the feeling Hank has the fire and win now attitude his father had, including the unreasonable expectaions and demands, but with far less intelligence?

  84. JMO May 14th, 2008 at 9:12 am

    bigpopp,
    how’s your captain doing?

    .255, which is really good for him so i guess you’re right, our captain stinks but yours is really leading your team in its time of need.

  85. William Buckner May 14th, 2008 at 9:12 am

    JMO,
    I was making this up. abernathy was a ray was back who was pretty awful. Im kind of tired of the gossage nonsense. The yankees franchises most famous moment is babe ruth calling a shot. Can you show someone up worse?

    Also sick of hank. The team is stumbling, but no one is running away. Making threats does nothing. Didnt work last year in PS when his dad did it. The efforts there. Guys are busting it and the defense has shown focus.

    People under estimate how much not having Arod and Posada hurt a lineup. They are both run scorers and producers. They take pitches and work a pitchers count. Molina does neither. AG is doing an ok job, both is more a utility guy.

    When they come around, it will make it more rewarding to have suffered through this.

  86. Nick May 14th, 2008 at 9:13 am

    “If I were the yankees I would cut Giambi tomorrow just to make a point…”

    He would be the likely choice if that’s what was decided to shake thing up. He has no future with the Yankees whatsoever. He’s well aware of it.

  87. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 9:13 am

    “If I were the yankees I would cut Giambi tomorrow just to make a point…”

    cut him now, now that he finally started hitting? Sure, why not waste $25M………

  88. JMO May 14th, 2008 at 9:14 am

    jonathon, releasing ensberg and igawa opens roster spots for the type of role players we need to spark us and sends a signal that we’re not carrying dead weight, it also shakes up the clubhouse and bench. it worked quite well for the mets last night. gozalez can play 3b for the next week.

  89. V May 14th, 2008 at 9:17 am

    Man, what a bunch of spoiled brats Yankees fans are.

    I hate to say it, but part of me is hoping for three years of sub .500 ball so you morons can go away.

    Really, they aren’t trying hard enough? Really? You have to be f-ing kidding me if you honestly believe that.

    They’re TWO BEST HITTERS are out of the lineup. Their THIRD BEST HITTER is hitting .500 pace with that sort of lack of production.

    The Rays are not the Rays of three years ago, where a crappy journeyman starter goes out for two innings, bombs, and a crappy journeyman reliever is forced to take five innings of lumps, with crappy journeyman players and one or two good young players on the field.

    Crawford, Upton, Longoria – you’d be lying (or stupid) if you said you wouldn’t one or more of those guys on your team.

    Ditto for Kazmir, Shields, Garza – and Edwin Jackson seems like he’s finally ‘figuring it out’ (he’s currently in that Oliver Perez flip a coin, dominant starter or crappy starter phase – but his dominant starts show what he’s capable of).

  90. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    I love how people think there’s something Cashman can do right now on the trade market. It’s May 14th. Most teams haven’t given up on their seasons yet. No-one’s making trades, in case you haven’t noticed that there has been zero trade news since the season started.

  91. V May 14th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    “Anyone else get the feeling Hank has the fire and win now attitude his father had, including the unreasonable expectaions and demands, but with far less intelligence?”

    :tup:

    And fat lot of good that ‘win now attitude’ did for the 80s/early 90s.

  92. V May 14th, 2008 at 9:19 am

    Ok, that came out wrong (a phrase got deleted):

    Their TWO BEST HITTERS are out of the lineup. Their THIRD BEST HITTER is hitting under 200 – NO team can play a better than .500 pace with that sort of lack of production.

  93. Scorpio May 14th, 2008 at 9:19 am

    I don’t blame Hank at all. In fact, I hope he screams louder. This team is sad.

    Yesterday’s game revealed how dismal the Yank bats are. Can’t even manufacture a measly run?

  94. Fran May 14th, 2008 at 9:21 am

    Hank has a right to say what he wants. I think it is a warning to Cashman as much as the players.

    The Yankees do look flat. They are not trying to work counts. They are giving the opposing pitchers too many easy innings.
    Last night in particular, the Yankees had their chances early on to score some runs which makes it all the more frustrating.

  95. Y's Guy May 14th, 2008 at 9:21 am

    i think igawa gets dfa’d today or tomorrow, whenever they can bring kennedy up. by promoting cox to scranton (with horne and karstens about to come back, too) there is no room for igawa at scranton, with melancon coming up to trenton, there is no room for him there. and is there any point to keeping him? he will never succeeed in the majors.

  96. EricVA May 14th, 2008 at 9:22 am

    Sorry but this would be my plan:

    Trade Igawa to the Padres for a low level prospect. Trade Betemit to anybody for a AA-AAA lefty bullpen arm. Send Duncan back down to AAA. Keep Gonzalez up as a backup (his hitting isn’t going to improve any by keeping him in AAA). Send down Veras, Britton or Edwar and try out that lefty we just traded for.

    Now you have Gonzalez backing up the middle infield, Ensberg backing the corners. Betemit and Duncan have no role anyway (especially if they can’t come off the bench and pinch hit).

    There’s no other quick fix. The outfield has been the highlight of the team and you aren’t changing ARod, Jeter or Cano. Giambi has been hitting well lately and seems to be driving balls deep to left-center often.

  97. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 9:23 am

    Not blaming Hank for anything. My point is that he’s trying to be the hot head his Dad was (for better or worse), but he’s even less intelligent with his rants…..

    I’m all for someone giving whatever kick in the pants or spark of energy or whatever it is that this team needs. In reality, it’s probably more about age than desire. Yell all you want, it’s not gonna make anyone any younger.

  98. Mark May 14th, 2008 at 9:23 am

    Bunch of high-priced losers! Hank has the right to rip into them.

  99. SJ44 May 14th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    I find it funny that fans can vent, say whatever they want, and its “their right”.

    When one of the owners of team do it, he’s “out of line”.

    If he can’t do it, what’s the point of owning the team?

    Hank didn’t say anything fans haven’t thought or said in the last week or so.

  100. Scorpio May 14th, 2008 at 9:27 am

    Please, give me a break. I love how some fans think they have a right to call others “spoiled”.

    Our ace puts up only one run over 7 innings and a line-up sprinkled with All-Stars and proficient hitters can’t even produce a single run. Blame A-Rod & Po?? Give me a break.
    Good thing they were in a dome or the “true fans” will be blaming the weather.

    Get off the horse, this is a message board, people vent and voice opinion here.

  101. Y's Guy May 14th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    i love how ppl always say there are not trades available out there. have you called all 29 gm’s or did you have someone else do it for you?

    remember how the diamondbacks got haren and eveyone said what a joke, they way overpaid for him?

    remember how everyone said that the marlins would want a king’s ransom to give up miguel cabrera (all they really wanted was one guy plus take dontrell’s contract)?

    its always the same, speculating that trades cant be made then all of a sudden someone (else) makes a good one everybody says ‘well thats a stupid move’ or ‘ they way overpaid for that guy’
    tell the dbacks that they way overpaid for haren while he and webb are out there channeling shill and randy of 2001.

  102. Jax May 14th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    I agree with you Chris. I think it’s a little bit of an act and he is trying to be too much like his father. Also don’t think he’s much of a baseball expert despite some of the quotes in the papers.
    Hank and Hal are more into football then baseball.

    Whoever said this is a warning or something to Cashman…..please! As if it’s Cashman’s fault the team isn’t hitting.

  103. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    “If he can’t do it, what’s the point of owning the team?”

    I agree. I just find it funny sometimes the way things come out of his mouth. Seems forced to me, like he’s trying too hard to be like his Dad, or like he’s just less intelligent.

    “By force..,” “next year..” When would his Dad talk about waiting till next year to fix it? They can certainly wield their power as owners, but what force? Start threatening not to pay people if YOU don’t think they’re trying to hard, and see how many people are going to want to play for you……..

  104. TurnTwo May 14th, 2008 at 9:33 am

    i dont understand why the Padres would want Igawa… they have pitching, they need offense just as much as the Yankees do.

    The only way they take Igawa was if you agree to piggyback them an OF, prob Matsui (who would have to waive his no-trade to do so).

  105. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    “have you called all 29 gm’s or did you have someone else do it for you?”

    No, I’ve simply noticed that I haven’t heard of ONE single trade since the season began and I’ve watched baseball before and noticed that there rarely are many, if ANY, trades this early in the season.

  106. JohnC May 14th, 2008 at 9:35 am

    One thing Girardi can do is try to force the issue, like the Rays do. Try and steal, hit and run, bunt. I see none of that. Last night, 1st and 3rd and 1 out. Why not send Cano to stay out of the DP? Why not let Gonzo try a squeeze bunt? This team is hurting for runs, gotta try anything to score there.

  107. SJ44 May 14th, 2008 at 9:35 am

    There is no trade market on May 14. Nor is there a trade market for the Igawa’s, Betemit’s (whose on the DL, BTW), etc.

    In other words, nobody wants the Yankee scrubs and nobody will give you gold for them.

    There is one way for this team to improve. Play better.

    Its that simple.

    If you think teams are interested in old, past their prime, expensive players, you know nothing about the current state of the game.

    Teams are going AWAY from that strategy, not to it.

    If this keeps up, the Yankees will do what they have done every year since 2005. Call up another young player or two from within and see if that lights a fire within the team.

    That’s their only possible solution at this time of the season.

    Its not a coincidence guys like Cox and Melancon are being aggressively promoted within the system. They are setting the table for Joba’s transition to the rotation.

    If I’m someone like Brett Gardner, I hope I have a hot streak in me right now. Two good weeks of baseball could get me a promotion.

    When you look at this team objectively, and look at realistic solutions from within, he’s the only position player who could possibly be considered for a callup.

    Austin Jackson and Jose Tabata aren’t even close to being ML ready.

    Gardner gives the Yankees something they lack. Speed.

    The problem is, he’s struggling in AAA right now.

    Hopefully, Arod gets back soon. That’s a start.

    But, if Cano and Giambi continue to hit under .200, Jeter shows no pop with his bat, and Damon and Abreu continue to sleepwalk through games, you could have Billy Beane as your GM, there isn’t a damn thing that can be done.

  108. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 9:36 am

    I don’t know why anyone else would want Igawa either… We probably lost our shot at unloaded him last year.

  109. Y's Guy May 14th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    well, chris, apparently you have had your head buried this week while the mariners and reds are working on moving a big money contract (griffey) right now.
    and this is exactly the type of deal the yankees would be looking for, one where they unload a talented but heavily paid player for prospects while paying off a big chunk of the money owed him)

  110. TurnTwo May 14th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    people say there arent trades available because traditionally, GMs dont move players off of their roster until they’ve determined their team cant win that particular year, and May is just too early to tell a team’s fan base that you’ve given up already.

    so yea, if you decided you were going to really overpay for a player, a GM might bite this early, but the chances are slim to none.

  111. fridayjones May 14th, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Watching this series, it’s clear who the better team is. Tampa Bay has its young pitching maturing at the right time, with a balanced lineup. The Yankees, even if they had their full complement, are older, inconsistent, poor defensively and have absolutely zero speed. Their starting pitching is suspect and will go through some more growing pains this season.

    We saw a potential playoff team in last night’s game. It just so happens that it wasn’t the Yankees.

  112. Ian May 14th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    I wouldn’t say Gardner is struggling right now.

  113. V May 14th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    “well, chris, apparently you have had your head buried this week while the mariners and reds are working on moving a big money contract (griffey) right now.
    and this is exactly the type of deal the yankees would be looking for, one where they unload a talented but heavily paid player for prospects while paying off a big chunk of the money owed him)”

    Um, do you think that maybe, um, there’s something else to that? Like the part where Griffey was drafted and played for the Mariners for the long time?

    The Mariners stink – they have no shot at the playoffs – this trade would be to put fans in the seats, nothing else.

  114. Adam W May 14th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    I have to disagree Pete. I am all for Hank yapping away. This team is too good and too costly to put up 1 or 2 runs a night. Yeah, I know, A Rod and Jorge are out. I get it.

    Hank has every right to be upset. These guys aren’t performing and the frustrations that have built up over the past few years are adding fuel to his fire.

    Pitching is not and has not been the problem this year. Jeter with 1 hr, Giambi basically sucking, and the lack of bench has been the problem.

    I do think it will get worse before it gets better. Starting with the Yanks failing to make the playoffs this year, Cash leaving at the end of the year, and either Hughes or Kennedy being the next Yankees future Hall of Famer to be a bust.

    Sorry to be so negative, but I think Hank is right.

  115. SJ44 May 14th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    Y’s,

    Here’s the problem with your statement:

    1. Those were off-season trades. Its a completely different animal. You don’t see those type of in-season trades. Mainly because with the wild card, almost every team has a shot and they aren’t making those kind of in-season moves.

    2. Those two deals involved multiple, high end prospects, for younger, all star calibur players.

    Let’s examine both deals. The Tigers thought they were paying 152 million dollars for a 10 year third baseman and a solid #2 starter.

    What they got instead was a DH and a guy who can no longer throw the ball over the plate. They gave up their 2 best prospects and a third (Badenhop) who could help them right now.

    Dave Dombrowski will never admit it but, he’d love to have that deal back right now. That deal made the Tigers worse, not better.

    Haren? That’s a classic win, win trade. Both teams gained on it. But, that means you have to have YEARS of losing to amass the prospects the D’backs had to make that trade.

    I don’t think Yankee fans want that.

    Big in season trades just don’t happen anymore. They especially don’t happen in May for the reasons described above.

  116. V May 14th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    “Please, give me a break. I love how some fans think they have a right to call others “spoiled”.

    Our ace puts up only one run over 7 innings and a line-up sprinkled with All-Stars and proficient hitters can’t even produce a single run. Blame A-Rod & Po?? Give me a break.
    Good thing they were in a dome or the “true fans” will be blaming the weather.

    Get off the horse, this is a message board, people vent and voice opinion here.”

    They lost. Tough $&@^.

    You whiners sound all the same.

  117. JMO May 14th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    apparently someone forgot to tell the reds and mariners that trades arent made in may.

  118. Skinnyhead May 14th, 2008 at 9:43 am

    Quote:
    Kenneth Keith Kallenbach
    May 14th, 2008 at 7:04 am
    get ready to ready party like it’s 1990!!

    at least we’ll be rid of the bandwagon jumpers who think Derek Jeter invented the shortstop position and maybe the fatcats will stop driving the secondary ticket market prices and allow average salaried to afford a game once in a while.
    ***********************************************************

    Amen to what this guy said!!

  119. V May 14th, 2008 at 9:44 am

    “Haren? That’s a classic win, win trade. Both teams gained on it. But, that means you have to have YEARS of losing to amass the prospects the D’backs had to make that trade.”

    And I’ll remind people – the A’s GOT Haren (and Barton and Calero) for Mark Mulder.

    The Cardinals weren’t as big on Haren as the Yankees are on Hughes. Despite the 2006 Series, I don’t think a single Cardinals fan thinks that was a good trade.

  120. Jeremy May 14th, 2008 at 9:45 am

    The idea that a “youth movement” is costing us wins is ridiculous. We are not scoring runs. The lineup doesn’t have a single rookie regular. We’re suffering from Giambi and Cano’s slumps and ARod and Posada’s absence. Jeter and Abreu have been merely adequate so far. None of these players is untested. Matsui is the only hitter in the lineup who could be called imposing.

    Ensberg and Molina are easy outs, but that shouldn’t be surprising. They are backups. They are not meant to be playing every day.

    What could Cashman have done differently? Which hitter should he have moved? Giambi and his $26 million remaining? Cano, one of the top 2Bs in baseball? How could Cashman have fixed the team’s inability to hit with RISP?

    The game plan for this team was to compensate for the unreliability of rookie pitching with offense. On day 1, the lineup looked awesome. Now it’s full of holes. I can understand why Hank’s angry: this team should be scoring 5+ runs a game to bail out lousy starters. Instead it’s chronically unable to come from behind or knock out opposing starters. It’s frustrating and there’s no better explanation for it than injuries, slumps, and bad luck.

    The good news is that injuries heal, slumps end, and good luck eventually replaces bad.

  121. V May 14th, 2008 at 9:45 am

    “apparently someone forgot to tell the reds and mariners that trades arent made in may.”

    “Um, do you think that maybe, um, there’s something else to that? Like the part where Griffey was drafted and played for the Mariners for the long time?

    The Mariners stink – they have no shot at the playoffs – this trade would be to put fans in the seats, nothing else.”

  122. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 14th, 2008 at 9:45 am

    11 game winning streak starts tonight !…WHO’S WITH ME ?…STAY POSITIVE….fight the bad thoughts !…LOVE YOUR YANKEES…..GO…FIGHT….WIN ! ( dang, there goes another pom-pom out the window again ! ) :-)

  123. i love bobby murcer! May 14th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    never wear white after labor day
    never eat oysters in months that have an r
    never make trades in may (wait till your team is totally dead in the water before attempting to improve it)

  124. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 14th, 2008 at 9:47 am

    “There is one way for this team to improve. Play better.”
    .
    Amen to THAT, brother !!!
    .
    :-)

  125. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    “well, chris, apparently you have had your head buried this week while the mariners and reds are working on moving a big money contract (griffey) right now.
    and this is exactly the type of deal the yankees would be looking for, one where they unload a talented but heavily paid player for prospects while paying off a big chunk of the money owed him)”

    I’ll concede that I forgot about those trade talks, but I don’t see who would take Giambi and his $25M with what he’s shown so far. He seems to have turned the corner and may have a good or at least decent year. but a $25M year? I don’t think so, do you??

    The bottom line is everytime things aren’t going well people scream for a trade. You asked me if I’ve called the other 29 GM’s to see if they’ll make a trade. Have you?? What magical trade is out there that Cashman is ignoring?

  126. Paul May 14th, 2008 at 9:50 am

    never eat oysters in months that have an r

    best oyster I ever had was in Quincy Market

  127. Ian May 14th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    Also let’s not forget that many teams are to fond of dealing with the Yankees. They tend to hold up the Yankees more than they would other teams. Especially Beane.

  128. Ian May 14th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    Are not too fond of dealing with the Yankees I mean.

  129. i love bobby murcer! May 14th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    yes, to move giambi or matsui or igawa you have to eat alot of contract dollas. so you’re saying its the money thats keeping us from improving?

  130. Bryan May 14th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    The pitchers are young and the hitters have all gotten old at once. It’s happened before, in ’65, going from the series to under .500. Everyone says A-Rod is injured, but he wasn’t doing so well when he was playing, at .286 with a .495 SLG. Cano, with is 82 walks in more than 1700 at bats, simply can’t control the strike zone well enough to have along career. Not only is he hitting .183 (last in the AL), but his OBP is .237 – dead last in the league. He is also dead last in OPS. Giambi has the second worst BA in the AL. Damon and Matsui are doing well, but how long will that last? They are each 34. The only guys regularly starting on the team who are under 30 are Cano and Melky, and Melky has yet to have a slugging average as high as .400 for a whole season. I think that later this year, we’ll look back at this as being “the good old days.”

  131. CB May 14th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    If people want to believe that the team is playing badly because they don’t care, lack hear, etc. or that Girardi is “soft” or not being creative enough, so be it.

    But it’s really not possible to say whether the team looking flat is the cause of their poor offensive production or the result of their poor offensive production.

    Baseball is a game of one hitter coming up and facing a pitcher in a discrete event. If the hitters don’t get on base and that’s happening up and down the line up the team will inevitably look “flat.” The manager will always look bad, like he’s not doing enough.

    We’ve seen this all before – in terms of results this season is eerily similar to the start of last season.

    Last season many people wanted Abreu DFA’d and Cano sent down to AAA to punish him for his lack of heart.

    IMO this isn’t an issue of the team “not trying.” In order to hit the baseball you have to have a balanced combination of concentration and relaxation.

    If anything the issue with this team is that they press and “try too hard” – that’s why they tend to have bad at bats when they are going poorly.

    Baseball’s not like football where you can make big adjustments in terms of personnel on the field, new schemes, etc.

    There isn’t much Girardi can do right now just as there wasn’t much Torre could do last year to when the team collectively wasn’t hitting. The main thing he can do is to probably keep the team as loose as possible and focused on the fact that they’ve all hit before and will start hitting again.

    That doesn’t mean they can afford to wait for ARod (never mind posada).

    It just means that at this point of the season they only thing that is going to help them is for them to trust their natural abilities and execute at the plate.

    There’s no magic bullet of making trades, DFA’ing guys, manager yelling at them, etc. which is going to change this.

    It’s up to the players to execute at the plate. Besides Giambi there’s no player on the team who looks like he’s finished.

    They’re playing very poorly. They need to play their way out of it. Fortunately, no one has run away from the pack like Boston did last year.

  132. Jeremy May 14th, 2008 at 9:56 am

    So we trade Giambi. Who do we get to play first? Duncan?

    If we acquire a Mientkiewicz-like stopgap somehow, we would have even less production from first than we do now. At least Giambi walks and hits the occasional HR.

    You might have heard of an impending free agent 1B named Teixeira. Call me crazy but I think the Yankees would rather have 1B open next year so they can make an aggressive move for Teixeira than lock up the position by trading for some mediocrity. I know, it’s a nutty idea.

  133. rodg12 May 14th, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Real disappointed in you Pete. You gave us just part of the comments – the ones that look bad and play it off like Hank was only bashing the Yanks. When you read everything he actually said, you’ll see he offered a lot of praise to guys as well. Also, nothing he said negatively isn’t true. This team has to score more runs and it does appear that many nights they don’t play with a ton of fire. I mean, do they have a single comeback win all year? I don’t remember one, at least not one in the late innings. Yankees teams used to thrive off that.

  134. paulie wouldnt take this lying down.... May 14th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    there’s plenty of blame to go around and i dont want to jump all over one guy but the guy we really needed to come through while arod and posada are convelescing is cano. he just signed for big dollars and aside from needing him b/c of the injuries, we need him to become the #3 hitter b/c its likely abreu is gone. (dont see him signing for less than 4 yrs)
    definatly cant put it all on one guy, but he is really hurting the team right now.

  135. stuart May 14th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    now we are at the they are not trying point!!!!!!

    yeah these guys with no ego’s want to be embarrased because they do not care and are rich so nothing matters, be real.

    hank is just like his big mouth dad spouting nonsense thinking baseball is football.

    brute force does not work in baseball.

    Ynkee fans are just as stupid as fans in general, not suprising.. Yeah Girarid is soft, why don’t they hire a General to run the team!!!!!Classic….

    Giambi is making $21 mill not $26..the good news is that slug is gone in 4 months and abreu will be done this yr. SJ still like abreu the jelly legger against lefties and the guy who has a fear of walls??? that is $37 mill. adios at the end of the yr.

    the yanks woes are simple; cano, giambi, jeter, damon, abreu, are not playing near there potential.. it is that simple..5 guys in the lineup not playing to plan and 2 starters are hurt….

  136. paulie wouldnt take this lying down.... May 14th, 2008 at 10:00 am

    move out one giambi and sign another (tex). he will get 6 yrs and huge money from someone and im praying its not the yankees.

  137. William Buckner May 14th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    CB,
    Your a stat guy right?
    What the number of pitches/plate appearance for molina vs posada or Betimitt vs. Arod? Same as OBP.

    My contention is that the offense has lacked some guys who typically have long AB, work starters, and turn over a lineup.

    Add those two to the mix, pitchers will take a diff approach to our lineup.

    Magic bullet is true. No trades to be made and few players to promote. This team need to play closer to abilities.

  138. EricVA May 14th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    SJ-

    I don’t want “gold” for Igawa or Betemit, but getting something is better than cutting them. Plus there’s always a trade market for a lefty starter. Some pitching coach in the league will swear he can fix Igawa. The Padres wanted him last year even though he was terrible. What’s the difference this year? For Betemit…how about some random A ball guy?

    And for all of you who keep saying there are NO trades this early in the season, you’re wrong. There are, just not big trades. Teams trade spare parts frequently.

    Finally, Cashman is not going to be threatened with being let go. Do you really think there aren’t any teams that want him? Somebody said he needs to get out some resumes. Please…if he were available right now teams would be calling him to take over. The Nats? Phillies?

  139. Ian May 14th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    Except Tex is 28 or 29. A switch hitter, who plays far superior defense to Giambi. What are the other options out there. Please don’t say Duncan or Miranda.

  140. paulie wouldnt take this lying down.... May 14th, 2008 at 10:09 am

    i dont think anyone isnt trying but it seems everybody is noticing a lack of energy. i think its possible that everyone gets a little too comfortable at home in tampa. most of the guys have places around there and its the winter home of a bunch of guys. i think there might be something of a distraction factor going on besides the general slumping offense and sloppy defense.

  141. TurnTwo May 14th, 2008 at 10:09 am

    ok; there MAY be trades early in the season, but there are NEVER significant trades in May.

  142. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 10:09 am

    “just not big trades”

    Exactly. People are calling for Cashman to save the day with some big trade, not just trade some spare parts. Cashman has proven over the years that he’s not afraid to take chances trying to find a hidden gem. Yet now people seem to think he’s asleep at the wheel because he’s not trading Giambi or Matsui for the next Shaun Chacon or Aaron Small. Where are these spare parts that are miraculously going to pick up the slack for losing 2 of our most important hitters and players, and for the rest of the lineup not hitting?

    And for those wanting to trade Matsui, who do you want to get in return since he’s the only one really hitting right now?

  143. Ian May 14th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    The people wanting to trade Matsui are probably the ones who were more worried about him than Giambi before the season started .

  144. stuart May 14th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    clowns cashman is a very good GM.. he has kept the steinny’s under control for 10 yrs. he would get a job in 2 minutes.

    look at the minors they have replensihed them and have tons of good young players.

    Texiera is the same old insanity, he is a very good player but will be 29, ie he is getting old.. and will be making a ton while he is 35 or so, bad idea…

    they have miranda, duncan, and others, once in a while you need to give a guy a chance…they have been looking for a 1B for 4 yrs and that is sad sine they are pating someone $21 mill…Giambi and steinny signing research it, this is not FOOTBALL.

  145. Joe from Long Island May 14th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    I’m not sure the Yanks get Mark Texeira next year.

    His agent is Scott Boras. They have both indicated that they want to play out free agency to get the best situation, and Tex’s speaking highly of Baltimore, Atlanta, and NY (which has two teams) indicates to me that they are looking forward to a bidding war. Which he has every right to enjoy. It is free enterprise, afterall.

    The catch is, for me as a Yankee fan – do you give him a 7+ year big$$$ contract, that will make him unmovable for the duration of that contract? Just like we’re bemoaning Jason’s contract, and the situation it has put us into, why does anyone think that giving Tex the same deal will NOT end up the same way – locking the Yanks into a contract that they will come to regret. Heck, look at the Tigers and Miguel Cabrera and the Mets with Santana (how many HRs has he given up, Brandon?). As SJ44 suggested, think a GM might be regretting those deals already?

    I’m all in favor of a bigtime player or hitter. The catch is that, unless you grow your own, they come with risk that can last a long time.

  146. raymagnetic May 14th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    “It’s a marathon and not a sprint.” Keep telling yourselves this and you will probably feel much better.

    I love it how people actually think that kicking chairs over, owners spouting off to media, etc., will actually make the team start hitting better.

    If that’s all that it took I’m surprised nobody in the Pirates organization didn’t do this years ago.

    The Yankees may or may not start swinging the bats better but if they do it’ll have nothing to do with anyone kicking a chair over.

  147. paulie wouldnt take this lying down.... May 14th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    other options at 1b, lets see, posada, matsui, damon, hafner, sexon, konerko, c.pena, c. guillen, garciaparra, ortiz, m ramirez, huff, young , johnson, delgado, just working off the top of my head who might be available….
    i guess you’re right, there are no other options at 1b.

  148. searay May 14th, 2008 at 10:17 am

    SJ44….you should have your own blog. You’re hitting the situation right on the head. I would love to see Gardner get hot for a couple of weeks and get promoted. Even now he’s taking his walks and getting on base. I think he could put a spark in this lineup with his speed and defense.

  149. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 10:17 am

    The whole lack of energy theory – could it be that we simply look lethargic because the team on the other side is MUCH younger and FASTER than our team?

    Our fastest guys would probably be average on teams like the Rays. Jeter is getting older and has a bad quad. Melky is up there with our fastest guys and he’s not really a fast guy. He steals some bases and sometimes impresses on the base paths, but he would go unnoticed if we had real speed (his speed almost does go unnoticed now…).

    I think we look lethargic because we’re not getting hits and because we’re older and slower than teams like the Rays. I don’t care if Jeter were 95, you think he wouldn’t still want to win? Has nothing to do with being comfortable or unmotivated.

  150. Scorpio May 14th, 2008 at 10:18 am

    “They lost. Tough $&@^.”

    “You whiners sound all the same.”

    Brilliant commentary from Mr./Mrs. Baseball Prospectus.

    Wanker. Whiner. V. All the Same.

  151. Ian May 14th, 2008 at 10:18 am

    “lets see, posada, matsui, damon, hafner, sexon, konerko, c.pena, c. guillen, garciaparra, ortiz, m ramirez, huff, young , johnson, delgado”

    And of those guys who is realisitc. Nick Johnson. That is about it.

  152. SJ44 May 14th, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Do you really think teams want Kei Igawa? Never has a rumored interest in one guy been so wrong.

    The guy has shown repeatedly he can’t pitch. Now, you want Cashman to “get something” for him.

    Ok, he will get a Single A non-prospect, at best, for him.

    How does that make the team better?

    As CB said, there are no magic bullets. No big trades are going to be made in May, and the only way they are going to improve is to play better.

    The proposed Griffey to Seattle trade as “evidence” big trades are made? Please, you can’t be serious.

    Griffey has a no trade clause AND he is a shell of his former self. He wants to go to ONE place. Seattle.

    Chuck Armstrong, the Mariners President LOVES Griffey. If that happens, it will be a sentinmental trade and nothing more.

    That’s not an example of a “big” May trade. Its more an example of one team (Cinci) shedding payroll and another (Seattle) needing a “name” to help draw fans.

    Sorry folks but, nobody pines for Jason Giambi for the Yankees to be able to make a similar move. Nor will Giambi waive his no trade to do it.

  153. paulie wouldnt take this lying down.... May 14th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    ian, that was the list i just thought up off the top of my head, there are probaly 15 more 1b options available.

  154. paulie wouldnt take this lying down.... May 14th, 2008 at 10:23 am

    ok first you say there are never trades in may, then i point one out and you have a reason why it doesnt count. nice form.

  155. CB May 14th, 2008 at 10:24 am

    “What the number of pitches/plate appearance for molina vs posada or Betimitt vs. Arod? Same as OBP.”

    There’s two ways to look at this – do you compare molina/ betemit to Posada/ARod of 2008 or to Posada/ARod of 2007.

    Let’s start with Molina/ Posada. Molina righ now is hitting .203 with a .221 OBP and a .311 Slugging %. Those are truly horrendous numbers – even for a backup catcher.

    Molina is seeing 3.4 pitches per at bat – which is in line with his career average.

    Last year Posada as we all know had a career year – .338 BA/ .426 OBP/ .543 SLG %. He saw 3.8 pitches per at bat last year.

    One of the major issues for the yankee’s offense coming into this year was how would the team deal with Posada’s regression back to his mean production – very little chance he’d come close to anywhere near last year’s production again (same is true for ARod).

    This year posada was hitting .302/ .333 OBP/ .476 SLG. Not great but not bad at all over 66 at bats. He was seeing 3.4 pitches/ AB.

    This year ARod was .286/ .343/ .495. He was seeing 3.9 pitches / AB.

    Betemit has only 27 AB this year – he’s seeing 3.7 pitches/ AB. Ensberg is seeing 4.0 pitches per at bat.

    So the issue with Molina and the 3rd base replacement’s isn’t an issue of taking pitches or patience.

    It really has to do with trade offs.

    Neither ARod nor Posada were going to do what they did last year.

    But both were doing fine so far this year. Unfortunately, since they’ve gone down the players filling in for them have essentially performed like replacement level players.

    It’s very hard to really grasp how devastating such a trade off is.

    It’s not just your losing two guys who were performing well – it was that you lost them and replaced them with guys putting up marginal numbers.

    Many people thought the yankees were wrong to give Posada such a large contract this off season and that they gave ARod too many years.

    But the reason why they did so is exactly because of what we’re seeing right now. Catcher has always been a premium position and 3rd base has sort of become one – there just aren’t many good 3rd baseman in baseball anymore (in a strange way ARod could have a slightly worse year this year and still be more valuable player relative to his peers at 3rd base because both Miguel Cabrera and Ryan Braun are no longer 3rd baseman because they couldn’t hack it defensively).

    This isn’t really Molina’s fault – he is a backup and a defensive guy.

    Betemit’s injury was really unfortunate because he hits for power and was hot.

    Ensberg could be done.

    Replacing all star level production with replacement level production is really devastating. The only way to survive that is if every other player in the line up steps up in a big way.

    That hasn’t happened and that’s why the offense is so poor right now.

  156. randy l May 14th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    can you imagine if girardi hadn’t banned candy and ice cream? they’d be really in the depths.

    is it time to start wondering if girardi is too rigid in his thinking and lacking in creativity?

    i always liked girardi as a supporting character, maybe his engineering mind needs to have the balance of some free spirits around him.

    one thing that strikes me about this team is that it’s boring, really boring. have you ever seen a more boring looking coaching staff. are long, eiland, and thompson the same guy? they don’t look like they know what fun is.

    even the players look bored.

    the first thing some player on the team needs to do is too install a hagen daz freezer in the middle of the locker room and tell girardi where to go. if nothing else, there’ll be a big fight and we’ll get some energy.

  157. SJ44 May 14th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    Anybody can write names and believe they are “options”.

    Let’s examine the names:

    Pena. The Rays have no interest in trading Carlos Pena. None. If they did, why would they trade him to a division rival? Scratch him.

    Konerko? Just what the Yankees need. Another 14 million dollar a year player who can’t play up to his contract. Scratch him.

    Sexson? See Konerko. Scratch him.

    Guillen? The Tigers aren’t interested in trading one of their best players and team leaders. Scratch him.

    Matsui and Damon? Neither guy is a first baseman. Geez, haven’t we been through this enough? You can’t just make people into first basemen. Its not a video game.

    Delgado? That’s pretty funny. We already have an old, shot first baseman. Why not add another?

    I think you get my point. Just spouting off names are not “options”. There is a lot more to doing deals than just spouting off names.

    NONE of those guys are realistic options.

  158. JMO May 14th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    cash thinks the idea is to keep all the prospects until they either pan out or fail (at which time they have no value). igawa is a perfect example, if our baseball ppl were so sharp, they would have moved him in a second last year.
    the genius of stick wasnt just developing jeter, mo, bernie, pettitte, etc. it was in deciding to keep bernie and trade roberto kelly, keep pettitte and trade springer, trade prospects who never panned out for tino martizez.
    if we keep all these kids till they make it or fail, we will get a few players but miss out on the ones we could have had. someone needs to decide which guys are likely to make it and move the others while their trade value is high.

  159. randy l May 14th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    “That hasn’t happened and that’s why the offense is so poor right now.”

    no way. not enough ice cream.

  160. JMO May 14th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    ok sj, so its giambi or tex. which one do you sign for next year?

  161. JMO May 14th, 2008 at 10:31 am

    tigers made cabrera into a 1b and hes doing pretty well, but im sure you’ll have some reason that doesnt count either.

  162. Ian May 14th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Paulie,

    Like SJ44, none of them are real options. Except for maybe Nick Johnson.

  163. G. Love May 14th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    I’m glad Hank said what he did. He’s right. This team even without Arod should be winning series. Outside of Igawa, they’ve actually been getting the pitching they need to stay close and win games.

    Before Pettitte gave up the game the other night, the team was in it and they couldn’t move runners. GIDP’d. They sucked the life out of the team.

    When the other team gets 1 run, it’s like 10 runs now because we know the Yanks are going to breeze through at bats being unproductive.

    I’m afraid of what’s going to happen this weekend. If the Mets come in and pitch well and hit and sweep the series in the stadium, it will get ugly.

    There’s a real potential for that to happen if the bats don’t wake up.

    I really think the team chemistry needs a shake up. I’m not talking about trading for Giffey, but maybe bringing up Garnder (even though he’s struggling) and putting him in LF might be a nice spark and give this team some speed.

    This is a walk or home run team. That’s all we all are. That is unacceptable.

    And yes, I do agree with the DFA Giambi idea in one breath, but then I sit and look how he’s outperforming so many of the guys in the lineup.

    Cano is a major disappointment yet again at this point in the season. Hank should be allowed to pay him less in April and May.

    Damon and Giambi show up and do something to win a game once a week.

    The hole is 3b is huge without Arod, but there’s go to be some kind of production from the OF, SS, 2b, 1b to get us through this.

    Hank is right to say what he did. Only some fans who freak out when he criticized their precious darlings.

    There are a lot more fans who agree with Hank than the pom pom waving sect.

    They better start playing. If they want to be Yankees, then show it on the field.

  164. Y's Guy May 14th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    sj so now that you’ve decided that only tex can be our 1b, how much more do we pay him than we are paying giambi now?

    and what’s your backup plan since you dismissed anybody else possiby playing 1b for the yanks next year.

  165. TKinDC May 14th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    “if we keep all these kids till they make it or fail, we will get a few players but miss out on the ones we could have had. someone needs to decide which guys are likely to make it and move the others while their trade value is high.”

    Cashman dealt Clausen, Halsey, and Milton come to mind – Soriano turned into A-Rod if you want to count that kind of deal too.

  166. SJ44 May 14th, 2008 at 10:39 am

    They made Cabrera a first baseman because he couldn’t move anymore.

    He’s 24 years old and he has already outgrown the position in which the Tigers signed him to play. Their intention was NOT to move him this year. That’s how bad he was at third base.

    You think he is doing “well” at first? Have you seen him play? He’s a stick figure at first. He’s a 24 year old DH playing first base.

    You think that’s a good thing?

    Who is talking about re-signing Giambi? That’s not going to happen. They will pay him his 5 million to buy him out at the end of the year and that’s it.

    We are talking baseball here. Not just spouting off like emotional 10 year old who didn’t get the Christmas present he wanted.

    You can’t just push a button and make all the changes you want.

    Some of you act as if no other GM in the game watches baseball. You think there are markets for all the underperforming Yankee players? There aren’t.

    Cashman has shown a willingness to trade prospects in the past.

    Right now? Depends on the deal.

    I certainly wouldn’t want to trade A list prospects for the Griffey’s and Konerko’s of the world.

    Aside from adding a “name”, how does that make the team better? It doesn’t.

    Every team goes through rough patches during the season. Despite this rough patch, the Yankees are still right in the middle of the race. In fact, they are in better position than they were last year at this time. Strange as that may be.

  167. V May 14th, 2008 at 10:41 am

    “tigers made cabrera into a 1b and hes doing pretty well, but im sure you’ll have some reason that doesnt count either.”

    Well, silly Yankees. All they have to do is find a Miguel Cabrera, pay him stud 3B money, and convert him to 1B. Awesome. Maybe ARod would move to 1B?

  168. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 10:42 am

    “ok first you say there are never trades in may, then i point one out and you have a reason why it doesnt count. nice form.”

    Ok, so “Y’s Guy” = “paulie wouldn’t take this lying down?”

    OR “JMO” = “paulie wouldn’t take this lying down..?”

    OR both?? Why the need for multiple handles……..?

  169. Jeremy May 14th, 2008 at 10:43 am

    If the Yankees traded for Miggy to fill a hole at third, and then moved him to first in April, most commenters on this site would be screaming for Cashman’s head.

  170. jimmy1138 May 14th, 2008 at 10:43 am

    @G.Love:

    “Outside of Igawa, they’ve actually been getting the pitching they need to stay close and win games.”

    Yeah, blame Igawa and everything is fine. The Yanks lost 21 games so far and Igawa pitched in one of those. Have you seen any game Hughes or Kennedy started? Or some Pettitte games recently (4IP 5ER is just so much better than 3IP 6ER, yeah)?

  171. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 8 ) May 14th, 2008 at 10:43 am

    There are some crazy posters on this board, thank you SJ and CB for the sanity posts.

    My fellow Yankee Fans it’s May, there is no trade market, the Wilson Betemit trade talk to keep in Gonzo, don’t some of you understand when he was healthy he was actually producing runs, I love Gonzo but he is not a run producer, he continues innings or puts the ball in play, but is not a run producer. Oh and to DFA Jason Giambi that’s something I’m for but don’t mock me w/ Shelley Duncan being his replacement, when has he hit in 2008 ?

    Hanks comments are not only his but it’s a Cashman comment too, see this is when the Yankees are getting ready to say enough is enough, it’s why Matt Carson is in AAA, it’s why Brett Gardner is in AAA, if there are players here who have problems getting thier motor started expect big changes in late June.

    On Borrowed Time: Shelley Duncan, Jason Giambi, Johnny Damon, Bobby Abreu

  172. trisha - Kennedy needs to go down to AAA NOW. May 14th, 2008 at 10:45 am

    Yanks start hitting all this acrimony disappears.

    I was all for bringing Boomer back for a try but I don’t have any idea how he is at the plate…

    GO YANKEES!!!

    GO O’S!!!

  173. Y's Guy May 14th, 2008 at 10:45 am

    there goes sj44 again, anybody who disagrees with him is a 10-year old. (check his posts during a loss and tell me who sounds like a 10-yr old)

    you still havent answered my question. you dismissed every possiblity at 1b next year except tex. how much do we pay him in years 5, 6, and the option year after that? since he is the only possiblity and boras is looking for a big win vs. the yankees, maybe we can just give him part ownership in new yankee stadium.

    still noting your lack of a b/u plan, too.

    p.s., yes i have watched the tigers and cabrera and he is better than giambi already (although that is saying very little)

  174. TurnTwo May 14th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    j1138, i would assume GL was referring to the Yankees woes over the last week or so.

  175. Anthony May 14th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    It would be an enormous mistake to DFA Giambi. Let’s at least keep him on the bench and then let him sign somewhere else as a free agent and give us a type A draft pick after the season. Abreu, too, if he doesn’t turn things around.

  176. SJ44 May 14th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    I’m not saying “Tex or bust” at first base.

    Geez, are some of you incapable of reading or understanding anything?

    I’m saying that replacing someone with the SAME KIND OF PLAYER is not a solution.

    The Yankees don’t need to have an answer for their 2009 first baseman NOW.

    Things happen in off-seasons that are not on the table during a season.

    Throwing out a bunch of names, calling them “options”, then becoming upset that you are either called on it, or Cashman doesn’t do these supposed “great” deals, makes zero sense to me.

    Its not how baseball works. Its also not how a blog works. Every deal you make has ramifications short term and long term.

    If you have a problem with someone commenting on your statement in this blog, don’t post. Its not a cheerleader blog, nor will it ever be.

    The fact is, the LAST thing the Yankees need right now is to get older. That’s one of their big problems right now.

    Thankfully, that won’t happen under the present regime.

    No matter what Hank says, the underlying point, the need to get younger, is backed in unanimously throughout the organization.

    So, those of you upset the Yankees aren’t going to add another over 32, 8 figure salary guy are just going to have to get over it.

    Its not happening this season.

  177. Bronx Born May 14th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    Back in the day, when George bellowed and bellowed and had histrionics after histrionics it did not improve the Yankees one bit. Now Hank is bellowing. George turned me off then and Hank turns me off now. Just because you own the club does not mean that you know what you are doing or what you are saying. Yes I want the Yanks to win. But not for a moment do I even think they are not trying. The team is actually coming around despite the current losses. Giambi is hitting better as is Cano. Let the team play, let Girardi manage. Screeching owners are best ignored.

  178. CB May 14th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    One issue that hasn’t been discussed enough during this offensive down turn is Bobby Abreu, IMO.

    With ARod out of the line up Abreu’s limitation are being exposed very badly.

    What I mean by that is that Abreu is such an odd player for his position and his spot in the line up – he does certain things very well and certain things not very well.

    Abreu is really a guy who is a #2 hitter who plays right field.

    Now in the Yankee’s line up Abreu works very well as a #3 hitter.

    But that depends on having the line up intact.

    Why? Because a player whose greatest strength is a high OBP, is a player whose value is context dependent.

    For other teams when their #4 and #5 hitters would go down you’d hope that the #3 hitter could pick up some of the slack.

    But Abreu is not that kind of #3 hitter. Abreu has not been “bad” at all. He’s been fine – .287 BA with a .782 OPS.

    Those nubmers are lower than where you’d expect him to be at the end of the year but not dramatically far off.

    The problem is that Abreu is a #3 hitter with a slugging % or .427. That will work if you have a high OBP when you have ARod hitting behind you but not when you have middling players hitting behind you.

    What I’m trying to say is that losing ARod and Posada have a particularly deep effect on the yankees because ARod and Posada have an inordinantly large multiplier effect because of the nature of Abreu’s game.

    When Abreu and ARod are playing well they make each other better players – primarily because Abreu is always on base in front of ARod.

    We all knew the team would struggle without ARod and Posada but they’ve been much worse than one would guess.

    Part of that reason that’s happened is because Abreu’s value as a #3 hitter is tightly tied to having a strong #4 hitter behind him to drive him in. So even if he’s putting up decent numbers Abreu’s value drops signficantly without ARod behind him.

    Losing ARod is like losing ARod and a good chunk of Abreu’s value. It’s not a “linear” loss of production.

    That doesn’t make Abreu a “bad” player or “overrated”, etc. It just means he’s got certain limitations to his game (like all players do except for the truly elite players).

    I’d also guess this is why the Phillies were so down on him while he’s mostly been exactly what the yankees expected.

  179. raymagnetic May 14th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    “Let’s at least keep him on the bench and then let him sign somewhere else as a free agent and give us a type A draft pick after the season. Abreu, too, if he doesn’t turn things around.”

    Giambi isn’t bringing back a type A or type B pick. Abreu, maybe but not Giambi.

  180. JMO May 14th, 2008 at 10:50 am

    first off, i did use paulie b/c it fit today. second, who cares what the handle is, i just started using this one one day, then found that others used it too. who cares which one i use the point is the same.

  181. William Buckner May 14th, 2008 at 10:50 am

    Thanks CB.
    That said, we’ve replaced two all stars with on awful offensive player (and not a knock, he’s not paid to be an everyday catcher) and utility guy.

    To be honest, other then getting healthy, I think the best way to help this team is restructure the bench. I don’t see the point to having duncan, betimtt, and ensburg on this team when they are essentially the same player. I would keep bet cause he can play both corner spots and can hit (a little). I would drop ensburg for AG, a true utility guy. I would drop duncan for gardner, OF and potential pinch runner, for close games like last night. Any thoughts??

  182. trisha - Every dawn is a new beginning... May 14th, 2008 at 10:50 am

    Just introducing my latest motivational tagline. I forget that your work tagline isn’t picked up by your home computer!

  183. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 8 ) May 14th, 2008 at 10:53 am

    and that’s another thing Shelley Duncan was brought up to mash LHP, he can’t right now, he can’t even touch RHP, Morgan Ensberg eversince getting paid lost his bat speed. There is going to be so many changes come late June if nothing improves.

  184. trisha - Every dawn is a new beginning... May 14th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    “Back in the day, when George bellowed and bellowed and had histrionics after histrionics it did not improve the Yankees one bit. ”

    That’s not totally accurate. I remember a time during a series with the Mets, when Tino was still with the Yanks, and the Yanks were being embarrassed by the Mets. Tino in particular was not hitting. George went ballistic and said that there were going to be some changes on the team if the team didn’t start winning. Right after that the Yankees went on a tear.

    Just a point of information.

    I like Hank calling them out. If it means they need to take more BP, let them do it. If it means they need to work more on their fielding, let them do it. (Just giving examples). If the shoe doesn’t fit, they don’t have to wear it. But if there are any individuals who could be doing more to help their game, let them step up and do it.

  185. V May 14th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    “It would be an enormous mistake to DFA Giambi. Let’s at least keep him on the bench and then let him sign somewhere else as a free agent and give us a type A draft pick after the season. Abreu, too, if he doesn’t turn things around.”

    The Yankees would have to offer him arbitration, which they won’t do.

  186. Bob May 14th, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Shields, Kazmir, Santana……

    yeah it definetly is gonna get alot worse before it gets better.

  187. Kill-Schill(ing) May 14th, 2008 at 11:00 am

    Look, I’m not pleased about how the Yankees have performed thus far, but I’m not nearly as dejected or worried as I was at this juncture last year; although on May 14, 2007, the Yankees were 17-19 as well.

    Why?

    1) In 2007, the Yankees were 8 games out of 1st place.
    2008-

    2) In 2008, five games separate the Yankees in the loss from Tampa; 3 games, from Boston.

    3) In 2007, the injuries afflicted the starting rotation; to my mind, a more devastating place to sustain them than the lineup. (bats can be acquired, starters less so.)

    In 2007, recall, the Yankees had two effective starters, a woeful Mussina, a putrid Igawa, and the Scranton shuttle-bus starting in the 5th spot.

    4) In 2008, in contrast, the injuries have plagued the lineup and are less serious. Only Posada will miss significant time. A-Rod should return next Tuesday. And thus far, Rasner has proved he can provide every bit of what the Yankees expected of Hughes.

    In 2008, the Yankees may score less runs than 2007 but their starting rotation will prove infinitely better if Rasner and Mussina continue to pitch as they have. Whatever IPK gives the Yankees in the fifth spot is surplus.

    5) The bullpen in 2007 was dreadful until Joba arrived in July.

    6) In 2008, I’m heartened by the performance of Ohlendorf, optimisitic about Veras, pleasantly surprised by Farnsworth, and hopeful about the promise of Robertson, Melancon, and Cox.

    Now, the division, it’s true, is more competitive in 2008 than 2007, I concede.

    However, I still can’t imagine Troy Percival will stay healthy and remain an effective closer for an entire season. He relies on velocity and I’m dubious he’ll be able to retain it through the dog days? The rest of their bullpen strikes me as suspect as well: JP Howell? Wheeler? Still the Rays are an 80-win team; last year’s Blue Jays perhaps. The 2008 Jays, even with their injuries, worry me more actually because that starting rotation, along with the D-Back, is the best in baseball.

    Unless Schilling returns and pitches well, the Sux currently face many of the same questions as the Yankees in their starting rotation. What’s more, if Posada and A-Rod return, I’ll still take the Yankees lineup and bullpen to the Red Sox lineup and bullpen.

    To my mind, the Yankees wildcard is Joba. How does he pitch as a starter? Is he 2003 Santana or 2007 Hughes? And how do the Yankees replace him in the bullpen?

    I still see the Yankees as a playoff contender. They do have to start improving soon however. The second-half of their schedule is much more difficult this year than last. They have two West Coast road-trips in 4 weeks: the first week of August, the first week of September.

    I’m hardly religious but I urge you all to Keep the Faith.

  188. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 11:00 am

    “who cares which one i use the point is the same.”

    Agreed… just found it odd that one “person” was taking credit for another’s post.. makes it a little harder to follow sometimes when some people on here use ten different names.

  189. CB May 14th, 2008 at 11:01 am

    “I would drop ensburg for AG, a true utility guy. I would drop duncan for gardner, OF and potential pinch runner, for close games like last night. Any thoughts??”

    I personally agree with what you’re saying.

    Ensberg’s primary value on this team was going to be as a right handed bat against left handed pitching (which is a valuable role on a very left handed hitting team).

    But if Ensberg’s not hitting they can’t afford to carry him.

    Given both ARod’s and Jeter’s pulled quad’s they need viable SS and 3rd base backups. I think that means Gonzelez should stay with the team to rest jeter (and because he’s played well). Same for Betemit.

    Betemit is not a good backup SS. He is a very good backup corner infielder (even with his inability to hit left handers he’s still overall a much better hitter than most backup corner infielders, especially 3rd base).

    There is some risk that ARod could restrain his quad at some point this season – same for jeter.

    I think that means you definitely don’t trade Betemit and keep Gonzalez (though he could be statshed in AAA as well).

  190. JMO May 14th, 2008 at 11:01 am

    i sat by and listened to everybody here slurp shelley all winter and through ST, and i said nothing. this blog was so unabashedly pro-duncan for so long that i thought it was a waste of time to say anything against him.

    he sucks. plain and simple.

    there is a reason a guy from a baseball family who was brought up to be a ballplayer stays in the minors till he’s 30. we got the ablsolute best of shelley duncan’s entire career last summer, now its time to move on.

  191. trisha - Every dawn is a new beginning... May 14th, 2008 at 11:02 am

    All we need is some timely hitting.

  192. TKinDC May 14th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    “Part of that reason that’s happened is because Abreu’s value as a #3 hitter is tightly tied to having a strong #4 hitter behind him to drive him in. So even if he’s putting up decent numbers Abreu’s value drops signficantly without ARod behind him.”

    This is so right – and it was obvious when A-Rod had his historic season last year what a great fit Abreu’s skill set was in terms of exhausting pitchers by seeing a ton of pitches and then either walking or hitting singles.

    When you need power production as we do now – Abreu seems to start to press, I think his “pitches seen” numbers are down this year because he is trying to step up beyond what he does best.

    The only saving grace of an otherwise depressing situation is that the BoSux are playing just as badly with their line-up intact. Papi even got the heave-ho in the ninth inning last night (never a bad thing).

    One quick word about Hank – by speaking out he creates a situation where when they win a game he’ll feel responsible and then feel obligated to chirp whenever there is a losing streak.

    Also, Robbie Cano has a 94 mph fastball coming at him tonight with a man on 2nd base and 2 outs – is he going to lock in more b/c he wants to “earn his money” – come on.

  193. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 14th, 2008 at 11:05 am

    3 games in the loss column back to Boston is no big deal….who really cares about Tampa, at the end of the season they will not even be at .500, mark my words….PLAY BETTER…simple….now JUST SAY YES ! :-)

  194. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 14th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    I miss watching the team actually score runs.
    The past 2 games-2 runs total? Oy

    We can’t do anything but watch and wait

  195. Kill-Schill(ing) May 14th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    My great worry CB about Abreu– and by the way, I adore Bobby– is that he isn’t walking as much as he did in 2006 when the Yankees first acquire him and before that with the Phillies.

    His OBP is down from a career .400 to .350 in ’07 and ’08.

    Pitchers are challenging Abreu with strikes early in the count to get ahead and he hasn’t entirely re-adjusted. He still takes too many strikes late in the count, thinking they’re ball and strikes out looking far too much for a hitter of his caliber.

    Maybe, teams have decided they’re more willing to risk a lower probability Abreu double than a higher probability Abreu walk.

  196. William Buckner May 14th, 2008 at 11:08 am

    CB,
    what about duncan? he strike me as a quad a player. not exactly young so i dont see him as a prospect, he is what he is.

    the bench was really a problem last night. what if an injury occured in the 10th? only a backup catcher was left.

    and what if a guy like G walks to start an inning? perfect time to bring in a runner.

  197. BB May 14th, 2008 at 11:09 am

    Any pitcher look like ace when the opponent is yankees now.

  198. randy l. May 14th, 2008 at 11:11 am

    cb-
    i’m a little puzzled here. since you’re a big supporter of cashman’s youth movement, shouldn’t you like cashman have your tail a bit between your legs on how the season is playing out ?

    my read on this season is cashman bet his job on his youth movement, and so far he doesn’t have one pitching victory out of kennedy and hughes. you can dissect what’s wrong with the veterans , but isn’t the real problem that cashman didn’t make any moves over the winter because he didn’t want to part with any young players?

    and weren’t you on board with this policy? i agree there’s little to do right now with trades, but who”s fault is that?

  199. CB May 14th, 2008 at 11:11 am

    “Look, I’m not pleased about how the Yankees have performed thus far, but I’m not nearly as dejected or worried as I was at this juncture last year; although on May 14, 2007, the Yankees were 17-19 as well.”

    KS,

    I completely agree with your assessment. It’s painful baseball to watch right now but overall things aren’t nearly as bad as they were last year for the reasons you pointed out.

    I do think Tampa Bay is going to be in the wild card race all year.

    Percival might falter but it’s really hard to describe how much pitching talent the Rays have in the minor leagues.

    They’ll have reinforcements if their pitchers falter. They may not want to use them due to development issues (or because that would activate their service time) but they have the most high end pitching depth of any team in the majors (yankees would be second).

  200. grob May 14th, 2008 at 11:12 am

    This season is done

    I think that I am going to make a mayo, draino, skittles sandwich and be done with it

  201. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 11:12 am

    I don’t see the Rays being the “first place Rays” all season by any means, but I wouldn’t make bets that they’ll finish the season the way they do every year. Anyone thinking they don’t have a lot of talent isn’t watching the games. They remind me of Colorado last year.

  202. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Enjoy, skittles are delicious…

  203. Jerkface May 14th, 2008 at 11:16 am

    Someone a hundred posts back suggested that Cano can’t command the strike zone, and will never have a ‘long career’.

    First of all he is young. Second of all if you look at his stats:

    Better walk rate
    Similiar or better strike out rate
    More pitches per PA
    Same linedrive %
    Better ground ball %
    WAY WORSE Batting Average

    Which one of those is the outlier? Cano is getting absolutely killed in BABIP. Infact, a lot of hitters on our team are suffering, but Cano is the worst.

    Generally you take LD% and add .130(I think, or .120, its around there) to it to get the suggested BABIP for the player. Cano’s BABIP should be around .280-.300. Instead, its at .180. This means Cano is suffering from horrible, horrible luck. His linedrives are being caught.

    His approach is fine. He is taking more pitches, and driving the same amount that he normally would. They just happen to be going right at fielders.

    I expect Cano to light up the second half as usual.

  204. Jax May 14th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    I think it would interesting to see how Kennedy would pitch against the Yankees offense.
    Wonder would he nibble or go right after them. Hmmmmmmm

  205. Kill-Schill(ing) May 14th, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Do you think the Rays could win more than 84 games, CB?

    If so that changes the entire dynamic of the AL East race and means 90-wins could claim the division title. Don’t count out the Jays just yet either.

    I agree the Rays have tremendous pitching depth in that farm system. David Price, in particular.

    Let’s see if Kazmir can stay healthy, Garza can keep his wits about him, and Edwin Jackson doesn’t revert to his earlier self.

    I also continue to hope that Pena stays around .200 all season and Longoria continues to suffer the growing pains of a rookie.

  206. sunny615 May 14th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    I cannot being to express how disappointing this team is right now. The way they’re playing now, they might as well put a Royals logo on their caps. They suck and can’t buy a hit to say nothing about scoring a run. I don’t know what their problems are, but it’s pathetic.

  207. sunny615 May 14th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    trisha – Every dawn is a new beginning…
    May 14th, 2008 at 11:02 am
    All we need is some timely hitting.
    ————
    forget the timely part, I’d be happy if they would just get a freakin’ hit.

  208. CB May 14th, 2008 at 11:25 am

    “and weren’t you on board with this policy? i agree there’s little to do right now with trades, but who”s fault is that?”

    randy,

    I completely disagree with your assessment. Kennedy and Hughes didn’t pitch well but the overall problem with this team is not that they have too much youth or their pitching.

    They aren’t winning games becasue they offense – the veteran led offense – isn’t producing anywhere close to what they were expected to do.

    That’s the issue.

    The entire off season plan with they young pitching was contingent on feeling that the team would have one of the best offenses in the game.

    It’s been one of the worst.

    And there are no new young players among the position players.

    And it’s very funny for you to use selective editing when discussing the youth movement, only focusing in on the two young players who haven’t produced.

    How’s Joba been? I’d say he’s part of the youth movement? When Ohlendorf’s been used as a short man and gotten some rest he’s been good. Alabaladejo pitched well before getting hurt and really helped after Bruney got hurt. How about Rasner? All those players are also first year players. Where would they be without them?

    And by the way, isn’t it WAY too early to say whether the youth movement has failed?

    It’s the middle of May. Don’t worry, you’ll have plenty of time to assign blame over the course of the season.

    Right now – it’s rather early. No team has run away with the season.

    Last year the same thing happened with the offense and they hit their way out of it and made the playoffs.

    I don’t remember you posting much at the beginning of last year but it would have been interesting to see what your thoughts were on the state of the team last may.

    Going with young players is absolutely a risk. But that’s part of putting a team together – its’ about risk. There’s no guarantees.

    And regardless of the outcome of this season one thing is for certain – this team MUST get younger and more multi-faceted.

    They are in this position because they’ve gave too many long terms contracts to older veteran players.

    They have to get younger – watch the Rays play. Watch what the Sox younger players are giving them.

    They’ve tried the veteran route way too often. Going with young players is the right thing to do and it’s sill to decide that a strategic decision was wrong 6 weeks into a season.

  209. JMO May 14th, 2008 at 11:25 am

    although i really hate this roster infelxiblity, i am not nearly as down on this team as most posters. i said earlier that the yankees will pull out of this and mash, soon, and that they would make the playoffs. (even though i do think it’ll be another first round bounceout without major roster changes)

    im trying to get cano on both of my fantasy teams, its just a matter of time before he blows up. one thing about this hitting slump is that it is covering up the fact that we are getting adequate pitching, especially from the bp. farns is having a very good year and when (if ever…) we have a lead in the 7th, it’s
    game over.
    although i constanly knock giambi’s contract and his refusal to hit a grounder the other way with RISP (howard and fielder are trying it!) i am okay with having giambi at 1b (for the 1st 6 innings) and swinging for the fences when there are no risp.
    every team looks horrible when they are not hitting but that will happen soon. things arent as bad as they seem right now. however its time to start putting together a roster that can go deep into october again, not just one that slips into the playoffs and plays golf on october 12th.

  210. A-Point May 14th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    Why are some people blaming the “youth movement” as the reason for the Yankees losing so many games right now? Not for anything, but Wang pitched a 1 run game. The problem is the bats, not the pitching. During this time of year the bats should be able to over come a lot of deficits with the pitching staff.

    I have concern that the Yankees and the Blue Jays are going to run into the same problem. The lack of hitting and run support puts a lot of pressure on the pitching staff. That much pressure can lead to them changing their styles and trying too hard to be perfect. Then there goes the pitching.

    The biggest difference between the Yankees situation and the Blue Jays is that the Yankee bats are there, they just aren’t working now.

    I also don’t understand how Girardi keeps getting a free pass with some of this. Yes, the bats aren’t hitting well, but where are the bunts, sac flies, stolen bases? Those are called by the manager. Where is any attempt to steal a base during a one run game? No, instead its GIDP time.

    I don’t think its Girard being soft. I think the bigger problem is what we saw with Torre. They keep waiting for the big hit. He doesn’t look to manufacture some runs. The Rays did exactly that in the game last night. When was the last time the Yankees did that?

    The Yankees are keeping too many pitchers due to the less spectacular starts from the back end, but still, there they don’t have the long man that is needed. No bench, no long man, lack of ANY kind of running game, these are on the manager. While some players can initiate these on their own, the manager gets to dictate them. Yet, he just crosses his arms and looks stern while having his team beaten, again.

  211. sunny615 May 14th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Last year the same thing happened with the offense and they hit their way out of it and made the playoffs.
    ————-
    I really wish they would just not get into it to begin with and just start the season hitting. It always adds stress to a team when they have to “work their way out” of anything.

  212. randy l. May 14th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    “They aren’t winning games becasue they offense – the veteran led offense – isn’t producing anywhere close to what they were expected to do.”

    the pitching is 10th in the league. it’s even worse than the hitting.

  213. grob May 14th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    “Enjoy, skittles are delicious…”

    I can’t enjoy anything…this season is done. I can’t even watch reruns of “the Hills” because I am so depressed.

    It reminds me of the time I found out that wrestling was scripted.

    man…..THIS SEASON IS DUN!!!!!!!

  214. sunny615 May 14th, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Why are some people blaming the “youth movement” as the reason for the Yankees losing so many games right now?
    ————–
    I’m not blaming anyone for anything, I’m just really frustrated right now with the offense. No one is working any pitchers. No one is having any quality at-bats. As a matter of fact – and quite plainly – this offense just sucks.

  215. sunny615 May 14th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    the pitching is 10th in the league. it’s even worse than the hitting.
    ——————–
    I think that stat is a bit skewed because it’s also taking into account Hughes’ and IPK’s poor starts as well as Igawa’s one disaster of a batting practice game.

  216. Jerkface May 14th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    I am not sure where you guys are expecting these stolen bases to come from. Girardi put on a lot of steals and hit and runs early in the season and our guys ran into outs.

    We don’t have any genuine base stealers. Abreu, A-rod, Jeter, and Damon can steal bases selectively. You can’t run them all the time and expect good results.

    Given that for the Yankees, every out has been precious, expecting Girardi to give free ones to the other team is ridiculous.

    Also he can’t call for a Sac Fly from the dug out, thats on the hitter to put the ball in the air.

    I haven’t seen anything in the offensive approach that suggests Girardi can DO anything to fix it. How can he fix Jose Molina being slow as molasses and grounding out constantly? He tried by moving Alberto up in the order. How can he fix Cano or Matsui hitting a line out every other AB? Can he defensively position the other team?

    Bunts and Steals are not going to do much for this offense besides create unnecessary outs.

  217. JoeT YANKEES 28/09 May 14th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    From the department of words that we thought would never be put together:

    I AGREE WITH HANK!!

    gotta start playing with some fire!! Lets see if this does anything for tonights game

  218. CB May 14th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    “Do you think the Rays could win more than 84 games, CB?

    If so that changes the entire dynamic of the AL East race and means 90-wins could claim the division title. Don’t count out the Jays just yet either. ”

    I do think they’ll win more than 84 games. And I agree that that AL east will be brutal this year because of the unbalanced schedule and the greater parity.

    Given that unbalanced schedule, as you suggest, the dyanmic completely changes when you go from 2 of 5 teams being cvompetative to 3 of 5 (nevermind 4 of 5).

    The math becomes brutal.

    The division could very well be had with a win total in the very low 90′s.

    In and odd way its somewhat consoling that the yankees were so bad against the Rays last year (and I think boston did very well against them).

    I think the yankees essentially split their season series with Tampa Bay last year. So it wasn’t like they ran up a large marginal win total against the Rays that you’d expect to decline this year as Tampa becomes more competitive.

    What we’re seeing out of the Rays is not a fluke that is going to go away.

    For at least the next 3-4 years the Rays are going to be a major headache and a very good team.

    There’s a decent probability that at some point over the next few years Tampa will have the best starting staff in the entire majors (if they stay healthy).

    On top of that Tampa has the first pick in the draft again this year.

    This is going to be a 3 team divisional race for the next several years.

    That makes winning the division and winning the wild card tough.

  219. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    “I can’t even watch reruns of “the Hills” because I am so depressed.”

    That’s why you can’t watch that show? Seriously, fire up the skittles and draino sandwich and let the sensible adults talk baseball………

  220. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    ***Disclaimer: I am not seriously suggesting you should attempt to poison yourself.***

    To grow up, perhaps… Season is far from over and “the Hills” is hardly worth watching.

  221. BB May 14th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    Girardi said. However, “This group shows a lot of energy every day.

    It’s totally ridiculous.

  222. Kill-Schill(ing) May 14th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    One of the things that drives me crazy though about the Yankees and for which, I do blame both Girardi and Cashman is

    1) the absence of a genuinely menacing base-stealing threat on the major league roster; (in the late 90′s, the Yankees always had a guy like Andy Fox they could use late in games to pinch-run and to steal a base) They haven’t had anyone like that on the major league roster in years and evidently, they prefer to keep Gardner in Scranton rather than assume that role.

    2) the refusal to get aggressive on the bases. Damon, Jeter, Abreu, Cabrera, and AG (while he plays) need to start trying to steal bases with greater frequency.

    If they get thrown out, they get thrown out. At least, they give opposing pitchers something more to worry about. If the CS percentage soars too high, the Yankees always can re-evaluate.

    Right now, they’re not stealing bases and hardly playing hit-and-run. Torre actually seems to have done the latter more than Girardi.

    I’m not a fan of sacrifice bunting but they haven’t tried that either and they need to start manufacturing runs somehow, anyhow.

  223. sunny615 May 14th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    That makes winning the division and winning the wild card tough.
    ———-
    especially with the yankees getting nothing but older for the next few years… jeter, posada, matsui, damon, et al.

  224. Bob May 14th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    Always smart to come out witha win or else mandate right before you face 3 of the premier pitchers in baseball. Great timing there Hank.

  225. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    I did expect Girardi to do more small ball, manufacturing runs type of things than we’ve been seeing (almost none). Did I have the wrong impression of him as a manager, or are we just too old and slow for him to have the confidence to do it?

    Seems like the first week or two of the season it looked like we’d be doing more of that this year. Then Jeter and A-Rod got hurt and now we see almost none of it.

  226. randy l May 14th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    “How’s Joba been? I’d say he’s part of the youth movement?”

    the problem is that we hardly ever see him, and we can’t see him more as a starter because he has to have his innings kept to a minimum.

    that’s why the youth plan has a built in flaw to it. even when they’re good . you can’t use them much.

  227. sunny615 May 14th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    I’m not a fan of sacrifice bunting but they haven’t tried that either and they need to start manufacturing runs somehow, anyhow.
    ——————————-
    it would help though if they could get on base first.

  228. THIS JUST IN....... May 14th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    cal tech and the u.s.g.s. are predicting an eruption of a very large magnitude in the tampa bay area tonight around 7:45PM. the epicenter is expected to be in St Petersburg near the sports complex area.
    seizmologists say the confluence of 2 forces: an again fault thought to have become dormant last august, and a younger, developing one will both contribute heavily to the eruption.
    aftershocks are expected to go on for hours, perhaps as late as midnight. the outcome of this eruption is currently unclear.

    yankees 12-10 in 11 innings.

  229. sunny615 May 14th, 2008 at 11:44 am

    Did I have the wrong impression of him as a manager, or are we just too old and slow for him to have the confidence to do it?
    ————–
    I would vote for the later.

  230. dontfirecash May 14th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Duncan mashes AAA when he plays everday. He comes up to the Yanks and plays like once every fourth day and doesn’t hit. Maybe he just needs consistent playing time?

  231. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    “Maybe he just needs consistent playing time?”

    Maybe he just needs consistent playing time against AAA pitching…..

  232. grob May 14th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    ***Disclaimer: I am not seriously suggesting you should attempt to poison yourself.***

    To grow up, perhaps… Season is far from over and “the Hills” is hardly worth watching.

    ———

    seriously though man, the season is so done that I am like this close to unleashing my fury on a pack of manatees.

    **Disclaimer**-a gaggle of them live in a lake behind me. They inspired Spielberg’s E.T.

  233. Y's Guy May 14th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    ok, now things are getting out of hand. did someone just question jeters baserunning? that’s insane. you might also questioin dom perignon’s winemaking ability or stradavarious’s violin making.
    the guy has a bad quad, and he’s playing hard and not even mentioning the injury, give him a break.

  234. sunny615 May 14th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    that’s why the youth plan has a built in flaw to it. even when they’re good . you can’t use them much.
    ————————–
    True, but we all knew this going into the season – all three ptichers were going to have inning’s caps. It was discussed ad nauseum all winter. The central idea of the youth movement tho, would be that there would be a place to go (other than trades and FA) to get players and/or replace injured ones. Because Hughes got injured and IPK lost confidence, we suffered. If they started the way they ended last year, I have no doubt we’d be somewhere near the top of the AL east. But that was before we discovered the offense couldn’t hit.

  235. BB May 14th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    The hitters seem not to play well for Girardi.

  236. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 8 ) May 14th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    “Maybe he just needs consistent playing time?”
    he’s not a starter, Shelley needs to understand he’s not going to get 500 ABs, if he can’t hit now as a part time why the hell would we put him fulltime ?

  237. sunny615 May 14th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    BB
    May 14th, 2008 at 11:50 am
    The hitters seem not to play well for Girardi.
    ——————
    I would like to propose that the hitters don’t seem to play well at all period.

  238. CB May 14th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    “the pitching is 10th in the league. it’s even worse than the hitting.”

    I’m well aware of where their pitching is ranked overall in the league.

    And I’ll say it again – they aren’t winning right now because their offense is massively underperforming.

    People often cite mean statistics and draw inferences from them incorrectly because they don’t consider the distribution of the statistics that make up the average.

    Let’s take Jason Giambi as an example – Giambi has an .824 OPS this season and .469 slugging percentage.

    Is anyone going to claim Giambi is having a “good” year.

    They shouldn’t because looking at Giambi’s mean statistics, particularly his power statistics, is misleading because so much of his production is clustered around the couple of games he’s gotten hot and hit a bunch of home runs.

    In a similar way the yankees pitching is 10th in the league because Hughes and Kennedy pitched so poorly in their starts.

    But ultimately a loss is a loss and it doesn’t matter if you lose 11-1 or 3-1 in terms of your record.

    When you have gross outliers in terms of performance, looking at mean statistics for a team, especially in the beginning of a season, is very misleading.

    And Hughes and Kennedy have not been in the rotation over the past week and a half.

    How has the pitching been recently? Pretty good, huh? Despite that they are still hovering around .500 just as they were when hughes and kennedy were in the rotation.

    So the pitching recently has been very good.

    Also, when planning the team you always assume strenghts and weaknesses. For the yankees to be have the 10th best team era in the AL this early isn’t really that unexpected.

    For their hitting to be this bad is very unexpected – that’s not a contingency you prepare for because the probability of the offense being this bad is very, very small.

    The probability of Chamberlain,Hughes, Ohlendorf or Kennedy not being ready was much larger.

    And they had contingencies in place – Rasner front and center.

    They aren’t winning right now because of the VETERAN hitters underperforming.

  239. Russell NY May 14th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    Dioner Navarro is hitting .375 this season. Enough said.

  240. sunny615 May 14th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    Brandon (supporting “Alex being Alex”) (J.Santana HR allowed count: 8 )
    May 14th, 2008 at 11:50 am
    “Maybe he just needs consistent playing time?”
    he’s not a starter, Shelley needs to understand he’s not going to get 500 ABs, if he can’t hit now as a part time why the hell would we put him fulltime ?
    ————–
    There’s a big difference between playing full time and getting your at bats than just pinch hitting once every 5 days for one at bat. Some players need to be in the game to get a feel for it, other can just show up and hit. Shelley seems to be the former. So just because he’s shown so far he’s a poor pinch hitter, doesn’t mean he’d be a poor starting first baseman (or whatever).

  241. bigjf May 14th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    Pete, this always could get worse before it gets better, but if you feel that is the case, you haven’t been watching the past few years. Things have been worse, and it wasn’t enough to stop them.

    Still, I don’t blame Hank for spouting today. I would too because even I’ve had enough of seeing 1 run or less on the board. Start hitting. End of story. Hey Robbie, time to step up!

  242. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 8 ) May 14th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    “There’s a big difference between playing full time and getting your at bats than just pinch hitting once every 5 days for one at bat. Some players need to be in the game to get a feel for it, other can just show up and hit. Shelley seems to be the former. So just because he’s shown so far he’s a poor pinch hitter, doesn’t mean he’d be a poor starting first baseman (or whatever).”

    what exactly has Shelley done to earn starting time ?

  243. randy l May 14th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    “I don’t remember you posting much at the beginning of last year but it would have been interesting to see what your thoughts were on the state of the team last may.”

    cb-

    since you ask about last year. i said emphtically the conditioning sucked, the back up catching was pathetic, and that hughes was being rushed and that all three were cashman’s fault. i also said first base was a chronic joke. and that was cashman’s fault too.

    you are right in feeling i’m challenging you because your thoughts are pretty much in line with cashman’s. i think you are both too in love with prospects. if you notice minnesota traded a pitching prospect in garza ( who is pretty much on hughes’ level) for a delmon young. the twins filled a need. they didn’t just sit on their young players.

    the rays did the same thing in reverse by trading delmon young. did the yankees plug a hole at first by trading a young player? did they acquire a veteran starter to provide middle of the road ,but reliable innings?

    none of the above. i’d say cashman is on the hot seat and so are you similar thoughts on how to build the team.

  244. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    manatees never hurt anyone… they are pretty ugly though.

  245. raymagnetic May 14th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    “the pitching is 10th in the league. it’s even worse than the hitting.”

    They’re tenth in ERA. Other teams are giving up more unearned runs than the Yankees however.

    The team is 7th in the league in total runs per game however.

  246. bigjf May 14th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    “How has the pitching been recently? Pretty good, huh?”

    You think so? I’d say it’s been fair at best overall, with Pettitte’s ineffective start and Igawa’s miserable outing. We’ve had great starts from Wang and company, but 2 of the last 5 starts have been bad.

  247. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    randy, choosing to not trade Hughes or Kennedy for a similar level prospect the way the Twins and Rays did does not mean the Yankees failed. If those prospects don’t pan out, you can make that argument, but only if they don’t pan out and the return we could have gotten for them does pan out.

    It’s far too early to give up on Hughes or Kennedy.

  248. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    It’s also far too early to say Santana would have been good in NY for the length and money he required. It’s not a fair comparison to make to the Twins/Rays trade. They swapped equal value. We would have had to commit a ton of money and years to the player we got in return for several players we control for years at very low money. Not the same thing.

  249. CB May 14th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    “that’s why the youth plan has a built in flaw to it. even when they’re good . you can’t use them much.”

    No. That’s not a problem with the plan – that’s a problem with expectations.

    Expecting rookie players to perform like veterans is not just unrealistic – it’s dreaming.

    It just doesn’t happen.

    Look at a guy like Edwin Jackson – how’d you like to have him on your team now? He’s turning the corner and could be an outstanding pitcher.

    At one time he was Baseball America’s top pitching prospect – at that time Scott Kazmire was #2.

    But it took Jackson 4 year to figure things out.

    And one of the major limits with young pitchers is an inning cap.

    But there is not way around that.

    Would you rather not have Joba on the roster? Becasue that’s the logical conclusion of your statement.

    Unless you are willing to take the bad parts of working with young players you are going to have a very old team.

    That’s the choice.

    Can the yankees wait 4 years for a young pitcher to figure it out and stretch out their innings No.

    But can they wait longer than 6 weeks into the season? Yes.

    But I’m not sure some fans can.

    Yankee fans need to readjust their expectations and understand there is a very new competative climate in baseball.

    Look at teams like The D’Backs and Rays. Those are the teams that are well positioned for the future. They’ve stock piled talent, were patient and are now using it.

    We talk about finding an “ace” and that’s why we had to have santana?

    Well heres a thought for you – in the future the yankees may need 3 #1 caliber starters just to compete in the AL east.

    That’s right – not just 1 #1. But 3.

    Why? Because in the very near future the Rays may develop a rotation that has 3 #1 caliber starters and 2 #2 caliber starters. Boston may have 2 #1 caliber starters and 2 #2 caliber starters. Toronto is going to have at least 3 guys who are at least #1 or #2 starters.

    That’s the competitive landscape in the coming future in this division.

    Unless the Yankees make a real commitment to young pitching right now they will not be competative in the future because they just won’t have the arms.

    They have the young talent. Now it’s a matter of having more than 6 weeks of “patience.”

  250. BB May 14th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

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  251. Jeremy May 14th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    randy l,

    But Young is young! He is only 22 and has played a grand total of one full season. He’s 2 years younger than Garza. Both the Twins and Rays rolled the dice and exchanged a talented young hitter for a talented young pitcher, both of whom have question marks.

    BTW, Young is playing horribly so far.

  252. Y's Guy May 14th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    despite so many ppl’s attempts to do so:

    you cannot rate the outcome of the santana trade till you can assess his value over the whole contract. call me in about 5 years.

    you cannot rate girardi’s performance as yankees manager after 6 weeks. this is in many ways still torre’s team and girardi is adjusting to that. also, even if he wanted to move runners, bunt, etc. his team doesn’t have any players who do that well. he is playing with a team built on power, power and more power.

  253. CB May 14th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    “minnesota traded a pitching prospect in garza ( who is pretty much on hughes’ level) for a delmon young. the twins filled a need. they didn’t just sit on their young players.”

    The Twins so far have plugged absolutely no holes with the Garza – Yound trade.

    None.

    In fact, from your point of view this trade has to be considered a disaster for the twins.

    Delmon Young has not been bad this year for the twins – he’s bee absolutely putrid. One of the worst outfielders in all of baseball.

    Young has a .606 OPS so far this year. That’s the second worst OPS for any corner outfielder in all of baseball.

    The Twins were counting on Young to hit 25-30 Homeruns. That was their entire thinking in making that trade.

    He was the power hitter they lacked.

    Young has 0 HR and has a .299 slugging %. He has a .307 OBP. Thinkg about that he’s a power hitter with a slugging percentage less than .300.

    So by your 6 week standard for judging young players the young trade has been an absolute disaster.

  254. randy l May 14th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    “They aren’t winning right now because of the VETERAN hitters underperforming.”

    well, gee, if that’s the only problem, then this team is going to go to the playoffs because the team will of course start hitting at some point.

    only problem? good one.

  255. CB May 14th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    “well, gee, if that’s the only problem, then this team is going to go to the playoffs”

    where did i say that was the only problem?

    that is the biggest problem and I was referring to right now.

    I’m not sure why you are being so unnecessarily rude and snarky in your posts recently? And its not just today or in this thread.

  256. Jeremy May 14th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    I agree with CB, offense is the team’s biggest problem right now. The offense was supposed to be reliably productive to compensate for our need to rely on untested starters in Hughes and Kennedy. Instead, we are losing winnable games because we can’t buy a hit with RISP.

    If the offense isn’t so bad, we are at least tied with the Sox right now and no one is panicking.

  257. Chris NY May 14th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    This is a very good point – “If the offense isn’t so bad, we are at least tied with the Sox right now and no one is panicking.”

    Our offense has been pathetic but I’d argue it doesn’t even need to have been all that much better for us to be tied for first right now. Last night isn’t the only game where some offense, ANY offense would have won us the game. There have been several games like that. Had we won some, we’d be in first or close to it. The fact that we’re only 4 games out is a miracle and a reason not to throw in the towel already.

  258. Frank Discussion May 14th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    I think CB brought up some excellent points in his 12:05 post. It took Tampa Bay years of wallowing in the basement to assemble this current team, and it certainly looks impressive. They could afford to be patient because they knew they weren’t going to be in contention. Now their patience is paying off.

    I’ll be the first to admit that I’m frustrated with how this team is playing and I’d like to see instant results to the problems we all see. I also realize that isn’t a pragmatic point of view. I’d rather wait it out then lose the talent we’ve been stockpiling in the farm system. There is alot of $$$ coming off the books soon, and that makes the free agent route a bit easier to swallow. The best of both worlds ? That remains to be seen, but it’s nice at least having the options.

  259. randy l May 14th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    cb-
    if young’s stats are a disaster, what are cano’s? the reality is that young is no disaster for the twins. the bigger point is that the twins make some sense when they put a team together. they don’t just hold onto their prospects like they are money in the bank.

    there also was a second baseman , brendan harris in that garza/young trade who’s doing quite nicely at second base. the twins by the way from making trades like this are 20-18 with their fifty million dollar payroll.

    until people quit rehashing the same old cashman plan, the yankees will continue to underperform. i’m not saying fire him, but i’m also not saying just wait for the veteran hitters to kick in like you and he seem to be saying while waiting for kids to develop .

  260. kevin May 14th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    “Anybody else get the idea that this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better?”

    Things will never get better without balance in pitching and hitting, not at all. We passed on the chance to have great pitchers like Santana or Haren but only invested boatload of money on those crap hitters. Even if we get into ALDS this season, how can we beat Angels(Lackey Escobar Santana Saunders Garland) or Indians(Lee Sabathia carmona)…..another first round eliminated season?

  261. Jeremy May 14th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    Thanks Chris NY.

    Just look at our stats with RISP: .248/.336/.390.

    But anyone who has been watching the games doesn’t need to look at those numbers. You’ve felt the frustration of watching the team squander scoring opportunities game after game.

    For the most part, the Yankees have not been blowing leads. They’ve been failing to get a lead to begin with.

  262. Blargh May 14th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    According to the NY Post article, Hank’s actually not mad with the pitching, including the young guys.
    “He praised the work of Chien-Ming Wang, Mariano Rivera and Joba Chamberlain, and said Mike Mussina and Darrell Rasner have done a good job as well. He said the future rotation looks bright with youngsters Chamberlain, the injured Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy and last year’s top pick Andrew Brackman. ”
    So I don’t think that Cashman has to be afraid of anything related to the young pitching.

    Anybody read Verducci’s Power’s out in the AL article today? I was kinda surprised to learn that the NL’s outscoring the AL and that the NL’s average age is lower than the AL’s.

  263. Y's Guy May 14th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    im with randy on this one. this team needs to do some serious remaking this year. choosing one from column A and 2 from column B on the free-agent menu is a complete step back 5 years. havent we learned that alraeady. it seems like most posters here think our saviour is mark teixeira. his shiny new 7 yr/ $150M contract will look just like giambi’s did his first season.

    as i posted before, keeping all your prospects is not a good way to build a team. you have to have good baseball evaluators decide which ones are the keepers and which ones should be moved while they are still hot prospects. THAT was the genius of stick michael that built the last baseball dynasty.

  264. sunny615 May 14th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Brandon (supporting “Alex being Alex”) (J.Santana HR allowed count: 8 )
    May 14th, 2008 at 11:55 am
    “There’s a big difference between playing full time and getting your at bats than just pinch hitting once every 5 days for one at bat. Some players need to be in the game to get a feel for it, other can just show up and hit. Shelley seems to be the former. So just because he’s shown so far he’s a poor pinch hitter, doesn’t mean he’d be a poor starting first baseman (or whatever).”

    what exactly has Shelley done to earn starting time ?
    ————
    raked in AAA as an everyday player maybe? I know it’s not MLB, but it shows he does better when he’s in the game.

  265. Amandla May 14th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    Oh Bronx Born far too logical and rational for this lot. You’d be better served grabbing your torch and following the mob to the town square or trying to figure out how to blame this on Jeter.

  266. Jerkface May 14th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    I can put some blame on Jeter easy. He is walking way less than usual. He is seeing way less pitches than usual. The pitches he is seeing, he isn’t driving. He is throwing worse than usual. While somehow making slightly more defensive plays than usual.

    Jeter right now is a net negative player for us. I’d love to see him move to 1st and let Alberto run wild @ SS.

  267. TKinDC May 14th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    Move Jeter to first?

    I don’t like it – you don’t shame your captain under any circumstances unless you want to undermine him and create open rifts in the clubhouse.

    I feel stupid repeating it but we are 3 games behind the Bosux in the loss column. It isn’t time to panic.

  268. Bryan May 14th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    Shelley Duncan does not have a history of hitting well in the minors. He’s a decent minor leaguer, but at his age, he is simply not going to develop into a major leaguer. A 28 year old is at his peak, the minors are full of guys who are much younger, and are not yet the players they will someday become. This is as good as Duncan gets, and it’s all downhill from here. Duncan’s minor league averages: .258 BA, .339 OBP, .474 SLG.

  269. Y's Guy May 14th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    so sitting giambi for gozalez is going to improve the offense how?

    jeter’s range is an issue in the long term but right now, the guys going out everyday playing and increadibly tough position with a strained quad, giving everything he has, and conplaining not at all. jeter’s defense is WAY down the list of problems to address.

  270. Jerkface May 14th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Jeter has to move somewhere, maybe even as soon as next season. If he isn’t going to hit like Jeter, then he becomes a massive weight on the infield’s back. Jeter might actually be a gold glove caliber 1st baseman if they tried him there, or extremely passable outfielder.

    He IS DEFINITELY one of the worst short stops in the league though. That is a fact. Can’t really be argued.

    I’m not saying ‘PANIC MOVE JETER!!’ What I am saying, is that I’d love for the team to have a plan in place to move Jeter, or even entertain the idea, and in a perfect world, move him somewhere and let Alberto play SS.

    Ever since he got called up this season, he has played with great confidence defensively. Much better than last season and spring training. He is showing off his natural ability.

  271. Jerkface May 14th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Why is playing through injury something to be valued? Jeter’s injury could be sapping his power, and if it is, then its actively hurting the team.

    Once again, I’m not saying move him right now, but that in a perfect world we’d have Alberto at SS.

    Jeters offense is hurting the team though.

  272. Blargh May 14th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    “Why is playing through injury something to be valued?”

    Show of ‘toughness’/’guts’/’manliness’, or such is my understanding based on this society we live in, anyway

  273. Y's Guy May 14th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    jerk, so you think he’s hurting the team now, while he’s injured? so you think he should just sit down for the next 2 weeks NOW! (alot of guys would!) maybe the smarter play is to worry about his injury, not his team but derrick dont roll that way. if things were going well, that might be the right decision but not to play is as alien to jeter as playing in zero gravity. thats why he’s the catain.

  274. gianthinker May 14th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Hank then went on to say,

    “This is going to get turned around,” Steinbrenner said. “If it’s not turned around this year, then it will be turned around next year, by force if we have too.”

    Man, Cashman is NOT coming back. This is his last year with us.

  275. Y's Guy May 14th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    well, then c ya cash man! and thanks for all the good work.

    i wont stoop as low as cashman himself did when he slammed bernie and torre after they left

  276. BB May 14th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

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    Youkillis/salary$3,000,000/Avg0.313/RBI30/HR8/G39/AB150

  277. John May 14th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Ha ha ha… Panicking Yankee fans are funny.

    These are all the fans that were picked up by winning a few championships… It almost wasn’t worth it….

  278. John May 14th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    You people a bunch of children. You can pretty much draw close to zero conclusions after 5 weeks of baseball.

    Get a grip.

  279. sad as it may be May 14th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Opposing pitchers are showing no fear. They know that sacrifice bunts, hit & run, double steal or any other form of run production is virtually non-existent so they wait on the double play to get out of an inning. Why get rattled ?

  280. Kevin May 14th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    I’m not sure if this has already been said, but not only is Girardi not being aggressive (where is that NL style managing we heard about?), but he actually seems to be really comfortable and relaxed. I’m not sure if he for some reason thinks his job is safe, but as far a managerial tenure goes on the Yanks, he’s not safe unless the team performs. We did just get rid Torre after making the playoffs for 12 straight seasons, so yes the bar is set a little high.

    I just want to see some fight, because honestly the overall mood I’m in is dictated by their play, and lately I’ve been really frustrated. It’s not just about W’s & L’s, I just want to see some good baseball.

    This info was shared w/ me this morning by another Yankee fan:

    When trailing after the 1st inning, the Yankees are 2-8.
    When trailing after the 2nd inning…2-8
    3rd inning….1-12
    4th inning….1-16
    5th inning….4-17
    6th inning….1-18
    7th inning….0-17
    8th inning….0-18

    It’s frustrating to watch a game knowing that once they are down a run, they probably won’t come back!

    Please just show some fight and some urgency…..next thing you know we’ll have to make a great comeback like we did last year, then will be burnt out for the playoffs!!

  281. mmx May 14th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    By force? Yes, at least Giambi will not be signed again, I’m pretty sure.

    And when hitters have problem hitting, manager has to use some strategies. And , I see none this year from Girardi yet.

  282. MOBoy May 14th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Love that last quote.That means bye bye to HGH Pettitt and HGHiambi.Fransworth,Pavano,MUssina maybe Kennedy.Man next year will be a good year to get rid of these dead weights.

  283. Albany Joe May 14th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    May 14 2008: 4.5 games out in division; May 14 2007: 8.5 games out.

    I’ll take it

  284. Kevin May 14th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    So, Albany Joe, you’re happy with how they are playing?

    That’s what really matters, not a comparison with a season where we didn’t win the division & got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs!! You are looking at this from an odd perspective. But, I am a U of Albany grad, so I can’t be too hard on you……

  285. Albany Joe May 14th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    With all the injuries and horrible young pitching performances? Certainly. 4.5 games out is definitely manageable.

  286. Albany Joe May 14th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    And I’m not “happy.” I’ll settle for it.

  287. anti-cashman May 14th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    alright, you will settle for losing. now why dont you go root for the marlins, you loser?

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