Lack of offense becomes a topic
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- May
- 14
Yes, the Yankees are missing Jorge Posada and Alex Rodriguez. You can’t take two offensive players like that out of a lineup and expect the same sort of production.
But you can expect more than one run to work with if you’re a pitcher. You could sense the disconnect in a pin-drop quiet clubhouse last night. The pitchers are none too pleased with the hitters.
Chien-Ming Wang: “It’s tough pitching with no runs. It’s surprising because we have good hitters. I got my job done and kept the team close.”
Mariano Rivera: “We have to score some runs and we haven’t done that.”
Joba Chamberlain: “It’s tough right now. Every run against us looks huge.”
Joe Girardi insisted that his team has plenty of energy. “This is a very lively group. This group shows a lot of energy every day,” he said. “That’s what you want and eventually that’s going to pay off.”
But a dispassionate look at the statistics show that the Yankees have scored four runs in the last 24 innings against Bobby Seay, Francisco Cruceta, Matt Garza, Gary Glover, Trever Miller, Edwin Jackson, Dan Wheeler, Troy Percival and J.P. Howell.
Compared to the Rays, the Yankees look a softball team at the senior center.
“I feel like their energy is definitely more than ours,” Hideki Matsui said.
It’s May 14 and they’re only 4.5 games out of first place. They were 8.5 out on May 14 last season and made the playoffs without much drama.
But Girardi needs to find that button to get his team going before a little bump becomes a brick wall.
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I was at the game on Monday night, & there is no doubt that the team seems flat. A Rod on Tues will be just what the Dr ordered.
The attendance was just under 14K, what do the Rays have to do to get some fan support? Pretty pathetic.
Is Wang pissed, surprsing!
The term “softball team” is really getting a work out in the New York area.
First, Nelson Figueroa calls the Nationals a “softball team” for hootin’ and hollerin’ during the game, and now Peter compares the Yankee bats to a “softball team at the senior center.”
Softball teams everywhere are offended.
Softball teams would score more runs then the Yanks have so far. The pot better stop calling the kettle black.
I HATE GIRARDI!!! He has to find a way how to score.
“The pitchers are none too pleased with the hitters.”
Neither are the fans. These games have been frustrating to watch as the Yankees are getting shut down by pitchers they should be able to hit. A one run lead seems insurmountable to this team right now. I realize they are missing Alex and Jorge, but they should still be able to score some runs.
A-Rod returning next week can be part of the solution but he still only gets 1 out of every 9 at bats. More than 1 guy should be expected to provide offense.
Yes, he will lengthen the line-up and change its dynamic but getting a little offensive momentum before his return would be a good thing in so many ways. Not the least of which is Alex trying to hit 5 run HR’s every at bat won’t be a good thing for the team.
I think the button might be sweets. Let them get their sugar rushes!
Amazing only 4.5 back! This could have been our team for the season if we did not resign ARod and Posada. We’ll get ‘em tomorrow (or the next day) !
although we get a-rod back, we’re pretty much doing the same 500 baseball without him. I mean, wasn’t he like 2-23 w/runners in scoring position. Those numbers aint gonna do nothing when he gets back. Hopefully he’s real healthy and ready to hit some bombs. I think the double plays are really whats killing us, and the lack of moving runners along the bases. It really kills an inning… hopefully it’ll be solved soon.
Lets go Yankeess!!!
No Cy Young pitcher will get a win if his team scores nothing for him.
I got the bottom here it is. tell Cano to think when his is at bat, stop lunging at the ball. tell abreu to have some guts and stop bailing out on every left hander and while you are at it get some courage to go need the wall on defense.
giambi, there is something call left field and 3b, look there once in a while when you are at bat. don’t get cocky because you are hot at bat at presently because you are still hitting under 200, anything under 250 is unacceptable.
Molina think like you are the catcher calling the pitches when you are up and worse case scenario hit a weak fly ball to RF, never hit the ball on the ground.. Ensberg everyone knows you can hit a fastball so assume they will never throw you one, and I can go on and on..Damon get some damn new bats and try not to get jammed every other pitch.
Jeter take the first pitch every AB when the pitcher has thrown 10 or less pitches that inning before your AB…
this team is offensively challenged and blaming it on 2 regulars being out is BS… Again Posada should only play 5 days a week so they should be without him 2 games a week, obviously this just shows how important Arod is to this team and that is too bad becuase there are at least 6 other position players making over $13 mill., that should give $ back to the organization because they have been stealing.
The pen is much better this yr. and that is a good thing.. The starting has been decent not terrible and Wang looks like he is a top tier pitcher now.. BTW if he keeps it up if that is possible Cliff Lee is starting the all star game the guy has a .070 ERA, that is unfathomable…
Kyle( Iknow this will ome back to haunt me ) has pithed well, so has Joba, and Mo. there pen is much deeper then last yr. The AG looks like a decent backup, that is the list of positives so far this yr. Melky is doing fine but 6th is not his place in the order in my opinion.
Cox, melancon, abeldajo, and others gives them many good additional arms for the pen, with upside..Karstens stinks and when he comes back you will all see that so his loss is irrelevant, Bruney looked to have figured things out but again the pen is solid with or without him..
Just imagine if the Yanks had Konerko at first over Giambi. Konerko has a bad contract but much better then Giambi, he is a 3 times better fielder, gives them some righty power, and even though he is hitting like 220 is hitting 30 points higher then the giambino..again why no hate for giambino he has been a utter boat anchor around this franchise for at least the last 4 yrs……..
This Clueless Joe is worse than previous Clueless Joe.
Did Wang really say “I got my job done”? Who’s doing his translating, Mussina?
Nobody loves the guy more than me, but anytime he feels like pointing fingers he should go back and replay those two bit-spit specials he dropped on us in the ALDS last year.
It’s a team game, grasshopper. Keep the frustration under your hat.
I have GREAT news everyone!!
I consulted the magic 8 ball
“Will the Yankees win the world series this year?” and it said….
Most Likely
It’s frustrating to watch because they’re not even getting the “sure runs”. Twice we had man on third with with 1 out and they can’t even get a fly out to score!
We should have won this game…
I think the Yankees need to work at getting back to having better at bats. Too many are swinging at first pitches and grounding out. Once in a while we are seeing some good at bats that run the counts full or at least have the pitcher throwing more than 5 pitches.
Have some base running going on. I can’t believe the lack of attempts to steal bases. It seems the get thrown out and never attempt another steal.
Bobby Abreu is not doing well at the plate. You see him watching pitches go by and its 0-2 counts far too often.
What concerns me right now is lefty pitchers own the Yankees almost outright. The Yankees are going to be facing something like 4 in a row now. What is the solution?
They need to decide what they are going to do with Shelly. Either play him more to have his bat start working or send him down. While I love the energy he has, he isn’t getting playing time. Same with Ensberg. It seems he is being left out. I don’t have a problem with it other than he is then taking up a spot that is too valuable.
Too many pitchers on the 25 man roster is hurting things as well. Unfortunately, with the pitchers being worn out from lack of run support they need the arms.
I worry that this lack of offense is going to get to the pitchers. You can’t keep pitching shutouts. It starts getting to the pitchers that they have to pitch perfect or they lose. That is the same problem the Blue Jays are going to have, and it wrecks the pitching.
A-Rod getting back will be a little help, but the others aren’t producing much. That is a bigger problem, and Girardi needs to figure it out quickly.
randyhater,
I felt the same way about the supposedly quote of Wang’s. It sounds like finger pointing after a loss, which is not what you want to see.
However, I highly doubt Wang will say something like that. In fact I doubt that Wang even said that exactly sentence given that he can’t really string two English words together. Even if Wang did say that, I doubt he really means it in a negative way.
I think it’s just a case of misunderstanding or bad translation. It’s tough for a non-native English speaker to speak what he means. I think we should cut him some slack.
Alan
randyhater you are correct. the O stinks that is true but our pitchers are not exactly koufax and drysdale so they should calm down and if they want to complain do it behind closed doors.
they still have 7/9 of there supposed every day lineup so there production is inexcusable.
Look at the Angels they just find away to win, the Yanks do not find ways to win but ways to lose, hopefully that is a early season phenomenon but good teams just find a way.. Tell me 1 game this year where they found away and did not win because they should have, you need to win some games you have no right to win, that actually is the most meaningful point so far this yr. that they have not been able to find the way, when they pitch they hit just enough to lose and vice a versus…
another thing I am amazed at is the lack of the running game. last yr. they were like 3rd in the league in SB’s but this yr. they are doing nothing. IS that because of the reduced OBP%? They do not steal runs, not literllay by the SB but singles, a Sb or a scarifice, and a bloop etc.. they are a station to station team. the 1 big improement in the sux this yr. is they can get cheap runs because they have 4 guys who can run.. there pitching is not as good as last yr. but they have much more speed, the yanks so far are snails..
A major shake up is needed.
I know all the puppy dog fans in here love to preach patience, but there is no doubt that this team as presently constituted is an overcooked group of millionaires who are all slaves to the home run and the walk.
All the pressure is now even more on Arod when he returns and we all know what that pressure usually does to him.
You can tell me that Matsui and Damon are our best offensive players and I’ll tell you there is a chemistry problem on this team of major proportions.
We’ve been watching it up close for a few years now, but there’s always been enough left in the tank to sprint to the finish to keep the microscope unfocused on this team.
It’s chemistry folks. We have great hitters. We should be scoring runs w/o Arod, but there is some factor on this team that is hurting it.
If it’s old age, then it’s time for the geezers to go. Matsui and Damon have some trade value, so trade them. Get some young legs to run around on the basepaths and in the field.
Doubles and triples are so rare on this team it’s sad.
Cashman must act soon.
You want to do something bold, call SF and offer Igawa, Giambi and Damon for Barry Zito and what’s left on his contract. See if you can get them to pay off what’s left on Pavano and take him too. It’s not a talent exchange. It’s a money deal.
Then bring up Gardner and put him in LF and bat him 9th.
Make Jeter the leadoff hitter. His power is shot. His only value to this offense is that he can get on base and run a little.
If not Jeter, then let Melky take a crack leading off.
Then I would do the one thing that most people would hate, but I’d sign Bonds for the rest of the year and let him bat behind Arod as DH.
If Garnder can’t hack it in the majors, we have Matsui who would DH until Bonds was game ready.
That’s my armchair fix the Yankees plan. I know it’s out there and people hate Bonds and wouldn’t want Zito even though SF would be eating tons of money and we’d be getting Zito for 1/2 price.
It’s obvious though that something needs to be done. This is one of the hardest Yankee teams to watch. You don’t see them battling. You see them surrendering.
jennifer,
Are you around? QVC’s got Greg Nettles hosting a Yankee themed show.
The problem is hunger.
I just think it’s hard to succeed with a team full of older guys making tons of money.
I’m sure none of them are sitting around festering about how the team is playing tonight. You think Jeter, Abreu, or Damon is sitting around worried about the team?
Not saying they don’t want to win, just that it isn’t what drives them anymore.
randyhater:
Let me try to reconstruct what could really happen on Wang’s interview:
Reporter: Is it tough to pitching with no run support?
Wang: Yes.
Reporter: Are you surprised that it happened as we have good hitters?
Wang: A little bit.
Reporter: What do you feel when you pitch this game? Do you think your job is to keep the team close?
Wang: Yes. I tried.
Had you ever listened to his post-game interview, it was like this
Bob,
You hit the nail right on the head.
I’ve been saying this for a couple of years now, but the way Jeter jokes around and smiles with opposing players looks like he’s closer to having a pillow fight on the field than showing any actual fight.
Damon, Matsui, Abreu, Giambi, Cano all have their financial futures completely guaranteed so they have nothing to lose.
This is why I think the chemistry is messed up and the less multi millionaires that show up in the clubhouse the better.
We need more young guys who look at Arod and Jeter and their contract status and their cache and say, “I’m willing to do whatever it takes to get that”.
One of the worst moves Cashman made in a long line of bad moves of late was giving Cano financial security. If there were ever a player who ownership should have known had to sing for his supper and have the carrot dangled in front of his head, it’s Cano.
I wonder if it’s no accident that Cano gets the money and stinks up the opening months of the season and the best 2 young guys on the team, Wang and Melky are still getting contracts renewed at lower levels are performing above their levels.
Just a thought.
hiei81,
I think you’re spot on there.
Alan
Pete,
How come the NY Media is being so patient with Girardi? He’s been a disaster in every aspect besides the pen so far. He’s handled the pen well, but that’s it. He won’t play small ball, won’t put guys in motion to make things happen, keeps sitting on his hands waiting for the 3 run homer. Example, 1st and 3rd, 1 out for Gonzalez. Why the hell isn’t something on? Hit and run, squeeze, anything. Instead he treats Gonzalez like ARod and is waiting for a 3 run homer. If he was aggressive, we’d have gotten a run out of that. Instead it’s an easy DP. He’s not hitting and running in obvious hit and run counts, like tonight Damon at 1st Jeter 2-1 count, nothing. He should take a lesson from Maddon that you don’t always have to have the fastest guys to be aggressive on the bases. How many stolen bases does Gomes have in the last couple games?
to randyhater: I think ”I got my job done” means ”All I can do is to PITCH” don’t misunderstand.
Far be it for me to judge Girardi, but when you see such a lackluster offensive effort, trying to get something started with a hit and run now and then sounds like a good idea…
It would be a good change of pace, regardless of the outcome…I mean, what have they got to lose?
Pathetic!
Yankees lead MBL the most runners on scoring position but can’t score. If I owned the ballclub, I would be furious and shamed to die. What a team is this, depending on one reliable starting pitcher who has been challenged in arbitration, and having those “stars” getting easy money unproductively.
The hitting coach, Steven Long should be replaced.
Go take a look at how the hitters in Japanese professional baseball league score a run, when runners on scoring positions.
Everyone in the line-up just think of homerun, ending up swing strikes all the time.
Shame on Yankees.
Wang doesn’t have any run support in his last 18 innings. His RS (run support) in this season is 3.97. (Hernandez is 7.96, Hudson is 5.40, Webb is 6.91 and Zambrano is 6.39, Lee is 4.36, Santana is 6.26, Saunders is 4.64, Cook is 4.69 and Matsuzak is 6.61) The lowest of 6 wins pitchers.
plz wake up!!
Wang is good today,
But all of better can’t score over than 1,
GO!
I think batter will help all of pithcer for wins,
Wang , Pettite ,Mussina even more…
G. Love, that post gave me a good laugh.
While they are trading Damon and Matsui, getting Bonds and Zito, maybe they can trade the whole team. That sounds like a great idea, not.
You want the Yankees to make a trade for the pitcher who is the biggest bust in the history of modern baseball? Are you on something? Barry Zito makes the “Igawa bust” look like a tad of a mistake compared to what the Giants did.
Anyway, about your A-Rod comments. You’re talking about taking possibly the best baseball player in baseball history out of a lineup. You don’t think that makes a huge difference? I couldn’t care less what he was doing before he got hurt, the bottom line is he’s a force to be reckoned with and he turns a pretty sad lineup to an above average lineup. Get Posada back, and you have an outstanding lineup. But let’s not pretend that A-Rod isn’t a major factor in this lineup. Are you forgetting that this single-handedly kept the Yankees season alive last year?
Your whining is pathetic to be honest. Now we’re mad at Jeter? Please find me the other clutch .305 hitting shortstops in the American League that are better than old man Jeter. Good luck with that.
So please, just stop, your post made me nauseous. To sum it up: The Yankees are 4.5 games out of first place and for most of the season they’ve been missing their all-star catcher, possibly the greatest player of all time and reining MVP, and we should be worried???? Are you kidding? You’re looking at this scenario and suggesting they try to get Bonds and Zito? All this team needs to do is get a healthy A-Rod, a healthy Posada, and a Joba in the rotation and they are set. And stop with the Cano balogne. He’ll be fine. Part of the problem with him is the Yankees are missing two of their best hitters to make up for Cano’s slow start.
Maybe Joe should schratch the DH and have pitchers hitting ninth. That way, they have the obligation to score runs themselves, and have no rights to complain about run support. Either u hit the game winning HR and score the only run in the game, or u don’t. That’s what I call “plain and simple….”
If Barry Zito can’t get NL hitters out - how in the hell is he going to get AL hitters out?
Great idea. Get rid of Giambi because of the money he’s making (and will be gone next season anyways) in favor of a guy making $100M+ and has 5 1/2 years left on his contract.
There’s a reason why the average IQ drops significantly when reading this board after a Yankee loss.
And by the way, chemistry is overrated. The fact of the matter is winning = chemistry.
People only talk about how bad the chemistry is when they lose. It’s not even a part of the conversation when they win.
It’s a stupid argument. Always has been.
Take away any other team’s two best hitters from a year ago and see how their offense reacts - especially when one of those guys is the best player in the game and the other is one of the top catchers in the game.
If you want to jump off the ledge - be my guest.
who the hell are all these people blogging, I’ve never seen probably 8 of you that are writing here in the past 2 years.
Anyway I don’t understand how people can blame Girardi, oh yeh it’s his fault we went into the 11th inning and loss 2-1, if anything it’s the players like Duncan,Giambi,Damon,Cano,Abreu …alot of them we’ve went through it w/ Damon and Giambi they are on borrowed time, Damon wanted to retire last season and looks like he lost that hunger that he once had, Giambi is a waste of what he was, Cano is going through what he always does the m.i.a. bat, it’s a weird mix and our “captain” needs to step up.
Right now all we can do is hold down the fort.
So, you’re saying chemistry is the issue and you want the Yankees to add Bonds? Wow, he’s a real stand-up guy in the clubhouse.
I love how everyone is ready to blow this team up in the second week in May. All you arm-chair GMs would make it great in the big leagues. You see the team struggle and your first reactions are panic, knee-jerk roster moves that make no sense — financially and talent-wise — and frustration. The only reaction that makes sense is frustration.
Before we trade the entire roster for Barry Zito or sign a steroid abuser facing indictment, why don’t we let this team get it’s main offensive piece in the lineup.
You want to know what the problem is offensively, all you have to so is look at Cano and Giambi hitting below .200 and Molina’s bat being overexposed. That’s practically three automatic outs every time through the lineup. Take into account nobody is going to go 3 for 4 every night, and the rest of the outs show up.
If this team is hitting the same in July, then I’ll start to panic.
David,
All Arod and Posada will add is more sitting and waiting for home runs to win the game.
Stop making excuses for Cano. Please. It’s pathetic. The guy has been a shell of himself this year. His lack of hitting is not because of what’s missing from the lineup, it’s because he’s tense/not prepared/sated, pick a reason. He stinks at the plate right now.
He’s exactly the same hitter he was this time last season which is pathetic.
Jeter may be hitting .300, but it’s the softest .300 I’ve seen. I think he’s a little too much the ambassador of the game these days and not the driving force he once was.
You want Giambi and and Damon everyday, then continue with them and go down with the ship. You get one good performance from each of them every 4 games. Maybe.
They may show flashes, but they will not be consistent enough to give this team what it needs with or without Arod and Posada.
As for Zito and Bonds, why not? They both have something to prove and SF and getting Zito for .50 on the dollar is a better risk than running Igawa or Karstens out there.
Brian Cashman has done a horrendous job assembling this team. Some of it is George’s fault and a lot of it is Cashman’s.
It’s mid May. The offense stinks. The kid pitchers in the rotation plan stunk. We still have no 1b. We can’t drive a runner in with a bus pass. Stolen bases are just for the other team to enjoy and use.
The chemistry is off. You can sit there and play the waiting game all you want, but if they don’t inject something into this lineup that embodies energy and fire, it’s going to be a long frustrating season.
I’m stupid because I want Giambi and Igawa out of town for Zito? Because I think Bonds is a better DH than Giambi?
Both of my points aren’t so outlandish.
What’s outlandish is making excuses for an offense that can’t score against the Rays and looks like they are mailing in their May games because they think the games don’t count until July.
We’ve seen where that has gotten us the past few years.
g love, with the comedy. Cano is a shell of himself. wow the season is 25% over the guy is 25, ever hear of a slump.. Cano is not my favorite and he often infuraites me but be real.. All fans act like the players don’t care, since they smile and do not self flagelate themselves, baseball is a hard game mentally if they beat themselves up every time they make a mistake they would kill themselves.
Bonds has 12 indictments(rel or BS0 they are not signing a 41 yr old, slow, potential criminal who runs slightly faster then the great giambino.
gimbino’s bounty comes off the books this yr. so it only seems to be sound business to add zito and his (pavon + igawa= 3 other terrible contracts) to the yankee books…
I like moving some of the old, slow crap, but not for more crap..
I am really disappointed at yankees hitters.
Chien-Ming Wang: “It’s tough pitching with no runs. It’s surprising because we have good hitters. I got my job done and kept the team close.”
Pete,
As a Taiwanese, I highly doubt wang said that. Wang never said anything negative about his teammates …..some mistakes in the translation?
Stu,
I am mostly kidding. I was just throwing them out there as examples until David ticked me off. There’s not much available right now that doesn’t come with a rap sheet at this point in the season.
I agree with the not getting more crap, it’s just this team is frustrating to watch.
I know Cano is going to hit .320 by seasons end. It still doesn’t make up for the fact that his taking the 1st half of the season off again potentially doesn’t have a residual effect on this team and it’s won/loss record.
When guys like Arod, Jeter and Posada go down, Cano should be enough of a pro by now to step up and provide something. He shouldn’t only be effective when the rest of the lineup is rolling.
I think a lot of people in the organization thought he was going to be a #3 type hitter this year and now they can’t even bat him ahead of Melky.
And yes, I want Giambi off the team and the books desperately and I think Damon, who I was rooting hard for earlier this season, also needs to go.
The two of them just seem not to be cohesive parts of the team.
Every pitcher against Yankee hitters looks like ace. Isn’t fastball easy for MLB bombers? I agree with your point, lack of offence is the problem, it’s just not possible every pitcher can outduel Wang.
Hope the hitters recover from the slump, or the season is over for yankees.
What’s the problem with yankees?
Without A-Rod,the hitters can’t score for the team.
hey chiu, i don’t think theres anything offensive about the comment Wang made. I saw some comments he made from TVB, just what was translated.
Whenever Wang gets a win, he always - and I mean, ALWAYS - credits it to his teammates. But whenever he loses or doesn’t pitch well, he always says it was his own fault because he did not do his job. And this is to the Taiwanese media.
It is unlikely that he’d say anything even close to what Pete quoted up there to American journalists.
Baseball is a teamwork. Wang did his job, and others should have done their job, too. What’s wrong with what Wang said? It doesn’t sound offensive to me at all. Besides, considering his performance, it would be inhuman if Wang still blamed himself for the loss. That said, it does not mean he blamed others for the loss.
Please don’t insult me by challenging that quote. When I quote somebody it’s exactly what they said.
Beyond that, it’s on tape.
Wang speaks English just fine and knew exactly what he said. He has allowed 4 ERs in his las 14 innings and has no wins. The Yankees went after him for $600,000 in arbitration by harping on the stats.
Now he’s 6-1 and should be 8-0 and has 2 years of arbitration left. So excuse him if he’s paying attention to the stats. Randy Levine made it clear to him that stats matter.
I think Peter just condense what Wang said. I also think Peter condense what Mo and Joba said as well.
This is what Wang said to Taiwanese media after game. I got this from Taiwanese news.
“My job is pitching.”" Every time I am on the mound, I try to keep score close and give my team a chance to win.”"As a pitcher, it’s all I worry about. It is useless to worry something else.”
“Of course, it’s tough for me without run support, but it’s impossible to expect them to score tons of runs for me every time out”"We have a lot of good hitters. I don’t worry about them at all. They will get off their slump very soon”
“My command is not very good today. I threw too many balls and gave up too many free passes” “I think the reason for throwing too many balls is I need to pay attention on my leg kick when Rays hitters are on base because they steal a lot of bases”
So, I don’t think there is anything wrong with Peter’s quote. Basically, what Peter’s quote is exactly the same what Wang said to Taiwanese media. Wang did said it’s tough to pitch without run support, but he didn’t blame anyone. Don’t read into too much.
I find nothing nothing wrong with what Wang had said.
It’s a fact that he didn’t get run support. People are just so sensitive these days…
When Wang explain the reason he threw too many balls(because he need to lower this leg kick when runners on base,He is afraid of stealing bases for obvious reasons.You can tell it’s tough for pitchers to pitch when they know they are not going to get a lot of run support.
Well said,Peter. That’s why I don’t understand why Yankees go after Wang for that $600,000 when you have a great player who is a team player and doesn’t care about his personal stats too much. What a way to remind him how important personal stats is.
Duncan looked stressed. Send him back to minor league until he finds his way and hit the ball hard. He has no confidence now.
For Christ’s sake, can somebody get the snacks and candy bars for the players. Why the hell took them away in the first place???
It’s a shame that Wang didn’t get a win last night (or the game before). And it’s down right gross that Randy Levine went after him for $600k. To think Giambi makes $21,000,000 this year that’s more than 5 times more than Wang makes is just insane.
It’s tough pitching with no runs. That’s true.
It’s surprising because we have good hitters. That’s true.
Why there’s somebody blame on Wang? This guy deserve a win.
We are the yankees, we should score more and more.
They don’t afraid of us anymore, cause we don’t hit the ball hard anymore.
Keep yourself together and let them know we’re the YANKEES!
Why were people getting on Wang? He didn’t say he wants to rip off Giambi’s head or anything. He is doing his job pitching well and we have issues scoring 1 run? I would be a little upset
Wang did got his job done. Other players, especially those hitters, did their job done? Now, Wang might want to pitch in the NL. At least, he can score by himself!!
BTW, Hank got mad again! This time I am with him. Cuz what he said is what I thought!!
“Why were people getting on Wang? He didn’t say he wants to rip off Giambi’s head or anything. He is doing his job pitching well and we have issues scoring 1 run? I would be a little upset”
Wang has the right to be upset. He is doing his job and the Yanks have scored 4 or less in 6 of his 9 starts. Stops there though. Yanks are getting less than 6 IP per start in rotation spots 2-5. That’s as much a recipe for not winning as not hitting is.
The offense has been like this all season. This isn’t anything new. A-Rod and Posada aren’t going to magically fix the problems.
randyhater
I suggest you pick up the book On the Black. It follows Mussina through last year.
Peter,
No. You didn’t misquote them. But you did left out stuff and single out setence to make your point. Mo, for example, said a lot more on YES postgame, including blaming himself. But of course that was omitted to make the point you wanted to make. You don’t care what this do to a player’s image and it isn’t the first time either.
get the candies and ice creams back. everybody, cool down.
Cut Giambi and let Duncan actually play!!!!!!!!!
If you have a runner on first with no out and Molina stepping up, that’s about a bunt situation as any. I’m sure that guy can bunt. Instead, he swings at the second pitch for a double play. Managing like that is pretty pathetic.
Sorry, that above comment was about something that happened in game 1 of this series. It was the third inning and Yanks were down 1-0. Admittedly, Girardi is playing with a shallow and slow bench. But he is the manager and the buck stops with him. Injuries and all that stuff are all secondary. The Yanks have to manufacture runs.
How about getting rid of Morgan Ensberg to start with and signing Barry Bonds at DH? That’ll get this offense going. And can you imagine a back to back Barry and ARod in the middle of our order? Forget about it, we’d destroy everyone.
I think the Zito trade idea is ridiculous! Yeah, take on a guy with 5 more terrible years left on a terrible contract. That makes sense. Giambi will b gone after this year. Damon could be traded. Igawa maybe too. His contract isn’t bad. I do think bringing up Gardner is a good idea. Maybe he is the spark plug this offense needs. Get on base, a guy who can steal bases and force the issue.
Right on, Pete!
I love Wang and I love how he went into ST with a mission and stepped up his game. I was angry when I heard the Yanks hem & haw over 600K when all Wang as done since coming on this team is win 19 games a year. The injustice of paying $46M for Igawa is criminal.
You know this team is in trouble when Wang & Matsui are speaking up and speaking truth!
The comment Wang made doesn’t seem like he is blaming his team. In fact, what Wang said is true! It doesn’t take much to figure out that it is hard to pitch without run support. Unlike Beckett who does get run support, Boston lost 4-5 last night. Wang did keep the game close, which is his job. Not only Wang, but I and countless others are surprised that a 200 million roster cannot muster up more than 1 run in two consecutive games.
Also keep in mind that eventhough Wang might understand English, he is still a foreigner and I am sure he is unable to express himself as well as a native speaker. The media is particularly good at taking quotes and reconstructing them to fit their own means. Unless, Wang constantly bashes his team, which he does not, take that quote with a grain of salt.
Wang always is RIGHT !
>Peter,
>No. You didn’t misquote them. But you did left out stuff and >single out setence to make your point. Mo, for example, said >a lot more on YES postgame, including blaming himself. But of >course that was omitted to make the point you wanted to make. >You don’t care what this do to a player’s image and it isn’t >the first time either.
I agreed! Peter, I think you need to be away from all those stupid Taiwanese media. That’s the way they did; They will try to twist your word, misquote, fate report, untrue story… remember how Wang rejected to be interviewed by Taiwanese media last year? They are just piece of shxts in my options.
Some Yankee fans are being hyperbolic at another site in the comments section, saying that the Yankees, after these past few games, are “officially the worst team in the league”.
Let me assure you from where I am out on the West Coast, the Yankees are definitely NOT the worst team in the league. Not by a long shot. They may be in the most competitive division at this point in time, though.
Like a lot of people keep saying in counterpoint to the whiners, though, it’s a long season and there’s a lot of warm weather baseball to be played. It’ll slow down some teams, and speed up some others. Probably this one, too.
I do believe Wang said that, but not in a complaint way, it is not his personality.
When he was interviewed by Taiwanese media in the past,he always kept himself from
offending others:coaches,teammates or opposite hitters ,he is cautious
about it.So I don’t think he meant to blame anyone.Not to say he was speaking
English when he was not expressing himself completely well.
I saw his interview with Yes TV the other day and to tell the truth his English is not
fluent at all, he can only express what he want to say in a few words,that means he can not express his words thoroughly.Maybe he was nervous or something, we are not sure.But I am sure he was not expressing himself as well as he did in Mandarin.
In his interview in Mandarine with Taiwanese media yesterday, he didn’t blame the hitters,he said :you can not always expect hitters to get a lot of runs for you,what you can do
is to keep the game close.”And what he said about” it’s tough to pitch with no runs support,he means his commend was not very good today and he need to pitch very carefully, when there were runners on base,he can not pitch with his leg elevating the way he wanted (when did the stretch),because that will allow the runners run a lot more (he was very cautious Rays are good runners).That’s what he wanted to say about “it’s tough to pitch with no run support.”
I don’t think he blamed the hitters at all,he knows they are in slump now and he believe that they will come through soon,because he knows they are all good hitters.