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Game 43: Mets at Yankees

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc, Podcast on May 17, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

YANKEES
Damon LF
Abreu RF
Jeter SS
Matsui DH
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Gonzalez 3B
Moeller C
Pettitte LHP

METS
Reyes SS
Church RF
Wright 3B
Beltran CF
Alou LF
Delgado 1B
Easley DH
Schneider C
Castillo 2B
Santana LHP

Andy Pettitte (3-4, 4.40) against the Mets hitters.

Johan Santana (4-2, 3.10) against the Yankees hitters.

Back later with updates.

* * * * * * * * * * A-ROD REHAB UPDATE * * * * * * * * * *

12:05 p.m.: In St. Petersburg, Fla., A-Rod played in an extended spring training game. facing David Price of the Rays (the LHP taken first in the 2007 draft), he was 1 for 4. Here’s the breakdown:

* Struck out swinging

* First pitch home run to right center

* Fly to right

* Walked in five pitches

* Struck out looking

A-Rod also handled three grounders without trouble. He’ll play two more of these games and should be ready to go on Tuesday.

UPDATE, 12:09 p.m.: Dellin Betances pitched for Charleston last night. His line: 6 0 1 0 3 8. The River Dogs lost 3-1.

Betances on the season: 4-3, 3.26. 47 innings, 27 hits (!), 32 walks, 57 strikeouts.

Brian Cashman said they want to keep Betances and Zach McAllister (5-2, 2.20) in the Sally League all season. Betances turned 20 in March. McAllister is 19.

UPDATE, 12:17 p.m.: Here’s Joe Girardi’s pre-game press conference. He had some interesting comments about Joba Chamberlain. He admitted there was a chance that the right-hander would stay in the bullpen.

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Brian Cashman wouldn’t touch the question. I personally believe they have a hard-and-fast plan to move him this season. We shall see.

UPDATE, 12:22 p.m.: Forget to mention this, but I had a chance to meet Rebecca last night. If you read the comments section on the blog, Rebecca is one of our most prolific and best writers and it was nice to talk to her. She was at the game with her brother.

I should write this more often, but it has been a real pleasure to meet so many people at different stadiums.

UPDATE, 12:24 p.m.: Here’s the Brian Cashman audio from today. We tried to get him to talk about Joba to no avail.

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UPDATE, 1:06 p.m.: I like looking at the fans during the national anthem to see what jerseys people are wearing.

The Subway Series is neat. You see one person with a Jeter jersey next to his buddy in a Reyes jersey. I saw a couple right below the press box. The guy had on a Joba authentic jersey and his girlfriend (or wife) was wearing Santana.

The players get a little weary of the Subway Series because of the hype and the extra attention. I personally think it should be three games instead of six. It’s not fair to the teams that they beat each other up while their division rivals are playing easier foes.

But it’s still a cool event no matter how many games it is and it’s great for baseball.

UPDATE, 1:15 p.m.: It would appear the big lefty came to pitch today. 13 pitches / 11 strikes, three whiffs. He needs to be on his game because that lefty of the Mets knows his business.

Santana is a six or seven inning pitcher, however. The Yankees need to make him work and get into the Mets bullpen.

UPDATE, 1:25 p.m.: Jeter has now hit safely in 16 straight games against the Mets. He is 95 of 248 (.383) against them for his career.

He hit a homer. Guess that means he hits cleanup tomorrow.

UPDATE, 1:35 p.m.: The answer is Moises Alou.

The question is whether there is anybody in the big leagues slower than The Big G.

Petttitte, meanwhile, has fanned five of the seven batters he has faced.

UPDATE, 1:59 p.m.: It looked on the replay that Damon was safe. Given how the Yankees are struggling to score (and they’re up 2-0), that’s a good send by Bobby Meacham.

UPDATE, 2:11 p.m.: It’s happening again to Andy Pettitte. He is cruising along and suddenly he gives up a big inning. He’ll be doing well here to escape with the score tied.

UPDATE, 2:19 p.m.: Well, Pettitte had a chance to escape and he walked the No. 8 hitter. The Mets are trying to bait him into a balk.

If he walks Castillo, I think they have to take him out.

UPDATE, 2:23 p.m.: Well, that’s certainly a tough break for Pettitte. Now he’s got to deal with Reyes.

UPDATE, 2:26 p.m.: It could have been worse given that the Mets left the bases loaded. The question now is whether the scuffling Yankees offense can score another run. Two has been their limit lately.

UPDATE, 2:46 p.m.: Santana has retired eight straight and 13 of 16 since Jeter’s home run. Worse, the Yankees are making it easy on him by failing to work the count. He has thrown only 61 pitches.

Meanwhile, I’m a little surprised Pettitte was sent back out for the sixth inning with 103 pitches under his belt.

UPDATE, 2:58 p.m.: You understand what Jeter is trying to do there. But running on Beltran’s arm is never smart.

Meanwhile, that was a 10-pitch inning for Santana. The last six hitters in the lineup are 0 for 12 with a walk.

The Yankees have scored eight runs in their last 48 innings. It’s amazing.

UPDATE, 3:05 p.m.: Just a matter of when the real Kyle Farnsworth returned to town. Close game, home run. Down two in the seventh inning might as well be 20 the way the Yankees are hitting.

UPDATE, 3:10 p.m.: And that’s your ballgame. Only question now is whether Farnsworth throws at somebody. I’d say it’s 50-50.

Willie Randolph is safe, at least for a couple of days. The New York heat shifts to Joe Girardi now.

UPDATE, 3:43 p.m.: If you’re a Mets fan, don’t you have to be concerned that Santana has allowed 11 home runs in 60 innings?

He has given up 41 over his last 279 innings.

UPDATE, 4:06 p.m.: The Yankees bullpen today: 3 6 4 4 2 2 and 2 HRs. Pettitte gets the loss but Farnsworth and Chamberlain deserve a share.

Meanwhile, the Yankees are on a pace to score 667 runs — 301 fewer than last season. Granted, the sample is skewed by the absence of A-Rod and Posada. But, still, it speaks to how poorly they have been playing.

UPDATE, 4:17 p.m.: That really is your ballgame. The Yanks are 20-23 and 5.5 out pending the Rays-Cards game.

Back later with some reaction.

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1,186 Responses to “Game 43: Mets at Yankees”

  1. Kevin May 17th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Same line-up as what yesterday would have been…odd

  2. The Golden Thong May 17th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    Cano is wearing me today.

  3. jj May 17th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    Andy will match
    santana. Put it in the bank

  4. The Golden Thong May 17th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/05.....111139.htm

  5. whozat May 17th, 2008 at 9:55 am

    “Same line-up as what yesterday would have been…odd”

    Why? It’s still the same pitcher on the mound.

  6. Kevin May 17th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    Good point whozat. I would of guessed with Girardi’s creativity he would have made a new line-up for today.

  7. bubba May 17th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Five of the first six are lefties? Is Santana more susceptible to left handed batters than most left handed pitchers?

  8. 2008 Yankees May 17th, 2008 at 10:02 am

    Same deal as when Kazmir pitched….without Arod and Posada, there isn’t much you can do with this lineup.
    If Melky was HOT, then I’d say move him up to break up the lefty brigade.

  9. DLev May 17th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    Melky had two hits last game. This year that counts as torrid.

  10. Scooter May 17th, 2008 at 10:15 am

    Not trying to excuse the Yankees’ performance but the Rays were brilliant again yesterday proving they can play with anybody. That one victory against them this week almost seems like a big accomplishment.

  11. NYPD113th May 17th, 2008 at 10:16 am

    Rays have no need for the Yankees golden thong.

  12. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 10:18 am

    Wait? Is this game @11 AM?

  13. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    nevermind-I think Russo was joking and I am still half asleep!
    lol
    oy

  14. owlnation May 17th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    At least there’s vain hope that Girardi/Cashman has now recognized that Ensberg can’t hit lefties after all…

    or righties… or, in fact, field…

  15. whozat May 17th, 2008 at 10:22 am

    “Good point whozat. I would of guessed with Girardi’s creativity he would have made a new line-up for today.”

    He’s not creative…he’s been trying to see if his righties can hit lefties, since the Yanks have been terrible against southpaws since last year. And, he’s been trying to rest the vets, especially during that early ridiculous stretch.

    It’s not like he’s doing this for the sake of it.

  16. Tinker da Thinker May 17th, 2008 at 10:23 am

    Maybe you should wear the golden thong, NYPD.
    Might help you score, eh?

    Dat’s what I think!

  17. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    If we can somehow score more than 2 runs today-I consider that a small victory.
    :(

  18. NYPD113th May 17th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    “Maybe you should wear the golden thong, NYPD.
    Might help you score, eh?

    Dat’s what I think!”

    - Doubtful, you see Giambi’s numbers?

  19. Tinker da Thinker May 17th, 2008 at 10:32 am

    Yeah, NYPD, but I heard your numbers are worse!
    No what I mean?

  20. NYPD113th May 17th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    “Yeah, NYPD, but I heard your numbers are worse!
    No what I mean?”

    -Who do you think is wearing it today Tink? Andy? Melky?

  21. YANKEES FAN May 17th, 2008 at 10:34 am

    ******TODAYS GAME WILL BE PLAYED AT 11:05********

  22. pat May 17th, 2008 at 10:41 am

    NYPD

    You seem waaaaaaay too interested in guys wearing a thong.

  23. Charles May 17th, 2008 at 10:41 am

    I can’t believe Chris Russo could be this bush league. I think a lot of people actually believed the 11am start time. What a tool. He’s currently making fun of the listeners who couldn’t tell he was joking. I can’t stand him…

  24. NYPD113th May 17th, 2008 at 10:43 am

    “NYPD

    You seem waaaaaaay too interested in guys wearing a thong.”

    - So does all the local papers.

    So pat, who do you think is wearing it? Do you approve of this new tradition?

  25. NYPD113th May 17th, 2008 at 10:44 am

    You sound like a real fun guy Chuck.

  26. CB May 17th, 2008 at 10:44 am

    When Hank makes comments they draw a lot of attention.

    When Hal says something… not so much. Funny how the guy who usually says something rational and calm doesn’t get nearly the same amount of attention.

    Here’s a few things Hal had to say:

    “I’ve been discouraged at times. We knew with the young pitching that we might go through some growing pains. We knew we would have to be patient there. What’s more disappointing to me is the hitting. The hitting and the injuries, which are nobody’s fault. You can’t win many games if you only score one or two runs.”

    “We need to just stay in the hunt,” he said of surviving the injury bug. ” … I absolutely feel we have a great team. I believe we have as good a chance as anybody this year.”

    And how about this one on Santana:

    “There’s nothing that makes me regret [not getting Santana],” Hal said.”

    He’s half owner. Nothing gets done without his approval. People seem to completely forget them everytime Hank says something in an inflammatory way.

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....?track=rss

  27. Charles May 17th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    NYPD113: I have no thongs in my closet, but I have my moments.

  28. Fran May 17th, 2008 at 10:53 am

    CB – I think it’s because for all of these years we have had George yelling and the Yankee fans are used to this. In the last year or two when it was Howard Rubinstein coming out with a “message by George” it wasn’t the same. Hank has revived that old feeling and whether the fans agree or disagree with him, it gets everyone talking like his dad did.

  29. LathamJoe May 17th, 2008 at 11:05 am

    Yeah, Hank, keep mouthing off!
    the Yankees’ payroll is the highest in MLB. They have to overpay for established talent to come to New York because of the immense pressure to succeed and the public chastisement that they have to take from spoiled, non-baseball brats like Juniorstein!

  30. Doreen May 17th, 2008 at 11:17 am

    CB -

    Isn’t it always the way? And the media is certainly not going to remind people that they should remember that Hank has a counterbalance in his brother. What sells more papers? What encourages more blog hits? Bombastic statements or cool rationalism? There ya go!

    Beautiful day for a baseball game. We’re hoping the rain stays away so we can go see the Trenton Thunder tonight. Yay! Go Yankees!

  31. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    As mad as I was that last night’s game was postponed, at least we pick up 2 games (DET and NYM) where we can have A-Rod and Jorge back.

  32. randy l May 17th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    ” I absolutely feel we have a great team. ”

    nice analysis hal.

    that’s supposed to be rational thinking.

    i think ‘delusional” might be a better way of putting it.

    the yankees do not have a great team. they don’t even have a good team at the moment.

    i know hank hasn’t been to a game in yankee stadium yet? does hal even watch games?

    “GREAT” ?

    very odd choice of words

  33. Rhapsody in Blue May 17th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    NYPD113
    infatuated by the golden thong would like to take a good long sniff.

  34. NYPD113th May 17th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    Rhap, why do you keep avoiding giving your take on this new GAY Yankee tradition?

    The Red Sox share jack Daniels, the Yankees share women’s undies, kinda the same.

  35. gayle May 17th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    Another great day for baseball got here early for bp and the best thing is that I got a ball hit into where our seats are off the bat of the captain. Sad that a 42 year old can get excited about that but it is great has the final season logo on it as well.

  36. Blargh May 17th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    Brother Hank likes interleague play; agree or disagree?

  37. whozat May 17th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    “the Yankees share women’s undies, kinda the same.”

    I’m reasonably certain that it’s a man-thong. Still funny that Giambi wears it. Your idiotic, homophobic comments…less funny.

  38. whozat May 17th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    “the yankees do not have a great team. they don’t even have a good team at the moment.”

    But if they were playing better, that’d make them a good team?

    You can have a good team that plays badly, and a bad team that plays well. I agree with Hal that, once they’re healthy, the Yanks have plenty of talent to put on the field. They even have enough right now to be winning more than they are. They’re just not playing good baseball. That’s very different than having a bad team.

  39. NYPD113th May 17th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    “I’m reasonably certain that it’s a man-thong.”

    – Is that like the ‘Bro’ that Cosmo Kramer came up with. Really whozat? A “man-thong”? LMAO

  40. Rhapsody in Blue May 17th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    NYPD113

    bartolo colon in a golden thong hmmmm.

  41. Doreen May 17th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Gayle -

    NOT SAD AT ALL!!!

    My husband, mid-40′s, almost knocked down my niece, about 7, to catch a homerun ball in Seattle!

    Something about getting that ball at a baseball game….

    :)

  42. NYPD113th May 17th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    “bartolo colon in a golden thong hmmmm.”

    - Yanks pick him up on waivers?

  43. randy l May 17th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    whozat-

    if nypd113th wasn’t such a dumb@#$%#@ , he realize we do a good job of harassing each other right now.

    nothing like a red sox troll to unite the blog.

  44. Nick May 17th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    Proving that this comment section is some of the worst minds in the biz. Discussing thongs and trying to analyze and rip apart Hal’s comments. Great job fellas.

  45. whozat May 17th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    “Is that like the ‘Bro’ that Cosmo Kramer came up with. Really whozat?”

    Nope. They actually sell thonged underwear for men. I mean…they’re usually worn by male strippers, but they’re sold.

  46. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Team Hal! :)

  47. Rhapsody in Blue May 17th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    This should be entertaining, I can’t wait:

    Colon may fill the void Tuesday

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....d_tuesday/

  48. NYPD113th May 17th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    “Nope. They actually sell thonged underwear for men. I mean…they’re usually worn by male strippers, but they’re sold.”

    -Are you justifying this blatantly gay behavior for any particular reason who?

    Would you like to tell us all something? LMAO!

  49. NYPD113th May 17th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    “This should be entertaining, I can’t wait:

    Colon may fill the void Tuesday”

    - Would you like to make a wager that he performs better than Igawa?

  50. Rhapsody in Blue May 17th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    Now those are some lofty standards, Sox are in trouble.

    - Would you like to make a wager that he performs better than Igawa?

  51. Betsy May 17th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    M&MD have no clue, to be honest, that Hank even has a brother. Hal’s words should carry more weight because he rarely speaks, whereas Hank is just a windbag who opens his mouth and doesn’t really say anything worth hearing.

  52. Rhapsody in Blue May 17th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    Maybe he can pitch in japan.

    - Would you like to make a wager that he performs better than Igawa?

  53. NYPD113th May 17th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    So Rhap, yes or no?

  54. randy l May 17th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    “They’re just not playing good baseball. That’s very different than having a bad team.”

    i don’t think the yankees are a bad team. they are more like mediocre right now. not good,not bad.

    when arod comes back it’ll of course help, but posada is a way off and we don’t actually know he’s going to be ok.

    the yankees are absolutely going to have to come up with a fifth starter who can win half his games. i’m assuming rassner can win half of his, and that mussina can win a little more than half of his.

    so the yankees really need wang and pettitte and the bullpen to get the yankees over the .500 mark. joba is one obvious variable who could change the dynamic around, but none of us actually know when he’s going to be thrown into the mix.

    one thing i know is that his value in the 7th and 8th inning on a team that doesn’t have a lot of leads in those innings is a lot less than it would be in those innings if the yankees were a good team.

    hal is looking through rose colored glasses if he thinks the yankees are not in trouble. a lot of thinks have to go right for them to get back on track.

  55. Blargh May 17th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Hmm, seeing the name Hal reminds me of film AI…(first I thought of WarGames’ Joshua, then I finally remembered Hal)…
    Can you imagine him saying, “I’m sorry Hank, I’m afraid I can’t do that”?

    …and to the Mets and Yankees: Shall we play a game?

  56. ER, from the set of May 17th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    I hope everyone remembers to check this movie out.

  57. whozat May 17th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    “Would you like to tell us all something? LMAO!”

    I was debating whether to pre-call that you’d make this exact comment. I figured I’d take the high road. But I should have realized you wouldn’t.

    There’s nothing I’d like to tell you about my sexuality. I know what my orientation is, and I’m extremely comfortable with it. It has nothing to do with my ability to discuss baseball. I was merely correcting your statement that Giambi wears ladies underwear when he’s in a slump.

    You, however, seem to find it funny that someone you’re talking to might be gay. Why is that funny? What does it have to do with anything?

  58. Doreen May 17th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Looks like ARod did a little bit of everything in his first rehab game. (Strike out both ways; homerun; walk; fly out.) As long as he comes through still feeling good, that’s all I ask.

  59. Rhapsody in Blue May 17th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Way to go Alex, HR against Price.

    Alex returning just in time, .468 lifetime ba against Colon.

  60. ER, from the set of May 17th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Afterall, that team has a lot in common with the current Yankees.

  61. ER, from the set of May 17th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    So a-rod struck out twice against Price?

  62. randy l May 17th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    it’s really amazing that the yankees pitching seems pretty bad overall, but you look up and the red sox pitching staff is at 4.25 era and the a yankees are at 4.26.

    the yankees pitching staff going to get better. if nothing else, the yankees have joba to look forward to, what do the red sox have to look forward to improving their staff?

    shilling? i don’t think so? bartolo colon? not likely

  63. Blargh May 17th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    The Yankees are full of rocket science and applied math double majors?

  64. Fran May 17th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Good update on ARod. Thanks Pete. Looks like Alex should be back Tuesday.

  65. ray (sox fan) May 17th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    I know it is in vogue to poke fun at Colon on this blog. It’s all good…I certainly understand that.

    Just remember that in his starts at Pawtucket Colon has an ERA of .064 and has a fastball that has been topping out a little over 95 mph.

    Shall we compare those stats with Igawa, Kennedy, or Hughes?

  66. whozat May 17th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    “they are more like mediocre right now. not good,not bad.”

    They’re playing mediocre baseball, yeah. But that doesn’t make them a mediocre team. If their expected performance was what they’re doing right now, that’d be a problem. But it’s not. Jeter, Cano and Abreu have all underperformed, ARod’s not on the field, and the young pitchers haven’t had any of the (perfectly reasonably expected) good starts to counterbalance the bad. Kennedy — like any other starter — needs to feel good enough about his breaking stuff to throw it in MLB games. That was a big difference between his AAA start and his most recent start. It’s not that the pitch isn’t good enough when he’s got a feel for it — it is. He just either didn’t have a feel for it in Tampa, or he just didn’t feel confident enough to throw it. And, of course, Joba will probably start the move about a month from now. Horne will be back to starting soon, and could make his case for a move up to the majors. Giese keeps making himself look more and more like an Aaron Small-swingman candidate.

    Bottom line is they need to score more runs by getting on base more. They can’t be losing every game in which the pitching gives up three runs.

  67. whozat May 17th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    “Kennedy”

    Kennedy’s AAA ERA is 0.00

  68. Blargh May 17th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    randy: The offense makes things look a lot worse…actually, the offense makes things worse anyway
    Currently the Yankees are at 4.12 runs a game, but if you take away the 15-9 slugfest against Boston, it drops to 3.85 runs a game
    (for consistency purposes, if we ignore that game pitching-wise, the staff era drops to 4.14)

  69. Rhapsody in Blue May 17th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    If Colon could throw 100 pitches for 95 mph you’d have something.

    5′ 11″ 250 lbs with a bum shoulder? No thanks. I’ll take my chances with Hughes and Kennedy

  70. whozat May 17th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    “Hughes”

    Depends…was Colon pitching with a broken rib?

  71. pat May 17th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    ray

    Igawa and Kennedy have both pitched great at AAA. It’s the next step that has been the issue.

  72. Rhapsody in Blue May 17th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    “Hughes”

    Depends…was Colon pitching with a broken rib?

    No but Colon has a gland problem.
    It’s located under his nose.

  73. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    “Just remember that in his starts at Pawtucket Colon has and ERA of .064 and has a fastball that has been topping out a little over 95 mph.

    Shall we compare those stats with Igawa, Kennedy, or Hughes?”

    First that’s the minors. You’re comparing a 35 y/o pitcher pretty much pitching against kids to Hughes and Kennedy learning how to pitch in the majors?
    I know your smarter then that.

  74. JDnotDrew May 17th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    Timely hitting and all this BS goes away. Soon all you trolls and couch managers will be gone and the Yanks will be winning.

  75. Peter Abraham May 17th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Lots of updates posted.

  76. Virgin Islands May 17th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Colon has proven he can pitch in The Majors. Cy Young winner.

  77. pat May 17th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Good start for Alex. They always say he is right at the plate when he is hiting HR’s to right, so I guess that’s a good sign.

    As long as he comes through the weekend healthier than he went into it, I’ll take it.

  78. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    I think Joba will eventually be in the rotation.

  79. ray (sox fan) May 17th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    Jax,
    I honestly appreciate that Hughes and Kennedy are young developing pitchers. I believe they will both in time be star pitchers for the Yankees. I wouldn’t have the same confidence in Igawa.

    My main point is that all the Sox have committed to Colon right now is a million dollars per year. In today’s baseball environment that is a very small risk and a possible good return.

  80. randy l May 17th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    “Colon has proven he can pitch in The Majors.”

    he hasn’t proved it this year.

    the only way he gets a chance to prove it is if the league continues figuring out buchholz is no big deal if you sit on his off speed stuff and buchholz replaces colon at pawtucket.

    so for a red sox fan to be excited about colon , they must be pretty unexcited about buchholz.

    i personally can’t wait to see colon come up because it’ll mean the red sox have problems.

  81. CB May 17th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    The team has clearly not played well to this point in the season and many people are writing them off.

    They’ve gone 20-22 in their first 42 games.

    An interesting question is what that means? It’s easy to put a disproportionate amount of attention to the beginning of a season.

    So is it that unusual for a yankee teams to go 20-22 over a 42 game stretch? Is it that much evidence to know that this is not a good team?

    Over at the RLYB they took a look at this question.

    Turns out it’s not that unusual for them to go 20-22. Since 1995 they’ve gone 20-22 over a 42 game stretch in 6 different seasons:

    tart Date End Date W L
    5/28/1995 7/13/1995 20 22
    7/7/1996 8/22/1996 20 22
    4/29/2000 6/18/2000 20 22
    4/19/2003 6/4/2003 20 22
    4/7/2007 5/23/2007 20 22
    4/1/2008 5/15/2008 20 22

    They made the playoffs in each of the preceding seasons in which they’ve had a 20-22 stretch.

    http://www.replacementlevel.co.....games_mean

  82. Virgin Islands May 17th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    Buchholz is on the DL. That’s why Colon is being brought up.

  83. murphydog May 17th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    Judging by the numbers, expect nothing from Damon today while Hit-deki, Jetes and Cano should rake. But so much for numbers. Let’s see what happens.

    Maybe Big G should try wearing the Golden Thong on his head. Maybe if he covers one eye with it, he’ll hit to LF.

    Colon at 95mph? Great. Is he still throwing 60 pitches by the 3rd inning? But seriously, the returning velocity just means the ball will leave the park off A-Rod’s bat that much faster.

    Shame about Willie, but that finish last year really shortened the leash this year. Hope he turns it around.

  84. Virgin Islands May 17th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    CB,

    Those other years they proved they could play better than 20 – 22 in other stretches. This year they have ONLY gone 20-22.

  85. randy l May 17th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    buccholz was getting hammered and was in danger of going down to triple a.
    the twins figured him out and sat on the breaking ball and change up , knocking him out of the game.
    once that gets around the league, mr. buchholz is going to have a very different pitching experience.

  86. ER, from the set of May 17th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    The horror, the frailty, the Santana shutout…..
    Another depressing 3 and half hours is just 25 minutes away.

  87. Amanda from La. May 17th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    it’s getting close to game time!!

  88. mel May 17th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Wow! So much going on today. Thanks, Pete for the flurry of updates.

    Good luck to the Yankees and lots of positive vibes to the blog.

  89. CB May 17th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    “Those other years they proved they could play better than 20 – 22 in other stretches. This year they have ONLY gone 20-22.”

    One of those years was last year. That’s not too long ago and nearly all of the offensive players are the same.

    Do you really think the team is going to play .480 ball?
    Do they really need to “prove” that they’re better than a .480 team?

    And the much bigger factor about this 20-22 game run? That its happened while both ARod and Posada have been hurt.

    In none of those other streaks did the team lose players of the caliber of ARod and Posada for that length of time.

    This season is becoming very much a replay of last season. Only the pitching is better this year (especially in the bull pen).

    And last year worked out OK – and that was with the Sox getting off to an amazing start and the wild card race being very fierce.

  90. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    Thanks for the updates Peter!
    Let’s go Yankees! Try and score more than 1 run today.

  91. murphydog May 17th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    CB:

    I’m with you.

    “And the much bigger factor about this 20-22 game run? That its happened while both ARod and Posada have been hurt.”

    There’s plenty of time and there’s plenty of help on the way.

  92. ER, from the set of May 17th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    Open up those Prozac bottles, only 10 minutes to do so…

  93. Virgin Islands May 17th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    CB,

    I think the Yankees will make the playoffs. I’m just saying they have yet to do anything other than 20-22.

  94. randy l. May 17th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    i’m glad that the yankees are facing santana today against a rival that they don’t want to lose to.

    good players sometimes need challenges to snap up out of their funk.

  95. Rhapsody in Blue May 17th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Boston was up 9.5 games a year ago today.

    http://www.shrpsports.com/mlb/stand.php

  96. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    LET’S GO YANKEES

  97. Fleas (Negative when we lose) May 17th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    wtf, game is blacked out for me in FL. ON YES and THe Mets channel.. god damnit..

  98. Rhapsody in Blue May 17th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    Sorry, this will take you to the link to show the standings a year ago today, just follow the drop-downs.

    http://www.shrpsports.com/mlb/stand.htm

  99. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Yeah for some reason MLB extra innings (digital cable and satellite) doesn’t show Saturday afternoon games.

  100. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Last year around this time was very painful.
    We will survive this year.

  101. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    jeter makes that play 2 years ago. sad.

  102. Jorge Steinbrenner (the long lost third brother) May 17th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    I really have a ton of respect for those who are able to keep up with the posts on here. It’s a really difficult thing for me to do. I’ll post something, and it then becomes really difficult for me to follow up on any replies, which is unfortunate since I know I purposely do make provocative comments at times. :)

    Anyways….I say this because Pete mentioned meeting Rebecca, and she is definitely a regular who is able to keep up with the pace of this place. Big ups to you both!

    Now let’s kick some inferior NY team butt!

  103. Fran May 17th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Really good start by Andy. Hope that he keeps it up today.

  104. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    someone took his HGH today…

  105. Amanda from La. May 17th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    good job Pettitte…hope that continues for several innings!

  106. Fleas (Negative when we lose) May 17th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    anyone watching this on MLB.com ?

    I keep getting “We are currently performing maintenance operations.
    During this time, sections of the site will not be available.
    We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.”

    grr

  107. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Hey Andy! Striking out the side!

  108. randy l. May 17th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    bigpoop-

    is that short for big poopie?

    i just like to get your politics straight before commenting.

  109. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Checking in to say hey!

    Alive and tired (plagued with allergies today) so I am going to be a bench player more than anything.

    Will check in from time to time and especially when we kick Santana’s ass.

    GO YANKEES!!!

    GO BREWERS!!!

    P.S. I’ll never understand being blacked out by FOX yet being able to watch over MLB tv!

  110. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 17th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Anyone interested in 2 tix for 6/9 (day game)?

    Paid $95 each. Looking to sell for $90 each. Field Box seats Section 26 (down left field line). 3-4 rows from the field. Seats also include passes to Stadium Club.

    If interested, let me know.

  111. Jeff K (Pinstripers) May 17th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Could we be in store for an old fashioned pitchers’ duel?

  112. Jeff K (Pinstripers) May 17th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Maybe not…

  113. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 17th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Rebecca, was it a thrill to meet Pete?

    He didn’t hit on you, did he?

  114. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    LOL Santana gives up another one. NUMBER 9

  115. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    those are the kind of big hits I have been KILLING Jeter for the past 2 weeks. Nice to see!

  116. Fran May 17th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Maybe Derek should bat clean-up!

  117. Amanda from La. May 17th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    WOO HOO Jeter!!!!

  118. mel May 17th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    I called it! OK I always wish for it, but I thought that Jeter would get a hit here.

  119. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    So I guess Jeter likes playing the Mets.

  120. mel May 17th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Brandon,

    If you’re here, you know what to do!

  121. Fran May 17th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Hi Trisha – hope you feel better. That homerun must have helped!

  122. Motown Yankees Fan May 17th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Just want to chime in here and say–Thank you Derek. Let’s hope Santana’s home run count climbs even more today!

  123. MackNova May 17th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    That was a Jeterian blast. Who needs Santana?

  124. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Jeets!

  125. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Everyone should know by now that out-of-market games are blacked out during Fox’s lame exclusive window. The question for me is, why wasn’t this a Fox game? Too much anti-NY backlash? Bah.

  126. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Clay/Joe: Yes, and most certainly not. Anyway, I had my brother with me.

  127. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    WAH!!!!

    WAH!!!!

    We shoulda gotted Santana!!!

    WAH!!!!!

    Hope the Santana freaks are watching this. Someone better start passing out kleenex.

    SA-WEET!!!!!

    :lol:

  128. Rishi May 17th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Just wanted to check in – just saw the score….where are all the “shoulda traded for Santana” people now?

  129. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 17th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Anyone interested in 2 tix for 6/9 (day game)?

    Paid $95 each. Looking to sell for $89.99 each. Field Box seats Section 26 (down left field line). 3-4 rows from the field. Seats also include passes to Stadium Club.

    If interested, let me know.

  130. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    they need to pull an 8 Bells on Giambi. he needs to be put down

  131. MackNova (Blog updated 5/16) May 17th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    I just hope we tattoo Santana. I doubt we do, no one really does, but I really hope we beat him like we used to beat Pedro. Get a few off Johan, get to their bullpen, and win it late. That’s the vintage Torre way to win.

  132. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 17th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    “Clay/Joe: Yes, and most certainly not. Anyway, I had my brother with me.”

    Good, glad to hear it. You know how those Oscar Madison types are.

  133. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Fran – nothing helps allergies more than Jeter hitting a two-run blast against Santana, knowing that Fleas is in the background.

    He he he he he!

    :)

  134. sara May 17th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    anyone know how many pitches that was for johan?

  135. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Santana throw a straight 4 seem FB 88,89,90 and people actually get on Hughes about his velocity.
    I’ve seen a better FB out of Hughes (except his start against the Blue Jays) then I’ve seen out of Santana.

  136. berniepaul&tino May 17th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    moises alou can rake

  137. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    lol… yes, he gave up a HR to Jeter so its proof the yanks shouldn’t of traded for him. its becoming harder and harder to admit to being a yanks fan. we are just fine with IPK and his 9.00 ERA. oh wait, i forgot- he attacked the zone better last outing, its all good

  138. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    clay/joe: LMAO!

  139. Felix May 17th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    Is it just me or is this whole Thong thing just a little bit lame.. Grown men talking about the underwear they seems to me a wee bit unseemly…I guess the old adage “money doesn’t buy class” is alive and well

  140. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 17th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Isn’t today the 10 year anniversary of Wells’ perfect game?

  141. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    bigpopp, your comment might make some sense if there had ever been a Santana-for-IPK deal on the table. But since there wasn’t, why?

  142. Fleas (Negative when we lose) May 17th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    and hughes and kennedy have a combined 17.0 ERA without a win.

    heh.

    as if you can judge the Santana trade by this one game.

    BTW, I am rooting for the Yankees. Duh.

  143. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Jax et al. Let me say this immediately and up front. I didn’t want any part of Johan Santana from jump street for a variety of reasons, one being that I didn’t want Melky going anywhere. I also thought he was going into the back side of his career because his ERA had been steadily rising.

    That said, I have never said Santana is not a good pitcher. He had always done well in the Stadium. So if he were to pitch a gem today if would not mean a hill of beans to me because he would have arrived at too high a cost for what we would have gotten.

    Of course him giving up that homer is nothing but awesome JUST BECAUSE it helps to shut up the whiners who (I believe) obviously can’t see past either their noses or this season and haven’t gotten over the Yankees passing up “such a deal”.

    (The FOX Saturday game was always blacked out on MLB tv in the past. I would be totally screwed during Saturday games and relegated to the radio. I’m not complaining, mind you.)

  144. Jeff nj May 17th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Live from the stadium. The girl 2 seats from me caught jetes hr

  145. MackNova (Blog updated 5/16) May 17th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Andy has more strikeouts in 1 2/3rds innings than Wang had in all of 2006.

  146. Fleas (Negative when we lose) May 17th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Pet is looking awesome.

  147. EY May 17th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    WOW! GREAT JOB ANDY!

  148. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    there was a santana for hughes, ipk and melky deal on the table. how has hughes been this season? do they have a combined 17 ERA? Ironically, the only reason not to do that was trade is now Melky

  149. lurker May 17th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    thats embarrassing

  150. Amanda from La. May 17th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    way to chase him giambi!

  151. geO May 17th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    LOL I love switching the channel to SNY just to hear the commentators sad/choking up voices

    :)

  152. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Maybe Giambi should wear a bra instead of a thong? Victoria’s Secret has some nice things..
    Or maybe the bra and thong together..

    Come on Andy!

  153. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    “its becoming harder and harder to admit to being a yanks fan.”

    Ahh so you know how that feels? Good. I felt like that when some of your comments about Jeter got to the point of silliness.

  154. V May 17th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    “and hughes and kennedy have a combined 17.0 ERA without a win.

    heh.

    as if you can judge the Santana trade by this one game.

    BTW, I am rooting for the Yankees. Duh.”

    Um – you don’t add ERAs to combine them. You take a weighted average.

    Also, comparing 21 and 23 yr old rookies making the minimum to a 29 year old making… um.. how much exactly?

  155. Fran May 17th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Andy looking great.

  156. zellyanks91 May 17th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Wow. Andy looks great. 6 outs recorded..5 K’s and a pickoff.

    Let’s Go Yankees!

    http://zellspinstripeblog.wordpress.com/

    Kevin

  157. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    You know, I was kinda hoping Andy would strike out the side again!

    But then, it’s not a Pettitte start without the pick off!

  158. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Thanks, bigpopp, you just answered any question I might have had about your baseball acumen.

  159. CB May 17th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Great shot by Jeter but Damon deserves a lot of credit for working the count and drawing that walk.

    Why? Because that’s been a primary problem with the yankees offense this year.

    The offense has been terrible this year – but for very skewed reasons.

    The team is third in the AL in slugging percentage, fourth in adjusted OPS, and seventh in batting average.

    With those numbers you’d expect the team to be scoring a decent number of runs. And given how bad the team has looked at the plate those numbers are very surprising to hear.

    But despite the decent to good slugging %, OPS and BA the team is only 10th in the league in runs.

    How does that work – 3rd in Slg %, 4th OPS, 7nth BA and only 10th in runs scored?

    There are two reasons.

    First the team is only 10th in on base percentage. This is the biggest difference between this year’s team and prior teams. It’s an enormous difference – they’re not getting on base because they are not drawing walks like they did last year.

    The second reason – they are only 10th in the league with hitting with RISP.

    That’s the problem with the offense – two related issues. The starting point is the fact that they aren’t getting enough guys on base – they’re making too many outs too quickly in games. They had a good write up on this on Bronx Banter.

    And they’re not hitting when guys get on base.

    Good to see Jeter hit another HR. But to do so with a guy on base makes an enormous difference.

    http://bronxbanter.baseballtoa......html#fold

  160. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Santana is at 26 pitches right now…and rising
    Andy is @ 26 also…

  161. V May 17th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    “there was a santana for hughes, ipk and melky deal on the table. how has hughes been this season? do they have a combined 17 ERA? Ironically, the only reason not to do that was trade is now Melky”

    Evaluate this in 6 years, not 6 weeks.

  162. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Fleas, did you happen to leave a comment in my blog the other day?

    I know we have our disagreements, but I’d like to think that comment wasn’t you.

  163. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Yanks should have made the santana trade, thats my opinion. We wont know for a few years I guess who was right, but as of now its safe to say I am winning as IPK has been Igawa-esque and Hughes not much better.

  164. Blargh May 17th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    “there was a santana for hughes, ipk and melky deal on the table.”

    According to Heyman,
    Hughes+Cabrera+Marquez+A level prospect
    After Smith waffled/tried to get Red Sox involved and Pettitte resigned, that became Wang+Kennedy+Cabrera+Marquez+A level prospect

  165. V May 17th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    EXCELLENT spot for a hit and run.

  166. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 17th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Pettitte hasn’t lost to the Mets since the very first interleague game against the Mets in June of 1997.

  167. JR Yankees May 17th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Great game so far…let’s pad a lead and keep Santana throwing lots of pitches.

    Rebecca, very cool meeting Pete…and then he recognizes you from the blog and then posts about it, great story.

  168. Fleas (Negative when we lose) May 17th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Rebecca, I didn’t even know you had a blog.

  169. CB May 17th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    “Um – you don’t add ERAs to combine them. You take a weighted average.”

    I love this comment for so many reasons…

  170. Fleas (Negative when we lose) May 17th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    This game would be a lot more entertaining if Arod and Posada were in the lineup.

  171. V May 17th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    “Yanks should have made the santana trade, thats my opinion. We wont know for a few years I guess who was right, but as of now its safe to say I am winning as IPK has been Igawa-esque and Hughes not much better.”

    In 6 years time, this non-trade can be fully evaluated.

    1) How well does Santana do over the life of his contract?
    2) How does Hughes do over the life of his pre-free agency years?
    3) How does Melky do…?
    4) How does Marquez do…?
    5) Who do the Yankees end up signing next year with the money they would have been paying Santana? How does he do over the life of that contract?

    It’s not a clear-cut decision “OMG, Kennedy and Hughes have sucked this year and Santana’s been decent, we should have made that trade OMG!”

  172. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 17th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    Fleas,

    Your blog looks just like the Yankees web site.

  173. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    Fleas: Glad it wasn’t you. =)

  174. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    Santana is now @38 pitches

    Let’s go Andy!

  175. V May 17th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    And I forget:

    6) Who would the Yankees have in Center Field today instead of Melky? Next year?

  176. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 17th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    “In 6 years time, this non-trade can be fully evaluated.

    1) How well does Santana do over the life of his contract?
    2) How does Hughes do over the life of his pre-free agency years?
    3) How does Melky do…?
    4) How does Marquez do…?
    5) Who do the Yankees end up signing next year with the money they would have been paying Santana? How does he do over the life of that contract?

    It’s not a clear-cut decision “OMG, Kennedy and Hughes have sucked this year and Santana’s been decent, we should have made that trade OMG!”

    That says it in a nutshell.

  177. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    V-
    what part of “we won’t know for a few years who was right” do you not understand?

  178. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 17th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Did anyone see The Office the other night? Very funny.

  179. randy l. May 17th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    “they’re not getting on base because they are not drawing walks like they did last year.”

    it doesn’t show up in the stats, but a by product of not walking much is not making other teams starters throw lot of pitches. by not wearing out the other teams starting pitchers the yankees are not getting to the soft middle relief every team has.

    if they did, maybe their offense would have some better numbers, so ,yeah, it makes sense that not walking much is hurting the team a lot.

  180. V May 17th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    ““they’re not getting on base because they are not drawing walks like they did last year.”

    it doesn’t show up in the stats, but a by product of not walking much is not making other teams starters throw lot of pitches. by not wearing out the other teams starting pitchers the yankees are not getting to the soft middle relief every team has.

    if they did, maybe their offense would have some better numbers, so ,yeah, it makes sense that not walking much is hurting the team a lot.”

    This is an excellent point, randy. I’d be interested in seeing what this team’s stats are against SPs, middle relievers, and closers this year.

  181. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 17th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    “Rebecca, I didn’t even know you had a blog.”

    If I was a prosecutor, I would have fun with that comment.

    Mr. Fleas, do you expect this court and this jury to actually believe that you had absolutely no idea that Rebecca had a blog?? I would have a smirk on my face while asking the question.

  182. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Nice shot at the new stadium.

  183. MackNova (Blog updated 5/16) May 17th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    NO WAY IN HELL WAS HE OUT!

  184. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Well someone left me a comment on my blog calling me something I won’t repeat here.

    And Damon should have totally been safe. Okay, so he was out, but still, nice hitting by Bobby.

  185. V May 17th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    HE WAS SAFE!!!!!!

  186. Kenneth Keith Kallenbach May 17th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    oh snap, didn’t realize the Mets SNY broadcast is on as well. I for one am suffering from Kay fatigue and will be watching it, if only for the chance to hear non YES broadcasters’ take on things not named Joe Morgan, Joe Buck or ecch Dick Stockton.

  187. Fran May 17th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Bad call by Meacham. Would have been 2nd and 3rd and no outs and Derek up. Should have held Damon.

  188. CB May 17th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    randy,

    Completely agree with your point on the walks and not running up pith counts. It becomes a sort of vicious cycle.

    One other outside factor that may also come into play – the pitching in the AL East is much better than it has been in the past. And the yanks have played the AL East a lot so far.

    In particular, Tampa has now developed a staff that has several very good control pitchers (Shields and Sonnanstine in particular and Jackson has been much better with his control). Baltimore also has better control pitching (Daniel Cabrera in particular)

  189. Rob May 17th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Bad Call

  190. V May 17th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    That call was absolute garbage – his foot hit the bag.

  191. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 17th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Kenneth Keith Kallenbach posts here??? Wow! Pete was right, this blog has readers from all over the map.

  192. geO May 17th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    can they fire Bobby Meacham! bring up Luis Sojo again

  193. randy l. May 17th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    v

    i’m really big on pitch count. it’s like in boxing( a long ago sport people used to watch) where a boxer wears down an opponent with body punching to knock him out in a later round.

    the yankees used to be really good at this. it started when boggs was on the yankees and has been passed down ever since. for the first time in a long time we’re seeing a yankee team that’s not making the other team have a high pitch count.

    i don’t know what the correlation between which team has the highest pitch count in a game and who wins, but it must favor the team that throws the least pitches.

  194. Amanda from La. May 17th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    no more game for me, sister’s graduation, hope I come back to see they won! enjoy watching.

  195. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    No really Kay of course the new stadium is bigger then the current one. How does he not know that?

  196. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    That was disappointing

  197. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    If anyone here believes that the Santana freaks wouldn’t be flipping out all over this forum if the Yankees were losing and Santana was pitching a gem, and wouldn’t be SCREAMING “See! See! See!” -

    I have some nice land under water for you in Florida.

    :D

    Too easy for them to say that one game doesn’t mean anything. If one game doesn’t mean anything you wouldn’t be crying the same old tired tune every single time you open your mouths.

  198. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 17th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Meacham doesn’t seem to be as good as Larry Bowa. Imagine if Hank comes in to the locker room after the game and sends him down to Charleston?

  199. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    first of all, he was out and it was a good call. second of all, that waw AWFUL job by meacham

  200. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    I don’t have a problem with Damon running there. It’s not like he was running on Guerrero’s or Melky’s or Ichiro’s arm. Just a really, really good play from Schneider.

  201. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    on schedule, the ole’ bible thumper is due for his 4th inning implosion

  202. stuart May 17th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    I do not have the game was Damon safe or out?? the truth, please

  203. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Two bloop singles is hardly a massacre. Calm down anti.

  204. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 17th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    “Meacham doesn’t seem to be as good as Larry Bowa. Imagine if Hank comes in to the locker room after the game and sends him down to Charleston?”

    For all you kids in the audience, George sent Meacham down to A or AA after committing an error during a game in the 80′s.

  205. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Ok. GET DAMON OUT OF LEFT FIELD.

  206. MackNova (Blog updated 5/16) May 17th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Okay, I honestly think I have a better throwing arm than Johnny Damon.

  207. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    That was an automatic out at the plate for a decent OF.

  208. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Can we get someone else to pitch the fourth and fifth? Please? And then put Pettitte back in later?

    Seriously, this is really bothering me.

  209. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Why does Pettitte always fall apart in the 4th and 5th innings?
    It’s a trend now.

  210. Fran May 17th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    This is getting to be a bad pattern with Andy. Lights out for three innings and then he starts to struggle. Here goes the lead.

  211. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    The Andy Pettitte Meltdown Tour continues

  212. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    how is it meacham’s fault pettite has given up 3 hits this inning?

  213. Steve Balboni May 17th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    That’s some arm Damon.

  214. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Rebecca, and that’s just what they were talking about on the pregame.

    Who knows if he now has the Ted Lily 5th inning jitters…

  215. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 17th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    “the ole’ bible thumper”

    Is that a bad thing?

  216. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Bloop single, bloop single, bleeder. That’s not falling apart.

  217. CB May 17th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    That was not a bad send by Meacham.

    Any time it takes an absolutely perfect set of throws to get the runner at home (and just barely at that) it was the right decision.

    The teams not scoring runs. Everyone wants them to be more aggressive and creative.

    Can’t have it both ways. You have to put pressure on the defense to make a perfect play even if there are no outs.

  218. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Clay- I find it offensive, yes

  219. Steve Balboni May 17th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    “I do not have the game was Damon safe or out?? the truth, please”

    Very, very close. Schneider’s foot blocked the plate very well and may have lifted Damon’s foot before it hit the plate. Extremely close. Whichever fans were on the losing end of it would complain. Tough call.

  220. Rishi May 17th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Damon was out – but why the heck did meacham send him? he is not a freaking speed demon and there were no outs – you have to believe he could have gotten home another way

  221. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    Is ‘has an absolutely garbage arm that gives up free bases’ a defensive statistic? Damon’s arm has to be considered when evaluating his defense.

  222. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    Okay – lots of positive energy in Andy’s direction. Let’s get him out of this inning. Maybe it will break the bad mojo.

  223. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    Ugh.
    get out of this Andy

  224. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    That was a four letter word from Moises right there…he might want to be a little more careful, there are children watching :D

  225. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Not falling apart but it certainly goes down hill in the 4th and 5th innings.

  226. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    guess that walk to load the bases was meacham’s fault too…

  227. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    That was a bad pitch. You can’t walk the bases loaded with no outs.

  228. Fran May 17th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Big trouble now. Bases loaded and no out. That 3rd Yankee run would have helped now.

  229. Rishi May 17th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    I should say the “Coors Light freeze frame” on YES showed him out…

  230. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 17th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    I have to go. Remember, good positive thoughts everyone.

  231. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Sure, it took a perfect relay for Damon to be out at home, but had he held at third, it’s 2nd and 3rd with no outs. Seems as though he should have stayed.

  232. Rishi May 17th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    ugh – how did I go from so happy to so annoyed so quickly

  233. CB May 17th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    “This is getting to be a bad pattern with Andy. Lights out for three innings and then he starts to struggle. ”

    The most concerning part of what’s happening with Andy is that it seems like the hitters are just figuring out Andy the second time through the order.

    It’s as if he baffles them the first time through and then they just figure out what Andy’s throwing, what his approach is and hitting him very hard.

  234. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    We lost?

    That’s almost funny. The last thing on my mind is that we will lose this game! This is one inning!!!

  235. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    If Damon weren’t sent, would Jeter’s line drive have scored him? No. Matsui’s weak grounder? Not if the infield were in. Obviously, they wouldn’t necessarily have been pitched the same or approached the AB the same, but the point stands.

    This team has struggled to score runs, even with guys on 3rd and no outs. You take chances when you’re struggling like that.

  236. Rishi May 17th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    he can do this – let’s go…a K would be good right about no

  237. Kenneth Keith Kallenbach May 17th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    wow, 20 yrs ago being a Yankee fan was the pits with the Mets being the toast of the town, I hated Ron Darling and Keith Hernandez with a passion only if because my friends who were Mets fans would rub it in our faces. But fast forward 20 yrs I concede you SNY boys are superior to my YES announcers in all facets.
    I might just relent and catch a Mets game if only for some sorley missed cohesive coherent play by play and color.
    With that said, c’mon Andy shut em down…dp time!

  238. Rishi May 17th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    OK – but the balls must end

  239. ant1-mussina May 17th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    see? told you we lost.

  240. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Ugh. Why so many balls?

  241. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Santana has -not- been lights out, and the Mets middle relief is garbage. This game ain’t over til Wagner’s in.

  242. CB May 17th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    This team has failed to score a runner from 3rd with less than two outs several times this year.

    They’ve been terrible with RISP.

    I wouldn’t assume that they would have been able to score a run there with 2nd and 3rd and no outs. Remember – its Santan on the mound – very good strike out pitcher.

    The team has been so bad with RISP I can understand why Meacham would want to force the Mets into making a perfect throw.

    And Meacham has no control over andy suddenly falling apart.

  243. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    BIG STRIKEOUT.

  244. Peter Abraham May 17th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    Anti-Mussina:

    Please stop posting on the blog. I tried to e-mail and you made up your e-mail address. You’ve violated the TOS here with assorted profane comments, personal attacks, etc.

    Go to another blog or whatever. I don’t want this blog to become bogged down with comments of the sort you make.

    Nothing personal, we just have standards.

    Thanks.

  245. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    if andy gets out of this I can see him cruising through the next 3 IP

  246. kd May 17th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    pettitte need to invest in the first strike philosophy

  247. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    That looked like a strike..

  248. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    V- thats a strike on a 3-2 count only

  249. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    Thank you Pete!

  250. Fleas (Negative when we lose) May 17th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Edwar warming .. do I need to laugh now? Man Please.

  251. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Edwar Ramirez warming up?

  252. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    ugh

  253. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Blegh. He’s getting too cute with 3-2 counts…

  254. Fleas (Negative when we lose) May 17th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    ..and since when does ordering pizza online from papa johns cost 40.00!!!!!

  255. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    just a terrible, terrible job by pettite here

  256. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    WALKS the 8th batter, game tied, horrible

  257. kd May 17th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Amen Pete. That guy is a waste of space

  258. mel May 17th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    ouch. get castillo, andy.

  259. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    So close to getting out of it….

  260. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    75 pitches and mounting

  261. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    The good news is now he gets to start fresh with a new hitter…

    If we can get out of this with two runs, that will be huge for us.

  262. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Finally a first pitch strike from Andy

  263. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    If he can get out of this with only the two runs, I have the bullpen up in the fifth at the first sign of trouble.

  264. CB May 17th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Andy’s had a lot of trouble with 2 outs. He hasn’t been able to close out innings. He’s been working out of trouble to get to 2 outs but the giving up runs.

    It’s very strange. He was throwing well to start the season.

  265. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    NOTHING is going Pettitte’s way.

  266. Blargh May 17th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    40$ for pizza?

  267. jimmy1138 May 17th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Great idea to skip Rasner…

  268. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) May 17th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    This is unbelievable.

  269. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    And the joy in Mudville is gone.

    Better get Andy some HGH.

  270. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    when you walk the 8th place hitter with the bases loaded, you deserve that

  271. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    3-2 now

  272. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Oy vey

  273. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    If this happens all year with Pettitte it’s going to become a problem. Can’t have him every start getting knocked out in the 4th 5th innings. Taxing the pen even more.

  274. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    80 pitches and mounting

  275. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Well, now the Yanks have 3 pitchers to figure out what to do with… Hughes, Kennedy, and Pettitte. Uggh!

  276. Fleas (Negative when we lose) May 17th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    The upside of this game is that both these teams are struggling fierce and neither one of them want to be the loser for the NY media to have a field day with. The upside is that they are both playing with vigor offensively.

    Both Pet and Santana are not pitching well, but that can change in one inning as we know..

  277. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Watching on game cast. Singled to pitcher? What the????

  278. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Because it is the way things are going, watch Reyes hit a double and clear the bases.

  279. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Bloop single, bloop single, bleeder to left to an outfielder with a garbage arm, a -bad- at bat vs. Alou ending in a walk, pop out, full count strikeout, walk (inexcusable), infield ‘single’.

    Blegh.

  280. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Well, look at the bright side, we scored 2 runs today

  281. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    “And the joy in Mudville is gone.”

    Because we’re down a run? Takes a lot more than that to remove our joy!!!

  282. Fleas (Negative when we lose) May 17th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Blargh,

    Pizza and 10 wings came to 39.00 with tip, unreal. I should have made some pasta or something..

  283. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    “And the joy in Mudville is gone.

    Better get Andy some HGH.”

    Pepper Brooks, we finally got rid of anti-mussina. We don’t need you to start.

  284. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    So am I right in being concerned about Pettitte and the fourth/fifth inning yet?

  285. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Girardi should’ve brought in Joba when Castillo got to the 1-2 count. Joba can get that swing-n-miss. 4th inning relief is becoming very important in baseball.

  286. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    V-
    do you make excuses for every yankee, or just the ones you *really* like? That was a terrible job by Pettite, plain and simple

  287. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Coulda been a lot worse my friends.

    Good job of limiting the damage Andy. Now you need to find a way to break that 4th inning cycle!

  288. Yankee Fan in Boston May 17th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    That’s not a typical Pettite implosion. Just bad luck. That it’s 3-2 is fine by me. I feel like we’re in to this game. We have a good shot of getting the lead back.

  289. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Anyone else getting worried about Andy? I know he has strong second halves of the season…but this is a bit frustrating.

  290. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Yes Rebecca.

    Maybe they should put Joba in the rotation and Andy in the set up role.

  291. Fleas (wearing his positive shirt) May 17th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    okay, so we are down by one, not that big of a deal, not unless johan gets his flow

  292. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    You know that stuff can get into your head. You saw it happen to Lily and you saw it happen to Moose. But it can get out of your head, too. You saw it with Moose.

    Andy just has to fight his way through it.

  293. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Hard to understand how a guy known for his fitness, can’t get through the middle innings of games anymore.

    It puts Girardi in a real tough spot.

    If all Andy Pettitte is at this point in his career is a 3 inning pitcher, there is no solution internally for that problem.

    Just an awful job again by Pettitte of flushing a lead down the drain.

    Girardi has no choice but to get him out now and hope bullpen can once again pitch 5 shutout innings. Not exactly what you want your bullpen to have to do 3-4 times a week. Which, has become the norm so far this season.

  294. Fran May 17th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    CB,

    In the first 3 innings Andy looks lights out and working well with Moeller. Then,as in his past starts, he falls apart. Leiter and Cone kept saying that he was out of sync with Moeller. How does that happen when they were working so well the first three innings? Whose fault is that?

  295. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    “V-
    do you make excuses for every yankee, or just the ones you *really* like? That was a terrible job by Pettite, plain and simple”

    Ah, anti-mussina gone, and bigpopp back.

    The walks were inexcusable. That was bad pitching.

    But there’s nothing a pitcher can do about bloop singles and bleeders. Not Pettitte, not Mariano, not Santana.

    A pitcher can’t do all that much about preventing hits on softly hit balls. Hard hit balls is another question. There wasn’t a single hard hit ball in that inning.

    OTOH, Giambi hits a rocket for an out. :shake:

  296. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) May 17th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Now they’re swinging early in the count. This pattern is all too familiar once they fall behind.

  297. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Fleas, your pizza is so expensive because of the Santana surtax. If the Yanks had traded for him and extended him, you’d be paying $70 for that pizza. You can thank Hughes, IPK, and Melky for it being as cheap as it is.

  298. Fleas (wearing his positive shirt) May 17th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    scary, I don’t care who the pitcher is..

  299. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    And here comes Johan Santana pitching quickly and getting into a groove

  300. Blargh May 17th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    That’s crazy pricing; what area are you in? 0.o
    Similar order for here in central Jersey would cost about 20-25-ish

  301. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    SJ44, I expect better from you. Overreaction is moronic.

  302. lil' m May 17th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    [sigh]

  303. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    “Maybe they should put Joba in the rotation and Andy in the set up role.”

    I agree since he look like he can’t go any deeper then 4 innings.

  304. Yankee Fan in Boston May 17th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Why are the Yankees breaking so many bats this year? It’s an epidemic.

  305. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    “Now they’re swinging early in the count. This pattern is all too familiar once they fall behind.”

    This is what’s frustrating. Their good approach at the plate is flushed down the drain.

  306. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Because we’re down a run? Takes a lot more than that to remove our joy!!!

    Give it time…

  307. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    argh

  308. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    and just like that in the blink of an eye the Yanks go down in order.

    Yet another game they score a run or two early and then mail it in the rest of the game.

  309. JR Yankees May 17th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    That was very, very ugly…and it could have been a lot worse. Not sure what the deal is with Pettitte and the fourth/fifth innings. He was absolutely cruising through the lineup and then bloop singles and walks turn into 3 runs. Amazing.

    Maybe our offense will come alive now.

  310. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Santana goes out there and on 6 pitches has the Mets back in the dugout.

  311. Steve May 17th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    We can also thank Hughes, Kennedy and Melky for being under .500!

  312. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) May 17th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Six-pitch inning after he sits for about a half hour. Santana has been approaching 100 pitches in the fifth innings in his last few starts. Leave it to the Yankees to have him at 55 pitches through four innings.

  313. Fleas (wearing his positive shirt) May 17th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Nick, I didn’t know you were an economist. I’d say it has more to do with oil, and i don’t mean olive oil.. or maybe I do, who knows anymore it’s all a big farce and nobody tells the truth.

    Nothing I hate more than politicians wearing a phony smile when talking about issues that effect the masses emotionally.

  314. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    I will be stunned if Andy doesn’t find his way out of this. You don’t all of a sudden forget how to pitch after three innings.

    Just my two cents.

    Here’s my other two cents.

    I’ll be stunned if you see Joba coming into the rotation.

  315. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Looks like my previous post got eaten – but how many hard hit balls were there in that inning?

    You can’t do -anything- as a pitcher about preventing softly hit balls becoming hits. The walks were absolutely inexcusable, but he wasn’t getting hit hard.

  316. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Crappy inning there

  317. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    Nice job by the offense letting Santana only throw 6 pitches.

  318. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    V
    May 17th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
    “Now they’re swinging early in the count. This pattern is all too familiar once they fall behind.”

    This is what’s frustrating. Their good approach at the plate is flushed down the drain.

    Thats on Kevin Long

  319. ellen May 17th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Wow that was a short inning.

  320. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    At least Andy wants Willie to keep his job

  321. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    OTOH, that Giambi line drive to Santana was a rocket… for an out. That’s bad luck.

  322. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    I’ve never had a pizza and wings cost $39 with a tip. Was the pizza cooked in crude oil or has it got diamonds cooked into it to cost that much?

  323. Scorpio May 17th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Are you guys seriously worried about Pettite? I’m not. A couple of calls were borderline and one bloop looked like it coulda shoulda woulda been gotten to if A-Rod were on 3rd.

    It wasn’t a pretty inning but it could have ended alot worse, imo.

  324. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    “V
    May 17th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
    “Now they’re swinging early in the count. This pattern is all too familiar once they fall behind.”

    This is what’s frustrating. Their good approach at the plate is flushed down the drain.

    Thats on Kevin Long”

    I was unaware at what point Kevin Long has 100% control over what hitters do in the batters box.

    A teacher can’t force a student to learn.

  325. JR Yankees May 17th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Ok I was wrong about the offense coming alive…now we’re right back where we don’t want to be. Down by a run with the hitters swinging at the first pitch…going down 1-2-3.

  326. ellen May 17th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Trish – why would you be shocked if Joba was brought into the rotation? I’m sure it’s not a lock, but why would it be shocking? It’s not like they have a lights-out 1-5. Heck, it’s not like they have a lights-out 1-3.

  327. george May 17th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    horrible decision by Meacham. you can’t risk making the first out at 3rd.

    since ST, Meacham’s given ample evidence he’s a horrible 3B coach, of epic, Luis Sojo, proportions. remember when he sent A-Rod in ST, after the Cervelli collision. duh, let’s set up the MVP for a ST collision.

    we’ve seen enough of Meacham as a 3B coach. time for Hank to end that the way Big George sent him out of town in the 1980s.

  328. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    “Thats on Kevin Long”

    No, thats on the hitters. You can’t seriously think they were told to go out there and do that?

  329. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Scorpio I’m with you.

    Check out his 5th inning so far.

    Andy is a battler. He knows how to pitch. He has a 4th/5th inning demon that he has to exorcise. BFD. He’ll find a way to do it.

  330. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    This is what’s frustrating. Their good approach at the plate is flushed down the drain.

    Thats on Kevin Long

    Careful. I have said Kevin Long is to blame for their lack of plate discipline and not understanding the strike zone and you and others mocked it……Ironic.

  331. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    fleas, actually I was just making fun of you because of your prior propensity to blame everything that goes wrong in Yankeeland on the Santana non-trade.

    I’ll keep it simpler next time, sorry.

  332. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    MLB Extra Innings isn’t carrying the game, was listening to it in the car, is the score still 3-2?

  333. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Pettitte IS throwing WAY too many balls.

    3-0 counts, 3-1 counts, 3-2 counts. That’s inexcusable.

  334. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Score still 3-2.

  335. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    100 pitches and mounting

  336. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    “Careful. I have said Kevin Long is to blame for their lack of plate discipline and not understanding the strike zone and you and others mocked it……Ironic.”

    Do you think Kevin Long tells them to go out there and hack and stop being patient?

  337. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    The offense hasn’t been great, but they haven’t exactly been facing no name pitchers. Facing James Shields, Scott Kazmir, and Johan Santana in a row, the Yankees aren’t going to score four plus runs vs three of the elite pitchers in the league. It’s the pitcher’s job to match the opposition with zeros and with the exception of the Shields game, the Yankees haven’t done that.

  338. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    what is wrong with his phyche? seems like 4th inning has something over him? Did you all see the replay at the plate? Was Damon safe?

  339. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Get the hook. Another run or 2 might as well be ten.

  340. Yankee Fan in Boston May 17th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    2 outs, and then a hit and a hit batter. You cant excuse the hit batter there, that’s just bad pitching. He had the count in his favor, 2 outs, and he hits a guy. That kills your team.

  341. pete May 17th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    bring edwar in already.

  342. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    “Do you think Kevin Long tells them to go out there and hack and stop being patient?”

    Apparently so.

    The need to have a scapegoat around here for any given game situation, has gotten beyond ridiculous.

  343. pete May 17th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    bring edward in already

  344. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Andy hit batter? maybe it’s better I can’t watch the game, sounds painful!

  345. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Thank God Delgado is as awful as The Golden Thong.

  346. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    V-

    The name of that game is that certain posters always need someone to blame for whatever happens. Lack of perfection will always find blame rained down on either the players or the coaches, the manager, the general manager, or the owners!

    YAWN!

  347. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Pepper-
    Dont bother blaing Kevin Long in here, lord knows I have tried. I think he has family members who post regularly or something. sad.

  348. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    well, maybe one more inning for Pettitte at 103pitches

  349. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    “The need to have a scapegoat around here for any given game situation, has gotten beyond ridiculous.”

    Agreed. Sometimes, your team loses.

    I will be absolutely SHOCKED if this team finished the year with less than 92 wins.

  350. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    Angel – Amen to your previous post.

    And who better to amen than an angel!

    ;)

  351. Fran May 17th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Andy started out like he could pitch a complete game. He barely made it through 5. I am sure the Yanks were not expecting to have to go to the bullpen early when Andy pitches.

  352. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    5 innings, 3 runs. :shrug: Not excellent, but not disaster, at this point.

  353. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    V, I don’t think Kevin Long tells them to go out there and stop being patient. And I realize he is not the one at the plate.

    But I also believe he does nothing to change their in game approach. Believe it was against Boston and Dice K could not throw strikes. What do our intelligent professional hitters do – Arod, Matsui – go after the first pitch and junk. THAT is on the hitting coach.

    As their coach he should constantly be teaching, during the game, after the game, before the game, not eating sunflower seeds. This is what makes Belicheck and his staff so good, constantly adjusting.

  354. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Thanks to stupid blackout rules I can’t watch the game, but I wouldn’t send Andy back out. From the looks of it he’s teetering on the edge of blowing up if not for the inept Mets offense. Don’t press your luck Girardi.

  355. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Alberto and Chad – ever seen a changeup before?

  356. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    “Are you guys seriously worried about Pettite?”

    Ya know what, I am. My worries are probably overreaction. But right now, he has been struggling at certain times.
    I don’t want to be worried, but I honestly do have some concerns regarding Andy. I hope those concerns go away.
    :)

    Can we get a run or two now?

  357. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    (and FYI, I was hoping for a good game from Pettitte today for my fantasy team (H2H Roto))

  358. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    it is ridiculous how posters always want to place blame, face it, they just arent’ hitting: will that last all season, of course not, but just when will it stop?

  359. blackdragon905 May 17th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    the bottom of the lineup is pathetic looking

  360. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Bob – I am watching the game on MLB.com tv. Just and FYI in case you want to sign up for it.

  361. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Don’t be surprised if this offense doesn’t score another run.

  362. V May 17th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Moeller needs to not take his bat off his shoulder. Make Santana throw 3-4 pitches to get you out. That is horrible.

  363. Russell W May 17th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    It will stop when A-Rod and Posada come back. Yankees are in the lead with those 2 on the team. No worries.

  364. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    another 6 pitch inning for santana…

  365. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    was that a 5 pitch inning LOL

  366. YankeeXDev May 17th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Gonzalez and Moeller are crap.

  367. S May 17th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    So will Rasner pitch an inning today?

  368. Fleas (wearing his positive shirt) May 17th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    wow this offense i tell ya

  369. Russell W May 17th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    “Don’t be surprised if this offense doesn’t score another run.”

    Or another hit…

    Or walk…

    Or pitch….

  370. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Next inning Johan is going to go for 3 pitches

  371. Yankee Fan in Boston May 17th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    6 pitches. Again. Ridiculous. Does Girardi have any cohesive plan, or is it just “at least it was decided quickly.”

    Why is Randolph the only one whose job is on the line?

  372. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Man, this offense stinks. 6 pitches to get out of the inning.

    Fantastic baseball. uuugggghhhhh

  373. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Pettitte has not pitched well in 5 of his last 6 starts.

    The theme is always the same. He is one of the few pitchers on the staff given multi-run leads in many of his starts. He’s unable to hold them.

    He can’t go deep into games. Can’t throw enough strikes, and hitters catch up with him the second time around. A sign is stuff is not holding up.

    If you look at his pitch charts this year, he stuff hasn’t held up in games for most of the season. That’s why he is throwing mostly fastballs because his curveball, changeup and cutter just aren’t sharp anymore.

    You can only go so far on guts. At some point, you have to have stuff. He seems to only have it for 3 innings these days. Not good enough to be successful.

    Its a BIG worry because for 16 million dollars, the Yankees didn’t pay for him to be a 3 inning starting pitcher.

    If he is going to pitch like this, they are going to have to have somebody to back him up from the 4th inning on.

    Its tough enough for this offense to score runs. If your starter can’t hold multi-run leads or go deeper into games, you have to find another way to attack the problem.

  374. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    here’s a novel idea – take a freaking pitch!!!

  375. george May 17th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    i was surprised Damon didn’t take another pitch. not exactly working Santana

  376. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    “you’re doing a heck of a job, Long-ie”

  377. Guiseppe Franco May 17th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Let’s not overreact with Pettitte.

    He’s gonna turn it around. We should all know that by now.

    Unreal.

  378. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    “Can we get a run or two now?”

    and the answer to my question was a big old no

  379. TKinDC May 17th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    If Santana keeps dealing, the real winner of this game will be CC “Back up the truck full of free-agent cash” Sabathia.

  380. Fleas (wearing his positive shirt) May 17th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Kevin long is afraid to insult his millionaire pals. He has not done his job for years.

  381. trisha - come back Hank! May 17th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    I’d like to hear from the group here known as “the hapless Yankee poster bloggers”.

    Is there anyone either on or associated with the Yankees who is NOT crap?

    Just curious.

  382. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    6 freakin pitches – inning over… pathetic

  383. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Well lets hope I can send some divine intervention in this game, lol.

  384. Fran May 17th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    They are making it too easy on Santana. As posted earlier Santana has not made it past 6 innings in his last starts. With the Yankees swinging fast and early he will easily pass 6.

    That play at the plate is looming larger. They let Santana off the hook and haven’t done anything since.

  385. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    I got excited up 2-0 early

  386. Blargh May 17th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Ultimately, it’s still up to the players to execute whatever plan the coaches cooked up or even let whatever the coaches say sink in to their minds

  387. Fleas (wearing his positive shirt) May 17th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    “here’s a novel idea – take a freaking pitch!!!”

    no she-it! I’ve been saying that since 2004.

  388. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Trish, I already subscribe to Extra Innings and don’t really want to shell out the $$$ for MLB.TV as well just for the handful of games I can’t see on TV.

    Plus, it keeps me from having to watch this horrendous offense. lol

  389. Guiseppe Franco May 17th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    SJ,

    I would expect better from you. Hard to believe you would overreact this way.

    Pettitte will turn it around. Guaranteed. He’s a better 2nd Half pitcher anyways.

  390. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    it takes pettite 8 pitches to get Easley out fer cripes’ sake.

  391. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    SJ44 when I get the energy I will go back and see whether you were posting volumes on the ills of Mike Mussina during his first bad starts.

    “Let’s not overreact with Pettitte.”

    Thanks for that sentiment. You just gave me a new tagline…

  392. CB May 17th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    ARod has said many, many times that Kevin Long is the best hitting coach he’s ever worked with. He also credits Long with making sure he keeps his swing compact.

    But if some posters on the Lohud Yankee’s blog think Long is to blame for the team not hitting – heh what does ARod know about hitting?

    Last season the wall street journal did an excellent profile of Kevin Long.

    Here was a great quote about how much respect Kevin Long gets from the players on the team:

    “Beginning early in July, many Yankees have been reaching their potential with dramatic suddenness. Through the first 79 games of the season, the Yankees were just 38-41 and suffering from a sluggish offense that was producing just 5.6 runs per game. Starting July 2, however, the Yankees caught fire, winning 23 of their next 32 games as of Sunday, averaging an explosive 7.9 runs per nine innings. What’s made the difference? Ask Johnny Damon, Bobby Abreu, Robinson Cano, Andy Phillips and other Yankee hitters who have been pounding the ball with amazing consistency. They’ll tell you that they’ve all started listening to Kevin Long.”

    http://online.wsj.com/public/a.....89967.html

  393. Rob May 17th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    moeller should be forced to take at least 3 pitches. If he gets struck out in 3 so be it. But at least he would take a pitch.

  394. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Not for nothin’ (as the saying goes), but it should rightfully be 3-3 right now. That was a brutal call at homeplate…

  395. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    “Kevin long is afraid to insult his millionaire pals. He has not done his job for years.”

    Yes thats very true!! ARod was absolutely scathing is his assessment of Kevin Long’s ability to do his job as a hitting coach, especially last year.

    /end sarcasm

  396. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Nice to see a pitcher actually go over 100 pitches for once.

  397. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Fran- yes, santana has pitched terribly. jeez. one can argue that the mets let pettite off the hook, no?

  398. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Girardi hasn’t got anyone up in the ‘pen?

  399. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    What’s weird is that after the fourth inning, Pettitte seems to settle down

  400. Mike May 17th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    It didnt take long for the SJ44 Negative Brigade to come out today.

  401. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    the question is – will arod’s return spark this offense?

  402. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Also – what CB said. He said it much better, and minus my sarcasm, lol.

  403. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    good for pettite here, encouraging to see him rebound

  404. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Comeon guys, lets see if we can make Johan sopend more than 3 minutes on the mound this inning.

  405. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    i loathe these fox business bar infomercials…. loathe.

  406. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Yeah I think we better pull Pettitte for good.

    I’d really like to see certain Yankee posters not feel the need to write grim reaper treatises every damn time a Yankee player is struggling. Cripes that gets old!

  407. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    The real question is – is SJ44 wrong? Has pettite lost his secondary stuff?

  408. Guiseppe Franco May 17th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    BTW, there’s nothing wrong with 3 ER in 6 IP.

    It just so happens that the Yanks aren’t scoring runs.

    That 3 inning pitcher stuff is so ridiculous.

  409. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    whats the +/- for pitches this inning? 12?

  410. TKinDC May 17th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    “Kevin long is afraid to insult his millionaire pals. He has not done his job for years.””

    And of course, the key to effective coaching of hitting is the willingness to insult the people you are working with. Move over Ted Williams, Don Rickles is taking over.

    /sarcasm

    :)

  411. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    That was a much better inning for Andy.

  412. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    two pitch AB there

  413. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    trisha – Let’s not overreact…
    May 17th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    I’d really like to see certain Yankee posters not feel the need to write grim reaper treatises every damn time a Yankee player is struggling. Cripes that gets old!
    —————–
    I would be more understanding if they weren’t all struggling at once…

  414. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Kevin Long has not been doing his job in years?

    The Yankees led the majors in runs scored (968) and 5 other offensive catagories last year.

    That’s not doing his job for years?

    He can’t make guys hit. He’s just a coach.

    Trisha,

    Save the pompoms. If it was so easy for Pettitte to just turn it around, he would.

    He’s struggled for 5 of his last 6 starts in the same manner he has today.

    Sorry but, that hurts the team in a big way.

    The most tired cliche in pitching is, “he had one bad inning”.

    In many cases, that’s all it takes to either lose a game or change the momentum of a game.

    Its happening too much and this team needs him to pitch well NOW. Not 3 months from now.

    That’s what they are paying him for. To pitch with leads and get that game to the bullpen.

    Not everything about the Yankees is rosy sunshine all the time.

    Nor, is this a cheerleader blog

    You want to cheerlead? Fine by me.

    But, the reality is, Pettitte has pitched like crap for the better part of a month now and that’s not helping this team win games.

    No amount of cheerleading changes the results we are seeing in his starts.

  415. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Damn TK. That sarcasm was better than mine.

  416. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Fran, the only thing I wonder is this. Is Johan throwing so many first-pitch strikes that they need to swing fast? I don’t know the answer to that, but that is always a reason for not working at trying to build up a pitch count.

  417. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Gotta love these two-pitch (or even one-pitch) outs. It’s remarkable how impatient Yankee hitters have been so far this year.

  418. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    There is something wrong with 6 IP 3 ER when you are facing Johan Santana

  419. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    come on Derek! hit it out again!

  420. ellen May 17th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Safe? Out? WTF??

  421. Russell W May 17th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Johan Santana sucks. If we have more righties, he gets owned.

  422. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Sunny actually I think your posts are funny! And they are always understandable under the circumstances. You don’t go on and on.

    :)

  423. Nick May 17th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Whoever says Pettitte is a 3 inning pitcher is a total moron and shouldnt be allowed to post about baseball.

  424. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    awful

  425. PJH May 17th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Jeter is an idiot. Why would he not touch the base? Instead he pats the guy on the back.

  426. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    That was the worst slide I have ever seen

  427. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    nice, down by a run and this happens

  428. ellen May 17th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Nick: Have you been watching him THIS season? I love Pettitte, but he has been having a rough time.

  429. randy l May 17th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    after 5 innings, the yankees are losing the pitch count battle, 108-61.

    one thing the yankees could do to get in the present would be to focus on winning the pitch count battle . the hitters would benefit from seeing more pitches and getting to the other teams middle relievers, and the pitching would benefit form the starters going further into games and have our middle relievers pitching less innings.

  430. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) May 17th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Two awful outs on the bases. They are totally bailing out Santana.

  431. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    “Whoever says Pettitte is a 3 inning pitcher is a total moron and shouldnt be allowed to post about baseball.”

    Nick, well, yeah.

    :)

  432. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Oh Derek.

  433. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Matsui wasn’t seeing the ball there – painful!

  434. ellen May 17th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Russell: with all due respect, we couldn’t get hits off Johan S. Bach (and last time I checked, he was dead).

  435. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Good hustle… bad baserunning.

    So now we have pitching, hitting, baserunning…

    Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a baseball team.
    My Yankees are failing, there must be a way.
    Work hard for money to spend on this team..

    So Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a baseball team.

  436. Wander May 17th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Jeter probably didn’t want to hurt his shoulder sliding straight into the second baseman. That’s just my logic though.

  437. Blargh May 17th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    “There is something wrong with 6 IP 3 ER when you are facing Johan Santana”

    Not like you should expect much better when you throw your 3rd slot at a guy who’s usually a 1st slot…or is Pettitte our 2nd slot? I only know that Pettitte’s our 3rd best starter era-wise. (of course, pre-rainout it was supposed to be a 4th/5th spot against Santana)

  438. Russell W May 17th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Kei Igawa > Johan Santana

  439. Mike May 17th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Don’t worry people ie real Yank fans. The SJ44 Negative Brigade fell flat on their faces last yr when the Yanks won 90+ games. I know he and his minions are annoying and defeatist and genuinely unhappy people but the Yanks dont listen to them. You shouldnt either. Keep the optimism up becuase the SJ44 Negative Brigade always ends up being wrong.

  440. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    That was horrible by Jeter. At least get to second, even if you think you’re out.

    And Matsui checked his swing.

    What absolute garbage.

  441. lurker May 17th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    if he bobbled the ball he was blocking the base without possession.

  442. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Two awful outs on the bases. They are totally bailing out Santana.

    Um, Matsui struck out

  443. pete May 17th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    I live in texas and there is no way of seeing the game here. I cant believe that we are in the year 2008 and somebody living in texas cant see the game eventhough you have the mlb extra innings. lol

  444. TKinDC May 17th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    How great will it be when Billy Wagner blows this game in the 9th?

    my guess is pretty unbelievably great.

  445. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    Trisha,

    Here’s a tip. You don’t like what some posters write, don’t read it.

    Its not a cheeerleader blog. No matter how hard you try, its never going to be a cheerleader blog.

    You have an issue with that, e-mail Pete. He has said over and over its not going to be a cheerleader blog. Take it up with him.

    Giuseppe,

    Ordinarily, I’d agree with you about Pettitte. But, his stuff really isn’t there so far this year.

    His breaking stuff is flat. He can’t locate his change, and he is throwing way too many fastballs. That may be contributing to him being gassed in the middle innings.

    Perhaps, that’s the byproduct of him not having Posada back there. I don’t know.

    I do know that he is really hurting this team with these type of outings. He has to be able to hold leads when this team is struggling.

    Its a big reason why they brought him back.

  446. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Re: Andy. I’d be a lot more worried if Andy didn’t pitch the first three innings lights out. We saw what he did after he came back in the 5th today.

    He’ll have to find his way out of the mental stuff that plagues him. It happens. He’ll overcome it.

  447. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Good thing Jeter got himself out, so the Yankees avg with RISP wouldn’t go down

    Meanwhile Matsui came back down to earth 3 for his last 24

  448. ellen May 17th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Oh that’s right! The garbage on my TV is an illusion. This is a 900+ run offense. We have a whole stable of complete-game pitchers in our rotation. And it’s 1998.

  449. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    trisha – Let’s not overreact…
    May 17th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
    Sunny actually I think your posts are funny! And they are always understandable under the circumstances. You don’t go on and on.
    ——————
    thanks trisha – lately you’ve got to have a sense of humor to watch this team. Take joy where you can get it. Just wish this team would stop pressing and have some fun… they just might hit the ball (more than once).

  450. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) May 17th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    “Two awful outs on the bases. They are totally bailing out Santana.

    Um, Matsui struck out”

    I was also referring to the out at home.

  451. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    That sucked

  452. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    “after 5 innings, the yankees are losing the pitch count battle, 108-61.

    one thing the yankees could do to get in the present would be to focus on winning the pitch count battle . the hitters would benefit from seeing more pitches and getting to the other teams middle relievers, and the pitching would benefit form the starters going further into games and have our middle relievers pitching less innings.”

    There’s one problem with that, randy. Pettitte was throwing balls. Johan hasn’t been. If Johan doesn’t throw balls, then, the most pitches you can watch is 3.

    You also get to see more pitches if you get hits.

  453. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Stop beating up on Pettitte…If it was Igawa with the bases loaded in that 4th inning, the Mets probably would have ended up with a ten-spot on the board. At least he kept them within a run and grinded through 6. Heck, that’s a lot more than you can say for Ian Kennedy these days, isn’t it?

    The criticism for the Yanks losing this game (if they lose) should land squarely on the offense. Ever since Damon (allegedly) got thrown out at home, they’ve been mailing this game in.

  454. george May 17th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    well PGH, i think Jeter’s demonstrated that he’s great baseball intelligence.

    but it did not seem like good baserunning. great cutoff in the gap by Beltran. Church earlier too; that’s what (should have) kept Damon on 3rd.

    i can deal w/Jeter doing it – 1 out, get in scoring position – but it wasn’t classic Jeter baserunning.

  455. pete May 17th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    i hope we see edwar pitch today against the mets.

  456. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Tim McCarver show talkin about Hank/George on Fox

  457. lil' m May 17th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Oops. Thought for sure Jeter would stop at first, because that ball came in pretty quickly. Guess this is not the Yankees day for baserunning, and not much room for error once Johan got comfy.

  458. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Holy obsession Mike

  459. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    David Cone keeps calling the 4th inning for Pettitte “a Murphy’s Law inning.”

    I’m pretty sure that walking in a run with the bases loaded is something you can control.

  460. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    SJ44 – his ‘one bad inning’ was hardly a case of awful pitching. The walks were inexcusable, but the two bloop singles, the bleeder, and the swinging bunt?

    Nothing Pettitte could do about those.

  461. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Is it coincidental their AB quality went to hell the minute they got behind in the game?

  462. ellen May 17th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    If the best we can say about Andy is that he’s better than Igawa, this is going to be a sad year.

  463. TKinDC May 17th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    “My Yankees are failing, there must be a way.”

    This is a rhyme scheme violation that is unacceptable:

    might I suggest “. . . failing, they’re making me scream”

    8)

  464. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    SJ44 lots of people here are not cheerleaders and indicate their frustration with certain things. No big deal. But they don’t cause every freakin thing to take on a life of its own nor feel the need to write ominous stories around them. You do.

    That’s all.

    And by the way, you are forced to eat a lot of a lot of those words in case you haven’t noticed!

  465. PJH May 17th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Pettitte had a ton a terrible luck. A check swing lead off hit. A broken bat bloop. A soft grounder in the hole. And then a swinging bunt. Just none of that is his fault.

    Nice one Farnsworth. Ya could not tell that he was gonna hit that pitch?

  466. Scorpio May 17th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Forget Andy (he’s fine)…let’s trash Farnsy. HR to Reyes.

  467. Yankees fan stuck in Ohio... May 17th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    farnsworth-LESS

  468. mel May 17th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    About as cheap a HR as you can get.

    Let’s go offense.

  469. Fran May 17th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Trisha – Maybe they are swinging because Santana is throwing first pitch strikes. But at some point they have to take a few pitches and make him work a little harder.
    That 3rd run is looming large.
    I have to run out. Hope the Yanks come back. See you later.

  470. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Dang it Kyle

  471. ellen May 17th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Well, at least we’re saving Willie’s job for another day.

  472. lil' m May 17th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Let’s go CMW!!!

  473. Guiseppe Franco May 17th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    SJ,

    The only reason I’d be concerned about Pettitte is if his elbow is bothering him.

    Other than that, he gets a pass in my book because he’s going to turn it around sooner or later.

    He’s one of the best 2nd Half pitchers in the league and has been for a long time.

    Again, outside of an injury, I’m not worried about him at all It just so happens that he’s struggling when everyone else is struggling.

    That’s not a good combo.

  474. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Farnsworth is obviously regressing a bit!

  475. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Game, set, match folks. 4-2, Thanks Farnsy. Gutsy game by Pettitte today. We all know behind by 2 runs is insurmountable for the Yanks. Better luck tomorrow night. UGH last place still

  476. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    You know, when the Yankees offense finally decides to wake up (and you have to hope it will), it will do so in a big way.

    However, this has become incredibly frustrating to watch.

  477. Randy NY May 17th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    I cannot stand negative fans. That is what most of these comment sections are though. losers who dont have anything better to do besides gripe about one game.

  478. Randy NY May 17th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Oh yea RUSS M because the Mets bullpen is soooooo good.

    Jesus. Get a life.

  479. ellen May 17th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Randy: actually, given the way they’ve been playing, I gripe about more than half of their games.

  480. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    down 2 runs..it feels like 20
    Yikes. I miss Alex and Posada.

  481. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    farnsy

  482. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    “Is it coincidental their AB quality went to hell the minute they got behind in the game?”

    Angel, I’d be lying if I said I hadn’t noticed that same trend myself. And I would never lie to an Angel!

    Hopefully Willie puts in a reliever. If not, find a way to get to Santana.

    By the way, I consider it a great sign that everyone isn’t really annihilating Farnsy. Maybe we have finally accepted him as a legit reliever!

    Hope so.

  483. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Randy LOL, you honestly think Yanks will come back? Your dreaming kid

  484. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    now the game is over

  485. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Like I said Trisha, you don’t like it, don’t read it.

    V,

    The walks and pitching from behind to hitters have been killing him all year.

    That leads to things like bloops or swinging bunts or things like that happening because of the increase in the number of pitches per inning.

    If it was happening infrequently, that’s one thing.

    But, its happening in most of his starts now so, its a pattern.

    Like I said, I don’t know how he can solve it but, he’s going to have to. He’s not pitching well enough right now to help this team.

    Stats can be deceiving. 3 runs in 6 innings looks ok. But, it includes blowing another multi-run lead. That’s not good.

    Its a problem for the Yankees if this continues because there are no internal solutions for a guy they expected to pitch 200+ innings and win 17 games.

  486. ellen May 17th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    See ya -

  487. MackNova (Blog updated 5/16) May 17th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Welcome back, Farns.

  488. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    I tip my cap to Girardi for putting in Farnsworth. That was a shrewd bit of psychology on his part. He knows the Yanks aren’t going to score any more runs (because they’ve already hit their 2-run quota for the day). At the same time, he knows it is more psychologically devastating to lose a 1-run game than it is to lose by a few. So, he brought Farnsy in to help the Mets pad their lead. Brilliant, I say!!! ;)

  489. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) May 17th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Good night.

  490. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Well it looks like the old Farnsworth is back. Sure both are YS HR’s but still.

  491. Yankees fan stuck in Ohio... May 17th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    wow…….

  492. PJH May 17th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Farnsworth is the only guy that could see a hitter hit 2 shots foul off a pitch inside and then go in there with an even worse pitch.

    Jim Kaat always used to say if you throw the same pitch 3 straight times, each one has to be better than the last.

    Farnsworth’s “cutter” is a hanging slider.

  493. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Ball game over. Yankees lose. Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankees lose.

  494. James G May 17th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Welcome back to the real Farnsworthless. I wondered when he would come back.

  495. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    And Farnsworth puts the exclamation point on this one.

    Hopefully, Wang has a shutout in him tomorrow. They are going to need it.

  496. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    It is hard being negative with this team this year. My bad. No starting pitching, no hitting, last place. Yea, hard to be negative. 6-2 now. What do you say Randy? How is Farnsy doing?

  497. lurker May 17th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Definitely a last place team to be losing to this Mets team. Awful.

  498. berniepaul&tino May 17th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    HES BAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK

  499. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    lol, Russ M gets banned elsewhere so this is his next stopping place? Figures.

  500. Terry May 17th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    You guys didn’t know? SJ44 is a professional scout and he knows everything!!

    Laying the sarcasm on. Please don’t take anonymous posters talking about stuff like gospel. Please. Andy has diminished stuff? Hear it from real pros. Not anonymous posters here.

  501. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    **sigh**

  502. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    game over

  503. JFud81 May 17th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Yet another pathetic performance from this team.

  504. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Randy, Mets won’t have to use their bullpen, so what is your point today?

  505. ellen May 17th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    I hope Girardi lets Farnsworth finish this mess. We’re going to need a bullpen tomorrow.

  506. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    Sorry TKinDC…. You are right, rhyme violation, scream fits much better…

    Guess this means Wagner will not have anything to blow in the 9th because he won’t be needed.Still no freakin outs..

  507. Yankees fan stuck in Ohio... May 17th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    well chicago dave he has actually been pitching very well in the past couple of weeks so it was smart to put him in. how did girardi know he was going to lose it today???

  508. Fabio May 17th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    Russ M is a tool. He has been banned from every other comments section.

  509. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    So, let’s be positive. Yanks scored 2 runs today BEFORE the 5th inning, that is a step in the right direction.

  510. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    Why are you sounding so happy, pophead?

    I don’t get that.

  511. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    No sooner do I give Farnsy props then…

    Well at least the Stadium isn’t booing him. That’s HUGE because that crowd can be insufferable.

  512. Yankee Fan in Boston May 17th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    This is going to be the weekend the Yankees save Randolph’s job.

  513. Shepherd May 17th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    im suprised bobby even touched the wall… guess thats an improvement.

  514. andrew33 May 17th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    bobby abreu actually got back to the wall on wrights homer, didnt run away with it – come on now that is a hugh positive –
    that and jeters homerun – if they score less then 2 runs vs ollie perez tmrw maybe they try the AAA offense for the rest of the week – pathetic

  515. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    On a serious note…When will the Yanks do the right thing and simply cut Farnsworth? If the Jays could cut loose Frank Thomas after a few bad weeks of hitting, the Yanks can certainly bid adieu to the true waste of roster space that is Kyle Farnsworth.

  516. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    I love how everyone gets on SJ and says oh remember last year when the Yankees won 90+ games. I still believe they will come back and have a great year, but don’t jump on the guy for stating the truth. It isn’t automatic the Yankees are going to play .700 ball for three months again.

  517. mel May 17th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Never mind offense, take a break and rest up for tomorrow. lol. We got mad at Kyle for throwing too many straight fastballs. Then we get mad for throwing too many secondary pitches.

  518. PJH May 17th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    I guess those sunglasses are for style? Put them on.

  519. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Have a good day all, including you Fabio. I definately rather have Kennedy and Hughes than Santana, that is a no brainer. Yanks saved some cash there. At least first place Tampa is getting beat today, another positive. Yanks won’t lose a game.

  520. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    I just received word from the MLB front office that Kyle Farnsworth served his suspension during the first part of this inning.

  521. Dr. Cox May 17th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    I am physically Ill from this team. And no, I am not putting all the blame of Farnsworth.

    The offense is horrendous, there is no heart, they dont look like they even care, there is no intensity from the top down and they are getting walked on and laughed at by the other teams in the major leagues. I dont care if we had a worse records at this point last year. This is a flat out worse team.

    Where is this “Fiery Girardi” we were supposed to have seen?

    I just dont see this team doing ANYTHING this season. And I dont care if anyone says “”its only may 17, blah blah blah.” This team needs a miracle.

  522. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Well Ohlendorf was warming up I thought he was coming in instead of Farnsworth.

  523. Wander May 17th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Why in god’s name does Farnsworth insist on not throwing his fastball? Last year he over threw the slider and right now he’s over throwing the cutter. Make the hitters hit your number one, don’t screw around with your lesser pitches.

  524. CB May 17th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    There’s been alot of talk about this being a new Kyle Farnsworth this year.

    But if he is going to prove that he has in fact reinvented himself under Girardi’s watch these are exactly the type of spots he has to be counted on.

    Farnsworth has been better this year but does that mean that you can suddenly trust him in big spots? Is his improvement enough to warrant high leverage situations to him?

    The team was down 1 run against Santana. Farnsworth was facing the top of the order and just fell apart.

    And what’s worse is the way it happened – he gives up the home run to reyes and then just falls apart mentally. Gives up a walk and then another homer.

    Farnsworth has been one of the most home run prone pitcher in all of baseball over his entire career.

    Somthings don’t change just because the manager does.

  525. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    trisha – come back Hank!
    May 17th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
    WAH!!!!

    WAH!!!!

    We shoulda gotted Santana!!!

    WAH!!!!!

    Hope the Santana freaks are watching this. Someone better start passing out kleenex.

    SA-WEET!!!!!

  526. Yankees fan stuck in Ohio... May 17th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    hey everybody chicago dave knows everything!!! he should be the new yankees gm!!!!

  527. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Hey look at that – the way Farnsy’s pitching, he could throw as many pitches in one half inning as Santana has through 7 innings… grife

  528. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    4 runs seems incredibly insurmountable now!

  529. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    So much for Yankee fans not booing Farnsworth! lol

  530. Doreen May 17th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Well, he question is, can the Yankees score 5 runs in 3 innings? Doesn’t look good for the Pinstriped Posse.

    There is definitely a trend going on with Andy Pettitte in his last 4 starts. He starts out like a house afire, loses steam in the 4th or 5th inning and then, if he’s still in, he seems to get a second wind.

    What SJ44 says is correct in that Andy’s been one of the only pitchers to be staked to lead in most of his starts, and he’s not been able to protect it. With the offense struggling as it’s been, it’s really bad timing for Pettitte to be having a slump. He’s gritty, gutty and all those good things, and not knowing anything at all, I can’t offer a reason for the slump, and unfortunately grit and guts are not enough.

    Kyle just made this a game that probably won’t be won by the Yankees.

    Pointing out things that are not going well is not the same as trashing.

  531. lil' m May 17th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    “Well, at least we’re saving Willie’s job for another day.”
    —————————————
    There’s a silver lining to every cloud, because Willie certainly doesn’t deserve to get fired. Too bad about Andy. And the baserunning. Here’s to CMW being CMW tomorrow, followed by a patented JobaMo steamrolling. Let’s go Yankees, etc.

  532. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Remember when the Yankees score more than 2 runs a game?
    good times..good times…

  533. PJH May 17th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Dr. Cox- Your offense is gonna struggle when you lose a guy who had 50+ Homers, 150+ Rbis and hit over .300. Its common sense. It hurts even worse because it leaves us with out balance and too lefty-heavy.

  534. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    “how did girardi know he was going to lose it today???”

    What’s that phrase…”A leopard never changes its spots.” Yeah, that’s the one! Anyone who has watched Farnsworth pitch over the span of his infamous career knows he is garbage. Torre got a lot of heat for lot of moves he made last year, but relegating Kyle to the dog house full-time was one of his most unassailable moves.

  535. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Chicago Dave, the serious answer to that is they will cut him lose when they consider him a liability and not an asset, and I think they probably won’t let a bad game vs. what he has done lately be the defining moment in their choice. I am being serious there.

    I wouldn’t cut him, period, but in terms of a team making it’s decision I’d say they really have to be distressed with his pitching to do it, and I just don’t think that’s the case in general.

    Oops. What was that I was saying about the crowd not booing Farnsworth? Wrong.

  536. ellen May 17th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Pettitte is having a rough time. That’s not blasphemy. Whether SJ says it, or whether Girardi says it, or if you just use your own eyes, he’s having a rough time. Baseball is still America’s pastime, and the sun will come out tomorrow. But blasting SJ (or anyone else) for stating the obvious is frankly juvenile. Pettitte was given a nice chunk of change because he is a veteran Yankee. We love him, he’s a “true Yankee” and we fondly recall the great games he’s pitched. We hope he’ll do it again; maybe he will. Maybe something is wrong with him physically. Unfortunately, this is a game of results and so far, his results have not been good. None of that is hyperbole, and none is SJ’s fault.

  537. MOBoy May 17th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Our set-up man Kyle FRansworth.Buddy and NIck From SF would be proud.

    Ohhh wait….David Wrights homerun just came down already.

  538. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    “Remember when the Yankees score more than 2 runs a game?
    good times..good times…”

    :)

  539. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    ellen
    May 17th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
    Pettitte is having a rough time. That’s not blasphemy. Whether SJ says it, or whether Girardi says it, or if you just use your own eyes, he’s having a rough time. Baseball is still America’s pastime, and the sun will come out tomorrow. But blasting SJ (or anyone else) for stating the obvious is frankly juvenile. Pettitte was given a nice chunk of change because he is a veteran Yankee. We love him, he’s a “true Yankee” and we fondly recall the great games he’s pitched. We hope he’ll do it again; maybe he will. Maybe something is wrong with him physically. Unfortunately, this is a game of results and so far, his results have not been good. None of that is hyperbole, and none is SJ’s fault.

    The best post of the day, by a wide margin

  540. Kevin May 17th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Pete,

    Did Jeter not tag second and screw up the pop-up because those plays didn’t NEED to be made? Just asking.

  541. PJH May 17th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Pete- How does any heat shift to Girardi? Its his fault that A-Rod is out? Its his fault his starters cant hold leads a give them innings? Its his fault the third base coach got Damon thrown out the plate? Its his fault Farnsworth choked big time?

  542. stuart May 17th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    here comes the heart BS from idiots that have no clue.

    I cannot see the game but from what I hear on the radio the baserunning stupidty did not help today.

    when you cannot HIT, YOU NEED TO PLAY SMART AND CLEAN. Pettitte does not get a pass, the big inning was ll his fault he walked schneieder and he was ahead in the count.

    I guess Kyle may be back.

    again when you cannot hit you need to play perfect baseball and this team cannot HIT…….blame it on no arod and jorge they just have 6 other multi multi zillionares..excuses are BS….

    The 2nd bad thing they did si not only not get hits but make quick outs…..you ned to get ace’s out of the game is it really that complicated…

  543. Yankees fan stuck in Ohio... May 17th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    trisha i wouldnt question chicago dave…HE KNOWS EVERYTHING!!! and dave: look up farnsy’s stats for the past 3 weeks.

  544. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Aright-prove me wrong Yankees..
    Time to score some runs…don’t think ya can….I hope I am wrong

  545. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Dr. Cox
    May 17th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
    I am physically Ill from this team. And no, I am not putting all the blame of Farnsworth.

    The offense is horrendous, there is no heart, they dont look like they even care, there is no intensity from the top down and they are getting walked on and laughed at by the other teams in the major leagues. I dont care if we had a worse records at this point last year. This is a flat out worse team.

    Where is this “Fiery Girardi” we were supposed to have seen?

    I just dont see this team doing ANYTHING this season. And I dont care if anyone says “”its only may 17, blah blah blah.” This team needs a miracle.

    WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Especially the no heart, lack of intensity, look like they don’t care.

    This is what happens when you overpay athletes for a couple good years. Let’s count on this team, Giambi, Pettitte, Damon, Matsui, Abreau, still Pavano…

    At some point the Yankees are going to have to show more faith in their farm system then the current protect, protect protect, trade philosophy.

  546. Dr. Cox May 17th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    “Dr. Cox- Your offense is gonna struggle when you lose a guy who had 50+ Homers, 150+ Rbis and hit over .300. Its common sense. It hurts even worse because it leaves us with out balance and too lefty-heavy.”

    One man is not going to be the savior of this team when we only have 4 hits in 6+ innings and cannot even get men on base. Is he magically going to hit a 4 run solo home run??

  547. PJH May 17th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Now what Farnsworth did is that much larger.

  548. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Homerun #10 for Santana…

  549. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    MoBoy, thanks for your input. As timely and as intelligent as usual.

  550. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    when did the yankees get so bad at taking good at bats? I remember last year, even when they sucked, they were still taking good at bats … at least wearing down the starting pitcher. Lately, they don’t seem to be able to wear down a stick of butter at a camp fire.

  551. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    You can say this about Giambi: When he gets his hits, he makes them count.

  552. mel May 17th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Please don’t tell me people are getting on Andy now. He’s had some rough innings lately, but he gets absolutely NOTHING from his offense. This is nothing new, going back to last season.

    He deserves better from fans and his guys when he gutted out one last inning today. As far as I know 3 ER/6IP is a quality start. Something you expect from your vets.

    Giambi ties the game!!!!!

    Oh, wait…

  553. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    wow-HR Giambi!
    I was proven wrong.

  554. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    The real reason the Yanks can’t/won’t cut Farnsworth is that, outside of Mo and Joba, their bullpen remains decidedly thin and mediocre. If they had any kind of depth, Farnsworth would be (or should be) gone.

  555. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    well, well, and there you have it, Giambi woke his bat up this morning!

  556. Diggedy May 17th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    the yanks are the cure for what ails ya.

  557. Yankees fan stuck in Ohio... May 17th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    yankees should drop or trade giambi….wait….what do you think they should do chicago dave????

  558. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    I kind of understand the point about not bringing Farnsworth in a big spot – I’d always be initially nervous about having him in a really tight spot or bringing him with men on base. I’m just not all that sure how big a spot that was putting him in there – considering the offense seems to have decided the game was over and not worth fighting for after that 3 run inning.

  559. PJH May 17th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Dr. Cox.- A-Rod makes every hitter in the lineup better. Anyone that knows anything about baseball knows this fact. Everyone around him will get better pitches to hit. We are talking about last years MVP and arguably the greatest homerun hitter ever. So yes, A-Rod can be our savior.

  560. Scooter May 17th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    I love how Farnsworth can’t have a bad day without everyone (especially Pete) unloading on him as if he is the reason the Yankees are struggling.

  561. Laura May 17th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Giambi is so hit and miss. He either homers or does nothing.

  562. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    “and dave: look up farnsy’s stats for the past 3 weeks.”

    Career stats vs. stats for a three-week span. Hmmm…Nope, I’ve thought about it and decided that the career stats hold sway. (Hope you won’t find that too forward of me, my dear fellow.)

  563. stuart May 17th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Giambi apologist it is his fault he is hitting 188, his fault he cannot move and field and the Yankees have needed to cover his ass with other guys for 4 yrs..

    Giambi may be a nice guy to party with but he is top 5 worse FA signings by the Yankees ever and that is a select class with the likes of Tartabull, Kemp, Pavano, and others…

    Giambi gets no breaks remember the 2001 WS, he couldn’t play and screwed the team there also..

    I am not sure who I am looking more forward to be leaving; pavano, kyle, giambi, or other overpriced CRAP>>>>>>>

  564. Doreen May 17th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    An amendment to my prior post – I meant I don’t know anything ABOUT PITCHING. (I do know a lot of other stuff, though.) (Just a little levity here :) )

  565. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Maybe if someone puts some steak sauce on Farnsworth, Giambi will eat him.

  566. Igawa's buck teeth May 17th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Im so sick of this crap every year its the same thing! They play like Sh*t the first 2 months of the year then they turn it on and make the playoffs. Then they dont show up and go home in the first round. Ive seen this all before. This team is just boring and predictable.

  567. Dave May 17th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    I’d rather eat paint thanread the negative scribbles from sj44

  568. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Ellen, I just don’t believe you need to write a freakin history around every single thing about the Yankees. I don’t particularly give a rat’s ass how much Pettitte was signed for. That has little to do with his pitching. I’m also not high on endless overly dramatic renditions and dire predictions every single time a Yankee player struggles.

    AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU.

    Anyone with eyes can see that Andy has struggled, just as anyone with eyes can see that he got out of it today. Anyone with eyes can also see that Andy has had a bugaboo with particular innings, and it makes you think that you need to wonder about those innings and what is going on as opposed to Andy’s pitching in general.

    It is not the first time in Yankee history that a particular pitcher has had his game fall apart in a certain inning. They find ways past it.

    IN MY OPINION ANYWAY Andy is far too good and veteran a pitcher not to figure this out.

    Anyway, I don’t respect nor pay attention to posters who have the grim reaper as their best friends. A little too gruesome for my tastes.

  569. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    nice at bat by cano – at least he battled.

  570. Peter Abraham May 17th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    PJH:

    If they lose, that will be seven losses in 10 games and a 20-23 record. Plus an offense that seems to have no plan whatsoever beyond swinging at the first pitch they see.

    If that’s not a reason for people to get on the manager, I’m not sure what is.

  571. pat May 17th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    “I hope Girardi lets Farnsworth finish this mess. We’re going to need a bullpen tomorrow.”

    Have you ever seen Wang pitch? How many times has he gone less than 6 or 7?

  572. Mark Baker May 17th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    My fantasy team pitching roster is done. I had to drop Hughes. Pettitte & Verlander are struggling bad. Thank goodness for Carmona, Beckett, Chamberlain & Papelbon.

  573. Laura May 17th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    It is ridiculous that Santana is only at 81 pitches. The hitters simply aren’t working the count.

  574. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    not so much for Melky.

  575. Yankees fan stuck in Ohio... May 17th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    MOVE OVER BRIAN CASHMAN!!!! CHICAGO DAVE IS TAKING YOUR JOB!!! UH OH!!!

  576. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    How exactly is their bullpen mediocre, Chicago Dave? I’m really curious what brings you to that conclusion. I really have been under the impression that it was one of the bright spots so far this year, and had been unexpectedly good, and not just because of Joba and Mo.

  577. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Why do I keep watching? Why?

  578. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    If we could somehow get another run or 2….don’t think we will.

    Hope I am wrong..

  579. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    “Giambi gets no breaks remember the 2001 WS, he couldn’t play and screwed the team there also..”

    Giambi was an Oakland Athletic in 2001. You refer to 2003, perhaps?

  580. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    “Maybe if someone puts some steak sauce on Farnsworth, Giambi will eat him.”

    HA!!! I love it! That was a classic line…

  581. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    anyone know how many first pitch strikes Santana has this game? vs Pettite?

  582. stuart May 17th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    clowns if the score was tied Giambi would not hit a HR, santana is a pro, pitching to the scoreboard….

    gimabi is a waste the guy is hitting under 190……

    since when is 190 acceptable????? 250 is acceptable 190 is not acceptable…

  583. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Thanks Chicago Dave… Just trying to help the team.

  584. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    running out of time

  585. jimmy1138 May 17th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Giambi has now 20 hits this season but his total bases tally is 50. So total bases/hits is 2.5. Insane – no one comes even close to that in the league.

  586. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Then again, maybe Shelley Duncan has an even bigger appetite than Giambi. I say pass that A-1 down to Shelley and let him have a go at “Da Farns.” ;)

  587. Laura May 17th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Peter: If that’s not a reason for people to get on the manager, I’m not sure what is.

    But Pete, how is the lousy hitting Girardi’s fault? Is he telling the hitters to go up there and swing at the first pitch they see? I don’t think much of this is Girardi’s fault. I admit to not being a fan of his “different lineup a day” approach, but given what he has to work with, I understand it. At this point, I’m at a loss to explain what is wrong with this team. Heck, I’m ready to start blaming the lack of candy at this point.

  588. Dr. Cox May 17th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    “So yes, A-Rod can be our savior.”

    Its that type of mentality that is going to put A-rod in a huge slump when he comes back. Everyone is going to look to him as the Yankee hero and then when he goes 1 for 20, he will get booed.

    Will A-rod make the line up better? Absolutely. But dont expect the Yankees to go on winning streaks and start scoring an exuberant amount of runs SIMPLY because he is back in the line up. Dont expect it, im telling you, you will be let down.

  589. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    HA

  590. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Edwar???……oh boy…..now it’s gonna get really ugly.

  591. CB May 17th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    “If they had any kind of depth, Farnsworth would be (or should be) gone.”

    As long as you keep using Farnsworth late in games and don’t give other pitchers a chance in those spots then you will never know if another pitcher could do a better job than Farnsworth.

    If you don’t use other pitchers for a particular role then you won’t know what kind of depth you have.

    Farnsworth has pitched much better than the last two years. But that’s just not saying much because he’s been one of the worst relief pitchers in baseball the past two years (I sawy worst based on his home run rate, his walks/9 innings and his WHIP – ERA is deceiving for a relief pitcher).

    Sure this year he might be better – maybe he can improve to slightly above average.

    That doesn’t mean that he should be the go to guy late in games.

    I’m not blaming Girardi for using Farnsworth in this particular instance. I just don’t think he’s reinvented himself enough for him to be a guy you can count on to get big outs over the course of a long season.

  592. Yankees fan stuck in Ohio... May 17th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    farnsworth last 10 games pitched before today:

    1 er in 19 ip

  593. stuart May 17th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    I am terrible with dates it was the marlins WS my bad… he is junk, a steroid joke, look at giambi’s production..

    the guy is a lug head….

  594. Kevin May 17th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    The Yankees’ bullpen is 8th in baseball with a 3.24 ERA, and 4th with a .641 OPS against.

  595. Moshe Mandel May 17th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    Giambi didn’t help in the 2001 WS because he was playing for Oakland.
    And I think that is a stretch that it is such a bad contract. Its bad, but he had 4 very good years, where he got MVP votes.

  596. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    A-Rod makes every hitter in the lineup better. Anyone that knows anything about baseball knows this fact. Everyone around him will get better pitches to hit. We are talking about last years MVP and arguably the greatest homerun hitter ever. So yes, A-Rod can be our savior.

    No he doesn’t. the only hitters that will benefit from him in the line up are the nubmer 3 and number 5 hitter. After that, the Yankees have no offense.

    How does Molina get better pitches hit in the 8th spot because ARod is batting 4th. He doesn’t. Teams do what they will always do, walk ARod and get Giambit to hit into the shift, or Matsui to try and pull everything, or Posada grounding into a DP… then next inning, you have Cano, Molina/Moeller, and can’t slap hit Damon.

  597. Chris May 17th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    The Mets must be saying to themselves, “So, this is the Yankee team that are supposed to score 1,000 runs ” ?????

  598. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    You can’t really directly compare Andy to Santana. They’re not on the same plane. (And I mean no disrespect to Andy by saying that. Few pitchers in the game have the stuff and the makeup to be directly compared to Santana.)

  599. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    well, the only good thing is that the Red Sox aren’t doing so well either, and we’re not far out of first

  600. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    “I’m not blaming Girardi for using Farnsworth in this particular instance. I just don’t think he’s reinvented himself enough for him to be a guy you can count on to get big outs over the course of a long season.”

    I think that is a fair assessment.

  601. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Dr. Cox
    May 17th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Will A-rod make the line up better? Absolutely. But dont expect the Yankees to go on winning streaks and start scoring an exuberant amount of runs SIMPLY because he is back in the line up. Dont expect it, im telling you, you will be let down.
    ————————–
    I don’t expect that – I’d rather the team stop giving away at bats like they were Giambi’s used jock straps.

  602. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Just an FYI…

    Remember a few days ago how Matt Garza just completly made the Yanks look like little leagurers?

    Take a look at his line against the Cardinals today.

  603. Nick May 17th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    the offense is terrible. What do u expect without our 2 best hitters?

  604. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    stuart
    May 17th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
    clowns if the score was tied Giambi would not hit a HR, santana is a pro, pitching to the scoreboard….

    gimabi is a waste the guy is hitting under 190……

    since when is 190 acceptable????? 250 is acceptable 190 is not acceptable…

    BINGO!!!!! Somewhere, HGH syringes are crying and dying from lack of use.

  605. Yankees fan stuck in Ohio... May 17th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    You can’t really directly compare Andy to Santana. They’re not on the same plane. (And I mean no disrespect to Andy by saying that. Few pitchers in the game have the stuff and the makeup to be directly compared to Santana.)

  606. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Laura, I mentioned it as a possibility but when Kay, Cone AND Leiter say it, you really have to consider it as real. When someone is throwing nothing strikes, you just can’t hold back because you will not work up the pitch count, you will get struck out.

  607. Laura May 17th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    I see that STL didn’t have any problem with Garza today. I guess he’s only Cy Young when he’s pitching against the Yankees.

  608. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    4 pitch walk from Edwar… uh oh

  609. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    c’mon Edwar

  610. PJH May 17th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Pete- Look at this pitching staff. Wang and Mussina are the only consistent pitchers. He doesnt have a pitching staff like Torre did when he started out. He is with out his starting catcher and the MVP of Baseball last year. Please show me how its his fault that he has Jose Molina, Morgan Ensberg, Chad Moeller and Alberto Gonzales as substitutes for Alex Rodriguez and Jorge Posada. Any team with those guys out is gonna struggle. It does not matter who the manager is.

  611. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    CB – Thank you for weighing in with your assessment of Farnsworth. Finally a voice of reason speaks out!

  612. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    “But don’t expect the Yankees to go on winning streaks and start scoring and exuberant amount of runs SIMPLY because he is back in the line up.”

    I agree! There still would be issues with this offense even when both get back. When both where in the lineup the offense still wasn’t doing much.

  613. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    “The offense is horrendous, there is no heart, they dont look like they even care, there is no intensity from the top down and they are getting walked on and laughed at by the other teams in the major leagues. I dont care if we had a worse records at this point last year. This is a flat out worse team.”

    All of you ‘no heart’ guys, what do you want? Cano to break a bat over his leg? Matsui to kick a water cooler? Jeter to ground out and shoot a bird?

  614. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    “The offense is horrendous, there is no heart, they dont look like they even care, there is no intensity from the top down and they are getting walked on and laughed at by the other teams in the major leagues. I dont care if we had a worse records at this point last year. This is a flat out worse team.”

    All of you ‘no heart’ guys, what do you want? Cano to break a bat over his leg? Matsui to kick a water cooler? Jeter to ground out and shoot a bird?

  615. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Laura
    May 17th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
    I see that STL didn’t have any problem with Garza today. I guess he’s only Cy Young when he’s pitching against the Yankees.
    ——————
    who hasn’t been in the past two months??

  616. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    I’m gonna go play in traffic. Can’t be anymore painful than sitting thru this.

  617. Dr. Cox May 17th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    “the offense is terrible. What do u expect without our 2 best hitters?”

    I am so SICK of this excuse. Want to know what I expect? I expect a major league team with professional baseball players to string together a few runs here and there. Yes, even without their two best hitters. When you have awful pitching and live and die by the home run you are not going to win games.

    Nor make the postseason…(hint, hint)

  618. Blargh May 17th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    The Cardinals do score more than the Yankees (195 runs in 44 games before today’s games…which is still good for only 9th in the NL), but ouch, that’s a beating.

  619. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    any chance we can see Aaron Heilman today?
    :)

  620. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    “Just an FYI…

    Remember a few days ago how Matt Garza just completly made the Yanks look like little leagurers?

    Take a look at his line against the Cardinals today.”

    Inconsistency is the curse of young starters.

    Cueto’s had some amazing starts and some stinkers. He’ll probably be pretty damn good in his future. Ditto Garza.

  621. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    Over/under 2.5 runs vs Oliver Perez tomorrow

  622. Laura May 17th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    “Laura, I mentioned it as a possibility but when Kay, Cone AND Leiter say it, you really have to consider it as real. When someone is throwing nothing strikes, you just can’t hold back because you will not work up the pitch count, you will get struck out.’

    True, Trisha – But I don’t know that the Yankees only used this approach when the pitcher was firing strikes. It seems to me like it’s been every game. Maybe their lousy play has my perception off. I know it’s got my mood down.

    : (

  623. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    “farnsworth last 10 games pitched before today:

    1 er in 19 ip”

    Yanks fan in Ohio, don’t even bother. Posters who are down on Farnsworth will take any bad outing as an excuse to call for his head. Obviously cooler heads end up prevailing in all instances, and those certainly are not found on this forum during any Yankee loss! In fact, during a Yankee win you’ll still find posters bitching.

    An amazing phenomenon it is.

  624. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    V
    May 17th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    All of you ‘no heart’ guys, what do you want? Cano to break a bat over his leg? Matsui to kick a water cooler? Jeter to ground out and shoot a bird?
    ———————————-
    Leg? no. Water cooler? no. Bird? Only if it’s on a t-shirt and Farnsy was wearing it.

  625. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    Serioulsy, can we give up on Edwar finally? This guy has no business being in the majors.

  626. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    I love it. As SOON as the Yankees are losing, the same old posters come out of the woodwork.

    It makes one think you guys WANT the Yankees to lose. You aren’t here at ALL when they’re winning, but a single bad thing happens, and here you are.

  627. ellen May 17th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    At the risk of giving a history lesson, the Yankees are in danger of losing 7 of their last 10. But A-Rod was supposed to be all of the offense – the sun was in their eyes – their bats have holes in them – the food on the team plane was lukewarm – all of the pitchers they’ve faced are going to share the Cy Young this year – and being 3 games under .500 in mid-May is fashionable. Blast at will.

  628. stuart May 17th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    it is true Andy’s trouble today were his own doing, it is also true 3 runs 6 innings is far from terrible, and it is lso true when you cannot hit everything needs to go just right(fielding, baserunning, and pitching) and the Yanks are not that type of team. they have difficulty manufacturing runs, so far this yr no running game(supirse), and there pitching is middle of the road.

    and those crying arod will have to much pressure we=hen he comes back because of the exoectations many Arod has alot of mothers the guy is 32, signed a $250 mill contract, can he grow up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    newsflash he loves being the center of attention so don’t cry for poor old arod/..

  629. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    I’m starting to feel like a Cubs fan…The phrase, “Wait ’til next year!” keeps popping into my head. By that I mean wait until we can finally dump guys like Giambi after this season…And hopefully replace them with some more productive players. It would be great if some of those players end up coming from our own farm system as well…

  630. mel May 17th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Another Yankee game, another mention of O’neil and Hawkins.

    Coney said that number needs to be out there. Out there in Monument Park or out there on someone’s back.

  631. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Let’s have a contest.

    Guess how long the Yanks half inning lasts.

    I’m going with 2 mins. 45 secs.

  632. PJH May 17th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    No he doesn’t. the only hitters that will benefit from him in the line up are the nubmer 3 and number 5 hitter. After that, the Yankees have no offense.

    How does Molina get better pitches hit in the 8th spot because ARod is batting 4th. He doesn’t. Teams do what they will always do, walk ARod and get Giambit to hit into the shift, or Matsui to try and pull everything, or Posada grounding into a DP… then next inning, you have Cano, Molina/Moeller, and can’t slap hit Damon.

    Hmmmmmmmm. If hitters 3-5 benefit from A-Rod’s success, would that mean that hitters 6-9 will benefit from 3-5 success and 1-2 will benefit from 6-9 success. Would that make sense to you?

  633. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    “Blast at will.”

    You aren’t worth the effort.

  634. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Trisha,

    If you don’t think what Andy Pettitte is making is germain to the conversation, you don’t understand baseball.

    They are paying him that money to HOLD leads and to EAT innings.

    For whatever reason, he’s done neither so far this year.

    If you think the Steinbrenners are happy with that (especially Hank, given that he wanted Santana over Pettitte) and if you think guys just “figure it out” because that’s what they do, you are wrong.

    If Andy could just “figure it out”, he would have figured it out already.

    The fact that he can’t figure it out should tell you that its a problem.

    Its not an overstatement to say Pettitte’s struggles are a big problem for the Yankees. They are.

    They can’t afford to have him struggle. Not unless you think Kei Igawa, Darrell Rasner, Ian Kennedy, Steven White, or somebody else can give them the 200 innings and the 15-17 wins they are expecting from Pettitte.

    The offense? Its been awful so far this year. Yes, there have been injuries. Yet, the veteran players continue to swing at everything thrown at them. What’s the excuse for that? I’m waiting to hear that one.

    You think that’s good hitting?

    They are in last place. That’s reality.

    Whether I say it, Pete says it, or any other person or poster you dislike says it, that’s the reality of the situation.

    If I owned the team, I wouldn’t be doing cartwheels over todays performance, or the performance of this team to date.

    Sloppy baserunning, poor pitching and worse hitting. Not exactly winning baseball.

    To say its disappointing would be an understatement.

  635. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Alright! My rally cap is on..why? I don’t know…

    Let’s go Yankees! Shut all of us up and win this damn game.

  636. mel May 17th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Sorry, that should be:

    Out there in Monument Park or out there on someone’s back?

    (My mlb.tv keeps cutting in and out)

  637. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Laura, it is understandable to ask the question because the Yankees do seem to be less patient with their AB in general. However, when a team is struggling offensively I think that is almost an automatic. So it becomes like a dog chasing its tail since when you struggle you tend to press, etc. etc. etc.

    So the times when it makes sense to swing early get lost when your team is doing it constantly!

    You really need the wisdom of Solomon to keep your head about you when you are rooting for a team with big struggles.

  638. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    V
    May 17th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
    I love it. As SOON as the Yankees are losing, the same old posters come out of the woodwork.

    It makes one think you guys WANT the Yankees to lose. You aren’t here at ALL when they’re winning, but a single bad thing happens, and here you are.
    ————————————–
    Actually that’s not true. I’m here win or lose… it’s just that the Yanks happen to be losing more often than winning so it just seems like I’m here when they lose… I think… it happens so often now, I can’t tell.

  639. Laura May 17th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Well, at least we have delayed Willie’s firing for the time being. He may get another week out of this one.

  640. PJH May 17th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    35 minutes ;)

  641. Dr. Cox May 17th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    “I love it. As SOON as the Yankees are losing, the same old posters come out of the woodwork.

    It makes one think you guys WANT the Yankees to lose. You aren’t here at ALL when they’re winning, but a single bad thing happens, and here you are.”

    Ask around V, Ive been here for almost every game for the past 2.5 years. Im here win or lose. Even when the team was struggling last year they didnt look HALF as bad as they do now.

    Pop up after pop up after pop up.

  642. pat May 17th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    “No he doesn’t. the only hitters that will benefit from him in the line up are the nubmer 3 and number 5 hitter.”

    Partially true. But he also makes a pitcher exert more energy just by him being in the box. Most pitchers amp up to pitch to him and that pays off later in the games for all hitters.

    He also lengthens the line-up so the 5 hitter becomes the 6 hitter and so on.

  643. PJH May 17th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    Laura- Rehash that. Kyle Farnsworth delayed Willie’s firing for the time being.

  644. Dr. Cox May 17th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Live and die by the home run.

  645. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Homerun #11 for Santana…. boy this guy gives up a lot HR’s.

  646. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    SJ44, all of that said, I think Andy will find his way out of it. That’s why I go with the shorthand version of the situation. All of it goes by the wayside because of that.

    YAHOO BOBBY!!!

  647. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    hey- that would have won it for us.

  648. Simon B. May 17th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    “Serioulsy, can we give up on Edwar finally? This guy has no business being in the majors.”

    You mean the same Edwar that has yet to give up one run (earned or unearned) between 8 2/3 innings in the majors and 9 innings in the minors, striking out 23 along the way and only giving up 11 baserunners.

    Yes, every relief pitcher must be perfect every single time. No runners shall be tolerated! Give up on this guy in his rookie year!

  649. Doreen May 17th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Why oh why couldn’t somebody have been on base????

    But that was a nice, nice HR by Bobby Abreu.

  650. Scorpio May 17th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    The HR derby against Santana is nice…so what if we still lose. Blame Farnsy, I do.

  651. lurker May 17th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    this sucks damon cant even get on base. these homeruns are all santana not our hitting.

  652. mel May 17th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Go ahead run!

    Oh, wait…

  653. pat May 17th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Brandon is going to have to make many adjustments to his Santan HR count before he posts again.

  654. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Imagine if Joe Girardi didn’t put Farnsworth in a one run game.

    6-4. Just another tease?

  655. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    what a tease these guys are!

  656. Laura May 17th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Santana does like to give up the long ball.

  657. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Hey now! Is this sigms of life we are showing?

  658. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    As an aside -

    how stupid NY reactions are and the people who run with them.

    Does anyone here REALLY believe that Willie’s job is in danger? Please tell me you don’t mindlessly follow the NY press. It amazes me that anyone bothers reading beyond those kinds of headlines.

    Truly.

  659. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Derek Jeter is simply amazing

  660. Scorpio May 17th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Come on Willie, call in your bullpen!

  661. Laura May 17th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Jeter’s got Santana’s number.

  662. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    trisha – Legions of players in the history of baseball have had a good few weeks, a good few months, or even a good single season. That didn’t make them truly “good” players overall, however. Besides, you’re upholding a double-standard…If people criticize someone for having a bad few innings, a bad few at-bats, or even a bad few weeks, you go apoplectic. However, you also use the same spans of time to support your arguments. You really can’t have it both ways…

  663. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Sadly four runs off Santana should have been enough to win

  664. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    sunny615 and Dr. Cox, I’m calling you out as liars.

    Here or not, neither of you post until the Yankees are losing. It’s not hard to do a ‘CTRL+F’ and search for your name.

  665. Yankee Fan in Boston May 17th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    and now, what farnsworth did is criminal, giving up the second home run.

    No breaks for the Yanks.

  666. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    ok,maybe they can get something going here off this double! one more HR

  667. JR Yankees May 17th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Where’s Brandon with the Santana HR counter?

  668. Doreen May 17th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    On Jeter’s previous “hit” (where he was thrown out at second), is that simply an out or is it a single and then a fielder’s choice or something like that?

  669. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Hmmmmmmmm. If hitters 3-5 benefit from A-Rod’s success, would that mean that hitters 6-9 will benefit from 3-5 success and 1-2 will benefit from 6-9 success. Would that make sense to you?

    It would except our 6-9 hitters cannot hit. So, on a normal team with some offense my statement would be incomplete and yours would be correct.

    Didn’t say it like I should have so let me try again… Damon doesn’t get on consistently, so Jeter comes up with 1 out. Abreu may see better pitches because if they don’t get him then they could have Alex with 2 runners on. But, most will just go after Abreu because the pop is not there.

    Posada hitting after ARod, won’t always benefit becaue he hits into too many DP’s. If Giambi is hitting after ARod, then ARod sees nothing and they pitch to Mr. Shift. It is Matsui, they go away, go away, then come inside and jam him.

    So that leaves the 6-9 hitters with only Arod on base or no one on base which then means, they will not benefit with ARod in the lineup and the #3 or #5 hitters possibly seeing better pitches.

    Molina, Cano, Matsui, Damon, Cabrera(sometimes), Duncan, Giambi, Ensberg, Moeller, and Posada(sometimes) can all be dealt with by pitching to them and sticking to a pre-game plan that the other team’s scouts have put together.

    So, at the end of the day, ARod is in the lineup but not helping as much as you would think.

    For ARod to be effective and help the team, Cano, Cabrera, Matsui, and Posada need to start hitting, consistently. Then that makes ARod more dangerous because now you can’t “pitch around” him.

  670. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    whoever is doing something to get these guys going – please keep doing it.

  671. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Wow, Wagner.

  672. Laura May 17th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    “Does anyone here REALLY believe that Willie’s job is in danger? Please tell me you don’t mindlessly follow the NY press. It amazes me that anyone bothers reading beyond those kinds of headlines.”

    Oh, absolutely. In fact, I was surprised he didn’t get fired after last year’s collapse. The only reason Willie is still there is because there’s no one readily available to replace him. If the likes of Lou Piniella et al were available, he’d be gone already.

  673. Dr. Cox May 17th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Trisha:

    I have heard from sources (not the newspapers or media, but close personal friends within the organization) that IF they get swept, Willie is out.

    However, it does not appear that they will get swept. So there you have it.

  674. S May 17th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Wagner. :(

  675. CB May 17th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    “Why oh why couldn’t somebody have been on base????”

    That’s been the team’s problem all year. They are hitting for decent power as a team.

    They just aren’t getting enough guys on base. In particular, they are not drawing enough walks.

    Two home runs today. Two runs.

    It’s a shame. Santana threw a good game but it wasn’t a great game by any means. This wasn’t a start where he just had shut down stuff. If the offense was performing up to expectations this was a game you’d think they’d win. But the offense just isn’t getting it done.

    It’s funny – all the talk about Santana this year – he’s having a good season but nowhere close to the kind of season’s he’s had in the past and nowhere near what you’d expect from a guy you’re paying $20 million plus to.

  676. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    “On Jeter’s previous “hit” (where he was thrown out at second), is that simply an out or is it a single and then a fielder’s choice or something like that?”

    Single and an out.

  677. mel May 17th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Which Billy Wagner will we see?

  678. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Why warm up Joba unless you’re really certain it will be a tie?

  679. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    V
    you go right ahead – as Pete can vouch for me as being one of the first posters here back when he started this blog several years ago when he was using blogspot.

  680. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    The offense will be better when Arod and Posada return to the lineup.

    The issue is and always will be pitching.

    They have to pitch better to win.

    You can talk offense all you want but, this team has to have more than 1 or 2 reliable starting pitchers and they have to go deeper in games.

    They also have to hold leads. No excuses.

    Nobody wins without pitching.

    The pitching problems right now will dwarf the offensive problems as soon as Arod returns. Mainly because, you can’t replace a guy like Arod and expect anything close to the same production.

    Pettitte and Farnsworth killed them today. Pettitte blew another lead and Farnsworth couldn’t keep the game close.

    That’s the issue. Not the offense.

    The Indians are a worse hitting team than the Yankees this year. They are in first place because of pitching.

    Offense may put fannies in the seats but pitching wins in the end.

  681. Blargh May 17th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    And Wagner it is

    As I type this post, that’s 7.7 IP/4 ER (roughly 4.7 ERA) for Santana; to be honest, if you told me before the game that Santana would give up 4 runs today against our offense, I wouldn’t believe you. I still have trouble believing Santana giving up that 3rd run either. So what does that say about my expectations of our offense’s current state or Santana pitching against it?

  682. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Ugh, weak grounder by Matsui again.

  683. Neil May 17th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Great at bat from Matsui

  684. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Chicago Dave – you don’t get it. Probably everyone but you at this point has to admit that Farnsworth has re-invented himself. On top of it, the most important thing you don’t get is that Girardi believes in Farnsworth. So he is not going anywhere. And it doesn’t matter how much you bleat about it.

    Perhaps if I go back I’ll find posts where you wanted Mussina’s head too?

    I believe what my eyes tell me. Farnsworth has been great. Sorry he was human today. Perhaps you’ll have to get over it.

    GO YANKEES!!

  685. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    nice… game over

  686. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    great, Billy Wagner….Fox just replayed him in the Clubhouse after a recent loss, where he says that “he’s tired of the press hangin around his locker all the time,go after my fu-in teammates here, get them to talk for a change”

  687. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    PJH… there was Matsui at his best.. trying to pull everything.

  688. Dr. Cox May 17th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    “sunny615 and Dr. Cox, I’m calling you out as liars.

    Here or not, neither of you post until the Yankees are losing. It’s not hard to do a ‘CTRL+F’ and search for your name.”

    Press CTRL + F all you would like. I am even here during work, in the off season, and on off days. Infact, I have never even seen you here. I love how some people think they are “Kings of the Blog.” Thats like being the smartest kid in special ed.

  689. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Blargh: The problem is, I think that’s how all the Yankees fans feel right now

  690. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Great relief by Farnsworth

  691. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Oh and by the way V, Considering that I have a wife and soon to be three kids and actually do try to spend time with them I’m here whenever I’m able, but my kids and family will always come first. But anyone who was here back when this blog started (using blogspot – did you even know that) can vouch that I was here long before you.

  692. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Gang, I am putting this in print and some of you already have my email address, including Pete, so I am not skipping out of town.

    The thought that the Mets would can Willie is so ludicrous that I will put up $100 to each of you who actually have said you believe it, if it should happen.

    I am talking about during the season, not when it is over.

    You have to be whacked to actually think it would happen. That’s what I believe. Cripes the Wilpons supported the guy after last year’s collapse.

    Perhaps they believe in the maxim that the players actually have to perform once the manager puts them out there?

  693. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Matsui’s 3 for his last 25 after a previous hot streak.

  694. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Trisha, not to jump on you, but I sometimes wonder why you come to this forum. You spend an awful lot of your posting time criticizing what other people write on here, as if everyone should conform to some standard of yours in their comments. And then you say you don’t pay any attention to them — a contradiction.

    I don’t question your Yankee fandom, and sometimes you have intelligent things to say. And you tried to do me a nice favor once, which I still appreciate. But this isn’t your blog, it’s Peter Abraham’s blog on the LoHud site. Within certain boundaries, Peter has set it up so that people are generally free to express themselves as they see fit. If a pitcher is struggling, it’s not out of bounds to talk about it or comment on its impact on the team. Etc.

    Personally, I come on here becuase it’s a fun and more interactive way to enjoy Yankee games and I’ve learned a lot more about team and its prospects than I would if I just listened to the YES crew and read the morning papers.

    It gets annoying enough in here with the Red Sox trolls (and that Tampa troll, bless his heart), I don’t see what purpose it serves to jump on people for not viewing the team or a game through the same prism that you do.

  695. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Joba will be a starter this year. Girardi just trying to play with the media.

  696. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    “Oh and by the way V, Considering that I have a wife and soon to be three kids and actually do try to spend time with them I’m here whenever I’m able, but my kids and family will always come first. But anyone who was here back when this blog started (using blogspot – did you even know that) can vouch that I was here long before you.”

    I never said you weren’t.

    But you (and Dr. Cox) have been black clouds this season. Every single post I read of yours is negative. EVERY SINGLE POST.

    We get it. You’re disappointed in this team.

  697. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    “Oh and by the way V, Considering that I have a wife and soon to be three kids and actually do try to spend time with them I’m here whenever I’m able, but my kids and family will always come first. But anyone who was here back when this blog started (using blogspot – did you even know that) can vouch that I was here long before you.”

    I never said you weren’t.

    But you (and Dr. Cox) have been black clouds this season. Every single post I read of yours is negative. EVERY SINGLE POST.

    We get it. You’re disappointed in this team.

  698. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    SJ,

    can u tell me why Joba is out there? Does Girardi think their bats were just trying to be drama and come alive to win in the 9th? lol

  699. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    counter point trisha – understanding that wilpon gave a pass to willie – wouldn’t you think that he’d be on a pretty short leash this season? I would. But if you want to toss $100 my way, I’m all for it. Count me in.

  700. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Say what you want about SJ44, but he/she is 100% right. It is all about pitching. Cleveland is a perfect example. If it were not for their great pitching, the Indians would be 10 games under .500. The Yanks don’t have it this year period. Joba, lead off triple. Again, pitching, pitching, pitching. Enough said. Did Joba pump his fist there on that triple?

  701. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    FWIW, Sunny and Dr. Cox have been on this blog longer than the folks trying to keep score of the folks who have been on this blog.

    They both have been longtime posters.

  702. Moshe Mandel May 17th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    Sunny615 may not be the most positive guy, but I’ve been around on this blog for a while now, and Im pretty sure he predates every other person who posted here today. You cant say he isnt a real fan or doesnt care about the team.

  703. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    well said Nick in SF!

  704. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    trisha – Are you completely delusional? Try numbers like 4.42 and 26 of 54…Those would be your beloved Kyle’s career ERA and, secondly, the pathetic number of saves he has (again, for his career) out of save oppotunities he actually had. And those are just a couple of his sterling career numbers. Excuse me, but only someone completely out of their tree would call Farnsworth “great.” Calling Farnsworth “great” is an utter insult to all those relievers that actually deserve that title. Put it this way, if Farnsworth is “great” than Mariano Rivera single-handedly created the know universe…

  705. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Sunny615 has been around for a long time – at least the last 3 years. I can vouch for that.

  706. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    V – well, give that this team is in last place scoring an average 2 runs a game, you tell me what thrilling posts I should make.

    “That pitch Farns threw was awesome! Too bad Wright smacked into Kansas, but he’ll get him next time!! You go Farnsy!!” Is that better V? Did I appease you? You don’t like my posts then feel free to skip em. I don’t post to make you happy.

  707. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    “FWIW, Sunny and Dr. Cox have been on this blog longer than the folks trying to keep score of the folks who have been on this blog.

    They both have been longtime posters.”

    What the heck is this red herring?

    I never said they haven’t been here longer than I.

    I am saying that when the Yankees are doing well, they’re either silent (or interjecting negativity). When the Yankees are losing, the negativity catches fire.

  708. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Thats like being the smartest kid in special ed.

    Freakin funny!!!!!

    That was a good one… Can I use that at work with the idiots deal with?

  709. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Doesn’t matter if Yanks start hitting a little again. When 40% of your starting pitching staff hasn’t even won a game, what does that tell you? Now I am a Milwaukee fan till the night is over. Here is to getting CC next year.

  710. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Nick in SF, give me a break please. I actually don’t know what in particular you are talking about unless you are down on Farnsworth and this is your way of getting that across. People here do far worse criticizing of others and their posts. Go after them.

  711. Dr. Cox May 17th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    V,

    F Yeah Im dissapointed in this team and I come on here to get my frustrations out. What would you like us to do. Say “Oh its ok itll get better” when it is only gotten worse.

    How long Ive been on this blog is irrelevant (even though it has been a long, long time) As a Yankee fan I expect my team to play like Yankees.

    Sue me.

  712. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    not that anyone cares, but I was on this blog 2nd half of last season! I love it, and last season revealed that I’m friends with a former Yankee pitcher and after a few clues, Pete was the one that figured it out!

  713. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Look, Farnsworth had a bad day. Pettitte has had a bad month.

    What’s worse. Pettitte. Why? If Farnsworth becomes Farnsworth again, they can bury him in the bullpen because they have quality depth and some good arms in the ‘pen.

    If Pettitte keeps pitching like this, they don’t have another starting pitcher who can assume his role. That’s reality.

    Hopefully, he finds a way out of it. But, its been a month of the same struggles and that ain’t good for this team.

  714. V May 17th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Hey, if you guys love being angry, enjoy.

    I’d rather see the positive where I can find it than the negative.

  715. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    That was dumb to bring in Joba. Yanks aren’t going to score 2 runs in the bottom of this inning. Should have saved him for tomorrow night.

  716. V May 17th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    “As a Yankee fan I expect my team to play like Yankees.”

    What the hell does this mean?

    Really? What does it mean?

    What does it mean to ‘play like Yankees’? Winning 90% of their games by scores of 50-0?

  717. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Missed popup cost them a run. Man, what a sloppy game today from these guys.

  718. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    7-4

  719. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    nice, don’t know why Joba is out there in the 1st place

  720. Yankee Fan in Boston May 17th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    So it seems like when the Yankees meet a team thats struggling, the Yankees seem to be the team they break out against. It happened with the Indians, it’s happening with the Mets. When’s our chance to break out against a team?

  721. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Tch tch tch. Like I’ve been told on many occasions here, you have to develop a thick skin. Talk about a double standard!

    I still don’t know exactly what posts are causing some of you such discomfort.

    Or is it that I had the audacity to question SJ44. I would say that has to be it.

    Oh well. You’ll either get over it or you won’t.

  722. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    So why exactly is Joba in the game trailing?

  723. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Well 4 runs is 4 more than we usually get, that is a positive!!

  724. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    I’m positive Moshe … I am! :-D

    But when things go bad, my sarcasm takes root. I don’t diss this team or bail on them, but I think as a fan I’m allowed to vent my frustrations (as is everyone else here)with this team when they struggle mightily – and that is in the form of sarcasm. Like I said, I post what’s on my mind. I agree with a lot of what people post here and I disagree with what a lot of people post here, but I always speak my mind. And if you don’t like what I’m posting, you’re free to not read it.

  725. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    I think I just asked that LOL, why Joba is in there

  726. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Hey V, I’ll stay with you. It works better for me.

  727. pat May 17th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Shockingly, I tend to be leaning towards Trisha’s side re: Willie.

    It would be out of character for the Wilpon’s to write a 4 million dollar check to make Willie go away. That’s what he is still owed on his contract.

  728. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    20 pitches for Joba, Girardi won’t pitch him again till next Sat

  729. Jeff May 17th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Fire Bobby Meachem. He is awful.

  730. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    I’d rather see the positive where I can find it than the negative

    Where is the positives from this game? So far from the season?

    Mo, Chamberlain, AG, Cabrera, the closing of old Yankee stadium, the opening of the new Yankee stadium,

    There just isn’t much. Take a balloon filled with paint and throw it as hard as you can against a brick wall, that is the Yankee season to date.

  731. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Dang, Tampa has tying run on 2nd, down 8-7 GEES Can’t we play like the Rays?

  732. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    3 runs, NO PROBLEM! just dial in!

  733. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    I understand venting and frustration. Its the overreactive scapegoating, that turns this place into a cesspool at times.

  734. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    For those who have to have a silver lining to take from this game…I would say that Jetes is getting a bit of a power stroke going again. Other than that, it looks like it was lovely weather at the Stadium. There you go… Positivity reigns supreme!

  735. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    3 is good, but 4 would be better.

  736. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    “counter point trisha – understanding that wilpon gave a pass to willie – wouldn’t you think that he’d be on a pretty short leash this season? I would. But if you want to toss $100 my way, I’m all for it. Count me in.”

    Nah, not at all. In fact, Sunny, only an irrational fan would call for a manager’s head after 1/3 of the season.

  737. Scorpio May 17th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    GRAND SLAMMIE??? is that even TOO positive for the anti-neg fans to conceive?

  738. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    Tampa LOL

  739. Dean May 17th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    I cannot stand this yankees team. Once they’re down, you could just shut it off. I keep waitin for them to prove me wrong, I’ve been waitin for a while…

    Another thing, imagine if A-rod didnt re-sign, this is the team we would be lookin at all year…

  740. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    we needed the Mariners to break out, where oh where are the Mariners when you need them?

  741. V May 17th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    LEFT FIELD!!!1!!one!!2

  742. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Again, when Giambi gets his hits, he makes them mean something. which I guess is important.

  743. Dr. Cox May 17th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    “I’d rather see the positive where I can find it than the negative”

    I would LOVE to see some positives. Unlike you and Trisha (not a shot against you Trish, just making a point) I cannot simply turn every single loss into a positive.

    Like our new Skipper, I do not believe in “Moral Victories” such as:

    “Wow we actually scored 4 runs so thats a positive” or “Yay atleast we are hitting (solo) homeruns.

    Thats just the way I am. Doesnt make me any less of a Yankee, doesnt make you any more.

  744. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Giambi 2 hits, Yanks 4 runs….we win, we win!!!

  745. CB May 17th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    “So why exactly is Joba in the game trailing?”

    I’ve been wondering that myself. He’s had two days of rest. The only thing I can think of is that Girardi doesn’t want him to sit more than 2 days without pitching to keep him sharp?

    Nonetheless, when a guy is on an inning cap to waste one of his innings down two runs in the 8th is odd.

    Pitching in the majors is about making adjustments and Joba may need to do that. Hitters know not to swing at his slider – they’re just assuming it’ll dive out of the zone.

    That’s why Joba’s control hasn’t been as good this year. Also why his strikeout rate has decreased. It was inevitable – no pitcher could be nearly as successful as he was last year.

    But Joba may need to adjust his slider so it stays in the zone. He may need to take some of the extreme diving action off of it.

  746. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Love it. Yes just showed a clip of Giambi hitting a HR agains Minnesota that Kay says “made him a Yankee”.

    Ya but 2 days later he took the syringe and became overpaid, deadweight, non hitter.

  747. Angel May 17th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    You’re about as predictable with your stupidity here as you are at those sites you’ve been banned from. *rolls eyes* get some new material.

  748. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    the RAYS

  749. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Trisha, I suspect you have a better idea of what I’m talking about than you’re letting on. If not, please forget I said anything.

    Now let’s get someone else on base for the AG and Chad Moeller!

  750. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    trisha – I’m not calling for anyone’s head – as a fan, I don’t think Willie deserves anything, but my point was that Wilpon is the man here, and he already has Minaya on a short leash and Minaya and Willie are tied at the hip. :-D

  751. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    CAN NOOOO

  752. V May 17th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    “I’ve been wondering that myself. He’s had two days of rest. The only thing I can think of is that Girardi doesn’t want him to sit more than 2 days without pitching to keep him sharp?

    Nonetheless, when a guy is on an inning cap to waste one of his innings down two runs in the 8th is odd.

    Pitching in the majors is about making adjustments and Joba may need to do that. Hitters know not to swing at his slider – they’re just assuming it’ll dive out of the zone.

    That’s why Joba’s control hasn’t been as good this year. Also why his strikeout rate has decreased. It was inevitable – no pitcher could be nearly as successful as he was last year.

    But Joba may need to adjust his slider so it stays in the zone. He may need to take some of the extreme diving action off of it.”

    Agreed – he at least needs to do the ‘two sliders’ thing – one that dives out of the zone, and a second that hits the zone.

  753. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Tampa has tied it WOW

  754. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    “GEES Can’t we play like the Rays?”

    The Rays are an exciting team. They’ve managed to combine some great young position players with some outstanding young pitchers at the same time. That’s an enviable situation to be in for sure! Though I’m a Yankee fan, I’m glad to see what’s going on down in Tampa. Maybe they’ll start attracting some fans finally!! Besides, as long as they keep whupping Boston, you just have to love them! They’re just flat-out fun to watch (something sorely missing right now in our Yanks).

  755. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Dr. Cox, no offense taken whatsoever.

    I understand that not everyone finds positives in the midst of a lot of negatives. The differences are what makes the world go round.

    I do question people, though, who manage to find nothing but negatives!

    :)

  756. Today's burning question May 17th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    When was the last come from behind win ?????? [Good] Yankees teams have always manufactured those types of wins to fire the team up.

  757. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    damn it! I was ready to lose, this just makes it hurt worse, b/c i feel a DP ball here.

  758. sunny615 May 17th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    whoop – my boss is calling me – c ya all. Hopefully the Yanks come back… happy blogging to everyone!

  759. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Trisha,

    I could care less of you question me. I don’t lose a bit of sleep over it. Its an interactive forum.

    Where you go off the rails is when you tell folks what to write or how you believe they should act in supporting the team.

    There are folks posting on this forum that spend thousands of dollars on tickets watching this team, home and the road, every year. There are folks reading (and posting) on this forum who WORK for the Yankees.

    There are casual fans who enjoy the interactive experience and the give and take that goes on.

    There aren’t one size fits all sets of fans. Some are positive. Some are negative. Some are analytical, some are not.

    If you are around here long enough, its easy to pick out the trolls. Not everybody who is cheerleading about every Yankee player is a troll. Far from it.

    I think the point Nick was making is, you go nuts when folks fail to see things through your eyes.

    It gotta tell ya, its a waste of time. We all have different views, opinions and ideas about this team.

    Right now, they stink. That’s reality.

    They are in last place. They are playing like crap and there doesn’t seem to be an end to the sloppy listless play.

    Will it go on like that for the next 118 games? Doubtful.

    It also doesn’t mean they are going to rip off another 51-25 streak.

    I think one of the problems this team has right now is they play with ZERO sense of urgency.

    Its almost as if they are waiting for Arod and Posada to return. That ain’t gettin’ it done and its not out of line for posters to discuss these issues.

    2 on, 0 outs, 3 runs down, and Melky swings at the first pitch. That’s just dumb baseball. Geez.

  760. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Two on, and Melky swings away first pitch

  761. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Terrible AB by Cabrera… freakin terrible.

  762. Laura May 17th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    OMG, are we really trying to rally here?

  763. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    come on Shelly,here’s your chance to stay in lineup more regularly!

  764. Kenneth Keith Kallenbach May 17th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    this is what you’ve been waiting for Shelley, go for it.

  765. ham fighter May 17th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    where’s ruben sierra when we need him?

  766. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Well said SJ

  767. Dr. Cox May 17th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    I dont like it when Shelley has two strikes on him.

  768. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    “Trisha, I suspect you have a better idea of what I’m talking about than you’re letting on. If not, please forget I said anything.”

    As I am not a games player, I’ll just have to forget that you said anything. I may be opaque but I am not a liar.

  769. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Well, they looked a little better today

  770. Kenneth Keith Kallenbach May 17th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    this is what you’ve been waiting for Morgan, go for it.

  771. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Duncan strikes out.. Yanks don’t score.

  772. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    I absolutely hate this team.

  773. V May 17th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    I don’t know how you can expect guys used to playing every day to be good bench guys. Shelley went on his hot streak last year as a starting player getting 4-5 ABs a game.

    There aren’t many good pinch hitters out there.

  774. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Of all the scrubs on all the teams in MLB, the best we can come up with is Shelley Duncan?

  775. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    This team has a lot of aggressive hitters. Some rally.

  776. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Clutch, rally, isn’t in this teams vocabulary

  777. Laura May 17th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    I think it’s time for Shelley to go back to the minors.

  778. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    and there you have it…..Laura, that’s not a rally, that’s called a teaser!

  779. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Ahhh…Ruben Sierra…I miss that dude!

  780. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    The Yankees loose, again. Yawn

  781. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Two great AB’s by Melky and swing and miss Duncan..

    Shelly has turned into Joaquin Phoenix’s character in the movie Signs…

    Either hits an HR or strikes out.

    Game over.. uuuggghhh

  782. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    CB,

    Don’t you think the adjustments we talk about Joba needing to make reinforces why its time for him to go to the rotation.

    If he is working out of the bullpen, he’s a two pitch pitcher. If guys are going to lay off his slider, 50% of his effectiveness goes out the window.

    As a starter, he gets to use his full reportoire of pitches and that makes it easier to make adjustments.

    When you are in the ‘pen, you just don’t have that luxury.

    Thoughts?

  783. Diggedy May 17th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Dear Alex & Jorge,

    Come back soon.

    Love,

    Diggedy.

    PS – call Chad Curtis, Shane Spencer, and Dion James and see if they can come out to play.

  784. lil' m May 17th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Pete, I hope you’re right about the team planning to move Joba to the rotation this season. As important as a good bullpen is, today’s game shows how hard it is to win consistently without really good starting pitching. Joba is too talented for them not to try it, and the way the pitching has been this year, they have little to lose.

  785. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    wow

  786. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Anyone catch Kay’s comment about Giambi a few mins ago about the swing that “made him a yankee”… LOL.

  787. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    like I said, one big fat TEASE! PAINFUL!

  788. Kenneth Keith Kallenbach May 17th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    this is what you’ve been waiting for Jason Lane, go for it.

  789. TKinDC May 17th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    I can’t believe this guy is nibbling against ENSBERG!

    he should loosen his thong.

  790. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Unbelieveable

  791. Dr. Cox May 17th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Hey lets put a positive spin on that:

    Atleast he struck out swinging, right? RIGHT?

    And why the hell are they playing Frank Sinatra’s NY, NY???

  792. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Girardi is a genius

  793. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    Hank, use some force on this team and NOW

  794. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    When exactly does the statute of limitations run out 96-00?

  795. Pepper Brooks May 17th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    Think Elliot Spitzer got more for $4000 than the Yankees get for $200 mill.

  796. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    $200 million dollar payroll and you’re counting on losers like Duncan and Ensberg to win games for you.

    What a joke.

    Everyone on this team should be ashamed of themselves.

  797. V May 17th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Ah, nothing like a Yankees loss to get the losers to come out. I’m speaking to you, Bob.

  798. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Russ M,

    please don’t take this the wrong way, but it’s not loose, it’s LOSE!

  799. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Did the Yanks win or lose today? They have a 50-50 shot of winning

  800. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    all this stuff about “true yankees” and the “yankee way” are so absurd now.

  801. lurker May 17th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Not even making the playoffs. Blah blah blah last season

    its over.

  802. V May 17th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Did I miss the memo where $X = y wins?

  803. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Loose, lose, loost, lost, not win, last place, what’s the difference? LOL

  804. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    i cant blame the yanks for tossing scrubs like ensberg and duncan up there when 2 starters are out

  805. Laura May 17th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Well, on the bright side, we have a better record than DET.

  806. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    If Duncan plays more he will hit with POWER.

  807. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    what swing of Giambi’s was Kay referring to?

  808. russ m May 17th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Oh well, I think the sun will come up tomorrow

  809. dennis May 17th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Yankees in my opinion are in the bottom 4 worst teams in the AL.

  810. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    the only positive you can take away from today is santana didnt look dominant. thats it.

  811. Igawa's buck teeth May 17th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    If the Yankees keep Joba in the pen I wont watch them anymore. I mean they are unwatchable to start with

  812. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Ensberg…He is what he is. If only they allowed him to hit with a paddle (a very large, very broad paddle!) he might sniff a hit. Still, if not for Alex being on the DL he wouldn’t be playing quite so much, and he was never intended to get this much regular playing time to begin with. This is how injuries kill a team.

  813. mel May 17th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Well, that’s all folks. Valiant effort, but two big innings doomed them.

    Looking forward to a good effort by Wang and losses by the Rays (lol, can you believe it?) and Sox.

  814. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    when they showed the clip if his GS against the twins in the rain…

  815. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Russ M,

    maybe the players should go find some “LOOSE” women tonite and get some new tail and get it out of their system and come to play tomorrow nite! LOL

  816. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Russ M,

    maybe the players should go find some “LOOSE” women tonite and get some new tail and get it out of their system and come to play tomorrow nite! LOL

  817. V May 17th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    I actually thought the Mets pitched Duncan very well – that first pitch especially – you have a power hitter who’s desparate to do something to help his team. The last thing you want to do is throw a first pitch fastball in the strike zone against him.

  818. Vrsce May 17th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    That was a humiliating loss.

    I feel sorry for the guys on the team.

  819. Igawa's buck teeth May 17th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Duncan sucks when has he ever done anything but pop up and strike out

  820. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    The Wanger will stop the Bleeding

  821. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Here’s more bright side: we have the ace of our staff pitching tomorrow night and we are guaranteed to not lose on Monday.

  822. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Did I miss the memo where $X = y wins?

    Don’t be an idiot V.

    If you can’t see how pathetic it is that a team with the resources of the Yankees is relying on AAAA scrubs and washed up major league retreads than I don’t know what to say to you.

  823. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    V-
    yes, they pitched SUPERBLY to a career AAA and bench player. gotta hand it to them

  824. ER, from the set of May 17th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    The Mets are just playing at Uber level compared to the yanks. The results are not surprising. Nine of any of us could rout the yanks anyday, even if our pitcher is Igawa.

    Mets will sweep. Then the Orioles will sweep.

    Didn’t I predict this 2 days ago? LOL.

  825. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    The bullpen was due for a bad day. They have been carrying the pitching staff for too long.

    If you need your bullpen for 3-4 innings, 5-6 days a week, to throw shutouts, you are playing with fools gold.

    The starting pitching was poor again today. Don’t give me this 6 inning, 3 runs nonsense. That was FAR from a quality start if you watched the game. Another multi-run lead blown.

    The offense has been what its been all year. Awful.

    That said, 3 HR’s and 4 runs off Santana, if your starting pitcher was on (or was Wang) that’s a win.

    Something has to light a fire under this team. If last place doesn’t do it, I don’t know what will.

    Only so much a manager can do when the entire team plays this poorly. It still comes down to the 25 guys on the roster.

    They simply have to play much better than they have played so far this year.

    They played a DEAD Mets team today and looked worse. That’s quite a (non)accomplishment.

  826. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Jeter’s future wife, I like how you think. Of course that way of thinking is more likely to help you end up as Jeter’s future ex-wife.

  827. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Vrsce
    May 17th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
    That was a humiliating loss.

    I feel sorry for the guys on the team

    Why is that? You think they actually care?

  828. Laura May 17th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    “and we are guaranteed to not lose on Monday.”

    Wow, Nick – is that how bad things have gotten that we have to look forward to an off day? Sad, just sad.

  829. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    A Rod to return Bombers will roll.

  830. JoeD May 17th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    This is simply and old bad team. They’ll be out of it by July, at which point, hopefully they can deal some of these old contracts and move Joba to the rotation. It’s time to look ahead to 2009.

  831. Scorpio May 17th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    Wang’s up tomorrow, hopefully he’ll pitch a shut out.

  832. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    i hope we dont embarras ourselves on Ntl ESPN Sunday nite baseball

  833. randy l May 17th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    “Randy, Mets won’t have to use their bullpen, so what is your point today?”

    um, that’s the point.

    mets pitchers threw 117 pitches.
    yankee pitchers threw 181 pitches.

    the yankees missed an inning and 2/3 of the mets middle relief by letting santana off with so few pitches per hitter and inning. maybe if they would have seen the middle relievers they would have score more runs. the probability is there.

    the yankees used to wear pedro out and beat the relievers that came in. that’s how to beat any really good pitcher make him work and get him out of there.

    the inverse works for yankee pitchers. they need get them out asap without being overly predictable . starters need to attack the zone and not use up their bullets so they can go deep into the game.

    the yankees really are out of sync right now.

  834. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Worse than that, Laura, it’s gotten to where we have to care (or pretend to care) about a game between the Rays and the Cardinals. Ouch!

    But I do believe things will get better.

  835. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    I said it before… this team is toxic mix of high priced, over-the-hill veterans, not quite ready for the majors youngsters with a few good players sprinkled in. no more, no less. this season shouldnt be a shock to anyone

  836. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Play Shelley and he will produce, anyone with a Baseball Brain can see that.

  837. CB May 17th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    “Don’t you think the adjustments we talk about Joba needing to make reinforces why its time for him to go to the rotation.”

    SJ,

    I absolutely agree with you and that’s exactly what I had in mind when I was writing that.

    The ultimate adjustment in his development will come when he gets into the starting rotation and he’ll be free to use all 4 of his pitches instead of just two (one of which major league hitters are starting to figure out).

    At the start of this season I was thinking there was no way that there was no way joba could be as dominant as a starter as he has been as a reliever just because the nature of the roles is so different and starting is so much more demanding.

    But watching him throw this year – I actually think that he’s being caged by the relief pitcher role. It’s working against him because it’s limiting him to only throwing those two pitches.

    I think the time is fast approaching where he needs to get out of this role. He’s reaching a limit of where he can go in that relief pithing role. He’s so much better and complete a pitcher than what he can do in the pen that it’s hampering what he can do.

    By temperament and experience Joba is a starter and I think that’s starting to show.

    As a starter Joba would know exactly what to do when a hitter makes an adjustment to his slider – throw the curve and the change. As a reliever I think he’s trying to figure out what to do. It seems like he’s trying to think it through as a reliever.

    That’s part of why he keeps shaking off the catcher as a reliever – he’s thinking like a starter but unable to use all of the tools he knows he could use as a starter.

    His numbers as a starting pitcher won’t be as good as they are as a starter. But I’m of the mind now that he’ll not only be orders of magnitude more valuable in the rotation but that he’ll be a better pitcher as a starter than he is a a reliever.

    Watching him pitch out of the pen this year – he’s dominant but that dominance looks forced. It doesn’t seem like it’s a natural role for him.

    As a starter I don’t think there would be any issue with him adjusting to hitters laying off the slider. Not with a curve that good. But then he’s been told to not get beat with his second or third best pitch out of the pen, etc.

    Look at what Tim Lincecum is doing for the giants this year – I’m looking forward to Joba finally getting into the rotation where he belongs.

  838. Southern Yankee May 17th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Good God folks! They lost a game, not the WS.

    SJ -

    The whole team played poorly ?

    Jeter 3 for 4, double, homer 2 rbi! Poorly ?

  839. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Jeter’s future wife
    May 17th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
    i hope we dont embarras ourselves on Ntl ESPN Sunday nite baseball

    Why not…pls explain

  840. pat May 17th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    How self important are some people that they need to use a generic web address like yankees.com just so their name is in bold to post on a blog.

    That’s the definition of “looser”.

  841. lurker May 17th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    “But I do believe things will get better.”

    What other direction is there?

  842. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Nick,

    i don’t behave that way, but we’re desperate here!

  843. Jax May 17th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    “I actually thought the Mets pitched Duncan very well.”

    Not that hard to figure him out: Don’t throw him a FB.
    I like Shelly but when you make your ML debut at the age of 28 you’re pretty much a career minor leaguer. He seems to have never figured out how to hit something other than a FB.
    It brings up another point could his success he had last year had to do with the league not knowing him?

  844. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    has anyone been on Phil Hughesblog lately? or did he take it down?

  845. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    At least we’ve always got Jeter to watch. He had a great game today.

  846. Blargh May 17th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Can’t say I expected a win today, so I’m not disappointed much, relatively.
    6 IP/3 ER (4.5 era territory) is the kind of result I expected from Pettitte, so even if was part of killing the game for the Yankees, I can’t be a hypocrite and blast him for it.
    Farnsy’s 3 run blast; that hurt in the came back to bite ya way. Extending the deficit from 2-3 to 2-6 was kind of deadening the pain at the time; if you’re gonna lose, losing big isn’t so taunting with the what-ifs. I’ll say it again, I didn’t expect 2 more runs for the Yankees at that point. Then Giambi and Abreu homer, and I’m thinking ‘…ahhh damnit, now Farnsy really hurts now’.
    Wagner’s WHIP was somewhere in the 0.6-0.7 range, so I wasn’t expecting a comeback win. At least that expectation held, bleh.

    After scoring 4 off the LEGEND that is Santana, I do expect more than 1 run off of Perez tomorrow. No more of that losing when Wang gives up 1 run business, damnit.

  847. Tiple OG May 17th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Getting Arod back will not make Damon Melky or Duncan hit

  848. JoeD May 17th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Meacham should be fired after this game…Duncan should be sent down…Ensberg should be DA’ed. Hopefully, Hank will rip into them again and bring the axe. It’s time to start breaking up the complacency.

  849. mel May 17th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    And of course, Daisuke’s going to get out of the leadoff double.

    Nick,

    I prefer to think of it as every game is important. Losses for division teams (yes, the Rays too) are wins for us. Just imagine all the possible permutations that could occur in a season. Sometimes it can come down to missing the playoffs by a game.

    And of course, Daisuke escapes again.

  850. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    Oh well.

    Wish I could be more upset but I just can’t. I’ve rooted for the Yankees when they were a last place team before so I don’t see spinning out now.

    As David Wright, I believe, said about the Mets and their malaise, (paraphrase) We know we’re a much better team than this and our players are much better than they’ve been showing.

    My greatest difficulty here is being too rational in the middle of something that is highly emotional.

    I tend to be a big picture person anyway, so it is very hard for me to get lost in minutiae or carried away in the moment.

    Onward and upward.

  851. BronxBomber61 May 17th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    This game clearly changed momentum on the stupidity of Bobby Meacham, you never get a runner thrown out at home with no outs. Who knows how many runs the Yankees would have scored that inning with Jeter, Matsui and Giambi coming up with second and third and no outs.

    They should have offered Bowa twice as much to stay in New York.

  852. Vrsce May 17th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    bigpopp

    I think they do care, no one likes to look pathetic, no matter how rich they are.

    As for the season, shocked, yes. Surprised, no.

  853. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    “Complacency”…Isn’t that the reason they got rid of Torre? Girardi was supposed to be the cure for complacency. Just sayin’…

  854. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    This game clearly changed momentum on the stupidity of Bobby Meacham, you never get a runner thrown out at home with no outs. Who knows how many runs the Yankees would have scored that inning with Jeter, Matsui and Giambi coming up with second and third and no outs.

    They should have offered Bowa twice as much to stay in New York

    Yes, becuase the Yanks have been lights-out hitting with RISP this season.

  855. Victor the Predictor May 17th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Out of necessity, there will be at least a 30% roster turnover by June 15th compared to what is seen today.

  856. randy l May 17th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    “If you need your bullpen for 3-4 innings, 5-6 days a week, to throw shutouts, you are playing with fools gold.”

    i agree. we are saying the same thing from a different perspective.

    i’m focusing on pitch count because it’s something a team can control to some extent. a hitter can make a decision to see a lot of pitches. he can narrow down his hitting zone on the first pitch to avery small area. if he gets it he goes after it. 9-10 times he’s taking it.

    the yankees aren’t doing this. it’s very much a team effort kind of thing too. a player passes on a tired pitcher to the next hitter. if everyone is doing it, everyone will still get their hacks.

    the yankees have handled matszaka in this way. i would hate to see them face him now the way they are approaching hitting.

  857. Rick May 17th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Joba is human. He is pitching in the major leagues against major league hitters. He and Mariano are the bright spots of a dismal Yankee season.

  858. pat May 17th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Phil updated his blog this week.

  859. Fire Meacham May 17th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Start there and work your way through the roster! Go for it Hank!

  860. Vrsce May 17th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    You are right about Bowa. His fire and intensity is sorely missed

  861. Bob May 17th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Who knows how many runs the Yankees would have scored that inning with Jeter, Matsui and Giambi coming up with second and third and no outs.

    Given this teams’s track record with RISP this season, I’d say zero would be the most likely answer.

  862. lurker May 17th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    yeh screw Meacham too

  863. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 17th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Just got home, I left the game early, was tired. I got to the stadium for the Mussina meet and greet at 9:30. Everything had to move quickly because Mike had to run and take bp so I didn’t get a chance to ask him anything. He gave us a copy of his book (my third copy!!, I bought one, someone gave me one, and I had the copy from Mike!!). After he signed everything we were told we couldn’t leave the stadium but were allowed to sit next to the dug out. We yelled to the players as they came out, saw Jorge work out he was tossing a big medicine ball. The only ones that didn’t acknowledge us were Melky and Jeter!! Shelley was way away from us me and my friend yelled hey Shelley he looked up to see who was yelling, we waved he waved back! :)

    Anyway onto the game. I don’t care he got the win, but Johan looked like garbage! He gave up tons of homeruns, if this team was at full strength he would have been handed the loss. Hopefully everyone stops talking about how we could have gotten Johan. Johan gave up 11 homeruns this year!!

    Also No way Damon should have been sent! I was shocked when he was running home! BIG MISTAKE!!

  864. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    I was against hiring Meacham simply for superstitious reasons. After all, he’s a remnant from the dark times of the 1980s. Bringing him back was inviting bad luck…

  865. CB May 17th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    “This game clearly changed momentum on the stupidity of Bobby Meacham, you never get a runner thrown out at home with no outs.”

    Didn’t Jeter lead off an inning earlier this week with a triple and the team failed to score him.

    Man on third and no outs. They can’t get him home.

    I may be misremembering that – Jeter’s triple may have been with one out. But I think it was.

    They’ve failed to get guys on third home all season. Even with less than 2 outs and a guy on third they haven’t been getting runs home consistently.

  866. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Vrsce
    You are right about Bowa. His fire and intensity is sorely missed

    Thats sad. A team with veterans such Jeter, Giambi, Matsui, Damon, Abreu and Pettite sholdnt need “fire and intensity” to get them going

  867. Southern Yankee May 17th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Not as a result of this game but on general principals both Duncan and Ensberg have got to go. Shelley is a career minor leaguer and the other guy is a has-been or never-really-was. Yanks are a good team but the bench is terrible ( exclude back-up catcher).

  868. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Jennifer-
    pretty soon you will able to wave at Shelley as he cuts my lawn

  869. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Bowa was also Cano’s mentor and motivator…Without his presence, Cano has clearly been a different player this year.

  870. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 17th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    BTW lots of players were going into the stadium early!! I didn’t realize that they get there so many hours before the game.

    Also when we were with Mike at the meet and greet (right behind homeplate) we could hear someone yelling above us, sounded like it was from the press box area. Just thought it was funny, it was too difficult to figure out what was being said.

  871. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Hank needs to hire that vet that put 8 Bells down as the new team physician

  872. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Chicago Dave,

    I think you’re right about everything you say, but i doubt Jeter thinks he had a great game, that slide into 2nd was totally horrible and he knows it, that’s what he’s thinking about and not the homer or hit.

  873. LAST PLACE YANKEES May 17th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Get used to it…how sad. I bet Arod wishes he opted out now!

  874. remembering bobby meacham May 17th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    “I was against hiring Meacham simply for superstitious reasons”

    the name bobby meacham is synonymous with eerie 80′s.

  875. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    3-4 for Jeter=positive.

    Horrible baserunning decision and a misplayed popup=negative.

    Add to it a loss and overall, yes, the entire team played poorly today. Even Jeter. He would be the first to agree with that assessment.

    Randy,

    Bingo. It its a team that is completely out of sync.

    Only two things to change it the Yankees lack. Big offensive performances and dominant starting pitching.

    It seems like you fix one problem (the bullpen) another comes up.

    Moose finds it, Pettitte loses it.

    Its one thing after another. The kind of things that losing teams do.

    CB,

    I agree. The more you watch Joba pitch, the more you realize just how good a starter he will be.

    Being in the bullpen now is hurting his development. If he’s going to be a top of the rotation starter, what the Yankees project him to be, its time to begin making that transition.

  876. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Bowa was also Cano’s mentor and motivator…Without his presence, Cano has clearly been a different player this year.

    Which says alot about Cano and even more about Cashman… if any player needed motivation (i.e., not a guaranteed contract before free agency) it is Cano

  877. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Chicago Dave,

    you’re right about Cano/Bowa, but geez Cano is a professional athelete, get the f-ck over it and get it together!

  878. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 17th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Fire Al Leiter?

    On my blog, I’ve been keeping a counter of the Yankees’ games and the various announcing combinations.

    The Yankees’ record when Al Leiter is in the broadcast booth?

    2-8.

    On the flip side, the Yankees are 7-2 when Paul O’Neill is in the booth

  879. rconn23 May 17th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    “Play Shelley and he will produce, anyone with a Baseball Brain can see that.”

    I’m assuming that’s a joke. Because he sucks.

  880. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 17th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Question I think it ended up being Pettitte’s big inning, a ball went to Jeter should he have had it? I thought it was hit slow enough for him to get to it.

  881. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    Jeter’s future wife – You’re probably right. Then again, that’s part of the reason Jeter is the fantastic player his is! While other guys are taking the collar and striking out in key situations, Jeter doesn’t care that he is one of the few guys atually coming through. All he cares about is the one mistake he made!

  882. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    SJ44,

    is there a reason why the lineup has been changed so much, why in the world is Damon still leading off?

  883. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 17th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    SJ44- watching todays game it seemed like everything broke the Mets way. The play at home, I spoke to someone and they told me Damon was out, when I watched it he looked like he got his toe in there before the tag.

  884. Alan May 17th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    There can be no question now about how George has declined.
    Not long ago, he would have been livid at today’s effort and tomorrow’s tabloid quotes would see Meacham squarely on the hot seat.
    He would not have taken the AL East standings into account whatsoever.

  885. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Jennifer- the mets won today because they player better. had nothing to to do with “breaks”. and damon was out

  886. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    SJ44 – How can you say “3-4 = positive” and then go on to say that Jeter had a poor game? In my mind, the word “poor” cannot co-exist with “positive.” If you want to say he had a poor (or, less-than-stellar) day in the field, than fine. But there is no debating he had an outstanding day with the stick, and that is saying a lot given how poorly this Yankee offense has been performing.

  887. ellen May 17th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    trisha: with all due respect, being too rational is not your greatest difficulty.

  888. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    I thought Girardi was all about accountability, well….???? where is it and who is being held accountable?

    HOW LONG do you wait for Giambi to hit?

    HOW LONG will it take Kevin Long to talk to the players in the dugout during a game and tell them what to do or how to adjust and not just sit OR stand there and chew and eat sunflower seeds?

    HOW LONG will it take for Joba to be in the rotation where he belongs? If there was ever a time to do it, it’s now. Our rotation is a hot mess!

  889. BronxBomber61 May 17th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Quote from Bob
    “Given this teams’s track record with RISP this season, I’d say zero would be the most likely answer.”

    They would have scored at least one on the Jeter line-out.

  890. CB May 17th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Cano was as bad last year, if not worse, to start the season as he’s been this year. Bowa was there at the start of the season last year.

    Cano is slowly starting to come out of that deep funk. He hasn’t been great but he’s getting hits fairly consistently over the last two weeks.

    It’s not the coaches. It never is. It’s the players – they have to get their patience back at the plate themselves and the back end of the rotation has to step up (which is a problem that is going to get addressed when Joba gets into the rotation)

  891. ellen May 17th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    Rebecca: congrats on your degree! I’m not sure I’ve had the chance to pass that on. Enjoy Fordham. Also, thanks for being an optimist who doesn’t feel the need to attack anyone here. It’s appreciated, especially when things are not going well.

  892. rconn23 May 17th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    I love how some people on this blog are so frustrated they
    blame Jeter for the Yankees woes. He is the only consistent player for the club as it is right now.

    He’s the best with RISP. People who moan about his power, well, he’s never been a power hitter. He’ll hit about 11 or 12 this year. That’s really what he’s always done.

    He is the only guy that I consistently have the feeling that something positive is going to happen when he comes up to the plate.

    As good as he’s been, Matsui can get into some bad slumps and Abreu can do the same.

    The only problem with Jeter has been his walks are down. I think he’s been trying to make things happen a little too muh because of the absence of A-Rod and Posada. They’ll go back up when the lineup is whole again.

  893. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 17th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    well 4 game changers tonight

    1. The Pettitte walk
    2. The relay play by Church/Castillo/Schneider
    3. Farnsy threw the cuttter in the wrong count
    4. Moeller/Shelley/Damon/Gonzo/Ensberg/Robi combined for 2 for 17 hitting and 2 BB

    oh to the Santana fans, he’d be creamed in the AL, this Yankees lineup is in NL mode and hit 3 longballs off him, he really was one misplay away from getting hammered. Credit to Santana for going 8 IP but it really wasn’t because of him that we loss.

  894. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    Well Ellen, then let me put it this way. I tend to be very rational in the midst of emotional situations. Apparently I have attributes that are even worse than that!

    One isn’t whining and complaining over plays in baseball games though.

    :)

  895. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    ellen – YES!!! That’s exactly what I was thinking when I read that post!

  896. G. Love May 17th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    Awful game, especially when we hit multiple homers and lose.

    I feel like every single time Giambi goes yard once a week, Cashman sits back in his chair and says, “see, we can’t get rid of him”.

    All Giambi has to do is homer once a week to keep his job and sink this offense and considering it looks like the only thing he’s trying to do is homer, he should be able to achieve that.

    He’s our modern day Dave Kingman/Ron Kittle right before our eyes.

    Watching the team live today really reinforced everything I feel I’m seeing on TV.

    They stink. They can’t put an inning together. They only can have individual moments. If someone hits a double, that’s it for the inning. No one will knock him in.

    When Damon got punched out at the plate, I was furious that sleepy dog Abreu was standing on 2b not taking 3rd. He would scored the 3rd run on a sac from Jeter on the next at bat had he done that.

    This team is putting all the pressure in the world again on Arod. You can feel them waiting for him. I hope he comes back and goes on a tear like Soriano has this past week or we’re sunk folks.

    This team is a mess. You can keep preaching patience, but I see an old slow team making fundamental mistakes.

    The fact that a Mets team on the verge of canning their manager walked in here and slapped the team around is a joke.

    Farnsworth was awful. He didn’t seem to throw any fastballs until after he gave up the homeruns.

    Who is calling these pitched? Girardi from the bench?

    I could have sworn Joba, who never throws a breaking ball usually, threw one 3-2 to Delgado that Delgado smashed foul.

    I think we’re in an adjustment period and adjustments needs to be made.

    And I also think Ensberg should pack his suitcase. I was pulling for him, but he gives us nothing. He should get the DFA for Arod next week and Shelley should go down for Gardner.

    If Girardi isn’t going to start Shelley and Ensberg against a lefty, then they have no role on this team.

    And finally, I’m starting to wonder if the lack of HGH has anything to do with what we’re seeing from Andy.

  897. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    is there any truth to the rumor that Yanks may trade for Matt Williams with CO?

  898. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    ““But I do believe things will get better.”

    What other direction is there?”

    Oh, things could be much, much worse. What if we didn’t have Arod coming back next week? What if we didn’t have Posada coming back at the end of the month or in June? What if Mussina hadn’t pitched well for several starts in a row? What if Mo was human? What if the Red Sox had been won more games over the last two weeks?

    Someone in the New York Times (I want to say George Vescey or Dave Anderson, but I’m not sure) wrote an article during last season’s horrendous start in which he wondered if the Yanks weren’t on the verge of a another 1965 — that is, a team that looked like a winner on paper but was a big loser that presaged a team in deep decline.

    He was wrong. And as bad as things sometimes have looked this season, nothing has happened that can’t be overcome and there are enough bright spots that are clearly in the future that we KNOW it isn’t 1965 again.

    So things could be worse, but again I think they’ll get better.

  899. SJ44 May 17th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    The lineup has changed a lot because of injuries. With Arod and Posada out, Cano and Giambi not hitting, along with Damon in one of his funks again, Girardi is stuck scrambling.

    He doesn’t have 9 guys who are both healthy and playing at a high level, to put out the same lineup everyday.

    The bench hasn’t helped and its been overexposed. Guys are bench players for a reason. They can’t play everyday.

    You play the bench everyday, you really can’t expect much out of those guys. That’s what we are seeing now.

    The most disappointing part of this season to date for me are the guys you expect to step up and contribute when guys are down aren’t doing so. In fact, they are a big part of the problem.

    Pettitte has been awful. He can’t hold leads anymore. That used to be his greatest strength as a starter. Now, its his biggest weakness. Cano has been awful. Giambi, aside from solo HR’s, has had minimal impact on the team, and really shouldn’t be an everyday player.

    Damon is a shell of what he used to be as a leadoff hitter and player.

    Those are 4 guys the Yankees need to perform at a high level and they aren’t getting much out of any of them.

    Add to that Hughes and Kennedy bombing and the Arod and Posada injuries, and you have what you have….a last place team.

    Its a struggle now but, nobody is going to feel sorry for the Yankees.

    They either have to dig themselves out of this mess, or its going to be a long season. There is no magic pill to fix what’s broken here right now.

  900. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 17th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Brandon

    I agree, as I said hopefully this game will shut up the Johan lovers.

    Btw I HATE!! these subway series games, all the met fans get so vocal when something good is happening, yelling and screaming like they own the place. It really ticks me off!!

  901. Pepitone May 17th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    This team is really starting to look like a team in decline (yes, it is too early to cash it in). Like a team whose old veterans have just reached the limit of their abilities. Same thing happened to the Yanks after 1964, and after 1982. The Mantles, Jacksons, Hunters, and Pettites can’t go on forever at some point they come to the end.
    I say, so what. We have some good young players coming along. If, and that’s a big if, the ownership and management can just show a little patience and let this run it’s course, next year could be special. Finishing last with a great group of kids and vets for next year sounds a whole lot better than finishing last with a group of aging veterans.

    If they can make a smart trade, or player movement, that could help this year fine, otherwise let it play out.

  902. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    The Rays lost to St. Louis, see, things are better already than they were 20 minutes ago. We just gained half a game in the standings!

  903. trisha - Let's not overreact... May 17th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    Come on kids, don’t hold back! I can take it. Now if you’re going to speak your mind, speak it! In fact I think it’s always good to take stock of oneself by at least considering the feedback of others. So don’t be cryptic or cute. Get it out there.

    You of course will allow me the same indulgence in return, I would expect…

  904. Steve May 17th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    Not trading Hughes and Melky for Santana will be the worst non-trade ever.

    Melky is doing nothing to help this team and Hughes sucks. Hitting .255 doesn’t help and he can’t throw anyone out at home this season.

  905. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    Jeter’s future wife – You meant Matt Holliday, didn’t you?

  906. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    P.S. – I think the Yanks would have to give up a lot (and probably too much) to get Holliday.

  907. PJH May 17th, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    How could “the lack of HGH” be affecting Pettitte. He is throwing as hard as he did last year. He maintained consistent velocity over 120 pitches. It may sound like a good theory but its insane to throw that around. He threw very well today IMO but just got a lot of tough luck.

    A lot of the things that happened were out of his control. That 4th inning was just bad luck, a check swing hit, a broken bat bloop and an infield single that could not have been more perfectly placed.

  908. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 17th, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    Another thing what was up with that ump at second, first he called Jeter safe, and Jeter was still away from the bag, than he called him out.

  909. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    Hmmm, Pepitone disagrees with me on whether it is or isn’t 1964/65 again. I guess we’ll have to wait and see!

  910. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 17th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Steve apparently you didn’t watch the game did you? You just saw that Johan got the W.

    bigpopp You are an IDIOT! He has a stuttering problem, that is why he speaks that way.

  911. hornblower May 17th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Can anyone tell me why Andy went today? The Mets 3456 are very good against lefties.

  912. CB May 17th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    So far this season Santana has pitched around 25%-30% better than a league average national league starter.

    That’s a very good year to date and he might get better.

    But that’s not what the Mets were expecting from Santana. Pitchers who are 30% better than league average don’t make $23 million/ season.

    Pitchers who are 50% better than league average might be worth that much. Not 30%.

    Brandon Webb right now is having the kind of season that Santana used to put up during that great 4 year run.

    Having a pitcher who is 25-30% better than league average would have helped the yankees this season – but it wouldn’t be nearly enough to fix all the problems they are having on this team.

    In order to win in the AL you need depth of talent up and down the roster. One guy isn’t going to do it. There are just too many good teams.

  913. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    bigpopp – That’s nothing…Did you see his press conference when he first joined the Yanks? I know he was nervous, but he still came off as slightly “challenged.”

  914. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    oh yeah, they could be much worse! however Nick in SF,

    you forgot to mention the fact that all the sudden we’re in a tough division and it’s us in the basement lookin way up to the RAYS??? WTF, now if we could take some of their intensity, well that would just be magic now!

  915. Bill May 17th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Pete, Just finished reading your account of the game.I didn’t read the 906 responses before me but as someone who has coached the game for 26 years,Meacham sending Damon with no outs and 3,4 & 5 coming up is beyond dumb!It literally changed the entire complexion of the game! It reminded me of the Randolph years when he was the 3rd base coach! Boy are we going to miss Larry Bowa this year!

  916. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 17th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    “Can anyone tell me why Andy went today? The Mets 3456 are very good against lefties.”

    Andy Pettitte or Darrel Rasner ..lets seeeeee……

  917. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    “He has a stuttering problem, that is why he speaks that way.”

    jennifer – Well, now that’s something I didn’t know. That certainly explains his initial Yankee press conference, then. I know his nervousness must have made his impediment ten times worse.

    Anyway, I think Damon’s a nice guy and I root for him, but, unfortunately, I think his best days are behind him.

  918. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 17th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    “Macham sending Damon with no outs and 3,4 & 5 coming up is beyond dumb!”

    no his slide was dumb

  919. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Chicago Dave,

    yes, sorry, that is who I meant, Holliday! thank god!

  920. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    What if the Rays continue their stellar play and take the division this year? Wouldn’t that be astounding? (I’d like the Yanks to take the title, but if that can’t happen, I’m definitely rooting for the Rays over Boston!)

  921. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 17th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    No question Johnny’s best days are behind him.

  922. bigpopp May 17th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    i had a studder when i was a kid and I dont sound like I cant add 2+2

  923. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    what about when Meachum sent Giambi last week and then changed his mind halfway to home, like the Big G is going to slam on his anti-lock brakes on a dime and retreat back to 3rd! are you freakin kidding me? he made Giambi look real bad

  924. Mike May 17th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Steve

    come on dude..Melky is not the issue here.

  925. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 17th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Chicago, The Rays will hit a rough patch and crumble. At least I hope that is what happens, after all the cellar was designed just for them. :)

  926. mel May 17th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    O/T but the short bus comment reminded me of the Office on Thursday

    Dwight told the new HR lady that Kevin was “slow”. So the whole day the lady was talking to him like he was a 3-yr old. And of course when he talked back to her, he sounded like a 3-yr old because that’s what he sounds like.

    Too funny.

  927. Jeter's future wife May 17th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    the Rays started their whole new ‘tude in spring training, while taking out our catcher, and it obviously carried over to the season. I will throw in that the Rays have played the most home games so far in the Majors, so let’s see if they can keep it going in other ballparks

  928. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 17th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Yeah Johan did his job? (this is according to him) did he not know he gave up 3 bombs! His answer should be I got away with one!

  929. FIre Bobby Meachum May 17th, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    Meacham blew this game!

    Meacham has been a joke as the Yankees third base coach this year!! We lost this game because of this twerp. When I saw that hit from Abreu, I just knew Bobby Meacham was sending Damon, the problem that I have with Meacham sending Damon was, the ball was already in the air to the cut off man, while Damon was just rounding third. I blame this loss all on Bobby Meacham!! This is why this coach staffing has to take hit this year. Why wasn’t Ohlendorf in the ball game today instead of Farnsworth?? The Mets have already seen Farnsworth!! Have they ever seen Olendorf!! Have they!!!! Another bad move by Joey G and the jokers. They should have pitched Olendorf!! As for Pettite, he looked scared to throw the ball to Brian Schneider. This is a problem folks!!

  930. Vrsce May 17th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Of all the possible authors of the dismal season so far, Jeter and Girardi are exempt from any blame and Mussina has also stepped up (I confess to early attacks against him, I was wrong).
    After that, who cares, it can be fixed, either in the short, medium or long term, and it will be fixed, because the owners have a commitment to winning. So although it is painful and this is a bad team with no chemistry, it is going to get better. Insult Hank and big G. if you wish, but their priority to win will eventually sort this out. plus they have to pay for that stadium.

  931. mel May 17th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Just realized that Boston’s playing a double header today.

  932. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    jennifer – Yes, I hope the “natural order” will eventually be restored in due course, but things are not looking so good at the moment. It has the feeling of a transition year in more ways than one. That is to say, it’s not only the Yanks that are changing, but teams like the Rays (in the AL) and the Marlins (in the NL) as well. There seems to be a bit of a “changing of the guard,” if you know what I mean.

  933. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 17th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    LOL Meachem hate, you gotta be kidding me :lol:

  934. PJH May 17th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    People who are saying not trading for Santana was the worst thing ever are not looking at the longterm picture.

    The Yankees want to decrease their payroll by developing young pitchers. Trading those pitchers and Melky for Santana would be going against that.

    Its very easy to second guess the move as Hughes is injured and Kennedy is struggling.

    Everybody hyped up the pitchers, and it was not overhype. There is a reason they are thought of so highly.

    The reality of the situation is that Santana commanded an extremely high contract and the Yankees were not willing to give up both the pitchers and the extreme amounts of money.

    Besides, they got to keep the prospects and can go out and sign CC Sabathia after this season.

    Santana lets up a lot of homeruns and his velocity is diminishing. Thats another reason the Yankees did not make the trade.

  935. Pepitone May 17th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    “Hmmm, Pepitone disagrees with me on whether it is or isn’t 1964/65 again. I guess we’ll have to wait and see!”

    I don’t know what you are referring to, but I don’t think this is similar to the 1965 club. Practically the whole team at that time was over the hill. That’s not true with this team. We have a nice mix right now, not good enough to contend at the moment but a better future ahead.

    Patience in any sport is tough to do when you have fans and the media screaming to do something, but the patient usually come out on top (e.g. Rays, Marlins, Diamondbacks, Red Sox).

  936. PJH May 17th, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    The Meachem thing is funny. I bet you anything Larry Bowa would have sent Damon too. He is the best 3rd base coach in the game.

  937. Virgin Islands May 17th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Rays lose. Sox up 4-0 after 4.

  938. ER, from the set of May 17th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    How many games will DicyK win this season?

    a) 23-25
    b) 26-28
    c) 29-31
    d) 32-35

  939. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    I, for one, am not heartbroken that we didn’t trade youth and commit to an 8-year deal for Santana. As CB stated in a previous post, his performance so far with the Mets has been decent, but not mind-blowing. Frankly, the same could be said of his last season with the Twins as well. Now, I’m not saying he doesn’t have some good games and some good overall seasons left in his arm, but he will not continue to be the overpowering and dominant pitcher he one was with Minnesota during his career with the Mets.

    People clamor for him now because hindsight is always 20-20 and Hughes and Kennedy have been a bust so far this year. However, I think it’s generally agreed that they are still both young and inexperienced, and, as such, need to be allowed more time to accurately judge their abilities. Heck, even Koufax was pretty lousy for something like the first 5-6 years he was with the Dodgers!

    If you wanted more of a “sure thing” this season, then, yes, getting Santana would have been the right move. But it definitely would not have been the smart move for the more long-term plan that Cashman has now put into place.

  940. Mark Baker May 17th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    “Play Shelley and he will produce, anyone with a Baseball Brain can see that.”

    Bob, the problem is that most of the Yankee fans don’t have baseball brains. They have bandwagon brains.

  941. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    Pepitone, I was referring to my post above in which I disagreed with a NY Times writer last season who wondered whether the state of the franchise in 1964/54 was a proper analogy to the state of the franchise last season (and perhaps by extension, now).

    And just after I made that post, you wrote:

    “Same thing happened to the Yanks after 1964….”

    So there you go.

  942. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Just win tomorrow. :)

  943. Rick May 17th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    On the bright side, when all these long term contracts for the deadwood end this year, the teams living off the Yankees luxury tax will go back having to do it on their own.

  944. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    sorry, that was meant to read “1964/65″

  945. hornblower May 17th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Once again wise guy. Andy has not been pitching very well and Rasner has been sharp. Why not keep the rotation in tact? This is just another game not the playoffs and the Mets 3456 are still very good against lefties.

  946. Russell W May 17th, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    “If you’re a Mets fan, don’t you have to be concerned that Santana has allowed 11 home runs in 60 innings?

    He has given up 41 over his last 279 innings.”

    Mets fans applaud mediocrity.

  947. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    hornblower, because you don’t blow up your rotation and skip a veteran winning pitcher for a May 17 game?

  948. gayle May 17th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Just got home from he game dont really have either the time nor the iclination to read all of the comments but can someone fill me in on when Jeter got called out at 2nd. From where we were sitting(lft field field level) the ump made the safe sign. We all thought he was in there did he slide through or something or di the ump just make the wrong call then correct it??

    Andy looked up saw it was the 4th inning and gave a sigh unreal. I keep saying that he is a second half pitvcher I remember a few years ago he was giving up r8uns left and right when in Houston then second half was lights out. He sure looked lights out early in the game

  949. mel May 17th, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    Bases loaded, 2 outs for Daisuke…

  950. PJH May 17th, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    I was just readin Pete’s post about the kids in Charleston. Betances really needs to cut down on walks. The numbers make it seem like he is a no contact guy. He walks em or strikes em out. Im sure he will lower the walks as he is very young, but 32 walks in 47 innings is not very good.

  951. Russell W May 17th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    “How many games will DicyK win this season?

    a) 23-25
    b) 26-28
    c) 29-31
    d) 32-35″

    Choice d) 32-35 = -3

  952. Virgin Islands May 17th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Ortiz hit a 3 run HR. Remember those?

  953. CB May 17th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    I wouldn’t count on the Rays necessarily getting worse. Given how young they are it’s reasonable to expect them to get better over the course of the season.

    They have players who are likely going to improve with experience. Longoria for example hasn’t been great so far. He’s going to start hitting.

    And perhaps even more importantly, they’ve played most of the season without Scott Kazmir. Kazmir is still rounding into form and gaining arm strength.

    On top of that rays have the best pitching in the minor leagues.

  954. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 17th, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    Dice-K reminds me of Jaret Wright, you know he’s pitching bad but for some reason he pulls a houdini act

  955. Vrsce May 17th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    gayle
    Condescending post. Thanks.
    That was the missing link for today. Every other possible note had been struck

  956. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 17th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    anybody know how fast was the pitch Alex hit off David Price ?

  957. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 17th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    gayle where were you? I was in main box 30.

    I found out later that Jeter was still a foot from second when the ump called him safe, than jeter was tagged and he called him out. Jeter was really out, he never should have been called safe in the first place.

  958. Mark Baker May 17th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Proof that we’ve got more “bandwagon” brains then baseball ones: these morons that gripe about Meachem sending Damon home from 3rd. It was the right thing to do. But give credit to the Mets catcher as he blocked the plate – textbook baseball. Johnny actually beat the throw, but because the catcher blocked the plate, Johnny’s leg never made it to base and he was tagged out. Again, it was TEXTBOOK BASEBALL!!

    Unfortunately half of these goons don’t understand baseball. If you strike out, you suck. If you get caught stealing, you’re stupid. If you give up a homerun, you should be sent to Double-A. And if you don’t get a hit, you should be flogged. What malarkey! If you understood the game, you’d know that when your team doesn’t come through, its usually due to the strategy & talent of the other team and not necessarily due to your team’s failure.

  959. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Dicey escapes trouble…as usual

  960. Pepitone May 17th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    “Pepitone, I was referring to my post above in which I disagreed with a NY Times writer” NICK IN SF

    Yeah, I went back and read your original post after I posted. Like I said, no this is not like that team. Mantle, Ford, Howard, Richardson were all on the downside of their careers. Kubek retired early. Boyer, Pepitone, and Tresh had pretty good careers later. Mel Sotttlemeyer would be the lone bright spot. And we traded Maris to the Cardinals the next year.

    The only players on this team that remind me of those guys is Giambi, Damon, Pettite, Abreu, and Posada. Either their skills are in serious decline or they start getting injury prone.

  961. Chicago Dave May 17th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    I don’t care how many games Dice-K wins. I will forever be underwhelmed by him because it turns out he doesn’t really throw the so-called “Gyro Ball.” HA!!!

  962. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    No worries, Pepitone, just funny timing.

    Not as funny as watching Prince Fielder hustle to second base. What a load.

  963. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    The Brewers have second and third with no out and end up getting nothing and all on only 10 pitches in the inning? Were they watching Yankee tape before the game? Dicey is very lucky.

  964. mel May 17th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    I guess we have to accept the fact that Dice-K is good, rather than lucky.

    2nd & 3rd no outs: K, K, fly out

  965. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    Maybe good AND lucky. I think the Brew crew helped him out there.

  966. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 17th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    good article on Dellin Betances

  967. mel May 17th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    Brandon,

    Did you see? There’s a new Dynamic Duo in LA. Not them, silly. Parker and Leslie. 34 point for Parker.

  968. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 17th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    I assume Tony Parker but who the heck is Leslie ?

  969. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    Dicey sure does have some luck..and I guess he is aight..

  970. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 17th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Dellin Betances article

    hope this one works

  971. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Not Smush Parker?

  972. gayle May 17th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    Jennifer my seats are box 100 left field 2nd row

  973. mel May 17th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Brandon,

    Seriously? Lisa Leslie & Candace Parker? WNBA season opener. I NEVER watch women’s basketball, but Parker’s good. Really good. I’ll definitely watch when they’re on.

    Good to see you didn’t need any reminders about your handle. Only Santana can get a win giving up 3 whoppers. Bobby’s was a beaut.

  974. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 17th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Dellin Betances has a lot of tangible qualities that would indicate he has a good pitching future, such as a big league fastball and an imposing 6-foot, 8-inch frame.
    But one of his more important attributes could ultimately get him to the Majors.

    The Charleston RiverDogs right-handed starter fanned eight over six no-hit innings against the Asheville Tourists on Friday, before being lifted due to pitch count. He allowed two walks and an unearned run, but did not figure in the decision as the RiverDogs fell to the Tourists, 3-1.

    “He had a tough outing in his previous start against the same team,” RiverDogs pitching coach Jeff Ware said of Betances’ May 10 outing in which he allowed five earned runs in four innings.

    “It was good to see him come back and do so well against the same team he had trouble with last time out,” Ware said. “It shows his character.”

    The 20-year-old, selected by the Yankees in the eighth round of the 2006 First-Year Player Draft, is 4-2 with a 3.26 ERA this year. He has 57 strikeouts in 47 frames. Last season, Betances was 1-2 with a 3.60 ERA for Staten Island of the short-season New York-Penn League.

    “He’s been progressing real well and done real well in all but one start,” Ware said. “He’s got a Major League fastball and a sharp curve with a lot of bite. The third pitch is his change, and we’re working on that because that’s a pitch you need as you move up the ladder.

    “The biggest key for him tonight was keeping his pitches down in the zone,” he added. “He was ahead of the hitters quite a bit and kept them off balance.”

    Ware said Betances normally throws about 90 pitches a game. When he left with the no-hit bid intact and the score, 1-1, he had tossed 94.

    He gave up his only run in the second on a fielding error by first baseman Chase Odenreider, a wild pitch and two groundouts.

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  975. gayle May 17th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Vrsce what do you mean condescneding I just know how the game day postings work when we lose I already am bummed about the game I dont need to get more bummed lol

  976. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 17th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    thank you Cameron atleast he knows Dice K is not that good

  977. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    Finally, a little less lucky and a little less good.

    Where was that when the bases were loaded, Cameron!

  978. mel May 17th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Oops. Luck running out. Youkilis error. Then a 2-run shot. I’m surprised that Daisuke’s still out there. He rarely lasts past the 6th.

  979. mel May 17th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    I like, I like. C’mon Fielder, put one in the seats. Tie it up!

  980. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    Let’s go Prince!!!

  981. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 17th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    The Dominican Randy Johnson himself :)

  982. mel May 17th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Javy walks Prince, now they’re bringin in Delcarmen. I wonder if Tito forgot they have another game at 8:00?

  983. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 17th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    The Dominican Big Unit :D

  984. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    By the way S.A., I think you’re the only person who’s shown any interest in the saga of my order of the Moose bars, so here’s an update for you:

    They left me a message on Thursday that they hadn’t shipped my bars yet; because of the hot weather they want to ship them by air instead of ground and packed in dry ice. Instead of $10 the shipping is now going to cost something like $30+, which is more than what the bars cost.

    I haven’t decided what to do about it, I’m not so excited to pay that much for a case of candy bars I’ve never tasted… I might just make a donation to the charity so as not to completely renege on my pledge and then wait until the autumn to order some bars. Or maybe I’ll have them shipped to an east coast relation. I don’t know. I’ll update again when I’ve figured it out.

  985. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 17th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    LOL MCCLUNG GONNA GET KICKED OUT FOR THE YEAR !

  986. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Nick- How many candy bars are you gonna be getting? Looks like it’s becoming quite an ordeal to get them!

  987. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 17th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Go ” whoever is playing the BoSux “…Go YANKEES….Go put Joba in the bullpen…GO tell IPK no thanks….GO have a good night, ALL !

  988. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    I think Manny Being Manny swinging 3-0 was a key to that inning.

    S.A., I ordered a case, which is 28 bars. What was I thinking?? I think maybe I’ll dial back the order to the seven bar set and have ‘em shipped regular, if they melt a little that’s ok, I can put them in the freezer when they get here. Or something.

  989. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 17th, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    you mean Joba in rotation..anyway before I leave Christian Garcia is on his way to Tampa via PP..later people enjoy your evening.

  990. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    Gah-missed the Preakness…Way to go Big Brown!

  991. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    You can put them in the freezer/fridge Nick. They should be ok. :)
    28 candy bars? That’s a lot.

  992. cupaJOBA May 17th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    does anyone know what song bobby abreu comes to bat to?

  993. Vrsce May 17th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    Gayle

    dont really have either the time nor the iclination to read all of the comments.

    Struck me as condescension. Sorry, probably cranky because of the game.

  994. melky28 May 17th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    since the talk that joba might be a starter soon he is not the same joba from 2007

  995. mel May 17th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Game over. Blown save by Cleveland. 3 run shot.

  996. mel May 17th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    Gayle,

    I thought your comment was rather benign. I hope the next game you go to is better. :)

  997. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    “M. Kobayashi (L, 2-1; BS, 1)”

    I love how there’s a BS stat.

    Kobayahsi eats innings, sure, but occasionally he’s going to throw one up.

  998. gayle May 17th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    vrsce wasnt meant that way atall like I said I had just gottne home for the game and wanted to see if anyone had the answer to the question without spending hour reading all theprior 900 plus comments

  999. yanksince57 - i remember 1965 May 17th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    25 safe predictions by 8/1/08 (my 60th b’day LOL)
    traded for “prospects” – damon/betemit/farnsworth/hawkins/igawa
    released – giambi/ensberg/lane/traber/strickland/phillips/hall
    lost on waivers – moeller
    called up -gardner/miranda/karstens/patterson/sanchez/white/horne/cox/robertson/melancon
    chamberlain to SP
    duncan sent down
    *****bonus selection :)- pavano back on IR due to a freak rosin bag accident*****

  1000. gayle May 17th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    and in case anyone cares here is the latest installment of the final season at Yanee stadium photo album I have been doing as Igo to the games

    http://yankeesseason2008.shutterfly.com/

  1001. mel May 17th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Nick,

    Maybe if he had the gag reflex of the real Kobayashi, he wouldn’t have coughed up the game. :)

  1002. Dr. J May 17th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    Hank must be ticked off… I wonder if he sends Meachum to Scranton tomorrow

  1003. Sudakis May 17th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    “On the bright side, when all these long term contracts for the deadwood end this year, the teams living off the Yankees luxury tax will go back having to do it on their own.”

    Unfortunately, the Yankees will likely still be paying a luxury tax next year. Opening day Yankee payroll 2008: Around $208M. Next year’s luxury tax: anything over $162M.

    Around $75-80 million or so coming off the books. But there’s a chance Abreu will be re-signed, they will go after Teixeira and definitely add a big veteran pitcher after not getting Santana this year. They already have about $120 million committed to 10 guys for 2009. Need 15 more guys to fill out a team. Wang goes back to arbitration so he’ll be making more than the 4M he’s making this year, probably some other guys going there (Melky?).

  1004. Fran May 17th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    I had to go out when the Yanks were loosing 3-2. I think that there were things to be concerned about: Pettitte’s meltdown inning, baserunning, lack of hitting, Meacham at 3rd base. But they were facing the Mets ace. Tomorrow they are facing Perez. I had him on my fantasy baseball team and dropped him because he was costing me points. Even though he is a lefty I will be really upset tomorrow if the Yanks can’t hit him. And with Wang pitching the Yanks should be able to shut down the Mets.

  1005. yanksince57 - i remember 1965 May 17th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    BTW i have complete faith that cashman will be churning this underperforming roster all year – as a good GM should!

  1006. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    Good one, mel.

    It’s nice to think that Papelbon has a higher BS rating than Kobayashi!

  1007. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    Nice picture gayle.

  1008. rvajames (WordPress eats my comments) May 17th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    Maybe I’m glad I didn’t get the game today on TV.

    Right now all I have is the Brewers-Sox game and Varitek just scored. Why the hell do the Sox play the Brewers in interleague play again? Some of these match-ups don’t make sense, like Seattle and San Diego.

  1009. Nick in SF May 17th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    “Why the hell do the Sox play the Brewers in interleague play again?”

    I think famed arbiter and peacemaker George Mitchell helped negotiate the Sox’ schedule.

  1010. stuart May 17th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    the only way the Santana could be atrade I regret i if he wins 17 or more games each of the next 5 yrs… not 1 yr. but all 5…

    the ynaks lost today because they played bad; baserunning, gonzalez error then Joba gave up a hit(2 outs), and of course Kyle. Earlier Andy had is 1 terrible inning and walked the 8th place hitter after being ahead in the count.

    the yanks with really no clutch hitting again and that is how you lose..

    ladies they will be fine, add arod and 1 loser is out of the lineup….I say adios to the observer(Ensberg) he is like many of my least favorit yanks over the last 6 yrs or so; slow, strikes out a ton, and no range..

  1011. Fran May 17th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Thanks for the pictures Gayle. They are really good.

  1012. mel May 17th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Anyone have an educated guess as to why Santana’s giving up an inordinate number of homeruns over the last 2 seasons?

    Is it cyclical, psychological, mechanical?

  1013. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 17th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

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  1014. stuart May 17th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    interleague is stupid mainly because it is unfair..

    it has always been unfair..the owners care about 1 thing $$$$$$$$$$$$$ they do not care about fairness…

  1015. S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up. May 17th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    “Anyone have an educated guess as to why Santana’s giving up an inordinate number of homeruns over the last 2 seasons?”

    menstrual? :)

  1016. stuart May 17th, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    I have no idea why Santana is giving up so many HR’s but many good pitchers who walk very few give up HR’s….

    his rate presently is real bad, if teams do not hit HR’s off him they are not going to get 4 hits off him in many innings, so if he can solve that problem he is in good shape…

    he was a good signing for the mets they will not regret it to yr 4 or 5..they had no choice there minors look like the yankees did about 5 yrs ago…

  1017. mel May 17th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    stuart,

    I know what you mean. Remember Beckett 2 seasons ago? Remember Beckett last season? Night and day.

  1018. V May 17th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    “I had to go out when the Yanks were loosing 3-2. I think that there were things to be concerned about: Pettitte’s meltdown inning, baserunning, lack of hitting, Meacham at 3rd base. But they were facing the Mets ace. Tomorrow they are facing Perez. I had him on my fantasy baseball team and dropped him because he was costing me points. Even though he is a lefty I will be really upset tomorrow if the Yanks can’t hit him. And with Wang pitching the Yanks should be able to shut down the Mets.”

    I had Perez last year and this year (keeper league, he was a cheap keeper), and I’m holding onto him (deep league) – he doesn’t usually lose a game by giving up a lot of hits – control is his main issue.

  1019. Doreen May 17th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Gayle & Jennifer -

    You were both at the game today? I know it didn’t end up so well, but it must be so nice to be at the Stadium on a beautiful Saturday afternoon. Do you both live close enough to the stadium that it’s not that bad a drive? We tend not to go, because we live in central NJ, and it’s not an easy commute. Anyway….

    I think a lot of us get cranky when the Yankees lose because they’re supposed to be our relaxation – our escape from the trials and tribulations, both minor and major, of our daily lives. They are living their dreams, and for some of us, they’re living OUR dreams (or their wives are :) ). It should all be good.

    I try to take some positives even from the losses, but as the bad play continues, it’s more and more difficult. I feel like every time Giambi hits a homerun, he gets an additional game or two or three.

    As always, though, tomorrow’s another day, and there’s the score is always 0-0 to start, right?

  1020. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 17th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Gayle, I was just looking through your pictures, I was a little to the left of you I was standing right behind Sanchez.

  1021. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 17th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Gayle, also did you see (well yeah you did, cause you took a picture) when Johnny was talking to Wagner, Aaron was standing there getting ticked that Wagner wasn’t throwing with him!

  1022. Mike May 17th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

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  1023. Floyd May 17th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    who cares how many homers he gives up? Check his era and record

  1024. Blargh May 17th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    That ERA’s excellent….for mortal pitchers. But it’s just not worthy of the LEGEND that is Santana when it’s over 3.

  1025. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 17th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    WOW ERA that ranks 18th in nl. wow!! That is worth 23 million a year!!

  1026. bml64 May 18th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    I know you guys all hate Giambi and believe he is the cause of all that ails the Yankees. The guy is really not doing that badly. His OPS is 813 and that is with a ridiculously low BABIP of .141. In his worst year ever (2004), his BABIP was .223. He has been hitting in horrible luck most of the season, and that will change. His line drive percentage of 18.5% is very close to the 19% he had in 2005 when he had a monster year. His strikeouts are not particularly high, and he continues to get on base via walks. He is absolutely the definition of a productive hitter, and as long as he stays healthy, he will only get better. By the way, here are just a few people with OPS’s lower than Giambi’s 813:

    David Ortiz: 783
    Jim Thome: 740
    Gary Sheffield: 656
    Frank Thomas: 694
    Travis Hafner: 706
    Ryan Howard: 680
    Mark Teixeira: 746

    I am not implying he is better than Ortiz or Teixeira. For 23 million of course you want more, but you have to remember that Free Agent contracts are often back-ended loaded, and his is no exception. When Giambi was hitting a ton (OPS of 1033 in 2002), his salary was 8 million. He was a bargain at that price, and we are paying for it now.

    Go ahead and DFA him, but you will not be able to replace his output. And the team will not be better for it.

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    …………………………………………………..

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    plus if the rays are fringe in august this year, we could see price in the bullpen a la joba. Again, yikes.

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