Game 44: Mets at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 18, 2008 
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YANKEES
Damon LF
Abreu RF
Jeter SS
Matsui DH
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Gonzalez 3B
Molina C
Wang RHP
METS
Reyes SS
Anderson LF
Wright 3B
Beltran CF
Church RF
Alou DH
Delgado 1B
Schneider C
Castillo 2B
Perez LHP
Oliver Perez (3-3, 4.61) vs. the Yankees hitters
Chien-Ming Wang (6-1, 2.90) vs. the Mets hitters.
Notes: Wang struck out a career-high 10 against the Mets last June 17. … The Yankees have scored 10 runs in their last five games and hit .211 (35 of 166). … Cano has hit safely in 10 of the last 11 games at 15 of 41 (.366). … Matsui is 3 of his last 25 with one RBI. … Joba Chamberlain has allowed four runs on four hits and four walks in his last six innings.
UPDATE, 7:25 p.m.: Just talked to Jorge Posada. He caught Ian Kennedy in the bullpen today, the first time he has done that since going on the DL. He said his sore shoulder is feeling better. He’s also into a throwing program. Today he made 20 throws from 75 feet and 20 more from 90 feet.
He hopes to start a rehab assignment a week from tomorrow or a week from Tuesday, somewhere in that time frame.
Posada is a real no-excuses, bottom-line kind of guy. I asked him about the team needing him back and he said that they should be scoring runs even with he and A-Rod out. “We still have a good lineup,” he said.
UPDATE, 8:12 p.m.: Might be time for a pop-up drill for the Attorney General. He gets an error for prolonging the at-bat.
UPDATE, 8:49 p.m.: The Wanger is burying the Mets with that sinker. Nine up, nine down, seven grounders.
Forget to mention this before but Jeff Karstens is pitching for Scranton tomorrow.
UPDATE, 9:09 p.m.: This is an Andy Pettitte special by CMW. He was dominating for three innings then suddenly lost it. 3-0 must look like Mt. Everest with Oliver Perez throwing a no-hitter.
UPDATE, 9:15 p.m.: Wang isn’t pitching well at all in this inning. But the defense has been awful. Gonzalez has to make that play on David Wright and Giambi obviously made a bad throw. By rights they should be out of the inning.
UPDATE, 9;22 p.m.: I really like Jose Reyes. But that’s a terrible at-bat. Wang walks the No. 9 hitter to load the bases and you swing at the first pitch?
4-0 Mets. Might as well be 40-0 the way the Yankees are playing. They have scored 10 runs in their last 54 innings.
UPDATE, 9:27 p.m.: Hey, it’s Hideki Matsui. Godzilla just snapped a 3 for 26 skid with a two-run homer to right. Maybe the Yankees have a little life after all. It is Oliver Perez, after all.
UPDATE, 9:53 p.m.: They’re 0 for 6 with RISP. 12 of 70 over the last six games.
Meanwhile, the Yankees have totally botched the whole “Yankee Stadium Countdown” thing. The had some guy introduced as the “Yankees’ No. 1 fan from Rochester” pull the lever tonight. Nice job, Yankees-Mets on ESPN Sunday night and they’re pulling people out of the stands.
The promotion is totally disorganized. They just get whoever happens to be around. There are so many ways they could have done it right, too.
UPDATE, 10:44 p.m.: Joe Girardi is obviously not getting fired. But clearly his tenure has hit some rocks. The Yankees are en route to their eighth loss in 11 games (five out six) and they have scored 12 runs in their last 59 innings.
You can’t pin this all on A-Rod and Posada being out. The Yankees aren’t playing with much passion and really haven’t all season except for a game here or there.
UPDATE, 11:05 p.m.: Two runs on three hits against Oliver Perez and a couple of second-tier relievers. The Yankees didn’t get a hit after the sixth inning.
Back later with some reaction.
From the last thread–
If you guys want updates from someone at the game (regarding weather or any fun stuff), send me an email with a phone number to text rebecca@puristbleedspinstripes.com
I don’t have enough memory on my phone to load LoHud directly, but I can load radar and whatnot.
Mike Franceca predicts Johan Santana to dominate.oo wait er late to that party. well mike francesca still predicts pain.!!!
I like this lineup the best!
Here’s to a win by Wanger tonight!
If Joba and Matsui have joinded the slumping wagon, we’re in deep trouble.
Francesa argued you can’t put Joba in the rotation because he’s never going to be as good a starter as he is a reliever.
Well right now Joba has a starters era that is 2.95. So Joba can’t duplicate that as a starter?
Did anyone realistically think that Joba was going to have a .00 era his entire career?
Its a shame that the Yankees with all their money can’t have a stadium with a roof.
Albany Yankee: The rain’s cleared out…you should head down.
Going to head out in about twenty–hope everyone enjoys the game! It’ll be my first time seeing Wang pitch so I’m stoked. LET’S GO YANKEES!
With all the money being spent on 2 stadiums in NYC, neither will have a roof?
Jenn let it go…..
P.S. I really don’t have to hear Suzyn Waldman pplay GM on WFAN seriously who the hell does this woman think she is..she faint and flounder on Clemens trimuphant return to George’s box but is now coming w/ her why would they put Joba in the rotation, there is no need for that, oh and dissing Hank trust me child ain’t the way to go, I also laughed when Beningo said the great radio broadcast team of Sterling and Waldman, the only thing great about them are the postgame interviews
Are fans that clueless? Randy Johnson was Cashman’s idea? Really!
I hate domes, I am glad no roof! seems like indoor baseball and not real baseball, players don’t like it either
i meant arena baseball
I heard someone rip the Weaver deal and bring the David Ortiz arguement. It’s great being a bandwagon.
Brandon let what go?
I am very confused. What am I missing here?
Did anyone realistically think that Joba was going to have a .00 era his entire career?
“Are fans that clueless?”
Yeah, they are. The problem is that the people who are supposed to know better (hosts of talk radio, say), never bother to correct them because angry lambasting of Cash draws more listeners.
Rationally arguing that his hand was forced by George on a number of bad deals doesn’t keep the listeners flowing in.
Oh great Joe Morgan and Jon Miller and doing the game. To mute or not to mute that is the question.
I am referring back to your comment on Mike F.
predict Morgan’s next goof…
will he
A. say Johnny Damon is on a tear
B. say Bobby Abreu is one of the best RF in baseball
C. say the Yankees 1B Jason Giambi is starting to break out of his slump
D. All of the above
I’ve got my finger ready to hit the mute button, Jennifer. I can’t listen to Morgan.
“I heard someone rip the Weaver deal”
it’s really easy to notice deals that turned out poorly after the fact.
He was young, and his peripherals looked pretty good. He didn’t K as many guys as you’d like to see, but he didn’t walk many and didn’t give up too many hits. His K rate rose and his walk rate dropped after the deal. I dunno…was the walk-rate between 5 and 6 something that should have warned? He still sported a K:BB between 2 and 3, which is solid. I didn’t watch baseball back then, so I don’t know if he was the kind of guy who just blew up in NY once things started to unravel a bit.
Morgan and Miller should call themselves: Mistaken & Yankee Hatin’ because Morgan is usually factually wrong and Miller constantly tweaks the Yankees by comparing to the Red Sox.
Good point Whozat. I’m growing weary of listening to talk radio. Fans are maddening.
Giambi’s rates for May:
.404 .583 .250
I’d take that for the remainder of the season in a HEARTBEAT out of Jason.
“I’m growing weary of listening to talk radio. Fans are maddening.”
Find a music station you like instead
Whozat – I remember the Weaver deal. It was a three team trade with Oakland, as I recall. Yanks gave up Ted Lilly to Oakland, and got Weaver. At the time it was widely regarded as a real coup for Cashman, getting one of the – at the time – hot young pitchers in all of baseball.
Never quite worked out, and we all remember that HR he gave up in the WS against Florida in the 12th (?) inning. He was dealt in that off-season for Kevin Brown, who the newly signed Gary Sheffield told George was the best pitcher in the NL.
The rest in history.
A roof on the joint doesn’t necessarily mean a dome. The Seattle field for example–This ain’t the seventies anymore, thank the lord. Even when that place is covered it still feels basebally. But if you want to keep the new Yankee Stadium evocative of the old one, an opening and closing roof is a tough architectural trick indeed. I would’ve gone with a giant Top Hat, classy and broadwayish, that covers the parking lot on sunny days, so as to keep the interior of the cars cool, and when it rains, the hat moves up into position, suspended 60 yards or so, above the stadium so as to still let the clouds and inclemency be seen and heard, but not felt.
Would also like to thank the the select and excellent commentators who on a previous thread did a wonderful job of letting us know how the minors were shaping up.
Please do not criticize Joe Morgan.
I would be ignoring everything I know about broadcasting if I didn’t speak up.
uh oh LeBron is heating up
I can’t find the probable pitchers on the Yankees site, who is pitching against us this week?
Joe from Long Island–
I had an email I sent to a friend criticizing the Lilly-Weaver deal the day it happened that I saved for a few years so I’d be able to prove my point someday (I was against it, she was for it), but it was on the hard drive of a computer that died suddenly, so now I just look like 20/20 hindsighter. Oh well. And yes, saving an email that long just to prove a point like that does make me a loser. I know.
Brandon– Spurs or Hornets tomorrow?
as far as joe morgan goes, to try to avoid controversy tonight, i suggest we keep tabs on the facts that morgan makes a mistake on , but at the same time keep track of the insights he makes about actually about playing the game. things like an outfielder positioning himself to throw, a hitter letting go of the bat too soon with one hand and having the bat head drop and then” helicopter” over his head ( arod sometimes), or other such observation about actually playing the game.
i respectfully say that some who rightly so say morgan makes factual mistakes have trouble understanding him when he talks about playing the game because they have played so little actual baseball. it’s them and not morgan who doesn’t understand something.
younger generations are more knowledgeable about facts and are of course more computer literate, but not as knowledgeable about playing the game because they simply haven’t played much. this isn’t a matter of one generation being better than the other.
the real strength is putting the two together. that said i would like to see a third analyst added to the booth who’s strong on analysis and facts. but to bash morgan with all he has done in the game and knows about the game is really kind of unnecessary and kind of silly .
to keep focus on the game,that’s all i’m going to say about this until after the game when morgan’s plusses and minuses can be added up.
The fact that neither Shelley or Ensberg are in the lineup verses a medicore lefty speaks volumes about their Yankee future.
I also remember the 3-way deal in 2002 that netted the Yankees Jeff Weaver. At that time, virtually every newspaper and every sportswriter came out with the phrase that “The Yankees just insured themselves another World Championship”. Betcha you can’t get more than 10 percent of those second guessers to admit they said that!
BTW, Oakland gave up a lefty 1st basemen, Carlos Pena, Franklyn German, and a young player to be named later – Jeremy Bonderman – to the Tigers for Weaver and subsequently sent him to NY for Lilly and John Ford Griffin.
Skippy I don’t bet against Chris Paul
nick in sf-
i’m not commenting, but i have to admit , i want to. lol.
after the game.
joe morgan as a baseball player: best 2B of all time
joe morgan as an analyst:
stupid auto-smiley-face-turning thingy
I loved the Weaver deal at the time. I can’t knock him on that. The Brown trade baffled me though.
However, blanketly saying Cashman is great right now and anyone who disagrees is stupid is just stupid.
He’s done a poor job assembling the 2008 team. You can preach to me all you want about how we’re gonna kick butt in 2 years, but until ANY of those prospects you are all counting on pan out, you have nothing to base your argument on.
My argument is based on fact. He went into this season with Giambi at 1b and no legit backup plan for that, other than a OF and 3b to play 1st.
He went into the season counting on 2/5 of his rotation on rookies with innings limits who hadn’t even thrown 100 major league innings yet.
He believed Igawa was a good backup plan for said rookies.
He gave Cano financial security before he should have in my opinion. And don’t call me out on this. Stick Michael has said the same thing about the players on this team with financial security not having the same drive as the one’s without.
I could go on, but it’s pointless. All of you people criticizing fans for saying Cashman has done a poor job this year have blinders on.
You seem to buy into his “wait until 2010″ plan. I hope by then 1 out of every 10 prospects he and you are counting on turn out to be good major leaguers, otherwise this team is cooked for a long time.
I still think he can fix the team this season, but I feel like he’s terrified of releasing guys or trading prospects because if they do better in another organization it makes him look stupid.
maybe Gonzalez can show something, he knows his days are limited now with AROD coming back Tues
ESPN game=booooooooooooo
The mute button will be my friend tonight
Chris Paul is just a joy to watch. Really hope NO wins.
randy l.: for the record, I don’t even mind Morgan so much, and sometimes I enjoy him. When he says things that I think are silly/wrong, I laugh it off. But if people who don’t like him so much as a broadcaster want to criticize him, that doesn’t make them bad people or ignornant of his place in baseball history or, ahem, racists.
Also, if Morgan’s commentary can really only be understood by people who have played real baseball, he’s not doing a very good job as an analyst, is he? He’s supposed to be using his insights as someone who played at the highest level to explain the intricacies of the game to those of us who haven’t. And I think he often does a good job at that, which is why I find it pretty easy to overlook the goofiness and the little mistakes.
Also, I think Jon Miller is one of the best in the business, so I don’t mind if he seems to tweak the Yanks or even, gasp, praise the Red Sox.
wow James vs Pierce right now
Cleveland looks like they’re one player away and I wish that player could be Kei Igawa.
For me, when the game is on ESPN, it’s not enjoyable because it’s not Yankee-oriented, which is not necessarily to say that it’s not pro-Yankee, but it’s a little too skewed negatively in order to be “unbiased.” If you get my drift.
I don’t like Miller. I have less of a hard time with Joe Morgan, but he’s inconsistent. As has been stated here, he can be mistaken on a lot of things, but his insight can also be invaluable.
If I felt that the anti-Yankee commentary was just unbiased commentary, I could take it – the Yankees are not perfect (at least not this season), but it feels malicious in my bones. Like people take pleasure in the travails of the Yankees, because even when the Yankees are doing well, during an ESPN broadcast you can be sure they will bring up something negative (even if it’s old, old news).
I will probably flip the game on and off tonight, because it is not an enjoyable experience when the game is on ESPN. I could tune in the radio, I guess, but I still haven’t figured out if I have a radio tuner on my upstairs television set-up. (I know, how stupid is that???)
Hopefully, they’ll get the game in – or, rather, hopefully the weather will abate, because it’s been miserable all day. We just had a downpour here in central NJ. I have a feeling they’re going to want to get this one in, because of the rainout of Friday’s game and, really, when could they make it up? I just don’t want anyone getting hurt because no one wants to play a couple of doubleheaders in a week or play 31 straight games (if they Mets play tomorrow).
I apologize that sometimes I must sound like I’m running off at the mouth.
LeBron is going WITNESS on Boston right now
awesome NBA game, go Lebron!
I find myself rooting for the Celtics b/c Garnett seems like a good guy.
And then I realize a bunch of mouthbreathing knuckleheads with “B” on the lids will be happy.
Quite the conundrum.
“i respectfully say that some who rightly so say morgan makes factual mistakes have trouble understanding him when he talks about playing the game because they have played so little actual baseball. it’s them and not morgan who doesn’t understand something.”
That’s not respectful at all. You’re basically saying that I don’t understand what Morgan’s saying half the time, so I’m too dumb to appreciate him. You’re wrong. The mechanics stuff is really not intellectually profound if you understand anatomy and physics — and Singleton and Flaherty provide the same insight. I may not have heard a particular statement about a particular player before, but I certainly understand him when he speaks.
And it certainly doesn’t excuse him for not bothering to do his job by making sure that he knows who the players are in front of him and current information about them.
But hey, thanks for baselessly insulting my intelligence.
oH goD sTeVe dA kOoKy mEtS fAn..JoE sMiTh iS bEttEr ThAn JoBa, aLsO bLeW oUt 5 ArMs iN FloRiDa …
aLsO gIRaRdI bLeW oUt 5 ArMs iN FloRiDa … *
God bless Steve. I think his stay in Bellevue will be a long one.
WITNESS !!!
Now we got us a game! Cleveland within 1.
holy LeBron
Brandon,
can u believe this game?
……
bad time to miss a 3, Lebron!
what a jumpshot!
dammit I hate that basterd !@
I could never root for the Celtics, thye have P.J Brown, I will never forget what a punk he is and was against the Knicks when he was in Miami.
oh god, damn Boston!
PJ Brown, I feel like it’s the 1997 playoffs. They should check to see if he has Charlie Ward in his back pocket.
tick tock
he didn’t call the time out before the wrap up !
I can’t believe James did that ?
P.J. Brown is a thug.
oh boy
nick in sf-
to carry your line of thinking further, if people could be experts on( and comment) only on what they have experienced , than gene michael could only talk about playing shortstop and jeter coudn’t talk about pitching.
or that ricky peterson couldn’t be an expert on pitchers who are all better than he was.
we know this isn’t how it works. of course people expand beyond just what they have experienced. i’m just saying there’s a disconnect when the experience of someone is really marginal and he or she become an “expert” simply because he or she is extremely smart.
there are a lot of kinds of “smart”. i’m honestly not impressed with bill james kind of “smart” when it’s applied to baseball. but i don’t totally discount it either because i like numbers.
my overall feeling is whatever gets people interested in the game is a good thing.
good series LeBron it’s not your fault your stuck w/ bums
So I guess I will now become a Pistons fan for the next couple of days
randy l, that wasn’t actually my line of thinking at all.
My friend is at the stadium, saw t-shirts that said
“I don’t brake for Sox fans”
Mike O’Phoni was on ESPN…this is just a disaster waiting to unfold
I read in Japanese sports papers that Matsui admitted his bat was getting cold. I thought Girardi would bench him ’cause a lefty is pitching today.
GO PISTONS!!!
Whenever something like this happens, I can only assume that there is a nastier fate wating to break the hearts of Boston fans. Like maybe a game 7 with the Celtics leading by two points at home, with 8 seconds on the shot clock, and the Pistons pull off a three-pointer with one second remaining in the game.
Today’s good news from my perspective. It is definitively appearing, at least according to today’s face-up penny, that Yankees will take tonight’s game. I actually had to wait to see the score of the Celtics game because had the Cavs won, I would have thought it was possible that the penny was indicating THAT good luck. (Not that it would have meant bad luck for the Yanks of course.)
GO YANKEES!!
GO PENNY!!!
I won’t ever tell you if I find a coin face down, and I won’t always tell you when I find a coin face up. Again I don’t find coins before each and every game. But geeze after all the lousy things that happened today concerning teams from that tiny little provincial city in the northeast, I figured it wouldn’t hurt to think we at least have a penny on our side!
last time Andy Pettitte went winless in 5 starts 1996….hmmm
I really liked Kevin Garnett, always hoped he would land with the Knicks, Ray Allan too. Can’t root for them now. Go Pistons.
Trisha – the face up penny is a good sign to me. I really think that the Yankees and Wang should be able to beat Perez. The Yanks really do have to have patient at bats against him as he tends to have wild streaks.
Brandon -
Looking for omens????
Fran, I don’t know enough about the Mets pitching to know what to expect (although we know we can’t always count on anything when it comes to the dynamic bats of the Yanks!… Of the active starters the Mets have in their rotation, exactly how is Perez as a pitcher? Of their 1-5, where would he rank?
G. Love:
I agree with many of your points about Cashman. His most important contributions to the NYY Organization has been his realignment of the scouting system and the rebuilding of the Minor League organizaton. His success in obtaining role players and long/short relief pitchers, (particulary from the left side) for the past two years has been dismal.
One of the biggest cardinal sins was going into 2008 with two unproven rookies (Hughes and Kennedy) who haved logged less than 85 innings pitched at the MLB level – especially when your Team payroll is +200 Million and your Goal is the Post Season and World Championship! Maybe the Twins wanted too much for Santana, but there had to be other deals for solid, experienced starters that Cashman could have pulled off.
And the first base situation – especially defensively – is beyond stupid!
Doreen and Brandon, that’s the kind of thing that of course lets me know that, well you know.
Ray Allen’s a butt. He’s been a ghost all season long. I can see the Pistons stealing one in Boston.
Something must be in the water. Daisuke and the Celtics keep escaping trouble…
“to carry your line of thinking further, if people could be experts on( and comment) only on what they have experienced , than gene michael could only talk about playing shortstop and jeter coudn’t talk about pitching.”
?? That’s not what his line of thinking was. Nick said that he thinks most people DO get what Morgan says. You’re the one who thinks that we don’t. If you’re right, then Morgan’s still doing a bad job…since he’s SUPPOSED to express himself so that fans (and not only ex-players) can understand.
I think that Morgan does just fine when he’s talking hitting mechanics. I find it easy to understand what he’s saying, partly because I’ve heard a lot of it before from many other analysts, and partly because it’s all pretty simple physics and anatomy. I just consider it inexcusable that the man can’t be bothered to do his job. I mean, he’s just the lead analyst on the biggest national sports network in the country…is it too much to ask for him to read the briefings about the players in front of him that I’m SURE somebody prepared for him?
Anyone know why the Jays brought in Halladay as a reliever?
Halladay pitching in relief…
Since I absolutely stink at predicting actual game details, I guess I’ll give us something to laugh at!! Okay, tonight’s offensive hero will be Robby Cano.
GO ROBBY!
Jennifer,
Looks like Marcum only went one, Camp went 4, and some other guys patched up the rest.
Probably his regular throwing day.
not good for Lebron to walk off court right after game and not congratulate Celtics, looks bad
Trisha – probably #3 now, but if Pedro was there probably #4. He is a lefty but he is very erratic. I dropeed him from my fantast team because he was loosing points. He tends to loose focus easily.
In fact the Yankees are going to tear the cover off the ball. The final score will be 12-1.
RISP? You’ve never seen so many ribbies with RISP. In fact if there are any homers, it probably won’t be more than 2.
Uh, I guess that’s it for now!
so much for the slump Gardner in game 2 took SJ’s words to heart
Brett Gardner 1 for 2, 2R, 1 HR, SB, BB
BTW it was off a LHP
Jason Lane was 3 for 4 w/ a HR
Justin Christian 2 for 3, 2 R, 1 HR, SB
Patterson 1 IP, w/ a K no hits
Marquez was so and so…until later peoples
mel I just checked their site, there was a rain delay. Good for me and my fantasy team.
Trisha.
We can all agree that no one would pay a penny for your thoughts….
-dennis
“but there had to be other deals for solid, experienced starters that Cashman could have pulled off.”
Who dealt solid experienced starters this offseason? Did you see ANY change hands?
Carlos Silva was pretty much who was available as an FA, and he required a 4 year deal. Randy l LOVES Livan Hernandez, but he’s got a K rate under 3 and a WHIP over 1.4 He’s getting lucky, and the other shoe is going to drop SOON.
Yeah, Cash could have overpaid for another veteran starter that would have sat in the rotation being mediocre for several more years. Why? All that’d do would keep the train rolling along like it has been…an old, expensive team that can’t get over the hump.
“Anyone know why the Jays brought in Halladay as a reliever?”
Mik Francesa said he would be more effective there
Dennis -
He he he! That may very well be true.
So all I can say is thank heavens for blogs!
From newsday blog
Great news on Jorge!!
Say, what happened to last year’s squirrels?
Blargh – I think Ortiz ate them!
Thanks for taking it as a joke.
Good Luck to CMW this eve.
Have a good night.
-dennis
Jennifer – thanks for that post. With Alex probably back on Tuesday and Jorge in the next couple of weeks things are starting to look up.
I really think that we will go on a tear starting tonight! We play today we win today dats it!!
Alex will come back Tuesday and give the team a huge boost!!
Can’t wait till we get back Jorge and Alex.
Just hope we can get a win tonight.
Dennis – thanks for being a good sport. I have to tell you in all sincerity that the one reason I hate that a few of you guys are here more than anything is because you are always so respectful, and it bothers me on some level to be so demeaning to your city and your teams because it seems disrespectful to you guys. But I can’t allow that to inhibit me. I hope you understand it is all part of the rivalry. Some of my best friends (and family members) are S_X fans.
The Yanks definitely need the squirrel back. Man, did I love that little critter.
dontfire, yeah but don’t you see how much better it is going to be when they finally do return? It would be so anticlimatic to have them here now. You build up to it and then, when almost all feels lost to so many (not yours truly of course…) – onto the field comes a squirrel!
Oh it will be so worth the wait.
Brandon, we missed you yesterday with your Santana HR counter. Had you been here updating live it may have alleviated the sting of our loss. Good to have you back.
Here’s for win # 7 for Wang tonight!!! If we can get 4 runs off of Santana we should be able to scrap 4 runs from Perez and that will be all Wang needs tonight.
I’m watching 48 hours. I can’t bring myself to watch Baseball Tonight for at least four reasons – one of them Yankee and three Sux…
I see Peter Gammons isn’t holding his big Red Sox umbrella, so is it safe to say that the game should start reasonably close to on time as far as we know?
I just figure…clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right…
I am stuck in the middle. I can’t hate as much I love the Sox.
-dennis
hhhhmm Top 10 UFO encounters on Dateline…that’ll do until the game
Yes, with our starting pitching being SO reliable, we need to keep Joba in the ‘pen…..MORONS !….IPK is no MLB pitcher right now…Andy is struggling as of late, ….Rasner is doing well, but to expect that to continue is not responsible….There are arms in the minors that COULD do well but are mostly untested. Joba to the rotation relatively soon is a No-Brainer. Go out and BUY an 8th inning guy, Hank ! ( and sign Mark T. while you’re at it ! )
Think it’s pretty safe to say- ESPN is like a Yankee hater. Point blank. So it looks like Hank was right when he made that “Red Sux Nation” comment. Completly Bias.
Can’t wait till we prove them wrong and we win. What’s gonna happen if Boston becomes second class like they use to?
Another Boston sweep, another Yankee loss. WOW. I don’t think the word SWEEP is even in the Yanks vocab this year.
Here’s the move, get two tv’s in the living room. That way I watch something with the wife on the main tv and on the 2nd tv I have the game without any sound. That’s my plan.
Whoopie, A Rod coming back to leave more runners stranded. Do we have any good pitching on the DL or returning to our team? How does one pay someone $15 plus million and has more homers than singles? Our belvoed Yankees. Hopefully Wang will give up 1 or less tonight for us to have a chance to win
did you all see what happened to Cliff Lee today? wow!
Two key misses for Cashman this offseason which cut twice as deep as Theo pulled the trigger on both:
1. Sean Casey – hitting close to .300 and a great clubhouse team player,
2. Bartolo Colon – low risk insurance policy who will make his first start Wednesday.
Russ M,
sure it is, we get swept!
JeffNJ -
You are a good guy!
Or pick up someone’s $16 million option that is afraid of walls and balls hit to them. Answer: Our beloved Yankees.
” Randy l LOVES Livan Hernandez, but he’s got a K rate under 3 and a WHIP over 1.4 He’s getting lucky, and the other shoe is going to drop SOON.”
whozat-
i like how he balances out the young pitchers that the twins have. i like his innings, and i like how he makes almost all his starts each year.
i also like his 6 wins so far, though he just lost at colorado giving up 3 runs in 7 innings.
good thing he doesn’t know he is supposed to suck because his k rate says he should.
I would take Lee over Pettitte, Kennedy, Igawa, Mussina, Rasner, Hughes in a heartbeat
and what if Arod comes back and stinks up the place? then what? all the pressure is on Jorge for his return? we can’t keep depending on that when the others are just simply not accountable for much at all.
Russ M,
well, we’ll see what ends up the final word on Cliff Lee. He was a bust last season, and well obviously this season we know the deal, but today he was shelled! Good pitcher qualifies for all season, at least in my book: or god, at this point I’d be jumping for joy if Igawa sucked all season in AAA and then all the sudden rescued us in the ALDS!
Bold prediction – by the ime the Yankees play the Mets next month they will be in second place in the division (down by two games) and leading the wild card race.
This to me is the weakest stretch of the schedule and with Arod back, Posada hopefully to follow in the not to distant future, it is time to make a move.
Okay espn is too busy wishing people happy birthday to show us the Yankee game.
I still say we should give Boomer a try!
jason –
I like your bold prediction and don’t think it’s so bold at all actually!
Careful, if you disagree with Russ M too often, he’s likely to pull the c word out of extensive crass vocabulary, and throw it in your direction.
“Meet the Mets” is really a dumb song!
What the heck was that cheesy Mets/Yankees crap?
Here we go again, my hatred for Joe Morgan
I know it’s not even June but the Yankees need to start winning. Sooner or later the Sox are going to go on a run. May have already started by sweeping the Brewers.
Okay, Miller has annoyed me already, lol.
I’m not a fan of thinly disguised schadenfreude.
did joe just pick wang to win the Cy Young?
JOE MORGAN IS A GREAT AMERICAN HERO!!!!!
I HATE ESPN GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, God – here comes Gammons. Let’s see how long it takes him to mention the Crock Sox.
Did you know Joe Morgan is a Hall of Famer?
Man, it looks incredible down there. Thanks, accuweather.com. Why do I ever trust the weather people? I can’t believe I’m going to miss this game. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
You didn’t go because you trusted a web weather forecast?
Ack.
I saw CM walking in from the bullpen, facing the sold-out Stadium, and I got chills, my eyes filled with tears because I am so overwhelmed by all things Yankees – and I wondered how in hell he can walk without his knees buckling. I’d have to be carried off the field after dying from fright!
Let’s go Yanks!
Let’s go Wang!
Get a win!
ESPN games are dreadful. I try to turn the sound down and listen on the radio, but then I know what’s about to happen on the tv before I see it. Like having poorly-tuned ESP, I guess.
Joe Morgan believes in multi-tasking. He’s a Hall of Famer and a first class jerk. The only thing worse than JM is that tool Tim McCarver.
great if Wang won CY, but can he pitch in October?
I finally trust Joe Morgan, Hall of Famer.
“good thing he doesn’t know he is supposed to suck because his k rate says he should.”
All I’m saying is that every indication about the guy’s performance is that he’s gotten lucky. All a GM can do is make educated guesses. Hernandez’s performance coming into this season did not make him a good bet. His numbers to this point this season indicate that he is getting lucky and/or his performance is predicated on the strength of the defense behind him. Either way, he’d have been a bad bet for the Yankees.
Anyway, good game everyone. Talk to you later.
Can this Wang pitch in October? My guess is an overwhelming YES!
Friends in NY told me it was pouring and supposed to be lousy all night. Another friend of mine is still on the tarmac in South Carolina waiting to fly to NYC. Been delayed for quite a while. We had to decide by 4 p.m. I’m an idiot.
hate that song!
are they going to play that horrible song all game???????
Oh God, not that Mets song again. Geez!
That Mets song is older than John McCain.
Trisha..let’s get to October first!!
Again – is that Mets song for real????? Where in hell did THAT come from?
Is “Meet the Mets” a polka??
What is the crowd chanting? Bobby?
Getting squeezed already…
It is a six hour drive right? I can’t say that I don’t blame you for not wanting to drive that far, only to maybe find good/bad weather.
i know the Derek Jeter chant…but what is the rest?
Ellen –
Geeze I don’t know but it sounds like one of those broadway tunes from the 40s or something where the chorus line is all men, if you know what I’m saying…
r u freakin kidding me? can’t catch that?
wtf gonzo?? that was a total A-Rod miss!
Trisha,
He hasn’t yet
Are you kidding? Is this just bad luck or Gonzalez?
The good news is that A-Rod wouldn’t have gotten that popup either.
geez
Alberto is back to Scranton where he belongs when A-Rod finally comes back
SOS AROD …—-..–.-
“gonzalez saw it all the way…. he may have lost it for a second at the end”
So people who have played baseball at a high level understand that?
sara – just answering “Jeter’s future wife”s question about Wang being able to pitch in October! But I do believe we’ll be there.
Wang should get a gold glove lol.
nice ground out, let do it “All Night Long”!
If you hate Joe Morgan and ESPN so bad . Why don’t you turn it off an watch something else Don’t bith here
Good. That makes the popup miss irrelevant.
Nick –
I’ll explain that to you later
Seriously. Can someone explain to me why anyone would be a Mets fan?
there’s my boy! I’ll reward him tonite for that! haha lol!
Exactly which team is AG playing for tonight?
geesh
Nice 1st inning by Wang.
I’m watching it on ESPN on mute and just listening to music on my laptop. I refuse to listen to Yankee games on ESPN.
i guess john stirling is right. infield popups in the infield should be caught.
he said this three times as if it were a grand scientific discovery
At least ESPN shows constant love for Jeter.
Trisha, i do too..i have to or else there would be nothing left for me to believe in!
ok offense..let’s do a little better for Wang then the last time he pitched!
pete you got a misspell in the lineup. thats betemit not gonzalez
ok, maybe Damon can get BB, work a count for heaven’s sake!
“Seriously. Can someone explain to me why anyone would be a Mets fan?”
Other than the fact that David Wright is wicked hot, I can’t think of one.
: )
our song is just as bad!
Virgin Islands…I don’t believe that question has an answer. inexplicable
OK, I just realized what was causing the Yankees’ problems all season so far. I walked by my desk and realized that my Tino Martinez autographed ball was sitting in its case UPSIDE DOWN somehow. I fixed it at 8:12PM EDT, which you will all look back on as the turning point of the Yankees’ season.
Get Wang some runs boys. Or at least try…
Ok, will someone please tells these fools that we never play the theme song with the lyrics.
Virgin Islands – gotcha. And nobody has been more aware of that and vocal about it than I. Or not many, anyway. Well I see a new and different CM this year. Not the CM who won 19 games and pitched erratically in the process but won partly due to his team’s offensive largesse, but a shining diamond who is excelling despite his team’s totaly lack of run production.
Tending to look beyond the rainbow, I say he will be able to do it this year.
Tonight is yellow teeth night courtesy of Peter “Red Sox” Gammons.
“Alberto is back to Scranton where he belongs when A-Rod finally comes back”
That will not be the roster move when Alex comes back. Gonzales is the only back-up infielder on the roster. If they send him down, who backs up Cano and Jeter?
Damon sees more 0-2 counts then anyone
Schedule gets much much easier starting Tuesday. I think we’ll win tonight, enjoy the day off and then start to roll on Tuesday. I get the feeling that we are at the low point of the season as we speak.
Greetings all.. wanted to get in before I was yelled at for only posting when they are losing. Since it is 0-0, I guess I am safe..
Wang looks good at this point. Now lets see if the Yankees do more than just pitch and play defense tonight. Stuck in the cellar is not good, but at least it is only 5 back.
Jeff NJ – I like that sentiment!
Anybody here hear rumblings on the life expectancy of Kevin Long?
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, BOBBY, STOP BAILING!!
Not sure why Abreu was trying to pull that ball.
at least if Gonzalez gets on base, he provides some speed, keep him on roster for late inning pinch runner
Tino 4HoF…love it!!!! I predict Yanks win 15 of their nxt 20 now that the ball is in it’s rightful position
Posada is a real no-excuses, bottom-line kind of guy. I asked him about the team needing him back and he said that they should be scoring runs even with he and A-Rod out. “We still have a good lineup,†he said.
What a concept. People have only been saying this since the beginning :rolleyes:
Pepper – only from you!
I was just thinking the same thing about Jeter. He might be having a relatively dull streak but put him against the Mets or the Sux and all of a sudden he come to life…
Lotta empty seats at the stadium.
way to work the count
Why on earth would there be rumblings about Kevin Long?
Many hitters credited Kevin Long with their success last year in that offensive boom, including Alex.
Morgan just said that “some walks are better than other”. Really, Einstein?
“I just realized what was causing the Yankees’ problems all season so far. I walked by my desk and realized that my Tino Martinez autographed ball was sitting in its case UPSIDE DOWN somehow. I fixed it at 8:12PM EDT,”
at about 9:12 pm i had the same thought. so it’s anointed. by you! mark it. from here on in.
i so much hate the mets.
Angel, stop and think about this forum at its worst, and then answer your own question.
But in a rational moment, there shouldn’t.
My sister’s friend is 5 rows behind home plate – he thinks baseball games are for drinking and food…how is this fair?
joe morgan is an a*hole!!!!!
Saying that Girardi should be taking as much heat as Willie????
oh no
Rumblings are ok, but please don’t bith in here.
Girardi’s job in jeopardy, they need to shut up!
It’s always refreshing to see Damon step to the plate having heavy fraternization and laughter with the opposing catcher and home plate umpire and if by some chance he reaches 1st base, he keeps it going with the opposing 1st baseman and 1st base umpire.
When A-Rod comes, shelly will be sent down.
Gonzales is needed as a back up infielder.
Unfortunately, Ensberg will stick around.
“I just realized what was causing the Yankees’ problems all season so far. I walked by my desk and realized that my Tino Martinez autographed ball was sitting in its case UPSIDE DOWN somehow. I fixed it at 8:12PM EDT,”
at about 8:12 pm i had the same thought. so it’s anointed. by you! mark it. from here on in.
i so much hate the mets.
What else is Posada supposed to say, Nemo?
“Well if they could just hold on until I get back, because the lineup without me in it sucks.”
Of course hes not going to say anything less than a vote of confidence in the current team given how far he is away from coming back.
Weird stolen base there. Didn’t it look like Jeets was running in place?
what a circus it would be if Girardi’s job was in jeopardy, publicly! stop it!
It is 8:26 PM here, and this is my first “Joe Morgan, STFU” of the night.
looks like I should be happy the mute button is on
Godzilla hit it hard, just right at that Giambi impersonator DelGado.
Ahh okay. I was just hoping there hadn’t been rumblings about Kevin Long that I hadn’t heard about.
I was hoping not. I was operating on the belief that ownership is hopefully less reactionary about these things than some elements of the fanbase, lol.
Chatty–I don’t see a problem with that. Is he supposed to pretend he hates those guys? Johnny strikes me as a bit of a nervous talker.
Laura – thought the same thing and quickly thought about his quad and then firgured since he went the same time the ball was released he didn’t really have to tear ass.
I hope that was it sum and substance!
Lets go Wanger!
I have a good feeling about tonight. And I love watching games on ESPN minus Joe Morgan. The games just have a better look than they do on YES.
Angel,
Kevin Long rumblings are coming from hitters not having good at bats in certain situations. We don’t see him telling the players how to adjust as the game takes shape, he just sits there and eats sunflower seeds.
Johnny Damon has a lot to be happy about.
I actually like that about Johnny.
AND SHUT UP ABOUT GIAMBI’S DEFENSE SINCE HE MAKES GREAT PICKS IN THE DIRT!
Giambi really can scoop that ball.
ooooh, the cat makes a good grab too! alright Robbie!
I can’t believe Joe Morgan thinks Girardi should be looked at the same way as Randolph. Unbelievable. Girardi is missing his 2 best right handed hitters and his #4 starter along with one of his set up men. Willie has his whole team healthy.
Good pick by Giambi.
So the hitters are having rumblings?
just checking. Don’t worry, not starting any, just asking.
Yeah, Johnny does, his wife is something out of Maxim mag!
why wont god take joe morgan from this earth
I can’t believe I actually agree with Morgan, but, yes, that’s a catchable ball for a 1B.
Wanger’s got the ground ball working.
Wangs sinker is working tonight!
Jon Miller is being disrespectful to Joe Morgan.
Great inning Wanger, great inning!!!
Lets get some runs!!
“I can’t believe I actually agree with Morgan, but, yes, that’s a catchable ball for a 1B.”
For a normal 1B. This is Giambi that we are talking about. For him, that was a great play. Anyone else, it would be average or standard.
Rock on Wang!
no,not the hitters, at least we don’t know if they are, but for example, in Tampa last week, we had a rally going with bases loaded, we’re down by 3 and pitcher is nearing high pitch count so we can get to the bullpen, and Melky steps up and swings at first pitch and popped up.
he should have been up there working the count, make him throw strikes, maybe walk a run home, and what do we get? We get a first pitch swinging!
Matt…not only that but Girardi has been the manager of this team for 50ish games…willie has been the mut manager for 4 years and they still suck!
It’s just a shame that Wang has to take the loss.
“I can’t believe Joe Morgan thinks Girardi should be looked at the same way as Randolph.”
He’s just protecting Willie – it is a 2B thing, you wouldn’t understand.
lurker
May 18th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
why wont god take joe morgan from this earth
it is a curious predicament that god is in, Joe Morgan or Tim McCarver or Michael Kay… In the end, god will defer to the beast below and take what is left.
I agree with Miller that it wasn’t a routine catchable ball.
Lurker as much as Joe Morgan drives me crazy I don’t think that was a real nice sentiment and I’m sure you didn’t mean it.
Who do you hate more. Mets or Sox? I vote Mets.
let’s not let the sj44 negative brigade ruin the game and the season
Jeter’s first steal ???!!!
I wonder how many Sheffield has.
“It’s just a shame that Wang has to take the loss.”
???? unless they win…???
I see that Giambi is still batting on the Interstate. At least Cano got himself over the Mendoza line.
nice patience!
I hate the Crock Sox more than the Mets. If the Mets were to make it to the World Series, I would root for them as support for New York City. Whenever the Crock Sox go to the WS, I most certainly root against them.
Ill just mark that down as a sac bunt…
I’m sure it was a typo, lurker meant “why won’t god take Joe Morgan from this booth”
OMG CANO?????? jesus lord in heaven what is going on with our offense?
Dr. Cox, that was either just a totally stupid statement or a reverse mojo on the part of ER. Not sure which.
I, sitting at my home in RI, UNEQUIVOCALLY hate the Sux more.
Virgin Islands,
definitely SOX! hands down!
Laura—But the argument wasn’t about Giambi. It was about the throw.
at least it wasn’t a GIDP.
Nice patience Robbie, especially after seeing Big G work out a walk
GIDP for Cano?
“For a normal 1B. This is Giambi that we are talking about. For him, that was a great play. Anyone else, it would be average or standard.”
because of the large foul territory in oakland behind first base, giambi became very good on picking the ball. he’s above average on balls in the dirt.
Hey, guys.
Stuck with Sterling and Suzyn. Can you guys be my eyes?
How does CMW look? He looks GREAT on Gameday.
It’s time for the Melkman to deliver!
randy–that’s a point I was about to bring up. That’s the strongest element of G’s defensive “game” because of that very reason.
I hate met fans more than I hate the met organization. they were in a total frenzy after the loss on thursday, they beat the Yankees yesterday and all of a sudden they turned the season around and are going to win the world series….a*holes!
do u think Melky got the green light to hit on a 3-1 count?
Yet another runner left in scoring position.
So Kevin Long should have gotten up from eating his sunflower seeds and grounded Melky for swinging at the first pitch or told him exactly what to do before his at bat? Because I’m really not following your logic, or apparently I’m totally unclear as to what exactly the hitting coach’s job is.
Also, unless the camera is on him the entire game, how can you be sure that he didn’t address it with Melky? You can tell a hitter what to do, but you can’t force him to execute it at the plate. Jeter’s bunting at times is an example of that.
can joe morgan stop talking about the size of gloves? who cares!
Trisha:
And people say Im negative. This guy already has the Yanks losing in the 2nd inning,
I hate the Rays more than any team, even the Red Sox. Even when they werent good they were a pesky, annoying little team.
we keep getting ahead in the count, and then poof, we screw it up
oooo I was hoping Joe morgan got plunked by the foul ball…dayumn!!
Giambi at 2nd? We need a triple to plate him!
c’mon Gonzo
The way things look, we should be able to get the Perez.
Running scoring base hit coming right up!!!!
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
Running scoring base hit coming right up!!!!
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
bphill,
If the glove don’t fit, you must acquit!
Wow…that should have been a run scoring hit…
Man, we can’t change a break for *&^%.
If that ball had blooped in for Melky, he’s a hero. Baseball’s so weird.
Re: Kevin Long. The camera is constantly catching him talking to hitters, especially Shelley and Alex. He can’t force players to listen, and you can’t micro-manage a baseball game, especially with players who aren’t as receptive as others.
Damn you, Church. That’s an out in the box score, but Gonzo gave it a ride. And thus is the luck of the 08 Yankees.
The defense is definitely bailing Perez out so far, some good plays from the Mets and some bad luck for the Yankees.
Back to work Wang
Perez is at 37 pitches
change = catch
I agree, I prefer ESPNs camera angles to those on YES. But the announcers.. gahhh
who has the ryan church voodoo doll – I need to poke some pins in it…enough already!
I’ve been flipping channels. Twice now, TWICE, I’ve seen the Yankees hit the ball hard with a runner on second and 2 out, and twice nothing to show but zeros. Tell me, when do those start to go their way????????????????
*shakes head* That was just damn rude.
mel, where are you?
Trisha – just noticed your new “posting name” – you really want boomer back?
wang is going to pitch a complete game tonight
mel
May 18th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Hey, guys.
“Stuck with Sterling and Suzyn. Can you guys be my eyes?
How does CMW look? He looks GREAT on Gameday.”
Hi Mel. I know you were probably looking for some feedback from your fellow Yankee fans, but as a Sox fan I have to admit that Wang looks very good so far! And you know I wouldn’t say that unless it was true.
Do we need to turn to voodoo to help this team out? Am I gonna have to get a chicken or something(KFC of course
)?
One thing is apparent, the Yankees couldn’t pay for a ball to drop with RISP. Even if the field had 1 play, it would be line drive to that player…
God I hate Murphy’s law…
Angel,
then if Kevin Long told Melky to work the count, and Melky simply didn’t understand English that day and just shrugged him off,then that’s insubordination and there should be some accountability for that.
we all would like to assume that Long is instrution Melky to do that in that situation
I think thats been the most frustrating thing, Doreen.
Does anyone think Abreu would make the catches Church did?
Billy Wagner, comedy gold! How can you not laugh at that?
The Bluetooth earpiece just made it better.
Rishi, you know I am on the fence about it, leaning toward yes based on the next dismal outing by Kennedy. If we get Karstens up and he is successful then no. But I’d sure like him in our back pocket just in case!
Rishi–oh, snap, thanks for pointing that out. I’d be interested to hear Trisha’s rationale for that, because….yeesh.
Who has considered those comments by Wagner racist??
Voodoo, doodoo – I’ll take whatever works at this point. I keep hoping things will change when Arod’s back, but who really knows for sure. I just want to enjoy watching (and reading the paper the next day) again,
trisha,
I’m in witness protection. No espn, sopcast not catching, blacked out on mlb.tv.
What’s your e-mail?
Wang is dealing tonight!
Let’s Go Yanks!
On days like this when Wang is dealin’, we have to win these games. These games are gifts!!!
wang is on his game tonight.
also, cano for a gold glove?
Sorry but this Wanger and gang thing is sure a thing of beauty!
I need to learn how to say en fuego in Mandarin.
Cano to Giambi, bridging the racial divide! Only Billy Wagner could hate that.
Nick…the ear piece and the patriots hat when he play in NY! what a jerk!
Man – if he’s willing to sign on a minor league contract and be brought up if he produces, that’s one thing…he makes me a bit nervous, though. I am probably still not over the whole coming out of a playoff game in the 2nd inning (or whatever it was) the way that he did.
is it ok for the players NOT to listen to coaches/manager when instructed to do something?
if it is: then there is something wrong!
“Who has considered those comments by Wagner racist??”
Nobody. ESPN is making that up. First of all, the entire Mets team is Latino. How could he be talking about his other teammates without referring to someone who is Latin.
mel, if you’re blacked out on mlb tv, I can’t help ya.
nick,
the thing that made me laugh was the patriots hat and a southern accent. that guy is a piece of work
Wang looking great.
The Yanks have to continue to work the count on Perez. He does tend to walk betters. Tough luck on Gonzalez’ ball. Thought it would drop in.
at least wang is kicking butt
trisha–and when do you think Wells would be ready to bring his 5.00+ era to the table? He’d need at least 6 weeks to get back to in-game form. Why not spend those 6 weeks trying to get Ian right? He’s got the stuff and he’s proven he can do it. Sitting in AAA won’t help him.
Signing Wells (a clubhouse cancer, btw, despite his on-field success) is a “want to win right now so gimme the ring I deserve” move that most likely won’t pan out that way.
“I’ll take whatever works at this point. I keep hoping things will change when Arod’s back, but who really knows for sure. I just want to enjoy watching (and reading the paper the next day) again,”
A-rod isnt going to completely change this team unless he can start pitching. People who believe that A-rod coming back is the key to cure was ails this team is going to be sorely disappointed.
Will he help? Absolutely. But one play can only do so much.
And is it just me, or is that Cialis commercial too over the top? I don’t want to see that guy using his daughter’s dirty laundry bag to cover up his…. blech, you know.
mel –
I was hoping you were accused of a crime you didn’t commit and now you were tracking down the one-armed man!
Second time through the line up – time for some better luck
I considered them frustrated, not racist.
Dr. Cox,
did someone think Wagner was being racist with his comments? I took it as that the press nite after nite comes to his locker and no one elses,and he’s tired of it
WE NEED TO GET SOME FRACKIN’ RUNS!!!! COME ON, JOSE!!
Go Wang! He is DEALING.
I’m so proud of this kid…hope his teammates don’t let him down tonight.
I’m still trying to work out what the bathtubs have to do with it, Nick.
Are you in some foreign land no ESPN
ray,
Thanks for the feedback.
That big sigh of relief from Boston today just caused a storm in the North Atlantic.
How’s Ray Allen working out for you? I noticed he wasn’t on the floor much today.
I’m looking for a good 5th and 6th inning offensively from our guys.
That said, I sure hope I get it!
Jeter’s Wife:
Just before ESPN and Gammons said something that people around baseball or the NY media considered it racist.
I havent read anything about that and it certainly did not sound racist to me.
nice swing there Johnny
damon looked terrible there. maybe sj is right, the slow bat speed means he is done
“I’m still trying to work out what the bathtubs have to do with it, Nick.”
I think that has something to do with protecting the wife from a 4-hour erection, but I can’t say any more on this family blog.
trisha,
The reason I ask is I’m thinking of cancelling my subscription and was wondering if…
Dr. Cox,
thanks for the clarification.
I know arod’s not the cure-all…but that bottom 3rd of the line-up just plain sucks…
I’m just hoping he can help with the lack of offense
btw, there is a waiting list a few miles long to be a member at NAVY FEDERAL!
Dr. Cox..there was a lot of talk all over NY since thursday that there was a divide between the latin players and the others in the muts clubhouse..they took the things that LoDuca said last year and put them with what Wagner said this year and blew it up
That’s 17 innings without any run support for Wang.
That’s just great!
no cable = no espn = being cheap
Dr. Cox–I see what you’re saying, but there’s something to be said for the demoralizing effects of having your two best hitters out of the lineup day after day. It puts more pressure on everyone else to perform, and not everyone responds to that. Also, we’ve wasted some excellent outings. Pitching isn’t our biggest problem.
“I think that has something to do with protecting the wife from a 4-hour erection, but I can’t say any more on this family blog.”
How much more fun would this blog be though if we could talk about stuff like that… haha.
Why is it so hard to get a little run.
Wang time..again
We need more Right Handed batters. All of our Lefties are in major slumps.
mel, consider it done.
trisha506@cox.net
blah peter g
nice AB’s by abreu. I can’t believe he can hit lefties is that true???
He has terrible AB’s against most lefties.
Karstens stinks he adds nothing to the Yanks…Slop throwing righty….
Wang needs to pitch a shutout to win this game…
Is our offense having one of those nights again when they think as long as Wanger is pitching well they don’t need to score any runs??
I bet the Mets get first hit here….
Nick,
Did you see the one for Just for Men? The girls are begging the dad so he can start dating again? Then the guy and his date send a cell phone photo to the daughters who squeal in delight?
Fast game. I guess no hits will do that.
Johan: “It’s fun to be here making an adjustment to the national league…”
translation:
“It’s fun to be here making $20+ facing national league hitters…”
I will admit to being totally perplexed about this total Yankee drought. I KNOW these guys know how to hit.
Mel
Wang continues to look impressive!
Ah yes…you would have to ask me about Ray Allen. Just kidding. He did have a few good moments during the regular season but indeed has been a bust during the playoffs.
It is especially inexcusable since he does not draw the tough defensive assignment like Pierce who usually guarded LaBron.
Your Lakers are looking very good.
there righties suck; ensberg, duncan, and others stink……
(that was $20+ million, of course)
yeah, kudos to Abreu!!!! lol
I hope that Wang doesn’t have the “Pettitte 4th inning meltdown”
can we consider that a run scored?
One thing we DO NOT want to do is get Reyes hot. He cannot score.
If Wang was any good the offense wouldn’t have to score any runs. He could generate runs on his own with the mythical 2 pitch strikeout. Sigh, I hope this isn’t another BS loss or no decision for Wang
LOL, Nick.
Now I’m really going to laugh when I see that commercial next.
I hate this ESPN coverage. They keep doing these Wagner, Willie, Johan tabloid stories when there is a game going on. When the camera finally cuts back to where it belongs we have already missed a couple pitches and a play.
so stupid they try to make everything a race thing. there was nothing racist about the comments. just pissed off!
That ball should have been caught if he took a better line
Notice that Miller and Morgan did NOT mention CM’s lack of hits until he gave one up.
However, I didn’t realize that OLIVER PEREZ IS PITCHING A NO HITTER!
GO YANKEES!!!
….. and there goes the game.
Mets already with the insurmountable lead.
GREAT PLAY!!
nice lead you had there Reyes! haha!
SIT YOUR A$$ DOWN JOSE!!!!!!!!!
sweet play by wang
Nice cha-cha by Raez
Excellent!!!!
Go Yanks!!!!
GREAT “fielder’s choice” – now for the patented CMW double play
Nice! That was dumb running by Reyes. He’s fast, but not that fast.
mel,
I don’t think I’ve seen that one, and that sounds pretty icky, but not as icky as a father using his daughter’s dirty laundry to cover up his… well, you know.
Nice going, Reyes! Billy Wagner is gonne be mad.
mel,
I don’t think I’ve seen that one, and that sounds pretty icky, but not as icky as a father using his daughter’s dirty laundry to cover up his… well, you know.
Nice going, Reyes! Billy Wagner is gonne be mad.
let’s get a double play here
“….. and there goes the game.
Mets already with the insurmountable lead.”
Who the hell is this guy?
What was Reyes doing? Great play by Wang. love the commentary, FJM must be loving this.
com’on Gonzo, work your damn glove on that field
Maybe I’m being hard on Gonzalez but tonight he isn’t showing that golden glove of his that we always hear about.
WHAT DID THEY JUST SAY ON ESPN?? WANG DIDN’T HANDLE THAT PLAY WELL?????
ugh…a dp still works…keep it in the infield
C’mon wang – let’s see one of your famous GIDP
That brings new meaning to the term dirty laundry.
*cringes*
Gonzo did not eat his wheaties today.
Hey Nick, I don’t know if you’ve been tipping a few because the Yanks have you frustrated but this is a family site. Please stay away from the locker room stuff!
Thanks.
is it just gameday or is wang only throwing fastballs this inning?
He didn’t. He should have ran at the runner more than worked him back to 2nd
Dr. Cox – he could very well be a Sux troll. Who knows.
here we go
arg
Come on Wang. GB still gets two.
rolling my eyes….
oh god, this is not good. Church can hit lately
Someone needs to go say something to Wanger just to slow the game down!
C’mon Wang get out of this!!!!
what the heck is going on here…ugh
What part of the set of ER is that person from?
The psychiatric ward?
I’m not so sure that even if Wang allows no runs through nine we can win. This lineup is awful, awful, awful.
You basically have one hitter you can count on to do anything – Jeter. Abreu and Damon have just had lousy at bats. Even with A-Rod and Posada back. This lineup needs retooling. Problem is, I don’t know how you do that.
I know one thing. I do whatever I can to get rid of Damon. Anything. And I bring up Gardner. What we have now is a leadoff guy with declining batspeed and declining speed.
Gardner can get on base,has lightning speed and covers a lot of ground.Get him up, and get this albatross off the team.
Wow, that is pure garbage.
oh BS, Jeter had a toe on the bag? still nice grab by Giambi!
I think the fourth inning is like kryptonite these days…wtheck!
What is it with the 4th inning??
hw was out!
that was horrible
enough – this is crap…cannot lose this freaking game
what the hell just happened?
A real 1B would have known to throw the ball to first.
Sheesh.
Considering how often the “neighborhood play” is called at second base, we wuz robbed, and now it gets worse.
old bastard couldn’t even swing the bat all the way
Well….this is going well.
this is not good.
i’m not sure what they can do to get the bats going. time for some leadership
This is absurd.
Oh boy, the Met fans at work are going to be a joy tomorrow.
oh what a night! this is bad when ur ace is lookin like a hot mess!
crusin’ to bruisin’ in 10 quick minutes
Yankees are not getting any breaks at all…they must’ve done something to anger the baseball gods…
What could they do to appease them?
Like I said, game over.
It’s amazing how quickly things unravel for us.
eek
Are we watching a reply of yesterday’s game??
Thanks, trisha!
kee-rap
that was foul!!!!
that was fair?
Don’t want to be a spoiler but that could be the game right there.
Giambi and his defense.
Could Miller sound any happier?
What the hell…
THANK YOU JESUS
Well now the yankees catch a break, a terrible bull crap break, but we got one.
that was unquestionably a home run
Who cares what the fan said!!
If Morgan serious here????
wow
well, Wang is human after all.
nobody can pitch in NY these days.
awful call.
Pepper – there were times when a lead like this was not considered insurmountable. Lately, however, it looks a lot like Everest.
That was foul
I love the umpires.
This is the team that donated $1 million to VT, played a game there, is a bunch of classy good guys, and they can’t catch a break lately. If there’s any karma, we should make the World Series.
Wang needs to keep the ball down.
Yankees need to learn how to hit.
Perez is pitching a no hitter.
Oh the ESPN guys are going to go on and on about this now.
is it too late to trade for minkeivitch? i know i spelled that wrong, but we need a defensive first baseman. during the off season, i wanted them to go after lowell.
this off season, they really need to get texiera
this game is getting ugly
just let the men play baseball
That bigmouth fan should be thrown out too.
That call made up for the call at second base, and then some. Let’s do something with this break.
the fan was right.
nice foul pole.
lucky break for the yankees.
I want to see Girardi get thrown out at some point. I want to see him get off the bench and start screaming at some ump.
Sure it would most likely be out of frustration but wasn’t that why he was hired? To be the fire cracker??
A real third baseman and first baseman make those plays (easily) and Wang is out of the inning.
Again, the lack of defense on this team comes back to bite them in the butt.
No range. Brutal.
The karma is as bad as I have seen it in a long time watching this team on a daily basis.
Perhaps Arod will change the karma when he returns Tuesday night.
Something has to because this is one bad baseball team right now. They can’t seem to do anything right.
no breaks when you have the roid loser at first make another terrible play. easy out at first but the lug cannot throw out the guy at 2nd and then the wang implosion.
ladie and gent I hate Giambi, he stinks.. he is a lug…
giambi is a loser that not only cost the Yanks $120 mill over 7 rs or so, but they have had to make numerous moves because of him. mientikiwiecz, and about 5 other 1b are because of his sorry ass…..
he gets a pass for 4 yrs.. the minny grand slam was a long long time ago.
It’s all because Gonzalez !!
Go back to 3A
Sterling & Suzyn have benefit of replay and said it should’ve been a 3-run HR. Someone getting tossed? If we win this game, all hell will break loose. Gameday showed run scored. Is it 3-0?
Willy is such a fag…… his bench coach has to get thrown out for him??
Elizabeth, we’ll make the world series.
I’ve been calling for Instant Replay, but now I’m glad they don’t have it. LOL!
3-0 Mel
forget about luck…. this is supposed to be murderous row offense… where is the offense now… I don’t blame Hank… these players are payed a ton of money… they are playing like men without B_LLs…
Hey does anyone know about a “Mute Joe Morgan button”!!!!!
3-0 mel – clearly a fair ball, should be 6-0
SJ44-
Good thing Cano credits Long for helping to get him out of his slump. lol.
“Willy is such a fag…… his bench coach has to get thrown out for him??”
HAHA!
That looked fair, I have to admit. But whatever, given how this game has been going, its about time they got a break.
I’m just annoyed because this is going to give Morgan and Miller a reason to go on and on about it.
COME ON CM!!!
Guess what? IT WAS FOUL!
The fan may have been right, but if he’s a Yankee fan he should keep his mouth shut and if he’s a Mets fan he should be tossed on principle.
Why do the fans Boo when a pitcher fakes a throw to a base? That’s what he’s supposed to do!!
I’m late with this but the ball Wright hit Alberto should of came up with that. Or at least knock it down. Giambi what else is new he can’t throw.
This will cause a huge huge huge outbreak if Yankees win, which I hope. Karma Karma Karma
absolutely a fair ball and Wang is getting hit hard now
It didn’t hit the pole. It hit the top of the wall and bounced to the left of the pole. If that is a fair ball then it should have been gone.
Morgan is a moron, by the way.
This is embarrassing
giambi has to come up with that
Does anyone remember the turning point last year? It was May 30th, the “Ha” game. It fired up the team and they had the best record in baseball from that point out. Maybe what we need is a brawl.
Im just waiting for Pete to give us the old “Wang is an Ace” post. Unless you guys think Pete wont be trotting that one out tonight?
still 1 out!
Giambi “dove” a negative distance on that hit.
Shattering all accepted laws of physics.
CMW’s count has skyrocketed!
Yankees quit possibly could be the worst MLB team ever. Gonzales flops on a routine grounder. Gonzales drops a foul ball. Cano first pitch swing. Damon swings at a ball 2 feet outside. Ching Ming Stink 4-0, Game, set, match folks.
Another ball by the .180 hitting first baseman that has to be caught.
At some point, haven’t we seen enough? Are meaningless solo HR’s and a a21 million paycheck really worth watching this guy kill them defensively on a nightly basis?
Wang has thrown 3 DP balls this inning and has nothing to show for it.
Geez, I understand its a business but, are they really going to keep this guy at first base the rest of the season?
If they are, the pitching staff ought to have a mutiny.
Holy moly
Get out of this Wang
well, this is a mountain to this offense, so let’s all hope arod’s return does something to get this team going…
Wow. This is game has just had such a psychological shift in momentum.
It was a 4th inning implosion yesterday and now another 4th inning implosion today. Perhaps if there was some magical way to completely skip the 4th we’d be OK…
and there is still 1 out – like 50 pitches thrown this inning, too. 4 hits and 4 runs. Unbelievable
Cano is the only player on this team capable of playing any defense
Ttruley embarassing… Don’t think they will pull this one out, not with the way they are helping Perez out…
just amazing a team with talent can suck so bad.
I’m all for DFA’ing Giambi
yeah I thought gonzalez looked good at SS but he has not looked that good at 3b.. Wnag had 27 pitches after 3 innings, what a implosion.. thank god this is a long season and tommorrow is a off day, they are a dreadful team right now..
god.. the lefty bats cannot hit a lefty, lunging at balls 12 inches out of the strike zone..
Molina pounding the ball at a 201 clip with 3 rbis, the AG with 1 RBI.
Hey maybe cano will bat the next inning so he can swing at the first pitch.. he is very patient at the plate.
man watching giambi field is hard on the eyes, that god he has that golden arm.
yech
That was a 3 run homer.
Elizabeth:
I agree with you 100%. We need SOMETHING to get this team fired up. A brawl would absolutely do it.
Watching the Yankees nightly is like being forced to sit through Major League 2.
Twice.
Win (which ain’t happening much lately) or lose, they are dreadfully boring.
We’ve seen Wang have a bad inning and then come back and settle down.
The only question is – can the Yankees get the bats out and make up for it?
PEREZ HAS BEEN PITCHING A NO HITTER. THAT WILL DISAPPEAR SOON.
Let’s just hope that no more runs score this inning.
Please.
Can the AG play 1st? Or Ensberg? Or anyone else?
Almost right on cue Pete has the standard excuse post up. No mention that he got out of a 3 run homer on a bad call. I guess Pete missed that one.
Geez folks, how is this Wang’s fault? Are you guys watching this game.
Three groundballs that major league infielders catch (one at third and two at first) and each one was misplayed.
He did his job. He got the groundballs. Gonzalez and Giambi treated them like hand granades.
Pete yea they should have made those plays, but you know what Carlos Delgado should have a 3run homer as well.
Wang got hit, but this inning could have been over a long time ago if Gonzalez fields that ball he dove for.
Maybe on Tuesday night the Yanks can skip the 4th inning!
At least Mussina is pitching Tuesday (I never thought I’d be saying that this season!)
Molina is 100% worst hitter besides Duncan I have seen in awhile. Maybe if he lost 100 lbs, he could see the ball
jeter still should have made the play
“Wang has thrown 3 DP balls this inning and has nothing to show for it.”
I’m following on gameday, so I’m not seeing how bad Giambi is, but wow, really?
Also…anyone recap for me the fielder’s choice by Giambi that lead to no outs?
People say that Girardi can’t be blamed for the Yankees problems, but when he continues to put Giambi at first base every game, despite the fact that he seems to make a serious error each game, that is his fault. He needs to go to Cashman and say “I need a real 1B”. Until then, I have no respect for him.
time to do something else other than watch this pathetic team… these are not the yankees… 4 runs is like 15 runs to them… pathetic losers… i don’t blame Wanger at all with this… he was right the last time.. it is so hard to pitch if your team doesn’t score runs…
‘ if he’s a Mets fan he should be tossed on principle.”
no argument from me.i wouldn’t let enemy fans take seats that yankee fans would buy.
Shutout by the Mets. Swept by the Mets.
I want to say this is the lowest point of the season. But I’m afraid the worst is still to come.
call to the bullpen??? please!!!
wow Wangerr lets go buddy.
Ump squeezed the plate.
Also shouldnt an ACE, which Pete never tires of telling us that Wang is, shouldnt he at some point get out of an inning or at least stop walking people?
CMW at 60 pitches.
oh good – let’s load the bases for Jose Reyes…
“Jeff NJ May 18th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Schedule gets much much easier starting Tuesday. I think we’ll win tonight, enjoy the day off and then start to roll on Tuesday. I get the feeling that we are at the low point of the season as we speak.”
I stand by this message I sent at 8:18 tonight.
Who saw the Wang meltdown coming. Wow. Game over.
really joe??
really?
if video replay was instituted it’s a bad idea because it would be used “every play would be reiewed”.
really joe?
You don’t think bigger minds than yours would maybe put a one review per team limit?
He was a great player, but goddamn, how in the hell does he earn a paycheck for analysis like that?
damn that foul ball that just barely missed him earlier.
Bad enough the offense is comatose, now they are fumbling around defensively as well. trying to figure out who has the worse arm, Damon or Giambi…
This inning is crashing WordPress. But now it ends and the Yanks’ comeback begins!
Then genius Girardi bats 10 lefties in a row against a lefty pitcher. I KNEW I sholdn’t even turned this game on. Like watching the Bad News Bears over and over and over and over
finally!!!
This team sucks! The Unwatchable NY Yankees
dump giambi – play ensburg. Someone who can play defense.
This is the inning from hell
Finally!
Unbelievable how we can put out the leadoff double and allow 4 (6) to score after that.
tell me one person right now who doesn’t miss arod
SJ44 the Yankees haven’t seemed to put a lot of stock in defense in years. Whether it’s Giambi at first, Damon in left trading for Abreu knowing he’s afraid of the wall. They look for what he can do offensively before what he can do defensively.
Yankees comeback LOL You can bet your house the Yanks won’t come back. Have you seen there horrible at bats against this guy? Lousy defense.
Besides the handful of non-trolls and sensible posters here, this blog is getting ridiculous. I’m going to go watch the game alone without being brought down more than I do to myself during the game.
I guess I’ll stick to non-game threads from here on out.
that call makes me feel cheap as a fan, let the game play out, they better not lose tonight especially the way the ump called that inning.
“Shutout by the Mets. Swept by the Mets.
I want to say this is the lowest point of the season. But I’m afraid the worst is still to come.”
I agree. In fact, so you dont have to watch the worst thats sure to come you should probably start your car in the garage with the door closed and fall asleep.
That way you can bypass all the rest that sure to come.
Making Perez look like Cy Young, playing brutal defense and otherwise looking completely hopeless… Will this team ever (finally) reach rock bottom and decide to come back up for air?
And after that walk to Castillo (the ninth place hitter!) Wang has thrown 34 pitches in this inning.
Wang did get a few balls up. But he also should have been out of the inning before 4 scored. However, life happens.
Rather than trying to assess blame, how about just rolling with it and rooting for the offense to come alive?
Now that’s a novel idea. Not looking for any scapegoat and just rooting for hits!!!
Ok.
Down 4 runs. Wow, that feels like 400.
Let’s go Yankee offense. Show us some signs of life.
Jeff NJ, I was hoping that YESTERDAY was the low point. Maybe that inning was the low point and the blown HR call was the turning point and now we ascend towards a cavalcade of high points.
Yeah, that’s the ticket!
The offense needs to pick CMW up here by getting some runs. This is a freakin’ joke! Everyone else beats the crap out of Perez. They said that he never makes it out of the 6th inning. Tonight, he’ll probably pitch a complete game.
poor wanger he’s playing this game by himself… no offense and no defense… A-Rod to short stop PLEASE… but nobody in the Yankees has the balls to make that decision…
russ don’t be a moron. girardi has no choice moron..
who should he bat???the great ensberg, or the great Duncan, or who??
they are a lefty dominant team and 2 righty studs are hurt..
so SHUT THE F UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOSERS THE SEASON IS NOT OVER… THEY are 5 out…the whiners here are pathetic.
I wonder how Pete spins this choke job by his boy Wang. Another big game and another big choke by our “ace”
I wonder if Wang will go back to the dugout and beat on Giambi and Gonzalez
that was such a lucky swing that ended up as a 2-run single.
he wasn’t even gonna swing at the pitch
“tell me one person right now who doesn’t miss arod”
Forget Arod, I miss having any major league quality 1st baseman and batters.
i haaaaaaaaaaaaaaate joe morgan
Reyes gave Wang a gift by swinging at that first pitch.
In fairness to Gonzalez, he’s a SS playing third base.
What’s Giambi’s excuse? His bat can’t make up for his brutal play at first.
Its killed them all season.
Here’s what I don’t understand.
The Yankees seem to want to rebuild around solid pitching. A proper and noble goal.
How do you do that and have a guy like Giambi at first base? It makes no sense.
Its one thing to be stuck for the money. Its another thing not to have somebody, ANYBODY who is at least an average ML first baseman.
I’m a Cashman fan but, that’s on him.
If you are going to play Giambi at first, you cannot have a roster without an average (or above average) defensive first baseman on it.
It makes no sense and it cost them 4 runs this inning.
In other words, unless we see an offensive explosion, something we haven’t seen all year to date, it cost them another game.
That’s the kind of stuff that gets my Italian temper up. Mainly because, its preventable.
The day Giambi is off this team, the day they can truly rebuild this roster.
His contract, and his game, are just weighing this team down. Its brutal to watch.
geez, 4 runs seems so insurmountable, with this team
Dr. Cox, I get the feeling that “ER” is really enjoying this and may be a troll. Same with “Russ M”.
AND KIDS – THE BALL WAS FOUL.
You just realized that fact Elizabeth????
You cant be serious
Ollie has a no-hitter. Boo
no more no hitter
” I’m going to go watch the game alone without being brought down more than I do to myself during the game.”
Have a good night!
ESPN, STOP showing me the foul pole for the 40th time, I want to watching the freaking game!
I just thank god that this is the last season I will have to watch Jason Giambi and Kyle Farnsworth
They’re actually going to go and get the opinion of the guy near the pole. *rolls eyes*
Such a bastian of excellent sports journalism is ESPN.
There goes the no hitter.
The Yankees this year are like the Orioles teams about 8 or 9 years ago. A bunch of big names past their prime, zero hustle, zero desire. I’m afraid we’re just going to have to suck it up this year and take it. Hope for the minor league players to develop rapidly. That’s the only ray of hope.
I can’t wait for Giambi, Damon, Abreu and Farnsworth to be gone from this team. I literally can not wait.
shut up floyd
you don’t even know what you’re talking about.
Wang made arguably 2 bad pitches in that inning (including the one that flied out of the fence)
and stop bringning up that ace issue
It didn’t take long for the SJ44 Negative Brigade to come out in force tonight.
please PLEASE PUH-LEEEZE let this be the start of a big inning.
THAT ONE’S FAIR!!
GODZILLAAAAAAA!!
Homerun! Oh wait, nevermind. Foul ball
Godzilla!!
It’s too high
we ruv u gojira!!
Thank you Jeter and Matsui!
ah wayooo
Godzilla strikes again!!!!!
GO YANKS!!!!
Godzilla strikes again!!!!!
GO YANKS!!!!
Can I have some props for jinxing the no hitter?
angles > espn announcers
that helps. lets get something going
Trisha- you think that ball was foul? really?
2 down, 2 more to go…just keep cutting that lead in half!
I LOVE YOU HIDEKI MATSUI!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2′s nice but…
a) are we going to get anything else?
b) does this offensive explosion tonight mean we won’t score any for the next few series?
sj-
the mets are hitting the ball hard. giambi butchered his play. i’m not sure arod gets the ball at third. wang didn’t help himself with the walk.
it seemed like no big deal at the time ,but i went uh oh when wang threw a change up on the first pitch with the bases loaded and left it up.
why would wang ever throw a change up on the first pitch with the bases loaded and one out?
Im more impressed with Jeter’s single than the homerun.
Jiambi is complicit here. He needs to pay up.
welcome back Matsui-san, and there is panty waist Giambi popping up
yay something!!
That works!
NATURALLY Jeter comes up first after the low point of the season and immediately the turnaround begins. Followed by Godzilla.
It’s time to pound this tomato can.
that’s for that instant out Giambi… I cannot WAIT until this contract is gone.
That was not a foul ball. Fortunately, there is no instant replay in baseball, and the Yankees benefitted from the erroneous call. We say “thank you” and move on.
Trisha – props to you for the “jinx”. I told you earlier today that the Yank should be able to hit Perez. They have 2 and it would have been 3 if not for a great play by Church in RF.
Aw man, this season is over. In the history of “over seasons” this one is approaching Napolean at Waterloo like over
Good thing Giambi is in the game for his bat. If it was me, I pinch hit for him in that spot.
Matsui got them back in the game and it was time to get Giambi out of it in order to keep it close.
At this point, I could care less about embarrassing him. Collecting that paycheck for what he brings to the team is embarrassing enough.
I think the “ace” issue about Wang is very important. Because face facts. Hes supposed to be our ace. And he chokes every big game. Hes a great #3. And dont give me 19 wins because anyone can win 19 games with the old Yankees offense. He doesnt miss any bats and his “stuff” disappears for stretches in big games. Like tonight.
We had our chance at an ace. His name was Santana. Hughes and Kennedy may not win more games than Grandma Santana this year. Both at ZERO.
I love how everyone kills SJ44…He is 100% right in saying that Giambi shouldnt be on this team..Think about it the man does nothing to help this team win..The only reason he is on this team is because of his contract..He is a joke of a ball player
I want Perez suspended 3 games!!
well the good news is Wang finally got his runs spport, 18 innnings with 2 runs, courtest by the 200 millions payroll.
Do the Yankees lead the league in popups?
A matsui maxidern moment.
Here is Rick I can fix Victor Zambrano Peterson.
trisha- thanks. sometimes you say some crazy things but that one was genius
I wish more people would vibe in on the way a no hitter is lost is soon as the words are spoken. I mean it happens every time!
Hey that was fair too.
yankees need to fire cashman asap, this team he has built is pathetic
we’ll take the HBP too.
Should the Yankees DFA Giambi (not saying that they will, but that they should) – who do you all think plays 1st?
SJ44 May 18th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Good thing Giambi is in the game for his bat. If it was me, I pinch hit for him in that spot.
Can we be eternally grateful you don’t have anything to do with this team besides bitch and moan?
I have to agree with SJ44 here – time to dump Giambi, eat his contract, and move forward. Giambi is the very definition of albatross.
However else Girardi might monkey with the lineup over the next few games, he should certainly keep Jeter and Matsui back-to-back. They’re our main (if not only) source of offense right now.
Mike,
Do us a favor. Take your poms poms elsewhere. Its so funny you feel the need to stalk me.
If you are either too dumb or ignorant to figure out the difference between discussing baseball and negativity, nothing can help you.
Your stalking of me isn’t going to change a single thing I write. So either get over it or get a life.
SJ44′s hatred for Giambi is hilarious. Unfortunately, I have a soft spot for him so I am going to continue to root for him no matter what.
I am fine with not getting Santana. I was all for keeping the kids and developing them so we can have good cheap players which would allow us to spend in other area. But I felt that way knowing Wang is not an ACE. Hes a very good #2. but hes not an Ace. And everyone who has not written a book about him can see that.
sj (or anyone who might know)
is miranda ready for the bigs?
i like the fact that cano stole. we need to do something to manufacture runs
Stop killing SJ44. No one does negativity and whining and complaining better than him. he really calls it like it ain’t. He said the same crapola last year and look at how well that turned out for him and the other complainers.
Was about to write about dead bats, but Godzilla made that post obsolete lol. Hope there’s more where that came from and they don’t let Perez off the hook.
kd – you mean jinxing the no hitter?
Geeze if there is anything that’s an automatic, that surely is it.
Part of the crazy mystique in the game of baseball.
Fran, you said it and we’re seeing it. Let’s hope it continues with Perez. It’s one thing to give up a hit; it’s quite another to give up a lot!
Maybe the wedgie Jason must be suffering from that gold thong is distracting him tonight. What a waste of a roster spot…
Giambi’s bat scares no one. He glove is good for a few laughs and he’s about as mobile as roadkill. Liability on the field. And he’s becoming one in the box. Seriously… let him go. He’s a shell of his former self and is a serious detriment to this team
Santana gave up 4 runs to the present Yankees offense just yesterday? Do aces do that? Hell no.
(the Holy one that is Beckett gave up 6 runs today…but he’s the Saint of Aces, so nobody talks smack about him apparently)
Rick Peterson looks like a sleazy bad guy from Miami Vice
So what is the Yankees BA with RISP this year so far: .085 or something?
I 100% sure we lead the league in popups.
Game 44 Highlights: Derek Jeter and Robinson Cano steal their first base of the season.
Well…4-2 sounds a lot better than 6-0 or 6-2…
Let’s Go Yanks!
good observation… this team leads the league in pop-ups because they are all swinging for the fences… trying to hit homers…
w/ all Giambi’s suckiness he is tied for 4th in the AL in HRs he just can’t hit them at the right time.
Interviewing the managers during the game has so got to go.
Do all us real fans a favor SJ and pick up some pom poms. Maybe it would help your shotty disposition and bad attitude.
Oh, let’s hear what Girardi has to say.
mel
May 18th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Do the Yankees lead the league in popups?
————-
It’s certainly starting to look that way.
Miller and Morgan are morons. They are saying that the foul pole is not on line with the foul line. Get some common sense.
Alberto Gonzales is terrible at 3rd. Id rather see Ensberg.
Send Giambi somewhere other than the Bronx. I will pay for the cab and flight.
SJ44,
so then why not just use Giambi off the bench, eat the rest of the k for the better of the team, for the love of GOD!
Matty,
If you think he is an asset to this team, God bless you.
If they had a real first baseman out there tonight, they are ahead in this game.
But, fear not, I’m sure you are going to tell me how important he is to the team.
Why don’t you do this. Show me a player make 20+ million bucks a year as bad as Giambi. I dare ya.
He’s killing this team and yes, Girardi should have gotten him out of this game.
There’s deferring to veterans and then there is doing what’s best for the team. Getting him out of this game would be what’s best for this team given his awful performance tonight (and this season) to date.
Oh, he’s lying. This horrible start is not what he thought he was signing up for.
Just do what I do with the trolls and defeatists. ignore them and whatever they say because it will just ruin your mood. I can see criticizing but wait til after the outcome and the games over. otherwise keep your mouths shit.
yea good point the yanks had a great season lastyear…it was a great playoff run
Miranda got hurt today according to Chad Jennings same shoulder which landed him on the dl earlier this year.
BS, Giambi is in a slump, yet still has a decent OBA + slugging compared to several other 1b, including Garko, Delgado and Howard. giambi also has a very low batting average for balls in play, which implies his low average is slightly a fluke. He doesn’t strike out much for a slugger, although he has a low line drive rate, notwithstanding the line drive Santana caught yesterday). SJ actually just doesn’t know much about statistics and reversion to mean, although he has a decent eye for the game. Jeter has actually had not much better a season than Giambi. Baseball fans overemphasize batting average.
So can we officially stop saying Arod is not clutch and move that title over to Giambi? When was the last time he had at least a productive out when it really mattered?
“Here is Rick I can fix Victor Zambrano Peterson”
rick peterson probably has the best team era of any pitching coach over the past 10 years.
I’m pretty sure that “mike” is just an anti-SJ44 bot. There’s a bug in the system.
Dynasty – you betcha! GO YANKS!!!
I still support Giambi. He gets hits and makes some sweet picks and he’s everyone’s pal. He screws up and the hordes are ready to behead him. All in the same game!!!
I’ve never seen anything like it. I figure that if we had a blood pressure cuff on some posters here the ERs would be filled!
I don’t care how Melky, IPK, and Hughes turn out though I think at least one of them will turn out to be pretty good. I think it’s stupid for us to b*** and moan about these huge contracts we have to deal with and then drool over the prospect of getting locked into yet another huge and long term contract. Santana is very very good and one of the best pitchers in the game no doubt, but I’d like to give this more fiscally conservative approach a try.
well, the big tell will be how Wang responds this inning. Hopefully he’ll have a solid 1-2-3
Reading SJ44 during losses makes me want to slash the wrists. s
If only Melky had been able to sustain the hot start he had to this season… Alas, his average is going south in a hurry these days. Come back to us, Melky! Stop doing the nightlife scene with your buddy Cano!!!
How exactly did Wang “choke” in that inning? He made 2 bad pitches, the one to delgado and the walk he issued to load the bases for the first time. I am so tired of explaining to people like you who just jumps at every chance to bash Wang. I am not going to respond to you anymore as there is no point.
And don’t get me started on ur accusation of Wang “choking every big game”. People who are stupid enough to make that statement just piss me off.
Just ignore the morons – it’s like children – they stop when they are no longer getting the reaction they are looking for.
When Nick Johnson comes off the DL, I would make a serious run at him. We could use a guy like him. He can play 1st and any offense is a bonus. He is a .300 hitter.
Who else wants to see Girardi get ejected???
Its like in that terrible ESPN mini series “The Bronx is Burning” when John Turturro as Billy Martin goes out and argues with the ump “to make it seem like he is mad but will hopefully light a fire under his team’s a$$”
Im starting a “Get Ejected Girardi” campaign.
Giambi really doesn’t contribute anything. His defense is horrible and when a team is having trouble scoring runs, you do not want to give up easy runs. He has had some homeruns, but other than that he has done nothing. Should have kept Mientkeiwicz – at least he was great defensively.
hughman – Yep.
This first 1/4 of the season is basically a larger sampling of what happens with these guys in the playoffs in recent years.
Bats disappear…Can’t get a clutch hit.. And they have trouble getting the ball to their one strong point – the 8th and 9th inning with the bullpen.
These Yankees just don’t have the make up (roster wise or mentally) to win a best of 5 first round series.
If Giambi were doing something with the bat, you could overlook his fielding. However, he’s not even batting his weight. I also think that his inclusion on the field puts pressure on the rest of the guys to make perfect throws which leads to errors. I said it before – if Giambi is not hittin better by June, DFA him and his golden thong.
Kd,
Re: Miranda, no he isn’t ready. I saw him play today.
He also got hurt during the first game of the DH.
Looked like he jammed his shoulder and had to leave the game. I don’t know what the official word is re: the injury though.
Hey, I have a soft spot for Giambi too but his defense cost the Yankees multiple runs last inning. No reason to play him tonight against a lefty after playing him yesterday against a lefty.
My question: is either Duncan or Ensberg a superior defensive 1b?
More importantly, how soon can the Yankees get into the Mets middle-relief because Matsui’s notwithstanding, Perez will continue to be tough against the lefties.
I’m pretty sure Nick in SF is part of the SJ44 Negative Brigade. You should feel privileged being a part of the bitter and angry group, Nicklaus.
Look up the words albatross contract in the dictionary there will be a picture of Giambi. Sweat dripping and all.
Floyd
“anyone can win 19 games with the old Yankees offense.’
so why was he the only one that did.
you madam are clueless, need to NOT skip your medication ever and get off the interwebs now because your short yellow bus is outside to pick you up.
Wang settled down at least. The Yankees now have to make Perez throw strikes and generate runs.
See what I mean? This is the new reinvented Wanger. He has the ability to come right back and get the ball where he wants it.
GO OFFENSE!
wang has done well.
“Mike May 18th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
I’m pretty sure Nick in SF is part of the SJ44 Negative Brigade. You should feel privileged being a part of the bitter and angry group, Nicklaus.”
I’m sensing bitterness and obsession from this Mike dude….
Good job that inning Wang!
Now make Ollie cry
What big game hasn’t Wang choked in? The game in Boston? That’s pretty much it right? What did he do the next game against Boston in the stadium??? I see you are a total homer “Kev Van” but live in reality and stop acting like a moron. Wang is a solid pitcher but he is far from an ace. He chokes every big game.
A rather creepy, stalker-like obsession
Randy I- Show us the stats. Prove it.
good inning by wang. this is why he’s the ace, not because of the pitches, it’s because he’s a great competitor. he goes out there and tries to win, not give up when things are bad. like jeter and matsui.
this team needs a spark, a fire lit under them. maybe a brawl. maybe an ‘us against the world’ moment. it;s time they get it in gear
“Im starting a “Get Ejected Girardi†campaign.”
This only works for former Yankees named Sweet Lou.
“Giambi really doesn’t contribute anything.”
That technically isnt true. He is loved by everyone on the team and in the organization. From what Ive read he is a great teammate and an integral part of the team chemistry.
So..theres that.
“I think the “ace†issue about Wang is very important. Because face facts. Hes supposed to be our ace. And he chokes every big game. Hes a great #3.”
Floyd, are you serious?? Wang chokes at every big game? It’s only May but he already pitched a complete game against Boston, a shut-out against cleveland/Sabathia and has out-pitched Halliday. If not for the sleepy offense Wang should be 8-0 by now and you are calling him a #3 starter after one bad inning??
You want Santana, go ahead, his steady velocity decline since 2004 has been well documented and you want to give up the farm to sign him for 7 years. He just gave up 3 homers in one game to our sleepy offense yesterday. Some ace!
Kev Van, right on! I agree totally, I was going to defend Wang against the no-brain haters but I decided it wasn’t worth it. Your post sums it up great.
Pete, keep up all the positive comments on Wanger. I luv them.
Laura: well said.
Mike, that was the first original thing you’ve said in several games. I commend you, you’re actually a human being.
Rebecca, Trish, Yankees Chick, will one of you please make a pass at Joe Morgan so you can claim sexual harassment and persuade ESPN to fire him. He really is insufferable.
Miller is bad enough, but I’d almost prefer to listen to Steve Phillips.
Nice hit by Molina.
Damn, how come that couldn’t go out?
Please – let there be some offense on this team… for the love of …
so Church has a problem w/ walls
Sweet Jesus, Molina with a double and now I’m sure we’ll win this game.
Ahem – not that it will pan out but I did call for Yankee offense to make themselves known in the 5th and 6th…
Hope I’m right because I like to be right.
If the yanks can bring him home with no outs… I will be livid.
Yea, S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up, I’m bitter and angry with quitters, defeatists and anti Yankee trolls who have nothing better to do during games than bash the Yanks, players, management, etc. I can’t stand reading these people like they know what they are talking about.
Mr. Doubles is back!
Unfortunately, we’ll need a triple to plate Molina.
Hello Molina!
if there is a god we will win this 4-5 just so the mets can go crazy over that bad call
Dr. Cox: then they can keep him in the clubhouse as a mascot. Really, I have nothing against him. He is just a dreadful 1B and he isn’t hitting worth a darn.
Well, there’s a sign of good things to come if I ever saw one. Molina smacking a double!! No way! They’ve GOT to do something in this inning now.
Let me say that again
If the Yankes CAN’T bring him home with no outs, I will be livid.
Hughman,
I’m not as dense re: statistical analysis as you think.
I just don’t believe its the be all, end all of player evaluation.
I see a 37 year old, former PED user, who hasn’t been a significant offensive contributor since his wrist injury in Seattle in September of 2006.
Take out his 6 hits against Byrd and Timlin and he hasn’t been good at all at the plate this season.
Add into it his defense, which is embarrassingly bad, and I don’t see him reverting back to anything but being a shell of his former self.
Perhaps he will go on this great offensive tear and carry the team to the playoffs. Or, he will just stumble along, as he is doing this season, and they are done with him at some point.
I just don’t believe statistical analysis is going to play a role with Giambi this season. I think Father Time will have more of an impact as to what he will be this season.
Wang had one good inning. He’s an ACE!!!
Please.
Well, a productive out. Can Abreu score Molina?
How many bats have they broken this year?
Ugh.
Molina did his part…now, a chance to come through with RISP…
This time we succeed!!!!
Molina must score here!!!!
Dee, great post! Time for the offense to pick up their teammate.
Santana lovers should appease their fascination by taking a hike via the 7 train.
Kill-Schill
Some women on this site, please expose yourself to Joe Morgan so we can sue him for sexual harassment and consign him to SNY purgatory along with Reynolds, who actually would be a pleasure to listen by comparison.
Come on Bobby.
SJ44 and the Negative Brigade has a new member. Floyd come on down buddy and join your leader.
The 09 Ny yanks I dream of….your thoughts
1-LF-Damon Sp 1-Wang
2-SS-Jeter 2-Sabathia
3-RF-Abreu 3-Pettite
4-3B-A-Rod 4-Joba
5-1B-Teixera 5-Hughes
6-C-Posada
7-DH-Matsui
8-2B-Cano
9-CF-Melky
Kill: but you’d miss gems like “runs are important in close games.” That was from the second inning tonight, if I recall correctly. Where else can you find such insight?
I will be plissed blind if we don’t plate this run!
EVERY team can plate that run…
thanks for answering SJ. If that’s the case, then we need to get trade for a first baseman. minky? tex (that would take a lot)
do anyone have any thoughts? we cannot be a playoff team with this defense/offense at first
ok, I think we’ve all realized that Giambi doesn’t bring it to the ballpark anymore, duh!
can we move on? nothing WE can do about it
Molina gets a double? I smell the tide turning for us.
For the love of God, Jesus, Mohammad, Mary, Moses, L Ron Hubbard, Buhdda and Vishnu:
GET THIS RUN IN!
Abreu really does need arod behind him.
ps – I’m all for Giambi being a great teammate — that’s fine and dandy, but he’s not being paid $20 mil to be someone’s pal. He’s paid for his bat… which appears to be long gone at this point. And playing him on the field is just a disaster that keeps happening.
How deep would the fly ball have to be to score Molina? Upper deck?
(I say that ‘cos he’s a little slow, not to be negative — I want him to score, get it?)
Way to get out on that limb and say Giambi stinks. That is what goes for criticism and analysis here? What else is up? The sky blue? Death and taxes?
That was fair!
Dr.: glad you didn’t leave anybody out.
the fat dork by the foul pole…….Mangini??
Why are they obsessing over that bleepin’ pole?
If it makes me negative to describe Wang for what he is than so be it. Hes a #3 starter and a big game choker.
eter’s future wife
May 18th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
SJ44,
so then why not just use Giambi off the bench, eat the rest of the k for the better of the team, for the love of GOD!
What good is Giambi off the bench? He can’t hit, or field. That is a recipe for get off the team please. Wasting his roster spot when we could have a real first baseman someplace on the 25 man kills me every night.
Oh and Mike…. enough with the “SJ44 NEGATIVITY BRIGADE IS OUT EN FORC BLAH BLAH BLAH” it’s a really tired routine. New material or something worth a s*** please.
I am not saying Giambi is worth the contract or is playing great. he is what he is. But his oba plus slugging is over .800, despite flukishly low batting average on balls in play. He is part of the church of the 3 true outcomes: strikeout, walk or homer. But he actually has same number of doubles as Jeter, at least before yesterday. Adam Laroche still has a job, Howard, Sexon, Garko, etc. Some of you act like there are a ton of available better 1b out there. There aren’t (although it’d be nice to have kept Pena, but he has a had a similar all power no average year).
Giambi, if he is healrhy, will probably go about .240 average, .350 oba, .500 slugging. And THAT line, on this yankee team, is important. Maybe he shouldn’t play against so many lefties (homer against santana was nice, but Perez sidearms it; I think Joe wanted Giambi to use his patience to work Perez). But the Yankees have nothing better against righties.
Come on, Bobby…Get him in!
My freakin heart is broken.
With all due respect…the foul pole is lined up exactly with the foul line…
way to go bobby u jerk
You left out Joseph Smith, lol.
Oh Bobby.
Come on Jete, they have to get this run in.
Like in Tampa Abreu doesn’t get the runner home with less then 2 outs.
looks like “Livid” is going to come true
this team sucks balls at getting runners in
For what it’s worth, Michael Kay has observed more than once that while the Giambino can scoop the ball well, he’s never been able to make the throw to second and is not a good defender. And it will be a shame if someone doesn’t score Molina here.
Jeter? Please????
Dr. Cox, you forgot Odin and Zeus and Clapton. Please don’t jinx us with the deities.
SJ44, you yahoos, is one of the best things about this board. Why don’t you extend him dome respect by at least disputing his argument rather than resorting to gratuitous ad hominem attacks on his loyalty.
jeezus – abreu really does need arod behind him…
Signing both Tex and CC this offseason would be a bit too much, I think.
Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaase, Jeets.
In my opinion I don’t see Wang as anything but an superb asset for this team. He has looked incredibly sharp this year, facing some tough teams. I think the term “ace” is open to interpretation. I’m very happy CMW is still with this team.
To:Floyd
yes, you are neg sayer.
I say base hit by Jeter and then another thrilla by godzilla!!
Terrible at bat by Abreu there. You have to make contact and get in the runner from third with one out.
Anyone who is saying Wang is not a true number one pitcher might be right.
Most number one starters are strikeout pitchers. (I understand their are exceptions, Halladay being one) Wang being a mostly contact pitcher is susceptible to balls find holes, thus more prone to a meltdown inning.
He does not really have the ability to come up with a big strike out like Joba, Beckett, Santana, Sabathia, Old Pedro Martinez, etc.
When he is in a jam, we know the guy is gonna hit the ball but you sometimes can’t control where it is hit to.
Wang is magnificent. Were it not for poor Yankee offense, he would have no losses and he would lead the league in wins.
An ace? You bet. When you have a lousy offense you can’t make a mistake. Wang is typically playing with zeroes on the board.
An ace? ABSOLUTELY AND POSITIVELY.
And this is coming from someone who was his biggest critic at the start of the season.
what a joke our 9 hitter hits a lead off double and we cant bring him in…
Clapton was only “god” when he was with the Cream (the first time around NOT the reunion). He has only been a minor deity since that time!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !
Terrible…you cannot strand Molina there…
*primal scream*
I hate to be negative, but this team sucks. Criticize me all you want.
This is team is ridiculous.
Abreu needed that fly ball that Jeter hit. Missed a big opportunity to score there.
What’s the logic of putting Abreu second again? Girardi does does a lot of unnecessary (and i imagine disruptive) tinkering with the lineup.
“Yea, S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up,
I’m bitter and angry with quitters, defeatists and anti Yankee trolls who have nothing better to do during games than bash the Yanks, players, management, etc. I can’t stand reading these people like they know what they are talking about.”
Well, you know what dear, I get annoyed with those(and by that I mean you) that constantly just stating “This certain person is part of the negative brigade” that is all you do.
All I have to say is tomorrow, go out and buy obsession for men. Meanwhile try and enjoy the game.
Don’t worry Rob in NY. The SJ44 Negativity Brigade won’t keep me down and won’t shut me up. Deal with it. I bet your negative self can, right Rob?
I also think Giambi should not be anywhere nera 1b, as his role should be LH dh or ph….However I don’t really see any alternatives due to the way the teams roster is set….I don’t see Duncan as an improvemnet with the leather….I think the Yankee FO has their eyes on Texeria, so this could be the way it’s going to be for 08….Besides the losing streak just magnifies the problem….Leadoff double and doesn’t score is an example to the club’s woes this season….
Bobby Abreu is just a joke
lead off double and NO ONE can bring him in.
y’know – if this had been 2006 or 2005 or even last year, if you told me we were up again the mets and oliver perez.. and asked me the possible outcome, I’d have said 10-2 Yanks. But if you told me he’d have a no-no into the 4th, and we were losing 4-2… i’d have laughed. This is an indication of how far this team has fallen.
that’s 19 innings 2 runs for Wang to work with.
I’m sure anybody in the Major can cope with that.especially the so call Ace by the definition of Floyd.
“Signing both Tex and CC this off season would be a bit too much, I think.”
I know Yankee fans who want Texeira,Sabathia,Abreu and Pettitte all signed for next year. That’s when I give them a WTF look.
Capt. Beefheart is g0d
That was sucky
Chris – Jeter was put 3rd to break up the left handed batters. When Alex comes back we have another right handed bat.
For someone with the name “S.A.- I still believe in this team. But they need to wake up.” being negative isn’t really becoming of you, pal. Maybe you should change that name.
Damon and Abreu look like have no shot at hitting Perez. Tonight was a night Duncan should have been in the lineup. There’s no point being on the roster if you can’t put him in when there’s a tough lefty on the mound.
We’ve still got time.
There is alot of money off the books after this year. Giambi, Pavano, Abreu and Pettitte.
What is their to be positive with this team?
Well now this is just depressing.
Man, the way our ace is pitching you would almost think this is a big stage game
i weep for this team right now.
Even someone who has sunshine streaming out of their ass can’t put a positive spin on that last inning. Runner on second and you can’t score him? That’s just basic fundamental baseball…And the Yanks can’t even do that right now. Very distressing…
Nice one Wang.
I have had enough of Church tonight.
Hughman,
For Giambi to produce the numbers you believe he can, wouldn’t you say he is going to have to use the left side of the field just to get to .240/.350/.500?
I don’t see how he can even get to those numbers unless he expands his spray chart as to where he hits balls.
Right now, he’s more like a Ron Kittle type of player.
I’m sorry but, that’s what they signed on for. Especially when you factor in his defense.
I’d love to see him hit those milestones. At least they would getting something out of him.
I just don’t see how that happens unless he decides to change his approach.
Its something we have not seen any evidence to date he is interested in doing.
At least Wang held em to four
Wang in ALDS mode
It doesn’t matter if Arod comes back and hits .500 or .600. If Damon, Abreu and Giambi are going to continue and be absolutely useless then this team will continue to lose every game and score there 2 runs a game. Too many lefties and can’t even make contact. Jeter is the only one doing his job at this point. Hank needs to rip those guys.
I’m so depressed that I think I just might “Keep Up With The Kardashians”
I think we need a motivational speech from Hank, and some cowbell.
Laura, I don’t think you should be criticized for saying the team sucks. It’s hard to say otherwise watching the way they’re playing.
At least you don’t go on an individual player tear, trashing any player who has a bad outing or makes a mistake! That stuff is annoying.
That run is a product of Abreu’s at bat. You put 3 on the board unanswered after you give up 4 and the other team plays a nervous, tighter game. You blow a chance like that and you give them all their confidence and momentum back. Not only did Abreu’s at bat cost them a HUGE run but it gave them the momentum to score another. 1 at bat and a huge 2 run swing. How can you not swing in that spot.
The comments section on blogs and especially on this site are bastions for the bitter and angry. Normal happy go lucky fans don’t waste their time posting on boards especially during games. They have something called lives. The no lifers come out during games.
jimmy- Duncan should not be in the lineup let alone on this team. Perez could throw him three breaking balls in the dirt, and he would strikeout.
In the words of Charles Barkley This team is terrble
You go from being able to get a run on an out to make it a one run game to 5-2. This has been our season so far.
hey whose defense will pete blame that homer on?
And you think your constant whining and spouting the same thing every single night is an improvment over that which you find so objective, Mike?
Newsflash – its not.
PJH,I’ve heard that argument before regarding Wang and him being a “true number one pitcher”. I’m not saying it is completely without merit, as a contact / groundout pitcher naturally is more reliant upon stellar defensive play, but I would offer that this is why CMW is working on additional pitches to add to his repertoire (slider and change-up).
rebuilding year indeed. They may want to start at first base.
Joe Morgan: “I don’t think you can really fault the umpires…”
Didn’t he spend the previous two innings faulting the umpires?
*improvement
Wang the choker. The guy stinks. Pete will spin it nicely and blame the offense and Giambi but we all know who is to blame. Real aces don’t let things effect them. They know their team needs a shutout an a W and they get it done.
c’mon Wang
“At least you don’t go on an individual player tear, trashing any player who has a bad outing or makes a mistake! That stuff is annoying”
Well, I am very critical of Giambi. I think he hurts the team more than he helps it.
Ok, so between Santana’s 4 runs last night against our wet noodle offense (DO ACES GIVE UP 4 RUNS AGAINST A NON-EXISTANT OFFENSE, HUH!?), Beckett coughing up 6 runs, Lee getting tagged for 5 earned runs (6 overall), and Mets scoring 5 so far in Wang’s start, this is a bad weekend for top starters.
is the sinker just not sinking?
I have no problems with Wang tonight.
Frankly, the Church HR is the only run he should be charged with tonight.
The guy did his job. He can’t pitch AND field every position.
He gave up 4 runs in an inning where his third baseman and first baseman didn’t make plays.
He can’t strikeout 15 guys because his defense is terrible.
He did his job (getting the groundballs) his fielders did not.
This just in – Pete heard from his top secret Taiwan source that Wang thought there would be a fielder posted in the stands. Thats why he allowed the ball to be hit there. So that was defintely not Wangs fault.
He has selective memory, Nick.
Hall of Fame caliber selective memory, but its selective memory all the same.
“Jeff NJ May 18th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Schedule gets much much easier starting Tuesday. I think we’ll win tonight, enjoy the day off and then start to roll on Tuesday. I get the feeling that we are at the low point of the season as we speak.â€
I stand by this message I sent at 8:18 tonight.
SJ, Giambi has a higher oba and slugging than Carlos Guillen, Ryan Howard, Garko, Sexon, Konerko, Adam Laroche, Delgado..(and if you want to look at non-!Bs, there is Jeff Francouer, many others). Now, I am not saying they are great or you don’t trade him for any of them at this point. I am just saying his batting performance is not awful, almost completely dragged down by a freakishly low average.
I am not saying Giambi is great, but he is hardly the sole problem with the Yanks offense, which will look a lot better with ARod and Posada back. Jeter is having his worst season ever so far perhaps, Abreu isn’t doing great, Cano is off. Giambi is doing about what you’d expect except for the average. Hopefully, it being his contract year means he’ll keep plugging.
Start retooling now. Get Joba into the rotation now and get him his 150 innings. Get Shelley in everyday to see if hes a legit major leaguer. Let Ramirez, Veras and Ollie get meaningful chances in the pen.
k-we need some runs. Stat
that is the stat.. why they are losing wow.. last in the al in avg with risp.
THAT IS A JOKE.. ABREU, CLASSIC AB…THAT’S ALL YOU NEED TO SEE OF THIS TEAM SO FAR THIS YEAR.. Granted I am not a mjor league baseball player and all but abreus front leg always goes to the right against a lefty pitcher!!!!!!!
that is not good.
Wang everyones charity case(poor ole CM wang) gave up a huge jack to CHurch…Wang is soft like the restof the team.. the hair frosting, softies… they do not play tough when things get tought.. the RISP stat proves it.. MAn they are not a likeable team, I have liked bad Yankee teams so it is more then the losing it is how they lose; giambi, kyle, abreu, just unlikeable guys.. soft overprices yech………….
damon is moving into the unlikeable column quickly and cano because of his visible talent is on his way there also.
jeter, matsui, melky(not a super talent but plays hard) are likeable. Arod is likeable when he does not talk because he cares, is a pro, and obviously a great player….
This also just in – SJ is on an enormous amount of drugs if he really believes that wang comment.
I am all for Duncan playing everyday and seeing what kind of player we have here.
“I think we need a motivational speech from Hank”
If the Yankees loose tonight and with tomorrow being an off day, you may get your wish. Plus Mussina is pitching Tuesday and Hank usually comes out with his remarks before Mussina pitches.
Let’s see
Giambi can’t play defense.
His offense is .190
but he’s funny. Let’s pay him $20 mil.
Y’think that’s what they paid Billy Crystal too?
Frank Discussion- I understand he is working on other pitches, but he is mostly reliant on the sinker.
He was relying too much on the sinker tonight in my opinion.
The Mets are a bad team and they are toying with us. We could be looking at a 75 win team here.
what are the options now?
a trade for a first baseman and a starter? that might cost too many prospects.
patience? the manager will have to step up
i think cashman will have to ‘earn’ his job and get some ‘magic’ on this squad
“Wang the choker. The guy stinks. Pete will spin it nicely and blame the offense and Giambi but we all know who is to blame. Real aces don’t let things effect them. They know their team needs a shutout an a W and they get it done.”
Are you kidding me? Have you been watching this team at all? The only reason we don’t have DET’s record is because of Wang. He has been the only constant we’ve had all year. He shouldn’t have to pitch a shutout every frackin’ game! A 200mil team should be able to get a runner in from 3B with less than 2 outs. How is that Wang’s fault?
What’s with all the questions with Gammons?
what’s w/ ESPN and the America’s Most Wanted video montage
AND SINCE WHEN ARE THEY SELLING THE TEAM STFU ESPN !
Lohud really needs a registration system to weed out the losers.
Giambi became a dead pull hitter once he signed that 7 year contract….
Pete ask Bobby Abreu why he NEVER gets a hit with a RISP.
“Wang the choker. The guy stinks. Pete will spin it nicely and blame the offense and Giambi but we all know who is to blame.”
Floyd, please don’t insult Pete. He has already said in his post update that Wang lost it in the 4th inning and was not pitching well. And only someone delusional would think Giambi and our offense are playing well. There is no need for spin.
The simple facts are these…The Yankees have the highest payroll in all of baseball and currently the third-worst record in the American League. Individual players (and individual performances) are going to be scrutinized. Only the manager is going to sit there with a straight face and say “we win as a team and we lose as a team”…and some managers can’t even keep that facade going for very long. When you’ve got guys getting paid big bucks to put up big numbers and they don’t come through… Well, it just stands to reason someone’s going to start calling them on it.
“. . . Hank usually comes out with his remarks before Mussina pitches.”
I think that is because Moose is the only pitcher that we are sure can read the newspapers (at least till he gets to the crossword)
To the brain dead:
Players don’t get paid for their production now. They get paid for past performance. Giambi is getting paid for his time with the A’s when he won MVP awards and hit .330.
as a pitcher – just how disgusted would you be if your team put the lead off guy on second, and the 1-2-3 hitters couldn’t score him? I’d be pretty pissed. Let’s also consider the non-defense that led to 4 runs the previous inning. Let’s also consider that this is the same offense couldn’t score enough runs in his last game to give him a lead for his solid 6+ inning outing – (that would be 1 run by the way). Talk about pressing.
For every minute you watch ESPN is equivalent to losing a .25 point of IQ. I’m going to be a couch potato by the time this game is done.
You could say Oliver Perez has their number, but so does just about every pitcher in baseball these days. And the RISP thing is just killing them.
atta boy Giambi…get on base
I will say that no one takes a pitch like Giambi.
Boy, Ollie has control issues. We need baserunners, so that’s okay.
There you go Jason! That should quiet SJ44 for an inning or so. Not that I disagree, he’s a major problem for the team. Oh well, this is his swan song.
Laura
You’re wasting your time here. The “Wang is not the true Ace” force is all out tonight.
Rick
May 18th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
To the brain dead:
Players don’t get paid for their production now. They get paid for past performance. Giambi is getting paid for his time with the A’s when he won MVP awards and hit .330.
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Don’t care about that – he sucks now – DFA him and eat the contract. He’s dead weight.
After the game instead of asking Giambi about his thongs maybe ask him why knowing he is diaster of a fielder why he wouldn’t take the sure out??!!! There should be a good bye parade after this year for him. For now on whenever the Yanks face a lefties they should just forfeit the game.
nice, time to go back to Desparate Housewives for the rest of the evening!
Not getting Santana was just flat out wrong and has cost the Yankees this whole season. If George wasn’t dead he would never have let him go to the Mets. You know how good Hughes will have to be to be even half as good as Santana? And they could have signed Cameron to a one yr deal to play CF when they included Cabrera. And 7 yr deals for pitchers while not savvy are what you are going to have to do now that everyone is doing it. You have to pay for pitching. Better spending your money on studs in their prime.
Does it seem like Wang always pitches bad when he’s on ESPN?
Maybe we should see if we can get Sexton from the Mariners. He’s not hitting great, but he’s a better fielder than Giambi.
Sunny,
AMEN TO THAT!!!
Arch- A true ace does what Santana did yesterday. When your team is struggling you stop the bleeding. Wang just made the bleeding worse.
Well.. Mussina is pitching Tues? So I expect a statement from Hank tomorrow
Oh no… Morgan is weighing in on the Satana deal.
I dont know if he’s noticed, but if they HAD acquired Santana, they still would be in the same position as they are now because of the offense. Look at the Mets, they got him and they’re in only a slightly better position than the Yankees.
Sterling cannot shut up about that squandered run in the last inning.
This team is ridiculous. Absolutely no desire to watch them anymore. Embarrassing.
hooray for the offense. Unfortunately for us, the Yankee offense has met their quota for the night and will be taking the rest of the evening off.
This team is turning into the Knicks.
Who has the most homers on the Yanks? Anyone? (I know that doesn’t have to mean much with an offense that isn’t hitting.)
Gang, don’t forget that a lot of the naysayers here could very well be Sux trolls since they have nowhere to be right now and are known for wanting to hang around Yankee forums!
Hughman,
The difference is, he is playing first base everyday and not DH’ing.
His defense at first kills this team. It cost them 4 runs tonight. It can’t be discounted when evaluating what he brings to the table. I think one of the biggest mistakes the Yankees have made in recent years is ignoring defense for offense. Giambi is the poster child for that flawed strategy.
JMO but, that’s a recipe for losing. The Tigers and Mariners have done the same this year. Its no surprise, along with the Yankees, they have the 3 worst records in the AL.
When we start lumping Giambi with guys like Garko, Delegado, etc, that’s kind of the point I’m making about him. I’m probably doing a poor job in making the point. He shouldn’t be an everyday player.
When you are struggling as the Yankees are, you at least have to make the plays defensively. He just can’t do it.
I’d be much more patient about his presence on the team if he was the fulltime DH.
As the everyday first baseman? He has to produce Giambi numbers of the past to justify what he costs them defensively, IMO.
The 2008 Yanks lack a lot right now. But Wang is the least of their concerns.
runner on 2nd 0 outs, can’t score. runner on 3rd one out can’t score. runner on 3rd, 2 outs can’t score. another HR off ACE Wang….same old Yankees
hindsight is 20/20, here we go again!
I am listening to ESPn it is amazing how this guys know nothing.. this is what they do for a living. Hughes pitched 75 innings with the Yanks last yr…
santan good 2nd half pitcher, great.. tell me all about it in 4 yrs when he is making 21 mill..
these guys are friggin dumber then posters on this blog
“Giambi is getting paid for his time with the A’s when he won MVP awards and hit .330.”
So why did the A’s bother to pay him a salary before (and even during) those seasons? Teams pay players what they do because they expect those players will CONTINUE to put up numbers commensurate with what they have in the past.
Can Santana play first base?
The comments section is in rare form tonight.
I don’t see Hal going the DFA route regarding Giambi. Thats an awful lot of money to eat.
Way to go Wang. When the team needs an ace level performance you give a solid 4th starter performance.
Im not usually superstitious, but two solid pitchers (wang and pettite) have started out pitching well and then completely exploded out of nowhere in their past few starts
i do recall a redsox fan putting an ortiz jersey in yankee stadium earlier…..
just a thought
Oh God, they are mentioning us in the same vein as the Nats and the Reds.
Cashman or the new GM really needs to address the lefties in the lineup issue next year. It is absolutely a joke that they have soo many in the lineup against a lefty pitchers. They cant even make contact against a lefty starter. Lefties hit .200 against Perez and yesterday Santana wasnt good at all and righties had good at bats and the lefties had no chance. It is alittle much already…
PJH
I’m sure you must have a good time from watching Beckett work this year.
Well I was dead wrong about the offense coming alive in the 5th and 6th.
Sorry.
No – Wang pitched 8 2/3 for a win against the Mets on a Sunday night game on ESPN in either 2006 or last year.
*correction: burying it in the new yankee stadium
I love how people are getting on SJ for being negative. I’d like to know exactly what this team has shown lately to be positive about?
UPDATE, 9:53 p.m.: They’re 0 for 6 with RISP. 12 of 70 over the last six games.
That’s terrible. 12 for 70.
When there is something to be positive about, I can bet SJ will be one of the first to say it.
Anybody want to go get a root canal with me?
Over and Under on the Yankees losses in 2008: 90?
Mike,
If you want positive outlooks and sunny forecasts you should avoid blog comment sections especially here. And especially with how bad this team is this year.
SJ just tells it like it is, a realistic Yankee fan. What is there to get excited about this team? Hey, they are 10th in the AL in ERA, not in last.
Does anyone else feel like they’re watching a train wreck? As if it’s an awful spectacle, and you want to avert your eyes but you just can’t?
Not to mention, if you’re going to “rebuild” your team around strong pitching, you also need a strong defensive to support them. If you’re preaching “pitch to contact” a pitcher needs to have faith in his defense. A pitcher can’t feel like he’s got to strike everyone out or that he needs to be too perfect.
I thought you weren’t watching amymore, Nemo.
So does this mean that Willie’s not on the “hot seat” anymore?
Angel
May 18th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
I don’t see Hal going the DFA route regarding Giambi. Thats an awful lot of money to eat.
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True, and I’m sure it tastes pretty foul, but if Hank is “mandating” people to start earning their salaries, then it’s time for Hank to evaluate if they can… and in Giambi’s case it’s not going to happen. He can place the blame on dear ol’ dad and say sorry pops, time for him to go so we can start to be more flexible. It’s not joyous, but looking at it from all sides, Giambi is 100% albatross.
Thank God we got our best pitcher Joba in the 8th inning.
Mark- I’m not a Duncan fan but you can’t stick all these lefties in the lineup and expect to score a lot of runs. They showed a stat where lefties are hitting 100 off Perez while righties are hitting 295. Damon and Abrue were bailing are on every pitch. I think Duncan would have had a better shot. That said, they need to find a decent righty hitter off the bench because against a tough lefty, both Abreu and Damon should be on the bench.
Good point Captains Corner.
“Not getting Santana was just flat out wrong and has cost the Yankees this whole season.”
Floyd, true, Santana could have solved all the offense and defensive kinks we’re experiencing right now and that’s why the Mets are #1 in their league…
oh, good grab GIAMBI!!!!
no that’s terrble
Giambi with the pick!
Trisha,
Giambi leading this team in HR’s in the most meaningless stat one could quote.
Arod has been out for weeks and the majority of Giambi’s HR’s have had little or no impact on games.
His defense has had more of an impact on this team so far this season than his HR’s or overall offense.
Quoting stats without context makes zero sense to me.
Put it another way. If the contract wasn’t an issue, how many teams with playoff aspirations to do you think would trade for Giambi and make him their everyday first baseman?
Please don’t give me the nonsense I am Red Sox troll.
Far from it.
I just don’t believe in waving pom poms and acting like Neidermeyer shouting, “don’t worry all is well”, when you see this team floundering as badly as its floundering.
Wang has been good enough tonight. Gonzalez and Giambi both just flat out missed DP grounders that would have had wang out of that inning at either 0 or 3 runs. Then Abreu fails to get in a huge 3rd run and Wang gives up a solo shot. But if this team played anything resembling major league defense and could get a gimme run in from 3rd with less than 2 outs they’re probably winning this game.
“Randy I- Show us the stats. Prove it.”
pjh-
for 11 years rick peterson ‘s teams have averaged, according to my trusty calculator, 4.10 era.
… and his staffs ranked 4.5 in the league on average.
i figured out peterson’s 11 year team era. you got someone better ?
Trisha – that’s ok. Your record is still pretty good. Maybe you were seeing ahead to Tuesday night!
I am going to force this team to win 25 games this season
3 runs
3 runs to tie it up
Let’s go Yankees!
Why would we want Richie Sexson? He is just another home run or nothing overpaid loser. Ill pass on that.
I would rather see if you can get Nick Johnson on the cheap. He can hit well and he can play first base alot better than anyone else. Plus he is 29 and makes less than half of Sexson’s salary.
So why did the A’s bother to pay him a salary before (and even during) those seasons? Teams pay players what they do because they expect those players will CONTINUE to put up numbers commensurate with what they have in the past.
The paid him the minimum they were required to by the collective bargaining agreement. You pay once the player hits the free market based on his past numbers and you pray he puts those numbers up for the length of his contract. Knowing full well that as a players ages his production goes down.
There are poor defensive 1B all around baseball. They are 1B for a reason. Cano has a WAY lower oba and sluggng then Giambi. He is a decent defender, actually good. Cano’s defense does NOT make up for the differential between his numbers and Giambis. Not even close. And the HBP by Giambi and double play grounder by Cano is just a convenient demonstration of that point.
Cano’s numbers will get better. He is a far better player than Giambi at this stage. But his value to date is much less. You can get a ton of excellent fielding lame ass hitters who can give you what Cano has this year.
Trust me, Giambi is NOT the problem. You are being willfully blind if you think so.
“Over and Under on the Yankees losses in 2008: 90?”
I wonder how exactly Hank would react if the Yanks really did lose 90 this year? Especially given his previous comment about taking action “by force” if they didn’t start playing better right now (when they’re not even close to 90 losses, of course). Could it be a bloodbath of epic proportions? I shiver to think…
Randy I- I will see.
Frankly, Giambi leading the team in home runs is like him having the best seat on the Lido deck on the Titanic.
the yanks will lose 68 games this yr….
Lets go Yankees. Lets go now. Lets go Yankees.
Is 44 your IQ, SJ44?
this is painful
I think Wang should get on his knees and beg forgiveness for having a less than sterling outing.
Some of you are totally whacked, and I have a strong feeling you are Sux and Mutts trolls.
By the way, I will still defend Giambi. If I’m the only one so be it. He surely isn’t hurting us any worse than anybody else and is actually doing a pretty good job in the field and has been hitting more in case you haven’t noticed it. He’s certainly not the pariah you paint him out to be in my estimation.
I think the problem here is that on top of fans who typicallly knee jerk, and fans on every team do it, we have another grouping here who are ultrasensative to how poorly the Yankees are playing, so anytime a Yankee player messes up, all they can think about is the bad times.
Just an observation, not a criticism.
Angel, I’m not watching. I love when Pete updates w/ stats and the such (more-so when they’re doing good). Reading the comment section is entertaining (and frustrating) as well
Poor outing by Wang….no hitting…wow, another Yankee loss. I wish they would play like the Rays
“I would rather see if you can get Nick Johnson on the cheap. He can hit well and he can play first base alot better than anyone else. Plus he is 29 and makes less than half of Sexson’s salary.”
Yeah, a lot of people say that, but do you really think the Nats are going to part with him? He’s their best player!!
It’s totally Giambi’s fault that Wang is a choker and Pettitte cannot pitch a competent 4th inning and its Giambis fault that Cano cannot hit or even get on base.
Well Sunny, I think Hank is more likely to be the one to advocate going that route – thats just based on some of his public comments and the feeling I get. I was just wondering out loud if Hal would be as likely to go for it, seeing as he seems to be the more money orientated and they both have to be unanimous in their decisions regarding the Yankees, especially a decision to eat that much money. Given also, that they can buy him out next year.
“Does anyone else feel like they’re watching a train wreck? As if it’s an awful spectacle, and you want to avert your eyes but you just can’t?”
I know how you feel, Ellen, but I just can’t stop reading the comments here tonight!
Jimmy- I didn’t see that stat about lefties hitting 100 wow than you are right I would have put Shelley in the lineup. I just think the league has figured out Shelley, but he could be just as bad as Abreu tonight with a man on 3rd 1 out and not getting in Molina.
c’mon Melky
“Anybody want to go get a root canal with me?”
maybe novacaine would help when watching games.
Ok hunger strike until we win Who is with me Lets start tomorrow Im at the Sizzler now
Not advocate.. I meant be tempted to go down that route.
“Trust me, Giambi is NOT the problem. You are being willfully blind if you think so.”
He’s part of the problem. He’s one of many problems.
Giambi not bating his weight, horrible defensively, stealing money from the organization…keep defending him
Me too, Nick!
SJ – if the Yanks were to get rid of Giambi, who would they play at first base. They do not have a “real” first baseman, and certainly no one who would be good defensively. I know that Duncan and Betemit are not the answer. Is there someone in the minor leagues?
Chicago Dave, Oakland didn’t pay Giambi because they couldn’t possibly afford to pay what the yankees or a lot of teams pay. Not saying it was a good signing or he is worth what he is paid. But it wasn’t even a question for oakland. Oakland couldn’t even pay Nick Swisher, who has a way lower oba and slugging than Giambi.
they really don’t deserve to win this game, this literally is a pathetic effort… I know people are going to say otherwise but what I’m watching I can’t describe.
Hughman,
Giambi is not the only problem with the team. He is a big problem though.
For two reasons. One, his overall game has declined greatly. Two, for the money he is making, he completely hamstrings them from making moves.
Its impossible to ignore the dollars vs. the production.
Sole reason for their overall issues? No. A big part of it? I believe he is.
SJ44 was the same way last season and he was eating his words come Aug 1. But give him credit for being out on a limb and bashing Giambi’s defense.
Rick:
OK, so essentially we agree. A players salary is predicated on past performance, but it is also paid to him with the mutually understood expectation that he will continue to put up similar numbers over the course of the contract (taking into account a reasonable decline as a player gets older).
russ m,
why link back to yankees.com?
“A true ace does what Santana did yesterday. When your team is struggling you stop the bleeding. Wang just made the bleeding worse.”
In the 6 games that Wang has pitched right after a loss, the Yankees have won 4 of them. One loss was 0-3. The other loss was 1-2 (2nd run given up by Mo). All on the offense.
Floyd – we get it, you love a guy that gave up 4 runs to us yesterday, after we got held down to 2 or less by the Rays.
Brandon, it really does defy description.
Yanks scorig 5 runs is like asking Duncan and Gonzalez to get a hit in the same game or Kennedy winning a game
The bottom 3rd of the order is a nightmare.
“Yeah, a lot of people say that, but do you really think the Nats are going to part with him? He’s their best player!!”
Zimmerman is the Nats best player by a million miles. Poor Nick Johnson can’t stay off the DL. Nice guy, but there is nothing there that should interest the Yanks.
Sj44 ripping the Yankees???? Say it ain’t so! LOL. Seriously people have their own ways of dealing with losing. Some criticize and declare the season over. Some people know that the season is long and unpredictable and tough it out.
6 outs till another loss. The bright side is that you can’t get worse than being in last place, can you?
Hey SJ, don’t get your panties into a twist. I didn’t say you were a Sux troll.
Also, you don’t corner the market on being correct every time you say something.
Your opinion is just that – your opinion. Some will agree, some won’t. I don’t think Giambi’s defense has been as bad as you do.
Okey dokey?
Frankly, Giambi leading the team in home runs is like him having the best seat on the Lido deck on the Titanic.
First time I’ve smiled all night was reading that one. lol
Anyone else get headaches trying to sit thru these games?
anyone keeping track of the metlife countdown at the stadium? It would be cool to see a list of everyone who pulled it to see who the yanks got to support the stadium
New Yes show “SportsLife NYC” – is that trying to be like “Sportsnite” on SNY or something?
“The fact that neither Shelley or Ensberg are in the lineup verses a medicore lefty speaks volumes about their Yankee future.”
No. Its because the Yanks want to put the best team on the field to win – which means all the veterans (except for A.G., but he’s in there because he’s the best fielding 3B available). The Yanks are in last place, losers of 6 of the last 9, its a marquee matchup vs the Mets. This is not a time to go to the bench unless its drastic. Also, with the club spending $200M on the roster, they want to play the guys with the biggest contracts (i.e. Giambi, Matsui). If not its a waste of money. Ensberg and Duncan are on the lowest part of the pay scale.
The new stadium does look amazing.
another K.
Blargh, are you seriously ripping Johan Santana’s pitching???
I can see you being against acquiring him because you love Hughes but come on.
What you saw yesterday was a real ACE. 8 innings on the road to save your managers job.
“Not to mention, if you’re going to “rebuild” your team around strong pitching, you need a strong defensive to support them.”
I think as far as the outfield situation is Garner can help that. Melky and Gardner would make the outfield defense much better then it is now. but then you have some who would say they won’t enough. Sometimes that’s the sacrifice you make when you have very good defensive player but they usually lack offensive ability. Works the other way around too a lot. Sometimes when the two come together you have usually have an all-star caliber player.
“Giambi not bating his weight”
Just conjured up an image of Prince Fielder – batting his weight wouldn’t be too bad for the Vegan.
Cy Perez
russ m,
Why do you link back to yankees.com?
True Angel, but one argument to be made is that Giambi is a detriment to this team. He serves no purpose on offense and costs this team wins on defense. In effect, the only way to help this team (which increases it’s revenues when the team wins a lot) is to remove him from it whether it’s some mysterious DL stint or DFA outright. Consider a smaller analogy of if you had an employee that made $20,000 a year and couldn’t cook worth a diddle and actually made messes worse when cleaning so you had to stay later to clean the store before closing, but you had to pay him his salary, would you keep him around to do nothing and pay him? keep him around and make him cook and clean just so you had to stay two hours later and clean his cleaning every single night, or just fire his arse and get someone who can do the job?
“Zimmerman is the Nats best player by a million miles. Poor Nick Johnson can’t stay off the DL. Nice guy, but there is nothing there that should interest the Yanks”
Oh, I forgot about Zimmerman. I remember him hitting that walkoff against Wang a couple of years ago.
It’s funny that so many of you think SJ44 is bashing the team. He’s only telling the truth.
Giambi is not playing to the level that we are paying him. Plain and simple.
The offense sucks.
This game is lost because our defense is terrible.
None of that is true? Come on. Take off the blinders. This team has serious problems. I love this team but they are a bad team right now.
Anyone else notice the wheels coming off the season and the team stinking up the joint coming as soon as Kei Igawa started that game in Detroit?
Maybe Bud Selig will impose the mercy rule on the Yanks and contract them till 2009
It is pretty disgusting to watch Jason Giambi play baseball
I wonder if Pirates or Royals fans live with the same denial that every Yankee fan is now. Do those fans realize they are rooting for a bad team, or do they trick themselves into looking past what theya re seeing on the field?
“Angel, I’m not watching. I love when Pete updates w/ stats and the such (more-so when they’re doing good). Reading the comment section is entertaining (and frustrating) as well”
Fair point, very true. Sometimes reading is just as excruciating as seeing the game.. eg. tonight.
At this rate, we’re going to have as bad a record as DET.
“Trust me, Giambi is NOT the problem. You are being willfully blind if you think so”
Ah, but none are so blind as they who will not see!
Hughman, not worth beating your gums on this one. I agree with you about Giambi.
Giambi’s defense really hasn’t been that bad. He scoops balls and occasionally makes a play on a groundball. But it is very rare and much bigger mistakes have been made by Matsui, Betemit, Ensberg, and Moeller/Molina.
He’s not that bad at all defensively. Those here who tell you that he is are just thinking of a few select moments where he failed to make the play. If Giambi could hit .245 with 35 HR and 95 RBI, I’m ecstatic.
We’ll see.
oh well, have a good night people, tomorrow is another day
Man, three hits against Perez so far. That’s just about inexcusable. This is a guy who was originally jettisoned by the Pirates, and is currently a .500 pitcher with an ERA comfortably over 4. Futility against the Halladays and the Kazmirs is one thing…But Oliver Perez? Come on, now, guys, you can do better than this, can’t you?!
Can I ask a question? Do people really think this is going to get better as the season goes on? What’s the consensus?
I know that A-Rod will be back soon and that Posada will be back next month. But is it possible that the rest of the offense will be this anemic all year? Do you anticipate that the pitching will find a way to keep them in games?
Right now, this team is less-than-mediocre (is that positive enough?) With A-Rod and Posada coming off the DL will the Yankees rise to the level of so-so? Or do folks here expect a dramatic turn around? If so, where do you see it coming from? Because, frankly, things look a little bleak from where I’m sitting.
lead off double LOL
here comes another run – just watch
yeah bring back wells that is a shrewd move.. what the hell a slow, overpaid, ineffective white guy, damn do it.. he can join; giambi, ensberg, and abput 8 other guys…
a stat that I would love to know how many runs have the Yanks scored this season in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings??????
get wang out, enough……the yanks turining a single into adouble that happens at least once every 2 weeks.. again tonight all the runs on HR’s for the yanks……
enough already….
Anyone that wants Gardner up and playing outfield forgets the convenient fact that hes a terrible hitter and a complete singles hitter. And this team has enough offensive problems. Gardner would be a good 4th OF but he is not a starting outfielder on a good team.
Enough with the Wang is an ace stuff already, please. Enough. He is our #1. He is a #2 on a championship calibre team. He is not an ace.
There are only a handful of aces. Not every team has one. We don’t have one right now.
BTW I’m reading all these posts about Giambi and he’s just one of the many problems on this team. But don’t fault any of the players. This all falls on the mismanagement of Brian Cashman & the rest of the Yankees F.O.
Not getting starting pitching, hording prospects, signing post-peak veterans to ridiculous contracts. That’s the story.
Floyd: Edwin Jackson, James Shields, Scott Kazmir, and MATT GARZA have just held the Yankees to 2 runs or less in the four games prior to yesterday…and Santana can’t match that? Hell, Perez is holding us down to 2 runs too.
Yesterday they had Coney pulling the countdown lever when he has already pulled it once a couple weeks ago.
I feel like gauging my eyes out right now.
Captain’s Corner,
Yeah, we need some righty bats. But FYI, two of the three HRs we hit off Santana were off lefty bats (Giambi, Abreu).
Man these games are like doing aggression testing at 2 am… brutal, but with different results.
What is it going to take for this team to turn it around and start playing baseball instead of college level intra=murals.
I feel like this season is just the step they need to set up the future…They need to bring in both C.C and Big Tex in the off season…If they dont then ill be worried about this teams future
What are the chances we can ban “Russ M” and “LASTPLACE YANKEES”. I hate trolls.
Laura,
Even if the Yanks could get Nick Johnson, I’m not sure I’d do it. The team is already too lefty heavy. They need a good firstbaseman who can also hit as a righty. Texiera is the perfect fit. Solid defense, switch hitter and clutch.
SJ,
I understand what you’ve said about Wang tonight but he can’t be absolved of all blame. The ball past Gonzalez was catchable, but sometimes a pitcher must pick up his defense. the Giambi play was bad, but even if he goes to first or gets the out, it still only would have cost the team a run.
I agree though that Giambi has to get off of First Base. he’s just too ineffective out there. I’d keep him around as a Strawberry type pinch hitting power threat and occassional DH. Giambi’s game is just too limited right now to for him to be playing everyday. He’s terrible defensively. He pulls most everything. Singles and walks don’t help as he clogs the base paths.
Giambi is not the only thing wrong with this team now, but it is the most glaring hole on the team. And you’re 100% right, there is no excuse for Cashman not having a viable back-up defensive first baseman on this team.
giambi not a bad fielder!!!!!!!really the guy has zero range and cannot throw…..
scooping the ball is the most basi thing a 1B can do.
CMW over 101 pitches.
I like Nick Johnson, but he’s hurt EVERY year. Another injury prone lefty is not what this team needs
“Anyone that wants Gardner up and playing outfield forgets the convenient fact that hes a terrible hitter and a complete singles hitter”
What’s convenient is that he has blazing speed, so singles for him turn into doubles. Gimme a guy that can hit singles and take a walk with his speed over a Ryan Howard every day of the season.
By Petes analysis, if they wouldnt give Santana a 7 yr deal what makes you think they will give a deal to Sabathia?
Don’t worry. Igawa will get 32 starts next yr since the new Yankees won’t pay for pitching anymore.
Ellen, glad you asked. The schedule over the next 35 games is a cakewalk starting Tuesday. A Rod is back. The pitching has been good. Over the next 35 games, I predict the Yankees will go 23 and 12 to get their record to 43 and 36. Mark my words.
I will say that I might have brought out another Yankee pitcher to start the eighth, nothing against Wanger.
and there it comes – such a great throw there Abreu!
Baltic singles hitters are not a bad thing…
gardner has 3 Hr’s.
enough of the ABreu good arm crap……..
how do you let a guy score on a fly ball that was 120 feet away – Pete i’m serious, get me and everyone else on this blog a try-out
Wright pumped his fist after scoring, let’s see if M&tMD bring that up tomorrow.
Diane – Russ M is only here because he has already been banned elsewhere.
mets fans are miserable people. they breed off of losing traditions
Nick Johnson will cure all the woe’s? Hes hitting under 230 so I guess he’ll fit right in with these stiffs!
fist pump is bush
Jeff: thanks! Optimism with a rational basis. I think that might even qualify as hope!
I can feel my brain cells dying listening to Joe Morgan.
myrtlebeachfan
Giambi cannot throw the ball. It may not show up as much, but when it does, it’s in big situations. Having a first baseman who cannot get an out at second is a big set-back!
Giambi also lacks range, so he doesn’t get to balls others can.
He hasn’t been as bad as I thought, but in the big spot where you need your first baseman to make a play, he always comes up empty because of his horrid arm.
David Wright just pumped his fist when he scored! Where are all the haters?
Is there any reason why Wang is still pitching??? He already gave up 5 runs and now Girardi allows him to give up another one. Doesn’t make any sense. When a pitcher has nothing and you have to keep the game close you take him out. Why not just bring in Farns.?
This is awful. I can’t take another year of this.
Chicago Dave – I am with you about Perez. I had been saying all day that Perez walks batters and implodes. I thought the Yankees would easily beat him. This is really low.
What is the new YES show? I haven’t heard anything about it.
If Giambi is going to play (which he is until the Yankees want to really play with urgency) he can’t keep hitting in the middle of the order. As seen on Was Watching, entering tonight’s game Giambi has had the most plate appearances with RISP (45) and he is hitting .097. There is no logical reason for him to hit in the middle of the order other than the fact that he is a great bat against Timlin, Byrd, and other end of the rotation starters.
From your keyboard to the Yankees bats, Jeff NJ.
The 2008 New York Yankees theme song:
Tom Petty’s “Free Fallin’”
There is that ACE Wang doing it again.
Great performance is another big game.
As far as I can remember in my time participating on this blog, the word “troll” used to only occur in the phrase “Sox troll.” In other words, it used to be used exclusively against fans of our hated rival. Now, people use it at will against other Yankee fans. Tigers eating their young? Seems to happen every day around here these days. Kind of sad to see that Yankees fans are now at each others’ throats on a daily/nightly basis. Can’t we all just try to agree to disagree at times without all the personal attacks?
so sad. I’m getting 80′s flashbacks.
This season is over…we should now be concerned with 2009. Hopefully Casmhman can make some deals and trade off aging vets for some prospects. The Yankees are now in full rebuild mode. The playoff run is over.
enoguh they resign abreu I will thro up.. .he i a good player when arod is protecting him…
he cannot carry a team for a week.. he makes $16 mill…
be real are the yanks getting there moneys worth?????I guess compared to Giambi he is a bargain then again the stat freak think giabi is not that bad..he has a 350 BP, but is hitting about 150 with RISP, I guess that is a good stat…..
This is absolutely ridiculous.
This team is playing poorly because we don’t have A-Rod.
PERIOD.
Without him, we lose a HUGE chunk of our offense. We should still be able to win some games, but being close to .500 without him in the lineup is pretty acceptable if you ask me. When Alex goes on a tear, we win 15-20 in a row. That’s just how this team works.
So let the greatest player to ever play the game get back into our lineup before all of you who think you’re “experts” declare this team dead.
Makes me wonder if any of you watched this team the last 3 or 4 years. It’s this way EVERY YEAR.
There was just a commercial for some “Sportslife NY” show – a nightly (or maybe weekly) recap of the week in sports in NY. Debuts on Wednesday
About Nick Johnson – love him but far too injury prone for my liking., He’s repeated it with the Nats.
That fist pump by David Wright was excessive! I hope Mike and The Mad Dog rant about it for three days straight!
Giambi oba .333 slugging .468
Howard 291 392
Texeira 332 403
Konerko 329 359
Pena 301 403
GArko 311 382
Delgado 303 369
Sexon 287 402
Laroche 294 326
There are other 1b doing worse. Giambi has a higher oba and a higher slugging than each of them. Cano? oba .252 slugging 318. About 250 SLOB points lower, which is a HUGE offensive differential.
Now, on base average and slugging isn’t everything. But it is pretty prominent, and you need to do a helluvalot to mae up for the difference. The Yankees would be doing as well with Damian Easley almost as Cano. Not saying that would continue or that I don’t think Robbie is better than Jason, but J’man really isn’t worse than almost half the first baseman in baseball. Cano has been worse than all but maybe 2-3 2b so far this year.
Fitting… Yankees do the level countdown like the team plays… Looks good until people actually have to participate…
Giambi cannot turn a 3-6-3 double play. I’ve only seen him do it one time as a Yankee and it was early this season.
Two years ago in the play-offs against Detroit he blew it twice in one game.
Ellen, glad you asked. The schedule over the next 35 games is a cakewalk starting Tuesday. A Rod is back. The pitching has been good. Over the next 35 games, I predict the Yankees will go 23 and 12 to get their record to 43 and 36. Mark my words.
This is so delusional it’s funny.
A Cakewalk????
Please…..other teams see the Yanks on their schedule and think cakewalk.
6 runs tonight, 5 a direct result of poor defense.
If folks believe defense doesn’t matter, fine by me.
However, at some point, some of you have to acknowledge this is a very poor defensive team.
In the past, they slugged their way past their defensive difficulties.
Now that they don’t hit with their past production, the defensive inadequacies kill them just about every game.
Give me a contact hitting team that can defend, and I’ll take my chances. Even with this current pitching staff.
Its sure as hell better than watching guys who used to be productive ML players riding out their careers in such unproductive fashion.
Unfortunately, that’s currently a large number of players on the present roster.
A leadoff double followed by a groundout that moves the runner over to third and then a sac fly that scores him. Wow, what a novel concept! I hope the Yankees are watching closely…
On a positive note…This series is helping Willie’s reputation and perhaps saving his job (for now, anyway). Good for Willie!
Chris NY
The season is long and you tough it out. A team is a fluid thing, especially from the month of May with the season about a third over.
“Meanwhile, the Yankees have totally botched the whole “Yankee Stadium Countdown†thing. The had some guy introduced as the “Yankees’ No. 1 fan from Rochester†pull the lever tonight. Nice job, Yankees-Mets on ESPN Sunday night and they’re pulling people out of the stands.
The promotion is totally disorganized. They just get whoever happens to be around. There are so many ways they could have done it right, too.”
Pete, it would have been great to have players who played for both teams pull the lever. Cone would have been great. Gooden and Strawberry too. Or how about ex players who had heroics in the series. I agree with you completely.
Can Abreu make 1 accurate throw?
“They need to bring in both C.C and Big Tex in the off season”
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
First and foremost, we’d overpay & over commit for both of them. So if they don’t work out, we won’t be able to get rid of them.
I like Tex, but I feel a back problem developing. We’ve already been down that road with Donnie B.
I’m concerned about Sabathia’s weight. And honestly, he hasn’t pitched very well this year.
Forget the crappy offense.
This team stinks because of starting pitching. How did we improve our pitching from last yr? We made Mussina #3 pitcher! And brought up two 21 yr olds to start and pitch 180 innings. That is what we did to improve.
Great job Cashman. We haven’t improved the SP since 2003. That is why Cashman needs to go.
And on that note, goodnight all.
I really don’t understand why the Mets players think that these games are big games? The Yanks treat these games like they should like they are playing against any other team. The only team that is different to the Yanks is the R.Sox. The Mets pumping there fists, on the top step of the dugout. It really makes no sense and also seems REALLY corny.
The offense is gonna need an enema.
I’m thinking Johnny Cash’s “Burning Ring of Fire” more appropriate.
It’s so tiring see Bobby consistently off line at home
werent the yankees struggling this time of year last season when the mets were looking like the playoff lock? oh yea and then the yanks were playing october baseball and the mets were being the mets
Enough with these horrible throws by Abreu!!!
This game is utterly unwatchable. I’m saddened that we are embarrassing ourselve this way on national tv.
Nick Johnson is hurt again so quite on the nick talk. but he fits what the astute posters like on this sight, he is over 28, slow, and gets hurt alot.
sign him to a 3 yr extension for crazy money do it Monday.
churhc and schneider 2 losers are killing us in this series..
abreu with another missile, melky has the arm..
what a crime Molina got his monthly hit and they could not drive him in..
this is a HORROR SHOW THE GOOD THING LOSERS IS IT COUNTS FOR 1 GAME, I AM ALWAYS SHOKED HOW FANS GIVE UP SO QUICKLY AND ARE SO CLUELESS ON when team is dead.
toronto loses 2 SS, vernon wells, and is 4 games out of 1st, yeah there season is over……..
Also has Olendorf EVER not allowed an inherited runner to score? You would think that Girardi would know by now that he CAN NOT pitch with guys on base. He is awful when he doesn’t start the inning.
Wang got outpitched by Oliver Perez. How does that make you an ace?
“so sad. I’m getting 80’s flashbacks.”
I know…It is hard not to feel the late ’80s/early ’90s creeping back into the Stadium, isn’t it? Ughh…
Well, that’s baseball justice. We weren’t meant to win this game and they got their 6 runs plus/
I would’ve pitched to Delgado, he’s a shell of his former self.
Cans someone explain this to m why do you bring in a relief pitcher and haver him intentionally walk the first batter. Makes no sense to me just have the guy before him do it if thats what you wre going to do seems like you want the guy to throw strikes when he comes in not get all off his aim and throw intentional walks
The next 35 games are a “cakewalk”?
For whom, the Yankees or their opponents.
Jeff, nothing is a cakewalk for this team so far this year.
Hopefully, getting Arod back is a start.
But, its going to take a helluva lot more than just Arod for us to be talking about “cakewalk” games for this team this year.
CaptainsCorner- Maybe because their coaches life was on the line, and they had a player meeting on Friday.
as exciting as this game is and I’m sure they’ll easily score 6 runs in the bottom of the 8th to get the lead … I’ve got an early day for work. Watching this team right now is just depressing.
myrtlebeachfan
“This is absolutely ridiculous.
This team is playing poorly because we don’t have A-Rod.
PERIOD.”
LOL. I didn’t know A-Rod being in the line up makes everyone else start hitting, pitchers doing their job, and the defense making routine plays.
You can hold on to the last excuse this team has as to why they’re playing like crap if it helps you sleep at night.
The bottom line is that if the team keeps playing the way they are playing right now, you add A-Rod and Posada back in, and we’re still gonna be doing terrible. Woo, we might move from last place to third, if we’re lucky.
You guys want positivity? Here’s some, we scored more runs tonight so far than we’ve averaged in the past 6 games. Pathetic.
I have watched this whole game and to blame all of this on the defense is a joke. SJ really cant comprehend what he is seeing. Has the defense been poor at times – sure. But an ACE rises to the occassion. An ACE pushes thru and gets the job done in a big spot. Also all the Wang apologists want to ignore that 3 run homer.
“This team is playing poorly because we don’t have A-Rod.”
Hasn’t helped, but it’s far from the only reason. Yanks have been .500 even when Arod has played (14-14). Bad starting pitching, bad defense, and zero timely hitting have all been culprits.
ok, this is just too embarrassing
this yankee team is GARBAGE. As i type, Abreu yet again, fails to throw out another runner.
what good is he if he can’t hit, can’t field and can’t throw out runners? Time to trade everyone on this team. They ALL suck. no heart….no fire….nothing. and the girardi STINKS.
Something needs to be done. That is for sure.
It could be something as simple as Girardi showing any emotion and getting ejected, A-Rod and Posada’s return or something a tad bit more drastic like putting Joba into the Rotation now.
This is awful. This team is in an awful state right now.
CaptainsCorner May 18th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
I really don’t understand why the Mets players think that these games are big games? The Yanks treat these games like they should like they are playing against any other team. The only team that is different to the Yanks is the R.Sox. The Mets pumping there fists, on the top step of the dugout. It really makes no sense and also seems REALLY corny.
Hellllo! Maybe that is why the Mets are over 500 and just swept the Yankees. The play every game like its game 7 and treat every like its their last. The Yankees playe every game like its spring training.
“Wang got outpitched by Oliver Perez. How does that make you an ace?”
Unless Yankee offense does something, Perez just outpitched Santana
I’m thinking Johnny Cash’s “Burning Ring of Fire†more appropriate.
Not bad. But there ain’t any fire anywhere near this walking dead team.
why are people referring to this game as a “big game”. is it the playoffs? is it in division? no. no
“Give me a contact hitting team that can defend, and I’ll take my chances. Even with this current pitching staff.”
SJ, you hit the nail on the head. That’s how the Yankees won in the 90′s, and it’s how the Red Sox are winning now (with the exception of Ortiz and Manny).
It’s amazing to see how the Yankees aren’t taking pitches anymore. They’re not working the count. Worst of all, they aren’t fouling off good pitches and making pitchers work. A lot of things hurt the Yankees last night, but the biggest was letting Santana have two 6 pitch innings. The Yankees used to excel at getting into team’s bullpens, and they have been getting worse at that for awhile now.
I’m going to go in to work early tomorrow so I can lock myself in my office before the Met fans get there. If I’m lucky I can avoid them all day. Geepers creepers!
ok, now I can’t watch anymore
evil empire do not act rationale.. the season is over we have no chance, tampa is the wildcard team and so are the marlins.
it is over stop it……
Ohledorf not having a good outing tonight.
ouch……….
That’s all we got? 3 goddamn hits?
You can’t say goddamn on the air.
Don’t worry. Nobody is listening anyway.
Good night support group!
Gonna be a lot of nights like this.
Is Ross just trying to make this mess worse?
Pete,
Where are your rhetorical questions about Wang being ace?
Stuart, I’m not exactly sure how well Abreu was hitting and or playing before he was traded to the Yankees. I Phillie fan would know, but is it possible the Abreu we’re seeing now is the Abreu that Phillie traded to the Yankees? I think he benefits tremendously from Arod hitting behind him. Hence the reason why he’s looked so good as a Yankee until Arod got hurt.
hopefully that’s the homerun that gets cashman fired.
This game is officially over.
SJ44 should change his name to Captain Obvious. Thanks for enlightening us as to why Giambi stinks and they can’t hit with runners on base and they can’t pitch.
SJ44 is right. Jason’s a very likeable on a human level, but he’s become a DH who can’t hit, which is a big problem.
Arod is not going to make things turn around. He is good but he is not that good. He can’t drive in RBI’s, except himself, if no one is on base. Can’t turn a DP if line drives are to the outfield or HR’s, or the pitcher implodes.
I can’t wait for him to return but I fear you will see more of the same. This is just a bad team right now with no confidence, no fire… they are just showing up, collecting a paycheck.
They need a spark but it doesn’t exist.
That is a good good question, Gayle. I often wondered that too. Unless they didn’t want to have the starting pitcher throw four more pitches, but it seems pointless.
I feel absolutely sick. Perhaps there should have been whisperings about Girardi’s job. The Mets showed up to save Willies apparently.
This is really embarassing. The Mets came in as dead as the Yanks and they have come alive while the Yanks are still going through the motions. Ohlendorf has been horrible tonight.
ps – if Cash still reads this blog – this message is for you – since this is a rebuilding year, give Tabata, White, Horne, Melancoln, Cox and Garder a try, because this aged team can’t seem to hit a ball if it were sitting on a tee.
pss – so much of Ohlendorf.
someone just posted that the red sox are a contact team except manny and ortiz. isnt that just about the biggest 2 exceptions in the world? i mean come on. i guess mets losses bring down the IQ here
Good night all.
I’m sure I’ll have nightmares all night but the worse is yet to come when we await what Hank might have to say tomorrow. I can’t imagine…
OH, BS, Baltic – on Friday both teams sucked equally and now today you are saying that the Mets are playing like every game is game 7? They are about to be 22-19. That is not the hallmark of team team playing like each game is game 7. More than likely they were trying to save their manager’s job
This is just ugly.
Something has to be done – even if it’s symbolic.
Girardi has been disappointing lately with his moves. First he brings in the guy and has him intentionally walk someone as soon as he comes in, let alone DELGADO, who sucks right now. But Ohlendorf is stupid to bring in anyway. You take out a mid 90′s sinker for another mid 90′s sinker. Brilliant. They’ve been looking at that for 7 innings, why do you think they’re going to make outs off it after seeing it that much? Girardi is hamstrung by injuries, but he’s blowing it on his own.
For someone that sees alot of Met games. This is REALLY embarrassing. The Mets are about as dreadful a hitting team as they come. They are a dead team. This really shows how bad the Yanks are. Reyes hasn’t hit for a year and a half. But has 2 homeruns in this series. Yanks absolutely stink.
WTH IS GOING ON?
Wang didn’t have his stuff after the 4th inning on, he shouldn’t have come out in the 8th.
Are there only Mets fans in the stands?
Is it time to send down Ohlendorf?
whatever you do… don’t boo.. clap politely and say “we’ll get em next game”.
“Evil Empire
May 18th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
werent the yankees struggling this time of year last season when the mets were looking like the playoff lock? oh yea and then the yanks were playing october baseball and the mets were being the mets”
Yeah….that was when torre was steering this ship.
evil empire it is big game because espn and morons say it is a big game. the winner gets 7 wins you did not know that? This is a bonus game……..
the red sux games count as 4 you did not know that also???
because yahoo’s on this site are worried that they will be pestered at work tommorrow that is why it is a big game…
is there anyone left on this team w/o a glass jaw…
And to think, the Mets came into this series as “team turmoil”.
The Yankees are doing what losing teams always do…..allow struggling teams to get right by playing them.
I think its safe to say this team is a mess without being called a troll by folks who know nothing about baseball.
Unless of course you think its part of the master plan to be in last place right now.
Good thing they aren’t playing tomorrow. Only thing that may be keeping them from another loss.
Its going to be interesting to see how they dig themselves out of this hole this year.
For those who think its just part of their natural order they go 25 games over .500 the second half of the season, keep dreaming.
Its not easy to do and impossible to expect.
Seriously, I have been doing my best not to post at all, especially when I am negative.
But this is what I have been complaining about for years now. When are we going to realize that this is just not a good team anymore? Regardless of what is on paper.
I am so upset, my life is in shambles and I so badly want to live vicariously through a winning Yankees team! *joke
Im signing off. No reason to keep watching this bloodbath.
SJ44: fast forward a month, with what you know about this team (and what you suspect). What do you see on June 18th? Still under .500? Giambi still here? Any big changes, even if only for change’s sake?
well the mets are proving theyr a better road team right now. when we get them at shea it will work in our favor. the shea faithful boo their ACE in his first career met start. i hate hearing their fans in the bronx. its like listening to that kid that never got laid talk to you about getting some.
This is just ugly.
Something has to be done – even if it’s symbolic.
I want to see Hank’s force.
He could start by chaining Abreu and Giambi to the bat outside the Stadium and publicly whipping them.
I have been and will always been a Yankee fan through thick and thin. However, this team is starting to look like the mid-80′s yankees; a bunch of overpaid aging players with no chemistry, no drive and a coach that is clearly way over his head. No way this team makes it to the playoffs, as much as it hurts me to say it.
No winning spirit in this team. Worst thing of all? we are all hoping that A-rod coming back will help them turn it around after all the hate thrown at the guy?? please….
I am putting my optimistic hat on and hoping this game is rock bottom for us and that someone anyone can either get it going or we make some moves we cannot repeat cannot have a team where half the guys dont get on base, the other half are playing out of position please tell me why we have Alberto Gonzalez playing 3rd base when you have Ensbger whom i know has not been hitting but is a natural 3rd baseman and a righty sitting on the bench. If the rh hitters on the bench are not going to get it done and only ist there then get rid of them . Betimit is not the answer as a rh bench player he cant hit rh either.
I am all for some failure but this is getting pathetic. Just like the Mets loss to the National seemed to be rock bottom for them I can only hope that this game is the same for the Yanks otherwise it is going to be a long long season.
Who cares WHAT Giambi is paid now or whether he is worth what he is paid? It is what it is. He signed that deal years. Does it effect who they can sign? Sure. But it does that whether you cut him or not.
Giambi is maybe the 20th best 1B in the game all considered. And if you ditch him the Yanks will have maybe the 26-27th best in Duncan (better against just lefties). I’d say Aurilia with Giants, Garko, Sexon may be worse than Shelly. Maybe not though.
At this point, that’s all that matters. The contract is done. You can’t cut him and be done with it. If anyone is clueless enough to prefer Mientkiewicz or some such for his glove, well, I am glad Cashman isn’t so clueless.
this is pathetic
they do need a spark. if damon wants to be a yankee next year, he better get it going
This is ugly
last year i knew they would turn it around…. this year i don’t see any positives to take out of these losses that would even suggest they’re going to get hot… i hope i’m wrong, but that’s how i feel today
Ok – You’re going to eat your words later this year.
Alex changes this team completely. He makes everyone hitting around him better. He gives the team leads that allows the pitchers to come after hitters and allows us to run on pitchers.
Alex’s return is going to completely turn this team around. It will be light night and day. Make my words, ok?
Our defense is not that bad and our pitching isn’t either. Stop acting like its the end of the world because we’re losing a few games. We were much worse off last year and made the playoffs by a lot. Nearly took 1st place.
SJ and others, you can doubt me when I say the schedule coming up is a cakewalk, my opinion vs. yours. However, we lived this last year. I made predictions based on schedule then as well and said we would get to 93 wins, instead we got to 94.
All the while, SJ44, you wrote about how the Yankees may just be “not that good”. Well they solved their 8th inning problems with Joba, their CF with Melky and the bench with minor trades. Don’t you think the team will fix their problems this year too? I don’t think it, I know it.
They bat around in 2 innings?
Well, the baseball gods (with a little help) have had their say.
Still love my Yanks, but dang this is hard to swallow.
11 runs on 9 freaking hits…9
I kid myself thinking at 5-2 they could come back. Then it’s 11-2 and another laugher in the Bronx. The Yankees are now 9-11 at home and have lost 8 of 11 since sweeping the Mariners. EMBARRASSING.
sunny615- I like some of the prospects you named there, but the first one you named Tabata is abtting about 220 in Trenton, and walked out on his team this year.
I am all for bringing up Cox And Robertson for rp.
rishi showing some shrewd talent evaluation and patience…nice you must be a fan for let’s say since about 1996, just a guess on my part…
classic, again yankee fans are just as stupid as all other teams fans……
rishi other shrewd talent moves???trade for Zito or Pujols, what should we do???
give us some pearls of wisdom….I will cringe when I read it….
omigosh, the Yanks are now the cure for slumping opponents. That’s what it’s come to.
Ok, the low point wasn’t yesterday, it’s today. Tomorrow a much-needed off-day, then the renewal begins.
Arod won’t be the miracle cure, but he adds a much-needed right-handed bat, he replaces a much worse hitter (Gonzo or Ensberg), he lets Jeter hit second again and he gives Abreu a chance to see better pitches hitting third, he bumps everyone else one slot lower, and he provides an defensive upgrade. One player! It’s a cascading effect.
May 20 — the new Yankee optimism — catch it!
Interview Cashman Pete, find out what the F is going on here.
nice our lead off man is hoping to get hit by a pitch too. maybe we can just do that 6-7 times an inning
The Mets came into this series slumping, with a fractured clubhouse and a soon to be unemployed manager. Only the Yankees could make them heroes.
Pathetic and depressing.
Willie should send the entire Yankee roster Rolexes for saving his job.
Hey Pete,
I know you love Wang… But Id hate to tell ya… HE IS NOT AN ACE… Never does well in a big game… And Ace pitchers can pitch out of the stretch
Thank you,
Shane Spencer
This is terrible. I feel sick. The Mets came in practically dead after losing 3 out of 4 to the NATIONALS!!! Their manager was on the verge of being fired, and we lay down and die for them. This offense is pathetic.
More than 25% of the season is over fellow yankee fans, and I am upset. I understand Arod/Posada being hurt, but that can’t be the excuse every single night. We are now 4 games under .500 and in the bottom of the AL East.
I don’t even know what else to say…
Wake me when its football season…LETS GO GIANTS!!!!
Pepper,
A-Rod does restore some normalcy to the line up though, and Abreu tends to hit better with A-Rod behind him. There should be a multiplier effect that helps the line up, though of course A Rod can’t do it all.
There it is. I thought I was going to have a go a whole night without a “he knows how to pitch” Joe Morgan-ism. The world makes sense again.
In terms of VORP, ARod is #5 on the team, with half the plate appearances of the other guys.
That’s kinda sad.
I really hope that Alex can wake this offense up when he comes back.
That’s it
fire Joe Giradi!
it’s like they’re not even trying
THE OPPOSING PITCHER GIVES A TIP OF THE CAP COMING OFF THE FIELD…. THAT’S THE MOST EMBARRASSING THING EVER
Mark – Tabata seems to have matured some since that incident. But if he’s not ready, then go with AGon. Couldn’t be worse that what we got.
why did girardi bring wang out for the 8th???
why???????????????
I just pray that we get Tex and C.C in the off season otherwise who cares anymore
what the hell is this hitting coach gotta get fired…
again the worst thing about the Yanks are the AB’s there having right now with the game out of reach.. weak, quick, no fight.. that is the unlikeable quality of the team again anyone know runs scored in the 7th,8th, and 9th??
what a disappointing season so far. this is like the 4th or 5th year they’ve made it really hard for me to get excited about the games so early in the season. this is just brutal to watch day in and day out. i’m not expecting them to win every game obviously, but they can at least play like they have a chance of winning the games once in a while. these past 2 weeks you feel like they can’t win if they fall behind by 2 runs. it’s really frustrating as a fan.
now they will go to baltimore and win 1 out of 3 if they’re lucky.
Baltic: Obviously you have not seen Met games this year. They are as dead a team as there can be. They want to show that they can play with the big boys in these games that is why they are excited. Pumping fists is not an everyday thing especially not in the 4th inning of a game.
because if he didn’t Ohlendorf would have given up 20 runs?
“The 2008 New York Yankees…..MLB’s Slumpbusters”
Jax as a long tim Phillies fan and one who has seen Abreu since he came up this is the same Abreu you saw when he was with the PHillies the problem he is having is that right now without Arod int he lineup he has to be “the guy” or at least one of them and that is a role he does not like or does not excel at. He is the kind of guy who likes to get on base geets his share of extra base hits, gets on base alot and like to let others to the heavy lifting so to speak. Like when he sets up for Arod. When he is not in that role he does not excel.
oh well, good night… the ground out and pop out team isn’t going anywhere tonight – hope they all sleep well.
Can we finally put to rest all the silly talk about Wang being an ace?
Shoulda went with Mattingly!
I didn’t anything could be as bad as last April & June…But hell, this is getting damn close……
wow…..just got home and am wishing I didn’t turn on the TV……
CaptainsCorner- Who cares what the Mets do. All they did was come into Yankee Stadium, and embarass the Yankees this weekend.
wow mets stinks and they can beat us 2 in a row
Jeff,
Let me ask you something and I’m not trying to be a jerk here.
Do you think just because something happened last year its natural its going to happen this year?
Last year, Arod and Posada were having career years. Pettitte was pitching better than he is right now.
The entire team hit better than they are right now.
They actually had wins from their 4th and 5th starters.
Do you not see the difference between last year and this year yet or, do you just believe its going to happen because it did last year?
If its the latter, you better hope Arod and Posada have career years in them again because NOBODY on this team has shown they can pick up the slack when those guys are out of the lineup.
Can’t believe Im saying this but I kind of hope Hank will come into the club house tomorrow and shew some heads off. Heck, make it George himself I don’t care if he’s in his death bed. I want some fire, I want to see our players charged up. I’m sick of hearing the same old post-game from Girardi and Johnny on how they all “tried really hard but just couldn’t get it done tonight”.
I’m afraid we will all be disappointed if we think Alex and Jorge’s return to save us all. Other tams don’t have an Alex or Jorge to begin with and they’re not playing this poorly.
“rishi showing some shrewd talent evaluation and patience…nice you must be a fan for let’s say since about 1996, just a guess on my part…
classic, again yankee fans are just as stupid as all other teams fans……
rishi other shrewd talent moves???trade for Zito or Pujols, what should we do???
give us some pearls of wisdom….I will cringe when I read it….”
Stuart – Not exactly sure what you are talking about, I’ve been a fan for a lot longer than the last 12 years. I was asking a question, not making a statement. Just like I asked a question about who should play first if Giambi is DFA’ed (like people are saying).
It’s ok to be upset if the Yankess are playing poorly, but it’s no need to get nasty. If he can’t stop the scoring how effective is he as a relief pitcher? He gets brought in to prevent the runners on base from scoring and hasn’t managed to do that so far this year. And if you don’t know that, you might need to pay a little bit more attention to the game and less to what others are saying.
Dee, getting a good night’s sleep is not a possibility for me after a game like this.
I’m bright enough at least to know that I don’t have the answers to what ails the Yanks. Never any offense intended, but I don’t believe that any posters on blogs do either, despite a constant proliferation of opinions to the contrary!
So I just remain a tabula rosa, albeit a rather numb one, waiting to see what the Yankee organization has in store next.
It stinks to hear that this is the first game where Perez has gotten past the 5th inning…
If its a rebuilding year please trade damon and dfa giambi….
Somewhere in LA, Joe Torre is sitting back with a cup of green tea and a big smile on his face.
“This team is playing poorly because we don’t have A-Rod.â€
Alex returning isn’t going to solve all the problems this team has but it couldn’t hurt.
Anyone know if Proctor left his matches? This team good use a good ritual equipment burning.
*chew* some heads off…
Coming to a theater near you:
Indiana Jones and The Raiders of the Lost Offense
A hair raising thriller where the famed archaeologist is transported by a time machine to 2008 in New York City where the offensive prowess of an expensive baseball team mysteriously disappears, along with its pitching. Frantically chasing the missing ability from Tampa, to Scranton, and battling enemies in far flung places like Boston, Dr. Jones finds out a secret more terrifying than any he’s uncovered before: Carl Pavano receives paychecks.
Who is ready for a Hank comment tomorrow?
Ham Hands – definitely not – you don’t win 19 and 19 in the last 2 years (including missing a month and a half to start last year) by accident… he wasn’t very good tonight, that happens… but the whole team still looks like they’re just going through the motions, play with some damn intensity – I can’t wait for Hank to explode – maybe he’ll go in the clubhouse and start busting heads until they wake up
May 18th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Shoulda went with Mattingly!
Yeah He would be hitting 350 now
“Can we finally put to rest all the silly talk about Wang being an ace?”
Sure if having one bad game knocks a pitcher out of contention, go for it!
Roger will pound his fist!
(For anyone that remembers those posts from last year…)
“Can’t we all just get along?” (Rodney King)
Nothing really positive to take out of these past few games.
This team appears to be in a downward spiral. Maybe they’ll pull out of it, maybe they won’t. Whatever, I’m going along for the ride.
Thanks, Chicago Dave!
Stuart you’re getting hysterical.. again. Making sweeping statements about when people were fans when you don’t know the first thinga about them, is plain toolish.
Welcome to 1965 people.
Jeff NJ has a point. They give their guys a chance and if they can’t prove themselves, then it gets fixed.
We’re fast approaching that point.
First thing that will happen is that Joba will transition soon. (Ohlendorf sucking today is a minor obstacle).
If we had someone to replace Giambi at 1st we would. (not having a decent glove to replace him is another minor detail).
Alex will be back soon to replace the AG, that’ll fix itself.
One of the problems I’ve noticed all season, is the pitching matchups (with today a notable exception) often favor the opponents. The rotation is messed up and I’d love to see it get back on track.
I’m glad tomorrow’s an off day. I hope they spend it reflecting on the first quarter season in their gold lame thong underwear. The equipment manager needs to put one in every locker but Matsui and Jeter.
WHAT THE HELL !!!!!!!!!!!!
Chicago Dave,
Ah yes, Polyanna “Porkchop” Pough. Awesome stuff.
trisha – I think you meant “tabula rasa.” Maybe you were subliminally thinking of “sub rosa.” Are you a Christian?
Congratulations Oliver Perez, you just outpitched Santana!
That said, how the hell did we get more hits and runs off of Santana (3 HRs as part of 7 hits, 2 walks, 4 runs in 7.67 IP) than Perez (1 HR as part of 3 hits, 2 walks, 2 runs in 7.67 IP)?
A-Rod, I know it’s unfair to ask you be our divine savior and restore all right in the world (and cure cancer….and end world hunger…and save a few babies from burning houses while you’re at it) singlehandedly, but please do so. Eschew the baby saving if you have to. Or at least instill our players with the ability to average over 4 runs a game again…closer to 5, or higher than 5 would be better, of course. I really want to stay optimistic, damnit.
The most frustrating part is that last year, the pitching was bad and the offense was carrying us. This year the pitching has been pretty good (minus hughes and kennedy), and the offense is doing nothing.
We can’t get a good enough mix of both to win consistently. Very frustrating…
Ross does better starting a full inning, not coming in with runners on. He almost always lets inherited runners in. I don’t know why Giradi started Wang in the 8th. He was already toast.
“CaptainsCorner- Who cares what the Mets do. All they did was come into Yankee Stadium, and embarass the Yankees this weekend.”
Embarrass??? How did they embarrass the Yanks? It was 2 games, I wouldn’t call it that.
“Shoulda went with Mattingly!”
I assume you mean at first base.
Silver lining #1: improved wall play by Abreu, right there.
I can’t believe Perez tipped his cap. That may be the absolute low point for Yankee fans. Embarassing.
This is absolutely awful.
beckett allowed 7 runs and hes not an ace anymore?
donny is probably polishing is coaching wallet right now.
does Hank Steinbrenner host this blog? “the Yankees have not been playing with passion.” yep, that diving catch by Giambi and bad throw caused by overeagerness for the DP – that was due to Giambi’s lack of passion.
SJ44 is right. Last year was a fluke, not a way of winning pennants on a regular basis. Last year NY was lucky to come up with young guys who could do the job. That was luck, not divine right. In ’65, people kept saying that in ’64, the Yankees were way behind late in the season, and they caught fire at the end and came back. But that didn’t help, and NY finished under .500 in 65, and in 10th place in 66, and didn’t see the post-season again until 76. And the guys on the Yankees in 65 were younger than the Yankees today – Mantle was 33, Ford was 36, Tresh was 27, Howard was 36, Pepitone was 24, Richardson 29, Boyer 28, Kubek 29, Maris was just 30. Three starting pitchers were 26 or under, and they had a top flight bullpen. It seems more likely we’re seeing 65 again than 07.
Well Buddy B and Nick from SF would be proud of Ohlendorf.
Pollyanna flashback!
I wonder what happened to that poster. I used to love those posts.
This may sound crazy to the hordes of pessimists here, but Robinson Cano is not a .200 hitter.
This may sound impossible all the chicken littles here, but Jason Giambi is not a .192 hitter.
This may sound absolutely insane to some of the negative people here, but Wang and Pettitte are great pitchers.
A-Rod makes everyone in the lineup MUCH better.
Molina and Shelley are terrible offensive players.
Mussina has bee excellent.
The bullpen has been excellent.
Jeter and Matsui have been great.
Abreu has hit well.
Damon has shown flashes of great play.
Rasner has been a great surprise.
This team is going to score 950 runs this season. It may not seem like it now, but they will. They have the hitters for it and they have the pitching to win keep them in the games.
You guys are just upset that you spent your time watching a game on TV only to see your team lose. It’s going to be ok.
“Is it time to send down Ohlendorf?”
What upsets me is when we scapegoat the bench. The problem with the Yanks is that the [u]starters[/u] aren’t getting it done. We can DFA Ensberg, send down Ohlendorf & Duncan. But we’d still be in the same condition. The Yankees everyday, go-to guys aren’t getting it done.
NICE job Melky…!
Cano .252 oba .318 slugging
Juan Uribe .256 oba .328 slugging.
Cano has been about the worst starting 2b in baseball this year. Considering what he was expected to bring the team, he is much more the reason for the Yankees being where they are than Giambi. Defense just does not make up for it.
And SJ, in fairness to you, being negative about the results isn’t wrong. The results haven’t been good, and it isn’t due to bad luck but bad overall performance. But, shocking as it seems, Giambi, while not a bright spot, isn’t where the shortfall is compared to league average.
And Myrtlebeachfan, amen. The team will look far better with ARod. He has become the fulcrum of the team.
melky, passionlessly making leaping catches in 11-2 games
Chicago Dave – yes I meant tabula rasa!
That’s funny, maybe it was subliminal and yes I am a Christian.
That was one heckuva catch by Melky…gotta be positive about something…
Silver lining #2: the awesome weapon that is Joba kept things cool in the bullpen.
MoBoy, you are an all-time classic.
I really think things went in the toilet when Girardi took all the snacks and ice cream out of the clubhouse, and demanded it be taken out of the visiting clubhouse when the Yankees were on the road.
Get the junk food back! These guys need their junk food!
Is Shea Hildebrand still available?!
Like some others are saying I don’t think Arod and Posada’s return are going to spark this offense. Don’t get me wrong they will obviously help a lot but there still issues with some others in the lineup. When they both where in the lineup they still struggled to score runs. The issues with this team go a lot deeper then Arod and Posada being hurt.
CaptainsCorner- How is this not embarassing tonight? As Martin said how was it when Oli Perez tipped his hat at Yankee Stadium?
Sorry, Alex returning isn’t going to save the day. He wasn’t hitting well with RISP before he left anyway.
This team needs an energy shock. They are so apathetic, it’s crazy. Where’s their personal pride?
Nice catch by Melky.
Clemens will bang his fist!
This offense is not that good
giambi-sometimes hits one but almost an automatic out
cano- got some hits but now seen to be an automatic out again
damon- automatic out
AG- automatic out
Molina- automatic out
melky- not an automatic out but close to it
doesnt seem good!
““Can we finally put to rest all the silly talk about Wang being an ace?â€
Sure if having one bad game knocks a pitcher out of contention, go for it!”
And while you’re at it, take Beckett with you too, he also had a bad game today. And he wasn’t even 6-1 coming in as Wang was. Beckett is now at 4-4.
I can’t believe people are bringing up this ridiculous ace/not ace thing in a night like this. That is the last of what we need to be worried about as Yankee fans!
Ya know, sometimes words just have no wisdom.
Therefore, …
I question the use of the word passion in that the team is not playing with any. Here are the issues as I see it>
1. Best offensive player out for the past 3 weeks
2. Best offensive catcher in the game out for the past 3 weeks. Also he will get in peoples faces off the field
3. First baseman who can either hit a solo HR or nothing oh by the wayhe can barely play any first base
4, Second baseman a career 3oo hitter barely off the interstate (although nothing new for him)
5. SS – he is doing ok but he cant carry the team
6. 3rd base – see point 1 and your replacements cant hit anything and 1 of them is not even a 3rd baseman by trade
7. Catcher – see point 2 there is a reason Molina is best served as a backup he is good a couple of times a week but you play him too much you see his weaknesses and the backup Moller is even worse
8 – LF who is also your lead off hitter seems to be the streakiest player a good week then cant get on base to save his life and cant throw to second in any way shape or form forget about throwing someone out at home
9 – CF – so far for me the most improved player this year cant find much fault there
10 starting pitching if 2/5 of your starters are 0 for 10 I think you wont go far. Wang is Wang, Pettite needs to get past the 4th inning.
I wont even start about the relievers as I think overall they have been fairly good
Posada looks like he want to punch someone
Gayle, abreu came up with te ‘stros. He was great when he came to the phils. And I love your reasoning. To paraphrase he loves to draw walks, get on base, hit for average, score runs, blah blah, but let the other guys do the heavy lifting. What, the heavy lifting of hitting a sac fly or a grounder to score Bobby?
I don’t think putting a date on one’s fandom solves anything.
There is no way to spin positive what we have seen this week from this team. Losing 3 of 4 in Tampa and getting swept by a Mets team that was on the brink of mutiny is, frankly, ridiculous.
This is the time Girardi needs to jump in people’s faces.
There were times in the Torre Regime where he got nasty, foul and UGLY with his team. A memorable Tampa meeting in 2005 comes to mind.
Its one thing to lose. EVERYBODY loses in this game. To do it in such a passionless, sloppy and unprofessional way (since when did this team look to not work counts anymore?), that’s unacceptable.
Maybe its acceptable in markets where the fans and ownership aren’t as passionate about their teams as they are in NY. It won’t fly in NY and DEFINITELY won’t fly with the Steinbrenners.
At some point, guys on this team have to be pissed off enough to change their approach and play the game the way it should be played.
If they can’t or won’t, its time to blow it up and start over.
Losing can be very liberating. You decide who is worth keeping and the rest? Goodbye.
Ellen,
Honestly, I couldn’t predict what they will do if they play like this in another month.
The only thing I will say is, I highly doubt they will trade their future to save their present.
I just don’t see that happening.
They have waited for years for the decks to clear financially as it will after this season. Regardless of what happens this year, I don’t see them reversing course with that plan.
I could see them subtracting from the roster before adding more age and limited players. If they went in that direction, that would surprise me.
You all know what’s gonna happen when A-Rod comes back, don’t you.
He’s gonna have all the pressure to get the team going again on him and struggle mightily.
This mess is gonna get a whole lot uglier people. Might as well just accept it and sit back and wait for better days.
“I can’t believe people are bringing up this ridiculous ace/not ace thing in a night like this. That is the last of what we need to be worried about as Yankee fans!”
Truly I agree. I also think we have been inundated with pretend Yankee fans tonight, Dee. I guarantee you there were some trolls just trying to stir up doo doo.
“Like some others are saying I don’t think Arod and Posada’s return are going to spark this offense. Don’t get me wrong they will obviously help a lot but there still issues with some others in the lineup. When they both where in the lineup they still struggled to score runs. The issues with this team go a lot deeper then Arod and Posada being hurt.”
what is this of course they will do better
the team tries to hard i think
the lineup is not deep without posada and arod like yesterday you wont have ensberg pinch hitting
Myrtlebeachfan,
Absolutely! They will turn this season around!
If we can draw 13 more HBP, we win the game!
Yes, I sure miss the “Porkchop!” We desperately need his/her sense of humor around here again!!!
I know someone has probably said this, but since I just started watching I will say it…it’s pretty sad to see more Mets fans than Yankee fans at the stadium.
we lost to a mets team that stinks that tell you something
I was so hoping we wouldn’t have a lifeless 9th, not that I thought for a minute we were going to do a lot of scoring.
We’ve won 3 games in 2 weeks.
Think about that.
“I can’t believe Perez tipped his cap.”
There are a lot of Met fans there but I’ve seen that before when there are opposing fans in the other team home park walk off the mound to cheers. but usually the opposing pitcher is classy enough not to tip his cap unless he was at home.
YankeeJosh,
I agree he makes the team better but he alone cannot improve this team from its current state of mediocrity. Right now there many things non-baseball wrong with this team. There is no chemistry – the fire and competitiveness has been beaten to death – but moreso, I would venture to say there is no connection with their coach or coaches. The hitting coach may get credit for helping some but not everyone. The manager, while having to juggle lineups, has made rookie manager mistakes. He has not performed at the level you would expect coming off his year in Florida.
At the end of the day, the Yankees are paying for the in-fighting between NY and Tampa, Cashman’s poor signings, Steinbrenner’s poor signings, lack of scouting, lack of player development.
In effect, the Yankees organization has regressed from all the successes they had in the mid 90′s. That is just bad forward thinking. Sure teams cannot maintain success like that year after year after year but if they are planning correctly, they could have prevented such down years.
Boston is a fine example. Oakland while not winning a WS has remained competetive. Look at what the Braves have done.
This is just a bad organizational structure with under qualified people and now the we are seeing the effects.
>>
Nope, he’s no ace. Winning 19 and 19 in the last 2 years against the likes of KC, pre-2008 Tampa Bay and Baltimore and the Ladies Garden of Society of Topeka means SQUAT!
Aces do it when it counts, in Big Games and against the Big Boys.
Please, end the silly talk today, Wang is no ace.
Tuesday is a new game, new series… lets take 2 of 3 and get back on track.
Goodnight everyone
Come on Melky. Jack one.
“CaptainsCorner- How is this not embarassing tonight? As Martin said how was it when Oli Perez tipped his hat at Yankee Stadium?”
What is the difference between losing this game and the 23 and every other that they have lost this year? They have looked dreadful most of this season but I don’t think this loss is worse then any of the others…Just because it is the Mets.
somes gonna get fired
Wow they are a bad team right now. Still love ‘em and by no means giving up on the season, but they’re really hard to watch right now. Re Tex and CC: see Giambi, Jason. And re Boomer: just say no. Please. The solutions are to be found within the organization, especially when it comes to pitching. CashMoney is taking things in the right direction, and growing your own whenever possible is the way to go.
SJ44, no obviously last year has little bearing on this year. Granted, one of these years, the Yankees will not make the playoffs. And yes, I agree A Rod and Posada will not match last year’s production.
But let me ask you these questions:
1. Do you honestly think the Yankees won’t make moves to address the holes? I know they will.
2. Do you think that Cano, Abreu and Melky will come around? I am pretty sure they will.
3. Don’t you think the Yankees pitching is better than last year? The bullpen is good and promises to get better with the arms coming through the system. The starters are healthier. The Yankees used 14 starters last year. And the resurgence of Moose makes up for Andy, who I believe will come around too. Rasner is the real deal, so there is one hole in the rotation, I take my chances on McCutchen on Joba in the 2nd half.
So no I don’t believe that the Yankees will come back like last year because it has happenned before, I believe it because this team is better than last year and the soft schedule starting Tuesday will be the launching point.
But hey, I’ll admit it, I could be wrong. Do you ever admit you could be wrong?
HAM HANDS –
WANG IS AN ACE. DEAL WITH IT
The past three or four years the club has struggled out of the gate….However this season just seems to me to be different…..I remember 1965 quite well, as they dumped Yogi as their mgr. and brought in Keane to run the show….I’m not on board with that….This team is only 6 games out, and last year they were double figures by now…..Things turn around real soon….
Nick in SF-
After a loss like this I have nothing good to say sadly.Even with A-Rod it might not be good.
Miller just called Yankee Stadium “Shea Stadium North.” If that doesn’t nauseate you, you’ve got one on me.
This team is absolutely unwatchable at this point
got that out of the way…surely the only way to go now is up…they can do it!
Wow. Ugly.
I hope that Girardi does more than sits with a lot of equilibrium in his postgame press conference. How many times can he say he knows the team is trying…
CaptainsCorner- It was national television with our ace on the mound with our cross town rival coming in losing 3 of 4 to the last place Nats.
“”KarenJ
I really think things went in the toilet when Girardi took all the snacks and ice cream out of the clubhouse, and demanded it be taken out of the visiting clubhouse when the Yankees were on the road.
Get the junk food back! These guys need their junk food!”"
I totally agree with you!!!
They need some energy from those food, the source of passion~
Well the fat lady has sung, so I’m out. Enjoy what’s left of your evening.
Things will get better…they have to!
“Nope, he’s no ace. Winning 19 and 19 in the last 2 years against the likes of KC, pre-2008 Tampa Bay and Baltimore and the Ladies Garden of Society of Topeka means SQUAT!
Aces do it when it counts, in Big Games and against the Big Boys.
Please, end the silly talk today, Wang is no ace.”
you forgot the 9 inning game aginst the redsox?
he won 6 games with this yankee offense thats not good?
beckett gave up 7 runs today hes not ace?
you dont know baseball please keep ur mouth shut
Myrtlebeachfan,
Jeter has not been great. Jeter has hit exactly two home runs and stolen one base this year. He’s walked six times all season. And he’s not a good fielder.
Pettite is not a great pitcher. He’s 3-5 with a 4.42 ERA, and he’s 36 years old.
Cano’s problem isn’t his batting average, it’s his abysmal OBP and complete lack of power.
Giambi actually isn’t much more than a .200 hitter. He has only topped .253 once since 2002.
If A-Rod makes everyone in the lineup so much better, how come A-Rod has never been in a World Series? I don’t understand how A-Rod can make anyone hitting below him in the lineup a better hitter, either.
SJ, it’s not the losing alone that bothers me, it’s how they’re losing. The offense looks dead, and there’s no reason for that. If they were playing crisply but just being out-gunned, I could live with it.
I don’t think this team is done yet. No one has totally pulled away in the AL East yet, and there is more talent here than they are playing up to. However, it’d be nice to right the ship and not dig a huge deficit again.
I think Bob is right. God, it’s scary to think how much worse it can get.
We will win a game again..hopefully soon….
But darn it…this is painful.
This team is just…yuck
“we lost to a mets team that stinks.” No, to a .500 Mets team that should have abetter record. It is stupid to dwell on 2 losses to the Mutts and think THAT is the ultimate indictment. It happens. Losing 2 games to ANYONE means zilch. Being several games under .500 a quarter into the season means more, but even that is not irreversible, witness last few seasons. And, by the way, this isn’t ’65. There was still a reserve clause back then.
hate joe morgan and his anti yankees rants
FK -
I think that our Ham Hock and Flynn or whatever the name was are Sux or Mets trolls. I don’t believe they are Yanks fans because I haven’t seen either around before.
If someone else has then I will say that I am mistaken.
The Yankees are playing horrifically, but how can you make the jump that they haven’t been competitive? They haven’t won the World Series, but they have been in the playoffs, is it 14 consecutive years? They won the division most of those times. No need to exaggerate the situation here.
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Who cares if Perez tips his cap? Sheesh.
Stop the Wang/Ace talk.
It’s completely irrelevant to what is going on with this team right now.
Even if you don’t consider him one, real aces have bad days.
At this point it does not matter at all who the Yanks have on the mound. The team CANNOT score runs. That’s the problem. That and that alone.
Blaming Wang for “not being an ace” is just misdirecting your anger at the wrong person.
Maybe we can get Willie to have a ‘closed door’ meeting with the Yanks?!
So..
Message from Hank tomorrow?
i don’t see the 1965 comparison in that Mantle’s knees were shot and Maris had some sort of career-shortening injury from a previous season – something he exacerbated by playing when he should’ve sat.
Kubek had a career-ending back injury too. Bouton’s arm fried.
and – according to Jim Bouton’s book anyway, the new manager, Keane, didn’t let these guys recover from injuries but pressured them to play.
i don’t see that here. Giambi’s the only guy here with a bad health history. of course Posada’s a concern now, but he’s been such a horse.
maybe if he A-Rod play defense at 3B, 1B, LF, and RF while simultaneously taking 4 of the 5 spots in the starting rotation and all the lineup spots of everyday players who hit under .260 (5 out of 9 of them), he can steer this team toward a winning direction single-handedly
Wow, a -25 run differential.
Tonight’s loss was so frustrating because Perez is not a good pitcher. There is no excuse for not hitting him. This to me, is really rock bottom.
if I’m Kevin Long watchout… and it’s not his fault but usually there is some fallout that is to be expected.
Excuse me – I mis-typed. I meant to say that RECENTLY they have not won the WS. Tell me what team has done better over the same period of time?
And I said before, and I’ll say again, as dominant as the Yankees have been over the course of their long history, they have not, and no team can, been dominant all the time.
Fran, he’s a lefty. That’s all you need to be right now against the Yanks.
Someone mentioned we need some kind of defining moment, something to rally around. A brawl. Girardi screaming at the team. Something. Mariano Rivera trashing Jason Giambi and Melky Cabrera for never talking to the press! Then a clubhouse catharsis. SOMETHING!
Bryan”
“Jeter has not been great. Jeter has hit exactly two home runs and stolen one base this year. He’s walked six times all season. And he’s not a good fielder.
Pettite is not a great pitcher. He’s 3-5 with a 4.42 ERA, and he’s 36 years old.
Cano’s problem isn’t his batting average, it’s his abysmal OBP and complete lack of power.
Giambi actually isn’t much more than a .200 hitter. He has only topped .253 once since 2002.
If A-Rod makes everyone in the lineup so much better, how come A-Rod has never been in a World Series? I don’t understand how A-Rod can make anyone hitting below him in the lineup a better hitter, either.”
I’m sorry to say this, and don’t mean to be rude, but everything you wrote right there is a load of crap.
A complete load of crap.
Jeter HAS been great – coming through when we need him. He’s the guy that’s producing and he only has 4 errors out there at shortstop, which is very acceptable at this point in the season.
He hasn’t walked much but he will – he always does.
perhaps you don’t realize but there is a huge difference between .192 and .253.
A-Rod hasn’t made it to the world series b/c he played on the MARINERS and the RANGERS when they were poor teams at best. He’s led the Yanks to the playoffs each year since he’s been here.
Like I said, all of it is a load of crap.
Right now I’d settle for the right side foul pole Squirrel to show up. especially if he can play 1st and wield a hot bat.
A rough, quick adding up tells me that including tonight, the Yankees have scored 60 runs in 16 games in the world without A-Rod & Posada (after April 28th), for 3.75 runs a game. With an offense like that, even the Rays would have trouble winning (their staff era is right now at 3.68, 3rd in the AL).
Thanks to that kind of sub-par run generation, as of before this game, we’re 12th out of 14 AL teams in runs scored (177 runs after 43 games…tonight makes that 179 runs after 44 games, or 4.07 runs a game…INCLUDING the one game in which we scored 15). The Orioles with their staff era at 4.06, 6th in the AL, would have trouble with that.
No one is getting fired.
They aren’t gonna say it publicly, but you could hear it in what Hank said last week. They were prepared for and probably expecting this to happen. They’ll just let the season unfold and see what happens I think. This is a washout year at World Series contender prices unfortunately.
Bob – So I guess that now the Yanks can’t even beat bad lefties.
WHAT A gem tonight.. usual yankee game; sound defense, clutch hitting, and the ability to have tough AB’s and manufacture runs…
addition by subtraction is not a bad thing Sj.. If they add any old crap I will be pissed and we will regret it.. they can get better by making smll moves, getting healthy, and or bringing up some young guys and giving them the chance..
they gave cano and wang a few yrs ago, remember how bad things were going they were palying tampa..worked out OK..
Cano has been horrific this yr. that is undeniable..
looks like ensberg si going bye bye, they only pinc hit him with arod coming back..they need to get more ATHLETIC…
2 games against the mets all there runs were on HR’s.
THIS TEAM IS VERY CLUTCH(OK I WAS JOKING).
PEOPLE it is a long season………
looking this bad makes you mad and may be liberating…
61 home games till giambi, kyle, abreu, pavano,moose, and latroy are gone.. ANyone else contract expire at the end of the year????
man they stink so far…
Jeff, to answer your questions:
1. No I don’t think they will move away from their organizational plan. I don’t think they will “save” this team by packaging younger players for older players to help carry the guys who aren’t playing well.
I believe every high ceiling prospect they have (or in their opinion are high ceiling guys) will not be dealt this year. Not unless they get a deal that helps them for years to come.
I actually think the opposite could occur. If they can’t get it going, I could see them dealing for younger players they believe they can build around.
They have waited for 4 years to have the financial flexibility they will have this off-season. Whether its Cashman or another GM, neither Hank nor Hal will blow up their internal plan for this season. They are that committed to doing things differently.
2. Depends on what you mean by “come around”. I think they will play better than they are playing right now. I don’t think any one of those guys will carry the team for periods of time. Something, at least in Cano’s and Abreu’s cases, they may have to do this year.
3. As long as their starting pitching is consisting of 2 wins total from the #4 and #5 spots in the rotation, no its not better than last year.
Wang is fine. Moose has surprised so far. Pettitte has not pitched well for a month and the #4 and #5 spots in the rotation are highly questionable.
Its pretty tough to say Rasner is the “real deal” based on 2 starts. The team doesn’t feel that way about him or they wouldn’t have skipped him for this series.
McCutchen isn’t ready to have any role on this team as of yet. I doubt he will have an impact in the starting rotation this year. If he has any role, it will come out of the bullpen. Not in the rotation.
Their best bets in terms of pitching help down below come from the bullpen guys. Cox, Melancon and Robertson. Until we see them in the majors, its a little too early to guarantee their success. Haven’t we learned that from watching Hughes and Kennedy so far this year?
I am wrong plenty of times and I have no problems admitting it. I have already admitted many times I was wrong about Moose turning around.
But, in over 30 years in the the sports business, I trust me eyes more than gut feelings.
This is a very bad team, possessing all of the traits losing teams possess. Mainly, a roster top heavy with underproductive players and they seem to find new ways to lose every night.
I’d LOVE to see them turn it around.
I just don’t think its going to happen because it happened last year. Its going to take more than that, IMO.
I have also said many times, I LOVE the future of this organization. I like it more than the present.
But, as we have seen this year, you can’t rush the future. Guys still need developmental time.
Its going to be up the guys in the present to turn it around. I just don’t know if they have in them to do it again this year.
Time will tell.
As I wrote before, Arod can’t and won’t be a cure for everything that’s ailing the Yanks right now. But’s a very valuable player — some say the most valuable player. Having him back will help.
May 20th — the new Yankee optimism. Catch it!
Right now Jeter is ranked 6th out of 13 qualified Al shortstops by “Hardball Times”. His fielding hasn’t been an issue this year.
somebody give me a lockerroom report, if it’s nothing new keep it to yourself
“The Yankees aren’t playing with much passion and really haven’t all season except for a game here or there.”
Pete’s right about that. When Detroit looked like they were sleepwalking through the motions Leyland called them out both in the press and in the clubhouse. And they started winning.
I wonder if Joe G. feels he has the “authority” to do that, despite having the title of manager.
Put it this way Fran. The Yanks are probably afraid of releasing Igawa becuase someone would pick him up just to face them.
SJ – Who do the Yanks have to play first base if not Giambi. I know that Duncan is not the answer. You know the minor league system well. Is there someone there ready or almost ready?
(given how the majority of my posts lately consist of bashing the offense, it may seem one way, but I’m still optimistic about the rest of the season for the team. I’m just letting the frustration getting to me. Anyway, A-Rod, show me the light!)
FK – You shouldn’t question someone else’s knowledge of BB when your lack of knowledge is so colossal. Beckett was charged with 6 runs today (not 7), but he left the game with a lead, giving his team a chance to win.
I’m a die-hard Yankee fan since 1966, but I’d rather have Beckett on the mound pitching a huge game than Wang. Wang is no ace. And Trisha – Yelling it does not make it so.
“Do you honestly think the Yankees won’t make moves to address the holes?”
They’ve been addressing the holes for the past ten years. But it depends on the strategy. Will they go to the farm system or will they overpay veterans?
Bob,
Agree 100% with your post re: Hank’s comments.
Josh,
I agree. If you are going to lose, you gotta play a little tougher than we have seen this week. They played VERY soft baseball this week, IMO.
This is the first week I noticed the “woe is me” body language on the team. I don’t like that. Every team has injuries. Deal with it.
Yes, the injuries have hurt a lot. But, its not like the team is void of talent.
I don’t know, maybe my read on the situation is incorrect. They just seem to be amiss. Its doesn’t feel (for lack of a better word) as if this is a very good team.
Too many unsure and inconsistent parts and nothing seems to be coming easy for this group so far this year.
Who knows, maybe Arod comes back, they win 15 of 20, and everybody will call me a troll.
But, I look at this team and I think the quicker they can rid themselves of some guys, the faster they can rebuild the club.
I don’t think Arod and/or Posada alone can save this team. Its going to take more than just those two guys to turn it around.
JMHO.
Ok SJ, like last year, we’ll agree to disagree.
One point to rebut though, there comes a point when you do need to trade some youth to help the current team. When I look at all the talented arms in the minors, it is impossible to think that all will contribute. There are not enough major league spots. Young pitching is now a strength of the team and Cash knows there comes a point that some pitchin could get moved.
Anyway, we’ll see what happens, but I’m still confident that the Yankees will turn it around starting Tuesday. Agree to disagree it is.
Golly – the next “Joe Girardi Show” on YES should be doozy…
Joe will do interview with Michael “Rhona Barret” Kay with a bottle of Jack Daniels in one hand and a cigarette in the other…
“if I’m Kevin Long watchout… and it’s not his fault but usually there is some fallout that is to be expected.”
Unfortunately he’ll probably take the hit, but how do we explain the run production last year?
I’m happy Alex is coming back Tues, but I am also worried about certain fools(by fools I mean ignorant fans and dumb talking heads) getting on him if he isn’t “Mr. MVP” immediately starting Tues…
Even though this lineup is missing him, I don’t think his return is gonna end all our problems.
I guess we will see
Let’s go Yankees. Hopefully no more crap.
Brandon Susan W just saiod on her postgame locker room report there is not a Yankee to be found other thanGirardi not sure exactly what that means if the locker room is closed, if they are all hangingout at he showers or whatexactly but doesnt sound good
In the post-game Suzyn said there was not a Yankee player to be seen. No one wanted to talk to the press. Girardi did say he never thought the team would have this kind of a record based on what he saw in spring training. He said it all begins with Tuesday and that he has to find a way to win.
the yanks really have no GOOD position player guys in the minors.. gardner is a prospect but far from a cannot miss porspect.
first base in the minors looks like the big club, no cpmplete player. some hitters who cannot field ad have hit fairly well in the minors but far from sure things….
SJ Arod will help a ton even if he is a 280 36 105 type player the rest of the yr… the remove AG for that…that is good for .5 a run a game………
I do not think things are s bleak as people think.
tuesday the lineup is ; damon, jeter, abreu, arod, matsui, giambi, cano, cabrera, and molina in no order…THAT SHOULD BE AS A GOOD AS LINEUP AS ANYONE IN BASEBALL… I believe that.. you have a 2b and 1b playing bottom 5 per position in all of baseball so far this yr… Cano made the allstar game last yr.. he needs someone to get in his face…Giambi made be shot but s others have said in a good lineup he gets on base at over 360%…..
GOOD NEWS, no yankee game Monday…..
Suzyn said that Girardi is the only one in the club house answering questions. All of the players are either gone can not be found. The Yanks should make these over paid bums talk to the media and answer the questions of why they stink. Figures they take there money and run to the off day. Let Damon answer why he is all or nothing, Giambi why he is totally useless, Abreu can’t make contact when they are giving you the run.
“Beckett was charged with 6 runs today (not 7), but he left the game with a lead, giving his team a chance to win.”
It helps a lot when the pitcher’s team scores 11 for him.
Or are you suggesting that if Boston scored say..just 2, then Beckett would never have given up the 4 HR’s he did today?
Overall, it was a bad weekend for aces. 4 runs to Santana against a horrendous offense, 5 charged to Lee (though 6 scored), 6 to Beckett, and 7 to Wang (thanks defense, thaaaannkksss).
Gayle –
They fired the whole team?! (kidding, of course)
Trisha,
That was true (re: Leyland) for a week.
After that, they reverted back to their losing ways.
In fact, Buster Olney just came from spending several days around the Tigers.
He had one word to describe their team. Joyless.
He said, watching them take BP, they had the look of the most joyless team in baseball. He said it was painful to watch.
Leyland was right to jump on his team. But, at some point, the team has to take it upon themselves to right the ship.
Only so much a manager can do.
Gayle – I just poted that too. I think she meant they were avoiding the press. She said that the press will wait them out and that they had to come out sometime.
So no one is around? After that pitiful performance, they better show their faces.
Please let me know what happens during the postgame. I don’t have any AM signal where I live.
As bad as this team looks in genearl, they’ve looked so much worse against lefthanded pitchers. Obviously, part of that comes from losing A-Rod and Posada. However, the Yankee lefties used to battle much better against lefty starters. I started noticing last year that the at bats took a step back. It’s definitely a concern.
“but I am also worried about certain fools(by fools I mean ignorant fans and dumb talking heads) getting on him if he isn’t “Mr. MVP†immediately starting Tues…”
That’s exactly what’s going to happen
“Suzyn said that Girardi is the only one in the club house answering questions.”
Got to wonder if the players respect Girardi enough?
COME BACK BOB SHEPHERD WE NEED YOUR VOICE AND YOUR LUCK!!!
“In the post-game Suzyn said there was not a Yankee player to be seen.”
Maybe they expect Billy Wagner to speak for them?
Girardi isnot in the clubhouse he does his potgames in the auxilliary clubhouse so he has noting to do with being in the clubhouse after this game
why do people spend endless time arguing over if Wang is an ace or if Jeter is a good fielder???
Wang is a good pitcher obviously, he won 19 games 2 yrs in a row and is 6 and 2 this yr. He is a piece to the puzzle. Jeter obviously is going no where, he is one of the better SS in the game and a HOF player again can he get on base more and hit with more power ??absolutely but neither guy is the problem.. they have 25 guys on the team. the only guys pulling there weight or playing at least to a c grade are; jeter, melky, wang, moose, mariano, joba, edwar(minimal action but he has done well), matsui, and that is about it.. abreu looks OK on paper but really look into his performance it has been bad, cano, giambi, molina(203, that is unnaceptable period), pettitte(high 4′s ERA), all these guys have not performed..
Blame Kevin Long, hell blame dave eiland also, again the guys have not performed…they are the WORSE IN THE AL with RISP.. That is BAD………..
I think I’ve found a picture of SJ44:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports.....N.htm#list
Just kidding, SJ. This is a story that may interest you since you probably cross paths with some of these “old birds”. It’s sad that with the billions of dollars in the coffers of MLB, more of it can’t find it’s way to these guys.
Game 44 done already…wow. Doesn’t even feel like it. Something’s wrong, a lot of things are wrong. But can they really make a hot strech from June all the way to September again?! Hope so. Really hope so.
WHOA WHOA WHOA !!! WTF DO YOU MEAN THEY AREN’T SHOWING THIER FACES, I HAD TO WATCH THAT CRAP FOR 3 – 4 HRS, YOU DAMN WELL BETTER SHOW YOUR FACES, THIS AIN’T SHEA STADIUM !!
I thought it couldn’t get any worse. A standing ovation for a mediocre Mets pitcher at Yankee Stadium, ouch! Would it be too much to give Duncan a chance. I know he hasn’t hit, but who has.
Time for me to vent.
1) It seems every team in the majors except the Yankees has figured out that they can’t hit lefties. Please tell me there is not a SINGLE right handed bat out there who owns lefties. Why must Yankee fans feel like it’s going to be a no-hitter when they face lefties? This team is pathetic in this sense.
2) How in the heck do you lose 11-2 to the gayest franchise in sports? Jose Reyes……. enough said.
3) Posada is 100% correct. A-Rod coming back alone is not going to help this team. Where is the speed, where is the patience? Yankees have become predictable. Keep telling yourself it doesn’t look like the Yankees aren’t playing with passion only because they are losing. If I was on the Yankees, I would be kicking coolers over right now like Paul O’Neil.
4) Obviously, this team is falling into a hole… quickly. We just lost with Wang and Pettitte – now get ready for Moose, Rasner, and an unknown. The Yankees are 6 games out and falling further.
5) The Yankees are lucky they are playing a few very crappy teams coming up. However, look for them to get beat bad by the Orioles. Any team with speed, lefty pitching, and youth will murder the Yankees right now. CALL UP SOME MINOR LEAGUERS AND GIVE THEM A SHOT. Jesus… Gardner, please come.
Why were ther 5 lefthanded bats in yankee lineup against a lefty? How do the Yankees only manage three hits? Was that Oliver Perez or Sandy Koufax? Who walks Carlos Delgado intentionally? The Yankees do. That was the deepest Oliver Perez has ever gotten into a game this year.
11-2 which should have been 13-2. I hope and pray this is rock bottom and this is where we start to come out of it.
This team is a joke right now. I don’t understand how Cashman put this together and thought he built a winner for the season. Most of us who weren’t wearing rosed colored glasses called this during the off season.
I’m not even mad at Wang. He’s been brilliant, BRILLIANT, so far this season and he’s allowed to have an off night.
This collection of stiffs they are putting out in the field is the problem.
It’s last season revisited, except I don’t think we have the horses right now to make the sprint again.
It’s not like Joba is coming in to rescue this awful lot. He’s already here. Unless you think putting him in the rotation is the cure all to this pathetic abysmal display of offense.
Cano is a dog. I don’t care if he hits .330 at the end of the year. It’s mid May and he’s playing like a AA player who just saw major league pitching for the first time.
And it’s all because of the money. He’s lost his hunger. How Cashman thought this guy was built of the same character as Jeter who didn’t care about the money and just wanted to win is one of the worst decisions he’s made as GM.
I can’t stand Cano and his apologists can stuff it. How do you apologize for a player with his ability and talent forgetting how to hit for this long again?
Ortiz started in similar slump and he came out of it. Robinson was a guy the team talked about like an All Star. If he gets enough votes to be an All Star this year, he should decline and let Pedroia go in his place.
Between Cano, Giambi, the rotting carcass of Damon and the now you see me now you don’t RF’er we currently have, this team is so hard to watch and root for.
It’s not because they are battling and losing close games. I could respect that. What’s got me infuriated is they are playing like a bunch of limp losers.
The body language is all wrong.
Cashman has enough evidence to make moves now. He has to. He has to TRY something different. Whether it be a kid in AAA or a veteran somewhere who hasn’t won a ring and might really want to.
I am sick and tired of the Cano excuses though. He’s awful. I know he’ll get better. I know he’ll put up ridiculous 2nd half numbers. But this piss poor act of his puts this team in a hole for the second season in a row.
If he was capable of any kind of offense, we might have won 4 or 5 more games.
And Giambi in the field is just sad. Great job Cash. You really knocked it out of the park this off season.
I hope Arod hits 10 homers this week. Maybe someone will do him the favor of actually getting on base for one of them. Perish the thought.
“Leyland was right to jump on his team. But, at some point, the team has to take it upon themselves to right the ship.
Only so much a manager can do.”
Agree on all points. I’d like to see Girardi at least take that first step.
“Beckett was charged with 6 runs today (not 7), but he left the game with a lead, giving his team a chance to win.â€
unh~that’s joke me.when bosox’s starting pitcher get in troble,their guys can give more run support for pitcher.
what is yankees’ do?nothing.3H,2Run,1E.it is the worst hitter in ML ever.im very disappionted.
it’s time to fire Joe Girardi.
great post agian G Love -its a Cashmans feet. He thought Giambi would be ok. He thought Farnsworth was ok. He thought Hughes and Kennedy were 12-15 game winners. I dont think Damon and Cano are thatbig of a problem. Cano will come out of it. Its the pitching. They get behind so quick, (petittie). They made no moves last winter. They barely got into the playoffs with that same roster last year, and every team in AL east added something except the Yankees. Cashman talks a big game about youth but his “youth” stinks too. The AAA team has nothing either
“And Giambi in the field is just sad. Great job Cash. You really knocked it out of the park this off season.”
Just too much money locked up in Giambi. This season is looking like a bust. Watch next season when Giambi is gone. Guarantee either Damon or Matsui is traded this off-season. We can’t afford having no righties in the lineup.
I’m really hoping that this is rock bottom for the Yankees and that starting on Tuesday they will all magically get their butts in gear and go on a tear…
Yeah…not too sure my dreams will come true.
I still can’t believe there was no one around after the game. Very disappointing.
oh,
and Girardi should stop with the Larussa imitation of tryingto reinvent the wheel. He makes a ton of stupid moves like hes trying to impress someone. How he starts a 173 lefty hitter(Giambi) agianst a lefty tonight is a joke. He obviously dislikes Duncan, but Duncan can certainly do at least what Giambi is doing and Duncan at least will hustle
yanks need a brawl to light a fire under them (a la 2004 red sox)
matsui??
I`ll take him any day of the week. At least he hits in the clutch. Him and Jeter are the only two clutch hitters the Yankees have. Posada is next and thats it.
Well I see some brilliant strategy being employed by the Yankee players. None of them stays around to talk to the press and it makes them all look bad. Girardi gets them together and calls them down for disappearing. They have a kumbaya bonding moment and voila! A new and improved winning team, a la the Mets!
Giambi is on the field because of the Damon/Matsui tandem, and it’s not like we have some awesome first basemen who’s sitting for Giambi to play. And it’s not like we have all these great right handed hitters who should have been out there tonight either.
Who knows, maybe Girardi should’ve gambled on Shelley Duncan again and played him tonight. No particular reason to think so, however.
And SJ44, if the Yanks do somehow turn it around and go on a 15 of 20 tear, I don’t think anyone who’s both reasonable and intelligent would jump on you. Others would.
I just read Chad Jennings AAA blog.
Gardner, Justin Christian and Jason Lane all hit homers.
Bring them all up at this point.
I’d rather lose with those guys than watch what we have. I’m not kidding.
If we’re really rebuilding this year, then let’s rebuild and lose this pretense that we have quality capable veterans still playing every day.
“He obviously dislikes Duncan”
Whether Girardi likes him or not, this is about utilizing Giambi’s salary. The Yanks are not going to sit $22M on the bench.
yankee lover each team in the AL added something reallly.. WHo did Boston add? Sean Casey, who??/ Toronto who did they add? Marco scutoro?
tampa added”/ Percival, longoria, hinske???
Name these big additons in the AL east yankee lover??????
People want to blame someone, blame Cahsman…
I GOT AN IDEA BLAME THOSE WHO ARE PLAYING LIKE CRAP;; HOW ABOUT DAMON, STEROID BOY, CANO, PETTITTE, AND OTHERS.
Call me a fool I have no problem with Cashmans moves or lack of them thank god they ae lowering the payroll getting rid of this crap……He signed 1 guy in the offseason which I was against and that was Latroy Hawkins for 1 yr and $3.5 mill..
There is one positive if the Yankees keep playing like this, they will get a good draft pick.
I read SJ’s comment about the Tigers, and the manager can only do so much. What if the problem IS the manager? What if the “chemistry”, which starts at the top, is just no good?
Leaders lead.
This Yankee team is pathetic.
I though I would really like Girardi and was happy for a change. But some of his moves are really tought to understand. Why does he go to Ohelendorf as the first man out of the pen tonight? Why does CMW even start the 7th, with 94 pitches already under his belt? And lets face it, not a quality 94 pitches. Why does he fill out a lineup card with 5 of the first 6 hitters lefties against a lefty Oliver Perez? Why not give Shelly a shot a first?? Seems like the perfect time?? I was psyched about Girardi, but so far he has shown himself to be even worse than Torre.
:snort: I don’t know what’s worse, the slump this team is in, or the overreaction from it’s ‘fans’.
Yeah, Mark. It makes a lot of sense to keep playing someone who can’t field or hit well because he is signed to a way over priced contract. I can see the Yankees sticking with Giambi to help lose more games. Even though not making the post season means an even bigger loss of revinue.
This team looks flat. Guess what? It’s losing. EVERY SINGLE LOSING TEAM LOOKS FLAT. EVERY SINGLE WINNING TEAM LOOKS ‘ENERGETIC’.
‘Chemistry’ and ‘fire’ come out of winning, not vice versa. Do you people -really- believe these guys aren’t trying?
daaaa yankees suck daaaa yankees suck!
Girardi on the DL, I hate the fact that Giambi is starting. But that’s just the reality. But as I said way earlier on this site, Giambi is just one of the many problems on this team. In fact, Giambi may not even be as big an issue if we had pitchers that can get past the freakin’ fourth inning for pete sake!
I don’t know what’s worse, the way the team is playing or the under reaction of some of it’s “fans” who think all is well and peachy right now.
I HAVE finally seen it all. read Brians Post a couple above..
that is it.. HE canoot be Girardi may be worse then Torre!!!!!!
Yeah torre was terrible 4 titles and 12 trips to the playoffs, you are not clueless or spoiled.. why did torre not win 8 titles? I was just thinking that myself..
I was for the torre moving on, time for a change, and I know girardi knows what he is doing but the stupidity on this site again new levels.
after all a astute poster up a few is complaining about bringing Ohlendorf in when he did, what was the right move? mariano???
all you need to know is many posters on this site think torre was a failure…
oh crap positive thinking sweet Rebecca must pissed tonight, she actually went to the game, it was her graduation gift
G Love: It’s all sunshine and lollipops, haven’t you heard?
Yup,this is at Cashman’s feet for sure. Really, going back say 5 years now, what move has he made that has worked out?? I would say signing and re-signing Arod was good (the team looks pathetic without him). But other than that, Cashman’s moves have been horrendous. Kevin Brown, Pavano, Jeff Weaver, Giambi, Farnsworth, etc, etc. The list just goes on and on. Oh yeah, and Igawa.
I agree with his current plan to lower payroll and emphasize player development and the minor league system, but really was this a PLAN or just a (rather delayed) reaction to his just getting his brains beat in for years signing worthless veterans and made necessary by his alresdy overly bloated payroll?
Hey, maybe it’s Joe Torre’s fault. Isn’t it time the Yankees fired him? The team is 20-24 and has won a World Series since 2000.
Not to worry, Randy Levine, Brian Cashman and his little toadies at no-maas will find reason to blame him from 3,000 miles across the continent.
to stuart
Well, Scott Rolen was added to the Blue Jays, and the Red Sox added Aardsma a solid reliever and Sean Casey, who I bet you would take over the Yankees current firstbaseman.
Bottom line is Cashman has never been good with pitching, his in the minors or FA`s. He was willing to let AROD walk he shouldve cut Giambi or traded him. He still has Pavano, whohe could have traded a few injuries ago, he could have traded Farnsworth, he couldhave traded Iagawa.
“I don’t know what’s worse, the way the team is playing or the under reaction of some of it’s “fans†who think all is well and peachy right now.”
Did I say I think everything’s ‘well and peachy’?
The need to find a scapegoat for this team’s struggles is amusing. Do you think this team would be better if Girardi were fired? Do you think if Eiland were replaced, every Yankees pitcher would be pitching perfectly? If Long were replaced, every hitter would all of a sudden start hitting?
If you were Cashman, what would you have done differently in the offseason? Realistically (not ‘dream trades’ where the Yankees traded their garbage away)?
This team is old, and this totally had the makings of a transition year, with a lot of the old, bloated contracts off the books after the year (Giambi, I’m looking at you). There are -VERY- few cases where young pitchers are brought into the majors seamlessly.
:shrug: I find it difficult to overreact. I don’t expect a World Series win every friggin year like some spoiled ‘fans’.
The players are hiding in the shower? LOL too funny. We have become the Mets now?
Hard to see us righting the ship against Baltimore with Mussina-Rasner-Kennedy.
Cashman, IMO, totally overestimated the ability of the team and is now paying for it. He thought the young pitchers would be devoid of any growing pains or injury and didn’t even consider the fact that our starting lineup is the oldest in baseball and could lose it at any minute. Without Arod having one of the best seasons in baseball history and our catcher hitting 61 points higher than his career average, we would not have been in the playoffs last yr. Now we are a year older and slower with worse pitching. Our only saving grace is that other than Tampa, nobody else has jumped out for the WC.
The team just got old, fast.
The absolutely WORST thing is the condescension of G Love.
Oh, I forgot the Yankees fired him already. Must be the vestiges of his management of the team from last year responsible for the current team’s ills.
Can’t wait to see how they pin this fiasco on Torre.
I said it before, Cano is probably on his way to having a bad season. He’s only in his fourth year but he has yet to have a bad season at least by his standards. Which ever that is because he’s been very good all three seasons in the big leagues so we don’t know what’s a bad season for him.
Combine Cano potentially bad season with Giambi and Damon who with each passing game look like their best years are behind them. Throw in the fact Arod and Posada aren’t going to have as good as years as they had last year. And Abreu and Matsui are having decent years more so Matsui but nothing spectacular.
You have your self a shaky offense for probably the remainder of the year.
Stuart, there are other guys in the pen besides Mo. It was still somewhat of a game in the 7th. Why bring in Ohlendorf and his 6.00 era? What is the fascination with Ohlendorf?? There are better options (anyone else really), especially with an off day tomorrow. Why not even Veras in the 7th?? He has shown himself to be miles better than Ohlendorf, wouldn’t you say?
I dont expect a world series either but I expect a pennant race with the amount of money the team has available to sign players, do scouting, and develop talent
“Can’t wait to see how they pin this fiasco on Torre.”
he left his Green Tea in the dugout
“Yup,this is at Cashman’s feet for sure. Really, going back say 5 years now, what move has he made that has worked out?? I would say signing and re-signing Arod was good (the team looks pathetic without him). But other than that, Cashman’s moves have been horrendous. Kevin Brown, Pavano, Jeff Weaver, Giambi, Farnsworth, etc, etc. The list just goes on and on. Oh yeah, and Igawa.
I agree with his current plan to lower payroll and emphasize player development and the minor league system, but really was this a PLAN or just a (rather delayed) reaction to his just getting his brains beat in for years signing worthless veterans and made necessary by his alresdy overly bloated payroll?”
The fact that you included Giambi in Cashman’s failings speaks volumes. Also the fact that you count his failings and ignore his successes.
Cashman has had total GM control for three years now. Before that, he was bound to do what George wanted him to do. George signed Giambi (and bid against himself, giving Giambi more years and more money than it would have taken had Cashman dealt with him). George signed Sheffield instead of Vladimir Guerrero. George demanded Cashman get Johnson (costing the Yankees Vazquez in the meantime, who’s had several good years since).
trisha, did you work hard to get this stupid or did it just come naturally.
Brian so now you are upset at Cashman for not continuing the insanity!!!!!
I thought that would be a good thing but in your world it isn’t.. then again in your world Torre was a failure……
brian how was the move this offseason in getting a first round pick by getting rid of vizciano? how was that heffield move last yr.? how about getting rid of the big unit for 4 guys? you want more moves how about clippard for abdelajano(however you spell it), how about getting Rasner for nothing? you want more moves???
how about not signing zito, trading for santana, giving up the farm for miguel cabrera, getting joba with a sandwich pick 3 yrs ago. how about getting molina for a AA pitcher who I forget his name….
see you have no clue…how about abreu(whom I do hate) for cj henry and 5 other pieces of crap.. are those enough good moves for you or you want to talk about signing sheff over Vlad(that was Hanks dad george who did that) you know the dad og the guy who thinks baseball is played like football.
By the end of June The Yanks will have risen from the depths of despair much as they have the past 4 years….Altough they’ve just passed the 1/4 pole of the season and it’s been a struggle, they are only 6 back….. A 15-5 run is long overdue….Winning breeds confidence and a swagger that has been missing this season…..
The pen outside of Mo and Joba is weak by AL standards. They obviously dont like Hawkins (another great Cashman signing) Veras and Olandorf are not ready (what a surprise like Hughes and KEnnedy) and Farnsworth? should have been gone 2 years ago
“Cashman, IMO,