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“The process has started”

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 21, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

If you were paying attention, you knew something was up when the Yankees promoted J.B. Cox to Scranton and Mark Melancon to Trenton last week.

Now it has been confirmed, Joba Chamberlain has started the process to become a starter according to Joe Girardi.

In truth, it started in spring training when Chamberlain was used as a starter. They kept him in the bullpen this long to control his innings. Chamberlain will now he used for multiple innings to get stretched out. It sounds like most of that work will be done in the majors.

Once the transition is made, Joba will finish out the season as a starter, get to around 150 innings and be ready to go 180-185 innings in 2009.

This issue has (and will be) debated endlessly. But to me it’s simple: You don’t waste an arm like his in the eighth inning. You just don’t. Chamberlain can be a No. 1 or No. 2 starter, he’s that good. A No. 1 or No. 2 starter is twice as valuable as a set-up man.

It also underlines the idea that 2008 is a transition season for the Yankees in many ways. Taking Chamberlain out of the set-up role may cost them a win or two or three along the way. But what he can become in the long run is far more important than individual games.

Brian Cashman and Joe Girardi have a long-range view. If you’re a fan, you should accept that now and stop sweating every pitch. The Yankees are trying to build a foundation for 2009 and beyond.

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95 Responses to ““The process has started””

  1. Jake May 21st, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    I love the idea, but who do they bump from the rotation? Hughes will be back and Rasner has pitched too well to lose his spot.

  2. trisha - never underestimate the power of a few words from Hank. May 21st, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    Girardi just annointed Farnsy for the 8th!

    Get used to it kids.

    :D

  3. Chris May 21st, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Its tough to have that mindset….i havent had it like 12-13 years. But its true and you’re right. Its a re-building year we just have to bit the bullet this year and trade that in for a solid 09 and beyond.

  4. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 21st, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    he’s not that serious :lol:

  5. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 21st, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    LOL I’m glad I’m not Girardi I’d want to punch some people here

  6. jason May 21st, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    Well said Pete.. You’re 100% correct

  7. Vince May 21st, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Will Girardi use Joba next time out in a 5-5 game in the 5th and have him finish it? Or at least bridge it all the way to Mo, or will he only be used in mop up roles during the “process”?

  8. S.A.- Welcome back Yankees Offense. Don't leave us! May 21st, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Rock on Joba!

  9. jay destro May 21st, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    I have faith that the organization has a grand plan for the future. This us just part of it I assume.

  10. Hey May 21st, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    I don’t like how you mention the Yankees are trying to build a foundation in 2009 and beyond. The Yankees have been saying that for several years, and everybody thought the next year would be a crazy good year, like this year and last year too. I even thought that, but I obviously thought wrong about IPK and Hughes winning 40 combined games.

  11. Jeff NJ May 21st, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    The Girardi announcement makes tonight feel like a national holiday. The 8th inning will sort itself out eventually. Tonight is the best night of the year so far.

  12. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 21st, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    Moose and that freaking marker board :lol:

  13. Scorpio May 21st, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Looks like Moose & A-Rod had a good laugh over it, the mood is so much nicer after a win.

    Go Joba!

  14. pat May 21st, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Moose dry erase update:

    “Balls that hit the yellow step are usually HRs. But not tonight”

  15. Vince May 21st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    what did it say?

  16. Vince May 21st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    thanks!

  17. Mort Goldman May 21st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    moose on the whiteboard…..cute

    jose tabata finally popped his cherry and hit one out..sweet

    Ken singleton’s grimace when Kay speculating Phil hughes might take over Joba’s role in the bullpen…..priceless

  18. D ( YANKEES FAN, who CARES what a BoSux Fan thinks ! ) May 21st, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    I would say that having Joba in the starting rotation in place of IPK ( because THAT is what is going to happen as Rasner is showing he can hold down HIS spot ) is going to win us MORE games than NOT having Joba in the 8th inning is going to cost us…IMHO….

  19. Chris May 21st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Here’s a thought on the Joba as a starter or reliever debate. So far, the debate has been between having him as a starter and pitch roughly 200 innings or being a setup man and pitch 70 innings a year.

    I can’t see a GM or manager doing it, but I think the best use of a top arm like this would be as a long setup man. If you have him pitch 2-3 innings a game in close games, for a total of about 120 innings. You could leverage him much more into close games – like a 5-4 game after 5 innings, and have him pitch the 6th, 7th and 8th innings. If you limit him to one time through the order, he could focus on his 2 best pitches and most likely be more effective (i.e. lower ERA) than as a starter.

  20. Mike May 21st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Dumb move by the Yankees. Closers and setup men don’t come by everyday.

  21. phl May 21st, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Yep. We have to stop measuring ourselves against the past (or the Red Sox). Overhauls take time! The Sox needed an overhaul in 1919. No way ours will take that long to complete.

  22. Vince May 21st, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    ur right Mike, aces come along constantly, that’s why people use their first round picks on future closers.

    Chris, you’d have to hope you get one of those games every four of five days then, but theoretically, it would work.

  23. Vince May 21st, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    you’re, wow, too much AIM time.

  24. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 21st, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Pete I hope I hear you explain that on “Tony Paige’s Show” it is needed tonight. :lol:

  25. D ( YANKEES FAN, who CARES what a BoSux Fan thinks ! ) May 21st, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    ” I love the idea, but who do they bump from the rotation? Hughes will be back and Rasner has pitched too well to lose his spot. ”
    Figure it out :

    Andy – stays
    Moose – Stays
    Wang – stays
    Joba – stays
    Rasner, Hughes and IPK fight it out for #5…and who do you trust for that spot ?….easy, Rasner….with IPK stinking it up and Hughes coming off a long layoff with an injury…your #5 starter is an easy, easy choice right now ( although it could change, but what does THAT really mean in the scheme of things ? )….This is a truly nice problem to have….Having MORE than 5 strong starting pitchers ??? ( that is IF IPK or Phil gets it “together” ??? ) :-) Rock ON, Joba !

  26. D ( YANKEES FAN, who CARES what a BoSux Fan thinks ! ) May 21st, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Dumb post by Mike…..NEXT !

  27. Mort Goldman May 21st, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    mike
    u thilly gooth

  28. S.A.- Welcome back Yankees Offense. Don't leave us! May 21st, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    “Mike May 21st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Dumb move by the Yankees. Closers and setup men don’t come by everyday.”

    Is that you Mike Francessa?

  29. Bob May 21st, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Best news we’ve heard all season.

  30. SJ44 May 21st, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Please, this setup man stuff is just stupid.

    A year ago at this time, there weren’t 10 Yankee fans who knew what Joba Chamberlain could do at the major league level.

    Even a dolt like Mike Francesa KILLED a caller on his show one day in June who suggested Chamberlain could be moved to the bullpen and be the 8th inning guy.

    They have numerous candidates to fill that role. They have NOBODY who can be a #1 or #2 starter at the major league level this season in the minors.

    That’s Joba’s ceiling.

    When all is said and done, while Farnsworth may start in the 8th inning role, I bet Mark Melancon ends up with the job.

    If you don’t think he can do it, think Joba last year.

    He’s that good.

  31. Doreen May 21st, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Neither do #1 or #2 pitchers come by every day.

    Pete -

    When Girardi said they have a schedule, I figured what you said – there are going to be some games where they outcome of the game will be secondary.

    Now, if the offense really has woken up, then perhaps it won’t be as painful as it could potentially be.

  32. David May 21st, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    I don’t see how this underlines that 2008 is a transition season… I read it as the complete opposite. Why would you streamline the move of Joba into the rotation and stretch him out in the majors in a transition season? They are transitioning him into a position in the rotation that desperately needs revamping… If they planned on it being a transition season you would think they would have Joba stretch out in the minors where it would obviously be much easier for him and be less stressful. I don’t really see how you can see this team as a transition team when Joba is in the rotation. That will wrap up most of the moving parts, especially the rotation…

  33. CB May 21st, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Didn’t see the new thread…

    #

    The goal of this season should be to make the playoffs – they may need to scratch their way into the postseason but that’s fine.

    To me the goal is to get to the post season with a rotation headed up by Wang and Joba.

    You have a 5 game series with Wang and Joba throwing 3 of the 5 games – I’ll take my chances.

    As amazing as Joba has been out of the pen for the yankees we have not seen him pitch up to his potential yet.

    Why? Because we haven’t seen his entire repertoire. He’s got more weapons than what we’ve seen.

    Joba’s going to be a better starter than he is a reliever.

    Now that does not mean he’s going to have better statistics as a starter because he won’t.

    But as a starter we’re going to see him be able to do things that very, very, very few pitchers in all of baseball are capable of.

    In the pen he’s a dominant force. But there are pitchers who can perform at similar levels – Papelbon, Rodriguez, Putz, etc.

    None of those guys can do what Joba can as a starter.

    He’ll have significant growing pains especially because he has to transition back to starting.

    But he’s going to be something else as a starter. The kind of pitcher this team has been chasing after (one bad free agent signing after another, one bad trade after another) for over a decade.

    Look at what Tim Lincecum is doing for the giants (not his W-L becasue the giants stink – look at his peripherals).

    Joba is better than Lincecum.

  34. YankeeJosh May 21st, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Who knows what the rest of the season will bring. Mussina and/or Rasner may come back to earth. Pettitte could get hurt. That shouldn’t impact what the team does with Joba.

    Speculating, I could see a rotation of Wang, Pettitte, Hughes, Joba and whoever is pitching the best of Rasner, Kennedy or Mussina down the road this year. I also could see Kennedy being dealt near the trade deadline for help (maybe Teixiera?). Speculating is pointless though, as who knows what will happen in a few months. This is a really good move for the team and its future!

  35. Mort Goldman May 21st, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    someone said Melancon is a beast
    that gives me goothbumpths

  36. Doreen May 21st, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    I had to laugh when Alex said he would have loved replay tonight, but not so much on Sunday! Good, honest answer, that.

  37. Jax May 21st, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    This is a no brainer to me. Who keeps a pitcher in the pen if he can start? Especially if he can be a number 1 type of starter. You can always find 8th inning relievers. Can’t always find number 1 starters.

  38. David May 21st, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    CB, I think you said it perfectly. This team just needs to somehow bandage itself together and find a way to make the playoffs. If they can make the playoffs, by that time they’ll most likely have a dominant top 3 of Wang, Pettitte, and Joba, depending on how Joba does as a starter.

    But I don’t see how people can call this a “transition” season. Everyone saw what the offense is capable of tonight. If Joba Chamberlain didn’t exist and they had to keep testing Kennedy and Hughes I would agree it’s a transition season, but with Joba preparing to enter the rotation I don’t see it.

  39. Kenneth Keith Kallenbach May 21st, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    that 777-7777 commercial annoys me

  40. RayBlay May 21st, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    ughh Betances had 6 bb

  41. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 21st, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    “ughh Betances had 6 bb”
    he’s a rookie, he’s only expected to give innings this year.

  42. jessica(Let's Go Yankees) May 21st, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Edwar will be a ideal option for set-up man. On top of that, we have enough arms down the farm for our bullpen.

  43. ellen May 21st, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    “The process has started” – what beautiful words!

  44. george May 21st, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    i don’t see this as indicating 2008 is transitional in the sense that they are willing to give up the year.

    rather, this is an agressive move in that the Yanks desperately need another good starter. if Joba pitches to at least a 3rd starter level, i’d think his contributions to wins would exceed the number of games that having a lesser 8th inning guy will cost.

    they seem to have more bullpen depth than starter depth; i’d feel otherwise if they had the 1998-2003 staffs.

  45. Shirley May 21st, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    Doreen,
    I love what A-Rod said. That’s cute.

  46. ellen May 21st, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    jessica – exactly. Farns has the most experience, so it makes sense that he’ll get a shot. If he sticks, great. If he implodes, there are other options.

  47. Vince May 21st, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    edwar doesnt have the talent to be an 8th inning guy.

  48. EricNS May 21st, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    Relax about Betances – that is what the minors are for – to learn

  49. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 21st, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    I want to believe that Farnsworth could be a good setup guy, I really do…it’s just that every time I think he can meet the challenge he goes and does something like he did against the Mets last weekend…

    But we’ve got to believe there’s somebody in the minors like a Melancon that SJ44 alluded to that can do the job…

    If that’s the case, then it will be interesting to see how good a starter Joba will be…we might become very strong indeed!

    But let’s be clear…just like we can’t lose games 12-2 like we did yesterday, we also cannot afford to lose too many 3-2 or 2-1 games that we blow in the 7th and 8th or 9th for that matter…

    GO YANKS!!!!

  50. Vince May 21st, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    I think honestly, Melancon is the best bet and then Ohlendorf and Veras. The latter two have the best stuff of anybody not named Joba or Rivera in the bullpen right now, Ohlendorf is just not being used correctly.

  51. Andy Hawkins May 21st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Am I the only guy who thinks Ohlendorf can be the setup guy?

  52. Vince May 21st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Cox added a third pitch after his injury and has excellent control, but he is more of a Scot Shields, two innings when you need them type of arm, not necessarily power throwing eighth inning guy (even though Shields is a setup man.)

  53. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 21st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    ^^^ I would think you’d be crying right now Dynasty what gives ?

  54. Vince May 21st, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    No, Andy, I’ve been saying on http://www.soxandpinstripes.com all season I think Ohlendorf could be a setup man by the end of the season.

  55. CB May 21st, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    They’re going to let Farnsworth try the 8th inning role. That’s fine.

    It’s not likely to last.

    The bullpen is going to be in flux all year.

    And that’s fine. In fact it’s a good thing. Change is going to happen in the bull pen all year because there is a lot of talent in the system and they are going to continue to mix and match in order to figure something out.

    Farnsworth gets first shot. That’s fine – he’ll have to pitch very well to keep that spot because there are going to be a number of different options.

  56. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 21st, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    BTW Melancon has the stuff to be a relief ace 1 – 3 IP stuff.

  57. Philly May 21st, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    Melancon is a beast? Where’s the evidence? Does he have “666″ as a birthmark?

  58. S.A.- Welcome back Yankees Offense. Don't leave us! May 21st, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    OMG…this idiot on SNY..
    “This is a dumb move…losing him for a couple weeks to stretch him out will kill the Yankees.”
    Oh fool please

  59. Andy Hawkins May 21st, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    Vince, good call on Veras too. I’ve saw him all year in Scranton, and he has a dynamic arm. I see Edwar as more of a seventh inning guy, and Veras and Ohlendorf can share that eighth inning. I’d still like to see a lefty or two out there, but still…nobody talks about the bullpen as a future strength of the team. I think it will be.

    And by the way, this is about time. Joba can be the next Roger Clemens as a starter. He has that kind of stuff.

  60. ellen May 21st, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    CB, it’s the variety of other options that make the Farns experiment not so scary. If he was the only option, well . . . better not to think about it. ;)

  61. eric May 21st, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    Seen Melancon pitch. He’s an attacker. Its great.

  62. Andy Hawkins May 21st, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    Philly…yes, Melancon does indeed have a 666 birthmark on his scalp. Look closely, and you can see it.

  63. Vince May 21st, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    If Veras can throw strikes and Ohlendorf can show some more poise, either one of them is a great sleeper.

  64. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 21st, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Brandon,

    There’s no crying in baseball!

  65. Doreen May 21st, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    Gonna have to put in the ear plugs because there’s going to be a lot of talk about this everywhere, and a lot if not most of it is going to crucify the Yankees for doing this.

  66. pat May 21st, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    Wow. Pujols hit a line drive off Chris Young’s face. Scary looking but he walked off the field. Hope he’s okay.

  67. Joe from Long Island May 21st, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Kyle is going to be placed in the setup role to showcase him for a deal. ?Milwaukee, to go with Gagne? The Cubs, maybe? Who needs bullpen help who could send someone useful to the Yankees?

  68. A.B.K May 21st, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    wow that’s awful, Albert Pujols hit a line drive right into the face of Padres Pitcher Chris Young. (he sat on the ground for several minutes but was able to walk off the field on his own. ball hit him above his nose).

  69. Andy Hawkins May 21st, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    They aren’t trading farnsworth.

  70. Bob May 21st, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    OMG…this idiot on SNY..
    “This is a dumb move…losing him for a couple weeks to stretch him out will kill the Yankees.”
    Oh fool please

    These people kill me.

    Joba’s pen in the pen all year and how are the Yanks doing?

    They may say Farnsworth is gonna take over the role, but you know they have other plans in place.

  71. Wander May 21st, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Someone brought it up earlier about where Joba goes in the rotation, he’s going to fight it out with Hughes and Kennedy for the spot – Rasner has earned his.

  72. Andy Hawkins May 21st, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Guys, relax on Hughes. He’s getting his spot when he comes back. The guy was pitching hurt, and he was one of the top prospects in the game. Plus, they want him to get his innings in for next year, too.

  73. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 21st, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    SA who was the SNY punk who said that

  74. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 21st, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    I just had a nightmare thought:

    We’re in the playoffs and Joba has pitchced well for 7 innings-he gets in trouble in the 8th and then whoever comes in blows the game…

    And people will be saying too bad we didn’t have Joba to relieve…

    And then some genius will say, yeah, but if we didn’t start Joba the game would have been over in the 2nd inning!

    But in the end a loss is still a loss…

  75. Andy Hawkins May 21st, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    you can always trade for a set-up man if farnsworth, ohlendorf and veras don’t work out. they’re easier to find than good starters.

  76. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 21st, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    “I just had a nightmare thought:

    We’re in the playoffs and Joba has pitchced well for 7 innings”

    how is this a nightmare :lol:

  77. Sabathia and Teixeira in 09 May 21st, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    Why would they trade farnsworth to someone who needs pen help?? Are you lost we need pen help lol

  78. Bob May 21st, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    I just had a nightmare thought:

    We’re in the playoffs and Joba has pitchced well for 7 innings-he gets in trouble in the 8th and then whoever comes in blows the game…

    And people will be saying too bad we didn’t have Joba to relieve…

    And then some genius will say, yeah, but if we didn’t start Joba the game would have been over in the 2nd inning!

    But in the end a loss is still a loss…

    At this point I’d just be happy us to have that problem. lol

  79. Sabathia and Teixeira in 09 May 21st, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Dude why are you even watchin SNY are you trying to fall asleep or something?

  80. S.A.- Welcome back Yankees Offense. Don't leave us! May 21st, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    “SA who was the SNY punk who said that”

    I think his last name was Schwartz

  81. S.A.- Welcome back Yankees Offense. Don't leave us! May 21st, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    Jonas Schwartz! That’s the fool

  82. Corey May 21st, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    maybe K-Rod will wanna be a setup man for the yankees next year ? lol

  83. Blargh May 21st, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    “maybe K-Rod will wanna be a setup man for the yankees next year ? lol”

    Radio talk about bullpen celebrations will live on! Hmm…

  84. Vince May 21st, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    K Rod said he would only close.

  85. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 21st, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    Why is there always a debate about what’s more important, starting pitching or relief?

    We’re not in the 1940′s or 50′s when pithcers went the distance…

    Today, it takes three or four pitchers to get through a game…they’re all important in my view…

    You have to have good starting pitching-that’s a given, but sub-par relief destroy everything a starter has worked so hard to achieve…

    I remember the ’96 Braves had outstanding starting pitching…but you know what I remember most about that series?

    Mark Wohlers failing in relief…

    It’s all situational…there may be big series where starting pitching is dominant and your side scores a bunch of runs and so relief is not as important…

    Then other times, there will be closer games where it will come down to who has the better bullpen…

    You must have good starting pitching AND good relief pitching, because you don’t know what situation you will find yourself in…

    Be prepared for all contingencies and you increase your chances of winning…

    Let’s hope that Joba is a great starter and whoever replaces him will be Joba-like…

    GO YANKS!!!!

  86. Vince May 21st, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    I think you just proved the point Dynasty.

    Wohlers was excellent that season and still lost a WS game when they needed a win. An ace will give you 28-30 very good to great starts and 6-9 innings every time out, even te best relievers will still blow 5 games ever year and u never know when it will happen.

  87. AeroFANatic May 21st, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    Let’s see :

    Chamberlain is at 20 innings on the season. My BET would be that that for the next 48 games up until the All Star Break, we will see 30 more innings pitched. First, 2 innings every 3-4 days. Then, 3-4 innings every 5-6 days…

    With 50 IP at the all star break, Joba becomes a full time starter. 67 games in the REG season after the all star break. If Joba AVERAGES 6 innings in those 13-14 starts, that would put him right at 130 innings come playoff time (if they make it).

    So, if things break right….Joba will hit his 150 innings limit for 2008, in the World Series.

    I would imagine Farnsworth will get the 8th inning for now, and if he completely stinks up the joint it will become Olly/Hawkins until Melancon or Cox is ready to assume the role…

    The plans #’s seem to work out well….here is hoping for the best.

  88. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 22nd, 2008 at 12:01 am

    Vince,

    And starting pitchers don’t lose big games? Didn’t Wang fail twice in the ALDS last year?

  89. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 22nd, 2008 at 12:02 am

    Does anyone on the board know what the average outing of a starting pitcher in the Majors is today?

  90. Vince May 22nd, 2008 at 12:32 am

    Of course starters can fail, and they could do it more often than relievers, that’s why you give your best pitchers the chance to start.

  91. Vince May 22nd, 2008 at 12:33 am

    it’s like saying “i’d rather have the topping of my ice cream than the actual ice cream”. Yes, the topping finishes the experience but it’s nothing without the ice cream under it. And that ice cream makes up a lot more of the dessert than the topping does.

    And yes, I am hungry.

  92. Calculator May 22nd, 2008 at 12:35 am

    6.2 innings according Elias sports.

  93. nyyfaninlaaland May 22nd, 2008 at 3:03 am

    I can hardly wait for about Joba’s 4th start – he’ll get lit up some, and his fastball will be hitting 92-93 (due to pacing for distance). The video analysts and this board will be alight with the “what’s wrong with Joba” analysis.

    Guaranteed.

    The IP ramp up process doesn’t have to take 6 weeks – but the math in your analysis was solid. Pitchers coming off extended DL stints throw pens to build up (as does any starter between outings), then go 2, 3, 4-5, 6 and maybe 1 more 6-7 (yeah, I know it’s really a pitch count thing). That’s 5 outings – takes maybe 4 weeks. That’s about 22 IP. Leaves about 90-95 starting innings to the 135 range, or 16 starts. There’s your number – about 1 month to starting.

    Does anyone really think the Yanks would shut Joba down for the Series rather than exceed the 150 IP threshold? Look at what the Tribe did with Cabrera last year. His arm hasn’t fallen off yet, though there still time. This is not a hard and fast rule, its a guideline.

  94. bronxbomber77 (from worst to first in 2008!) May 22nd, 2008 at 9:19 am

    TIMMAY!

  95. Jake May 22nd, 2008 at 11:49 am

    Well spoken Peter.

    I totally agree. Transition him, monitor his innings and prepare for the long term. This season is definitely not lost, so it is fair to be optimistic that he can help out the rotation this year.

    What is going to happen to Ian Kennedy? He has been pitching terribly? Long relief? Trade bait? Another year in AAA?

    Any updates on Hughes?

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