Comments on: JobaJobaJobaJobaJobaJobaJobaJobaJobaJoba http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:33:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Graig - Japan http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/comment-page-4/#comment-360205 Graig - Japan Fri, 23 May 2008 05:23:16 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/#comment-360205 Slowly but surely, I've gotten on board the Joba-as-a-starter express, largely due to Peter's sound arguments. One of the things that kept me skeptical was the idea that Joba would be sent down to the minors for a month to transform into a starter. With this concept of him stretching out his innings during games, I'm converted. The process itself can help the team a great deal. Slowly but surely, I’ve gotten on board the Joba-as-a-starter express, largely due to Peter’s sound arguments. One of the things that kept me skeptical was the idea that Joba would be sent down to the minors for a month to transform into a starter. With this concept of him stretching out his innings during games, I’m converted. The process itself can help the team a great deal.

]]> By: Ben http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/comment-page-4/#comment-359478 Ben Thu, 22 May 2008 22:23:30 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/#comment-359478 "The sidebar to this is that people are vastly overrating the importance of the eighth inning. A decent bullpen with versatile pieces can handle the eighth inning." That maybe, but consider this information that I pulled from Mariano Rivera's wiki page: In 1996, Rivera served primarily as a set-up man for the closer John Wetteland. Rivera typically would pitch the 7th and 8th innings, before Wetteland pitched in the 9th. Their effectiveness as a tandem essentially shortened their games to 6 innings, as the Yankees had a 70-3 record that season when leading after the 6th inning. The Yankees utilized a "6-2-1" strategy by aiming for six innings from the starting pitcher, two from Rivera, and one from Wetteland. The Yankees won 29 of 31 games in which the pair appeared. Rivera played an important role in the Yankees winning the World Series that year (their first championship since 1978). In 107 2/3 innings pitched that season, Rivera only allowed one home run. Setting a Yankee record for strikeouts by a reliever in a season (130), Rivera came in third for the Cy Young Award voting, behind twenty-game winners Pat Hentgen and teammate Andy Pettitte, respectively. I'm not stating my opinion either way, but it's certainly some food for thought. If anything, it shows that this really could be a transitional year for the Yankees where the goals of future overshadow the goals of the present. One more thing to consider. If the Yankees pick things up and get positive contributions from the majority of their starting pitchers, who is to say that Joba won't find his way back to the Pen for the postseason. “The sidebar to this is that people are vastly overrating the importance of the eighth inning. A decent bullpen with versatile pieces can handle the eighth inning.”

That maybe, but consider this information that I pulled from Mariano Rivera’s wiki page:
In 1996, Rivera served primarily as a set-up man for the closer John Wetteland. Rivera typically would pitch the 7th and 8th innings, before Wetteland pitched in the 9th. Their effectiveness as a tandem essentially shortened their games to 6 innings, as the Yankees had a 70-3 record that season when leading after the 6th inning. The Yankees utilized a “6-2-1″ strategy by aiming for six innings from the starting pitcher, two from Rivera, and one from Wetteland. The Yankees won 29 of 31 games in which the pair appeared. Rivera played an important role in the Yankees winning the World Series that year (their first championship since 1978). In 107 2/3 innings pitched that season, Rivera only allowed one home run. Setting a Yankee record for strikeouts by a reliever in a season (130), Rivera came in third for the Cy Young Award voting, behind twenty-game winners Pat Hentgen and teammate Andy Pettitte, respectively.

I’m not stating my opinion either way, but it’s certainly some food for thought. If anything, it shows that this really could be a transitional year for the Yankees where the goals of future overshadow the goals of the present.

One more thing to consider. If the Yankees pick things up and get positive contributions from the majority of their starting pitchers, who is to say that Joba won’t find his way back to the Pen for the postseason.

]]> By: Martin http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/comment-page-4/#comment-359356 Martin Thu, 22 May 2008 21:07:15 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/#comment-359356 "Mike and the Mad Dog make me what to throw up. They are so clueless when it comes to Joba. It makes you wonder how they have a show." Coincidentally, I already said their baseball acumen makes me want to throw up. But I don't want people to think this quote is mine because I want nothing to do with Sabathia. Teixeira's a different story, but N.O. C.C. “Mike and the Mad Dog make me what to throw up. They are so clueless when it comes to Joba. It makes you wonder how they have a show.”

Coincidentally, I already said their baseball acumen makes me want to throw up. But I don’t want people to think this quote is mine because I want nothing to do with Sabathia. Teixeira’s a different story, but N.O. C.C.

]]> By: Hideki Balboni http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/comment-page-4/#comment-359297 Hideki Balboni Thu, 22 May 2008 20:40:49 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/#comment-359297 nettles: "As a starter, Joba is gonna average two starts a week" The season is 25-26 weeks long. Joba is going to make 50+ starts? nettles: “As a starter, Joba is gonna average two starts a week”

The season is 25-26 weeks long. Joba is going to make 50+ starts?

]]> By: Hideki Balboni http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/comment-page-4/#comment-359293 Hideki Balboni Thu, 22 May 2008 20:39:19 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/#comment-359293 Will: "How can you say the guy is a natural born reliever when he has been a starter all throughout college and minor league career?" Because I have eyes and I watch the games. He has the stuff and the guts to be the next great closer. Can't you see that? Will: “How can you say the guy is a natural born reliever when he has been a starter all throughout college and minor league career?”

Because I have eyes and I watch the games. He has the stuff and the guts to be the next great closer. Can’t you see that?

]]> By: ana.. http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/comment-page-4/#comment-359255 ana.. Thu, 22 May 2008 20:21:56 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/#comment-359255 "things" not thinks. “things” not thinks.

]]> By: ana.. http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/comment-page-4/#comment-359253 ana.. Thu, 22 May 2008 20:20:06 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/#comment-359253 S.O.S. 27 True they spent 100 million to get him, but more than half of the dough was just for the chance to get him. Boston didn't have to give up any players at all. No prospects. Not an Ellsbury or Lester or a Pedroia. Makes me think it is a lower risk proposition, and thus lowers expectations (not talking about media hype or the fans, but) within the organization. Igawa has been a dud, and anyone with a clue about his last few years with Hanshin and his temperment could've seen it coming a mile away, but all that has been lost (besides a few games)in acquiring him was money, not a Chamberlain or Duncan. Big difference and a reason why clubs with cash should continue to take their chances with Japanese pitchers. Daisuke's a pain to watch pitch but he takes the ball every five days and wins (if ugly) and has a World Series ring. Plus thinks still might really fall into place. S.O.S. 27
True they spent 100 million to get him, but more than half of the dough was just for the chance to get him. Boston didn’t have to give up any players at all. No prospects. Not an Ellsbury or Lester or a Pedroia. Makes me think it is a lower risk proposition, and thus lowers expectations (not talking about media hype or the fans, but) within the organization. Igawa has been a dud, and anyone with a clue about his last few years with Hanshin and his temperment could’ve seen it coming a mile away, but all that has been lost (besides a few games)in acquiring him was money, not a Chamberlain or Duncan. Big difference and a reason why clubs with cash should continue to take their chances with Japanese pitchers. Daisuke’s a pain to watch pitch but he takes the ball every five days and wins (if ugly) and has a World Series ring. Plus thinks still might really fall into place.

]]> By: blackdragon905 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/comment-page-4/#comment-359250 blackdragon905 Thu, 22 May 2008 20:16:29 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/#comment-359250 i meant dice-k*, my fault i meant dice-k*, my fault

]]> By: blackdragon905 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/comment-page-4/#comment-359246 blackdragon905 Thu, 22 May 2008 20:10:16 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/#comment-359246 once again dick-k is let off the hook, he's getting really lucky, i mean he is walking a ton and getting out of it once again dick-k is let off the hook, he’s getting really lucky, i mean he is walking a ton and getting out of it

]]> By: MasterShake http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/comment-page-4/#comment-359238 MasterShake Thu, 22 May 2008 20:05:06 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/22/jobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajobajoba/#comment-359238 Pete, good job with this entry. Every point is right on the mark. Pete, good job with this entry. Every point is right on the mark.

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