Game 52: Yankees at Orioles
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YANKEES
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui LF
Giambi DH
Betemit 1B
Cano 2B
Molina C
Kennedy RHP
ORIOLES
Roberts 2B
Mora 3B
Markakis RF
Huff DH
Scott LF
Millar 1B
Hernandez C
Jones CF
Bynum SS
Burres LHP
Ian Kennedy (0-3, 7.27) vs. the Orioles hitters.
Brian Burres (4-4, 3.16) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: Derek Jeter is 1 of his last 23. … A-Rod is 3 for 16 in the last four games with one RBI. … Hideki Matsui is 11 of 17 with 11 runs scored and five RBI in the last five games. He has gone from .297 to .331. … Melky Cabrera is 5 of 31 with two runs scored in the last nine games. If this keeps up, Brett Gardner could come knocking. … Chad Moeller is 4 for 12 with three RBI in his last three games. He was a nice pickup, especially considering the Nationals released him.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 6:02 p.m.: If you’re interested in the All-Star voting, here are the AL results so far.
Jeter leads the shortstops and A-Rod leads at third base. Cano is second at second (to Pedroia) and Matsui is in second among the DHs (to Ortiz).
If you’re getting caught up in the voting, you have way tooo much time on your hands.
UPDATE, 6:30 p.m.: Bad news for you readers in Trenton or Scranton. Jorge Posada will likely do all his rehab work in extended spring training. Joe Girardi said there were no plans for rehab games at any of the affiliates.
UPDATE, 7:21 p.m.: Here’s a revelation, Jason Giambi has been hitting the ball well lately. Maybe that will get him in the lineup tomorrow.
JORGE POSADA UPDATE
This from the AP: Yankees catcher Jorge Posada is set to take a big step in his rehabilitation program for a sore right shoulder Thursday when he is scheduled to resume throwing to the bases in an extended spring training game.
“We’ll see,†he said. “So far, so good.â€
Posada played catch in the outfield and threw to the bases during a pregame workout Tuesday before he caught six innings and went 3-for-6 with a double in his second extended spring game.
“Another step forward,†Posada said. “Get some at-bats, and now have a day off tomorrow and get ready to throw Thursday. It’s just a matter of getting ready to play games.â€
Four of Posada’s at-bats came against injured Philadelphia Phillies pitcher Kris Benson, who has a strained groin. Posada went 2-for-4 with a double that went off the right-field fence.
UPDATE, 8:22 p.m.: So much for developing Ian Kennedy, I guess. Ross Ohlendorf now pitching.
Why doesn’t this team have a long reliever?
UPDATE, 8:39 p.m.: Ah, it turns out Ian Kennedy is injured. Slight strain in his right lat muscle.
No word on how long he’ll be out. But “slight” with the Yankees usually means “disabled list.”
Ladies and gentlemen, Joba Chamberlain. If he goes 50-55 tomorrow, he could start on June 3 and throw 80.
So much for the “What will we do with so many starters” problem. You never have too many starters.
UPDATE, 8:45 p.m.: Chase Ohlenforf does not seem to be the answer.
The good news is that “Sit In The Bleachers and get a Baseball Night” here at Camden Yards has been a huge success so far.
That’s nine home runs and we’re in the fifth inning.
UPDATE, 9:04 p.m.: And you thought Jose Reyes was the only New York shortstop who could get foolishly picked off second in a big spot.
UPDATE, 9:28 p.m.: This inning will be very telling for Edwar, one way or another. Big spot for him.
UPDATE, 9:31 p.m.: With Juan Miranda hurt and Jason Lane maybe on his way to the majors (or taking his out), the Yankees signed veteran Ben Broussard to a minor league contract Tuesday and assigned him to Triple-A Scranton. The 31-year-old Broussard hit .159 with three homers and eight RBI with Texas this season before he was designated for assignment May 8. Broussard started at first base for Scranton tonight and batted fourth.
UPDATE, 9:38 p.m.: They might as well give Wilson Betemit one of those fishing nets like the kids use at Yankee Stadium. His glove is useless at this point. The one thing Kevin Millar can’t do against the Yankees is run.
Still 8-8. This would really be a bad game to lose at this point. For either team.
UPDATE, 9:53 p.m.: You want the bad news or the bad news?
The rain is coming. The grounds crew is standing behind the tarp and the wind is whipping here at the ballpark. It’s going to start raining in any second. And nobody is waming up for the Yankees. This game is apparently in the hands of Krazy Kyle.
UPDATE, 9:56 p.m.: But wait, there is hope. Now warming for the Yankees, Mariano Rivera.
UPDATE, 9:59 p.m.: And now it’s raining.
UPDATE, 10 p.m.: Jeter can’t get a bunt down and earlier he got picked off second. Nice night for the Captain.
Meanwhile it’s so windy that Edwar has been sent to the clubhouse.
UPDATE, 10:06 p.m.: Rain delay. Joe Girardi is pretty mad. Maybe he’ll kick his hat again, that usually works.
UPDATE, 10:30 p.m.: The rain is starting to let up. There are a bunch of shirtless fat guys behind the Yankees dugout. (I’m still in the pressbox). It appears we will finish this game at some point this evening. I would imagine Mariano will pitch.
This is, I’m pretty sure, the seventh game this season that has either been suspended by or delayed by rain.
UPDATE, 10:39 p.m.: They’re pulling the tarp. I’ll let you know when the game is scheduled to start.
UPDATE, 10:42 p.m.: They’re playing Folsom Prison Blues by Johnny Cash. Then followed that with Thriller by Michael Jackson. How insane is that?
Now it’s raining again.
UPDATE, 10:47 p.m.: Tarp back on the field.
UPDATE, 10:55 p.m.: Now they’re taking the tarp off the field. This is like watching a Three Stooges episode.
UPDATE, 11:02 p.m.: They just announced the game will start at 11:15 p.m.
UPDATE, 11:10 p.m.: Mariano will be pitching when the game resumes. Markakis, Huff and Scott due up for the Birds. Just a handful of folks left in the yard.
UPDATE, 11:49 p.m.: If they can’t score here they never will.
UPDATE, 11:50: p.m.: This is quite a game. A-Rod grounds into a double play fielder’s choice with the bases loaded then Matsui singles to center and Abreu scores from second.
Now do you burn Mo out for a few days or bring in Hawkins?
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why is a-rod slumping?!!!
here is a question how much of Melky’s 5-31 is due to the fact that we have been facing left handers and he has had to be batting from his weak side? I know early in the year he was hitting much better from the right side but maybe too many rh at bats and he becomes more exposed.
As much as I think we would all like to see Gardner he is a left handed bat and based on what Cashman said last week I dont think we will see him anytime soon for himto sit on the bench especially as he is a left bat
The Melkman had better stay right here, he was our best hitter the first couple months.
Betemit from the right side is a sure out, Why not shelly???
I don’t think they will dump Melky for Gardner. If they are willing to stick with Shelley, who clearly belongs down in AAA, they aren’t dumping Melky after everything he has accomplished these last two years.
Two posts after Pete chides commenters for declaring the Yankees done this early in the season, he’s doing the same with Melky. Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.
I don’t like Betemit either, but Shelley has had a ton of chances the last week or so and besides the 3-Run HR, he hasn’t done much. You sent down Alberto Gonzalez so Betemit could return, so you might as well make use of him.
Betemit in place of Melky? and playing first base? Ouch. (they’re both switch hitters so why don’t give Damon a break against the lefty?).
The “bad” outfield with flyball pitcher Kennedy. Let’s all pray for Matsui in LF.
hope im wrong but i see betamit striking out at least twice tonight.
CM ,
I don’t think Pete was claiming Melky is washed up. He just gave a stat and remarked about how Melky can’t continue playing that way for the rest of the season. If Melky is still hitting .161 (5/31=.161) in the next couple months or so, I wouldn’t be surprised if Gardner gets a call-up.
Betemit isnt great….but his bat from what ive seen is no worse than shelleys….and his defense is in most situations better…..betemit can atleast get a runner in scoring position by putting the ball in play…….shelley whiffs a whole lot.
I dont get all the hatred towards Mr. Wilson…..hes better than Ensberg and Duncan (Duncan does have the energy and occassional power however)…..but I do like Alberto.
“I don’t think Pete was claiming Melky is washed up. He just gave a stat and remarked about how Melky can’t continue playing that way for the rest of the season. If Melky is still hitting .161 (5/31=.161) in the next couple months or so, I wouldn’t be surprised if Gardner gets a call-up.”
The only problem is, you could say that about half our lineup. That said, I feel good baout tonight.
And the Melkman.
He delivers. Or so I’ve heard.
Ah, Kennedy-Burres part 2
So it feels like that the Yankees have been facing a lot of lefties lately; which leads me to wonder, what’s the ratio of lefty starters in the league?
baout = about
Damn dyslexic typing.
Melky has a tough stretch for nine games and suddenly someone is threatening to take his job? Wow. Melky continues to get no respect. Giambi and Cano spent the first six weeks of the season doing next to nothing, but there was never any thought about them losing their jobs. Why Melky gets so little respect in New York is beyond me. . .maybe he needs to grow a mustache to entice those sportswriters. . .
j- im more concerend with damon in center then matzuie in left
One more thing, Jeter is 1 for his last 21. I guess that means Alberto Gonzales could come a knocking if he keeps that up. . .(sarcasm)
I’ve been pleased with Moeller as well, he is decent behind the plate and has looked pretty sharp with the bat for his last few outings. As for Betemit, let’s give him a shot. Duncan wasn’t exactly setting the world on fire and we still have Giambi’s bat in the line-up. I’d also like to see Kennedy build upon the progress he made last week. I think getting himself out of trouble those few times have (hopefully) built up his confidence in his ability.
its a good lineup. i don’t mind betemit at 1B – just PLEASE don’t put him back at 3B. And I’m a little skeptical at Matsui in OF. His fielding skills seem to be decreasing at rapid pace.
Cashman said last week on a radio interview he wouldnt call for Gardner to join the MLB roster unless it was for full time duty, because the organization still views him as a potential everyday OF and they want him to continue to get regular ABs rather than sit on the bench, like Alberto was just doing.
I’m not for or against Melky really, but if our starting CF continues to hit under .200 thru the middle of June, something has to give no matter how well he hit in April.
Gardner hasnt been lighting it up, but he has continued to produce an OBP over .390 while stealing bases, albeit not as effectively as you’d hope.
Cathy – Matsui did throw a runner out at home over the weekend. So his D isn’t so bad. He’s not as speedy as Damon, but the arm is much better.
Why is A-rod slumping? For $25M a year, he should NEVER slump! He should ALWAYS deliver the big hit! Otherwise, you gotta throw money at the Giambis and Damons and Abreus of the world. A-Rod should be hitting .400 and have 25 homers by now, despite his time on the DL. What is the MATTER with him???
giambi’s dh’ing alot lately. i wonder if he’s banged up.
please tell me Bet is batting from the left side
why is Morgan Ensberg still on this roster and please do not tell me Lane deserves a shot his splits stinks in AVG and OBP %.
Damon in CF ????? OUCH !!!
This calls for at least 2 cutoff men for anything not caught.
betemit can certainly bat from the left side if he wants, but burres is a lefty.
someone in one of the earlier threads asked about all star voting update.here you go. Time for Yankee fans to stuff some ballot boxesif they want to see more Yankees – although not sure there are many out there who really deserve the spot at this point
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....;fext=.jsp
Damon is in CF ! oh god HOW DID I MISS THAT
excellent question about ensberg, if they’re gonna use betemit vs. lefties, what is the reason for keeping ensberg?
oops posted wrong link this is the actual vote totals etc
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....lotResults
Good move benching Melky for a day, he needed a day off in the worst way.
The Yankees get useful players off the Nationals scrap heap (Rasner, Moeller), shouldn’t it work the other way? Jim Bowden is not a good GM. He makes some good moves but a LOT of bad ones. With a team like the Nats there is very little room for error.
gayle,
lol. I thought I was the only one waiting for the real Yankees to show up before I voted. I’ll do my full share before the deadline, though.
Brandon,
Here’s a funny vid link for you. #2 is better than #1.
N-joy.
http://lakers-fan.com/?page_id=3
The Nationals also released Rasner.
“This calls for at least 2 cutoff men for anything not caught.”
You think red sox would let us borrow Manny for a day?
WTF ?
Betimit blows. Putting damon in cf is insane. he can’t throw ANYBODY out. Runners will take second automatically.
I’d get rid of Betemit, Ensberg, Hawkins and retool that bench and add a long man. Someone with speed on the bench wouldn’t hurt either. That means you Gardner.
Package Betemit with some prospects to Pittsburgh and get a lefty and Mientzciewismwitz back to play 1b and be a def replacement.
mel,
Whadya think? 2-2 going back to L.A.? Its all about Ginobli.
GO RED WINGS!!
The early line shows Betemit with 2 K’s and Damon with one runner allowed to score due to a weak throw from CF.
Both at 7 to 5 odds.
Can someone please tell me Bronson Arroyo did for Mike F. What is his fasination with him? He has a 6 era in the NL CENTRAL!!
No amount of ballot stuffing is going to erase leads around 200,000 votes. The Red Sox fans will keep voting for their own, as will all the Yankee haters who just want to annoy us. Don’t be surprised if Lowell ends up beating out A-Rod. Freaking fan voting…
Plus they have the manager, who’s taking Papelbon and Matsuzaka guaranteed. He’ll probably take another of his starters, maybe Beckett, maybe Lester, maybe both. Anyone else? He’ll be nice and give us Rivera. 7+ to 3. With 5 to 2 starters.
Nice All Star game for the Stadium’s last year.
jennifer he probably hasnt seen him pitch in a few years and still thinks he is the same pitcher who was with the Red Sox back in the day. Also it is actually a name that he knows
Hatteberg, anyone? he’s been DFA by the Reds since his role was limited and his position was taken by the rookie, Joey Votto. I would take his defense over Giambi’s. Hatteberg could still hit.
Jenn. did he go there again
SoS,
LOL. Like I said earlier, it’s too crazy to call. Check out the video link I gave Brandon. It’s all up to the “Machine”.
“Package Betemit with some prospects to Pittsburgh and get a lefty and Mientzciewismwitz back to play 1b and be a def replacement.”
this is just genius not only do we give Pitt. prospects but we send them a better batter and take back a defender who can’t hit. Atleast Bet from the left side drives in runs
On paper, we look like we have a tough matchup with IPK vs. their guy….time for the offense to break OUT and give us another 10 spot !!
I’m a little skeptical at Matsui in OF. His fielding skills seem to be decreasing at rapid pace.
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Matsui DHes most of the time. It’s not like riding a bike; You can’t expect him to play superb defense.
Not only did Pete mention how badly Melky was doing, but he also mentioned Jeter’s slump in the same stat-update. I think he was just stating the facts.
Nobody is going to replace Jeter, Giambi, or Cano, whereas Melky has Austin Jackson, Jose Tabata, and Brett Gardner who could theoretically take his job (granted, they’re a few years away).
Betemit isn’t going anywhere. Cashman loves him. He’s his pet project. He’s what we got for a decent set up guy?? Uggh.
mel,
Couldnt watch more than 20 sec. Its all about the big 3 and getting into the paint.
hey thanks for showing me how to alter my name. Hope its not too drastic? Who am i kidding. Yes i do.
not that im in favor of that trade, but id still like to have mientkiewicz even though he cant hit. he’d go in on d when we’re winning and using our all RH bullpen.
Why shouldn’t the Sox get multiple All Stars? Thats one of the perks of winning a title isn’t it??
Vlad is 3rd for OF!!!???!!!
all star voting has become a JOKE
Im all for trying Hattaberg out. Cant be worse than the options we have. Werent some of us looking to trade for him recently?
jennifer: Well, Arroyo is having a sucky season, but the NL Central isn’t exactly a light hitting division. The Brewers are the worst in the NL Central, runs per game-wise…at 4.39.
The Yankees generate 4.37 runs a game.
In other words, the worst offense in the NL Central would still slide in at 8th in the AL.
For that matter, the NL Central also does house the Cubs, who lead MLB in offense at 5.71 runs per game.
Which leads to…
Is it a matter of inferior pitching, superior hitting, or a combination of both that is behind the higher run production in the NL?
Having a 1b on the roster who could actually field the position wouldn’t be a bad thing now would it????
Ok, time for some Russ’ tidbits on they Yanks…First, they are in last place. $209 million payroll and last place, has this ever happened before? Second, Kennedy is pitching tonight, so far this season when he pitches, Yanks have 0% chance of winning, so chalk up a loss tonight. Third, folks, quit getting giddy on the Yanks 5 game winning streak. Three of those were against Seattle, the worst team in the league. Fourth, the Red Sox have beaten KC four times as many times this seasaon as the Yankees. Fifth, I believe the Red Sox have been out on the west coas twice, have the Yankees? Yanks usually only win 25% on the west coast. When you add all these factors in, that is why the Yanks will win about 80-82 games this year. I haven’t even mentioned, Igawa, Hughes, Hawkins, etc. or that the Yanks are “in the easiest part of their schedule”.
alot of us have pointed to not having a glove man behind giambi as cash’s worst roster mistake this season.
It has happened Russ. Last yr. They were in last at this time.
How many wins did they end up with??
Brett Gardner should be promoted. He’s got a .280 avg and almost .400 obp. Melky is too streaky…Yanks should light a fire under him. Gardner can run too, which the Yankees could use to manufacture runs. With Gardner in the majors, Austin Jackson (a long-term solution) could be promoted and would take the next step in his development.
Already…everybody listen up!
Apparently the Yankees “usually” only win about 25% of their games on the West Coast…somebody call Cashman and tell him to forfeit the games. The players wont be as jetlagged from flying cross country and the Yankees will come across as eco-friendly for saving the fuel required to fly cross-country.
thanks russ.
Brandon (supporting “Alex being Alex”) (J.Santana HR allowed count: 11 ) May 27th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
“Package Betemit with some prospects to Pittsburgh and get a lefty and Mientzciewismwitz back to play 1b and be a def replacement.â€
this is just genius not only do we give Pitt. prospects but we send them a better batter and take back a defender who can’t hit. Atleast Bet from the left side drives in runs
Brandon is the same guy who was advocating Aaron Boone to solve our problems about 3 hrs ago. So take it with a grain of salt.
Don’t worry. Russ is the guy whos first in line for playoff tickets in September.
“Package Betemit with some prospects to Pittsburgh and get a lefty and Mientzciewismwitz back to play 1b and be a def replacement.â€
this is just genius not only do we give Pitt. prospects but we send them a better batter and take back a defender who can’t hit. Atleast Bet from the left side drives in runs
So, having a shutdown lefty in the pen like Grabow or Marte isn’t worth Betemit?? You serious? Where does Betemit PLAY on this team??
I think having a good lefty outweighs the value of Betemit hitting 5 homers every 50 at bats and striking out every other trip.
“Having a 1b on the roster who could actually field the position wouldn’t be a bad thing now would it????”
believe it or not a 1B who can’t hit is actually worse for us. Betemit can play 1B, he just is average at 3B and SS.
Betemit for Proctor was a total steal. We got a versatile player who mashes against the majority pitching type(righties) and can play multiple positions
Proctor has a 5.4 era in 24 IP this season and has given up 6 HRs.
Torre burned him out and it was a complete steal for Cashman to get an actual player for him when it was obvious he was gonna be burned out.
I’d rather see the Attorney General on the team. At least he can play SS and 2b and run.
“Betemit isn’t going anywhere. Cashman loves him. He’s his pet project. He’s what we got for a decent set up guy?? Uggh.”
The above referenced decent set-up guy is pitching to a 5.25 era. Scott Proctor for Betemit is essentially a push IMO
Russ please go on a permanent vacation, loser….
Why would Yanks give anyone up for Doug when they had him and let him go? We don’t need another player to complain about anyway and that’s what he would be.
“So, having a shutdown lefty in the pen like Grabow or Marte isn’t worth Betemit?? You serious? Where does Betemit PLAY on this team??
I think having a good lefty outweighs the value of Betemit hitting 5 homers every 50 at bats and striking out every other trip.”
wakeup the Pirates are not giving us Grabow or Marte for Betemit and who do you want to package w/ Bet, the first thing they ask is Tabata or Jackson, none of those 2 in anyway should be traded for a Marte or Grabow. So where are we getting at ? Who ?
“Betemit isn’t going anywhere. Cashman loves him. He’s his pet project. He’s what we got for a decent set up guy?? Uggh.”
Scott Proctor? He of the 1.41 WHIP and averages about 4.5 walks per nine?
Betemit cannot play SS. Someone didn’t watch spring training games. Hence why they promoted Gonzalez when Jeter went down. He is the 3rd 1b on the roster who can’t run and strikes out every other trip to the plate. What value does he have??
Someone enlighten me. The Pro-Betemit people are really grasping at straws here.
Melky is too streaky so we need to promote a rookie from the minors?
Interesting approach.
Betemit can play a decent SS. 2B is his weakest position. One spring training doesn’t negate a career.
“wakeup the Pirates are not giving us Grabow or Marte for Betemit and who do you want to package w/ Bet, the first thing they ask is Tabata or Jackson, none of those 2 in anyway should be traded for a Marte or Grabow. So where are we getting at ? Who ?”
Who knows who they ask for. I’m not a GM. Packaging Betemit and a pitcher or two or whoever would help this team now wouldn’t it? And you think the pitchers would like having Doug M at 1b???
I’m sorry if anyone thinks Betemit is good but you are out of your minds.
Montclair answer my question first
The problem with Gonzalez being able to play 2nd and SS is that we already have pretty good guy (at least I think they are good) who play that position so basically he wits on the bench on the off chance that one of them gets hurt or we are blowing out a team so he gets the late innings rather than be in Scranton where he can play every day and if god forbid anything happens to one of those two guys we have someone who is fresh and ready to go rather than someone who has been sitting the pine pretty much.
Hmm, looking a bit further into the lists, the NL averages 4.6 runs a game, while the AL averages 4.4; the NL has a bigger gap between ceiling (Cubs at 5.71) and floor (Padres at 3.5). Also, the NL has 3 teams noticably below 4 runs a game (with the Nats highest among them at 3.85). The AL has the Royals at 3.55 and the Blue Jays at 3.92. The AL also has a few around 4 runs a game, then several more teams bunched up in the mid 4’s. The NL on the other hand, seems to climb up, then plateau a bit around the high 4’s. Interesting…
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Pittsburgh’s asking price will be higher than you’d like, Montclair. Unless you wouldn’t mind sending over a Tabata or Austin Jackson for Marte.
Wow- a line-up with the greatest possible amount of production as oppossed to obsession with leftie-rightie match-ups. Hooray!
Give up on the Shelley Duncan obsession- yes, he hit lots of home runs in AAA, but so did Henlsey Muelens. Betemit has more speed and is better defensively. Plus, I think he can hit .134 just as easily as Duncan can.
Melky needs a day off and hasn’t been hitting- how many more times do you want to see rallies dies at the bottom of the line-up?
Only thing I would protest is Molina in there- Moehler is the hot bat. But Molina did have that sweet double this weekend.
Betemit is so good at SS that they promoted Gonzalez after 2 days of watching Betemit play SS. That is what they think of him. that he couldn’t even play 6 games at the position. And he’s the UTL guy???
Please. Spare me. Spin him now while he has trade value.
Melky is awesome in center. He has bailed out the Yankee’s pitchers on a number of instances. I wonder… Does Melky have to stop hitting when Cano is seeing the ball well?
“believe it or not a 1B who can’t hit is actually worse for us. Betemit can play 1B, he just is average at 3B and SS.”
I agree, in fact I think that Betemit would be an above average fielding 1B given enough playing time. Frankly I’d much rather have a guy at first who can hit rather than a guy at first who can field. If Giambi continues improving I’d be okay with him at first for the rest of the season. I think Betemit could fullfill the role of late inning replacement at first.
plus Gonzo needs playing time and has no pop in his bat, he is either a single or double, not a run producer.
imo we already have a 1b who can hit (giambi) but we dont have one who can play 1b. having both would be the way to go. if we had one, he could go in for the 7th, 8th and 9th innings 3-5 days per week when we are winning. we already have duncan and betamit to p/h so it would be very beneficial to have someone who can play defense at 1b (in ensberg’s spot)
i know I’m biased, but doesn’s Melky add more through his defense/arm and servicable bat than Damon? Except that Damon makes $13 million thorugh 09.
Don’t think anyone is in love with Betemit but Minky is not the answer to the Yanks problems.
Torre used to take half the Yanks’ roster.
Right now the RS have legitimate all-stars in Youkilis, Pedroia, Manny, Ortiz and Varitek, plus Papelbon and Matsuzaka. Lowell could slide in on last year’s WS performance. Yanks have Rivera. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
How do you know that Pittsburgh will ask for Austin Jackson for Marte? If they do you hang up and move on to another team and you find a lefty. What’s so hard about it? Huntington in Pitts isn’t Bowden or Chuckie LeMarr. Give him some credit for sense.
Gardner isn’t an upgrade over Melky, he’s not even an equal to Melky. The guy has 5-6 bad games and people want to run him out of town. The only way Gardner gets called up is if there is an injury.
I was watching “first and ten” on ESPN and its amazing how clueless Skip Bayless is, calling the Yankees moving Joba to the rotation “an act of desperation”. How guys like this get their own shows is beyond me.
I’ve been listening to people hype McCutchen for the last few months and I just don’t see what the fuss is all about. Can he really start in the majors? Is his stuff good enough?
In my opinion, the impact starters in our system are guys like Betances (even though he got shelled yesterday), Heredia, Aceves, and Brackman. The problem is that none of these guys are close to being ready. Impact bullpen arms are more plentiful and closer to being ready (Robertson, Cox, Melancon, Sanchez).
I’m going to get killed for saying this….. if Giambi has a decent year I think you have to consider bringing him back on a one-year deal if he’ll take it. Pay the buyout and sign him to a reasonable deal. That’s much better than throwing 140MM at Texiera in my opinion. Its short term and gives us another year to develop the position players in the system. And Giambi’s an OBP machine. As bad as he’s looked his stats are above average for 1st baseman. And he doesn’t even play every day. A Texiera deal will only hurt the team long term. Its deals like that that make the roster inflexible like it is now. Its why we can’t trade 3/4 of the roster. No one wants the bloated salaries and dead weight.
The only guy I’d try and trade is Damon. He has a year and a half left on his deal. 13MM is obviously more than he’s worth, but his salary is not that insane when you look at some of the other contracts out there. Then you bring up Gardner, get faster, better defensively, and get younger. But you don’t bring him up to replace Melky. That’s just silly.
“O Dog
May 27th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Betemit isn’t going anywhere. Cashman loves him. He’s his pet project. He’s what we got for a decent set up guy?? Uggh.”
If Scott Proctor qualifies as a decent set-up guy, then the Yanks bullpen is better than I thought! This year Proctor has a 1.41 WHIP and a 5.25 ERA. And he’s given up 6 HRs! By way of comparison, Farnsworthy is 1.50/7 and Hawkins is 1.31/6.08/2. All in the same neighborhood.
As someone said earlier, if the opponent is starting a lefty, you’re not playing Shelley, and you don’t use Ensberg, there is no reason for Ensberg to be on the roster. Betemit is not a good right-hand batter. At all. When A Rod was out, by the end, Girardi was playing the Attorney General against lefties. Ensberg literally has no role. It’s a wasted roster spot. I think Cash and Girardi have to get on the same page on Ensberg and something has to give (either Girardi plays him in situations like tonight, or Cash DFAs him).
Betemit is so good at SS that they promoted Gonzalez after 2 days of watching Betemit play SS. That is what they think of him. that he couldn’t even play 6 games at the position. And he’s the UTL guy???
I say keep Betemit, get rid of Ensberg, call up Gonzalez. In my opinion Gonzalez will never be more than a backup for the Yanks (he will never replace Jeter or Cano hes just not good enough). If thats the case (which is up for debate) then he won’t be damaged by getting less play time. I could make the same argument for Gardner but I think he could actually become a regular on this team in the future. In my opinion the best bench we could assemble is Betemit, Molina, Gardner, Gonzalez. For the sake of Gardner’s development I’d keep him in AAA though and maybe keep Duncan for the time being.
I’d rather have Minky on the roster at this point than Betemit. What point does Betemit serve? He cant play SS and hes slow and he strikes out all the time. At least Minky can play Gold Glove caliber defense at 1b.
Betemit has less purpose on this roster than Ensberg.
i hop the red sox nation keeps stuffing the ballot box. who caaaares?!?
I’d much rather have arod and Jetes relaxing, healing and blowing off steam to prepare for a busy final 3 1/2 months of the season. Let manny, ortiz, lowell and company deal with the hoopla and BS.
Gardner doesn’t hit enough to play everyday. The guy has no power. As a 4th outfielder. Fine.
Regarding the last thread which is now gone dry of comments, I agree with giving Edwar Ramirez a shot in the 8th until he proves otherwise.
I personally don’t agree with handing the 8th to one pitcher at this point in the Yankees season. Not with this team and this specific bullpen. The hot hand should get the 8th, and as of now in my opinion it’s Ramirez.
My main problem with the pen as of right now is Kyle Farnsworth, and not just because I cringe every time he gets the ball.
Farnsworth almost dictates his rules; no back-to-back games and no multi-inning appearances. That limits a lot of flexibility for the bullpen. Not only that, but he’s Kyle Farnsworth, not Mariano Rivera, or even J.J. Putz for that matter. He shouldn’t be able to dictate his terms the way he pitches.
With Joba transitioning we are essentially down a reliever. If Farnsworth pitches one day, he can’t go the next, and then we are down 2 guys. Say Joba starts soon (without sending down another starter) and throws a lot of pitches and only gets through 5 innings. Are we supposed to burn out Ohlendorf and Ramirez in June/July just so Farnsworth can ride the pine for a day? I’d much rather see Chris Britton or Jeff Karstens in the pen with their flexibility than Farnsworth.
His uncontrollable fastball and dicey slider are nothing more than deadweight loss at this point. Signed for the 8th inning, proven to be unable to do it, time to move on, for flexibility’s sake.
At least Hawkins can eat up 2 garbage innings at a time.
Jeter, Giambi, Matsui, A-rod, Rivera, and Wang are all in the mix for the allstar game.
Which also doesn’t matter and is not any kind of indication that anything has fallen.
Pedroia is a legit allstar? With his 95 OPS+??? or is it his average defense that puts him over the top?
Cano should be an allstar based on his defense alone compared to Pedroia.
Is it too much to ask for a win tonight?
“Jeter, Giambi, Matsui, A-rod, Rivera, and Wang are all in the mix for the allstar game.”
Wang is the only one who deserves it. Maybe Matsui.
How can you defend Betemit? What has he shown since last July? A few bombs? The guy is a tease. Take it from someone that watched him all the time in LA. He teases you with size and power and he is a total dud. That guarantees he hits a homer tonight.
I don’t get bent out of shape over all star voting. I just don’t care too much.
Yes, 162 games is a long season but at some point the Yankees have to take on the reasoning that wins in April and May count as much as wins in August and September.
Short of calling this a giveway game, a lineup like this would never be used in late September if the standings showed a differential of 1 or 2 games.
“Is it too much to ask for a win tonight?”
Vs Burress and his Cy Young performances vs us? It might be.
“Right now the RS have legitimate all-stars in Youkilis, Pedroia, Manny, Ortiz and Varitek, plus Papelbon and Matsuzaka.”
Pedroia – .728 OPS
Manny – .866 OPS
Ortiz – .835 OPS
Youk – .918 OPS
Varitek – .844 OPS
Giambi is having a better season than Ortiz and Matsui is having a better season than Manny. The only guys on that list you mention that deserve an all-star bid are Youkilis and Papelbon.
Betemit will K three times.
“Pedroia – .728 OPS
Manny – .866 OPS
Ortiz – .835 OPS
Youk – .918 OPS
Varitek – .844 OPS
Giambi is having a better season than Ortiz and Matsui is having a better season than Manny. The only guys on that list you mention that deserve an all-star bid are Youkilis and Papelbon.”
So OPS is the only factor in deciding All star votes now??
“Cano should be an allstar based on his defense alone compared to Pedroia.”
The media starts blushing when they get to witness Pedroia dive needlessly (like a balding boy in the sandlot) for balls that Cano would effortlessly glide to…
but Cano is the one that gets ripped because apparently his gliding appears to be too “nonchalant”. maybe Cano should start rolling around on the field after ground balls as well.
“Wang is the only one who deserves it. Maybe Matsui.”
It doesn’t matter who deserves it. Right now, the Red Sox are winning almost every position. We cannot have an All Star Game at the Stadium where most of the spots are taken by Red Sox. Vote for all Yankee players whether they are hitting .300 or not!!
Who are you going to put in over Jeter at short stop? Sucktastic though he may be, he is still at the top of the SS’s in the AL. Michael Young has a .20 point higher OPS, but its still under 800! SS is a disaster in the AL this year.
Giambi is 2nd in the league at 1st.
Matsui is 2nd!!! in the league at DH. yes, he even beats ORTIZ. only Milton Bradley is better(who by the way the Yankees would have signed if Torre didn’t refuse to play him).
A-rod is great, all star!
To all those pining for Doug Mientkiewicz, consider his 2008 stats:
.207 BA/.316 OBP/.305 Slugging
His defense at first is not worth having yet another guy on the roster who can’t hit.
“So OPS is the only factor in deciding All star votes now??”
I don’t believe anyone ever said that. He was responding to another poster saying all those guys were legitimate all-stars.
“Cano should be an allstar based on his defense alone compared to Pedroia.”
..I love Cano, but you can’t be serious. Cano had a miserable start to the season offensively, and although he has a great glove, is he making unbelievable plays that warrant him an All-Star Spot?
Pedroia
What is the All-star criteria?!!? IS IT POPULARITY(yes)?
Who should the true all-stars be?!?!?! Some combination of offense and defense?! (yes)
Red Sox are winning on name recognition, they don’t necessarily deserve to be an allstar
“Giambi is having a better season than Ortiz and Matsui is having a better season than Manny.”
Ortiz: 247 12 40 .355 .479
Giambi: 230 9 24 .387 .508
You should get your facts right before you say absurd things like that. 16 more RBI’s is ridiculous.
Pedroia has a 700 ops
Cano has a 600 ops
Cano is way better on defense
Pedroia is the size of a roomba
I was using hyperbole to make a point about Pedroia’s abilities, but it would not be inconceivable for Cano to make it over Pedroia.
The point I was trying to make was that this roster should have a good lefty reliever and a great defensive 1b.
I’d take Minky over Betemit anyday of the week. And I’d beg for a Marte or a Grabow.
It is flat out ridiculous that a 225$ mill payroll doesn’t have a lefty or a real 1b on it.
For all the knocks against Betemit, watch him be the star of the game tonight.
JB: RBIs are not an indicator of player ability
Mitch- Id rather have a gold glove first baseman that cant hit than a Wilson Betemit than cant hit or field.
“Ortiz: 247 12 40 .355 .479
Giambi: 230 9 24 .387 .508
You should get your facts right before you say absurd things like that. 16 more RBI’s is ridiculous.”
You do realize that RBI are based upon people getting on base ahead of you right?
mitch, you put mientkiewicz in ensberg’s place and this is a much better team. it doesnt matter if he never hits, he doesnt start, he just finishes.
with our all rh bp, other teams are stacking thier LH hitters and keeping a lh bat on the bench to face our bullpen. to have doug there in place of giambi late in games is a big plus. and all you lose is ensberg off the roster to do it.
Thank you Mitch a beautiful .621 OPS
and vs LHP .083/.154/.083 and an OPS of .237 yeh great guy to choose, I for the life of me can not understand why people call for this guy.
“Pedroia is the size of a roomba”
This is hilarious.
“Pedroia is the size of a roomba”
this made today’s comments worth reading
thanks!
“Let manny, ortiz, lowell and company deal with the hoopla and BS.”
Because they’ve never dealt with hoopla and BS well before? Two of them dealt with a 3-0 playoff series deficit, the other one dealt with two 3-1 deficits. All lead to championships.
The fact is the ASG is a fans thing and right now the Sox are the Champs and are in 1st place and their manager picks the reserves.
Get used to seeing Varitek, Peds, Dice K on the team.
Pete,
Bringing up Brett Gardiner as a replacement for Melky is just silly. He is a lefty hiting outfielder with no power. The Yankees need another left-handed hitter?
Please!
“with our all rh bp, other teams are stacking thier LH hitters and keeping a lh bat on the bench to face our bullpen.”
Has this been a problem that has plagued the Yankees this year? I’m talking about not having a LH reliever in the pen?
I don’t feel like lookign it up but I’m pretty sure that it’s not a major problem.
Edwar Ramirez can pitch to lefties if that’s the case. His change up is death to left handers.
“You do realize that RBI are based upon people getting on base ahead of you right?”
I forgot that Giambi hits behind Damon, Jeter, Abreu, A-Rod, and Matsui.
How dare I forget that.
We had a lefty. His name was Billy Traber. Great lefty stats last season and this spring training. Then he bombed.
Beyond that, who would want to trade a good lefty?
Right now, a good bat has far greater priority for a position player, as the offense is the largest weakness. As SJ pointed out, if you take out the games against the Mariners, the offense drops to below 4 runs a game. No pitching staff can make up for that (see: Cleveland).
The handedness of a pitcher doesn’t matter, so long as they can get out the side they are brought in to get a out.
I’d rather have a righty who dominates lefties than Mike Myers.
When has Giambi made a bad play in late innings that cost the Yanks the game this year? Minky is left handed and wouldn’t platoon with Giambi. How is he going to help this team with his Left hand bat and Mendoza numbers?
personally i couldnt care less who’s on the all star team. i have less interest in that game than in the average 1st week of ST game. i take a 3 day hiatus from baseball during the break.
” RBIs are not an indicator of player ability”
that’s sabermetric cliche ad dogma, and open to debate.
well no offense hornblower but Melky has been struggling from the right and left side, mostly the right and incase you missed it Gardner is killing LHP in AAA and showing power.
Not having a good lefty in the pen is a big problem. Do people forget how valuable Mike Stanton was?? A lefty who was great to both right and left hand batters. It should have been a priority this off season. Especially in a division with Ortiz and Crawford and Pena and Markakis etc.
I’m pretty sure 100% of knowledgeable baseball fans would take Ortiz over Giambi without even thinking on it for 2 seconds.
Here’s the problem with Betemit.
For him to have any actual trade value he needs to start smoking the ball. But, if he starts smoking the ball and giving this team serious offensive production, he has too much value to this team and they won’t trade him.
He’s clearly not a defensive specialist. Teams will want him for his bat and if his bat starts to come through, the Yankees will want to keep him.
And let’s stop the ludicrous cries for the return for Dougie M. The guy can’t hit. Not a lick. Unless he’s a bench player who comes in the late innings to play for Giambi, he has no value to this team. We should trade nothing for him, unless you can trick the Pirates into taking Igawa or Damon’s contract for him.
The Pirates are playing him at 3b for crying out loud. He’s still not hitting his weight over there.
As for Melky, I think he come out so hot we all thought we were seeing the beginnings of a 25-30HR CF with great defense.
He still very well might be that, but the pace he began the season at had to level off a bit.
The thing that I can’t understand is Cashman actually tried to address getting RH hitters who could handle LH pitching this season. He knew it was a weakness and in the pre-season I definitely thought the addition of Ensberg and Shelley were going to make us a dominant lineup against lefties.
I can’t put it on Cashman in that respect because he did the job and found RH guys who should have prevented this against lefties.
Shelley really needs to start producing. I’m not sure why Ensberg is still on the team. He’s not even Arod insurance since when Arod was out, he barely played.
I wonder if Ensberg survives because they’re afraid another team grabs him off waivers and he starts raking for them? I just don’t see the point in having him when they have ceased using him vs. lefties for a few weeks now.
you missed the point. i wasnt saying we need a lh rp. i was saying that since we have an all-rh pen it makes sense to have a good glove man at 1b for late-game situations.
as far as his bat, i couldnt care if a late-game defensive replacement ever gets a hit. its assumed that we’re winning when he goes in and if we lose the lead, you ph for him.
Men on opps:
Ortiz – 117
Giambi – 84
They have the same amount of RBI’s from the bases being cleared.
Giambi also has half as many chances with RISP
“I forgot that Giambi hits behind Damon, Jeter, Abreu, A-Rod, and Matsui.
How dare I forget that.”
You do realize that they aren’t getting on base as much this year as they have in the past. You also realize that ARod missed nearly half of the games this year.
You keep trying through. Eventually something you throw at the wall will stick.
Giambi is making less outs and hitting the ball with more authority than Ortiz. Two things that matter a lot in my opinion.
Also I believe the original comparison was between Matsui and Ortiz since Matsui has been DH’ing a lot.
Matsui is having a FAR better season than Ortiz.
“”Because they’ve never dealt with hoopla and BS well before? Two of them dealt with a 3-0 playoff series deficit, the other one dealt with two 3-1 deficits. All lead to championships.”"
that’s exactly my point, let them work the overtime for the break. I’d much rather have our boys rest up and focus on the second half rather than answer the same stupid questions and photo ops. As much as you would love your sawx to be in the all star game i would bet they they’d rather spend a couple of days by the pool or making sweet sweet love to their lady loves.
c’mon get serious, I got excited for the all star game when I was 13 only because we never had a chance to see Righetti pitch to strawberry or Dwight pitch to mattingly. But now with interleague who cares? it’s forgettable pomp and fluff.
Posada played catch in the outfield and threw to the bases during a pregame workout Tuesday before he caught six innings and went 3-for-6 with a double in his second extended spring game.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3414337
Randy:
RBIs require your team to be participating for them to happen, not counting home runs.
I don’t think there is much debate in that fact. A great player can play on a crappy team and not be able to get as many RBIs, or be required to put in a super human effort to reach as many RBIs as a merely good player on a great team
If you really think that Betemit is the answer on the bench and for 1b then I can’t really argue with you because it’s pointless. They brought him in to be the UTL infielder. Not to be the defensive 1b. He has proven he can’t be a SS-2b.
I’d just like someone on the roster who could play 1b and give the pitchers some confidence.
good point jerkface, I agree.
hey I’m not for not trading Betemit but give me a legit option, Bill Hall in Milwaukee is a perfect option, he’s getting disgruntled in Mil, they benched him for Russell Branyan and told him it’s because they need a LHB, he kills LHP pitching and gets up for big games especially rival games, that is an option I would understand, But Dougie M. aka “eyechart” please.
Jerkface May 27th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Men on opps:
Ortiz – 117
Giambi – 84
They have the same amount of RBI’s from the bases being cleared.
Giambi also has half as many chances with RISP
You think Giambi is better than Ortiz????
I’ve heard it all.
Speaking of the all star game. Maybe Abreu should go back to the homerun derby this year. It could possibly do the reverse effect on him and all of a sudden. We’ll have a 40 homerun right fielder. Cant hurt.
90% of this blog wanted Giambi cut last week and now he’s better than Ortiz?
Milwaukee could be sellers soon so you may see Hall on the market along with Sheets and most of their bullpen.
11-4 Yankees tonight and we are BACK in BIZZ !!!
Why are people making the argument: “The Yanks are better with Minky than Betemit” as if those are the two options?
The fact that Betemit is not what any contender should want getting major ABs at first does not suddenly make Minky into a player that a team with zero offense on the bench should want on its roster. And to give up a young player to boot!
So, I reject the “these are my two options” premise.
it seems that everyone here wants texiera next season (although somebody above stood up for bringing big g back) but there may be other options. apparently, the phils are not happy paying howard huge money and there is some specialation that milwaukee might be willing to part with fielder. i havent seen enough of fielder to know his worth, but howard is a stud although there is concern about him setting a new K record.
any thoughts?
I’d love this team to get Bill Hall.
“When has Giambi made a bad play in late innings that cost the Yanks the game this year?”
Actually, he HAS hurt the team a couple times late in games with defensive miscues. I don’t think you could hang a game on him, necessarily, but he’s definitely given up a few extra outs late in games.
burress gets lit up tonight
Still 6 weeks to go but Francona couldn’t keep a straight face justifying any of his starters for an all star appearance over 6 other AL pitchers. Papelbon is the only Sox pitcher who deserves consideration.
Wonder if Manny will show up this year? Gold Glovers usually do.
Bill Hall in 2008:
.220/.292/.418 9 HR, 22 RBI.
Career games at first: zero.
Or, in other words, a Giambi without the OBP, who won’t be a natural fielding the position. Pass.
For the people who dont care about the all star game.
THIS TIME IT MATTERS!! REALLY! I dont care if the whole red sox team is out there. As long as we get the win. The Yankees will have the home field advantage in the W.S.
For the first and only time. I will be rooting for the sox.
Have you fellas watched Betemit at the plate this yr???
Awful doesn’t begin to describe it. I know hes been banged up but man. His approach is terrible. And he’s position less unless you think hes a 1b.
As far as this season goes, Giambi does get on base at a better rate than Ortiz does (and higher slugging than Ortiz, for that matter)
What’s the case for 2008 Ortiz being better than 2008 Giambi? The RBI difference loses significance given that Ortiz has had more chances to build up RBIs than Giambi has (…which points back to the whole our offense is struggling idea
).
If the idea of Giambi being better than Ortiz seems so preposterous, then I hope that there is a solid case for Ortiz being equal or better.
Aside: Matsui is kicking most of the AL’s rear
montclair,
I mentioned Sheets earlier. I wouldnt mind getting him for half of the year as long as it doesnt cost us much. Worth taking the risk for.
Now that Giambi is better than Ortiz. Can we trade his sorry rear and dump his salary on someone else?
NO TEXIERA
NO TEXIERA
NO TEXIERA
“the phils are not happy paying howard huge money and there is some specialation that milwaukee might be willing to part with fielder. i havent seen enough of fielder to know his worth, but howard is a stud although there is concern about him setting a new K record.
any thoughts?”
If I had a choice between Howard and Fielder I’d take Fielder. Fielder is younger and just as much of a monster with the bat.
However if either one of them went on the trading block Milwaukee and Philly would want both minor league and major league talent back in my opinion.
So for me the question is would I trade Cano or Hughes plus assorted minor leaguers for Fielder or Howard. For Howard my answer is no, for Fielder I might think about it.
“90% of this blog wanted Giambi cut last week and now he’s better than Ortiz?”
yup because he kept hitting into that stupid shift w/ runners on base, lately he’s shown life BTW no one is saying he will be better than Ortiz this season but right now they aren’t that far off, Giambi in 9 games less and 68 less ABs actually matches Ortiz quite well, and you can’t assume RBI totals, that has more to do w/ Damon and Jetes who you need to remember weren’t getting on much this season until recently.
Ortiz
.247/.355/.479… 12 HR 40 RBI
Giambi
.230/.387/.508… 9 HR 24 RBI
“Milwaukee could be sellers soon so you may see Hall on the market along with Sheets and most of their bullpen.”
I’d only want Hall or LaPorta from them nothing else. Sheets is an injury risk and not worth prospects, if Betemit plus a relief pitcher can land NYY Bill Hall you do it.
i never advocated minky in betamits spot, i said give him ensberg’s spot .
ham fighter: On the other hand, if Milwaukee decides to keep Fielder, that could free up LaPorta for a trade; from what I read here, he’s make a rather tantalizing 1st basemen
“Bill Hall in 2008:
.220/.292/.418 9 HR, 22 RBI.
Career games at first: zero.
Or, in other words, a Giambi without the OBP, who won’t be a natural fielding the position. Pass.”
Bill Hall vs LHP .409/.490/.705 and an OPS of 1.195
played 2B, SS, 3B, CF..that usually means you can play 1B
feel like passing now
I’m pretty sure 100% of knowledgeable baseball fans would take Ortiz over Giambi without even thinking on it for 2 seconds.
90% of this blog wanted Giambi cut last week and now he’s better than Ortiz?
100%..90%.. nice made up statistics guys.
Go look at the real statistics, they show Giambi has a higher SLG and a higher OBP than Ortiz. Both of those stats are more important than RBI’s or BA. And surprisingly enough, according to the hardball times, Giambi is only a slightly worse fielder than the beloved Kevin Youkilis. .667 vs .689 RZR
hamfighter,
I want a first baseman that can hit and play D. Like Tino and Donny. Im not sure if Howard or Fielder fit the bill(havnt seen much of them on D).I am not on the Tex bandwaggon. 2 reasons. He allways starts off slow and we will be in to him for at least 6 years. If anyone else knows someone we can trade for that can do both things. I would like to know.
Giambi is having a statistically better season than Ortiz.
Its not outlandish.
Also we’re talking about the FREAKING ALL STAR GAME.
Giambi, based on stats, is more worthy of the All-star game than Ortiz.
Its not hard.
Would I want Ortiz on my team over Giambi? Of course! If I had room at DH i’d take him in a heart beat. He is a younger and has good power and discipline, despite not being able to play the field without being hurt and being a gigantic whiner about everything that goes on.
I’d only want Hall or LaPorta from them nothing else. Sheets is an injury risk and not worth prospects, if Betemit plus a relief pitcher can land NYY Bill Hall you do it.
I’d want Ryan Braun
“howard is a stud although there is concern about him setting a new K record.
any thoughts?”
We have enough one dimensional players.
We need a better fielder at 1B, with Pop.
Only Texeira meets that criteria among the players you mentioned.
miggs,
I agree with the NO TEX. But for the first time. I have to disagree about signing Giambi for 1 more year. I am counting down the months,days,hours till we are through with this mess. I dont care if he has a great year. Same goes for Moose. Fool me once.
BBFan I doubt Hal wants to payout more than 80 million through revenue sharing like daddy Steinbrenner did. It actually ends up fielding thier competition.
“I’d want Ryan Braun ”
can I get Jessica Alba and Vida Guerra w/ that.
It outrages me when people want Melky traded or sent down to AAA because of this “mini-slump.” Are you kidding me? Melky Cabrera WAS our offense in April, I am disappointed in you, Peter.
“RBIs require your team to be participating for them to happen, not counting home runs.
I don’t think there is much debate in that fact.”
take this with some sense of humor.
some players are more clutch than others.
being around ortiz forced bill james to admit he was wrong about clutch play existing. some players are better at knocking in runs than others.even james had to admit it.
what you mean is there is not much debate in sabermetric circles.
in other circles rbis are an important factor in judging a hitter.
Cash could totally get Braun for Wilson Betemit, Chase Wright, Kei Igawa and Jeff Marquez. How could the Brewers turn down a deal for 3 major league ready pitchers and a slugging 3B?
One day you got people here saying Wang is better than Beckett. The next? Giambi better than Ortiz. Can’t wait for tomorrow where I read Melky is better than Ellsbury.
“One day you got people here saying Wang is better than Beckett. The next? Giambi better than Ortiz. Can’t wait for tomorrow where I read Melky is better than Ellsbury.”
no one is saying he will be better than Ortiz this season but right now they aren’t that far off, Giambi in 9 games less and 68 less ABs actually matches Ortiz quite well, and you can’t assume RBI totals, that has more to do w/ Damon and Jetes who you need to remember weren’t getting on much this season until recently.
Ortiz
.247/.355/.479… 12 HR 40 RBI
Giambi
.230/.387/.508… 9 HR 24 RBI
I want to trade Melky, Kennedy, Gonzalez for an unhappy Ichiro
“100%..90%.. nice made up statistics guys. Go look at the real statistics, they show Giambi has a higher SLG and a higher OBP than Ortiz. Both of those stats are more important than RBI’s or BA. And surprisingly enough, according to the hardball times, Giambi is only a slightly worse fielder than the beloved Kevin Youkilis. .667 vs .689 RZR”
Patrick:
I said 100% of knowledgeable fans would take Ortiz over Giambi. How is that made up numbers?
Who here wants Giambi over Ortiz? Prove my 100% wrong.
If there is a circle of people who judge players on RBIs, I don’t want to be a part of it.
Jorge Cantu once had 100 RBIs. He is also not very good.
Patrick they extended his contract, basically “franchised” him
Where was Giambi when A-Rod was hurt?? What did he bat?? He couldn’t crack .200. So he has a good 5 games vs Baltimore and Seattle and now hes having a better season that Ortiz??
Ortiz has played all yr and has his team in 1st place.
ok I’ll be back later, lets keep this thing going
WAKE THE F… UP !
Because scoring runs and driving runs in aren’t a part of the game, Jerkface.
Sometimes you can be blinded by the stats to forget that this game is about WHO SCORES MORE RUNS.
The All-Star voting and game. two words WHO CARES
No way Francona doesn’t take Dice-K (8-0, 2.40), even with all those walks. And last I looked, Pedroia was second in the league in hits. Varitek’s a rock. Intangibles count.
I’ve seen enough of Ortiz the past 4 years to know that clutch is real and that “presence” in a lineup means something for everyone in that lineup. Example of that? Us this year with A-Rod.
Giambi was Ortiz 8 years ago. Now he is a shell of his former self who if he didn’t make 20 mill a yr wouldn’t be on this team right now.
“Who here wants Giambi over Ortiz? Prove my 100% wrong.”
The fans who cant stand any ex red sox players on our team. Damon,Clemens,that lefty in the pen that sucked. NO MORE RED SOX RETREADS. Keep in mind, thats coming from someone who hates Giambi. Manny at dh. Maybe.
Booo @ Damon in CF, I know this would never happen, but I’d seriously rather see Abreu there. At least he’s got an arm and Johnny could play left and just run over and grab anything near the wall. ha
As for I Want My WB, I agree Shelley hasn’t been doing much so ya gotta at least give Bet a chance. Strange that they wouldn’t wait for tomorrow to give him that chance against a righty though, but maybe he is indeed batting LH, that would be interesting! Maybe he hit Burress last year…lord knows no one else really has! Hopefully that will change tonight what with him facing the same lineup 2 starts in a row.
“Ortiz has played all yr and has his team in 1st place.”
2 things wrong with this statement
1) sorry to break the news, but the rays are in 1st
2) Ortiz sucked in April too. Do you even watch your team?
“Ortiz has played all yr and has his team in 1st place.”
Ortiz plays for the Rays?
“One day you got people here saying Wang is better than Beckett. The next? Giambi better than Ortiz. Can’t wait for tomorrow where I read Melky is better than Ellsbury.”
Yeah, and it’s a good thing we got that “Jeter is better than Lugo” nonsense cleared up long ago. Hate to go through that old argument again. Only thing worse is “Rivera is better than Papelbon.” And don’t get me started on that “Pettitte is better than Masterson” tripe.
THE MIGHTY RED SOX who will win 173 games without needing a second wind.
Really, the only difference between Giambi and Ortiz that matters is that Giambi stopped using the steroids.
“Who here wants Giambi over Ortiz? Prove my 100% wrong.” _ If your talking first base then you go with Giambi. DH you take Godzilla, Next question.
chase wright is on the dl, so thats not happening anytime soon.
btw-horne finished his extended ST and will start somewhere sunday (not determined yet if its tampa, trenton or scranton)
as always, thanks to cjennings.
This all star discussion is a waste of time…..just my opinion. I don’t care if 10 Yankees make the team or no Yankees make the team. I certainly don’t care how many Red Sox make the team.
If anything, I’d rather our guys get rest and be ready for the 2nd half.
One thing I don’t know…. does Gardner have a good arm? I know he’s lightning quick and has good range, but can he throw anyone out?
Patrick …. Your Zone Rating comparison between Giambi and Youkilis leads you to conclude that there’s not much difference between the two (defensively).
Youkilis holds the MLB record for consecutive errorless chances at first. Youkilis actually throws the ball (accurately) to the other bases. Youkilis is solid on thrown balls. Youkils’ defensive skills are sufficient to enable him to fill in capably at third base.
Giambi would be better compared to a player from another era, Dick Stuart (”Dr. Strangeglove”). You can believe Zone Ratings. I’ll believe “my lying eyes.”
“I know he’s lightning quick and has good range, but can he throw anyone out?”
I know one thing. He wont through a 12 hopper home. I saw him through in spring. Id say Matsui like. Could be wrong.
randy: The thing about RBI (as a stand alone stat) is that it’s just so dependent on having people on base in the first place. There could be a guy who happens to be absolutely brilliant at batting when there’s someone in scoring position, for one reason or another. But his RBIs would suffer if he also happened to be on a low scoring team that didn’t get on base much, right?
also, I haven’t read all the posts re speculation of so and so being willing to part with so and so…but I live in Philly and from watching Ryan Howard, I would definitely not want him on the Yankees. He’s so one-dimensional, K’s like it’s going out of style, his defense is not that great and is more frustating to watch in a slump than Giambi and Cano combined. I’d be more interested in Fielder but his defense is awful also.
As far as the All-Star game, the only thing that matters to me is that Mo gets to close it out.
over under on if they get the game in tonight weather not looking so good scatter t storms uo until 10pm then few showers through the night
How is the weather down there? I don’t want another rain-out.
“Patrick they extended his contract, basically “franchised†him”
I know, I was joking.
Heres a fun question, if you could choose one player in the league to be on your team who would it be? Don’t pick based on need. I’d pick Braun or Hanley Ramirez.
Sorry,
meant throw.
Predictions for tonight.
Kennedy 6innings 2 runs 4k’s 2bb
Jeter 3 for 4
Betimet k only once
Giambi 0-2 2BB
Arod 2 for 4 1 dinger
Cano 2 for 4 double
Damon gets an assist at home.(not really)
Yanks win 7-3
“As far as the All-Star game, the only thing that matters to me is that Mo gets to close it out.”
Isnt he the all time leader in saves in the all stars as well?
Can we all give thanks that we aren’t fans of the NY Mets? Let us pray.
The only players we should compare on the Sox and Yanks are Lester/Bucholz and Hughes/Kennedy
That mismatch is why the Sox are ahead of us right now. But Rasner/Chamberlain will make it interesting.
The All Star Game means nothing to me. I could see if they played to win but making sure everyone plays doesn’t do it for me.
“Predictions for tonight.
Kennedy 6innings 2 runs 4k’s 2bb”
I’ll sign for that from IPK but the way Burress owns us I don’t know if its enough.
Kevin-Amen
Patrick …. Your Zone Rating comparison between Giambi and Youkilis leads you to conclude that there’s not much difference between the two (defensively).
Youkilis holds the MLB record for consecutive errorless chances at first. Youkilis actually throws the ball (accurately) to the other bases. Youkilis is solid on thrown balls. Youkils’ defensive skills are sufficient to enable him to fill in capably at third base.
Giambi would be better compared to a player from another era, Dick Stuart (â€Dr. Strangegloveâ€). You can believe Zone Ratings. I’ll believe “my lying eyes.â€
Obviously Youkilis is a better first baseman than Giambi but hes not nearly as good as Red Sox fans make him out to be. The facts are that he has fielded less balls out of his zone (OOZ) than Giambi has this year and his zone rating is only slighly better than Giambi’s. I’m sorry to burst your bubble but Ortiz has been worse than Giambi this season and Youkilis isn’t a god in the field like you think he is.
I would like to apologize to the whole Blog for answering a troll the other day. I will try to refrain in the future.
Prediction: IPK pitches great, Burres cruises through 4 but in the 5th gets knocked out. A-Rod and Betemit both hit jacks. Melky ends up playing in the game.
Yankees win 8-2.
Patrick:
You can get away with comparing the offense of Giambi with Ortiz at this point but you completely lose credibility saying he is not far behind Youkliss defensively at 1b. Come on.
Has Scott Hatteberg been mentioned here today as an option at 1st? He was DFA’d by the Reds.
Id take Pavano fielding at first over Giambi. Zambrano or Owings pinch hitting for him.
“hes not nearly as good as Red Sox fans make him out to be. The facts are that he has fielded less balls out of his zone (OOZ) than Giambi has this year and his zone rating is only slighly better than Giambi’s. I’m sorry to burst your bubble but Ortiz has been worse than Giambi this season and Youkilis isn’t a god in the field like you think he is.”
Comments like this one give Yank fans a bad name especially where I come from. My eyes don’t lie to me. And no stat you bring up will defend Giambi at 1b. None.
Gimabi’s .OPS is higher than Ortiz this year as well as for their careers. Does that mean I would rather have Giambi than Ortiz? No.
But they are pretty much the same player. Giambi’s a few years older, but they are both bloated DHs who should never be allowed to wear a fielding glove. Once neither of them can hit, they have little to no value to any team.
Buddy,
Yes. As i stated,I would take him over our first base options anyday.
As far as voting for the All-Star Game is concerned. The way it’s set up, it is a popularity contest. In that spirit, it behooves fans to go out and vote for their favorites, and that usually means players from the team they root for. It is ever so much easier to vote for, say, Robinson Cano, if he’s having a great year, but in light of the fact that the ASG is at Yankee Stadium this year, it really would be depressing if most of the starters were from the hated, dreaded, “evil” (j/k) Boston Red Sox.
Vote for the Yankees, whether they deserve it or not. Tell yourself that you’re voting based on second half statistics. Because even if want to vote based on how a player is doing, you’re only voting on first half statistics – you have no idea whether any particular player is going to continue to have an all-star year, even if it started out that way. And if Robby Cano goes on a tear like he did last year, and helps the Yankees to the playoffs, then he should get votes. Or you could vote based on last year’s stats. Whatever. But vote for Yankees.
Also, if they really wanted the BEST players in the ASG, they would list at least the players’ basic stats (HR, RBI, AVG) on the ballot, and the do not do that. In order to vote for the best, you either have to be involved in a fantasy league where yo know every players’ stats, or you have to be very diligent and look up the stats for every player on the ballot. But I’ve sung this song before, and I’ll stop now.
Giambi’s come around a bit, and I’m really happy about that. I’ve said all along that as long as the Yankees seem to be committed to playing him, I might as well root for him to do well. But I want no part of him for next season at all. I would love Teixeira, and I don’t care if it’s for 6 years. If there’s a better all-around 1B out there, I’d be all for that, but I’m too lazy to do the research.
But no more either/or 1B. It ends up being a real liability in the long run.
“The All-Star voting and game. two words WHO CARES”
You’ll care if the Yankees make it out of the AL to get to the WS. Unfortunately, the All Star game determines home field advantage. As bad as we are on the road, this would come in handy.
Call me crazy, but the thought of the Red Sox standing at almost every base during the All Star game makes me physically ill. I see that some other people here don’t care, but it bothers me. I guess I despise the Crock Sox more than most.
Based on performance….Mauer should be catcher not varitek, morneau and youk are neck and neck……manny isnt even performing top 3 in OF’s…..
Popularity at its best….varitek at catcher is the real kicker for me. I can respect pedroia and youk and manram
Give Betemit to the Reds and take Hatteberg back. At least he can get on base and play SS. I bet he’s even a better SS than Wilson.
Patrick – Youkilis did win a Gold Glove last year, so he MUST be the best fielding First baseman (that’s sarcasm – the Gold Gloves are a joke).
I don’t think that Sox fans overstate his defensive ability. He’s not flashy, but very solid. I assume that you don’t want to even try to defend Giambi as a Firstbaseman, so I’ll leave that alone.
Giambi has had an OK year offensively, as has Ortiz. I would note that Ortiz is in the Top 5 in HRs and RBI, which used to be important stats back before Bill James destroyed all of my ancient axioms.
Isn’t it odd that even though there aren’t that many LHP in the league compared to RHP, the Yankees seem to always face a lefty.
Crazy.
If you got a beef with who’s in the All Star Game then go out and vote 500 times for your fav’s.
lol melkys 7th haha shows who’s voting
Doreen,
You sure you want to sign Tex for 6? He is batting 267 with 5 homers. Melky has more bombs than he does. If he cant cut it this year in Atlanta. How can we expect him to cut it in New York? With 10X the pressure and scrutiny. Again, if it was a short term. I would consider. Giambi has made me very nervous giving anyone a long term deal.
Sorry Home field for the WS still doesn’t make me care about the all-star game. I won’t vote an I won’t watch
Doreen no offense but your comments on Texiera are a perfect example of why the yankees are in the predicament they are in now.
“I would love Teixeira, and I don’t care if it’s for 6 years.” This has been the Yankees brass thinking for years now. Its 2008, we are paying for mistakes made in 2001, 2003 and 2004.
When will fans learn? The long term big money contracts RARELY pan out at the end. They’re great for the first few years, then they kill the team for the last 3-4 years. WE’ve seen it over and over again. Adding Texiera and Sabathia to that list will only hurt the team in the future.
If Bill James ever said he’d take Giambi over Ortiz his credibility would be ruined.
“Isn’t it odd that even though there aren’t that many LHP in the league compared to RHP, the Yankees seem to always face a lefty.”
I know!!! Where the heck are they finding these guys? It’s almost like they are bringing them up from the minors just to face the Yankees.
“Adding Texiera and Sabathia to that list will only hurt the team in the future.”
Add them to final years of Posada and Arod(possibly Rivera’s). Not good. Plus when and where do we put Posada in a few years? Jeter?
If you sign Tex, where do you play posada in 2 years? How about Jeter? He is going to need a new position pretty damn soon. But the Yanks do need to get younger in the field, Tex is a power hitter and plays a fantastic 1b. Tex accomplishes that.
The Yanks have about 90 mill coming off the payroll. They will spend mightily this November to get younger and more dynamic. You may not want Texeira and CC but they will be here.
Anyone that thinks adding Tex and/or CC to the Yankees will do anything but good, is just plain silly….IMHO…
“If you’re getting caught up in the voting, you have way tooo much time on your hands.”
Couldn’t say it better myself Pete.
I’ll gladly take an in his prime power hitting 1b who can field and a Cy Young pitcher who is lefty in his prime.
Sign me up.
“You may not want Texeira and CC but they will be here.”
I disagree. I think Tex might get here, but I think CC is staying in CLE.
Does anyone know why Mark Melancon is starting for Trenton tonight? Is this a sign or just that they want him to get more innings in.
S.O.S.:
Please don’t stylize your name. It’s going to get your posts caught up in the spam filter. Plus other people will try and and probably crash Word Press.
Thanks.
Its a combo of huge money and huge expectations. These players never live up to their billing. Do I need to make a list? Ok just to humor you I will. This list is off the top of my head, I’m sure there are a lot more I’m missing.
Damon
Pavano
Wright
Giambi
Sheffield
Farnsworth
Igawa
Posada was last winter’s bad move (although at the time we had no choice). That contract is going to kill us until its over. It clogs up DH, 1st base. Come on guys. Think about it.
Do you really want to add Texiera to this list? Right when Giambi’s huge contract is finally up? You want to commit another SIX years to another 1st baseman? One who is mediocre at best to start the year hitting cleanup for the Braves? The guy has 5 home runs. He’s hitting .250. Yeah, let’s give him 140 million.
If you’re judging on performance Ian Kinsler should be the starting 2B in the American League.
His .OPS is about 80 points higher than Pedrioer’ (as Jerry Remy so eloquently pronounces it). Kinsler also has more than twice the number of homeruns as Pedroia, and also has more RBI’s.
But it’s a moot point. Dustin with his .728 OPS is the greatest 2B of all time.
Oh, and Kinsler also has only three fewer hits than Pedroia.
miggs:
What was the problem with Sheffield before he got hurt and Damon hasn’t been too bad either. The pitchers you listed are not Cy Young Award winners and lefty aces like Sabathia either. Dont get cold feet because we struck out with Pavano and Igawa in regards to Tex and Sabathia.
The exception to big-money long-term contracts not working out is the incomparable Manny Ramirez. I don’t care who you’re rooting for, he’s fun to watch. Underrated fielder, too.
Because Pavano crpaped the bed we should never try to sign a free agent pitcher unless its a cheapo bargain?
This is the Yankees! They can afford a mistake or two or six.
Sorry Don Vito I completely disagree.
I think you couldn’t be more wrong.
I can think of plenty of ways it “could be anything but good”. I just listed them.
Sure, now that 70 million is freed up after this year, let’s throw 300 million at a fat lefty who threw 240 innings last year (and has only been great for 2 full seasons) and a guy who is hitting .250 playing 1st base for the Braves. With 5 home runs. Who plays every day. Yet he has worse numbers than Giambi, who gets regular days off. WAKE UP PEOPLE !!!
I’m hoping Ian Patrick Kennedy comes up with a Rasner like gem tonight.
I can see Teixeira being sought after hard by the Yankees. There have been too many years of Giambi or the platoon at First Base and poor results from that position. That is unless they make a move for a firstbaseman during the season.
CC is a bit more of a puzzle. If he continues to pitch well, and the Yankees needing a left hand pitcher, I see it as a possible signing. However, if the Indians keep playing poorly there might be a trade coming so they don’t have to settle for draft picks.
Mark T its not what the players cost, its what it does to the team. They have no flexiblility. Nobody wants to trade for bloated contracts. The players have less motivation with the huge money deals, and that brings even more heat from the media. It just doesn’t work out.
I’m not saying don’t sign any free agents. Just don’t sign THOSE GUYS.
miggs,
agree 100%. They question to ask yourself is would your overpay for a player a few years and have the same problem we’re having today? Iv had enough of the pavano’s,mussinas,giambis. They might look good now. But youll be asking to trade them sooner rather than later.
Man Pete. Way to rain on my parade. I was trying to look more computer litterate. Didnt know it harmed anything. My bad.Can i put my #3 in it. Sort of like the tm in rays name?
We need Tex… our biggest weakness is LHP. We also have not had a legit 1st baseman since Tino, we’re using that position as a 2nd DH.
We need a right handed power hitter to protect Arod and break up the lefties. We don’t have any legit 1B righties in our farm, nor do we have any legit run producers that will be up in the next couple of years.
Use the farm to develop cheap young pitching and use the FA market to fill position of needs, and for us that happens to be 1B. After this year, we won’t need to go to the FA market for a while… our infield and C will be stablized for a few years and we have a plethora of young stud OF’ers and pitchers/relief arms. That is why I have no problem giving Texeria whatever he wants, he fills a position of need, and is one of the few areas in which we don’t have a legit solution on the farm for.
S.O.S. thanks for bringing some sanity to this board…
I felt like I was fighting this fight alone for awhile there. Don’t you guys see my point?
Also, if Juan Miranda was having a good year, this wouldn’t even be up for discussion. He would be playing 1st next year. Unfortunately, AAA hasn’t been too kind to him this year. But I bet he still puts up better numbers over the next 6 years than Texiera. And he’ll cost a heck of a lot less.
Heres to Baltimore over paying for Tex and keeping him away from our team. They just got rid of one player they over payed. Their due.
Brandon,
Gardner has 3 HRS. If you want him to replace Damon I’ll listen.
When Nick gets back we should grab him. He’ll come cheap.
If not Tex than who do you get? Yanks don’t have anyone in the minors ready except for Shelly and the bus just backed over him. If they can find a high level prospect who’s being blocked at the major league level it would be nice. Howard and Fielder seem more like Giambi long term. What choice do they have?
Tim from Boston said:
Comments like this one give Yank fans a bad name especially where I come from.
Hey Tim;
Where you come from, fans are widely known as silly and delusional. You’re a perfect match.
I would argue though that over the life of the contract that the Mussina deal has been very, very good if you look at the full body of work.
-dennis
Uh Oh Thunderstorms.
Please Satellite, don’t fail me now!
S.O.S. in what way was Mussina bad for us, aside from last year? He’s been a great signing.
If it were my money, I’d take a chance on starting pitching every time, and unless this organization has a great 1B waiting in the minors (if they do, great), Teixeira is a good signing as well. Don’t go by his current numbers with the Braves through 2 months. His career numbers are excellent and I can’t imagine that he won’t post something close to that by the end of this season, as long as he’s healthy. And he’s a great fielder, to boot.
miggs,
I mentioned Miranda last week. Come to find out he’s hurt. Hell. With all of our young pitching studs in the minors. Im sure we can flip a few to get us a good young first baseman that can also field. Its not like we are going to have a 15 man rotation anytime. Use our strengths to fill our weeknesses.
i cant believe ppl still think nick johnson is the answer at 1b. i like the guy, but he has missed an average of 45 games per year since he left n.y.. and he’s on the dl now.
Why do the Yankees have to sign every big name player that comes on the market? Why do we always have to be involved?
I’ve seen this strategy fail miserably over the last 8 years. Its like banging your head against the wall over and over and over and over again.
You get a bunch of overpaid, pampered babies with no heart. Hate to say it but its true.
Broussard is starting at First tonight for SWB. I don’t know much about this guy, anyone else? Is he a filler or is there potential for NY down the road?
“With all of our young pitching studs in the minors. Im sure we can flip a few to get us a good young first baseman that can also field. Its not like we are going to have a 15 man rotation anytime. Use our strengths to fill our weeknesses.”
Nothing much to add here. Makes all the sense in the world to me.
I don’t think CC is heading this way, and I wouldn’t want him. I think if you can avoid tying up money and years with a pitcher, you’re better off. Of course, a lot will depend on how the Yankees prospects shake out.
Teixeira. I know, I know. It seems like it would be another Giambi. And he’s gotten off to a slow start this season. But he’s a quality player overall. The Yankees never said they wouldn’t spend their money. The key is to spend it wisely. Now, I don’t know who else they can get, but it sure seems that most people are tired of the Russian Roulette around 1B. It’s been Giambi and a cast of thousands for a while now and that doesn’t seem to work. Is anyone here willing to go yet another year without an established quality 1B? I think Teixeira MIGHT be worth the risk, especially if he is their only splurge.
I don’t know at what point you worry about Jeter and Posada. Posada can be a DH. Giambi, Damon and probably Matsui will be gone by the time the Yankees find it necessary to DH Posada full time (God willing). It’s only a problem if Posada all of a sudden starts breaking down. (I’m betting this shoulder injury is not the sign of things to come – YET). Jeter will not go to 1B. I don’t know where Jeter goes when he can’t play SS, and who’s to say he won’t retire if he can’t play SS?
I know you have to think ahead to some extent, but sometimes, you just have to address one area at a time. 1B is that area this off-season, I think. Anyway, I don’t think that Teixeira will be here; I think the Mets or someone else will give more money and more years. The Yankees will be out-bid on Tex.
My assignment to myself is to start paying attention to other 1B. But I like what someone else had to say in one of these prior posts, and I apologize for not remembering who or even if it was in this thread, but that person suggested the Yankees may find a minor league player who is major-league ready but blocked by their parent team, and be able to put together a nice, not too expensive package for such a player. Any good 1B on the AAA level?
since YES refuses to shoot Kim below her triceps. Does anyone know what she’s packing down there? Is she thick or what? She’s a pretty lady.
They need to do more full frame shots, put some more SHOW in the pre and post game, know what I’m talkin bout?…huh?..*knudge knudge* … huh?…know what I mean?
yowzah!
Pete thanks for the bad news on Posada not rehabbing in Trenton. I honestly like when those guys play in Trenton on rehab stints. I do have to go to a Trenton game soon to check out Melacon.
“Why do the Yankees have to sign every big name player that comes on the market? Why do we always have to be involved?”-Well because other teams ask more from the Yanks in trades and the farm system had been bad for a while. Also, even now the farm doesn’t any real infield talent close to the majors.
Mussinas last 4 years not including this one.
04 4.59 e.r.a
05 4.41
06 3.51
07 5.15
Im not saying Mussina was a total bust for us. All im saying is to pay someone 20+ mil. Id like to see ace like numbers. In long contracts. The likely chance of getting your money’s worth in the last 30 to 40% is unlikely.
should i take it that since they brought in broussard to play 1B at scranton that this must be the end for eric duncan?
“Patrick – Youkilis did win a Gold Glove last year, so he MUST be the best fielding First baseman (that’s sarcasm – the Gold Gloves are a joke).
I don’t think that Sox fans overstate his defensive ability. He’s not flashy, but very solid. I assume that you don’t want to even try to defend Giambi as a Firstbaseman, so I’ll leave that alone.”
He’s solid because he doesn’t make errors and he can throw the ball. However his range is one of the worst in the league and only slightly better than Giambi’s. Thats what RZR measures and theres really no disputing it. You are right, I will never defend Giambi’s defense, he’s a butcher out there.
“Giambi has had an OK year offensively, as has Ortiz. I would note that Ortiz is in the Top 5 in HRs and RBI, which used to be important stats back before Bill James destroyed all of my ancient axioms.”
HR’s are still important, RBI’s are not. I think OPS is a good overall stat to go by but it doens’t tell the whole story.
Wilson Betemit inf (Courtesy of Cot’s)
1 year/$1.165M (2008)
re-signed 1/18/08 (avoided arbitration)
1 year/$0.405M (2007)
acquired in trade (from LA Dodgers) 7/31/07
re-signed 3/07
1 year/$0.345M (2006), re-signed 3/06
acquired in trade 7/06, with Dodgers paying Atlanta an undisclosed amount of cash as part of the deal
1 year/$0.316M (2005), re-signed 2/05
1 year/$0.3M (2003) (split contract) 2/03
agent: Scott Shapiro, MASS
ML service: 3.078
By no stretch does Betemit have a bloated contract by today’s standards.
It’s a mystery why this team is so enamored by this underperformer.
“You get a bunch of overpaid, pampered babies with no heart. Hate to say it but its true.”
Couldnt of worded it better than that. The last few years. The youngsters have given us the Jolt we needed to make a run. Im all for free agents. Just prefer the 90’s style better than the 2000. Less years. Dont need an all star at every position. Role players with all stars is fine with me.
I know this is a stretch. But two years ago Greg Porter played first base. I have some family down in the Arkansas area, and they all said that they haven’t seen a first baseman like Porter in a while. Looking at his stats, it seems like that was one of his better years. with 20 HR. 28 doubles. I wonder why he hasn’t played first since. He isn’t tearing it up right now, but looking at previous years, he seems to be a second half hitter. Like I said it was a stretch.
If IPK gives us the same effort as last time – I’ll be pleased. The offense needs to get back on track. Just win baby!!
Mussina is typical of stat geek thinking. Good numbers, how many rings? To consider this guy for the HOF ahead of Luis Tiant (who not only came up big when it counted, but did it with style) is a travesty. Hey, Loouie pitched for the Yanks for a bit.
I know from reading Chad Jennings blog Jason Lane has an opt-out coming very soon, and with Miranda on the DL its not like signing Broussard is a bad move.
Mussina in 2001: 17 wins, 3.15 ERA, 1.06 WHIP
2002: 18 wins, 4.05 ERA, 1.18 WHIP
2003: 17 wins, 3.40 ERA, 1.08 WHIP
Just thought I should add those 3 years that Moose had with the Yanks, since he did a whole lot of winning and did it with some pretty quality pitching. The guy has definitely been good enough to warrant his long-term deal. This organization has signed far worse. He wasn’t really an ace, but if I could go back to 2001 – knowing what his stats would be for each season with us – I still would have signed him.
Depending on what it takes to grab him, I’d certainly take Nick Johnson and that lofty .OBP. But you only go after him if the price is a mid-tier prosepct of two. My guess is that the Nationals would ask for more than that. In that case, you don’t do it.
Man, Ted Williams is a stat geek’s fantasy. Best pure hitter in history, sure, but how many rings does he have? Ruben Sierra has rings, how hard could it be? Ted Williams is clearly a loser.
“Why do we always have to be involved?”
Cause George liked shiny things and wasn’t afraid to pay for them even after they began to tarnish.
“Dont need an all star at every position. Role players with all stars is fine with me.”
If this years All Star game is any indication the Yanks don’t have All-Stars at every position anymore and one or two more couldn’t hurt.
The Yankees have to sign big Tex they will have more than enough money and they will need a first baseman bad in the off season. He is young and besides being a great hitter he is a gold glove 1st baseman. If they Yanks dont get him I would be shocked. I was sold on the Yanks getting him after hearing Hanks quotes about this up coming off season. Plus I think they will be in on CC but wont really bite. Look at the rotation next year its worse than this years. With even more question marks.
Lugo, how many rings does A-Rod have? You want to let him go?
Are you saying it takes a guy with bad numbers to get a ring? I’m not really following your assinine statement.
I don’t really think Moose’s regular season numbers are the reason he doesn’t have any rings. Some of his postseason series could be blamed, but he’s also had some brilliant postseason performances as well.
bigif,
I guess we’l agree to disagree. I would not sign someone for x number of years and dollars. To get a little more than half those years of what is expected for my dollars.
Not sure if posted, but Mark Melancon pitched tonight and he went 3ip 2 hits 0er 1 walk 0k’s
yea melancon started tonight
Time to take Kennedy out, before he does further damage!
Hope that Kennedy has another good outing.
You would think that with all of the left handers the Yankees have seen lately, they should be able to hit them by now. Let’s go Yankees!
SOS,
I’ll just say that I don’t have my crystal ball for how Teixeira would do over x number of years, and neither do you. But say I sign him to a 6 year deal and he gives me 4 healthy years that are consistent with his career numbers, I’d sign him.
Let’s go Yankees!
Are they stretching Melancon out too now?
Come on Yankees. Stop this losing streak. I can’t take this kind of disappointment any longer.
Melancon was “starting” a suspended game that I think started in the 4th inning.
Oh, this is the make-up game in Trenton that I went to the start of – suspended because of rain in the 4th inning. Guess I’m not going to it!!
Melancon was not done after 3ip guys sorry now has pitched 4ip 2 hits 0 er 1 walk 1 k
Alex was just a tad under that one.
Let’s go Ian. Quick and easy. Please?
Sounds like Melancon needs a call up after this outing.
man, at yankee stadium, that’s a homer… sigh
go IPK!!!
nice by IPK
Nice easy 1st inning for IPK.
ian kennedy aka cy young
great job by Ian, nice quick inning
Matsui tried to make it interesting on that 1st out though
Rock on Ian!
Get him some run suppoet
Finally Kennedy has appeared to have stop nibbling.
**suppoet=support
Wow, IPK came storming out of the gates today. 8 pitches, 8 strikes.
8 pitch 1st inning for Ian
Nice first inning for Kennedy and he is pitching with much more confidence. He looks like he belongs now. Most of the time in his first few starts he looked tentative and afraid to challenge hitters, but things are different now. He is grabbing the bull by the horns and not giving an inch.
He wasn’t nibbling in the last start either. He trusts his stuff now.
Good bye!
What a shot by the pornstar!
The stache is back.
That was a shot!!!!
Go Yanks!!!!
ka-boooom!!!
“a blast from the stache!”
whoa- that was smoked
Wow, onto the streets!!
Go the stache
Giambi!
I think that ball is still traveling.
Guess Giambi is back on ‘roids or HGH.
in game day that red dot showed up on the box score part of the screen.
No doubt about that one! Against a left hander.
And Betiemit off the DL with a hit. Nice.
nice way to come back off the DL
Has Giambi crossed Obesed Poopi’s batting average yet?
String em together lads, that’s the way.
Whoa…what is this..
Hello Robbie
c’mon molina – one of your patented doubles would be nice here.
crossed —> surpassed
I think this is going to a breakout game for the teams most-maligned players. So far so good, nice inning by IPK, homer by Giambi, hit by Bettimit, hit by Cano. We just need Damon to get involved and it’ll be the feel-good story of the night.
Man, look at those empty seats.
“But say I sign him to a 6 year deal and he gives me 4 healthy years that are consistent with his career numbers, I’d sign him.”
That loud sound is my head banging against the wall.
GiDP?
The game is local – off to the tv – laters gents (and ladies).
Nick in SF- When mentioning the most-maligned Yankees, remember Farnsworth, who should strike out the side in a perfect inning of relief to fit that theme.
The New, New York Yankee Fan All-Star Ballot (or: How to get the Sux off the all-star team)
1b: Justin Morneau
2b: Robinson Cano
ss: Jete
3b: ARod
OF: Abreu
OF: Ichiro
OF: Vlad
DH: Matsui
C: Ivan Rodriguez (I know it should be Posada… but would you rather have Varitek or Pudge? Right. Vote Pudge)
We can’t allow a Youkilis, Pedroia infield for a Yankee Stadium AS Game.
Get the votes in early and often. Go Yanks!
Good call, Nick in SF
Nick in SF called it!
uh oh,
burress
under
duress
equals
success!!
Here come the Yankees! Finally figured out Burress.
Damon — woo-hoo!
“We just need Damon to get involved and it’ll be the feel-good story of the night.”
Thank you, don’t forget to tip your waitress.
WooHoo!
Damon!!!!
Bats are definitely awake today
I swear, Jeter gets hit at least once a week.
Stop hitting him!!!!
I think Giambi hit that one out over Eutaw Street!!! A couple of years ago, I saw him hit one over the Yard Building.
As soon as I heard that kid scream “Johnny Damon, you throw like a girl”, I knew he was hitting one out.
JB, .20 points in slugging and .30 in oba, now that’s absurd.
Giambi has done more with his plate appearances than Ortiz. RBIs are more a result of whether someone is on in front of you.
The maligned have spoken. Quick someone pick on Bobby and Alex.
Great way to rebound after yesterday’s game!
Did anyone else hear that fan yell:
“Johnny Damon you throw like a girl”
And literally the next pitch, wam.
Nick – what is your next call?
Hmm, so maybe Olson just pitched decently enough to shut down the offense yesterday?
It’s satisfying that the Yankees are really getting to Burres. He had success against them in every other start, but they weren’t completely familiar with him. When you get this lineup familiar enough with a pitcher and comfortable, these kinds of performances happen. This was bound to happen for them against Burres sometime.
Nick in SF= Prophet.
A fast start??? I love it!
Derek gets hit way too much
Melancon 5ip 2 hits 0 er 2 walks 2 k’s
Is this the first time IPK has had a lead to work with?
i wouldn’t mind it if Ian tossed a no no 2nite, that would be nice
Nick-Can I have some winning lotto numbers please
Melancon went 4 innings not 5.
Oh uh, way too much time on the bench ; Kennedy will sure fall apart now.
If I’m reading gamelogs correctly, Jeter’s been hit by a pitch 4 times prior to today (tonight makes 5)…which is weird, as I feel as if he’s been hit more than that this year :/
about time we hit this soft-tosser
let’s see if kennedy can work with a lead
this start is important to prove that last time wasn’t a fluke
he better cut down his walks tho
Damon does throw like a girl; luckily he hits further than he throws.
Jax-Then milb has their box score wrong.
“i wouldn’t mind it if Ian tossed a no no 2nite, that would be nice”
I wouldn’t mind it if Hal Steinbrenner called me asking to buy some artwork for the new Stadium, but let’s keep our hopes realistic. 7 innings, 1 run would be fine by me.
CM
I could hear someone yelling that all day yesterday as well
Woo Hoo, we’re finally hitting Burress!!
Also I am sending Ron Artest after the next pitcher that hits Jeter.
Burres is at already 35 pitches to Kennedy’s 8.
c’mon Ian
I doubt Joba can hit a wrinkle. Probably just FB.
“Um, I predict that sometime this evening, Carl Pavano will have a bowel movement without straining a muscle or cracking a rib.”
Wouldn’t that be considered a miracle? We better have the number to the Vatican ready
2-run HR by Yankee Killer Kevin Millar coming up?
Millar is just a thorn in the Yankees’ side…
He is a residual Boston haunting…
I know Millar kills the Yanks but IPK can’t just give the runs right back.
Oh dang it Ian
No Kennedy. Settle down, they’ve given you a 4 spot
How about not pitching to Millar, mmmkay?
I was about to say watch out how you pitch to Mallar. He always hits the Yankees.
Obviously IPK can not pitch with a lead.
So much for feel good stories. Now we just need to bear down and get the win. Sheesh!
oooooh boy –
C’Mon IPK – keep the ball down.
Good grief!! He’s rattled now
ok – not good…no more home runs!!!
These Mussina comparisons are a little too accurate.
I don’t understand why the Yankees just don’t pitch around Millar. They can’t seem to get him out. Walk his former Red Sox rear.
well, we had a good lead…
Great! Kennedy’s like my girlfriend with a new line of credit. SPEND it quick!
sigh. So much for that early lead.
But I did have the feeling both pitchers would get hit hard today since they both faced the same lineups in their last start. So hopefully the bats can keep on going.
You know I didn’t like Kennedy fly ball pitcher and it’s warm pitching in Camden Yards.
Ian is still bummed he lost on American Idol. Get over it dood
Millar’s average against Yanks now is at 0.496
Oh man…
Oh Ian…
…just don’t give up the lead and give us five damn innings, please…..please???
he’s needs a huge DP
I hate to say it, guys, but IPK just isn’t ready for the bigs.
Ian is pitching his way out of the rotation.
guess the last start was a fluke
tempted to post something negative about ipk right now but lets just say im very happy joba is being stretched out.
You give the kid a four run lead to work with and this is the best he can do ? Guess it’s safe to say Joba will be taking IPK’s slot in the rotation.
Damnit, Ian needs a mound visit by A-Rod
Hey, we wanted him to pitch to contact more, didn’t we?
That wasn’t a bad throw by Damon. It make it all the way in. Gotta give him credit for that.
that was a terrible throw. He never would have tried on Melky
Rag arm Johnny giveth, and taketh away.
Still more good than bad this game though
1 last out Ian. You can do this (I hope)
This is absurd!
Throw strikes and keep the ball down!
Throw some offspeed stuff and keep it low. How hard is it to locate when you’ve got the stuff. I mean, come on!
It would be good to see Ian get out of this.
It’s good that Tampa is down 7-0 to the Rangers and it’s sad that we care.
Yikes!
4 runs is never enough nowadays
It’s amazing how video plus Yankee scouting haven’t figured out how to pitch to Millar. Every hitter has a weakness Ian Kennedy notwithstanding.
Oh my God. It really makes sense that Joba is going to pitch in Pettitte’s start and not Kennedy’s.
…..
Bad throw Arod had time.
Things have gone down hill real fast.
“Hey, we wanted him to pitch to contact more, didn’t we?”
There is contact and then there is
3, 2, 1, CONTACT
what an implosion..
Get this kid out of there.
Get the bullpen ready.
I think we are gonna be saying goodbye to Mr. Kennedy
Wow, he absolutely lost it.
Ian, this is disgusting. Either you figure out how to pitch up here or you go to the minors. The Yankees have to decide if this is a transition year or not. Either way, Kennedy isn’t talented enough to get a free pass to suck royally. This isn’t a guy with ace potential. If he doesn’t learn to pitch, he won’t amount to anything.
what a terrible implosion. IPK really knows how to train wreck. I can understand the first homer, but after that he’s just become a completely different, terrible pitcher. 2 passed balls which were really wild pitches, and now the game is tied at 4? Terrible, terrible, terrible.
“I told my wife that the Orioles were going to make me look stupid today.”-Ian P. Kennedy
is joba available tonight?
So, a slugfest it will be tonight.
Me thinks Ike may actually be worse than Igawa.
haha, apparently so Blargh.
Finally… time for the offense to get back to work. Pack your bags, IPK. The bus for Scranton will be leaving shortly.
Hey, I still luv ya Ian, you just need to spend more time in Scranton while Joba takes his turn this summer. Maybe we’ll see ya in August or september with some o’dat Rasner polish.
and we’ll be cheering you in no time.
You’d think that a pitcher would pitch with more confidence after being spotted 4 runs. Not this guy. His resemblence to Moose is uncanny and not in a good way.
It won’t be a slugfest…the Yanks won’t hit anymore and they’ll say that Kennedy caused them to lose their momentum. This team looks for excuses everywhere.
Methinks is wrong. Kennedy is still giving up less than a run an inning.
The inning from Heaven/Hell is finally over with.
Get to work bats
Kennedy needs to go down for the rest of the season. He does not deserve to be here and he shouldn’t be here. He needs to learn to pitch better before he can hang with the big boys.
Look at the bright side, two K’s that inning.
Arod’s going to jack one to make up for that error
A-ROD is back in a slump.
or not
Who needs Johan Santana? We have Ian Kennedy, Phil Hughes, and Melky Cabrera. We have ZERO need for Santana right now.
Go Ian!
*rolls eyes*
I hope that Burress doesn’t settle down and the Yanks can still hit him.
They walked Millar in Game 4 in 2004. Didn’t work.
It just occurred to me why they may have wanted Joba to relieve Andy and not Ian. I haven’t read the comments so far so I don’t know if someone’s said this already, but everyone knows Andy’s going nowhere. If you have Joba come in for Ian, that sends a bad message to Ian.
Even though I think its clear now that he just is not ready. Not a knock on him as he was rushed a bit.
The Mussina comparisons are absurd…unless you’re comparing 20 something Ian Kennedy to almost 40 Mike Mussina, then they’re a little closer. Still the edge goes to Mike.
They should have sold high on Kennedy. He doesn’t have the velocity to make up the difference for his other pitches.
Here come the quick at-bats now…
man i get mancrushin when jason goes the other way, reminds me of Paulie back in the day
Giambi with a double and a home run.
But I want Texiera. Please.
I want to give him 140 million.
Giambi is back.
no one can stop Giambi..
who’s this #25 that’s going to left field?
I guess the question is at what point does it stop being “growing pains” or “progress” and start being indicative of a deeper, more long-term limitation. In my opinion not yet. Not even close to yet. It’s May and IPK is 23.
PS – Giambi is like a facial-haired version of Samson. Don’t shave, big man.
i agree …kennedy doesnt have a good fastball so it puts more pressue on him having to hit his spots….which he cant mind you
Yup. Cy Burres is back.
This team is beyond belief. Kinda like Darth Oriole in the stands there.
Well, Giambi is showing why he’s better at hitting every kind of pitcher better than Shelley.
Kennedy,
you döuchÑbăg !
Get on that bus to Single A!
And Kennedy gives it right back to them. Great!
You think Kennedy woke up this morning and told his wife, “I have a feeling I’m going to make them look stupid”?!
“The Mussina comparisons are absurd…unless you’re comparing 20 something Ian Kennedy to almost 40 Mike Mussina, then they’re a little closer. Still the edge goes to Mike.”
No they are not. More often than not, Mussina gives back the runs the offense just put on the board. If I had to pick, I’d take Mussina over Ian. This guy just isn’t that good from what I’ve seen.
Ian Kennedy does not have the stuff to me successful in the majors. He is absolute garbage and I cannot wait until he is sent down to Scranton and never heard from again unless it’s a mediocre trade a couple years from now.
lets package damon, kennedy and igawa for holliday…sign sabathia, sign teixeira, trade abreu, giambi, cabrera, betemit for Oswalt next month………then things will be better, right guys?
Melky and Kennedy or Santana and Gardner??
Martin S,
Your screen name is very close to mine. Don’t say anything nonsensical..I don’t want it coming back to me.
Carry on sir.
smooth sailing for Ian…look at it this way it’s 0-0 and really the 2nd inning, forget the real second inning.
take a mulligan
Burress with second life will be an absolute beast to deal with now.
lol butch….except its 4-4
For Tex, next year we pick up Giambi’s contract and leave him in Florida until May. And draft a Hoover vacuum cleaner as a late-inning defensive sub.
Butch Wynegar -
I like the way you think.
Yeah….Ian stinks. But don’t be wishing you traded ian, melky and phil or whatever jackasinine combination for Santana, cause on top of that, yankees would have been paying him 200 gazillion dollars plus part ownership of the new stadium.
Martin May 27th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Martin S,
Your screen name is very close to mine. Don’t say anything nonsensical..I don’t want it coming back to me.
Carry on sir.
Because you are the only Martin in the world? I’m Martin S. Have been here for about a year. Don’t you say anything of nonsense and drag me down.
Some people have no concept of building a foundation for the future.
Santana’s stuff is already declining just months after he signed his deal. Buster Olney penned a great piece on this very topic last week and scouts from around the majors have said the same thing.
Imagine what Santana might be throwing in 4-5 years if his stuff is declining now?
Every time you complain about the non-Santana trade you should remember the deal was not made because of it’s long term effects on the organization – not 2008.
ooooo Kay u r soooo cooool… Never seen a Star Wars movie?? really??
Kennedy is actually quite frustrating to watch. He alternates pitching very well – 1st inning and 3rd inning around miserable 2nd inning. It seems he gets rattled very easily and can’t work himself out of jams.
Getting ahead of hitters and keeping them off balance for 2 innings and then throwing a fastball at 86 right over the plate to get hammered.
He also seems to be crossing up the catcher an awful lot.
come on Ian! Strikes!
“Yeah….Ian stinks. But don’t be wishing you traded ian, melky and phil or whatever jackasinine combination for Santana, cause on top of that, yankees would have been paying him 200 gazillion dollars plus part ownership of the new stadium.”
Who cares how much they pay guys? They give Pavano 10 mill a yr! You think the Yanks care about money?
Ugh, I think Cano got wind of the all-star vote conversation on here from before.
yeah yeah yeah Pedroia would have smothered that grounder…whatever
I hope the Yanks had a lot of fun in B-More last night because they are playing like they are hung over!
errors are the last thing Ian needs
Hey Cano didn’t make the play but at least he looked real smooth doing it.
Robbie? Whacha doing
“Some people have no concept of building a foundation for the future.
Santana’s stuff is already declining just months after he signed his deal. Buster Olney penned a great piece on this very topic last week and scouts from around the majors have said the same thing.”
Johan looks pretty dazzling this yr and something tells me that melky is average, Hughes will never be healthy and Kennedy is a 5th starter at best. Would I take 3 yrs of prime Santana for those three and maybe 2 titles??
Yes.
second 2-run HR for Yankee Killer Kevin Millar?
I like how they played the geico caveman song for Millar…lolololol
Kennedy and Igawa would make the Triple A all star team. that’s saying something.
My thing with Kennedy isnt about him giving up the lead the way he did its the fact that everytime I see him pitch I dont see anything stuff wise. I mean his fastball is 88 his has a good change and thats about it. He seems very average to me. I feel like him and Rasner are the same type of pitchers and Ras is just better.
ian needs some more time in scranton…..he has had those moments of lights out pitching…he just needs to get them more often…it will come
ER quick question
What kind of life do you have if your posting here like a jackarse?
Seriously. I am very curious about your situation.
Kennedy is a 5th starter. He has average stuff and he walks too many guys.
Santana’s not dazzling anyone. He’s surrendered 11 homers on the year, which is way too many for an ace. His ERA would be about a run worse if he were a Yankee. I think 18 million for a 4.30 ERA is a bit of a stretch, don’t you think?
“Every time you complain about the non-Santana trade you should remember the deal was not made because of it’s long term effects on the organization – not 2008.”
Sorry. That’s supposed to be WAS made because of it’s long term effects on the organization.
good-bad-good
Ian is like a roller coaster
We want to see more good Ian dear
“Don’t you say anything of nonsense and drag me down.”
Hahaha. Ok, fair enough.
Cut & dried, plain & simple. Ian Kennedy was rushed and clearly not ready for the big leagues.
Chad Jennings reports that Alan Horne is finished with extended spring training and headed up the chain.
He’ll need 3-4 starts and it becomes a question if the Yankees can wait that long before sending Kennedy down until the rosters are expanded in September to see what he’s learned.
ER, from the set of:
Are you a Yankee fan? Its ok if you arent, I just need clarification because every single thing you post is either Anti-Yankee or a negative comment of some sort.
At least make him work!
I wouldn’t mind Kennedy every 5th day of Cashman actually went out and got a legit #3 starter instead of thinking Mussina could do it. Because after last yr we all knew Mussina would be a solid #3 right?
nice now Kennedy is hurt
The homeruns were bad. But what killed Kennedy was Damon’s arm and the passed ball. Melky’s out there and Jones doesn’t take 2nd. If there’s still a PB, he then goes to 2nd, and Roberts’ grounder is just an out.
However, it’s not good to have an inning each outing that’s problematic.
I guess when Phil is ready Ian will head to AAA.I like Ian but the idea that we were gonna start the season with 3 prospects and not have major problems was very stupid.
There will be a free agent pitcher next year thats for sure.Somebody needs to have 200 innings.
What a pretty bullpen out there.
Way to work the count
Come on, Jeter. Get Damon in!
Ron May 27th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
“Santana’s not dazzling anyone. He’s surrendered 11 homers on the year, which is way too many for an ace. His ERA would be about a run worse if he were a Yankee. I think 18 million for a 4.30 ERA is a bit of a stretch, don’t you think?”
Santana dominated the AL for years here. He’s a lefty in Yankee stadium. You really think this team wouldn’t be better off with him starting than Kennedy and Hughes?? And if the system is as loaded as everyone says why can’t we part with an injury prone starter and a guy with fringe stuff???
come on Jete, time to break out of this slump
well, IPK at least recovered in the third. He needs to be more aggressive and to also stop throwing meatballs down the pipe. He’s learning… just got to get some experience… I hope.
Thank God for Derek Jeter, my dream husband!
Welcome back Oh Captain my Captain!
Quick, take Kennedy out before he gives up the lead again!
Great to see more and more two-out RISP hits lately.
I think he heard me lol
Glen why are you bringing up Horne? Joba will be ready to start for the Yanks before Horne. I hated to see Horne get hurt when the Yanks needed a starter. I really want to see him pitch at this level he has paid his dues and deserves a shot.
“I wouldn’t mind Kennedy every 5th day of Cashman actually went out and got a legit #3 starter instead of thinking Mussina could do it. Because after last yr we all knew Mussina would be a solid #3 right?”
Hasn’t Mussina been getting the job done this year though? Will it last? I don’t know. But he has been a pleasant surprise
I though Ian looked better that last inning.
The Not Ready For Prime Time Player….IPK….When you are spotted a 4 run lead and give up every one of them in the bottom of that same inning, you are headed for the team having the same confidence they had in IgSchmanka. You KNOW that has to take the wind out of the batter’s sails when they put up a 4 spot and it takes a matter of minutes for the lead to go “poof”. It is SO easy to know that IPK is the one the Joba bumps….SO EASY….
Each time Kennedy pitches and Mussina pitches, Sabathia’s agent adds a zero.
Got the lead back – now the Yanks have to hold it.
Don’t tell IPK he has a lead!
We may need 12 runs tonight.
By my calculation, the TJ Rehab Watch ERA is down to 1.89. That is disgusting.
Help is on the way!
Doreen,
Exactly. Kennedy wasn’t terrible tonight, nor was he great. He struggled in the Second. He got rattled by the homer and gave up another afterwards. It looks like maybe he’s hurt now, but if he could have given some more innings and kept the game in check, it wouldn’t have been terrible.
Meant to post before the game, but don’t get why with their weakest pitcher, and a fly ball pitcher to boot, why Girardi started the weakest defensive outfield. It cost a run today.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS! that should last about 10 minutes
I guess it’s going to be one of those nights.
Great at Bat!
Bobby was totally waiting for that off speed pitch he KNEW it was coming.
Bobby!
OK, no more runs for BAL from here on out!
Almost got the whole lead back. Wonder if Kennedy comes back or Ohlendorf?
Well, this might be a first this year against a non-Mariner team.
Is it to late to pitch Joba tonight lol
“Exactly. Kennedy wasn’t terrible tonight, nor was he great. He struggled in the Second. He got rattled by the homer and gave up another afterwards. It looks like maybe he’s hurt now, but if he could have given some more innings and kept the game in check, it wouldn’t have been terrible.”
The game’s not over!! He’s got 9 outs and given up 4 runs. How is that not terrible?
home run derby tonight
Boom goes the Bobby-mite!
Ian, you just got a new lease on life (if you’re not hurt), but you really need to hold it together now.
Best wishes,
A concerned fan.
nice to see the bats come alive with warm weather.
now time kennedy to earn a spot. you gotta want it, ipk
Jon
Johan looks pretty dazzling this yr and something tells me that melky is average, Hughes will never be healthy and Kennedy is a 5th starter at best. Would I take 3 yrs of prime Santana for those three and maybe 2 titles??
Yes.
actually, his stuff isn’t all that dazzling. Compare him to our “non-ace”: santana has only 17 more strikeouts than Wang, while giving up 11 hrs compared to Wang’s 3. While his era is a respectable 3.36, its not all that dazzling. Stick him in the AL and he’s gonna be rocking a much higher era. Definitely not worh giving up half the team, a gazillion dollars and half ownership of yankees stadium.
YankeeJosh -
But on the other hand, Damon’s given them offense that maybe Melky wouldn’t have. So, I guess it’s a wash so far.
No way to figure backwards.
It’s early. Can we save the “Kennedy stinks” talk for later?
I hate looking at that 6 as the HR total for A-rod. Should be 7.
Don Vito,
Is it Kennedy’s fault that jones tagged from first base on a fly ball because of Damon’s non-arm?
Is it Kennedy’s fault Molina couldn’t catch that ball?
Is it Kennedy’s fault A-Rod threw away that grounder?
Ian wasn’t good at all in the second inning, but he also got no help from his team. By all rights, he should have gotten out of that inning still leading 4-3.
If kennedy blows this he can rot in Scranton.
This looks like it’ll be another of those 4-hour slugfests the Yanks and O’s always seem to play down in Baltimore.
Im sure its been posted already but can someone post Melancon’s line from tonight. AROD!
Whoo!!!
Gotta love it. Hopefully the slump is over now.
i like alex hitting 4th
Burress vs. Kennedy is looking like a game of chicken right now. Which manager blinks first?!?!??!
A ROD!!!!!!!!
Did I say that A-Rod was in a slump? I must have been mistaken.
What happened to Kennedy?
What did he hurt?
I guess the bats like 80 degree weather. Holy Cow – Go Abreu, Arod. Posada a week or two away. This offense will start to click.
HR to center!!
MeThinks:
Would you want Santana this yr or Kennedy? 3 yrs from now?
Didn’t think you would pick Kennedy.
Alex!
The home run parade continues. Yeah ARod. And that knowcks Buress out.
A-Rod! Bomb
That looked like a defensive swing almost by A-Rod. IT was sucha low ball, and he still clobbered it. You can tell A-Rod is on or not by the amount of effort his swing appears to take. If it’s effortless, he’s going to mash. That was effortless looking.
Kennedy, you have your lead back. Show us you belong.
ok, now we’re back to where we were in the 2nd, with a 4 run lead.
Hopefully Ian has another inning like the 3rd to hold it
and once again all is right in the universe…..
Doreen.
This is true. But Damon probably still would have been in the game in Left Field. I still think you give Kennedy all the help you can defensively, though that likely would have meant sitting Giambi or playing him at first.
Looks like all is right again.
Now Ian will have a full reprieve, at least another four-run lead to work with. Hopefully he can stand prosperity a little better this time. And who said that this Yankee lineup can’t mash with the best of them?
“If kennedy blows this he can rot in Scranton.”
Nate,
You ok?
Kennedy better not blow this.
Johan looks dazzling, please pass what you are smoking.
Looks like Kennedy won’t get a chance to “blow this”
I’m okay now. If IPK holds the lead and pitches like a pro. If he chokes it back up I don’t know.
Well, he won’t get a chance. Ohlendorf is coming in. Either Ian’s hurt, which I hope isn’t the case, or Girardi had seen enough.
What the heck happened to Kennedy?
Kennedy is hurt, according to Gary Thorne.
Wow. I need clarification on this.
What happen to Kennedy?
Wow – that is embarassing to put IPK in the penalty box like that.
Why not just make him wear a dunce cap on the bench
(unless of course he is hurt, which would suck)
Betemit is terrible. Why is he on the roster? Someone please tell me why he is on the team!
He said he was walking into the locker room with the trainer.
I hate Wilson Betemit
UGH, the worst thing is, that scoop play is the one thing that Giambi can do.
now i understand that was a low throw, but come on betemit HAS to make that play
tonight is evidence that you cannot plug anybody in at firstbase…real life is different than video games
…nooo, why Ohlendorf as the long man?
Are they f’n kidding me with all these errors?!?!
Oh man…
Just when Kennedy got back the lead, he has to leave the game.
Another game without a win, but here’s hoping he’s alright.
See what happens when you have people playing first who aren’t first basemen?
Too bad they started the Chamberlain transition one day late. This would have been perfect.
Hope he is ok
Betemit is a butcher. But the Yanks deserve this for not having a real 1b on the team.
Betemit needs a few more lessons at first, it would seem.
I can’t beleive I’m saying this but, I think even Giambi coud have scooped that
why would that be an E on A-rod? Betemit should’ve caught that!
Maybe Ian suffered some kind of groin injury, that is commonplace with pitchers, but it is just PURE speculation on my part.
If nothing else, Giambi DOES scoop the ball well, digging throws out of the dirt and fielding short hops.
That was nice and fast.
Back to work bats
Stop dogging on Ian. He would have left the 2nd inning with the lead had Arod made a decent throw. He would have had a 1-2-3 inning on the bottom of the 3rd, if Robbie decently fielded that soft grounder. IPK also promptly proceeded to make the 4th out without further damage.
Geez some of you guys are unbelievable sometimes. I can’t figure out if people are just trying to be funny or people just want to be so miserably all the time.
Pete, what the heck happened to Ian?
Well that was a quick inning for Ohlendorf…I do hate seeing him used in this capacity though. Hope IPK is okay.
why would that be an E on A-rod? Betemit should’ve caught that!
Throw was in the dirt. Even though most 1b make that play its still an E on A-rod
“Kennedy is hurt, according to Gary Thorne.”
According to Gary Thorne, it was ketchup (or is that catsup) on Schilling’s sock.
But seriously – Thorne wouldn’t know if IPK was hurt or not before the Yankee broadcasters – I think he was speculating.
Ok Yankee fans… Finally found time to take in a game. Need some recommendations on where to go both in the city and near Yankee stadium(pre-game).
Suggestions?
“I hate Wilson Betemit”
KG86 – You hate him this much?
http://umpbump.com/press/i-hat.....-hate-him/
The error did not hurt, but Betemit has got to come up with that ball.
If IPK is hurt that might solve who comes out for Joba.
Nicely done Ohlendorf.
MeThinks:
Would you want Santana this yr or Kennedy? 3 yrs from now?
Didn’t think you would pick Kennedy.
Sure, if the deal was kennedy for santana. But it wasn’t. Just remember, the twins wanted a combination of Joba, Hughes, kennedy, melky, wang…You willing to give up 3 of those 5 players for santana? If you are, your nuts.
You have to figure that Kennedy is hurt. He had a good Third inning, and it doesn’t make sense to kill the bullpen tonight so early.
Unless things change greatly, Kennedy should be sent to Scranton when Joba breaks into the rotation. It’s a shame, because if he could have pitched better, Rasner would have made a great long man. However, with how Rasner’s pitched, he’s earned a spot in the rotation for now.
I just finished putting the kids to bed and missed the last inning, I tivo’ed it and watching it now – so I’m avoiding reading this blog cause I don’t wanna know what happened… but since my friend is calling me – I assume it’s good.
That umpire loves to give his arm a workout; got a pretty good one too
in my tivo game – it’s still the top of the 4th.
Do your civic duty and go to mlb.com and vote for the Yanks for the all-star game.
Another terrible roster decision. Who made Ohlendorf the long man? This guy has the stuff to be the prime set up man and hes working mop ups and long relief.
So do we want to develop Ian Kennedy…a pitcher that is DEFINITELY headed back to AAA soon or WIN THIS GAME ?…Hmmm,,,I wonder what we should do ????
Fran – I never once considered anyone other than Kennedy coming out of the rotation for Joba. Unless, one of the other pitchers got hurt, why wouldn’t it be IPK?
Thx, Patrick…didn’t know about that throw in the dirt rule.
Kennedy is most definitely hurt – or he stiffened up or whatever.
Girardi isn’t going to pull this kid in the 4th without good reason – especially since he had a good 3rd and only threw 50+ pitches.
Plus, he had another four-run lead.
There is no doubt that there is something physically wrong with Kennedy.
To the poster who asked for Melancon’s line tonight:
4 innings, 0 runs, 2 hits, 1 BB, 1 K. Had a no decision in the game.
FYI: Ben Broussard signed a minor league contract with the Yankees today and is playing first in Scranton.
He is 2-2 with 2 doubles, a walk and 3 RBI so far this evening. Scranton leads Pawtucket 8-0 in the 4th.
Now THIS guy is dazzling:
Edinson Volquez 7-2 1.31 era 76 strikeouts.
sometimes injuries are a blessing…especially in baseball (Gagne)
pleases to tell, how much hurting does vanilla face Ian Kennedy have?
If Kennedy isn’t hurt and Girardi just pulled him, that’s a terrible move and a blow to Ian’s confidence. He was challenging hitters tonight, not nibbling, and got burned a bit by it. However, he had a great first and third inning, and there’s no reason to take him out immediately with an 8-4 lead, and thus kill the bullpen tonight. It makes no sense if there’s no injury. Sometimes young pitchers have to take their lumps.
Melky is a 4th OF and Gardner could put up his numbers and actually run. Hughes is always hurt and may never pan out. You know not every stud prospect pans out. And the guy barely hits 92 on the gun and hes going to be an ace???
I may be missing something here.
So yeah, I would take the guy who has done it for years, is lefty, and is in his prime. Johan.
Especially if that Yankee system is as deep as people say.
Pete, are you even watching the game? Kennedy is hurt and went to the clubhouse with the trainer.
i hope it’s nothing serious. pete go find out!!
Giese 3 innings no hits one walk and five strikeouts. I think you ahve to consider him for the long man role at some point. No sense using Ohlendorf in that role.
He said he was walking into the locker room with the trainer. That’s all I got from him. I imagine the Yankees broadcast would say something first.
Scorpio – You are right. It probably would have been him even if he wasn’t hurt.
wow – that was a great top half – Burres already out… whoa. Same with Kennedy… man! Is IPK injured? The announcer said IPK left to go to the dressing room with a trainer…??
Technical question – - –
How do they decide who gets the “W” in this kind of game?
shoulda been a walk to giambi. he knows the strike zone so well
What’s potentially more worrying than the fact that neither Hughes nor IPK have pitched particularly well is the fact that both have proven (if indeed IPK is injured) to be somewhat fragile. The ability to throw 200+ innings a season is in my opinion of equal or greater value than any potential ceiling that isn’t achieved. Rich Harden is a great example. When he pitches, he can be transcendent. The trouble is he is almost a stone cold lock to miss significant chunks of every season. I would rather see IPK or Hughes achieve 75% of their potential and throw 200 innings a year than only see glimpses of brilliance for a couple of starts before heading to the DL.
” Plus, he had another four-run lead. “….that is TOO funny….he had ANOTHER 4-Run lead ?….how many 4 run leads do you need to give a pitcher in any ONE game to BLOW ?….is the number 3 ?….Let me check my book of morons….
TKinDC
IPK was the pitcher of record when the previous inning ended, with the Yanks having the lead. I believe he would get the win.
Pete, Ross Ohlendorf IS the long reliever. And I think he’s not an ideal choice, but hardly the worst.
Jesus HR!!
Garcia pithcing pretty well in Tampa. Has given up 3 runs (2 er). One on no hits and two errors, the other two in a tough inning. Has settled down and gotten some strikeouts.
Slight strain of the right lat muscle.
“IPK was the pitcher of record when the previous inning ended, with the Yanks having the lead. I believe he would get the win.”
No, you must go 5 to qualify. Right now it defaults to Russ.
I think girardi just threw ian into an express bus to AAA…
lat injury? does joba get kennedy’s next start?
crap
Last I checked you had to pitch 5 innings to win.
Official scorer would determine at his doscretion which reliever (Yankees or Orioles) gets the win. Kennedy is not eligible as he did not go 5 innings.
Lordy. I think I could knock one out of Camden Yards tonight.
Yuck
Giambi: Big bat, good eye. Sub-par arm and range but good hands and experience.
Betemit: Switch with power but weak righty. Good arm and range but lacks experience.
Duncan: Right-handed Power but struggling against Major League breaking balls. Great arm and range.
Damon: Passable first baseman used in late-inning emergency situations after he pinch hits.
Ensberg: Defensive utility man. Good arm, range and hands. If he bats well, it’s a bonus.
ah, no IPK had to pitch at least 5 innings to be eligible for the win. I think Ohlendorf is getting the decision here if the yankees keep this lead… which it looks like they won’t. dammit.
still no outs… oy.
Now Ohlendorf giving up HRs
Ian wouldn’t get the win, since he didn’t go 5 innings.
Like I said, the TJ Rehab Watch ERA stood at 1.89 this morning. It’s going to look really delicious tomorrow morning with all the zeroes the boys are putting up.
there’s a very generous strike zone tonight IMO
I think Ian’s undoing in that inning has to go back to them taking 2nd on Damon’s arm. We still had the lead and then another runner was in scoring poistion when he shoulnd’t have been. Ian never had a chance to settle down after those 2 homers with another RISP. If Jones was still at 1st, then even Arod’s error wouldn’t have resulted in a run, only a runenr advancing over.
Ian did lose it than inning, but his defense certainly didn’t help, and when you’re trying to gain him experience so early in his career, teh defense needs to be extra sharp, not sloppy. I absolutely hate Betemit at 1st. I never thought I’d prefer Giambi to anyone at 1st, but he’s a much better option than Betemit. Giambi at DH, Damon in left, Melky in center, and Matsui Dh and this is a completely different game.
Og course as I spend time typing this, Ross just gives of 2 runs
man… this game is painful to watch… the Yanks better keep them homers coming… Ohlendorf isn’t the answer.
* of not og
“Injured leg”
It’s another goddamned hamstring.
jeezus lord… new pitcher please.
ohlly gives up another homer.
It’s nice of Ross to pay tribute to what he thinks Ian would have done minus the lat injury, but this is getting ridiculous.
ugh.
Get Ollie outta there stat!!!!!
This whole team has Clemens syndrome – the only possible reason they suck is because they are hurt.
Ohlendorf is not a long reliever. Sucks he is being turned into one
Another one gone.
Ohlendorf isn’t any better than Kennedy right now.
This is disgusting.
and another… bye bye ohlendorf
See, what did I just say??!!!!!!
^$%&$^*%^W$&^
This is surreal.
Ohly is a one inning pitcher, look at his record. Very very well in his 1st inning, then it gets bad…like tonight. 27/08?
You have got to be kidding me!
yeah, but see how much the O’s fans cheer when it’s 12-8 Yanks!
ouch
In the words of Hudson…
Game OvEr MAn!!!
What’s Ohlendorf’s problem tonight? Blew the entire lead. This is like batting practice.
this is unbelievable..
Dear god,
Roll call on the # of Homeruns that are going to be hit tonight?
Anybody? Anybody? Anybody?
I’ll say 10.
somebody give ohlendorf a dollar so he can buy an out please.
Holy crap
this is disgusting. 2 4 run leads blown
cashman deserves all the blame for this roster being put together like this
I guess not taking my advice about pitching to Millar? lol
People got on Kennedy because he gave up 2 HR’s. Now Ohlendorf is doing it. The ball is just flying out tonight. It’s hot and humid.
Ohlendorf may not be a long reliever, but he should be able to give 2 innings in relief, especially with the rest he’s had.
Does anyone know how to pitch??? Anyone????
I guess that whole “who gets the “w” question turns out to be a big fat nothing of an issue.
%$#^&%#&%$#&^$%^$%&^
I can’t believe that we can’t hold a freakin’ 4 run lead.
Girardi, get this piece of garbage off the mound.
Groundball pitcher my ass. Sinkerballers don’t give up three homers in less than two innings.
and we want to take Joba out of the pen.
Have mercy
the ghosts of Chase Wright haunt Ohlendorf…
Does this remind you of Chase Wright?
So what is the final score tonight ? 16-15 Yankees ? Tonight would have been HUGE to let JOBA pitch ! DANG DANG and TRIPLE DANG !…Oh well….time to Mash some more Balty hurlers !
This game is scary
Im a big Ohlendorf fan but Im starting to think he just isnt good.
I hate games like this. Is there anyone in the entire universe that finds this wretched pitching enjoyable to watch? I swear MLB schedules wraparounds this closely just to get high-scoring games. Pandering to all the steroid fans. Pitiful.
Ohlendorf is going to be a good relief pitcher. It’s just one of those games…
Go Yankees!
How can Chris Britton be any worse than this?
If Millar could have played his whole career facing the Yanks everyday, he could be a first ballot HOFer.
u think johan gives up a 4 run lead?? This is a win now team. The non trade cost us a title or two
C’mon Ohelndorf…just one more lousy out!!!!!
if we had a pitcher – this would be 8-0 … sad
“cashman deserves all the blame for this roster being put together like this”
you are an idiot.
Mikey, with Kennedy maybe being hurt, we need Joba in the rotation even sooner. Sure the bullpen doesn’t look particularly great right now, but Edwar has been unbelievable lately. He deserves a chance. Ohlendorf is miscast in his role, and I honestly don’t know why he’s still on the team instead of someone like Britton right now.
Ohlendorf-only use him for 1 inning. Not more than that
Let’s get 4 more !!! GO YANKEES !
Ohlendorf is in his second inning of work. I get that he isnt a long man but for him to be pitching this bad is a joke.
I thought Ohlendorf was supposed to be a sinker ball pitcher??? Where the heck are the ground balls?
Also the O’s lineup sucks if they are doing this just think how bad the pitching must really be.
Is Kennedy injured?
Mark Teixeira in 09,
If that’s the case, then you’re not an Ohlendorf fan.
Just saying…
what a freaking joke.
Free Chris Britton!
That’s already the third string of back-to-back home runs in this game. Ohlendorf is miscast in this long relief role, and it’s pretty dangerous for Girardi to continue to stretch him out like this. Wave bye-bye to that plan to only use him in one inning relief stints during Spring Training. Poor kid’s arm will be hanging by a thread by August at this rate.
I’d like to see Millar’s stats against other teams. I bet he sucks.
Ross Ohlendorf is simply not a long reliever. How many times do we need to see this?
He pitches well the first inning of his outing and then gets in trouble in the second or the third inning.
They keep trying to fit him into this role – and its not a role he’s fit for.
Doesn’t matter that he was a starter in the past. He changed his entire apporach when he went to the pen – and he can’t maintain his optimal velocity/ stuff for more than an inning.
Being put in the 4th he’s got to pitch as if he’s going to throw 3 innings and pace himself that way.
They need a true long man. They’ve needed a true long man the entire season.
They need to get a true long man up from AAA. Giese is a possiblity they should really look at now. They should also consider Dan McCutchen down the line.
LaTroy Hawkins right now is giving the team very little. He’s pitched OK in very low leverage situations. But has not been very useful in important spots.
What makes carrying Hawkins even more difficult is that he doesn’t throw more than 1 inning. So even in low leverage situations he’s not a guy who can suck up innings.
I think either you send down Ohlendorf and get him back to throwing in the short man role or you trade Hawkins and call up a long man.
“Jax
May 27th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
People got on Kennedy because he gave up 2 HR’s. Now Ohlendorf is doing it. The ball is just flying out tonight. It’s hot and humid.”
stupid Yankees fans always making up excuses. I feel sorry for you.
The best part about 9 home runs is that now every Orioles fan at the ballpark has gotten a ball
Britton’s not a long reliever either.
Honestly, how many teams have a “long reliever?” Usually the long man is the worst man in the pen that can throw more than one inning. I don’t know why Ohlendorf doesn’t fit that description. Long relievers are seldom lights out. If they were they’d be starters.
Cashman has done a bad job with this roster pitching wise. But that has nothing to do with Ohlendorf pitching this bad.
To be fair, for a sinkerballer to take a week off is not going to be good at all for their control.
The boys in Scranton should get ready.
I have a feeling the Scranton shuttle will be in full gear tomorrow.
Regardless of what stage of development a player or team is in, its really inexcusble to torch two 4 runs leads away in a game.
Two 4 run leads blown in 5 innings. Sorry, you can’t do that and stay in the majors.
Robertson, Patterson, Cox and Giese get ready. Your time may be now.
Gameday has 10 video highlights… 7 of them are homers… sheesh.
Maybe it’s the air — thunderstorms are forecast and I know we’re having one here in central NJ right now. So possibly all those ions floating around are helping the ball carry. I’m only half kidding.
It certainly looks to be one of those nights, and we can only hope that the Yankees end up on top. I can’t stand Millar.
guys the balls flying out for both teams relax its just one of those nights
they need to bring in Edwar for 2 innings.. they have Joba tommorrow so they need to take Ohlendorf out, enough……
the only one not hitting is are man Molina, he never hits..
These are the types of games we have to win….
We get bad pitching from our starter and he lasts 3 innings. Our reliever blows a 4 run lead. We just happen to score a boatload of runs. Tied going into the 6th. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Joba in the 6th-8th or 6th-9th.
But the key is the offense. These guys are starting to rake and its beautiful to watch.
Ross does not have a good record in games where he has to pitch more than one inning. Having said that, they have to get 4 more innings of pitching so who else do we use?
Hawkins and Veras just gave up a lot of runs yesterday adn you don’t bring up Farns here. Limited options indeed.
Now, can our offense pull this one out?
C’mon yanks!!! 12 more please…
Was Damon gesturing and winking there just before he hit that single?!
the “johnny damon you throw like a girl” guy is back in the ballpark
Damon is hot tonight.
Strikeouts are overrated… both 4 run innings by Balt had 2K’s.
Can’t fault Cash – gotta look at Girardi… as smart as he is – he’s got to know that Ollie and Farnsie are 1 inning pitchers and by burning out Veras, Ramirez and Hawkins(who as roster currently constructed should be the long man)- we’re stuck going with 1 inn pitchers rest of night. Don’t be surprised to see Mo be stretched to 2 inn – especially if we’re tied or in the lead. Pitching Joba tonight would’ve resolved the bullpen issue…. major backfire by Joe
Joba in place of IPK and Posada for Molina ? HUGE Moves….think of them as trades the Yankees just made…would you be happy with those moves ????
Yeah, if only were Joba were back in the bullpen instead of starting. Then Joba would be watching all those balls fly out of the park from right field instead of pitching 7 innings of 2 run baseball. The score with Joba in the pen would 8 to 8. With Joba as a starter, 8 to 1. *sigh* Too bad we can’t get Joba back to the bullpen.
Tseng: nice one!
throw over one more time
i’m up for any of those call ups if any of the are better than Ohlendorf right now.
WTF DID I JUST WATCH !!!
OMG WHY DIDN’T HE JUST UNDERHAND IT TO THE PLATE, HORRIBLE, THAT WAS HOR – RI – BLE, Ohly just can’t, can’t pitch back to back innings
I am not sure if this has been discussed here yet but a few guys at work were talking about a possible deal with the Philly’s for Myers? has anyone else heard that or is just a rumor?
wasn’t roberts off the bag before damon got there???
If Roberts was “in the neighborhood” there, it is a big freaking neighborhood.
what I dont get is how is Joba going to throw 55 pitches tomorrow. I mean what is Andy going to throw 5 innings???
anyone up in the pen now for the Yanks?
200 million bucks and no pitching to speak of besides a closer and a guy they pitch 45 pitches every 5th day.
2708
Shoot yourself for posting that.
Jon
May 27th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
u think johan gives up a 4 run lead?? This is a win now team. The non trade cost us a title or two
Actually…with the “hot air” tonight and being that he gives up a lot of HRs, (being the AL and all) he probably would have given up 6 HRs and then broke his leg ta boot
We can take the lead again right here!!!!
This time, we don’t give it back!!!!
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
Not a great night for pitchers . . .
Ohlendorf could use a nice little wake up at Scranton.
Good to see the Yankees running more.
I root for Giese to get a call up. He has pitched so well for SWB. He can be a long man and he can do what Ohlendorf and Kennedy have forgotten, throw strikes.
Jeter’s got his run back
HR #12 for Santana?
2708 do you work at The Jerk Store?? lol jk
baltimore calling in another pitcher
“Actually…with the “hot air†tonight and being that he gives up a lot of HRs, (being the AL and all) he probably would have given up 6 HRs and then broke his leg ta boot”
Sure he would and I bet he’d blow to 4 run leads and have one win on the season. Right? Give us all a break. Santana is what this team needed and they choked.
Can we finally put an end to the next coming of Wang! Ohlendorf sucks. Plain and simple. His sinker sinks against one batter and not the next. He was an over 4 era in the minors. Why the preferential treatment is beyond me. Time to bring up some long men and relief. Joba come on down. Your starters position is warm for you.
Arod we need an A Bomb
Ohlendorf, Veras, Hawkins, etc. We don’t have a pen.
Great job by Kennedy giving us innings when we need them.
I am so sick and tired of reading about Johan. We don’t have him, end of story.
They wanted Wang, Kennedy, Melky and another prospect.
SA -
Yup. 12th HR of the year given up by Johann.
And when I asked the last time Ohlendorf did this if he should be sent down, I got torched…
OTOH, Matsui needs to get into the homer-fest
it is more then hot air when guys hit the ball 430 feet. ohlendorfs pitches were right down the middle.
“we’re stuck going with 1 inn pitchers rest of night. Don’t be surprised to see Mo be stretched to 2 inn – especially if we’re tied or in the lead. Pitching Joba tonight would’ve resolved the bullpen issue…. major backfire by Joe”
Yes, but we have to learn to win without Joba in the pen at all, remember?
Why couldn’t Cashman get Owings from Arizona instead of those 4 scrubs?
No question Ohlendorf is not a long man.
However, he has to be better than this.
He only threw 4 or 5 pitches in his first inning tonight.
He just crumbled. That’s disturbing.
Scranton should await him and it may be time for JB Cox to get his shot.
Longman? They don’t have one because Karstens is hurt and ineffective in Scranton right now. Igawa is terrible. Hughes is hurt, Kennedy isn’t good and Rasner (a possible longman candidate) is now their hottest starting pitcher.
That means guys like Ohlendorf have to step up. If he can’t, for whatever reason, you have to make a change.
If Kennedy is hurt, its Joba time for the rotation.
If he is not ready until one more outing, I believe they have a off day on Thursday. They can skip the 5th starter because of the off day and have Joba ready to start the next time they need a 5th starter.
What they can’t do is keep the status quo. Its not working.
Its ok to try young pitching. The question is, are you really “developing” them if they are showing they can’t pitch effectively in the majors at this time?
I don’t know the answer to that question. I just know its inexcusable to blow two 4 run leads in 5 innings to a team that has lost 5 of its last 6 games.
Hopefully, the offense has more runs in them tonight. They will need all they can muster to win this one.
Time to see if Horne or anyone else is ready in AAA…? So much for the “what to do” when Joba hits the rotation.
Oh, Jeter….
OMG Jetes are you kidding me
Now I’ve seen everything…
WHAT A JOKE! I have to walk away from this game.
Wow Jeter falling asleep.
nice job jeter…
Mark T in 09,
Hey, thanks for the info. You really cleared that up for me, I appreciate and respect your educated baseball oppinion. I will look elsewhere.
This game is over right now. Watch them give it up here in the bottom. What a F-ing waste of 8 runs.
Derek Reyes?
I am going to go throw up now.
Watching Jay Bruce’s first few ABs, it is very impressive how composed he’s been. Everyone was quoting his K/BB numbers, but 1-1, 2BB, SB so far. Nice job kid.
That’s not something you see everyday.
OH MY GOD!
i cant believe i just saw Jeets get picked off.
offense has to pull this one out tonight!
Oh Captain.
Not good. Momentum continues in the O’s favor.
Come on boys!!
that is how you lose friggin games.
TERRIBLE.. NO FRIGGIN EXCUSES.
reyes did it the other night and we were rightfully all over him..\
\\terrible, where the hell is he going..
SUCK
Jeter just pulled a Jose Reyes
Stupid mistakes like that are hurting them as much as anything. Get your crap together guys.
Jeter. Whacha doing
At least we haven’t walked anyone tonight… It’s time to cleanse our waste – we need to trade/release our entire bullpen save Ramirez and Rivera and clean out our entire bench… pull up our AAA relief corp and Giese and give them an opp.
Jeter gets picked off 2nd and I got to see a long post from Mr Defeatist SJ44??
Why God WHY????
“Why couldn’t Cashman get Owings from Arizona instead of those 4 scrubs?”
we asked they said no, we offered money they said no…anything else you want to misinform the blog about ?
time to see what ohlendorf can do now… grife…
Major mental mistake by Jeter.
Nights like this is why what Bill Parcells has said is always correct.
You are what your record says you are.
Right now, they in last place and playing like a last place team.
Just awful.
I’ll bet Jeter was chatting with the 2nd baseman.
Where did this myth that Ohlendorf is being “stretched” because he isn’t a “long reliever” came from?
This guy has made 16 apperances.
Out of the 16 apperances, he has given up runs 9 times.
Of the 9 times, 6 times the runs were given up in his first inning of work.
The problem isn’t he’s being “stretched”.
The problem is: maybe he just isn’t a very good pitcher. (Not to mention, lefthanders eat him up)
very very bad mistake by jeter there. btu i think he was safe
“Derek Reyes?” LMAO
“Jeter gets picked off 2nd and I got to see a long post from Mr Defeatist SJ44??
Why God WHY????”
Too funny.
Micah Owings is a much better hitter than pitcher. He’s pretty decent in the NL. He’d get eaten alive in the AL.
There is no way the Yankees lose this game, offense will do what it needs to do.
“we asked they said no, we offered money they said no…anything else you want to misinform the blog about ?”
Because you were in the room when they negotiated, Brandon?? Enlighten me as to the negotiations. Really?
Bad mistake by Derek, especially with Alex up and runners on.
edwar time — time to see if pete’s a prognosticator…
Kennedy seems like the new Pavano. Can’t handle the pressure and these weird injuries keep coming up. He is a disgrace anyway. Can’t say that anyone isn’t happy that he is hurt. He clearly wasn’t ready and the great Cashman rushed him because he was too cheap to get a real pitcher. Also I love how other teams AAA pitchers can get the Yanks out but Olendorf can’t get the pathetic AAA Orioles out. I laugh when people say the word play offs and this team…3 AAA pitchers in the bullpen and this rotation is not happening.
Edwar time
I’m sure that MMD will bring up that play tomorrow…and rightfully so. That’s not something Jeter should be doing at this stage in his career. The fact that he is the Yankee Captain made it worse.
Brandon is the same character who wants Aaron Boone to play 1b. Maybe Bowden will take Kennedy for him.
Here comes Edwar in a really big spot. I think it’s more important we hold them down here than in the 8th.
Haha, the Jeter edge commercial comes on. Perfect timing.
It boggles the ming how anyone can seriously take the events and results from a single game and then conclude that this made or unmade trade or that roster move was a huge mistake.
We should have given up too much for Santana and overpaid him for a long-term deal because of the situation on May 27?
Joba should have been chained to the bullpen because Ian and Ross gave up 8 runs?
Please.
before I forget
Mark Melancon’s Goose impression
4.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 K’s
1.50 ERA, GO/AO 8-2
It also boggles the mind — sorry about that, ming.
Kennedy is the new Pavano. Not a place you want to be.
apparently Jeter has an edge…
at least accorinding to this commercial.
Ross Ohlendorf gets put in long relief and goes one inning too long. I’m shocked.
I see the sky is falling again tonight on the blog. Let’s release the ENTIRE bullpen except for two guys. There’s an idea.
Actually, IPK gave up 4 and Ohlendorf gave up 4.
WOooHoo!!
I can hear the train that Igawa is coming on!!
Alright Ramirez – no crying by your locker tonight.
good luck Edwar
Johan “The Dazzler” Santana just gave up his 8th hit, a bullet to Hanley Ramirez.
are we aloud to have a 123 inning?
Well Edwar gets a chance to pick up another win.
Are you paying Santana or any player Nick in San?? What do you care if they give up 3 scrubs for him and pay him?
I want a title this yr. Not maybe, hopefully, 5 yrs from now.
Santana would have delivered us a title.
Oh…and although I totally think Jeter is the bomb….WHAT THE HALE WAS THAT ?…..taking the bat out of A-Rod’s hands with 2 outs and 2 on ? That boy needs to run some laps !
Apologies if it’s been posted, Yanks have apparently signed Ben Broussard to a minor league deal.
http://www.protrade.com/conten.....cb4ce59a15
Just got in… Im too lazy to loook, can someone tell me if the IPK apologists were out again tonight?
I definitely don’t like the Yankees’ chances of winning this one. Rarely do they commit 3 errors, have Jeter get picked off at 2nd, and blow 2 4-run leads and come away with a win.
How many times has Melancon’s line been posted so far tonight?
You get it right. Hughes will never pan out to be an ace. We’ve seen enough from Kennedy to know hes a 5th starter at best and while we all love Melky he is replaceable.
We should not have been deterred from getting Santana.
Apparently we signed Brussard (sp?)
The IPK apologists are going to be taking a field trip to Scranton. YAY!
Arod’s handled 3 pops up today
Gotta try to think of something positive after Jeter’s pickoff
Edwar weighs as much as my right thigh.
we are banned from having 1-2-3 innings…
We can never get Roberts out. We can’t get Millar out. Thank God they traded Tejada.
OMFG Reyes !
Tim in Boston, can you explain how that trade would have guaranteed a title this year?
My favorite IPK apology: “he attacked the zone”. LOL. Thats like saying “she has a really pretty face”
Ohlendorf should be sent to Chase Wright purgatory.
“Its ok to try young pitching. The question is, are you really “developing†them if they are showing they can’t pitch effectively in the majors at this time?”
SJ, that’s a great point. I tend to be of the school that pitchers need to take their lumps in the Majors. It’s why I haven’t been calling for Kennedy to be sent down. In all honesty, he wasn’t as bad as the line looks tonight. Two great innings, and 2 homers burned him in the Second. But the ball is clearly carrying tonight.
As much as I’d love him to develop here, however, once Joba is in the rotation, Kennedy needs to go down to get regular work. Unless Rasner suddenly loses it. But, given how Rasner has pitched, he can’t be removed from the rotation now.
the yankees need to knock millar off the plate. he covering too much of it.
no way can they let him have a hack at #3 without knocking him back.
and it needs to be done first pitch if the situation allows it.
Welcome to raising kid pitchers: little injuries, bouts of inconsistency, really bad location and being unable to limit the damage yet.
Wang, to his unending credit, arrived fully formed and ready to go with the power sinker saving us all a lot of anxiety, but spoiling us too. Most kid pitchers are more like IPK and Hughes than Wang. No knock on Hughes and IPK, but props to Wang.
IMO, Hughes and IPK really have nothing left to learn at the AAA level; they don’t pay for their mistakes there the way they do here. They just need to finish making the transition to the Bigs. That is going to mean taking some lumps, especially playing in the Bronx in a schizo rebuilding/contending season.
what are the yankee announcers watching? Baltimore has 1 unearned run the arod error.. what are they watching???
terrible effort by the Yanks, terrible.
c’mon toothpick
I suppose singles are better than homers, but this isn’t any less annoying.
“Why couldn’t Cashman get Owings from Arizona instead of those 4 scrubs?â€
we asked they said no, we offered money they said no…anything else you want to misinform the blog about ?”
That the Yankees-could-have-gotten-owings-is-a-myth->myth is actually itself questionable. Which version one gets seems dependent upon who you ask/which source you use.
Joel Sherman: “The Yankees could have taken a lesser overall package from Arizona and obtained Micah Owings, who has a 3.38 ERA in four starts for Arizona. Instead, they took Ohlendorf, who has been so abysmal at Triple-A that DeSalvo, Phil Hughes, Chase Wright, Darrell Rasner and Jeff Karstens have all gotten opportunity instead of him.”
East Valley Tribune (Phoenix local paper): “Right-hander Russ Ohlendorf, whom the Yankees accepted rather than Micah Owings, was 1-3 with a 5.19 ERA in seven starts at Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre before suffering back and hamstring injuries that forced him onto the disabled list. Ohlendorf, rehabilitating at the Yankees’ Tampa facility, had given up 42 hits and 19 walks in 34 2/3 inning”
…among other sources. Of course, then there’re a bunch of diff sources that insist Owings was never made available.
My question is: Weren’t you here for Peter’s earlier comments regarding comments? Would it make you a lesser person, to just say to patsy: “Actually, that’s an urban legend and most sources state Owings was never made available.” Instead you opted for the more obnoxious, insulting tone of voice approach. Why? That’s what tends to get people pissed about SJ44 and the clique of regulars and start conflicts on the blog.
“You get it right. Hughes will never pan out to be an ace. We’ve seen enough from Kennedy to know hes a 5th starter at best and while we all love Melky he is replaceable.
We should not have been deterred from getting Santana.”
You can’t evaluate the non-trade after 2 months. Try again after a few years.
this is the night I feel it
Brandon-What did Reyes do now?
“Of the 9 times, 6 times the runs were given up in his first inning of work.
The problem isn’t he’s being “stretchedâ€.
The issue isn’t simply stamina or getting tired it’s approach.
If your role is that of a long man you have to orient yourself from the first pitch you throw to give the team 3 innings.
That’s what Ohlendorf had to do today. So he had to pitch with the idea of going at least 3 innings from the first pitch he threw. He wasn’t able to let it go.
Either way it doesn’t matter for the near term. He is just not a long reliever.
They need to either send him down or change his role.
Either way they need some kind of long man called up from AAA.
Wait, so we’ve signed yet another 1B guy? That makes 10 guys at first, right?
“Joba should have been chained to the bullpen because Ian and Ross gave up 8 runs?”
No, but you can’t create a vacuum in the pen either, which is clearly what we have…
this is not the spot for Edwar to give up his 1st run.
Let’s see Nick in San. We are playing 500 ball with the two rookies having done nothing. You don’t think Santana comes in and in 10 starts having 8 quality starts? You don’t think as a lefty in Yankee Stadium he dominates at home? We have enough ion the minors to deal Kennedy for sure and if they think hughes is even half of Santana they are kidding themselves.
You have Santana-Wang-Pettitte-Mussina and Chamberlain. Like it should be.
Mussina should not be a 3. He’s barely a 5. And Rasner would have bumped him by now and we’d have our long man.
why is this team having such difficulty with a last or second to last place team???
Good job by Ramirez there, in the end.
Edwar is the ultimate bend-don’t-break pitcher right now. Nothing phases him.
PHEW!
YankeeJosh:
You wrote at 9:16 pm: “I tend to be of the school that pitchers need to take their lumps in the Majors.”
I wrote at 9:16 pm: “They just need to finish making the transition to the Bigs. That is going to mean taking some lumps, especially playing in the Bronx in a schizo rebuilding/contending season.”
Great minds think alike, at least when it comes to lumps.
Well, that was exciting.
More offense, boys.
“Can’t say that anyone isn’t happy that he is hurt.”
What the heck??? Happy about someone being hurt?
Ack.
Whew!! Got out of it.
Come on Arod, get those runners on 1st and 2nd in, oh wait…..
sunny….because every team in the AL is playing well this year.
CB’s posts look a lot like SJ44’s posts. Interesting.
Ohlendorf failed in his 2nd inning tonight it was not a 4 inning 60 pitch outing.. he has not been effective regardless of gammons love of him so far so BAD>>>
When will some of you understand that a “title” is not a birthright, nor is it guaranteed, nor can one player deliver one to “us” (and exactly what did “us” do to earn this title?)
“see Nick in San. We are playing 500 ball with the two rookies having done nothing. You don’t think Santana comes in and in 10 starts having 8 quality starts? You don’t think as a lefty in Yankee Stadium he dominates at home? We have enough ion the minors to deal Kennedy for sure and if they think hughes is even half of Santana they are kidding themselves.
You have Santana-Wang-Pettitte-Mussina and Chamberlain. Like it should be.
Mussina should not be a 3. He’s barely a 5. And Rasner would have bumped him by now and we’d have our long man.”
If only it were that simple…
Tim in Boston -
I think that even if you don’t listen to it, the idiocy of WEEI in Boston has seeped into your brain by osmosis.
I prescribe one aluminum foil hat to be worn 24×7
Santana has not been good this year and that is at the start of a $136M contract.
“this is not the spot for Edwar to give up his 1st run.”
He agreed! All hail the toothpick!! God I love this kid, though I kinda want to kidnap him on an off day and force-feed him lasagna…
For one year who can argue that they’d rather have Kennedy and Hughes over Santana? That’s just ridiculous.
Murphydog,
You summed up my thoughts perfectly. I’m willing to live with the kids struggling because I know the upside is there.
Tim in Boston: You wouldn’t have Santana and Wang in the rotation simultaneously; Santana would directly replace Wang (in v2 of the deal, it was Wang+Kennedy+Cabrera+Marquez+another prospect)
“You can’t evaluate the non-trade after 2 months. Try again after a few years.”
So, we’ll meet back here at the blog in 2010 at about 7:05ish to discuss.
“Let’s see Nick in San. We are playing 500 ball with the two rookies having done nothing. You don’t think Santana comes in and in 10 starts having 8 quality starts? You don’t think as a lefty in Yankee Stadium he dominates at home? We have enough ion the minors to deal Kennedy for sure and if they think hughes is even half of Santana they are kidding themselves.
You have Santana-Wang-Pettitte-Mussina and Chamberlain. Like it should be.
Mussina should not be a 3. He’s barely a 5. And Rasner would have bumped him by now and we’d have our long man.”
The Yankees offered the Twins Hughes and Melky and a minor leaguer for Santana at the winter meetings. The Twins sat on the offer, and when Mike Cameron signed with the Brewers, the Yankees pulled their offer.
If the Yankees had went through with the deal anyway, who plays AAA? Damon?
This board seems EXTRA negative tonight.
oh yeh SA he bobbled an inning ending DP w/ a runner at 3rd 4-3 got no outs.
There you go again, Doreen – raining on the “we’re entitled” parade with logic and reason.
Tim in Boston, that’s a nice fantasy, and some fantasies come true, so maybe things would be just as rosy as you suggest. Furthermore, perhaps Santana’s presence on the roster would have kept Arod and Posada off the DL and his inspiration would have helped Cano and Giambi and Melky and Damon hit in April. It all might be true.
Buying the stud free agent pitcher is no guarantee of anything. I hope you understand that this is pure speculation, nobody knows what Santana’s real numbers would be in the Bronx this season. You want to take imaginary paper numbers and plug them into a fantasy? No problem, we all speculate like that. But there’s no verdict on the non-trade right now.
wow, the armchair scouts and prognosticating pontificators are out in full effect tonight! Are you all auditioning to be talking heads on SNY?
not every thought you come up with needs to be submitted, edit edit edit.
Lol, I meant who plays CF.
I am glad the Yanks AAA pitchers can’t get anyone out..But the great Arod swings at a pitcher over his head by Mr.AAA. What a joke…
This game is over. Our pen stinks and we forget to hit after the 5th inning in 2008. Not the O’s fault the starter can’t protect a 4 run lead. Twice.
IMO, Ohlendorf tonight may be showing the effects of being “Proctored” by Girardi. He was not prepared to be a long man and has been ridden like a rented mule.
Can someone explain to me why we signed yet another guy to play first?
Doreen
Spot on.
Tim in Boston
May 27th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
You have Santana-Wang-Pettitte-Mussina and Chamberlain. Like it should be.
Mussina should not be a 3. He’s barely a 5. And Rasner would have bumped him by now and we’d have our long man.
Yeah….I don’t think the rotation would have looked like that cause they wanted either wang or Joba thrown into that deal as well.
Meatloaf, that’s the problem, it isn’t just for one year, it’s seven. The Yankees need to stop paying pitchers for what they did somewhere else and they need to stop funding small market teams via the luxury tax. Not trading for Santana accomplishes both things, plus allows us to hang on to Wanger.
Ohlendorf should be sent down after today and be reconditioned as a setup man NOT a freaking long reliever. Call up Karstens to be long relief if hes ready.
“When will some of you understand that a “title†is not a birthright, nor is it guaranteed, nor can one player deliver one to “us†(and exactly what did “us†do to earn this title?”
Totally, one hundred percent agreed.
And these people wonder why every non-Yankees fan thinks Yankees fans are arrogant pricks?
Thats quite possible, Murph. He has been used a lot more than anticipated.
com’on Porniambi !
Patrick,
We aren’t the same guy. Don’t believe me? Ask Pete. He will verify it.
Im just glad Kay and Sterling killed Jeter… I wonder if Sterling and The Wig did as well?
I meant Singleton
On the bright side, Giambi’s left field near HRs might start beating the shift…
ohhhhhhhhhhh Surfate got lucky there
A great pitcher such as Santana would keep you in games when your offense wasn’t clicking because two big bats were on the DL.
Do I have to spell out for you that having great starting p;itching is how you win titles? Not trying out 22 yr old kids on the major league level and hoping they are good.
Santana is already great. kennedy? Pullll leaaaze. We have seen enough of him to know he’s barely major league adequate.
And Hughes? He throws 92 mph. That’s a front line starter? When he can’t locate?
Forgive me for wanting to win titles and having the games best lefty when we should have.
“oh yeh SA he bobbled an inning ending DP w/ a runner at 3rd 4-3 got no outs.”
Are you talking about Jose Reyes? Conventional thinkers believe that he and Willie don’t get along and that is the reason his play is subpar this season. I don’t buy it. Sounds like Farnsy, who couldn’t pitch because Torre didn’t like him. A baseball player should be able to do his job regardless of whether he likes his boss or not.
Jeez –
Can’t Giambi pull the ball anymore????
/sarcasm
Sterling went into his HR call on that. Doesn’t the Yankee health plan cover lasik for announcers?
ha! the wig..
I’ve seen this Ford Edge commerical like a gazzilion times.
Last week, i think it was that Henekein ad. So annoying.
“And these people wonder why every non-Yankees fan thinks Yankees fans are arrogant pricks?”
I could give a rats what anyone thinks of me or Yankee fans in general. A title is our birthright and we should win every year. We aren’t good enough? Don’t have enough resources?
“Wang, to his unending credit, arrived fully formed and ready to go with the power sinker saving us all a lot of anxiety, but spoiling us too.”
This is exactly right. Wang was the first major home grown pitcher the team developed since pettite. And he just stepped in from day one without any hitches. And he was 25.
That’s the exception for young pitchers – the big exception.
We’re not going to know the shape of the pitching staff until Joba is in the rotation and we see how the bull pen changes in response.
murphydog- I agree with your 8:24 post. Every manager has his toy, and Ohlendorf is fast becoming Girardi’s toy.
And the broken record continues to be played about the Santana situation again. One great player does not a championship team make. We can’t go “what if?, what if?” I agree with Don Meredith’s line about ifs, ands, and buts.
Jeez…tampa bay. i’m living in bizarro world.
seriously.
even the toilet bowl flushes the other way.
I get a little frustrated at being lumped in with people who think that its their birthright as Yankee fans for this team to win every year – and anything less is failure.
murphydog: I’d believe it
I’d probably send him down to AAA now just to save his arm, then pick up a real long man (…of course, I can’t think of anybody now), or someone expendable (Britton or Giese; although Girardi never uses Britton…)
Millar is due up this inning. Here’s a suggestion: WALK HIM!!!!!
jason’s swing is great right now.
Man….I think something’s wrong with my TV. When Edwar turns sideways, I can’t see him
Well, I care Bill Bo. I’m tired of being lumped in with fans like you. Its embarrassing.
SJ = CB?
No. Each has lots of baseball firepower, but obviously different styles. I’m glad they are both here.
“A great pitcher such as Santana would keep you in games when your offense wasn’t clicking because two big bats were on the DL.
Do I have to spell out for you that having great starting p;itching is how you win titles? Not trying out 22 yr old kids on the major league level and hoping they are good.
Santana is already great. kennedy? Pullll leaaaze. We have seen enough of him to know he’s barely major league adequate.
And Hughes? He throws 92 mph. That’s a front line starter? When he can’t locate?
Forgive me for wanting to win titles and having the games best lefty when we should have.”
I found at least one site that cited that Johan Santana averaged 92.4 mph in 2005 and that’s down to 91 this year.
:shrug:
If Johan declines over the next few years, you’d be whining ‘Why did Cashman trade that young, cheap, Cy Young Hughes for this?’
WTF!
edwar’s K/9 is taking a big hit 2nite
Thanks for expanding on your thoughts, Tim in Boston, I understand your thinking on this subject much better now.
murph and j-dawg
FYI – Ohly hadn’t pitched in a week.
Yankee Killer Kevin Millar with HR #3 ?
Sterling and The Wig are perhaps the worst announcing team in the history of professional sports. It simply doesnt get any worse
Patrick,
Instead of making some kind of passive aggressive, pseudo-veiled statement if you have an assertion to make why don’t you just say it?
Instead, you chose to hide behind snarky comments posted on the internet.
That’s commendable.
That brunette woman in the Ford Edge commercial sitting at the outdoor cafe sounds like she is really really into Jeter.
The yanks could really use someone like Kevin Millar
BBB May 27th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
“Meatloaf, that’s the problem, it isn’t just for one year, it’s seven. The Yankees need to stop paying pitchers for what they did somewhere else and they need to stop funding small market teams via the luxury tax. Not trading for Santana accomplishes both things, plus allows us to hang on to Wanger.”
Who cares about 7 yrs? You think the Yanks wouldn’t trade 2 dead yrs for 5 great yrs? Even one title? We pay Pavano, Giambi, Karsay, Igawa. Money isn’t a factor for us at all. Don’t start nickeling and diming when you have a 225 mill payroll, a network, a new stadium, etc.
And if the system is as good as we all say it is. Would trading 3 prospects really hurt? They wanted Hughes, Melky, and Kennedy.
They knew Joba was out and Wang was a last minute attempt when they thought they couldn’t get Hughes.
Really? Who wouldn’t do that trade over right now? We all think Gardner is a stud right? What do we lose?
I’m getting tired of them pitching to Millar.
yup that feeling is back again
Unreal…
I don’t mind Millar but he needs one up by the chin next time around.
I hate Kevin Millar. It’s as simple as that.
He might hit us better than Manny does.
WHY?? Farnsworth is so giving up a hit
Ugh, Farnsy better not give Edwar his first ER.
I thought it was pretty clear CB/SJ.
From the Glass Half-Full Department: At least Millar’s hit wasn’t a homer.
I hate Millar!! You would think he was a hall of famer or even major leaguer when you see him play against the Yanks.
Calling a cancer survivor the wig is beyond bad taste.
Farnsworth in the middle of an inning…I suppose this could work.
Edwar was hardly sharp, anyway.
enough with the santana whining already
that was an absolutely ridiculously bad miss by ramirez.
you never go down and in against millar.
it’s lucky that wasn’t #3.
It is time for the Steinbrenner family to take out a contract on Millar’s life.
Willie might be ok tonight
has anyone esle seen the photo of Eli Manning holding a puppy on this blog or am I just having bad dreams again
Okay, so they signed Broussard to play in AAA. Thank God. If he was going to get into the current 1B mix, I was going to hurl.
I’m on MLB.TV and they didn’t say who was coming in. Who’s Giradi bringing in?
These are the types of games that Santana would never lose.
And I would like to win and I’m sure most of the people here would like to as well. What gives us a better shot?
Kennedy/Hughes or Santana?
Throw me in the Cashman messed up category and I’ll gladly apologize if the young guys make me eat my words.
Joba is mummifying himself.
wow. Millar is ONLY batting .300 against us. i thought it was at least .330…
c’mon farnsy!
I had no idea she had cancer, seriously. Sorry about that. She is still unlisten-to-able tho’.
he was safe but ill take it!
Farnsworth is terrible.
EDWAR STAYS SCORELESS !
LASER!!!!!!
w00t!!!! 0 ER for Edwar!
niiiice!!!!
BOBBY doing his best Nick Markakis impression!
Abreu makes the play!!!!!
Go Yanks!!!!
we have to win after that gift of a call
wow….abreu actually did something good, defensively….i think i saw a pig fly by the flagpole
You do have a fastball, Kyle!
Bobby can still throw!
NICE!!!! Even the bad karma of Kyle Farnsworth couldn’t hurt Edwar.
And I think Eli holding the puppy is there to give Pete Abe happy thoughts when times are tough.
We might have caught a break there. He looked safe. Betemit should have had that ball.
Tim in Bosotn- We get the point.
When was the last time we had a Jay Bruce in the minors? Is it so much to ask for them developing a stud position player?
betemit makes giambi look like mattingly
Cashman didn’t have to trade for Santana BUT he didn’t do a single thing to improve the pitching on this team. He hasn’t for 7 years. If you don’t make that trade you need a back up plan and rushing kids who clearly aren’t ready is not a back up plan. You think other GMs wouldn’t love and can’t build a team when they are given $200m to work with??!! His big free agent signing was Hawkins??!! Obviously he doesn’t know how to help the team so it is time for someone else to be given the chance.
Very close. Live it looked like Millar was just out on a great fast tag by Molina.
Betemit did not look good going after that ball, and a bad job by Farnsworth giving up a hit after being ahead 0-2.
That said, I’ll take the break. That’s baseball, as Sterling would say.
Mark Teixera in 09 — THAT pic of ELI is funny as hell.
FWIW, Santana hasn’t been above 92 all night. Not that velocity matters. Just an aside.
This team is not one player away from a championship. Not even close.
Bobby Abreu just bails out Girardi for a foolish pitching change.
FYI: Ben Broussard is 3-3 with 2 doubles, 3 runs scored, and 3 RBI so far tonight in Scranton.
Its 9-7 Scranton over Pawtucket in the 6th.
checked it out in slo mo he was definitely safe!
What a game!!
This will be such a boost if they can pull this off after it being such a back and forth fight all night.
“These are the types of games that Santana would never lose.”
I need further clarification, are you talking xbox or playstation?
I’m shocked he made a good throw for once. He has a strong arm, but he’s rarely accurate.
now THAT is the spark we need to come through and win this game….way to toss a laser, BOO BOO !
Wow, it looks like Molina got him a second before his foot touched the plate. The Ump just guessed on that one.
Jebus that was close. Why do Baltimore’s pitchers always get so lucky?!
Oh, and I second the “we’re not entitled to a title” statement. However, though I don’t think we’re entitled I still want to win the WS….but not just one, several. The best way to do that is build a core of home grown talented players ala the 90s, and fill out the rest of the roster with players acquired in trades for prospects we didn’t need. Obviously this doesn’t happen overnight, we’re still in the building the core phase….the kids are gonna take their bumps and bruises, and I wish they’d develop faster too…but won’t it be worth it when the Yanks are legit title contenders every year? I know I will look back on these days fondly eventually. It’s the journey, not just the destination!
I know that sounded corny and I know I’m not saying anything we havent all heard before, but this negativity is absolutely ridiculous. It’s one thing to post a logical analysis of a pitchers shortcomings but these reactionary, hysterical statements like “Cash is a failure for not getting Owings” or “Santana would have delivered a title” are beyond ludicrous and are sucking all the enjoyment out of this blog. For those of you who remember me posting on here last year and are wondering why I havent been around this season…well this is why.
thank you good night…sorry so long but I had to say my piece on this one. For the voices of reason in the crowd, shine on ya crazy diamonds, and for you negative nancies, go cry about Santana somewhere else!
“The yanks could really use someone like Kevin Millar”
You mean a former Red Sock who can’t score from 2nd base on a single to right?
We already have one of those, thank you very much.
(J. Damon)
Kyle 0 and 2 gave up a hit and we have vacuum betemit covering ground on the right side.
he was safe…..
they cannot get a 1B that can field for yrs. it is a JOKE…
so not safe, that was no gift
Patrick,
We aren’t the same person. If you don’t want to believe it, and one e-mail to Pete would confirm what I’m telling you, that’s fine.
But, kindly stop making false accusations. That shouldn’t be too hard, should it?
great now the Yanks cant buy a run
i have it in stop-action and he is safe looking at it right now and his foot is on the plate and molina doesnt have the tag on his foot yet.
this game is quite silly…….
Did you guys know that Cano is dating Kim Jones?
Pop quiz: Explain the significance behind “22 innings pitched, 47 baserunners, eight home runs, zero wins, four losses, 9.00 ERA.”
(I’ll give you a second.)
(And … time!)
Yup, those are the 2008 stats for Phil Hughes.
(Did you know the Yankees refused to include him in a deal for Johan Santana? No, really! I swear to God!)
do the inevitable and lose this game in regulation no extra innings.
what a disgrace.. jeter base running, great pitching,
Molina is some hitter, god is he awful….
Patrick even if CB and SJ were the same person why the hell do you care. Find a better hobby.
Man with Joba out of the Bullpen we are ready for a rocky 7 to 9 innings.And Fransworth got away with that.In big games he is just a scary.
never say die ! keep the faith !
Nice for Betemit, Cano and Molina to swing at the 1st pitch. Did they ever hear of taking pitches and maybe trying to get on base? I guess they didn’t realize that the game is tied and not the Yanks are not losing 10-0. Atleast not yet….
Just got in but got highlights on the radio.
I was against Kennedy coming back and except for one game I haven’t changed that opinion.
Wow I missed a lot of power tonight. Hopefully I’ll catch the highlights on BBT.
I hear that Ewar did a great job. I got to watch the last play and think that Betemit maybe should have had that but luckily it worked out.
I will now read all the comments.
Geeze.
And I hate to say it but it is appearing that Ollie doesn’t have the stuff I thought he would. Maybe he’s hurt?
GO YANKEES!!!
GO MARINERS!!!!
On a totally different topic, every time I hear the name McDiess I think of a Ronald McDonald character. GOOD ON YA PISTONS!
Hi everyone.
that inning was pathetic… 5 pitches?? sheesh. Betemit, Cano and Molina should be ashamed of themselves… take a pitch!
do the Yanks have a plane to catch? 4 pitches, 3 out in top of the 8th.
You know SJ those who protest so much are usually guilty.
“Did you guys know that Cano is dating Kim Jones?”
there is no proof of this ugly rumor
Two terrible breaking balls and a poorly placed fastball.
Not only does he throw a wrench in the flexibility of the bullpen short Joba, he still cannot pitch.
Yet Girardi refuses to believe that just because he caught him in CHC, Kyle Farnsworth is barely a poor NL middle reliever.
Cashman as well refuses to believe that he’s absolutely horrendous.
It’s simply disgusting.
“I’m shocked he made a good throw for once. He has a strong arm, but he’s rarely accurate.”
Abreu has the second highest assist total for any RF in the AL so far this year.
Wanting and hoping for them to win, isn’t the same as feeling like you are entitled to it. Thats why we’re fans right? We hope they win each year.
Expecting that they win every single year and calling it failure if they don’t is entitlement. There is a almost a sense of it being a personal affront to fans if they don’t win every year, thats rather disturbing.
Farnsy again? Ugh!
excuse me – I was being generous – 4 pitches…
kee-rist.
Nice patience by those 3 Yankees, huh ? Do you believe that they made that pitcher throw a full FOUR TOTAL PITCHES to retire 3 batters ????? NICE NICE JOB, BOYS !
Toss up another zero and the Yankees have the top of the order due up in the 9th, maybe they can find a way to win this CRAZY game yet.
Hey Sox Guy go somewhere
“Bobby Abreu just bails out Girardi for a foolish pitching change.”
Well, we can expect a lot more foolishness then since Girardi appears convinced that Farnsworth is the bridge to Mo…
So I come home to see Yanks blew a 8-4 lead, Kennedy stinks and Yanks can’t win and still in last place with their “easy schedule”…the rumbling, stumbling, last place yanks
Walk the leadoff guy!!!
Great job 8th inning man.
Farnsworth, I hate you.
Farnsworth is about to get rocked
where is MO ? Get him up !!!
How is Kyle Farnsworth still in the major leagues?
can broussard field?? then we can get rid of both ensberg and trade betemit.
Maybe we can trade for Beltran… he’s doing nothing in Queens and maybe a change in scenery would help… I’d trade Melky for Carlos as long as the Mets throw a few bones over.
And Farnsy walks a batter on 4 pitches….am I surprised? NOPE
Abreu makes good throws more often than he doesn’t. Its probably just easier to remember the few times he hasn’t.
c’mon rain…. c’mon rain…
assuming farnsworthless doesn’t blow up and give away the game.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm…………. I wonder if Tim from Boston is the same as Sox Guy.
I have a feeling how this is going to turn out. Not hard to guess.
I hate to agree with Russ but Kennedy does stink.
shapeshifter
May 27th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Did you guys know that Cano is dating Kim Jones?
Jay Leno’s daughter? Why?
Good grief, these O’s announcers are making things up as they go along, lol.
I feel like we are burying the lead, is Broussard good defensively? If so, he might be a better option than Ensberg at this point. Next reclamation project.
Sox troll, you’ve posted that before.
Just wait until Hughes is shutting down your precious Sawx over the next several years
COME ON KYLE!
I’m a little nervous here
i sense an impending implosion….prove me wrong Krazay Kyle.
Gary Thorn is a blithering idiot… go back to hockey…
Game over. Kennedy, please retire, please. Trivia: When is the last team with a $209 million payroll in last place on May 27th?? A: The Yankees
“with Joba out of the Bullpen we are ready for a rocky 7 to 9 innings”
You should have been here for innings 2 and 5!
WOW. He’s back out for another inning!?
I’m shocked he didn’t go back into the clubhouse and call the players union once he left the field after being bailed out by Abreu demanding he be given the next 36-48 hours to rest.
Didn’t know they signed Broussard this afternoon, released by Texas May 15, batting .159. I think he’s 31.
If he can dust off that bat, he’s a real 1st baseman.
Would it kill Giradi to have Mo go two innings here?
this is a liquor moment
We need to stall until it rains.
2 more outs
2 more outs
How does he walk the 8th place hitter who can’t hit?
I have absolutely zero confidence that Farnsworth will get out of this.
we really need some strike outs here Farns. Show you can be the 8th inning guy!!
I need something in the 100 proof range, I think.
Is Kim Jones really Jay Leno’s daughter?
With a lead maybe you’d go to Mo, but not with it tied… I don’t know why Kyle is out there though…
I need a cigarette right now
Horrific folks!!
Broussard will fit right in with this roster of guys who can’t hit, can’t run, can’t field and play 1b.
I believe Kyle will get us out of this. But I can’t blame anyone for feeling nervous. When you’ve been burned, fire can be a scary thing.
Have to love the 4 pitch walk. Hooray that is Farns at his best. This is going to be another pathetic loss!!
“Didn’t know they signed Broussard this afternoon, released by Texas May 15, batting .159. I think he’s 31.
If he can dust off that bat, he’s a real 1st baseman.”
It looks like they signed him to play in AAA as Miranda is injured. Not sure BB is making it to the bigs.
Huge test for Farnsworth right here…gotta shut ‘em down!!!!
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
What do you say to Farnsworth? He can’t locate a slider, partly because it hangs like a beach ball. His fastball can be timed and crushed.
“Kyle, do it like we used to back with the Cubbies! I believe in you!”
Stop throwing that slider!
With our luck this year, O’s get a run, rain comes, 9-8 final in 8 innings.
Go over.
Screw liquor, it aint strong enough, this is a big fat doobster of some sticky icky icky moment!
You can’t be an 8th inning guy and walk the 8th place hitter.
Just not done.
Thank you Molina!!!!
shapeshifter
May 27th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Is Kim Jones really Jay Leno’s daughter?
HAHAHA….Have you SEEN that jawline?!
It’s ok, that last pitch didn’t happen, Farnsy will come through…
serenity now…
TK– Yes, like Kevin Millar — a right handed semi capable first baseman who can hit over two hundred.
(the slow footedness would fit in with the team concept).
where have all the firstbasemen gone?
We have a 2 DHs and 2 players from other positions on the chart.
c’mon krazy!
The difference between this year and previous years, is that even in games like this, I always knew that there was a good chance that we’d win these kind of games. This year… not so much.
*exhales*
LOL! Wow.
A DP
I am shocked!!
I am so not dating Robbie, did he say something??
Yeeessssss!!!!!
GOOD ON YA KYLE!!!!
Wow, I’m shocked!
Everyone go buy a Powerball ticket
Whew! I was nervous there.
I am speechless
Wow. Wow.
You never now with Farnsy. Major props there.
huge props for farnsy
GREAT JOB!
GIRARDI IS A GENIUS !!!!
Always trusted you, Farnsy!
See, you just have to find your happy place with Kyle and things will be ok.
wasn’t pretty, but he got out of it…
Kyle escapes! Whew!
yeah baby!!!!!!!
lets win this now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Double play, good job again Farnsworth, shutting up the haters.
Time to put up a crooked number and hand the ball to MO !
Wow he got out of it
What do you guys think. We get 1 run and then go to Mo
luck, I will take it but Kyle 4 pitch walk to the 8th hitter, he is a wreck waiting to happen.
TRISHA!
I love you.
“Double play, good job again Farnsworth, shutting up the haters.”
We have Kyle’s back, JeffNJ.
no matter what farnsworth does the rest of his career with the yankees. i don’t think even once will i ever call him “farnsy” .
but good job there. he threw strikes to mora.
Forgot to credit Chad Jennings on the Broussard factoids.
http://emedia.thetimes-tribune.....Horne.aspx
Thank goodness!
Great job Wetteland…lets get a run so MO can close the show.
General baseball question, guys:
Do ERA leaders tend to be righties or lefties?
I’m sifting through pitching stats on mlb right now to see how Santana stacks up; so far I’ve seen Cliff Lee, Joe Saunders, Dana Eveland, and Danks with better era (and era+, for that matter) than him for the lefties. The righties list includes Volquez (best in the league right now), Lincecum, Matsuzaka, Carlos Zambrano, Dempster, Marcum, Cook, Greinke, Jurrjens, Peavy (yes, his era+ is actually 132!), Sheets, Hudson, Contreras, Webb, Wainwright, Halladay; ah hell, this list is getting long now.
“Shutting up the haters”
As if people are so out of line for hating Kyle Farnsworth
Good job again, Jeff?
You cannot actually think Kyle Farnsworth is a reliable pitcher.
7 HRs in 23 innings now and he was signed to be an elite setup man.
That’s not hating. It’s wanting the disappointment to stop.
lol
look at this clown’s hat
this is a great game, both teams are really into it, you can see both benches are up and into it, the crowd is raucous! you gotta love this! (unless you’re a pitcher!)
OMG! We might see Rivera in a tie game on the road!
Atleast BB can field when a ball is hit right to him. Unlike Duncan, Betemit and sometimes Giambi. The Yanks are the only team in baseball that have decided that any sort of defense is not necessary at 1st base.
Damon is trying to get the fans to stop calling for his head. Great baserunning there.
yess. Sherill is crap
yeah, joba’s hat is very close to his
lead off man on!! Runner is scoring position, good base running!!
LET’S GO YANKEES!
GOOD JOB DAMON!
Go, Go…Go Johnny Go, Go…
Cano also dated Deb Kaufman when he was in AAA
if we have any guts…we bring johnny home…no excuses
JD has some large grapefruits…
Damon’s right on everything today!
Okay, let’s win this one!
BIG HIT JOHNNY!!
My happy place with Kyle in that game situation, involes prescription drugs and 100 proof.
what?
Another nod to the all “Much-maligned” group that Nick in SF mentioned during the second inning. Farnsworth got exactly what he needed.
Yankeefanfoev13, thank you. That made me very happy!
bunt, Derek
bunt, Derek
BUNT OR SWING? BUNT OR SWING??
DAMN IT STARTED TO RAIN
Patrick,
Instead of making some kind of passive aggressive, pseudo-veiled statement if you have an assertion to make why don’t you just say it?
Instead, you chose to hide behind snarky comments posted on the internet.
That’s commendable.
Argg my good name is being tarnished! The “Patrick” that implied you are the same as SJ is not me. I am the Patrick that posts more often, most notably I argued with SJ about the value of Bronson Arroyo. All the previous posts in this thread were by me, talking about Giambi, his defense, Ortiz, etc. Sorry this is a distracting comment but I don’t want you to think I’m a jerk.
the race against the rain Jetes stop looking uncomfortable !
jeter gotsta move him here!
bunt jeter
Blargh,
You’d have to dig deeper into it by figuring out the ratio of righties to lefties since there is a clear numbers difference and account for that. You’d also have to define which pitchers count, defining how many innings at this point in the season determine a pitcher elligible, etc.
“Abreu has the second highest assist total for any RF in the AL so far this year.”
Manny Ramirez is consistently one of the league leaders in outfield assists. So, I’m not sure what this statistic is supposed to show.
Jeter can’t bunt for $20 million
Good night to take off for Jeter
Pathetic, Jeter.
Jeter trying to force a bunt. Pitches are out of the zone.
Great at-bat by Jeter.
oh my….
oh he is not having a good game
Damon Doubles. Now just maybe the Yanks can play NL small ball, bunt him over to 3rd and knock in a run, after that!!
Nice going Captain
Nick in SF:
Thasts why we need a starter and a set-up man.The reason for SAntana was for him just to go 200 innings and play good.Look what has happened by keeping Kennedy.
Regadless if Joba is good as a starter we still need a free agent starter next year.And Kennedy,Joba and Hughes aren’t gonna all be in the rotation next year.Thats 100%
Kennedy is headed to AAA.Either now or when Hughes gets healthy.
Man, it’s pouring.
c’mon Bobby
Jeter’s having a crappy game… where’s the Attny General when you need him.
The rain is wild.
jeter needs a day off. all players need to be accountable. he’s just plain out of it. when he can’t bunt , you know something is out of whack with him.
Ok, Patrick (the good one). Didn’t think so.
Its probably the same guy who has had about 20 names today on his stalking mission.
Thanks for clearing it up.
That folks is why the Yanks are in last place
I never thought I would say this but Jeter is KILIING US!!!
This strike zone is pitiful! Replace umps with Questec now!
CROOKED NUMBER TIME !!!….Man, is Damon making some people look a bit silly, huh ???
Jeter has an edge
This is horrific.
randy l., for some reason “farnsy” helps me get past the scary moments and bad outings more than “krazy kyle”. But alchohol might work better still.
this is the game from hell
Trisha…re your tag:
“For all of you who said that relief pitching in the later innings is no big deal, time to button it.”
I don’t think anyone said it’s not important. IN today’s game, of course it’s important. However, some of us believe starting pitching is much more valueable. If Joba started tonight and went 6 innings and allowed 3 runs (a quality start), the bullpen only would have had to protect a 5 run lead. Ifs and buts, but if anything, this game shows the importance of starting pitching imo.
Jeter has been ABSOLUTELY horrible. I know no one is allowed to talk about the golden boy. But he is awful. Gets picked off 2nd, can’t bunt and swings at crap. He must of went to the Cano school of swinging at anything in sight. I knew that the extremely unfundamental Yanks would mess up this inning.
Unfortunately, Sherrill is a great pitcher.
dammit !
I guess rain means “make the zone eight feet wide”
if they’re getting the same as we’ve been getting here in philadelphia tonight, its gonna rain really hard for a really short time then clear up for a while.
Come on Matsui, knock the cover off the ball.
Whether the Yankees score or not, Mariano Rivera has to pitch in the bottom of this inning.
Man, that second strike was RIDICULOUS. Totally outside.
What a waste by Jeter and Abreu after Damon’s double.
Runner on 2nd 0 outs and they can’t even get the guy to third….that is little league stuff
Hit-Deki time.
Jeter and Boo-Boo…..I will resist the temptation to say how NON-CLUTCH you just were….Derek needs to go back to bunting school ??? Hot DANG !
ugh — abreu is helpless against lefties.
matsui — not so bad.
Damon gets a double and we leave him stranded – terrific.
Jeter hasn’t been right since he got hit on the hand last week. I agree, time for a day or two off.
I think Sui doubles against the wall…
How are they playing right now??
JW: Good points
My arbitrary inning cutoff right now is if I see over 50 IP, I take a look (I really hope no reliever has thrown that much at this point)
I’d love to know what the righty to lefty ratio is for starting pitchers
GODZILLA !!! Sah-weet !!!
This team is really bad
Wow, Jay Bruce 3/3 with 2 BBs.
Matsui is due…
Ha, nice edit on the “so windy” update…
well, if not arod, this is the next guy id choose to have up here. cmon hideki!
why are they playing?
Way to go Girardi! At least make your point with the ump.
Its really a joke to be playing in conditions.
Its unfair to both teams.
:shakes head:
bunt Matsui
Also its pretty obvious that SJ and CB aren’t the same person. Both are intelligent when it comes to baseball and are good contributers to the blog.
In my opinion SJ has more of an old school knowledge of the game, he knows some scouts and has some inside info. CB on the other hand is obviously younger than SJ and is more of a sabremetric guy.
they need top put the tarp on
Jeter really stinks sometimes.
That’s farcical.
Disgraceful. You can’t score after a leadoff double with the heart of your order coming up? This team lost this game once again on its offense and lack of fundamentals.
No, Matsui is out.
I’m actually not shocked the leadoff double didn’t score.
7 different 1B at scranton this year already
It is really a joke to have a leadoff double and can’t score
Give Kennedy a break.
Now if they’re unsure about Kennedy then, they should put him into the same process that they have for joba.
Start Kennedy in the bull pen and let him work his way back to being a starter. He pitched in relief at one point & he was alright.
Are they going to bring Mo to the mound in a canoe?
so now they call the game?
disgrade Demuth is a friggin moron like most of these ump jackasses.
what a friggin disgrace… wasted there 5th hitter and all this crap.
DISGRACE….
I don’t think the fans understand how horrible those conditions are, good job by Joe letting them know. He made his point.
“Meanwhile it’s so windy that Edwar has been sent to the clubhouse.”
Hahaha, that was funny, Pete.
Why are they playing in rain like that. That was ridiculous – for both teams. No wonder Girardi is peeved.
abreu had a 2 run homer earlier in the game against a lefty
wow that ump was really classy there….
How the league handles games with rainy conditions is really mindboggling at times. Games with sprinkles are delayed, but games with downpours must continue. What gives?
Oh so now it’s a delay. Girardi is right Matsui couldn’t see and they didn’t call it. Now that the at bat is over it’s a delay. Wonderful umpiring.
How is thia fair? Matsui has to bat in the rain, but the birds get to wait until it is clear? Girardi should be pissed, I don’t get crap like that.
with the weather conditions the way they are = do you risk injuring MO – he might tweak something??
The Yankees just are not a contender. I don’t know if they can turn it around later or not, but they just don’t have it right now.
People are going to say “can’t score the leadoff double?” But they’re playing in a monsoon. It’s protestable that the umpires make the Yankees bat in those conditions, while the Orioles will get the bottom of the 9th with no inclement weather at all. If anyone else was listening to the Orioles broadcast of this game, Tom Seaver had it exactly right:
“If the tarp is going to go on the field once this half inning is over, why isn’t it on the field right now?”
That’s right. Bad umpiring. Want to get home to watch the last days of Leno, apparently.
The running, bumbling, stumbling Yankees
Great job by yet another umpire who HATES the Yanks. Matsui can’t even see the ball but lets, let him make out and then we will stop the game. So the AAA Orioles do not have to play in the rain. Yet another game where the Yanks have to play in the rain and the other team doesn’t. Have to love the fair playing..Did the rain change during the commercial break???!!! Orioles will win in the bottom of the 9th..Guaranteed!!
These umps are scum. I love it, NOW they call the delay, after we already sent all our best hitters up in the monsoon. Dirty commies.
Betemit is absolutely useless on this team. Get rid of him now and get someone up here who can play.
Totally not fair…why don’t you just delay it at the beginning of the inning, or let them bat in the driving rain too…
Girardi has a right to be irritated…
Great, now you want to use the weather as an excuse. Then Damon’s double sholdn’t count, right?
Someone tell Girardi to stop being a punk. We played in conditions like that last year and won – just as I remembered that game, YES played the highlight with Jeter coming through with an RBI double. Even in rain they dont stop the game in the middle of the at-bat – unless its coming down like a monsoon. Show a little toughness for god sake!
If this game gets suspended and they make it up before tomorrow’s game, do you start Joba in the bottom 9?
The umpires were terrible just now. How can you let them play? The hitter can’t see. The pitcher can’t grip the ball. The infield is a MESS. What if someone gets hurt out there? How is it fair to let the Yankees’ hitter bat in the biggest spot in the game when he can’t see!?!? Unbelievable.
If the umps were not braindead they would have put the tarp on the field so we could resume in 20 min. Since they were so intent on getting the inning finished the field is such a mess that we probably will have to suspend the game.
Wordpress error is so annoying.
this is ridiculous
Totally unfair,,,,I think the Yankees should take their bats and balls and go crying home
wow! what a horrible decision! thats b.s.
one thing i will say is that this game really should be over now b/c milar was safe at home.
i dont understand how i can run back my dvr and get a clear shot of milar’s foot on the plate before the tag and the professionals at yes with all thier fancy equipment couldnt do the same thing.
final score, Umps 1, Yankees 0.
I seriously abhor these dirtbags. I hope they catch gonhorrea from an overweight orangutang. All of them.
Great last 12 days for MLB umpires.
Nine HR calls blown in the last 12 days.
Several managers complaining to MLB about how abusive some of these guys are with their language toward players and managers.
And tonight……losing complete control of this game and not calling for the delay prior to the bottom of the 9th.
Just what people pay for today. 50+ year old guys, an average of 25 pounds overweight apiece, showing their utter incompetency on everything from balls/strikes, home run calls, and weather situations.
MLB is an absolute joke to keep some of these incompetents employed.
Ever since Sandy Alderson left MLB (he oversaw the umpires) to run the Padres, they guys have run amok.
They embarrass the game and themselves every night. This is just another example of their incompetency.
best result for the Yankees is a called game. Otherwise, they will lose this one. When the Orioles tied it 8-8, Yankees lost their wind.
“why are they playing?”
I don’t know but DeMuth essentially took the bat out of Matsui’s hands. It’s a shame too because we had two RISP. Now we have nada la dida.
After the delay, anybody but Mo should be back in for the Yankees. No need to take a chance in having Rivera slip on a wet mound or any other mishap.
the last half inning was a disgrace.
if this had anything to do with “speeding up the game”, it’s a joke.
Come on Yankee fans vote for the Yankees in the all star game. 5 Sox are the starters so far. If Cano turns it around vote for him.
The virtue of a rain delay now however is that the Orioles are likely to lose Sherrill. I can’t imagine Trembley would bring him back after a long delay but who knows, he’s not as intelligent as he fancies himself.
The Yankees, on the other hand, still should be able to pitch MO for the 9th and 10th innings, even though they warmed him up already.
CaptainsCorner
May 27th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Great job by yet another umpire who HATES the Yanks. Matsui can’t even see the ball but lets, let him make out and then we will stop the game. So the AAA Orioles do not have to play in the rain. Yet another game where the Yanks have to play in the rain and the other team doesn’t. Have to love the fair playing..Did the rain change during the commercial break???!!! Orioles will win in the bottom of the 9th..Guaranteed!!
This does a pretty good job demonstrating why everyone hates yankee fans.
“These umps are scum. I love it, NOW they call the delay, after we already sent all our best hitters up in the monsoon. Dirty commies.”
I guess this is benevolent negativity BBB?
Good night, game is over, Yanks blew an 8-4 lead to begin with because they have NO PITCHING, that is bottom line. Last place cellar dwellars!!!!
“I love it, NOW they call the delay, after we already sent all our best hitters up in the monsoon.”
It was the EXACT opposite last year. During that game in late June it was raining and the O’s manager wanted the game stopped. They didn’t and the Yanks scored a run to take the lead. So please, stop the crying.
Matsuzaka pitching tonight; I’ll be counting the walks….
Anyone have a forecast?
Don’t forget we wouldn’t be tied right now if Jeter had not gotten an RBI earlier!
russ m, mommy wont let you play in the basement with your dolls????
the umps suck that was a joke, 2 on 2 out stop the game…..
russ m
why the heck are you even on here?
honestly, do you not have anything else better to do then sit on your lazy rear-end and criticize the yankees?
get a grip.
Screw the umpiring. This game is all on the Yankees. The offense starts out great, but the pitching and defense blows. Then the offense goes missing for the last 5 innings with a bunch of outs with RISP (against mediocre relievers at best). Clueless Joe still hasn’t figured out that Ohlendorf can’t pitch more than 1 inning. And his blind faith in Farnswhack almost cost us the game. And to top it off, Jeter’s playing tonight has been beyond pathetic.
Every single thing the Yankees could do wrong tonight, they did. And that’s even when they score 8 runs. I fear this is just a .500 team.
I think Girardi should pull a (semi) Billy Martin and protest the conditions under which the game was called by playing Giambi at 2nd and Mo in CF when it is resumed.
Who’s this “other” Chris NY?
ross m, he will be no where to be found on this site in about 45 days, usual loser troll..
imagine being so pathetic you need to harass people on opposing blogs, man you must be really lonely..
put on your PJ’s have your mommy give you some milk and cookies and go to bed, loser
the yankees relied too much on ohlendorf to be something he’s not – which is a long man. He completely lost it in his second inning and blew a 4 run lead. If this game was started by any other pitcher (and I’m still confused as to why IPK was removed after 3 innnings) this game would be a yank win. It’s time for some major roster moves here, and I think IPK has to be handed his hat on this one and have some more time in AAA. Ohlendorf as well. At this point, why not try Melancon? Horne? or Robertson? What do they have to lose besides more games?
Just ignore, guys. Seriously, don’t feed the obvious trolls.
Girardi should of pulled Matsui off the field. He should of refused to send his team out on the field to hit in those situations. I don’t understand the umpire had to get that at bat over with…he couldn’t finish it after the rain delay?? Would it of been a big deal if they did. The Yanks should be on the phone with MLB right now because this umpire is an absolute disgrace….
Is it me, or does the YES rain delay “jazzy” music sound like something that would be playing in the background during an “adult movie”?
TK – indeed! I’m hoping my hostility will filter over to the dugout and shock them into winning the game.
But these umps really are a few sandwiches short of a picnic basket…
its the weathers fault the yanks blew two(2) 4-run leads…
“50+ year old guys, an average of 25 pounds overweight apiece” Hey, SJ44, I resemble that remark!
I knew that the tarp would be on the field when they came back from the break. I guess the rain picked up in 2 minutes…
russ m said good night. That means mommy came in and turned off the lights, closed the door on his crate and covered it with a blanket. Hopefully, she put his helmut on him so he won’t hurt himself again.
damn, whats wrong with you people, this is a winnable game. most of you have already given up and decided who’s fault it is. we still have mo to use and they’ve already used thier closer.
getting really hard to enjoy the game with a bunch of cry-babies wailing about who to blame for a game that isnt over.
how about showing a little confidence in your team. anybody who gives up that easy really isnt a fan.
LETS GO MO!!!LETS GO YANKEES!!!!
for some reason pa hates jeter
way to bash him pete
Any chance they just call this one a tie? That would be the best result for the Yanks at this point. I don’t fancy the idea of sending Mo out pitch on a wet field. We’ve had enough freak injuries already this year!
broussard 3/3(all doubles)w/walk 3rs 3 rbi
giese battered for first time this year
cox still at 0.00
Patrick(the Good One),
I’m glad that you posted that clarification. Didn’t think that was you before but it’s good to know. We’ve had a number of good conversations and I look forward to more.
Russ M, are you a Yankee fan?
“It was the EXACT opposite last year.”
No, it wasn’t the EXACT opposite. The Yanks were batting last year also in the bottom half of the inning when the game was called…except there weren’t even 3 outs yet iirc. Instead they were thwarted mid-rally, could have scored even more runs…but the umps, on behalf of their BFF’s the Orioles, decided to call the game before they had the chance.
Just kidding about the BFF part, but for consistency’s sake, either both games should have been called the second it started coming down, or neither. From now on these decisions should be left to computers that automatically call the game after the precipitation reaches a certain level or whatever. I hate to take the human aspect out of baseball but the umps leave no choice, they are so incompetent that they need computers to do all their work.
P.S. – How about Britton for Sarfate straight up?! Works for me!
Oh god, the Bosox are playing the MARINERS?!
PACK IT UP AND FINISH THE GAME TOMORROW BEFORE THE REGULAR GAME.
Girardi has a right to be mad about that rain. Matsui couldn’t even see.
Ordinarily, I’d agree with the sentiment that Ohlendorf isn’t a long man. Its definitely not his chosen role.
However tonight, that’s not valid. He only threw 5 pitches in his first inning. He wasn’t taxed.
He just stunk in his second inning. No excuses.
It really does get back to starting pitching.
We can talk about the bullpen until we are blue in the face. However, if Joba starts tonight, its 8-0 after 4, and you coast in this game.
Kennedy couldn’t hold a 4 run lead. He then got hurt and you are left with blowing out the ‘pen again after one of his starts.
Its not about the back end of the bullpen. Its about the rotation.
Once they can get 5 guys who can actually pitch with leads, especially early leads, the bullpen matters will take care of themselves.
This should have been a blowout game for the Yankees tonight. Instead, its become a mess.
Between the weather, pitching ineffectiveness, mental mistakes, lack of fundamentals, its like a perfect storm of bad baseball and it all begins with poor starting pitching.
Until that improves, its hard to project what this team is right now.
I think it will be better once Joba is in the rotation and Posada is back.
You just hope this team can find ways to string some series wins together until that time.
Anyone else watching YES right now? 1998 team.. man I miss that team
“Oh god, the Bosox are playing the MARINERS?!”
It’s only fair the Sox get their turn at the punching bag…
shapeshifter, Why because you want to win the game and not have to play on a fair field of play? I guess when you are such a bad team you need help from the umpires.
I miss Angel Hernandez. He would never have let that game go on.
Ohlendorf needs to follow Chase Wright out the home run door. He has been terrible all season long.
You’re right ham fighter, we shouldn’t complain or awfulize, this still very well could be a win although now I’m hoping it gets postponed b/c I don’t want Mo to pitch in the *precipitation*….really most of my ire is just frustration with the ump in general, they have been so incompetent this year!
Regarding Matsui…According to Gameday he lined out to first. That would denote he hit the ball on the screws, and, by extension, that he could actually see the ball coming in. Unless Gameday was completely wrong…
Pepper Brooks May 27th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
best result for the Yankees is a called game. Otherwise, they will lose this one. When the Orioles tied it 8-8, Yankees lost their wind.
They lost their wind so much they stopped playing and the O’s still didn’t score from the 5th inning on! Wow! Impressive job, Yanks.
so any idea when the game might start up again?
Tom Seaver? That’s Jim Palmer.
storm will pass by 11:45
http://www.weather.com/weather.....earch_city
Who was worse? Kennedy or Ohlendorf? They both need to go. Kennedy is a nibbler who can’t finish off a hitter and Ohlendorf is batting practice.
“The Yanks were batting last year also in the bottom half of the inning”
*top half, rather.
“russ m said good night. That means mommy came in and turned off the lights, closed the door on his crate and covered it with a blanket. Hopefully, she put his helmut on him so he won’t hurt himself again.”
Jeff NJ, I am still laughing my butt off. Every time I read the part about the crate I just start laughing agtain!!!
VERY FUNNY STUFF!!!
Is YES trying to rub this in by showing the ‘98 World Series?? A team that did everything great.
What are we going to do if Rasner keeps this up and Hughes comes back? Wang/Pettite/Hughes/Joba/Rasner. Rasner goes back to reliever/long reliever and Mussina stays in rotation? Over-under on IPK starting 5 games for the rest of this season? I’m not giving up on him as a starter in the future, but we have too many starters once Joba and Hughes come in.
2-0! Mariners!
i agree that the umps decisions were terrible, but the cut both ways. malar was safe and matsui shouldnt have had to bat in the downpour.
but thats all in the past, this is a winnable game (and this is still a winable series) and crying about how we got here does no good.
just go out and win this game!
LETS GO YANKEES!
2-0 Seattle, Matsuzaka with control problems in the first inning as Russ M heads for the exit.
radar looks good for the game to start in 30 min at the latest hopefully
http://www.weather.com/weather.....undeclared
Bad job by Knoblauch standing there and not going after the ball. Now that was a team that had pitching. and actually hit in October.
Ohlendorf is better than what he has shown this far this year. Besides, he’s been totally misused as a long reliever. I think he’s ideally suited to pitching in the late innings – three batters tops.
For now, though, I agree that both he and IPK could use some time back in Scranton (and NOT just a handful of games down there only to be bounced right back up!).
I forgot that the regular season is now open tryouts for bullpen spots and reliable pitchers. That what championship teams do? We got one reliable pitcher out there and 6 maybe’s who are getting thrown up against the wall to see what sticks. I guess the starting staff is the same way right now.
Well hot damn, I turn the station just in time to see Coco Crisp look like a keystone cop and fly past the ball in centerm skidding on his belly across the grass, while Manny runs over with his dredlocks flying in the wind and Seattle scores easily!
2-0 Seattle bottom of the 1st!
GO MATZUSUCKER!!!
“Is YES trying to rub this in by showing the ‘98 World Series?? A team that did everything great.”
it’s for the bandwagon fans to catch up when they discuss what the Yankees were
What’s the haps? Just got home. We lost a 4-run lead, not once, but twice? Ayaya.
What’s the status of the game? Are they going to start it up tonight?
Edwar tethered down so he doesn’t blow away? Guy’s skinnier than cardboard cutout.
JoeyA May 27th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
What are we going to do if Rasner keeps this up and Hughes comes back? Wang/Pettite/Hughes/Joba/Rasner. Rasner goes back to reliever/long reliever and Mussina stays in rotation? Over-under on IPK starting 5 games for the rest of this season? I’m not giving up on him as a starter in the future, but we have too many starters once Joba and Hughes come in.
That’s a problem they’d love to have. Let’s hope it’s a problem in a month.
radar looks good and game should start up sooon!!
http://www.weather.com/weather.....undeclared
“What are we going to do if Rasner keeps this up and Hughes comes back? Wang/Pettite/Hughes/Joba/Rasner. Rasner goes back to reliever/long reliever and Mussina stays in rotation? Over-under on IPK starting 5 games for the rest of this season? I’m not giving up on him as a starter in the future, but we have too many starters once Joba and Hughes come in.”
I don’t think that Hughes will see all that much starting action this year if Rasner keeps doing what he’s been doing.
Whats the timetable on Hughes’ return?
Was Kennedy taken out for being ineffective or is he injured or something?
I guess i’m not sure what his pitch count was either.
Here’s a trade that would benefit both teams:
Cubs trade Matt Murton (good right handed bat and right fielder) and Sean Marshall (left hander in the pen)
for Johnny Damon (the Cubs are desperate for another left handed bat and good leadoff hitter).
We get what we need, and they get what they need.
And Rasner isn’t leaving the rotation anytime soon no matter who gets healthy.
Angel – we all kind of said it along with pete
lateral muscle strain
How is Phil’s rehab coming along, anyway?
The Yankees aren’t trading Damon. They love him leading off, they love his LF defense and they love him in the clubhouse. When he hits the team wins.
“And Rasner isn’t leaving the rotation anytime soon no matter who gets healthy.”
That is a BINGO!
No question its a winnable game.
Its also time this team shows some onions. Too many instances this season (to date) where once things unravel, this team doesn’t respond.
Nothing good has happened for most of the night for the Yankees.
The umpires have stunk. They blew two 4 run leads. Kennedy and Ohlendorf stunk. They have made mental mistake after mental mistake.
And its still 8-8. They took the shots. Now try and find a way to win this game.
At some point, this team is going to have to dig itself out of its misery and that can’t be from playing the Mariners every night.
Find a way to win tonight and build on it.
The easiest thing to do would be to just lose tonight because of all that’s gone wrong.
However, if you want to be a good team, you can’t go there.
Find a way to win.
Good Yankee teams of the past would find a way to win tonight.
Let’s hope these guys can.
Til tomorrow.
Angel – apparent leg injury (Pete has the update above)
26 pitches in the first inning for Dice-k; typical.
That said, the Mariners swing and miss ALOT. AND they hardly EVER walk.
So it’s going to be a rare occassion for them to make a pitcher work, even a junk ball pitcher like Dice-k
“No question its a winnable game.
Its also time this team shows some onions.”
What did they do on Sunday? What will it take for some people to say they “showed onions”??
O.K. Folks, move along, nothing to see here, go on home.
mel
HR derby tonight. Everyone and the bat boy hit one. Currently in rain delay in the bottom of the 9th. Weather map looks like it’s moving through.
Tomorrow it is
Maybe to pass the down time we can post Melancon’s line again?
10:37 the game was called and 10:39 the tarp’s off…what’s the deal?
Pepitone – I’d take Murton, but pass on Marshall. He wouldn’t be an upgrade over what we already have in the ‘pen. Besides, surely Damon would be worth more, especially with the way he’s hitting lately?
“Game has just been suspended and will start tomorrow at 6:05 p.m.”
GO YANKEES!!!
This could be interesting. Wonder how we play this one. Let Mo go a few innings and hope we get a run? Times like this we could use a spot starter/middle/long relief guy in the pen.
Yes! Trevor Hoffman is coming in. We own this guy!
Thanks for the heads-up Mr. Abraham.
“O.K. Folks, move along, nothing to see here, go on home.”
Isn’t Dice-K 8-0???? I’d love to have him in pinstripes.
I don’t even like onions.
Are we expecting Hughes to get expendable if Rasner keeps it up? I guess I don’t mind Mussina if he looks like he did after his first 4 starts. I really just can’t take IPK anymore. Does he look at film? Does he realize what he does wrong in starts and make adjustments in the next start?
They suspended the game?
If I’m Girardi, I’m at the umpires locker room right now going ballistic.
That is total horse crap.
These SOB’s saw the damn radar, saw the bad weather coming, and decided to play that half inning in a monsoon?
How the hell is that fair?
That is an absolute joke. These umpires get worse by the day.
They are now a detriment to baseball.
Its a shame Selig is too brain dead to see it.
Thanks Jay and Rishi for that info. Sorry a bit hard to keep up to speed with all the comments and wordpress errors, lol.
Good fake out, pseudo Pete Abraham. I will not believe it unless Pete posts it at the top.
“10:37 the game was called and 10:39 the tarp’s off…what’s the deal?”
I was wondering the same thing
UPDATE, 10:39 p.m.: They’re pulling the tarp. I’ll let you know when the game is scheduled to start.
Yardley
May 27th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Isn’t Dice-K 8-0???? I’d love to have him in pinstripes.
understatement of the year
Scott Brosius v. Trevor Hoffman
wow
“Ah, it turns out Ian Kennedy is injured. Slight strain in his right lat muscle.
No word on how long he’ll be out. But “slight†with the Yankees usually means “disabled list.—
While I would never wish injury on one of our guys, I am not disappointed.
I thought it was only me…Thanks, SA
Wait, did we have a fake Pete post? In the update Pete says they’re pulling the tarp.
Yep. Eloquently said – that call by the umpires (or non call as the case my be) is total horse crap.
They really need to set this blog up with registered ID’s. I’ve made two posts tonight. Not sure who this new “Chris NY” is….
Basically Kennedy is Dice-K without the stuff, wins, guts, and moxie.
YES still saying rain delay.
Francis,
One game. That’s it. 0-22 when trailing after 7 until Sunday. We are in Game 52.
One isn’t enough. Not if you have playoff aspirations.
They have to be better than that and I think every guy in that locker room knows it.
The AL East is too tough this year to show little fight.
They have to be better.
As Yogi would say, “Its gettin’ late early”.
That Pete update within the blog sounds fake, why would they resume it at 6:05, why not just immediately prior to the scheduled 7:05 start time as they did last year?
Yeah trade Damon and then who hits lead off? Melky who is a horrible hitter? Or Jeter who swings at everything in sight and sees 3 pitches per plate appearance?
Chicago Dave,
You’re right about Marshall, but he is still young (26 I think) and right now the Yanks have no left hand relief. I think he has pretty good stuff.
It will never happen though, just a conversation opener.
These are the actual Pete Abe updates:
UPDATE, 10:30 p.m.: The rain is starting to let up. There are a bunch of shirtless fat guys behind the Yankees dugout. (I’m still in the pressbox). It appears we will finish this game at some point this evening. I would imagine Mariano will pitch.
This is, I’m pretty sure, the seventh game this season that has either been suspended by or delayed by rain.
UPDATE, 10:39 p.m.: They’re pulling the tarp. I’ll let you know when the game is scheduled to start.
pat,
Thanks.
Something is off. If there was no game, wouldn’t Peter have posted it already in the main part of his blog. Not everyone reads the comments.
I guess we had a faker
I’m Chris. I’m from New York. I didn’t know there was more than one Chris in New York. ?? Hence the Chris NY.
Theoretically, the Yanks could lodge a formal protest with the league (over the way the rain delay was handled, or mishandled, by the umps), couldn’t they?
” There are a bunch of shirtless fat guys behind the Yankees dugout. (I’m still in the pressbox). ”
preemptive defense, Pete?
Wow. I was fooled by the fake Pete. I shut the tv off and got ready for the extra innings package.
bbb this is why we need registration.
“There are a bunch of shirtless fat guys behind the Yankees dugout”
haha thats funny.
but seriously they should put Kennedy in the bullpen & give him the same process they’re giving joba. Let Ian work his way back to a starter
Obviously there’s more than one in NY, genius. But people that post on here get used to certain “handles” and it gets confusing when multiple people use the same names.
Michael Kay just said they expect to continue tonight. Was that really you, Pete?
UPDATE, 10:47 p.m.: Tarp back on the field.
Pete just posted this up on top.
I remember the last out of the 1998 World Series and absolutely crying until I was exhausted from crying. I never had so much emotion over a Yankees team and what the team accomplished as I did our 98 team – and obviously for good reason. I also remember watching Joe Torre standing on the field crying, and then Steinbrenner crying when they handed him the WS trophy. Heck if grown men could cry, why not I?
when I saw that Oriole hat thrown on the field I thought Girardi would step on it and drag it w/ him
They can get a lefty reliever without trading away an important piece like Damon. And don’t the Cubs have Soriano in left???
Ted Lilly instead of Kei Igawa. This team would be very different. It’s nice to wonder about these things on a rainy day.
so what are my chances of waking up to a Yankee win?
gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i gotta work at 645 tomorrow cmonnn now
Wasn’t the Fat toad 8-0?
The fakes and people taking other people’s names, and posting in multiple names to stalk people, has really gotten ou