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Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 28, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees had a chance to win win a wild game last night but LaTroy Hawkins gave it away in the 11th inning.

Ian Kennedy is headed for the disabled list. This notebook also has news on Jorge Posada, All-Star voting and Derek Jeter moving up another list.


Didn’t get a chance to report this in the paper. That home run Jason Giambi hit last night was listed as 415 feet and landed on Eutaw Street beyond the right-field scoreboard. It was the 41st ball to land on the street since Camden Yards opened.

Oddly enough, the Yankees are responsible for the last three balls to land there. Giambi, Johnny Damon (Sept. 28, 2007) and Giambi again (Sept. 29, 2005).


The next few days could be a busy one for transactions.

The Yankees will add somebody to the roster today to replace Kennedy. Ross Ohlendorf (29.2 innings, six HRs) could be optioned out. Morgan Ensberg is a DFA candidate, especially if they want to give Jason Lane a shot rather than release him. Lane has 10 homers for Scranton and hits right-handed.

I don’t think LaTroy Hawkins is a DFA candidate. But you never know. Shelley Duncan (9 for 55) isn’t what they hoped, either.





188 Responses to “Today in The Journal News”

  1. Will to the M May 28th, 2008 at 3:51 am

    Bring Gonzalez back as well! For the bashing that Shelley displayed in ST and Scranton, it’s disappointing that he hasn’t produced at the bigs so far. His best asset is his ability to arm smash, and that doesn’t happen as much when he’s not pumped up about himself.

  2. Raven May 28th, 2008 at 4:20 am

    It gives me creeps that the one and only Golden Glove first baseman in this team is our beloved Big G.

  3. STEVE May 28th, 2008 at 5:00 am

    Joba’s been moved to starting rotation is definitely not a blessing to current poor bullpen. The last two heart-breaking losses are just the bittle consequence.

  4. Jon G May 28th, 2008 at 5:12 am

    Out: Kennedy, Ohlendorf, and ideally Hawkins

    In: JB Cox, Britton or Patterson, somebody who can go long (not Karstens – he’s looked pretty bad down at AAA)

    Can’t wait to see how Horne does…

  5. Jon G May 28th, 2008 at 5:12 am

    Oh, Melancon went FOUR scoreless at AA today. That’s going long…

  6. UtilityMan May 28th, 2008 at 6:39 am

    AGH….that was tough last night.

    I still cant believe it was Jeter that was picked off 2B.

    I do not like Wilson Betemit….hopefully the Pirates are still interested.Brutal!!!

  7. Vader May 28th, 2008 at 6:39 am

    If Melancon went four, they are just getting his stamania up, IMO. If he gets up the the big club, he will be a one or two inning guy, from what I’ve read about the him, he is a bulldog. I would not be suprised to see him here by the all-star break.

  8. UtilityMan May 28th, 2008 at 6:47 am

    Not sure if this was posted.

    Yankees have signed Ben Broussard (1B-OF) to a minor league contract….insurance for when Jason Lane either gets promoted or leaves by this Saturday 5/31 due to an opt out in contract.

    Was at the Trenton game 1 last night…Melancon did look good.
    Jose Tabata let a fly ball drop right near him…again.

  9. S.A.-Put Santana in the Mets bullpen. He can be their "8th inning bridge" to Wagner. May 28th, 2008 at 7:02 am

    Some changes need to be made. Thanks Pete

  10. Roxy May 28th, 2008 at 7:22 am

    Why Chien-Ming Wang didn’t on 5/30 rotation list?
    (cuz it put on ” TBD” ….)anything happen ???

  11. sunny615 May 28th, 2008 at 7:27 am

    Why does this team remind me so much of last years team? When they pitch well, they can’t buy a run… when they hit well, all the pitchers seem to do is throw meatballs. This team is miserable. It should have been a romp. Instead, IPK, Ohlendorf, and most of all, Hawkins couldn’t get an out if it were wrapped in a wet paper bag. Grife! This team is absolutely frustrating!

  12. Guy Incognito May 28th, 2008 at 7:32 am

    How come Joba was unavailable last night? It seems like it’s better to pitch him in what might be a win-saving scenario than saving him for tonight. What’s the difference? I actually fell asleep during the rain delay and dreamed that Hawkins lost the game.

  13. RhapsodyInBlue May 28th, 2008 at 7:33 am

    There is too much dead weight on this team, they are painful to watch.
    To watch Hawkins come in last night and watch him throw away the 2 inning effort of Mariano was tough.
    I am so sick of watching sloppy play at first base I stand it anymore.

  14. Jorge Steinbrenner (the long lost third brother) May 28th, 2008 at 7:36 am

    Again, i’d rather watch Ian Kennedy and Ross Ohlendorf crap the bed 100 times in the name of growth over a “veteran” like LaTroy Hawkins not being able to come in and hold a lead. Disgraceful.

  15. TurnTwo May 28th, 2008 at 7:37 am

    they need to stop using Ohlendorf as a multi-inning guy, and just call up a mop-up man from Scranton. why is it that fans can see that his best outing are those kept to one inning, and when he had awful outings like last night, its in the second inning of an extended appearance?

    bad game for Jeter; thats all that needs to be said about that. you obviously dont get it often, but it happens… even so, you CANT get picked off like that at 2nd base. you just cant.

  16. Bryan May 28th, 2008 at 7:49 am

    There is that guy Ohlendorf sucking it up again

    Along with Hawkins and Kennedy

  17. Brad May 28th, 2008 at 8:01 am

    Hawkins is pitching himself off the roster. Betemit and Ensberg have played themselves off the roster.
    Change is in the wind. Cashman has said the end of May gives him the time needed to see the makeup of this team and it ain’t too pretty.

  18. bronxbomber77 (from worst to first in 2008!) May 28th, 2008 at 8:17 am

    “It’s amazing that Kennedy and Phil Hughes are both on the DL 52 games into the season. They are a combined 0-7 with a 7.99 ERA. The Yankees are 3-12 in the games they have pitched this season, 22-15 in their other games.

    As somebody who was (and still is) behind the idea of developing young pitchers, I can’t fault Brian Cashman now. But this is pretty much the worst-case scenario.”


    I couldn’t agree more. While its common to have to let young pitchers take their lumps and beatings, this has turned into a worst case scenario.

    I think it was 2003 when Bonderman was called up at an early age, and along with Mike Maroth, got hammered for the Tigers.

    These kids, b/c thats what they are, kids, should be fine tuning idown at AA or AAA. It is clear now that Hughes nor Kennedy were ready for prolonged outtings at the MLB level.

    At this point, I say the NYY sign Freddy Garcia to a one year deal, and start combing the trash bins to find the next Aaron Small or Shawn Chacon.

    Joba and Wang can’t do it themseleves. Especially when you don’t know what you’ll get from Pettitte or Musina night-to-night.

  19. Drew May 28th, 2008 at 8:21 am

    Patterson needs to get a shot already. He’s already on the 40-man too. Lane is another Josh Phelps, but he can’t do worse than Ensberg. Dan Giese should get a shot in the pen too.

  20. TurnTwo May 28th, 2008 at 8:21 am

    “Joba and Wang can’t do it themseleves. Especially when you don’t know what you’ll get from Pettitte or Musina night-to-night.”

    and thats assuming you are getting consistent results from Joba, which is somewhat of a stretch in itself.

  21. Drew May 28th, 2008 at 8:22 am

    “It gives me creeps that the one and only Golden Glove first baseman in this team is our beloved Big G.”

    that’s a thong not a glove.

  22. Doreen May 28th, 2008 at 8:23 am

    I’m glad I didn’t stay up to see the end of the game last night. It would have been more heartbreaking than it was to find out about this this morning (because I had resigned myself to the idea that since they were not the home team, it was likely the Orioles would win). But knowing they took the lead and then Hawkins lost the game in the 11th, well, that’s unconscionable.

    The Yankees certainly are playing the way their record indicates they are playing. They are inconsistent, with up and down performances both within games and game-to-game. It would be nice if they could find some equilibrium, preferably toward the winning side. They definitely have the talent, and I think they do have the will. They do, however, need some “tweaking.”

    Brian Cashman did say the end of May was the time to make changes, and more are needed in addition to Joba in the rotation.

    Too bad Kennedy’s headed to the DL, but again, it forces a situation where he’s going to have an opportunity out of the spotlight to straighten things out. I’d like to know how the injury happened, and was he pitching hurt in the 2nd inning. Not that it makes any difference, really.

    I can’t wait to see the moves that will be made. And who was that imposter in Jeter’s body last night?????????

  23. Doreen May 28th, 2008 at 8:29 am

    Well, ya see, if I’d only read the “notebook” first, I’d have learned that Kennedy hurt his shoulder in the third and he doesn’t know how. Duh.

  24. Keith May 28th, 2008 at 8:29 am

    From boxscores:

    Here’s the Rays tied with the Cubs for the best record in baseball and they drew 10,511 fans last night.
    Maybe they need another cowbell promotion.
    If they make the playoffs, they could get a whopping 18,000 fans to see them for the 1st time in postseason play.

  25. Rishi May 28th, 2008 at 8:32 am

    at least the rest of the AL East (with the obvious Baltimore exception) decided to lose yesterday, too

  26. jennifer May 28th, 2008 at 8:38 am

    Boy am I glad I stayed up till midnight to watch that game!

    It was a game that we shouldn’t have won, yet we shouldn’t have lost. Lots of fingers to be pointed around in last nights loss. But bottom line we had the lead going into the bottom of the inning, Latroy should have held it.

    Today will be an interesting day. As Pete said I suspect that Ian on dl (obviously), Ross optioned, my guess is Shelley will be sent out, along with Ensberg.

    I’d bring up Cox, Lane, Gardener.

    Hopefully they will be able to go right from Pettitte to Joba, than Joba could take Ian’s start next week cause of the off day

  27. jennifer May 28th, 2008 at 8:41 am


    I don’t like Wilson either (I think that is pretty well known around here lol). Hopefully Ben B (sp) does well, and they can bring him up to play first and bye bye wilson.

  28. randy l May 28th, 2008 at 8:41 am

    Derek Jeter made an ill-advised throw to the plate and Huff went to third.

    “The Yankees had a chance to take a lead in the sixth inning. But with Rodriguez at the plate, Jeter was picked off second base by Dennis Sarfate.

    “I can’t remember the last time that has happened,” Jeter said. “I was just too far off the base.”

    Jeter also struck out in the ninth inning after failing to get a bunt down with Damon at second base.

    “And who was that imposter in Jeter’s body last night?????????”

    i was shocked when jeter got picked off second because he can just feel where he’s supposed to be on the bases. to see him to not feel it when he was in a danger area on the lead was just weird.

    and then when he couldn’t bunt told me something was wrong with him.

    when i saw the replay this morning( am i crazy or didn’t peter say the game was cancelled until 6:30 tonight ?) , i couldn’t believe the weak throw to the plate jeter threw.

    girardi needs to sit jeter down for at least a game. something is wrong with him.

  29. Fran May 28th, 2008 at 8:48 am

    Randy – the mental mistakes Derek made last night surprised me even more. Getting picked off second and in the top of the 11th on Alex’s ball, Derek should have been at 3rd and not doubled off.

    Also I saw the Yanks signed Ben Broussard. Is he a good defensive first baseman since the Yanks don’t seem to have one of those. (Last night Betemit made Giambi look like a gold glover)

  30. jennifer May 28th, 2008 at 8:51 am

    Ladies and Gents we found our future catcher.

    The Finer Points of Catching, at Age 6
    By Tyler Kepner
    May 27, 2008

    Even at six years old, I have a feeling Dante Girardi knows he’s getting a special kind of baseball instruction. On the field at Camden Yards, while his dad chatted with Orioles Manager Dave Trembley, Dante was getting pointers from Tony Pena.

    Now, a clinic from Pena is special enough; only five players in history have caught more games in the majors. But Pena and his young student were practicing the finer points of the position.

    Wearing sunglasses, Dante squatted like a catcher, with Pena above him. Pena tossed a pop up in the air behind Dante, simulating a foul ball, and most of the time Dante caught it. As a father of young kids, I’ve been to a lot of baseball practices for children Dante’s age, and I’ve never seen that drill.

    Dante also has pretty sweet equipment. The glove Joe Girardi uses for every practice has “Dante” written on the side. It is his son’s glove, Girardi explained; he’s just breaking it in.

    If Dante Girardi reaches the majors someday, it will be no surprise. He obviously has the genes and the name: his father named him after a teammate on the Rockies, Dante Bichette.

  31. Rishi May 28th, 2008 at 8:52 am

    Sign him now!! :)

  32. jennifer May 28th, 2008 at 8:53 am

    I saw a pitcure of him blocking the plate while his father was running towards home. :)

  33. Rishi May 28th, 2008 at 8:54 am

    where did you find it?

  34. jennifer May 28th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    By Tyler Kepner Of NYT.

  35. jennifer May 28th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    Oh you mean the picture? I think it was on yahoo.

  36. Rishi May 28th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    i’ll check it out now, thanks :)

  37. Neil May 28th, 2008 at 8:57 am

    I’d bring up Cox, Lane, Gardener.

    Yes Jennifer, I concur 100%.

  38. jennifer May 28th, 2008 at 8:58 am

  39. Yankee lover May 28th, 2008 at 8:58 am

    This is all on Cashman. He predicted or projected success for Kennedy and Hughes and he couldnt be more wrong. He over rated the potential of Petitte going into this year. He was ready to hand the third base job to Betimet if AROD walked. The team cannot get past 500 and its all because of Cashmans calls, predictions and decisions. He wants us to believe that he is doing the right thing for the future by protecting “pheenoms” in the minors. Well, his two best “pheenoms” are Hughes and Kennedy so to me he is protecting nothing. The minor leaguers are probably as bad as the major leaguers….

  40. JoeyA May 28th, 2008 at 8:59 am

    Hawkins, Duncan, & Ensberg need to go. Olendorf needs to be used in only one inning. Call up Cox or Melancon or Horne. Let’s see how they do. It really can’t be much worse than what Hawkins or Veras could provide. Bring up Lane. This team is becoming somewhat embarrassing. One run should be all a relief pitcher needs. That was pathetic by Hawkins last night. He should have been throwing balls in the dirt. No pitch should have been higher than the knees. TERRIBLE

  41. jennifer May 28th, 2008 at 8:59 am


    I just tried to post a link for it, but it says it is awaiting moderation, I guess it was too long. Go to google and type in dante girardi, and it will come up. Make sure to click images.

  42. jennifer May 28th, 2008 at 9:00 am

    joey, only problem with calling up horne is he just came off the dl. I’d call him up in two weeks if he stays healthy.

  43. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 28th, 2008 at 9:01 am

    Ugly game last night and one that had almost everything go wrong that could go wrong and STILL we had the lead in the top of the 11th. I’ve said it all year, Hawkins needs to be off this team ASAP. There are plenty of young arms that can come up and do better than him AND that have a future either on the Yankees or as trade bait. I still can’t believe we didn’t either see Mo for a 3rd inning ( his pitch count was not THAT high after 2 ) or better yet, give Veras a shot. I really hope that Hysterical Hank was fuming at Hawkins stinking it up 2 games in a row and that the straw that broke the camel’s back was that UGLY performance last night to lose the game and dig us deeper into the cellar. That win was ours and he folded under the pressure big time…..AGAINST the O’s !!!…..What value is he in the 2nd half of the season and in the playoffs ?…I have an answer for ya….ZERO….and Pete, I agree, Jeter totally stunk last night and if he just had is FLIPPIN’ head IN the game, we would have won. I can’t agree with you on A-Rod….he smashed the ball in the unluckiest of places and the dude DID make a lucky grab. That ball leaves his bat a quarter of an inch off in ANY other direction and we are looking at 2 runs instead of 2 outs…But today is going to show ( again ) what we are made of….We have no closer, no Joba and just got beat down physically and emotionally last night…..I am ready to see the Yankees ( and especially Jeter ) RISE to the OCCASION !!! :-)

  44. Be Ge Burrs May 28th, 2008 at 9:03 am

    While Jeter’s getting thrown out at second isn’t excusable, shouldn’t the thirdbase coach have seen the player creeping in toward second and signaled Jeter that a move was likely to be made?

    That was going on behind Jeter and Jeter was facing toward the runner but should have been able to pick up Meachem.

  45. SJ44 May 28th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    One thing kills me about this team and has all season.

    Roster construction. Its nonsensical and has been since Opening Day.

    No long man. No lefty reliever. Guys on the bench who don’t fit any role. No defense at first base.

    The roster is a mess and has been since the start of the season.

    I don’t know how to fix it. Aside from re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic (Lane for Ensberg. AAA scrubs for Ohlendorf), what can they realistically do at this point?

    The young arms (Cox, Robertson and Melancon) aren’t ready yet. If they were, how do you go to an all-rookie bullpen and expect to win anything?

    If Cashman ends up losing his job, most people will point to Hughes and Kennedy’s failures. I don’t think that will cost him his job because EVERYBODY in the organization loves the young pitching in the pipeline.

    What will cost him his job is roster construction. More appropriately, the lack of one.

    You have to do better on the bench than the guys he brought in. This is where the Yankees money should be able to pay dividends. Overpay some veterans for bench duty. That’s not a difficult concept.

    You look at the Yankees bench and you see ZERO answers.

    Jeter gets hurt? He has to play. Guys go into prolonged slumps? They have to play because the reserves can’t play.

    Its an old roster and these guys can’t play everyday. There’s no excuse to put together a roster so disjointed.

    The parts that don’t fit and it makes Girardi’s job much tougher. In fact, it makes it impossible.

  46. JohnC May 28th, 2008 at 9:08 am

    I don’t know how Roberts came up with that smash by Arod in the 11th inning with the bases loaded and none out. I had already yelled ‘base hit’ when the ball left the bat, then I saw Roberts with the ball and couldn’t beleive it. Could have been a huge inning there, but bad luck prevailed

  47. jennifer May 28th, 2008 at 9:09 am

    Mo threw 30 pitches, I don’t know that you can have him go a third inning. Too bad though, he would have shut them down and we would have won.

  48. V May 28th, 2008 at 9:14 am

    “You have to do better on the bench than the guys he brought in. This is where the Yankees money should be able to pay dividends. Overpay some veterans for bench duty. That’s not a difficult concept.”

    Who? Give me names. WHO exactly was available in the offseason to sign as a lefty reliever or a long man? Who did they sign with instead? For how much? How have they done so far this year?

    It’s -obvious- the Yankees need lefty pitching. Unfortunately, everybody needs lefty pitching. It isn’t something that’s terribly easy to find.

  49. V May 28th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    Every Yankees loss leads to the same 100 comments.

    PlayerA, PlayerB, and PlayerC have -got- to go. Call up PlayerX and PlayerY!!!

    Then, a few weeks later, when PlayerA has broken his slump, he’s replaced with PlayerD. When PlayerX is stinking up AAA, he’s replaced with PlayerZ.


  50. jz5178 May 28th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    What do you guys think of taking a shot on a guy like Freddy Garcia? He’s still a free agent and they could probably get him for cheap and they could plug him into the rotation at the backend and once Kennedy comes back they can use Garcia in the bullpen depending on how he is doing.

  51. BobK55 May 28th, 2008 at 9:16 am

    Ross Ohlendorf is a one inning pitcher. How the Yankees management have over used him as a long reliever is terrible. If they wanted a long reliever in the pen they should have at least tried Dan Giese.

  52. V May 28th, 2008 at 9:17 am

    “What do you guys think of taking a shot on a guy like Freddy Garcia? He’s still a free agent and they could probably get him for cheap and they could plug him into the rotation at the backend and once Kennedy comes back they can use Garcia in the bullpen depending on how he is doing.”

    Freddy Garcia’s agent said Wednesday that his client will wait until he’s healthy before signing.

    “In that case it may be midseason before he’s ready to ink a deal, but Garcia was in Red Sox camp Wednesday being examined by Boston’s training staff. “We think the Mets, the Yankees, Boston, those teams are going to be competing, and their specific needs will become more evident by June and July,” agent Peter Greenberg said. “Right now’s not the right time for us to think about signing him with any one team.””;ID=2739

  53. Patrick (the good one) May 28th, 2008 at 9:22 am

    Yanks should DFA Hawkins, DFA Ensberg, and option Ohlendorf back to AAA. Slot Joba in as a starter in Kennedy’s spot, call up Karstens to be long relief, call up Lane, call up Robertson, call up Patterson. I’d love to call up Cox but he needs more innings. I’d also consider optioning Duncan back to AAA and call Broussard up. He is a pretty good defender and could be a late innings replacement at first.

    SP: Wang, Pettitte, Mussina, Rasner, Chamberlain

    BP: Karstens, Patterson, Robertson, Veras, Ramirez, Farnsworth, Rivera

    Lineup: Damon, Jeter, Abreu, Rodriguez, Matsui, Giambi, Cano, Molina, Melky

    Bench: Betemit, Duncan, Moeller, Lane

    It might be a good idea to try and trade for a lefty reliever. Cox and Melancon will be with the Yanks eventually but to have a really good bullpen there must be a lefty.

  54. William Buckner May 28th, 2008 at 9:23 am

    It’s not a matter of a specific vet out there, but the bench is a problem.

    They have no middle infielder, no pinch runner, no Rt bat. I hate our bench, it’s a real problem. Duncan is quad A, Ensberg is done. I don’t mind WB, but I agree his D is laughable.

    Not sure I agree with moving deck chairs on the Titanic. Drop Ensburg for AG and that gives middle infielder with some speed. I’d also promote Lane for Duncan. Lane might be more selective. Duncan just hasn’t learned not to swing out of his shoes.

  55. SJ44 May 28th, 2008 at 9:25 am

    One guy I would have signed is Shawn Casey. Yes, he’s LH bat but, he can help off the bench.

    He’s a solid defender, good enough hitter, and has played off the bench in his career.

    That’s a move the Yankees should have made. Those are the kind of things I’m talking about.

    LH reliever? Agreed, not easy to find. But, you can’t just leave yourself with Billy Traber or bust. I mean, you can but, if it doesn’t work out, its not unexpected criticism will follow.

    Casey? When you look at this roster, that should have been a no brainer move. You can’t expect guys who have never been bench players (ie: Ensberg for example) to suddenly embrace the role. Its too tough.

    Casey fits all the criteria (good guy, hard worker, veteran player) a big market team looks for off the bench. That was a miss on the Yankees part.

    Ben Broussard had 3 hits in his debut for Scranton last night. Perhaps he can get in the mix if he has a hot couple of weeks.

    They can’t keep ignoring defense at first base. After 7 years, you would think they would grasp that simple concept.

  56. randy l May 28th, 2008 at 9:27 am

    with jeter, out of sync is what comes to my mind. maybe he has an injury, although he played like he was hung over last night.

    i’m a big believer in rewarding results. and in making changes when you don’t get them. i think last night earned jeter a spot on the bench for at least a game(of course they have no one to play shortstop).

    if you don’t do it to the captain, how do you do it to anyone else when they make mistakes they shouldn’t make.

    as far as going by results, i would never give hughes or kennedy a free pass to start 6-7 games and stink. 3 games is it. the same goes with joba. i really don’t care about theories. i care about results.

    when guys like rasner come in and pitch well, they make the decision for the gm. rasner should have been brought in after three bad starts in a row for either kennedy or hughes.

    this whole “taking their lumps” theory is something a last place team like the tigers or devil rays of a few years ago do. it’s not for the yankees . even with joba. three bad starts in a row and he should to be replaced in the rotation.

    let guys like rasner get their shot. if they can rise to the occasion, let them keep pitching.
    everyone should know that it’s all about performance.

    there’s no reason for a young pitcher to get a chance to fail 4 times in a row. three strikes and you’re out.

  57. sunny615 May 28th, 2008 at 9:27 am

    As for our firstbase issue… well, we need one. Honestly, I don’t know what to do with the glut of DH’s as both Matsui and Giambi seem to be hitting well, but honestly, Giambi at first gives me the shivers. Ensberg, Betemit, Lane, Broussard all seem like more Minky type solutions… like trying to plug a leak with soft soap. This team needs something more than other teams’ DFA candidates/rejects to plug that hole. So far we’ve had rule 5 picks (Josh Phelps), DFA candidates (John Olerud), crappy trades (Craig Wilson), not-so-top prospects (Andy Philips), and free agents that would have gotten signed by AAAA teams as backups (Russ Johnson, Travis Lee, Doug Mienkiewicz) as 1bman in the past couple of years.

    This hasn’t been a solid defensive team in a long while. Giambi is a butcher, Cano can get lazy or distracted, Jeter has no range, and Arod’s arm is wild. Damon has no arm, Abreu is afraid of walls, and Molina can’t throw out anyone (12 of 33). The only solid defender we have is Melky.

    The farm has no solutions at this point as most of the prized position prospects are OF (AJax and Tabata – or catcher). Miranda is a decent 1B but projects as a utility player (he can’t hit lefties) and we have enough of those.

  58. LathamJoe May 28th, 2008 at 9:28 am

    SJ, I agree with your assessment entirely! I’ve been saying all season (and Pre-Season) that Cashman has done a poor job developing this Yankee roster for 2008.
    The Game last night was a classic example of how poor roster choices contributed to a loss. The Orioles are a lfety oriented lineup. Last night they stacked 3 of their key hitters in a row..and a 4th lefty as a pinch hitter… knowing that the Yankees had no lefty answer. And, please, don’t let me hear that weak argument about “its best to have a more effective righty than any Lefty” BS! Managers base their lineup of lefty/right matchups and somtimes will not send up a better hitter based on those matchups.
    Cashman had all off season to explore signing a Lefty and didn’t get the job done. There were quite a few free agent candidates as well as trade opportunities. How many successful Teams can you name that do not have an effective Lefty in the bullpen?
    Signing Hawkins was a bad mistake, too. The worst record at Yankke Stadium, he still chokes in key situations. Having a roster with NO ONE to play 1st base defensively is just dumb.
    While Cashman has done a laudible job restoring the MiLB system, his last two years of building a MLB roster have been a disaster!

  59. DMan May 28th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    Hawkins is last years Farnsworth.

    Who here isn’t scared when he enters a game?

  60. SJ44 May 28th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    There is no flexibility on the roster. No speed. No defenders (now that Gonzalez is back in AAA). They have guys who are playing out of position.

    Its a hodge podge that really is inexcusable from a roster construction standpoint.

    Go back and look at the Yankees championship teams. Guys had roles off the bench.

    Here? Its a puzzle everyday.

    You just don’t get the feeling the parts fit. When you watch games, its clear they don’t.

    How to fix it? Right now, it can only come from within and those options aren’t all tantalizing.

    Still, as others have suggested, Lane for Ensberg and (most likely) Britton for Ollie seem like no brainers at this point. What do they have to lose? Nothing.

  61. frits May 28th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    It would be VERY nice if the Yanks could pry Damaso Marte from the Pirates. He has had a bad few games, but he would be a nice LH reliever, better than Traber.

  62. Frank Discussion May 28th, 2008 at 9:33 am

    I can live without WB, he can’t play third, wasn’t particularly impressive at SS and looked out of place at first. How does this constitute an utility infielder ? To be honest I’d rather have Miguel Cairo back.

    Pitching ? I’d like to see Britton back in the mix. I knew the set-up role was going to be a crap shoot with Joba transitioning, but Hawkins performance last night was simply demoralizing. Not going to keep beating the IPK horse.

  63. Doreen May 28th, 2008 at 9:36 am

    The Yankees have had lefties in the pen, and they couldn’t get lefties out. Mike Myers last season? Billy Traber this one? Neither one was able to do the job. It has to be a really GOOD lefty out of the pen. So, then you have the same question, where do you find one?

  64. DMan May 28th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Is Billy Traber any worse than Hawkins or Ohlendorf at this point?

    I mean I’m not saying we should bring Traber back, but why are we giving Ohlendorf and Hawkins more and more chances?

  65. SJ44 May 28th, 2008 at 9:42 am


    I agree with you to a point. I don’t mind rookies taking their lumps on the mound if you see improvement from start to start. Failure is a big part of this game and they do need to know how to handle failure.

    Its when you don’t see improvement that you have to ask the question, “Are they developing these guys by keeping them in NY or do they need more time in the minors”?

    I look at Kennedy and I see a guy that screams more minor league seasoning is needed.

    I don’t want to hear, “He dominated in AAA”. No he didn’t. He pitched 31 AAA innings. Sorry but, with his stuff, that’s not enough.

    If one thought it was, its clear after watching him pitch this season, you have to change the opinion.

    When he comes off the DL, he needs to spend the entire season in AAA. Its a waste to pitch him up here when he simply can’t get the job done.

    If he is ever going to have a future with any major league team, not just the Yankees, he needs more time in AAA.

    If not, the Yankees have another Tyler Clippard type of pitcher and he has no value to the team. Not in trades, not on the present roster. You would hate to see it come to that because he does have the talent to pitch successfully in the majors. He just needs more time to put it together.

    There’s a fine line between developing prospects and ruining them. When it comes to a few of these guys (Kennedy, Ohlendorf, even Hughes to a certain degree), the Yankees are stradling that line, IMO.

    Joba? He may struggle at times in the rotation. However, on pure stuff alone, he stays in for the rest of the year, IMO.

    That kid needs the innings because he’s a future ace. Ian Kennedy’s ceiling is not as high. He needs more AAA seasoning.

    Hughes? A big unknown right now because he’s not healthy. Need to know his health status before knowing what to do with him.

  66. Joe from Long Island May 28th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    Very disappointing last night.

    I think (hope?) Pete is prescient here, with his connections to the team. While I think Ollie needs to be fixed (he was more dominating earlier in the season; effect of multiple innings?), Dave Eiland and Girardi should decide whether that’s something that needs to be done at SWB or can be done on the team. But they need to replace IPK, likely with a reliever now that Joba is going to start. I’m thinking Cox or maybe Patterson (last I looked, he seemed to have improved over his early at SWB problems).

    Morgan is a goner, I’m afraid. Seems like a really good person, but his career may be over. This looks like Jason Lane’s turn; if not, why was he signed?

    Shelley will probably go back to SWB, he still has options. And they will have to replace Lane’s spot on that team.

    LaTroy? I know Pete says he’s a great teammate, but you have to produce, and so far, he’s been mediocre at best. Either DFA or Let’s make a deal, but I think his days are numbered, what with the promising arms on the farm.

    Wilson better start hitting, otherwise there’s no reason to keep him as well. He looks bad at 3rd, and now 1st. His play last night gave no one a reason to trade for him.

    Yeah, I guess this qualifies at the worst case scenario in a lot of aspects. But we can’t pull a Mets – can’t give up and mail in the rest of the season. Baseball is a game of redemption, and there are 110 games still to go.

  67. sfill May 28th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    We are going to have to pull homeless people off the streets of the bronx to put them into the rotation if the injuries don’t stop!

  68. JoeyA May 28th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    I can’t believe I’m actually saying this, but the move the Red Sox made in signing Colon and Casey was EXACTLY what the Yankees should have done. Instead, We have Betemit trading off with Big G at 1B and we are still looking for a starter, for the time being. I’m not for a heavily-rookie weighted BP, but these kids need shots sometime, why not now? Hawkins is not getting it done. Melancon or Cox cannot be worse than LaTroy or Olendorf What can they do, give up 5 and 2 run leads, respectively? I think the organization thinks as long as they have their stars the rest will fall into place. You NEED a good bench and a lefty in the bullpen. We have 1, count him, 1 lefty in the bullpen, no pinch runner, and Duncan as our pinch hitter, Mr. No-Adjustment. The best part about last nights’ game was the rain delay when YES was airing the ’98 team. THAT WAS A TEAM.

  69. Dee May 28th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    Ensberg and Betemit are not fit to be Yankees. Sorry to be blunt.

  70. SJ44 May 28th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    The options are definitely limited.

    The only reason I can’t see Hawkins being DFA’ed is that if they do it, its Farnsworth, Mo and 5 rookies (Ramirez, Veras, Britton, Ollie, Patterson) in the bullpen.

    Not a ringing endorsement of Hawkins. Just a view based on an examination of the roster.

    Even when Cox and Melancon are ready in another month, they are still rookies.

    If its an all-rookie bullpen, which I’m not totally against, then you have to be honest with the fan base. It truly is a rebuilding season and then its imperative you be sellers at the deadline.

    You can’t just “blow it up” halfway. Either do it like Billy Beane did in Oakland (total roster makeover to be good for years not just go for it for one more year) or keep it intact (the wrong way to go with this Yankee team, IMO) and try to find some parts that fit.

    I love what Beane did in Oakland because he was not only honest with himself, he was honest with the fan base.

    The story that was posted on here the other day about the fans confronting Beane at FanFest was classic. How many GM’s even show up at Fanfests today? Let alone not just take questions, but to give a blow by blow description (which Beane did) of why he blew up the team. That’s pretty cool stuff.

    He made it clear that in order to be good for years to come, they had to make the off-season moves they made. By doing so, he has set up his team for another nice 5 year run.

    I know people say, “You can’t do that in NY”. I disagree. Its being done right now before our eyes. Its just that nobody has come out and said the “R” (rebuilding) word.

    Even the most optimistic fans of this team can see its not a good team.

    Perhaps they will be better when Posada comes back. Perhaps they won’t. Mainly due to the fact that there are too many parts that don’t fit.

    If that’s the case, then this is the year to completely makeover the team.

    If you are a GM, the one thing you don’t want to do is be dishonest with yourself re: your team.

    Beane is great at what he does because he’s never dishonest with himself about his teams.

    As they say, that’s why he gets paid the big bucks.

  71. JoeyA May 28th, 2008 at 10:00 am

    I know this is a bit of a stretch, but how much of the pitching woes, and sometimes absurd pitches being thrown, can be attributed to Moeller and Molina calling them. I trust Molina, to a degree, but nobody is better than Jorge at understanding what should be thrown. He knows our staff better than anybody else. Once again, not making excuses for the BP, they are terrible currently, but can even a fraction of their lack of success be attributed to the fingers being put down before every pitch?

  72. ham_fighter May 28th, 2008 at 10:01 am

    i like cashman, but this is why i’ve been saying all year that im not sold on keeping him to rebuild this team this offseason. i understand that the yankees are looking at this as a compete-as-you-rebuild year, but basic issues that needed to be covered for this season were ignored.

    he should have signed livan hernadez or some similar arm who could give us 200 innings around or slightly below league average numbers to allow for our young arms to develop at a slower pace and cover for injuries.

    he should have found someone for the bench who can pinch-run for posada/molina/giambi.

    he should have found someone who can play an adequate 1B. phillips wasnt bad and should have been kept for this imo.

    he should have gotten us an effective LH relief pitcher for the reasons several ppl have cited above.

    i had no problem passing on santana, but there were important moves that needed to be made for this season and he did nothing.

    now we’re going to be making some big decisions this offseason, and given what he left us with on the roster for this year, im not convinced that he’s the guy i want to see making those decisions.

    people will say he will fix the roster between now and the trade deadline, but thats half a season too late.

    i say kick him upstairs make him vp of player personell or something so he can stay with the organization, if he’ll take it, and make oppenhiemer the g.m..

  73. TurnTwo May 28th, 2008 at 10:01 am

    Marte’s the popular name, but its not like he’s bee n as good this year as in previous seasons… just goes to show that the bullpen market is so volatile year to year.

    for the Pirates to hold out, as reported this past offseason, for Jose Tabata for a LH reliever is insanity.

  74. rover May 28th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    There must be a ton of lefties around. Seems that just about every pitcher we face is a lefty. I didn’t see the jeter throw everyone is taliking about. I do so want to believe jeters play lastnight was just an aberration. Yep, Hawkins was the victim but truth be told he never should have been in the game. They lost because of anyone of a half dozen bone head plays.Between IPK, an ohly, there was a contest to see who was better at centering a pitch. You will not survive thigh high and center third of the plate. Both had that pitch down pat last night.

  75. William Buckner May 28th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    “The best part about last nights’ game was the rain delay when YES was airing the ‘98 team. THAT WAS A TEAM.”

    Thought the same thing. I forgot about guys like Ricky Ledee or Chad Curtis, Shane Spencer. That many more pesky players. Very LA Angel like.

    I’m as big a Cashman fan as there is, but 1/3 the season is over. Time to move. If RS drop Tavarez, why do we still carry Hawkins? Why do we still carry Ensberg, he doesnt play!

    Those two are very obvious cases for DFA. I thought Hawkins was a good sign, still do, even though it didnt work out. It was a good flyer.

    Time to be proactive as a GM.

  76. randy l May 28th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    the yankees need in general to set up internal competition for jobs. right now cashman goes by what he thinks and then he rides out his belief until he beats it to death.

    what he should do with new players is set up competitions and let the winners get the playing time independent of their names and what he personally thinks of them.

    if he did this , hughes and kennedy would have been gone by the end of the second week. shelley duncan would have been sent down. ensberg would have been long gone. even cano would have sat when he was terrible.

    gonzales would be up and down as he replaces players who don’t perform. veterans get more time ,but not infinite time. guys like hawkins get buried if they do bad . it’d be up to them to dig back out.

    i used to play some serious two person beach volleyball in sarasota florida. it was serious to the point where we played avp players and world champions like sinjin smith and randy stoklas. what drove the excellence was that it was based on winners play,losers sit.

    five courts worked up to the winners court. it took me 4 years before i played on court one. no coach decided it. winning decided it. once you made it to court one, you either won or you sat until your next game came up maybe 5 hours later. if you lost enough in a row, you dropped off court one

    i’ve never seen anyone at any level of competition compete harder than that group( maybe 50 guys) of athletes competed. eventually the avp found us and came to play us. they had to win to keep playing too( they did) the point is competition drives athletes. if cashman would have been in charge of our v/ball competition, he would have picked out players he liked and developed them. it’s not as good as the way we did it.

    our simple system of winners play, losers it developed better top players than a system that is based just on developing the players someone thinks is the good players.

  77. JoeyA May 28th, 2008 at 10:06 am

    I think we are doing a decent job of that, while still staying competitive. Just look at the posts on this blog alone: Melancon, Cox, Horne, Patterson. These guys will make a difference in years to come, if not this year. We are losing a good chunk of our older guys after this season (Moose, Pettite, PAVANO, Giambi, Farnsworth, Hawkins). With >$73million being cleared off the payroll, I think we will go out and get some guys, and i’m sure most of them wont be over 30. Hughes and Chamberlain are already ML ready pitchers and our bullpen will be very young in the next year or so. After this year, this team’s potential can be enormous if we make the right offseason moves (Sabathia, Tex, lefty reliever or two)

  78. stuart May 28th, 2008 at 10:07 am

    SJ I disagree with you a bunch. Sean Casey stinks and had 2 previous bad yrs. in a row.. Let’s look at his #’s at the end. Many young guys in the pen concern you!!!WHy? Just because Hawkins is a vet means nothing, he has pitched badly, I would go with the young guys if they fail and need more SEASONING(your term) then send them down.

    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a better result. Sending out Hawkins is insanity.

    Karstens is no answer again he stinks.. Go with the young premium arms in the pen and see how they do, if they succeed add to there role. Example Edwar last yr. overmatched, he learned and is doing much better this yr. can he keep a zero ERA? No but a 2 and change ERA would be more then fine.

    Ensberg is a total waste, he adds absolutely nothing. BYE BYE..Shelly has not played well but still deserves more time and chances, he has hit many balls hard but at people and AAA is not for him, he is dominant there… I also like the AG on the big club but understand why they want him in SWB to develop more…..

    Again they have so many good young pen arms, try things out why not? every other team looks at performance not birth certificates>>>>>>>>again I had no problem with using hawkins last night becuase my lack of confidence in him or Veras but we need to end that thinking, Hawkins cannot do the job… OVer 20 innings and a 6 ERA.. Ohlendorf needs to go down and get things together, everyone saying he is not a long man, is BS….He got torched on like his 12th pitch and on…..He has not performed yet either, bottom line.. He needs to go down and get his head together…

    WHy do other tems try other options but the Yanks rarely shake things up.. Sending Ohlendorf down or other young guys is not a panic move nor does it guarantee these kids will never succeed, again Edwar and Melky show this is a PROCESS to develop young guys…..

  79. Jax May 28th, 2008 at 10:08 am

    I can imagine what kind of response from a win now fan base and what kind of response it would be from the media if Cashman ever came out and called this a rebuilding year. Talk about folks going nuts.

  80. Joe from Long Island May 28th, 2008 at 10:09 am

    I know it’s popular to criticize Cash for “bad” FA signings, but I think all such signings have a risk in them. You don’t know for sure what you’re getting.

    Ensberg had some shoulder issues the past couple of years, which, theoretically, may have impacted his hitting. Based on ST, he seemed over it. Now, maybe not. So, bring up another FA signing, Jason Lane, who everyone’s clamoring for. If he hits, then Cash is a genius for sotckpiling him.

    Similarly, everyone was calling for Shelley to play. Now that he’s playing and not doing well, it’s off with everyone’s head.

    Hindsight is always 20-20. Some things you can kind of predict, like Jason not being a great 1B, but some things you can’t.

    And I wouldn’t necessarily be afraid of more rookies in the pen. Edwar seems to be coming along, once he figured it out. Besides, what’s the option, more of retreads, like Hawkins?

  81. Scott (The Joba Process Has Begun!) May 28th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    The arguments that were in play before the season are still in play now.

    No long man out of the bullpen – Ohlendorf was misused into that role.

    No lefty out of the bullpen – Traber or bust. I choose…BUST!

    No first basemen – Giambi finally hitting but is still an awful defender. The league has figured Duncan out. Ensberg can’t make the switch. Lane’s next.

    All of the question marks are also negatives

    Hawkins has been a failure.
    Kennedy pitched awful and came back in time to get hurt.
    Hughes was also awful and is hurt.

    There have also been the injuries

    All that has gone wrong and we are only 6 games back.

    That kind of bad luck can’t last. It never does.

  82. William Buckner May 28th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    I think rookie in the pen is the perfect place for power arms. KRod was a rookie when he burst on. Same with Jenks and Joba. Being a veteran has been no value for Hawkins.

    I think with the pen, you look at two things. Ability to get swing and misses and the ability to throw strikes.

  83. RER - 98 May 28th, 2008 at 10:11 am

    I agree with SJ’s take. Fingers were crossed from the beginning with Hughes and Kennedy so what’s happened with them is no shock.
    The roster construction was questionable right out of spring training. Like a square peg in a round hole. No fits – no flexability and it glares.
    If these Yankees are to make a surge forward, some serious roster tuning needs attention.
    Even though Girardi uses a bullpen better than Torre did, there’s certain pitchers in wrong roles such as Ohlendorf and Hawkins.

  84. raymagnetic ®™ May 28th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    “Every Yankees loss leads to the same 100 comments.

    PlayerA, PlayerB, and PlayerC have -got- to go. Call up PlayerX and PlayerY!!!

    Then, a few weeks later, when PlayerA has broken his slump, he’s replaced with PlayerD. When PlayerX is stinking up AAA, he’s replaced with PlayerZ.



    You forgot about the daily fire Cashman rants as well. Those are usually my favorites.

  85. Frank Discussion May 28th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    I see both valid arguments from both Stuart and SJ. I’d like to have a veteran presence in the BP as well, but if that veteran (Hawkins) isn’t performing up to par, IMO it defeats the purpose. Give fresh arms a shot.

  86. SJ44 May 28th, 2008 at 10:16 am

    Its not even the LH reliever issue.

    That’s one spot but everybody has problems filling. I can understand (though not like) flailing in that regard.

    How do you pass on reasonable bench options? Why no speed and/or defense on the bench? Why no flexibility?

    Why leave the manager powerless with a bench that simply isn’t good? Especially a first year manager? A guy you picked to do this job because he showed in Florida he can get 25 guys involved in contributing? Scouts have told me they think its the worst Yankees bench they have seen in over 15 years. That ain’t good.

    When scouts can see how bad these options are, how can Cash and the front office not see it?

    Its a big problem. When you have an older team, your bench has to have reliable parts. Unfortunately, this bench does not.

    The young pitching? I have no problems doing what he did in that area. It didn’t work out. However, that’s a move I can’t second guess because if I was the GM, I’d have done the exact same thing.

    What I wouldn’t have done, is put together a bench this weak. Even if it meant overpaying to stock up on certain guys, I’d do it. Unless ownership was against it (which they wouldn’t be), there is no way you put together a bench this weak if you are the Yankees.

    That’s the biggest mistake he made this off-season. Worse than Hawkins because Hawkins is only a stop gap guy. He’s not here for the long haul.

    Leaving the bench so barren may be the thing that ends up costing him his job.

    There is no logical reason why the New York Yankees have to use DH’s and third basemen to play first base. I am a big fan of Cashman’s. However, if I was the owner of this team, that would make me madder than just about anything today.

  87. stuart May 28th, 2008 at 10:17 am

    SJ I also agree with your assesment of this team.. WIth all there faults and going young they should be a playoff team.

    there lineup is or should be great….with Joba in the rotation that should be real good and they have enough good arms to make the pen much better.

    Again if Melancon is 24 or 19 I do not care, it is performance… Yes there bench is not as good and versatile as during the championship years but the lineup now is much much better…Betemit is below avg. at all the fielding positions but he can hit, and is a switch hitter and is better then Sean Casey and younger and more athletic.. Casey stinks look at his stats the last few yrs…..

    The need to add a real OF for the bench who is athletic and refuse to add Grdner because it would stall his development and is a lefty . Ensberg stink and I assume Lane is a lefthanded version of him.. Slow, many K’s, etc..

    This team has alot of talent remove Hawkins, do not wait for Kyle to fail to have a plan B, send Ohlendorf down to get things together try; patterson or melancon, or cox, or britton or all of them….How complicated is this???? The angels use young guys all the time, if they fail they send them down, if they succeed they give them a bigger role.. Adenhart got bombed and went down for more work..

  88. Kill-Schill(ing) May 28th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    Does anyone have comparative statistics on how Ohlendorf performs in his first inning of work versus how he performs in his second and third.

    Yankees Republic and I corresponded about it last week– by the way, you can hear his weekly Yankees report every Wednesday night now on Mark Rosenman Sportstalkny ( He often has some acute insights into the team’s performance.

    It seems Ohlendorf either fatigues or loses his arm slot in the second inning, his effectiveness plummets, and he becomes a different pitcher.

    I’d have to see the stats though to see whether they confirm my observation.

    Still, I can’t fathom why Girardi stil insists on using for two or more innings regardless.

  89. SJ44 May 28th, 2008 at 10:28 am


    Guys like Alex Cora and Shawn Casey are guys the Yankees would have gobbled up and won titles with 10 years ago.

    Its not how their numbers stack up at the end of the year. Its WHEN they accumulate their numbers.

    Casey has won 4 games for the Red Sox this year. How many games has Morgan Ensberg won for the Yankees. Ironically, the Red Sox are 4 games ahead of the Yankees in the loss column.

    When guys get hurt, or are slumping, guys like Cora and Casey have stepped up.

    They are stablizing guys in the clubhouse. Good leaders, solid citizens. Good with young players.

    You don’t think a guy like Cora, who will be a future manager one day, isn’t a solid influence on a kid like Pedroia?

    Put it another way. How good would he be with Cano? He would help that kid become the player he can be.

    I’ll give you another name. Eric Hinske. A guy who can play 3 positions, pinch hit, and play off the bench. If, for no other reason, to keep him away from Wang. He owns Wang!

    Seriously though, another guy who should have been considered. He wasn’t.

    When you are a big market team like the Yankees, the bench is vital. To the Red Sox credit, they understand that and guys like Cora and Casey (just two examples) are important to their success.

    That’s missing here.

    As I’ve said, I am a big Cashman fan and still am. He has a very tough job. Rebuild (and make no mistake, this team is rebuilding) AND compete. Its just about an impossible job.

    That said, from Day One, the roster has been a mess. The parts don’t fit. Guys playing out of position. Short guys who become long guys in the ‘pen, etc. It has cost them games. Mainly because they are too reliant on an offense that needs to score 900+ runs in a season to win. Its not the way to go, IMO.

    When you have a roster that doesn’t fit, and a 209 million dollar payroll to boot, its hard not to ask, “what’s going on”?

  90. Jax May 28th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    If this is really a rebuilding year then Robertson, Cox and Gardner should be up. No they may not be ready but it’s not like they’re in A ball. Both are in AAA and just about ML ready. It really doesn’t take relievers that long to develop. They have their 2 pitches established already and it’s not like they are working on their 3rd and 4th pitches. It’s just a matter of throwing strikes to major league hitters. Rebuilding/transition year lets see what they have.

  91. RhapsodyInBlue May 28th, 2008 at 10:32 am

    I don’t get the comparison between Betemit and Sean Casey, like it’s either or, the only two choices for first base on the planet.
    Frankly Andy Philips was a better fit for this particular team on the field and in the locker room.

  92. Mr. Exceptional May 28th, 2008 at 10:35 am

    Possible solution:

    Marte & Minky from Pitts for ???

  93. Jerkface May 28th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Wow, so now we should have guys like Alex Cora and Sean Casey? And we can’t judge them on their stats? They just ‘win games’?

    What a load of rubbish. Alex Cora had a 56 and a 75 OPS+ the last 2 years. Sean Casey had a below average OPS+ the last two years as well(although his OBP is fine, the power numbers suck).

    This year both are hitting way above their heads. Sean Casey has an incredible BABIP, and isn’t hitting for anymore power than normal(same IsoP) and has the same IsoD as his earlier seasons. He is just getting dinkers that fall in or balls that should be getting gobbled up through the infield.

    You can’t look in hindsight at the bench cashman built and proclaim that cashman should have filled it with worse players who happen to be performing well right now.

    Going into the season everyone raved about the bench. We had 3 guys who could play multiple positions and hit from every side for power and OBP. We also had one of the better backup catchers in the league.

    Now that the bench options(sans betemit) are failing, everyone goes “OH NO WE HAVE A HORRIBLE BENCH, HOW COME CASHMAN DIDNT SEE THIS?!?!”

    Its ridiculous. Its rubbish. Theo Epstein did not have any kind of special super power insight that led him to keep Alex Cora. He was not sitting in some dark chamber, casting a spell that would make Alex Cora into a competent offensive player. They got lucky that Cora is performing as well as he is. They got lucky that Sean Casey is out performing his career line and the past 2 seasons.

    Cashman got unlucky, that ensberg is truly washed up, and that despite mashing in Spring Duncan has just lost it.

    The regular roster also lacks the flexibility to fix this.

  94. al arodien May 28th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    peter- i got to get this out now! first yesterday you wrote a very nice thing about people who use this blog for there stupidity and you were 100 % right about everything, but when i see you pounding kyle farnsworth with names like crasy kyle isnt that hipocricy ?!!doest he have a wife and kids who could read this blog and what to they see that the main blooger is ripping there father?!! even when he pitches good! but a guy like hawkins even he stinks lately no word whats so ever! Bottom line you cant offically name him crasy kyle ! HE IS NOT A PLAY STAITION FIGURE HE IS A HUMAN BEING!!! btw im not a farnsy fan when he steenks i boo him too. but you cant officaly call him names like that!

  95. Kill-Schill(ing) May 28th, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Couldn’t agree more about the bench, but I still think last year’s bench was worse at this time of year.

    Don’t forget in May of 2007, the bench consisted of Will Nieves, Minky/Phelps/Phillips, Miguel Cairo, and guys like Chris Basak and Kevin Thompson. That bench was far worse.

    But I agree, with Ensberg and Duncan not hitting this bench isn’t markedly better. Too many redundant parts: Ensberg, Betemit, and Duncan, yet no one with speed who could pinch-run and steal a base in the late-inning, which was always a feature of the Yankees’ clubs in the 90′s.

    If the Yankees want to play Gardner every day as Cashman insists then they should open up a roster spot for Bernie Castro or the Attorney General.

  96. randy l. May 28th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    has anyone on this blog noticed that coco crisp and jacoby ellsbury compete for the center field job?

    crisp was a goner at the end of last year. but the red sox gave him a chance to compete this spring. he responded to the competition. i don’t see the yankees having this kind of internal competition.if the yankees would have had that scenario, ellsbury would have been given the job as part of the youth plan.

    it’s a dumb way to find winners. competition is how you find winners. you don’t think your way there. you compete your way there.

    and anyone who thinks joba has proven anything as far as being a major league starter is wrong. he should get the chance and that’s it. he either wins or he drops back to get better next time he gets the chance.

    no one knows what joba will do until he does it. anointing him the next great starter before he makes his first start is doing things backwards, and typical of how the yankees are run.

    cashman should be competing for his job too. when did the yankee’s stop being about competition?

  97. SJ44 May 28th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    Robertson has struggled in AAA. I think the plan is for him to be in NY at some point. However, he has to pitch better than he has so far in AAA to get there this year.

    He’s walking too many people and falling into bad counts. Just needs more seasoning.

    Cox and Melancon are about a month away from being at full strength. They are still building up arm strength and its best to do that in the minors.

    Gardner? They feel he is better off playing everyday in AAA than sitting on the bench in NY. I can understand that to a certain degree.

    Even though I think he would be able to get time rotating in the OF. It becomes a numbers game, roster-wise, and it looks like he’s the 26th guy on a 25 man roster.

    Lane for Ensberg is something that will probably happen. I can’t see them letting Lane go on May 31. That would be foolish.

    Who knows, perhaps he can have a hot couple of weeks and win a couple of games for them. It would be nice if that happened.

    If it doesn’t, you let him go.

    At this point, its clear Girardi has no use for Ensberg. Replacing him with Lane seems to be the way to go right now.

  98. RhapsodyInBlue May 28th, 2008 at 10:41 am

    At least Minky provided good defense at first. I would glady see him there over any option we have today.

  99. TurnTwo May 28th, 2008 at 10:44 am

    i really think its not a matter of an awful bench, just that everyone performed about as bad as anyone could have predicted.

    redundant parts? sure, but when you looked at this everyday lineup, how often did you really anticipate needing the bench players?

    the bench played too much too early in the season due to injuries, and it got exposed. maybe its better off this way, because it’ll force the hand of cashman to try and tweak the roster early enough to help make a difference over the last 4 months of the season.

    Cox and Melancon should not be up at the MLB level yet. they are still on their rehab schedules, adn while you look at their results and clamor to get them in the big league pen, they need to be careful not to push them too hard too quick.

    if this season is a wash, so be it. you dont want to call up rehabbing players too early to push for 2008 and then lose them again for 2009 and 2010.

  100. RhapsodyInBlue May 28th, 2008 at 10:45 am

    And for that matter none of the starters or bench players we currently have provide the glove at first that Andy Philips did.
    I agree with SJ about the bench and the lack of options that Girardi has with it.

  101. stuart May 28th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    SJ that is great in retrospect.. Hinske has played poorly for yrs. and now is on a hot streak but he needed to come to grips with no longer being a starter and he had no interest in coming to the yanks and sitting on the bench.

    Cora is a better Cairo, again the Yanks had no option of getting these guys.. You are partly correct but again if the yanks did not blow all there $$$$$ on the Giambi’s then they would be able to afford to pay a little more for the spare pieces, hopefully since they appear to finally be done with the superstar at each position mentallity then going forward they can have a much more balanced roster… As is, there roster is made to destroy teams but has a lot of difficulty in close games and that is why I suggest go young. They are not getting any of these pieces during this season so they need to go with plan B. Mark Loretta is not getting traded to the Yanks….

    Casey is doing well because of the team he is on.. Manny and puppy make everyone else better, are the Yankee superstars doing this? Jeter was a joke last night.. He played with the aptitude of Jose reyes, and BTW that is not a compliment.

    Jeter made about 3 or 4 terrible plays in 1 game…And for the Giambi lovefest, he is still hitting 240 or so for $21 mill.. Cano is still not there, last night he swung and hit a ball to 3rd on a 3 and 1 pitch of course it was ball four. Cano is always trying to be the hero and of course trying to be the hero is a formula for never being the hero.. they would have had 2 on and I think no outs but Cano did his lung routine and failed.. Cano has failed way to much this yr. Also can the announcers watch the game and realize of the 8 runs the orioles scored 1 was unearned…..

  102. Kill-Schill(ing) May 28th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    SJ44, you don’t like my idea of opening a roster spot for a speedster like Bernie Castro or Gonzo.

    Is Jason Lane that much more potent an offensive threat than Ensberg or anymore versatile than Shelly. I realize Lane can play the outfield, but so can Shelly.

    Is Lane an especially adept defensive 1B? The Yankees need one of those too so they can pinch-run for Giambi in late innings and then spell him with a defensive specialist at 1B.

  103. Scott (The Joba Process Has Begun!) May 28th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    SJ -

    I definitely agree that you can’t blast Cashman for Hughes and Kennedy’s struggles. It was the right move – it just hasn’t worked out.

    In my opinion, the 1b problem was caused by Giambi’s inability to field the position and his salary. It was compounded by his inability to hit. His salary meant he’d never get the benching or demotions he earned.

    Why we do not have a defensive 1b on this roster (a’la Mientkiewicz) is beyond me. Cashman spent three roster spots trying to fix the 1b problem caused by Giambi (Duncan, Lane / Ensberg) and didn’t actually address the need – defense.

    As for speed / defensive replacements – no one in the organization was capable of filling that role. Since we have 4 potential OF’s (Damon, Matsui, Abreu, Cabrera) it seems he didn’t feel the need to get an OF defensive replacement. We don’t even have a pinch runner!

  104. RhapsodyInBlue May 28th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    The defense from this team has been deplorable, the only two postion players who have been exceptional compared to the rest are Melky and Molina.
    Every other player particularly the infield players have contributed to some costly gaffes in this season.

  105. randy l. May 28th, 2008 at 10:49 am

    “Going into the season everyone raved about the bench.”

    i raved about the bench?

    speak for yourself.

    “cashman got unlucky”

    my take is cashman has made his own luck.

  106. SJ44 May 28th, 2008 at 10:51 am

    Alex Cora is not with the Red Sox for his bat. He’s there for his glove, ability to play off the bench, and because he’s a fundamentally sound player. He’s also a leader. Especially with young players and a bridge between Manny and the front office.

    I don’t know, ‘ya think he gets a bunt down last night if he’s with the Yankees? Seems like the Yankees have a hard time with that.

    How ’bout having him backing up Jeter at short and Cano at second? If he was on the roster, ‘ya think Jeter would be playing through injuries? Which, by that way, isn’t helping the team?

    He isn’t an all star. He sure as hell is better than what’s sitting on the Yankees bench right now.

    Shaun Casey can actually PLAY first base. You think he isn’t a better option defensively than Betemit or Ensberg?

    For guys who aren’t any good, they seem to be outpeforming guys who are supposed to be good, aren’t they?

    Bottom line is, the Red Sox have a better bench and more flexible team than the Yankees. That’s indistputable.

    Ortiz hasn’t hit for most of the season, they find ways to win.

    Lowell misses 5 weeks, they find ways to win.

    Crisp and Ellsbury share OF duties, they find ways to win.

    Youkilis is hurt, they find ways to win.

    Dice-K walks 5-6 guys a night, they find ways to win.

    Their young pitchers seem to be able to handle the spotlight. ‘Ya think its because they finally have veterans who are stabilizing forces in the clubhouse?

    Its almost as if the two franchises swapped places in the last 3-4 in terms of how they put together a roster.

    Remember when the Yankees had players that all chipped in to find ways to win games?

    That’s what I’m talking about when discussing bench options.

    Put it another way. Take the Yankees and Red Sox rosters, place them side by side, and objectively, tell me which roster gets more bang for its buck.

    Which guys perform at or over their contract levels? Its the Red Sox by a large margin.

    Doesn’t mean it won’t stay like that forever but, its been the case for last year and this year.

    Fortunately, with a ton of money coming off the books after this year, the Yankees will have a chance to remake the roster to be more flexible and functional.

  107. yankee lover May 28th, 2008 at 10:53 am

    This is all on Cashman. Its all bad planning. He predicted or projected success for Kennedy and Hughes and he couldnt be more wrong. He over rated the potential of Petitte going into this year. He was ready to hand the third base job to Betimet if AROD walked. The team cannot get past 500 and its all because of Cashmans calls, predictions and decisions. He wants us to believe that he is doing the right thing for the future by protecting “pheenoms” in the minors. Well, his two best “pheenoms” are Hughes and Kennedy so to me he is protecting nothing. The minor leaguers are probably as bad as the major leaguers

  108. raymagnetic ®™ May 28th, 2008 at 10:54 am

    Let’s see if this blog board were the Yankees GM some of the moves that would have been made thus far.

    Giambi – He’d be gone he would have been DFA’d after week 2.
    Damon – Would have followed Matsui.

    Matsui – He would have been traded to SF or to whoever was willing to give a bag of balls for him, he’s simply a spare part anyway.

    So now the three best hitters on the Yankees this year would be gone if Cashman had followed the advice of this Yankees board.

    I sometimes like to think that a team who has been in the playoffs the past 13 years has a semblance of what they’re doing. I could be wrong however.

  109. TurnTwo May 28th, 2008 at 10:54 am

    Cashman built a bench that was supposed to basically play, and hit, LHP (which was a weakness of last year’s team). Ensberg over his career had killed LHP, and Shelley showed the tendency against LHP last year to warrant the experiment.

    unfortunately, it didnt work out. it was worth a shot, but now, after 2 months, you can reassess and figure out that changes need to be made.

    i dont fault Cashman’s bench construction, because i saw what he was doing and agreed with it, for the most part. but now, if Cashman doesnt fix the problem, that’s where the blame lies with him.

  110. Scott (The Joba Process Has Begun!) May 28th, 2008 at 10:54 am


    First – love the name LOL!

    Casey was not being discussed because of his bat. He’d be a good defensive replacement for Giambi. Can he hit a little? Yeah. Is that why we would get him? No.

  111. William Buckner May 28th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    To give perspective of how useless Ensberg is to this team. We all agree WB is awful at 1st. Why didn’t Joe use him as a D replacement in the 11th?

  112. Mark Alan May 28th, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Gee, and after Hawkins made that noble sacrifice on behalf of the memory of Paulie, this is how we treat him? Bah.

    Hey, bullpen was lousy last year, pre-Joba. We need another Joba, which we won’t get, but I still want to see Edwar given a shot. I think he can be gold.

    As for Kennedy, Hughes… did Cashman rush the kids? We’d have been better off digging up Oscar Azocar and switching him back to an SP.

    The wife had a brilliant observation last night: “Ohlendorf? Who he? He sounds like a character from LORD OF THE RINGS.”

  113. Kill-Schill(ing) May 28th, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Come on, guys, don’t give up on the season just yet.

    Causes for optimism:

    1) Joba enters the rotation in a few weeks

    2) and with the emergence of Rasner, the prospect of one of the best rotations in the AL East (Wang-Pettite-Joba-Rasner-Moose/Hughes)

    3) Giambi and Cano are starting to hit

    4) Posada returns in a week or two

    5) the Offense, in general, has awakened from a two month slumber

    6) the Yankees are only 6-games behind Tampa in the loss column for the division, and 4-games behind Boston for the Wild Card spot. (Much better than last year when they were 13.5 games and 7.5 games out of the Wild Card)

    7) Detroit, Cleveland, and Seattle all have worse records; Oakland will fall off in the 2nd half.

    8) they have an easy June and interleague schedule compared to Tampa and Boston (during which Boston likely will not have Matsuzaka besides)

    Yankees– Padres, Reds, Pirates, Mets, Astros
    Red Sox– Diamondbacks, Phillies, Cardinals, Astros
    Rays– Marlins (6), Cubs, Astros, Pirates

    9) the Yankees of the late 2000 can duplicate the trajectory of the 90′s Athletics, teams that languish at .500 during the 1st half before getting hot in the 2nd half.

    10) Rebecca spiked my Cheerios this morning with her unassailable optimism.

  114. Ty May 28th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    Perhaps the Yankees should be looking at a player like Ryan Freel. Solid player who puts the bat on the ball and can play many positions. He would be a better bet than Doug M.

  115. Frank Discussion May 28th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    I don’t blame Cashman for Hughes and Kennedy struggling, that comes with the territory. I blame him for leaving two gaping holes in the rotation (Pavano, Igawa) that the team has to scramble to fill. I can partly understand Pavano, as many others were interested in him as well, but Igawa remains a mystery. I still think he was simply trying to counter the Boston move with Matsuzaka and it blew up in his face.

  116. V May 28th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    “Let’s see if this blog board were the Yankees GM some of the moves that would have been made thus far.

    Giambi – He’d be gone he would have been DFA’d after week 2.
    Damon – Would have followed Matsui.

    Matsui – He would have been traded to SF or to whoever was willing to give a bag of balls for him, he’s simply a spare part anyway.

    So now the three best hitters on the Yankees this year would be gone if Cashman had followed the advice of this Yankees board.

    I sometimes like to think that a team who has been in the playoffs the past 13 years has a semblance of what they’re doing. I could be wrong however.”


    Totally agreed.

    This blog has a lot of wannabe GMs, who are continually proven wrong in their judgments about players.

    And then, failing to learn from their mistakes, make snap judgments about other players.

  117. Jerkface May 28th, 2008 at 11:04 am

    I don’t know if anyone has been paying attention, but replacing our hitters with all-glove no-bat is exactly what we did with Alberto Gonzalez & Jose Molina. And we didn’t exactly win games.

    Would Jeter be playing if we had Cora on the bench? YES HE WOULD. Because he is a selfish ‘leads by example’ Captain of the team. He would be playing through injury.

    I mention the batting skills of Casey and Cora because if they were on our team you all would be flippin complainin about how we’re getting killed with our automatic outs.

    First base defense is completely overrated, we need a 1st baseman who can hit and scoop balls out of the dirt.

    Alberto Gonzalez is a better defender than Cora. So i don’t know why we would need Cora.

    Secondly, Damon and Giambi are our stablizing veteran presences. Why would we need to bring in Sean Casey to stablize anything?!

    You’re making arguments about things that cannot be quantified.

    You’re looking at the performance of another teams players and projecting special ability onto players who are no good or average in an attempt to justify their success.

  118. SJ44 May 28th, 2008 at 11:06 am


    Let’s look at the roster and see where some parts can fit:

    Position players:

    Giambi, Ensberg, Duncan, Betemit, Cano, Jeter, Arod, Molina, Moeller, Damon, Matsui, Cabrera and Abreu.

    Molina and Moeller obviously stay until Jorge is back.

    Ensberg, Duncan and Betemit? Honestly, how can Castro (perhaps more than Gonzalez because Castro can run better and play both short and second admirably) and Lane not be better options at this point than Duncan and Ensberg? They can’t be any worse unless they hit .000 and not field a lick. I don’t see that happening.

    Betemit? Stuck with him for now because can play (not well but, can play) the corner infield positions.

    I don’t think its farfetched to call up Castro and Lane. In fact when you think about it, its probably the right move to make at this time.

    The pitchers:

    Starters: Wang, Pettitte, Mussina, Rasner, Kennedy. Bullpen: Chamberlain, Hawkins, Ohlendorf, Ramirez, Veras, Farnsworth, Rivera.

    Kennedy will go on the DL and Joba will go to the rotation. That sets up their 5 starters.

    They need to replace Kennedy on the roster. It probably should be Britton since he can pitch multiple innings.

    Hawkins? Survives the DFA axe for now but, its doubtful he’s with the team after the trade deadline. He’s dead man walking on this roster at this point. In NY, you don’t recover from his last two outings. You get moved to soft landing situations and eventually are off the team. Be it by trade or DFA. He has virtually no chance of seeing a complete season in NY, IMO.

    Ohlendorf? I would send him down and have him pitch in short relief in Scranton. In fact, I’d make him the closer down there and teach him how to finish innings and games. Remember, it was this time last year in which he was turned into a relief pitcher. Instead of jerking the guy around from role to role, keep him in one spot and see if he develops. At this point, it has to be done in Scranton.

    I’d call up Patterson to replace him on the roster. He’s another guy who can pitch multiple innings and he’s paid his dues for his temper tantrum when he didn’t make the team. Give him a shot because Robertson, Cox and Melancon aren’t ready yet.

    Joba to the rotation for Kennedy and Britton and Patterson to the roster for Kennedy (DL) and Ohlendorf.

    Its about all they can do right now. The rest of it is going to have to come from guys starting to play with their heads out of, instead of firmly into, their butts.

  119. bigjf May 28th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    This team wants to tout its farm system? Then it’s time for them to embrace it full bore. Call up Melancon to replace Kennedy, move Joba to the rotation, trade Hawkins, and bring back Britton!

    How is McCutchen doing lately?

  120. randy l. May 28th, 2008 at 11:07 am

    “I don’t know, ‘ya think he gets a bunt down last night if he’s with the Yankees? Seems like the Yankees have a hard time with that.
    How ’bout having him backing up Jeter at short and Cano at second? If he was on the roster, ‘ya think Jeter would be playing through injuries? Which, by that way, isn’t helping the team?”


  121. Jerkface May 28th, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Red Sox players currently underperforming their contracts:

    Julio Lugo
    Mike Lowell
    JD Drew
    Coco Crisp (to an extent)

  122. bigjf May 28th, 2008 at 11:09 am

    Jerkface, I’m pretty sure Molina hit fairly well for us and had the game winning hit against Seattle. I know Sterling said it was Cano, but it was actually Molina.

  123. Jerkface May 28th, 2008 at 11:10 am

    Red Sox have 10 bunts/sacrafice hits

    Yankees have 9

    Last season we had 11 more successful bunts than the red sox.

    Bunting ability not relevant

  124. Jerkface May 28th, 2008 at 11:11 am


    Look at the entire month stretch where Molina was in a deep slump. He grounded into a number of double plays and was basically a black hole of offense. I really like Molina, but his career numbers are awful for offense.

    We were lucky he mashed for those 3 weeks when Posada first went down.

    His main skill is being a great defensive catcher who handles the pitching staff well.

  125. V May 28th, 2008 at 11:13 am

    “This team wants to tout its farm system? Then it’s time for them to embrace it full bore. Call up Melancon to replace Kennedy, move Joba to the rotation, trade Hawkins, and bring back Britton!

    How is McCutchen doing lately?”

    We have a good farm system. Rushing it isn’t a good idea.

    I do think Melancon’s up by the ASB though.

  126. SJ44 May 28th, 2008 at 11:13 am

    When its May 28 and your team is in last place, I don’t think its farfetched to look at the roster and determine its time to make some changes.

    Sure, you can keep the status quo and hope it turns around. That’s another option. May not be the best option but, its certainly an option.

    In fact, I would say if Cashman wants to keep his job, he needs to find a way to fix a dysfunctional roster.

    I can’t imagine him keeping the gig if the team finished in 4th or 5th place. It may hard to keep it if they finish 3rd.

    He certainly had the best of intentions and reasons to put together the roster he did in the off-season. But now, after a 1/3 of the season is in the books, its not working.

    Its not unreasonable to suggest it may be time to begin tweaking it and see if those tweaks can help the team.

  127. Yankees27 May 28th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    Clemens is sending Joba texts now. Great, steroids is next:

  128. Jerkface May 28th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    I want to see Patterson, Britton, and Cox get immediate chances to impact the major league bullpen.

    Also Coco Crisp almost popped out on a bunt attempt in the first inning last night. Where was Cora to coach and mentor him through that ordeal?

  129. randy l. May 28th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    “First base defense is completely overrated, we need a 1st baseman who can hit and scoop balls out of the dirt.”

    a run that scores because of bad first baseman defense is worth less than a run than another position lets in?

  130. longtime (ingnore all yankee fans under the age of 30 May 28th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Even the mighty Yankees have a budget.The Big G contract has killed the Yanks flexibility ( big Stein signing)so putting all the blame on Cash is stupid, you would be surprised who was behind a lot of these signings

  131. pat May 28th, 2008 at 11:17 am

    Some here seem to think that Duncan, Ensberg and Lane are interchangable parts with no one having the edge. If that is true, sending Duncan down and bringing Lane up to see if he can contribute seems more prudent than DFAing Ensberg now. It allows the Yankes to keep all three players under their control until they can find a better alternative.

    Lots of people complaining about the bullpen. The bullpen has looked good for most of this year. Odds of any team getting 7 or 8 innings out of a pen without it being ugly is really small. Most teams closers make it look ugly at least a couple times a week.

  132. randy l. May 28th, 2008 at 11:17 am

    “In fact, I would say if Cashman wants to keep his job, he needs to find a way to fix a dysfunctional roster.”

    double exactly.

  133. William Buckner May 28th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    Isn’t the purpose of a blog to second guess and play GM? I understand that est vets and guys with big money contracts are usually unmoveable and will perform up to or around past performance, but bench players and pen parts are subject to DFA or demotions.

  134. SJ44 May 28th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    Current Yankees underperforming by their contracts:

    Giambi, Cano, Jeter, Cabrera, Damon, Pettitte, Hawkins, Betemit, Ensberg, Duncan. That’s 40% of the roster.

    That’s why they are in last place.

    Nobody is saying bunting ability over the course of 162 games is the be all end all of things.

    Tell ya what though, the inability to lay a bunt last night cost them the game. I’d much rather have Mariano Rivera close out a lead than LeTroy Hawkins.

    That’s just me. I could be wrong.

  135. Jerkface May 28th, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Randy I did not imply that. What I did imply is that the number of potential runs given up by a 1st baseman will be less than at any other position, and this is metered out by sabr stats. It is the easiest position to play, and allows us to have a great offensive bat in a position where poor defense will have a negligible impact on the game.

    Which you don’t agree with, so lets get rid of Jason Giambi and replace him with Andy Phillips.

    Then we’ll lose 7 to 1 instead of 8-7.

  136. bigjf May 28th, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Jerkface, I’m not saying that I’d rather have Molina than Posada, but as a replacement player for all these weeks, Molina has put up some good situational hitting. For a guy that I’m not expecting any offense from, we at least got treated to a surprise here and there, and things could be a lot worse if Molina didn’t step up and rake immediately after Posada went down.

  137. Jerkface May 28th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Jeter is one of the better bunters on the team, but he is injured and it was pouring out. I think we can give the captain a pass on that bunt.

    And I am loathe to even say that.

  138. Jerkface May 28th, 2008 at 11:22 am


    I agree, but I am not sure what your point is in relation to my argument? My argument is that we have had players with no bat that are supposed to have an impact defensively and we still lost because we didn’t score any runs.

    It would be no different with Andy Phillips at 1st or Alex Cora at short.

  139. ellen May 28th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    It really does look like Jeter is playing hurt lately. Is there any info out there? Is it the quad again (still) or the hand or something else?

  140. V May 28th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    Jeter’s been hurt. ARod’s been hurt. Posada’s been hurt.

    Name a major league team that can have injuries to, arguably, three of their most important players and still play > .500 baseball.


  141. pat May 28th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    Anyone know what’s up with Albaledejo? Is he shut down or has he started throwing?

  142. the original SP May 28th, 2008 at 11:25 am

    Horrible defense like last night is infuriating, I agree the Yanks need guys who can play their positions well. But I also remember being frustrating by having Doug Mientkiewicz in the line-up last year. He was great at 1st base, but rarely hit anything.

  143. Kill-Schill(ing) May 28th, 2008 at 11:25 am

    Agreed about Castro, SJ44. Enlighten me about Lane.

    Perhaps, I’m reluctant to give up on Ensberg because I had high hopes for him. He showed streaks of hitting well and then suddenly and inexplicably Girardi would bench him for a spell and when he returned to the lineup, he couldn’t resume his streak. Another problem: the Yankees bench needs to consist of players who have demonstrated they can perform when playing sporadically.

    I also disagreed with you SJ44, respectfully of course, about Giambi. I now wonder whether you’ve changed your mind about him.

    (Another quality about Giambi I’d like trumpet is how he relaxes the players around him. Jeter loves him. He and Damon are close. I also think he’s one of the few Yankees who can speak truth to A-Rod. But SJ44, you know theses guys personally better than I do.)

    A friend of mine handled an ex-Athletics’ divorce, a player who is still very tight with Giambi. Giambi told him, evidently, he hated the Yankees uptight clubhouse until A-Rod arrived. Evidently, they like to go out together and hit the clubs. I hope on off-days but if they hit, I don’t care when they party.

    I also agree with you wholeheartedly about Ollie. Turning him into a long reliever was a major error.

    I’d also like to see Girardi test Veras in more pressure situations before the Yankees decide what to do with him. He gave up the game Monday but he’s been pretty good otherwise. I also think he has more potential than Britton.

    Hawkins was bad move. Any chance the Yankees could trade for Luis Vizcaino, once he gets healthy again, and if the Rockies fall out of the playoff picture. He only has a one-year contract. He at least showed he could pitch in NY.

    Two other names I’ve heard about: (i) Mike Gonzales (is he healthy? would the Braves trade him?) and (ii) Damaso Marte (hasn’t been great for Pittsburgh however)

  144. Jerkface May 28th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    If we need 1st base defense with hitting, prepare to drop 200 mil on texeira

  145. SJ44 May 28th, 2008 at 11:26 am


    Put your Yankee fan beliefs aside for a moment.

    Which team would you like to have play for your life?

    One game, if they win you live and if they lose, you die?

    The 2008 Red Sox or the 2008 Yankees?

    Which team, right now, has the brighter future? Both in their farm system and with their major league roster?

    Doesn’t mean it can’t change. Just talking about the present place of both teams.

    Look I hate the Red Sox. I have everything about that team and that city.

    You are talking to someone who wears Yankee clothes to all of his nephew’s home games at BC just to piss off the folks there. You can’t believe how irate some folks get about that! lol

    That said, the Yankees are playing uphill in retooling their team in comparison to the Red Sox. They are still about a year behind in minor league development and probably 2 yrs (unless the kids grow up faster) in major league development.

    You want to talk about last night re: Crisp? Ok.

    Let me ask you this, who would you rather have as your backup OF right now, Shelley Duncan or Coco Crisp?

    One could argue, given with the rough month Melky has had (and I’m a Melky fan), the Red Sox have TWO CF’s better than the Yankees current CF.

    As Yankee fans, if we had the current Red Sox roster, we would be writing ad nauseum how gritty they are, how tough their AB’s are, etc.

    That’s what the Yankees need to get back to. Hopefully, sooner rather than later.

  146. Bronx May 28th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    Other Yankees under-performing or injured (i.e. not performing) for substantial parts of the season:

    Arod, Posada, Hughes, Kennedy.

    Add that to SJ44′s list and it includes 3/5 starting pitchers and 6/9 starting position players.

    If those guys were performing better, we may not notice so many holes in the bench.

  147. bigjf May 28th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    Jerkface, I agree with you in principle, I’m just arguing where you said “we didn’t exactly win ballgames” with bats like Gonzalez and Molina, where we actually did win at least 1 game due to Molina. Gonzalez hit pretty well at first too. But it goes without saying that we need Posada back and we need him to hit like we’re used to seeing him hit. Maybe not as good as last year, but better than Zaun.

  148. gayle May 28th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    Correct me if I am wrong but where were all these where were all of these where is our bench bashers when the season started.

    Correct me if I am wrong I saw hundreds of posts talking about what an improvement our bench was this season compared to last season. Now as these people are not producing people say our bench has been poorly put together.

    I can agree that it is unreal that we have no long reliever and nolefty but to complain about thebench when most of you were very happy with it coming out of Spring seems like 20/20 hindsight to me. The basic problem is that Duncan, Ensberg, Betemit have not produced thats why our bench stinks.

    The larger problem as I see it moving forward is HUghes and Kennedy and next year. With their injuries there is no way they hit the innings limit THIS year so we will have the same issues with them NEXT year in terms of innings limits which means for sure we need to sign a couple of innings tested pitchers. Who would have thought that this year it seems so far the ONLY pitcher who will reach his innings count is JOba.

  149. yankee lover May 28th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    To V and Raymatic,
    Wannabee GM`s?? Well, I like to try his job for sure. As long as I can have the $$$$ he has and the owners like the Steinbrenners who will stop at nothing to win. Its a tough job, but I`m talking about his performance. In the past he took a bunch of National League pitchers and brought them here without realizing the NL to AL exchange rate and they were all busts. He claims he “building” the farm and his two best farm guys are doing nothing. After 50 games or so, and spring training the party line is we are going to be ok? They are in last place! Only one team in their league has equal resources. He has better tools and is being out GM`d by everyone else. His stance on $$$ and saving it is funny as no team wastes more $$$ on bad players than he has. He can`t even trade his so called 2 “pheenoms” now because their stock has dropped to rock bottom. Igawa? who will take him now? I cant fault him for Pavano as everyone wanted him, but there was a time he could have moved him but he didnt. Last year? Clemens? How did you like that? but that overpayment doesnt count?

  150. SJ44 May 28th, 2008 at 11:33 am


    The Red Sox haven’t had their #2 starter (Schilling) all season. Lowell missed 5 weeks with his thumb injury and is still playing hurt.

    Ortiz’ knee is still bad. Manny is playing with a bad shoulder. Youkilis has a bad back.

    Pedroia has a shoulder that routinely pops out of the socket.

    Every team has injuries. You find ways to win games.

    They aren’t playing .500 ball. They are under .500. If you kick out the Seattle games, they are 8 under .500 for the season. That’s not good.

    I agree, they have done a good job so far staying afloat.

    Its also a tougher league this year. They won’t have the cakewalks they had last year. They also aren’t hitting like they did last night. Meaning, on the rare nights they do hit (like last night) those become must win games.

    But, it also has to be pointed out that several guys who aren’t hurt are underperforming. Some for the entire season.

    Its more than just injuries with this team. Something is missing. I don’t know what it is. A spark, mojo, I don’t know how to quantify it.

    All I know is, Yankee teams of the past find ways to win last night. This team? You just never got the sense (at least I didn’t) they were going to find a way to win that game.

    It may not be something you can quantify but, it doesn’t feel like this is a team that can get over the hump in its present construction.

    I hope I’m wrong and they go on a big run. Nothing will make me happier. I just haven’t seen anything yet that leads me to believe its in them at this time.

  151. SinatraSong May 28th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    DELLIN BETANCES ON DL NOW!?! dont want the huge kid with the 98mph fastball getting hurt again.. he was piling u pstrikeouts.

  152. Jerkface May 28th, 2008 at 11:34 am


    I don’t feel that is correct. Everything seems to be coming up Red Sox lately, but I don’t think they are in any more an advantageous position than us. Of course the Red Sox look like they have a brighter future, they’re winning right now. I don’t think they will necessarily have a brighter future than the Yankees.

    Melky is younger than Crisp and Ellsbury. Ellsbury and Pedroia are being propped up by Fenway Park, where they have over a .200 point swings in OPS while on the road.

    Ortiz is showing signs of possibly losing his ‘hit for average’ tool.

    JD Drew is not living up to his contract or his ability.

    Their young pitchers have struggled. Buccholz struggled. Lester struggled for 3 years before putting it together and he still has trouble with walks and high pitch counts.

    Masterson was struggling in the minors before he got called up and had two very good games but so did Kennedy last season.

    I am just not seeing how the Red Sox are some unstoppable juggernaut.

  153. S.A.-Put Santana in the Mets bullpen. He can be their "8th inning bridge" to Wagner. May 28th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Jeter has not been the same. :(

  154. BNBNN May 28th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    no way thats the real SJ44 talking..

    Schilling is their #2 starter? In waht world are you living. DiceK is their clearcut 2 starter and Schilling is more of a 4 or 5 now so gimme a break..

    The guys you talked abotu are playing HURT.. they are not INJURED.. Theres a HUGE difference there. You think guys on the Yankees aren’t playing hurt right now? But guys who CAN’T play are injured…and missed months at a time. Now Kennedy AND Hughes are on the DL with injuries after pitching hurt.

    Stop pretending to be SJ and find somehting better tod o.

  155. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 28th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    bigjf as much as I rip Jason, he has improved immensely, he now is starting to hit like that Oakland player we paid for, weird huh contract year, pornstache and all (don’t cut it BTW)

    People that think Ben Broussard is the answer, please …LHB worse than Shelley Maas, last night was Betemit’s first game off the DL, the only ball he screwed up on was the one hopper. I again believe he will turn it on once he recognizes the offspeed pitches.

    Meanwhile how is Ryan Freel an option before Bill Hall ? or how about Rich Aurilia. But ehh it could be worse.

  156. Francis The Praying Mantis May 28th, 2008 at 11:40 am

    Ive been in Italy for the past 2 weeks, it was very hard to try and get any information on the yankees while I was there between running around all day and night and the fact that they just dont follow baseball there.

    So…Joba is being groomed to start, A-Rod is back, Rasner is pitching very well and the bullpen is atrocious. Did I miss anything?

  157. yankee lover May 28th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    say what you want about the hated (by me) red sox but you know what? They win. They pound teams. Bad pitching day by one of their starters? no problem, they score 12 runs. I would not be so critical of Cashman if he didnt have the budget and tools. If he had lets say Minnesotas budget and tools and put this team on the field I `d say he did fine for what he is working with. I just think if you have the most resources, tools, you should have at least a team in the top 5? Not a last place team.

  158. SJ44 May 28th, 2008 at 11:42 am


    To me, Lane is like Ensberg. In some ways, they are interchangable. Lane is hitting the ball much better in AAA now.

    The two games I saw him hit, he turned on 95 MPH fastballs and seemed to make much better contact than Ensberg has so far this year.

    Can he help? I don’t know. He’s a “take a flyer on” type of guy.

    With his option coming up, just seems to be a logical move right now.

    Here’s my deal on Giambi. Great guy, like him a lot. He is not good in the clubhouse. He is great in the clubhouse. I like though as a DH. Not as a first baseman.

    JMO but, I don’t think this team can win with him as the everyday first baseman.

    As a first baseman, he’s a nightmare. He can scoop the ball but, EVERY real first baseman can do that. That’s not the determination of one’s defensive skills at the position.

    He can’t throw and has no range. First base defense, something that has been ignored here for years, hurts this team almost weekly. It hurt them again last night.

    How do you expect to develop young pitching while ignoring defense? No idea.

    As a first baseman, he hurts the team. As a DH, if he can sustain this hot streak, he is an asset.

    Unfortunately, the way the team is constructed (that roster construction thing again) he’s at first. That’s not good for the Yankees, IMO.

    BTW, the Yankees are 1-4 in Baltimore this year with 3 of the 4 losses tied into poor play at first base. Giambi, Posada and Betemit, all misplaying balls at first in 3 of the 4 losses in Baltimore this year. It does make a difference.

  159. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 28th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    SJ LAne’s splits doesn’t concern you ?

    195/.313/.512 an OPS of .825 vs LHP

    w/ RISP .226/.353/.491

    behind the count .190/.200/.429 in 63 ABs not exactly screams to me hey I can PH.

  160. DLev May 28th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    The problem with just looking at salaries is that the Yankees don’t really have 200 million to play with. If you take out all the fixed costs — A-Rod, Jeter, Pettite, Damon, Pavano etc., what you’ve got left is about 50 million — and that doesn’t include Rivera and Posada, and even if you argue that they should have been paid less, the savings would have been at most 7 or 8 million. Leaving about 25 million to play with.

    Cashman is certainly responsible for some of the bad fixed costs — Damon, for example, though its hard to tell what kind of pressure he’s under from higher up to sign some of these guys. But over the off season, Cashman had much less flexibility than a 200 million dollar budget should give you. He’s doing the best he can with the extra 25 million, and he’s trying to bring the fixed costs down over the next few years. It’ll be interesting to see, if he’s still around, what he can do when there is much more flexibility. I don’t know if he’ll be great or terrible, but the one thing Cashman has always done really well is survive the Steinbrenner’s. Michael probably is a better talent evaluator, but he couldn’t work with George and I doubt he’d be better with the H’s. As much as most people here admire Epstein, I’d give him about 3 minutes in the Yankees organization before he’d have had enough and quit.

  161. yankee lover May 28th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    Giambi and Damon on not the problems. Its the pitching, as it always is. Did you watch last nights game? During the rain delay they replayed the 98 WS. That Yankee team had Petitte (in his prime) Cone, Wells, El Duque, even Irabu was 13-9 with a 4.06 era. Your bullpen? Mendoza, Lloyd, Nelson, Stanton, Rivera. I dont expect to every see that much talent ever again, but this years version is not even close. not close

  162. bigjf May 28th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    Brandon, I think you’re looking to debate someone other than me. I don’t recall saying any of those guys were better options at this point than Giambi. Hell, I didn’t even invoke the Big G’s name until now.

  163. SJ44 May 28th, 2008 at 11:55 am


    Here’s the way I look at Lane.

    They have an option on him May 31. Ensberg has no role on the team. He isn’t hitting, he doesn’t against lefties, and is a wasted roster spot. You either give him the shot now or lose him.

    I say, give Lane that spot and see if he can help you. If he can’t, you let him go.

    If it doesn’t work out, it would mean they lost Ensberg for him. Not exactly a big loss.

    If he can get hot, a la Duncan a year ago, perhaps he helps you for a few weeks. Something this team needs right now.

    Its more like trying it because they have nothing to lose rather than thinking he’s the answer or anything like that.

  164. TurnTwo May 28th, 2008 at 11:56 am

    FWIW, i actually like Freel a lot. he’s a bulldog, can basically play everywhere in thefield, minus 1B/C, and he’s pesky… can pinch run, can spot start. seems like the perfect utility guy.

    but do i want to trade a valuable piece to get him? not too sure about that… depends on what the Reds would ask for him.

    perhaps if you agree to package him with a contract the Reds want out of, like a Bronson Arroyo or a Ken Griffey Jr, you can have them on the cheap.

    thats not something i’m advocating though, just throwing it out there.

    but personally, i do like Freel better than Bill Hall or Rich Aurilia.

  165. randy l May 28th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    “If he had lets say Minnesotas budget and tools and put this team on the field I `d say he did fine for what he is working with.”

    uh oh.mentioing the twins is risky business on the blog.and whatever you do don’t mention livan hernandez.

  166. Cathy May 28th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    My issue is that even if they get rid of some people, that doesn’t do much to improve this team. Its easy to DFA someone, but who do we replace them with. Everyone says that Broussard may replace Duncan/Ensberg, but he’s a lefty (exactly what the Yanks DON’T need) and not hitting well. I don’t see much out there that gives this team the boost it needs because the problems that we have are within the core. Someone on a message board said it best: Even with ARod and Posada, this lineup couldn’t get past the first round of the playoffs last year. Our starting pitching is shaky and we have no bullpen. If we want to do better, we have to do more than just shift around bench players.

  167. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 28th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    bigjf the 2nd part wasn’t to you I just wanted to write it in one post, I read it since the beginning of this blog.

  168. Peter Rabbit May 28th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Comparing ourselves to the Red Sox bothers me. Every organization has its own problems, personalities, contracts, prospects, and injuries to deal with. There is no one single formula to fix any one team, and I especially hate using the ’08 Red Sox as a reference point.

    Maybe the ’05-’06 Sox, because that might be where our team is at right now. Between this year and next, we finally have opportunity to change up the roster, which is something many have been waiting for since ’04.

    Let’s see what happens.

  169. stuart May 28th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    SJ again the bottom line is the Yankee stars are not producing. as they should and my posts earlier outline that.

    as far as jeter and his injuries, they should not affect him doing a reyes at 2b and not getting a bunt down, that is not injury based..

    the sux are a more enjoyable team to watch then my beloved yanks they are more gritty and tough, but the yanks can change that..again I do not believe the BS that melancon and Cox are not ready now but will be in a month, BS…Melancon will never go more then 2 innings in the Bronx so he is ready now, if you say he will be more ready in a month, maybe but he is ready now.

    they have all this young talent in the minors but always are to conservative and love the VET label.. Again hawkins, ensberg, and others are Vets but they cannot play..
    the only vet who has panned out is Moeller who has been a very effective 3rd catcher.

    Molina cannot hit at all, whoever thinks differently is blind.. The hit against seatlle should have been caught………

    Cassey is a lefty bat with no power who in the past never walks he would have not fit in on the Yanks…Betemit cannot play 3rd, 1B, or SS…He is a pretty good hitter but he is a below avg. fielder at all positions…

    I am all for trading Kyle also(I know it will not happen) because I read the book and know the outcome he will dissappoint it is just when…….

    The yanks will either win there division or the WC because all the other teams are flawed also.

    my dream yankee team this yr.

    SP; ettitte, wang, joba, hughes, and rasner or moose.

    Pen; mariano; and a combo of; edwar, abeledajo, bruney, cox, melancon, veras, and about 7 other minor league guys.. yeah not many proven guys but they have mo, and if melancon, cox, bruney or edwar, can produce they will be fine.

    the same starting 9 with a bench of; molina, betemit, duncan, a utility guy with speed and a OF with some atheleticism.

    they should only have 11 pitchers…….

    if the starters go 6 innings most of the time this team can win a ton of games. if cano is going to hit 220 for the year then they are in trouble..

  170. #9 May 28th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    “You look at the Yankees bench and you see ZERO answers.”

    I think it’s harder to find the quality bench guys today than say 10-15 years ago.

    Teams pay their top super players the mega bucks – and to off set that costs the “players in the middle” i.e. guys that are not quite the superstars but still quality players are not offered contracts as teams rather go to the minors and have a rookie on the bech who gets paid the minimum.

    Just take a look at the Japanese games that are on TV sometimes (I think it’s the TKO channell) – there are tons of former quality major leagers playing over in Japan.

    They’re playing there because MLB teams don’t want to pay them the $$ – they rather give it to the “superstar(s)” on the team.

  171. DLev May 28th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    It’s not clear what the fix is for this team right now, but I doubt there’s any major trade or minor bench part that’s going to help all that much. You can’t take Giambi or Matsui out of the line-up, and as bad as Giambi is in the field, at this point Matsui might be even worse. The biggest fix is a good glove guy to come in as a defensive replacement for Giambi for an inning or two. Andy Phillips sounds just about right. (Poor guy, he does his best to get out a bad Yankee situation and winds up in an even worse one, when he very well might be on the Yankees roster right now if he’d stuck it out.)

    There’s almost nothing you can do about all the other problems. You’re not going to get better players than what the Yankees should have without giving away the farm, which is exactly what got them into this in the first place. Lane vs. Ensberg is simply not going to make a huge difference either way. The bullpen has enough arms here and in the minors to straighten itself out. The starters, with Chamberlain, should have enough arms. Basically, the Yankees have to play better with what they’ve got. If that’s not good enough by the trade deadline, then you start dumping whatever has trade value.

  172. randy l May 28th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    “Here’s the way I look at Lane…
    …I say, give Lane that spot and see if he can help you. If he can’t, you let him go.
    If it doesn’t work out, it would mean they lost Ensberg for him. Not exactly a big loss.
    …Its more like trying it because they have nothing to lose rather than thinking he’s the answer or anything like that.”

    the one thing i would add to that is that players have meetings with themselves. there is a good lane and a bad lane. lane is pretty much the one who decides that. some people think that players come out of the baseball prospectus handbook with specific stats.

    if it worked that way rassner wouldn’t have had four excellent starts in a row. the reason you try someone new is to give that person a chance to rise to the occasion. rassner had that meeting with himself and rose to the occasion.

    the yankees need more of this. ensberg has had all kinds of chances. he showed little. so out he should go. finding good players is very much a search for someone who wants to compete and win now.

    it doesn’t help to have a player going through the motions that used to be good or will be good. a team needs players who are in the present and who are all in. that would not be ensberg. maybe it’s lane. one way to find out.

  173. Wander May 28th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Everyone seems to have soured on Ohlendorf a little too quickly. He had a good inning last night, I think people are jumping a bit too much on him right now.

  174. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 28th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Wander last night was the first night since Cleveland where he pitched like crap. Litterally Latroy Hawkins would have been better (I can’t believe I just said that)

  175. michael May 28th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    i dont understand why giambi continues to get bashed for his defense. how much has it really hurt us? he’s not a gold glover but his defense is such a minor concern right now. the foremost concerns should be:
    a) stabilizing the rotation – hopefully w/ wang, pettite, joba, rasner, hughes (eventually getting muss out of there)
    b) trading a veteran hitter like damon for a great pen guy, while promoting cox and melancon, and dfa’ing hawkins. farnsworth isnt an effective pitcher, period. he’s not the eight inning guy, but we really need to find that guy. and two pitch mr. predictable edwar ramirez isnt the answer.

  176. yankee lover May 28th, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    Be careful asking for national leaguers. I still cant get over Eric Byrnes, an extra outfielder on Oakland and now he is a superstar. Demtri Young released by Detriot next year he is an NL all star. Ecksteins batting average is up 40 points in the NL, Shawn Chacons ERA is down 2.00 in NL, Edgar Rentaria hit 276 at Fenway, now in the NL hes 40 points higher. Randy Winn is up 25 points in NL. Jaosn Kendall is up 35 points in NL. I hope if they grab an NL player they understand the exchange rate

  177. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 28th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    I’m looking at 2 guys Bill Hall in Milwaukee and Aaron Boone, those 2 are the cheapest options that may be available and Ryan Freel is a good thought but I doubt he’s on the market, Jeff Kepinger also is a good option as for the BP patience because our guys will get it going just not Hawkins.

  178. Cathy May 28th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    “Go back and look at the Yankees championship teams. Guys had roles off the bench.”

    There’s a HUGE difference between the bench of then and now. The bench during the Yankees championship years were post-prime veterans that were some of the best players in the majors during their careers. Darryl Strawberry, Cecil Fielder, Tim Raines, David Justice. These weren’t AAA callups – these were prime time players. The only problem in today’s game is that these types of veterans that are out there (i.e. Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds) are plagued by steroids allegations and no team wants the negative atmosphere that comes with signing them.

  179. bigjf May 28th, 2008 at 12:28 pm


    “bigjf as much as I rip Jason, he has improved immensely, he now is starting to hit like that Oakland player we paid for.”

    Seems like that part about Giambi was pointed at me, unless you just like saying my name…Again, I never mentioned anything about Giambi this morning.

  180. ham_fighter May 28th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    our poor defense at 1b HAS hurt us a few times this week. giambi’s throw to third vs. the mariners and in the same game a ball hit no more than 3 feet to his right goes through for a single. last night the same thing with betamit, a ball 4 feet inside the line, he doesnt even come close to which whould have allowed the go-ahead run to score had the ump not blown the call at home (milar was out!)

    anybody who thinks our bad 1B play hasnt or wont hurt us isnt watching whats going on.

    and for those who say 1B isnt an important defensive position, consider that teams are bunching thier LH hitters against us b/c we have no lefties in the pen and opposing managers are keeping a LH bat on the bench for late inning situations. thats why 1B becomes an important defensive position in late game situations.

    1B defense may not be our worst problem, but to let 2 good defensive 1B go in the offseason and replace them with ensberg/betamit is ridiculous.

  181. ham_fighter May 28th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    obviously i meant to say milar was safe.

  182. ham_fighter May 28th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    one more thing, several people have said all this bitching about the bench is hindsight, but thats not true. several ppl on here besides me were outraged when they let both mienkiewicz and phillips go and i was saying all ST that we needed someone on the bench who could pinch run for all our slow-footed players.

  183. Cathy May 28th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Ham_fighter: I wasn’t happy about those guys going either. People talk about how Philips didn’t have any pop, but I remember him being a spark off the bench when the team wasn’t doing well. And Doug Alphabet Soup’s defense at 1B was the best I’d seen in a long time. He couldn’t hit but I’d risk losing an at-bat in exchange for good defense on the other end.

  184. younguns May 28th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Oh how it makes me laugh to hear people here suddenly scream about just how important DEFENSE is at First Base!!

    I remember fondly how the know-it-alls here were spouting about how much more important it was to have an offense-producing player at first & how these same people could not wait to show the door to Andy Philips & his glove last year.

    What we now have is an offensive-minded player at first who can’t hit & who’s always been defensively-challenged. Oh, did I forget that he’s also making $22 million?

    Defense is underrated only until you’re routinely losing without it.

  185. younguns May 28th, 2008 at 2:30 pm


    Defense is overrated only until you’re routinely losing without it.

  186. joeman May 28th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    I hate to say it & I’m a true Key fan but DJ is starting to lose it,not the player he once was

  187. JJJJ May 28th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    Giambi’s D hasn’t been that much of a liability and not the reason for the poor record. His poor start to the year with the BAT was a problem….Cano hitting like Ray Charles is a bigger problem….ARod and Jorge going down taking away all of the right handed power is an even bigger problem….lack of hitting with RISP a bigger problem yet…and the two kids getting smoked every 4th and 5th day is the biggest problem! Let’s face it guys and dolls, there are MANY holes to fix on this team this year.

    In house solutions? Not that many… yet. DFA Ensburg, send Duncan down, send Ross O down, DL Kennedy and trade Hawkins for a new ballgirl. Call up JB Cox, Lane, Gardner and either Geis, Melancon, Robertson or McCutchen. Jorge will be back soon…and hopefully we are still afloat at the trade deadline. We NEED a lefty in the pen….amongst many other components.

  188. Poor Yorick May 28th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    this was a great thread to read through.

    randy and sj good as always, but jerkface articulated a different pov that made the converstion really interesting. is this the same jerkface who posts at nomaas? (can’t be too many guys who choose that handle.) would like to see more of him here, cause this particular conversation would be impossible over there. the place is too dogmatic – it’s the spanish inquisition of yankee boards.

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