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Posada takes another step forward

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 29, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Here’s the latest on Jorge Posada:

He played in an extended spring training game in Tampa against the Blue Jays. He was 1 for 2 with two walks and a GIDP. He caught but did not throw to the bases during the game.

He went through his throwing program before the game. He threw from 90, 120 and 150 feet and then to the bases. Said one observer, “He had a lot of zip on the ball.”

Posada will DH in a game today. On Saturday, he will be cleared to throw to the bases in an extended spring game in St. Petersburg against the Rays. The Rays will be told to run so Posada can test his arm.

Look for him in pinstripes next week, Thursday or Friday.

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250 Responses to “Posada takes another step forward”

  1. Mike from CT May 29th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    That is great news. Maybe the Yankees can get on a run here.

  2. wood is good May 29th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    This is I believe the second time we’ve heard the phrase “had a lot of zip on the ball” regarding Jorge’s throwing during this rehab stint. There very well may be zip on it now. The problem is gonna be come July, August, September, after runners keep on challenging him…

    I hope the zip remains…I hope his shoulder is strong again….

  3. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Huge news. He’s really been missed.

    Sometimes, folks don’t realize how important certain guys are to a team until they are out of the lineup for an extended period of time.

    Arod and Posada showed just how valuable they are to this team by their absences.

    Molina and Moeller have gone WAY beyond their call of duty to man the plate in Jorge’s absence. I think both have done a very good job.

    But, they aren’t Posada. This team needs the fire and passion he brings to the ballpark (as well as his skill of course) every day.

    I just want to make sure he is healthy this time. No rushing him back.

  4. jennifer May 29th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Great news, I cannot wait to see Jorge back!

  5. KG86 May 29th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Great news. Can’t wait to see Posada back in pinstripes!

  6. CB May 29th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Good to hear Posada is feeling well and close to coming back.

    Until he’s back in the line up it’s difficult to know what this offense will be, especially against left handed pitching.

    Posada comes back. Joba to the rotation.

    Hopefully, this team is starting to put the pieces into place to start winning at a much higher rate. The bull pen and bench are still works in progress.

  7. ham_fighter May 29th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    sure hope you’re right and we do see him back soon. i am very worried about how well his shoulder will hold up, though, the last time he came back, they started running wild on him and as soon as he started putting some mustard on it, he hurt it again and went to the d.l.

    i hope they’ve waited long enough this time and that he will be back and really ready to catch.

  8. kd May 29th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    In all seriousness, Posada to the Hall?

    If it’s true that Pudge took ‘roids, how can voters keep him out? I’m really trying to take off my Yankees goggles here, but he has really solid numbers for a catcher. 4 rings doesn’t hurt either

  9. Tseng May 29th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    This is excellent news for the team and for my fantasy team ;)

    Ryan Doumit was a great fill-in but then he got hurt too… I’m pretty sure being on my fantasy team is a curse worse than Madden or SI.

  10. ham_fighter May 29th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    i didnt get to see last nights game. im wondering what joba threw. the last time he pretty much stuck with the fb/slider and im concerned that he isnt going to have any command of his change and curve when the put him in the rotation.

    can someone tell me if he was throwing his secondary pitches last night and how effective they were?

  11. Doreen May 29th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Glad to hear Posada’s making progress. I miss seeing him play every day and I can’t wait until he’s back in the lineup.

    His backups have performed admirably and as CB says, above and beyond, but they’re not Jorge.

    It will be very nice to have the team “whole” again – or at least as whole as a baseball team can ever be.

  12. Steph May 29th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Great news on Posada. If he can nail some runners at the bases when he starts throwing, that’d be perfect. I can’t wait to see him back behind the dish.

    Funny that they need to tell the Rays to run.

  13. V May 29th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    “In all seriousness, Posada to the Hall?

    If it’s true that Pudge took ‘roids, how can voters keep him out? I’m really trying to take off my Yankees goggles here, but he has really solid numbers for a catcher. 4 rings doesn’t hurt either”

    I was recently looking at a ‘HOF?’ article with respect to Piazza (who, btw, is the best catcher by pure value in the history of the game – even his horrid defense doesn’t take away from his offense), and Posada would -already- be the 10th best catcher in the HOF, assuming he retired today.

  14. Steph May 29th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    If Posada plays well for the remainder of his contract, he’ll definitely have to be in consideration for the Hall. Right now, he’s up in the air.

  15. Fran May 29th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Really looking forward to Posada’s return. Then with everybody healthy the line-up can be the same every day.

  16. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Posada is a hall of fame catcher, especially if he puts up respectable numbers over the life of his contract.

    Replacementlevel has taken a few looks at how good Posada is.

  17. berniepaul&tino May 29th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    ham fighter, joba did not throw many of his secondary pitches at all last night.

  18. BNBNN May 29th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

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  19. Steph May 29th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Cole has a very good arm…and he’s been pitching well in the playoffs out here.

  20. Sara May 29th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Pete, will the Rays also be told to crash into Jorge at home plate and break his wrist?? sounds like something they would do.

  21. saucY May 29th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    sara :lol:

  22. ham_fighter May 29th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    thanks bernie, anyone else concearned that they are rushing joba into the rotation way to fast?

    if they start him on monday, he will be throwing over 60 pitches for the first time in over a year (and for the 1st time in the mlb)

    also he hasnt thrown his secondary pitches basically at all since ST and never before in an mlb game. i dont mind them stretching him out at the mlb level, but id like to see them have him throw 75 pitches and mix in the secondary pitches at least once before they start him.

    joba seems tough-as-nails but who knows how it will effect him if he goes out and gets knocked around his first 2 or 3 starts. im worried they’re seeting him up to fail (at least in the beginning) or at least not setting him up for success.

  23. kd May 29th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    I think JoPa has an interesting case. He’s a switch hitter that has carried playoff teams. That grand slam in the world series won’t hurt one bit either.

    I’d love to see him go in one day. Maybe he and Mo can go in together

  24. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    Ham_Fighter:

    Chamberlain has thrown many curve balls this season and a few last season. He also thrown a couple changes.

    He just doesn’t feature either of them in any given relief appearance.

  25. CB May 29th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    I don’t know if Cole is going to fall to the yankees anymore.

    He’s really picked it up and was per BA supposedly hit 101 mph on the gun.

    If he’s really throwing close to that hard, no matter how immature or bad his make up is, I don’t know if he’s going to reach #28.

    Unfortunately, this may be a year where there are no high ceiling prospects on the board when the yankees pick.

    I wonder if Pat M has seen Cole pitch… he’s usually great with Southern Cal high schoolers.

  26. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Joba threw 28 pitches last night. 19 fastballs, 8 sliders, and 1 curveball.

    The game situation was such that it wasn’t feasible for him to throw his secondary pitches.

    As far as his secondary pitches, if Joba is going to throw 75 pitches in an outing, his breakdown will be heavy with fastballs and sliders.

    He may throw a total of 10 curveballs and sliders out of 75 pitches. The rest will be fastballs and sliders.

  27. AlbanyYankee May 29th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Did you guys know that Bill Murray is a co-owner of the Charleston River Dogs? Pretty cool.

  28. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    nah I’m hoping for Kyle Long or Christian Friedrich what I wish for is Brett DeVall …ohh would that make me happy..so happy…extremely happy ..very outstandingly happy :)

  29. ham_fighter May 29th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    jerkface, ive seen all his other outings and he hasnt used his curve in any important situations. and i dont believe ive ever seen him throw it for a strike.

  30. Steph May 29th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Right now, the Yankees don’t have a whole lot of options but to use Joba in the rotation. There’s nothing really in AAA…they’re going to need to bring up another pitcher to eat innings that he’s not able to take. It’s hard to get as many pitches as they need him to make out of the pen, but he needs to be stretched out somehow. The Yanks can’t really afford to lose him for a bit to the minors.

  31. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Struck out Pedroia and JD Drew on curves last season. Started off a bunch of ABs with curve ball strike this season.

  32. Steph May 29th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Who’s Bill Murray?

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  34. Steph May 29th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    The report that I read on his playoff game said that he did touch the 100s several times and was consistently in the mid-90s. His team was knocked out of the playoffs, though. He gave up an unearned run, and they got shut out 1-0.

  35. saucY May 29th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Steph re: bill murray
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  36. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    “Who’s Bill Murray?”

    Bill Murray

  37. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Chamberlain has thrown 29 curves this season, and a bout 5 changes.

    he throws 67% fastball, 25% slider, 7% curve, 1% change.

  38. ham_fighter May 29th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    i do remember him throwing more curveballs last year but that wasnt suprising since he had been a starter for more than half the year.

  39. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Thats also a perfectly fine distribution for a starting pitcher with 4 great pitches. And the curve and change will get used more as needed.

  40. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    ham_fighter: He threw less curve balls last year

  41. CaptainsCorner May 29th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Yeah tell the rabbit Rays to run and he will have to throw to every base 100 times.

  42. ham_fighter May 29th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    im just concearned that they are just assuming joba’s bulletproof and nothing’s gonna bother him and he’ll be fine. im very much in favor of what they’re doing with him in the big picture, but i’m worried that he’s not really ready to start and if he fails its gonna create a much bigger firestorm than moving him has already created.

    in the long run, i have a ton of confidence that he’s gonna be great. id just hate to see him start off bad and have to deal with all the noise that would create.

  43. BNBNN May 29th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    CB.. do you have a link or quote about Cole hitting triple digits on the Radar gun?

  44. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Why are you worried? Joba dominated every level of the minors. If he wasn’t put in the bullpen, he woulda been called up by now anyways.

    He has started for his entire pitching career, he will be fine.

    What makes you think that they have any disregard for Joba’s feelings? Every statement has talked about how they have talked to Joba about how he is feeling every step of the way.

  45. CB May 29th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    “id just hate to see him start off bad and have to deal with all the noise that would create.”

    There is inevitably going to be a ton of noise. So many people in the media have been so vociferous about him needing to stay in the pen that they aren’t going to back track even if his performance as a starter is terrific.

    He’s never going to pitch to a 0.38 era as a starter so there are always going to be people who say he’s “not as good” as a starter.

    He’ll have to win 20 games or a Cy Young before the criticism and second guessing stops.

    It’s not too early to start him. He’s never going to get to use his curve and change out of the pen. It’s just not going to happen in high leverage situations.

    The purpose of extending the number of pitches he throws has been to build arm strength – not to let him develop his curve and change.

    It’s time to bite the bullet and give him a start.

  46. Cam May 29th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

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  47. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    sounds like FATBOY was challenging Keith Hernanadez and Ron Darling to debate him about baseball IQ, will they step up to the challenge :lol:

  48. Fredo Corleone May 29th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    “I was recently looking at a ‘HOF?’ article with respect to Piazza (who, btw, is the best catcher by pure value in the history of the game – even his horrid defense doesn’t take away from his offense), and Posada would -already- be the 10th best catcher in the HOF, assuming he retired today.”

    Before you kill Piazza’s defense, let’s acknowledge off the bat that Posada’s defensive skills are light years from HOF level (he couldn’t even be a stunt double for a “Catching Molina” and that he’d be going exclusively for his bat.

  49. CB May 29th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Link to cole hitting 101:

    “Cole’s got baggage (lack of maturity on the mound, tough signability), but he’s also got the biggest arm in the draft class, reportedly touching 101 mph in a playoff appearance last week.”

    I don’t know if I believe a high schooler his size could hit 101 but that’s what BA’s says the reports were. Could be a funny radar gun. But he does throw in the mid 90′s.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....66183.html

  50. Nick in SF May 29th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    I’m lucky, I drafted both Arod and Posada for my extended spring training fantasy league. I’m winning!

  51. Steph May 29th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    CB-

    We got the same report on Cole out here in some of our newspapers. I think that was in his game against Norco. He supposedly hit the 100s several times. The rest of the time, he was sitting in the mid-90s.

  52. JRVJ May 29th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    According to the Gameday, Joba threw 3 curveballs yesterday: one against Huff, one against Hernández and one against Payton, all in the 8th inning.

    http://tinyurl.com/5gnx8g

    He only threw 1 slider in the 8th (to Hernández), and 4 in the 7th (1 to Markakis and 3 to Millar).

  53. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    also I doubt Cole falls to NY too many potential money players, Walker Kelly a LHP from Texas is another interesting guy in the late rounds.

  54. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Meant to say curveballs and changeups. Bitten by the lack of an editing button again.

    While fans may get whipped up into a frenzy over what guys like Francesa and the media have to say, it has no bearing on what the Yankees will do with Joba.

    If it did, he would stay in the bullpen.

    Its time for him to start. Now. Not next month, next year, or in 2010. Now.

    He has the best arm on the staff. No team in baseball puts their best arm on the staff in the bullpen. Nobody.

    As great as Mariano is, and he is GREAT, his arm is not as good as Joba’s.

    I watched 9 of his minor league starts. Some with scout friends of mine. They were laughing in how good he was.

    He was DOMINANT. No, it wasn’t against Manhattan College but he somehow dominated professional hitters in just about every minor league start. No small feat.

    Three plus pitches. Fastball, slider and curveball. His changeup (taught to him by McCutchen)? Still a work in progress but an effective pitch.

    He has enough to be a successful starter now.

    Will he dominate in every start? Of course not. Neither does Josh Beckett.

    However, he’s more valuable to the team giving them 6+ innings a start two days a week than he is sitting in the 8th inning.

  55. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    I think Gameday missed the pitches to Payton and Hernandez. I think those were sliders.

    The pitch to Huff was definitely a curveball.

    Re: the draft, if Josh Fields from Georgia drops, that’s the guy I’d like to see the Yankees select.

  56. mark May 29th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    great news there… he will surely help the club out.

    Pete, you didnt mention if he has to undergo any MRI/Xrays to take a closer look and make sure everything looks the way it should in there. unless its not just not needed with what Jorge had?

    regrdless – great to have him back

  57. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    SJ I charted them last night

    20 fastballs 5 sliders and 3 curveballs in live action

    his fastball sat 95-99 mph, his slider 86-90 mph, his curveball was 79, 86 and 84 mph

  58. Alan May 29th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Teams are not openly discussing trades at this stage of the season but as June moves toward July they’ll be some buzz.
    Seattle may be the only AL team looking to move players but NL teams such as San Diego, ‘Frisco, Colorado, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Milwaukee could be listeners.

  59. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 29th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    “While fans may get whipped up into a frenzy over what guys like Francesa and the media have to say, it has no bearing on what the Yankees will do with Joba.”

    But if Joba wanted to stay in the pen, apparently he would have…

    From Newsday.com:

    http://tinyurl.com/592bds

  60. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 29th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    “However, he’s more valuable to the team giving them 6+ innings a start two days a week than he is sitting in the 8th inning.”

    With all due respect, we have to see the outcome of the games the rest of the season to know which role was the more valuable to the team…

    I happen to think he’s more valuable in the bullpen, while many here think he’s more valuable in the front end…I’m sticking with my assessment until I see someone step up in the bullpen…

    And provided of course Joba is at least competitive as a starter…

    I’m not one of those who will criticize the move if he’s not lights out at the inception…many great pitchers had inauspicious beginnings…I would urge patience-especially for a talent like Joba…

    However, if the bullpen collapses because of this move, that would be an unfortunate, and you couldn’t argue an unforseen development…

    That has alwasy been my main concern with this transition…

    At the end of the season when we look back at how many games Joba won or gave us the chance to win vs. how many leads we lost in the latter innings where he might have made the difference-only then will we know the true value of this move…

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