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Sheppard hopes for July 1 return

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 29, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Received an e-mail this morning from Mike Hayes, who conducted an interview with Bob Sheppard for his web site, Busted Halo.

Check out the interview here. Mr. Sheppard, 97, is hoping to return in July and announce the All-Star Game.

His long-term goal is to do the first game at the new Stadium.

Yankee Stadium really hasn’t been the same without him. Here’s hoping he gets well soon and gets back to the press box.

 
 

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288 Responses to “Sheppard hopes for July 1 return”

  1. Jeff May 29th, 2008 at 5:53 am

    Amen.

  2. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 29th, 2008 at 7:24 am

    Great Post again, Pete. This is great ! ;-)

  3. Sam May 29th, 2008 at 7:28 am

    i hope when i’m 97 i have “long-term goals”. on second thought, maybe not.

  4. Skisan May 29th, 2008 at 7:35 am

    Why don’t the Yankees use technology to have Sheppard do the games? Right now, it would be easy, as they have recordings of him announcing almost every player. When new players come up, they can use software to re-create his voice. Beats what they currently have.

  5. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 8:04 am

    We can rebuild him. We have the technology.

  6. Cor Shep May 29th, 2008 at 8:06 am

    haha jerkface. i wish i was going to the all-star game!! Actually maybe not with 5 red sux starters at the moment..

  7. Kevin May 29th, 2008 at 8:10 am

    I certainly hope Bob gets better and returns soon. The stadium certainly does not have its same feel without him and I dread the day when he dies as that will be a very sad day for the Yankee family and Yankee fans as he has been the staple of that Stadium for many years.

  8. sunny615 May 29th, 2008 at 8:29 am

    Good luck to him.

  9. 108 stitches May 29th, 2008 at 8:31 am

    Even if Bob Sheppard announced the Opening Day lineups at the new Stadium then retired, he would put his stamp on the audio system forever…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Sheppard

  10. jennifer May 29th, 2008 at 8:33 am

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/05.....112831.htm

    Does this guy take people for fools?

  11. randy l May 29th, 2008 at 8:37 am

    White Sox December 3: Acquired outfielder Carlos Quentin from the Arizona Diamondbacks for first baseman Chris Carter

    .296 14 47 .402 .587

    nice trade for the white sox

    how did they do that? are trades still legal?

  12. jennifer May 29th, 2008 at 8:39 am

    Yankees relievers hold meeting
    by Ed Price
    May 28, 2008, 6:05 PM

    The struggling Yankees bullpen met as a group before batting practice, apparently at the behest of closer Mariano Rivera.

    Manager Joe Girardi, who lent his office at Camden Yards to the pitchers, deferred comment to Rivera.

    “He’s always a great leader,” Girardi said.

    Asked about the session, which lasted at least 25 minutes, Rivera at first played coy. Then he acknowledged the meeting, saying only, “That’s our thing.”

    Yankees relievers allowed 11 runs in 9 1/3 innings in the first two games of the series. Kyle Farnsworth, LaTroy Hawkins, Jose Veras and Ross Ohlendorf all have an ERA of 4.50 or higher.

  13. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 8:44 am

    Carlos Quentin 2007:

    .214 .298 .349 in a significant number of ABs

    Thats also an offseason trade, not sure how many people.

  14. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 8:45 am

    Didn’t finish, Not sure how many people are going to be trading us impact players without it costing a ton.

  15. Rocco May 29th, 2008 at 8:46 am

    I met the caveman last night….

    http://img260.imageshack.us/im.....manzi8.jpg

  16. Austin May 29th, 2008 at 8:51 am

    Does anyone else think its annoying how Jim Hall tries to sound like Bob Shepard?

  17. Joe from Long Island May 29th, 2008 at 8:53 am

    Some thoughts –

    1. Nice win last night, though any win is nice.

    2. Interesting, that piece by Ed Price, referenced by Jennifer at 8:39, above. Mo really seems to be the respected man out there in the pen, and was possibly doing some group therapy for a group of relievers that is having a rough patch. I still think (hope?) that Kyle’s and LaTroy’s days in pinstripes is numbered, but they’re still on the team and we need them to contribute. Veras and Ollie also have good futures, potentially, and need to get straightened out a bit.

    3. Also interesting is the bit in Newsday’s story this morning that implies that even Cash is perplexed as to why Britton hasn’t pitched more. This may change.

    4. I will come out and say that I was mistaken about Jason Giambi being washed up as a hitter. Thank goodness, I was wrong. I don’t know how things will continue, obviously, but as a fan, I’m happy that the professionals know more about this than I do.

  18. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 8:55 am

    Not only an off-season trade but one in which you have to give credit to scouting.

    Most people in AZ felt Quentin was underachieving. Perhaps he was.

    But, that’s where scouting comes in. If you have good scouting, and you listen to your scouts (also VERY important), you have a chance to pull off good deals.

    Also, teams that deal can’t be looking to screw the other team.

    Chris Carter is a very nice prospect. That’s a deal that can help both teams.

    Kenny Williams also traded for Nick Swisher and used Gio Hernandez (his best pitching prospect and a lefty to boot) as bait.

    That one that doesn’t look so great right now but, it shows a willingness to deal.

    Too many GM’s today are just looking to screw the other guy rather than make deals.

    Asking for Austin Jackson or Jose Tabata, as well as others, for Damaso Marte is just dumb. You don’t make deals, your team suffers, and you end up on the unemployment line.

    Or, in the case of Jim Bowden in Washington, you are just like at by your peers.

    Sort of like Steve Phillips is today.

  19. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 9:09 am

    **laughed at** by your peers.

    I need an edit button! lol

  20. V May 29th, 2008 at 9:20 am

    “Too many GM’s today are just looking to screw the other guy rather than make deals.”

    Totally agreed.

    And most fans are surprised that their GM can’t screw the other teams.

    Though, I was -very- P/o’ed when Cashman dealt Haren+Barton+Calero for Mulder. Blegh.

  21. V May 29th, 2008 at 9:21 am

    LOL, not Cashman, Jocketty.

    Too early in the morning ;-)

  22. ham_fighter May 29th, 2008 at 9:25 am

    how about this offseason we find a good fielding/decent hitting first baseman who costs less than $10M and sign giambi to be the dh for say 2yrs, $12M?

    as long as we have a real 1Bman and someone who can dh from the right side, we could avoid signing a $100M+ contract and use giambi the way he should be used, as a DH.

    iv been critical of giambi’s defense and his unwillingness to hit against the shift, but using him this way and having another alternative at dh for when he slumps could be the way to avoid signing another mega contract that they will regret later.

    and lets face it, giambi is very popular in the clubhouse and keeps the team loose.

  23. randy l May 29th, 2008 at 9:25 am

    hughes and kennedy 15 starts
    three yankee wins
    3 starts of 6 innings

    livan hernandez 10 starts
    7 twin victories
    8 starts of 6 innings

    the innings is what’s most important because of what it does for the bull pen.

  24. Rishi May 29th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    Interesting article about Willie and Omar (including the fact that Araton basically calls out Ian O’Connor for the whole ‘race’ thing saying that he highly doubts Willie was venting and that he may have thought of Ian more as a friend…which he was not):
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05.....f=baseball

  25. ham_fighter May 29th, 2008 at 9:40 am

    willie has been one of my favorite ny sports people for 30+ years, but if he thought that a journalist who had a running recorder going was just chatting as a friend, then that brings into question his ablility to deal with the ny media. so does his assertion, which he later appologized for, that sny was showing him in a bad light, as well as his belief that isiah and herm got treated lousy b/c they’re black.

    dealing with the ny media is one of the biggest aspects of the manager’s job here, and unfortunatly, willie is failing at it.

    im hoping that the mets rally just enough to keep willie’s job, b/c i think he can be a good manager, but when you combine these serious misjudgements with the collapse and add in this year’s listless play and clubhouse timult, it reflects very badly on willie.

  26. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Livan Hernandez 85 ERA+ , 1.5 WHIP 9 HR allowed 24 K’s in 76 IP

    Randy what exactly is your point with all these things you are posting??

  27. raymagnetic ®™ May 29th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    “Randy what exactly is your point with all these things you are posting??”

    He feels that Cashman should have signed Livan Hernandez as a back up plan.

    I keep trying to explain to him that one of Cashman’s backup plans (Rasner) is pitching much better than Livan for millions dollars less.

  28. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    Randy,

    Here’s the problem.

    In the off-season, if you believe Hughes and Kennedy are ready (which the Yankees believed) then signing a guy like Livan Hernandez for 5 million dollars isn’t feasible.

    Mainly because, if you sign him for that kind of money, he’s not a 6th starter, he’s in the rotation.

    That means either Hughes or Kennedy end up in AAA. That’s not what they wanted. In hindsight, one can argue they misread their readiness to be contributors at the major league level. But, at the time you are making the decisions (the winter), you had Kennedy pitching well in September and Hughes, not only was 3-0 in September, but got their only post-season win.

    That’s the economic reality of baseball. Even with the Yankees. Teams don’t have 5 million dollar pitchers in reserve.

    Guys like Karstens and Rasner were their early fallback guys in case one of the kids struggled early. Joba was always going to be in the plans for joining the rotation by Mid-June or July.

    Joba is the ideal fallback guy.

    Who would you rather have in the rotation right now, Livan Hernandez at 5 million dollars or Joba Chamberlain at 500K?

    I don’t disagree with the concept of having a veteran in waiting. Just not at 5 million dollars because that makes him a starter in the rotation right out of the gate.

    One last point to the Mike Francesa fans who believe him when they say they “lost the game the other night because Joba wasn’t in the bullpen”.

    Tuesday night was the first game the Yankees lost when they had 2 4 run leads in a game since 1939.

    Forget Joba not being in the bullpen for the loss. If he was the starter the other night, that’s an 8-0 game after 4 and they coast to a win.

    The lost the game because Joba was not STARTING.

    Something that guys like Francesa aren’t able to comprehend.

  29. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    I don’t know why Cashman didn’t sign 10 back up plans for the back up plan to the original back up plans! WHAT IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG?!?!?!

  30. Mitch May 29th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    No offense, Randy, because I really don’t mean to single you out, but when people pine on these boards for the Yanks to acquire mediocre starters to “eat innings,” all I can think of is that these “innings eaters” are the types to get lit up in big games against good lineups (like the Red Sox). So, if we did sign a guy like that, the second time (I’m giving posters the benefit of the doubt that they’d let one bad start go) the Hernandez/Loshe type guy got bombed in a big game, the boards would be flooded with “DFA the guy” posts.

    The bottom line is, you want good starters. Either you konw they’re good (Wang, Pettitte) or you hope they’ll be good (Hughes, Kennedy). That’s fine. But I don’t think a contending team needs to be bringing in pitchers they know aren’t good, just to “eat innings.” Sure, it may buy you a win here and there agains the Royals and Orioles of the world, but it also keeps you from knowing what you have in the kids.

    That’s just my view on pitching. I’d rather take some lumps with a young guy who might be good rather than turn over a valuable roster spot to someone I know is barely average.

  31. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    I’m not African American.

    Here’s the problem I have with white columnists ripping Willie Randolph.

    They have no idea what’s its like to be African American.

    They also have no idea what’s its like to be African American in a sport in which they are the CLEAR minority.

    On the field, in the front office and in ownership.

    So, if Willie feels that way, how can you rip him?

    Were these columnists ever exposed to the stuff Willie has been exposed to in his over 30 years in the game? No.

    Instead of just circling the wagons in an attempt to protect their own in the media, or commenting on issues they have never faced in their own lives (racism) perhaps they should just try and see things threw Willie’s eyes.

    Doesn’t make Willie right or wrong in what he said. Just take a step back and see how Willie may view certain things.

    IMO, it would give them a better perspective of where Willie was coming from with his remarks.

  32. DMan May 29th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    I get the feeling behind calling for the Yankees to go sign random people and make trades and such…

    When things aren’t clicking, almost every other options sounds like it would be better.

    Truth is though, it ussualy isn’t.

    The Yankees are a good team, with the ability to win a lot of games.

    There are a few minor changes that should happen in the bullpen, but overall this is a very strong team.

  33. ham_fighter May 29th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    sj

    it was unreasonalbe to expect that both kennedy and hughes were both going to be effective AND that pettitte and moose and wang were all going to be healthy and effectvie all season AND that rasner and karstens were going to be healthy and effective enough to fill the rest of the gaps.

    thats some very high expectations.

    remember when SI had the picture of the 6 starters on the preseason cover a few years ago and they basically ended up desparate for pitching by the asb? i do, and i expect that cash does too.

    it may be a rebuilding year but that doesnt excuse the way cash left this roster high and dry for this season.

    see raymagnetic, i dont just post that on days after a loss.

  34. Drew May 29th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    Wow, what a great interview. It really brought a smile to my face :) Thanks for letting us know about it Pete.

  35. DMan May 29th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    I hear what you’re saying ham_fighter but…

    Cashman planned to have Wang, Pettitte, Moose, Kennedy and Hughes as the starting 5.

    Then had 2 backups ready in Karstens and Rasner.

    Signed 31 year old Dan Giese to pitch in AAA.

    And knew that he planned to have Joba in the rotation by July.

    To me, thats being prepared. 5 starters and ready backups, with Joba coming a few months into the season…

    I don’t think he really left the team high in dry in that department…

  36. randy l May 29th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    raymagnetic/jerkface-

    just putting out some different scenarios of ways to build teams.

    there are other low cost ways to get wins than just going with home grown. pettitte if he gets 17 wins will be paid about 1 million per win. hernandez even if he doesn’t pitch another inning will be less than a million per win.

    rasner is 27 years old. he’s a seasoned pro who paid his dues. what’s not to like about rasner? he’s not home grown either. nice acquisition.

    the yankees seem like they went from one extreme to another where they don’t use all the options open to them that other teams use.

    and it’s hurting them.

  37. Joe from Long Island May 29th, 2008 at 10:01 am

    I think “innings eater” is one of the most overused/misused phrases out there. Kei Igawa is an innings eater. They won’t be very good innings, but he’ll take the ball. However, if you’re talking about being a contending club, then the quality of those innings does matter. As we’ve seen, being down 4-5-6 runs in the middle of the game isn’t fun. Wang, Pettitte, Santana (not to start that discussion again, just making a point here) – those are the types of “innings eaters” that make a difference.

  38. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 10:02 am

    Anybody who doesn’t think ESPN has an Anti-Yankee slant, needs to explain the following to me:

    Their SportsNation Poll of the Day….

    Who will be the first manager fired? The choices:

    John McLaren-Seattle
    Ned Yost-Milwaukee
    Willie Randolph-Mets
    Joe Girardi-Yankees

    Now tell me, how in the world is Joe Girardi on that list?

    I guess being 3 games behind the Red Sox in the loss column in MAY is a fireable offense to the boys in Bristol?

    How ’bout Jim Leyland? He doesn’t make the list? The Tigers are in even worse shape than the Yankees.

    I don’t think Leyland should be on the list but, you get my point.

    ESPN has become joke. Its like a bad Saturday Night Live sketch.

    That’s embarrassing to have that poll online today. Especially when all the Red Sox fans will vote for Girardi and it will be a topic of the day on Sportscenter.

    They should just all wear Red Sox uniforms instead of suits and be done with it. It would be their first step back to reality in 10 years.

  39. V May 29th, 2008 at 10:07 am

    “there are other low cost ways to get wins than just going with home grown. pettitte if he gets 17 wins will be paid about 1 million per win. hernandez even if he doesn’t pitch another inning will be less than a million per win.”

    You don’t evaluate the success of a pitcher by the number of wins he gets.

    You don’t.

    Pitcher X pitches 8 innings of 1 run ball in 20 straight starts, and gets 5 wins out of it. Pitcher Y pitches 5 innings of 4 run ball in 20 straight starts and gets 10 wins out of it. Who is worth more per start?

    $s per win is a ridiculous way to look at things.

  40. Todd Drew May 29th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    SJ44,
    Your post on Willie Randolph was your best ever. And that’s saying something.

  41. Joe from Long Island May 29th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    ESPN isn’t interested in objectivity, they’re interested in creating a stir, a buzz, to always be the center of attention in the sports world. And, as we’ve just seen again, they’re good at it.

    Getting the juices flowing, much like talk radio, is the priority.

    Take it for what it’s worth.

  42. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    Ham_Fighter:

    If you go into a season expecting Starts 1-7 to all suck or get hurt, well… I don’t know what to tell you. No GM goes into a season believing that. No one plans for that.

    Thats what the minor league system is for.

  43. sunny615 May 29th, 2008 at 10:11 am

    Here’s a link to MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo top 30 picks mock draft:

    MLB.com’s top 30 mock draft link

    Mayo sees the Rangers at #11 and the Yankees at #28 as possibilities for Boras advisee Gerrit Cole. MiLB.com has compared Cole to Kyle Farnsworth. Baseball America suggested Cole could slip to the Cubs at #19 or the D’Backs at #26.

    Is this a good pick? According to MiLB scouts, Cole projects as another Farnsowrth… Is that good or bad?

  44. Mitch May 29th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    SJ,

    So, so true (about the Sox bias at ESPN). Their “personalities” regularly admit to hating the Yanks. Gammons is a Boston guy, Olney’s from New Hampshire. It’s terrible. I like them, don’t get me wrong, but they are clearly anti-Yankees in the their comments.

  45. ray (sox fan) May 29th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    SJ

    I have to admit as a Sox fan that ESPN seems to have a Sox bias.

    Actually I think we all have certain lenses that color our perspectives.

    I always enjoy your posts, and at the same time I think you have your own biases.

    When the Sox acquired Colon you made a big deal about how his fast ball was in the low 80′s and your words were that it “would be a miracle” if he had 4 quality starts this year.

    Right now his fast ball is topping over 96 mph and his ERA is 2.25 and has won both of his starts. Granted he had has not reached his four quality starts yet, but I would be willing to be he exceeds that number this year.

  46. William Buckner May 29th, 2008 at 10:16 am

    Seriously.
    Joe Girardi, year one in a three year deal, with a .500 record.
    How about Leyland, Bud Black, Bruce Bocchi, Ron Washington, Trey Hillman, Eric Wedge, or Joe Torre?
    I wish ESPN didn’t have a monopoly. Could they find worse analysts for BBTN? Steve Phillips, John Kruck, Eric Young? Really?
    The best guy they had was Harold Reynolds and they ran him up a pole. Dont even get me started on Peter Gammons. He reports from the Cape on all things Red Sox.

  47. bigjf May 29th, 2008 at 10:23 am

    Pete,

    When Mr. Sheppard returns, do you think he would do an interview for the blog? That’s one guy who could provide some fantastic stories. You don’t even have to ask him a question, just let him talk.

  48. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 10:24 am

    Yes, Colon has gotten his velocity back to the 90′s.

    He’s also faced the Royals and Mariners, currently the two worst teams in the AL, in his starts.

    He’s throwing mostly fastballs in both his starts.

    Perhaps the Red Sox found a “gem”.

    Or, perhaps he’s just beating poor teams right now.

    Let’s see how it plays out over time. Especially if his role increases when they put Dice-K on the DL.

  49. pat May 29th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    I’m listening to ESPN2 First Take Show and they just had a tease for an upcoming segment that said Derek Jeter is known for being one of the worst rated defensive shortstop. Stay tuned to find out what the NY Yankees are doing to address that?

    Any guesses on what the answer is before they air it?

  50. j May 29th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    Peter Gammons, ESPN’s lead baseball analyst, was in the running for President of Red Sox Nation. No bias! We swear!

  51. Kill-Schill(ing) May 29th, 2008 at 10:27 am

    Any chance the Yankees can trade with Atlanta for Mike Gonzales?

    He supposedly returns to the club at the end of the week.

  52. Mitch May 29th, 2008 at 10:27 am

    And, William Buckner, don’t forget Joe Morgan, who manages to be not only the worst baseball analyst in baseball history, but also a notorious Yankee hater.

  53. Todd Drew May 29th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    SJ44,
    I have a question for you: Do you think the Yankees view Humberto Sanchez strictly as a reliever now or could he compete for a spot in the rotation down the road?

  54. Doreen May 29th, 2008 at 10:31 am

    So, I just came in from my car, where I was listening to the replay of XM’s morning baseball program with Mark Patrick & Buck Martinez, and they’re discussing the Yankees.

    Patrick asks Martinez if he has a feel for the Yankees this season. And then the discussion takes off to say that “no, because this isn’t the Yankees,” and proof of that last night when they took Pettitte out of the game under vaguely strange circumstances, so they could stretch Joba out, and then they began to speculate that perhaps there is unrest and unhappiness in the Yankees clubhouse because everything is centering around Joba Chamberlain and perhaps not everyone is on board with this, and clearly Andy Pettitte was not happy about it, and wasn’t it interesting how all the infielders gathered around Pettitte when Girardi came to take him out and how Robinson Cano snuck a peak at Pettitte’s face to see his reaction to being taken out.

    Whew. So, obviously, I’m not in the clubhouse, so I’ll ask Pete, do you think there’s unrest and unhappiness in the Yankees clubhouse because of Joba? I would certainly agree that Pettitte didn’t want to leave the game last night when he did, that he wanted to complete the inning. But he only got cut off, arguably, by one out, and Joba did not pitch 4 innings, just an inning and a half, and the game pretty much went on like a regular Pettitte-to-Joba-to-Mo game.

    Anyone have any thoughts about this new wrinkle? And are people (general media) just in seventh heaven because the Yankees are a great team to beat when they’re “down?”

  55. yankee lover May 29th, 2008 at 10:34 am

    I always doubted Ian O`Conners credability since he was fired for plagarizing (sorry about misspell) so he he got his “big” story at Willies expense.
    Nick Swisher is an average player no more than that. Regarding Livan, yes, agree he`d get bashed by better lineups but, he`d beat the average to weaker teams and take pressure off the pen as Kennedy couldnt give us innings against weak teams. Yankees scouting of other major league players is not so hot, when was the last time they picked someone up that was not an obvious star that worked out? Betitmet? only one I could think of was Molina. Joba should have finished the game last night seeing that Mo pitched two innings the night before. Does Cashman stand pat with this starting pitching and pen?

  56. Rishi May 29th, 2008 at 10:35 am

    I believe Joe said Andy was coming out before Mora (regardless of the situation) because he’s had a lot of success against him. Might just be a little bit of “pot stirring” going on.

    Andy also said he would have fought Joba if the thought they were taking him out to get Joba his pitches in (he was joking, but you get the drift).

    Finally, if the priority had been Joba, Mo would not have been in there to close the game (esp with the “he pitched two innings last night” excuse waiting in the wings).

  57. yankee lover May 29th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Pettitte has nothing to say. First of all going into last night he is not even a .500 pitcher. Second, it was the 7th inning so it was time to pull him anyway. I`m all for showing respect but they cant worry about that when they are in last place. They need to get joba ready and thats that. maybe if Petitte wasnt in Washington during spring training he`d be ready? whose fault was that?

  58. Joe from Long Island May 29th, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Doreen, it was a one run game at the time, and Mora, who had beaten Andy silly thus far in the game, including a 2-run HR, was due up. Despite the thoughts that they were going to stretch out Joba, it looked like what they had always done. And many times, the infielders will gather around the mound during a pitching change. I didn’t take anything away from it.

    Oh, and Andy’s post-game interview seemed like he was kidding about fighting Joba.

  59. V May 29th, 2008 at 10:53 am

    “Yankees scouting of other major league players is not so hot, when was the last time they picked someone up that was not an obvious star that worked out? Betitmet?”

    Um, this is uncommon for -any- team.

    You can’t, in general, rip off your competitors -unless- they’re looking strictly for salary relief.

  60. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 10:56 am

    Chacon? Rasner? Molina?

  61. Russell NY May 29th, 2008 at 10:56 am

    “Why don’t the Yankees use technology to have Sheppard do the games? Right now, it would be easy, as they have recordings of him announcing almost every player. When new players come up, they can use software to re-create his voice. Beats what they currently have.”

    Might as well take in-game commentary from Xbox 360 MLB 2k8. This way we can have the simulated voice of Bob Sheppard announcing the players, a video game announcer going play-by-play, and Kate Smith’s recording of the national anthem. Who needs a human element?

  62. randy l. May 29th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    i like having a pitcher who has a rubber arm and can be counted on for 6 innings almost every time out. even if that pitcher has a 5.5 era average he has value to the team because he doesn’t over expose the bad middle relief most teams have.

    it’s likely that a team that has this kind of pitcher will win more games than they lose when he pitches.

    winning baseball is not just how good your good guys are; it’s also how not so bad that your bad guys are.

  63. V May 29th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    “Chacon? Rasner? Molina?”

    Only one I’ll respond to is Molina – looks like a salary dump. The Angels had Napoli, Molina, and Mathis. They didn’t need three catchers. Also, Molina was half a season away from free agency. :shrug:

  64. V May 29th, 2008 at 11:00 am

    “i like having a pitcher who has a rubber arm and can be counted on for 6 innings almost every time out. even if that pitcher has a 5.5 era average he has value to the team because he doesn’t over expose the bad middle relief most teams have.

    it’s likely that a team that has this kind of pitcher will win more games than they lose when he pitches.

    winning baseball is not just how good your good guys are; it’s also how not so bad that your bad guys are.”

    Don’t you think Rasner supplies that (or better) at less of a cost than Livan?

  65. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 11:05 am

    The yankees score 4.5 runs a game, if we have a pitcher ‘eating up innings’ to a 5.5 era we will lose every game.

    Winning teams don’t have ‘rubber armed inning eaters who suck at baseball’ in their rotation

  66. Zach in Port Jeff (temporarily Zach in Melbourne, AUS) May 29th, 2008 at 11:05 am

    SJ,

    Earlier you wrote “So, if Willie feels that way, how can you rip him?”

    I haven’t seen this sentiment expressed in many places, but I applaude you for saying it. I am not African-American either, but I have been thinking along the same lines…although I do believe Willie probably should have used better judgement.

  67. randy l. May 29th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    is anyone else queasy about the way the yankees are preparing joba for the starting rotation?

    it seems a bit random and rushed.

    why not treat it like rehabbing an injury and take a little longer than is thought necessary?

    because of the criticalness of joba succeeding ( the yankee season depends on it), why not take a little longer and get it right?

  68. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Right now, the Yankees view Sanchez as a power reliever.

    How he looks when he returns could change those plans.

    As of right now, they view Sanchez as a power reliever and Andrew Brackman as a starter. I have a feeling those projections are accurate based on what I have seen from both guys.

    Doreen,

    Check out Andy’s post-game interview on yesnetwork.com.

    He was joking around about it.

    Buck Martinez is another guy not around the team who wants to inject opinion into his comments.

    Anybody watch the game on MASN last night?

    While Joba was pitching, Gary Thorne was doing a running commentary about how “bad” and “uncomfortable” he looked out there.

    All the while, he was mowing down Orioles hitters.

    Comedy at its finest.

    I hope Joba continues to look that “bad” and “uncomfortable” when he goes into the rotation.

  69. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 11:08 am

    How is a stepped progression of pitch counts random?

  70. randy l. May 29th, 2008 at 11:10 am

    “Don’t you think Rasner supplies that (or better) at less of a cost than Livan?”

    i like both options. i like rasner’s cost and effectiveness, but he hasn’t given the innings yet, though this year he might. hernandez is more than likely going to give the innings this year like he has done consistently in the past.

  71. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 11:11 am

    IF Joba is ready to throw 70 pitches right now, he’s ready to be a starter. Perhaps, they can wait another turn if they want.

    He’s not going to throw 70 pitches out of the bullpen in any game.

    He could concievably start, throw 5 innings, and turn it over to the ‘pen in his first start.

    That would be better than an Ian Kennedy start this season.

    I think a lot will depend on how he feels the next day or two.

    The Dodgers did the same thing with Billingsley last year when they stretched him out during the season.

    Looking at his stuff in his last 7-8 pitches, he’s pretty close. He was nasty last night.

  72. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 11:12 am

    For Joba to reach his innings limit he had to be starting and the process had to begin in May.

    I don’t understand what is so hard about this. Is it because everyone is attached to him as a setup man that they look for any reason to criticize the plan that was in place this season?

    he was eventually going to become a starter, how did you expect it to happen?

    “Sorry everyone, Joba is going away for 3 months into his crysalis but when he comes back he will be a beautiful ace butterfly”????

    he was eventually going to pitch to a higher pitch count, then when he got strong enough to hit 70, he would start beginning the game.

    He already stretched out once in Spring. This isnt complicated.

  73. JRVJ May 29th, 2008 at 11:12 am

    If I may add to SJ44′s comments, it’s important to bear in mind that the Yankees DID have pitching depth, both in the MLB roster and in the minors.

    But there’s only so much depth you can have when you:

    a) Lose Hughes and Kennedy (who were both ineffective); and,

    b) You lose Karstens AND Horne in the minors (people seem to forget about Horne, who almost certainly would have been up before Igawa – Heck, if he were around and pitching as he was before his injury, Joba’s conversion would have probably waited an extra month, as Horne would have been called up);

    c) You lose Bruney AND Albaladejo in the pen.

    That’s 6 arms that the Yankees have lost, and they’re still in it.

    OTOH, Horne is ALMOST back and Karstens is starting to come back (though I think that he’s a long man at best). Robertson has started pitching in AAA, and Melancon and Cox are getting in their innings.

    On the hitting front, Matsui, Giambi and Damon are hitting (SJ44, check RLYW – they refer to BP’s numbers, where you can see that Giambi is the second most valuable 1B in the AL, after Youkilis). Maybe Melky will get on a good streak again, and Cano hasn’t been too terrible of late.

    Posada will be back soon, and A-Rod is bound to go on a tear any day now.

    Really, if the Yankees had won Tuesday’s game (and Wednesday’s outcome had been the same as it was), Yankee fans would be thrilled at how the team is back, after having won 6 out of 7.

    Let’s not lose perspective – things are looking up.

  74. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    Randy:

    Why are you obsessed with innings? Especially BAD innings? No one wants 5 era innings.

    Rasner is averaging just over 6 innings a start. At a better ERA, with a better WHIP with a better everything than livan.

  75. Joe from Long Island May 29th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    randy, I’m not so sure it’s random. I think it is more difficult to do it now, rather than ST, when the games don’t count. But, as Joe G. said the other day, Joba is one of the best pitchers they have, and their rationale is they’d rather have him pitch good innings and contribute to wins on the major league level than at SWB.

    So he starts, maybe Monday, goes 5, then Britton for 2, Edwar, maybe, for 2 (he’s done that this year); and Joba’s next start he’s good for 6-7, which is what the other starters have done, and in some cases, better than others starters.

    I think flexibility is the key, based on progress achieved, rather than anything in stone.

  76. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    “Any chance the Yankees can trade with Atlanta for Mike Gonzales?

    He supposedly returns to the club at the end of the week.”

    no chance whatsoever, the small chance is would you trade Ian Kennedy since the Braves want SP, but I doubt they let Mike Gonzalez go w/ him , Stockman in the 2nd half Boyer, Soriano and Acosta they have a lights out BP after the 5th inning if a starter struggles.

  77. Stormrider6 May 29th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    It does seem a little strange to me how quickly the transition from one-plus inning reliever to 70-75 pitch starter is going. I guess all that time starting in the minors and Nebraska helps, but I would not be opposed to stretching it out a little longer – maybe 2 or 3 appearances at each step along the way, just to be safe.

    Of course, now that Kennedy’s on the DL, its tempting to rush it. Hopefully the other 4 starters can have some good outings so the bullpen’s not gassed when they have to pull Joba due to pitch counts.

  78. Doreen May 29th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Thanks for the input, guys. I myself thought they (Patrick & Martinez) were being ridiculous and looking for trouble; I did listen to Andy last night and I agree, I thought he was 85-90% joking with a slight side of seriousness to his comments. And so far as I can tell, they (the Yankees) haven’t really stepped on anyone’s toes regarding Joba. And I would go so far as to say that if Joba is going to stabilize the rotation (eventually, but sooner rather than later), then I’d have to think most of the players are going to be behind that move.

    The problem I have with all these talk-show types, even ones I generally respect, is that they are NOT there and they do put their own fingerprints on a situation that may or may not exist. And people who perhaps did not hear Andy Pettitte’s comments and see his face while he was making them will believe Buck Martinez when he says Pettitte didn’t like it one bit, “I don’t care what he said after the game.” (The fact is Andy Pettitte never likes to come out of a game, period.)

  79. ItalianGreco May 29th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    The MASN announcers, especially Thorne, are horrible. He said Cano was a switch hitter a few times and the Yankees moved Joba to the rotation because Hank said so. He is horrible and I have to watch them whenever the Yankees are in town because I don’t get the YES broadcast here when they play.

  80. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 11:25 am

    Stormrider the reason it seems so fast is because Joba hasn’t gone anywhere, really if he were sent down to the minors he’d already have a 6 IP outing, but up here so far the most we’ve seen is 2.1 IP, I said last night I was surprised he should ATLEAST been up to 3.1 IP by now but during a Pettitte start that wasn’t going to happen which is weird because they must have done it to push Andy past the 5th inning and he did just that.

    Christian Garcia in Tampa made his debut about 2 weeks ago, his first outing was 4.2 IP then he wa pushed to 6 IP in Tampa A, so it really is going slower for Joba we’re just not supposed to see it, but we are.

  81. Scorpio May 29th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    Jerkface has it spot on. Some folks just want to create drama where there is none. Joba was slated to be a starter since the spring. Even when Hank went on his tirade, Cashman reaffirmed “the Joba plan” and this was back when IPK & Hughes weren’t even on the DL.

    What’s wrong with the way they are stretching him out? We get a good arm out of the pen and he gets his work in. Win-win situation.

    Vescey from the NYTimes implied that Joba’s push to be a starter was in response to Lester throwing a no-hitter. I couldn’t believe that was in print. What baffoons there are in sports journalism.

    “The process has started…” The process was decided last year. Please, on this issue give Cashman some credit.

  82. jason May 29th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    Some nice prospects pitching for the Yankees tonight on the farm:
    Mcutcheon in AAA (against Justin Masterson)
    Kontos in AA – who has been much better his last several starts
    Heredia in Charelston in his second start after coming back from an injury.

    Any word on when Humberto Sanchez will be back pitching in games. He has got to be pretty close if he hasn’t suffered any setbacks.

  83. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    “Any word on when Humberto Sanchez will be back pitching in games. He has got to be pretty close if he hasn’t suffered any setbacks.”

    June 10th for the GCL Yankees

  84. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    SJ, Patrick Teale last night said on The Gordon Damer Show expect Christian Garcia to make his ML debut this year and get added to the 40 man roster next season, what are your thoughts on that ?

  85. JoeT 28 in 09!! May 29th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    wow – i wish i was up earlier today – i would LOVE to get in on the “ESPN is on the red sox ‘package’” discussion. It’s really not even just the red sox, it’s every Boston/New England team…. maybe it has something to do with the fact that there are no more “yankee haters” out there, they all claim to be “red sox fans” now… Don’t get me wrong, obviously the red sox have a huge following of die-hard fans – but the amount of people who just claim to be fans now is ridiculous and then on top of that we have to turn on the TV to listen about how wonderful the Sox are on ESPN.

  86. John (from Minneapolis) May 29th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Love those off days…

    Anyone going to any of the games in Minnesota this weekend?

  87. jason May 29th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Why in the GCL?
    He will probably not be long there as he has shown success at AAA. Will he just build innings and then leap through the system?
    Hard to beleive the draft is almost here along with the short season leagues and international free agency period. Hopefully there are a bunch more prospects to start following.

  88. jason May 29th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    Brandon I have heard Garcia has been mentioned for a late season call-up (I have already stated I think he will be added bullpen relief a la Joba this year).
    He has to be protected. If he is healthy at the end of this season he has to go on the 40 man. He probably has the highest upside (and is the closets) of anyone in the system not named Joba.

  89. William Buckner May 29th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    Thorne is a blow hard. Evident in how he put his foot in his mouth last yr with his comments re Schilling and Doug Mirabelli.

  90. Scorpio May 29th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    Whenever a New England fan starts going off on the Yanks. All I say is: how does “18-1″ feel? Or even better, “18-1*”.

    Usually that shuts them up for awhile. Just passing on helpful tips to fellow Yankee fans.

  91. pat May 29th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    If given truth serum, I would guess starters might be the least on board with Joba joining the rotation. Joba and Mo give them the best chance to leave a game with a win and not have it blown for them.

  92. Real World May 29th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Thorne has great pipes, but no brain. He was talking about how Joba was a panic move orchestrated by Hank. He said the Yankees had no intention of ever making Joba a starter this year. HUH? Hello, innings limit Gary. Some people in the media, be it actual news, or sports, are truly retarded. When I was a kid I used to think people in the news knew it all, and were smart. Now that I’m older (33), I realize more and more that some people who are being paid to know things, don’t.

  93. Russell NY May 29th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Eh, I think some people in here are just generally concerned about Joba because he hasn’t really LOOKED like he has been stretched out. He went 1 and a third innings last night which seems like a step back.

    But when you consider the pitches he threw to get those guys out, then the bullpen pitches (which we don’t see on TV) then it was actually an increase.

    What the Yanks are doing, which is smart, is not exposing Joba to major league hitters in his last increase of 10-20 pitches. This keeps him from overthrowing to get hitters out and exposing his arm to unnecessary strain.

  94. JoeT 28 in 09!! May 29th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Scorpio – you usually don’t even have to go that far – i ask their “fans” who the right fielder is and a lot of them have to make a random guess… pick any position really.. shortstop, right field, second base… a lot really don’t have a clue. I met this one guy decked out in red sox gear – hat, jersey, one of those bracelets, and I asked him what position Manny played and he said shortstop

  95. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Jason , Patrick Teale said the same thing , his upside is too high to let go on Rule IV he said he expects him to be in the majors some point this season, I think that must mean his fastball is getting back to what it was. Man that would be sick if Christian blasts through this system this season. He was rated higher than Hughes on his stuff alone and is 3rd best to Joba and Brackman.

  96. Russell NY May 29th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    “Whenever a New England fan starts going off on the Yanks. All I say is: how does “18-1″ feel? Or even better, “18-1*”.”

    Or you can cite the South Park Episode where “Cartimenez” gives a speech about how Bill Beeeeeeelichek cheated and no one cared.

    “In fact, the only time he didn’t cheat, he lost”

    :)

  97. Bryan May 29th, 2008 at 11:44 am

    18-1

    thanks Russell for the sweet memories

    I can’t wait until the Giants Road to the Super Bowl DVD comes out next week

  98. jason May 29th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    I have to believe he is a bit closer than Brackman. Garcia is probably more polished and has more plus plus pitches. He does not have the super-dominant fastball that Brackman has.
    Can you imagine in two years Wang, Joba, Garcia, Brackman, Hughes. In relief Robertson, Ramirez, Sanchez, Cox, Melancon, Rivera. WOW!!

    This is not completely out there.

  99. randy l May 29th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    “Why are you obsessed with innings? Especially BAD innings? No one wants 5 era innings.”

    i’m also obsessed with pitch count ,but that’s another discussion.

    5.00 era inning are very useful when they replace 7.5 era innings for example.

    i like both. it’s not an either/ or with a veteran innings eater like hernandez vs. rasner. i’m with you on rasner. i like how he was developed and emerged by competing and winning in the minor leagues and then the major leagues. he was promised nothing beyond one start at a time.

    innings and pitch count are two sides of a coin. on offense, you’re trying to wear out the other pitcher by taking a lot of pitches or making him throw a lot of pitches.

    on defense, you’re trying to get the other team out with as few pitches as possible and have your pitcher get in as many innings as possible.

    it’s the game within the game. the yankees made an art of it against pedro in his prime.

  100. Scorpio May 29th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Joe T:
    Sounds like you spoke with some “pink hats”. Not knowing what position Manny plays? that’s beyond bandwagon!

    Russell NY:
    “In fact, the only time he didn’t cheat, he lost”
    That’s priceless, I’m going to use that one next time.

  101. Stormrider6 May 29th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Eh, I don’t know if not exposing Joba to major league hitting is for the best IMHO… I think that he’d be better able to make adjustments if he were to throw his pitches and see how they’re hitting against him and how effective they are. Again, just my opinion. I’m very excited to see him in his first start – Hopefully I’ll be able to catch it on MLB tv since I’ll be traveling for work.

    Where’s a good site to look at stats for minor leaguers? I’m really trying to keep up with Cox and Melancon. Are either of them on any sort of innings limit, or will they be able to pitch all day and all night when they show up?

  102. Bryan May 29th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    Also it is Bill Belicheat and Shady Brady

    http://www.ryanparkersongs.com.....0belichick

    Great Song

  103. Jeff NJ May 29th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    Bryan, I got the Giants Super Bowl DVD in late Feb. Which one are you talking about?

  104. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    “Where’s a good site to look at stats for minor leaguers? I’m really trying to keep up with Cox and Melancon. Are either of them on any sort of innings limit, or will they be able to pitch all day and all night when they show up?”

    milb.com
    Yankeesprospects.com
    ProSportsDaily.com (they have a thread of day to day details)
    Nomaas.org

  105. jason May 29th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    I would also suggest pinstripesplus.com. A pay site but great in articles and interviews with the players and coaches and you have posts by people in the know about some players.

  106. Bryan May 29th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    The one with all the complete playoff games telecasts

    It has all 4 playoff games and the last game of the year against the Patriots on it in their entirety

    28.99 on Amazon

  107. S.A.-Just win games May 29th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    From the Star Ledger:

    A bone scan yesterday on Phil Hughes’ right-rib stress fracture showed it had not healed. He will undergo another scan next week, and if he has healed, he will be cleared to begin throwing. …

    Get will Phil!

  108. S.A.-Just win games May 29th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    Argh!
    **will=well

  109. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Pinstripesplus is the best one since they have actual evaluators and in the organization in depth reports, but be prepared for registration $$$$

  110. Russell NY May 29th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Stormrider – “Eh, I don’t know if not exposing Joba to major league hitting is for the best IMHO… I think that he’d be better able to make adjustments if he were to throw his pitches and see how they’re hitting against him and how effective they are.”

    Not sure if this is in response to what I said earlier. But what I meant was that when you extend your ace pitcher from bullpen to starter as quickly as the Yanks are, it is a good move to have him finish his last few pitches in the bullpen where he can put his own strain on his arm, rather than have the required strain to finish off his pitch count and get the major league hitters out.

  111. S.A.-Just win games May 29th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Bryon-That DVD set is cheaper from FYE by a couple of bucks. Can’t wait to get it!

  112. V May 29th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    “The one with all the complete playoff games telecasts

    It has all 4 playoff games and the last game of the year against the Patriots on it in their entirety

    28.99 on Amazon”

    Sweet, I’m preordering it tonight.

    I had a flight last week, and had downloaded the NFL Network replay of the Super Bowl on my iPod, was awesome to watch (only an hour long, they skip ‘boring’ plays, skip all timeouts, time in between plays, etc.).

  113. Bryan May 29th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    here is the Amazon link:
    http://www.amazon.com/NFL-New-.....038;sr=8-2

  114. JoeT 28 in 09!! May 29th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Bryan – absolutely amazing find with that video

  115. JoeT 28 in 09!! May 29th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Here’s another song on that same page (Ryan Parker) about the Yankees… not as funny but might be worth a look

    http://www.ryanparkersongs.com.....s-win.html

  116. Blargh May 29th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    randy: It goes back to what SJ said already; if you’re gonna sign a veteran innings eater for a few million bucks, he’s definitely going to be in the rotation. And if the plan going into the offseason was, ‘we already have a set rotation’, nobody’s gonna sign to be a backup unless no team wants him (and evidently the Twins wanted him, as Livan was their opening day starter).

  117. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    JR,

    I saw that on Giambi. There is no doubt he has turned it around offensively. If he was the DH, I’d be more than happy with his contributions.

    I just don’t like him at first. He’s a liability defensively.

    Of course, if he can continue to hit like this, you live with it.

    I certainly hope he does because the team really needs him.

    Arod can’t be the lone HR and RBI threat on a consistent basis in the lineup. Other guys have to contribute.

    While we discuss pitching a lot, its the offense that has been the biggest letdown for the part 1/3 of this season.

    Taking out the 6 Seattle games, they are averaging less than 4 runs a game this season. Not good enough for this team to be successful.

    If they can get back to hitting the way they were projected this season, along with adding Joba to the rotation, it will have the look of a much better ballclub.

    If those two things occur, the bullpen needs to hang on for another 4-6 weeks. At that time, Melancon, Cox and perhaps Horne could be ready to contribute if needed.

    Brandon,

    I don’t see any way they add Garcia to the major league club this year. I can see him being added to the 40 man roster. They have some guys on the 40 man they can remove. Like Chris Stewart for example.

    If you look at realistic options, one would think Patterson (who is on the 40 man), Horne, Melancon, Cox, and possibly McCutchen and Robertson are ahead of Garcia on the list.

    If Humberto Sanchez, whom I’ve heard will be pitching in Tampa (A ball) by Mid-June can make it back by August, he will be in the mix.

  118. John May 29th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    So, since it’s that magical day when there is no game, I thought I’d look at the series this weekend in Minnesota.

    Friday, May 30: Mussina vs. Perkins
    Saturday, May 31: TBA? vs. Bonser
    Sunday, June 1: Rasner vs. Blackburn
    Monday, June 2: Joba? vs. Hernandez

    I figured Saturday would be the Wanger, but on MLB.com it is a TBA. I didn’t know if something went wrong with him to miss a start or what…

    Monday is the day that the Yankees have to figure out what to do. Give Joba his first start in the Majors, or call on someone else to give it a go while continuing Joba’s stretching process.

    Looks to be a good series though, with the Twins starters at 14-12 and the Yankees starters at 16-7 (not including Joba’s relief record).

  119. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    that’s why I asked SJ, because last night Gordon Damer of ESPN overnight NY radio had Patrick Teale on his show and he said Christian is a guy to keep your eye on he can fast track this season and be added to the 40 man to protect him from the Rule 5 draft.

  120. bigjf May 29th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    What if they decide to go with Joba on Saturday for his first start? I know he threw like 55 pitches last night, but would a 3 day rest, 70 pitches or so, followed by regular 5 day rotation rest be a good way to go? They could push Wang back to Sunday and give that calf some extra rest, then Rasner and Pettitte (in whichever order they choose) on Monday and Tuesday.

  121. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    no chance if he starts it’s on Monday or Tuesday

  122. RhapsodyInBlue May 29th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    MLB.COM
    Melancon:
    http://www.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=453343

    Cox:
    http://scrantonwilkesbarre.yan.....pid=460079

  123. bigjf May 29th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    LOL I guess I’m just anxious to see what he’s got!

  124. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    They won’t push Joba to Saturday. That’s too quick and that’s how guys get hurt.

    It wouldn’t shock me if they don’t start him on Tuesday. Although, I have a feeling he’s going to start on Tuesday.

    I think Pettitte will go on Monday.

    Right now, Joba Chamberlain is the “franchise” in the sense that how he develops determines the fate of quite a few people with the Yankees. Nobody is going to do anything that would even remotely risk hurting that kid.

  125. V May 29th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    “Monday is the day that the Yankees have to figure out what to do. Give Joba his first start in the Majors, or call on someone else to give it a go while continuing Joba’s stretching process.”

    I think you have to give it to him on Monday. Less pressure for his first start, especially since it’s unlikely he goes 5+.

    All told, this series looks good. Perkins has been excellent this year (grabbed him for my fantasy team ;-) ) – he’s a former solid prospect with an injury history. Blackburn’s also been good lately. Hernandez is the innings eater who the Yankees should pwn (like they did Carlos Silva earlier in the year). Bonser has been absolute garbage lately.

  126. Dee May 29th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Best wishes to Mr. Sheppard.

    I wish Matsui can be the All-Star Game DH starter. The game is at our house and he’s leading the AL in batting average (.330 vs. Ortiz .249), and more important, it would be great to see our very own Godzilla knock down Ortiz in the voting. It is highly unlikely I know, but everyone please vote and vote often (up to 25 times).

    Beside Alex, I think Matsui is the most deserving of all our position players to start at the ASG this year. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES AND TELL ALL YANKEE FANS YOU KNOW TO DO THE SAME!!!

  127. pat May 29th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    I was just looking ahead at the schedule a little bit to see who was playing who in the next week. Yanks at Twins and home with Jays. Red Sox at O’s and home with Rays. Rays home with White Sox and at Red Sox.

    IF the Yanks can turn it on the next 7 days, there is ground that can be made up just in having everyone else beat up on each other in the division.

  128. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    SJ I’m going to give you 4 more good names right now that no one is talking about and could shore up the bench defensively and offensively

    Ty Wigginton
    Jerry Hairston Jr.
    Ryan Freel
    Jeff Keppinger

    what are your thoughts on them and yes I checked the numbers and TPA

  129. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    Jerry Hairston Jr is a dog. Never liked his game and guys around the game think he is a baby. Not a great guy in the clubhouse and has limited ability.

    Wiggington is a guy I have always liked. He’s good in the clubhouse, a solid ML player. Unfortunately, he’s playing with a bad shoulder right now and I’d stay away from him for that reason. Some thought he may need surgery on it at some point this season.

    Keppinger? Ok, not great. Has a chronic knee problem and I think they have parts in AAA (Lane, Gonzalez, Castro) who are better options.

    Love Ryan Freel. Would LOVE to see the Yankees get a guy like that. He possesses one trait missing with this team right now. Down and dirty grit. Tough guy in a little man’s body. Can play both the infield and outfield. Important because that kind of flexibility eases the roster issues currently facing the Yankees.

    I don’t know if the Reds would move him or what they would want in return. Of the guys on your list, that’s the guy I would look to get if the price was fair.

  130. CB May 29th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    With Joba hopefully getting his first start next week the yanks really need some kine of plan on what to do with respect to a long man.

    Joba will be on a strict pitch count. Should he tire or use up his pitches quickly they need to have a viable plan in place.

    That could be Britton for two innings I suppose. I just think they’ll need a guy out of the pen who can throw multiple innings should Joba’s start go short and I don’t think that should be Ohlendorf at this point.

    Joba threw a few fastball’s at 92-93 mph which I’m pretty sure were two seamers. I can’t recall him throwing many two seamers before (didn’t throw them much in the minors either). Perhaps they were 4 seamers he didn’t throw quite as hard. But I do like the idea of him mixing in two seamers – it’s another look and will help him get quicker outs.

    Giambi’s hitting last night was particularly impressive because Gutherie was really throwing hard last night and doing so with good location. He was throwing very well and Giambi still generated the bat speed needed to get around on Gutherie.

  131. AeroFANatic May 29th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    If Chamberlain goes MONDAY, his Yankee Stadium debut will be SAT JUNE 7th vs the Royals.
    The Stadium WILL be buzzing that day for sure….

  132. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 29th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    “A bone scan yesterday on Phil Hughes’ right-rib stress fracture showed it had not healed. He will undergo another scan next week, and if he has healed, he will be cleared to begin throwing.”

    I’m a Phil Hughes fan, but so far in his career he’s less durable than Bob Sheppard.

  133. TurnTwo May 29th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    Freel is obtainable, because they dont have a position for him anymore. With Encarnacion at 3B, Phillips at 2B, and Jay Bruce now up in the OF/CF, his most natural positions are taken care of.

    Freel for a package of a couple minor leaguers seems about right. he’s not an All star, so you dont have to worry about MLB roster-type guys, unless you want to swap like an Alberto Gonzalez-type player who can take advantage of a small-ball type game in the NL.

  134. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) May 29th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    Pete has stripper ads on his blog!
    Gee, I though this was a family newspaper.

  135. Dan May 29th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    SJ, Do you know what is going on with Juan Rivera? Is he finally healthy?

  136. gayle May 29th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    In terms of long man isnt Karstens sue back soon and if so isnt he the guy you would think would be the long guy.he certainly was the person for that role until he got hurt.

  137. bigjf May 29th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Clay, wrong comparison. Bob Sheppard is like 192 years old and he’s been working for 189 years of his life. That may be the most durable person ever.

  138. gayle May 29th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    The truly amazing thing about Phil’s injury at this point is that it is still at the point where he cant do anything. I thought by now there would be some healing going on and I am not doctor but what it shows me is that he had to have been pitching with this and not really knowing it. Or he has a really high pain tolerance.

  139. randy l. May 29th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    blargh-

    the next time the yankees want to throw two young rookies into the rotation, they can go by what happened this time and feed that into the decision for next time.

    the yankees could be facing a similar decision next winter for their #4 and#5 spots depending what happens with mussina and pettitte. i think it’s better to go with one proven veteran inning eater for one spot( even at a 5.5 era and let the other rookies compete for the other spot rather than giving a rookie the job for both spots the way the yankees did this year with hughes and kennedy.

    i don’t care how good they are in the minors, they have to prove it with wins at the mlb level.

  140. bigjf May 29th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    I would DFA Hawkins, move Ohlendorf into the shorter role that he was supposed to be doing and make Karstens the long man. That is if he can throw 50 pitches without getting hurt…

  141. Mitch May 29th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Karstens got lit up in his first two AAA starts back, though. He may not be ready.

  142. Mitch May 29th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    SJ, I just looked at Freel’s numbers, and he has been shockingly consistent. From 2004 to 2006, in close to full seasons, his BA was between .271 and .277 each year, and his OBP was between .363 and .375 each year. He only played in 75 games last year, with his BA falling to .245, but it’s like he’s making up for it this year, going .319/.364.

    The Yanks could totally use a guy like that.

  143. bigjf May 29th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    It would be a tall order for Karstens to be much worse in a mop up role than what Hawkins has done.

  144. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    Randy:

    How do you think the Yankees are going to justify having a guy with a 5.5 ERA in the rotation ON PURPOSE?

  145. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    I think Britton is going to be the long guy. He can pitch multiple innings. Karstens has not been good in AAA while rehabbing.

    They aren’t DFA’ing Hawkins this early in the season.

    Ohlendorf? While he may not be a long man, working a second inning is not why he imploded the other night. He only threw 5 pitches in his first inning.

    He imploded because he pitched poorly. He couldn’t keep his sinker down in the zone and paid the price.

    Gotta pitch much better than he has in recent outings before he’s given a more prominent bullpen role.

    They aren’t going to go to an all rookie bullpen in front of Farnsworth and Rivera this soon. If they did, you would have a revolt among the veteran players.

    Hawkins just has to pitch better. If he doesn’t, he is probably gone by the trade deadline.

    Just not getting released this soon, IMO.

    Juan Rivera is a shell of what he was. That leg injury really messed him up.

    He’s on the Angels roster but not playing much right now.

  146. randy l. May 29th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    i didn’t think it would happen , but the yankees are 4 1/2 games behind the red sox with only three days remaining in may and have a shot at keeping within 5 games of them on june 1.

    that’s pretty good considering how many things were going right for the red sox and how many things were going wrong for the yankees.

  147. Blargh May 29th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    randy: That’s the situation that got me thinking about somebody like Jon Garland.
    If he can be gotten for a few years/10-12 mil a year, I’d try to get him as a 3rd slot depth type. If the farm system does better than him, fantastic, Garland can be traded as such a contract isn’t gonna kill a team. On the other hand, the contract I’m thinking of could be too low for him.
    SJ mentioned Byrd yesterday; him or someone like him sounds like a good plugin for a year, or two.

  148. Blargh May 29th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    (well, a combination of that situation and that looking over the dynasty years, the rotation had some freaking solid depth)

  149. MackNova (blog updated 5/29) May 29th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Call up Igawa or Karstens or someone who can throw multiple innings. I have no problem with Joba making the start, the way things shape up right now, we need him to. But have someone other than Ohlendorf ready to go multiple innings. Maybe Britton can go 2, but no more than that likely. I wouldn’t expect Joba to go more than 4. He might go 5, but that’s doubtful.

  150. randy l. May 29th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    “How do you think the Yankees are going to justify having a guy with a 5.5 ERA in the rotation ON PURPOSE?”

    cb had some interesting stats a few weeks ago on playoff teams the last few years . i think ,if i remember right, the average 5th starter had about a 5.5 era.

    i would take it right now if the yankees 5th starter averaged 6 innings a start with a 5.5 era for the rest of the season.

  151. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    3 in the loss column.

    Amazing when you think about it.

    Tells me two things:

    1. The season is REALLY long. I’m as guilty as anyone of forgetting that fact.

    2. The Red Sox either better start winning on the road or hope they win 65 home games this year. Hard to believe a team with that much talent, that is also relatively healthy, are only 11-19 on the road.

  152. Russell NY May 29th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Joba, Wang, Pettitte, Moose, Rasner.

    I’m salivating.

    Damon, Jeter, Abreu, A-Rod, Matsui, Posada, Giambi, Cano, Melky.

    Just creamed myself.

    Mets blowing a 7 game lead.

    Priceless.

  153. Russell NY May 29th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    “The Red Sox either better start winning on the road or hope they win 65 home games this year. Hard to believe a team with that much talent, that is also relatively healthy, are only 11-19 on the road.”

    Bill Beeelichek helps them at home by tipping pitches for the Red Sox.

  154. Fredo Corleone May 29th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    “SJ, I just looked at Freel’s numbers, and he has been shockingly consistent. From 2004 to 2006, in close to full seasons, his BA was between .271 and .277 each year, and his OBP was between .363 and .375 each year. He only played in 75 games last year, with his BA falling to .245, but it’s like he’s making up for it this year, going .319/.364″

    Doesn’t Freel own summer property on the DL??? Maybe not the high rent area, like Pavano’s, and he doesn’t live there year round, but seems to me he’s been pretty fragile.

  155. V May 29th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    “Doesn’t Freel own summer property on the DL??? Maybe not the high rent area, like Pavano’s, and he doesn’t live there year round, but seems to me he’s been pretty fragile.”

    I don’t think it’s fragility. If Abreu dove for balls and ran into walls like Freel, he’d be hurt every year also.

  156. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Randy,

    True but, not at 5 million a season.

    They can get those numbers from guys like Rasner and Chamberlain.

    The Twins didn’t pay Livan 5 million to be a 5th starter. They paid him to be a #2 or #3 starter. Because of Bosner’s ineffectiveness and Liriano not pitching well post-surgery, he’s the ace of that staff.

    Look around the league. I don’t see any teams paying that kind of cash for a 5th starter.

    If things break right, and the Yankees are within 5 games of a playoff spot by the All Star Break (not unreasonable, IMO), their pitching staff could consist of:

    Starters: Wang, Pettitte, Chamberlain, Mussina, Rasner.

    Bullpen: Britton or Karstens (as the long guy), Ramirez, Veras, Hawkins/Ohlendorf/Cox (one of those three, IMO), Melancon, Farnsworth and Rivera.

    Phil Hughes could be in the mix and Humberto Sanchez may be available for relief work in August. Who knows, perhaps even Bruney or Albie could be back by August, adding further depth at a time when other teams bullpens begin to wear down.

    If it breaks that way, that ain’t bad. You have a good balance of vets and kids, hard throwers and tricky guys, and good balance throughout the staff.

    Obviously, things have to break right for it to happen. However, its not impossible.

    If it does, and they start hitting, that’s a good enough pitching staff to make the playoffs this year in the AL.

  157. bigjf May 29th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Frequent Flyer miles on the DL could just make Freel easier to obtain.

  158. Mitch May 29th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Granted, Freel only played 75 games last year, but the three years before that were 132, 105, 143. And he’s played 43 this year. Not bad.

  159. Al May 29th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Pete – I’m dissapointed that your blog has taken up adult advertising. I was a loyal reader and my son too. But when I saw today that you are using adult advertisements prominently on your website, I have to say goodbye. I have a 9-year old, who comes to your site often since he too is a big yankee fan and this is not the stuff I want to expose him too.

    Sooner or later I’m sure they learn. But I didn’t feel adult advertisements had a place on a ‘family’ site like this.

    Anyway, I know this is not your fault but that of the advertisers of your paper.

    I think you do a good job and keep up the good work. But I can’t continue to support.

    Sincerely,

    Al

  160. CB May 29th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Over the past 5 seasons, the average #5 starter in the AL has an ERA of 6.13. For teams that make the playoffs their average #5 ERA is 5.63.

    That said, with an average (especially an average with a small number of observations – such as the average ERA for #5 starters of teams that make the playoffs) there are going to be guys with ERA’s lower than 6.1 and those that are higher.

    In particular, there are going to be teams that are just hopelessly bad and their #5 starter may average an ERA of like 10 or so.

    So while that’s an average I wouldn’t shoot to have a guy I know is going to have an ERA of 5.6 as my #5 starter.

    You hope to be on the side of the average that is better than 5.6 rather than at or worse than that figure.

    That said, the Sox #5 starters were right around 5.6 last year I believe.

  161. randy l. May 29th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    blargh-

    so garland is a free agent next year? interesting. a lot could happen between now and then of course. if he has a good year his price would go way up from 12 million. but yeah, he looks like a good #3.

    it’s not too soon to be thinking about the staff for next year and the way it should be put together. watching what happens this year should be fed into the process. ideas that don’t work should be re-examined. ideas that work should be continued.

  162. TurnTwo May 29th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    Freel is a sparkplug, and he’d be perfect for this bench. he’s like a poor man’s chone figgins.

  163. S.A.-Just win games May 29th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    What is it with fatcessa and Bronson Arroyo?

  164. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    Randy:

    Pitching can be uneven, but no one goes out onto the market looking to sign a Kei igawa to suck it up in the 5th spot. The average 5th spot era is pretty bad, so I’m sure it isn’t great even on a playoff team. However, I don’t want the Yankees to go looking for a horrible starter.

    You need to get off this ‘innings eater no matter the cost’ thing. You’re not a GM, so its not worrying to me, but I just find it peculiar that you seem to want Cashman to find a crappy pitcher just because he can suck for more innings.

    Wang, Moose, Pettitte, Joba, Rasner : If all of these boys play to how they should be pitching, with Moose being somewhere inbetween his shelling and dominance, we won’t have a 5th starter with a 5.5 era.

    Hell, I bet Hughes throws up a nice ERA once he gets back.

  165. jmz May 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    Al — just install AdBlock. Poof, no more ads for anything.

  166. Mitch May 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    I didn’t even notice the ad until people wrote about it.

    It’s also a pretty sedate ad.

    And, don’t a lot of newspapers advertise for places like that in their sports sections?

  167. TurnTwo May 29th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    “What is it with fatcessa and Bronson Arroyo?”

    because he’s clueless.

  168. Rishi May 29th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    From Jayson Stark:

    • The Kei Market: Kei Igawa isn’t quite as buried on that Yankees’ depth chart as Carl Pavano, but it’s close. And he’s already homesick. We’ve heard from two different baseball men recently that Igawa asked the Yankees over the winter if there was any way he could return to Japan. The Yankees quietly explored their options, got nowhere and gave up. They’re still on the hook for nearly $11 million to Igawa through the 2010 season.

  169. jennifer May 29th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Who is this idiot saying moving joba to the starting rotation is the worst move they’ve ever made?

  170. S.A.-Just win games May 29th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    “What is it with fatcessa and Bronson Arroyo?”

    “because he’s clueless.”

    Ding Ding! We have a winner! :)

  171. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Thanks SJ I just want to add a few things…

    Ty Wiggington (UTY) 23 ABs vs LHP .348/.423/.522

    Jerry Hairston Jr. (UTY) 25 ABs vs LHP .440/.483/.600

    Ryan Freel (UTY) 58 ABs vs LHP .362/.413/.466

    Jeff Keppinger (inf) 37 ABs vs LHP .459/.565/.676

    they all really have shown they can handle the bat in good situations.

  172. S.A.-Just win games May 29th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    jennifer-I know. That guy has no clue.

    Oh joy..”now there is an enormous void”

  173. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Trade Kei Igawa to Japan for the rights to negotiate with Yu Darvish and pay his entire salary

  174. CB May 29th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    It’s somehow come to be accepted wisdom that the yankees were using two rookies in their starting rotation without any backup plan.

    This same line is repeated again and again in the media.

    But it’s just not true.

    What is true is that the yankees did not sign mediocre to bad veteran free agents pitchers to be the backup plan.

    But just because you’re not signing free agents doesn’t mean that you have no backup plan.

    The yankee backup plan for the starting rotation just happened to be a plan that drew on internal resources rather than external resources.

    What they’ve done with the staff is actually quite remarkable in terms of a backup plan.

    They were able to replace Hughes and Kennedy with Rasner and Joba.

    On top of that, they lost Bruney and Albaladejo and were able to replace them with Ramirez and Britton.

    Very, very few teams would be able to have the kind of depth needed to replace that many pitchers on the staff.

    The yankees did have a backup plan – it was probability.

    They’ve amassed enough decent to talented arms to know that if Hughes or Kennedy (or even both) failed they’d have alternatives.

    Rasner has pitched orders of magnitude better than almost any veteran free agent they could have gotten as a “backup” especially when you factor in how much his salary.

    They may not have specifically known Rasner would be the one to help. But when you have 7-8 guys who can help in the bullpen or starting staff (one of who is Joba) its not unreasonable to assume that at least one or two will produce.

    Rasner and Ramirez have been terrific. They’ve been the guys who have emerged so far.

    That’s quite a back up plan. I’m not sure if any other team in the majors has added a starter and reliever after the season started who have pitched as well.

  175. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    One thing about Garland. He’s an Orange County guy. Born and raised there and lives there in the off-season.

    If the Angels don’t re-sign him, it wouldn’t shock me if his priority would be to stay on the West Coast.

    The Dodgers have a lot of money coming off the books. If they determine CC is too rich for their tastes, they can sign Garland and put him in the rotation alongside, Kuroda, Kershaw, etc.

  176. TKinDC May 29th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Francessa is basically fixated on replacing Mariano Rivera.

    I mean, who wouldn’t rush to replace the best ever in the role when he has just signed a 4 year contract. (and has allowed exactly zero runs)

    Clearly that is the highest priority of the organization – Because everything else is water-tight.

    /sarcasm

  177. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    “Trade Kei Igawa to Japan for the rights to negotiate with Yu Darvish and pay his entire salary”

    I don’t even think Japan wants him :(

  178. V May 29th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    “jennifer-I know. That guy has no clue.

    Oh joy..”now there is an enormous void””

    Lemme guess, talking about the 8th inning?

    The Cardinals had success with such guys as Steve Kline and Julian Tavarez as their 8th inning guys.

    I’m pretty sure the Yankees will manage.

    Of course, he’ll be on the ‘why didn’t they do this earlier’ wagon when Joba has a few amazing starts.

  179. randy l. May 29th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    “if things break right, and the Yankees are within 5 games of a playoff spot by the All Star Break (not unreasonable, IMO), their pitching staff could consist of:
    Starters: Wang, Pettitte, Chamberlain, Mussina, Rasner.”

    it’s all about joba. a lot of things turn on him doing well. i think he’s the tipping point of the team.

  180. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    stupidest call on WFAN the fan that said I think taking Joba out of the BP will effect Rivera because Joba has energized Mariano Rivera to pitch better…WTF AND FATBOY AGREED W/ IT ! I HAVE NOTHING …. MAN I’D LIKE TO PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE, JUST ONCE !

  181. V May 29th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    “That’s quite a back up plan. I’m not sure if any other team in the majors has added a starter and reliever after the season started who have pitched as well.”

    The As got around losing two of their best starters for awhile pretty OK ;-)

    But, then again, the As have always had pitching coming out their ears.

  182. V May 29th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    “stupidest call on WFAN the fan that said I think taking Joba out of the BP will effect Rivera because Joba has energized Mariano Rivera to pitch better…WTF AND FATBOY AGREED W/ IT ! I HAVE NOTHING …. MAN I’D LIKE TO PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE, JUST ONCE !”

    Lol, because Mariano needs energizing, lol.

  183. jennifer May 29th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Can’t we tell Kei we will let him out of his contract, if he pays back everything?

  184. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Excellent points CB.

    I think when folks, namely Francesa, talk about having “no backup plan”, they mean, “I’ve never heard of the guys in the Yankees system”.

    They equate it as “no backup plan”. The truth is the exact opposite, as you have detailed.

    It will be a riot when Mark Melancon is getting important outs in August and hear Francesa tell his audience how he “knew” he would be this good.

    He did it with Joba last year and I have no doubt he will try to pull the same nonsense again.

  185. Russell NY May 29th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Reasons why Joba SHOULD stay in the bullpen:

    1) Girardi’s Comfort Factor
    2) Friendly interaction amongst bullpen-mates.
    3) Less interaction with Kei Igawa.
    4) Sitting on a wooden bench makes you tougher than sitting on a padded bench.
    5) Exercise running in from the outfield.
    6) Less chance of slipping on sunflower shells.
    7) Twist, twirl, roar, shake, fist pump, media attention. In that order.
    8) Mike and Mad Dog have nothing to talk about.
    9) Joba can enjoy getting days off when every 5 days another Yankee starter gives up 7 runs in 1 inning.
    10) He can get pissed on at Fenway by drunk frat boys with the last name Sullivan in the outfield stands, rather than by the ones behind home plate.

  186. pat May 29th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    If Kei is that unhappy, he can retire. Wouldn’t that get the Yanks off the hook for the last 2 years of his contract?

  187. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 29th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Jennifer,

    “Who is this idiot saying moving joba to the starting rotation is the worst move they’ve ever made?”

    What are you referring to?

  188. TurnTwo May 29th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    “If Kei is that unhappy, he can retire. Wouldn’t that get the Yanks off the hook for the last 2 years of his contract?”

    he might be unhappy, but i wouldnt think he’s that stupid.

    he’s got what, like $11 million or so coming to him according to Jayson Stark? and all he has to do for that is sit on his behind in a dugout for throw a ball every 5 days in Scranton for 2 years. then he can go back to japan and be set for the rest of his life.

    why would he just give up $11+ million?

    my guess is that a buyout could be worked out, with conditions like he owes the yankees if he comes back to the major leagues within the length of the contract, etc..

  189. CB May 29th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    “The As got around losing two of their best starters for awhile pretty OK ”

    But they’ve done it exactly the same way the yankees have.

    Did they have one specific, veteran guy penciled in if Harden got hurt?

    No.

    But what’s completely kept them afloat is the pitching depth they acquired through those trades in the off season.

    While the A’s have recently had a lot of pitching the well there completely went dry. Their system has been terrible the past few years – that was why Beane traded Haren and Swisher for volume – to rebuild the system.

    The teams are in totally different places so the comparison only holds so well – obviously Oakland is rebuilding and was expecting to lose.

    But sometimes depth itself and probability is the best backup plan.

    It may be surprising that Rasner has been the one to emerge but its far less surprising that someone did.

  190. S.A.-Just win games May 29th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Dynasty-she was talking about some fool that called into WFAN

  191. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Dynasty it was about him or her :lol:

  192. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Yeah, it affected Mariano so much, he called a meeting with his mates in the ‘pen yesterday.

    When Mariano calls meetings (he usually calls one every year), he delivers two messages:

    1. Put bad days behind you. He tells them if he can get over losing Game 7 of a World Series, you (his teammates) can get over a bad outing or two.

    2. He tells them he loves them, loves playing with them, and has all the confidence in the world they can do the job.

    I know Francesa and people like him think getting into LaTroy Hawkins’ face and telling him how much he stunk in Baltimore is, “showing leadership”.

    In fact, the opposite is true.

    This isn’t high school. You get into people’s faces when they show lack of effort (which Posada does on this team), not for poor performance.

    When a guy like Mariano tells you he believes in you, folks have no idea what that means to a player.

    Ask Tom Gordon. Or Luis Vizcaino. Or Edwar. Or Veras. Or numerous other guys he has delivered the same message to over the years.

    Mariano Rivera is one of the most respected men in baseball.

    He’s also a great leader. He does it without raising his voice and gets results.

    The truest and most honest form of leadership, IMO.

  193. jennifer May 29th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    sorry I just assumed everyone was listening to the two idiots on wfan. Someone called in, and said that Joba going to the rotation was the stupidest move the Yankees have ever made. I wasn’t sure if it was a caller or some so called expert.

  194. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    excuse me, Dynasty thought it was about him or her :lol:

  195. Blargh May 29th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Yea, the west coast factor makes my Garland thinking kinda wishful
    I’d still like to try for him though ;)

    Anyway, according to Cot’s contracts now, barring future extensions, the following are free agents this coming offseason: Benson, Burnett (if he opts out), Byrd, Garland, Glavine, Hampton (has 2k9 option), Harden (has 2k9 option), El Duque, Jennings, Big Unit, Lackey (has 2k9 option), Loaiza, Looper, Lowe, Pedro, Morris (didn’t Pirates release him already?), Moose, Moyer, Mulder (has 2k9 option), the Idle one, Penny (has 2k9 option), Odalis Perez, Oliver Perez, Pettitte, Prior, Horacio Ramirez, Sabathia, Sheets, Smoltz (has 2k9 option), Tavarez (already released?), Trachsel, Tomko, Vargas, and Wolf

    Of course, this list doesn’t include free agents right now like Garcia, Milton, Boomer, John Patterson, etc.

  196. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Jennifer,

    It was probably Francesa’s wife who made the call.

    He needs to have another Diet Coke and chill out.

    Guess what? He has no influence on the Yankees.

    Joba is going to start so, he might as well deal with it.

  197. wangisnotanace May 29th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    From NY Times, maybe Britton will finally be freed:
    ” The Yankees’ reluctance to use Britton has been confounding to many
    Yankees bloggers, and Brian Cashman sounded similarly baffled when
    asked about Britton on Wednesday. Cashman said he would never tell his
    manager how to run a game, but he seemed hopeful that Joe Girardi
    would give Britton more of a chance.

    “It’s about opportunity,” Cashman said. “He has not failed in any
    capacity at any level. Every chance he’s gotten, he’s had success,
    period. That’s what defines Chris Britton. I can’t tell you any more
    than that.”

  198. CB May 29th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    “It will be a riot when Mark Melancon is getting important outs in August”

    I did not think Melancon would be ready this year – or at best would be a September call up. The TJ coupled with his 8 innings of professional ball just made me think there was maybe a 5% chance of that happening.

    But it’s very clear now that with Melancon – it’s not if he’s going to help this team but when (assuming he stays healthy).

    He’s pitching well enough right now to put up impressive numbers in AA. That’s without his full arm strength. There’s not a lot of reason to think he won’t continue to do well in AAA.

    He was so good in college. He’s going to be a very good pro – hopefully it’ll happen this year.

    Horne is also going to help this team this year IMO. He was throwing the ball very well in the spring and at the start of the season.

    I think at some point they may try Horne in the pen. He’s the most talented, close to major league ready pitcher they have in the minors right now.

  199. pat May 29th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Turn

    If he can retire and go back to Japan and play, he would still be making money. Everyone semed to say that he was a top pitcher there and $5 million a year is about what top players there make.

  200. Bryan (Yankees fan) May 29th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    That is my new name because apparently we have to state who we like up front

  201. V May 29th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Oliver Perez is a -frustrating- pitcher who can be amazing if he figures it out.

  202. The Ghost of Andy Fox May 29th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Anyone here own a Kei Igawa baseball card?

  203. S.A.-Just win games May 29th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    This is waaaaaaay off topic, but Clay Aiken is gonna be a daddy? What?
    Congrats to him. I’m just a little…surprised. :|

  204. Blargh May 29th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    “2. He tells them he loves them, loves playing with them, and has all the confidence in the world they can do the job.”

    Mo is a loving god? :P

  205. Blargh May 29th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Loving in the Jesus loves you way

  206. randy l. May 29th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    “You need to get off this ‘innings eater no matter the cost’ thing. You’re not a GM, so its not worrying to me, but I just find it peculiar that you seem to want Cashman to find a crappy pitcher just because he can suck for more innings.”

    i do value durability and i do like the idea of wearing down the opposition with pitch count . i grew up as a catcher so that might explain why i pay so much attention to pitch count and innings.

    ironically when hitting, i even focused on walking as a kid much to my father’s chagrin. “real men” in the 50′s hit the ball, and they pulled it. it drove him even more crazy that i hit the ball the opposite way frequently.

    you should have seen his reaction when i took up charlie lau’s way of hitting releasing with the top hand and not holding on with two hands.

    when hitting i wanted to know i could make contact at will. this way i could go deep into counts and not worry about hitting with two strikes. that was all about wearing down pitchers. it’s just something i’ve always done as a hitter and tried to do the opposite when working with a pitcher as catcher.

  207. Lancer May 29th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    I read through almost all the comments, but I don’t see anyone addressing the fact that if Joba starts now he’ll be at his innings cap by the end of September if he averages just above 6 innings per start.
    Unless the Yankees are planning on missing the playoffs, what then are they going to do with him?
    Are they going to shut him down for the playoffs?
    Will they convert him back to a reliever in order to save innings at some point later in the season?
    I don’t believe they have thrown the 150 inning cap out the window, but I don’t understand the plans at this point.
    Any help figuring this out would be greatly appreciated.

  208. Rishi May 29th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Clay Aiken – WHAT? source, please????

  209. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 29th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    SJ44,

    Since we are past the point of no return regarding Joba in the pen….

    What do you see as the right combination for late inning relief?

    Do you believe we’ll add anyone from AAA to the pen?

    And as of irght now, in a big spot, do you trust Ramirez or Farnsworth?

  210. V May 29th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    “I read through almost all the comments, but I don’t see anyone addressing the fact that if Joba starts now he’ll be at his innings cap by the end of September if he averages just above 6 innings per start.
    Unless the Yankees are planning on missing the playoffs, what then are they going to do with him?
    Are they going to shut him down for the playoffs?
    Will they convert him back to a reliever in order to save innings at some point later in the season?
    I don’t believe they have thrown the 150 inning cap out the window, but I don’t understand the plans at this point.
    Any help figuring this out would be greatly appreciated.”

    IF it looks like the innings cap’ll be a problem prior to the playoffs, assuming the Yankees have a spot locked up, they can always skip his spot here and there.

  211. S.A.-Just win games May 29th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    Rishi-I read it on TMZ.com
    I reread the whole blurb again(I was in shock). Supposedly the mother was artificially inseminated.

    Congrats to them if true…

  212. Bryan (Yankees fan) May 29th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    How do you figure Clemens had his first start on June 9th last year and threw 100 innings

    Plus with Hughes and Kennedy back at some point the Yankees could always skip Joba here and there

  213. #9 May 29th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    “His long-term goal is to do the first game at the new Stadium.”

    Hope his first words are:

    “Let’s get this PARTY started!!!”

  214. TKinDC May 29th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    Lancer –

    How many innings per start are you figuring? If you use 6 it is all good in the ‘hood.

    :)

  215. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 29th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Brandon,

    You’re a regular here…

    Perhaps you’d like to offer your opinion on Edwar Ramirez/Kyle Farnsworth…

    Right now, which of those two do you put in a big spot?

  216. Lancer May 29th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    “IF it looks like the innings cap’ll be a problem prior to the playoffs, assuming the Yankees have a spot locked up, they can always skip his spot here and there.”

    If they were to skip some of his starts, wouldn’t you rather him remain in the bullpen for the time being until the innings cap equals the amount of starts he’ll have?
    It’s pointless IMO to make him a starter now, only to skip him late in the season because we need to preserve his arm.

    Also, I’d rather him stay in a routine and not get skipped. It can ruin his rythym if he doesn’t get the same amount of off days between starts.

  217. Nick in SF May 29th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Clay Aiken going to be a daddy? In a related story, MoBoy, Dynasty, and randyhater just announced how excited they are that Joba will be joing the rotation.

  218. Sara May 29th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    so..is anyone cheering for Mr. Torre and his LA Dodgers tonight???? Sort of a homecoming for Joe!! Hope they beat the pants off of the MUTS!

  219. V May 29th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    “If they were to skip some of his starts, wouldn’t you rather him remain in the bullpen for the time being until the innings cap equals the amount of starts he’ll have?
    It’s pointless IMO to make him a starter now, only to skip him late in the season because we need to preserve his arm.”

    If the Yankees don’t make the playoffs, you want him to get all of his innings in.

    If he has a couple bad outings (less than 4 innings, etc.).

    How many pitchers have an average IP/Start of 6+? Rookie pitchers?

  220. number8 May 29th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    i’m watching the brewers-braves game right now on mlbtv (i’m in argentina…i take what i can get) and i’m imagining teixeira in pinstripes. just as i was doing that he launched a homer. i really think this guy would completely reshape and unlock our lineup. really hope the yanks (with or without Cash) go after him in the offseason.

  221. al arodien May 29th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    the gohst- yes of course i own an agawa card! its called toilt paper!!!!

  222. Rishi May 29th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    SA – why does that just make the story more absurd…(the artificial insemination part)

  223. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    “You’re a regular here…

    Perhaps you’d like to offer your opinion on Edwar Ramirez/Kyle Farnsworth…

    Right now, which of those two do you put in a big spot?”

    right now you have to go Farnsy but Edwar is moving up the ladder, as much as people rip Farnsy I hate him too but to be honest he has been effective more times than not and that’s what you really look for from a SU man. He doesn’t have to dominant just get it to my CL w/ a tie atleast. The thing that makes it look bad is the SP hasn’t gotten it to whoever is setting up enough times this season and the offense has been anemic.

  224. Zach in Port Jeff (temporarily Zach in Melbourne, AUS) May 29th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Can anybody give me a basic rundown of what Horne throws? Does he have the frisbee looking slider, or am I mixing him up with someone else?

  225. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Destiny,

    Farnsworth. He has had his bumps in the road but, overall, he has pitched well this year.

    Although, I think a lot of it will be by committee somewhat in the coming weeks. Unless of course, someone emerges who just dominates.

    Edwar has been a great surprise. IMO, the key to his surprise is not being overused in certain situations.

    I thihk the more hitters see Edwar, the more vulnerable he is.

    So much talk about the 8th inning but, if this team gets solid starting pitching AND hits, the 8th inning won’t be the hell some envision.

    Let’s face it, when your starters aren’t good (check out the Yankee losing streaks this year and see how many of those games Joba worked in), your 8th inning guy is not going to get a lot of work.

    Mainly because you are out of those games early.

  226. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Cashman has stated that there will be no innings limits on any pitcher if they make the playoffs. Their goal is to win the World series if they make it ot the playoffs.

    Randy:

    I value plate discipline and wearing down opposing starters, but that doesn’t mean I want to have them get livan hernandez to stink up the 5th spot.

    They don’t really go hand in hand. I want someone else to get Livan Hernandez so the yankees can pound him.

  227. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    “i’m watching the brewers-braves game right now on mlbtv (i’m in argentina…i take what i can get) and i’m imagining teixeira in pinstripes. just as i was doing that he launched a homer. i really think this guy would completely reshape and unlock our lineup. really hope the yanks (with or without Cash) go after him in the offseason.”

    not enough for me Milwaukee’s SP is like a league punching bag, Tex is not that great to shell out 23 million I’m sorry man he can hit his shots here and there but his numbers have regressed for w/e reason in a contract year at that.

  228. Lancer May 29th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    “If the Yankees don’t make the playoffs, you want him to get all of his innings in.

    If he has a couple bad outings (less than 4 innings, etc.).

    How many pitchers have an average IP/Start of 6+? Rookie pitchers?”

    Are the Yankees looking to NOT make the playoffs? He can always get his innings during winter ball in the worst case scenario.

    We aren’t making Joba a starter because he’s just an average rookie pitcher, it’s because we think he can be great. The Yankees believe he’s past the learning curve that most rookies go through.

    I’d rather they wait another month before starting him. We are currently 53 games into the season, so if he starts once every 5 games over the last 100 games he’d be at his limit if he averaged 6 innings per start.

  229. randy l. May 29th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    “The yankees did have a backup plan – it was probability.”

    i like probability as a back up plan. i just like some old guys in the mix with the young guys. and i do like it that hughes and kennedy provide depth later in the season.

    actually i like it that they provide competition later in the season. i like rasner having to keep proving himself as the season goes on. one of my objections was the way hughes and
    kennedy were given rotation spots for so long.

    my way of thinking is that three bad starts in a row and someone else deserving should get a shot.

  230. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 29th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Nick in SF,

    So, what about you…if you’re Joe G, and you had no Joba last night would you go Farnsworth to get 4 outs or Ramirez?

  231. CB May 29th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    The dodgers have Penny, Kershaw, Billingsley and Kuroda going in the four game set against the mets.

    Willie is going to have a tough few days against Torre and the Dodgers.

    That’s Friday game with Kershaw throwing should be great. He was very good his first start. What an arm.

    The dodgers have a very good staff and if Kershaw is ready now it becomes amongst the league’s best.

  232. S.A.-Just win games May 29th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Rishi-I know. Strange story..

  233. TKinDC May 29th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    RE – Joba Rules 2008

    I looked at Josh Beckett’s year from last year and he had 30 starts and 200 IP. Sabathia had more but not a ton more.

    Additionally, it is not a hard cap. It isn’t like he self-destructs after 140 IP. It is a guideline.

    With 20 starts in the season and a handful in the post-season I think they should be fine.

  234. Glenn May 29th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Ryan Freel would be a good fit with the Yankees. The Reds purchased Andy Phillips from AAA leaving Freel buried even further on their roster.
    Cashman could start with Karstens or Jeff Marquez to draw Cincy’s interest.

  235. Martin May 29th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    “sorry I just assumed everyone was listening to the two idiots on wfan.”

    Jennifer,

    You hear Lisa from Whitestone’s podcast-worthy analysis of Joba’s move into the rotation yesterday? The two bozos were in fine form yesterday. Today, they are trudging through the NBA which is always a debacle.

  236. randy l. May 29th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    “I value plate discipline and wearing down opposing starters, but that doesn’t mean I want to have them get livan hernandez to stink up the 5th spot.”

    jerkface-

    well, we have different opinions about the value of a certain kind of veteran pitcher, but that’s why they play the games to see what really works.

    i would love a young rubber armed pitcher, but i don’t think i’ve ever seen one.

  237. Nick in SF May 29th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Dynasty, without the Joba plan last night, I think that Pettitte is given a chance to finish the 7th inning, he was still under 100. For the 8th… I don’t know, as a fan I don’t think I’ll ever actually trust Farnsworth in an important situation. But as long as he’s on the roster and as long as he’s not a complete train wreck (which he hasn’t been), he’s going to have to be tried out in those situations. But can he pitch in back-to-back games? I don’t know, so maybe Edwar, maybe Veras, who didn’t pitch the night before. It’s a pickle.

  238. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    I would like a pitcher who is good at pitching. Thats just me.

  239. mel May 29th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Good morning, guys. And it is a very beautiful morning here.

    The sun is shining, the birds are singing, the Yankees can rest today, Clay’s going to be a daddy, and there’s basketball tonight.

    (I love Clay Aiken, but did we ever decide what he was? I can’t help but picture the man on Oprah who’s pregnant.)

    I’ve been enjoying the M&MD commentary. It really is much better than listening to them spew vomit.

    Taking the pulse of the team. I’m sad that some of the bullpen guys have completely lost it. I think the Joba thing will be a smashing success (what was with all the balls yesterday?). Ian needs to heal up, stay down for the whole season before he turns into the Michelle Wie of baseball (trust me, it saddens me to use her as an example). If the Big G can keep bopping, I will gladly eat crow or whatever it is. I hope that we have enough internal options to plug any holes. I really can’t see trying to get a retread or an innings eater (Colon’s loving it, yum yum) this season. Rumor has it that the Indians may shop CC. I have very mixed feelings on that. It’s not time to panic, but he’d be a very nice acquisition. I can’t see giving him Santana-type money, when we didn’t give Santana Santana-type money. I hope that Alex & Jeter figure it out as the odds are against Matsui and Giambi carrying us much longer. Speaking of, where’s Abreu?

    Here’s a game to occupy yourselves on the off day. Some Alex and NY Giants pix included.

    http://arcade.espn.go.com/cameraman-baseball.htm

  240. S.o.S.27 May 29th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Good day to all.

    Just a question to the bloggers that have knowledge of the minor leaguers in our system.

    Which pitcher would most likely be the best candidate to close in the upcoming years? Post MO. Sanchez,Malancon,Cox etc.

    I watched some Texas games a few years ago when Cox was closing. I believe he broke Huston Street saves record.

  241. Nick in SF May 29th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Reagrding Joba’s innings cap, I just had a long talk about it with a pitching expert, this is what happens when Joba gets to 140 innings:

    http://tinyurl.com/6klesb

  242. TKinDC May 29th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    “I would like a pitcher who is good at pitching. Thats just me.”

    If Cash gets the ax, I am nominating you. That was deep.

    8)

  243. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    I get deep like a navy seal.

  244. Martin May 29th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    “I would like a pitcher who is good at pitching. Thats just me.”

    The best post I’ve seen on a blog. And I’m not kidding. It’s what others want to say when they write short stories and cut-and-paste sabermetrics from 10 different webpages for a comment.

  245. Russell NY May 29th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    “Ryan Freel would be a good fit with the Yankees.”

    You guys are considering Freel as a backup?

  246. Martin May 29th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Jerkface,

    You’ve been inducted into my blog hall of fame. Get your speech ready.

  247. Bryan (Yankees fan) May 29th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    “Where in the world is our offense? On this road trip, we’ve lost 5 of 6 so far!!!! Moreover, this team has been shutout TWICE and has a one hit and two hit game to their record. This is absolutely pathetic. Ownership has $130 million plus in this team and that’s what we get on a road trip. Fans must really be crazy if they think this team is good enough to win it all again.” — 5.29.08, Jonathan Norman, BDD reader

    They are crying in Boston

  248. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    When I go in, I want a dollar bill on the cap of my bust.

  249. Fredo Corleone May 29th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    “I watched some Texas games a few years ago when Cox was closing. I believe he broke Huston Street saves record.”

    Don’t like guys who don’t throw hard in the closers role. I’d take Melancon.

  250. Russell NY May 29th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Probables for the Scranton v Pawtucket game tonight:

    Scranton/WB: Daniel McCutchen 0-1, 4.26
    Pawtucket: Justin Masterson 0-0, -.–

    I would love to see McCutchen outpitch Masterson.

  251. saucY May 29th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    “so..is anyone cheering for Mr. Torre and his LA Dodgers tonight???? Sort of a homecoming for Joe!! Hope they beat the pants off of the MUTS!”

    had no idea they were playing each other (thanks!). i now have something to do on an offday and can put off drinking until the weekend!

  252. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    SWB has been pretty bad lately, predicting perfect game by Masterson*.

    *gardner 5 for 5 with 5 grand slams

  253. CB May 29th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    “Which pitcher would most likely be the best candidate to close in the upcoming years? Post MO. Sanchez,Malancon,Cox etc. ”

    Either Sanchez or Melancon could close. Sanchez really has a ton of upside and fantastic stuff. He’s got a shot to be a better pitcher post TJ because he had a chronically bad problem. Even with elbow pain he was throwing 92-94.

    Ideally, I’d like to see Sanchez close and Melancon setting up with Cox as a 7nth inning guy.

    While we don’t know who is going to replace Mo, I’m pretty confident they are going to have a very good power arm take his place. They have a number of guys like that in the system.

    In fact, they have more guys who could be good closers than they do guys who could be frontline starters.

    That’s part of the reason why they’re moving joba to the rotation.

  254. Fredo Corleone May 29th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    “They are crying in Boston”

    Replace $130 million with $200 million and that looks a lot like the crying many of us here were doing (and still are to a degree)over the course of the season, no????

  255. Russell NY May 29th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Doesn’t SWB have a two game win streak against Pawtucket? lol

  256. V May 29th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Y’know what’s kinda cool?

    A lot of people have disagreed today, but there’s no trolling or ‘blog fights’.

    For the most part, very reasonable discussion. w00t!

  257. TurnTwo May 29th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    “You guys are considering Freel as a backup?”

    idk about anyone else, but yes, i am.

  258. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Freel has an imaginary friend, I vote no for him.

  259. V May 29th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    ““You guys are considering Freel as a backup?”

    idk about anyone else, but yes, i am.”

    Ditto. I think he’d be a great bench guy.

  260. Russell NY May 29th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    ““You guys are considering Freel as a backup?”

    idk about anyone else, but yes, i am.”

    All right. I wasn’t saying it was a bad idea. Just didn’t have the patience to read through and see if anyone proposed we get rid of someone to slot him in as a regular. Our offense is clicking well right now. Freel would be an AWESOME backup.

  261. Fredo Corleone May 29th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    “Ideally, I’d like to see Sanchez”

    I’ve read in spots where many don’t believe he has the make up.

  262. V May 29th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    “Freel has an imaginary friend, I vote no for him.”

    Named Farney.

    Maybe Farnsey would be his real friend?

  263. V May 29th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    “”He’s a little guy who lives in my head who talks to me and I talk to him,” said Freel, acting as if he finally crashed into too many walls, ran into too many catchers and dived into too many dugouts. “That little midget in my head said, ‘That was a great catch, Ryan,’ I said, ‘Hey, Farney, I don’t know if that was you who really caught that ball, but that was pretty good if it was.’ Everybody thinks I talk to myself, so I tell ‘em I’m talking to Farney.’ “”

  264. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 29th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Interesting opinions from some of the regulars on the board…

    Personally, I would give Ramirez a shot, because from what I’ve seen of Farnworth he’s too inconsistent…

    And he gives up far too many home runs…

    Give Ramirez a chance sooner rather than later…we need to find out what he’s made of…

  265. S.A.-Just win games May 29th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Now Joba’s agent pushing for him to be a starter?
    This fool calling in is comical

  266. CB May 29th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    “Can anybody give me a basic rundown of what Horne throws?”

    Horne throws 4 pitches each of which projects to be at least an average to plus major league pitch.

    He’s got a good fastball – sits 92-94. Very good slider and a good curve ball. His change is average but it’s his fourth pitch.

    He’s a legitimate four pitch pitcher who pitches off a strong fastball.

    He’s been set back due to TJ surgery a couple of years ago. The other concern with him is his control. But he was much better with that last year (why he had such a break out year) until he tired at the end of the year.

    JB Cox throws that frisbee slider.

  267. Fredo Corleone May 29th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    “In fact, they have more guys who could be good closers than they do guys who could be frontline starters.”

    Absolutely. I don’t think they have more than three potential front line starters in the system (Betances, Brackman and maybe McAllister)and all are in the lower levels of the system. They have several potentially outstanding bullpen arms at the high end of the system.

  268. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    In order:

    1. Melancon.
    2. Sanchez.

    Cox? More of a setup guy. Think Jeff Nelson-lite.

    Melancon has the mentality of a closer. Aggressive, can throw strikes, is a swing and miss guy, and has a short memory. Imperative for any successful closer.

    Sanchez? He’s never relieved before now. It will be interesting to see how he handles it when he gets going.

    His stuff is nasty. Two years ago, with a shredded elbow, he was hitting 95-98 in the Futures Game.

    Injury and all, I’m still amazed Detroit traded him for Gary Sheffield.

    When he was healthy, there was a lot of debate in the scout community as to whether or not he was the #1 pitching prospect in the minors.

    Dave Dombrowski is a very smart man but, I can’t believe he traded Humberto Sanchez for Gary Sheffield.

    That’s the classic “old way of doing Yankee business” trade.

    The best part about Sanchez, and a real sign of maturity, is his conditioning. Throughout his rehab, he kept his weight down and that’s going to help him as he goes forward.

    These days, TJ Surgery has a near 100% success rate in repairing the elbow damage. The recovery rate (in terms of being back pitching) is lower (around 80%) and that’s because of conditioning.

    Guys that don’t keep themselves in shape have a much tougher time coming back.

    Melancon is a fitness freak. Sanchez, while not a fitness freak, has done a very nice job with his conditioning.

    Can’t wait to see him turn it loose in games next month.

  269. Martin May 29th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    “Now Joba’s agent pushing for him to be a starter?
    This fool calling in is comical”

    I know. Unbelievable. Who is producing today? S.A., I nominate you to go screen calls for the two-man circus.

  270. S.A.-Just win games May 29th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Martin-If I was screening calls for those 2 wackos, no one would make it on the air. Not too many sane people seem call into their show. :P

  271. SJ44 May 29th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Let’s see…..Highest paid starter in baseball, Johan Santana. 6 years, 138 million.

    Highest paid 8th inning guy, Scott Linebrink. 4 years, 19 million.

    Its pretty clear the people in the game show what’s more valuable to them. Starting pitching.

    The numbers back it up.

  272. V May 29th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    “Martin-If I was screening calls for those 2 wackos, no one would make it on the air. Not too many sane people seem call into their show.”

    I think they currently screen FOR idiots.

  273. S.A.-Just win games May 29th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    I agree V

  274. randy l. May 29th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    “I would like a pitcher who is good at pitching. Thats just me.”

    it all gets down to how we define ‘ good at pitching”.

    i ultimately define it as what gets a team the most wins. what a pitcher does goes beyond the game he pitches. wakefield is incredibly valuable to the red sox for the consistent innings he provides, the different roles he can pitch in, and even how he screws up hitters for the next day starter giving a totally different look.

    we define pitching well differently. to me there is value in mediocre if you use it right. no one can have all good players. you need the right bad ones.

    as a a matter of fact, this year the team that wins the american league east is not going to be the one who is best; it’s going to be the one who stinks least.

  275. ham_fighter May 29th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    ok i just got back and wanted to respond to this:

    “Jerkface
    May 29th, 2008 at 10:10 am
    Ham_Fighter:

    If you go into a season expecting Starts 1-7 to all suck or get hurt, well… I don’t know what to tell you. No GM goes into a season believing that. No one plans for that.”

    i beg to differ. when starters 4 of those 7 starters have not proven themselves to be mlb ready and #3 melted down last season, cash should have anticipated that this staff wasnt good enough. and guess what, it turns out it isn’t.

    im not bashing anybody but i was in favor of signing livan hernandez when he was available and that was the discussion when i posted.

  276. Martin May 29th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    “I think they currently screen FOR idiots.”

    Hahaha. Probably. Like Bizarro Jerry. How about the guy who said the Yankees and Mets should switch managers.

  277. CB May 29th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    “I don’t think they have more than three potential front line starters in the system (Betances, Brackman and maybe McAllister)”

    I think I’d add Garcia to that list just based on pure potential and upside and perhaps take McCallister off (I think he’ll be a good pro but would like to see him in AA before feeling that he could be a a front line guy).

    Brackman is the guy who is going to be the pivot to the future of the rotation. If he works out then the yankees have the makings of a staff that is just phenomenal. The kind of staff that will be perhaps the best in baseball.

    But I could also see Brackman not working out as a starter and getting reformatted as a reliever. I hope that doesn’t happen but I think it’s a real possibility.

    And if they decide to keep Sanchez as a starter he also has front line potential. But like Garcia, the issue with Sanchez is health. They don’t seem to think he can tolerate a 200 inning load.

  278. randy l. May 29th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    “Freel has an imaginary friend, I vote no for him.”

    as long as his friend doesn’t count as another roster spot, i vote yes.

  279. S.A.-Just win games May 29th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Let’s not forget Steve the crazy Mets fan. He’s in his own little world of wackiness

  280. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Freel’s value would be in the multiple positions of average->above defense, and speed.

    I wouldn’t trust his bat.

  281. dennnis-costanza(Sox fan) May 29th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Please take a peek at Mariah Carey throwing out this first pitch at a game in Japan. Hysterical.

    -dennis

    http://www.yahoo.com/

  282. Jerkface May 29th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    need to be able to edit comments. I want to expound, in that Freel would actually be pretty valuable for the yankees because of his base stealing ability. Its not great, or sure fire, but its better than half the guys on the roster.

  283. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 ) May 29th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    “Let’s not forget Steve the crazy Mets fan. He’s in his own little world of wackiness”

    what did the kook say :lol:

  284. Fredo Corleone May 29th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    “But I could also see Brackman not working out as a starter and getting reformatted as a reliever. I hope that doesn’t happen but I think it’s a real possibility.”

    You thinking this because he’s never gotten any significant innings???

  285. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 29th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Here is an interesting article from Newsday.com:

    http://tinyurl.com/592bds

    According to the article if Joba had said he wanted to stay in the Pen, Girardi probably wouldn’t have moved him…

    So what would they have done for a starter then?

    And who’s in charge of this team anyway?

  286. Zach in Port Jeff (temporarily Zach in Melbourne, AUS) May 29th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    OMG…

    Fatso has so much man-love for Bronson Arroyo.

  287. lil' m May 29th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    SJ44:

    A big thank you for your intelligent comments about l’affaire Willie R. As an American of African immigrant parentage, I agree wholeheartedly. Your characterization of the tidal wave of denunciation from the white columnist oligarchy as circling the wagons was spot-on.

    You also correctly identified the reflexive and near-universal dismissal of Willie Randolph’s remarks as the outgrowth of ignorance and complacency. My sense has been that the extreme hostility evinced by so many commentators has also been fueled by an underlying defensiveness that, in my experience, too often hinders any thoughtful and honest discussion of what remains a highly-charged subject in American life.

  288. lil' m May 29th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    And re ESPN Sox bias: when ray (sox fan) says even he’s feeling the Sox love from Bristol, you know something’s up. Guess Hank was right after all lol.


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