Damon Oppenheimer on Cole
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“Gerrit has a big, strong, projectable body with a high ceiling. He throws a power fastball with sink in the 94-98 range and has also developed a good changeup. He’s a competitor every time he takes the mound, and he pitches with a lot of confidence. We were really pleased with both of our first two selections.â€
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Peter Abraham
Watch the Yankees rush these pitchers up to the majors like Kennedy and Hughes.
You’re a man possessed, Pete.
Very good coverage
Yes MoBoy. They will be rushed and thus starting next week….
Thanks for the posts Pete
Didn’t see the new thread….
Pete – I am amazed.
I got home from work, fed the kid and the dog, and just finished my own dinner, turn on the PC, and now I am caught up on the draft. Pete, this is an amazing job of reporting, at least I think so. It sounds like we did well in the draft. Cash and Oppeneimer should be congratulated on their hardwork. I read somewhere that Oppenheimer spent almost every day on the road the past couple of months, seeing college games. I can only guess what his family life must be like.
On another note…I can’t say I’m surprised by the Tampa-Sox brawl. Joe Maddon has not done a good job of instilling professionalism in his young players, who probably look upon him as the wise old man. Now they will have several suspensions, is sounds like. It may derail their good play.
While I’m more than happy that the Sox may be slowed up with their own issues, it is sad that Ellsbury may be out with what someone suggested might be a broken wrist. Broken or not, wrist injuries are serious for hitters, look at Matsui and Sheffield a couple of years ago. Ellsbury is a young player, just starting his career, and if it is a really serious injury, it may ruin his career. A shame, over something as stupid as this incident.
I’ll buy the argument that Kennedy was rushed, although he completely dominated the minors last year, and seemed to be the most polished pitcher in the Yankee farm system.
Hughes? You can say he was called up too early last year after only making a few starts in AAA, but after coming back and being a league average starter while recovering from the hamstring injury over the second half of the season, I didn’t think it was a complete stretch to imagine he might be ready to continue his development in the majors.
Considering he was drafted in 2004, and elite high school players tend to have a three-year developmental cycle in the minors…again, it doesn’t seem like Hughes was rushed to the point that his development has been completely ruined. He still has a very salvageable career.
Elsbury hurt his wrist diving for a ball, not during the brawl.
I’ve got a question for the group –
I saw where one of the pitchers the Yankees drafted – was it Bleish – was described as having both a cutter and a change up. I thought that the similarity of grips of these pitches, and the difficulty of throwing them each well, was why the two pitches are felt to be mutually exclusive (why Mo doesn’t use his change, for instance).
that boston-rays fight was brutal. expect a lot of suspensions. gomes, navarro, crisp, etc. that’s going to set back both teams
miggs – thanks for the correction.
PHENOMENAL coverage on the draft Pete!
You are right the the papers don’t give us much to go on with these guys typically. Maybe Jobamania will change that too.
Very exciting draft.
Don’t know if this was talked about but I just turned on the Sux game and they said that Manny and Pukalisp had to be separated because they were going at each other in the dugout.
Music to my ears. Good. Can’t wait to hear more about it. Something rotten in Denmark.
Nah. No one will get suspended more than 3 games. You see, since the ball ACTUALLY hit a batter, there was an ACTUAL brawl where punches were thrown and (here’s the big clincher) NO YANKEE players involved, this is just baseball players policing themselves.
Lester actually HBP Crawford. You would have thought that would have been an auto-ejection as the benches have been warned, but still he pitches in the game.
It will be interesting to see how MLB comes down on this brawl. They should be playing many players short. Also Maddon should be suspended for at least one game. you know he ordered the beaning.
Pete Abe is so excited… he just can’t hide it! He’s about to lose control… and I think I like it!
Nice picture from the brawl:
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/gallery/06_05_08_sox_rays_brawl?pg=4
Gomes should get at least a week, he did the same thing he did to Shelley in spring training, piling on. Second offenders get suspended longer right Bob Watson?
Joe from LI is double posting.
anyway, x-rays on Ellsbury are reported as negative. Doesn’t mean he won’t go on the DL, or that the Sox are being truthful.
Jeff,
Gomes should get 20 games minimum. He does this all the time and he was the reason the brawl escalated.
I can’t wait to see what suspensions they hand out…
That picture of Shields taking a swing at Crisp is just precious. Might have to make it my new wallpaper
Shields
Coco
Maddon
Thug Gomes
Navarro
Iwamura
At these guys should be suspended. They better watch even second of video to see who threw a punch and who attempted to throw a punch and they better be suspended.
Boston- He’ll get 3 games appeal and it will be reduced to one. Never mind that he is always in the middle of fights, the thug that he is.
No one named “Coco” should ever charge the mound.
How dare Coco’s face get in the way of Gomes’ fist. He really got socked.
Pete,
Thanks for all the draft coverage. There’s no way I’d watch it, but I get all the pertinent information right here.
And thanks also to CB, SJ, Boston Dave, and others, for all the fill-in information. You guys are a wealth of information.
It must be quite a relief to the Red Sox that initial x-rays show Ellsbury does not have a broken wrist, but I’d be surprised if he didn’t miss a week – how do you swing a bat with a bad wrist?
And Tampa Bay really is a bunch of ruffians, it would seem. I guess they were happy to get a little jump, since Boston seemed to be able to handle them at Fenway – Coco Crisp was really not too smart to incite this bunch.
Interesting in the AL East this year. Or weird. Interesting AND weird.
As poorly as the Yankees played today, they ended up with a very uplifting result and I hope it carries over. But what should also carry over is that they battled the number one pitching staff (or number 2?) in the league and were able to get to them. Toronto had been pitching really low scoring games for most of the season, and yet the Yankees did well against them. Now, if only the pitching would straighten itself out.
CMW will get straightened out, I’m sure of it; that is, as long as he really is not being hampered by even a slight injury.
Off topic—WAY off topic. About 3 years ago, I planted about 6 strawberry plants in my yard. Each year I got strawberries, but not a whole lot, and each year, the plants kept spreading and spreading. Well, this year, I have a what seems like a ton of strawberries—enough for my family and all God’s creatures who come to snack (birds, rabbits)! Even if I never got a single strawberry from these plants, though, they are a gorgeous ground cover and I highly recommend planting them. And if you do get berries, there is nothing as delicious as fresh-picked, warmed by the sun, ruby red strawberries!!!!
Pete – Thanks for all of the great coverage today and thanks to all of the knowledgable posters who have added their insight. This Yankee fan is very grateful. (and thanks Jason!)
If Coco is the only Red Sox player to get suspended, they win. Addition by subtraction.
Video of the Brawl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA_0laMbrx0
so why havent the yanks taken Tim Melvillen yet?
Doreen – where, geographically, do you live? I would love to have strawberry plants, but my fear is that Bambi and Company would eat them.
Redsox Brawl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA_0laMbrx0
He was taken by KC
Nick-How were the Moose bars?
Melville got taken by the Royals with their third pick, less than ten picks after the Yankees chose 2nd baseman David Adams at #106.
If the Royals can sign all of their picks today (and it’s going to be hard for them to do it, a lot of them are reportedly asking for big money; Melville’s mother wrote an open letter asking for a top-15 signing bonus or he’s going to college), at this point they probably end up having the best draft on paper. That’s not to say they’ll have had the best draft when we re-evaluate it a few years from now, but with all of the publicly-available information, it sure looks that way.
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200806052844179
This is what happened yesterday. The second baseman shouldn’t have had his leg down and it was a dirty slide.
I was hoping Yanks would draft Lance and Stelleto—glad to see they are back. Cole sounds great.
“This is what happened yesterday. The second baseman shouldn’t have had his leg down and it was a dirty slide.”
No doubt that Coco purposely slid to take the guy out. He most certainly isn’t innocent. However, the actions of the TB players during the brawl, particularly Gomes and Crawford deserves some serious punishment. Of course, since they aren’t Yankees, they will probably only get one game each.
I don’t get it. Since the 2nd inning brawl in Boston, I believe both benches must have been warned. Lester has hit a batter, thrown behind a batter and dusted up around the head and now has hit another. He is now being lifted. Why wasn’t he tossed?
Motown, I’m in Middlesex County, NJ (central). There are some deer around, but they don’t venture to my yard. I have rabbits, chipmunks, birds, gophers.
I had tried blueberries, but the birds just have a grand holiday with those, so I pulled them out. I also have a raspberry plant, and last year got a great harvest of raspberries – enough so the birds could share.
What I found with the strawberries is that after the very first season when there weren’t that many berries anyway, you have to go out every day to pick them (morning or evening) to get first pick. Then I really don’t care if birds pick at some of them.
They don’t eat the foliage, so that’s why I said even if you don’t get a single berry, they’re a great ground cover, really pretty leaves.
I don’t get it. Since the 2nd inning brawl in Boston, I believe both benches must have been warned. Lester has hit a batter, thrown behind a batter and dusted up around the head and now has hit another. He is now being lifted. Why wasn’t he tossed?
because (a) he beat cancer and is the feel good story of the year, and (b) because he’s a red sox and not a yankee
In response to the Boston – Tampa Brawl, Bob Watson announced he has suspended Farnsworth “just because he can”
S.A., they’re not bad. The closest comparison I can make is that they’re like Reece’s Pieces in bar form. I like them enough to have pledged to buy more if Mussina makes the All-Star team!
Joe m
Simple, he doesn’t wear pinstripes.
When is Phil Hughes starting his rehab starts? He took an MRI last week and they described that he had a red spot which indicated that the fracture didn’t heal enough. Did they take another MRI recently?
It must be nice to be a Red sox and get away with all that
Yankeestech
They were supposed to do another one this week. I haven’t read anything yet.
Joe m,
Lester stays but Joba gets ejected because they’re good and we’re Evil.
I hope someone in the Yankee FO is keeping tabs.
From that brawl there should have been so many players tossed that they couldn’t field a team. No one can tell me that MLB isn’t biased against the Yankees.
He had cancer, and he’s a Red Sox. He can do no wrong.
Jennifer,
The 2nd baseman has a right to block the bag. With so many head first slides and so few feet first slides you wonder why you dont see more of it. Crisp’s next slide was filthy dirty.
Does anyone know what Jorge writes in the dirt when he gets behind homeplate?
“From that brawl there should have been so many players tossed that they couldn’t field a team. No one can tell me that MLB isn’t biased against the Yankees.”
You would think. I took another look at the brawl. It looked to me like none of the umps wanted anything to do with it. They were just standing around watching. I doubt that they saw what Crawford did (hit Coco in the head while Navarro was smothering him).
One of the more interesting things about that brawl is that it took forever to break up. I was also surprised that none of the Red Sox players got involved. They tried to get the TB players off of Crisp, but no one threw any punches. Way to back up your teammate. Farnsworth would have beat up at least three guys.
Pete,
Never apologize for draft coverage. Its been great.
Its an important part of the game and can’t be ignored if you are a baseball writer. You are doing a great job.
The Bittle kid is a fascinating prospect. I wrote about him in the other thread.
Saw him pitch last weekend and features “the thing”.
I guess they call it a cutter now. It was explained to me its a combo slider/change.
Whatever it is, its an unhittable pitch.
If he can throw it with the pro baseball like he did with the college baseball, he’s not long for the minors.
He’ struck out 130 and walked only 30 in 70 innings. He is a perfect guy for a major league bullpen.
I think you will see some guys from this draft in the majors this year. Especially the college relief pitchers.
The Tigers seem to be drafting pitchers to try in their bullpen this year. The Mets and Mariners may have their first round picks in the majors very soon.
The Mariners want to put Brendan Morrow in their rotation. They get Josh Fields signed quickly, I bet he’s in the majors the second half of the year. He’s major league ready right now.
David Adams is a very good player. My nephew plays in the ACC and I have watched Adams for the last two and in summer leagues. He’s solid pick for the Yankees.
So far, the Yankees have put together a very nice draft.
Cole is really a steal. I still can’t believe the Tigers didn’t take him.
jennifer,
I think he writes “Varitek can’t hold my jock” in Spanish LOL
Laura Remember when Sturtze took out 3 soxs players when he was pitching no less!! I think it was ortiz, Kapler and one other player.
SJ- Maybe it is a gyro pitch.
SJ44,
I take your learned word that Bittle is intriguing. But for perspective sake, let’s not forget that Ian Kennedy stuck out 120 and only walked 31 his senior year at USC. If Bittle doesnt have at least an average fastball, I’m still skeptical. Call me jaded lol
Jennifer, I was tempted to write that is was but I just couldn’t bring myself to do it! lol
They are different type of pitchers.
One is a starter and one is a relief pitcher. He was throwing 91-92 last weekend against Miami. That’s more than enough to pitch out of the bullpen. Especially with his cutter.
Also, its too early to give up on Kennedy. Rookie starters struggle. They always do. Some more than others but, they always struggle.
College relief pitchers sometimes make the majors quickly and can help their teams in certain roles. It will be interesting to see where Bittle starts after he signs.
It may give us an indication as to what their plans are for him in the short term.
“Laura Remember when Sturtze took out 3 soxs players when he was pitching no less!! I think it was ortiz, Kapler and one other player.”
Ah, those were the good ‘ol days.
is he any good?
I am surprised to learn that a team would use a draft pick for this season. I imagine there’d be some minor league time, no? Would this specifically depend upon the particular college program a player comes from?
“The closest comparison I can make is that they’re like Reece’s Pieces in bar form”
Yum. I’m tempted to buy some.
This draft business is kind of a waste. None of the players will make any impact on our current team so I really dont care for it.
We just got Brett Marshall in the 6th round. High ceiling, a high school senior who throws 94-96 and has a plus slider, but with inconsistent mechanics.
How is Cole a steal if the only team that would pay him would be the Yanks?
I’m happy the Yanks got him but the system is not designed to be a real draft.
It is better chocolate though.
All this talk about chocolate reminded me that I had William Sonoma peppermint bark in my freezer. YUM
Here’s a good clear vid of the fight:
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200806052847841
Its a steal because most people figured the Tigers would take him in the first round.
The Yankees weren’t the only team that was going to pay him. The Red Sox were going to take him in the first round if he dropped to them.
Doreen,
Its kind of a new phenomenon. Seattle did it a couple of years ago with Brendon Morrow and the Nats did it with Chad Cordero.
Some of these college relief pitchers need very little minor league time. They are pretty much finished products.
If they adjust to throwing the ML ball well, its a quick transition.
For position players and high school kids, that’s a different deal.
But for college relief pitchers, if you can throw strikes, teams will take a shot with them because everybody is looking for bullpen help in the game these days.
SJ44,
I havent given up on IPK, but he’s been really, really ,really bad. Probably the worse starter in baseball in terms of innings per start and ERA.To call it a struggle is being generous.
By what you say, Bittle must have great movement. I’m looking forward to watching his progress.
SJ44,
Where will the Yanks start Cole & Biddle? In Tampa?
Gomes appeal will be difficvult for him at this point he is a second time offender . The first time he got as reduction second time around I would say he gets no reduction. It is the EXACT same offense.
“This draft business is kind of a waste. None of the players will make any impact on our current team so I really dont care for it.”
seriously, the yankees had to wait a whole year for Joba to make it to the bigs, and he’s hardly had an impact at all.
total waste.
What does it say that Bittle got drafted by the Yanks last year and didnt sign and got drafted by them again. Is there a signability issue?? Is there a chance he will not sign again this year.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW
Bob Watson what are you going to do ! Yeh now act like an MLB enforcer, that’s twice the Mighty Rays started some stuff and that was a jumping they did on Coco, as for the Red Sox I saw alot of punches lets clear the tape and suspend indivuals the right way
pretty amazing how tame the Shelley Duncan slide seems at this point.
“What does it say that Bittle got drafted by the Yanks last year and didnt sign and got drafted by them again. Is there a signability issue?? Is there a chance he will not sign again this year.”
No, he’s a graduating senior. What’s he going to do, work at Burger King instead?
“This draft business is kind of a waste. None of the players will make any impact on our current team so I really dont care for it.”
I didn’t realize George Steinbrenner read this blog.
SJ44 –
That makes some sense regarding the pitchers.
Is there ever much opportunity to see how or whether position players are able to hit with a wooden bat, or do they all always use metal bats?
When Oppenheimer says “projectable body,” does that mean a player’s pretty close to his adult size?
I’m not sticking up for Tampa Bay, but Coco Crisp started this last night. He deserved the pounding he got tonight.
i wonder how many games Watson will suspend Girardi for this brawl.
From mlb.com
“Earlier in the day, the Yankees made a symbolic pick when they selected Emilio Navarro in the Negro Leagues draft as part of the ceremony to commemorate the historic league.
At 102, Navarro is the oldest living professional baseball player and was the first Puerto Rican to play in the Negro Leagues. Known by the distinctive nickname “Millito,” he played shortstop and second base for the Cuban Stars in the Eastern Colored League from 1928-29. ”
Navarro was found to be 3 years younger than El Duque LOL
Cole will probably not sign right away. Not with Boras as his agent. If he pitches at all this year, it will probably be in the Gulf Coast League or Staten Island.
Biddle is an interesting case. He could start in Tampa or Charleston. He may be too good to start in short season leagues and I don’t think it would give the Yankees an accurate indication of his ability with those guys. I’d like to see them push the envelope a bit and start him out in Charleston or Tampa.
As a relief pitcher, its not out of form to start him against more challenging competition.
Short season A ball starts in about 10 days.
Drive 4-5,
Cole might not get an opportunity to pitch this year, depending on how long it takes for him to sign. Chances are good Boras takes the Yankees to the deadline, which means he might get to Staten Island for short-season ball, if that.
just got in and watched the end of the game on tivo
YEAH BABY!!!!!
my fantasy team just took over first place last night, but bj ryan’s 45.00 era for today knocked me right back out of the lead, and i couldn’t be happier. if only i hadnt benched giambi when i saw he wasnt playing.
Big Win today!
“Navarro was found to be 3 years younger than El Duque LOL”
it’s funny because Navarro did alot of things tonight
>> Celtics 19-14
Thanks for answering the question i didnt know he was now a senior not up so much so I asked the question. Obviously if I had known I would not have ased and thus would not need to know that he options wre Burger King (a fine working establishment) or the Yankees (an even finer one)
Doreen,
Kids today play with wooden bats in the summer. The Northwoods League, Cape Cod League and many of the summer HS traveling leagues around the country use wooden bats.
When they have showcases, which are scouting combines that are held around the country, they hit with wooden bats.
A “projectible body” means, they see him having major league size when a player fills out for the position (starting pitcher) they are projecting him to at the professional level.
>> The R@pist is 1 for 5.
Iwamura had nowhere else to put his leg. He was trying to get the tag down. Crisp is a punk. Based on that, this picture just keeps me smiling!
http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2008/06/05/QpZYns2b.jpg
Thanks, again, SJ44.
SJ44,
My hometown hosts a New England College Baseball League team. Their season starts on Friday. A couple of years ago more kids were drafted the year after they played in the NEBCL than the Cape Cod League. Faye Vincent has a lot to do with the NEBCL. It’s a wooden bat league and pitchers generally dominate.
I want to see the breakfast cereal charge farnsy….
now that would be fun
I like the Cole pick and the Marshall kid but can I get a damn LEFTY , A LEFTY THAT CAN PUMP SOME GAS …JESUS OPPENHEIMER HELP ME OPUT HERE !
Who almost got into a fight in the Sox dugout? Manny and Youk?
Manny and Yuck almost got in a fight too?
Joe Smith of the Mets is an alumnus of our NEBCL team. Other teams’ alumnus include Joe Nathan,Andy LaRoche,Andre Ethier and a host of others…including even Matt DeSalvo lol
They just recapped the game on NESN before the bottom of thr 9th and all they showed was the brawl and then wo guys trying to get after eachother in the Sox dugout with players getting between them. It looked like Manny and Youk.
Yeah, looks like Manny & Youk fighting, check out boston.com
I’m NOT missing Baseball Tonight tonight!!!!!!
Oh! I see it now.
Holy crap, what a wacky fun day for Yankee fans.
it sickened me to go this web site. ok, kidding.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/06/manny_youk_get.html
It gets EVEN BETTER…Manny reportedly having hamstring issues.
kd wash your hands
The “numnah” boy just won the Spelling Bee.
Alright-Baseball tonight is on now. Lots to talk about
Kiley from SaberScouting on Bleich:
“Have heard of Bleich, added him to the keep an eye on list for the top 100 a few days ago as he’s been emerging lately after coming back from an injury (what injury? Not sure, things are dicey with stuff like that in college).
He was ranked 97th in the country out of HS by Baseball America as a part of an elite Louisiana HS crop a few years back (the Beau Jones/Sean West class) and had been hurt recently at Stanford but came back with 4 solid innings in relief for the Cardinal in regional play.
He’s a lefty with three solid pitches (fastball from 88-91, plus change, good curve) and command that has been coming and going this year, but has been a strength in the past (#3 in HS command on the BA top tools for 2005 draft) and a clean arm and solid mechanics indicate it will continue to be.
He was thought to be a late-rising 2nd to 3rd round pick with the lack of immediate track record this season, but he has been considered a 1st rounder in the past. I’m sure the Yanks have followed him for awhile and were comfortable that he’s at 100%, particularly with his regionals performance, and after a few more weeks of postseason pitching, may have been a consensus sandwich round type.
Okay, I cheated some, that wasn’t all off the top of my head.”
>It gets EVEN BETTER…Manny reportedly having hamstring issues.
He he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he!
Just made by way back from the Bay Area…..I just pissed my pants when I discovered that the Yanks were able to nab Gerrit Coles…..How in the hell did the Tigers pass on him…I’ve been reading this posting and it does appear that Detriot is seeking immediate dividends on todays selections…..Hell I bet the boys from Beantown are crapping in their chowda….Yanks are cornering the market in young power arms…What a stockpile…..I watched Coles throw in March and he was off the charts…..I know Coach Savage has been working this kid even when he was still at UCI…..He’ll be in working out in Tampa by mid July…The kid wants to move away from home….It’s mind blowing to look ahead to 2013, what an amazing collection of arms that the Big Club will have assembled…..If anyone thing came about from the Pavano debacle was to cultivate from within the organization…..Then I learn that The Giambino posts a walkoff….Maybe the club has finally turned the corner…..SJ & CB, thanks for the takes on the late rounds pick…You guys know your stuff…...Looks like some good flyers selected…..Cudos to the FO’S scouting network…..
espn had other angles. You can clearly see Gomes get a lot of punches in.
Wow lots of fights between soxs and rays.
If Shields could have had a crystal ball he would have waited until a lot deeper into the game before he threw at that pathetic little dirtbag. Unfortunately the starter for the Rays got thrown out of the game.
And typically, especially if your name is Derek Jeter, if you get hit, or if there is retribution from another incident, you take your base.
But what do you expect from something named Coco.
Wow. It’s like Days of Our Lives over at Fenway tonight
Whoa fight between Manny and youk.
wow Manny vs Youk looked for real
S.A.- No pain..no gain
No it is better!
Unfortunately we will probably never know what caused the fracas between the two idiots.
I’m thinking Detroit’s ownership is rethinking throwing money at both the major league level and the prospects. They have laid out so much money in the past year starting with Porcello, then Cabrera and Willis. Something had to give, that’s my guess.
Orestes: “It’s his prerogative. I’m not saying he’s wrong or right, but it’s Coco Crisp’s prerogative to go to the mound.”
Yes. He really said that.
Thanks for all the draft stuff Pete you are right you cant get this stuff anywhere else so thanks for covering it here Bittle sounds like he could blast through the farm and be up in a few months thats exciting
Yeah that was pretty dumb.
Orestes isn’t biased it is Coco’s perogative, but Coco had to expect it would bowl over like that.
Orestes just another Sox crooner operation brown-nose New England has been in full swing since 04 when it became fashionable to love the Sox
“No it is better!”
Hahaha. True True!
It isn’t that it sounded like bias, it’s that it sounded totally dumb.
trisha,
Ill ask a friend of mine who works for the Sox and is close with Manny.
Check out Lakers/Celts for a real Boston smoocher fest its like they already won the championship mixed in with an occasional Kobe is great reference
Hey SJ or anyone else, do you know any information about the rest of the Yankee picks? More specifically, the high school bats they picked up – Corban Joseph, Chris Smith. From what little I’ve read (stats, scouting reports) it seems these guys have a lot of upside with the bat.
So far I’m pretty excited about the picks. Bleich in the supplemental round has a lot of people perplexed but the Yanks had to see something in him to pick that high.
Damnit the game went so long, I don’t have the end of it and no post game.
“Orestes just another Sox crooner operation brown-nose New England has been in full swing since 04 when it became fashionable to love the Sox”
no he isn’t, Gammons and Krok yeh..Not Orestes he is fair in his criticism even called out that Manny Youk situation.
Yu Darvish,
I think most people are picking the Lakers. not sure where you’re seeing/hearing the Celtics love.
Hey cool beans, Boston Dave!
I actually thought it could be something that Kurkjian mentioned as a possibility – did one of them call the other one out for just standing there like a wuss while the fight was going on?
jennifer – where are you, California?
trisha Jersey. I dvr’ed it, but the game went past 5 and that is when it stopped.
I think the Manny-Youk fight is due to a “where were you?” dig, at least that’s what the BT guys implied. Makes sense. I had to laugh, Manny just swatted at Youk.
I hope I never hear another Sox fan call the Yanks “classless” again.
trisha,
that wouldnt surprise me. but does anybody, including his teammates, actually expect manny to run out into a brawl?
Is this the kind of chemistry we are hearing about ?
jenn, unfortunately I don’t think you can watch it on MLB.TV or I would offer you my account since it is already archived. You should be able to catch the YES rewind though.
About the postgame – YES always has that on the site the next day, so if you don’t mind waiting a day you’ll be able to see it.
Manny-Youk fight had to be over hair.
Scorpio
I think you nailed it on the head!
Trisha- thanks, I just missed the replay of it tonight, I’ll dvr it again tomorrow.
“that wouldnt surprise me. but does anybody, including his teammates, actually expect manny to run out into a brawl?”
Yeah this is pretty cool because it feels like that team is falling apart at the seams. No Fat One, no Matzusucker, maybe no Manny?, no Ellsbury at least in the short run, and bad blood between Manny and Puke.
I don’t care what anyone says, I cannot imagine the same thing happening in the Yankee dugout.
The Sox may be falling apart but it would nice if they would lose some games in the process. They keep finding ways to win games. They can’t keep it up, can they? I am shocked they are winning now… I think the Ellsbury injury (and I predict a DL stint for sure) will hurt.
I agree Boston Dave, they’re still winning games & the Sox have one of the best home records so it’s not surprising they swept. Dumb move by Maddon to lose your starting pitcher over something relatively stupid.
It is fun watching all the fracas though. And from a Yankee standpoint we gain on someone no matter what.
Yeah well they probably kicked it up a notch since the Fat One rolled over on his on wrist while leaning over to grab a bag of triple whoppers. But no team can sustain that many injuries to key players and survive.
Can they?
Ill admit Orestes is pretty fair but you cant even remotely support mound charging and I had the game on for the first hour or so and every minute it was hey mark you know whos great Kevin Garnett thats who and well mike this big 3 is so unselfish and hard working i wish they had tape of Pierce and Allen from years past to see them give up on plays and hang out on defense they only started playing d because KG got in their collective ear this year about actually trying thats the true story
Lakers leading at halftime.
Boy wouldn’t it be a shame for the Celtics to lose in the finals after pulling a Patriots and coming up with the best record in the league?
Trisha- half time is still going on must be a long game
I hope everyone is watching the game. Some good basketball so far…
Well I should have said they were leading at halftime.
I’ve been watching BBT.
Does anyone know if ESPN.com has the web gems on its site? I always try to watch to see if there are any Yankees and I invariably miss them, or fall asleep if I watch the late version, or turn the station at the wrong time, etc.
So in other words the Celtics game is going on without me as I watch BBT.
The plisser is that I have to watch the basketball game on cable tv since I don’t get ABC national or local as part of satellite – and since I only have basic cable, I don’t have ESPN, so I have to watch BBT and all ESPN on satellite. I can’t just switch from cable to satellite without going through some gyrations.
“Yeah this is pretty cool because it feels like that team is falling apart at the seams.”
You are certainly entitled to your opinion Trisha, but the Sox just swept Tampa Bay and are in first place. If that is falling apart at the seams I embrace it.
Hey Boston Dave, is it true that Kevin Youklis just took a shot at Kendrick Perkins for falling on Paul Pierce?
Anyone else hear about Gammons blaming the whole Kei Igawa failure on Guidry changing his mechanics last year ? Gammons also claims that if the Yankees were to have put Igawa on waivers the Sox were ready to claim him. Gammons was babbling about this on “The Mike Felger Show” on ESPN radio.
Frank D –
Since I think we had all seen flashes of brilliance by Kei, if it is true that Guidry changed his mechanics and it hurt his game, I find that extremely bothersome.
And then that makes me wonder if he can be rehabilitated.
Ok, so here’s what I got on the Manny vs. Youk thing….
“I don’t care what anyone says, I cannot imagine the same thing happening in the Yankee dugout.”
Probably don’t have a vivid enough imagination then. Things like that happen with more frequency than you believe. They just aren’t often caught on camera. These are the things that happen when you have 25 egomaniacs together 24/7 for 10 months.
Trisha- Igawa and his original pitching style in Japan was far to easy to hit very high and limited velocity for him to survive in the Majors Guidry tried to change Kei’s mechanics so that he would not open up and so he could pitch in the bottom of the zone where he needs to live unfortunately as we saw even that didnt help so I doubt it was Guidry’s fault I just think Igawa’s stuff doesnt translate here
my friend will try to talk to Manny tomorrow but here is the unconfirmed story…
Apparently Youkilis whines and bitches all the time – anything that doesnt go right – if he hits a ball hard but it’s caught, or a questionable strike call, he complains to all the guys.
So he was complaining and Manny just told him to stop with the bitching. Youk told him to go blank himself.
Manny ended up smacking him.
That’s it… nothing to do with the brawl. My friend thinks Manny was with Colon in the clubhouse when it went down anyway and couldn’t have run right out to the field.
Trisha,
Link to the article here for anyone who is interested:
http://itsaboutthemoney.blogspot.com/2008/06/gammons-on-kei-blame-guidry.html
I don’t know what to make of it, especially considering the source. With Igawa, I keep thinking back to those 6 shutout innings he threw against Boston last April and wonder what exactly went wrong with him…
Boston D – I like that story better. Puke looks like a flippin whiner.
Good stuff Dave not that I know anything but Youk seems like a whiner dunno why but I get a feel and apparently there is some truth to it
trisha,
it definitely doesn’t surprise me. i can see youkilis being that kind of guy. gritty but whiny with a big ego as well.
Dave you know anything about Ellsbury think this will involve a stint?
Good thing Manny didn’t throw his batting helmet at Youk’s head, he would have been ejected. Oops, sorry, that’s only applicable to Joba.
I am sure its similar in almost every dugout but there are certainly cliques within a team. It’s like a high school cafeteria. The Latin players tend to hang out. The guys from the south (especially the 2004 Sox team – led by Millar and Timlin) hang together.
It’s not like there is bad blood or anything but team chemistry, at least in that regard, is a bit overblown in my opinion.
Yu,
I don’t know anything about it except the word is that preliminary x-rays were negative. I definitely think he will see the DL though. The Sox tend to be cautious with their players and I also think, having seen the play, that the sprain wasn’t a mild one.
We’ll see… that would be a really big loss for the Sox. He has become the catalyst and Pedroia has been slumping lately.
Amazing that Ellsbury managed to hang on to the ball. Hurt just watching it. Reminded me of that Matsui play where he broke his wrist.
Yu
Yu:
Francona said day to day in the post game PC. You see it in slo mo and it didn’t look all that bad as his hand was half out of his glove as it was getting caught under him. When I 1st saw it in real speed, I was thinking a Hideki like injury. I bet he doesn’t miss more than a few games.
kk Fredo I didnt catch that Im sure theyll be cautious with a young talent like Ellsbury
Nah, I still think of Melky, Cano, Jeter, Abreu, Arod, Sui, Giambi, Damon et al and tell you that there are no two in the Yankees dugout that are animales.
There is too much class and dignity there two duke it out.
Just my opinion.