Game 61: Royals at Yankees (and draft news)
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc, Podcast on Jun 06, 2008 
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YANKEES
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Molina C
Cabrera CF
Rasner RHP
Kyle Davies (1-0, 1.80) vs. the New York hitters.
Darrell Rasner (3-2, 2.67) vs. the Kansas City hitters.
Notes: No Posada after his first game back. Not sure why yet. … Damon has hit in 14 straight at 29 of 60 with 10 RBI and one strikeout. … Jeter is 9 of his last 21. … Giambi has hit in eight straight at 11 of 29 with seven RBI. He’s up to .258. … Betemit has hit safely in 9 of the 12 games he has started this season. … Molina has 12 doubles. His career best was 17 in 2006.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 4:32 p.m.: RHP Chris Britton has been placed on the disabled list with a rib cage strain. Dan Giese has been summoned back from Scranton.
It’s a well-timed injury for the Yankees, who need a long reliever for Joba’s start on Sunday. Plus with Hawkins out, they’re short in the bullpen.
Joe Girardi said Britton was injured while warming up yesterday.
Jorge Posada is fine and the plan is to catch him Saturday and Sunday.
UPDATE, 4:38 p.m.: The Yankees are trying to get the beat writers Gerrit Cole and Damon Oppenheimer on a conference call at 6 p.m. My plan will be to make that audio available close to game time.
* * * * * * * * * * DRAFT UPDATE * * * * * * * * * *
Here are the interviews just conducted with Gerrit Cole and Yankees scouting director Damon Oppenheimer.
First Cole:
Then Oppenheimer:
The sound quality isn’t fantastic because it was conducted via a speakerphone. But it’s the best that we could do.
UPDATE, 7:04 p.m.: A quick summation of the calls. Cole was practically reading from the Boras Corp. script. He’s a Yankees fan since he was a kid (his father is from Syracuse), but he’s not going to be an easy sign.
Oppenheimer was thrilled Cole fell to them and there was no decision to be made. They love Bleich even though he has an elbow issue and believe he’ll sign without much of an issue. They believe Adams has a swing flaw that can be corrected. They’re very high on Smith, too.
UPDATE, 7:24 p.m.: Received this e-mail from our new buddy at Stanford, Wyndam Makowsky: Just wanted to let you and your readers know: Jeremy Bleich is tonight in Stanford’s first Super Regional game against Cal State Fullerton. The game will be broadcast on ESPN2. Start is 7:30 PST, 10:30 EST.
UPDATE, 8:44 p.m.: Sorry for the lack of updates, I was working on a story.
Anyway … Rasner is doing is job and working. But the offense has disappeared again. Why in the world are they bunting down 1-0 at home in the fifth inning? The Yankees should never bunt in the fifth inning unless they’re facing Walter Johnson, and he’s dead. Never mind that they’re bunting to get to the No. 9 hitter. You don’t give away outs in the AL. Or at least you shouldn’t.
UPDATE, 9:26 p.m.: Kansas City has lost 11 straight on the road, one shy of tying the franchise record. If the Yankees are going to do something, it better be in the 8th inning. KC closer Joakim Soria is pretty damn good. He has a 1.07 ERA and has allowed 12 hits in 25.1 innings.
2-1 is like a mountain sometimes for the Yankees.
UPDATE, 9:31 p.m.: I like the idea of leaving Rasner in, 103 pitches or not. The alternative is who? Ramirez, I would guess.
UPDATE, 9:38 p.m.: What do you want Darryl Rasner to do, stand on his head? Two runs in eighth inning is a heck of a job. They need to get him some runs.
UPDATE, 9:55 p.m.: Giambi almost never argues with the umpires but was clearly furious with Ed Montague. No sign of Girardi, however.
UPDATE, 10:07 p.m.: Soria is 12 for 12 in save chances. He’s sort of a mini-Mo in how he handles himself on the mound. Very composed. If the Yankees are to win this one, they’ll have to earn it.
In not, they’ll be 1-3 against KC this season. The Royals are 20-36 against everybody else.
Good to see Giambi is available for more then a pinch-hit again
Though if that’s going to be the result then start Duncan/Betemit and save Giambi for the walk-off!!
Hope Posada didn’t reaggravate anything. He looked fine to me yesterday. LETS GO YANKEES.
Why is it always that I miss the games that are worth watching?
Pete, how bout some love for the Yankees “draft pick” Emilio “Millito” Navarro?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3424551
Stacking the Lefties 5-6-7. Posada being down really changes a lot. I hope it’s just they don’t want to rush back him too much.
Pete (and others),
I posted this in the LaTroy suspension thread, but nobody answered it (not even the ubiquitous SJ44 and CB9.
What would have happened to the Yankee roster if Hawkins was DFAed and after getting DFAed, his suspension was upheld?
Would the Yankees still have lost a roster spot for 3 games?
Rebecca – it was an exciting game yesterday, but also really frustrating at times as well.
Posada would probably have had tomorrow afternoon’s game off anyway (day game after a night game). Why not have him miss this one to check there were no adverse effects to his first game back in the majors? I’m sure he’ll be back in the lineup tomorrow afternoon.
I don’t believe they would lose the roster spot. Hawkins would be on the hook for serving the suspension with his new team. However, the team wouldn’t be forced to play shorthanded for 3 days.
Hey Pete and fellow bloggers…i will be at the game tonight. dissapointed Posada won’t be in the line up!! i’ll use my iPhone to comment on the blog!!
GO YANKS!
Maybe they are sitting Posada cause tomorrow is a day game.I assume he will catch Andy tomorrow so they wanted to give him a full day with nothing tonight
I am surprised they are using Molina. Rasner has thrown all of his starts to Moller if I remember correctly
Sara yes but being as Moller will be gone in a few days or a week he needs to work with someone else ie Molina
Fran: I was more excited about the draft yesterday…and then I saw highlights.
SJ and Josh–owe you guys a lot of thanks. I just sent an email to my former teacher saying congratulations. I don’t think he’ll respond, or remember me, but I figure, hey, you never know…
Sara – Have fun at the game tonight.
Got ya Gayle..i didn’t think about that!
thanks Fran! I am looking forward. I have been to two game so far this year and my record is 1-1 so I am looking to break .500 as well
They aren’t going to DFA Hawkins. This team needs pitchers. They just won’t cut a guy because he had a bad game especially when they just signed him.
SJ –
Thanks for pointing in the direction of the Melancon article on the Times – that was a great read – esp. w/ Rivera’s comments!
On a separate matter, I could not believe that on ESPN’s Mike & Mike in the morning they had Peter Gammons on and they took time to give Pete a whack at Jobamania (he did put in an endorsement of Cashman) and did not mention anything that happened in the Boston vs Tampa game.
HELLO? They chose to chew over a retread issue rather than deal with a bean-ball induced brawl and intra-team scuffle in the dugout????
Makes me shake my head.
this is weird, I actually find myself upset that I can’t make it to any Marlins games this weekend (i’m in S. FL.)
If I had gone then I would’ve come down with Jr. Griffey’s 600th!!
I would like to get in a cheap trade w/ SF Duncan for Erick Threets or get him off waivers.
With three day games (Fri, Sat, Sun) in a row, guess we would lose Posada tomorrow anyways if he did start tonight, so hopefully he will play the whole weekend.
Ollie, I understand what you’re saying, but the Yankees need GOOD pitchers. Hawkins (thus far this season) has been what the spaniards would call “el terible”
I think we are going to have to get used to Posada being used VERY sparingly the rest of the year.
I was surprised that they decided to let Posada go public with the fact that he is going to need surgery after the end of the year and that he is going to try to control (ie hold back on) his throws to bases on steals.
It would be one thing if he was Piazza and was always defensively deficient – but why give other teams so much info on the state of his shoulder?
i think robbie cano is going to bust out this weekend. he’s been working the count the last few days and had 2 hits yesterday. it always seems like a guy will never get better just before he does (remember damon before he started this hitting streak)
besides, as soon as the posters on here start screaming for a guy to get dfa’d, you can be sure they’re about to bust out.
If you used the good pitchers template to the Yanks pen, they’d have one guy out there every single night.
At least Hawkins hasn’t given up a run at Yankee stadium in 12 innings.
Yankees select Spencer Lucien, 2B, Princeton in Rd. 31
I’m sure they want Posada with Pettitte and Joba so why not take a day off tonight? I’m sure he’ll pinch hit later anyway.
I think no Posada because the other catchers have more experience catching Rasner?
“I would like to get in a cheap trade w/ SF Duncan for Erick Threets or get him off waivers.”
Why Brandon, Why?!?!?! They already have a left handed pitcher in the minors who has no idea where his pitches are going. Why do you want another one?
You can pretty much take it to the bank that as soon as SJ44 trashes a player that player will break out.
So it is just a matter of time for Cano here with SJ’s incessant postings about trading him for some maple bats.
“They already have a left handed pitcher in the minors who has no idea where his pitches are going. Why do you want another one?”
They got rid of Henn…
Also, Threets can’t go to the minors without passing through waivers. He’d have to work out his control issues in the MLB pen. I’m not sure why anyone would want that.
They should be focused on one of the Pittsburgh lefty’s to fill that void in the pen. And it is a huge void not having a good lefty.
“The problem with Wang is strictly mechanical. He knows what it is and they know what it is.â€
sj
wang is a very unique situation.
he was just another pitcher until he got the sinker.
he can’t throw the sinker well unless he shortens his stride. the four seam fastball and slider both do not depend on the short stride. he could throw a faster and better four seam fastball if he lengthened his stride which is what he tends to do.
the problem is that his mechanics are twitchy with all the changes. sure they know what he’s doing but it doesn’t stop him from over striding.
when he gets everything in sync he does have a higher upside when he has it all going like he had in april, but his downsides are lower like we are seeing now. i’m convinced they need to dial it back a notch and have him throw mostly sinkers with some four seamers and some sliders. keep the slider in hitter’s heads, but don’t show it as much.
neil allen who taught wang how to throw the sinker tells wang repeatedly that the pitch that is essential to throwing his sinker is the up and in four seamer that keeps hitters off the plate.
so he has to throw the four seamer. add an occasional slider and he’d be fine.
i’m convinced the yankees are making it too complicated.
I know they said that Jorge wasn’t going to play every day till they see how he does. I expect that he might only play up to two games in a row so he doesn’t get over used and blow out the shoulder.
“I would like to get in a cheap trade w/ SF Duncan for Erick Threets or get him off waivers.”
Just what the Yanks pen needs. Another pitcher who can’t throw strikes. Please. Nothing worse than reading nonsense trade proposals.
Whozat,
I’m talking about Igawa, although Igawa does know that he’s pitches are going to wind up in the bleachers after he throws them.
Threets having to be in the ML pen is even worse though. No Threets.
Gullespie just hit a HR so both him and Posey representing for SF Giants today
How is Wang a top level starter if his mechanics are always out of whack and he can’t throw every pitch the same way???
You don’t see Brandon Webb have these problems and hes heavily reliant on his sinker.
A year ago yesterday the Yankees started a nine game winning streak (CHW, PIT, ARI) that gave them the push to get back into the thick of things.
With two Ws in a row vs TOR and now KC (4), OAK (3), HOU (3), SD (3), CIN (3), PIT (3), I am thinking the Yanks can be at least 11 games over .500 (45-34), possibly better, before the Round 2 of the Subway Series. Let’s hope yesterday’s win puts a charge in them.
This is the game to see if Rasner is for real.
If the offense and team can’t build off of yesterday than we should stop watching and going to games because it’s over.
The Yankees might very well be over complicating the issue with Wang. Though I am not 100% convinced there isn’t a health issue involved. He hasn’t gone this long with such troubles.
One of the reasons they had him going to the slider is because too many were sitting on his sinker.
What is really odd is that he pitches well for a bit each game, then it falls apart. Almost the same thing going on with Pettitte.
“I’m talking about Igawa, although Igawa does know that he’s pitches are going to wind up in the bleachers after he throws them.”
heh heh.
Oh, right. I forgot about him. On purpose? Maybe! You be the judge!
Anyone know the deal with Youkliss and Manny last night throwing hands?
I can’t get anything on it.
Yankees aelect Andrew Sueter, LHP, in Rd. 32
I am a little worried about Wang, but even Pettitte and Rivera have their slumps. He should be okay. Just have to hope that he’s not hurt.
“How is Wang a top level starter if his mechanics are always out of whack and he can’t throw every pitch the same way???”
Always? Yes, that’s how he’s put up ERAs in the mid-high threes the last two years. By always being out of whack.
This is uncharacteristic for him.
“One of the reasons they had him going to the slider is because too many were sitting on his sinker.”
So what if they sit on it? If hes throwing it well it doesn’t matter if he throws it 99% of the time.
“Why Brandon, Why?!?!?! They already have a left handed pitcher in the minors who has no idea where his pitches are going. Why do you want another one?”
I LIKE HIS STUFF !
“This is the game to see if Rasner is for real.”
Yes. This game, against the dominant Kansas City Royals, will be really show whether he’s a fluke or not.
Its too bad the Sox are playing the perrenial whipping boys of Seattle this weekend. With all the problems with their injuries it might have been a good time for them to face a real team. One that could win some of these games.
“Yes, that’s how he’s put up ERAs in the mid-high threes the last two years. By always being out of whack.”
Really? What was his ERA in the playoffs last year? Whats it been the past month?? Are you really saying he doesn’t go thru points in a season where something is off with his mechanics??
You should really start paying more attention.
“So what if they sit on it? If hes throwing it well it doesn’t matter if he throws it 99% of the time.”
Bull. The sinker works because they think it’s going to be a strike and swing at the top of it because it drops. If he just throws that one pitch, it’s gotten to the point now that they KNOW how much it sinks. If it’s coming in low in the zone, they can lay off and know it won’t be a strike. If it’s coming in higher, they can reach down and hit it.
“Yes. This game, against the dominant Kansas City Royals, will be really show whether he’s a fluke or not.”
That is exactly why it is a big game for Rasner coming off a loss to those mighty Twins. He gets lit up by the Royals and we can pretty much write him off as a AAAA pitcher. He gives 6 strong and we can take him seriously.
What is with you? You brain dead, whozatz?
He had an ERA in the mid 3’s right? That was throwing 90%+ sinkers.
So I think hitters knew it was coming don’t ya think???
Its an unhittable pitch if its working. Problem was it hasn’t been. And disappears at times.
Someone needs to drink some more milk whozatz
“Really? What was his ERA in the playoffs last year? Whats it been the past month?? Are you really saying he doesn’t go thru points in a season where something is off with his mechanics??”
Oh, I wasn’t aware that half of October 2007 and the month of june 2008 constitute “always”
I was in no way saying that he doesn’t lose his mechanics sometimes. All pitchers do. It’d be ridiculous to assert that this didn’t happen. However, YOU weren’t saying that either.
This is the longest stretch during which this has ever happened for him. He has been consistently good for two years, barring some hiccups. Thus, I have faith that he’ll figure it out.
I think this is a huge game for Rasner. He really has to continue this winning streak and a good game here really solidifies him in the rotation. Very important start especially seeing how poor the KC offense is.
just read jon heyman and found this:
“USA Today reported that Mariners management pulled the food, beer and towels from the clubhouse to punish the players’ lax attitude.”
yeah, that’s really gonna fire up the troops!
So, you just like arguing over nothing than whozatz if you say you are agreeing with me that he loses his mechanics often??
Some people here are hilarious.
I know I’d play better if someone threatened my food and booze.
the TOWELS??????
I guess so they don’t hang themselves???
If I’m a Seattle Mariner, I’m calling my agent and finding out how I can get out of town.
Moose is at 259 wins, if he wins say another 10-11 games this year and he gets to 270, then he would have to go for 300, wouldn’t he?
“He gives 6 strong and we can take him seriously.”
No. The Royals are awful. If he gets lit up, that’s bad. If he pitches well…what has that really told us? That he can beat a bad team. How is that new information?
“So I think hitters knew it was coming don’t ya think???’
That doesn’t mean that they’d all seen it enough that they could predict its movement. I don’t care how nasty your pitch is…if a player has seen it enough to predict its movement, and he expects it, he will beat you. He will lay off it when he knows it’ll miss the zone, and he will hit it well if it’s up enough. Not 100% of the time, but plenty often that you can’t succeed that way.
Mo is the exception here, but EVERYONE else falls victim to this.
I’m starting to debate whether this is Wangs mechanics or maybe him just not being very good.
How is this not a huge start for Rasner????
Hes facing the worst team in the league and the worst offense. If he bombs out he’s def losing his spot when Kennedy is back.
If he pitches 6 strong he can relax and focus.
“That doesn’t mean that they’d all seen it enough that they could predict its movement.”
Wang throws a SINKER!! Every batter knows what its going to do. The problem is if it doesn’t sink. When that happens his mechanics are out of whack and unfortunately it happens to him.
“So, you just like arguing over nothing than whozatz if you say you are agreeing with me that he loses his mechanics often??”
It’s like talking to a wall.
You asked “How is Wang a top level starter if his mechanics are always out of whack ”
I said “His mechanics aren’t always out of whack.”
You said “Yeah, but what about last october and last month??”
I said “Last october and last month don’t mean ‘always’. He loses his mechanics sometimes, like any other pitcher, but he’s been very consistent over the last two years.”
See how my statements are logically consistent with one another? Strive for that.
“Moose is at 259 wins, if he wins say another 10-11 games this year and he gets to 270, then he would have to go for 300, wouldn’t he?”
If Moose didn’t retire off of last seasons disaster, why would he off pitching well??
I think the Yankees need to trade for Brian Fuentes like was reported a couple days ago. LaTroy is not cutting it.
Go Getter – He still had 1 year, $12.5 million on the contract for this season. If the Yankees don’t want him back, which could very well happen, then does he go somewhere else or retire?
whozatz I really enjoy talking to myself when talking to you. Apparently, you can’t read or follow so while I’ve enjoyed teaching you a thing or two I’ve had enough with you. Enjoy the game whozatz.
If you can’t see that Wangs mechanics go out every now and again I really can’t help you.
Y’s Guy, yeah, they pulled while their going on a road trip. That will really twist the shorts of the Mariners’ players.
You know its tough when you actually have to drip dry after showers, and can’t have a beer till you get home or the to bar.
Neil,
I think the Yanks got an option. But I can def see him in the NL next season. Maybe even with the Mets.
If he can win 15 games in the AL East (and he only needs 6 more to get that) then I can def see him winning 15 for the Mets.
I hope so. Love Moose. Would be great to see him in the Hall.
“Wang throws a SINKER!! Every batter knows what its going to do. ”
Wow. So, every sinker behaves the same, does it? There was an article on the Hardball Times that compared the best sinkers in the league. They all have varying degrees of vertical and horizontal break. They’re all different. Yes, they know it’ll drop…but knowing that and having experienced it repeatedly in person are drastically different.
Yes, Wang can sometimes have issues where his sinker loses its vertical movement. That’s what’s happening now. However, I also submit that last october wasn’t that. They just weren’t swinging at the low sinkers, because they knew they were coming and knew they’d drop out of the zone for balls. So he had to aim higher. Then, the pitch would stay reachable for the hitters and they could go down and get it.
Thus, he NEEDS some other pitch to force teams that have seen him a lot to swing at his sinkers. He doesn’t need to go for gaudy K numbers, but he does need to throw other pitches for strikes to force guys to swing at his sinkers that start at the bottom of the zone before the bottom drops out.
I think they should send Kennedy down when he’s healthy. He’s not ready for the big leagues. Rasner looks like he’s ready and has proven that.
“Ian Kennedy (strained right lat muscle) played catch and reported no problem. He likely will long toss today and could begin throwing off a mound Monday.”
Didn’t see any note of this earlier today – where will IPK fit in once he is healthy?
“If Moose didn’t retire off of last seasons disaster, why would he off pitching well??”
He’s not pitching THAT well. The 8 wins is nice. 6 for 13 in getting quality starts is not very good. Recording 15 outs per start is not very good. He’s had some flashes of brilliance, but he’s been largely mediocre this season overall (his 102 OPS+ pretty much bears this out).
Wang did pretty well the past 3 years with one pitch didn’t he??
Aren’t you the guy whozatz that gave me his ERA numbers and wins???
Maybe his mechanics are off because hes throwing all these other pitches trying to please people like you and add to his K totals???
I said:
“I was in no way saying that he doesn’t lose his mechanics sometimes.”
You said:
“If you can’t see that Wangs mechanics go out every now and again I really can’t help you.”
Freddy,
No one said he’s gonna win the Cy Young. But 8 wins in the AL East is 8 wins. And discount those 2 Sox games and it’s a fine season.
In the NL his season would be even better.
He can win 30 games over the next 3 yrs if he stays healthy.
I said:
“He doesn’t need to go for gaudy K numbers”
You said:
“Maybe his mechanics are off because hes throwing all these other pitches trying to please people like you and add to his K totals???”
“So what if they sit on it? If hes throwing it well it doesn’t matter if he throws it 99% of the time.â€
this is true if he’s throwing strikes, but there is something that’s being missed on this point.
neil allen who reinvented wang as a sinkerball pitcher tells wang it is essential that he has to keep hitters from cheating up on the plate . hitters change where they stand with wang if he doesn’t knock them off it with four seam fastballs up and in. the red sox especially
it’s not just hitters laying off pitches. it’s hitters moving up and hitting them before they sink. wang has had trouble getting posada to give him targets up and in. allen tells him to do it on his own.
you just have to understand hitter’s adjustments to understand why wang must knock hitters off the plate.
this was all in the past. allen works for the devil rays now so of course they never talk.
“Just what the Yanks pen needs. Another pitcher who can’t throw strikes. Please. Nothing worse than reading nonsense trade proposals.”
IDK how many more times I can say this I like his upside, I like his stuff, he’s a LHP that made Albert Pujols lookdirt silly, his fastball is at 96 mph sits 93-95 (LEGIT), has a change up that goes from 80-83 mph and has a slider about 3 mph more, the difference of speed, the fact he may have been pitching hurt to stay on the roster makes me want to risk it. What’s the big risk losing Shelley Duncan ? gee that’s hard to replace, the upside of a LHP who can dial it up to 97 and if they fix him may once again hit 99 to 100 as he still believes he can. Just look at what happened w/ Bruney he couldn’t top out at 98 let alone 100 in Arizona but he did it in NY. Erick Threets has that type of upside.
Like I already said whozatz I’m done talking to you since you obviously can’t keep to a coherent thought process. I have enjoyed sparring with you. Enjoy the game.
“Didn’t see any note of this earlier today – where will IPK fit in once he is healthy?”
At this point, I’d say Scranton.
Great tidbit about Cole from Heyman on SI:
“and one more player who could qualify as “premium,” in Boras’ draft lexicon. That would be the 97-mph-throwing righthander Gerrit Cole, who just needs to mature physically, according to Boras, and may accept a scholarship to UCLA if the price isn’t right. The agent discovered Cole near his Orange County, Calif., home when Cole’s no-hit bid was broken up by Boras’ son Shane.”
I am shocked that Boras didn’t instruct his son to fan against Cole and give his teammates ex-lax brownies to boot!
Brandon,
What will upside mean in the major league bullpen if he can’t work on those things in the minors?
Do we really want someone working on that stuff in the majors while we need all the help we can in the pen?
Why not just get a GOOD lefty?
“Ian Kennedy (strained right lat muscle) played catch and reported no problem.”
Must have been nobody there trying to hit the ball.(:
I like Heyman’s columns. Good addition to SI.
I hope the next wave of Yank prospects are a little better than Kennedy. Talk about hype. Has anyone been impressed with him at all? His stuff is average and I thought he was a pitcher who knew how to pitch with guts and didn’t walk anyone?
I know you can’t write him off but he looks like a 5th starter at best here.
“Brandon,
What will upside mean in the major league bullpen if he can’t work on those things in the minors?
Do we really want someone working on that stuff in the majors while we need all the help we can in the pen?
Why not just get a GOOD lefty?”
look around there aren’t any available for a decent price w/ that type of upside, we watch Hawkins throw BP out there you telling me a LH who throws 96-97 mph w/ upside wouldn’t have a spot on a team, it’s not like he gives up HR it’s the BB, that’s too big of an arm to pass up.
FYI:
Do not write off IPK. A lot of young pitcher go thru these types of struggles when they start their careers. Check the records of Maddux and Glavine and Smoltz to name 3 HOF’s. Not every pitcher is Volquez or Doc Gooden.
AL offenses are closing the gap, but they’re still behind the NL by 0.11 runs per game (4.46 runs per game to the NL’s 4.57). Thanks to Texas for being the AL offense leader (at 5.6 runs per game) not being so shameful compared to the MLB leading Cubs (5.67).
Fredo and Go Getter –
It is 9 wins for Moose, not 8. That is just shy of 260 career.
Beckett averaged barely over 6 innings per start last year and came in 2nd in Cy Young. He’s gotten a decision in every start.
Brandon,
Isn’t there a reason Threets is available???
Don’t be seduced by stuff. Be seduced by out getters especially in the bullpen. And don’t put words in my mouth saying Hawkins is any good. Not cool. We all know Hawkins stinks!
I’m sure Cashman will get a lefty and another pen arm before the deadline.
IPK’s ceiling was touted as either a 3rd (approximately league average) or 4th, don’t remember which; he was never hyped up as a 2nd slot or better, at least by the organization anyway. Of course, the fans can get a bit silly with the expectations…
Moose has shocked us all. Maybe this is the yr he wins the Cy. I would be floored as would 99% of us Yank fans.
If he stays healthy I can really see him being the last guy to get 300 wins for a while assuming RJ gets it too.
I just haven’t seen anything from Kennedy that makes me see a future 15 game winner and #3 starter. I’ll be patient. Would be nice to get something from Hughes too.
How much could you have gotten for “Mussina Cy Young in 2008″ back in March???
Please pardon if this is the wrong place to ask this, but why did the Sux get so upset at the Rays for blocking the plate on the steal of second base yesterday? Is that some unwritten rule that you are not supposed to block the plate with your knee or something?
I looked into the Moose over at Riverave Blues yesterday, and this what I wrote:
“I’m a big Moose fan, and have posted repeatedly here and at Pete Abe’s about the possibility of resigning the Moose after this year.
Besides the obvious proviso (the Yankees should wait out the year before making any commitments), it does bear mentioning that while Moose has been a pleasant surprise, he is still not a top 10 pitcher this year.
(I looked at his stats, and the best two that I could see were Wins and K/BB, which was actually VERY NICE at 3.55, which places Moose at No. 6 in the AL).
That’s partially because when Moose is bad (his April 17 start against the BoSox, his May 20 start against the Orioles – to a lesser extent, his April 12 start against the BoSox), he’s been really bad.
Having said that, I count 6 QS for Moose (Apr 7 vs. TB, Apr 23 vs. the CHWS, May 3 vs. SEA, May 14 vs. TB, May 30 vs. MIN and yesterday vs. Tor).
Though not QS, his Apr 2 and May 8 starts were close (particularly the May 8 one, where he was only at 86 pitches when he was pulled).
In summation, Moose has given the Yanks QS in 6/13 starts, clunkers in 3/13 and so-so starts in 4/13 starts (again, 2 of the so-so starts were close to being QS).
That’s a LOT more than I think Yankee fandom expected from the Moose this year.”
Should we take the Britton injury with a grain of salt??
“Brandon,
Isn’t there a reason Threets is available???”
we’re talking about the same organization that let Johan Santana go rule 5 and Joe Nathan go in a trade w/ Liriano.
“Don’t be seduced by stuff. Be seduced by out getters especially in the bullpen. And don’t put words in my mouth saying Hawkins is any good. Not cool. We all know Hawkins stinks!”
have you seen Threets pitch ? sometimes his defense didn’t help him and this guy has hitters uncomfortable from pitch one it’s his put away pitch selection that needs the tweaking.
Crisp said Bartlett intentionally kneed him and tried to injure him. Crisp cussed out the Rays manager and Maddon gave it right back. Which meant yesterday was pretty lock solid for Crisp to get hit but he has to act unprofessional and charge the mound. Crisp knew he was getting one in the back. Take it like a man and have your pitchers back you up.
Can we add this (faux) DL trip to the list of Britton’s movements back and forth between the active roster and elsewhere?
“Beckett averaged barely over 6 innings per start last year and came in 2nd in Cy Young. He’s gotten a decision in every start.”
TK, you’ve got to be kidding. Beckett had 23 quality starts out of 30 and averaged 20 outs per start last year. Mussina is getting 15 outs (that 1 2/3 innings required from the pen that Beckett didn’t last year). Beckett’s ERA was 1.5 runs off the league average and his ERA+ was 145. Mussina is at 4.01 (4.10 is the league average) and a 102 ERA+
Honestly dude, you know better.
Moose is “not a top 10 pitcher this year”?
STRAWMAN ALERT!!!!
Even the most optimistic analysts had Moose as a 3-4 man in the rotation this year. The only reasonable yardstick is against people in that slot of the rotation. Darrell Rasner is not a top 10 pitcher but compared to expectations he is doing GREAT.
You can only expect a guy to compete with all he has – IPK and Hughes did not meet this test, but Moose has passed it with FLYING COLORS
“Can we add this (faux) DL trip to the list of Britton’s movements back and forth between the active roster and elsewhere?”
Yeah that’s ridiculous. Britton probably didn’t even know he was injured until Pete his update.
So why would he be available Brandon?
DO you see something the whole SF organization doesn’t see??
Just because a guy throws hard doesn’t mean hes good in the pen ie SEAN HENN
It’s not like the Giants cant keep him in the pen since they will finish last this yr.
Doesn’t help that his walk rates are astronomical and his strikeout rates are terrible.
This is not a guy you want learning his craft in the bullpen.
Fredo –
Check the numbers- Becket was under 7 innings per start and is in his prime. You can bow down to the quality start stat if you want (exactly when did this become the end all be all?) , but you were bitching about Moose’s innings per start.
I’m not nominating Moose for the Cy, but your beef was stupid in the context of the performance of 3-4-5 starters.
Moose has been solid this yr but we really shouldn’t compare him to Josh Beckett. A little out of this world there.
But I had him pegged for 5th starter/long man and hes been a genuine surprise. Which makes the failures of Hughes and IPK that much more profound. Otherwise we could be sitting pretty right now. If only one of them were solid. Killer.
“until Pete posted his update”
Threets? This pen needs pitchers that get outs. Not someone working on control issues.
TKinDC,
Please bear in mind that I was coping and pasting something from another blog.
If you read my whole post, you’d realize I’m pretty happy with Moose this year.
From Boston:
Ellsbury out of the lineup tonite but available to pinch run. Could play this weekend. MRI negative.
Ramirez out of the lineup tonite. Sore knee. Probably playing tomorrow.
Felix Hernandez may find Fenway to his liking tonite.
Brandon,
Just want to thank you for timely updates on the draft picks today. I checked out mlb.com earlier to see who the yanks drafted today, but its been nicer to get your updates while checking out the comments as well! BTW, I look forward to your comments along with those from the usual “suspects” (SJ, CB, Doreen, mel, Nick, etc…).
“I had him pegged for 5th starter/long man and hes been a genuine surprise. Which makes the failures of Hughes and IPK that much more profound”
Exactly. The failures of those kids have killed this team so far. We would be in 1st right now if they didn’t poop the bed.
No Yankee fan can be disappointed with Moose this year. Now hopefully he keeps up the good work…
TK:
20 outs is one short of 7 full. Only pitcher to average a full 7 innings in ‘07 was Sabathia. As you can see, it’s done him a world of good this year.
I agree on the QS. It is in fact the definition of mediocre at the 6 IP, 3 ER level.
No problem Theresa.
Britton was probably busted with candy wrappers in his locker.
Rasner needs a solid start tonight and the offense needs to get in a groove.
Why does Girardi hate Britton?
He hit his kids or something?
“Threets? This pen needs pitchers that get outs. Not someone working on control issues.”
so substitute his arm for one of the non control pitchers, he a LHP w/ upside, I can’t believe people here actually compared him w/ Sean Henn … his change up is better, the slider is better and his fastball is better than Henn’s use to be.
I don’t think ANYONE would have thought we’d get the production we have been getting from Moose! Talk about a pleasant surprise.
JRJV –
Sorry – I assumed it was stuff you had posted on another site.
I admit – for no good reason I over-defend Moose. I’m afraid he will end of in the Hall of “Very Close” which is too bad because he was clean when a lot of Rockets, I mean pitchers used PEDs, and he has always been a stand up guy.
“so substitute his arm for one of the non control pitchers, he a LHP w/ upside, I can’t believe people here actually compared him w/ Sean Henn”
Substitute a pitcher with no control for another pitcher with worse control?
Fredo,
You are entitled to your opinion, but not your facts.
QS is used as a benchmark for what is considered a solid, good start by a pitcher.
You may be of the opinion that this thresshold is too low, and that’s your right, but the stat exists as is.
ray, what was the difference w/ him and w/ Brian Bruney when he first was a Yankee.
I certainly think it looks that way. I’d hate to think it was not an injury because Britton has proven to be one of the few people in the bullpen that’s capable. It’s just that, for whatever irrational and unprofessional reason, Girardi doesn’t like him.
I’m glad to see Giese come back, he deserved a better shot as long man. It was yet another hairbrained Crashman move that sent him back down earlier this week. We’re a .500 team because of Crashman’s hairbrained moves.
“Exactly. The failures of those kids have killed this team so far. We would be in 1st right now if they didn’t poop the bed.”
It’s part of it
Another thing was that during their starts, the offense was usually terrible (3.56 runs per game during Kennedy’s games, and that’s WITH the 8 run game and the 9 run game; 3.67 runs per game when Hughes pitched)
So those games were usually a combo of bad pitching (be it starter or bullpen) and dead bats; ugly all around.
How is Threets not SEAN HENN by looking at his stats and his scouts profile???
Raise your hand if you had enough of Sean Henn in pinstripes.
Amazing that Ellsbury isn’t more injuried from that, unless they are keeping it somewhat under wraps. It was his glove hand, so it wouldn’t affect his throwing, but it might affect his batting.
There must be something about Britton that just doesn’t do it for the managers. Neither Torre or Girardi seem to want to use him. I thought he did better than some others who were thrown out there.
Hughes and Kennedy have really hurt but the offense was supposed to carry them especially early while the pitching got settled.
We’ve all seen how that worked out.
“Raise your hand if you had enough of Sean Henn in pinstripes.”
Sean Henn stuff wise never had Threet’s arsenal. Never.
does anyone know who is starting for stanford tonight in there game is there a chan ce it might be the lefty the yankees drafted
Rough 2 weeks for the Sox.
Ortiz, Dice K, Ellsbury all going down.
Relying on Colon and Crisp and rookies in the OF. They can feel some of our pain now.
“Sean Henn stuff wise never had Threet’s arsenal. Never.”
Go back and read scouts profile of Mr Henn. He only threw 100mph. But I guess thats not a good arsenal???
Folks, I’m not saying Moose is having a bad year. He has arguably been the Yankees best starting pitcher. Problem is, that’s a bad thing. He’s a low end of the rotation starter and while he’s been effective in that role, you can’t have a low end of the rotation starter be your best guy. That’s a recipe for .500
JRVJ:
I hear what you’re saying, but what you’re telling me is that if a guy can leg out 6 innings at an ERA considerably higher than the league average, he’s had a solid night. Call me crazy if I can’t buy into that.
I think we can do a little better in the bullpen for a lefty than a pitcher who just got DFA’d by the SF Giants.
Girardi – giving it right back to Francessa – good for him.
Brandon,
When Bruney came over he was not immediately put on the Yankees major league roster. Secondly in the minors with the Yankees he at least had a 2:1 SO/BB ratio.
If they could outright Threets to the minors maybe I’d want them to take a flyer on him. Maybe.
“Hughes and Kennedy have really hurt but the offense was supposed to carry them especially early while the pitching got settled.
We’ve all seen how that worked out.”
That’s the most frustrating part of it all; the offense.
The kids sucking? It hurts, but I accept it as a natural part of pro sports. Gotta suck it up and get the experience.
A 900+ run veteran offense from last season now on pace for low 700’s runs this season (…of course, that’s still better than earlier this season)? It frustrates me.
Go Getter -
I would guess that Coco is going to be suspended for 5 – not just the fight, but the BS comments afterwards.
Fredo,
I think we can all agree on that. That Moose SHOULDNT be our best starter when he in theory should be our 4th or 5th. Its great that hes pitching well but it doesn’t say much for our long term prospects if he’s our best pitcher come Sept.
“Go back and read scouts profile of Mr Henn. He only threw 100mph. But I guess thats not a good arsenal???”
pre pro career, while Threets threw at 104 MPH and hit 100 MPH last year.
Can we trade Hawkins for another team’s bat boy ?
I expected the young pitchers to struggle but I thought one of them would win 12 games. Especially Hughes coming off the CLe series.
raymagnetic,
Its funny we were talking the other day of why demote Geise and you responded that there might be a sudden “an injury” soon to bring him back. Fishy to say the least.
“Threets threw at 104 MPH and hit 100 MPH last year.”
I guess he’s Superman throwing 104mph.
Why haven’t you answered this, Brandon. Why is he being DFA’d if he throws so well?
For a guy who throws 104mph his strikeout totals are terrible.
The bullpen really needs the offense to out them on its back while the late innings get sorted out.
a couple of things;
neil, moose is a fa after this year, there is no player or team option.
rasner wont lose his start even if he bombs tonight, b/c horne hasn’t even made his 1st start yet (he goes sunday) and kennedy is at least 2 weeks away.
great year so far for moose, way above my expectations. but a cy young award? not even close!
im just hoping he doenst lose it in late summer like he did in 04, 05 and last year.
“I would guess that Coco is going to be suspended for 5 – not just the fight, but the BS comments afterwards.”
His assesssment of Gomes and Crawford was pretty accurate, though little girls are probably insulted by the comparison. I think he gets the same as Crawford gets. 3-5 games. I don’t think the talking gets him much. Charging there was moronic (he said himself Shields hit him the “right way”) and he’ll get nailed for that.
I really wonder how bad Dice K’s shoulder is. Shoulder injuries with pitchers are always a big risk. He has a lot of pitches on his arm, and as we saw with Posada it can be a lingering injury.
Ortiz is another one that could take a while, and may not be successful. Some Doctors said it should be operated on, but that would pretty much end the season. Tough call. Somewhat like Bruney’s. Though Bruney may make it back this year.
Why would you want a lefty with apparent upside who has failed? Why not get a good lefty who knows how to pitch and get outs??
The system is filled with talent. You use that to fill needs. This is a big one.
I think I read that Crisp is an actual boxer and has had 17 fights. I could have sworn I read that. He had a great dodge of the Shields punch.
I’d be more pissed if I were the Rays watching my pitcher throw punches at a 4th outfielder with his pitching hand!
“That’s the most frustrating part of it all; the offense.”
arod even when he has played is hitting home runs at about half the rate as last year.
i’ve noticed a lot of “helicoptering” with arod which is the bat head twirling above a hitter’s head because he let’s go with his top hand too soon when swinging into the ball.
when letting go at the right time after contact, the bat will wrap around at the shoulder level. it’s very easy to see with arod or any hitter who lets go with one hand.
if you see arod’s left hand above his head on the follow through you know he let go way too soon.
“His assesssment of Gomes and Crawford was pretty accurate, though little girls are probably insulted by the comparison.”
LMAO
It was too bad that Navarro covered Coco on the ground because Gomes looked like he was going to absolutely pound his face in with a hammer blow if he had the opening!
BTW – apparently Coco was an amateur boxer and his dad was a pro!
the pen stinks but look at the stats the offense year to date has been middle of the road at best.
boston has like 60 more runs scored in 60 games…..
Giambi’s #’s are fine, Cano and no jorge and Arod have killed them.. the catchers got 6 RBI’s in the 35 games Jorge misssed, that is not good.
You figure Britton can get hurt fter tonights game!!!!He is better then Hawkins right now, no doubt about it..For some reason they do not give him a chance.He has been in over 40 MLB games with good results…..
“When Bruney came over he was not immediately put on the Yankees major league roster. Secondly in the minors with the Yankees he at least had a 2:1 SO/BB ratio. ”
Bruney: 06′ 6.85 BB9 9.98 K9 1.98 WHIP
Threets: 08′ 8.10 BB9 5.40 K9 2.00 WHIP
not that big a difference, remember Threets was pitching hurt. Although I understand why people wouldn’t add him on the roster. I’m going on the record here he goes to another team and finds himself like Bruney and JC Romero did I’m gonna be pissed off.
coco’s boxing dad’s name was of course “sugar” crisp.
Crisps dad was a boxer no loco coco who started that whole fight.
What if Moose got over the hump and won 20 games this season, something he’s never done. Would be pretty cool if he could do it in what is arguably his last season.
Would be even better if Moose could win 20 this year and help lead the Yankees to a World Series win, another first for him.
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Also, just wanted to hit on something TK in DC was talking about in the last thread…
I completely agree. I can’t remember a sports writer/columnist/reporter with a lack of objectivity quite like Peter Gammons. I was shocked and dumbfounded when neither he nor Mike Greenberg or Mike Golic mentioned a THING about the brawl last night on M&Min the Morning, much less Manny pimp-slappin’ Youkilis in the dugout.
Why even have a ‘baseball expert’ on your radio show if he isn’t going to talk about what was undoubtedly one of the top three stories in the sport within the last 24 hours.
Sure, talk about the draft. Why not bring up The ‘Stache and his Monster Mash?
But to not bring up the Rays/Sox brawl, OR the Manny/Youk spat is downright silly. ESPN is becoming less and less of a place for viewers to get sports news. Without an obvious slant, that is…
“Why haven’t you answered this, Brandon. Why is he being DFA’d if he throws so well?
For a guy who throws 104mph his strikeout totals are terrible.”
he doesn’t throw 104 anymore and I told you he lost his spot, they gave up on him. It’s that simple they can’t send him to the minors he has no options left, they are praying he gets through waivers after the 10 day period.
Personally, I doubt Moose will get 20 this year, but I do think that he’ll get (at least) 15, which is quite a solid accomplishment at this point in his career.
“According to three sources, Manny had raised objections to Youkilis throwing equipment around in the dugout after flying deep to center in the fourth inning, and advised him to “cut that (expletive) out. Youkilis apparently didn’t take kindly to the remark, said something, and Manny swiped at him.”
i wouldnt go paying too much attention to the injuries on the sox myself. we got plenty of problems or our own to deal with. we’re healthy and struggling to stay at .500 and if we stay there, it doesnt matter if the sox never win again cause we’ll be looking up at the rays and the jays.
besides, if nancy drew goes on another tear, he can carry a team for a couple of weeks.
if you’re counting on another team losing to make you a contender, you’re wasting your time.
Great point Jeepers.
The Dice K shoulder thing could really kill the Sox this year. Keep in mind he was what? 8 and 0?? Even with the walks and wildness. The Sox do have some depth though and Colon is pitching well but does Colon scare you?
Now theres a guy A-Rod could smoke in a playoff game. He feasts on Colon.
ESPN has just turned into a giant spin machine.
The majority of the ‘experts’ over there picked the Seattle Mariners, Detroit Tigers and Cleveland Indians to make the playoffs.
“Oh yeah, the wild card will definately come out of the AL Central this year,” Steve Phillips said the night before the season started.
Sure…. I mean hell, why even play the season? Just put SEA, CLE, DET and the BOS in the playoffs and make everyone else go home.
I mean, there’s NO WAY any other team would have a shot!
Great picks, Buster, Steve, Timmay, Karl, Kruk, et al…
“I can’t remember a sports writer/columnist/reporter with a lack of objectivity quite like Peter Gammons.”
Why does this blog get bent out of shape with ESPN and Gammons and Sox bias? Does it really matter? Everyone knows Gammons is a Boston guy. Gammons is positive about pretty much every team. If you read him you would know he loves Jeter, Posada, Mo, A-Rod.
“RHP Chris Britton has been placed on the disabled list with a rib cage strain.”
Rib strain?
Perhaps he strained himself reaching the the extra large Tony Roma’s barbeque ribs?
When has a prediciton in baseball ever come right from “experts”?
Don’t get bent out of shape. Its better to be the “no one believed in us” guys.
Ask Detroit and Seattle and Cleveland how being the favorite helped.
Coco dodged that punch like he was Kelly Pavlik. Which was cool.
Truth time.
We’d all love Gomes if he was a Yankee.
S.O.S,
I knew there would be a mysterious injury but I thought they’d keep as many pitchers in the bullpen as they could. I guess it all works out however because now Giese can stay up to shadow all of Joba’s starts.
“Its better to be the “no one believed in us†guys.”
I like playing the dog. Helps that I’m a Giant fan too.
The Sox have issues this year…
The bullpen has been a mess. Hideki Okajima isn’t the same guy he was last year. Papelbon has gotten lit up a few times. Craig Hansen? Mike Timlin? please.
The starting rotation is a shell of its former self. Blow Hard Schilling is out… Dice-K is injured. Buccholz hasn’t exactly been throwing no-hitters left and right. Beckett’s pitching more like 2006 than 2007.
The offense has been spotty. Ortiz is injured. Now Manny has leg issues.
And to top it all off, they are fighting with each other in the dugout.
Now is the time for the Yankees to try and make up some ground. Especially if the competition is imploding.
Bright side for Britton.
He doesn’t have to travel to Scranton.
PTI was going on yet again about Pierce and his miraculous return to the floor.
On a side note, when Pierce was in college he took a number of acting classes. While he might have been hurt, it was over the top with how he reacted and how he was carried out. Then he went on for 5 minutes about a little scratch and was rubbing his eye after the Kobe foul that was no where near his eye.
Maybe he is going for an academy award for his abilities on the floor.
I’ve had my medial meniscus go. You don’t hop right back up in a minute from that. Either he had a good drug shot or he was faking it. Either way it was over blown.
True Kelvin, true.
“If you read him you would know he loves Jeter, Posada, Mo, A-Rod.”
You’re right about Jeter, Posada, and Mo. But his ‘positivity’ is window dressing. Gammons c-a-n-n-o-t stand NY. Talk to older baseball fans who are familiar with his stuff when he wrote for the Globe.
You are wrong about Arod. Gammons will toss softball questions at Arod if he has to interview him. But it’s clear Gammons doesn’t like Arod.
Betemit’s OPS vs. Davies? 3.000 He’s not playing.
Jeepers–
Remember the playoffs a few years ago, either 03 or 04, when the Celtics were eliminated and Pierce wrapped his head in gauze, b/c he took an elbow from Jermaine O’Neil, in the third quarter?
He’s an actor. A big crybaby!
If I read him? I was reading his baseball notes in the Globe when I was a kid.
And, if you watch him, he can never say anything about the Yankees without talking about the Sox.
Talking about Giambi’s home run yesterday, and he mentions Ortiz and all his career walk-offs.
Talks about Joba, but can’t resist throwing in ‘window dressing’ about Laptops Buccholz. Gammons was once revered for being a prophet re: baseball.
Now he’s a profiteer…
I don’t know about anyone else, but I think ESPNs coverage of the draft was horrible. That’s an improvement over last year which was flat-out horrendous.
If I wasn’t such a fan of baseball, there’s no way I watch 1 second of that thing. I don’t watch basketball at all, but I’ll still peek at the lottery for a few minutes.
Just tuning is so not sure if you heard the good news. SEVEN GAMES FOR THE CEREAL PUNK!!!!!”
I’m pretty sure that I heard Lester got 5.
GOOD GOOD GOOD GOOD GOOD!
Moose winning 20 would be the best way he could possibly go out
I thought Britton would come down with an injury after tonight’s game. Ah well. A vacation to the DL must be welcome for him, since it means he doesn’t need to try to add onto his frequent flier miles…but he will when he goes on rehab assignments.
“And, if you watch him, he can never say anything about the Yankees without talking about the Sox.”
So true. So, So true.
Can I pleas hear him talk about a team’s farm system without him bringing up the Sox young players, please? One time?
watching pti also, how in the world does this clown think rollins’s benching yesterday was a bad thing?
first off, he clearly didnt hustle
second, he said after the game that he deserved it
thirdly, manual benched him and then told the press, ‘its in the past’ and wouldnt discuss it any further
lasty, the phillies won the game!
believe me, i live in philly and i cant find anyone who didnt think it was the right move.
Suspensions…
Crisp for seven games, pitcher Jon Lester for five games and first baseman Sean Casey for three games.
Shields for six games, outfielder Jonny Gomes and pitcher Edwin Jackson for five games, outfielder Carl Crawford for four games and second baseman Akinori Iwamura for three games.
Trisha-have they handed down the punishments to the Rays yet? Anyone else suspended/how long?
Trisha–
Where are you hearing/reading about the Sox suspensions?
Bronxbomber77, yeah, I forgot about that.
When he went down I really felt for him, but when he was out again so quick all I could think of is how Youkilis reacts to everything.
There is no doubt that Pierce is a good player, but while I don’t think he totally faked the injury, I believe he over played it for what it was and knew it would fire up his team. There was no limitations when he went in. None. You don’t have an injury as he describes and have no limitations right afterwards, unless they used a powerful painkiller or it wasn’t serious.
Nevermind then. Wow. The Yankees HAVE to take advantage of playing the Royals and watching some parts from the division leaders get smacked with those suspensions. Looks like Tampa’s going to need 2 spot starters.
im at the game. Royals bp now. Right.behind home plate!
Sean Casey got 3. I didn’t even know he was in the mix!
“Where are you hearing/reading about the Sox suspensions?”
Everywhere. Try boston.com for one source.
Jeepers…
You read Bill Plaschke’s column in the LAT today?
Kills Pierce. Just kills him.
“Suspensions…
Crisp for seven games, pitcher Jon Lester for five games and first baseman Sean Casey for three games.
Shields for six games, outfielder Jonny Gomes and pitcher Edwin Jackson for five games, outfielder Carl Crawford for four games and second baseman Akinori Iwamura for three games.Latroy Hawkins three games.”
REDEMPTION!!!
With the proviso that both Boston and TB will appeal the suspensions (both to shorten them and to stack when people go on suspension), this is not good for either team, asn they will be shorthanded in the coming weeks….
The Sox being down as well as the whole AL for that matter makes the Yanks finding someone in the pen that much more important.
We really got a shot here now that everyone’s healthy to make a run and be the team we all know they can.
But they desperately need arms in that pen and they can’t mess around with it.
Cool, thanks. Been refreshing ESPN trying to find out suspension details.
How is that redemption?
At least the Sox and Rays fought and got dirty. hawkins threw behind a batter and got 3 games. He was better off just throwing hands.
It’s good news for the Yankees, though! We were hoping that Boston and Tampa would be knocking themselves out against each other. I didn’t think it would be that literal, but I’ll totally take it.
Gang, I heard it on WEEI on the way home. They didn’t mention anything about the Ray suspensions.
I am SO happy Lester got 5. Hawkins only got 3 and he threw near someone’s head. I guess that even if you have had a serious illness in the past you really don’t get away with hurling the ball at someone continually after there’s been a huge brawl.
I think those suspensions are light.
Cereal Boy should have gotten 8 minimum because he had been instigating the problem and escallated it. Gomes should have gotten the same because this is a repeat offense of similar nature.
I don’t get why Shields gets one more day than Lester does. Lester hit their batters after this incident.
At the very least they should not reduce the suspensions, just as they did to LaTroy. Uphold the suspensions, or if there are any reductions, Shields gets one day shorter.
Bronxbomber77-look at the MLB homepage. It’s now one of the lead stories at the top.
Pierce totally faked that last night.
I’m torn.
I hate Boston sports but I cannot root for the Lakers.
Lester gets 5 games Big deal he doesn’t even miss a start
they’re killing my fantasy teams, i have iwamura, shields and crawford on my team.
but if it helps the yankees, its okay.
i also have bj ryan, he and shields knocked me out of 1st place yesterday, but it’s all for the greater cause. if only i hadn’t benched giambi when i saw he wasn’t starting!
In additon to the suspension, Crisp was also fined….
Four hundred thousand boxes of Cap’n Crunch!
Bronxbomber77, didn’t read the article, but I heard some quotes from it from the local radio station. Here, in Central NY, most of the talking heads were beating up on Pierce for it. Only one defended him for his acting, saying it fired up his team and the crowd, but still said it was a drama queen act.
Sean Casey was involved?
I can’t wait til the Knicks are back in the NBA Finals. In 20 years.
Suspensions from last night:
Coco Crisp 7 games
Jon Lester 5 games
Sean Casey 3 games
James Shields 6 Games
Johnny Gomes/ Edwin Jackson 5 games each
Carl Crawford 4 games
Akinori Iwamura 3 games
Can you imagine if Yankees were involved?
What I like about the loser Crisp is that hopefully he serves all of them and that’s 7 in a row his hideous skinny little butt is on the bench. Add to that the possibility of Ellsbury being out and Puke standing in the field zoning out because he still can’t believe he’s been bitch slapped, Fat One on the bench eating fries, and Manny being Manny just not in the game – and oh yeah – Matzusucker on the DL – well I think it is a potentially very lovely picture!
Sean Casey??!!??!??
What??
Blargh – didn’t know Casey was either.
I hope that the number of games for the suspensions stand and they are not reduced on appeal.
Sean Casey was involved? What, was he trying to take members of the Rays out to dinner after the game?
Thought he was supposed to be the Mayor… the ‘nice guy’.
…I’m really slow, aren’t I?
Anyone else get the feeling that this is our time to strike and show the league we’re still here and we’re going to be around all year and win this thing?
Rebecca, if the Yankees were involved, they wouldn’t have enough players left to field a team.
Why was Iwamura suspended? Was he involved with the fight? It was hard to see everyone who headed out and got in on things.
Given Youkilis’ reaction to Manny (at least as was reported) I’m surprised Youk wasn’t given a suspension. After all, he was supposedly calling out Manny for not getting out there quick enough. By that I should think that Youk was throwing some punches. No?
Casey proves that once someone dons Red they turn into goons and jerks.
Yeah, Iwamura was definitely in there. I think he was one of the group on top of Crisp and threw a punch a two. I don’t remember seeing Casey in the brawl, but it was such a pile it was hard to pick out all of the faces and uniforms.
“I think what (Crisp) did (Wednesday) was an absolutely dirty move, bush league and not supposed to be in the professional game of baseball… He’s not a professional player. I lost all respect for him… We’ve been getting stomped around the last 10 years and that’s not going to happen any more,” said Shields.
“Given Youkilis’ reaction to Manny (at least as was reported) I’m surprised Youk wasn’t given a suspension. After all, he was supposedly calling out Manny for not getting out there quick enough. By that I should think that Youk was throwing some punches. No?”
Baseball doesn’t enforce what goes on amongst teammates. They can’t “assume” that Youk was pissed at Manny for that. I think Youk just wants teammates there. You don’t have to throw hands but support is called for.
Jeepers, Dave from Boston gave us a different take on the Manny-Puke fight and the reason. If he is around we can see if he has any update.
I feel bad for Iwamura because the punk Crisp is the one who started the whole thing by flying into Iwamura. I just hope Iwamaura got a good punch in.
What really gets me though, its the Rays who have more players who get suspended for a greater total of games than the team whose player instigated everything.
Cereal Boy was the instigator in all this. His fragile ego and feelings caused this to heat up, yet as always its the other team that pays more. Same when they have something between them and the Yankees. I thought there was supposed to be some objectivity here.
all this anti-yankees crap just sound so damn self-pitying. most of it doesnt exsist and even if it did, bring it on!
being a yankees fan means you know most of the baseball fans in the world hate you! that’s the deal, embrace it, dont cry about it!
i say bring it on! i couldnt be happier than when i see nobody pick the yankees to win. when chris russo declared the yankees dead last year, i was jumping with joy!
we’re yankees fans, dammit! people come out of the woodwork hoping thier pathetic excuse for a baseball squad can win one game against us to make thier week!
stop whining that peter gammons or mlb.com or some other joker doesnt like the yankees, who cares about those bozos, they’re just jelous. if you cant handle the hate, dont be a yankee fan, cause it only stops when the yankees stop winning. its part of being a yankees fan, embrace it, LOVE the HATE!
“I think what (Crisp) did (Wednesday) was an absolutely dirty move, bush league and not supposed to be in the professional game of baseball… He’s not a professional player. I lost all respect for him… We’ve been getting stomped around the last 10 years and that’s not going to happen any more,†said Shields.
And you know what? Good for Shields. I couldn’t agree with him more. The Rays have been treated like the ugly stepchildren since they have been around. Go kick ass Rays, I’m right there with you.
Be careful people.
Sometimes a good old fashioned brawl brings a team closer and they start playing winning baseball.
The stars are aligned. This is the perfect time to gain substantial ground. We have the top 2 teams in our division finally losing players to injuries or suspensions. While we have an easy schedule ahead. Its not far fetched to think we can be only a couple games out of first by the end of June. Now is the time.
GO YANKEES!!
Cant immagine playing fantasy baseball. I cant get myself to root for anyone not on the Yankees.
Here’s what I don’t get, re: Manny and Youk:
If, for example, that was me and, say anti-mussina, and I smacked him with a backhand and pushed him into a fence, I would be arrested and thrown in jail.
Now I know that isn’t going to happen, obviously. But how come the MLB doesn’t come down on guys for ‘in-team brawls and fights’?
When Carlos Zambrano beat the hell out of Michael Barrett in the dugout last year, there was nothing. Does MLB leave it up to teams to hand out punishment and discipline action for in-house fights?
Not really fair, no? In my eyes, Manny took a swing (and connected) at one of his teammates. He should be suspended for at least a game.
If you or I did that, at a bar rather than in a dugout, we would have spent the night in jail. The same can also be said if we did that at work. You’d probably be fored as well.
Any ideas? VERY CURIOUS ABOUT THIS?!?!?!?!?
I was a bit surprised Sonnanstine didn’t get suspended, since you could see him throwing some punches. Maybe I missed something…I think I’ll go look over the clip again and see if I can see which players threw punches.
Here’s what I don’t get, re: Manny and Youk:
If, for example, that was me and some stranger and I smacked him with a backhand and pushed him into a fence, I would be arrested and thrown in jail.
Now I know that isn’t going to happen, obviously. But how come the MLB doesn’t come down on guys for ‘in-team brawls and fights’?
When Carlos Zambrano beat the hell out of Michael Barrett in the dugout last year, there was nothing. Does MLB leave it up to teams to hand out punishment and discipline action for in-house fights?
Not really fair, no? In my eyes, Manny took a swing (and connected) at one of his teammates. He should be suspended for at least a game.
If you or I did that, at a bar rather than in a dugout, we would have spent the night in jail. The same can also be said if we did that at work. You’d probably be fored as well.
Any ideas? VERY CURIOUS ABOUT THIS?!?!?!?!?
Hey Y’s Guy, I actually thrive on the being hated aspect. I just don’t like it when it affects the players ability to play the game, like if there are suspensions that actually are not even handed and they affect the Yankees more.
But other than that, I didn’t get the title “arrogant Yankee fan” by worrying about who is down on the Yankees and who doesn’t think they’re worth anything. I’m with you. Bring it on.
Example of in team brawls not effecting teams.
Yanks in 77.
That was the mananger!
Oh i forgot to say.
STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS RED WINGS!! Yeah baby! Been wanting to say that for a couple days now.
Best franchises ever? Try not to be biased.
a. Yankees
b. Celtics
c. Cowboys
d. Lakers
e. Canadians
f. ?
“Sometimes a good old fashioned brawl brings a team closer and they start playing winning baseball.”
While that’s true, you have to have enough players to get close to each other. Between potential suspensions and injuries, Sux may have to default.
On the other hand, if this angers the Rays and gets them playing well I am all for it. I have hated how they have been scorned for so long and virtually ignored as a team. I’m glad to see them playing winning baseball and hope it lasts for them for a long time. Since I am not afraid of any team against the Yankees, well, I’m not afraid of them either. But I am happy for them.
SoS: Globetrotters!
sos, there is no conflict with fantasy baseball, i dont even check how my guys are doing until after i watch the yankees game. and of course i never root for anyone against the yankees.
like i said, i had bj ryan in my lineup yesterday and it didnt even occur to me when i was dancing after the giambi home run that ryan was one of my guys. fantasy baseball will never interfere with being a yankees fan.
I agree re: the Manny/Youk incident. While it is in their dugout, both should be suspended for fighting. I don’t care what team it is. Even if it were Yankees who were doing it, there should be no tolerance from MLB for fighting.
Now I want to see that these suspensions are upheld and not reduced. Gomes and Cereal Boy at the very least should get the full time.
personally, i love the hate… just means that your team is doing good
Y’s guy,
Totally agree with you. I dont mind everyone rooting against us. I look at it as a sign of their jeolousy,envy and respect. Lets not become what our hated rivals were for years. Start feeling sorry for ourselves and hoping someone is their to listen.
“I am SO happy Lester got 5. Hawkins only got 3″
Trisha –
FYI – The Lester suspension is like a one game suspension – because he is a starter and only pitches 1 time in 5 games.
The equivalent to Hawkins suspension would be 10 games – give or take because of the way relief pitchers and starting pitchers are used.
I also agree with what Shields said. I think the whole team is feeling the frustrations of years, and now that they are actually in contention, they seem like they are ready to be the bad boys.
Trouble is when you get too much of a reputation like that. I don’t mind hard nosed play, but don’t step over the line.
Man United
No.2 franchise
A. Yankees … we’ve just dominated so many different periods of time in history … not even close i think
btw, i live in philadelphia and have a huge GIANTS ny on the back of my car! (next to the tophat & bat)
BRING IT ON!
Lester should have gotten 25 games He is a starter an only pitches every 5 days
Y’s Guy,
It i ever got myself to root for other players before,during or after yankee games. I would have to use the A.P.B.B. RULE.
ANY PLAYERS BUT BOSTONS
Would forfeit the points.
“Sometimes a good old fashioned brawl brings a team closer and they start playing winning baseball.”
I think the word there would be ‘continue,’ not ’start.’ They’ve already got one of the best records in baseball right now, and they’re deep enough to weather all of these suspensions and injuries. Note that after the losses of both Matsuzaka and Ortiz (their second best starter and hitter), they just continued winning, including a sweep of the best team in the AL. I wouldn’t sit around waiting for them to go on a 2-8 run.
The Yankees have to keep playing well off yesterday’s win. That’s all that matters right now.
Bomber,
Sports is different than a bar fight between two drunks randoms. Teammates getting into a fight is par for the course. They aren’t breaking bottles over their heads. Usually cooler heads prevail and they kiss and make up.
But you can’t treat it like a police action. Unless it goes above and beyond. Like when Romanowski punched his teammate I think in Oakland. Really messed him up. He sued him.
It does happen.
But I’m sure when the Boston beat writers ask Youk and Manny today what is going on they will say “Taken care of”
“If, for example, that was me and some stranger and I smacked him with a backhand and pushed him into a fence, I would be arrested and thrown in jail.”
I don’t know about you, but I couldn’t hit anyone hard enough with a backhand to allow anyone to put me in jail. But hey, I’m not Bruce Lee or anything
Remind me never to disagree with you again!
We can’t get caught up in the Sox plight. Confucius is not only wise he is right.
It is about us and us playing winning baseball.
“btw, i live in philadelphia and have a huge GIANTS ny on the back of my car! (next to the tophat & bat)’
You wouldnt happen to be related to that girl in invincible?
I love Man U
TKinDC – I hear what you’re saying about the relativity of the suspensions. I didn’t think of it that way, re: Lester v. Hawkins.
“…and they’re deep enough to weather all of these suspensions and injuries.”
And you know this how?
“Note that after the losses of both Matsuzaka and Ortiz (their second best starter and hitter), they just continued winning, including a sweep of the best team in the AL.”
I wouldn’t get too carried away with the Matzusucker analogy since he hasn’t been down long enough to make a real difference and he affects the team only once very 5 days. About the Fat One? It’s still early.
“I wouldn’t sit around waiting for them to go on a 2-8 run.”
And that is the beauty of varying opinions. I will wait around for that 2-8 run. I know the psyche of the Sux. I’ve grown up with it. Now that they have quite a few more of their pieces taken off the board, I will watch for them to start on a skid in the very near future.
It absolutely matters to me that the Sux get crushed like bugs. It matters greatly. I love every bad thing that ever happens to them. It makes my day.
On the other hand, I don’t worry about the Yankees since I know them well enough to know that I don’t have to worry.
So since that gives me time on my hands to do something, I think I’ll wait around for that 2-8 skid.
I just think that if two players on the same team are going to fight in the dugout, ie The Big Z/Barrett, Bonds/Kent, and Manny/Youk, then they should get penalized.
When its behind closed doors, players parking lot, in the clubhouse, etc, then no problem.
But if its in the view of fans, kids, and not to mention, the media and TV cameras, then they should get slapped with a suspension. You throw a punch in a public place, in view of cameras, then they should get suspended.
Just my opinion.
And about the Sux sweeping the Rays? I wish someone had knocked little Coco off his feet since his chicken ass play two days in a row is the reason that the Rays starter was pulled in the 2nd inning. Sweep indeed. Perhaps if the situation had been reversed the Sux pen would not have been able to hold back the Rays offense for 7 innings either. Not rocket science there.
“It absolutely matters to me that the Sux get crushed like bugs. It matters greatly. I love every bad thing that ever happens to them. It makes my day.
On the other hand, I don’t worry about the Yankees since I know them well enough to know that I don’t have to worry.”
Another prime example of a classless Yankees fan. Ruining the good name of Yankees fans everywhere everytime she opens her mouth.
How y’all allow Trisha in here is beyond me. I catch dumb everytime I forget to scroll past her garbage and read it accidentally!
I’m delighted Lester got 5, although I felt he should have been ejected after hitting the first batter after both teams were warned.
How can anyone defend Peter Gammons? The man’s style goes against everything a reporter is supposed to stand for!
Wow I am really chastened. Check out my tagline. How’s that for honesty!!!
i may not always agree with trisha, but i always hate her troll.
Let’s get a win today.
Rebecca,
Does Ronaldo sign with Real or stay?
I’m kinda worried.
Lester hit 2, threw behind one batter and nerly hit one in the head
You know the drill. Per Pete, Ignore them and they will go away.
I can only apologize for being a troll magnet! Other than that, I kind of enjoy making grown men cry. It’s like that feeling of enjoying being hated. No big deal whatsoever.
Trisha said
“I am SO happy Lester got 5. Hawkins only got 3″
“TKinDC – I hear what you’re saying about the relativity of the suspensions. I didn’t think of it that way, re: Lester v. Hawkins.”
huh?
Yeah but Lester’s a nice guy, he didn’t mean it, he plays for the Red Sox and he’s a cancer victim.
Lester hit 2, threw behind one batter and nearly hit one in the head
You too are a tool as well, bronxbomber77.
BB77, trisha, SJ44, Brandon, CB, Nick in SF. All a bunch of fools that think they know more than they do.
I hate you!
The problem with the Rays is there is a different between, we think we are tough guys and we want to show people that we are major leaguers…and being dirty. Getting into fights with the Yanks and Sox is not going to get anyone brownie points. Even Sox fans were saying that what happened in spring training with Cervilli and the Rays was disgusting. Shields said we are going to prove to people that we are tough and wont be pushed around by anyone. There attitudes are digusting and it all starts with there manager…He handled himself terribly threw both fights.
Hey !
I have a troll ! How I’ve awaited this day !!!!
TK, that means that I didn’t think of it in the way of suspensions for starters relative to suspensions for relievers and how the 5 to 3 ratio really had no relevance since relievers are much more apt to be needed in games and starters are only around once very 5 games.
In other words, as I said, I agree with what you said.
What a minute and Lester wans’t thrown out of the game?
Go Getter: I hope he stays, but I can see him going–Spain’s a lot closer to home, and while there are little similarities between Portugese and Spanish (trust me, I’ve heard them both), there are a lot more cultural similarities than with Portugal and England.
I hate the redsox with a passion… You go girl !
Lester was not thrown out of the game. I don’t think he was even warned, though I am not sure about that.
Almost game time! Lets start a win streak here boys ! ! ! Won 2 in a row, lets use and abuse those Kansas City Royals and see if they can jack it up to a 5 or 6 game win streak !
Cool Trisha -
Go YANKS!!!!!
Now is where we go on a big streak – Royals, A’s , Colt 45’s, (kickin old school) and Padres? Smells like a big move up the standings to me!!!
So I was just paging through the list of players drafted looking for some guys I know when I came upon a kid that was drafted in the second round out of my high school. Jason Knapp. Now I’m curious, can anyone tell me anything about the kid? I had no idea there was a big time prospect coming out of my HS.
Audio from Cole and Oppenheimer now available in this post.
I like Gammons. What baseball fan doesn’t? You got to get over his Boston thing and appreciate him for what he is. One of the best inside baseball guys ever. Yes. Ever. Hence that HOF plaque he has.
YankeesTech, the best part of it is that Sux fans (except for the real vanilla brand) feel exactly the same way about the Yankees. They basically make my skin crawl (the team that is, though the fans are no great prize either!)
GO MARINERS!!!
GO YANKS!!!
No Lester was not tossed, after the warnings he was allowed to hit two batters, throw behind a batter and throw one up in the head zone.
No-hit Lester was just wild, there was no intent.
Yeah that’s pretty disgusting Rhapsody. I was just listening to Remy and he said he thought that Lester had the best chance of beating the suspensions because he was not tossed out of the game.
What a joke that would be.
So there are trolls that post here that are just against the yankees…and there are also trolls for people that post on this blog?
Wacky stuff y’all. Kinda sad actually.
Let’s go Rasner! Dear Yankees offense, score lotsa runs.
Wait. Cole’s father is from Syracuse and he grew up a Yankee fan?
Is Cole single? Is he good looking?
Going to eat dinner, back soon
What is with the Red Sox obsession with some people on this blog?
The Yankees have their team together, they have a series they can do some damage in and they just had a very interesting draft.
Yeah plus he’s a cancer victim.
What a farce. I’ve been angry all day because Lester wasn’t tossed. Consider how well the Yankees have treated.
How about Clemens last year hitting Rios after Alex was hit, then both Torre and Clemens were suspended.It’s about time we had some consistency from Watson and the umps.
I was just listening to Remy and he said he thought that Lester had the best chance of beating the suspensions because he was not tossed out of the game.
When people talk about our pitching, they are not taking into account the poor defense that has led to both EARNED and Unearned runs. Last night, Melky probably cost us 5 runs (with Wangs help, granted), 4 of which were earned. Poor defense AND not great defense (which other teams often have against us) gives up runs, frustrates a pitcher, leads to many more pitches thrown, and an earlier exit for our SP, and thusly a more overused BP.
We have seen what Melky’s glove in CF (compared to JD or GOB) have done, and especially his arm. Cano is our only excellent fielder, and his mental lapses detract from his overall performance. ARod, Melky and JD (in LF) might be slightly above average. The other 5 positions range from slightly below average (posada, Abreu) to stinks (Giambi, Jeter).
I’ll bet if we went over this season game by game, there are at least 4 games that were lost on defense. We could easily be 34-26, 2.5 games out of 1st, 1 game out of the WC.
This has a HUGE effect of a pitchers numbers, especially compared to pitchers who play with an above average defense. It is part of the reason why over the last 4 years, a number of pitchers seem to have underperformed as Yankees. Our D is really hurting our pitching.
I am getting a little tired of Girardi benching a starter almost every day. Sometimes its Giambi..sometimes Damon..sometimes Matsui..even when they are hot. I don’t get it. I guess I can let this one go by though, because yesterday was Jorge’s first day back. I just want to see the lineup being the best it can be.
Not exactly an obsession Pete talking about a bench clearing brawl and the punishments that have meted out in result.
Pete stumped Cole….LOL
i dont like everybody thinking the royals suck and can’t beat us. the we we have been playing, anybody can beat us. i’m not counting on anything here, i expect 4 tough games here.
“Lester was not thrown out of the game. I don’t think he was even warned, though I am not sure about that.”
Warnings were issued, but Lester didn’t get tossed anyway. Suspension was right.
Gomes and suzy Crawford should have gotten more. Maddon should have gotten something too.
Sorry, I don’t know about the kid out of your high school. I was happy to see a couple of the kids from my high school’s baseball team get drafted, since I actually got to see them play last year.
zell, have you looked at the birthdates on this roster lately? look at what he’s getting out of giambi, damon and matsui, who have had alot of injury problems over the past few years and you can see that the rest is helping alot.
“What is with the Red Sox obsession with some people on this blog?”
I live for their destruction. But that well predates your blog. I don’t ever have any difficulty with some Yankee fans obssession with Mets, nor did it bother me when the whole Willie thing was occupying this blog, so I can’t really understand, first, why someone would have a whit of difficulty figuring out any Yankee fans’ disdain of the Sux, and secondly why it would surprise anyone to see it surface on a Yankee blog. Maybe you’d have to live near them to understand it.
Of course I know since journalists are such huge first amendment people that the last thing you would try to do is to discourage that kind of expression…
I have this ambivalence that happens when we face weak teams. I wish it wasn’t part of me but it is. It kills me for KC that their record is so terrible. I always used to feel that way about the Rays too. So when those bad teams continue to get hurt, it bothers me. That of course is at total loggerheads with knowing we want and need the Yanks to win.
I HATE that ambivalence!
Imagine being 18 years old and being interviewed by 12 skeptical grown men??
Cole did fine.
Nice start by Rasner.
Boston down 2-0 in the first to Seattle!! Oh yeah. Sorry Pete we shouldnt be obsessed with the sox.
Rhapsody do fines typically accompany suspensions? I read on another forum that all of the suspended players from last night’s brawl were also fined.
“Boston down 2-0 in the first to Seattle!! Oh yeah. Sorry Pete we shouldnt be obsessed with the sox.”
Hey, that can’t be true!
Confucius say Sux have lot of depth…
“What is with the Red Sox obsession with some people on this blog?”
just because you don’t hate them doesn’t mean that we don’t.
the yankees also happen to be 6 1/2 games behind them.
Yank fans are obsessed with Boston. Sox fans obsessed with NY. You can’t explain it, Pete.
It is also why your blog gets so much traffic, ESPN is so big and the Yanks are worth a solid billion.
alomst had the anti-hit and run dp there, 2b was covering and the ball was to his side, just too fast! thats just luck and we’ve been getting a ton of bad luck so there’s some good luck and we’re set up!
Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!
Aha Fatolo Colon pitching. I really have been waiting for those wheels to fall off.
did oppenheimer really just say the guy from creighton … patrick venditte… can throw both right and left ???
someone please get some more info on this.
a quick search on google didn’t bring back much.
i’ve always thought about this when i found out about billy wagner.
doubt a person could make it to mlb with both arms, but isn’t it crazy to imagine ???
There is pictoral evidence of the Gerrit Yanks fandom go to StarLedger link on the right they actyally ran a picture of him back in the 2001 world series he was 11 holding a sign Yankees fan today, tomorrow, forever
damn, the real dp there.
Yeah, the Yanks drafted him last year in the late 40s rounds (I think it was 48). He has a glove with 6 finger holes that he uses and adjusts which hand he is going to use to pitch by what hitter is coming up.
Why wasn’t Alex running on that? He wasn’t even in the frame when they threw to first and he’s not slow.
Dang, if I’d have known that, I would have hopped in the car and driven out to Fullerton to watch. Actually, I probably could leave right now and see it…
Jeter,
Yes its true. i heard last year that he could throw from both sides. Maybe he could teach Igawa how to throw from the right side. Cant get any worse.
Bad AB by Alex there. Need to get that run in.
Would a fly ball kill A-Rod sometimes?
Ok. He’s due. You heard me.
Jeter 2007
I googled “Patrick Venditte switch pitcher” and I got a lot of return on it.
Why don’t they bench Cano?? He does not contribute to the team and he HURTS the team with his shoddy defense!!
fyi
venditte
http://www.collegebaseballinsi.....ditte.html
“Yank fans are obsessed with Boston. Sox fans obsessed with NY. You can’t explain it, Pete.”
Hmmm. I think it actually started with the sale of one Babe Ruth and took on a life of its own when he became the greatest player that ever lived and help stick it to his former team year after year after year.
You know, the House that Ruth Built and all?
Steph,
Who?
You in the O.C.? Im in riv. county.
“Why wasn’t Alex running on that? He wasn’t even in the frame when they threw to first and he’s not slow.”
In his defense it was bang bang.
wish we got something from that.
c’mon Rasner
S.o.S.27
I think you just figured out the problem. He is a righty!!
Alex giveth, and Alex taketh
Rasner looks good through 2. Nice play by Arod.
nice pick there by A-Rod
Gotta grab some car time, as the Hawk would say!
GO YANKS!!!
GO MARINERS!!!
GO GIANTS!!! (the football kind that is. Just thought I’d play into what someone called Pete’s obssession.)
I’m in the LA area. You’re in Riverside? Hop on the 91 and take a trip down to Goodwin to watch him as well! I went over to see my Bruins play Fullerton, which was a real delight. I’m not sure if I’ll be able to go to the game tonight, but it would be neat.
If I can’t go to the game tonight, I’ll probably see if I can go to their next game.
Is Arod reverting back to 06? He could have 50 ribis with all the runners in scoring position this year. Maybe he needs to revisit his shrink or pretend he has an out clause. Which gave him the i dont give a damn attitude last year.
Jennifer,
Could Pavs be as well? Forget i asked. Id prefer not seeing him pitch.
Rasner starting impressively…nice to see!!!
Thinking Pete was “yanking our chain” with the BoSox obsession remark…I DETEST EVERYTHING N.E. (and I’m a die hard Raiders fan also who had to endure the Tuck Rule game)…damn, I may have to even root for Kobe.
Giambi should come out to “The Thong song”
Cano needs to start playing to his abilities…he’s killing my fantasy teams…thought this would be the year he challenged for an MVP.
Steph,
Who’s on first? Whats on second? I dont know who your talking about.
I have a full plate. Have fun watching ??
crisp leaves 3 on base!
“I’m a die hard Raiders fan also who had to endure the Tuck Rule game”
The Tuck Rule game was utter crap. Friggin Pats.
Go Giants!
Haha, I thought that you said you were over in Riverside. Or are you just in the IE area?
I think I’ll try to go to the next Fullerton-Stanford game since it doesn’t look like I’ll be going tonight. Ah well.
huh, Chris Britton?!
You can’t sprain fat, thats unpossible.
swingin’ chuckie,
i keep trying to get cano on my team but the guy wont trade.
“thought this would be the year he challenged for an MVP.”
Till he learns how to be patient. I cant see that happening.
We can also put to rest the Carew comparisons. I was young when watching Carew. But im sure he didnt think every pitch was a strike.
4 groundouts to the middle infield so far.
keep it going Raz, they’ll pick you up!
if anyone wants to see what a real great young pitcher looks like turn on the Giant game. Lincecum is fun to watch. This is how I thought Hughes would be.
At least Joba is this.
“damn, I may have to even root for Kobe.”
Hell no. This is the first and only time ill be rooting for Boston. SPURS fan and anyone who plays vs. Kobe.
Steph,
Im in Temecula,riv county.
We’ve all learned our lesson about giving A-Rod crap. Everyone fails 70% of the time. He’s too good to keep this up so expect a hot streak.
Lincecum is on my fantasy team.
The audio – especially the Oppenheimer one – is greatly appreciated, Pete. For what it’s worth, I think the Yankees had a pretty solid draft, all things considered, and I can’t wait until the International Free Agents: there’s a great crop of players this year, and the Yankees are bound to bring in a good haul there (Inoa, I’m looking at you).
sidney ponson is up for grabs. should we give it a shot again?
So Cole is a born Yankee fan.
Heres a trade proposal for you. Hughes for Buchholtz. Clay is a yankee fan and Hughes is a red sox. Just saying.
Is anyone having problems with MLB.com? I can’t get the page to load fully.
“sidney ponson is up for grabs. should we give it a shot again?”
I thought he was already with us? #47? He just went on the d.l. with a fantom injury.
3-0 Seattle. Talking about a good D. Boston has 3 errors in the first 3 innings.
Nice work by Rasner.
The Sox are putting on a show defensively, aren’t they? 3 errors in 3 innings.
Laura – I just tried MLB.com and the same thing happened to me.
Do we not all think Cano (based on his progress before this year) is a serious .320, 30, 120 threat…and soon?
IMO, that’ll get you consideration for the MVP…although, I agree that just a touch of patience would do wonders…really worried about Kevin Long.
The Tuck Rule was the most bogus call ever in an NFL game…let alone a playoff game…anyone with an ounce of football knowledge saw that as a FUMBLEEEEEEEEEEEE.
Lincecum is on 1 of my 4 fantasy teams…kid is AMAZING.
You REALLY have to admire the tenacity of Rasner tonight!!!
MLB’s homepage is loading for me…
2 of the 3 errors are from Colon. I think hes trying to keep his era down.
Maybe he’s trying to emulate a quote by Reggie Jackson: “Only way I’m going to win a Gold Glove is with spray paint.”
How – how fast was the bottom of the third?
King Felix is giving me indigestion…giving up singles and walks but no runs thru 3.
sweet, I want to see Bleich pitch.
go mariners
“MLB’s homepage is loading for me”
Well, you are doing better than I am. I hope I’m not missing anything.
I see that Crisp got 7 games. No word on suspensions for TB yet.
why expend your energy rooting for the mariners?
means nothing unless we win.
arod’s dp is the game so far…
Fran, did you ever get it to load?
Rasner is more and more impressive with each outing.
He throws strikes. He doesn’t get rattled with runners on base. His delivery is solid and he throws with ease, and his ball has good movement.
Not too much to complain about there. Anyone that thinks Kennedy is taking his spot in the rotation whenh he returns from injury is delusional. Kennedy should spend the year at AAA and gain more experience. He was obviously rushed.
espn has the suspensions for both teams.
PopUpRod hit into a DP? That’s worse than the pop ups. Not sure what’s up with him. We need to get Minky back here. A-Rod is lonely.
Suspensions were handed down for Tampa as well. 5 players suspended for the Rays, 3 for the Sox.
Last time I checked Alex isn’t the only player on the team.
Arod can he get a big hit??
just a question, or maybe just hit the ball to the real outfield with a man on 3rd and less then 2 outs..
Look at what Maddon said about the suspensions:
“I want to be very clear: I defend everything our guys did,” Rays manager Joe Maddon said before Friday night’s game at Texas. “I feel actually proud of the way we handled the situation that was presented.”
This guy is a frackin’ idiot. He’s proud that he’s managing a bunch of thugs who hit a guy when he’s being pinned down on the ground? Loser.
Can’t believe yanks have only 2 hits against this guy..WTF
Can someone explain to me how Cole can already have an agent if he is an amateur? I thought according to NCAA rules you are not allowed to have an agent and still remain NCAA eligible.. I that why he kept using the term advisor rather than agent??
Maddon is proud of the fighting and punching? I knew he was bonkers after he was happy with the Cervelli play, but the Sox-Rays display was terrible…and he’s proud of that? Is he managing the new division of pro boxing or something and recruiting his players?
arod missed an easy dp there, but he got the lead guy, which is what you want.
Smart baseball. Rasner’s not the best pitcher you’ll ever see, but he’s smart.
Why didn’t MLB suspend him?
big escape there, here we go on offense, about to bust out a big win here.
“How – how fast was the bottom of the third?”
Do we all remember in the recent past when we were the most patient hitting team in MLB? (And one of the most successful.)
Do we need a new hitting coach?
Pats opened their mandatory mini-camp per ESPN…Rodney Harrison is a PUNK.
5-0 Seattle…Ichiro…middle of 4th.
Olivo looking like Millar tonight…Rasner is hanging TOUGH, baby!!!
Anyone atching YES please give updates on cool plays…I’m in FLA and cannot get da Yanks.
from ESPN
Three Red Sox got suspended: Crisp for seven games, pitcher Jon Lester for five games and first baseman Sean Casey for three games.
Five Rays were penalized by Major League Baseball disciplinarian Bob Watson: Shields for six games, DH-outfielder Jonny Gomes and pitcher Edwin Jackson for five games each, outfielder Carl Crawford for four games and second baseman Akinori Iwamura for three games.
Red Sox are losing 5-0. Knowing SEA, they will probably blow that lead.
Rasner…. dance like a butterfly, sting like a bee !!!!!
Change the Generation Trey. To
Fearsome four or Fab 4
Rasner is very impressive. Poised and capable. Just what Hughes and Kennedy may yet be.
get to work bats!
ok this makes no sense to me. They have a problem when you get upset about an at bat because iot may show you being selfish BUT they have no problem when you stare at a long ball and watch it go out or even worse stare at a ball that you think is going to go out but doesnt so you only end up with a single
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3429644
Basically, an adviser cannot speak to MLB terms in representation of a player without risking his NCAA eligibility. I don’t think high school players can have an agent without losing their NCAA eligibility. As soon as a person steps foot in the classroom, they’re committed to college.
Seattle has a lot of confidence vs. Boston and the Yankees own them, go figure.
Pete said the other day that Joba, Phil and IPK should be made to watch video of Moose’s start the other day. Same thing with Rasner’s start so far tonight. He doesn’t have the same stuff as these three guys, but he understands how to pitch – quickly, changing speeds, and throwing strikes. He isn’t afraid to challenge the hitters. A clinic.
Go Bob Watson.
I hope IPK and Hughes are watching everytime Rasner and Andy and Moose pitch. And Rivera. Absolute clinics on guts and pitching.
I still can’t see the game. I hope I’m not missing anything.
“and first baseman Sean Casey for three games.”
I wonder why he was suspended. I don’t remember seeing him doing anything during the fight. He should appeal. The rest didn’t get suspended enough.
Laura – I never got it to load, did you?
Laura – I never got it to load, did you?
I found a nice article to explain advisor/agent: http://www.hsbaseballweb.com/p.....visors.htm
Is this one of those cases where the Yankees have never faced this guy so they can’t get any hits off of him?
No, Fran. I’m still w/o the game. This is why I have to move back to the NY area. MLB.tv blows!! Well, when it’s not working. LOL!
How the hell is this loser pitching a 3 hitter against us? Did someone send a memo to the Yankees and tell them they had a game tonight.
i like damon shovelpassing the ball to melky there, that stopped the guy from moving up!
Yanks have faced Davies before…A-Rod hit #500 off him.
nice scoop cano!
Try mlb.tv through espn.com. That works for me.
Is it me, or have the Yankees been extremely accurate on calling pitch outs this season?
Good call by Molina on the pitchout!
maybe joe g. had kc’s speed in mind when he benched jorge tonight! wouldnt be suprised to see posada dh twice this series.
that is not Davies that is Clemens against the sleepwalking team…
the royals have a good pen, guys…..
crisp game by the yanks.. good d and situational hitting, man they look good tonight!!!!!!!!
No dice on MLB.tv. I’m watching the game via ESPN’s Gamecast. I actually prefer it to MLB.com GameDay.
mel always called the pitchouts when he was pitching coach, id expect girardi calls them now.
Ouch…that must have hurt. Poor Molina.
man, down 1-0 in the 4th and it starts…
ye of little faith…
giambi throws like my daughters….
can the yanks wake up, please….
Yanks loosing 1-0 to KC. They need to score some runs here. I really thought that the Yanks would come out on fire tonight – they look flat.
Rasner deserves our praise so far in ‘08…definitely maximizes his marginal pitching talent…everyone hoping that our youngsters are watching (Raz, Mussina & Mo) closely are 100% correct!
there we go robbie, nice hit!
Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!
Cano needs to take a couple of pitches…work the count…and start a helluva rally!
Thanks Steph!!
Ladies and Gentlemen, please meet the real Robbie Cano, dontcha know.
Good bunt Molina, let’s get this game tied!
ONE guy can bunt!
molina can bunt he played for the angels……
Stuart…so true
No problem.
The Yanks have to get Cano in.
When are we going to start getting runners in from 3rd with less than two out, just awful
I would love nothing more than to get this run in.
I think bunting this early in the AL is a mistake…it’s not like Raz is dominating…IMO, we’ll need at least 4 to get the W.
This does not make me happy. Especially as that’s likely to be Robby’s only hit of the game
Ugh…back to work for Rasner. Looks like he’ll have to hold them again.
Gotta give Davies credit, Damon has been on fire until tonight.
Runner at 3rd with one out and not score. The New York Yankees
productive bunch tonight…
more clutch hitting..
why dont they blame it on Joba being in the rotation tonight?
davies is Clemens didn’t you know, and our pen will have to pitch at least 3 innings….
Who are these idiots that show up during the game to make comments that make no sense? Unless a game is in progress you guys don’t ever post. Just shut up.
You all know who you are.
Ugh. Why is it so hard to score a run
Next time
“Imagine being 18 years old and being interviewed by 12 skeptical grown men??
Cole did fine.”
in this case even better since he’s 17 yrs. old Gerrit was born in Aug. 8th, 1990
That’s the second time tonight the Yanks could not get the runner in from 3rd with less that 2 outs. Need to be able to get at least a sac fly.
rasner has given up 8 hits and 4 doubles..
this game is in jeapordy…
Rasner is giving up a lot of doubles.
The Yankees have to be the worst team in baseball at getting a runner in from 3rd with less than 2 outs…and does Rasner know he doesnt have to give up a double to start every inning…what a joke of a game this has been very unwatchable
Gotta get Rasner to pitch 1 run 6 inning ball.
But the offense needs to do something. Maybe Arod will hit a 2 run homer in the bottom of the inning.
yech yech… someone tell COne Rasner is not exactly killing it tonight..
he has been lucky so far…
10 hits….
Wow, the Royals are an awesome team. Making the Yankees look horrible tonight.
Uh Oh
Come on Rasner!
For those watching on MLB TV… back up an running.
Beautiful play by Cano. I’ll take the double outs for the run.
The Royals have lost 11 straight road games. The will eventually have to win one. The Yankees don’t seem to want to hit tonight so that streak could end tonight, that is, unless Giambi is waiting for the 9th.
…And I get angrier.
Dang. I really don’t like Gordon tonight.
The offense is a huge concern here. No power at all.
The pitching isn’t good enough to carry us. We need the O to carry us.
Two absolutely brutal at bats to start this inning, Alex needs to get a two out rally going
good AB by Bobby.
Good Evening Folks!
Let’s get some runs now!
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
Folks, I’m not able to watch the game and am checking in from the mean streets of Richmond, CA. I was hoping for a score of 8-1 Yankees when I looked, only to find it 1-0 KC when 2 on and none out. From that intro to the game, 2-0 KC is sad but not as bad as it could be.
It shouldn’t be such a surprise for the Yanks to be struggling vs. Kyle Davies. I know the Braves (or at least a couple Braves fans I know) were very high on him at one point, he does have the talent to throw some good innings, just as the Yanks have the proclivity to crumble against unfamiliar arms.
This too shall pass!
Woohoo! Now I can see the Yankee’s lackluster offense with my own eyes.
Wow, SEA is up 7-0.
another man left in scoring position…that makes 5!
what is it w/ this entire team when it COMES TO HITTING W/ RISP !!!!
Laura – must have been that eruption from their manager.
Did you hear that the GM went into the locker room, made every player stand in front of his locker and answer for his production this year?
And people spout off about Hankenstein?
funny
I wonder what Sexson’s response was. When was the last time he was productive, anyway? Little League?
This game is making my head hurt. Not getting those runs in with less than 2 outs is a seriously tiring trend.
jeez, why cant Ras get any run support lately?!
Man this offense really seems to shut down when Rasner pitches. It’s a shame he’s in danger of dropping to .500 with a 2.7 ERA.
5 RISP and no runs… not good.
jeeeeesus
Rasner is giving us everything, so why are we giving him nothing?
“Did you hear that the GM went into the locker room, made every player stand in front of his locker and answer for his production this year?”
Yes, I did. I found it funny that talking to the media is considered cruel and unusual punishment.
Where’s our buddy, Scooter? He should be sitting on top of that foul pole.
Rasner is turning into Wang. Usually, Wang holds the opponent to 2-3 runs, but doesn’t get any run support.
2 runs in 7 innings…Rasner is doing his job…
Can the Yankee offense do theirs?
Go Yanks!
Runs, please.
Games like this go far to explain why we’re .500.
From an offensive standpoint, anyway.
p.s. 2 runs through 7 innings from Rasner should be enough for the Yanks to deliver a lead to the un-Joba, WTF! I blame the bats.
Impressive night from Ras:
7 IP, 104 PC, 9 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 4 K
Now, lets pick ‘em up BOYS!!!
Get the man some runs
Agreed, pete…the bunt is stupid…with a guy on 2nd base ? there is no threat of a DP…giving up the out is moronic…Bonehead move, Joe…and you got what you deserved outta that…..This team loses to the freakin’ Royals AT Yankee Stadium at this point in the season, with the only person really out being Posada….we are NOT back yet and it is pathetic that this almost quarter of a BILLION dollar team can’t beat one of the worst teams in baseball….We better see a comeback or I am going to me so frickin’ pissed !
I agree with the bunt. it was 1 – 0 at the time and Molina cannot hit.
Molina should be pinch hit for with Jorge next AB..
the offense is asleep for a change but hell the guys are still smiling out there getting ready to deposit another check……
rasner done for the night 2 runs is more then a good job from him… nice discipline last inning jeter swinging at the first pitch shoulder level, yeah and nice discipline by abreu..
boston is losing to King felix we are losing to queen davies…
“Games like this go far to explain why we’re .500.
From an offensive standpoint, anyway”
Someone please tell Kevin Long that we’re hiring Toyota Salesman in Orlando!
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Do you realize that this bum had a careed 6.16 ERA coming into tonight’s game…and we can’t even score ONE D@MN RUN ?…these Yankees tonight are showing that they REALLY are leaving it all on the field tonight, huh ? WAKE UP, YOU NANCIES,,,TIME TO ACTUALLY EARN YOUR PAY !!!
career
any of you guys having trouble with mlb.com or gameday??
pinch hit now, molina adios..
See what happens when he waits for a good pitch to hit?
OK,,what is this garbage ? Why isn’t Jorge pinch hitting ??? WTH ??????
So see this is why we don’t want to put Robby on the trash heap…
You never know when one swing can turn things around.
Anyway, a bloop and a blast, or some combination thereof.
It is definitely a slow game for the Yanks when I laugh at Michael Kay saying that Giambi waved at a pitch. Considering how the offense has been, I wouldn’t be surprised if the players waved as the pitches went by.
Hey, whaddya know? Cano with another double. Time to turn this one into a run.
No problems with MLB.tv over here.
Come on Wilson, you slug !
Steph –
Sorry I was away – SEXSON was the one Mariner who walked out of the clubhouse during this “exercise”.
if I was a player – I would have done the same thing, with my cell phone out calling my agent to trade me to somewhere where the team has a clue.
i had robbie all day!
Let’s Go Yankees!
damn that’s just bad luck there
Come on, Melky. Deliver!!
BRILLIAN MOVE THERE, JOE….!!! Wilson is a much better hitter than Jorge….Is Posada NOT going to be catching next inning ??? Why the HELL was Wilson even IN the batter’s box ???
Haha, the last person Sexson should be calling is his agent, considering no team would pick up that contract in a trade! I’d be surprised if he got signed to a ML deal after this year.
Da Melk!
Yessssssss! It’s about time!
Hey! We just halved the Royals’ lead! Yay!
The Melkman delivers!
Finally a hit with RISP
Yeah!!!!
Melkman delivers baby…
“Why the HELL was Wilson even IN the batter’s box ???”
you didn’t watch yesterday’s game ? plus Bet has the best LD % of anyone on the team.
How about that? A hit with RISP!
Lotta game left fellow fan(atics…
O Bronx – the obvious reason Betemit was in there was because he hit a homer last night and Jorge played for the first time last night after a big layoff. He was going with the “hotter” hand.
Finally a RUN!!!
Thank you Melkster!
Betamit pitch hit b/c is was 3 for 5 against Davies with 2 HRs.
Plus you don’t know if Posada is catching next inning…it may be Moeller. I think they want to rest Jorge.
Game recap, anyone? Score? What’s going on?
Thanks in advance…
Damon vs Mahay
3 for 15, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 1 2B, 1 K
Funny – Sexson is Adam Dunn without the “plate discipline”
Nice job Melky! – btw – he needs A-Rod around to keep him going. Apparently he, Abreu, Cano and A-Rod are a ‘pack’ that runs together in the yanks dugout.
trish…and the move worked out great…right ?…i mean if you hit a home run the night before, you must be a sure hit tonight…right ?
For those who didn’t know Wilson was 3-4 with 2 hrs off Davies….it was a good move that didn’t work.
I have a vague recollection of us facing Davies last year and Betemit pwning him. Plus he’s been hitting lately, so maybe that is why, although I’d probably have gone with Jorgie too.
Game recap? Um…7 IP for Rasner, gave up 2 ER, and the Yanks finally got a run here in the 7th. Rasner did his job, so it’s time for the offense to do their’s. A-Rod and Cano both have two hits.
2-1 Royals – end of 7.
Whoops, daver and 2008Yankees beat me to it…great minds
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
When Damon is ON, he is ON…and when he is NOT…well…you see…..
Adam Dunn with plate discipline? Whoever came up with that should do stand-up.
Only down by a run – the Yanks can win this.
Hold em here Rasner
they have 3 catcher and are saving Jorge for the end.. I assume they let moeller in so they can hit for him in the 9th.
now our pen needs to do there thing.
I assume that was mahays 1 batter….
“although I’d probably have gone with Jorgie too.”
I wouldn’t, because then he has to stay in the game and catch on back to back nights. We want him to take it slow right now.
I still see the Yankees winning this game with Mo getting the W.
Rasner MANNING up!
no offense to our female audience of course!
um . . . ?
wow, Seattle is absolutely killing the blowsux, 8-0 in the 9th…go figure, they can’t beat us or lose to them. gotta love it. Plus they got Bedard out of the East, all I can say is long live grunge! haha
Girardi is letting Britton sit in the dugout? He hasn’t been sent into exile now that he’s on the DL?
I’m a bit surprised Rasner’s still in there.
gotta give Rasner props for giving our bullpen a breather
Why is Rasner still in this game? Edwar Ramirez didn’t pitch yesterday.
Get him out NOW!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks guys
So, to sum it up, our offense is looking anemic thus far? Am I right?
it is NEVER a good move, if it fails….all that counts is the W or the L !
Lo Lud you dud. They bunted in the fifth and gave up an out because on nights like this runs dont come easy. It was the right move you idiot. The next two batters FAILED to drive in the runner on third with 1 out. This team BLOWS. ROYALS HAVE LOST 12 STRAIGHT ROAD GAMES, I BET 1000.00 ON KC TONIGHT. ITS MILLER TIME GO ROYALS.
Rasner has thrown a lot of pitches. He’s saving the bullpen.
com’on Darrell screw the pitch count, MAN UP BABY !
solid catch
Yeah Jeter!!!!!!
Still having Rasner in there shows you what they think of the bullpen—an issue that they should probably address sooner rather than later.
1 run on 7 hits? Anemic is a nice word. They had runners on third with less than two outs twice and didn’t get them in earlier.
“Adam Dunn with plate discipline? Whoever came up with that should do stand-up.”
Hi steph – I’m your huckleberry!
(ever see Tombstone?)
Why isn’t Edwar pitching? Rasner is at 112 pitches.
Is Joe Girardi impersonating Buck SHowalter?
“Rasner has thrown a lot of pitches. He’s saving the bullpen.”
What bullpen?
If Ras goes 8 IP with 2 ER Da Yanks better win this baby!!!
“I wouldn’t, because then he has to stay in the game and catch on back to back nights. We want him to take it slow right now.”
.
Yes, that’s right…having to catch for 2 innings takes a HUGE TOLL on your body….IT’S NOT THE WHOLE GAME ! Bottom line, we’ll never know if Jorge could come have come through in the CLUTCH for us there,,,because Genius Girardi thought it best to trust the great Wilson Betemit…I mean THAT guy is a SHOE in for the Hall of Fame right ??
Great play by Jeter!
The Yanks definitely have to address the bullpen situation. I don’t think a lot of these guys are going to be around in July.
TKinDC, I assumed you meant ELI MANNING up, in which case no one should be offended.
I guess Joe wants to use Rasner until his arm actually falls off
Could someone please tell Jete his defensive statistics don’t allow for that last play?
Sabremetrics is self-destructing somewhere in Boston.
lets go offense !
Rasner doesnt deserve to loose come on yankees!!!!!
Rasner is a warrior.
What a gem by Rasner. It was a gutsy, excellent performance. It would be awful if he gets a loss for going out and pitching 8 innings and giving up 2 runs.
Rasner deserves to be out there. He has pitched a gutty game!
Get 2 more runs
Nick in SF – please conjugate the verb “to man”
Amazing how much hype Kennedy, Hughes and Joba have gotten…
Darrel Rasner hasn’t gotten any hype…
But he’s sure pitching pretty darn well!
GO YANKS!
8IP 2ER. That deserves a win any day. Let’s go heart of the lineup!
Never heard of Tombstone, actually. Is it an old movie? Love the Scooter word, lol.
Rasner definitely did the job and took the extra inning well. Offense…please. Just…please.
Rasner is a STUD…If the Yankees can’t get a fire in their belly out of THAT …then just fit them for off season sweats and start planning for 2009…Come on Yankees,,,you can do this….get your heads up and start smackin’ this Little League team around !
112 is not excessive
Ras is the man!!! Cmon bats get him the win he deserves!
Do you want to risk this guy’s arm, Girardi? He’s at 120 pitches and has to pitch again on Wednesday.
Outings are inter-connected. I don’t care if he goes 3-up, 3-down.
If Rasner gets hammered on Wednesday because he threw 20 more pitches than usual, what does it matter that he went three-up and three-down and saved Edwar for extra-innings or tomorrow?
Dynasty – “What bullpen?” Good point.
Rasner did do a great job. It would be nice if the Yanks scored 2 runs here and got Rasner the win.
Rasner is the man.
He’s been so consistent for us so far in the season.
He definitely deserves a win tonight.
I was questioning whether it was a good idea to leave him in the 8 inning, but what do i know, i am the the manager, and it turned out that i was wrong.
good job Darrell. Lets go offense!
vs Mahay
Jeter 3 for 10
Abreu 1 for 7
A-Rod 0 for 5
come on bobbbbbbby
im calling an a-rod homer
Rasner was the 8th inning guy tonight…
I think that’s the new plan…
Tomorrow Pettitte will be the 8th inning guy…
Tombstone is Val Kilmer and Kurt Russell in a mid-90’s spaghetti western. Fun watch but it won’t change your life.
Remember the RedSox had t-shirts that said ‘tell’im I’m comin’ and hell’s coming with me’? That was from that movie.
Fun watch for a guy-movie – for what its worth
Royals have lost 11 straight road games. Let’s go Yankees.
Oh dear…come on guys let’s do this!
here we go calling an a-bombbb
Come on A-Rod one time here
Yeah, I remember those. If it was mid-90s, I might be a bit too young to remember. As for it being a fun watch for the guys…well, I’ll have to tell my boyfriend to watch since I’m a girl.
Great job Aberu. Big clutch here come on Arod and Matsui.
Well, it’s for times like these that A-Rod gets paid the big bucks.
C’mon A-Rod! Gotta come through here!!!!
Why is it a “spaghetti” western and not just a western?
As long as A Rod doesn’t make an out, I’m fine with it. Count me on board with the we’re winning this game group.
Come on A-Rod
Sea won 8-0; Gotta have Mo pitch the 9th….
Let’s go Arod…
horrible AB..just horrible ..offspeed fishing.
here it comes come on a rod
TKinDC, I have to consult with a few Latin scholars before I can answer your question, but I’m hoping that Rasner is able to say “Veni, vidi, vici” to Kim Jones after the game.
That’s terrible
Arod looks lost… he is trying too hard and that does not work well for Arod.
Hope he doesn K Rod.
C mon Deki!
Terrible. Matsui’s due for a HR though.
Jesus Christ… C’mon… pull your head out.
Gah! I guess the silver lining is that there won’t be a Farnsworth in the ninth?
Ugh.
They’re filmed in Italy
Looks like A Rod is back to the 2006 A Rod. It seems like every other year he is great and clutch.
sigh
come on ‘Deki…
Tries too much for the home run
I’d love some Yankee offense right now…
Matsui means “clutch”!
A-Rod’s hot zone is down and away and he got his pitch there and he fouled it off. Then he got what he thought was another pitch in the same spot and it was a changeup that dropped on him.
Nothing you can do there except not get fooled by a changeup in a big spot.
Alright Giambino. Show us your stuff!
I’d love a run to cross right now
arod has 2 hits but nothing when it counts..
that is just the truth….
that ball was on the ground he swung at.
Need a clutch hit here!
Can we go for the daily double??? Could it be the House the Ruth built is the House that Giambino closes??
Big G in another Big Spot!!!
Strength o’ the Stache!!!!
Come on Jason
kansas city was willing to pay mahay 4 million dollars for 2008 .
since they have no chance of making the playoffs, why?
mahay is the kind of pitcher the yankees used to get.
NO HE DIDN’T !
THAT’S A TERRIBLE CALL
JESUS THESE DAMN UMPS ALL FREAKING YEAR LONG!!!!!
WOW WHAT AN AWFUL CALL!!!!!!
WHAT A DISGUSTING CALL !
Giambi got robbed there. Totally not his fault.
And now we have Robbie, ____ and Melky in the bottom of the ninth…
If Giambi walks – do let Cano hit or PH Posada… fearing Cano will swing at the first pitch??
Wow
that was a friggin JOKE.
NOT even close..
Why not ask the 3rd base umpire.
that is terrible.
wtf
What in god’s name was that call?
wow, one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen there, get it in the 9th inning guys.
How can the home plate ump make that call? They should appeal to the 3B ump, who is supposed to make that call. Ridiculous.
It’s pretty sad how bad umpiring can completely change games. The sooner they replace the home plate umpire with a computer the better the sport will be.
How do these f-ing umpires continue to pull this garbage? He was -nowhere close- to going around!!!!
Again, the Ump collusion against the Yankees rears its ugly head.
oh my
it wasn’t even close!!
what the hell was that call about
OMFG THESE DIRTY COMMIES….%$^$%&!!!!
guess that’s academic now…
Maybe Joe should’ve went out to kick his hat again a little bit.
What the hell was he out for? Certainly not for swinging and certainly not because it was a called strike. Damn umps…
Wow, not even an appeal. What a miserable call by the home plate ump, an absolutely miserable call.
i hate when the home plate ump calls check swings, that should be the 3rd base umpire, terrible call
Ed Montague is horse feces. After some really damp and musty hay.
What the heck was the ump thinking?!?! Giambi didn’t even START a swing!!!!
where is joey g arguing this call?
Peter ask the ump why he is blind and stupid???
not even close….
he never came close to breaking his wrists and the bat never got close to the plate.
Really bad call. Giambi did not come close to swinging.
I don’t know what gets into umps that they don’t appeal there. They get way into it behind the plate.
he was NOWHERE NEAR going around on that pitch !!!!…if that ump does not admit after the game that he blew the call, he is the biggest horse’s @$$ !
I’m checking out for the duration of this game, unless it goes into extras. Keep the faith. And anyway, tomorrow is another day. Pettitte overdue for a rebound performance!
Nice job on the stupid catcher for selling it. Stupid umpire.
That was blatantly terrible.
This is such bullcrap
Why even play the rest of the season if these crack smoking satan worshipping ego tripping power tripping #$^%&$’s are going to decide every f’n tight game?!?
And watch, after the game the ump will watch the replay and then do the patented “I made a mistake”. Yeah, you did you frackin’ tool!!!!!!!!
That was horrible
BLIND BASTERD
Yes, that was a bad call by the ump but this team freakin blows.
They have wasted an excellent start tonight by Ranser by looking like a bunch of AA hitters. Just horrible.
No collective effort tonight, again.
Cone with more blather….
yeah the ump is such a moron he listened to a catcher and did not check with the 3rd base umpire..
what was the damn hurry???
call it as it was a terrible call that may cost the game because the yanks suck and cannot get a clutch hit early in a game so it leads to this..
how many mistakes do these bozos make?? again what was the rush???
Hopefully Edwar keeps this thing close.
The ump apparently wasn’t watching Ron Jeremy’s bat if he can be hoodwinked by the catcher. The ump is asleep behind the plate.
Robi catch the damn ball
seriously, this is getting worse than the gat damn NBA.
cano po and melky next inning we got this
where is joey g arguing this call?
showing his team of nancies how to be successful with no effort.
This game is being ruined by the umpires.
That was probably the worst call I have -ever- seen in baseball. Ever. At worst, at least the 3rd base umpire should have the ability to overrule the home plate umpire on that non-swing.
I am now, completely, 100%, in favor of replay in baseball.
I don’t understand why Cashman isn’t screaming to the heads at MLB about the horrible umpiring we’ve been getting. Other teams have been getting hosed, but it seems we get it more than most.
Jesus… Brandon, slow down.
Three posts in a row now, all caps. You’re going to have a heart attack. Number one is always the worst, get easy after the first.
Girardi should have been flying out of the dugout. They didn’t even make an appeal to third, which leaves me absolutely astounded.
Son of a …. !
jesus Edwar grow up
Games like this have to make you wonder why there’s a person behind the plate doing a job that a computer can do at close to 100% accuracy. The human element behind the plate is nice and all, but is having an umpire behind the plate really worth the highly tainted outcome of games that occur? To me it’s not. I’d much rather have a flawless computer and knowing that my team didn’t possibly lose a game because of human error on a third party.
also, why do we have Edwar pitching in a 2-1 game? As much as I’d like to have faith in him, I saw him firsthand on Tuesday.
oh it drives me crazy when they’re just all nonchalant about their idiocy after the game…”yeah i made a mistake”…maybe if they started getting docked for every such mistake they wouldnt be so quick to make them anymore!
May that HP ump catch crabs from a toilet seat tonight.
Ok, I am officially as pissed at Girardi as I was of Torre after the bug game in Cleveland last year.
If there is -ever- an f-ing time to argue with the umpire, THAT is the time to do so.
I don’t care if you get ejected, suspended for three games. THAT UMPIRE NEEDS HIS HEAD RIPPED OFF.
Now the question will appear…how far will instant replay go.
I certainly don’t want to see instant replay on check swing calls.
But then again, stuff happens, like Giambi just getting punched out.
wow – what a long day… I finally get here, and the Yanks are losing to the 23-37 Royals?!?! Where the hell is the offense?? It’s the Royals? yeesh!
Seems like these umps are never held accountable. You make a crap call like that you should get suspended for a game.
david cone is the worst. i think i find him more annoying than michael kay.
come on Edwar
In terms of replay, I’d like a mix of basketball and football.
ONLY an umpire (in the booth) can change a call. Managers can -not- ‘challenge’.
A play can -only- be overruled if it is completely, 100%, evident that the call was wrong (ARod’s HR a few weeks ago, Giambi’s ’swing’).
LOL…
Former Yankee great Sydney Ponson has been DFA’ed by the Rangers. Despite going 4-1 with a 3.88 ERA, trade rumors dot com is reporting that Ponson was let go from the team b/c:
“disrespectful and adverse reactions to situations unbecoming of teammates.”
Edwar please grow up !
“Veni, vidi, vici†to Kim Jones
Isn’t that a disease of the private parts?
A little penicilin will clear that right up.
thank you !
Nice inning by Edwar. Bounced back from his last outing.
Man, if he wild pitches in this run, I’m going to scream.
I guess we need one more miracle night.
Whew!
Great job. Offense get to work and at least save iron man Rasner a loss.
No one that has faced Soria has a hit…
Jorge should pinch hit here for Moeller
““Veni, vidi, vici†to Kim Jones”
Who conquered Kim Jones?
2 runs
let’s go
I would probably have a 4-man umpiring crew with one ready to make the calls so that people don’t have to worry about the “delay of game.”
Time for the offense to murder the umps.
god please let Robi find his Rod Carew here, and may a walkoff win result by a Yankee bat this inning.
Strange inning by Ramirez, but the result is good. We have to win games like this, can’t afford to waste Rasner’s outting.
Here’s how I see it, Cano single, Moeller bunt, Melky infield single, Cano to third, Damon sacrifice fly, Cano scores, single Jeter, Melky scores, Yankees win, crowd goes nuts, Frank Sinatra starts singing.
“Seems like these umps are never held accountable. You make a crap call like that you should get suspended for a game.”
Will never happen. They are unionized and would strike if they tried to implement something like that.
back to the terrible call. the reason it was such a bad call is because he could have gotten help from the 2rd base ump.. but being the arrogant no it all almost al these umps are and thinking they are the game he did his thing..
if the 3rd base ump called it incorrectly it is easier to swallow but no the expert morons screwed another one.. would have been bases loaded and I know Cano cannot hit with bases loaded but that is what should have been..
TERRIBLE………
ok, we HAVE to win this now. Show that useless piece of human filth umpire who’s boss and the Da Big G will kick his ass and bang his sister after the game. C’MON YANKS, let’s do this!!!
Rasner does not deserve this loss. This offense needs to step up.
its sad how us yankees fans have fallen so far as to blame the umps for everything… this game is a perfect example of thr 2008 yanks: win a thriller and then lose to a team that has lost 11 in a row on the road
I don’t think instant replay is relevant to this discussion. This is where QuesTec comes in. I don’t know all the details, but I would assume QuesTec is able to track check swings, or if not I’m sure it wouldn’t be an overly difficult feature to add. But I don’t understand why you would go to replay for something you already have being charted by a computer. It’s a matter of looking at the data the program spits out. QuesTec’s already doing it.
Blargh –
I apologize for a little creative editing –
I didn’t mean to bring ‘Ron Mexico’ into this blog
Wow. Cano took a first pitch.
The whole check with the third base ump thing: yeah, he should have checked, but half the time the third base ump probably just takes an educated guess at whether the batter swung… There’s so many times when you wonder how the third/first base ump came up with their ruling.
jeezus cano…
sweet AB for Cano there
Wow, this guy has got 4 pitches. They should make him a starter.
:wink, wink:
wow cano took strike three. He finds so many creative ways to suck, it’s unreal.
It wouldn’t even take an educated guess for the ump to know that Giambi didn’t swing.
a homer would be nice here Posada…
just sayin…
“its sad how us yankees fans have fallen so far as to blame the umps for everything…”
You apparently aren’t reading the threads. We aren’t blaming the umps for everything…just that one blown call.
hip hip …
jesus steph, quit crying
How cool would pinch hit hrs be on back to back days?
Blaming the ump if they lose the game isn’t crazy. This is major league baseball. You’re facing the best players in the world. It is incredibly difficult for a team to overcome a deficit AND overcome bad umpiring. There’s only so much the offense can do. When they draw a walk, they need it to be a walk. You don’t have unlimited chances.
Cano cannot take a called 3rd down 1 in the 9th…CANNOT!!!
dammit
D’oh!
I thought managers weren’t allowed to argue balls and strikes – or is a check swing strike different?
grife…
That wasn’t a strike.
Sigh…..
what a thrilling game yesterday completely wasted…. at least rasner is showing hmself to be legit
We have a chance!!!!
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!!
2 out hit, just like last night.
c’mon damon!! time to imitate giambi
Damon HR and we go HOME
If it’s a check swing, it should be an appeal to third or first, depending on which way the hitter was batting. Girardi could be thrown out for arguing balls and strikes, yeah, but it makes a point.
Here’s something… starting slowly. A single… Possibly something off the bat of Mr. Damon?
A monster mash by the lil’ stache, perhaps?
hhhmmm
Damon has seen every pitch this guy has….Yard ????
id take rasner over andy “deuteronomy” pettite at this point
It’s crazy. Half of you complain about the Yankees swinging for the fences all the time, the other half call for the Yankees to hit home runs all the time.
Guess which half knows anything about baseball?
“us yankees fans”
That use of “us” was pretty deceptive until you read the rest of that obvious silliness.
wow – when did Damon get to .309?
Many of our blog brethren had him DFA’D?
DFox: That’s the same argument Joe Sheehan made at Baseball Prospectus a week ago in favor of instant replay for just about everything; you can talk about how umpires add to the human element of the game, but Sheehan’s argument is that the only humans who should have an impact on the game should be the fifty players who take the field.
…I think he has a fair point, to be brutally honest.
short porch! short porch! short porch! short porch!
from yesterday to day is a perfect exanmple of why this team is no better than a .500 club. jesus, the royals had lost 11 in a row uo until tonight. they suck. game over
Man, I hate Ed Montague with a passion. I hate, hate, hate the moron.
crap
It’s tough to beat a major league club that has the umpires on its side.
Dead offense is dead as usual
F’N UMP !
STUPID HELL SPAWN KID OF TONY
blahhhhhh…..
Weak….
Okay instead of getting all down and depressed look at it this way: we kind of stole one yesterday; Rasner pitched a great game; KC was due to win a game. Now let’s go on and win the next three!
Very disappointing loss by the Yanks. Thought they’d come out flying after yesterday.
Andy’s due for a good game tomorrow. The Yanks need to win the next 3. Have to take at least 3 of 4 from the Royals at home.
See you all tomorrow.
That’s just sad. We can’t even beat the frackin’ Royals.
no offense again… argh
“the royals had lost 11 in a row uo until tonight.”
Did you assume they would never win again?
“from yesterday to day is a perfect exanmple of why this team is no better than a .500 club. jesus, the royals had lost 11 in a row uo until tonight. they suck. game over”
True that.
Sweet. Ed Montague 1, Yankees 0. Thanks f-tard. may you get gang raped by 17 junkies on your way home tonight.
This is just a great team.
Pete posted stats that I got hammered for stating.. a .500 team at best..
Offense again tonight stagnant. Team chemistry, none.
Right now this team is an embarassment. Beat Toronto and forget to show up against the loser Royals.
Start making your offseason plans now, there will be no magin in October.
“F’N UMP !”
you know… i didnt realize the umpire was the one who was up when the yankees stranded how many runners on 3rd base with less than two outs?
Craptastic loss
Yes V, the umpires are on “are on the royals side”. thats rich. how about this: they yanks lost because they wom yesterday. thats what .500 clubs do
This game was not lost in the eighth, it was lost in the first 5 innings.
I’m tired of the Yankees making average pitchers look great! Is this Kevin Long? Seems like a cool guy but all the pressing at the plate is driving me crazy. Give me Scott Brosius!
horrible loss to a horrible team. Did Giambi start tonight? If not why not? More micro managing by Joe.
Rasner did not deserve to lose this game…I’m freaking ashamed of this offense …
BUT I HATE THAT STUPID UMPIRE W/ A PASSION !
A loss to Kyle Davies is tough! He’s awful!
good grief, this team will be lucky to get above .500… need to get going here old people… play like something else besides your paycheck is on the line… sigh
1 OF MANY TERRIBLE LOSES..
I LOSE COUNT OF ALL THE TERRIBLE LOSES. of course the other team made a good defensive play at the end.
cano who swings at anything watched a pitch with 2 strikes right down the middle.
the ump screwed the yanks in the 8th. typical terrible yankee loss.
the cannot get a big hit(Giambi that was 1) they are near the bottom with avg with RISP, they just are a friggin MESS.
they need the next 3 in this series…kyle clemens davies beat them .. pitchers that throw alot of fastballs tend to beat them if I am not mistaken..clemens tonight threw a change and fastball basicall the whole game.
arod is as cluthc as ever, the beat goes on..
F–k it
I’m glad that mediocrity and middle of the road seems to cost $200 million these days.
The definition of a .500 team, tonight was. A great pitching performance wasted by a sagging, slow, old offense.
Stop blaming the umpires. One blown call.
How about that lack of hitting. The dumb bunting. K Rod grouding into a DP in the first inning when they had Davies on the ropes.
What about 7 RISP and 1 scores.
this is not on the umpire, this is on Kevin Long, Joe Girardi, Brian Cashman. Over aged, over paid, underperforming. This team should celebrate the fact they are as good as the Royals.
Why do the Yankee bats just stop cold? This team is frustrating.
That call out of Giambi was just so wrong. That was the real end of the game. MLB should require that home plate umpires are not allowed to call out a swinging strike out without checking with the 3rd or 1st base umpire, unless its a full swing.
Very disappointing that this team can’t climb above .500.
As at team,,these Yankees have no FIRE and no HEART…and that goes for Giradi as well….How he could not come out and lay into the ump speaks volumes. If you can’t beat the lowly Royals AT THE STADIUM, when they trot out a Career 6.16 ERA Slug, then you show that you are destined for .500 for the whole year. This will be a record….How about the first team to have a Quarter of a Billion dollar payroll and not even be a .500 team…HOW IS THAT FOR A LABEL, you LAZY YANKEE MILLIONAIRES ???
how can u tell the real fans from the retards? the retards blame the umps after a loss like tonight. NEWSFLAS: the yanks lost becuase .500 teams can only win half the time.
I really am sick and tired of Arod already. He is the last person I want up with a runner on base but especially if it is a runner on 3rd or 1st and 3rd. He is flat out pathetic. I am really surprised that he hasn’t been booed yet because he deserves it. He is the easiest out and either hits into a DP or pops it up in the infield. That is like the 5 time in the last couple of days that he could not get the runner in from 3rd. He is an absolute loser.
Kyle Davies had a 1.80 ERA against the Yanks. Rasner wasz 2.67 against KC.
Why are you all getting so down about one loss? KC was due. The beat us. So what?????
SEATTLE, THE TEAM WITH THE WORST RECORD IN THE MAJORS, BEAT THE SUX 8-0.
Please try to keep a little proportion here.
The Fallen Phoenix, it’s a very valid point. I mean come on, it’s the year 2008 and we’re talking about a team possibly losing a game because an umpire was “tricked” by the catcher. It sounds like something that happend in a high school game that you’d read in the weird tidbit section of the local newspaper. If that’s what MLB wants then you have to wonder what it will take for them to use the technology that’s already been made which can make baseball such a more concrete game.
Anyone in need of a quick laugh?
Jeter with a porn-stache:
http://johnsterling.blogspot.c.....grows.html
It’s tough to pull for a bunch of lethargic players. I don’t enjoy watching this team play, they are boring. Girardi is a bum!
“the royals had lost 11 in a row uo until tonight.â€
Royals actually won a couple games last weekend and are now 3-3 in their last six.
You tip your cap to Davies. Like Rasner, he started the year in the minors and has come up and pitched well. Yanks will be back tomorrow.
“the royals had lost 11 in a row uo until tonight.â€
Royals actually won a couple games last weekend and are now 3-3 in their last six.
You tip your cap to Davies. Like Rasner, he started the year in the minors and has come up and pitched well. Yanks will be back tomorrow.
trisha good team steal games all the time.. the problem is the yanks almost NEVER steal a game…
how many they steal this yr. 2????
the problem is they cannot hit with RISP and are walking a lot less then last yr.
now we need to hear the BS, he pitched godd blah blah blah.
BS..get a hit when it counts you make enough $$$arod, enough with the BS at least hit the ball to the real outfield your 2 sacrfices yesterday were gifts from G-d.
now the davies BS lovefest, how bout giving out the loser of the game???Who was that? Arod(2 meaningless hits when it did not matter)? In reality there are so many to chosse from today give it to the whole offense, they were offensive……..
Wow, thanks Fredo. This is a scary bunch after a loss.
Did we win, yet? What happened?
Girardi is killing them. He leaves pitchers in too long, he forces Farnsworth in at all the wrong times, he sits guys when they are hot and plays guys when they are cold. He is clueless Joe. Keep in mind without yesterdays miracle by Giambi that`d be another loss
Trisha,
Please, for the love of God, just shut up. You never fail to make an irritating loss all the more unbearable.
And when will Arod start to get the criticism he so richly deserves for going into his guess routine again and having no clue how to hit situationally with a man on 3rd and less than 2 outs. This guy is supposed to be the superstar for NY. I would much rather have Manny up in any big RBI situation.
People, STOP saying it’s just one blown call. It’s one blown call at the WORST possible time in the WORST possible situation. Giambi was ready to go to first. That loads the bases. The Yankees win tonight if the next batter gets a hit, or most likely win if the next batter can draw a walk, or there’s a wild pitch. And that goes down as “one blown call”? There’s certain calls you can’t blame, but I’m sorry, this one you can blame no matter how you want to look at it. The offense was struggling tonight and they can’t do anything more than get their hits, and EARN their walks like Giambi did but earning the walk wasn’t enough to get it because of the umpire.
Happy for Tony Pena that his son assisted in the final out, if KC had to win.
Well… Time for Sopranos on On Demand.
Peace all. Worst to first in 2008!
FEAR THE ‘STACHE !
trisha enoguh with the koolaid.
felix hernandez pitched for the mariners, the sux have won like 13 in a row at home, the yanks were going against a team that lost 11 straight ROAD GAMES……
they were swept by the whitesux before this series…
davies could not hold hernandez jock strap…
good teams find ways to bury teams like this , bury them so it does not come down to the bottom of the 9th………
1 for 7 with RISP, another clutch game from the buys.. what a JOKE>>>do not minimize there performance the yanks offense stinks, look at the stats………..
Any chance the Yankees can play themselves? Nothing breaks a losing streak like playing the Yankees!
“Please, for the love of God, just shut up. You never fail to make an irritating loss all the more unbearable.
And when will Arod start to get the criticism he so richly deserves for going into his guess routine again and having no clue how to hit situationally with a man on 3rd and less than 2 outs. This guy is supposed to be the superstar for NY. I would much rather have Manny up in any big RBI situation.”
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1) The Yankees lost the game because of a lack of offense. The Giambi call lost them the momentum they had in the 8th, but that’s not why they lost the game.
2) Trisha, can you please stop with this Sox trashing? It’s incredibly immature. It’s one thing when we’re playing the Sox, or in the last weeks of a pennant race. I have no love for the Sox, but, seriously, I’d rather be reading coherent posts about the Yankees.
(forgive me. Needed to get that off my chest)
So what are we staying Stuart? Rasner pitched great but Davies only succeeded because the Yankees were bad?
The kid pitched a good game, period.
I can’t believe this performance off of that win.
Shocking.
yanksareadisgrace, you are my hero!
how could any clown blame girardi for this one..
get a LIFE.
yeah he makes my zillionare hit into a DP in the 1st, or bobby(wall) abreu swing at a ball at his eyes, or cano view the 1st pitch in his life he did not swing at..
again the boys our lineup is lower half of the league in runs scored…
they should win against teams tonight 8 to 3…. they should maul kyle clemens davies…….
Rasner proved he is a major league pitcher.
Case closed. IPK is in Scranton in 2 weeks. At least something good came from tonight
And remember… there is always tomorrow.
Could be worse, we could’ve been shut out by Seattle.
JEff NJ I will take being shutout when we are 10 games over 500..
enough with the sux, they are 10 games over 500 we SUCK>>>>>>
Could be worse, we could’ve been shut out by Seattle and
we could be facing massive suspensions and
have injuries to starting DH, CF, LF and 1B and
have a LF that slaps the 1B in the head instead of showing up for a fight vs. the other team.
Kyle freaking Davis has a 6+ career ERA in over 50 starts. It’s horrible that we managed to score a single run against him. It’s even worse that he dominated the Yankees lineup throwing nothing but FB’s, just like Matt Garza did a couple of weeks ago. THis offense has been pathetic from the start of the season, and it doesn’t look like it’ll get much better. 1 for 7 with RISP, 1 walk the whole game. There’s no way to minimize this loss, it was goddam terrible.
2) Trisha, can you please stop with this Sox trashing? It’s incredibly immature. It’s one thing when we’re playing the Sox, or in the last weeks of a pennant race. I have no love for the Sox, but, seriously, I’d rather be reading coherent posts about the Yankees.
Have to admit Trish it’s gotten a little stale today. Caliing mega-cowards Gomes and Crawford heroes??? That’s beneath you.
This is just plain embarrassing;
that is, getting swept by or losing 3 of 4 to KC–you know it will happen right?
Sorry Rebecca no, I will not stop trashing the Sux. I don’t ask you to feel the same way and yes I remember you have a friend in Boston and had a good ole time at Fenway field. Good for you.
You don’t like it take it up with Pete.
I don’t tell you how to post. Don’t try to tell me.
“2) Trisha, can you please stop with this Sox trashing? It’s incredibly immature. It’s one thing when we’re playing the Sox, or in the last weeks of a pennant race. I have no love for the Sox, but, seriously, I’d rather be reading coherent posts about the Yankees.
(forgive me. Needed to get that off my chest)”
Yeah Rebecca! You speak for many more than just one on this blog. I couldn’t agree more. This constant Sox-slamming, while I do hate them as much as the next guy, makes some Yankees fans sound the way Sox fans used to sound, pre-04.
A bunch of whining, ‘grass is greener on the other side of the fence’, mis-informed idiots.
Basically, like a bunch of sore losers.
“I would much rather have Manny up in any big RBI situation.”
then trade your ballcap in and go root for boston. easy enough right?
anyway, looks like the “we’re nothing but a .500 team and never will be cause we lost in June” crowd is out in full force tonight, so i think that’s my cue. night all and i will echo Fredo’s sentiments….sometimes, the opposing pitcher just throws the ball well.
also, sometimes facist umps make really grotesquely stupid calls as a result. tonight both things happened. get over it, move on but it does not determine the rest of the season. a little perspective pls.
Fredo – on that we will just agree to disagree.
“also, sometimes facist umps make really grotesquely stupid calls as a result.”
er, move to strike the “as a result” part…don’t know where that came from lol, damn it’s been a really long day. Goodnight again all, we’ll get em tomorrow!
No offense intended of course.
But christ, we’re Yankees fans. Complain about this or that. But who cares what the other guy is up to? If there not playing the NYY, who cares?
Okay…cool, Papi is injured, as is Dice-K and poss Jacoby and Manny. I like that b/c it gives the NYY a chance to move up in the standings, if they could get their act together…
But wishing ill will, and calling the same Tampa players that started beef with the Yankees heroes for brawling with the Sox? C’mon.
C’mon man, we’re Yankees fans. Keep the chin up.
Man, what a bunch of idiots turn out here when the Yankees lose.
“Wow, this guy has got 4 pitches. They should make him a starter.
:wink, wink:”
Laura,
I was just reading through the posts now after the game and LOL’d when I read yours. That’s exactly what I said during the game when the YES guys mentioned that he had 4 pitches.
True that V. I’m out!
Night all. Even you, Trisha. Have a good night!
http://www.sadtrombone.com
The Yankees struggle against any fastball pitcher now. If they throw a lot of fastballs, the Yankee offense shuts down.
With this loss, the Yankees are again in last place. At least if they would climb up from the cellar you might start feeling better about them. To be below the Orioles and Blue Jays is just tough to take. Seeing Tampa Bay being in contention for the division lead is even more heart wrenching while seeing the Yankees struggle to even stay around .500.
Look, I’d agree to disagree, but I know I’m not the only one that feels this way.
This is a Yankees’ blog, not a Boston trashing blog. There are Boston trashing sites out there. This isn’t one of them.
Speaking of the Rays, Kazmir is on fire. Bad first start vs. Boston, but about to win his 6th straight start while allowing 4 runs over 41 innings. He may be the best SP the AL East has to offer.
This game was lost through a lack of situational hitting, too many lost opportunities. Ed Montague’s call in the 8th was completely off the mark, but I’m not going to blame the umpire for the team losing the game. some nice defense tonight as well.
I like Rasner’s composure on the mound, the more I see of him the more he impresses me.
Well, for all those interested, Bleich (the Yankees’ supplemental 1st round pick) is pitching tonight on ESPN2…it would be on right now, but the “Main Event” for Friday Night Fights is wrapping up, so we’ll have to wait a few minutes for them to cut to the Stanford game.
As for the Ump/Instant Replay argument…personally, I have nothing against the umps, I think they do a fantastic job all things considered. Nonetheless, if there’s a way to get higher accuracy with calls–and there is–I really think you need to take it. No, the Yankees did not lose the game simply because an umpire made a bad call, but that changed the entire complexion of the game; the players no longer had a chance to decide what was going to happen.
Top of the 1st just ended, so after the break, we’ll get our first look at Bleich!
1 and 3 against the royals..
why are we not walking this year??? Our OBP is down a bunch over last yr..
Arod needs to pick it up.. SOrry Arod fan club but the guy needs to get a big hit more then twice during the season!!!!
Jeter and cano have no patiene at the plate and therefore we are not getting to teams pens early enough. posada should help over bozo molina…
the bad news is kyle and latroy are still here lurking to blow a game when ever possible..
1 and 3 agaisnt the royals…
LMAO at Sad Trombone, thanks V !
At least Rasner didn’t do terribly. He is a back of the rotation pitcher and kept it to 2 runs. He went deep in the game, even though he gave up a lot of doubles. Defense was pretty good.
Its just tough to see them lose almost as soon as they get to .500 ball.
Good call on your part Rebecca. Its kind of dumb to talk trash about a team that is the Defending World Champs AND are in first place, while the Yankees are in last place.
In fact, its not “kind of dumb”, it is dumb.
It makes Yankee fans sound like Red Sox fans used to sound like before they won titles.
Especially being happy players are hurt. That’s so 10 year old. Really, grow up. It dumbs down this blog to special ed level and its unnecessary.
You hate a player that bad to wish happiness when they are hurt, see a shrink.
They didn’t lose because of a bad call. They lost because they didn’t hit with RISP and haven’t for most of the season.
Wasted a great start from Rasner with the malady that has plagued them all season.
Hopefully, they find their offense in the next few days.
1-2-3 inning for Bleich. He was flashing a decent change up and threw a pretty nice curve in one at-bat.
Fastball’s clocked at 91.
Kazmir wants to make up for lost time with a vengeance eh?
literally we follow our best win of the season w/ our worst, the only thing kepping me from punching my fist through the outlet wall is watching our draft pick Joe Bleich pitch on ESPN2.
1-2-3 inning for Bleich
keeping *
Make the world a better place and tell Trisha to shut her face.
Even Pete was talking about certain ‘people’s obsession with the Sox’ earlier…
And she tells Rebecca, a long time, established blogger on this site to “take it up with Pete.”
What is this world coming to?
My first impression of Bleich is he kinda looks like Chris Capuano. That’s a good thing.
“Look, I’d agree to disagree, but I know I’m not the only one that feels this way.
This is a Yankees’ blog, not a Boston trashing blog. There are Boston trashing sites out there. This isn’t one of them.”
And funny because other posters have come on and said they feel exactly the same way that I do.
There are Boston trashing sites out there? Really? And exactly where are they? And since when did you define what this site is?
Because you are a New Yawker and concentrate on New Yawk teams doesn’t give you the right to dictate how others feel about Boston and what they say about Boston. And maybe you haven’t noticed but for the past 12 seasons Boston has been our main competition.
Again, take this up with Pete. He has my email address. If he writes and tells me I can’t spend time trashing the Sux on this forum, then I will have to pay attention since this is HIS blog last time I looked and I will decide that I don’t need to spend time on a sanitized forum.
In the meantime, if you don’t like my posts, you and others should just breeze by them.
I’m serious. Write to Pete. Because this is the last time I am going to respond to someone’s hissy fits about not liking what I post.
“watching our draft pick Joe Bleich pitch on ESPN2.”
Jeremy.
For that matter, Tampa Bay just beat on a Texas reliever with a vengeance
post game show. Girardi says nothing, shows little emotion. Says the same thing about “we got ot get going” no s**t
Damon is the only guy that takes responsibilty and hes hitting over 300 (one of the two guys on the team)
Girardi is like Torre without the Championships.
Of course KC breaks that awful road loss streak in Tank ee stadium
This game was just so disappointing. Rasner pitched great and we score only 1 run? Wonderful
Well, there is always tomorrow. We need a good start from Andy and it would also be nice if the offense showed up.
Not too sure if those things will occur though.
BTW..That ump is on my S**t list
“Jeremy.”
HIS NAME SHOULD BE JOE !
That’s a pretty curve from Bleich. It’s not Zito-esque, or even Hughes-esque, but it’s a tight curve that just drops out of the zone.
we missed a golden opportunity to pick up a game in the loss column to the BoSux tonight….It is ugly that we are 1-3 against KC,,while they are 20-36 against all others…It just shows that this is NOT a good TEAM right now…period…a TEAM of WINNERS easily dispatches KC tonight…and we play DOWN to our competition….totally sad…and Trish….KEEP BASHING THE BoSux…I, too , am glad to see their house in shambles…IF we can get our frickin’ act together, it will be a pleasure to pass their Butts and leave them in the dirt….and WHO CARES what they have done lately…they still and always will S*CK…because they are the Sux and THEY KNOW IT !
SJ44,
You are once again the voice of reason. Taking shots at the Sox is just so petty right now and really reeks of biterness
They lost tonight because they were facing Felix Hernandez without their two best hitters and their leadoff man, with a past his prime Colon on the mound. Before that they had won 13 in a row in Fenway.
The Yankees lost to Kyle Davies at home pitching for a team that WAS 23-37. You don’t lose that game, you just don’t.
Thi team has no ability to hit situationally. It’s absolutely pathetic. Rasner pitched his heart out and has nothing to show for it. This team continues to find new ways to dissapoint.
V
June 6th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
http://www.sadtrombone.com
V….right ON !…that is the 2008 Yankees so far, in a nutshell….
1) http://www.bostonsucks.net
2) I am not a New Yorker. Never have been. I’m a New Jerseyan. There’s a difference. I’ve lived in the Jersey suburbs, gone to school in upstate NY and will be going to Fordham, but I am not a New Yorker–and no New Yorker would ever consider me a New Yorker.
So if you’re going to attack me, please, at least get it right.
Bleich with his first strikeout. On the curve, of course. Damn, that’s a really, really pretty pitch. Easily his best thus far.
…this might not be my place, but there’s no reason for the personal attacks, people, and that should go for all the sides involved. We’re all Yankees fans here, there’s no reason for us to tear each other apart. We may have differences in opinion, reasoned, legitimate, or not, but there is no reason why we cannot work them out civilly.
Inning over. Bleich gave up a hit, but the runner never made it past first thanks to a line-out and a strikeout.
He’s looking good, people. The velocity’s down right now, but Bleich looks really great out there.
“KEEP BASHING THE BoSux…I, too , am glad to see their house in shambles…”
Their house is in shambles? Sign me up for their problems.
Things are a wee bit better for them than what has been going on at the house that Ruth built.
Yes, it’s nice that Boston lost. But seriously, who cares right now
“Bleich with his first strikeout. On the curve, of course. Damn, that’s a really, really pretty pitch. Easily his best thus far.”
it was a 78 mph cutter
Anyone else see some Chris Capuano in Bleich?
Oh, I forgot to mention that Bleich is also showing some good command: I don’t think he’s missed the catcher’s glove more than one or two times thus far.
ok I hate to be on this side of the argument, but as someone who earlier bashed the sox, I must defend Trisha. This is a public blog and anyone can say anything.
In general I do agree that focusing on the Red Sox lowers Yankee fans to the level of Red Sox fans, however until freedom of speech is taken away, we are free to route for the Yankees anyway that we want.
I’ll take 100 posters like Trisha who care everyday rather than one shapeshifter or russ m or hello offense etc who comes on here to bring Yankee fans down. I do not care how Red Sox fans on this board feel, they are not the intended audience.
Although it was called a cutter, it looked like his curve: it has a really short break.
So tomorrow is Bannister…
Would be nice to score more than 1 run off of him…
One of the reasons I really enjoy this site is the fact that we can all say pretty much (except for Michael yesterday, who was certainly over-the-top) whatever we want, good or bad, drunk or sober. We let people vent if we want to and we let people cheer if they want to. But lately, with the hatred toward Trisha, it seems we are beginning to sound like a bunch of parents. If you don’t like what Trisha says, then don’t read her posts!! Simple as that. There are certain posters that when I see their name I just pass it by. I usually like CB’s, SJ44’s, Nich in SF, and V’s takes so I usually stop to read theirs. The others I just pass by. Let her have her opinion, she lets you have yours. Let everyone say what they want without the rest of us behaving like hall monitors.
Bleich looks good. I like his stuff. Seems to have a nice cutter to lefties and his changeup is solid.
Really nice, easy delivery. Low stress. Looks like a very solid arm.
Rebecca,
I grew up in CT. Ground Zero for Yankee-Red Sox fans. Half the state roots for the Yankees, the other half for the Red Sox.
It used to be good, clean fun.
Now? Folks lose their mind over obsessing over every thing Boston or NY.
I have a nephew that goes to BC and plays baseball there. I wear my Yankee stuff at every game and NOBODY bothers me.
It pains me when I see Yankee fans obsessing over the Red Sox. It makes us look stupid.
No matter how much folks think the Red Sox are going to crawl up and die, it ain’t happening.
They are a very good team. They will withstand the injuries and be in the race all season.
If I’m a Yankee fan, I’d be more concerned about my team because, like it or not, we’ve got BIG problems, that’s aren’t going away by wishing the Red Sox ill.
In fact, if you believe in karma, that stuff ain’t helpin’ the Yankees.
Do we get to face Greinke this series?
Looks like Gonzales had a big night in Trenton, 3 for 4 with a double and two RBI’s… good stuff !
Oops, my fault, I meant SWB.
“So if you’re going to attack me, please, at least get it right.”
Attack you dear? I believe it was you who addressed me as immature and they proceded with a rant.
I really have nothing further to say to you. As you may have seen, not everyone here is upset with trashing the main competition.
Greinke is on Sunday
Rebecca:
Joba vs. Greinke on Sunday
“Seems to have a nice cutter to lefties and his changeup is solid.”
I think you mean righties, right? He’s been throwing his curve to lefties and cutter to righties. But I get your point. I like him too.
Yes V, the umpires are on “are on the royals sideâ€. thats rich. how about this: they yanks lost because they wom yesterday. thats what .500 clubs do
*yawn*
I think everyone had a big night in SWB…..’cept Steven White.
13-12 game
I see we have mob mentality tonight….Seems to worsten with every loss…Need some wins just so we can have a sense of harmony here….
Bannister goes tomorrow? Bugger! For my fantasy team anyway. Then again, I got Pettitte active for this week as well…
BTW, I went to the Tampa Yankees game tonight to see Zach McAllister’s second start. He was great tonight.
Seven shutout innings, 0 BB, 7 hits, 6 k’s to get the win.
Very impressive kid. He looks like a young Schilling. He’s about 6-5, every bit of 220-230.
Threw consistently 91-92 all night, with a nice slider and change.
Very impressive for a 20 year old. He won’t be 21 until December.
His dad was a scout with the Diamondbacks back when Schilling and Johnson were together. You can tell this kid was taught pitching by major league people. He has a real sense of what to do out there.
Out of all the young arms in the organization I’ve seen so far this year (from the starting side), he’s the most impressive. He’s got talent and a real feel for pitching.
I’m going to stick around Tampa and look to catch Garcia’s start.
“Joba vs. Greinke on Sunday”
You mean: Joba + Giese vs. Greinke on Sunday
Alex Rodriguez,
First ballot Hall of Famer, will probably break Bond’s home run record, is certain to win more MVP’s before his career is over. Be that as it may, however, ARod has got to be the worst clutch hitter with that amount of talent in the history of baseball!!!!!
I am on record as having opposed re-signing him. It is possible I will be proven wrong in the coming years, but I doubt it. The guy simply does not appear to have the mental make up to handle the pressure of big situations, especially in th playoffs.
Well said, Rebecca.
Its just asking for bad karma.
Think the Yankees had anything to do with Bleich’s pitch count tonight?
Probably not; he’s not signed by them yet, after all. I think it’s more because he hasn’t pitched too much this year.
But damn, such great command. Another strikeout, but he walked a batter this inning.
Martin, no.
No doubt the ump totally blew that call on Giambino. But also, RISP LOB led to the Yankees wasting an outstanding job by the Razzle Dazzler. The walk-off win last night was great, but that unable to drive in baserunners in even from third thing will kill ya more times than not. And letting shaky pitchers off the hook when they’re on the ropes isn’t helping the cause either.
Too bad the Yanks let this one slip away, because they can’t count on getting this kind of pitching every game (hello Andy), and Sunday is anybody’s guess (Go Joba!!).
The good part: Ras continues to rock the house. Franchise and IPK: Pay attention, lil’ homies – this could be you a few months from now. Stay strong!! Seattle Mariners: Thanks, and keep up the good work until we meet again. Lets Go Yankees!!!!!!!!
Pepitone,
Totally agree. When the game’s on the line, he’s almost the last player I want to see at the plate. Kind of sad to say about someone with so much talent.
i totally agree as well. he’s the best player in that situation. http://mmafight.ca who else could you use?