Game 62: Royals at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 07, 2008 
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YANKEES
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Betemit 1B
Cabrera CF
Pettitte LHP
Brian Bannister (5-6, 4.60) vs. the New York hitters.
Andy Pettitte (5-5, 4.21) vs. the Kansas City hitters.
Notes: Hideki Matsui (.332, 29 RBI) is out of the lineup for some reason. Not sure why yet. He’s 7 of his last 20. … At any rate, they haven’t had the Opening Day lineup together since April 25. That was the only other time since the opener. … The Yankees are 1-3 against the Royals. … Thanks to Brian Heyman for calling in the lineup. … I’m headed to Scranton today to watch the Triple-A Yankees and may file a report or two from there this evening.
Enjoy the game.
UPDATE, 10:38 p.m.: In case you missed it, future Yankee Jeremy Bleich picked up the win for Stanford in an NCAA super regional game last night against Cal State Fullerton on the road. The lefty went six innings, allowing one run on three hits. It was his first win since February as he missed time with an elbow injury.
Bleich, by the way, is repped by Scott Boras. Given that Boras knows amateur talent better than some teams, it’s yet another sign that Bleich wasn’t a total reach for the Yankees.
The plot thickens. Game 2 of the Regional is tonight and Fullerton will be throwing Cory Arbiso, another Yankees draft pick (22nd round). That game is going to be on ESPN at 7:30 p.m. (EDT).
See how much fun following player development is? The kids are even on television.
UPDATE, 11:16 p.m.: Have you noticed how things go with Hank Stenbrenner?
On Wednesday, he tells the Star-Ledger he will talk to Brain Cashman about an extension this week. Seems like news.
But on Friday, he admits to the Daily News that what he said Wednesday isn’t quite true. No talks will come until after the season.
Meanwhile, Newsday talks to Hal Steinbrenner (who, oh by the way, has as much power as his brother) and he confirms that no talks will be held until after the season.
As for Cashman? “Nothing has changed,” he said when we last spoke. Meaning he’ll decide on his future at the end of the season. As with many things Hank, there were blustery initial comments, a backtrack and then a return to normalcy until the next time. Makes you almost miss those fabricated quotes from George. Not really, though, it sells papers.
Understand this: Half of the equation is whether Cashman wants to return. They may want him. Does he want them?
UPDATE, 1:29 p.m.: Derek Jeter is really good at getting base hits. So good, in fact, that only Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth have more in the history of the Yankees.
You know what Derek Jeter should do with a fast runner on second base and no outs? He should try and get an RBI single, not bunt. Whether Jeter sacrificed on his own or was ordered to do it, it’s a foolish play. That Giambi got a lucky bad-hop single to drive in the run is beside the point.
The Yankees could have saved a lot of money if they wanted to play small ball. Cut some of these $20 million guys and call up Bernie Castro.
Anyone read that Bruney maybe back just after the All Star Break in Newsday?
Pete, say hello to everyone at Dundler-Mifflin!
Let’s hope they’re just resting him.
Maybe, as a consequence, Suzyn and John will be able to spare us from a Beni-hana spot practically every five minutes.
Hope the Yankees can put something together offensively, but I don’t like that Matsui won’t be in the line up.
Peter :
When you see Chad Jennings, give him the best from many posters on your blog for all the fine, concise information he provides.
Chad’s blog is a must see on a daily basis. He’s a true professional.
I understand why Girardi keeps resting people but I think the lack of any consistenty is keeping us from getting in a groove.
Hey Pete, you want to pick me along the way?? Jussst kidding! Should be fun out there.
But I fully expect the Yankees to DESTROY KC first!
we knew the resting and rotating of OF/DH guys was going to happen from the start. we’ve got a glut of 30-somethings with a history of nagging injuries who can no longer hold up to a 162-game schedule. it’s the hand we were dealt with.
i can’t believe i’m saying this, but i’m accepting the fact that Wilson Betimit may be our best option at 1st until the end of the season. in that case, why can’t we swap out Shelley Duncan for Brett Gardner? when Michael Kay notices, on the air, that you have no speed on the bench, it means you really got a bunch of grandmas sitting there. little things like that can mean that extra run and, therefore, extra win, here and there.
not to mention Melky might be less inclined to fall on his ass if he notices Gardner leaving his deodorant in his locker, etc., just as a reminder.
Hey guys…I’m making the drive up from DC to Scranton this afternoon. Anyone else reading right now going tonight?
My brother and I are going. We’re going to leave about three, Scranton is about two hours from here. Can’t wait to see everyone there!
Sweep?
Hope Matsui is just getting rested. Sure would hate to have another injury to a key player just when Posada is back. How amazing will it feel to have the whole line-up posted again
I forgot to dvr the game
Oh Well, hopefully I will remember tonights game.
Not liking all these Boras clients. It’s one thing that we already have Alex and Johnny repped by Boras (well we all know what happened with Alex), but it’s alarming when after all the negative press associated with Boras, young guys who have a choice now still want to have Boras as their agent. I’m suspicious of parents who think it’s ok to have a man like that around their 17-yr-old, and you can’t be a real baseball fan if you don’t despise what he did with the WS opt-out.
Great info, Pete. Thanks for sharing. What’s amazng to me is how are we going to fit all of these incredible prospects into a five man rotation. Looks like we’re going to have tons of amunition to trade for pretty much any player we want.
Can’t wait for these kids to get up to the bigs.
Giardi is just teasing us now.
Pete gives us an update on Eric Duncan. He looks like he’s coming around and still only 23. Much better start at Scranton this year than last. What’s the word in Scranton on him? What are the scouts saying? Does he still have a chance? Have they given up on him? Even he he does continue to hit and get better with the bat is there a position that he can play adequate defense in the big leagues?
He’s at .265 6HR 26RBI 22BB 32K .354OBP .704OPS
last 7 games 11-27 2HR 4 2b 9RBI 8R
Dee
If the fact that draftees are repped by Boras discourages other teams from drafting guys like Cole (or Bleith) then that’s a good deal for the Yankees. Flexing their financial muscles on draftees and inernational FA’s is money well spent.
Gargoyle,
Agree on a talent and financial perspective. Giving Cole $3 million sounds like a good deal compared to the $46mill that we gave Igawa or the $150mill or whatever outrageous amount that Sabathia and Yu Darvish will be asking. What I question is their character that these young players willingly associate themselves with the snake. I’m not old but have always been a bit of an old schooler in believing that it takes hearts, not just talent, to make a champion. I don’t want a future Sheffield or Youkilis infecting our club house.
To everyone making the trip to SWB – Have a great time!
I’m beginning to think that we’ll never see “the” lineup for the Yankees. Between injuries and rotated rests, there really is no single set lineup, it looks like. In theory, rotating out the older players who are more prone to injury or discomfort should make a lot of sense. In practice, it is beginning to seem like they’re in need of more routine.
Maybe with Jorge back the rotation can be more routine or predictable, and maybe that will help. Grasping at straws here, because this has been a most frustrating season to date. Can’t imagine how the players are dealing with it, because their expectations for themselves have got to at least match what the fans’ expectations are.
i suspect Betemit’s at 1st because he’s the guy they consider the best defender there. with Pettitte, not only are there more grounders than usual, but there is also his pickoff weapon. (and then Betemit’s been hitting this week too.)
Giambi’s really improved this year on D, especially on throwing; he & the staff deserve great credit. but still, he doesn’t look very comfortable when he throws to 2nd.
now maybe this is silly on my part – Betemit’s played 22 games at 1B, and i wonder if he has ever made a pickoff throw or started a 3-6-3 before?
george,
Betemit started a 6-3-1 in the day game against Toronto the other day I believe.
It is very very hot today the at the stadium. Fyi papa joba as the security guy at monument park calls him is in the house guess he stayed the week to see kc and alex gordon and joba pitch again
If Betemit is an improvement at first, that should cause real concern. He is not a good fielder.
Bad Scooter, I think it was a 3-6-1 and not the rare 3-6-1. haha
I hope we see good Andy today. Scoring more than 1 run would be a good thing too.
Let’s go Yankees!
Or rare 6-3-1. haha Im stupider.
Given that Andy is still active on my fantasy team, it doesn’t bode well for him today (although I have benched him starting next week)
On the other hand, Bannister is also active on my team, so we might see some offense flying
randy: Your point about excitement is a good one; but isn’t that all the more a sympton of the ‘want results now/soon as possible!’ society that we live in?
Brian Bannister (5-6, 4.60)….this guy is a WORLD BEATER !…He will likely pitch a no-hitter against the lowly Yankees, RIGHT ???
off topic.
fyi- http://www.bodycool.tv/japan.files/designs.html
This is the best invention! You put it in water for 20-30 minutes and it stays cold for hours!! Great for a very hot day. It is from Australia it is used in the outback to keep them cool. If you can find it I suggest you buy it.
It is great for a boiling day, like this.
I thought this was interesting.
player A
IP H R ER BB SO HR ER
6.0 7 2 1 1 5 0 3.08
player B
IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
8.0 9 2 2 0 4 0 2.58
Player A makes 20 some million a year. Player be minor league minimum
This is the actual website for what I posted about earlier.
bodycool.tv
Suppose to be in the 90′s today..
I miss winter!
Don’t fail me now A/C!
S.A.- No pain..no gain
Surely you can’t be serious.
I’ve always hated summer/warm weather. I’ll take snow/ice and freezing my butt off any day.
I know, I’m weird like that.
I’ll say this,,,Mr. Girardi is a real A Plus motivator and has a real fire in his belly. I mean, after that check swing baloney last night, did you see him say ” Oh, Ed” ever so softly ?….I can’t believe that didn’t rally the troops and have them put up a couple of runs in the bottom of the ninth to win that game. But seriously folks…does anyone else think that Girardi, Jeter, A-Rod, Posada…SOMEBODY needs to start screaming at everyone and saying something like..” What the hell is that crap we are putting on the field ??? We are the frickin’ Yankees ! Not some National League .500 team !! ” Ya know,,,like get in their faces and find out what is in there ? Do you see this team and their overall demeanor ? It’s like they are a bunch of robots. ” Oh, I struck out in a big situation. Darn it all. Oh well, no big deal. I’ll maybe get them next time. It’s a long season. We can start playing better soon, or not, maybe later…it doesn’t really matter ” So far, all I see is a bunch of underachievers that more times than not, they find a way to lose instead of RALLYING THE TROOPS,,getting pissed off and fired up and challenging EACH OTHER to EARN THEIR FRICKIN’ KEEP !!! Is this going on and YES is just not showing it ? Because all I see is a bunch of neatly groomed guys, wearing nice new Yankees jerseys that seem not to really care at all when they are playing like CR@P !
Dee,
You’re upset because parents willingly let their kids associate with the best agent in the business?
Parents generally want the best for the kids. They know with Scott Boras as their child’s agent their child has a great advantage in terms of being financially set for life.
O Bronx,
you do realize that not everyone is motivated by having someone yell at them and throw things around in the dugout don’t you?
I seriously doubt that Girardi knocking over water coolers is going to suddenly put fire in the bellies of all of those overpaid losers lol. If/When they turn it around it won’t be because Girardi started smacking everyone on the back of the heads and telling them to wake up. It’ll be because they’ll string together hits and the pitchers will pitch good games all at once.
Think about it, in the past week they lost a few games where they had multi run leads. I guess those were the games the pitchers didn’t care at all about winning. Then they lost a couple of close games so I guess those were the games the hitters just didn’t have any motivation.
As a fan, if it helps him decide, I most surely DO NOT want him.
I can’t understand why the Steinbrenners would want him back either. If he’d done a better job we’d not have a .500 team right now.
I like Cashman well enough.
True, he’s made some bonehead moves–but it’s not like Theo Epstein or Billy Beane have spotless resumès, either.
For all those arguing for a left-handed reliever in the Yankees bullpen, I would like to point out this analysis from Baseball Prospectus’ Caleb Peiffer:
“And the Yankees do have one of the greatest lefty killers of all time at the back of their bullpen: because of his cutter, Mariano Rivera has performed better against southpaws over his career (520 opponent OPS) than against right-handers (601), prompting switch-hitters to sometimes bat right-handed against him.”
“In addition, Edwar Ramirez’s nasty change-up helps him remain shut down lefties–he has posted a 56/14 K/BB against them in his minor league career with New York from 2006 to ’08, without letting allowing an average higher than .170. On the season, New York’s staff has held lefties to a 729 OPS, versus the major league average of 750, while letting righties put up a 740 mark.”
Not having a left-hander in the Yankees’ bullpen has seemingly not killed them against left-handed batters this season, at least not in the aggregate. I personally think the Yankees can get by in their bullpen without a lefty or a LOOGY; as has been pointed out since the start of the season, relievers who can just get batters out–period–are a bullpen’s true assets, and the Yankees *do* have people in the bullpen not named Hawkins and Farnsworth who can do that.
That’s not to say I would not welcome the acquisition of a Fuentes, who is a pretty good reliever (that he’s left-handed is gravy), but acquiring a lefty for the sake of it seems, to me, to be a silly move.
And the Yankees *do* have arms on the farm who can potentially contribute to the major league bullpen, even before you get to Melancon and Cox.
“As a fan, if it helps him decide, I most surely DO NOT want him.
I can’t understand why the Steinbrenners would want him back either. If he’d done a better job we’d not have a .500 team right now.”
It’s all Cashman’s fault that Rodriguez and Posada got hurt and Cano hasn’t hit like he’s supposed to. Stupid Cashman!
I’m gonna be interested to follow how Bet does at 1B today, he’s been improving in a short span at that position. It may come natural to him, the scoops are what he needs to tone up on. I also like his AB before everyone complained how he would strike out but if your paying attention real closely his LD % is now at 31.4, his K% was 28 now has dropped to 25.5 %, his BB % has also improved. This is all w/ him laying off the trash offspeed pitches that get him to strikeout RH or LH side.
Alex Rodriguez also needs to lay off those pitches, the offspeed kills these two. The other guys can put the ball in play w/ the offspeed pitches, not these two.
Fallen Phoenix,
Stop using logic and stats in your arguments. The Yankees need a lefty period, okay?!?
Clinton just officially endorsed Obama, for those interested.
Right, back to baseball.
“Alex Rodriguez also needs to lay off those pitches, the offspeed kills these two. The other guys can put the ball in play w/ the offspeed pitches, not these two.”
I’m pretty sure that ARod’s vulnerability has historically been fastballs inside.
whozat he’s actually handling the fastball inside better whether it’s batspeed or w/e that has surprised me. The offspeed away puts him in gone fishin’ mode. I think he needs to find an in between, seeing his bat speed is not a problem maybe he needs to think offspeed first IDK.
I can’t believe that we have two complete morons running the team now. Cashman is the only sensible guy with some power in this organization, or at least that’s what it seems. The Stenbrenner family are complete idiots.
we gotta score with runners in scoring position with less than 2 outs, so far arod is something like 8 for 42
The Royals are SO bad.
Pettitte needs a big game here. No question about it.
Damon’s going with the high socks today
I hope I am wrong, but towards the end of last nights game (in the 8th I think), when Matsui was trying to stay out of the double play, he seemed to come up a little weird to me. Like he may have pulled or tweaked something. Hopefully it is just his day off and what I think I saw was nothing.
Let’s go Yanks today.
You know, I don’t actually remember the last time I got to watch the Yankees and they won.
So maybe I should turn the game off?
Time to hang up those cleats. If you can’t get the Royals lineup out, you can’t get anybody out.
Andy Pettitte Day at Yankee Stadium next summer. Little doubt in my mind.
Not a good start from Andy
Yup. Time for Andy to hang it up.
Guillen always kills LHP, that ain’t nothing new
.311/.344/.541, he’s having a hot month
Pete! You forgot to mention Bleich’s 5 Ks and that the one run was unearned! It was a phenomenal performance, especially for a guy coming back from injury. I hope those of you that didn’t see it had it Tivo’d or taped. He could pitch in the MLB right now with that curveball.
runner on 3B can they get him in ?
I hope Cano was watching that
It’s way too early to bunt here. Especially considering Damon just roped a double off Bannister.
I see we have some annoying gnats in the room today. Best thing about gnats, they usually get STEPPED on…lol
Anyway, the Yankees should be WELL in the lead when I leave for Scranton.
Its not too early to bunt when you don’t hit with RISP.
Roping doubles aren’t the Yankees problem. Driving in runs are the problem.
They have no choice but to play small ball. They no longer are a good enough or consistent enough offensive team to score runs.
As we see once again with Abreu failing to deliver.
Its a last place team for a reason. They do nothing well as a team.
I hate to second guess but why bunt?
Its the 1st freakin’ inning.
c’mon Alex.
Trippoli: if the curve translates, which is a legitimate question as the stitches (seams) of baseballs in college ball versus professional ball are different. But from what I saw last night, I think Bleich has a *very* viable future as a major leaguer, if the Yankees manage his development right.
And I’m shocked; Michael Kay just spent a good minute, minute and a half rambling about something *correctly* (re: value of sacrificing/trade-offs of playing for one run vs. multiple runs).
Sorry SJ44, with that lineup and with brian Bannister pitching we shouldn’t be playing for one run. Jeter bunting takes away the chances of a big inning. And A Rod probably won’t get Damon home anyway.
I gave my tickets away today and am not close to a TV or computer. How’s the game looking?
Ray, I’m not a parent so maybe I’ll feel differently one day when I have kids. But I just wonder about people’s value system when they trust their children to Boras. Are all the other agents really that bad? I don’t know but I hope not.
How does Andy look??
arod 8 for 42, with RISP so far this yr.. 190, no more excuses, that ain’t good.
they should bunt else they hit into DP..
It is definitely too early. You give away an out and you’re not even guaranteed to score the run anyway. Not to mention you are down 2-0, not 1-0.
thank god he laid off the offspeed at the end.
Thats probably the most frustrating thing, when the team can’t get a run in from third with less than 2 outs. That was the third time it happened in 2 days. Lets go Giambi, pick us up here
Miggs:
Just to make you feel better, Pettitte told Jeter to bunt. Now you can hate Pettitte a little more.
If jeter thought he had a pretty good chance of a bunt hit, then it could make sense.
talk about a break!
You see that ball jump over the 2nd baseman, outstanding!
Wow, luck may start to be evening out for Giambi haha.
BTW that was a sac bunt by Jetes and yes I’d tell him to do it again in the 1st inning if it were me. The whole team is struggling with RISP
well that’s a lucky bounce
Can anyone with an ounce of BB intelligence justify a Sac Bunt in the 1st with Pettitte pitching TERRIBLY?
Miggs,
How many big innings have we seen from this lineup this year? Not many.
We think of this offense as it was last year.
They aren’t the same offense this year.
They don’t hit with RISP and you don’t see many big innings from this group.
When that happens, you play small ball. You have no choice.
The strategy is a function of the lineup being so poor to produce runs.
Ordinarily, I’m not a fan of bunting early in a game.
After watching how inept these guys offensively, Girardi has no choice.
At least at this point of the season.
That’s one thing I always wonder about the shift, with the infielders playing in the outfield. You wonder if he should try to field that slow ball before it gets to the lip of the grass.
Indeed, Phoenix. I think we have ourselves a keeper.
Jeter was bunting for a hit..if he gets it down the line a little more, it’s a hit.
going intothat AB giambi is 6 for 45 with RISP, that is 133..
look at the #’s with RISP that is why they are where they are.
hit 250 with RISP and they have 6 more wins..
lets gooo posada
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“BTW that was a sac bunt by Jetes and yes I’d tell him to do it again in the 1st inning if it were me. The whole team is struggling with RISP”
So, with the entire team struggling with RISP you’d voluntarily give up an out?
IMO, my 30 years of being a fan(atic) tells me that makes no sense, especially with Pettitte looking OLD.
So the small ball worked finally. Sometimes its better being lucky than good. As Posada would say. “ITS TIME TO GRIND”. We need to start eating away at this deficit. Today is a perfect day to start it. Petttitte needs to get into second half of year mode now!!
* headache *
Yeah this offense stinks lets just give up and concede this season right SJ44?
Unless Matsui is hurt which I doubt its a case of Girardi micro managing again.
Matsui is the MVP right now he should be in there
Let’s go Andy.
SJ44, the team will heat up. Hitters eventually hit, although these Yankees the last few years have been notoriously bad starters. You don’t just play to put runs up one at a time, you play to win games. Losing 6-1 is no better than losing 6-0. You especially don’t give pitchers outs early in the game when they are often struggling to get in a groove. If this was a huge strikeout pitcher it might be one thing, but Bannister pitches to contact. The benefit of advancing a runner one base in the first inning is far outweighed by the value of giving away an out by your two hitter, who would likely put it into play anyway. It’s been proven statistically, slumping team or not.
Matsui is the MVP right now he should be in there
Maybe of the team but in the league Josh Hamilton is the MVP
“Jeter was bunting for a hit..if he gets it down the line a little more, it’s a hit.”
That makes a little more sense…can’t see the game except on Gamecenter.
Didn’t mean to come off too harsh…just so disappointing seeing the Yanks UNDERPERFORM day-after-day.
I did not like that Jeter bunt at all. It’s one thing to maybe have Melky bunt or something but I’ve always hated when Jeter does it, he’s too good a hitter especially with men on. Sure the whole team has struggled with RISP but Jeter is hitting .333 in those situations this year and has always been the man with RISP. Why bunt???
“Miggs:
Just to make you feel better, Pettitte told Jeter to bunt. Now you can hate Pettitte a little more.”
Hey 2008 Yankees. You obviously haven’t been posting here long. I really like Pettitte, he’s one of my favorite Yankees, always has been. He’s tough and always gives everything he has, not to mention being a clutch playoff pitcher.
But sometimes you have to know when to say when. His stuff isn’t crisp today (nor has it been most of the year). The Royals have an awful lineup, yet 3 balls were hit on the nose last inning. Not bloop hits, not lucky bounces. They were hit hard. He’s not fooling anybody. I’ve watched this guy pitch forever and it may be his time to go.
The Yankees should give Jete a couple more dollars to teach some guys on the team how to successfully bunt.
“So the small ball worked finally. Sometimes its better being lucky than good. As Posada would say. “ITS TIME TO GRINDâ€. We need to start eating away at this deficit. Today is a perfect day to start it. Petttitte needs to get into second half of year mode now!!”
But we’ll never know what El Capitan would’ve done, either.
sigh. cmon Andy, pitch like its August!
“So, with the entire team struggling with RISP you’d voluntarily give up an out?
IMO, my 30 years of being a fan(atic) tells me that makes no sense, especially with Pettitte looking OLD.”
it’s called manufactoring runs, not giving away outs, his sac bunt moved a runner from 180 feet to feet away from scoring, the next guy just missed a RBI single, the guy after BB, the next guy gets a lucky bounce single, then the last guy lined into an out, But instead of coming away w/ a 1-2-3 inning they grinded that inning a manufactored a run.
his sac bunt moved a runner from 180 feet to 90 * feet away from scoring
Pettitte is really not earning his HUGE salary…maybe he’ll stay in Tejas after the All Star break.
Yep, it’s gonna be a historic 4 game sweep.
This will be remembered as the series that ended the 2008 championship campaign for the yanks.
SJ44 I see your points.
But the way this team is constructed, they aren’t built for “small ball”. They can’t get the bunt down (most of the time), they don’t have lots of team speed, etc.
And being down 2 runs in the 1st inning, the last thing I want to do is be giving up outs. Especially with Jeter up. But I respect your opinion on the subject, I just disagree.
*it’s called manufactoring runs, not giving away outs, his sac bunt moved a runner from 180 feet to 90 feet away from scoring, the next guy just missed an RBI single, the guy after BB, the next guy gets a lucky bounce RBI single , then the last guy lined into an out, But instead of coming away w/ a 1-2-3 inning they grinded that inning and manufactored a run.*
(that whole sentence had errors sorry)
A-Rod and Posada, no.
Cano? Indirectly, yes. Cano’s Girardi’s responsibility. Brain Crashman should have been on top of rookie manager Girardi to get One Pitch Robinson working harder and to stop him swinging at every 1st pitch.
And all three of them should have decent replacements on the bench. A BIG part of why we are .500 is because Ensberg, Gonzales, Duncan are beyond useless. Betemit’s mediocre. That’s all 100% Crashman’s fault.
There’s also no back up for the pitching. If we lose a pitcher to an injury (moose for example), we’re done.
We had a team that was almost good enough to get to the WS last year. Crashman weakened it, so what did anyone expect to happen this year? We’re fighting the Royals as hard as we can, and they are still winning. That’s all Crashman’s work.
Would be nice to get some more runs now. Let’s go bats
Patrick,
Give up on the season? No. Does the offense stink? Yes. It has all year to date.
Will it heat up? We keeping hearing that it will but, we haven’t seen anything to show us it will.
Names are nice. I like production more than names. I haven’t seen production, on a consistent basis, from them all year. Especially w/RISP.
Every team has had injuries so I don’t buy the injury excuse.
They are what they are. I don’t give up on any season. But, I also don’t think the offense is going to magically turn it around. That’s not how it works.
SJ,
I agree that we need to get runs however we can. But the offense is not struggling as of late. (heard yesterday)Since the 12-2 blow out vs. the O’s. They have averaged 6 runs per game. Again, I dont mind sacraficing runners over. But i believe we are putting our offensive struggles behind us.
“Pettitte is really not earning his HUGE salary…maybe he’ll stay in Tejas after the All Star break.”
That would kinda suck since after the ASB is when he usually plays his best ball of the season.
“it’s called manufactoring runs, not giving away outs, his sac bunt moved a runner from 180 feet to feet away from scoring, the next guy just missed a RBI single, the guy after BB, the next guy gets a lucky bounce single, then the last guy lined into an out, But instead of coming away w/ a 1-2-3 inning they grinded that inning a manufactored a run.”
IMO, that is a really thin argument…we’ll never know what Jetes would’ve done…and since he’s our best RISP hitter he may have started a rally.
Plus, you need to look at your starting pitching when your playing for “one run at a time”…Pettitte has been struggling.
Anyway…I’m gonna stop overreacting like I’ve never seen a ballgame…long day and we’re only down one.
GO YANKS!!!
Miggs:
Ok…sorry…I’m on the blog a lot but don’t hang around that much for the game discussions.
Andy, like the rest of the team, has been playing like a .500 much of the season. Somewhere that gets turned around. I thought June, with the return of Posada, would trigger that.
There are exactly 100 games left after this one. If the Yankees go 60-40, they will have a 90-91 win season. I don’t know where they turn this around to play 20 games OVER .500 but it has to start SOON.
“But we’ll never know what El Capitan would’ve done, either.”
he could have struck out, flied out, a single doesn’t score Damon, getting and double w/ that OF not easy, either way they are down 1 run instead of 2.
I don’t care what team it is, how they are hitting, whose on the mound, etc., no one should EVER sac. bunt in the first inning of a baseball game.
Jeter’s done it for years, and it is stupid everytime.
Not that this is at all a good way of analyzing strategy, but a strikeout for jeter or a sac bunt amounted to the same thing in that inning.
Can someone tell brain fart to bunt when we need him to. Not when we dont. Amazing, the best bunt he’s ever laid down with the bases empty. Cano being Cano.
“That would kinda suck since after the ASB is when he usually plays his best ball of the season.”
Yea, that was a STUPID post by me…still believe Pettitte will “turn it around” this year and finish with close to 15 wins and around a 4.00 ERA.
ok so what is with the bunting? Have the Yankees reached that point as an offensive team that they need to resort to bunting?
Good lord, what the hell is Girardi thinking?
I have to say this, to date, he has not been impressive as a manager. In fact, his decisions during games have made him a C manager at best.
Hopefully like the Yankees, he has some magic that he will pull out of his arse.
So, that was an effective inning. Good to see the offense is back after a night off.
It wouldn’t surprise me that Girardi told Cano to bunt. He will MAKE Cano learn one way or another and doing it there gets Cano a litte more comfortable in a non-pressure situation.
I’m “watching” on game cast. Cano just tried bunting for a base hit????
WTH is going on with this team?
Is it it too early to start drinking?
Maybe I’m giving Girardi the benefit of the doubt but it seems he’s treating the first half of the year as spring training. How many times in October/September have the Yankees shown they are only one-dimentional and been reliant on the big hit. You’ll remember those teams in the ’90s did some bunting and running. That was one of Torre’s credits, he brought a NL mentality to an AL club.
Miggs,
I agree they aren’t built for small ball. That’s the rub with the offense. They also aren’t a slugging, dominant offense anymore.
When Cashman put the team together over the winter, I don’t think he, or anybody else, had any idea the offense would be this inept in run scoring situation. Yet, they are.
It puts Girardi in a tough spot. How do you find a way to score runs? He decided small the ball was the way.
Is it the optimum solution? Probably not for the long haul. Right now? They have to do something to try and score runs.
However, until they deconstruct this team and retool the lineup with more functional and consistent players, he may be stuck with this strategy this season.
In all seriousness, I hope this umpire is ok.
But, if posada didn’t buy Giambi a check swing call this game nothing will.
With Girardi, the best comparison I can make manager-wise is he’s the Avery Johnson of baseball. Lots of good qualities as a mrg. but micromanages waaay too much, which sometimes can come back to bite the team so much that it overshadows all of his other good qualities.
what happened?
How would you rate the four Yankee starters…excluding Joba…based on the way they are pitching right now?
Here’s mine:
1. Moose
2. Rasner
3. Wang
4. Pettite
Give up on the season? No. Does the offense stink? Yes. It has all year to date.
You are exaggerating to make a point, I’ve noticed you tend to do that a LOT.
The Yankees are 9th in MLB in OPS. Thats far from terrible. Obviously not what we expect from our Yanks but not that bad. You yourself have said that you hope the Yankees get through May at somewhere near .500 and then go on a run through June and July. Now its June and you are incredibly negative about the team. This team is not bad at all, the offense has improved since April and will continue to improve.
Bob its not even 11 am here and I’m contemplating cracking a beer.
wow they delay the game cause of this
Hope the umpire’s okay. Don’t like to see anyone hurt.
TGF that’s the feeling I get. I mean RISP is a problem and it looks like he’s putting them to earn instead of cheat thier way to a good offense. Yeh people will definitely be pissed about it.
Gathright tried to bunt and it foul tipped Lane right in the mask and it knocked him for a loop.
Pete is one of the few print media writers who really understands the game of baseball, especially regarding bunting in the first inning and the value of Joba as a starte pitching 150+ innings vs. 60 out of the pen.
Bob – it’s never too early!
.. So they will just play with one less umpire?
The reason why he is bunting because the Yankees have not been executing the basics in terms of getting any runs.
Leaving RISP and “free” runs…e.g. a runner on 3rd with less than 2 outs and infield back…they can’t hit a ground ball to second/short and a long fly ball.
o_O this is unreal
never seen this happend be4
Daver based on preseason expectations I completely agree with your list
what happened? i am following the game on gameday.
The reason why he is bunting because the Yankees have not been executing the basics in terms of getting any runs.
Fine, I’ll give you that in Jeter’s case, even though I say it’s the wrong move.
But Cano bunting for a base hit? That makes absolutely zero sense.
Since the lame people at the stadium have not tols us what the delay is anyone watching on tv or radio want to say. All we can see is it looks like the ump got urt
Anyone watching give those of us blacked out an update on what’s going on?
IMO, Signing Teixeira and maybe trading for Holliday and Fuentes (both available)would go a long way toward “retooling” this team. I love Matsui but he’ll be 35 next year and Holliday will be 29…plus, with Matsui’s strong season maybe we could secure some young SF arms in a trade…Fuentes would be $$$ in the 8th.
Holliday is a Coors product if there ever was one. Look at his splits. Giving up what it would take to get him would be a huge mistake IMO.
what is going on there????
what is the delay??
The other ump is switching gear. The game will resume in less than 5 minutes with 3 umps
drink that water jorge
Patrick (the good one)
June 7th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
“You are exaggerating to make a point, I’ve noticed you tend to do that a LOT.”
Patrick, you brought up “conceding the season”
SJ in his opinion is saying what was and what is, in your opinion you are saying what will be.
I think you are both right.
The problem with average runs per game is, you can average 6 runs a game by scoring 12 runs one day and 0 the next.
That’s 6 runs a game.
What’s more effective, scoring 6 runs per game for 2 games or 12 runs in one game and 0 in the other? I like consistency. I don’t like the Jekyll and Hyde nature of this team. Its too inconsistent to be successful, IMO.
If you have watched the games this year you have to concede the offense, regardless of how one manipulates stats.
Especially with RISP. Its beyond poor and I’m being charitable.
Who knows, perhaps they will get hot, go on this big run, and everybody will say, “See, just like last year”.
I tend to think last year was an anomoly. The division is much better this and they aren’t going to just blow up teams the second half of the year as they did last year.
They are going to have to do the little things to win. Defense, getting runners in from third with less than 2 outs, etc.
So far, I haven’t seen them able to do it. Hopefully, it changes soon.
Anyone? Anyone? Pete?
What’s going on????
Yankees get through May at somewhere near .500 and then go on a run through June and July.
Right now, there is no chance of any run in June. They had a chance to start one with Minnesota but blew the last 2 games. They won a series from Toronto they did not deserve.
Now against KC, AT HOME, they look at pewtrid as a college team.
At this point in the season, there is NO reason for this team to look this bad. There are basically NO differences in this lineup from last year, except they are older, slower, and have less desire. That comes from the manager.
Yanks are taking the field now per Sterling, should get going again in a min or 2
Bob umpire KO’d by bunted ball. He can not continue the fight he will be put on day to day status now.
Ravi (and anybody else who didn’t see)
Gathright’s bunt attempt nailed Jerry Lane in the mask and knocked him backwards. Had Posada not reached out and grabbed his hand and then steady him, Lane would have collapsed and maybe knocked himself out. He had trouble getting down the clubhouse steps too.
anyway I hope Jerry Layne is okay…Alice in Chains is my favorite band so I’ve always liked him lol
anyone know why this game is blacked out on the west coast today?
Was the umpire hurt badly IE blood, or just concussion like symptoms?
Never heard of an umpire needing to warm up behind the plate before the inning starts. Iv finally heard it all. What difference does it make who’s pitching?
memo to the ump. A strike is a strike. Everything else is called a ball.
damn Andy that was a bad pitch
SJ44,
Do you think if the team goes into a slide, the front office will consider moving some players?
It seems that Giambi and Abreu, since they have expiring contracts could be movable to a contender that needs a bat.
“IMO, Signing Teixeira and maybe trading for Holliday and Fuentes (both available)would go a long way toward “retooling†this team.”
If you’re a fan of bloated payrolls, inflexible rosters, and overpaid players then hop right on board this train.
I’m staying away. Far far away.
Go hang out with Roger and shoot steroids Andy.
I cant believe how bad this team is playing they cant even beat the Royals. Plus Pettitte stinks this year.
Patrick,
I don’t think OPS is the only way to gauge offensive effectiveness. Its cherrypicking stats.
I tend to think hitting W/RISP is a pretty good indicator of offensive effectiveness. They are at the low end of the AL in that area.
Will it improve? Maybe. The key is WHEN it improves.
If it improves at a point of the season when they aren’t in contention, only to make the stat look more palatable at year’s end, I discount the stat as being meaningful.
To me, WHEN you hit is as important as anything.
And now we are playing with 3 umpires like minor league games…
OK..
I’m starting to get worried about Andy.
I’m over-reacting..right?
right?
My god, don’t we have any pitching!!!!!!!
This team is more frustrating than a drunk prom date.
WOW Pettitte YOU SUCK!!!!!!!
WOW Pettitte YOU SUCK!!!!!!!
Oy, I hope they don’t get swept by the Royals, they lose today and it looks really bad.
If Wang and Pettitte continue to pitch like this we have no shot. We can complain about the hitting with RISP or failing to get a guy in from 3rd with less than 2 outs or the bullpen not getting the job done, but it all comes back to starting pitching.
he dove into that and didn’t even try to get out of the way
And now we are playing with 3 umpires like minor league games
Fitting. Considering how lousy both these teams are might as well be one.
Pettite not looking to good so far
Seriously Bob. If I had nothing better to do on a beautiful June afternoon than troll a rival team’s blog, I would think it may be time to end it all…
We are gonna need to score a lotta runs today
Glad we played for that one run in the 1st inning. It was HUGE!
2 horrible calls in 2 days Arrgghh!!
NYPD correct me if I’m wrong you are a Red Sox fan right ?
rconn 23,
I said the other day that if they are in last place a month from now, they are going to have to seriously consider moving guys.
At some point, you have to look at the team and be honest with what they are.
Will they hit? Can the pitching improve? Is the karma, which is so bad around this team, going to pick up?
Those are unanswerable questions right now.
Gabe Paul, the former Yankee GM from the 70′s used to say the team dictates what trades he will make. If they look and play like contenders, he makes trades to give them a shot to win.
If they play and look like non-contenders, then he makes trades to build the team for the following season.
I think that’s the philosophy you have to take with this group.
Getting pounded by the Royals certainly isn’t making the case for those who think they will “turn it around”.
Unfortunately, with each passing day, it looks more and more like a non-contender rather than a contender.
Man, we are not good right now.
i forgot the royals were such a powerhouse… i wonder who will come out of the AL this year boston or kc.
twice we’ve been messed over by the umps calls
Petitte is beyond done.
if Montague makes one more mistake someone is gonna go ballistic on him, that’s 2 in less than 24 hrs.
Pettitte is downright awful right now. They should make up an injury and let him rest for 2 weeks.
“IMO, Signing Teixeira and maybe trading for Holliday and Fuentes (both available)would go a long way toward “retooling†this team.â€
“If you’re a fan of bloated payrolls, inflexible rosters, and overpaid players then hop right on board this train.
I’m staying away. Far far away.’
Thanks for your highly educated post…how about some facts?Teixeira and Fuentes are a HUGE UPGRADES…Holliday does have bad splits but we have to get younger in the OF.
And they Yankees are moving into a $$$BILLION$$$ money making machine they could care less about payroll (but with Giambi, Pettitte, & Matsui GONE…we’ll have plenty of room).
what was the terrible call this time?
Its not blacked out in the west coast.
No Tex. We have enough overpaid players on the team.
Solution to Pettittes struggles.
Pay Clemens just to sit in the dugout. He’s missing his good luck charm.
The Royals have lost 12 in arow on the road. Now do you fix that its simple just go play the Yankees.
keep picking on the umpires. yeah thats why this team is awful cause of the bad calls.
The Yankees can move some guys but Giambi has a FULL no trade and I think Abreu does too.
Personally, this is just a WHOLE team in a funk. It HAS to turn around. If this is a .500 team, that gives them 81 wins. I truly believe they will end up with 90 wins, which is only a 5 game swing.
another FINE performance out of Wang or Andy…this REALLY helps….we can’t drive in runs to save our lives and Andy is making the Royals look like World Series Champs…SO NICE, HUH ?
george has left it to hank who has left it up to cashman who has left it to girardi who has left it to the players who are going through the motions.
this team has no leader anywhere in ownership or management who has the ability to fire people up.
“BBB, watching a team as terrible as the Yankees provides me with the entertainment I need to help pass the work day.”
you mean you don’t have any friends to chat with via phone, email or IM to help pass the workday? Now there’s a shocker!
you know i think they have support groups out there for socially retarded misanthropes, perhaps searching for one of those might be a better use of ur time on the interwebs?
I cant believe Im watching the Yankees. Losing 5-1 to the Royals ARE YOU JOKING ME
we need contact hitters who will work counts.
“this team has no leader anywhere in ownership or management who has the ability to fire people up.”
or in the clubhouse
The umpire was out of position to make that call at second (since we are playing with only 3). He was clearly picked off of 2B. Not a reason why we’re losing, but it certainly doesn’t help the situation…especially if Buck gets a hit here and 2 runs score instead of 1.
good grief…
Y’all calling for No Teixeira are NUTS:
Gotta hate having a very good defensive 1st baseman going on 29 who averages .300, 30, 120, 90…what am I missing?
man, hard to believe that our top 2 starters this year are mussina and rasner
We have a huge come from behind win on thursday to get back to .500 everyone thinks this will be the turn around and what do they do they have to lifeless games vs the Royals who have lost 12 in arow on the road. Makes you relize that the Yanks will be nothing more than a .500 ballclub this year. Its really sad.
SWEET…we are only down 5-1 to the Royals in the 3rd inning…How about these BUMS win 4 straight AT Yankees Stadium, then we start tossin’ dead weight immediately, starting with Girardi ??? Newsflash,,,managers ARE supposed to motivate players…EVEN the HIGH ON THE HORSE FAT AND LAZY Yankees….tell me, do YOU see a team of motivated players ? I don’t.
yeah, the umps aren’t to blame for the score obviously, but it would be nice if they could perform their jobs correctly regardless especially after f’n up last night.
And there were people here drooling about the “cupcake schedule” the Yanks have in June.
Newsflash people, we are the cupcake on everyone’s schedule this year. Well, except for Seattle.
Jetes needs to BUNT…we can make it 5-2!!!
posada fires it up in the clubhouse. thats why if ever there were a time for this team to turn it around id assume it would be now.
And another blown call hurts the struggling Bombers…
Jeter should bunt here.
“this team has no leader anywhere in ownership or management who has the ability to fire people up.â€
That’s not even close to being the problem. They can’t pitch. Their D is even worst. And the offense goes blind with RISP. THis is a mediocre team full of mediocre players. Forget emotional leaders, firing up people and all that other BS. They need players, good players, that’s what they lack.
The NL Central isn’t a bad division at all this year; it’s better than the AL Central, AL West, and NL West. Might even be better as a whole compared to the NL East too.
BUNT JETER BUNT!!!!
and that’s why they had him bunt
the yankees must have practiced hitting into doubleplays in spring training
damn, he shouldve bunted lol
Girardi is a genius!! That’s why Jeter has to bunt everytime.
Idiot Red Sox fans who waste their lives posting on a Yankees Blog ARE A RIOT !
where’s the hit and run?
Seriously, do these guys realize GIDPs are a bad thing?
Enough already! It’s driving me insane.
man… this team is terrible.
“and that’s why they had him bunt”
Actually put a smile on my face…
Mike Aviles spent his age 22-27 seasons in the minor leagues. For one of the worst franchises in baseball. ANd he compiled a whopping .338 OBP. Kyle Davies has a career ERA of over 6.00. In the NL. Getting whipped by nobodies like this is really getting old. I’m with SJ in that at soem point you have to recognize that a team is what it is. And what it is, I fear is bland, mediocre and overpaid. It is way past time to plan for the future.
Down 4, time for these guys to go thru the motions, finsih the game, and go enjoy their millions.
MrMulligan you obviously haven’t been watching this team for the last 8 years. Your posts support that point.
So let me get this straight. This team has been in payroll hell for years and years now. There is a ton of money coming off the books. Hmmm let’s see. Let’s give 140 million to a guy with numbers comparable to Giambi. Then let’s sign Holliday, who is mediocre outside of Coors.
You’re the typical idiot fan with no perspective or idea how to run a team. You’re also new here and seem to think you run the blog. You can give your opinion, but don’t tell me what to do with mine. Not a good way to make friends.
Oh well….I think I am done here today. All the bit@hing and moaning about everything. I am heading out to Scranton in a bit anyway.
The offense needs to pick up the horrid pitching
Still waiting for that to happen..
This is frustrating to watch
seriously people, blaming the umpires.
This team just sucks. It is now June, can we agree there is no fire on this team, no desire to win. Look at them in the dugout and on the field, they look like 6 yrs olds bored out of their minds.
This is ALL on Girardi, Long, Cashman.
16 mil for Pettitte and he is now KC’s b
16 mil for Giambi and we get little production
28 mil for ARod and he still can’t produce when we need him too.
30 mil new contract for Cano and he looks worse than our AA team.
13 mil for Damon and short of his recent streak nothing.
I can go on but this is just flatly unacceptable. I dare say this team is on the verge of being a bunch of quitters.
It is June and there is still no sign of life, no potential winning streak, no sign of offensive production, and now……..uuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh I am so frustrated.
“I said the other day that if they are in last place a month from now, they are going to have to seriously consider moving guys.”
sj-
i’d agree and that first guy needs to be cashman. he’s had three years. and really more than that. i see no ability to be in charge and lead an organization. i see someone who has risen above his capabilities.
under his watch,he let the red sox win two world championships and all he does is add latroy hawkins? he bet this year on hughes, kennedy, and chamberlain.
he’s lost the bet already.
the dude has to go. cashman is the reason they should put term limits on the yankee gm job.
Tex will get 6 to 7 year 20 million deal from someone. He’s hitting .279 9 homers. What is he going to look like in 2 to 3 years? Giambi had much better numbers before we got him and now we are counting down the days till his contract is up. Its wiser to use our farm to find a capable first baseman.
Look at Andy, mowing down the bottom third of the mighty Royals lineup.
$16 mil well spent.
I think this team really needs to be blown up. I’ve never seen such a pathetic team playing in pinstripes in my life.
Pettitte should have retired. Without the HGH helping him, he plain stinks.
Jeter is captain of grounding into double plays.
The only good thing about this lousy team is that they make even pathetic teams look good. Can’t win against the Royals, can’t win against Seattle.
Girardi has brought nothing to this team. The little dictator has ruined this team. But SJ44 will defend him saying how great a guy he is. Others will be defending him for it being the players who aren’t getting things done. Leadership is lacking on this team, and that starts at the top. Girardi only puts on a show once, kicking his hat, while he had to plan doing that for probably weeks.
This team is swiftly becoming unwatchable.
You’re really have quite the fixation with Cashman, Randy. lol.
Trouble is SOS there is no one in the farm to play 1st.
Cashman seems to forget anymore that you need to develop position players at some point as well.
oh NYPD would I love for some “bad karma” to come your way, god knows your already calling for it
Nice single with runners on base A-Rod! oh wait..
can’t win against Seattle.
You might want to get your facts straight before spouting your stupidity.
Hey Peter or Brian
maybe one of you guys can do a feature on former Concordia all-american Mike Aviles so far he has three extra base hits. Since the Journal News has posted the mnor league stats of local players every sunday nobody has had better numbers and not once has Michael been the story that goes with the stats. Now he is in the bigs. its a great story, only recruited by one college coach, playing at the smallest school in D-2, two time all-american and 2003 national Player of the year. Keep it going Mike pound the Yankees!!!
Bob,
We have a surplus of pitching. We have what others need. Package a couple of our pitchers and flip them for a first baseman.
Whoa guys. Take a breath. We’re .500, it sucks, yeah, but it could be a lot worse.
“he bet this year on hughes, kennedy, and chamberlain.
he’s lost the bet already.
the dude has to go.”
randy l: I am generally a Cash supporter but I do agree that it irks me not only betting this year on hughes and kennedy and having no ‘backups’ in place, but also essentually the same thing last year, betting on Pavano and Igawa which is even worse.
but question for you and the rest of the “Cash has to go” crowd…who would you replace him with? I would only be in favor of giving another GM a chance if he is gonna be better, and I’m not sure who is available that would be.
come on Yankee offense
Show yourselves!!!
“Others will be defending him for it being the players who aren’t getting things done.”
So the players don’t get blamed for not playing well? Sweet, they can rake in millions, not live up to their contract, and get someone else axed instead (well, that is the reality, but for contractual reasons). Hard to reconcile that on a logical level though.
There it is, the only hitter on this roster who’s still trying to work a walk.
Unfortunately, I think NYPD 113th is our bad karma, for all the smack talking about the Red Sox that goes on around here.
Most of you are too young to remember 1959. The Yanks, who had missed the World Series only one year in the last 10, finished third that year and won around 83 games. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. This year is starting to feel the same way.
They didn’t have free agency in those days so the Yanks went out and traded for Roger Maris. Whoever the GM is this winter has a lot of fixing to do, especially with $60M coming off the payroll.
I’m not giving up on this season with the Yanks only five losses behind Boston. Just don’t like what I’m seeing. That’s all.
Watch Jorge walk and Cano hit into a triple play.
Miggs:
MrMulligan you obviously haven’t been watching this team for the last 8 years. Your posts support that point.
So let me get this straight. This team has been in payroll hell for years and years now. There is a ton of money coming off the books. Hmmm let’s see. Let’s give 140 million to a guy with numbers comparable to Giambi. Then let’s sign Holliday, who is mediocre outside of Coors.
You’re the typical idiot fan with no perspective or idea how to run a team. You’re also new here and seem to think you run the blog. You can give your opinion, but don’t tell me what to do with mine. Not a good way to make friends.
Your the IDIOT resulting to personal insults…I’m trying to recommend ways to improve the Yankees and your offering ZERO.
People are not looking at how much Tex would help defensively, his age & production…who is going to play 1st int he new stadium, Betemit?
I can see your input to this BLOG is invaluable…sorry didn’t know your clique here doesn’t allow for dissenting opinions.
PAYROLL HELL is a fantasy to the Yanks…again, when has their payroll sitution ever stopped a move?
Welcome back, Jorge.
oh Georgy how we have missed your bat
Leadership brings out the best in people. Lack of leadership leads to what you are seeing on the field in pinstripes.
Jeter is no leader. All you ever hear is vanilla statements from him.
Girardi gives excuses. Leaders don’t give excuses, they find ways to succeed.
The Yankees are living up to the chant that you hear so often. That starts at the top. Cashman put this pathetic team together. Girardi is “manager”. The only good thing is that Girardi will have a short tenure as manager, and the Yankees might actually have a winning season again.
Hey guys –
I had decent seats for the game last night and took some snapshots. Check it out. (click my name for the website)
Right on, Rebecca. All the teams above us had a great chance to put us in a huge hole with all the injuries and *youngster growing pains* we’ve have, and they didn’t, we’re only what, 6.5 back? While it does suck and all, still within striking distance and still PLENTY of time to go on a run and come back.
Hip Hip JORGE….Optimism FTW!!
Money and money alone isn’t going to solve the Yankees problems.
Its one reason why they are in the pickle they are in.
Gotta make good, solid baseball decisions. If not, the money doesn’t mean a thing.
kee-rist I wish giambi wasn’t as slow as that lard ass papi.
A catcher who can hit! Boy, it feels nice to have one of those.
I **heart** Jorge
“Are those lips or suitcase handles on Cano’s face?”
Wow, a racist Red Sox fan. What a shocker!
What are we going to do to solve this pitching problem?
meanwhile, i believe this is a rally.
Cano hacking at the first pitch against a pitcher who couldn’t find the plate to save his life.
yay cano… finally!
I tend to think hitting W/RISP is a pretty good indicator of offensive effectiveness. They are at the low end of the AL in that area.
Yeah true, they are below average in that respect.
Its just my feeling that the Yankees will start scoring. Abreu, Matsui, Damon and Giambi are all giving us more then they did last year. Cano, A-rod and Posada have not but the latter two are because of injury. We’ll see how it goes but I really do think the offense will hit their stride. The pitching is getting better and I think help is coming for the bullpen. This is a .500 team through the first two months but I think they will only get better.
Yes! Way to go Robbie!
ohh Bet just miss that
Whoa. Are we actually hitting with RISP? This is so cool!
What happened??????
I just hit my head when I fainted after thinkng I saw the Yanks get consecutive hits with RISP.
yay betemit!
Finally, a productive out and they get back in the game!
“Are those lips or suitcase handles on Cano’s face?”
A racist red sox fan AND NYPD police officer. What a shocker as well!
Don’t encourage him, BBB.
I’m sure Peter will eventually take care of stuff like that.
“Tex will get 6 to 7 year 20 million deal from someone. He’s hitting .279 9 homers. What is he going to look like in 2 to 3 years? Giambi had much better numbers before we got him and now we are counting down the days till his contract is up. Its wiser to use our farm to find a capable first baseman.”
I would LOVE to use our farm to find a capable 1st baseman…any suggestions?
We’re gonna need one next year…not in 3-4 years…and one who can fill the 5 Hole (No Giambi, Posada & Matsui on the wrong side of 30).
Tex will certainly be EXPENSIVE, but at 28 he’s a switch hitting, defensively superior 1b with amazing offensive numbers over the last 5+ years…there is no one close who’s available.
He’ll protect AROD for the next 5 years and fill a HUGE HOLE @ 1st defensively.
I Want My WB
Money and money alone isn’t going to solve the Yankees problems.
Its one reason why they are in the pickle they are in.
Gotta make good, solid baseball decisions. If not, the money doesn’t mean a thing.
No doubt about it. Cashman has to clean up this team. Get rid of guys that are just wasting spots on the roster and call up some useful bench players and relief hitters.
we want more runs
oh and check the score, j@ck@$$ !
Can we finally say that Cano is off his year long slump?
Just ignore NYPD guys.
Eventually his mom is gonna call him up from the basement to do his chores.
Guys ignore the troll..
Alright Melky!
Awesome baserunning by Cano, lets see if they can get the run in from third with only 1 out. So far they are 1 for 4 in these situations the last 2 days.
Nice baserunning by Cano.
Dr. Cox,
I was thinking the exact same thing! lol
lifeless
Wha the heck is going on here?
This gamecast thing must be all screwed up. No way the Yanks are doing all this hitting this inning. lol
S.o.S.27
June 7th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Can we finally say that Cano is off his year long slump?
———————
no. not yet. if he can keep it up for another 5 games, then I’ll say that.
Third to first NEVER HAS WORKED in the history of baseball.
I firmly believe that going after both Tex and Sabatthia would be a step backwards. While they both get huge press, it would not be a long term benefit to the Yankees.
These are the type of players we need to avoid, not acquire.
We need more players like you see going to Florida, Angels, Diamondbacks…
Johnny Damon is simply on fire.
Where are the DFA Damon people now??
The sox are a whopping 5 games ahead of us in the loss column. As poorly as we’ve played, we’re one hot streak of being right there.
Some here like Milwakee’s Laporta for first base. Not sure if he’s attainable though.
SJ,
This offense looks pretty consistant this inning. Like i said. They offensive slump is going to be behind us soon. The team is finally healthy.
Nice comeback Yanks!!!
Who is going to pitch the rest of this game though?
good inning here. the real test will be if we get the lead can pettite hold it.
WOOHOO JOHNNY!!!!
Damon has SexyCalves, Robbie has SexyLips…life is good! LET’S GO YANKEES!!!
we picked pat venditte again??
Guess it’s safe to post again. The Yankees woke up, which is bad news for KC and the trolls. Hopefully Pettitte could hold it, but he is not inspiring confidence lately.
nooooo
Keep Bannister in. I was starting to like him
And Bannister’s knocked out of the game; thanks fantasy team curse!
Bob do you think we can bring in Mo for 5?
The Yankees front office actually are trying to do the right things to win in the future. Draft high ceiling guys, stockpile young arms etc. The trouble is that they have impatient fans with expectations to compete for a Wolrd Championship every year. It is a very tough balancing act, and at some point you have to write a season or two off and go in a younger more atheletic direction. That would have meant letting Posada and maybe even Mo get away this offseasom and think wehere they’d be without Mo. The next big decision will be in 2010 when Derek Jeter is sporting a .350 OBP, .400 SLG and playing worse SS defense than he even is today. And he” still be looking for a big 5 year deal at even worse value than the $20 million he makes this year.
SQUEEZE JETER!!! lol
I think its too early to talk about Tex or Sabathia.
You have to monitor both guys.
Its not just about filling needs. You are talking about nine figure contracts for both guys. Are they good enough players for that type of investment?
CC has not pitched well this year. Tex has been ok.
You don’t make good players great by paying them great money.
If I had to make a decision today, I’d pass on both. Especially CC.
I watched Santana last night. Here is where stats don’t tell the story. He pitched in a pitchers park, against an awful hitting team, and compiled good stats.
Here’s the problem. Once again, he sat mainly at 91 on his fastball all night. Eventually, that cost him the game when he left a 91 MPH up for the GW hit.
91 ain’t 95 folks. Johan was hitting 95 at this time last year.
137 million for 6 years and he’s already down 5% in velocity. Scary stuff to me.
“I firmly believe that going after both Tex and Sabatthia would be a step backwards. While they both get huge press, it would not be a long term benefit to the Yankees.
These are the type of players we need to avoid, not acquire.
We need more players like you see going to Florida, Angels, Diamondbacks…”
I understand and agree with the anti-Sabathia sentiment…and Holliday (with the bad splits) is definitely “off-the-board” (thanks to whomever, with intelligent discussion, pointed out the flaws in my argument on here).
I just cannot understand the Anti-Tex opinions when he’d solve 2 HUGE problems for us for the next 5+ years(1b D, 5th Hole O…Giambi was NEVER a solid 1B and Tex is, people).
Wow terrible send by meacham
Unbeleivable
Captain sucks. Another AB, another failure. Why did he even swing at 3-0?
Other teams are lucky that the Yankees are a fairly soft team and refuse to barrel over catchers.
Meachem is absolutely awful. I am officially calling for his firing.
meachem has to be the worst third base coach i have ever seen.
Okay Andy, don’t give back any of those runs now…
I still think Tex would be a good signing. Obviously see what he does this season and then evaluate it but right now I’d say they need to sign him.
Captain Rally Killer.
“Nobody on 1st, don’t worry I can still hit into a DP.”
The “other” issue is that the Rays, Fla, etc. are now signing their young players…the days of the Yanks swooping in and getting 26 yeard old studs due to “affordability” issues is GONE.
Can someone describe that last play…I cannot watch the game in FLA.
meachem must be fired… is he a complete moron does he even study the outfield arms. how many more times are we going to see the all beat the runner home by a good 10 feet.
SOS,
Its not about an inning or a game. Its about doing it over a longer period of time.
We thought they “woke up” against Toronto the other day.
Before we declare the offense alive and well, I’d like to see 5 straight games of solid offensive baseball. Until then, while I’m happy they are back in the game, I’m not ready to declare Murderers Row has been reincarnated.
How sahllow was the fly ball?
Guillen has a gun. Never a good idea to run on him.
Meachem is on my sh!t list
bobby meachem should be fired. guillen has a cannon, was charging, and the ball wasn’t deep. and i don’t want to hear anything about how maybe melky went on his own. if he did, it is still meachem’s (and girardi’s) fault for not instructing the players to listen, and if they don’t, bench them. we are a HORROR on the basepaths this year, especially from third to home, and ultimately that falls on the coaching. disgusting.
Does Meachem ever not send runners?
Not the best possible contract year for Sabathia; so far he’s started with 2 bad games, followed up by 2 terrible games, then a 7 game of pretty good pitching (with a 4 run hiccup in there), and then his 2 most recent games were rocky (4 ER in both of them, both losses)
Speaking of disappointing pitchers, what’s up with Verlander and Oswalt this year? :/
Let’s hope this is the inning Pettitte stops sucking.
“I think its too early to talk about Tex or Sabathia.
You have to monitor both guys.
Its not just about filling needs. You are talking about nine figure contracts for both guys. Are they good enough players for that type of investment?
CC has not pitched well this year. Tex has been ok.
You don’t make good players great by paying them great money.
If I had to make a decision today, I’d pass on both. Especially CC.
I watched Santana last night. Here is where stats don’t tell the story. He pitched in a pitchers park, against an awful hitting team, and compiled good stats.
Here’s the problem. Once again, he sat mainly at 91 on his fastball all night. Eventually, that cost him the game when he left a 91 MPH up for the GW hit.
91 ain’t 95 folks. Johan was hitting 95 at this time last year.
137 million for 6 years and he’s already down 5% in velocity. Scary stuff to me.”
GREAT POST
I don’t like Meachem but I don’t think that’s a terrible send. Abreu has not looked great so far today so I give that one a try with Gillen running toward the stands. Again..meachem is bad but if that was his worst play we’d be ok.
“PAYROLL HELL is a fantasy to the Yanks…again, when has their payroll sitution ever stopped a move?”
Where do I even start with this one.
Payroll is the reason they don’t have Johan Santana.
Payroll is the reason they can’t make a trade.
Payroll is the reason they didn’t sign more FA bullpen guys.
Even heard of luxury tax? revenue sharing? The team has been getting killed by these 2 things. They fund other team’s payrolls. They haven’t turned a profit the last 2 years (not sure I believe that but that’s what they say).
Just be logical. If you were an opposing GM, regardless of the players involved as long as it was considered equal talent, would you trade for any of the following:
A Rod 27M
Giambi 23M
Jeter 20M
Abreu 16M
Damon 13M
Posada 14M
Farnsworth 6M
Igawa 5M
Matsui 13M
Mussina 12M
Mo 15M
If I’m an opposing GM, the only guys I consider from that list are A Rod and Mo.
And only 2-3 teams can afford them.
So logically, it wouldn’t make sense to add 3 more guys to that list (Holliday, Fuentes, Texiera) and actually hurt the team and set it back further.
oh and I didn’t even add Pavano 10M.
Good thing Raz went deep yesterday since this game appears it will be decided by BPs. (Just as Andy gets two quick outs…)
You can blame meachem all you want, but the only guy on this team who would knock a catcher down is Shelley Duncan. No catcher has to think twice about sitting right on the plate. They can have the plate completely blocked and I’ve seen guys like Damon slide every time even though there’s no plate to slide into.
Pop fly to right field. Cabrera thrown out tagging up at home.
Keep in mind meachum bashers. The comeback the other day happened from aggressive base running from Damon at third.
Im not a fan. Just saying.
“but question for you and the rest of the “Cash has to go†crowd…who would you replace him with?”
baseball is a big industry. there are people who would kill to have the job. the inertia is what has to go. he’s just been there too long in that role.
bump him up,sideways ,or out, but fresh blood is needed.
nice quick inning!! now let’s get the lead
I just cannot understand the Anti-Tex opinions when he’d solve 2 HUGE problems for us for the next 5+ years(1b D, 5th Hole O…Giambi was NEVER a solid 1B and Tex is, people).
the fear with Tex is that he has back issues and since he is a Boras client, I fear that the amount of cash he will command, there will simply be no return on the investment – although there has been absolutely nothing from Giambi.
I think the Yankees need a solid defensive 1b option that will come at half the price of Tex. The pitchers the Yankees have are more inclined to produce ground balls and the DP will be a necessity. You need a good 1B player for that.
Spend the money on pitching, catching, and corner fielders.
big joe,
if thats hes worst send we are in big trouble. guillen has a canon it wasnt particularly deep and he was coming forward on the catch. this isnt the first time weve seen meachem send the runner when you knew it was a bad idea. he is awful and i dont see how continuously making bonehead outs at home plate when your team struggles to score is not big trouble.
Tex last 15 games:
.281, 4 HR, 16 RBI, 7 R
He is “heating up” and when (IMO) he again finishes @ .300, 30, 120, 90 with solid 1B D and age 28…he’ll be our HUGE FA splash going into the NEW Yankee Stadium
And if meachem had held the runner, half of you would be crying to fire him for not sending the runner on a medium-depth flyball with two outs.
Everyone’s a sage of managing in hindsight. The other team’s guy made a great play, give him credit. That ball wasn’t deep but wasn’t shallow either.
I’m just following the game online,so I can’t see how it went down, but you gotta know that Guillen has a fanastic arm. Hard to make the third out running on it. Borderline ridiculous! Oh well, those are the kinds of things that make baseball so great.
who would you replace him with?â€
John Shurholz out of retirement. Won’t happen but that would be a good choice.
Or, you go hard after Billy Beane. I still believe that the combination of Yankee money and Beane’s skills, it would be a good blend for the Yankees, in terms of building a consistent farm system, team – long term framework, not instant gradification that they have done since losing to Arizona in 2001.
Patrick,
I can understand that sentiment. I watched CC’s start the other night against Texas with particular interest.
Mainly because Texas in Texas hits like an AL East team.
CC got staked to a 4 run lead and on a hot night, he couldn’t hold the lead. You could see him laboring and he wilted in the heat.
I thought to myself, “How is this guy going to hold up in NYC on hot, muggy summer days”? That concerns me.
Tex plays everyday. Has done it in Atlanta and Texas, two humid places, and he has produced in both locales.
Playing everyday is no small order. Its something that I believe is very underrated.
Especially when you are paying someone over 120 million bucks.
Dfox
good idea we havent been hampered with injuries enough lets send our best players crashing into the catcher who is covered in body armor because our third base coach is a moron.
Joba’s full of energy
berniepaul&tino – Like SOS said his bone head play earlier this week worked. If that throw is anything but perfect he’s safe. Like I said if that was his worst error we’d be ok. THe problem is it’s not his worst he fouls up alot…my only point is that that was a border line send to me with Abreu not looking sharp today.
“he bet this year on hughes, kennedy, and chamberlain.
he’s lost the bet already.”
It surprises me how often this same point is still being repeated again and again by both the fans and the media.
They are not a last place team on June 7 because of those three rookie pitchers.
Perhaps you could say they are not in first place because to the marginal wins Hughes and Kennedy cost them (why Joba is being blamed for the team not performing I have no idea…).
But Hughes and Kennedy are not the reason in any way why the team stinks.
There’s a big difference between why a team is not in first place and why a team is in last place and stinks.
The immediate problem this team has is that its in last place and cannot get over .500.
There are two overwhelming reasons why it can’t get over .500. First, the offense is terrible at situational hitting and doesn’t score runs consistently. Second, Pettite and Wang have been awful for the past month.
No team can survive its #1 and #2 starter pitching terribly for that long. Nor can they survive an offense that is so inconsistent and is so dramatically underperforming reasonable expectations.
Ironically, it was the offense and Wang/ Pettite which were supposed to be the foundation for the team’s success this year.
Those foundations aren’t giving support right now. That’s why the team is playing poorly.
Hughes and Kennedy are no longer even on the team. Their early poor performances made it very difficult for this team to reach the level of say .650 ball by June 7.
But we’re not asking for .650 ball – this team is no where close to that.
This team is barely .500. That level of terrible performance to date is on the offense first and Wang/Pettite second.
I’ve looked at all the statistics – this offense is severely underperforming expectations. They’ve scored anywhere from 60-90 runs fewer then expected. That’s 6-9 lost wins.
No one – and I mean no one – anticipated that the offense or the veteran pitchers would be so bad to date. No one. Not in the media. Not among the fans.
Enough with the harping on Hughes and Kennedy and not trading for Santana.
That’s not why the team has been so bad to date. I still anticipate the team playing much, much better.
But for them to improve the first thing is that they need to start scoring way more runs and Wang and Pettite have to get righted.
stop offering at the offspeed
Here’s why we should sign Texiera: Derek Jeter should be playing 1B in the next 2 years.
That’s right, I said it. The D isn’t what it used to be, he’d be phenominal at 1B, and he’s getting older (time to protect from injuries)
Perhaps one Carmen Angelini would be able to step in in a few years?
There’s our 28M man. Great swing.
Mrs. Arod, please give your husband some or let him out on the town for a weekend bender so he can start hitting again.
I just cannot understand the Anti-Tex opinions when he’d solve 2 HUGE problems for us for the next 5+ years(1b D, 5th Hole O…Giambi was NEVER a solid 1B and Tex is, people).
“the fear with Tex is that he has back issues and since he is a Boras client, I fear that the amount of cash he will command, there will simply be no return on the investment – although there has been absolutely nothing from Giambi.
I think the Yankees need a solid defensive 1b option that will come at half the price of Tex. The pitchers the Yankees have are more inclined to produce ground balls and the DP will be a necessity. You need a good 1B player for that.
Spend the money on pitching, catching, and corner fielders”
I understand and certainly feel your opinion has many valid points BUT IMO, we also need an established, solid 5-hole hitter for the next 5+ years to protect AROD…we can’t get that “on the cheap” or with an aging Posada or Matsui.
SJ is right.
A 4-run rally doesn’t change the fact that this team hasn’t gotten a quality start out of its #1 or #2 starter in over a month, even when playing against 2nd division garbage like the Mariners and Royals. Working young upside guys like Joba and Hughes into the staff, and drafting the Brackmans and Betances of the world is much smarter than throwing money and draft picks at guys whose best work is behind them (CC, Tex, Santana, etc).
I think Giambi secretly has “HGH” hidden in his porn stache.
sorry, why we shouldn’t sign Texiera
Giambi’s in love with that upper deck
its amazing how giambi and damon are the ones carrying this team i have to admit i was wrong about these two guys. where would we be had we dfa’d them.
Tex last 15 games:
.281, 4 HR, 16 RBI, 7 R
He is “heating upâ€
His average is .281 when he’s hot? I’d hate to see him when he’s cold. And 4 Hrs in 15 games isn’t even that great (on pace for 41-42).
I’d rather have Giambi.
See that upper deck shot? I don’t think Tex is reaching that anytime soon.
Believe in the ‘stache
“And if meachem had held the runner, half of you would be crying to fire him for not sending the runner on a medium-depth flyball with two outs.
Everyone’s a sage of managing in hindsight. The other team’s guy made a great play, give him credit. That ball wasn’t deep but wasn’t shallow either.”
But doesn’t Guillen normally have a pretty good arm? And shouldn’t Meachem be aware of that?
It is not just today, it is at least 6 or 7 questionable decisions he’s made regarding sending runners. He’s had guys running on Nick Markakis and whatnot, he should know better than that.
anyway YEAH GIAMBINO!!!!
jesus that was a shot
That’s it.
I am growing a ‘stache.
“Mrs. Arod, please give your husband some or let him out on the town for a weekend bender so he can start hitting again.”
Or have the man grow his own porn-stache!
we also need an established, solid 5-hole hitter for the next 5+ years to protect AROD…we can’t get that “on the cheap†or with an aging Posada or Matsui.
You are right. Tough call on this one. if he had a different agent and could come down by 20 million, then no questions.
I’m growing a mustache
Is SJ44 still trying to banish Giambi to Siberia or is he speaking in coherent sentences now?
Brandon,,,,that wasn’t Jesus it was Giambino,,,just ask eddie Harris “jesus christ couldn’t hit a curve ball”
Or have the man grow his own porn-stache
I don’t think Arod has that much facial hair. Would look like a 15 yr old’s peach fuzz
Some guys can’t do the ‘stache thing….just ask Sidney Crosby…that was horrid.
Pete, the reason Jeter must bunt is that he is leading the league in GIDP, hitting under .280, leaving runners on third with less than two outs. He has to help the team somehow.
I dont care if he has more singles than Pete Rose, dude needs to start being a captain and earning his dough.
Now if these guys don’t kill Tomko, something is seriously wrong. He is absolutely awful.
He really doesn’t learn, another first pitch popup. Cano must be a retard.
“Where do I even start with this one.
Payroll is the reason they don’t have Johan Santana.
Payroll is the reason they can’t make a trade.
Payroll is the reason they didn’t sign more FA bullpen guys.
Even heard of luxury tax? revenue sharing? The team has been getting killed by these 2 things. They fund other team’s payrolls. They haven’t turned a profit the last 2 years (not sure I believe that but that’s what they say).
Just be logical. If you were an opposing GM, regardless of the players involved as long as it was considered equal talent, would you trade for any of the following:
A Rod 27M
Giambi 23M
Jeter 20M
Abreu 16M
Damon 13M
Posada 14M
Farnsworth 6M
Igawa 5M
Matsui 13M
Mussina 12M
Mo 15M
If I’m an opposing GM, the only guys I consider from that list are A Rod and Mo.
And only 2-3 teams can afford them.
So logically, it wouldn’t make sense to add 3 more guys to that list (Holliday, Fuentes, Texiera) and actually hurt the team and set it back further.’
Thanks for a civil retort…I still believe your logic is flawed.
Johan Santana is not here because of what we had to give up, his falling stats & rising HR’s given-up, and lastly his LONGTERM $$$ commited (not annual $$$ amounts).
Next, we’re talking next year…no Giambi -23M, no Farnsworth -6M, no Pavano -10M, etc. so we’ll have $$$.
(Not to mention the huge revenues from a new stadium.)
And we HAVE TO HAVE a solid defensive 1B and solid #5 hitter…IMO, Tex is BOTH.
And, as I’ve mentioned, I was WRONG on Holliday but IMO 100% right on Fuentes.
Aaaand Robbie flied out to the Rutgers alumnus?
Question. Do we pick up Giambi’s option if he hits 35+ homers and 260+ avg?
Actually, with all the dead weight coming off the books next year, we can sign Sabathia and TEx and still save money. Plus we dont have a major league ready 1b in the minors. I think its a good move. Not Holliday though, that guy is trash. Id rather see Gardner.
Tex last 15 games:
.281, 4 HR, 16 RBI, 7 R
He is “heating upâ€
“His average is .281 when he’s hot? I’d hate to see him when he’s cold. And 4 Hrs in 15 games isn’t even that great (on pace for 41-42).
I’d rather have Giambi.
See that upper deck shot? I don’t think Tex is reaching that anytime soon.”
Thanks for a good laugh… LOVE THE STACHE!
They can run on the right fielder now…only has one wheel. Send em all Bobby!
S.O.S. I think you pay the buyout (5 million) and sign him for 8-10 million more.
If you pick up the option you pay 23 million (I think)
Did someone give NYPD a ball of string to play with? Not so chirpy now that the Yanks have the lead.
I think all the Yankee fans on this blog should grow a porn stache. Even the ladies here. I believe we wouldnt lose anothe game this year.
“Did someone give NYPD a ball of string to play with? Not so chirpy now that the Yanks have the lead.”
hahahaha
very nice andy
Wow Pettitte really settled down. I don’t mind being wrong on that one.
Just what the doctor ordered, 2 quick innings in a row to keep the pitch count down so he can pitch the 7th
if it didnt look like a 14 yr old boys stache i would
as far as coaches go.i’m not crazy about having so many coaches who had mediocre careers and so little personal experience with excellence.
some coaches with no star experience is fine, but too many and no one knows how to win.
I think the option is $22mm…according to this site…..
http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=981
I was gonna say, somebody here got real quiet all the sudden.
Must have gone to talk trash on a Mariners blog.
these 2 innings by andy were huge. keep our fielders in the dugout on this hot day and keep sending the royals out in the heat. that has to really be wearing on them.
“S.O.S. I think you pay the buyout (5 million) and sign him for 8-10 million more.
If you pick up the option you pay 23 million (I think)”
And can we please all agree that if we do this for next year we play him 100% @ DH?
“I think all the Yankee fans on this blog should grow a porn stache. Even the ladies here.”
Um yeah..I’m gonna vote no. I think I will leave the porn stache growing to the males.
Don’t wanna scare people…
Bonderman has a blood clot; he was placed on 15-day DL today and has a possibility of missing the rest of the season
betemit really drives the ball from the left side.
miggs,
I would only resign him if he’s going to be full time dh. Which means trading one of our left fielders in the off season.
Tomko, 2 pitches 2 outs.
Comeone guys, he’s one of the worst pitchers in baseball!
FYI. Jeters first inning sacrafice and grinding out that run might give us the win today.
the one thing im scared of most is if we lose giambi and abreu next year. this team will lose two of their most patient hitters. the great yankees teams would always work counts and se a lot of pitches. we are starting to see that change this year and losing those two would really hurt us in that aspect
Just for Miggs:
Tex’s last 7 games:
.357, 3 HR, 7 RBI, 6 R
But the STACHE is dominating, baby!!! (Just would love him more @ DH ONLY.)
Dagnabbit, Johnny, you would have made it if you hadn’t have shaved that ‘stache…
so meachem is not the only one who didnt read guillen’s scouting report.
The Yankees are being a bit too aggressive on the base paths.
awwww Johnny. got a little greedy there. Time to start growing a new ‘stache!
Damon got greedy.
waste
STOP RUNNING ON GUILLEN!!!!!
being shut down by Tomko, what else is new?
so who’s coming up in the 8th to hand the ball to Mo with the lead??
guillen has a hose…
“Did someone give NYPD a ball of string to play with? Not so chirpy now that the Yanks have the lead.â€
His mom called him up from the basement.
No Damon. Can we blame Meachum for that one as well.
I hope Rasner is paying attention. THIS is how you deliver a lead to your bullpen and win ballgames.
(I started writing this before the leadoff double)
LMAO S.A., I too will take a pass on growing a ‘stache for the same reasons. But maybe I can try to talk my man into growing one, he has a gigantic man crush on Giambi anyway.
……and now Andy gives up the lead. Damn it.
“Bonderman has a blood clot; he was placed on 15-day DL today and has a possibility of missing the rest of the season”
Bonderman is out for the season. The main problem he has isn’t actually the blood clot. He was diagnosed with thoracic outlet syndrome – that’s what caused him to get the clot. That’s what he had the surgery to correct. Per will carroll the recovery time for thoracic outlet syndrome is anywhere from 6-12 months.
Thins just keep getting worse and worse in detroit.
Here we go again. arghhhhh
oh Jeez
If you’re trading one, I think it has to be Damon. As I type this, he goes 4-4 and gets thrown out at 2nd.
My reasoning is that Gardner, who you can bring up to replace him, has a similar skill set. If you trade Matsui, you lose a big power bat. Although those who want to sign Tex will argue that he fills that void.
And Damon plays better defense than Matsui.
I don’t know. Its a tough call. I’m in favor of bringing Abreu back also.
Who do you guys think has more trade value Matsui or Damon?
Both make 13 million a year and are signed through 2009.
“But doesn’t Guillen normally have a pretty good arm? And shouldn’t Meachem be aware of that?
It is not just today, it is at least 6 or 7 questionable decisions he’s made regarding sending runners. He’s had guys running on Nick Markakis and whatnot, he should know better than that.
anyway YEAH GIAMBINO!!!!”
Why would you think Meachem isn’t aware of it. He took a chance, he just lost because the other team made a great play. That was not a shallow flyball by any means. There were 2 outs, if he hadn’t sent Melky, half the board would be cursing him for not taking a chance when we all know the Yanks have been atrocious at situational hitting. He probably just decided to risk it rather than gambling on getting the 2 out hit.
oh brother
uuuuuugh
Here we go, Andy goes right back to sucking.
“I hope Rasner is paying attention. THIS is how you deliver a lead to your bullpen and win ballgames.
(I started writing this before the leadoff double)”
Yeah think you spoke way too early
**ck darn it
when was the last time Andy held a lead?
Wow, that went bad rather quickly.
so much for that lead… hey girardi… wanna visit the mound??
Who is warming up?
“when was the last time Andy held a lead?”
Last season.
“guillen has a hose…”
Watch what you say on this board. Kids read this blog.
Seriously…it was Rasner’s fault? Come on!
“They are not a last place team on June 7 because of those three rookie pitchers.”r
plug in livan hernandez innings into the fifth spot that kennedy occupied and the yankees are 5-6 games better.
that said there are all kinds of reasons why this team is bad. arod even when he has played is not arod, jeter’s on base percentage is way down. cano we know. posada out. defense has been shaky all year. wang has been messed with so much he can’t keep his mechanics in sync.
but if two slots weren’t given to rookies, this team could still be a game or two out of first place.
CB: Well, the article I read needs to get updated then (I’m looking at you, MSNBC!) :/
Looks like Mr. Bonderman should be careful during his recovery; poor posture doesn’t help with this particular disorder
As for the Tigers, looks like Willis slides in to complete the rotation for the time being?
“If you’re trading one, I think it has to be Damon. As I type this, he goes 4-4 and gets thrown out at 2nd.
My reasoning is that Gardner, who you can bring up to replace him, has a similar skill set. If you trade Matsui, you lose a big power bat. Although those who want to sign Tex will argue that he fills that void.
And Damon plays better defense than Matsui.
I don’t know. Its a tough call. I’m in favor of bringing Abreu back also.
Who do you guys think has more trade value Matsui or Damon?
Both make 13 million a year and are signed through 2009.”
Offseason trade has to be Matsui (if he keeps up the production and doesn’t get hurt)…wasn’t SF interested in trading for him this year?
Of course, we’ll need a big bat to replace his…preferably someone 6 years younger?
Three straight hits against the bottom of the order for the freakin royals. Just unreal. Just… I don’t know.
I’m scared to look at what happens here
Do we have a pen arm that can induce a DP ball?
I can’t watch. Tell me when it’s over.
Teahen has been a HR Machine…anyone think we should go to the pen?
Teahen 23 GIDPs last year….come on!
“Three straight hits against the bottom of the order for the freakin royals. Just unreal. Just… I don’t know.”
It reminds me how we would have trouble beating TB when they were in last place.
Teahen L7: 3 HRs…c’mon Andy
C’mon Andy…GUT this inning out
They letting him pitch to Guillen?
I’m scared.
WHY WHY WHY IS PETTITTE PITCHING TO GUILLEN??????
grand slam?
You all laugh at Joe for trying to bunt and look at this inning. Every Royal knows how to bunt. This team is fun da mental poor
I’d go to the pen here.
he’s got him set up
This is a dangerous call by Girardi, but we’ve seen how loyal he is to his veterans. This could go either way.
dammit.
Time to take Andy Igawa behind the shed
Im going to come out and say Girardi is going to the well 1 too many times. Ballsy.
GIRARDI has his head up his a**
give girardi credit guillen had already hit a homer and righties hit 380 vs andy and andy was over 100 pitches but he goes with andy. hes as bad as torre was at the end.
this team blows
good job pettie… you too girardi…
You know WHAT GIRARDI, maybe that will teach you a lesson. You putz. Rasner should have been removed last night and Pettitte should have been removed after the 6th inning.
Girardi is the anti-Torre in at least one aspect, he loves staying with his pitchers as long as possible instead of pulling them at a moment’s notice. Not looking like such a good move right now, to say the least.
what the heck do they have to do, spot him 4 runs every inning, good grief Andy!
Dammit!!!!
Who didn’t see that comming?
FU Girardi.
Fu to this whole team.
I’m done
jesus fn christ
Yikes!
Petit is such a looser. This team are all quitters. Sad Sad
ugh
wow what does the era go up to after a 10 run outing. this team is so much fun this year!
its like a bad movie
That’s it…fire Meachem!
Easy to second guess Girardi there, huh?
Now this one’s over and all the momentum from Thursday is gone.
That was Girardi. Leaving a guy in who has already hit a homer with two outs and the bases loaded???
There goes the game, series, season
I don’t think Damon or MAtsui have any trade value. Neither player is much better than league average offensively for a corner OF, and both are well below average defensively. You do’t pay $13 million per year for that, particularly when the player is on the wrong side of 30. I am not sure anyone would even take Damon’s contratc let alone give up a player unless they thought he could play centerfield.
When was the last time Pettitte gave up 10 runs in a game?
not sure what pettitte is thinking going back with a pitch inside there
wow our starters go 110+ pitches 2 days straight.
Shows you what Girardi thinks of the bullpen. Is anyone else counting down the days until Cox and Melancon get here?
pathetic
Pettite = 4.99 ERA
Great line by Kay….”Andy Pettite gives up 10 runs to a team that can’t score” nice.
Next time the Yankees feel like tossing $16,000,000 out the window, I’m a willing recipient.
What was with the pitch calling there? They threw the exact same pitch to Guillen five times in a row. They had him set up for something on the outer half, and came in again. Terrible game calling there.
“plug in livan hernandez innings into the fifth spot that kennedy occupied and the yankees are 5-6 games better.”
Not true. Livan Hernandez has an ERA of 4.81.
The yankee offense is averaging 4.5 runs a game.
Even more importantly – Hernandez has given up a lot of unearned runs – his runs allowed this year is 5.36. And the twins are a better defensive team than the yanks. On the yanks his averaged runs allowed per game would be considerably higher.
So at best the yankees may have one a couple of additional games.
And even more to the point – during the first month during which hughes and kennedy were both in the rotation the offense was particularly horrid. They’ve gotten somewhat better over the past month to six weeks since giambi and damon got hot.
Doesn’t matter is you lose 9-2 or 6-2. You still lose. Hernandez or a similar pitcher may have gotten them a couple of wins to get them 1-3 games above .500 but that’s about it.
They still would be a team that is struggling severely.
If andy is going to give up grand slams in the 7th on a 2 strike count they are going to be a bad team.
It has nothing at this point to do with the two rookie pitchers who are no longer in the rotation.
And it’s not Girardi’s fault? This inning is all on him, why, oh why don’t you go to the bullpen after the 6th? Terrible managing right there.
I’ve got a feeling that this will be Andy’s last year pitching if things continue to go like this. I cannot believe that everyone else can beat the Royals but us. If we can’t beat them, how the hell are we going to be a good team?
he just can’t get away without giving up HR’s
NOW girardi decides to get his pathetic arse out of the dugout… wassamatter ?? Run out of sunflower seeds?
Putz.
randy: Not necessarily would there be such a big improvement if the only difference was that you slide in someone like Livan Hernandez into Kennedy’s (or Hughes’s) starts.
For the most part, the offense was very bad in their starts.
When Kennedy pitched, the Yankees scored 4, 0, 8, 0, 3, 4, 2, 2, and 9 (mean average of 3.56 runs per game).
The Yankees won the 8 and the second 2 (ie second to last game). The 9 sounds quite reasonable to be won if Livan or Livan-like pitched, cause I just can’t imagine him giving up 4-run leads twice. The two 4′s are iffy.
When Hughes pitched, the Yankees scored 3, 2, 5, 2, 6, and 4 (mean average of 3.67 runs per game).
The Yankees won only the 3. Losing the 6 was a weird one, as that was the start where Hughes went 2 clean innings, and then that long rain delay came, so Hughes wasn’t allowed to come out again. The 5 should be reasonably winnable by a Livan-type + bullpen, but there is a chance he would lose that. The 4 is iffy and the two 2′s I’m personally not confident about. Whether a Livan-type would have won the 3 is up in the air. Livan for example, did give up just 2 in his first start, but 4 in his second.
ok I can’t defend Joe G on that one…
Half the folks on this board were questioning why the hell is Andy pitching to Guillen *before* THAT happened
this team sucks… Andy is such a joke the yanks come all the way back from 5-1 to make it 6-5 and he goes out and gives up 5 runs! He sucks this team sucks Im done with this
Confidential to D. Rasner: that thing I was talking about before, you know it was just a joke, right? You da man, Ras! Don’t stop believing.
I’m not second guessing…I said it before the HR I would have gone to the pen. So did a couple others.
So we had a manager last year that pulled a pitcher out too soon and now we have one that leaves em too long. Maybe we can find one next year that is just right. Pettitte needs to get his head out his rear. Horne, when will you be ready? Totally inexcusable!!
that’s not on Girardi that’s Andy Pettitte, I’m sorry he has pitched PA – THE- TIC !… those 10 runs are well deserved.
I thought Girardi was supposed to be a smart manager, a real numbers guy. Brilliant move. Absolutely brilliant.
This is yet another reason why this team is going to close out the great stadium with a whimper.
If I were the owner, Girardi would be packing his bags this afternoon. That has to be one of the stupidest moves I have ever seen in baseball.
Great job Girardi. You managed this game to another loss.
Lets hear it for the moron who was named manager… Girardi. The opposition must absolutely love the guy.
remember in the good ole days when we had guys like stanton nelson, medoza who we could go to without hesitation knowing they would get the job done. also making torre look like a genius. i guess its tough to do that for girardi when you have a gm he completely ignores the bullpen or throws huge contracts at latroy hawkins and kyle farnsworh.
Does Girardi still believe Pettitte is the same pitcher he caught a decade ago?
TERRIBLE managing…TERRIBLE
You’re a day late and a dollar short there, Joe…
My 8-year-old nephew knew Pettitte should have been removed with his pitch count at 100+ and Guillen hammering him all day.
No excuse. The bullpen was rested yesterday.
I hope all you FIRE TORRE yahoos repent.
Torre wasn’t a superb manager but it can always get worse.
Honestly guys. I can’t take this anymore. It’s like they try to lose.
Girardi is proving to be just as flawed as Torre in making pitching decisions. Leaving a cooked Pettitte in against Guillen with the bases loaded?
Beyond dumb!
Welcome to mediocrity for the 2008 Yankees!
Well, in theory, we can come back and win this game. In theory.
First Manny now Guillen. Gotta learn how some situational managing.
That is on Girardi
I have a hard time believing that this team was worse at this point lastyear because right now this is the worst baseball I have ever seen!
veras couldnt have done that a batter ago of course…sigh
I just came in and turned the game on. Maybe I shouldn’t have. What is with Andy Pettitte? 10 runs to KC? 7 RBI by Guillen? This is really bad. Everytime I think the Yanks are going to go on a roll they don’t. Loosing to KC (especially at home) is really unacceptable.
we can bring back andy next year. im not saying he is totally shot but at 16 mil he is not worth it
It’s Rasner and Moose, then all hell breaks loose in the starting rotation these days.
He has “Baseball Prospectus” on the shelf in his office.
He must know what he’s doing…
i agree. if there were any faith in the bullpen, he wouldn’t have faced guillen b/c guillen has hit him hard every ab. i would be reluctant to go to the bullpen also with veras b/c you don’t know what kind of day it will be for him. pettite was left in and hoped for the best.
Guillen is not that good. He’s walked 7 times in 58 games. Seven. Maybe try to make him chase? Awful job by Pettitte and a worse job by Girardi leaving him in.
i mean CANT bring back andy
I think Andy needs to call Rogers buddy and get a shot! Something has to change!
Guillen
vs. LEFT: .311 / .885
VS. RIGHT: .233 / .648
why oh why why WHY?
Andy was one strike away from getting out of it w/ a wild swinger in Guillen, he chose the cutter it didn’t cut and was in the stands, he needs to find himself like Moose did because it’s not looking good.
And that this illustrates the point why the Yankees were shaping Joba to be a SP, like it’s been said before 2009 is not guaranteed for Andy, Wang or Moose.
Wang sucks Andy sucks Joba can only throw 3 innings… Our line up sleeps for about the first 5 innings of every game… We have no pen or bench but other than that the Yanks rule!
on paper this team looks like a complete team, but they’ve yet to show it with any consistency.
Not only did Andy give up 10 earn runs but he did it vs the Royals…WOW
This game is definitely on Girardi. We heard all of these things about how brilliant an in-game manager he was, but I haven’t seen any signs. Having faith in a veteran is one thing, leaving a tired starter who has had trouble with righties all year (and Guillen in particular this game) in with the bases loaded is another. That is just plain stupid. Bad teams find ways to lose.
That was not Andy’s fault, he had done his job, gave the team the lead through 6 with over 100 pitches in a sweltering 95 degree afternoon, and the idiot Girardi leaves him him in to lose the game. If it was Torre managing he would have yanked him after the first hit he gave up in that inning, good or bad. This team stinks and it is a reflection of the worst manager in the AL right now hands down, Joe (I don’t know my as$ if it bit me) Girardi.
this is the problem with this team. we cant do 2 things right at the same time. i mean we finally hit good and we cant pitch. last night we pitched good and couldnt hit
Pettitte is not to blame. He had no business being in that game.
He didn’t have it today. He’s just not pitching well. Girardi should have salvage his outing by removing Pettitte after 6 innings. He fought through the whole game with guile alone.
Shame on you Girardi. In the old days, George would fire managers for a blatant idiocy like that.
Alright-enough of this crap.
We need to chip away..like now
Torre isn’t so great either…just ask DodgerFan. It’s the players in this sport for the most part…This ain’t football or BBall where coaching makes a huge difference (IMHO)
Please don’t get down on Girardi for leaving Pettitte in there. Remember, if Yankee management does something, it is the de facto correct move.
take those 10 earned runs and choke on em Girardi.
“Guillen
vs. LEFT: .311 / .885
VS. RIGHT: .233 / .648″
Wow. Girardi obviously has that information right at his fingertips and…..just wow.
They probably shouldn’t have walked that rookie guy.
Now watch them go down like the losers they are against Tomko.
this team is so poorly constructed, but at the same time have enough talent to go on a run and make the playoffs. but realistically have no shot to win when we get there. they are good enough to fool everyone into thinking they can do something but this team is so far from a championship contender this year its not even funny.
“Guillen is not that good. He’s walked 7 times in 58 games. Seven. Maybe try to make him chase? Awful job by Pettitte and a worse job by Girardi leaving him in.”
how ? everybody complains about the bullpen coming into situations like that and about the pitch count also about pulling the SP so quick, right there Girardi gave it to Andy, fight out of your own mess and he cracked. It’s that simple.
how in the world do you go and give up 5 runs after taking the lead that is just bad
All year the Yankee pitchers have been given leads and instead of sitting the other team down they give it back
Just frustrating
Joe Girardi has shown himself so far this year to be a remarkably conservative and by the book manager, especially with the bull pen.
It’s interesting how much “loyalty” he shows to the two pitchers on the staff that he has personally caught in the past – Farnsworth and Pettite.
It’s those two guys who so far have gotten much more leeway in terms of use than any other pitchers.
It’s really inexplicable why he left pettite in there. It really is.
Girarid really, really values “experience” and being a “veteran.”
Those seem to be key parameters for how he uses players.
I’m still not seeing how he’s using performance rather than things like “loyalty” to warrant the use of players and their roles in the bull pen.
Tough call when your bullpen sucks. Who would you want him to bring in? Farnsworth?
Gotta go with the vet.
That is on Pettite.
Maybe next year we can save 16 mil and just let Kennedy do that.
Miss me yet ?
this is like the 2nd or 3rd game over the past two weeks that the Yanks blow a late lead because they don’t have Joba to pitch the 7 or 8th innings. i think Job may make a great starter in the future, but did he really have to transition to a starter when the Yanks are just treading water.
I’m so angry right now. Baseball games shouldn’t do this to you. ISn’t it supposed to be fun?
Their BUM… 3.1 IP and 5 ER….OUR Bum… 6.2 IP and 10 ER….GEE…which BUM would you want in your team’s “line” today ?….Girardi needs to be fired…really…See Ya dude…you make all the wrong moves !
I believe the Yanks are absolutely right to make Joba a starter…..but Damon is also right and this makes 5 the number of games we ahve (probably) lost because of the decision in the last 2 weeks!
The way Coney is talking on YES right now, it sounds like Andy is pretty much done. He said he doesn’t have much of a fastball or changeup, all he has is the cutter, and that isn’t getting over. I really think the Yankees need to seriously consider going to the kids.
aksing THIS team to get 4 runs in the last 3 innings is a bit much,,,with sir IDIOT-A-LOT at the reigns !
Relax everyone, pour yourself a nice cool glass of Bigelow Green Tea.
Don’t start with the Joba crap.
If this game didn’t prove to you how badly we need a good starter you’re an idiot.
“Clutch” is mostly an honorary title for jeter now right?
I don’t understand why they didn’t go outside to Guillen. If Posada is making the calls, he deserves some of the blame as well.
ok we need hits and walks, not “gritty” 11 pitch outs…
What kind of message does it send your team when you roll out Veras, Hawkins and Ohlie everytime your ready to give up on a game?
“i think Job may make a great starter in the future, but did he really have to transition to a starter when the Yanks are just treading water.”
It really is a *have to* type of move, as Joba needs to put in the innings this year in order to be able to pitch more than just 140 innings next year. If Joba relieved the rest of this season, then most likely he can only start for half to 2/3 of next season.
yay jeter… you rock.
Larry Bowa as manager in Da Bronx???
That little bada** would wake this team up…and he could coach 3rd, too!
This game makes me wanna smoke 10 packs of cigarettes all at once.
Bob if you get sooooooooooangry at a frikin baseball game you got problems. Go live your life, there is a great world out there.
Clearly this team is one setup man away from first place.
did you see where that ball went ?
ARod trying to get the Yanks back in the game. Down now by 2.
well there’s 2 back
This is where the Joba move kills them right now. I think its the right move ultimately, and probably the better move for the long run. In order for him to be a starter in the future, they need him to start building up his innings this year. But lets be honest-if Joba is in that bullpen right now, there is absolutely no way Andy is left in that game to face Guillen. NO chance. The fact that Andy is left in just means that there bullpen is completely terrible and there is nobody to go to in that spot. It would be easier if we could just clone Joba…
Man!! You couldn’t do that with the bases loaded Arod??!? You stink!!!
Nice job Arod. It sucks that the captain, Mr Yankee hit machine, Mr GIDP, couldn’t get on base in front of you.
Warm up Farnsworth to give those 2 runs right back Girardi.
Moron.
“i think Job may make a great starter in the future, but did he really have to transition to a starter when the Yanks are just treading water.”
Yes. He needs to get innings in. If he doesnt transition this year. Then he would be in the same scenario next year.
Alex is ticked off.
Who here thinks that Girardi didn’t go to the bullpen because he knows he’s going to need them tomorrow with Joba pitching no matter how well Joba pitches?
Wow what a monster shot. A Rod really is a beast.
It ain’t over yet folks. Gotta get these runs before the 9th though. Soria looked pretty dominant yesterday.
Nice ALex!
Chip away boys
Chip away
OK…just fire both managers and all the pitchers because they are all bad
A-Rod with a clutch Home Run…maybe THAT will be the spark…Come On Yankees..Show us your HEART !
Mickey Mantle is having a bad year. First Jetes passes him and soon ARod will on dingers.
…I think that if the Yankees lose this game, no matter what happens from this point out, you have to point to the starting pitching (Andy Pettitte) as the reason.
You don’t win very many games when your starter gives up ten runs. You just don’t. Perhaps Girardi should not have left Andy in for that inning; he was certainly rolling along in the middle innings, and I can understand the temptation to have him start the 7th. I *do* think he probably should have gone batter to batter, and he did come one out from getting out of the inning without giving up major damage, but…
…I agree, CB, that Girardi tends to be rather conservative when it comes to managing the bullpen (especially disappointing, since I expected far more aggressive behavior). Perhaps we’ll see Girardi becoming more aggressive, perhaps not–I really hope that he eventually does, because bullpen management is one of the prime areas (and most frequent) a manager can directly affect the game.
I have never witnessed a ball go there..that’s old school , that’s Dimaggio territory.
Now let the retractions roll in.
I’ll stick to my guns, you can’t win with 2 reliable guys in the pen (I’m counting Ramirez?!?!)
You can’t win trying to hit HRs and doubles
Yankees win by letting the game come to them, guys swinging at first pitches and trying to score 5 runs every inning aren’t with the program.
They had to transition Joba this year. It would be easier if they were 10 games up, but what can you do. It would be easier to watch if they actually had quality guys out there in the bullpen instead of Farnsworthless, Hawkins, etc. Maybe some of the young kids will be able to fill the void in the second half
Too little too late, typical a-Rod.
gotta keep it going here, let’s go Big G!
Does Veras pitch the 8th?
If not Veras, who?
“Man!! You couldn’t do that with the bases loaded Arod??!? You stink!!! ”
Its not arods fault. Its Meachums!!
If I’m a veteran on this team, ie, Damon, etc. I am very, very pissed at the way this front office and managers are running this team this year and I don’t blame Damon for being pissed. This is not what they signed on for. The Yankees have 3 of the best relief prospects in baseball right now chomping at the bit to come up and be a part of this team in Cox, Melancon and Robertson. For some stupid reason they have switched Joba from the bullpen to being a starter and doing it at the major league level which is insane because it means that you take your best BP guy, who is lights out and put him in the rotation to try and get through 2-5 innings and then max out your bullpen eveytime he pitches so that you can’t use them when your veteran LH gets you through 6 tough innings on a 95 degree day and he ends up giving up 10 runs and throws 115 pitches, meanwhile he team can’t beat the frickin’ KC Royals the worst team in the AL. Its insane. And if the front office thinks its magically going to be better in 09 and 2010 they’re delusional. If you don’t care about 2008 just tell us fans and we won’t either.
“Tough call when your bullpen sucks. Who would you want him to bring in?”
No. This is a completely inadequate excuse.
Veras and Ramirez have two bad games each and Girardi completely loses all confidence in them. Competely.
He’s handled them exactly like Torre would have last year.
Your a first or second year pitcher and make a mistake – that’s it your done. Your in the dog house and its going to take weeks for you to get back the manager’s “trust.”
If you are Kyle Farnsworth or Andy Pettite – veteran guys who Girardi has caught – then you can fail over and over and you still have the manager’s “trust” and “loyalty.”
It was obvious to everyone that Andy had nothing and had to be taken out. All of the statical probailities there in that at bat to Guillen pointed out bringing in any reasonable fresh arm was the right move to make.
No manager in baseball has the security blanket of having a Joba Chamberlain as their 8th inning guy. All teams have serious problems in the pen.
Girarid has done what Torre did in the past – place “loyalty” and “trust” for veterans in front of the performance that occurs on the field.
“Not true. Livan Hernandez has an ERA of 4.81.”
that makes him better than pettitte at the moment.
the twins have won 10-13 games livan hernadez has pitched. the twins offense is no better than the yankees. according to your figures the twins couldn’t be + 7 games when hernandez has pitched.
you can try to spin it, but the fact is that cashman’s plan didn’t work. 22 year old kids aren’t likely to win many games. you said yourself it’s a probability business. livan hernandez was a much better than bet than kennedy or hughes to have his team be plus in wins when he pitches.
and it has worked out exactly that way.
those are the facts. hernandez’s numbers are in the books as are kennedy’s and hughe’s.
If Joba is still in the bullpen, he might have pitched two innings last night and not have been available today. Or Girardi might still have let Andy start that inning up a run. Or both. Who the heck knows? Nothing that’s happening in this game proves anything about Joba either way, but when your starter gives up 10 earned runs, it kind of makes you think you might need better starters.
This team needs starting pitching…bad!!
I’m for trading Damon, Giambi, Abreu, or any of our veterans for a decent to good starting pitcher. But I do not favor trading any of our young players. The constant philopsophy of throwing huges sums of money at veterans (some have worked out, but most don’t) must be a thing of the past, or we will be seeing these things for a long, long time.
If you would have told me the Yankees would score 8 runs today and lose I would have drop kicked you.
joakim soria is lurking, better hurry up and score more runs
We need some luck
Come on Jorge
Sure the team could use starting pitching, but no one is coming out of the rotation. Rasner and Moose have been our best pitchers. The veteran Andy getting paid 16 million isn’t coming out, and Wang isn’t coming out. Of course Joba isn’t going to come out either because he just made the transition. So yea it does look like we need a starter, but who is comingm out of this rotation.
CB, I don’t make a habit of critcizing managers or blaming them for a team’s performance.
To my mind, a front office’s personnel decisions and the performance of that personnel accounts for over 90% of how a team fares.
But once in a while, a manager renders a decision that so baffles conventional wisdom and costs his team that it suggests more than mismanagement but gross incompetence.
Two moves of Girardi’s off the top of my head this year qualify.
1) Manny
2) Guillen
Am I missing any?
I can’t blame Girardi for two of those losses on the road because no better choices than Hawkins and Farnsworth presented themselves.
But today’s loss, if they do indeed lose– and to avoid doing so, they’re going to have to hit Mahay or Soria or both– Girardi owns.
I can’t recall few Torre decisions that have been as egregiously incompetent as Girardi’s today.
Not only Soria, Ramirez is tough too. But neither of them is infallible.
“joakim soria is lurking, better hurry up and score more runs”
hate to say it but he’s right
“If you would have told me the Yankees would score 8 runs today and lose I would have drop kicked you.”
I would have kicked you in the grape fruits
I think the point is that the Yankees need better pitchers, period. They need good starters and some better relief pitchers as well. I mean, I love Andy Pettitte, but he has been flat-out bad this year. Its hard to get on any kind of streak when your pitching is not any good. Think about where they would be without Rasner and Mussina….
Let’s watch the ‘pen keep us at only chasing TWO and go get ‘em…YANKEES !
Let’s go Veras
But today’s loss, if they do indeed lose– and to avoid doing so, they’re going to have to hit Mahay or Soria or both– Girardi owns.
Well, Andy owns it really.
But you’re right Girardi was grossly incompetent by leaving him in there to do it. Unexcusable in my mind.
I like Veras. He’s had ONE awful outing this year and has been effective on almost every other occasion. No excuse for not brining him or Ohlendorf in to pitch the 7th.
Nick – I agree with you about needing better starters. The only 2 keeping the Yanks in games right now are Mussina and Rasner. The late innings for the bullpen don’t really matter if the Yanks can’t get the game to the late innings with a lead.
no girardi has made some moves that were just awful. worse than most things torre did but torre was an experienced manager when he got here. where girardi is torre is that he has guys he never uses (britton) and guys he overuses even though they stink (farns). they both were in love with the bunt and in love with the infield in. he has a lot of the same tendencys.
“For the most part, the offense was very bad in their starts.”
blargh-
this is something you’re not going to get from baseball prospectus, but it’s true.
some pitchers are pros and battlers and the players behind them do play like the pitcher pitches.
when a team is watching fear drip off hughes or kennedy as they nibble their way back to triple a, they do not play the way they would behind a veteran like hernandez.
Ahh so you want Veras and Ramirez in with the bases loaded vs Pettite.
I doubt you have the guts to do that if you were the manager.
And I’d be willing to bet that if that change was made you would be the first one jumping on Girardi’s butt.
Dude is not an excuse its a fact. This team is not very good. When your team sucks all your moves look bad. When your team is good you look like a genius. Ask Torre.
“I can’t recall few Torre decisions that have been as egregiously incompetent as Girardi’s today.”
One word. Sturtz.
Girardi was great when he was in he yes booth making decisions.
“One word. Sturtz.”
Mike Myers
The Yankees just haven’t shown any signs of being more than a mediocre team. We all think they are going to make a run, me included, but what have they done this year that gives off that feeling. The only reason you can come up with is because they’ve done it in the past. Unfortunately, one of these years they are not going to be able to do it. I hope this isn’t the year.
I’m surprised the Royals aren’t running on Posada’s arm.
“If Joba is still in the bullpen, he might have pitched two innings last night and not have been available today. Or Girardi might still have let Andy start that inning up a run. Or both. Who the heck knows? Nothing that’s happening in this game proves anything about Joba either way, but when your starter gives up 10 earned runs, it kind of makes you think you might need better starters.”
Really? He might have pitched 2 innings last night? Why?
If Joba was in the pen, we would have won this game… and a few other games… and be more than a .500 team.
since cashman is theoretically so valuable, why don’t the yankees trade him to the pirates for some middle relief. it’s be a win/ win for everyone.
“Sure the team could use starting pitching, but no one is coming out of the rotation. Rasner and Moose have been our best pitchers. The veteran Andy getting paid 16 million isn’t coming out, and Wang isn’t coming out. Of course Joba isn’t going to come out either because he just made the transition. So yea it does look like we need a starter, but who is comingm out of this rotation.”
Mark, you are right, I am just saying that if they do make a trade, do not use any of our youth for trade bait. And if they are considering making a trade, look for starting pitching, because that’s what we need.
But, they most likely will not do anything and that is probably the right move. We will be able to do more this coming offseason.
KS,
You mean you weren’t upset when Vizcaino walked the bases loaded in Game 2 of the ALDS last year and Torre kept him in there to give up the winning hit?
Or, having Jeff Weaver pitch in the biggest moment of Game 5 of the 2003 World Series with Mariano Rivera sitting in the bullpen? That only decided the World Series.
Or, not stealing on Wakefield AND Schilling in games while the team was blowing a 3-0 lead in the 2004 ALCS?
Those weren’t worse moves than today?
Personally, I think Girardi should have gone to Veras to pitch to Guillen.
Bottom line, it doesn’t matter.
If this is all Andy Pettitte has left in the tank, you can twist yourself into a pretzel with stats and reasons, this team isn’t going anywhere.
He’s been AWFUL this year and he’s getting worse.
There is no replacement when your #2 starter looks finished in June.
Right now, this team isn’t good enough to win games. Offense, defense, pitching, baserunning (which is amazingly bad), the team has no strengths right now.
You could put the greatest baseball strategist in history in the dugout, its not going to work until you get better players or the players you have get better. MUCH better than they are playing right now.
Sorry Paula, but leaving Pettite in there was so incredibly stupid. Even if somehow he got out of it, it was not the right decision to make. Pettitte was lousy all day. Was well over 100 pitches and had been beaten like a pinata all day by Gullin.
Bad, unexcusable, and deserving all the crap he’ll get over it.
Pettitte shouldn’t have been pitching in the 7th inning period. Certainly, not after he surrendered that double.
And absolutely, not after Guillen tattooed him all day and came up with the bases loaded.
I’m sure Girardi won’t be sleeping tonight.
Eugie, the point is that anyone who takes this game as some kind of proof that Joba has to be in the pen is playing the part of the fool. Nobody knows what the situation would be. To declare anything with faux certainty is… well, thanks for playing.
“those are the facts. hernandez’s numbers are in the books as are kennedy’s and hughe’s.”
Hughes and Kennedy are not in the rotation right now and may not be this entire season.
Are you seriously trying to suggest the marginal games they may have cost them are the reason why they are playing so poorly now.
At this moment?
2-3 additional wins are not this teams problem. Whether they are in 5th or 2nd or 3rd on June 7 isn’t the issue.
No one gets a ring for the number of games you’ve won on June 7th. There’s no division champion for june.
The problem is how the team is playing even more than its numerical record. The record is concerning because it reflects their on going struggle to play well.
Their on going struggles to play well have little to do with Hughes and Kennedy. In fact having hughes and kennedy in the rotation was the main reason why Rasner was even given a shot.
Rasner has been their best pitcher over the past month. So if you’d signed a Livan Hernandez good chance Rasner never would have gotten the opportunity.
The problem isn’ that they are a game or 2 under .500 on June 7 because no team has run away with the division or the wild card. That’s the only time the record is a problem on June 7 – if other teams are burying you in the playoff hunt.
Fortunately that hasn’t happened. So the main problem now if to fix what’s wrong with the current team – a team that has one rookie starter on it – Joba.
This team has no chance if the Wang and Pettite don’t pitch well and the offense doesn’t start to score consistently.
What if Jetes would’ve started a rally in the 1st instead of bunting? Would we be tied or up one?
See…using this logic to justify bunting in the 1st when we were up one in this game is just as flawed.
Moves need to be predicated on game situations and the players involved.
You DO NOT sacrifice in the 1st inning down 2 runs after the leadoff batter doubled.
You DO NOT leave your 40 year old SP in after throwing 100+ pitches on a 90* day and after already giving up 5 ER in 6 IP.
Damn right Girardi is at FAULT for this loss…100% FAULT…Larry Bowa for Yankees Mgr in Summer ’08!!!
Where is George when you need him???
I think the mistake Girardi made in that inning is with strategy. I wouldn’t have walked the number 2 hitter to load the bases with one out. I know the kid has had a good series, and the Yanks are looking for a dp, but any situation where you might leave yourself facing Guillen in a big spot is a mistake. He has had good swings all day off Pettitte, and Andy didn’t look like he had anything to get him out with. To me, they should have taken their shot with the kid and then Teahen.
“Or, not stealing on Wakefield AND Schilling in games while the team was blowing a 3-0 lead in the 2004 ALCS?”
Speaking of bunting.
“But once in a while, a manager renders a decision that so baffles conventional wisdom and costs his team that it suggests more than mismanagement but gross incompetence.
Two moves of Girardi’s off the top of my head this year qualify.
1) Manny
2) Guillen”
Yes, those are both completely incompetent moves. Last time, I think Girardi said something about Moose wanted to stay in & thought he could get Manny so he was trusting his starter, blah blah blah. I’m sure he will say the same thing today about Andy. But, what starter is gonna say they want to come out? And that’s to their credit, you want guys who want to compete and whatnot but Girardi’s job is to make the smart decision for the situation, not show blind faith in veteran starters…in that respect he is just like Torre.
In retrospect I think I and many others may have been fooled thinking he wasn’t the type of guy to give veterans too much leeway based on what he did w/rookies in Fla…it was b/c there were no veterans in Fla.!
ORioles won already, Boston winning already.
Further and further we fall into the AL East cellar.
randy: That’s gonna be something hard for me to digest. Shouldn’t a player being paid big bucks play just as hard regardless of who’s pitching, under normal non-injury related circumstances? Especially veterans?
Good thing you are not a manager Bobbi (see I can be a third grader too).
look bro, Girardi was the manager of the year two years ago, but he had young athletic players that gave a crap , not old hacks soaking in their big salaries. He didn’t forget how to manage overnight.
Gotta love seeing a reliever throw strike 3 in a 3-2 count. So many don’t. Veras is maddeningly inconsistent, though.
Teahen should have been Andy’s last batter. I know Girardi wanted to give Andy a shot to win the game, and bringing in Veras with the bases loaded is not exactly an ideal situation, but its the move to make. Andy has been getting killed by righties all year
I don’t really blame Girardi for staying with Pettit right there, he had been fighting pretty good, struck out the previous batter, and deserves the chance to get out of it. I don’t fault him for that, but what I do fault him for, as CB pointed out, is the conservatism in his moves. When he was with Florida, he took chances, he was aggressive on the bases, and he made the other team make plays. Where is that this year?
How many games when he was in Florida did you watch Paula?
One year of amanaging a team no on expected anything from to a mediocre season does not make a great manager to me.
I wanted him here, but I have been completely unimpressed all season with the way he’s managing.
Today was just beyond awful managing all the way around.
Bet that LD % may it come in handy here and layoff the offspeed.
I agree that its hard to take Pettitte out, especially with our bullpen, but what has Andy done this year against righties to warrant staying in this game against Guillen
Pep,
Gotta have athletes to play aggressive. Not a bunch of old dudes with leg issues.
We needs to tie this baby up!!!
I don’t like Betemit, but I’d warm up to him if he’d Jack one out right about now.
The Last Yankee Fan- are you really the last Yankee fan? More like a bandwagon fan. From reading your statements you seem like the type of fan that only roots for them when they are winning and boo’s the team when they are bad. You have to take the good with the bad.
you said…
“There goes the game,series,season”
“Too little too late, typical a-Rod.”
Yankee fans giving up on June 7th? Come on! You know better than that. Yanks were 14.5 GB last year, and they made the postseason. They are 6.5 GB in the AL EAST. They have 13 games left with the Sox and 8 games left with the Rays. This season is far from over.
Red Sox have Dice-K and Papi on the DL.
Rays have Pena and Percival on the DL
Kevin
Girardi has the same problem Torre had in his last years as Yankee manager. They see players as they were instead of how they are today.
That’s why Pettitte and Farnsworth get more run than other guys. Is it right? No.
Just as Torre had his “guys” that always pitched too much or spent too much time in the lineup while they were struggling.
Every manager does it.
Unfortunately for Girardi, the entire team is underperforming. Its not just rookies, vets, bench, bullpen, etc, its EVERYBODY.
Well, everybody except Mo.
The team is too inconsistent and too poor in some critical areas to be more than what they are right now.
Names don’t win games. Nor does payroll. Playing good, clean, crisp baseball everyday win games and wins series.
Unfortunately, this team as presently constructed can’t seem to do it.
Hopefully, they will at some point.
RALLY CAPS, baby!!!
Y’all touting leaving Pettitte in to face Guillen do realize this is 2008 not 1998, right?
“Eugie, the point is that anyone who takes this game as some kind of proof that Joba has to be in the pen is playing the part of the fool. Nobody knows what the situation would be. To declare anything with faux certainty is… well, thanks for playing.”
The one who’s playing the part of the fool is the one that is in denial. It’s not just this game, it’s been quite a few games.
Betemit is definitely a straight fastball hitter. He just looked silly.
“I don’t really blame Girardi for staying with Pettit right there, he had been fighting pretty good, struck out the previous batter, and deserves the chance to get out of it”
It was a horrible decision. Pettitte had already given up 6 runs, 9 hits, was over 100 pitches, had been bad the whole season, had a BAA of over .370 against RHBs and had given a HR to Guillen already.
Alot Bobbi. Try to use your head for something other than holding your toupee on.
The bottom line is that the players need to play like they paid.
Again try to relax a little, its only a game. Maybe try to get a date or something.
Well, the strike out King has returned.
“I like Veras. He’s had ONE awful outing this year and has been effective on almost every other occasion. No excuse for not brining him or Ohlendorf in to pitch the 7th.”
This is what I find really troubling with Girardi. He seems to really put a lot of stock in a player being a veteran or having experience rather than the performance that is occurring on the field.
For the past month – how many leads has pettite coughed up? Game after game after game?
Maybe andy has to be treated like moose now – he gives the team 5 or 6 innings and that’s it.
But instead of changing strategy to match the players performance Girardi just keeps giving Andy the chance to blow the game.
Why push it with him in the 7nth – why keep pushing it when the first guy gets on base?
And at the same time Veras and Ramirez have two bad outings each and they are just not to be “trusted.”
What is “trust” based on? In this respect Girardi has been far more similar to Torre than I would have guessed.
I’m honestly amazed that any manager would continue to put Farnsworth in situations where a game can be lost. Yet Girardi does.
Now pettite just keeps giving up leads – and girardi still “trusts” him for unclear reasons.
I didn’t like it when Torre did this. I don’t like it when Girardi is.
Can he go 5-5?
he gets fooled by offspeed too much…. Melky doesn’t… and I’m pretty sure Johnny shouldn’t
Can it happen?
“It was a horrible decision. Pettitte had already given up 6 runs, 9 hits, was over 100 pitches, had been bad the whole season, had a BAA of over .370 against RHBs and had given a HR to Guillen already.”
YES
You know what, SJ44, none of those strike me as egregious as Girardi’s today, apart obviously from the game’s significance.
Each one of those Torre errors, to my mind, was debatable. (except for not running on Schilling which I’ve always attributed to misplaced gallantry, rather than mismanagement.)
Still, when my 8-year-old nephew, sitting next to me as I write this, was screaming to remove Pettitte when he walked onto the mound in the 7th inning, and his voice grew louder and more shrill with each hit, something is wrong. It smacks of unspeakable arrogance or worse.
What did Girardi see that an 8-year-old missed?
He let Rasner throw 120 pitches yesterday, I would have thought, precisely to rest his bullpen overtaxed by the Toronto win, in case he needed them today. Why else risk Rasner like that?
So what reason did he have not to go to the bullpen? Pettitte’s pitch count was nearing 100 and he’d struggled all day.
Girardi has inexplicable undeserved confidence in Farnsworth and undeserved and undifferntiated mistrust for every other reliever? It makes no sense and it’s far worse than this move alone.
Girardi has exhibited himself every bit as misguided and inept in his bullpen management as Torre, SJ.
need single
Mulligan,
In 1998 they would have had the arms in the pen to go to. lol
Come on, guys! Show me what you’re made of.
THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT !
Go, go, go, Johnny, go, go, go
Go, Johnny, go, go, go
Go, Johnny, go, go, go
Go, Johnny, go, go, go
Aah – Johnny B. Goode
o yeah!!!
Hopefully we get to see if your boy Jeter is truely Mr Clutch
Boy, what an effort by Johnny Damon today. He doesn’t want to let them lose this game. I’m so glad he swung away there because the way Jeter has looked today you wouldn’t want to have left it up to him.
Yes he can!!!
WOOOOOOT!!!
What a game! I sold my tickets for today, I hope the family I sold them to have stuck around.
now let’s get the lead and bring in Mo.
DAMON!!!!
YEAH BABY, warm up mo for the 9th
For the record, I never wanted Damon DFA’d.
Damon is really on fire.
Get Mo up NOW.
Johnny Damon is my homeboy
Thank god for Johnny Damon. The Yankees could use a few more player’s with Johnny’s intelligence.
Guys like A-Rod are too smart for their own good most of the time.
Jetes needs to hit a single here if he does just pray Alex lays off the offspeed pitches, it’s his kryptonite.
Never count the 2008 Yankees out! lol
This is the anti Baltimore game where the Yankees blew two four run leads, now they have comeback down 4 twice!
“Pep,
Gotta have athletes to play aggressive. Not a bunch of old dudes with leg issues.”
O.K., then management needs to trade some of our old dudes for some young pitching talent, and bring up our young legs from the farm, or we all need to let the guy manage the team he has been given the best he can. This is not the Joe I saw with Florida, he is a completely different manager.
If this is what he has for this year, then let’s see what he can do with it. He cannot do more than the talent he has been given.
AND AS I’AM WRITING THIS THE YANKS JUST TIED UP THE GAME
WE MAY WIN THIS YET!!!!!!!!
Fire Trey Hillman for not walking Damon to get to Captain DP. That was a really bad decision.
So does Jeter GIPD right here?
It would be great if the Yankees can score some more runs this inning but I have to say a walk-off win today would just be amazing.
this game is unbelievable
Jeter really needs to come through here to take the lead, then go to Mo
Wow what a game. Cant lose this now!
Nicely done, Johnny.
Eugie, you can cherry-pick any situation to make a fanstasy argument about any pet player making the difference at any given moment. Who knows what would have happened? Nobody.
Pep,
I’m with ya on that. Lets get some fresh faces in there.
I won’t mention any names, but some people were saying that both Giambi and Damon were done when they were struggling early.
OPS
Damon .896
Giambi .955
Please no one wake JDamon up and remind him he’s “over-da-proverbial-hill”…that’s CLUTCH
KS,
Games that cost you championships are bigger than June games.
I agree with you. I was driving back from lunch listening to the game and as soon as Guillen came up, I said, “He’s got to go to the ‘pen”. Frankly, I couldn’t believe he let him pitch to Guillen. Especially since Guillen owned Pettitte today. That’s a BAD decision.
That said, I look at this team and I don’t see the “it” factor. I don’t see a good team here. They are so ragged and inconsistent. Its maddening.
Even if they win this game, they are playing life and death baseball against a VERY bad KC team. Bad sign to me.
Don’t get me wrong, at this point, I’ll take ANY win.
RALLY CAPS, baby!!!
Bobby make ‘em pay
Yeah Jeter comes through
Nicely done captain. The NYPD would be proud.
And by the way, I think Girardi will be a good manager one day. Just not this year.
What I object to is the Yankees’ hierarchy selling him as some kind of misunderstood, vital, and underappreciated genius like Billy Martin or Bobby Valentine, run out of Flordia because he spoke his mind and superior in every way to his tired, old, inert predecessor.
It’s a lie and an effort to scapegoat Torre for the front-office’s myopia, folly, and arrogance.
SJ44, you mentioned the two 4 run leads blown as the worst game of the year. If the Yankees win this, would you say it is the best game of the year?
Alex is going to face Yabuta same thing as Bet lay off the crappy offspeed unless they are high.
How is Damon not tagging there?
SJ,
Keep doubting this offense. Theyll keep coming back. This offense is back!
SJ44 can answer himself, but for me, if the Yanks win this game, it’s the LUCKIEST game of the year. Not the best.
How deep was that?
Wow.. I go to the mall and come home to this.. Wild game huh?
damn
has arod ever hit back to back homeruns before in consecutive at bats?
C’mon A-Rod – let’s get this game to Mo!
“If the Yankees win this, would you say it is the best game of the year?”
Id have to say 2 games ago.
sad to think that had pettite pitched decently or had rasner pitched – it’d be 10-2 right now?
Just something I want to add to your analysis on Livan Hernandez, CB (which I think is spot on, and this is actually something you mentioned earlier today): the Twins have a better defense than the Yankees. So while Livan Hernandez has an ERA of ~4.9, and a RA over 5, you can take money to the bank those numbers would be higher if he was pitching behind the Yankees defense.
On the other hand, while Hughes and Kennedy were poor to start the season, they both had upside: with Livan, chances are his peripherals don’t go anywhere but south as the season goes on. Not so with the kids, who (would) have had decent chances of getting better as they went along. Of course, now we won’t know, because both Hughes and Kennedy are out.
But if we see Hughes again this season, and I think we will, even if it’s just for September (assuming the Yankees bring him back slowly in AAA), I would be willing to lay down some money he has a K:BB ratio greater than 1, which is what he was offering earlier this season. And I’d be willing to lay down some money that his K/9 rises, too.
I don’t see either happening with Livan, who has an eERA (based on his peripherals) of 5.30. And that’s probably where it’s going to stay all season long.
The Twins needed to sign Livan as an innings eater; the Yankees (correctly) assumed they would have higher-quality innings eaters in the forms of Wang and Pettite. Wang had a terrible month of May, and Pettite has been rather atrocious himself, but both were fare better bets than Livan coming into this season.
Alot Bobbi. Try to use your head for something other than holding your toupee on.
The bottom line is that the players need to play like they paid.
Again try to relax a little, its only a game. Maybe try to get a date or something
Paula, when people like you resort to little childish personal jabs at people instead of trying to have intelligent discusions, it really makes me wonder what kind of pathetic life you must have.
SEA tied it up with BOS. Maybe all of that cursing their mgr did has fired up the team.
Seattle tied up Bos 2-2…
Getting back to the Pettite debate, if I were manager in the same situation and Andy told me he felt good about pitching to Guillen, and Jorge agreed, I leave him in. I go with my veterans, unless they have shown that they can’t be trusted to tell me the truth. Those two guys are responsible for 4 World Series victories, and numerous playoff appearances, I don’t blame him for staying with him.
this would be a better win than giambi’s walk off if we can pull this off
Sunny –
The department of redundancy department?
Come on Sunny. The guy has 530+ HR’s. Of course he has.
Jeff,
No. Even if they win this game, the best win of the year was against Toronto the other day.
That was against a better team and BJ Ryan.
This is a very bad KC team. A team that had lost 11 road games in a row coming into this series.
Love to see a win but, this is a series that shouldn’t be this close. Toronto? Different story.
i vote giambi to cleanup spot
“Alex is going to face Yabuta same thing as Bet lay off the crappy offspeed unless they are high.”
WHAT DID I JUST SAY , MY GOD THIS BE CORRECTED !
Arod did nohing with “Shake” Yabuta.
Damn, A-Rod. You couldn’t look at a few pitches there?
Please tell me Mo is coming in.
First ball hitting in that situation? Not good.
Honestly, there is no logical decision for leaving Pettitte in the game. Guillen had hit a homer and double off him already.
Righties are hitting over .350 against him this year. He had already given up 6 runs.
There is no logic, other than him being a “veteran” to leave him in the game at that point.
Even if he got out of the jam, it was the wrong move based on the information you have prior to making the call.
Was a bad call on JG’s part and it brought about the results we saw.
I wish Bobby took that 3-1 pitch sounds stupid because it was a strike and he gave it a ride but I just dont think he throws a 3-2 strike
“Please tell me Mo is coming in.”
YES HE IS. Dammit Alex never lays offs that fricking offspeed pitch.
That’s it! What is this swing at the first pitch you see crap?! Little Leaguers know better! What an idiotic approach! Long should be all over ARod for that Bush League BS!
ok fair enough, it’s not the best game of the year. However, the Toronto game was marred by the Melky error opening the flood gates. At least this one was played cleanly, just bad managing by joe and pitching by Andy.
“has arod ever hit back to back homeruns before in consecutive at bats?”
I believe so. Remember that 3 HR/10 RBI game he had against LAA and Bartolo Colon? I think he hit the HRs back to back.
“So if you’d signed a Livan Hernandez good chance Rasner never would have gotten the opportunity.”
there were two spots open. rassner should have got his chance after the annoited one flopped for the third time in a row.
having a veteran pitcher for one of those spots would have just created competition for the open spot. rassner still would have won it.
and i think veterans should have to compete too. nothing did more for mike mussina’s career than sitting his butt on the bench last august.
hernandez could be shoved aside by a rookie in minnesota later on if he doesn’t perform. it’s not likely based on a dozen years of pitching, but why not let that be a possibility. competition is a good thing.
that hurt
oh well… at least the offense showed up today… too bad the pitcher sucked.
ok the point is moot, damn.
oh f… me
If you’re going to lose, you want it to be with Mo on the mound.
are you joking me?!?! This team just kills you
BTW, weren’t we supposed to receive an update on Hughes’ rib injury by now.
Last week, when the MRI revealed a spot on the rib, the Yankees said he had another scan scheduled this week, but no one has discussed it since.
If Hughes isn’t cleared to begin throwing again shortly, they may not have him available until August.
That hurt.
yeah, that did hurt. damn.
“It’s a lie and an effort to scapegoat Torre for the front-office’s myopia, folly, and arrogance.”
KS,
There was certainly some front office acitivity like that going on, especially around the time of the firing.
But I think this goes way past that.
For whatever reason, by the time Torre left there was an unbelievable amount of frank hatred for Torre amongst a lot of fans (just see yankee blogs – nomass,etc.). It really was just hatred – they just thought he was stupid.
The media also just had grown tired of Torre and though he was a dinosaur.
I think Girardi came into the job as something of clearn slate and fans and the media almost instantly molded him an identity over the winter. He was going to be the anti-Torre.
Without any empirical experience that’s the identity he was fitted with. He was going to become some ideal manager who was everything Torre was not. Yankee blogs were the worst with this.
But as it often does experience is very different than the way the world is imagined.
WTF!!!
I swear that Livan Hernandez has gotten more run on this discussion board than any other soft-tosser in the history of mankind.
I may have to quit watching baseball after this game. This hurts way too much
I think they’re going to win this game – but Pettitte is concerning me a bit, though.
i cannot believe we’re going to lose this game
Well, when Mariano gives up a HR, you know its not your day. Poor guy gives up 2 runs all season and he loses two games. The game isn’t always fair.
I guess its to much to ask for the Yankees to beat the Royals huh
What more do we need to see that proves this just ain’t gona be a good year?
now who are you going to blame? Guys just relax some days you have some days you don’t. What idiot is going to blame Joe G for bring his closer in on tie game? Just relax
I will vote that this could be the worse loss of the season.
Meachum must of told Girardi to put MO in. I will blame it on Meachum.
we all knew it would happen sometime (and that it would stink when it did) but of all days for Mo to give up a HR
hey, it isn’t over yet. Part of me thinks a game this wild will end in a walkoff win.
Oh for goodness sake, I should have just shut up. So should have Michael Kay.
What the heck – is it so hot there that everything is just jumping off the bat?
he just threw it down the middle on that one. Wow.
IDK what to say…
Games not over yet naysayers, let’s just see what happens.
Absolute silence in the stadium
over….over
Mo turned into Farnsworthless for a second.
This game has been a sluggfest. There’s no way the Yankees are going to allow themselves to be outslugged.
“hey, it isn’t over yet. Part of me thinks a game this wild will end in a walkoff win.”
Amen to that – then we can watch Big Brown win the Belmont.
Its time for more Giambi magic.
And I’d love to see Godzilla pinch hit.
I swear that Livan Hernandez has gotten more run on this discussion board than any other soft-tosser in the history of mankind.
Thats because randy constantly brings him up.
Soria is a lights out guy.
oh wait, the HR was the Geico play of the game, guess it’s over or they piss off a sponsor.
OK, I’ll gladly give up my fantasy team lead for a 2-run shot off of Soria today.
“there were two spots open. rassner should have got his chance after the annoited one flopped for the third time in a row.”
Again, randy those two spots have been filled and its June 7.
The rotation is not the issue. Are you going to tell me that its criminal for a team to not have its rotation set by June 7?
What team does not have rotation issues.
They have scored 65-90 runs fewer than expected. That is 6-9 win differential.
Say they had two livan hernandez’s instead of the rookies. Right now that would do the team little good as the problems with Pettite and Wang would remain.
No, that was 100% the right move by Girardi.
But if he managed alot better today, it never would have been at that point to happen.
can we return the favor to their closer?
fearless prediction – Melky walk off homerun!
Well, they can still win. Worst possible time for Mo to give up a HR – ack.
GEORGY !!!
Oh damn, fantasy team curse struck even Mo
And yes it’s warm; weather says 92 degrees/feels like 96 in NYC
Anyone else happy Jorge is back?
OMG Posada just saved us!
Mo is human. And a great comeback goes for naught!
YES POSADA
GREAT GAME
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Oh My God, what the hell is going on with this game??!!! This is simply unreal!!
And Posada returns the favour of the Rutgers alumnus
this is retarded
He didn’t!!
AHHHHHHHHH!!!!! WHAT DID I TELL YOU!!!
HIP HIP JORGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mariano happy with that one
My God!!! Sweeet Posada!!
No curtain calls until we win!!
This is just unbelievable. Soria has just been lights out this year.
This game is so important – Zack Grienke is going tomorrow and he’s been terrific this year.
One more and let’s go home.
I respect Posada there he knows the game is not over
Good Lord, I’m gonna need medication after this game.
Looks like Home Run Derby is a month early this year….
com’on Bet take us home !
THE FIGHT OF THE DOG IS BACK!! Relentless team this week!!
PH Matsui
Geico’s gonna be pissed.
They say Soria is a little MO… so he had to follow in his footsteps…
This is a game for the ages.
why not bat matsui for betemit here?
Fight in the dog.
It would only be fitting if we somehow got to Damon for the GW Hit…
you can tell Michael Kay is upset he’s going to miss the Belmont.
“This game is so important – Zack Grienke is going tomorrow and he’s been terrific this year.”
Actually, he got creamed his last start.
“why not bat matsui for betemit here?”
you lose a 1B
“PH Matsui” – nevermind, sorry WB
“Good Lord, I’m gonna need medication after this game.”
Lol –
I’m already sipping mine!
Just got home. Silly question. Was Andy as bad as his line shows?
“This is a game for the ages.”
And it has lasted for ages! 4 hours? egad!
Jason: Hope your prediction comes true
that’s a generous strike zone
all 10 earned runs of it jennifer
come on Johnn D!!!
Johnny think fastball w/ this guy
6 for 6?
if johnny damon goes 6 for 6 you gotta wonder if hes auditioning for a trade some place else.
If Damon goes 6-6, I will kill his wife and marry him.
Damon send everyone home please
But was he hit hard. I know it is probably a very stupid question. But I’m still asking.
Come on Damon, end this thing. My nerves are shot. I can’t take EI.
would 6 for 6 be some kind of record?
Wow, if Damon gets a hit here, the crowd will go insane
can we go 6-6??
Come on, Johnny!!! He shaved the ‘stache. I hope that doesn’t hurt him.
The way this game, and season is going, Melky will hit a walk off homerun, Cano will run out to chest bump, knock him down and break his rib, and he will be out for the rest of the season.
Pete,
What a day to skip a game at the Stadium
he’s gonna walk him
YEAH BABY !!!!!
BEST GAME OF THE YEAR!!!!! WHoohooo
I’ll take a walk.
“Actually, he got creamed his last start.”
How is that relevant? Every pitcher has a bad start. Grienke has a 3.56 ERA, 1.25 WHIP and the league is slugging .419 against him.
And he’s already made the yankees look silly once this year when he threw 8 shutout innings against them.
He’s one of the AL’s best young pitcher and has great stuff. He’s going to be tough tomorrow in all likelihood.
Wow. Just WOW…..but we had no business winning this game :/ Seems like a trend…
CK That, Damon will hit the walk off and be out for the season!!!!!!!!!
Good God.
Wow
Fantastic
SJ, I agree that the Royals are a better team than the Blue Jays. But Soria is, arguably, a better pitcher than B.J. Ryan right now.
So this walk-off victory is just as impressive as the one a couple of days ago, in my opinion.
this team needs some help – but thank god that bailed out Pettite!!
He owes this team some serious dinner!!
HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOOT!!!
Johnny Be GREAT TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a game!!! Damon today was a GOD!!
6-6, amazing performance by Damon. Maybe the best performance by a Yankee hitter since Arod hit 3 HR’s and drove in 10 runs against the Angels a few years ago.
Amazing performance.
OMFG DAMON!!!!!!!!!
This has to be the best game of his career and a GREAT WIN!!! You’re my boy Johnny!!!!!!!! w00t!!!!
That could possibly be the craziest regular season game I have ever seen.
Too bad it shouldn’t have been close.
Still amazing.
Damon. What can you say? 6-6.
Gotta love it.
Though I wish run support happened yesterday too.
before everyone goes crazy… let’s remember – this is the lowly Royals here…
but I’ll still take it.
What is with Alex not wanting to hug his teammates?
This is the 08 Yankees, Damon goes 5 for 5, needs a hit to win the game………………
I was wrong! I’m an idiot!!!
GO YANKEES!!!!!
The new Yankee Sandwich…. Two heartstoppers with a doozy in between. Your 2008 Yankees
2nd game in 3 days they’ve come back after trailing going into the 9th
AMAZING WIN!!!!!!
god I hate you Johnny Damon I always will but thank you !
Geico needs a new play of the game. Again, being that the Yankees made no errors, I like today as best game of the year more than Thursday. Not that it matters, the win is the thing. Congratulations faithful, what a day.
johnny goes 6-6!! season over now bandwagon fans?
“Ball game over! Yankees win! Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankees win!”
Kevin
CB,
Better yet, the Ynakees drafted his brother, who is a good pitcher.
JOHNNY D!!!…6-6 is just unreal… accept for his 0-5 showing last night he has been top 5 hottest hitters in the majors…. his average has gone up like 50 points in the last few weeks
SWEET JESUS!
Shame it took all that, but man oh man.
Now if this can’t get this team going I don;t know what can
Need a good combo start tomorrow
It is all about getting Mo into the game. Yankees win even though he coughs up the HR and doubles his ERA.
This team has a ton of problems, and it was just the Royals.
But this is a really good win. Soria is a lights out closer.
CK..CK…Joba breaks Damon’s neck and he’s out for the season.
I can’t believe they did this against Soria. Besides Mo he’s arguably been the most dominant closer in the game this year.
In 26 innings he’s given up 3 runs and only 13 hits. He’s struck out 28 hitters in those 26 innings.
He’s been absolutely great. To come back against him is amazing.
How long until we see this game on Yankee classics?
Johnny is the man of the week!! The rest of the team better be buying him lots of booze tonight! Wooot!!! This is the best performance from a Yankee in a LONG time. DAMON FTW!!!!!
Now the question is, does he stay clean shaven after his amazing performance today or does he grow a new ‘stache for the new hitting streak? Pete should start a poll!
OBAMA/DAMON 08 or McCAIN/DAMON 08 whichever you prefer
so…can someone who saw the first 7 innings shed any light on why Andy was left in to give up ten!?
“I swear that Livan Hernandez has gotten more run on this discussion board than any other soft-tosser in the history of mankind.”
Given that he’s been alive for most of the history of mankind, that’s not so surpising.
(sorry, catching up… so how’s the game going?)
the people at YES must be thrilled, they got 2 yankee classics in the span of 3 days
Lucky. Good win!
Unfortunately, yanks still will lose 3 of 4. KC is too good, and now they’re mad.
it doesn’t take much to get you people back on the bandwagon, grow up
SJ44, make sure you tell the official scorer to change the L you put in Rivera’s column to a win, we wouldn’t want it to count as a loss for Mo even though the team won.
SJ,
If Luke Greinke has half the stuff that Zack does he’ll be a good pitcher in this league and have a long career.
This was a remarkable game. But I want to see how this offense does tomorrow against Greinke.
I also want to see them score runs in games in which they aren’t depending on the home run.
Can’t be consistent if so much of the offense depends on the long ball.
It would just have been wrong for Pettitte to get a ND and Mo a loss in this game.
Baseball Gods owed us I guess after Giambi’s phantom swing last night.
Royals or not, this win still feels great. For me, it’s a sweet enough win where you can just forget all about the larger issues that loom until tomorrow.
I agree that leaving Pettitte in as long as he did was a mistake, however going into tomorrow, the Royals bullpen is more spent than the Yankees.
I think Joba is going to do well tomorrow, 6 innings, 1 ER. Ohlendorf, Farnsworth, Rivera, win.
“I can’t believe they did this against Soria.”
that’s what truely impressed me, the Yankees have guys that can hit the fastball , it’s the offspeed/fastball combo that kills them. But CB other than Mo in the AL Soria is LIGHTS OUT IDK how we did it.
blame it on Meachum.
No need for the qualified congratulations.
This was an amazing win. Damon was wonderful.
“Lucky. Good win!
Unfortunately, yanks still will lose 3 of 4. KC is too good, and now they’re mad.”
Words cannot describe this statement. At least not in the English language. Maybe Latin could work…
Also, I’d like to nominate Wilson Betemit for player of the game for drawing the crucial walk.
CB what how much does Luke Greinke top out at ? You know he’s about to sign w/ the Yankees.
6 for 6, OK, we can trade Damon now.
woohoo now we know how Baltimore must’ve felt from the other night.
To catch up from two 4 run leads and then a one-run lead in a win/tie this inning or lose situation.
Of course, they only had to do it against a
Damon was credited with a single in his last AB even though the ball bounced into the stands.
‘Just something I want to add to your analysis on Livan Hernandez, CB (which I think is spot on”
spot on what?
spot on wrong?
love that word ” peripherals” .
it just sounds so smart.
the twins wins games when hernandez pitches.
peripheral that.
Heard the update that said we had gone down 10-6 so I was pleasantly surprised not really surprised, okay I was really surprised to see that we won the game.
Looking at Gameday it was nice to see the much maligned Betemit draw the crucial 2 out walk as Nick mentioned.
Brandon,
Soria has just been fantastic the past two years. It’s hard to believe that the Dodgers DFA’d him and then San Diego let him go in the rule 5 draft.
I knew we had this game won all along.
JJJJJJJJOOHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNYYYYY…thats all i have to say
-and good homer by jorge
Peppi… I agree… time to trade Damon while he’s hot 6-6 and huge increase in BA… Get it done Cash.
I know CB, now tell me about Luke Greinke I saw his FB at 90 mph on MLB draft video what does it top out at ?
P.S. I can’t believe Soria was a rule 5.
“the twins wins games when hernandez pitches.”
Amazingly enough, they average 6.15 runs a game when Livan pitches.
The Twins average 4.67 runs a game for the season. (which leads me to wonder, which pitcher is getting the short end of the stick over there)
Pepitone,
Noticed you were a fellow Lakers fan. Do you frequent the LA Times blog?
So Bonderman and Westbrook are both probably out for the year. Those are major blows for two projected top AL teams. I think it’s safe to say the wild card will not come from the central. I think it comes down to the Yankees and Tampa Bay strangely enough.
mvp of the game gotta go to Jeter. For laying down that bunt in the furst inning. Which in turn led to the run.
11-10(one run win)
CASE CLOSED
Brandon,
The only thing I’ve seen on Luke Greinke is that he’s high 80′s low 90′s. Decent stuff and a good pitcher but doesn’t have anywhere near Zack’s stuff (which few people do).
Completely off topic….
Did anyone just see Shaq in that jockey outfit at the Belmont Stakes? I nearly pissed myself.
that is a real weak case
Despite the win, this game showed why Girardi is the wrong man to be manager for the Yankees. Fortunately, the players made up for his bone headed moves.
There is no excuse for his poor management. The Bat Boy could have done a better job in managing the game than Girardi did.
Was Girardi hired to lead this team to a losing season? It almost seems like some of the moves he makes are to lose games rather than win them.
Even today, who would ever have figured that the Yankees could come back yet again by counting on a batter, Damon, going 6-6. That has only happened 12 times. That isn’t playing the odds.
Mo I absolutely forgive for giving up the home run. He has been so good this season, you can’t fault him for one run. Its only his second this season.
Girardi is not a good manager. He doesn’t make very good moves, and he will cost the Yankees wins this year.
Hillman and Girardi both have poor records this season for their teams. Both seem to think they need to play with the lineup practically every day. Is it any wonder they are having troubles? At least Hillman has some excuse, its not like he has a great group of players on that team. What’s Girardi’s excuse?
It is amazing that with the Yankees inconsistencies thus far, with four of the 5 starters they were depending on to start the year entirely underperforming (most importantly Wang and Andy), with the offense being so hot and cold (look at the last two games as an example), with Joe Girardi adding not much in terms of managerial innovation, the Yankees are 5.5 out of the wild card and 6 out in the division, with four teams that you have definite questions about their ability to sustain their success ahead of them, and CLE/DET now having pitching injuries adding to their woes (TB, OAK, MIN, BAL). If this team could ever get their collective head on straight……
oh thanks CB… so he’s a Darell Rasner guy
Miggs,
Saw it! He made the others look like…you know what I mean.
Did you guys talk about all the Sawx suspensions and the Manny/Yuk thing? The others seem to be irritated with Youkilis tantrums.
It is a great win.
When the team was conructed, this was what was expected that in the first half as the pitching staff is settling in the offense will mash its way to wins. Unfortunately many key people were hurt and the other key people were in slumps. Now the team is whole again and people like Giambi and Damon are out of thier early season funks. Even Betemit joined the party. We will see many more wins like this.
By the all star game, I expect the pitching to settle down both in the starting rotation and the bullpen with key call ups from the minors.
It is going to be tremendously exciting from the all star break and this team will be a fun to watch. I still believe we will win the division and there is a possiblity Rex Sox may not even make the playoffs with all thier issues. Yanks have had thier issues already and weathered them without falling too far benind.
As far as I can tell – (and I’m happy to be corrected) Damon is now tied with about 2 dozen people from Ty Cobb to Myril Hoag in 1934 (the only other Yankee on the list) with 6 hits in a regulation game.
Personally, I don’t think Myril Hoag could carry Johnny’s jock strap. (assuming he is dead of course)
Mel, yeah, I’v been a Laker’s fan since 1964. No, I have not used The Times blog, I use the LakersGround website for news on my team.
Do you live in the L.A. area too?
“I think it’s safe to say the wild card will not come from the central. I think it comes down to the Yankees and Tampa Bay strangely enough.”
Not sure if the red sox will be in the hunt for playoffs with all thier mounting issues.
Pepitone-
No, but I’m a little west.
Were you as sick as I was on Thursday? LOL @ Jackson. I bet he wishes the angels that visited Pierce would visit his hips and back.
“I think it comes down to the Yankees and Tampa Bay strangely enough.”
One of the true saving graces of the season so far is not only are they still within striking distance for the division and wild card – but the wild card race isn’t really that tight this year.
One of the biggest obstacles to them making the post season last year (and one of the main reasons they had to play .700 ball the second half) was that the wild card race was really, really congested last year.
They had to jump past detroit, the twins, the mariners and fend off the jays who were also in the race.
This year it does look like the wild card is going to come down to a two team race in the AL East.
Much easier when there’s only one team you’re competing with for the wild card rather than 3-4.
That’s why it’s not simply their record right now that’s the concern – it’s how they are playing.
Sry – I meant to post my source:
http://baseball-almanac.com/recbooks/hits.shtml
Can someone please check randy in to the Livanaholics Anonymous?
“I don’t think Myril Hoag could carry Johnny’s jock strap”
Not to mention the golden thong.
Oh, the irony. Dickey comes in for Seattle, gets Cash to pop out but then a run scores on a passed …. knuckleball! Wakefield hasn’t beaten Seattle @ Fenway since 1998.
Mel-
True dat!! But if the Lakers don’t win game two they are in big trouble.
Back to the Yanks…so who do we blame for this win?
Joe Girardi on the post game with Suzyn Waldman said he left Andy in to pitch to Guillen because Girardi had decided that “the game was Andy’s to win”.
That’s really hard to believe. This “trust” thing making decisions on bull pen moves is bewildering.
No different than Torre. That’s the same exact thinking.
“That’s really hard to believe. This “trust†thing making decisions on bull pen moves is bewildering.
No different than Torre. That’s the same exact thinking.”
Being a first year manager, Girardi has to first win the club house. That is what he is doing now.
You will see the difference in the second half.
“Joe Girardi on the post game with Suzyn Waldman said he left Andy in to pitch to Guillen because Girardi had decided that “the game was Andy’s to winâ€.”
I agree, Andy has been clutch for this team for too many years to quit on him now. Though, I agree with SJ44, he may be nearing the end of a magnificent career.
What I don’t get is his love affair with Farnsworth! Unlike Andy, this guy has proven nothing in his career, and yet he gives him chance after chance. I understand the trust for Andy, not for Farnsworth.
“Being a first year manager, Girardi has to first win the club house. That is what he is doing now.”
I’m sorry. That is nonsense. The idea that Girardi’s job as manager is to make the veterans feel good rather than win games is ridiculous.
If he was doing that (and I don’t think he is – I think he’s just “trusting” veterans despite their performance) than that would be inexcusable. Absolutely inexcusable.
He’s there to manage. Not to make friends, especially with guys he was teammates with before.
Heard loudly when the Yankee final score was posted on the hand operated scoreboard at the Green Sardine Can ……….. Awwwwww – - shyt !!!!
Get Rid OF GIRARDI,
You are ripping Girardi left and right yet you give no specific moves he made this game to prove that hes a bad manager.
‘Amazingly enough, they average 6.15 runs a game when Livan pitches.”
blargh-
keep those numbers coming.
gamers play better behind gamers.
just had to throw that it in to annoy the bp crowd.
Pepitone,
I’d normally agree with you on Andy but this isn’t the first time he’s blown a lead. He’s coughed up one lead after another after another for the past month.
Now its a pattern. I don’t know if he’s done. But he’s pitching poorly now – pitching in a way that doesn’t give him the benefit of the doubt in a tight spot. That’s the difference, IMO. It’s recurring now.
pete.. how can you miss this game.. crazy!!!
good to see the offense help out finally.. but lets not get all excited.. its the royals.
not sure what to make of pettite’s outing.. i think i blame girardi more then andy, on the hottest day of the year.. you cant leave him in that long. once he got in trouble in the 7th. you have to take him out.
CB I got to disagree here you Andy to believe he can get past those innings, he is a bounce back guy, I wouldn’t have pulled him either, the latter would be Andy losing confidence and Veras being put in a basesloaded situation that could make or break him.
The qusetionable move I had was Farnsy in Detroit.
The qusetionable move I had was Farnsy in Minnesota *
“You are ripping Girardi left and right yet you give no specific moves he made this game to prove that hes a bad manager.”
Patrick, I think the consensus seems to be that Joe should have taken out Pettite in the 7th. I don’t think it was a bad move, although it turned out to be a bad non-move. But that’s managing, sometimes the decision turns out good and you’re labeled a genius, someties the decision is bad and you’re labeled a bum. You can’t win.
I’m with you, I like Joe, I think he will be fine.
The qusetionable move I had was Farnsy in Minnesota *
questionable * (that’s it I’m taking a walk, be back later people)
Your point, CB, is obviously a good one, I just happen to disagree.
I understand you were a ballplayer at one time, so I defer to your opinion. I guess I like our guys from those old WS chapmions a little too much sometimes.
What a wild and wacky win
randy: I’m confused though; shouldn’t a gamer, by nature, play hard regardless? Or am I misunderstanding what a gamer is in the first place?
Pepitone,
I guess its a bad move that he left Andy in. Frankly I’d rather have Andy facing Guillen with bases loaded than Veras. Veras probably would give up a walk in that situation. Thats the problem, theres nobody in the bullpen I’d trust (other than MO) to bring in when there are men in scoring position.
I haven’t decided yet if I like Girardi, hes definitely made some bad moves this season but what manager doesn’t? I don’t like his bullpen management at all and I wish he had more consistency in the lineups he assembles.
I’m still on the fence, hopefully Joe can improve and become a great manager like we all expected.
Have a little more whine guys.
If you can not enjoy the afterglow of this one, there is not much hope for your over the top expectations.
“I’m sorry. That is nonsense. The idea that Girardi’s job as manager is to make the veterans feel good rather than win games is ridiculous.
If he was doing that (and I don’t think he is – I think he’s just “trusting†veterans despite their performance) than that would be inexcusable. Absolutely inexcusable.
He’s there to manage. Not to make friends, especially with guys he was teammates with before.”
Sorry CB, with due respect if you think it is non-sense, this tells how ignorant you are about human relations. Once you lose the club house, it does not matter how good you are as a manager. How many times such situations caused the fall of managers in the past. Here we are talking about a first year manager, where things have not gone well with all the injuries and you want to bury him and not give him a chance for half year. Well… I am willing ot wait….
Have a little more whine guys.
Only if you bring the cheese.
“Once you lose the club house, it does not matter how good you are as a manager. How many times such situations caused the fall of managers in the past.”
I’m not sure I totally agree with you but one example would be Grady Little last season with the Dodgers.
overall joe has done well.
but you have to question the logic of letting an old andy pettite throw 111 pitches on the hottest day of the year, especially when he has shown this year he tends to lose gas quickly
How the heck did Vernon Wells come back from a BROKEN WRIST so quickly? Broken bones take more than a month to heal, and then there is rehab for muscle loss.
That is amazing.
From some of the comments after the win; I’d say some one has been cutting the cheese
The Twins play harder behind Livan because nobody wants to let down a grandfather figure.
Is Wilford Brimly available for the setup role?
“Say they had two livan hernandez’s instead of the rookies. Right now that would do the team little good as the problems with Pettite and Wang would remain.”
cb-
no , if the yankees had two livan hernandez’s that would mean that the yankees had fired cashman and hired a really smart gm who would have rehired neil allen( who cashman fired) as wang’s personal pitching coach who would have wang tuned up for every game.
you know , most gms when a triple a pitching coach hands them a 19 game winner out of the blue do anything to keep that pitching coach.
not cashman. allen was hired by the tampa faction so out he goes as the insecure cashman gets rid of any opposing views.
allen was so bad that torre called him this past winter for the dodgers pitching coach job.
“The Twins play harder behind Livan because nobody wants to let down a grandfather figure.”
LOL, is that why the Yanks have scored more runs and pitched well out of the bullpen behind Moose? Maybe everyone should fill their starting rotations with elder statesmen so the team will play hard. Aren’t Pedro, Glavine, Maddux all free agents after the season?
If you were a manager armed with the following facts:
Your starter had already given up 6 runs in 6 2/3 innings.
Righties are hitting .350 against him this year.
He had already given up a HR and a double to the hitter coming to the plate.
What do you do?
I think 99% of the people would say, “bring in the righthander to face Guillen”.
It was a bad move. It wasn’t about winning the clubhouse over or anything like that. It was a guy who trusted (too much, IMO) the efforts of a close friend and teammate.
In fact, if you want to apply business principles to the move, Joe violated the first rule of business. He’s too emotionally invested in one person and made a decision that wasn’t in the best interests of the overall company (team).
He’s a first year manager in NY and he’s trying to win. To that end, he is leaning on guys he is closest to. Namely, Farnsworth and Pettitte.
Its a natural thing to do. It just happens to be the wrong thing to do, IMO.
You have to be colder and more detached in your decisionmaking.
If Andy was going to get upset over being pulled, so what? Its not about pleasing him. Its about doing what’s best for the team.
Just as allowing Moose to pitch to Manny earlier in the year and playing Jorge too soon after he was injured, you walk a fine line between overdoing it with veteran love and doing what’s best for the team.
I am hoping that at some point, he learns his lesson.
The correct baseball move today, given all the facts above, was not having Pettitte pitch to Guillen.
Fortunately, it didn’t cost them the game.
It was stupid to intentionally load the bases when Pettitte hasn’t been getting great ground ball outs today. That was the first boneheaded move that Girardi called for. The second was leaving him in with bases loaded and up against a batter who took him long already today.
That wasn’t smart managing. Pitch carefully if you want, but go after the guy. When your best pitch isn’t working that well, are you then going to trust it to get the doubleplay ball? That is stupid. The odds are not in your favor with a move like that.
Girardi also allowed Mussina to go up against Manny. How did that work out?
Girardi isn’t showing much as a manager. He can only seem to manage the team to .500, then cough it up again.
Remember, this was the Royals. This should have been a blow out game with the way the Yankees were hitting. Instead it was a nailbiter, due to poor management.
‘I’m confused though; shouldn’t a gamer, by nature, play hard regardless?”
blargh-
good point, but it doesn’t work out that way. i think it’s a synergy thing. a pitching gamer gets everyone with “gamer” tendencies going like with pettitte and damon today.
i actually don’t use the word “gamer” because it’s kind of a cliche and is usually assigned to gritty white guys who aren’t very good but they try hard.
i have to confess i was tweaking those who don’t know much unless baseball prospectus tells them they know it.
…and i was getting ready to throw out the “c” word-” clutch”, but i decided to save it for another day.
not that anyone really cares much, but Damon’s last hit–like Robin Ventura’s Grand Slam single–was a single instead of a GR Double b/c he never touched 2nd base.
So his OPS in reality is 905 now instead of 900
SJ,
Great post! The Yanks are not a great team at the moment. Struggling this much against the worst team in the league does not bode well but at least they are battling and have some fight. I am torn in that I truly believe that the organization’s new found developmental approach will reap great benefits next season and beyond. That said, the Yanks cannot win it this year, that it beyond clear. To admit that this team is not built to win THIS season is difficult considering the success it’s had over the past 11-12 years. However, it is the case, and as a collective we have to believe that good times are ahead. I would like to see more young guys brought up and groomed for ’09 and beyond.
SJ 44
Your point being that Joe G. is simply not mature enough , or in other words, too close to the older yankee players in age, that he can’t make rational decisions?
Apparently. He had better get over that amateur approach quickly. He was supposed to be the consumate hard nosed pro.
And they’re off!
nick in sf-
i’ll bet the oldest one wins!
Big Brown..big no
Big Brown lost! That is a pretty big upset.
I agree that the Yanks should have signed Livan. He would be a nice bridge back to pre-Castro Cuba.
That is some horse, I am really surprised that Big Brown didn’t carry the day. Too bad. I guess we will be hearing about this for the next two weeks.
Good lord Dutro(sp?) change your shirt
Also, R.I.P Jim McKay, class guy and great broadcaster. The thrill of victory… and the agony of defeat.
Also, I think he called Livan’s first game.
“no , if the yankees had two livan hernandez’s that would mean that the yankees had fired cashman and hired a really smart gm who would have rehired neil allen( who cashman fired) as wang’s personal pitching coach who would have wang tuned up for every game.
you know , most gms when a triple a pitching coach hands them a 19 game winner out of the blue do anything to keep that pitching coach.”
Cash fired Neil Allen after the 2005 season.
Wang won 38 games in 2006 and 2007.
There is no connection between Wang’s current fade and Allen’s dismissal 3 years ago.
I don’t think its a question of maturity with Girardi.
I think its a question of comfort.
He obviously feels more comfortable with Pettitte in that situation than Veras. That’s natural, given his relationship with Petitte.
Torre had his “guys”. Meaning, guys he was comfortable with in game deciding situations.
Here’s the rub with Girardi.
He’s no longer Pettitte’s catcher. He is the manager. He has to think about the entire team, not just the pitcher. To that end, he has to find some guys in that bullpen who can get big outs because his starters can’t do deep into games effectively.
We can call it “testing” or whatever you wish. Either way, he’s got to use his bullpen and not overdo it with Andy.
Overall, I think he’s done a good job managing this team. He’s in a tough spot. Its a team in transition that also has veteran players (and management) playing for this year. That’s a real balancing act.
The only thing I want to see Girardi do better right now is see players for what they are today. Not as they were in yesteryear.
If you watch Andy as a scout or as a person familar with pitching, his stuff is really short right now. He’s a bulldog and a gamer but his stuff just isn’t good.
David Cone pretty much affirmed that comment with some of the things he said in the telecast today. Nobody in the media knows pitching better than Coney.
I don’t think its a season ending decision or anything like that. I’d just like to see him handle the situation differently should it come up again this season.
nick in sf-
the yankees should have signed fidel.
it was his dream to pitch for the yankees.
think of all the trouble it would have saved.
no bay of pigs.
no missile crisis,etc
it’s nice to see you’re finally finally seeing the light.
CB I got to disagree here you Andy to believe he can get past those innings, he is a bounce back guy, I wouldn’t have pulled him either, the latter would be Andy losing confidence and Veras being put in a basesloaded situation that could make or break him.
I got to disagree with you here.
You can’t always manage on feel, hope, trust, whatever. That only goes so far. Sometimes you have to realize what is staring you right in the face.
The facts of the situation just screamed, “Get him out of there.”
Already a rough outing in draining heat, well over 100 pitches, and facing a righty batter who’d been killing him all day. Was a recipe for disaster.
My take is that Joe was more nervous about bringing in a bullpen arm and gettting ripped to shreds if they failed than he was about leaving Pettitte in and having him blow it.
I was strongly in favor of replacing Torre and then in hiring Girardi, but that move today was completely wrong and to be blunt boneheaded.
All we can do is hope he learned a valuable lesson today.
“Cash fired Neil Allen after the 2005 season.
Wang won 38 games in 2006 and 2007.
There is no connection between Wang’s current fade and Allen’s dismissal 3 years ago.”
and all last summer who did wang call after every bad game?
With due respect SJ, if your writings or opinions were to be followed by Yanks or Girardi, Damon and Gaimbi will not be on the team right now.
I still say, if you can make a good deal, you trade Damon.
His value will probably never be as high again as it is right now.
Sorry, but a 12-11 win against the Royals doesn’t change my mind about where this team is headed this season.
“and all last summer who did wang call after every bad game?”
If those phone calls were the key to Wang’s success, as you seem to suggest, there’s nothing to prevent him from calling Allen now.
Ok just got home from the game. Not even sure where to begin on this one.
First off I guess is the heat it was way out of control give the Yankees credit at least for setting up the hydration station as after about the 4th inning there was not a water bottle to be found by the walking vendors around the stadium at least where we were sitting.
Andy just didnt look good he seemed to settle down for as few innings but just doesnt seem teh same to me. I guess with the GS yes you could say you take him out but he did get the batter before out and guillen was looking great at the plate but I trust Ady more than Veras at that point. BY the way Hilman seemed to take Guillen out a bit early as it went on to be.
The ball did seem to be flying out today not sure if it was the heat but even during BP balls were flying. Giambi nd Arod’s ball especially were out of control. And Guillens (I think it was his) first HR didnt seemed to be hit all that well and it almost looked like JOhny could get it but it seemed to pick up steam.
Never did hear from anyone what the heck happened to cause that delay obviously other than losing an umpire. You would think that once fans see the whole team come off the firld they would have said something at this point.
JOhnny Damon was obviously on fire it was fun to see him come out to left after each of his at bats he really does like to interact with everyone.
Out of curiosity since the were playing with one ump down when KC had a guy on first and 2nd the 3rd base ump went over to 2nd really in between 2nd and 3rd but closer to 2nd. Does that mean it is the home plate umps call if there is a close pay at 3rd? Lets say there was a double steal there is no way the home plate guy sees a close play at 3rd or for that matter a ball hit down the 3rd base line.
When has SJ ever been right with an opinion here?
The guy gave up last year and the team won 90+ games. He gave up on Giambi and look at him. He gave up on Cano and that’s not going turn out well for him. SJ can’t stand Pettitte and thinks he should have retired and he’s done. And he’s been saying get Damon out of here forever.
A lot of fans want to ship all the “high priced vets” out of here and let young kids come up and play. These people dont realize that if the young kids aren’t as talented as the vets they are in for a ton of losing. You don’t give up on talent even if they are vets.
So take whatever SJ says with a grain of salt. He’s a glass half empty kind of guy.
… and you can add Moose to that list too.
And right now these three guys are literatlly carrying the team.
It was Girardi’s showing faith in them and building thier confidence that made the difference.
We need to give credit where it belongs instead of nit picking every little move. If Pettitte were to get Guillen out, the same folks will be saying what a great move by Girardi it was and Veras would have blown the game.
“I still say, if you can make a good deal, you trade Damon.
His value will probably never be as high again as it is right now.”
And who leadsoff and plays LF? Duncan? Maybe Gardner? Don’t fall in love with weak hitting soon to be 4th OF’s.
There is a reason why Damon is an all star. You want to trade him after a 6-6 day. Imagine if he goes 0-4????
Guillotine?
These blogs are made for nitpicking a managers moves.
Do you blame Girardi for not using his bullpen and going with his great vet Andy P??
Especially after the past week??
So take whatever SJ says with a grain of salt. He’s a glass half empty kind of guy.
Or he’s an objective realist?
Do any of you honestly look at this team and see championship caliber?
Yes, we all know they came back last year. Was amazing wasn’t it? You know why it was so amazing? Because it was a borderline fluke. Those kind of comebacks rarely happen. Expecting it to happen again is foolish. Sure you can root for it, but to bank the future on it is silly.
At some point the team has to decide what they are going to do, because unless they address the flawed lineup we have, it will only get worse next season when they are all another year older.
“Do you blame Girardi for not using his bullpen and going with his great vet Andy P??
Especially after the past week??”
Well, Moose went simlar streach and Girardi stuck with him. How did the things turn out now?
“Do any of you honestly look at this team and see championship caliber?”
Yes I do.
So far the team has gone thru lot of adversity and things will change moving forward.
Bob/SJ44,
Championships aren’t crowned in June. I thought someone as knowledgeable as you would know that?
Were the Cardinals championship caliber in 2006?
I guess you haven’t noticed but the AL is real down this year and the door is wide open for this team to come thru. But I guess you are too busy seeing all the flaws and wanting to ship all the vets out of here and go with the Scranton lineup to get them “experience”.
It’s not like this same team didn’t have the most wins in baseball after July last yr.
Not like this team doesn’t have Joba in the rotation now and some talented youngsters like Melancon and Cox on the way.
God forbid they should think PLAYOFFS!!
“In fact, if you want to apply business principles to the move, Joe violated the first rule of business.”
– I thought the first rule of business was ‘the customer is always right
Incidentally, I would like to congratulate randy who is clearly on the road to recovery through his LA counseling (Livanaholics Anonymous). At 6:55, he posted an entry sans a reference to El Duque’s little brother.
Baby steps randy . . . baby steps.
How can you kill Girardi for keeping Pettitte out there in the 7th? Are you serious? He locates a fastball vs Guillen and we are all raving about his guts. Like we damn well should.
Veras is starting to look impressive.
The best point made by anyone is that the American League is utter garbage this year.
Who here is scared of the Rays and Blue Jays and the A’s?
This isn’t last year when you had every single team appearing ready to win 95+ games.
Joba goes 5 innings tomorrow. Mark it down from Mark.
“Joba goes 5 innings tomorrow. Mark it down from Mark.”
I’ll sign up for that right now, Mark in CT.
I think he will easy.
But I guess you are too busy seeing all the flaws and wanting to ship all the vets out of here and go with the Scranton lineup to get them “experienceâ€.
No. I see the flaws and want them to make moves that could help them down the road. Moving some of the aging vets while their stock is up to try and stock the farm with some more possibilities makes sense to me.
I root and hope like hell that this team can turn it around, but I’m sorry it just does not look good.
The best point made by anyone is that the American League is utter garbage this year.
Who here is scared of the Rays and Blue Jays and the A’s?
This isn’t last year when you had every single team appearing ready to win 95+ games.
Tiger and Indian fans are looking up and saying, “Look at all the garbage ahead of us in the WC standings.”
Where they are is basically where we were last year.
Don’t count those teams out.
“It was Girardi’s showing faith in them and building thier confidence that made the difference.”
Is that quantifiable?
I think they’ve just been sneaking candy into the clubhouse.
” there’s nothing to prevent him from calling Allen now.”
he likely is.
wouldn’t it be natural for a young pitcher to keep in contact with the pitching coach who taught him the sinker that turned him into a star?
…but being there as say the bullpen coach might give a little more hands on coaching to keep wang in sync don’t you think?
Fianlly have read through some stuff and some online reports Damon shaved the stache that I saw but the new trend will be socks high, ZFist game I have seen him with the socks high. Early in the game they showed a bunch if guys on the jumbrotron wearingthe fake stgache’s pretty funny.
I think they’ve just been sneaking candy into the clubhouse.
LOL
Damon downed a whole bag of Goobers before the game and chased it with a YooHoo.
I understand that the draft to many is now old news…..I just realized that the Yanks drafted catcher Kyle Higasioka from Huntington Beach…..This is actually a fine pick…..Real good power ( although his arm isn’t quite as strong as Austin Romine ) but a nice find…..I was certain he was on his way to Cal…..Surprised that OF Mykal Jones was picked at all….He’s going to Orange Coast Jr.College in Costa Mesa….Great speed on the bases…..Kyle is a real nice find that’s if he decides against cashing in on a free ride to Berkley…..
I still do not understand what Peter has against bunting and small ball. Especially when the team has not been hitting AT all with RISP.
“…but being there as say the bullpen coach might give a little more hands on coaching to keep wang in sync don’t you think?”
Maybe so. Certainly the man deserves big props for helping Wang perfect his sinker.
But when I see how Wang performed in 2006 and 2007, it just doesn’t seem like Allen’s an integral part of the equation anymore. If Wang had flopped in those years, I would say, bad on Cash. But with Wang’s success, I think it’s hard to fault Cash for dismissing Allen.
Take Pettitte out. And bring who in?
Ohlendorf: 5.67 ERA, 1.59 WHIP, 33/14 K/BB, .815 OPS allowed (last three outings 3.2 Inn, 0 runs, but 3 hits and 2 walks)
Veras: 4.11 ERA, .98 WHIP, 13/3 K/BB, .639 OPS allowed (June 2.1 Inn, 2 ERs, 2 hits and one walk, mostly from that horrific outing on June 3, plus threw 35 pitches on June 5)
Farnsworth: 4.45 ERA, 1.59 WHIP, .978 OPS allowed (and would anyone want him near this game)
Hawkins: suspended, but no fan would let him near this game.
Ramirez: just pitched last night, but also note: lefties .506 OPS, righties .728 OPS
Giese: saved for tomorrow.
Stats break down to Veras being the right more, but its not as cut and dry as it appears. Does Girardi trust Pettitte more than his bullpen? Well, looking at that bullpen who doesn’t? Veras and Ramirez are the only bullpen members the fans would accept in that situation, but Ramirez just pitched and Veras tends to be wild and hittable. Plus, if the bullpen blew it, fans would have been saying Pettitte, who had two quick innings and just struck out Teahan, should have stayed in. Should Pettitte have come out? Probably, but its not that easy, especially when you are Girardi and you have to ask yourself whether to choose between pitchers you have no faith in and one that you have a little faith in. Besides, who doesn’t have memories of each member of the bullpen imploding at the most inopportune times this month? Its not favoritism: its a poor bullpen. Get better bullpen arms and then it is an easier choice. I’m not saying Girardi made the right choice, just that it has less to do with favoritism and more to do with a bullpen that cannot be trusted yet.
And if you feel that they need to run the arms out there to try them out, that’s fine, but then you cannot criticize Girardi for running those arms out there in tight spots and letting the bullpen blow it.
But Cox and Melancon are looking really good, so this problem should hopefully right itself.
The best hope is that today’s win wasn’t just another one of those one-game winning streaks.
At some point these Yankees have to show they’re serious players in pursuit of postseason play by putting together efforts noticed by the rest of the league.
tkindc-
there is a group that the LA counseling (Livanaholics Anonymous) people have just started that you might be interested in.
it’s the CA( cashaholics anonymous) group. the first step is admitting that you like cashman because if someone like him could be the yankee gm any one could.
one of the signs of recovery for CA survivors is that it becomes enjoyable again to watch veteran pitchers in action.
I think we got to keep Cashman. I do not think we could get another GM that will handle the pressure and the job of running the Yankees. Also, since 2005, when Cashman got more control over drafting and scouting and the farm system, our system became a lot better adn we have all the prospects that we have. All the big names in our farm system are 2005 and after like Joba, Melancon, cox, Brackman, Kennedy, A-jack, Tabata, Carcia, Aceves, Patterson, Robertson, Giese (not really prospect), Gardner and the list continues. Before 2005, Wang, Cano, Melky (I think), and Hughes. Our organization is changing and Cashman is the guy to continue with.
By the way, Ohlendorf is really good, just only use him for one inning. I dont know the numbers but when his first inning is always dominating but then he fades. Just keep him to one inning, he will be dominant and you could use him back to back days. HE IS NOT A LONG RELIEVER EVEN IF HE WAS A STARTER
Wish I could have gone to Scranton for tonight’s game but I’m sure glad I didn’t blow off going to the stadium today. A great finsh to the game, but honestly, Andy Pettitte is killing them and I don’t understand why Joe Girardi refuses to recognize it. I’m sure this was discussed to death a few hours ago, but I wasn’t thrilled to see Andy come out for the 7th let alone left in to face Guillen. I really think that from now on Pettitte cannot be allowed to face the tying run after the 6th inning.
I call todAys win a ……
DEVISTATING VICTORY
” If Wang had flopped in those years, I would say, bad on Cash. But with Wang’s success, I think it’s hard to fault Cash for dismissing Allen.”
cashman dismissed allen for one reason and that was that allen was hired by the tampa faction. you know , the guys who actually played the game.
http://www.baseball-reference......1988.shtml
if you want to see something interesting look at the above link. it’s the ’88 yankees.
guidry, rhighetti, and allen were all close friends .
martin and pinella were the managers.
you’ll notice that dave eiland was a young rookie on that team.
it’s interesting how cashman seems more comfortable with players who weren’t very good.
Let me try this messaging again.
Good evening from Grayson Stadium in Savannah, GA. Watching Charleston against the Savannah Sand Gnats.
First inning wasn’t good for the Baby Bombers. First three batters struck out. Bottom of the first, Savannah had runners on 1st and 3rd, and Heredia stranded the runners. Nothing happening in the second inning. Gotta tell you, Abraham almonte is like a rocket with legs. Two steals in the inning, no throws necessary, following his single. He was left stranded.
Top of the fourth, one out, bases empty, the biggest Baby Bomber unloaded a 425 foot bomb to left center. A walk followed by angelini hitting into a DP. He’s getting too much like Jeter in the worst areas.
Sorry, but, Pete’s filters aren’t allowing me to do any updates.
OK….I am impressed…I left to go play softball ( we got crushed ) and come back to this ??? Let’s make this the start of something big ….HUGE WIN !….Where are the trolls now ? NYPD, is it past your bedtime, ya bed-wetter ???
Lecture coming:
Since May 20 when Alex Rodruiguez returned from the DL the Yankees are 11-7. The Yankees are a .600 team since Rodriguez returned to lineup.
The Yankees have scored more than 5 runs in more than half of their games since Rodriguez has been back.
To say this team can’t score runs is ridiculous.
To suggest that the loss of Posada and Rodriguez is just like other teams who have lost players is also ridiculous.
Rodriguez is the best player in the league and Posada is the best offensive catcher in the league. Rodriguez created 166 runs by himself last year. A team of Alex Rodriguez’ would have scored 10+ runs a game. When you lose that much offense it is a major thing and not just something you brush off.
This team will, can, and does score when they have their full complement of players.
However if Andy and Wang don’t get better this team is going nowhere.
The offense will not be the reason why they don’t make the playoffs.
Lecture over.
“Well, when Mariano gives up a HR, you know its not your day. Poor guy gives up 2 runs all season and he loses two games. The game isn’t always fair.”
Wow SJ, way to be positive. Didn’t Thursday game tell you this team is capable of coming back?
I’ll try this. abraham Almonte runs like a rocket with legs. 2-3 with a run scored and two steals without at throw in the 3rd inning. Monero hit a 425 foot bomb to left center. Romine is not very good, tonight. 2 errors, 2 passed balls in one inning.
Abraham Almonte 2-3 and two steals. Montero hit a 425 foot bomb, and another 380 foot fly ball.
Yanks will make the playoffs if Hughes and Kennedy come back from their injuries and pitch well in the second half. That’s all.
Is Pete trying to Bogart all of the minor league updates for himself.
ray.,…amen to all that you said, brother !
Anyone else out there watching the Texas / Tampa Bay game ?
Guy is reaching over the wall for a foul grounder off the left field line, tumbles over the wall and lands on top of the ball girl… Oops ! Talk about embarrassing. Nobody hurt though.
“But that’s managing, sometimes the decision turns out good and you’re labeled a genius, someties the decision is bad and you’re labeled a bum. You can’t win. ”
Exactly. Pettitte just struck out Teahan and the last at-bat against Guillen, Guillen weakly grounded to second. It was a calculated risk that didn’t go Girardi’s way. You could make an argument either way.
Veras is known to have spotty control. Do you really want Veras coming in to pitch with the bases loaded?
“no , if the yankees had two livan hernandez’s that would mean that the yankees had fired cashman and hired a really smart gm who would have rehired neil allen( who cashman fired)”
Revisionist history is very nice. I like it. Neil Allen actually left the organization on his own however.
Livan Hernandez update: further research indicates that Livan is technically Spanish, not Cuban, as he pre-dates the Spanish-American War.
“Where they are is basically where we were last year.
Don’t count those teams out.”
So don’t count out those teams who are behind the Yankees but count the Yankees out because they are not championship caliber.
How come you can’t count out those teams but you can count out the Yankees? And that makes sense to you?
“cashman dismissed allen for one reason and that was that allen was hired by the tampa faction. you know , the guys who actually played the game.”
Only one flaw in your theory. Damon Oppenheimer was also part of the Tampa faction and he’s Cashman’s lieutinant.
I was at the game….amazing….just amazing.
“Neil Allen actually left the organization on his own however.”
raymagnetic-
i wouldn’t bet your trademark on that if i were you.( although it seems to have disappeared already)
nope,it’s on cashman.
it was his choice.
wouldn’t bet your trademark on that if i were you.( although it seems to have disappeared already)
nope,it’s on cashman.
it was his choice.”
Allen was relieved of his duties as bullpen coach and offered a non-major league position. He left the organization on his own however.
My trademark isn’t going anywhere. Just using a different computer today.
Need to add he left after Dave Miley was let go from the Columbus Clippers on his own volition.
“it’s interesting how cashman seems more comfortable with players who weren’t very good.”
Then why didn’t he get Livan!?!??!!?!
“cashman dismissed allen for one reason and that was that allen was hired by the tampa faction. you know , the guys who actually played the game.”
Maybe so, but here’s what the Daily News reported:
“People who have dealt with Cashman, perhaps more so since he negotiated full power from Steinbrenner, say he can be a cold-blooded boss as well, with little room for sentiment if it interferes with his vision.
At the very least, he isn’t afraid to tell people face to face what he thinks of their performance. At midseason in 2005, according to a person close to the situation, he confronted bullpen coach Neil Allen, who at the time was thought to be the likely successor to pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre, and told him he was disappointed with the input he was providing, challenging him to get more involved and bring suggestions and ideas to Stottlemyre and Joe Torre that would help the pitchers.
Allen agreed he had been holding back, reluctant to overstep his boundaries, and promised to do more. When Allen failed to make good on the promise, Cashman called him in at the end of the season, said he had given him a chance and fired him.”
Randy you do know it was Brian Cashman who promoted Damon Oppenheimer and dismissed Lin Garrett from the draft process, eversince that move the players drafted in the MLB draft actually played in the majors. I mean I can tell you don’t respect his baseball IQ at all but the young players movement was intiated by him.
Player search in latin america which has been improved by his guy Carlos Rios, the scouts for players in the west is headed by Jeff Patterson. I mean alot of the kids coming in the draft was intiated by Cashman breaking that Tampa factor. You unfortunately have to look past Farnsy, Igawa and Hawkins because I can tell it steams you.
As a little point of interest with Neil allen. In 1988 with the Yanks, he was credited with a shutout, but, not a complete game. He relieved Al Leiter after the first batter of the game, Carney Lansford hit a first pitch single off of him and, Allen came in to relieve. Allen picked Lansford off of first base, the went the distance allowing three hits. The official scorer then used a little used rule allowing the shutout, but, not the complete game.
Now is the Neil Allen of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York.
Holy mackerel! You know how long it takes to scroll through 989 comments? (That was rhetorical, of course)
looks like Gardner is being a little terror in Scranton again, he has 2 hits both singles one which he got a double on a bobble in the OF, he’s stolen his 23 base of the season.
Our Juvenile deliquent in Trenton is 2 for 4, Edwar Gonzalez keeps hitting. Redding is in trouble down 4-0 vs the EL’s best offense and Melancon in probably for a 3 inning relief appearance.
SJ I know your in Tampa so I want to know how bad the Tampa defense was Garcia went 6 IP allowed 3 R and had 6 K’s. Waiting for SJ to give us an update.
in Charleston Almonte (allstar) 2 for 4 w/ 2 SB, son of God went deep w/ his only hit of the game.
It’s all over in Trenton
Melancon 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 3 K’s
lowered his ERA to 1.37, GO/AO 3-0
“Where they are is basically where we were last year.
Don’t count those teams out.â€
So don’t count out those teams who are behind the Yankees but count the Yankees out because they are not championship caliber.
How come you can’t count out those teams but you can count out the Yankees? And that makes sense to you?
My point was that everyone seems to be looking at TB, Toronto, and Oakland as the teams we’d be chasing in the WC race and ignoring teams like Cleveland and Detroit. These are the same people who think comebacks like the ones the Yanks had last year are commonplace. If that’s true, then why are they counting those teams out?
Nobody is out of it yet. However, Detroit might be because they are losing a starter (Bonderman) and I also saw someone on Cleveland having some sort of surgery. Its news to ESPN….so it HAS to be true.
No one is out of it. This next As series is big…no one is done and no reason to panic just yet.
Gardner with 23 SBs?!? wait doesn’t Jose Reyes have like 18SB so far?