Game 64: Royals at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 09, 2008 
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YANKEES
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Molina C
Cabrera CF
Mussina RHP
Mike Mussina (9-4, 4.01) vs. the Kansas City hitters.
Luke Hochevar (3-5, 5.13) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees have won 4 of their last 5. … The Yankees (32-31) have not been two games over .500 since April 23 when they were 12-10.
Johnny Damon is 28 of 51 (.549) over the last 11 games with 11 RBI, 8 extra-base hits and 10 runs scored. He has gone from .265 to.328. … Derek Jeter has a nine-game hit streak (12 of 38). … A-Rod is 6 of 10 in the series with 4 RBI and 3 extra-base hits. … Jason Giambi has hit safely in 10 of the last 11 games he has started at 14 of 40 (.350). That stretch includes 5 HRs and 10 RBI. … Robinson Cano is 8 of his last 21. However he has one RBI since May 25. … The Yankees have grounded into at least one double play in the last eight games. … The Yankees are hitting .357 and averaging 5.85 runs over the last seven games. … Shelley Duncan has one AB since May 31. He’s 3 for 22 since May 17.
Mike Mussina is 8-1 with a 3.26 ERA in his last nine starts. He is seeking the 260th victory of his career.
Kansas City’s Jose Guillen is 7 for 13 in the series with three homers, a double and nine RBI. … Thanks to Brian Heyman for calling in the lineup. I’m on a flight to Oakland this afternoon. Enjoy the game.
UPDATE, 1:23 p.m.: Just got around to checking the coverage in the other papers today and saw Mark Hale of the Post went and asked some of the Royals about Joba yesterday. Found this quote from Mark Teahen interesting:
“More or less the same as he was as a reliever. Nothing special.”
This would be the same Mark Teahen who is 10 for 50 against the Yankees in his career, 1 for 4 against Joba, and is hitting .253 this season with a sparkling .403 slugging percentage. Thanks for the analysis, Mark. Let is us know when you get to .260.
Meanwhile, there’s a guy at Gate A7 walking around with knee length black socks, black wingtips and white shorts. I’m not exactly Classy Freddie Blassie (the fashion plate of wrestling) but I know enough not to wear black socks and dress shoes with shorts.
Can’t imagine Mussina the first 10 games winner in the Al
At least the boys get a 1:05 game on a day they have to fly to California after the game. With how bad some of the schedule has been, it wouldn’t have surprised me for this to be a night game.
But I’ve got to say watching these games live at 3am in Australia has gotten old very quick
The late starts in California 3 days in a row will be good for me, but I bet it’s a killer on those watching in NY.
Safe flight Pete! The weather is really nice in the Bay Area, 70′s all week.
I’ll be at the game on Thursday night.
YanksAngel – I think it is the home team that schedules the timing for games (unless of course ESPN butts in), so the Yankees had a hand in scheduling this early get away game. A lot of the other teams can’t draw enough for day games during the week, so they say, but from what I hear, day games at Yankee Stadium are a huge draw.
Yes! I get to listen to the Yankees during my lunch break. Gotta love weekday day games.
I just had a dream A-Rod confessed on national TV that he cheated on his wife. Normally I don’t share dreams online but they have of a habit of becoming realities lately.
I’ll be baking at the game this afternoon – Hope I don’t melt to the seats! Would be very nice if they gave out lots of ice water (I remember them doing that at the stadium before in one of these heat wave type of days).
Go MOOOOOOOSE!
Yeah, Motwon, that’s what I was referring to, ESPN wanting to carry a few get-away games this year which made them have to travel after a night game. That’s got to be hell having a long flight after a night game.
Let’s hope Moose throws a good game to send them off!!
Lori – I read at River Ave. Blues that they were giving out water at yesterday’s game, so you are probably in luck. Stay cool and enjoy the game. Are your seats in the shade at all?
A win on getaway day is always nice.
Im going to the game today, I cant wait to see moose pitch
Enjoy the cultural ambiance of Oakland, Pete.
Motown – No, we’re upper deck. Usually they’re great seats – right behind home plate and usually a pretty well-behaved bunch of fans. I’ll have plenty of sun screen – and lots of water.
Mike – See ya there!
YanksAngel – I hate ESPN for that, but I moreso hate the other teams who use the excuse of an inattentive fan base to schedule the nighttime getaway games. It just seemed like the Yankees got screwed earlier in the season with all of those late games. I wish the players union had a say in the timing of the getaway games, like no late night getaway game (or at least no 8:00 sunday game) if the departing team has to travel more than two hours without the consent of the teams.
Let’s hope for a win from MOOSE!
Moose will not be blowing on his hands today and hooded sweatshirts have been put away.
Towels will be all over the dugouts.
Apparently the blog won’t let me say the name of the N0.M@ss. blog.. I smell a conspiracy due to their post from yesterday!
“I wish the players union had a say in the timing of the getaway games, like no late night getaway game (or at least no 8:00 sunday game) if the departing team has to travel more than two hours without the consent of the teams.”
I bet they have a big say, but bigger money (ESPN, FOX) somehow always clouds the issue. The fight between lost sleep versus more money usually was no fight at all. Pop a couple of greenies and “let’s play two.”
However, since the players can’t take greenies anymore, they may start to feel it a little more. Let’s see what happens after a year of real time, tired playing without the aid of chemistry. Maybe the union starts to complain before the next TV deal is signed.
Ahh, I’m lovin’ the loge today! GO YANKEES!!
All of you going to the game today, enjoy.
Let’s hope the Yanks win today to take 3 of 4 from the Royals.
Pete – safe travels
anyone else wondering why posada is sitting again? I guess those day games after a day game are real killers
Hmmm… Jeter or Reyes?…
Lately… I’ll take Jeter and here’s why (link)… egads, we think the yankees have it bad…
Speaking of no more greenies for the players, maybe the tighter divisional races aren’t the result of revenue sharing and luxury tax – maybe it’s plain old sleep deprivation. Trends would be more evident on veteran teams, like the Yankees. You would also have to assume that younger teams, like the Rays, would come out on top. Hey, wait a minute…
rich
June 9th, 2008 at 10:25 am
anyone else wondering why posada is sitting again? I guess those day games after a day game are real killers
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From what I’ve read, he’s sitting because he’s played in three straight games after returning from the DL and the heat and position could cause cramps and dehydration. He needs to get the occassional day off to work his way back into everyday status.
No Posada again, eh?
Posada didn’t play Friday, so it’s only been 2 straight.
He just caught two games in a row in oppressive heat 3 days after getting of the DL. Relax.
Brent – apparently not, because I tried to post a question about the same issue. Free speech my @ss! Anyway, I just wanted to hear what Abe had to say on the issue….
Plus, it’s supposed to be blistering hot today – 110 heat index and a code red day. Millions or not, that’s a crappy place to be.
Hmmm… Jeter or Reyes?…
Lately… I’ll take Jeter and here’s why (link)… egads, we think the yankees have it bad…
Careful.. Reyes is Iron Mike Lupica’s favorite player, also know as “TBSSNY” (the best shortstop in NY);)
Used to be that the worst player jinx was being on the cover of SI. Now the worst jinx is being Loopy Lupica’s pet.
Fredo Corleone
June 9th, 2008 at 10:30 am
Posada didn’t play Friday, so it’s only been 2 straight.
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I thought posada was a late inning replacement on Friday?? I’ll have to double check that…
Exactly relax on the Posada front. They said he was only going to catch at first 2 games in a row , see how he felt then work from there. Remember this is a guy who has a bad shoulder so 2 days in a row then see how he responds to that is the right way to proceed.
If they p[layed him 3 days in a row he got hurt again there would be people on here who would go ballistic how can they catch him 3 days in a row in this heat after he just came of the DL.
i’m fine with no posada. i think that because of the condition of his shoulder, we should expect to see him catch alot less games, and come off the bench or dh alot more. that is fine with me, i dont want to increase the risk of losing him for the season. also k.c. runs alot, and oakland doesn’t so joe may be intending to use him in all those games, and resting him today will help there.
eh – he was a ninth inning PH… not a killer diller, but still… he’s just off the DL playing the hardest position in baseball… it warrants a little caution – especially seeing how much we need him from the past two games.
rich- becuase he hasn’t played in a month, and they don’t want to wear him out. This was the plan all along. 2 games in a row than sit.
Well, whaddya know? Somebody in Congress is looking to go after the Union and Selig…
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3433329
very true murphydog
I’d trade Jeter for Reyes any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
If dehydration is a concern, then the upcoming cross-country trek was probably taken into consideration.
But there’s no conspiracy theory regarding Posada and Mussina. It’s obvious that Moose feels more comfortable with someone else. I mean, he attached himself to Wil Nieves for heaven’s sake. Not even worth getting worked up about.
Now if we can only get some crisp defense to back up Moose and some offense we should be good to go.
not that i give a crap that the idiots at another blog are trying to pump up thier # of hits by inventing a controversy, but why would they complain about pete posting a critical comment on thier blog (which i kinda doubt) when they come on here and do the same thing here all the time?
its also very unethical to ‘out’ a poster on thier blog when there is assumed anonymity. why would anyone want to post on thier blog now when they have demonstrated that if you post a critical comment, they may post your name in retaliation?
Hope the Moose is loose today. I worry a little more about the older guys on the super hot days. Pettitte certainly didn’t assuage that last time out.
I don’t really understand why Pete would throw the NoMaas guys a link to their draft blog here, and then on to it and knock their work. That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense on either end.
Perhaps he was going for good-natured joking and came across as elsewise over the tubes.
“i’m surprised that people who thought joba would dominate as a starter don’t have their tail between their legs. joba is clearly not making the transition the way they thought he would.â€
Yeah, because 2 starts is such a huge sample size and more than enough of a sample to judge a pitcher by.â€-raymagnetic
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… and joba is pitching as a starter as you predicted ?
I’d trade Jeter for Reyes any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
to tell you the truth, I think if people were given truth serum they might sway that way, I’m just gonna say I’m glad it’s never come to that. BTW if you love Jose Reyes start following this guy
“Posada didn’t play Friday, so it’s only been 2 straight.”
And today would be 3.
It was OPPRESSIVE yesterday. And it will be today. And Girardi said that they’d not do three games in a row right off the bat. So, this is right in line with the plan they’ve stated from the beginning.
“and joba is pitching as a starter as you predicted ?”
Um, yeah he actually is. He gave up two earned runs in 4.1 innings yesterday. I’ll take that. Anybody who thought he’d be pitching shutout after shutout is either delusional or has never watched baseball before.
I’m not expecting Joba to be Sandy Koufax this year. I do expect that he’ll have decent starts in all of his outings. Yesterday was a decent start in my opinion.
“But there’s no conspiracy theory regarding Posada and Mussina. It’s obvious that Moose feels more comfortable with someone else.”
Haven’t we debunked this over and over? No one has caught Moose more over his time as a Yankee than Posada. The numbers with Posada vs. the numbers with other catchers are similar.
thank god for the heat! at least that is what the players are attributing their hitting to lately, saying the ball carries much better in the heat! whatever freakin works!
did you all hear about the “incident” between Garza and Navarro at the Tampa game yesterday? we could only hope that leads to more trouble!
Do the Yankees keep Giambi after this season? Has anyone looked at the Free Agents for 2010…blech. I wonder if Giambi would re-negotiate for 2 more years so the team could go after someone in 2011.
I’d trade Jeter for Reyes any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
to tell you the truth, I think if people were given truth serum they might sway that way, I’m just gonna say I’m glad it’s never come to that. BTW if you love Jose Reyes start following this guy
Reyes won’t end up being half the player Jeter was/is. You can see that already whenever they mention Jeter passing Dimaggio/Gherig/Ruth/Mantle. Reyes won’t put up those types of numbers. Granted, a Mets player won’t be judged alongside Yankee greats as much as Jeter has been, but still. They talk about how phenomenal it is to be able to watch Jeter in all his glory: His demeanor, offensive ability, defensive know-how/prowess (e.g. Jeremy Giambi flip play), leadership ability (NYY Captain), etc. Don’t tell me that Reyes is equal or greater than Jeter. No chance.
P.S..
, whereas the picture posted above proves Reyes isn’t as adept at making that play.
Jeter runs out of the box every at-bat and is the best at making the Willie Mays-eqsue grab behind short
In case anyone missed it – there is a good interview with Action Jackson on the NY Times blog. The one a week ago with Melancon was good too!
ENJOY!
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....n-jackson/
i think randy is getting in all his bitching about joba not being a good starter b/c he can see that very soon joba will be doing great and people will be calling him out for being an idiot. thats okay, get your shots in now, just expect to catch a whole lotta crap for weeks to come once joba adjusts.
“Yesterday was a decent start in my opinion.”
Given his pitch limit, yeah.
It looked like he still wasn’t commanding the fastball super well. He seemed to overthrow a number of times and have it sail up or outside. And it wasn’t late in the outing, so I don’t think he’d have been tired by throwing more pitches. It just seemed like he wasn’t being consistent. We’ve seen him spot the heater plenty, so I’m not too worried about it. But it’d be good to see him show that a bit more consistently.
His curve looked GREAT though. That’s just unfair, being able to throw a curve in there for strikes at 78 and then come back with a 96 MPH heater down in the zone.
A split with the Royals is not an option. This game is meant to be the one that starts the winning of series with teams.
Good points Y’s guy. Also, “Pete’s” posts were hardly inflammatory. So yeah, you’re right, whatever.
Let’s go Moose!
Have to step out a bit but I’ll be back before game time!
Once again, if anyone wants pictures from the LoHud Scranton night, shoot me an email at rebecca@puristbleedspinstripes.com
I think a certain M.V.P. being thrown out at 3b because he was watching instead of running certainly is every bit as important as whether joba starts or not.I would expect more hustle from said M.V.P. Not mentioning names of course.jmho
Do the Yankees keep Giambi after this season? Has anyone looked at the Free Agents for 2010…blech. I wonder if Giambi would re-negotiate for 2 more years so the team could go after someone in 2011.
it depends on Giambi, he owes the organization alot, will he tax a significant pay cut..would Giambi take a 2 yr. extension at $9 million per. it’s on him. I’d say if he would he will stay. The truth is he owes the Yankees more than they owe him.
if reyes had contributed ANYTHING in the last 2 weeks of last season, when his team desparatly needed him to, they would have won thier division. he is a very talented loser to this point.
i really like and respect jeter alot but :
“Jeter runs out of the box every at-bat” can’t be posted the day after he failed to run on a dropped 3rd strike.
I don’t think the team resigned Giambi after this season. Especially if they resign Abreu and get a real firstbaseman. There’s no place for Giambi AND Matsui and Matsui is signed throught the 09 season. And I seriously doubt Giambi signs for anything less than three years… which the Yankees do not want.
Pete’s firewall won’t let me post the link but there is a good interview of Austin Jackson on the Times’ Bat Blog.
Sounds like a good guy with a lot of ability. Look out Leche!
“Its also very unethical to ‘out’ a poster on thier blog when there is assumed anonymity. why would anyone want to post on thier blog now when they have demonstrated that if you post a critical comment, they may post your name in retaliation?”
Good point. If Pete managed to be evil for a few minutes while posting there, so be it. But I still didn’t see what the real problem was. No M@$$ made it seem as though Pete was flooding them with a DOS attack or something. At worst, he was critical over someone’s draft qualifications. The whole thing is still very puzzling, however.
Randy is constantly negative. My guess is that he is about 70 years old and cranky all of the time. otherwise he is ok.
While I certainly agree that Giambi owes the Yankees more than they owe him, at contract time, that rarely comes to bear. Unfortunately, if he hits 35 home runs this year and gets 100 rbi, I doubt he will take a $13 million paycut…Also, remember, he will get $5 million on top of whatever his contract next year is for the opt-out by the Yankees.
I think a certain M.V.P. being thrown out at 3b because he was watching instead of running certainly is every bit as important as whether joba starts or not.I would expect more hustle from said M.V.P. Not mentioning names of course.jmho
I also saw the golden child SS strike out and not bother to run to 1B when the KC catcher dropped the ball, I also saw a certain Yankee leader we cheer HIP HIP ! let a pass ball BB turn into a double because he didn’t bother to hustle for the ball.
If we’re gonna call out players lets keep it real.
I doubt he will take a $13 million paycut…Also, remember, he will get $5 million on top of whatever his contract next year is for the opt-out by the Yankees.
Then he’s as good as gone.
“it depends on Giambi, he owes the organization alot, will he tax a significant pay cut..would Giambi take a 2 yr. extension at $9 million per. it’s on him. I’d say if he would he will stay. The truth is he owes the Yankees more than they owe him.”
Why does he owe the organization alot? This is his 7th year with the Yankees. If he stays healthy this year he will have given them 5 years of top 5 offensive player production and two down years.
He doesn’t owe them anything.
Actually, it would have been a strikeout had “HIP HIP” caught the ball.
raymagnetic ®™
Giambi owes himself a ring. His best shot is as a Yankee, unless he signs up with the Red Sox.
“He gave up two earned runs in 4.1 innings yesterday. I’ll take that.”
fair enough, but isn’t that league average?
if ypu’re saying that you expected league average from joba and would consider that enough for this summer, ok. i agree those would be reasonable expectations.
what i’m saying is that joba is at a historic low for experience for starting and he will likely be all over the board from really good to maybe really bad. kansas city did not have problems with him yesterday. he really was just a routine pitcher for them.
the red sox are taking a different approach, granted because of a different situation, but they are getting very good results from masterson who laid down an innings base at triple a. the way the yankees stretched joba out is going to be open to question for a long time because it’s unorthodox. the way masterson has made his starts is a much safer way as far as injuries because he has more of a base down.
Brandon
I saw those also and made mention on those days or the next, I love alex, and just expect hustle from every player. These guys are to good to allow a lack of hustle allow them to lose ever. all of them
Everyone has their own opinions on who owes who what. IMO, Giambi’s bailing on the playoffs and WS wasn’t earning his keep. Neither was his sorta-apology for something he couldn’t talk about. He had his issues (as do all players), but I don’t think he owes anyone anything… but I do think the Yanks will let him go. If not for getting Tex, then solely for the cost.
Why does he owe the organization alot? This is his 7th year with the Yankees. If he stays healthy this year he will have given them 5 years of top 5 offensive player production and two down years.
He doesn’t owe them anything.
You didn’t just say that. That couldn’t be more false.
From 2002 to 2007 he has 752 GP out of 952, but get deeper into his contract the last 4 seasons he’s played 441 games out of 648, that means he missed 207 games in that 4 yr. span, 52 games per season (no Giambi)
Post season
03′ 17 GP
04′ 0 GP
05′ 5 GP 19 AB
06′ 3 GP 8 AB
07′ 3 GP 4 AB
Durability and health has been a big factor in Giambi’s tenure in NY, he owes the Yankees alot for putting up w/ him. That is just a fact, there is a reason he hasn’t been extended, there is a reason the Yankees might dip into FA, they don’t believe Giambi is worth it. Giambi owes the Yankees for being a part time player in his last 4 years of his contract.
“I also saw the golden child SS strike out and not bother to run to 1B when the KC catcher dropped the ball, I also saw a certain Yankee leader we cheer HIP HIP ! let a pass ball BB turn into a double because he didn’t bother to hustle for the ball.
If we’re gonna call out players lets keep it real.”
I watched that play agian and I don’t think he even realised he dropped he. He looked surprised when he tagged him.
has AROD been watching Manny hit homeruns too much lately or what? what is that when he’s jogging to first watching his ball sail? at least you admit you were wrong and stop at 2nd!
Brandon
I saw those also and made mention on those days or the next, I love alex, and just expect hustle from every player. These guys are to good to allow a lack of hustle allow them to lose ever. all of them
I love them too but I also understand I can’t expect guys in thier 30′s to bust it out all the time. If you remember busting it out the box is what KO’d Jetes and Alex from the lineup. One had a strained quad, the other one nearly tore it.
Giambi owes the Yankees for being a part time player in his last 4 years of his contract
No he doesn’t. There’s not any reason to think Giambi is making less than 100% effort to be out on the field. That’s what a contract is. If Giambi had spent the last 7 years hitting like BALCO Barry Bonds, no one would be saying the Yankees owed him for what he did. It’s a contract.
Yankees took a chance in signing him, and got burned a bit. It happens. He owes them nothing past this season.
YanksAngel,
I feel the same way. Jeter didn’t even realize the ball was dropped.
I also love how even if he had known the ball was dropped, that one play would have cemented Jeter as a lazy ballplayer. Jeter is a gamer. You can’t get any better than that.
I watched that play agian and I don’t think he even realised he dropped he. He looked surprised when he tagged him.
He didn’t bother to run even when he glanced and saw the ball on the ground.
Owe or not owe doesnt really matter. I guess the issue is, if they don’t sign Texiera this offseason, there is nothing else out there for 2 years. And even if Giambi took a paycut, it would have to be a significant enough one to cover that $5 million. Also, for him to re-negotiate, they would have to give him at least 3 years at $12-15 million per
“Randy is constantly negative. My guess is that he is about 70 years old and cranky all of the time”
vrsce-
well that just made me laugh.
i have a hunch what would make me really laugh is getting on a baseball field with you.
… but if that ever happens don’t dig in.
there is a difference between an all-out sprint and just hustling out a double. it was the trotting and watching the ball that cost him a triple. had he just run instead of trotting, he would have made it easy. i can understand guys who play every day not running at full speed all the time, but this is different. injuries played no part in either play.
that being said, i dont want to make a huge case out of it if i dont see it again anytime soon. both guys usually hustle and play very hard everyday. but as the leaders of the team, that is what is expected. lets hope they go back to thier usual habits of running and not admiring or standing.
Yankees took a chance in signing him, and got burned a bit. It happens. He owes them nothing past this season.
Are you kidding me ? should I count the ways
1. He was signed to be an every day player
2. He admitted under Torre he wasn’t motivated
3. He stopped being that hitter from Oakland after 02′
4. He missed 207 games in a 4 yr. span, that’s 52 games per season (w/no Giambi) in the lineup
5. The steroid scandal
6. Missing games in the playoffs
7. 03′ partied too much in Miami during the playoffs (per Micheal Kay)
In what way doesn’t he owe them ?
Randy,
If Joba pitches 150 league average innings this year I will be very happy.
Greg Maddux arguably the best pitcher of the past 25 years was way below league average in his first 2 years as a starter as an example.
As I said anyone who thinks Joba will be Sandy Koufax this year hasn’t been watching baseball long enough.
Masterson has had 3 starts. Clay Buccholz looked like Cy Young in his first few starts and has pitched like crap in his past few starts.
You base all of your arguments on tiny sample sizes. Masterson also threw more innings in the minors because he never put up the stellar numbers Joba put up in the minors. What sense would it make for Joba to gain innings toying with AAA hitters when he could learn how to pitch effectively in the majors?
I thought it was disgraceful the way two of our veterans dogged it yesterday.
Posada not hustling after that passed ball was inexcusable & resulted in the extra base. Runner turned around & looked at Posada not hustling & then took off.
A-Rod being MANNY just as weak. He did not even start running till almost at second, when it was way too late.
These are leaders teaching the young’uns how its done?
Did any reporters ask Girardi about it?
Did Girardi address it with the two players?
I saw A-Rod in the dugout all happy, smiling & joking afterward that he finally got a hit with RISP. He should have been embarrased & furious with himself.
disagree with anybody ‘owing’ anybody anything. giambi is going to get market rate for his production on his contract for next year, no matter who signs him. and the $5M buyout has no bearing on his next contract either. the buyout is just that, an option for the yankees to opt out of paying him $20M for next year.
giambi wont give them a discount b/c of the $5M just as he wont ask for more because they bought out his $20M. whatever was paid on the contract that ends at the conclusion of the current contract will have no bearing on his next contract.
The Yankees signed a guy for age 32-37. If they expected him to be JASON GIAMBI, MVP while playing 150 games a season for all those seasons, they were living in pure fantasyland.
This is typically a well-understood concept, but as players age, both their health and performance declines. That happened with Giambi, just like it happens to any other player.
As for the steroid stuff, the Yankees knew what they were getting into when they signed him, removing the word “steroids” from his contract and all that.
And finally, it’s a CONTRACT. Both parties sign in, knowing the risks. That’s the way these things work. Once this contract is finished neither Giambi nor the Yankees owe each other anything.
Did Girardi address it with the two players?
amazing how you didn’t add Derek Jeter not hustling to 1B on a strike out in the dirt that he glanced and watch not hit Olivo’s glove. but I can see why people won’t keep it real.
“You didn’t just say that. That couldn’t be more false.
From 2002 to 2007 he has 752 GP out of 952, but get deeper into his contract the last 4 seasons he’s played 441 games out of 648, that means he missed 207 games in that 4 yr. span, 52 games per season (no Giambi)”
Actually I did just say that. Giambi hasn’t missed 52 games per season. Just because it averages out to 52 games per season doesn’t mean that every year he only played in 110 games.
In 04 and 07 he missed a combined 160 games. That distorts the average quite a bit don’t you think?
” Durability and health has been a big factor in Giambi’s tenure in NY, he owes the Yankees alot for putting up w/ him. That is just a fact, there is a reason he hasn’t been extended, there is a reason the Yankees might dip into FA, they don’t believe Giambi is worth it. Giambi owes the Yankees for being a part time player in his last 4 years of his contract.”
Why would the Yankees have extended him after he missed 80 games last year? Would that have made any sense? He’s had 2 out of seven season where he’s been injured. The years when he’s played he’s been as productive as anyone in the league. That’s undeniable.
“Once this contract is finished neither Giambi nor the Yankees owe each other anything.”
completely agree.
and if Giambi manages to put together a relatively consistent campaign from now thru the end of the regular season, he’ll have set himself up with an ideal opportunity to cash in on one last contract before he retires… that doesnt bode well for hoping he leaves cash on the table to re-sign a team-friendly deal to stay in NY.
Once this contract is finished neither Giambi nor the Yankees owe each other anything.
For what they paid they didn’t get a durable player, Although what you said is true they signed him to a longterm contract when he was 31 yrs. old, and maybe that’s another reason why they wouldn’t sign Tex to a longterm.
“You base all of your arguments on tiny sample sizes.”
vrse would say that’s all my tiny brain can handle, but actually i base my arguments on experience catching mlb pitchers back in the day. if being rick petersen’s, ross grimsley’s, and neil allen’s roomate taught me anything, it was that learning to pitch takes time.
if you think experience doesn’t matter, i can’t argue with you, but if anything, i take the long view with pitchers.
Every player will show some “laziness” at times. Baseball isn’t football and nobody can or should “bust it” 24/7 for six months. A-Rod jogged it out because he knew it was an easy double or HR… he never thought 3B until after the Royals messed with the ball. His mistake was more deciding to go for it with the play right in front of him.
As for Giambi… I’m beginning to think he or Abreu will be back but at dramatcially reduced $$$. There will be a more limited market for Giambi who turns 38 in January than Abreu (35 next April) but neither will get anywhere near the $$$ they are getting this year.
I wonder if Abreu to 1B makes sense… the fences are less likely to attack him there. One of those guys must be replaced by an authoritative RH bat.. or a switch hitter.
anybody here think they should give rasner a few extra million above market value on his next contract because he is performing above expectaions on this contract?
“Did Girardi address it with the two players?”
If he did we certainly won’t know about it. It would be done in the privacy of the clubhouse.
Usually Alex and Derek do hustle on every play. It was unusual to see that yesterday.
About Giambi, he has been a dissapointment because everyone expected him to hit .300, 40 HR, 120 RBI for seven seasons. He is being paid such a large amount of money to hit like that as well. Obviously those expectations were absurd but that doesn’t change the fact that hes being paid like he should be putting up those numbers. Giambi hasn’t lived up to such lofty expectations but as someone already mentioned hes been very good. 5 of 7 seasons as one of the top offensive players in the league is very good in my book. The production he gives isn’t worth the money he is paid but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t been good for this team. I don’t want the Yankees to re-sign Giambi and I doubt he would give them any kind of discount.
About Chamberlain, he was better yesterday and he pitched about as good as most rational Yankee fans expected. Put it in perspective, in 96 degree heat with a 75 pitch count he got through 4.1 innings with only 2 earned runs. If he had no pitch count that probably would have been 6-7 innings and 2 ER. Not bad for a guy’s second major league start. Joba will be good this season but he won’t be an ace right away. I think all intelligent Yankee fans realize this.
“i have a hunch what would make me really laugh is getting on a baseball field with you.
… but if that ever happens don’t dig in.”
You know what makes me laugh? Reading junk from internet toughguys.
For what they paid they didn’t get a durable player
If he stays healthy–big IF, I’m happy to grant you–he will have played in 80% games over the life of his contract. Over 7 years at the ages Giambi was, that’s more plenty durable.
Why would the Yankees have extended him after he missed 80 games last year? Would that have made any sense? He’s had 2 out of seven season where he’s been injured. The years when he’s played he’s been as productive as anyone in the league. That’s undeniable.
That’s besides the point in the last 4 years 3 out those 4 yrs. have been injury ridden seasons and he’s missed significant time in the lineup. All in all he’s gone after this season if he doesn’t take a significant pay cut. Either that or they’ll probably pick up his option for 1 more year and then let him go.
“if you think experience doesn’t matter, i can’t argue with you, but if anything, i take the long view with pitchers.
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I never said experience doesn’t matter. I said he could gain his experience pitching to major league hitters.
In my opinion pitching to minor league hitters isn’t going to help Joba. If he shows he’s not capable of being a starter then he can go back to the bullpen. Either way I believe he’s a major league capable pitcher and he should be in the majors.
Strahan
I’m gonna take a wild guess and say that there is no danger of Brandon ever being the President of Jeter’s fan club,
I’ve seen him run many times when it was dropped. I realy don’t think he saw him drop it. Tha last thing anyone can say about Jeter is he is lazy.
i have no problem with randy’s opinion that joba should have stayed in the bullpen, i disagree but have no problem with it.
but when he starts arguing that joba’s current stats as a starter bear out his opinion, that’s when i have to laugh.
don let your well thought out opinion be clouded with bad argument, randy. zinging people on here with the i-told-you-so’s after 2 starts is rediculous and short sighted. there is a much better argument for keeping joba in the bullpen than can be made by pointing out bad aspects of his 2 starts. stick to those arguments and you will get more respect for your opinion.
*the not tha
“the red sox are taking a different approach, granted because of a different situation, but they are getting very good results from masterson who laid down an innings base at triple a.”
Masterson’s six IP at AAA constitute an “innings base”?
Strahan retired?
“That’s besides the point in the last 4 years 3 out those 4 yrs. have been injury ridden seasons and he’s missed significant time in the lineup. All in all he’s gone after this season if he doesn’t take a significant pay cut. Either that or they’ll probably pick up his option for 1 more year and then let him go.”
Brandon,
Giambi played 139 games in 05 and 06. So I don’t know where you’re getting your facts from about him missing significant amounts of time in 3 of the last four years.
“there is a much better argument for keeping joba in the bullpen than can be made by pointing out bad aspects of his 2 starts.”
What’s that? If he was coming out of the pen, he’d be commanding his fastball better? He was still throwing gas late in his outing. He didn’t tire until he topped 70 pitches or so. Not surprising, since he was being stretched out and that’s kinda what you expect on those last pitches.
Regarding the running yesterday, some could be attributed to not seeing the ball. Some due to the extreme heat. Given how they both normally play, they deserve to be cut some slack. Its not like they play like a Manny Ramirez all the time.
They also won the game yesterday, which forgives a number of sins.
Brandon, did Strahan finally decide?
as i said, i disagree and i think joba should be in the rotation. but to dismiss any chance that it wont work out the way it was planned is not wise.
that being said, im not going to make randy’s point for him as i disagree with it.
re: strahan, hard to know whether his ‘retirement’ is real or just a ploy to skip training camp. too bad he has turned himself into one of those guys you just cant believe anything he says. i respect the hell out of michael strahan for his stellar play over so many years and im really happy he got his ring. but i also wont shed any tears IF he is really going to retire, he act wore very thin the last few years.
Brandon,
Giambi played 139 games in 05 and 06. So I don’t know where you’re getting your facts from about him missing significant amounts of time in 3 of the last four years.
Jason Giambi- 04: 80/162, 05: 139/162, 06: 139/162, 07: 83/162
“What’s that? If he was coming out of the pen, he’d be commanding his fastball better? He was still throwing gas late in his outing.”
Well, this reads kind of like a nonsequitor. I meant to imply that pitching from the pen would not improve his FB command, which I perceive to be his main problem thus far. I also meant to respond to the implied argument that he’d not maintain his velocity deep into his starting outings…he was still throwing plenty hard and locating OK as he neared his pitch count. It was really just that last AB where he was noticeably done. And that’s to be expected.
“04: 80/162, 05: 139/162, 06: 139/162, 07: 83/162″
Right…that’s 2.
Brandon, did Strahan finally decide?
Strahan to retire
The whole NoM@ss thing is very strange. Can we all just get along?
I’m so sad that Strahan decided to retire. Sad day for Giants fans.
Oh Well a Yankees win would cheer me up! Get em Moose!
“Jason Giambi- 04: 80/162, 05: 139/162, 06: 139/162, 07: 83/162″
You do realize that it’s 2 out of 4 years where he missed significant playing time and not 3 out of 4 no?
Right…that’s 2.
whozat he did miss the 04′ playoffs too right ?
randy l, I’m not sure what your point is. Joba has had two starts, both with limited pitch counts. Even given those limitations, we have seen worse starts than Joba gave us from CM Wang, Andy Pettitte, Mike Mussina, Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, and Kei Igawa. A couple of those guys are crafty veterans.
People who wanted Joba to start are supposed to be sheepish about something? Huh?
Loaded with albatross like contracts, I doubt the Yankees sign aging players with their best years behind them to long term contracts. IMO, if they let Bernie Williams go unceremoniously, Giambi will walk and takes the $5 mil buyout with him. Abreu will probably leave as well given that with the rise of Ajax, I doubt the Yankees offer anything longer than a 2 year deal, and I bet another team offers a longer or richer deal. I’m not thrilled with the Abreu to first idea as we’ve already tried that with Damon, Posada and Giambi, and they all suck. I long for the days when our first basemen were caliber players (ie, Mattingly) and not a place to throw an extra DH. If they get Tex, then the Yanks have Giambi and Matsui for one position – DH. It make sense to just let Giambi go. Abreu’s role I think depends on Ajax’s callup in Sept. I think he’s doing well enough to get a looksee.
“I never said experience doesn’t matter. I said he could gain his experience pitching to major league hitters.”
your point about joba is valid as long as too much isn’t expected. and girardi yesterday didn’t try to get too much out of joba .girardi made a really good call taking out joba right when he did.
you can take this for what it’s worth, but the thing that most worries me most is that joba’s body won’t handle the sudden rise in the competition level. i worry about 6 weeks, down the road, and beyond over the next few years.
the adrenaline level a pitcher puts out on a sunday afternoon at yankee stadium is very different than the level he’d be putting out at scranton.
on another note , i totally believe that someone really smart who understands statistical analysis can get a very good idea of the game. part of the beauty of baseball is that it can be broken down mathamatically and statistically.
the problem is that there are not a lot of stats describing a similar historical situation with joba.
“But there’s no conspiracy theory regarding Posada and Mussina. It’s obvious that Moose feels more comfortable with someone else.â€
There is nothing to this. Read the John Feinstein book where he discussed when Wil Nieves caught moose for a period of time. Moose and Jorge are fine.
glad to see whozat back to set people straight Its a tough, and tiring, job but someone’s gotta do it.
Brandon–thanks for the Strahan link, my brother would be interested.
Offer Giambi 1yr/6M. He isn’t going to get more elsewhere. We’ve seen this year that building a bench isn’t always easy and Jason can still hit (if he can stay healthy). No way you offer 2 yrs – nobody else will.
My jury is still out on Teixeira. A gut feeling tells me he’s not a NY kind of guy and will opt for Baltimore or re-sign with Atlanta.
Giambi will be gone after this year and the team can go with other options in order to concentrate on other needs.
A good fielding ist baseman hitting .275-.285 is acceptable.
The days of having marquee players at every position doesn’t cut it much anymore. Steady performers do.
Brandon–thanks for the Strahan link, my brother would be interested.
no problem Rebecca, this is worse than the death of Balbaro
“There is nothing to this. Read the John Feinstein book where he discussed when Wil Nieves caught moose for a period of time. Moose and Jorge are fine.”
I know Moose is a straightforward and honest guy as far as i can tell, but if you think that he is going to air out Posada in a book published before his last year on the team, i think that is a little much.
Moose is a really strong personality and so is Posada, it seems pretty clear they just don’t mesh well on the field. It only really matters in the playoffs when you aren’t going to give jorge the day off.
i wonder what the real feel temp going to be like inside the stadium in today’s game?
Meanwhile, CC Sabathia is 3-8 and one pork chop away from a heart attack. But I still see daily posters here calling for Moose’s retirement and the signing of CC the “true ace” at $150 mill. Unbelievable.
“It looked like he still wasn’t commanding the fastball super well. He seemed to overthrow a number of times and have it sail up or outside.”
I guess that’s expected now that he’s getting used to mixing more pitches into his repertoire. Much easier to spot a fastball when you are a 2-pitch pitcher in the 8th.
He’ll adjust just fine.
“what i’m saying is that joba is at a historic low for experience for starting ”
How about Tim Lincecum? He’s turning out ok.
Very, very few people who Joba in the rotation thought he was going to be “dominant” from the get go.
The vast majority of posters here said the same thing over and over: Joba is going to struggle, his ERA is going to go up and he’s going to need time to transition to the rotation. He’s going to have to work on his 3rd and 4th pitches for when he goes through the order the 2nd and 3rd times.
Most people said that this year they’d be happy with league average to slightly above league average performance from Joba as a starter this year. As the 5th starter if Joba could give them league average innings the Yanks would be way ahead of the curve. Very, very few teams have a league average starter as a #5 guy.
Trying to make dramatic conclusions based on 6 innings of work Joba’s had as a “starter” makes for easy controversy.
Saying things like “Joba isn’t the same as a starter…” is just nonsense at this point. He’s still building up the arm strength needed to be a starter again. That’s a process and until he strengthens his arm we can’t draw many conclusions. (which will take some time – just getting to 100 pitches won’t mean he’s back at full strenght)
We’ve seen this in the media quite a bit – easy way to fill up a column and sell some papers. Joba’s not as good as a starter, the sky is falling, etc. etc. Its just part of the instant, snap judgment pundit filled culture we live in.
The main thing one hopes to see this year from Joba is that he keeps the team in games and he improves over the course of the year. He’s got more than enough stuff to do that.
Were there some people who expected Joba to be Josh Beckett from day one as a starter. I suppose. But I recall very, very, very few at least on this board. The vast majority of people had much more tempered, realistic expectations for this year.
Randy,
I just saw your baseball challenge/threat. Kind of pathetic.
There are natural(non prescription) anti depressants for geezers. Try some.
You may even come to support the Joba move.
If Joba can deliver league average/3rd slot performance for the rest of the year, I’ll gladly take it (besides, Felix Hernandez in his first full year was league average, anyway). I see this year as the time to get the innings in and pick up valuable MLB starting experience, simple as that (gotta get it out of the way sooner or later).
Re: Pedro example
Well, it’ll have to be a 3-4 year plan, right? Pedro managed to pitch 107 innings over 65 games in 1993 (2 starts in them; a 3 IP start and a 5 IP start). Then he pitched 144.7 IP the year after, and then he hit full season with 194.7 IP in 1995.
Although, with the Pedro example specifically, Lasorda purportedly didn’t believe Pedro had the frame to be a starter.
But anyway, a more relevant concern would be that relievers don’t hit 100 IP in a season now, hence the possible 4 year part. Unless you do some starting and relieving mix and match like with Joba to go over 100 IP in the first year.
“Were there some people who expected Joba to be Josh Beckett from day one as a starter. I suppose. But I recall very, very, very few at least on this board. The vast majority of people had much more tempered, realistic expectations for this year.”
CB –
But it is so much easier to make a point when you completely overdramatize the other guy’s argument. How many DFA Johnny Damon and Giambi (and Farnsy and Cano) people can really be taken seriously.
If people pay any attention at all they would see that there are only a handful of DFAs a week – and the guys getting DFA’d are borderline scrubs (sorry Morgan).
I guess it is the fun of being a fan though to overreact wildly.
Boston Dave, I can see the Blue Jays, Tigers (they seem like vets these days), Angels, Oakland or Seattle as possibel callers to Giambi’s agent.
so we’re facing a rookie pitcher with a 5+ era…8 innings of 2 hit shut out ball is what I expect.
“there is a much better argument for keeping joba in the bullpen than can be made by pointing out bad aspects of his 2 starts.â€
There is a simple answer to this. The Yanks have a plethora of pitching in the minors. Most project to be in the bullpen. You can’t keep Joba, a pitcher with 4 plus pitches, in the bullpen when you have other candidates in the minors who, down the road, WONT be able to start.
Whether or not you want to point out bad aspects in his two starts (ignoring that he is in an adjustment period) he belongs in the rotation. You just can’t go plugging people where they dominate the most, there are too many factors (ESPECIALLY WHEN CASHMAN HAS COMMITTED TO PLUGGING HOLES FROM WITHIN). What happens 2 years down the road when the Yankees want to work their minor leaguers into the majors? Experiment putting unproven relievers in the rotation? Why would you do that when Joba projects to be a better starter?
We would end up having to trade relievers because with Joba in the pen there would be no need for them. And they would get very little MLB experience so there would be no way to build up their value.
Moving Joba to the rotation just makes sense. He had a good outing his last time out.
CB is spot on.
Brandon,
I have to disagree with your bashing on Jeter. He didnt know that the ball wasnt caught. He also didnt go in the dugout and do a Damon after that play. I cant immagine Jeter going in the dugout and being all smiles after half a$$ing it on the field. Arod did a manny and thought it was funny after. With the way our team has been blowing leads and fighting to win every game. I just dont see what was so funny about jogging to third. As much as you hate Jeter. You have to admit he will never have a game where he’s doing the “manny being manny” act.
CB – spot on.
Let’s put it this way – I’m as pro-Joba-to-the-rotation as can be, and in my main fantasy baseball league, the guy with Joba was shopping him (mainly to me and the other Yankees’ fan
). I passed.
I really am not expecting ‘fantasy stud’ numbers this year (except for Ks and possibly Ws if the Yankees’ offense carries him). His ERA and WHIP will be average, at best.
“People who wanted Joba to start are supposed to be sheepish about something? Huh?”
you got it buster!
just kidding. i’m practicing my sense of humor.
the argument that many put out was that joba was going to be as good as a starter as he is an 8th inning guy.
that would mean maybe a 3.25 to a 3.5 era as a starter.
it’s not looking that way. my eyes see a raw kid with incredible stuff.
that works for the 8th, but it doesn’t necessarily translate to starting for a while.
the starter proponents on the blog argument was never joba as a 4.5 era starter vs a 2.00 8th inning guy.
the argument was the 3.25-3.5 starter vs. the 2.00 8th inning guy.
there are a lot of people who would rather have joba the beast in the 8th inning than joba the league average as a starter.
hughes, kennedy , and now joba haven’t taken to starting quite as expected by those who are cashman supporters.
i’m just saying that plan needs some tweaking, and therefore a little humility is in order.
Funny I didn’t realize it at the time, but Girardi pointed out that 8/9 innings yesterday were pitched by rookies.
“His ERA and WHIP will be average, at best.”
Jesus, people say things like this as if it is a sure thing. Joba throws 100mph, usually spots his pitches, and has the nastiest secondary pitch I have seen in a LONG time.
I certainly don’t EXPECT him to be “average, at best”
hughes, kennedy , and now joba haven’t taken to starting quite as expected by those who are cashman supporters.
I’m a Cashman supporter and Joba has taken to starting EXACTLY as I expected. This sentiment has been echoed several times by other posters in this thread alone.
Apparently I forgot that 1994 was shortened by a strike
…Nevertheless! In today’s baseball world, we’re less haphazard with raising innings on young pitchers’ arms!
1. I don’t think I’d ever say or write this, but it might be a good deal for the Yankees to pick-up Giambi’s option for 2009 (which is for $17MM).
2. Sabathia actually pitched well in May, racking up 44.3 innings with an ERA of 2.44. in 6 starts.
4 of those starts were QS.
His record is not entirely indicative of how well he pitched.
His first June start was lackluster.
haven’t been around since I moved. (not like you guys care).
This team is playing the way they are expected to play. With that said they are playing great!
Man have the Yankee’s been fun to watch again!!
I really hope we can get B. Gardner up soon, he by no means is a savior, but just so friggin fast and fun to watch!!
I wonder what his nickname is going to be.. everyone that is as fast as he is gets one..
As much as you hate Jeter. You have to admit he will never have a game where he’s doing the “manny being manny†act.
when the hell did I say I hate Jeter ? It’s just the opposite I don’t sugar coat it w/ any player on the roster, any…Jetes yesterday was given so many excuses he struck out saw the ball didn’t to the glove after Olivo got up and tried to tag him. I don’t sugar coat it w/ anybody I talked about how Alex’s mistake was after the car jumper bobbled the ball he went after 3B, I also said how I understand how Jetes and Alex might not bust it down the line since they are coming back from injuries.
I also said how lazy Posada was on that passed ball. The only thing that gets people here is that I’m not an a..kisser I call it like I see it for any player. I’m sorry but Jetes not running to 1B was more a product of him not attempting to run instead of him not knowing Olivo dropped the ball, Posada was a product of lack of awareness, same as Alex.
” the argument that many put out was that joba was going to be as good as a starter as he is an 8th inning guy.
that would mean maybe a 3.25 to a 3.5 era as a starter. ”
To date this year in the AL there are only 12 starting pitchers who have an ERA of less than 3.5. That’s it.
Last year in the AL there were only 9 pitchers with an ERA of less than 3.5.
Anyone expecting Joba to have an ERA of less than 3.5 would be expecting him to be a top 10 pitcher immediately.
Very, very, very few people expected Joba to instantaneously be a top 10 pitcher.
What happens to Giambi in the Off-season? If Giambi is lights-out this year(being his walk year it is entirely possible) will the Yanks sign him to a lon term deal(4 years in this case). Or will they let him go and not offer arbitration.
“I really hope we can get B. Gardner up soon, he by no means is a savior, but just so friggin fast and fun to watch!!”
I’m with ya, Fleas (you part-time optimist, you). Melky has not really improved much with the bat, and his defense is good, but he’s not exactly 1997 Griffey in center. I don’t want Gardner sitting around as much as Bubba Crosby did (which was for good reason), but if they can get him some regular at bats in the majors and take advantage of his speed, I’m all for it.
On the Jeter dropped 3rd strike, wasn’t there a man on first? He had no where to run.
I thought Posada’s play was worse. He barely ran after that ball.
A-Rod thought his was gone so I have no complaints there.
randy @ 12:38
“the argument that many put out was that joba was going to be as good as a starter as he is an 8th inning guy.”
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Could you find a single person who said that? I know I didn’t. I know CB didn’t. I know SJ44 didn’t.
A starter with an under 2.00 ERA? If someone said that, I’ll call them an idiot. I predicted slightly above league average for 2008, with a solid #3 2009, with potential for ace-itude starting in 2007. Possible Lincecum style ace-itude starting next year.
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Russell NY @ 12:40
“Jesus, people say things like this as if it is a sure thing. Joba throws 100mph, usually spots his pitches, and has the nastiest secondary pitch I have seen in a LONG time.
I certainly don’t EXPECT him to be “average, at bestâ€
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I’m speaking about 2008, not the future. He’s still raw. He’s also pitching like a reliever (way too many pitches, especially breaking pitches, going for the K instead of the groundout). I’d put his 2008 ceiling at a 3.75 ERA, with a 4.25ish more likely.
LOL: “potential for ace-itude starting in 2007″ = “potential for ace-itude starting in 2010″
People need to have patience with Joba.
Guess what..He is gonna have his ups and downs. He’s gonna give up runs and make a mistake here or there. He’s human..
But I do think this will be for the best.
“What happens to Giambi in the Off-season?”
NYY, not a chance in the fiery furnace that they sign Giambi to a long term deal: let’s see if he can finish this season first before anointing him as a long term answer. My guess is that they buy him out for the 5 mil and sign him to a 1-2 year deal at 6-8 mil per.
Randi,
I’m all about objectivity, but I am not clear on what your point is exactly. Your comment:
“the argument that many put out was that joba was going to be as good as a starter as he is an 8th inning guy.”
I guess what I am curious about is what was YOUR expectation of Joba going into the rotation? Were you expecting 7+ innings 1-2 ER 10K immediately? Were you aware that he was going to be capped on inning? Not trying to trash you, just confused what your point/expeactations were for Joba in his first few starts…
I personally think the sample size is WAY too small to pass any judgement yet on Joba. He needs experience in this role at the MLB level. I also think he will be just fine…in time (5-6 more starts?).
THERE A RUMOR THAT THE MARINERS ARE SHOPPIN ERICK BEDARD DO YA THINK THE YANKEES WOULD TRADE UP FOR HIM
The biggest piece of evidence we needed regarding whether Joba can succeed as a starter was answered yesterday. He still had his velocity at 70 pitches – he was still touching 97. He wasn’t on the verge of losing it, either. When he gets fully stretched out and more efficient with his pitches, he’ll be dialing it up in the 6th, 7th innings, like this team needs.
My prediction for this year if he’s healthy: 7-4 3.82.
1. Barring a collapse Big G’s option will be picked up for one more year a la Bobby a this year.
2.I Know its early but to the big questions in who will or wont be back are Pettitte, Moose and Abreu
3.To CC or not to CC that is the question
4 Farnsworth/Hawkins/Pavano Buh-Buy
Now why in the world would the M’s be shopping Eric when they gave up so much talent to get him.
Joba is going to be fine, he needs to adjust his routine is all. People don’t forget they usually have you ‘muscle-up’ arm strength in the minors, but since hughes/ipk have done absolutely nothing for us, we have had to let Joba get broken in, in the majors.
I am 100% optimistic when it comes to Joba, he may not be what is expected of him, because c’mon as Yankee fans we do expect a lot.. but I have no doubt he will be a good to great pitcher.
“I’d put his 2008 ceiling at a 3.75 ERA, with a 4.25ish more likely.”
To date, in the AL only 16 pitchers have an ERA of less than 3.75 and only 25 pitchers have an ERA of 4.25 or less.
Last year in the AL only 17 pitchers had an ERA of 3.75 or less and only 25 pitchers had an ERA of 4.25 or less.
Expecting Joba to pitch to an ERA of 4.25 or less this year is expecting him to be one of the 25 best pitchers in the AL.
That would be excellent results for a pitcher who is raw, pitching like a reliever, and had a “historically” small number of minor league innings.
yankeefan91,
I doubt the Mariners would trade away Erik Bedard not even half-way through the first season they’ve had him. But no, the Yankees won’t trade for him.
“THERE A RUMOR THAT THE MARINERS ARE SHOPPIN ERICK BEDARD DO YA THINK THE YANKEES WOULD TRADE UP FOR HIM”
Highly unlikely.
The Mariners have him through 2009 IIRC (is that true?).
They also gave up a -lot- for him. Granted, that’s a sunk cost, but the griping from fans if they dealt him for less than they gave up is not.
They’ll ask for a bounty IF they trade him. That bounty would likely include players the Yankees weren’t willing to deal for Santana.
Prognosis poor
what is it w/ people and the caps lock ?
“I really hope we can get B. Gardner up soon, he by no means is a savior, but just so friggin fast and fun to watch!!
I wonder what his nickname is going to be.. everyone that is as fast as he is gets one..”
How about “The Gardener.” Because he eats up landscape.
“yankeefan91 June 9th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
THERE A RUMOR THAT THE MARINERS ARE SHOPPIN ERICK BEDARD DO YA THINK THE YANKEES WOULD TRADE UP FOR HIM”
why are you screaming this at us?
I don’t see Pettitte coming back unless he can straighten himself out. Moose, I’m not sure. Giambi, yes.
I can’t believe I am stuck listening to another game on the radio.
BTW The arguement on Joba Chamberlain hasn’t been “if” it’s more like “when” w/ people in baseball, by people in baseball I mean scouts, pitching cordinators and player execs. Think about the this.. yesterday afternoon we saw Joba end the 1st inning w/ a 99 MPH strikeout, when was …no..can you imagine what that does to a team’s mindset, Alex didn’t see a GO his way till the 5th inning, the other team was rushing thier swing to get around on his fastball, then he dropped that curveball on them.
Take the RISP situation you see how that felt like the 8th or 9th inning to the Royals players, they were shortening thier swings in the 2nd inning because they read the radar gun in the 1st. It’s gonna be a joy to watch Joba continue to mature into his SP role, his arm in a playoff series as a GM.1 or GM.2 starter would be a treat that NY hasn’t seen since the likes of Gooden in 86′.
Now back to the game…
““I’d put his 2008 ceiling at a 3.75 ERA, with a 4.25ish more likely.â€
To date, in the AL only 16 pitchers have an ERA of less than 3.75 and only 25 pitchers have an ERA of 4.25 or less.
Last year in the AL only 17 pitchers had an ERA of 3.75 or less and only 25 pitchers had an ERA of 4.25 or less.
Expecting Joba to pitch to an ERA of 4.25 or less this year is expecting him to be one of the 25 best pitchers in the AL.
That would be excellent results for a pitcher who is raw, pitching like a reliever, and had a “historically†small number of minor league innings.”
Eh, last year’s numbers were 16/31.
Miguel Batista had the 32 lowest SP ERA at 4.29.
I think 2008 Joba can beat 2007 Batista.
” Could you find a single person who said that? I know I didn’t. I know … didn’t. I know SJ44 didn’t.”
i don’t think sj44 gets too carried away with hype, but then again he’s seen a lot more baseball than most, including me.
i would say that joba first start and second were very different than what was projected.
if everyone on the joba starting band wagon is now saying they meant league average for joba, ok.
but if that’s the new argument, you have to understand that those who say he should be a league best 8th inning guy rather than a league average starter have a credible argument.
“BTW The arguement on Joba Chamberlain hasn’t been “if†it’s more like “when†w/ people in baseball, by people in baseball I mean scouts, pitching cordinators and player execs. Think about the this.. yesterday afternoon we saw Joba end the 1st inning w/ a 99 MPH strikeout, when was …no..can you imagine what that does to a team’s mindset, Alex didn’t see a GO his way till the 5th inning, the other team was rushing thier swing to get around on his fastball, then he dropped that curveball on them.
Take the RISP situation you see how that felt like the 8th or 9th inning to the Royals players, they were shortening thier swings in the 2nd inning because they read the radar gun in the 1st. It’s gonna be a joy to watch Joba continue to mature into his SP role, his arm in a playoff series as a GM.1 or GM.2 starter would be a treat that NY hasn’t seen since the likes of Gooden in 86′.
Now back to the game…”
Good point. Ideally, first time through the lineup, Joba just throws 96-99 mph fastballs (locating, inside and up, inside and down, away and down, away and up) for -strikes-, establishing it with a changeup here and there to keep hitters honest.
Second time through the lineup, 1st pitch fastball, 2nd pitch something (sometimes fastball, sometimes changeup), 3rd pitch curveball, etc.
I think he goes for the reliever fastball+slider strikeout a little too much still. If he can kick that, he’s going to be amazing, even this year.
Nice easy 1st inning for Moose.
This weekend i heard on the radio a Los Angeles media guy say that Kershaw is much better than Joba. He also goes on to say that if Joba was in any other team he would be looked at as an average pitcher. The New York media has over hyped him. I find it hard to believe that he is over hyped after what he did last year.So my question to you is Kershaw better than Joba?
Yah Moose! Nice pitch! The slowing his pitches down has really worked…
“but if that’s the new argument, you have to understand that those who say he should be a league best 8th inning guy rather than a league average starter have a credible argument.”
A credible argument, but an extremely short-sighted one.
I think he’ll be a top 10 pitcher by 2010, and stay as such as long as he’s healthy.
If he stays a reliever all year, you postpone that development 1-2 years.
I don’t see how you can do that unless you’re a very shortsighted ‘this year only’ thinker.
4.91 era. wow he is so much better than Joba. I got one word for you JEALOUS!
Thank you V – I don’t have the patience to look up numbers but I was basically going to say what you said… without proof
Get to work bats
“This weekend i heard on the radio a Los Angeles media guy say that Kershaw is much better than Joba. He also goes on to say that if Joba was in any other team he would be looked at as an average pitcher. The New York media has over hyped him. I find it hard to believe that he is over hyped after what he did last year.So my question to you is Kershaw better than Joba?”
We’ll see. Kershaw’s a lefty. Fastball not as fast. Better curveball. I think they both project to be top #1s, with #2s all but guaranteed.
Damon can still run
“Miguel Batista had the 32 lowest SP ERA at 4.29.”
Batista had the 26th highest AL ERA amongst starters last year at 4.29. There were only 25 pitchers in the AL with an ERA of 4.25 or lower.
Either way, its somewhat ironic to say Joba is going to fail to meet expectations and to then expect him to be one of the 25 best pitchers in the AL.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....;qual=true
This weekend i heard on the radio a Los Angeles media guy say that Kershaw is much better than Joba. He also goes on to say that if Joba was in any other team he would be looked at as an average pitcher.
No one said LA media was smart. Wow I mean Kershaw is 2 yrs. younger but to put him over Joba ? and Joba being average ? maybe he was intoxicated while making that opinion a statement.
Moose Inning 1: Flyout, Ground Out, Strikeout
Damon: Single
Feel like this is becoming a trend….
Those guys at MoMass do make me laugh somethime with their pictures, but other than that, their commentary is pretty juvenile and off the mark the majority of the time.
Bunt Jeter!!!!!
“so we’re facing a rookie pitcher with a 5+ era…8 innings of 2 hit shut out ball is what I expect.”
We’re halfway there Francis
That was a pretty terrible AB.
“i would say that joba first start and second were very different than what was projected.
if everyone on the joba starting band wagon is now saying they meant league average for joba, ok.”
randy l, I think the problem here is that the guy you’re arguing with can’t argue back:
http://tinyurl.com/5o8mfq
I’m not sure I would want Bedard on the Yanks in any case. I heard – I think during a YES telecast when Seattle was in town – that Bedard is not too interested in his baseball career, and that is one of the reasons Baltimore traded him.
whozat Jetes or Bobby ?
“I personally think the sample size is WAY too small to pass any judgement yet on Joba.”
jashell 2000-
i really like joba as a starter, but joba’s raw.
it has nothing to do with sample size.
you can see it when he pitches as a starter.
joba was a beast in the 8th inning.
he’s not as a starter.
at least not yet.
i think that was really what damon was trying to say.
Brandon,
I read today that Ron Artest has interest in being a Knick. Thoughts? I wish the Spurs would take a chance on him.
how the hell is that a strike !!!
bad call
3-1 to Jeter, pops to second.
2-0 to Abreu, flies to center.
4 pitch strikeout to A-Rod.
NOT situational hitting lol
““Miguel Batista had the 32 lowest SP ERA at 4.29.â€
Batista had the 26th highest AL ERA amongst starters last year at 4.29. There were only 25 pitchers in the AL with an ERA of 4.25 or lower.
Either way, its somewhat ironic to say Joba is going to fail to meet expectations and to then expect him to be one of the 25 best pitchers in the AL.”
I was tallying up anybody with about a half season or more of starts (15+). I included pitchers you didn’t. There were more than 37 starters in the AL last year. However, using that list, 25/37 means he isn’t in the bottom 3rd of pitchers. I think he’ll be better than the bottom 3rd of pitchers.
I stand by my 4.25 expectation. +- 0.50 for floor/ceiling makes sense, however, IMO.
That was horse shiii. What was the ump looking at? Worse strike call of the year.
Do the umpires hate us because we’re beautiful?
I’d like to punch that ump right now !
, BTW SoS no on Artest.
not a smart club. shouldve been 1-0.
Yeah Robbie! That’s what I like to see!
bad call
nice play cano!
Is there any website or organization that tallies the number of bad calls an umpire makes during the season?
I would be interested to see what kind of ERA that converts to.
Great play by Cano there but Kay is insane Cano is never winning a GG defense is secondary to him he’d rather win the least pitches seen award
that “strikeout” was a frickin’ ball !
CB: Looking at that list, I’m amused that 15 earned runs are what separates Meche’s ERA from Carmona’s. It feels so much smaller when one says ‘sprinkle 15 more earned runs over the course of ~215 innings’ than ‘jack up the ERA by about 0.6′, even though mathematically they’re the same thing.
Oh crap they are set up
Rumors today Atkins to play first for Cabrera,Kennedy and Melencon?
V,
I agree with you and those are in the same ball park as my expectations. Tim Lincecum had an era of 4.00 and an ERA+ of 111 last year.
If Joba pitched to an ERA+ of 111 that would be fine.
The only way he’s going to learn how to refine his pitching and to get better as pitcher is by starting.
Well this umpire is a moron that was in my top 5 worst call strike 3 ever and Moose isnt getting corners this ump is a douche!
Rumors today Atkins to play first for Cabrera,Kennedy and Melencon?
what the hell Melancon ? No.
I wonder why Jeter didnt bunt Damon to third?
I think Robbie came to play today!
that ws a pretty DP !
come on Moose!
was *
nice dp! cano will do something with the bat now!
S.o.S- worst trade I ever heard of IPK alright but Melancon and Melky too they must think Atkins is frickin Mike Schmidt
Blargh,
The level of play at the MLB level is so high that small differences can have enormous consequences.
The relationship between numbers and performance isn’t really linear from a statistical standpoint.
4-6-3 the pitcher’s best friend
very good
back to work bats
June 9th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Rumors today Atkins to play first for Cabrera,Kennedy and Melencon?
no way. Certainly not Cabrera AND Melancon.
umpires dont like a-rod because he is biracial.
Clearly Cano and Jeter sat down together at a computer and read all the LuHud comments about their play and took our carefully considered constructive criticisms to heart.
If the Yanks win this game, LoHud gets the credit.
That was a really nice DP turned by the Yanks.
“I’m not exactly Classy Freddie Blassie (the fashion plate of wrestling) but I know enough not to wear black socks and dress shoes with shorts.”
Ted Dibiase was a much better dresser than Classy Freddie Blassie Pete. Everyone knows that.
Atkins strikes out three times as much as he walks thats not Yankee material right there
“Rumors today Atkins to play first for Cabrera,Kennedy and Melencon?”
It’s not a rumor. It’s a dumb trade proposal. Check out Atkins road numbers. http://www.nypost.com/seven/06.....htm?page=2
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE
For Melancon, IPK, and Melk-man I need to get back at least Holliday and preferably Fuentes too
How do these things become ‘rumors’? Rumors implies that someone heard that these discussions were actually taking place.
I can propose the Yankees trade for Manny Ramirez and Josh Beckett for Ian Kennedy and Melky Cabrera, with the Sox eating some salary, but that’s not a ‘rumor’, that’s stupidity.
(now, I’d like to see that ‘rumor’ popping up somewhere in the next couple of weeks
)
“Rumors today Atkins to play first for Cabrera,Kennedy and Melencon?”
I’d be interested in the source of this rumor.
The rockies haven’t even made any determination yet if they are going to be sellers.
Atkins isn’t very good and there’s no way they would ever trade even close to that package for him.
Atkins is yet another product of Coors Field. He has a .939 OPS at home and a .737 OPS on the road. That’s horrible for a first baseman – horrible. Melky is having a poor year so far and he has a .718 OPS.
A .718 OPS CF is more valuable by himself than an .737 OPS first baseman.
From what I understand, Atkins isn’t considered to be a very valuable player by baseball people as they think his success is largely due to where he plays.
Joel Sherman strikes again ..
Joel Sherman is a tool thanks for heinously overstating Atkins value there at least google his stats before you offer up two top prospect and a major league CF for the guy
The only ‘situational hitting’ failure was Jeter’s and it’s becoming a continual, disturbing pattern with him (along with his lack of power). On a 3-1 pitch, he has to restrain himself and zone in better on a pitch he can ground or drive the other way. That was a bad pitch, bad approach, and a worse swing.
I have admired all that he has brought to this franchise over the years, but it seems astonishing how little is being said about the putrid year he is having, perhaps b/c of the deceiving B.A. And I don’t buy the whole thing being attributable to the HBP – , the lack of power dates back to the 2nd half last year – his SLG since that time is just north of .410.
I want to add, I am not a troll, so please don’t rush in with that angle or the “who’s better?” – I don’t see any alternatives, but he is not pulling his weight. I’d like to see if other fans are feeling the same frustration and what you see as the cause and/or solution. I want the same things that most of you want – a productive captain pulling the weight of his position and contract..it sometimes feels like there is an unwillingness to hold him accountable.
joel sherman didnt do anything wrong, he proposed some possible trades. if you dont like them, dismiss them. he didnt start any rumors. at least give the guys some credit for sticking his neck out and creating some discussion.
Melky, IPK and Melancon for Atkins mentioned in Sherman’s Sunday column.
“Atkins strikes out three times as much as he walks thats not Yankee material right there”
2006 s.o. 76 b.b. 79
2007 s.o. 96 b.b. 67
Hasnt struck out 100x in one season in his career
I agree its too much to give. But come July. Maybe Cash can work his magic and get him for half. Im just not sold on going after Tex for 6 or 7 years.
Another screwy trade rumor. Since I’m stuck out here watching the M’s (upside I got tix behind HP for the yanks series)I’ve been thinking that someone like Giambi or Bonds would be exactly what they need. I don’t see them trading away half of one of the best 1-2 punches in baseball. Just like the Giants and the Matsui talk, if you want to rebuild, do you do it with a mid 30′s DH, or with two elite pitchers?
That said anything could happen. People complain about Cash, but Bavasi seems pretty incompetent. He’s got a good pitching staff all the way through it, but they couldn’t hit themselves out of a paper bag.
“joel sherman didnt do anything wrong, he proposed some possible trades. if you dont like them, dismiss them. he didnt start any rumors. at least give the guys some credit for sticking his neck out and creating some discussion.”
Except they were all stupid trade proposals, either requiring the Yankees or their trade partner to be idiots.
Not a good assumption to make.
joel sherman didnt do anything wrong, he proposed some possible trades. if you dont like them, dismiss them. he didnt start any rumors. at least give the guys some credit for sticking his neck out and creating some discussion.
horrible discussions
Joel Sherman is notorious for nay-saying the Yanks then he comes up with a grab bag of silly trades that favor the other team instead of the Yanks(why the heck would they do one-sided trades) maybe hes hoping management reads his jumble and decides to cripple the farm for an ok ML third basemen when we already have the best in baseball
PLEASE dont let Gath on.
S.o.S I was referring to Atkins this year look it up 37 K’s 11 BB
whew! got him out
Notice how good Abreu looks running AWAY from the wall. Incredible.
Ahh, Moose. I like what I’m seeing so far, he’s not giving in to any hitter.
i didnt like any of his proposed trades either, so i ignore them. now we have people on here accusing him of starting rumors or ‘giving away’ something.
So I just got a phone message from, JOhn Sterling saying my All Star ticket license is overdue I didnt even buy All Star tickets any other season ticket holder get this message and care to explain??
Moose continuing to look good. Need to get him some runs. I really want to see him be the 1st pitcher in the AL to 10 wins.
Great play by Abreu… again further illustrating how under rated his defense really is.
nick in sf-
you need to get a new logical fallacy argument.
now this should be is your favorite fallacy since you use it so much.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com.....185743.jpg
“Appeal to ridicule, also called the Horse Laugh[1], is a logical fallacy which presents the opponent’s argument in a way that appears ridiculous, often to the extent of creating a straw man of the actual argument. “
ive wondered about abreu’s wall problems for a long time, but give him some credit the last ball he played at the wall, he played perfectly. he’s been practicing improving his play at the wall, so i think its time to wait and see how he does with the wall moving forward and give him some credit for trying to improve.
Abreu, Giambi and Mussina are making the offseason decision-making very hard!
Molina looks like he cant hit in batting practice I guess theyre taking it easy on Jorge
Ouch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoG0N1rZWuk
let me know what you think of a baseball podcast i tried to make. Leave comments so i know what to change. it is only the first one so i will get better.
I was hoping Molina might hit better if used infrequently, but he is clearly lost..
randy l, my point, which you will readily grasp once the cranky pills wear off, is that you have ascribed arguments to us that we did not make.
in cooler california weather vs. the a’s who basically never steal, i think we’ll see jorge in all 3 games (maybe at dh once). also, having him to pinch hit off the bench is a tremendous weapon.
in cooler california weather vs. the a’s who basically never steal, i think we’ll see jorge in all 3 games (maybe at dh once). also, having him to pinch hit off the bench is a tremendous weapon.
Okay, I would really like some Yankee offense right about now…
2nd time around lets see how they react, Hocevar is throwing his offspeed well
sorry about the double post
Can someone tell the Yankees that this is a 5 era pitcher! Again a mediocre pitcher looking like Cy himself.
Okay, not there. But eventually.
Boring hitting game today Moose needs runs
“so we’re facing a rookie pitcher with a 5+ era…8 innings of 2 hit shut out ball is what I expect.â€
Damn, you might be right.
In fairness to Hochevar, he is one of the most highly touted pitching prospects in the game. It will be interesting to see how he fares in the next 2-3 innings as they see him more. Hopefully Mussina keeps them right there.
The Yanks struggle against all mediocre pitchers its their thing
Can someone tell the Yankees that this is a 5 era pitcher! Again a mediocre pitcher looking like Cy himself.
he was a #1 pick for a reason, he looks to be mixing that slider and curveball well today, and locating his fastball. It won’t be easy today.
So is Teahen (an opponent) suppose to splooge over Joba? Are you kidding me?
So are the Yankees just trying to get the game over to get on the plane? Or is this guy good?
So, like, when’s the last time we got a win off of a rookie pitcher?
Moose gotr cheated did you see that movement!
Tyler Clippard pitching tonight for the Nats.
The movement on Hochevar’s fastball that tails inside to RHB and away from LHB is impressive..e.g, the pitch he struck Melky out on and got Abreu/Jeter to pop/fly out.
Hochevar has gone through the line up only once. Let’s see how he does the second time around after the hitters have seen his stuff.
He was the first pick in the 2006 draft. He has talent.
The offense has been getting better. Hopefully they get something going.
“So is Teahen (an opponent) suppose to splooge over Joba? Are you kidding me?”
Yes, yes he is Dave Joba deserves that he is the second coming and should be treated accordingly
Moose cruising . . . I expect some outings like this from Joba before long (more K’s though).
Yankees Classifieds:
Wanted: Runs. Preferably between 6-10, no less than 3. The result must end with a Yankee win. $200 mil OBO.
See Stienbrener, Hank. mouthyboss(at)yankees.com
Tyler Clippard pitching tonight for the Nats.
thanks Jenn. I’ve been meaning to check up on him, he should do better now that he is in the NL
Wow that Moose slow curve is nasty!
Question.
If this time last year someone told you Mussina and Hochevar would be involved in a pitcher’s duel, would you have believed them?
“In cooler california weather vs. the a’s who basically never steal, i think we’ll see jorge in all 3 games (maybe at dh once)”
On the pre-game show Joe Girardi said that Posada will catch the 1st two games in Oakland and sit for the 3rd.
Ok, thanks for clarifying that, Yu.
And Mussina is pitching like Maddox.
What do we do with Moose in the off season if he continues pitching this way?
48 pitches through 4 IP..he could go 10!!
Moose looks great today. Time for the offense to wake up.
Gayle,
I just got the same call. It seems to me they did this once a few years ago, emailing everyone, not just the full-season ticket holders, that their playoff tickets hadn’t been paid for. I wish they were holding some All-Star tickets for me, but I’m afraid that’s not the case.
Honestly I expect Joba to not go very deep into games maybe 6 innings but similar to Kazmir he will get like 8-10 K’s in those 6 innings I’ll take it hes the type of pitcher who cranks it out for 100 pitches and then flames out
Sign Moose to a 1 year $5 mil contract (with benchmark bonuses) with a team option for 2010.
Rock on Moose
CB Hochevar also is playing w/ an edge today, he’s loss his last 4 starts, but has been going medium in each start. 5-6 IP, what’s going on w/ Jetes
Not one person commented on my Jeter post earlier, no one cares to discuss this?
Moose is putting together another solid start. Throwing strikes, low pitch count, good movement. The guy really has it working right now.
Its funny, where would this team be without Mussina, Giambi, and Damon? All three were said to be “done” for months and months. All offseason, even the beginning of this year.
I agree this makes next offseason decisions a lot more difficult. Right now Giambi is one of the most feared hitters in the league. He’s an OBP and OPS machine. How do you let him walk away? Mussina could be at 10 wins by the end of today. He’s pitching deeper into games and looking much better. You have to offer him a deal. He took less money on his last contract to stay here, I’m sure he’d accept a one-year deal.
This home plate ump is a joke I would storm the field if I was there, how are the Yanks allowing this kid to own them he looks like Nolan Ryan out there this is SO embarrassing
poor Moose no run support.
So we’re got going to get any Yankee offense today, are we?
“what’s going on w/ Jetes”
Stop hatin dammit! But seriously. Whats up with Jeter?
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Mission 2708
June 9th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
So we’re got going to get any Yankee offense today, are we?
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Considering there’s 1 hit between all of them Yanks through 4 innings? and Luke’s sitting on 52 pitches thru 4? probably not.
The Yanks went down on 8 pitches that inning. They have to do better than that.
Brandon,
I think Jeter is still hurt. I think his hand is still bothering him.
But that’s just a guess.
I’d still be surprised if Jeter finished the season with an OPS of less than .800.
I’m not that worried about him.
IMO there are a number of more pressing issues on the offense.
MOOSE…looks like both teams are playing to make sure they don’t miss their plane reservations…MOOSE
Jeter is either in a slump or declining.
Today is not the day for offense and I expect Moose to blink first how upsetting everyone is already thinking about what they are gonna eat in the bay area tonight
you know it’s a less-than-exciting game when one of the mlbtv.com video highlights is Molina’s bat flying into the crowd!
Oh, and of course Hochevar has retired 12 straight yankees after Damon’s leadoff hit. Hmmm… I’m guessing the Yankees have already loaded the offense onto the plane right now…
I can’t watch the game because I’m at work, but it looks like our offense is stinking up the place as usual.
This is not Carlos Silva we’re facing. This is a solid top tier pitching prospect, who, like all top tier pitching prospects, is going to struggle from time to time.
So far today, this is not one of those times.
Eight pitches to get through the heart of the order for Luke Hochevar. A guy who had allowed 32 walks in 52.2 innings. Unreal. This team’s approach at the plate is horrible at times.
If Jeters production continues to drop off in the next couple years. Does anyone think he might just hang it up? I just cant see over staying his welcome like Bernie did. Again, thats if he drops off.
“Jeter is either in a slump or declining.”
Are you serious? How can someone who has a 9 game hitting streak be declining?
CB, I wonder that too because he’s been doing alot of first pitch swinging lately on some junk. I guess his wrist or hand isn’t 100 % either.
so it looks like this is what they are talking about. Having been to an All Star game beforein Philly in 1976 I will skip this one it is better on TV loland a lot less money
All-Star Game Invoice Due Date: Payment in full must be received on or before Friday, May 23, 2008. In the event that full payment is not received by the posted payment deadline, the offer to purchase All-Star Summer Event Tickets shall be revoked without further notice from the Yankees. The Yankees are not responsible for any delays or payments lost by the postal service, DHL, UPS, FedEx or any other similar or dissimilar delivery service. Please be advised that the payment deadline will be strictly enforced.
good route to the ball by Melky.
Did anyone ready Joel Sherman’s article yesterday?
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports.....e_tra.html
Can anyone explain to me what he’s thinking?
Jetes got a 9 game hitting streak hes not declining this kid is dealing unfortunately
To everyone who got that call from John Sterling: I just got off the phone with the Yankees Ticket Office, and it ends up they screwed up and sent the wrong phone message to everyone.
They said that everyone who is not an established full season ticket holder should just follow the letter that was sent to them regarding All-Star Pre-Sales.
-Steve!
I know everyone is concerned about Jeter but if this season proves anything is that you can’t get too wrapped up in how players do over short stretches of time.
Damon and Giambi looked about as bad as you can for much of April. Now look at them.
Jeter’s slumping right now. He had an .840 OPS last season – that’s right where you expect him.
He’s not suddenly done from one season to the next.
Moose continues to look really strong. Now let’s see the Yankees bats do something.
I just hope we don’t get a repeat of Friday
Moose is kicking @ss. Get to work bats
“Are you serious? How can someone who has a 9 game hitting streak be declining?”
Are you seriously judging a hitter off of 36 at bats? (9 games) Really?
Moose is untouchable. I love it. How come we don’t get updates on his White Board anymore? They were hilarious!
Speaking of Jeter, I assume he’ll be on the all star team and as of this point I think the following Yankees will either make the team or be worthy of making it:
Jeter (popularity)
A Rod (popularity and arguably stats)
Mo
Moose
Damon
Matsui
Giambi
It would be nice if the Yankees were well represented in this home game this year.
oh please I want so bad for Moose to get his 10th win!!! make it happen guys!
Phil Hughes is scheduled to undergo another bone scan this week to check the status of his fractured rib.
Where’s the bone scan…!1
Potch just one advice, just don’t post the link, we’ve discussed it, seen it, most of us assume he’s an idiot, I don’t read into Joel Sherman trade proposals seriously just sub his name for Steve Philips and you get the same thing.
Have we had a baserunner since the first inning?
damn, people, thats not the washington generals out there. any team in mlb can beat any team any day.
hochevar is pitching a gem so far, listen to david cone’s analysis, he’s not gonna be easy to hit.
fortunatly, moose is also pitching a gem and this is a tie game. have some patience people.
Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!
lift the ball people… lift… as in up.
Instead of going on about who to sign in the off-season…How about something a little more topical…Like, if Moose is still on a reasonable pitch count, say 80-85 pitches, and doing well, do you send him out to pitch the 8th, given the weather conditions, or take a chance on a new pitcher?
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Mission 2708
June 9th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Have we had a baserunner since the first inning?
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no.
I think the heat is getting to Sterling, he is babbling on and on about the double play that Cano and Jeter turned, how that was a big run.
Thanks Steve I dont have the patience to keep calling the perpetual busy ticket office. I would however like to know sooner rather t han later what the plans are for next year lol.. I know full season holders have been getting appointments to discuss next years seats bit have heard nothing about partial holders yet
I just noticed the top of Petes page. Silloettes of women”is your love cheating on you”? I thought there were kids in basements who read this blog? Pete, we’ll do an Obama fund raiser if you need it.
whoa – no way pitch 5 was a strike… wow – blind ump.
cripes… only 3 balls have been hit out of the infield.
I will repeat: from the 2nd half of last year, Jeter’s SLG is barely above .410. A simple link to the hbp/wrist is lazy..
CB re: your comment that “IMO there are a number of more pressing issues on the offense.”, the only one that comes to mind is Cano which we have agonized about ad nauseam here. Jeter has been a real problem to this point.
FYI, the 9 game hitting streak has featured 4 XBH in nearly 50 AB’s, which is kind of my point..perhaps we all need to live with a 280/350/420 SS with average to below average D going forward..for $20MM that is pretty steep. For Jeter to be a truly valuable player (clubhouse value aside), an OPS of >825 is probably a requirement.
OK, I am done venting…just want him to turn it around..
“Did anyone ready Joel Sherman’s article yesterday?
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports.....e_tra.html
Can anyone explain to me what he’s thinking?”
The only good trade was Matsui, Tabata(who is declining and has character issues) and Albert Gonzalez for Jonathan Sanchez and Ransy Winn, Sanchez is an absolute lefty STUD he is ridiculous and Winn is a solid ML outfielder
I think the heat is getting to everyone.
Heck, even in my own house, the air conditioning in this room isn’t working well, so I’m sitting in a room that’s about 80 F.
I coul move, but this room has the HD TV.
Owned by NoM@@$. Ha.
Hey! Baserunner!
“Jeter (popularity)
A Rod (popularity and arguably stats)
Mo
Moose
Damon
Matsui
Giambi”
Wow!! 4 of 7 i had dfa’d or traded before the all star game.
Are we facing Luke Hochevar or Roy Halladay??
Thank God, somebody got a hit.
Go Robby! Why is Guillen chatting up the right field bleacher fans?
Since Joel Sherman already started the ball rolling, how about we trade Wang, Tabata, Gardner, and Joba for Pedro Martinez, a 24-pack of bottled water, and Shea Stadium?
Really, Joel Sherman amazes me with his lack of intellect.
You guys got to stop saying the offense is gone. Yea the Yankees aren’t scoring but Hochevar is supposed to be a great pitcher. He is like our youngins except that he was a NO 1 OVERALL DRAFT Pick, just give the offense some time, this guy though is good.
Guillen should just stand in the first row in right field.
Okay, so no runs, but we got a baserunner. Next inning the Yankees will get their runs!
Gosh Molina BLOWS
so much for that offensive display.
damn it’s not even funny hoe Molina looks at the plate, would the Giants be interested in Jose for Bengie
how could a guy (tabata) whos 19 be declining in his first year of aa ball? character issues? how about maturity issues. give the guy a chance before you dismiss him at age 19.
how * (I seriously meant how)
“how about we trade Wang, Tabata, Gardner, and Joba for Pedro Martinez, a 24-pack of bottled water, and Shea Stadium?”
Throw in Pedro’s midget friend and LoDuca’s underage girlfriend (who must be 18 now) and we have a deal!
Wow… great game by the Moose. He’s pitching a gem!
“Interested Reader”
how could a guy (tabata) whos 19 be declining in his first year of aa ball? character issues? how about maturity issues. give the guy a chance before you dismiss him at age 19.
his a menace to society
can someone explain to me why Jorge didn’t PH for Molina there? Is Jorge ok? I am listening to the radio and they didnt even comment on it, like it was no big deal…I know it;s only the 5th but come on, runs are at a premium here!
Are people going to complain about Joba if he doesn’t hit a home run in Houston?
Dear Joba:
Please watch what Moose is doing today and take it to heart.
Brent- Jonathan Sanchez is not a spent late 30′s has been hes a mid 20′s STUD lefty think a young Andy pettitte with more heat if any body gets a chance go to Sfgiants.com and click on his name on the roster they got some highlights that blew my mind hes tremendous seriously
he’s *(that’s twice)
“Throw in Pedro’s midget friend and LoDuca’s underage girlfriend (who must be 18 now) and we have a deal!”
Think I heard that Pedros lil friend passed away about a year ago
are the guys on that worthless blog going to publish the names of any more people who post critical comments or do they only apply thier total lack of ethics to people they dont like?
You dont pinch hit for him in the 5th inning when the whole point is to give him a day off from catching. Now 8th yes but not the 5th
Does DeJesus make anyone else think of The Big Lebowski? “No body [messes] with de Jesus!”
Brent- Jonathan Sanchez is not a spent late 30’s has been hes a mid 20’s STUD lefty think a young Andy pettitte with more heat if any body gets a chance go to Sfgiants.com and click on his name on the roster they got some highlights that blew my mind hes tremendous seriously
it’s amazing how people now are catching on to his talent, I’ve been echoing this for some time now. Rumoes also have it that Bengie Molina is not happy in SF and wants out, the Giants drafted Buster Posey and already have him on fast track Bengie might have a for sale sign come trade deadline.
“mid 20’s STUD lefty”
if he’s that good, why would the giants trade him?
all of those proposals were garbage, just like the writer who proposed them. seriously, just tell me where i can go to go to sign up for his paycheck and throw out the drivel he produces.
Brandon,
LOL
Sorry, Been busy on other things and haven’t been lurking liek I normally do.
Which thread was it discussed in, I’d love to read the responses?
Great !!! Mike is pitching Moose Eggs and the Yanks cant buy a run.
“Think I heard that Pedros lil friend passed away about a year ago”
Say goodbye to my lil’frien’.
Moose is looking great. The Yankees wasted a great pitching performance by Rasner on Friday. They can’t waste this one.
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE!!!
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports.....e_tra.html
5 trades the yankees should make. hypothetical of course..
Potch, it was on yesterday’s gameday thread and the posts before it.
1 little run..can they get one?
Like, duh.
My man-crush for Mussina grows…..
What world are we living in? Damon is hitting .330, Mussina is throwing 90 MPH.
Anytime Moose hits 90 on the radar gun, you know he’s feeling good.
Look, I know it’s the Royals, who can’t normally score and are loaded with aggressive hitters. But have you seen the movement on Mussina’s fastballs? He looks absolutely tremendous. Let’s get him some runs, boys!
Seriously Brandon If that trade in the offseason for Matsui straight up was available and we didnt do it that is an all time Yankee mistake
“No body [messes] with de Jesus”
Eight-year-olds, Dude.
>>Francis The Praying Mantis June 9th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
so we’re facing a rookie pitcher with a 5+ era…8 innings of 2 hit shut out ball is what I expect.
I think I see a pattern…
Great pitching with no offense (this game, Rasner last week)
Poor pitching outings with plenty of offense (Andy’s game this past weekend)
Yesterday was an exception
That was smart, Melky, attack the first pitch.
Strahan announced he is retiring..
test3
Anybody got the pitch count on Hochevar?
Hi Pete
geez, and HOchevar has only thrown 79 pitches, so we won’t be seeing their bullpen anytime soon
You get the feeling that whoever scores first is going to win this game.
Now watch each team score like 10 runs in the 8th and 9th, just because I said that.
I’m getting a bad feeling…no run support for moose against a pitcher we should be lighting up. Bullpen will be a big factor here in another inning or so. My key to this game was early on with JD on second and Jeter slumping why not bunt him over and get the run in on the flyout by Abreu? I love Jete, but we have to get W’s right now. Pride and history have to be secondary…
Good now somebody else can have the title of “Biggest gapped teeth in the NFL”
Luke has won every game this season that he has given up 2 or less runs. Lets hope Moose can hang in there.
“Anytime Moose hits 90 on the radar gun, you know he’s feeling good.”
Whats would be amazing is after all those dominating years in the 90′s. Where he couldnt win 20 games. He was always high in strikouts and threw 94. This year he is in the high 80′s and on pace to get to that number. For all the people that fall in love with the radar gun. Who would you rather have right now? Farns or Moose?
Why do we suck against garbage pitchers?
Hochevar is at 79 pitches
Mussina is at 69 right now
“think a young Andy pettitte with more heat”
And less control.
“so we’re facing a rookie pitcher with a 5+ era…8 innings of 2 hit shut out ball is what I expect.”
Guy’s a #1 overall draft pick. It’s not like he’s some shlub.
Wow, way to go out on top Strahan. I would think he’d want to come back and try and defend his title. Not to mention pay off his alimony.
All this whining and complaining about the offense is crap. Hochevar is pitching well and some balls have been hit hard. Also, what did we get 12 runs yesterday?
Try and enjoy a good pitching duel for a change.
I have a feeling Royals will score this inning.
2 out of 4 against KC.
Really feel bad for Moose to have to take the loss though.
Man, I have to say, the number of you people who think Luke Hochevar is a ‘garbage pitcher’ who, by definition, the Yankees should score 50 runs against is astonishing.
Moose is at 71 pitches before the start of the inning…could go 8 today?
“I have a feeling Royals will score this inning.
2 out of 4 against KC.
Really feel bad for Moose to have to take the loss though.”
Of course, Eeyore. But, wait, I thought you said we were going to lose every day for the last 50 games?
Man Guillen is killing us this series.
Guillen HR?
Good pitch, better hit. I want to kill guillen
we wasted rasner’s peformance on friday, better not waste mussina’s effort today
we need a really long inning against Hochevar next inning Joe needs to tell them whoever swings at the first pitch doesnt get desert at Boulevard restaurant tonight you’ll see even Cano wont swing
What do we have to do to get Guillen out?
Ok. Double.
Guess I’m about to be right again, KC will score—unfortunately.
GAME OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And on a day like today, that’s probably the game. Oh well, Moose had been great till then.
Poor moose, game over.
2 more hitless inings from luke and my prediction is dead on.
1. Yanks trade Horne and Ohlendorf to the Pirates for Damaso Marte. This is two good young arms with 12 years of service time between them for a lefty reliever. But this is how much I value having a lefty reliever who can really do the job, who actually gives you a shot against the David Ortiz set.
Joel Sherman is an idiot, so in his world trading a potential SP for a LHMRP that probably has 2 yrs. of service left is productive.
2. Yanks trade Melky Cabrera, Ian Kennedy and Austin Romine for Huston Street.
Again moronic it’s Billy Beane not Ed Wade
Yanks trade Hideki Matsui, Jose Tabata and Alberto Gonzalez to the Giants for Jonathan Sanchez and Randy Winn.
so I’m trading a 19 yr. old OF w/ top potential and Hideki Matsui for Jonathan Sanchez ? If it was Jonathan Sanchez and Brian Wilson I’d understand but this ? And Randy Winn isn’t special at all.
Yanks trade Edwar Ramirez and J.B. Cox to the Astros for Ty Wigginton.
*Headache*
OK, I know all four of these trades will not be made in unison (in fact, none of them will be made). But let’s pretend for a moment that the four trades were all made. What would the Yankees have
Marte, an old OF, Jonathan Sanchez and no Streets oh and Ty Wigginton who isn’t the best available RHB.
blah….
Arghhhh
Christ almighty. This team is something else.
We are still going to win this game.
Uck the idiot was right, they did score.
unreal…..If they do lose, you can put this loss on the offense.
daaaaaaaaaaamn
Ok, everyone saying the game’s over, why are you going to continue to watch and tell everybody how the game is over?
Go do something else, since it’s obviously ‘over’.
what I say
Im gonna go grab a sandwich talk to u guys later
“2 more hitless inings from luke and my prediction is dead on.”
You will be right.
Dang it!
2 runs should not feel like MT Everst.
Where are the Yankee bats? This is pathetic.
V,
I did not imply Hochevar was “garbage”, but “pedestrian” would be generous. Check out his season stats, not winning any awards anytime soon. So, yes on paper we should be hitting him, but you don’t play baseball on paper now do we?
Yes!!We’re down 2-0. We got them where we want them. 7 of the last 8 wins have been come from behind. Lets make that 8 of 9.
you just have the feeling that the yanks won’t comeback today.
“Ok, everyone saying the game’s over, why are you going to continue to watch and tell everybody how the game is over?
Go do something else, since it’s obviously ‘over’.”
I like the optimism, but it’s over lol. Now I will watch just because I like baseball, not because I expect anything.
nice call francis
Maybe we’ll get to beat up on Soria again this afternoon? Something tells me they won’t bring in Tomko…
Moose has lost it.
We’ll comeback and win this game, however, it’s time to get Moose out.
It looks like the game may be over, we haven’t touched Hochaver at all, his offspeed is working and the fastball is pintpoint and he’s got an edge to him today, winless in his last 4 starts he’s locked in today.
This isn’t looking like a comeback miracle day, Soria is usually lights out.
The game is not over just because the Royals scored.
Anybody see the game yesterday? How about Friday?
Were you the same guys that said those games were over?
and that f’n sucks about Strahan too. How can he not come back and defend his title? I just don’t get it.
geez…what an awesome 5-minute sequence that was. boo.
Just get the last out goddamnit!
“V,
I did not imply Hochevar was “garbageâ€, but “pedestrian†would be generous. Check out his season stats, not winning any awards anytime soon. So, yes on paper we should be hitting him, but you don’t play baseball on paper now do we?”
Only for someone who extrapolates the present season for all future statistics.
Luke Hochevar is a -very- talented pitcher. Would you be surprised, truly -surprised- if Joba or Hughes did the same vs., say, the Red Sox?
I wouldn’t.
hi all. can’t blame moose. he pitched a great game. hard to win when your offense gives you crap.
on april 17th , moose got hammered by boston. counting that one , the yankees had lost three of his 4 starts and his era was 5.75 .
there were rumors of a girardi closed door edict to pitch up and in or else chance a return to the bullpen like last august .
whether this happened or not, it seems moose in his own way has discovered a way to reinvent himself. he does seem to pitch inside more, and maybe it didn’t take much of this to set up his other pitches.
from that point on the yankees have won 9-10 of mussina’s starts.
Very nice play by Abreu to prevent the run scoring..
gotta admit – that gaithright is a darn good fielder
finally, this inning is over….but the game is not! Let’s go Yanks!!
Wow, Gathright is all kinds of bad.
Nobody to blame but themselves. The ONLY way a bad team like the Royals has any chance is if YOU don’t score. 0 runs is not going to get it done. 7 IP 2 ER is a tremendous start, but the offense has been a joke getting 2 hit shutout through 6 by a guy with a 5.00+ ERA.
Abreu, ARod and Matsui. Lets see what our best can do.
KC is just too good.
Base on the 4 games, you would think it’s the Yanks who are 15 games under 0.500.
Do the Yankees know that the point of the game is to score?
2 runs, 9 outs to go. That is definitely doable.
How about an Abreu single and ARod HR?
Mark Teahen is an idiot. Time for another come from behind win….let’s get at least 3 here…get the win and get Moose to 10 wins…
insane 3 hits and 0 runs in 6 innings
Brandon we beat Soria a few days ago, why not today?
I expect a little more from you…
“Nobody to blame but themselves. The ONLY way a bad team like the Royals has any chance is if YOU don’t score. 0 runs is not going to get it done. 7 IP 2 ER is a tremendous start, but the offense has been a joke getting 2 hit shutout through 6 by a guy with a 5.00+ ERA.”
So, uh, how many wins do the Royals have exactly when their opponent scores 3 or more?
And again, Hochevar is a talented pitcher. He’s bound to put it all together sometime, it just sucks its vs. the Yankees.
1, 2, 3 inning for Hochevar coming up
Another medocre pitcher with a 6.00+ ERA that Yankee batters treat like he’s Bob Feller!
Good point.
i must say – i’m not giving up hope as I’ve seen this team FINALLY seems to bouce back at the end of games to win.
This blog is definitely eye-opening. No wonder a lot of people hate Yankees’ fans. It’s their god given right to see a 10-0 win every day of their lives.
Stupid pitching by Moose in that inning. With 2 outs pitches to Guillen who is the only batter in this series that is hitting the ball. Then hangs a curve to an awful hitting catcher. Arod was pitched around alot in the series Moose and Molina should of been smarter then to pitch to Guillen there and the homerun was a meatball. Girardi is lucky that Moose got Gathright out because if not that would of been another game that Girardi left the pitcher out to dry when he had nothing left. Especially today at 100 temp. But then again the offense is sleeping so he has nothing to work with.
Perhaps I missed it, but where was the major feature story on Mike Aviles of the Royals coming into the Stadium to play against the Yankees?
This kid was a star at a local college (Concordia). In a span of three weeks, he gets called up to the majors and then gets a chance to play at yankee Stadium.
Are you guys supposed to be a local paper?
Brandon we beat Soria a few days ago, why not today?
I expect a little more from you…
can’t expect to beat on a top CL in the AL all the time, if they are going to come back it has to be on Luke
Guarantee they fail to score Bobby
There’s the start!
yesss! good start.
Leadoff double – now we’re talkin!
lets be honest…the royals are not a bad team…THEYRE ATROCIOUS. The fact that the yankees arent going to sweep them and that all the games have been close really tells you how bad this yankee team really is. At best theyre a 500 club. Sad.
now that they are losing, im sure its becoming unreadable now, so im not reading any comments. they are going to come back right here!
Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!
3 runs minimum…as we are chasing only 2, it is late in the game and we are ALL ready to MASH !
They’ve remembered lately how to come back in games
2 runs is very possible
I still like our chances
“The Last Yankee Fanâ„¢ (a.k.a. ERâ„¢)
June 9th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
1, 2, 3 inning for Hochevar coming up”
Any more predictions, Eeyore?
V,
we don’t expect a 10-0 win, but we do expect Moose to get some run support on this fine outing of his! is that asking for too much? esp against this team?
The Royals have won 24 games this year.
Only 6 were in games in which the opponent scored more than 2 runs.
Gotta score a few this inning and put them away.
Yanks are a joke you cant split against this team how embarassing
Double by Abreu… get out of here!
i’m sure we can get Abreu around to home….no one out!
A-Rod strike out
WOO HOOO!
Tie game!
AN A-BOMB FROM A-ROD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEH ALEX !
A bomb for A rod
YEAH BABY!!!
now you can trot!!!!!
‘Lets be honest…the royals are not a bad team…THEYRE ATROCIOUS. The fact that the yankees arent going to sweep them and that all the games have been close really tells you how bad this yankee team really is. At best theyre a 500 club. Sad.”
Jesus, you people have them winning the World Series after a W and have them being the worst team in history after a L. Make up your god damn mind.
By the way. Its tied up.
Maybe it’s the reverse psychology thing…
AROD! I LOVE YOU!
Alex!!
Now lets get a few more so Moose is on the W side!
Still think the game is over? A Rod ties it.
Now let’s get one more run this inning to get Moose the win.
CLUTHCHOSITY THY NAME IS A-ROD!
“A-Rod strike out”
No, AROD fly ball out. Out of the park that is.
OK, I’m going to buy an A-Rod poster for my cube.
WOOOOOT!!!! Way to answer back!!!!
That Alex, so unclutch!
yay!!
Ahhh… That feels nice. Way to bail out Moose! Now let’s try taking the lead!
that was cool
Didnt see that coming Hochevar looked like Walter Johnson bad pitch to the MVP there
And who says ARod isn’t clutch! Way to go Alex!!!!!
” V
June 9th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
2 runs, 9 outs to go. That is definitely doable.
How about an Abreu single and ARod HR? ”
.
V…DUDE !…Can I have the winning lottery numbers, please ???
big home run lets keep it going and get moose this win
Good point Jennifer, my fantasy league wants a Moose win. Let’s get the lead here players!
1 swing and we’re even, Yeah!!
sssssssssss see ya lol
Kay was waiting for it. He sounded like a snake
Now lets hope all they doubters could leave this blog for the rest of the day. Pathetic. Sometimes i feel like boston fans and yankee fans reversed roles.
V
“Luke Hochevar is a -very- talented pitcher. Would you be surprised, truly -surprised- if Joba or Hughes did the same vs., say, the Red Sox?”
A rookie pitching a 2 hit shutout in Fenway against a healthy Red Sox lineup through 6-7 innings? Yeah, actually I would be surprised.
Once again, don’t want take anything away from him. This guy has not pitched a full season in the MLB yet and thus far his stats are pedestrian. That’s a fact. Will he win a Cy in 5 years? Who the heck knows? My point was today June 9th our lineup “should” be producing more than 2 hits agains a rookie with his line so far this season. Oh well what do I know? This is baseball, and just like life just when you think you figure it out it confuses even more. Good discussion.
did anyone hear how funny kays hr call was he was waiting forever for the ball to land… sssssssssssssssssssssssssee ya lol
ONE MORE RUN for the MOOSE !!! Mooooooooooooooooose ! Godzilla is going to help out a Moose ! Go Figure !
V – Nice call. What is your next prediction?
A-ROD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally!
I love it how suddenly it’s Girardi’s fault for letting Moose pitch the 7th inning after Moose was just toying with KC all day.
This board becomes seriously annoying when the Yankees are losing the game. I swear it’s like some posters here have never watched a full season of baseball before. Every team is going to lose 60 games and win 60 games. That’s pretty much a given every single year. I mean really.
Yeah, if I was on acid I may find Joel Sherman’s trades interesting. But, alas, I am not. mI am completely sober.
And I wonder at times if Joel and/or his editor are sober? The whackiest trades I’ve ever read…
What a dang fool!
What a clutch hit by A-Rod! Winning a few of these comeback games in a row could send them out on the road with so much confidence and help them get a winning streak going.
A lot of the posts put up over the past 20 minutes look pretty silly right now.
The yankee bandwagon shakes a lot as people jump on and off every other minute.
Yu Darvish,
bet you feel stupid now!
Score, guys? What’s going on?
he layed off the crappy offspeed pitch and drove the hanging offspeed pitch out.
It is like the announcers call it on que. Michael Kay was saying his numbers with RISP are better in the 7th and later.
I wonder if Japanese finds find Sterling’s “AN A-BOMB FROM A-ROD” comment somewhat offensive.
Alex!!!!
What a wonderful turn of events!
I am normally a huge negative based soley on frustration with this offense, but today, not so much.
Have to agree with V and others, against KC down by 2 runs, game is far from over.
Look at yesterday’s slugfest.
But not to fear, I won’t give up my negativity until this team is at least 12 games over .500 and playing like a “Yankee” team.
“Yes!!We’re down 2-0. We got them where we want them. 7 of the last 8 wins have been come from behind. Lets make that 8 of 9.”
my post earlier.
8 of 9 folks!
Nice A-Rod!!
You came through, for once.
Too bad, we’ll still lose
Did anyone else notice Joba fist-pumped from the dugout on that homer? That kid just doesn’t get the big leagues. Send him down to Scranton to think about things for a couple months. Or Trenton.
“lets be honest…the royals are not a bad team…THEYRE ATROCIOUS. The fact that the yankees arent going to sweep them and that all the games have been close really tells you how bad this yankee team really is. At best theyre a 500 club. Sad.”
I think that’s a bit too dramatic, but we all know the Yanks have flaws. I’m more concerned about the result at the end of the game and its usually a W against teams like this.
Actually I don’t think the Royals are atrocious – their biggest flaw is their bullpen (and I thought our bullpen was bad). We gave them the game on Saturday and we came back and won because their bullpen made way too many mistakes.
Nice shot by A-Rod. His most clutch hit this year so far. Well done, sir.
Ray and CB,
Some people will never learn.
Kay had a really bad call there.. HAha
Cone and Leiter are two of the best analysts out there. David’s a riot.
Question now that were tied who the heck pitches 8 and 9?
I say Giambi gives us the lead
AlbanyYankee
We had the discussion several times. As a Japanese-American I find it offensive, but someone from Japan wrote that they didn’t find it offensive at all.
In general, it’s not too PC.
I hope you’re kidding Nick. He’s having fun during a game of baseball. I’d gladly take 24 other players who are that excited about playing the game instead of collecting their paychecks.
Nick in SF
June 9th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
“Did anyone else notice Joba fist-pumped from the dugout on that homer? That kid just doesn’t get the big leagues. Send him down to Scranton to think about things for a couple months. Or Trenton.”
LOL! I love you…
or not
The big G is soo feast or famine.. why are you not taking some pitches with your superhuman eye and get a walk and start a rally
“What a clutch hit by A-Rod!”
That at-bat wasn’t too clutch. It was a big hit but its not going to bring down the house. When he finally starts lighting it up in October, then he can be called “clutch”
That ‘stache is inching down his face. Yikes.
let the record show I did not concede the season
“Nick in SF June 9th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Did anyone else notice Joba fist-pumped from the dugout on that homer? That kid just doesn’t get the big leagues. Send him down to Scranton to think about things for a couple months. Or Trenton.”
Get out TROLL Joba is a passionate player he should be punished for his actions right what a stupid moron go call up Fat Mike and Mad Coke Dog to complain about JOBA keep it outta here!
I’d send Moose back out for the 8th, only at 81 pitches. Maybe have a few guys warming when he starts but give him a chance to get some more outs. He’s been better against lefty hitters than righties this year and they are sending 2 lefties and a weaker hitting righty up in the 8th.
Is Moose done at 81 pitches?
Does Girardi leave him in to try and get the win, or does the weather influence him to take him out?
Cano just swung at a first pitch that bounced in the dirt
Okay, we tied, let’s hope we’ll take the lead next inning!
At what point do you do something about cano ?
Moose is at 81 pitches; he could go another inning, or two
Girardi might let Mussina start the 8th. I’d have Edwar warming just in case.
Score two then become complacent again. Why Yanks? why?
““Did anyone else notice Joba fist-pumped from the dugout on that homer? That kid just doesn’t get the big leagues. Send him down to Scranton to think about things for a couple months. Or Trenton.â€
^^ROFL! Classic
A-rod homer was not as clutch as everyone here makes it out to be. A-rod is supposed to do this. Its the Royals come on!!
‘I did not imply Hochevar was “garbageâ€, but “pedestrian†would be generous. Check out his season stats, not winning any awards anytime soon.”
hochevar as made 11 career mlb starts and he has a 4.35 lifetime era.
doesn’t that put him near your joba expectation era range for this year ?
” pedestrian” doesn’t seem like a word that describes him either.
Did anyone else notice Joba fist-pumped from the dugout on that homer? That kid just doesn’t get the big leagues. Send him down to Scranton to think about things for a couple months. Or Trenton.
I agree with Yu, even if the yankees win this game, it was still a very embarrassing series for them. They should have swept this team blind folded. The Royals are that bad, actually theyre beyond that bad…Im making up a new word thats meaning is the epitome of horrible…and that word id Kansascityroyals
Boy,
It’s amazing how Matt and Yu Darvish could actually think that Nick in SF was serious about Joba’s fist pump.
KC will score this inning, too.
Then Yanks go silently.
Today’s not the day to whine about Cano. He’s made some glittering plays in the field and has one of the few hits off Hochevar, a line-drive single.
I agree with Ron you let Moose start the inning and have someone up and ready
Moose back for the 8th at 81 pitches…
A ROD IS BEASTTTTT
Cano swung at a pick off attempt the other day.
awww, i wish we could have gotten Moose the W…he pitched great though for the most part. It seems like every outing of his lately I say to myself, this is the best outing he has had this season. He’s been getting better and better ever since the “pitch more like Jamie Moyer” conundrum lol
Good reading on the board today -
Compare some of the posts the exact same people put up before the yankees at bat in the 7nth and after.
Exact same person – completely different personality.
And if Alex had say grounded out instead of hitting a HR I’d bet the board would have been deluged with posts about how Alex isn’t “clutch.”
Only thing more puzzling is how some people actually miss Nick’s humor and think he’s being serious with his posts….
” The Last Yankee Fanâ„¢ (a.k.a. ERâ„¢)
June 9th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Nice A-Rod!!
You came through, for once.
*Too bad, we’ll still lose* ”
.
RIGHT !…YOU are a Yankee fan…Why don’t you take your negative crap home and go back to your cave ?
Get Mr. Moose out of there!
Moose is going strong this inning. The homer gave him life and he is gonna go 1 2 3 this inning
Folks calm down! Nick is joking. He’s a regular here and he’s been designated by the bloggers in making us laugh.
dude, that is a SWEET strike/balls ratio.
Great play Johnny!
oh wow, scratch that, didn’t know he was coming back out. Go Moose!!
With Ohlendorf’s stuff, he could be the answer in the 8th. I want to see more short stints out of him.
“Get out TROLL Joba is a passionate player he should be punished for his actions right what a stupid moron go call up Fat Mike and Mad Coke Dog to complain about JOBA keep it outta here!”
Nick is one of the best posters on the board.
He actually contributes to the discussion.
Another weird Girardi move..Moose barely got out of the 7th inning why would you bring him out for the 8th??!!
Don Vito:
I agree. Everything that guy says is negative, he knows nothing about the sport of baseball and knows nothing about the New York Yankees.
I would love Pete to ban him from this board. He adds nothing to the conversation and deserves a smack in the mouth.
“I agree with Yu, even if the yankees win this game, it was still a very embarrassing series for them. They should have swept this team blind folded. ”
Should the Sox have also swept Seattle? The expectations that you people have are just beyond ridiculous. This isn’t a Nintendo 1986 baseball game.
wow, Girardi really likes to hang with these starters… maybe he’s just afraid of the bullpen?
5-2 for a seven game HS is good but the Sox go 7-0 6-1 everytime they are in that building
“Nice A-Rod!!
You came through, for once.
Too bad, we’ll still lose ”
So, despite almost all of your predictions making you look silly, you’re going to continue?
The Yankees’ll win on an ARod 3R HR in the 9th. Bank it
Yankees go 1-2-3 in the 8th, then double by Damon, infield single by Jeter, and a 1st pitch blast to deep center by ARod.
(if this actually comes true, I am so buying a lottery ticket).
Girardi is making a smart move. He is showing confidence in Moose and why not he has been our best pitcher this year. Like i said 1 2 3
1. 2. 3.
Can we use Rivera today? He had a quick 9th inning yesterday?
moose for the ninth?
that fly ball wouldnt stop lol
Do we send Moose out there for the 9th?
Great game Moose!!!
“KC will score this inning, too.
Then Yanks go silently.”
It’s amazing how the more you post the more idiotic you make yourself look.
Nice inning….Pinch hit Posada for Molina
Yanks better send Posada up to pinch hit for Molina his at bats have been very pitcher like.
Jorge should pinch hit here….
nice Moose
now get the lead, and on to Mo!!
Come on boys!!
“maybe he’s just afraid of the bullpen?”
Can you blame him?? I’m afraid of the bullpen too
Moose with 8 strong innings. I hope the Yanks can score this inning to get the ball to Mo for the save.
Someone thinks Nick in SF is a troll… I love it.
Yeah, he was serious about Joba being demoted. Fool.
Geesh, Pete will let anyone in here, huh?
And CB, c’mon man, you know that at least 1/3 of Yankees Universe is fickle by the inning.
interesting how Girardi likes stretching out his pitchers, I think we’re going to see an old school method w/ the SP staff. I don’t mind it as long as the SP can go on an build his endurance.
Teahan probably thinks Mussina has better stuff than Joba. He will hold his head high knowing he had a Fly out against Mussina a far better pitcher than Joba.
What a tool.
I just want to take this time to thank Michael Strahan for a great career…Go Giants!
““Get out TROLL Joba is a passionate player he should be punished for his actions right what a stupid moron go call up Fat Mike and Mad Coke Dog to complain about JOBA keep it outta here!â€
Nick is one of the best posters on the board.
He actually contributes to the discussion.”
I just hope Nick was joking and if he was he didnt make it apparent
Did Girardi not learn his lesson from Saturday? Evidently, not. Mussina should not be in this game. Where is Ohlendorf?
I can’t believe it. Teahen came 10 ft from hitting a home run.
Is Girardi a fool or just an arrogant, stubborn child?
Here’s to Moose finally reaching 20 w this year!
I think that’s just about enough…whew!
Gorgeous game, Mike. Besides the hiccup in the 7th that’s best I’ve seen out of you in quite some time.
I saw Ohlendorf pitch those two innings in Minnesota in person. He made it interesting, yes, but he’s got a power sinker in the mid-90s and a fair slider. He can get the strikeout when he needs it, and also induce DPs. I really want to see what he looks like in one-inning stints.
“I just hope Nick was joking and if he was he didnt make it apparent”
Oh, shut up. Get off this board.
“Another weird Girardi move..Moose barely got out of the 7th inning why would you bring him out for the 8th??!!”
Because he’d only thrown 81 pitches and only given up 2 runs? Could that maybe be what Girardi was thinking at that moment?
MO can definitely pitch the 9th, but if its tied I leave in Moose.
bronxbomber: And another 1/3 is fickle by the pitch.
Right move with Posada.
At 89 pitches (if I heard correctly), there’s little reason not to send Moose back out there, especially considering this could go to extras. Save the bullpen.
Did anyone NOT see this move coming?
Anybody else think Guillen
will homer again
next inning?
Pinch-run Duncan and put Moeller behind the plate?
Girardi loves his starters, always trying to get them the win if possible–only explanation of Andy Pettitte disaster the other day. Moose has matched Rasner’s performance last week through eight, let’s see if he’ll have better luck with results.
NICE!!!!
Hip hip Jorge! Great idea to have him pinch-hit.
Whats all this stuff about Teahan? Did he say something about Joba? (cause if he did, I’ll totally go kick his azz..haha)
Moose for Cy Young
Now do we pinch run with Chad? haha.
Hip Hip ….
Hip Hip Jorge!!
w00t! Hip Hip!
I just want to take this time to thank Michael Strahan for a great career…Go Giants!
me too
P.S. send Shelley down for Brett Gardner for godsakes !
That was a joke! See it’s not too hard to be a manager.
Melky bunt
Good start for Jorge.
I believe Ramon Ramirez, the man on the mound, is the dude we sent to Colorado for Shawn Chacon.
Jorge!
I think Nick’s been posting here longer than I have. His posts are a pleasure to read.
Its a sad situation when Chad Moeller is your pinch runner. LOL
thats why i cut out from the blog when they fall behind, it becomes unreadable with er and yu making idiots of themselves
but i never tune out the game!
Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!
“The yankee bandwagon shakes a lot as people jump on and off every other minute.”
cb-
i didn’t notice you posting at all when joba got hammered in his first start or was losing 3-2 in his second start.
…and you making fun of people who’d like to win a game?
seems you’re pretty skillful on the old bandwagon jump yourself.
Safe or out on Melky?
HE WAS SAFE !
“I just hope Nick was joking and if he was he didnt make it apparent”
Nick is one of the most frequent posters on the board.
His posts are both hilarious and insightful.
It would be very, very difficult to think Nick is a troll unless one is new to the board, has no sense of humor or just doesn’t bother to read other people’s posts.
Dr. Cox- How bout you GTFO I took it seriously because he stated it seriously am I supposed to assume that everyone is joking at all times some people really do feel that way
Is Chad fast? I guess a lot of people are faster than Jorge (except Giambi)
woo hoo, here we go, hip hip, Jorge!
Why didn’t Joe go nuts?
That’s what I am talking about!!!
Melky was so safe. Melky, though, please don’t throw your helmet. We need you in center field.
Though I like the emotion.
There we go. I think Melky was out.
No lottery ticket for me
Montague that’s 3 bad calls right there this week
BAD CALL. He was safe by a half step.
Another great call by an umpire…What a joke…
Or not.
Ray, there isnt a pitcher on the royals that is even half as good as Felix.
Seriously, umps… why you swiggin’ on the Hatorade?
That was a terrible call again. It’s a huge ump conspiracy against Yankees.
Bloody Hell!!!
He screws us again!!
“i didn’t notice you posting at all when joba got hammered in his first start or was losing 3-2 in his second start.”
Randi,
That’s a rather hostile post on your part.
I was out all day yesterday and missed the game.
But I’m glad you’re concerned regarding my whereabouts.
There’s some leadership from Girardi. Don’t really get to see it that often. He did the right thing there.
That wasn’t even a tie at 1b. Another pathetic Montague call.
is this not the 3rd bad call by montague?
Why is everyone do down on Girardi move to keep Moose in. It was completely right. You have to show confidence in Moose he has been ten times better then anyone ever expected from him this year.. Lets go Yanks.. I am feeling a Bobby RBI
“i didn’t notice you posting at all when joba got hammered in his first start or was losing 3-2 in his second start.”
Giving up 1 hit is getting hammered? I guess Moose is getting obliterated this game considering all the hits the Royals have.
TERRIBLE call. MELKY WAS SAFE! I’m paying attention to the game via Gameday, but I wanted to be part of the conversation.. :-\
That is the umpire way of saying Yanks if you want to win I wont help you….
FIRE ED MONTAGUE! Thats the 2nd call he has screwed us with in this 4 game series, wtf?! oh well…make it a moot point!!
Yu Darvish:
Along with ER you add absolutely nothing to any conversation on this board. By simply reading your posts, it is evident that you know nothing about baseball and are a doomsday Yankees fan.
If you actually contributed to conversations here, you would know what Nick was talking about. BTW, calling him a troll in that scenario also shows just how pathetic you are.
Simply put: You Suck.
Yeah, I’m not a huge fan of this umpiring staff.
“I think Nick’s been posting here longer than I have. His posts are a pleasure to read.”
Hell. Can someone please call me a troll? Nick is getting a lot of love in here and im getting jealous.
Wow, that wasn’t even CLOSE. Tiller was awful in Minnesota and then calls A-Rod out today on the breaking ball halfway to the toes from the knees. Then Montague blows his umpteenth call in this series, including that disgraceful check swing call Friday. Calls like that change the entire complexion of the inning. I don’t blame Melky for almost hitting the umpire with his helmet.
Umpires are out to get thev Yanks today man they must be on the ESPN/Gammons payroll
some posters aren’t the brightest bulbs…
Did anyone else see Melky start walking after GI Joe when Joe walked away but then stop himself? Looked like he was still heated in the dugout after Joe talked to him.
it’s up to the Captain now. Come on Jeter!!!
Yanks could of had bases loaded..Shows how 2 calls change the games..If Damon held but he swung..
The Damon swing, at least, was close. The Cabrera call was not.
this homestand so far…
Montague had a bad call at HP
Montague had a bad call at 2B
Montague had a bad call at 1B
…see a pattern
Time for a big clutch hit from captain clutch.
“Ray, there isnt a pitcher on the royals that is even half as good as Felix.”
Zach Grienke would like a word with you. And by the way, the Yankees hammered Hernandez when they saw him, so what’s your point?
Jeter is way off in the batter’s box. But he is Jeter and will come through no matter how bad he is struggling with the bat.
Run scoring play
Montague had a bad call at HP
Montague had a bad call at 2B
Montague had a bad call at 1B
What was the bad call at 2nd? I must have missed that one..
“no matter how bad he is struggling with the bat.”
9 game hitting streak is struggling?
I think the call at 2nd was Saturday. Someone was trying to stretch into a double and got “thrown out” but replays showed he clearly was under the tag.
I believe in Bobby here
Lets go Bobby
Brandon: Stuff will happen at 3rd then?
Alright, keep the baton going!
instead of 2nd and 3rd with one out and Jeter up its 2 outs guy on second all because the 1st base ump sucks
Im new here and even I can see that Yu is pretty negative.
“9 game hitting streak is struggling?”
Small sample size..even during the streak, very little power..
His OPS was 707 going into that AB..that’s a major struggle for a guy who is regularly in the mid-800′s.
Shake Yabuta..Shake Yabuta.
He has not be scolding the ball lately. He is getting seeing eye singles or his typical inside out hit to right field.
‘shake’ yabuta coming in now!
Brandon: Stuff will happen at 3rd then?
Thankfully he won’t get the cycle
2 on, 2 out – right?
Here’s come the “Shake Yabuta” guy hehe.
So, who’s hurt the Yankees more this series? Montague or Guillen?
This Joba kerfuffle has truly cracked me up. Thanks for the many kind words, it’s good to see that the majority of you really do get it.
If my Modest Proposal was too oblique for a few of you, well, it’s a long season.
I’ve actually only been posting on this board since… hmmmm, probably July/August or September of last season. So longer than some, but there are plenty of names on here that I recognize as having been around longer.
Oh, and I think the Damon strikeout call was garbage, and that’s no joke!
I’m telling you, Girardi’s pattern this series with his pitchers– letting Rasner go to 120 pitches, alllowing Pettite to pitch Guillen, keeping Mussina on the mound to pitch the 8th- is genuinely starting to disconcert me.
If Farnsworth is genuinely suffering from a sore bi-cep than the Yankees need to find someone else to pitch the 8th inning.
Yabuta’s stats overall look terrible, but he has not given up a run in 9 of his last 11 outings…and has an ERA below 1.5 since May 1. cmon’ Abreu!
Bobby please back up my statement and get an rbi single
When did Yabuta come from Japan was he posted or FA
“Small sample size..even during the streak, very little power..
His OPS was 707 going into that AB..that’s a major struggle for a guy who is regularly in the mid-800’s”
fair enough…
if what lane says is true, that’s petty, peter. you’re better than that.
Anyone surprise Hillman didn’t call on Mahay?
Kill-Schill,
I think we can all agree that Girardi needs to find someone else to pitch the 8th no matter how Kyle’s bicep is feeling.
Posted, I think. I haven’t checked anything to back me up, but that’s what my mind is telling me.
c’mon bobby!
Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!
Thanks, Mel. I must have missed that conversation. Sorry to be beat a dead horse.
Tied games are stressful hope we seize the W
“i didn’t notice you posting at all when joba got hammered in his first start or was losing 3-2 in his second start.”
Oh and randy, regarding Joba’s first start – I put up 15 posts in that game thread after the game started.
I’ve generally enjoyed the conversations I’ve had with you regarding baseball.
So before you start making personal comments over the internet you should really get your facts correct.
And here’s my second post from that night which is pretty consistent with everything I’ve said today:
“CB June 3rd, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Joba’s just pitching like a relief pitcher right now.
That was inevitable. He was trying to miss every bat and was trying too hard to make perfect pitches.
That’s what part of his learning process will be as he transitions back.
He’ll see that his fastball is more than enough, throw the slider so it stays in the zone and work the curve ball in more and more.
His approach so far has been like he’s coming out of the pen in a high leverage situation and has to hold a lead.
Not a big deal. That’s an issue that’s going to work itself out.
That’s also part of the reason he really needed to get out of the pen.”
crap
So Moose or Mo for the ninth?
Moose certainly deserves the win…
damn … Moose can’t get the win
(who ever thought I’d say that ? )
A-ROD WALK OFF- I feel it anyone agree?
so is Mussina coming out?
This game is over if it wasnt for a retart of an ump at first what a joke
Bah…
So who’s coming in for the 9th?
that blown call really looms large now
Just saving it for the A-Rod walkoff…
good rally, new game!
really need to win this game and get past .500 for good!
Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!
Scoreless 9th for the Royals, then an ARod first pitch walkoff?
Too much to hope for?
I hate that ump he shouldnt have a job
i like the walkoff idea but ill take matsui.
ed montague SUCKS..
does he live in Boston??
changed everything in that inning…2 blown calls, huge calls in the same series, the guy is incompetent.
Look at the pitch location on all those pitches to Abreu, every single one away. Someone must have a scouting report that he is pulling.
But stretching your starter longer than necessary in one-run or tied games and risking them as a consequence is inexcusable.
I can’t understand why the press didn’t pillory Girardi on Sunday for the Pettitte decision. When Kim Jones wants to be confrontational, she asks dumb questions and let’s the hard, valid ones slide. In the post-game, she asked him if he had any second-thoughts and then didn’t follow it up. No one did.
Okay, come on Mo, no first pitch home runs here…
This means MO cant go tomorrow big time bummer who closes?
That first base ump has been screwing the yanks all series long. He was the one who messed up the giambi call. Is it me or have the umps been bad all series long. Maybe the mafia is behind this.
Look at the pitch location on all those pitches to Abreu, every single one away. Someone must have a scouting report that he is pulling.
He can hit away too.
If Mariano issues walk No. 3 here, I wouldn’t mind.
“ed montague SUCKS..
does he live in Boston??”
— doesn’t your question contain its answer, stuart?
I take back what I said about Moose coming out in the 9th. If anyone can get Guillen out, its Mo.
I really think that keeping Duncan on the roster is a waste of a spot. They never use him and in the bottom of the 8th, Moeller was the pinch runner for Posada. I think the Yankees need a speedy runner/base stealer on the roster. I don’t know if it’s Gardner or someone else in the minors, but there has to be someone there.
If the Yankees walk off, I’m feeling the power of the ‘stache.
I hate Jose Guillen.
damn!
That is not supposed to happen!
OMG DAMMIT!!!
Can’t do anything with this guy but tip your cap.
Jesus.
what is with this guillen guy!
0-2 pitch ae you joking me what is wong with mo what a bad pitch
OMG another homerun against Rivera. Very sadddddd.
The Yankees are so stupid. SO STUPID. Why would you throw Guillen a STRIKE in an 0-2 count?
guess not
…nevermind.
who told Jose Guillen he’s Moises Alou ?
Holy crap!
(I hate Guillen)
another hr off mo
Damon bad play u could of gotten that
whatever once that call was blown at first I knew it was over
Why would you go inside there?
This is surreal.
Two days in a row.
Just walk him.
I cant see Soria giving it up again PS I hate Guillen
uuuuuugh
is this guy still on roids?
Are you serious?
Isn’t it incredible how Guillen has looked like Ty Cobb against the Yankees.
Rivera should pitch like Moyer.
First no decision for Moose this year. Maybe he should have stayed in… Two home runs given up by Rivera in three games, whoa.
johnny didnt time the jump too well, he stopped then started and ended up about 4 feet from where the ball went over, but i dont know if he could have gotten it anyway. add in the tough sun and you cant expect him to make the play.
I can’t believe the Yanks can’t get Guillen out. Even Mo.
I wonder if the Yankees have another miracle left in the bank. I hope so.
Soria to CL …oh man
2 HR against Mo in 1 series
It’s just not meant to be, can’t make something happen that’s not meant to. As hard as you try. This team isn’t meant to be success
oh no!
These home runs are not the product of Mo being bad or anything. They are solely the product of STUPID PITCHES. Saturday is a first pitch groove down the middle, today you have Guillen 0-2 and you throw him one over the plate. Does anyone behind the plate have a clue?
Guillen lives off the inside and after three pitches on the outter half they throw one inside…doesn’t make sense. Should have left Posada in to call the inning lol
Wow rivera isn’t a machine. He is human. 2 in a row. What is this world coming to!?!?!?!!
The Yankees are so stupid. SO STUPID. Why would you throw Guillen a STRIKE in an 0-2 count?
Why cause Mo doesnt miss the strike zone ever
KS,
I don’t think it was unreasonable for Girardi to leave Moose in the game for the 8th. He hadn’t thrown many pitches and his only mistake was hanging the curve ball. I think he lost some focus after and that’s how they got those additional hits. Just my opinion but I didn’t have a problem with that. He was pitching very well up to that point and had only made one mistake.
Why do they keep pitching to him?
That’s the second homerun Jose Guillen hit at 3:38pm against the Yankees.
Does Damon know its ok to climb the wall?
Guillen has come to play. We still pull it out in the bottom of the 9th.
haven’t the yankees learned not to throw anything on the inside to guillen, this is getting ridiculous
More great pitching by the Yanks letting the psycho beat you yet again..Especially 0-2..Yanks do not have any brains..Especially Mo that is just stupid stupid pitching.. You would think Mo would be smarter then that.. 0-2 right down the middle. Damon should of caught that..It wasn’t a hard play he just never got back there. Psycho has scored 2 of there 3 runs today..Makes no sense…
Unless a miracle happens like on Saturday, it’s back to .500 we go.
I just dont get it you have him 0-2 he is the only guy that can beat you and you throw that kind of an 0-2 pitch
Yea, Guillen is on roids. They showed him go into the clubhouse right before his AB and come out with a scab on his arm.
terrible location on that pitch….that should have been nowhere NEAR the strike zone ! On of his patented rising high fastballs needed to be thrown there ! DANG !…Oh, well,,,we will just have to win it in the bottom of the 9th…NEVER SAY DIE…These are the ROYALS ! WE CAN DO IT !
I believe I called that homer
Matt:
You angling to be the backup catcher or something?
Ridiculous, idiotic pitching to Guillen is why he’s hitting us, not that he’s on fire or anything. Joba hangs him a 3-2 slider yesterday when he has him set up to blow him away with a high fastball easily. Saturday they leave in Pettitte to face him and he hangs a cutter over the middle. Today they have him dead 0-2 against Mo and instead of going with a high fastball they throw him one on the inner half. WAKE UP IDIOT CATCHERS.
ok who’s up?
A-Rod
Matsui
Giambi
and IF needed…Cano
.
We are putting up a Deuce here in the bottom of the 9th and are going to pick up MO and pick up the WIN !
They came back after this happened last time. Time to do it again. Pick up Mo!!
Guillen, Manny, Rios, Cuddyer, all hitters that I wish would disappear off the earth
CB, why take that risk in this heat no less with a 39-yr-old pitcher?
90-pitches in this heat? The effect is cumulative.
It’s moot at this point anyway.
This game sickened me.
why does Rivera almost always do this in a tie game lately?
“I believe I called that homer”
Wow, congrats on your amazing ability to predict the obvious. Youre still a huge douche.
Does Damon know its ok to climb the wall?
no difference he wasn’t catching that one.
I love how people pitch around Matsui, Arod all the time even giambi now…Yanks never ever pitch around someone. It makes absolutely not sense. There is always someone in the series who the other team will not let them beat you. You really wonder if the Yanks ever have scouting meeting or even use there brains. Guillen already scored a run in the game how do you let him beat you again on an 0-2 pitch? Just amazing…
You did call it
# The Last Yankee Fanâ„¢ (a.k.a. ERâ„¢) June 9th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Anybody else think Guillen
will homer again
next inning?
Well its obvious that Mo will break down when used to much. It is unacceptable to win 2 out of 4 at home against a team like the Royals. What is their payroll ? $35 million ? And we are well over $200 million. What a disgrace.
The Last Yankee Fan,
Want a cookie?
I love the second guessing of Rivera. I’m sure Mariano has never gotten a save in his life.
I don’t see Soria blowing 2 in NY
giambi hits a walkoff. mark my word
C’mon AROD !!!!! PLEASE!
ok, these r the guys that i want at the plate right now! lets go
I think Guillen’s 8-16 with 4 homers, 2 doubles, 2 outfield assists and like 10 RBI. Jesus Christ.
Dispicable
that’s a start.
Even last year Mo did not pitch good in tied games. I remember a couple against Balt. where he gave up a 3 run homer to Huff and against Tampa.
take THAT, you loser trolls !…ALL OF YA !
well, the best the yanks can muster against KC is a split at home. that alone tells you this is not a good team and .500 is probably where they’ll settle in for the duration.
and papelbon would not throw a meatball like that to guillen.
disgraceful effort from mo and the offense.
Marry me, ARod… too bad we didn’t leave Posada in the game.
i think mo was pitching to the park, he hit it to the deepest part of the ballpark and thought it would stay in.
ill bet dave winfield cries everytime he sees one go out over there. they moved the fences in after he spent about 5 years lining balls off the wall right about there before it was moved in. (moved in 19 feet in 1985)
Steal a base get in scoring position
Phew! Great job Arod!
Godzilla…Godzilla…!
“That’s a rather hostile post on your part.
I was out all day yesterday and missed the game.”
how about the first start?
hostile wasn’t the intent, edgy was more like it.
just sticking up for those who , judging by your comment , don’t know as much as you do.
but if my tone went too far, my apologies.
“I love how people pitch around Matsui, Arod all the time even giambi now…Yanks never ever pitch around someone. It makes absolutely not sense. There is always someone in the series who the other team will not let them beat you.”
You do realize that this is Mariano Rivera pitching don’t you? Mariano frickin Rivera. He doesn’t pitch around anyone nor should he.
Arod certainly hustled on that one
Ok, everyone who called the game over before ARod’s HR then shut up, and now they’re back.
Really, doomsday ‘fans’, please go away.
Do people seriously believe that Jose Molina is telling Mariano to throw a pitch in a location that Mariano doesn’t want to?
Mariano basically calls his own game. He’s not going to throw a pitch he doesn’t want to.
It was a mistake. It happens. He wasn’t going to have an ERA under 1.0 the whole year.
I’m following this on gameday, but I’m assuming Alex hustled to first on that infield single?
I see Soria blowing a second save as more likely than Mo giving up that second homer in a tie game in a series vs. the Royals, so keep hope alive.
Mo knows it was a bad pitch
GiDP?
” Brandon (supporting “Alex being Alex”) (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 )
June 9th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
I don’t see Soria blowing 2 in NY ”
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then close your eyes, doomsdayer…because it IS going to happen !
so here’s the chance for matsui’s walkoff homer!
Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!
Don Vito,
I like your style. Any more predictions?
Guys, what the heck is going on? I had to leave for work and can’t see the game.
How good is Soria at holding runners?
HAVE to take 2nd here.
come on, we need a win to take series on a trip
I know it would of been a close play.. but why not tag?
Arod should try to steal otherwise I sense a DP.
Cmon JASON!
I still feel a win coming on!!!
damn….!
this is the first time im trying my swb yankees cap as my rally hat.
Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!
A-Rod has to go on one of these pitches
It’s ‘STACHE time…
Actually a bunt would be nice here
Come on, mustache…
“Does Damon know its ok to climb the wall?
no difference he wasn’t catching that one.”
Brandon,
It landed a foot away from the fence(on the net). If he would have gotten under the ball and climbed. It would have been caught. But its spilled milk. Lets tie this game.
A-rod should steal Soria throws alot of breaking stuff
Giambi has a great eye. Atleast you can walk and but a-rod in scoring position. PLease
soria is not going to give giambi anything to pull. not on purpose anyway
Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!
Y’s Guy,
You should wear your Charleston rally cap instead. Those guys can really hit down there.
Please god please dont say he returned the thong.
the stache is on. A single ties it.
wants no part of giambi….
robbie cano, your turn to be a hero!
Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!!
pinch run Giambi for Duncan ?
pray wild swinging Robi does something
1st pitch Cano is up game over
Alright..Tying run is a single away…
Keep it comin’..
Ok Cano.. Bad season but u can turn around right here with one swing of the bat.. Your a great hitter have confidence and take the ball the opposite way
Double steal?
Robbie, I’m begging you…
make them pay Robbie…take a pitch
Lets go Robbie
Soria isnt stupid he knows Cano is on deck and he cant hit. He will swing at the 1st pitch and either DP or pop up.
ARod steal 3rd, so a groundout to right or flyout ties it?
come on Robbie, NO Ground Out!
He feared the stache
So was that walk accidentally on purpose? To get to Cano?
Pinch runner. Double steal.
Cano’s not getting anything good to hit with Moeller and then Melky up behind him.
Double steal please!
Please no double play
i should be wearing my shamrock yankees cap but wore the swb one today
Let’s Go Yankees!!!!
i believe in robbie cano!
A hit here and all is forgiven Robbie.
I love Cano taking the first pitch….Here comes a walk off extra base hit, y’all !!!
2 great pitches. But Cano can do it.. I have confidence in this kid
Of course, he WILL have to take the bat off his shoulder for my prediction to work….
Cano is terrible
Calling Cano GIDP.
damn, almost a sliced double down the line there
Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!
And the game comes down to Chad Moeller
I think they pitched around Giambi.
okay, come on Chad Moeller!
Game over for real this time
game over
i cant believe how bad Cano is he sucks!!!!!!!
what a terrible at bat.
Come on Chad “Hit Man” Moeller, you’re our only hope.
Ofcourse Cano takes 2 pitches down the middle and swings at crap up. He is dreadful..I wish we had a pinch hitter for him. He is dumb as dirt…
damn…..up to Moeller
Will you are just wrong. Soria made some great pitches there. I am sorry he painted the outside corner three times.
And it’s up to Moeller…
This team sure knows how to tease you.
“how about the first start?
hostile wasn’t the intent, edgy was more like it.”
randy,
I understand that you enjoy playing devils advocate on the board and “pushing the envelope” so to speak.
But yes, at times you do cross the line.
And again, it’s hard to believe that you’d bring up Joba’s first start yet again.
If you are going to try to be “edgy” then don’t be lazy with your facts.
As I said before I posted 15 times in the game thread for Joba’s first start.
15 times – and you are still stuck on the idea that I’m being disingenuous?
So yes you’re intent was completely misguided as you didn’t even bother to get your facts straight.
up to moeller? this is not good.
Bases loaded for Melky.
Blah.
up to moeller? this is not good.
What a break COME ON MELKY
Sorry but you don’t let Moeller bat here.
Cano whiffed… no way!!
BUM
BE PATIENT MELKY!
HERE WE GO!
Leche!
what a stroke of luck there, no offense to moeller but ill take melky here
Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!
Double steal….make the catcher throw the ball into the left field corner and Wilson scores the winning run from first !….what ?….it COULD happen !
Lets go Melky!!!
That’s not what I meant by “Hit Man”, but we’ll take it.
I am putting on my “Got Melky?” shirt right now!
Way to take one for the team!
oh god, it’s up to Milk Man!
he took that for the team
Thank you Soria.
C’mon Melky!!!
Chances he walks in the tying run?
So not fair.
what a pathetic excuse for a mlb team.
this is what they are, folks…a boring team without much heart…and that goes for the closer, too.
damn.
I wanna kill myself that was as bad as bad gets
Terrible teams deserve to lose
what a pathetic excuse for a mlb team.
this is what they are, folks…a boring team without much heart…and that goes for the closer, too.,,
Brandon,
Way to be positive there buddy.
DAMN IT!!!
Blah. Can’t ask for them to come back every game, I guess.
damn, montague passed on the chance to even up there
back to .500, very dissappointing.
That is the inning I envisioned.. Melky comes up to bat to face the evil umpire and ends the game.. except in my vision, he won the game.
Melky swings at crap again. I cant wait until Gardner or someone replaces him in CF. He cant hit major league pitching. What an over rated fool…
what a pathetic excuse for a mlb team.
this is what they are, folks…a boring team without much heart…and that goes for the closer, too…..
.500
Disgraceful. This is a .500 team.
and there u have it
was he out ?
almost had ‘em, oh well. Oakland anyone?
Disgraceful. This is a .500 team.
Are they over-using Rivera?
How anticlimactic Oh well. Better luck next time.
Not a very smart at-bat by Melky. Make the guy throw a strike before you roll over on an outside pitch.
what a pathetic excuse for a mlb team.
this is what they are, folks…a boring team without much heart…and that goes for the closer, too!
Mark your idiot go away
“what a pathetic excuse for a mlb team.
this is what they are, folks…a boring team without much heart…and that goes for the closer, too.”
No heart. Right. I guess Thursday there was no heart there.
What about Saturday? No heart there either right.
You dumbass doomsday Yankee fans are the biggest Pieces of $hit in the world. Please go somewhere else.
1-0 count and he is swinging. Give me a break.
Terrible I really dont have the heart for this team they hurt me too much
Thats inexperience right there. Soria had control problems all inning, just walked a man and hit a man. So what does Melky do? Swings at the second pitch after ball 1? You gotta be kidding me. Soria’s walked two in the inning, Yankee Stadium, bottom of the 9th, you HAVE to at least make him throw you one strike before you even think about swinging. Terrible AB right there.
They are what they are……a .500 team. Great outing by Moose today. Lets hope we can play better in Oakland.
win, loss, win, loss, win win, loss, win, loss, loss, win, loss…………this pattern doesnt get you to the postseason
throwing games away again… awesome just lovely
A split with Kansas City at home. Enough said!!!!
i can’t believe the idots on this board blaming Mo, I’ out of here there has to be a board with sane Yankees fans on it.
“what a pathetic excuse for a mlb team.
this is what they are, folks…a boring team without much heart…and that goes for the closer, too.”
Please tell me you’re done watching them and posting here. Do the world a favor.
And back to .500.
GARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGG !!!!!
*^%^&% ^%#$@%^@&%@( @)@*^(@^&* frustrating!
Melky with a terrible at bat. Splitting a 4 game set against possibly the worst team in the American League. How much easier do you want the schedule to get? Back to .500 again after the 2 big wins the last few days.
The season isn’t over but it sure seems like it after a series like this. How many more gimme games do they get? This team is 3-4 against KC this year, that will definitely cost them big time.
Like Pete said, the American League East is begging them to get back in the race at this point. YOU HAVE TO WIN GAMES LIKE TODAY. NO EXCUSES. I’m not going to declare the season over, but this team is completely unwatchable at this point knowing that momentum means nothing and that they are so maddingly inconsistent. They should be ashamed of themselves.
I cant believe how bad of a hitter Cano has turned into the guy is my fav but man he sucks right now
Can’t wait for people to start asking “what’s wrong with Mo?”
even if Melky had been safe in the 9th, Ed Montague would have blown the call anyway.
Nice job, Yanks. You make us so proud.
“1-0 count and he is swinging. Give me a break.”
Soria was gonna walk in that run Melky is foolish for swinging.
arguably the worst team in baseball comes in on a ridiculous losing streak and splits the series with us…embarrassing is an understaement…..not to mention we could have very easily gotten swept.
oh my god. I want to break something right now. WHAT A TEASE!
I’m sorry but I hope Ed Montague gets raped by an AIDS infested junkie. WTF!!! I try not to dwell on bad calls by umps but he really really screwed us hard this series. i’m not gonna say we would have won both games but let the outcome be decided by the players, you know? what a SCUMBAG. he needs to retire from life.
I hate people like Mark they never post unless the Yanks lose
How pathetic to lose to this dreadful team. They lost simply because they allowed the psycho to beat them time and time again. Yanks never learn..Just like when they continue to pitch to Manny with 2 outs. Let Guillen hurt you again. It is kinda funny after awhile how they never learn. Atleast make a good player hurt you not that piece of garbage.
The second someone flames Mariano for anything deserves to get their pinstripes taken away.
Ignore the trolls who have nothing else to do with themselves.
The closer has no heart?
Step away from the computer for a moment and gather yourself.
You want to be upset the Yankees are a .500 team, that’s ok.
Saying Mariano Rivera has no heart? Frankly, you sound like a moron if you really believe that.
Since he “has no heart”, why don’t you propose who the Yankees should trade him for since you obviously don’t want somebody players on the team with “no heart”.
Err…
“The second someone flames Mariano for anything, they deserve to get their pinstripes taken away”
why was he even swinging on a 1-0 count with the bases loaded in the bottom of the ninth ? You HAVE to make this pitcher throw a strike,,,,does he not KNOW how many things could happen to push across the run, including a passed ball, wild pitch, balk, another Batter hit , a walk, etc. ? That is just plain stupid having him take a whack at that pitch ( unless he got the game winning hit…then it would have been a STROKE of GENIUS….right ? )
If the Yankees make it to the post season, it will only be from all the other teams blowing it, not from anything they have done.
The last 2 guys you want up in that spot are Cano and Cabrera.
Back to .500 – - – AGAIN. They can’t stand a little prosperity.
These one-game winning streaks are getting old.
Guillen wins both games for KC.
Who will be the MVP for Oakland in the next series?
No heart. Overpaid players who don’t care anymore. Blow it up and dump some of the overpaid underperformers like Arod and PEDitte.
Melky swings at crap again. I cant wait until Gardner or someone replaces him in CF. He cant hit major league pitching. What an over rated fool…
calm down your saying that like he hit vs crappy pitching Soria is a top CL in the AL, he had a 16 straight saves streak broken by us on Saturday. It just wasn’t our day, although I wish Montague wasn’t the ummpire in this series, crap happens.
I hate that’t we can’t get out of the .500 basement I mean what the hell is it w/ this number ?
again nice call by Montague…
how the F can he be out of position on the Melky play at 1st??
2 blown calls in the series byt the same MORON and guess what the Yanks lose bot h games, SHOCKING…………….
DO NOT GIVE ME THE BS it didn’t matter blah blah blah, BS.
the guy is incompetent in a league of incompetent officials..
it would have been 1st and 2nd and 0 outs………..I did not see the replay on the damon check swing but my 1st impression is he dod not swing.
the umps SUCK IN BASEBALL, I GUESS THEY SUCK IN BASKETBALL ALSO IF you saw last nights games.
Cano showed what he was made of, Soria made him look like a little child at the plate…Feeble child…He is truly a mental midget at the plate….
Not looking forward to Oakland..
They lost because ed montague stole the game from them on that blown call with melky’s bunt.
i don’t think they’re over using rivera – at least not yet. Mo is going to give up hits here and there; i’m not too concerned. But what I am concerned with are the Yanks going to him in tie games. The Yanks NEED to go shopping for another reliever asap or else the season will be for naught.
Mo Rivera is my favorite Yankee and one of my all-time favorites. But he pitched Guillen like a dumb rookie! 0-2 to the free-swingin Guillen? With Mo’s conntrol you throw at least 2 up and out of the Zone, then maybe a cutter outside.
2-2, at Home, against one of the worst Teams in Baseball. Can’t get over .500 for the 20th try. Can’t hit with RISP.
Anatomy of a .500 Team in 2008.
the Yankees suck, theeeeeeeeeeeee yankees suuck.
WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPENED? and I don’t mean that with any sense of frustration regarding what I just saw because I didn’t see anything. What happened?…please
What excuse is it now for this team? What garbage excuse are they going to come up with?
First it was the schedule with all those road games. They held their own fine considering who they played.
Then it was the injuries. Good excuse but you can’t throw away the games because of it and they fell apart, almost looked like they gave up half the time.
Now they’re healthy. What excuse is it now? They were playing the WORST TEAM in the league not named Seattle at HOME in a 4 game set. How much easier does it get than that? You have to at least win 3/4, maybe even sweep that set. The Royals had lost 11 straight road games and were 2-12 in their last 14. A split is pathetic, and inexcusable.
How are they going to make the playoffs? It’s nice to make all the rosy predictions and expect them to based on past success, but let’s be realistic. They could not win a series against the worst team in baseball possibly at home. They have the easiest part of their schedule all year and they can barely play .500 during that. They have been at .500 or within 1 game of it nearly 75% of the season. Sure, there are pitchers who can pick it up soon, but wake up: THIS IS ON THE OFFENSE. They lost 2 1-run games against one of the worst teams in baseball 2-1 and 3-2 and should have lost Saturday and lost 3/4 but somehow pulled it off.
They are an embarrassment to the fans, especially those who are being ripped off for $5.00 waters and $100.00 tickets watching this crap on the field. Shameful.
Mark..Be Quiet. Your opinion is no longer needed on the board.
This team may be what we see. 81 wins.
Especially if Cashman doesn’t do anything to improve them.
Again, a ton of people keep saying over and over that the season was doomed because of the pitching, especially because they took a chance on Hughes and Kennedy and didn’t trade for Santana.
But this team’s biggest problem has been its offense.
Simply put – if they aren’t hitting home runs they don’t score.
Can’t depend on the HR for offense. You can’t score runs consistently that way.
“How pathetic to lose to this dreadful team. They lost simply because they allowed the psycho to beat them time and time again. Yanks never learn..Just like when they continue to pitch to Manny with 2 outs. Let Guillen hurt you again. It is kinda funny after awhile how they never learn. Atleast make a good player hurt you not that piece of garbage.”
Why are you still bothering to watch them? With the way you’re complaining it’s almost like someone is forcing you to watch.
Take up a hobby. Learn how to knit or crochet. You will be a much happier person.
I make the champagne bottles pop…but the Yankees could do it in October (please, I’m dying here)
You should check out yankees.com since you have Internet access..and during the game use MLB’s Gameday to keep track of the game.
“again nice call by Montague…
how the F can he be out of position on the Melky play at 1st??
2 blown calls in the series byt the same MORON and guess what the Yanks lose bot h games, SHOCKING…………….
DO NOT GIVE ME THE BS it didn’t matter blah blah blah, BS.”
Anyone who says it didn’t matter didn’t watch the games. The guy literally stole the best chance the Yankees had to win each of those games. What a dirtbag. If I was that bad at my job I’d be standing on the unemployment line right now.
Ladybugs you always bring your closer in when at home in tie games as there is no save opportunity as you have last licks. Sort of the golden rule like why you dont bring your closer in on the road in a tie game as the home team has last licks.
People are so reactionary here it is unreal. Cant tell you how many people have posted after one loss or another that this is the worst loss ever. This one stinks, that one stinks. You know what losses happen on any given day a pitcher can be lights out . Did the team have opportunities today yes. Did Mo give up a HR and take the loss yes.It happens EVERY year and every year someone will come on and say that Mo is done and EVERY year he isnt done.
Was today’s loss bad yes it was. Is it the end of the world no.
A tough loss…thats all it is. The Yanks will go back out there tomorrow with Chien Ming Wang on the mound. Sure..he has struggled of late, but he is still Chien Ming Wang.
Kevin
That was the worst umpiring crew ever. I think it was the same guy who blew the delgado homerun call.
“Blow it up and dump some of the overpaid underperformers like Arod and PEDitte.”
??????????????
Pete, enough of this. Its time to ban people like this. I am officially for registration.
Ive been posting here for 2 years and never have I seen this board filled to capacity with IDIOTS like this comment above. Its a damn shame.
They aren’t overusing Mo. He made a bad pitch and the guy hit it out. It happens. Nobody is automatic 100% of the time.
They had a ton of chances to win the game and didn’t get the big hit.
The blown call by Montague also didn’t help.
Different inning if its first and second and nobody out.
Cano? Its what he’s done all year. Took two pitches down the middle of the plate. He then swings at a ball in the dirt and one over his head and, as he has all year, gets himself out.
There is a reason why he has gone 3 weeks and not driven in a run. He isn’t a disciplined enough hitter to do it, the league now knows it, and they will never throw him pitches to beat them anymore.
Until he learns patience at the plate, he is what he is right now as a hitter.
No one guy blew the game today. When you are a .500 team, you are what you are…..average.
Let’s see what happens on the roadtrip. If they can go 3-3, its probably the ceiling as to what can be expected from these guys right now.
Nondy
June 9th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
No heart. Overpaid players who don’t care anymore. Blow it up and dump some of the overpaid underperformers like Arod and PEDitte.
Um the Yankees didn’t lose the game because of Alex.
ED Montague, is a blind moron.. selig and his minions of morons should fine or suspend this jack ass for his display in thIS series..
tell me his 2 BLOWN CALLS DI NOT AFFECT THE OUTCOMES..
how can these umps be so friggin bad??????
“They are an embarrassment to the fans, especially those who are being ripped off for $5.00 waters and $100.00 tickets watching this crap on the field. Shameful.”
Why are you even bothering to watch? I honestly do not get it. This is not insightful baseball talk. This is moronic drivel from what sounds like a spoiled NY Yankee baseball fan. You’re an embarassment to fans. You should be ashamed of yourself for calling yourself a fan.
I want to know why we weren’t moving Jose off the plate, when he killed us all series.
Just to be clear, I’m not flaming Mo’.
Is it just my imagination or do closers, as a group, have a tougher time pitching in tie games? Seems like they are just better when they are protecting a lead.
Even speaking from a Sox perspective it goes beyond stupid to say Mo has no heart! That just isn’t right.
matt,
Maybe they will make the playoffs this year and maybe they won’t. If they won’t, guess what? The world won’t come to an end and the franchise won’t cease to exist.
Either way, when you post that Mariano Rivera has “no heart”, I don’t think how you feel is going to garner any concern on this blog.
If you don’t like the team, don’t watch them. Its really that simple.
“Meanwhile, there’s a guy at Gate A7 walking around with knee length black socks, black wingtips and white shorts.”
Peter, are you sure this guy wasn’t wearing Bermuda shorts?
I’m certainly for registration too. This board is almost unbearable after losses with trolls, ledge-jumpers, bandwagoners and other assorted riff raff. But how would registration stop them? They would just register for an account like anyone else.
A loss like this and I have to read SJ44′s critique of how bad this team is? Shoot me.
Mo giving up an HR, second time in this series, was bound to happen.
But splitting the series with KC, not a good sign.
Offense is still a funky waste, with very undisciplined at bats.
Joe Girardi and Kevin Long need to their s*** together.
Girardi made a bad move pinch running Moeller for Posada, would have changed the AB in the 9th.
Well in a tie game Mo only gave up one run.Anybody else would have given up 5 runs.Sad but true.
Today’s game was tough-luck loss. It happens. Moose did everything he was supposed to and just couldn’t get any support. The blown call by Montague may have cost the game, but that shouldn’t be the issue.
Right now, the Yankees have got to figure out Robbie Cano. Soria pitched around Giambi to get to Cano, who right now seems to be more of an automatic out than, say, Molina or Moeller.
Cano is too good a hitter for this to happen. They have got to figure something out.
When they do, this line up is nearly unstoppable.
I think the Yanks need a new 2nd basemen
its not tough luck they needed to sweep this series atleast win 3 the fact that they split a 4 game set with the Royals is a joke no way around it.
The New York Royals
raymagnetic, why don’t you post about the game then instead of flaming posters who are actually discussing the team and throwing in a comment about their frustration in watching it?
Some of you guys look at the team with rose colored glasses, thinking nothing can ever be wrong because they’re the Yankees. Will you say that if they play to the tune of a .500 season? They are in serious trouble right now, and unless they turn it around soon while the other teams are struggling as well, they will possibly not make the playoffs this year.
It’s just like how Derek Jeter can never be criticized because he’s the captain. He killed them today by not moving Damon to 3rd in the first inning in a tight game. Some of these plays are just bad plays. Cano would get bashed to no end for his failure to get a bunt down like on Thursday but if it happened to jeter like in Baltimore that 2nd game of the series, where he also, may I add, got picked off of 2nd base with A-Rod up in a tie game, he’d get a complete pass based on his name alone.
Look at the entire Guillen AB.
Good pitchers watch the swings of the hitters.
Guillen got a good rip on the cutter on the outer half of the plate to go 0-2.
Frankly, it was the right call by Mo to bust him inside. Guillen was leaning out over the plate sitting on the outside pitch.
He made the right pitch. He just put it in a bad location. That’s baseball.
Rivera has given up THREE runs all season.
If that’s not good enough to have his back after a bad game, go watch the damn Red Sox.
“A loss like this and I have to read SJ44’s critique of how bad this team is? Shoot me.”
You have the SAME post after every loss. Please, move on.
“When they do, this line up is nearly unstoppable”
That might never happen. Cano looks beyond lost and teh manager has shown no intention of sending him down or even benching him for a couple of games.
I agree Igawa Cano has a good contract money wise does anyone think a team would take him because of his plus talent and managable contract and more importantly what could we get back
“matt,
Maybe they will make the playoffs this year and maybe they won’t. If they won’t, guess what? The world won’t come to an end and the franchise won’t cease to exist.
Either way, when you post that Mariano Rivera has “no heartâ€, I don’t think how you feel is going to garner any concern on this blog.
If you don’t like the team, don’t watch them. Its really that simple.
”
Might want to read the names more carefully. That’s what Mark posted. I would never suggest that Mo had no heart, but what I am saying is that he made a stupid pitch and paid the price. He threw one over the plate to Guillen in an 0-2 count when he’s been killing them and should have gone with a high fastball, which as Joba showed, he’s susceptible to.
No, it won’t be the end of the world if they don’t make the playoffs, but what bugs me is the complacency. They’re the “Yankees” so that means they’re entitled to it, or that’s what you’d believe hearing some of these comments. The league is not a cake walk this year, they have to earn it, and so far, they have not earned it, and worse, they have blown games they should have had in hand in the process.
This was suppose to be an allstar breakout year for Robi, I’m very concern about his ABs, like I said before something has to dramatically change w/ him. BTW Montague still is as blind as a bat.
I think the Yankees need to get some new fans.
Also Mo goes through this every year, he blows 2-3 games in a row, than is solid the rest of the way. SO CHILL OUT!
Well, moron, I’m not critiquing how bad this team is.
If you could read, you would know that.
Pick another internet name and flame away.
That’s what gutless twerps do on the internet.
If you don’t like the posts, don’t read them.
They aren’t stopping because you don’t like them.
so now our boston poster(again why the hell do you post here) supports Mo.. enough.
anyone who disses Mo is a true 100% MORON so why waste your tiem with him??
again the Montague call goes where all those shoddy cra calls go nowhere, nothing done to change them the same old BS>
Montague the giambi non swing and the melky play at 1B…he sucks and is probably going for a steak and stoggie with his other overweight, old, know it all umps…
Rivera is one of the bright spots on the yankees. No one should be running him into the ground. He just made a bad pitch and he knows it. The other team is paid to hit mistakes.
I agree with SJ the Yankees are just what they are. Will they get better who knows? Everyone is a little better in the division that doesn’t send a real good signal to the Yankees for the rest of the season.
“Offense is still a funky waste, with very undisciplined at bats.
Joe Girardi and Kevin Long need to their s*** together.”
I post this almost daily but I’ll post it again because it’s fun.
Since A-Rod has returned to the lineup the Yankees are now 12-8.
They have scored 5 runs or more in 12 of the 20 games since A-Rod has been back in the lineup.
This lineup can, does and will score runs. If Rasner and Moose continue to pitch as well as they have the Yankees will win a majority of those games.
I’m far more worried about Pettitte and Wang than I am about the Yankees offense right now.
It’s a long season. In 04 the Red Sox were under .500 when they traded Nomar and look where they ended up as a team. Last year the Yankees were 40-42 at the all star break and look where they ended up as a team. Baseball is a long season. Every team is going to win 60 and lose 60 games.
If by July 15th they are still a .500 team then I’ll be worried. It’s too early in the season to be worried right now.
I guess Girardi and Long didn’t have their stuff together when they scored 6 12 and 9 runs in 3 out of the last 4 games??
“Cano is too good a hitter for this to happen. They have got to figure something out.”
Rebecca,
So far this season Cano has probably been one of the 5 worst starting players in the entire AL.
He’s really been that bad.
The first step with him is that he has to just move from horrendous to league average.
It’s not even that he’s not helping the team right now.
He’s actively hurting them. All they can do right now is wait and hope he snaps out of it.
But you’re right – he’s killing them. There’s no doubt.
If I was there at least one piece of food would have been thrown at Montague , I would pay 5 bucks for a hot dog just to pelt that blind idiot with it
jeter is having a horrible year
I hate this board sometimes.
I know some of the regulars feel me.
I will complain about Jeter.. Not only does it bother me when he does not move the runner, but the guy swings at every 1st pitch.. take a pitch once in a while…
derek has been far from terrible but he has been only OK, we need Derek to be good.
he needs to show a little more patience….
Rebecca,
You noticed that? That’s a great call on your part.
That’s something that has to be concerning for the Yankees.
I may think about putting flip flopping Giambi and Matsui in the batting order on the roadtrip in games Jorge isn’t in the lineup.
You want Giambi to get his licks while he is on this hot streak. Hitting behing Cano, we may see more teams pitch around him.
Tougher to do when Matsui is hitting behind him.
Hopefully sometime in the next century the Yanks will learn what the term pitching around someone means. Just pathetic.. Just like Manny beating them allowing Guillen to do is just laughable after awhile…
Matt,
My apologies. Meant to type mark and I messed up. Sorry about that.
why even address anyone who blames mariano for this loss, its a waste of time. they picked him up on saturday but couldnt today – that part is baseball
BUT how about sitting robbie cano for a week, is that absurd, why becasue by playing him hes going to be able to smirk his way out of this horrendous season. i have no doubt he thinks hes trying but maybe this clears his head and gets him going. can alberto gonalez play second for at least the series ve oakland ???? give it a try, at least its better then bobby and his no clue of the stirke zone – losing 2 of 4 to the royals – just disgusting…. at home no less —- yankees record vs detroit and kc — NOT GOOD
It’s such a shame that there are a few absolute idiots that bring down the discourse level of the entire blog. Drivel like “Mo has no heart”??? or the good ole mind-numblingly reatrded “it’s A-Rod’s fault” is filth and I cant even bring myself to dignify it w/an answer….sucks that I even have to read it though.
Uh, do you guys realize that this time last year we weren’t even *at* .500?
i said coming into this series that the royals were going to give them a tough time. not because i have faith in the royals but b/c the yankees are too inconsistent to ever assume they will win a series no matter the opponent.
i cant stand it when ppl post on here that the schedule’s easy and they’re gonna win 3 of 4 from this team, then 2 of 3 from that team. the yankees arent good enough to make those assumptions.
the offense has gotten better, but is still not there, and the pitching aside from moose has been pretty bad of late.
the silver lining is that the pitching should improve throughout the year as young guns come up and take theier place in the majors, lets hope the offense can continue to show some comeback ability as we move forward.
back to .500 and the climb starts all over tomorrow night and i dont want to hear any of that ‘we’ll take 2 of 3 from oakland cause they suck crap’ for this team, there is only one game: the next one.
“Montague the giambi non swing and the melky play at 1B…he sucks and is probably going for a steak and stoggie with his other overweight, old, know it all umps…”
Series and games against the Royals should not cmoe down to an umpires call. Yankees split this series because that’s what they deserved based on their play. Royals brought a far less talented lot to the Stadium and the Yanks weren’t good enough to win the series. Blaming Ed Montague and assuming the Yankees would have done something with RISP anyway ignores the real problems the team has.
The problem is the inconsistency though, in every aspect of the game. Those of you who say how they score 5 or 6 runs a game are using the stats too liberally. Look at the breakdown of it over the last 7 games:
3
5
9
1
12
6
2
So while on paper it says they’re scoring 5.4 runs per game, there were 3 games where they scored 3 or fewer, all of which they lost, including 2 by one run where the pitcher gave up only 2 runs over 7 or 8 innings. Those are the kind that you have to win. Sure, the offense has saved their butt a few times, it’s won them 2 games maybe that they should have lost, but if they were more consistent, they’d win a lot more of the close games.
They lost games in Baltimore and Minnesota as well that were either 1 or 2 run games or were that way until one big blow out kind of inning late in the game by the opponent. The inconsistency of the offense, despite the bad pitching by Pettitte and Wang, is what’s hurting the most.
Rebecca: come on now, you’re going to upset all the people on the ledge preparing to jump.
“raymagnetic, why don’t you post about the game then instead of flaming posters who are actually discussing the team and throwing in a comment about their frustration in watching it?
Some of you guys look at the team with rose colored glasses, thinking nothing can ever be wrong because they’re the Yankees. Will you say that if they play to the tune of a .500 season? They are in serious trouble right now, and unless they turn it around soon while the other teams are struggling as well, they will possibly not make the playoffs this year.”
Sorry but when you whine about how they are an embarassment to the fans it makes me wonder why anyone who thinks a team is an embarassment would continue to watch said team.
I don’t have on rose colored glasses but I’ve been watching baseball a long time and I know that after 64 games the season is not over and the team is not in serious trouble. As long as they stay in the playoff hunt they will be fine.
Jeter needs to get himself a stache and Golden Thong!
Seriously though, he seems to be having a very unJeter like year. I know he can’t always be perfect but i hope he really heats up soon.
Well, LuHud Yankee blog compatriots, due to bad timing, I’m flying out of the Bay Area tomorrow morning and will miss the entire Oakland series. Despite any momentary feelings of disappointment, I would still rather see those games in person than not.
It’s always a good time with the interlocking NY cap on at Yankee Stadium West.
Anyway, I’m going to be in Charlotte, North Carolina for the series. I don’t know if there are any LuHud readers there, but if so, let me know if you want to stay up late and catch a game, I think I know of a couple sports bars that should have it.
Shoot me for reading SJ44 after a loss. Talk about a quitter.
Who can read that pompous moron?
“Uh, do you guys realize that this time last year we weren’t even *at* .500?”
True. They were over .500. Thru 64 games last year they were 33-31.
Jeter has been really bad. I don’t remember him ever swinging as wildly as he has this year. Whenever Damon is on 1st and no one out he always hitting into a DP or swings at the 1st or 2nd pitch and pops it up. He really needs to have some more patience..his patience has really become more Cano like. With a runner on 1st no one out I would like to see him bunt the runner over because if he doesn’t then you know that the runner will not advance.
SJ: I think you have enough stalkers around here to be officially famous by now, while still remaining anonymous. Quite a feat!
Fredo: Seriously? I remember being below .500 when I saw the Yankees play the Angels in July, but maybe I’m wrong.
did you guys notice that cano came within a few feet of tying the game with that slashing drive down the left field line? its not like he doesnt have a chance at all, he did have 6 hits in the series. and he made 2 very nice plays in the field. im not saying that he’s playing at the level we have come to expect the past couple of years, but its not like he’s hopeless up there.
-Anyone who says it didn’t matter didn’t watch the games. The guy literally stole the best chance the Yankees had to win each of those games. What a dirtbag. If I was that bad at my job I’d be standing on the unemployment line right now.-
Waahhh wahhhh waaahhh,
Anyone that says this team is done has a short memory and doesn’t remember last year too well. And the year before that. And the one before that.
On the bright side, thru 64 games last year, the Yankees were 7.5 games back. This year, they’re only 7 back.
Nick in SF what do you think comes first in the 2nd guessing dept.
A) This is why Joba should be groomed to be the next CL
B) Girardi should have taken Moose out in the 7th
C) Fire Kevin Long
D) Moose needs to pitch better
always a new name with sj’s stalker.
funny, I sorta remember saying that Melky was never going to amount for nothing.. I could be wrong, but he has done nothing to prove otherwise.
I really think these guys who swing at the first pitch need to get fined.. how many times are they going to do that and fail? Way more than they succeed we all know that.
Melky is damn near peaking in his raw natural talent, maybe if he learns patience at the plate he can be a solid .280 hitter.. but for sure he is never going to be Bernie.
bring on Gardner!!!
ellen June 9th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
SJ: I think you have enough stalkers around here to be officially famous by now, while still remaining anonymous. Quite a feat!
I am pretty much convinced by now that it is SJ44 himself going back and forth with himself.
Jeter isn’t the problem with this team. He’s not even in the Top 10.
You can go chapter and verse re: the issues and they change all the time.
At the start of the season, they didn’t hit and Giambi and Damon looked done.
Now, Damon and Giambi are raking. They are hitting better as a team. Still not very good w/RISP, but better.
Their #4 and #5 starters were awful to start the year. Now, Rasner has been terrific and Joba is showing he will be fine in the rotation once his pitch counts end.
Moose has been solid.
What happens? Wang and Pettitte look lost.
Few teams have everybody firing on all cylinders all the time.
What seperates the bad teams, average teams (which the Yankees are right now) and good teams, are finding ways to win games when everybody isn’t firing on all cylinders.
Above all of it, one player hasn’t done anything all season to date. Robbie Cano.
I agree with CB, its a huge issue for the Yankees.
Unfortunately, there isn’t anything they can do about it but hope he gets it going.
There are no second basemen on the team or in the minors who can challenge the guy.
Its one reason why I wanted them to make a play for Ryan Freel. He can play second and he could push Cano. Unfortunately, Freel got hurt and won’t be available for awhile.
Its a tough spot for the Yankees. They gave Cano 30 million bucks believing he was going to be a frontline contributor to the team. Instead, he is one of the worst offensive players in the league at his position as of June 9.
Certainly unexpected given the talent he possesses.
On the bright side, thru 64 games last year, the Yankees were 7.5 games back. This year, they’re only 7 back.
Last year they had to pass real good teams. This year? Who scares anyone?
True story Rebecca. They did drift under .500 again but were .500 or better from July 6 forward.
It wasn’t Cano’s at bat that got us, it was Melky’s. Cano took 2 questionable called strikes and was forced to swing at pitches, and like someone said almost hit possibly a game winning or tying double down the line there 0-2. The first fastball was definitely off the plate that was called and the 2nd was close, but questionable.
Melky swung in a 1-0 count with the bases loaded and 2 outs against a guy who was clearly starting to nibble. That’s just a terrible approach. We keep giving them passes because they’re “young”, but how many years have they been in the majors at this point? It’s time to learn. That’s the difference between star type young talent, say a Chase Utley type, and Cano and Melky, guys who have talent but will not quite put it together because they are too inconsistent and undisciplined.
Hopefully they’ll prove me wrong, but I just don’t think those guys will ever be anything more than above average players- not stars, but serviceable, or at least until they learn how to be more disciplined.
Ellen,
Trust me, its not by design! lol
Cano’s batting over .300 since May 6th. Hard to believe but true.
SJ bashing Cano again. Who would have guessed it????
is there a reason why we MUST see JOhnny Damon interviewed after EVERY game. Does he have some sort of extra contract wtih YES where he has to appear in the post game.I mean I know he gives good quotes and all but there are other players on the team who might be interesting to talk to.
Someone suggested Mo has no heart??!!!
Whoever wrote that let me tell you you have no soul!
Ever notice how SJ44 doesn’t give his know it all stuff after wins??? Just a thought.
we are worst than last year i never thought that was possible good point fredo
“Last year they had to pass real good teams. This year? Who scares anyone?”
Red Sox are better than they are.
Who, besides the Mariners, do you figure are scared by the Yankees?
Fredo you are partly correct… explaining away bad calls saying they should not have mattered because the team should have been ahead by more etc. is true but again the unp blew the call and it affects the game.. that was a out that was undeserved.. it would have been 1st and 2nd and no outs, that is the truth.. he was also safe by over 1/2 a length really not that close ofa play….
he was also to the side of the bag he should be behind the bag, is he just the standard lazy overpaid crap official?? He looks like that to me…
again is it a coincedence the royals won 2 games and the bozo montague blew 2 calls against the yanks in the 2 games they loss.. I guess the barnett call last yr. at the play at 2B didn’t matter either!!!!!!!!!
You can’t ask Mo to go out every time and be perfect. It was a tie game, and Guillen – for whatever reason – simply had our number.
The problem with this collection of players is, was and will always be their inability to hit with runners in scoring position. Every time the team loses the board is filled with “get rid of this guy, get rid of that guy, the team has no heart.”
I don’t think it’s that the team has no heart, it just may be they have no sense of urgency.
But I would like to see a switch.
I like Melky Cabrera, but let’s face it, he should be the fourth outfielder. Brett Gardner is hitting .300 with a .415 OBP right now in AAA. Imagine him hitting in the 9th spot, which could basically give the team two leadoff hitters.
By the way, Gardner also leads the International League in steals. At this point, it seems like a reasonable change. I think the excuse that’s he’s left-handed as a reason for holding him back is ridiculous.
He just seems like the better player right now. He’s going to be 25 in August, and as Chad Jennings said on his blog – he’s ready. If the team really doesn’t consider him a viable option then trade him and try to get something useful out of him. Otherwise, you’re just wasting the kid’s career away.
“Nick in SF what do you think comes first in the 2nd guessing dept.
A) This is why Joba should be groomed to be the next CL
B) Girardi should have taken Moose out in the 7th
C) Fire Kevin Long
D) Moose needs to pitch better”
Brandon, your A, B, and C options will appeal to the obsessives about each of those issues (Joba must set up!, Girardi is the worst manager in the history of the franchise!, the guy who coached the offense to rake last year is trash this year!), so it’s a 3-sided coin flip.
Anyone who says D is just being a joker. So I’ll say it!
If Moose thinks he’s the new Ace of this squad then he has to pitch like one: don’t give up any runs!
Now we have to back off Mo for a couple of days and of course, no Joba. So who pitches in a tight game in the late innings against the A’s over the next two days ?
mark,
Why worry about me when you offer such cogent baseball commentary as:
Mariano Rivera has no heart.
Stalking me ain’t gonna change that comment pal.
If you think Rivera has no heart, yet are upset with me for calling out Cano for his awful season to date, nothing I can do about that.
You don’t like the posts, don’t read’em.
My life isn’t altered either way.
Instead of whining about the first base umpire you should be ripping Cabrera for sliding into first on the last out. There’s no way he should be sliding there. If he runs through, he at least makes it closer and has a chance to get the safe call. He deserves to be out for sliding into first base. An all-to-common awful play throughout baseball, not just Cabrera. Combined with the terrible at-bat (swinging 1-0 when the stiff on the mound can’t get anyone out), Melky is just not a heads up ballplayer. So the ump blew the call on the bunt? You are not gonna get every call. Cabrera plays like he was on the Mets.
The team is .500 because of the 7th place hitting 2b???
I get that right??
Seriously?
That is why this team is average? Because of the 7th place hitter not hitting yet?
I guess I’ve heard everything. Maybe that is why Cle, Det, sea, the Mets, Dodgers, etc are all average and below. there 7th place hitters are underachieving.
“is there a reason why we MUST see JOhnny Damon interviewed after EVERY game…”
Not only that, he’s also always shirtless:-)
the bashing of Cano is warranted. he has been the biggest disappointment for the offense all yr. his #’s are terrible.. he deserves the grief he has been awful this year.
he has 4 HR’s and is hitting 230 and is beyond bad in the clutch.. he is terrible when it counts that is undeniable look at the stats..
Cno almost never gets a big hit, is anyone really suprised Soria made him look foolish??? Melky had been a much better contributor this year then Cano, that is undeniable….
Damon and Giambi have turned things around , Jeter is playing below expectations but not remotely as bad as Cano, so Cano deserves the grief he has earned it….
I will say this to start. I h ave not seen Brett Gardener play in person just read about him. So dont jump down my throat with what I am about to say.
Can he play as good a CF as Melky??
He can do well in AAA but can he do it in the majors?? My understanding is that he did not do too well.
Yes it would be great to have someone up here with the speed he has but not having seem him (and maybe someone who does see him regularly can comment). Is he better than Melky because if he is just going to be the 5th outfielder are you wasting him (Gardner) for a pinch run every now and again
Considering I didn’t say that, SJ. I’ll live. It was probably you posting from one of your 12 names.
“As I said before I posted 15 times in the game thread for Joba’s first start.”‘
cb-
you’ve said you didn’t comment for the 2nd game. how many times in the first game when he was pitching in that first inning or second? maybe once at the end?
we can officially agree to disagree.
as i said, i’m just sticking up for people that you say jumped on the bandwagon today.
funny how you like to make your own snarky comments , but don’t like it when it’s turned back on you.
but don’t take that as hostile, just slightly annoyed by hypocrisy .
Since A-Rod has returned to the lineup the Yankees are now 12-8.
They have scored 5 runs or more in 12 of the 20 games since A-Rod has been back in the lineup
Doesn’t matter, look at who they have played and how the bats have produced. They are still too up and down.
Today’s loss doesn’t bother me so much that they lost, but more because they seem to find these lulls with their hitting. Picking and choosing when to hit is not qualities of a champion. They need to come out firing, bury teams like this. Being 2 hit by an average pitcher will happen but it is more of a theme with this team over the past 2 years.
My point is proven by Melky’s last AB. Bases loaded, you have an 1-0 pitch and you are swinging???? Take a freakin strike, not pull an Cano. How do you know that if you take a pitch or 3 the pitcher doesn’t throw a wild pitch, or you walk or there is a balk… too much can happen and these hitters are only helping pitchers right now instead and making them work.
“Girardi made a bad move pinch running Moeller for Posada, would have changed the AB in the 9th.”
It was the most solid move Joe G. could make at the time…considering the limited bench he has been given. Pinchrunning for the slow footed Posada was a good move. The only other option Girardi had was Duncan..and he still would not have allowed Posada to catch the 9th. As it was, Moeller got on base to force the bases loaded. Melky could have been more selective in that abat.
As I said, it certainly looks like a .500 Team this year. I say that with no malice, just disappointment. I’ve watched and rooted for the Yankees since the Late 50s, through some very bad teams. But this Team has many high-priced stars, so the expectations are much much higher, at least with me. That said, this is the most I’ve ever been disappointed in a Yankee Team. This Team has a core of players that’s built to win right now. But they also have many flaws, that could have/should have been fixable during the off season.
Their biggest failures have been on offense – not being selective with pitches, failure to move runners into scoring position and hit with RISP.
Still a Yankee Fan, just a disappointed one this year.
Aren’t we all glad we kept Melky this past off season??
The answer was trading Melky in the off season and getting another top flight starter in here.
cabrera sliding into 1st is a head shaker.. it is a stupid play and we have been moaning about it when he does it for 2 years.
since melky and I am not on speaking terms I have no clue why he continues to do that moronic play… it is moronic but he was out on the last play regardless of his idiotic slide….
Mark:
I am defending SJ44 here. I have been here a long, long time and have read his commentaries after losses, wins, off seasons, ties, floods, hurricanes, terrorist attacks and outbreaks of the plague.
Translation for you, because you seem to have the mental capacity of a 6 year old. SJ44 is here day in, day out. Not just after losses.
So seriously, get a life, move on and get off this board. its people like you, Yu Darvish and ER, as to why I am 100% for registration now. You ruin the experience for the rest of us.
Mark,
I’ll make a deal with you. E-mail Pete and ask him if I post under other names. He has all the IP addresses and it will be easy to check.
I have never posted under any other name on this blog.
If you want to throw it out there that I do, prove it.
Its easy to do. Ask Pete.
Something tells me, we can’t say the same about you.
Fredo: Thanks man!
Dude, whoever says Rivera has no heart: did you see him SCREAM after the home run?
If there’s anything about the Yankees I’ve noticed in the past week, it’s they’re playing with heart again. How else can you explain Thursday or Saturday?
I don’t know how much of it is getting A-Rod and Posada back, but I refuse to believe that has nothing to do with it.
I agree Sudakis. Sliding feet first into first base is a terrible play, they tell you that even from little league. Sliding into first base makes you get their later, not earlier, and it would have been less than a half of a step he would have been out by had he actually ran through the bag. Maybe Montague blows it to make up for the other call, you never know. But to slide into first makes it a guarantee that you’re out.
Like I said, the difference between a star and a raw talent who will not reach the level of stardom. Discipline. Sliding into first base and hacking away like that in a 1-0 count are just two very undisciplined plays in 2 big spots, and he almost got himself ejected after Montague blew the call, which would have been a bad team play with no outfielders on the bench besides Duncan.
Online beef is extremely cheesy why cant everyone just agree or disagree with as comment not talk about it for hours and exchange virtual blows in a public forum thats so weak
The Yanks are really frustrating all of us, but to say they have no heart is pure idiosy. Probably the worst at bat of the game came in the first inning with Jeter. If he gets Damon over to third, Damon scores easily on Abreu’s drive to deep center field. Does anyone who can pass a drug test think Jeter wasn’t trying?
The Yanks are losing games to the Mariners, Orioles and Royals of the world because they are playing very inconsistent baseball. It’s a rare day when both their offense and pitching performs well in the same game even against weak opponents. They have about till the end of July to turn this around completely. If not, things could get ugly.That’s the bad news.
The good news is that today was only the 4th time this year that the Yankees fielded their best lineup. I dare say that over the last 98 games, barring injury, this lineup will dominate games. Also, with only 6 road games in July, the Yanks should be in position to make their move.
Having said that, I’ll now go back to silently cursing Robinson Cano.
randy l, you are way off your game today. You’re sticking up for people? Huh?
I am not an expert on every CB (or SJ44) post about Joba, but at no time do I recall him ever writing that Joba would pitch like Tom Seaver in his prime in his first start. Or in his first season starting. Or even ever.
CB posted a comment from Joba’s first start in which he was realistically critical about how Joba was pitching.
So what on earth are you talking about?
Thanks Dr. Cox.
I wasn’t around much over the weekend because I was in Tampa watching McAllister and Garcia pitch and in Miami to watch the deciding game between Miami and Arizona last night.
I will be in Omaha for the CWS and probably won’t be around too much regardless of the results of the games.
The outcome of the games do not decide whether or not I post.
I think it was pretty obvious that Melky should have made him throw a strike. We all get it.
what are Mo’s stats this season when he appears in tie ballgames?
those would be a good test of his “heart” since there is no margin for error and you give up a run and the game is lost.
DR. COX – It doesnt matter if I have to register I will still be here I will never leave I have just as much of a right to post as you do trying to regulate a public forum is being a nazi and quite frankly you have no power in this forum that is up to pete and lohud to decide I will be here until the end of time i promise!
mattingly is on mike and the mad dog right now. check out his sweet chain…
SJ44:
What do you do? I know its been said here before, but I myself am trying to break into the sporting industry. Im getting my Master’s in Sports Business Management now. Would love to get your email address and pick your brain.
Heres Yu again and the beef continues….
Get some kind of registration here. Even though why does Lohud care? It will take away from their hits if people have to register.
The guy gave up 3 runs all season and you are seriously questioning his heart?
Something tells me he has more heart than you. May not be saying much, just sayin’…….
Right now imo Gardner is better then Melky in all aspects. If you go by Baseball Prospectus regular translation EQA Melky entering today’s game is at .268 compared to Gardner’s .298 which is to a difference to big to ignore.
diablo cody, I think you did a great job writing “Juno” even though teenagers don’t talk like that, but you’re a little off on Mo.
?DR. COX – It doesnt matter if I have to register I will still be here I will never leave I have just as much of a right to post as you do trying to regulate a public forum is being a nazi and quite frankly you have no power in this forum that is up to pete and lohud to decide I will be here until the end of time i promise!?
But do you Really, REALLY promise??
I love reading SJ44′s thoughts and opinions even if they are usually very pessimistic and defeatist. Post away SJ.
Rebecca, Fredo is right, I tracked all the wins and losses this year and last, they were 33-31 last year. After winning the next two they lost 9 of 11 to get to 37-41, the take off point for the season.
Dr Cox is SJ44. ALl his “defenders” sound exactly alike. Why is that???
It’s hard to take when you lose 2 of 4 to a minor league team at home. Where’s the Yankee pride?
“what are Mo’s stats this season when he appears in tie ballgames?”
Mo Rivera is the best Closer – regular season and Post Season – EVER! The man is going to the Hall of Fame. That’ll tell you how much heart he has!
Please! Anyone that questions Mo Rivera’s “heart” doesn’t know and understand baseball!
Dr. Cox,
Semi-retired now. Still have a few clients I do business with on a consulting basis. Mostly during the fall (football) season. Baseball, while a business for me for many years, is just a passion for me now. I was in the Sports Law field for the past #$#$ (I’m getting old so I don’t want to give my age away! lol) years.
We’ll have to figure out a way to exchange e-mail addresses in a safe manner. I talk to students all the time about getting into the business. Would be happy to do with it with you down the line.
Perhaps we can do it through Pete after the roadtrip.
I am unemployed and live with my cat in a basement apartment I promise I REALLY have nothing else better to do than to say my piece on here all day all night every waking minute ILL BE HERE SO ENJOY MY PRESENCE!
“What do you do? I know its been said here before, but I myself am trying to break into the sporting industry. Im getting my Master’s in Sports Business Management now. Would love to get your email address and pick your brain.”
Exactly what this place is becoming. A juvenile place for kids with big mouths and lack of decorum.
I think Joe needs to ask for a speedy guy off the bench.
SJ44:
I agree. Dont want the crazies on the board emailing you. Im sure if you talk to Pete, you can get my email address through him and we can do it that way.
I appreciate it, though.
SJ what was Garcia’s velocity
Cox,
You should really make SJ buy you dinner before you put out.
It’s still early. Yankees will be in the playoffs. Don’t forget, last year they didn’t go over .500 to stay until June 13. Although they did have a manager who had a winning big-league record, I guess the manager and Joba will be the determiing factors. When the Rays fold it will be a matter of can other teams like Cleveland get it together.
Exactly what this place is becoming. A juvenile place for kids with big mouths and lack of decorum.
Relax buddy. Im not a kid. Besides, a wise business man once said, “everywhere you go is a networking event.”
Why should an internet forum be any different?
Last year as of this date ..the Yankees were 29/31 …they weren’t over .500. It’s very easy to look up the facts instead of saying something that isn’t true. They were also 10 1/2 back behind the Sox.
I can’t believe fans who are only fans when they win …fans who don’t stick by the team when they lose. I can only imagine what these fans would have been like through the 80′s …believe me ..it wasn’t pretty. Of course if the team goes on a win streak the naysayers will be at the top with the rah rah rah’s …saying how all along they knew this team was going to pull it out. Why do fans KNOCK their own teams ..I can never understand that. You have a right to be disappointed but win or lose a true fan stands behind their team especially through the hard times.
Go Yankees 2008 !!!
No one hijacks this board quite like SJ44. You come for Pete’s writing and news and you end reading about some argument that SJ44 is in. Fantastic stuff.
what a disgusting loss. god, i’m frustrated that this team cannot put together a 5 out of 6, or 8 out of 9 streak. Cano and Cabrera’s at-bats are what’s wrong. Cano is perpetually in an 0-2 hole, if he’s not popping to left on the first pitch.
Yu you sound a bit of a loser and if Dr. Cox is really using other names to defend himself then he is weird too
Just go to MLB.com and go to the standings …the year 2007 …it’s that easy to figure it out..
Go Yankees 2008 !!
Anyone still going to school is a kid. Too many kids here. That is why there is no class or decorum and it has run most of the sensible people off. No one wants to deal with a bunch of kids calling people “buddy” or far worse.
Brandon,
91-92. He pitched ok, not great. You can tell he’s been away for awhile. He just needs to work at pitching competitively again. He’s a bit stale and it showed in his outing.
Great talent, just raw.
McAllister was VERY impressive. Big kid, throws 91-93, with good movement, solid breaking ball, and pinpoint location. His father was a scout for the Diamondbacks for years and it shows in how he attacks hitters. He really has a clue on how to pitch. I was very impressed with his outing.
SJ: You might want to be careful about giving out your email address–think there are a few people here that’d be interested…
“banner June 9th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Cox,
You should really make SJ buy you dinner before you put out.”
LOL
whoops … meant to type JULY 13 as over .500 for good. and then they easily won the wild card.
send this bum down, bring up gardner.
or trade gardner.
stop sitting on your ass, cashman. you’re paid to make this team better.
Rebecca:
I agree we are going to go through Pete.
Fred: And what about those of us in grad school? Old enough to drink, gamble, die in Iraq and go to the big people’s jail. Still kids?
Rebecca,
Don’t worry, I’d never do it on here. lol
u people should know by now not to come here after a loss or u will experience the sj44 negative brigade
Yanksgal, the dates don’t matter, it’s the record after the same amount of games which is necessary to make a fair comparison.
getting harder and harder to come in here and discuss baseball with knowlegable fans. i will refrain from commenting on the commenters b/c that only makes it worse.
i likely wont be around for the late games, ill end up watching on tivo.
wednesday ill be going to see alfredo aceves pitch for trenton, ill post what i see here also update on ajax, tabata and maybe ill get to see melancon one time (always miss him)
to the baseball fans, dont let the idiots chase you away we need you here.
off to work, p/o
To reach 90 wins…
Yanks need to go 58-40 the rest of the way, which is on track with the 62-42 I posted earlier last week. (Since that date, Yanks have gone 4-2.)
We’re going to experience bumps in the road. What this team needs is enough 4-5 games winning streaks to pad that W column enough for when these types of games occur.
Keep the faith. Wait, the Sox used that one. How about – Better Things to Come?
yeah, let’s talk about kids who are 5 years away from the majors.
“Dr. Cox June 9th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Rebecca:
I agree we are going to go through Pete.”
Dude leave Pete alone he spends all his time covering a pro ball club he cant be worried about setting you and SJ on a date
fred, im 48, a navy veteran and going to school, can i be a kid, too?
ok i couldnt resist a parting shot!
anyone see the video of that Russian office worker that goes completely beserk, hits a female co-worker with a computer monitor, grabs an axe and completely destroys the place?
thats how I feel when I watch the yankees lose to the worst baseball team in the past 20 years(not sure if thats true, but it seems like the royals havent been good since brett was on the team).
Yes, Rebecca. Still kids. Anyone who still has mommy and daddy paying their way and not working are kids.
Soldiers aren’t in school are they?
And just because one is old enough to drink doesn’t mean they are adult. Check this board for that example.
Oh please stop Yu its getting annoying if Cox wants to harass pete to be his medium who cares!
Watch the yanks once and you’ll see that they just aren’t a very fun team to follow.
This is not going to be a swell season root for NY, imo.
I don’t think they’ll lose 10 in a row to tank the season quickly. More than likely, they’ll be falling slowly until they’re mathematically eliminated.
“Dude leave Pete alone he spends all his time covering a pro ball club he cant be worried about setting you and SJ on a date”
Aww, its fun to ride the cotails of someone who posts a better insult than you, isn’t it?
you’re reaching, buddy.
Are there clowns here actually questioning Mariano Rivera? What a bunch of babies.
“Dude leave Pete alone he spends all his time covering a pro ball club he cant be worried about setting you and SJ on a date”
LOL!
Pete has nothing better to do than set SJ up and handle all his problems.
Thanks SJ I’ve been interested to hear where thier velocity is at this time of year.
yeah, let’s talk about kids who are 5 years away from the majors.
I guess you have never experienced this board and the fact that most people want all the vets gone and the kids brought up to win 75 games.
Ok ..I was going by the date as I believe Rebecca was too. I am still tired of hearing all the complaints when there is still plenty of season left. As Jeter says …”that’s why you play 162 games”
Go Yankees 2008 !!!
“Aww, its fun to ride the cotails of someone who posts a better insult than you, isn’t it?”
At least spell coattails right before you insult someone. Maybe you do need SJ. Or they haven’t got that far in school yet Coxy?
Cotails? That was an original idea you are being a total loser asking Pete to help you and SJ trade numbers like hes a chaperone at a school dance you guys are adults handle it yourselves
“This board is almost unbearable after losses with trolls, ledge-jumpers, bandwagoners and other assorted riff raff.”
I’ll always read Pete’s posts but it’s getting harder and harder to read the game threads. Every game thread ends up in “fights” and intentionally ridiculous or antagonistic posts.
If not registration, there needs to be something (blocked user lists?).
Tough loss. Ugh! They need to win series.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Mission 2708
June 9th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Uh, do you guys realize that this time last year we weren’t even *at* .500?
Believe it or not through 64 Yanks were 33-31 and 8.5 games back last year and in SECOND PLACE . This year through 64 games they are 32-32, 7 games back and in last place. The Yanks are actaully doing worse than last year.
JOEL SHERMAN IS AN IDIOT. SAYS TO TRADE MATSUI, TABATA, A.GONZALEZ FOR JON SANCHEZ & RANDY WINN!!!!
http://tinyurl.com/6zkfeb
It’s hysteria around here when a loss occurs. It’s like its the end of the world..
stop the caps lock comments
I am going out to buy my cat some tender vittles you enjoy your tutorial with SJ Cox hope you learn lots of new and exciting stuff!
Just another bad loss. We can’t get anything going.
“Watch the yanks once and you’ll see that they just aren’t a very fun team to follow.
This is not going to be a swell season root for NY, imo.”
Yeah, it was no fun at all watching that Giambi walk off HR or Damon’s walk off double.
No fun at all.
“randy l, you are way off your game today.”
nick in sf-
now how would you know that? are you some kind of authority of some kind? i hate to tell you ,but if you are, it’s not in baseball. you are funny sometimes. i’ll give you that.
you’re right that i’m taking on a certain faction of the blog that was dogmatically for hughes, kennedy , and joba. you guys deserve to be tweaked a bit.
the artful dodger moves of moving on as if you knew all along how it would go is a joke.
same for your compatriots.
i think we’re simply representing two different schools of thought. factions as you will. kind of like the old management set up that never didn’t make it to the playoffs.
Ive only been coming here for a few weeks but the Darvish/Cox battle is epic
“Watch the yanks once and you’ll see that they just aren’t a very fun team to follow”
What kind of person says this but continues to watch them anyway? hmmm…
I’m watching this tribute to Jim Mckay. Apparently, there actually exists a journalist with integrity. The words that described him were humanistic and with integrity. Those are two words that rarely describe a journalist. During and after the Munich disaster, he sounded upset unlike good ol’ Neil Everett of ESPN when Sean Taylor was murdered, he still had to start Sportscenter with his tag line ‘Hows it’
Al from BK,
except only one of them would pass a high school equivalency test.
A real fan Boston Dave. I know, I know, there arent many true Red Sox fans, at least for 86 years.
“Ive only been coming here for a few weeks but the Darvish/Cox battle is epic”
This isnt a battle. If anyone remember the Fleas/Flam battle a few months ago now THAT was a battle.
That went on for weeks.
Chicago Bears waive Cedric Benson.
It’s about time. That guy is pitiful.
What call did Montague blow today?
Listen, to teams like the Royals playing the Yanks is thier World Series. Remember the Devil Rays always played us well and that was when they were awful. It happens. Yanks will rebound on this trip.
Red Sox fan,
I know… it’s just that reading all the whining and bitching in here gets tiring. I listened to EEI pre-2004 and it wasn’t much different. I guess I’m naive to think that all Yankee fans could at least lean on the side of optimism every once in a while considering they’ve been a decent team (aside from not winning the WS in a bit) for the past 12 seasons.
NYY:
It’s not the Yankees doing worse. It’s everyone else doing better.
i’m not a fan of the Melkman, but to say Gardner is better is pure idiocy. Comparing minor league #’s to MLB #’s is insane.Just look at our 4 and 5th starters #’s in the minors. But the Cano / Melkman has got to be broken up they spend more time chasing R&C’s and skirts.I’ve heard that they both will be gone next year.
from rotoworld:
“Mussina was denied his 10th victory. Perhaps things would have turned out differently if not for the single worst call at first base we’ve seen this year, courtesy of Ed Montague. In a tie game in the bottom of the eighth, Melky Cabrera dropped down a bunt with a man on first and none out and was practically past the bag by the time the throw got to first, yet Montague called him out, causing Cabrera to spike his helmet.”
NYY
Believe it or not through 64 Yanks were 33-31 and 8.5 games back last year and in SECOND PLACE . This year through 64 games they are 32-32, 7 games back and in last place. The Yanks are actaully doing worse than last year.
Nope, at this time last year would be June 9, 2007. Rebecca was right. The Yanks were 29-31 and 10.5 games out in the AL East.
randy l, the only thing I’m an authority on in this case is how I react to posts I read on here. When I said that you were off your game, what I meant was, I think you’re generally a very solid poster and often make good points (as well as often rebutting bad points).
But today you seem to be going after certain people for things they never said about Joba, and in your most recent post you widened your scope considerably to make it about the three rookie pitchers in general. Fine, objecting to that approach is perfectly reasonable.
But thinking it was a mistake to start the season with two rookies and later on to move a third into the rotation is a far cry from what you have been saying today, which is that some mythical people on this blog had predicted that Joba would be lights-out unhittable in his first starts and that these same people were hypocrites.
So if inventing phony arguments to swat down is just a form of “tweaking”, you have my apologies, I didn’t know that’s what you were up to.
And I still support moving Joba to the rotation, even if he hasn’t thrown a perfect game there yet.
“This isnt a battle. If anyone remember the Fleas/Flam battle a few months ago now THAT was a battle.”
That was freakin hillarious!! No the security guards didnt look like that. I think it ended with one of them saying they were behind the xmas tree watching Joba.
I was trying to promote a pay per view
FLAN vs.FLEAS match.
SJ:
Why engage the trolls? Or the people that obviously don’t like you? You apparently have a history in law, I presume you have a tough skin. Just ignore them! Its beneath you to argue with idiot, lurking trolls.
You always tell them to skip your posts if they don’t like ‘em. Just skip theirs. I’d rather read your opinions on baseball than you bickering with, as you call them, morons.
Just my opinion. I value yours. I’d rather read your baseball thoughts and observations than you ‘keyboard brawling’ with every idiot north of Connecticut!
The best part of the FLAM FLEAS fight was when one had to go into a meeting in an odd hour of the day 11:37(something like that).
randy l is quickly approaching “troll” territory with most of his comments. Initially I thought his posts were just stupid, now its getting to the point where his entire purpose is to “tweak” those of us that don’t agree with him.
Yanks will at least take the Wild Card this year. No competition. Rays will falter. Oakland, nope. Two favorites heading into the season the Tribe and Tigers have played worse than the Yanks.
It’d be different if there were a couple hot teams ripping of W’s and pulling away from the Yanks, but it’s not happening.
Boston Dave,
I have to include you in the epic battles vs. 113. Those were heated and i might say entertaining.
Hey, will the league go after Melky for throwing his helmet?
Things can always get worse.
“But the Cano / Melkman has got to be broken up they spend more time chasing R&C’s and skirts.”
I guess you are who you hang out with. They are both hard heads. One cant lay off first pitch. The other cant get to first without sliding there. Might not be a bad idea.
Everyone gets into battles with 113.
He is the only poster here who actually posts racist comments.
There have been some awesome battles in here…
Flam/fleas
Darvish/Cox
Trisha/everyone
Now looks like Nick in SF and Randy are lacing up the gloves.
I love this place after a loss.
‘The sky is falling! The sky is falling!’
Heck yeah, SOS. Boston Dave is never afraid to throw down. Him and I went tag team against Trisha on opening day. That was fun!
Just out of curiosity, what are R&C’s in regards to Cano and Melky chasing after them.
BB77,
Amen to the post on sj.
“Him and I went tag team against Trisha on opening day.”
I recall the Wang is not an Ace arguement. Trisha had the whole blog against her.
why can’t I comment.
RUM AND COKES
test
No name, thanks.
Ill try this again.
At least with the success Mussinas having. We no longer have to see posts from anti mussina. I guess he kept his end of the deal.
“randy l is quickly approaching “troll†territory with most of his comments.”
If you don’t agree with the majority in here ie the “regulars” who post 24 hrs a day you are automatically a troll it seems. Real nice.
teahen actually has a batting aveage over 260
my pleasure
“Meanwhile, there’s a guy at Gate A7 walking around with knee length black socks, black wingtips and white shorts.”
Hope you said: “Hello Mr. Steinbrenner!”
You know, it’s a shame, I’ve not been involved in any epic battles. Though I have called out a couple, and then felt bad afterwards.
Speaking of Wang: He’s our ace, or suppose to be, so what the heck gives with his last five starts?
I recall the Wang is not an Ace arguement. Trisha had the whole blog against her.
Not to rehash, but she said that Wang is an inconsistent starter. Obviously everyone countered with his stats the previous 2 years and how that is far from inconsistent. Trisha is looking to be right this year though. Wang might still win 19 games or more but he has been awfully inconsistent.
career average of 270 actually
At least with the success Mussinas having. We no longer have to see posts from anti mussina. I guess he kept his end of the deal.
I’m pretty sure he got himself banned
‘And I still support moving Joba to the rotation, even if he hasn’t thrown a perfect game there yet.”
nick in sf-
i actually think it’s a no brainer to have joba as a starter. my reservations are how they are doing it.
yeah it was an expanded argument. and the problem with that is…?
” Initially I thought his posts were just stupid”- patrick
seriously patrick. get a life.
Yeah, Wang is not an ace, and cheering for KC over the Tigers b/c the Tigers are a threat to the Yankees.
I was all, ‘hello, the Royals are a threat too!’ and she went bonkers. Then a debate raged for hours over who had the better lineup ‘ON PAPER (!)’, the NYY or DET.
Silliness. Obviously, everyone always can’t get along. I try to not take bait from trolls, but if a regular starts going all ‘chicken little’ (to use one of my favorite SJ44 phrases
), I rise to the battle.
Otherwise, I like to hang in the shadows and watch the melee. I guess it comes from being a bartender for so many years. Used to watching the crazy drunks throw haymakers from behind three feet of cherry, while the linebacker bouncers break ‘em up.
I think Wang has proved he’s not an Ace this year. That argument is silly.
Why do people question SJ, so much?
I don’t post often, but when I do, I am usually looking for SJs’ insight. I do not know what everyones’ intentions are here, but IMO he actually brings something to the table when he posts, whether you like it or not, while some people just crap on the Yankees after a loss or try to come up with crazy ideas on how to fix this team.
As I’ve stated before in my limited posts, this team is in a transition, look at what is going on around this team, they are promoting from within and there will be a lot of growing pains with this transition.
IMO, this team has a good chance to make the playoffs, which is all you can ask for, never mind when a team is in transition period. If Wang and Andy can straighten themselves out this team will win around 90 games, which should be enough to make it.
Bad loss, but it happens.
seriously patrick. get a life.
Seriously randy. Get a clue.
” I guess it comes from being a bartender for so many years. Used to watching the crazy drunks throw haymakers from behind three feet of cherry, while the linebacker bouncers break ‘em up.”
You wouldnt happen to have worked in 113th’s bar?
What epic battles? It is just SJ arguing with everyone.
i cosign with patrick randys posts are exceptionally dry with no substantial evidence to support his claim hes become quite the pest these days.
Vader’s post makes me 99% sure that it is one guy as SJ44 posting back ans forth and defending himself at the same time. Get a life.
“I think Wang has proved he’s not an Ace this year. That argument is silly.”
So has Beckett.
Mike Franseca June 9th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
i cosign with patrick randys posts are exceptionally dry with no substantial evidence to support his claim hes become quite the pest these days.
Patrick can’t even spell Francesa’s name right when he posts under other names.
“If you don’t agree with the majority in here ie the “regulars†who post 24 hrs a day you are automatically a troll it seems. Real nice.”
thanks david ny-
i appreciate the back up. that’s kind of my point that there has been almost a consensus on the blog that the younger and cheaper philosophy of cashman is the only way to go .
if this is questioned, a certain faction attacks in numbers. i figure there’s no way i’m going to be intimidated in any baseball argument so why not oppose the status quo on the youth movement question?
i mean the team is a .500 team with this younger and cheaper approach. no one is supposed to question that.
i don’t think so.
this isn’t their blog.
“You wouldnt happen to have worked in 113th’s bar?”
LOL… I went to Emerson College in Boston. I worked at Whisky’s on Boylston Street and Charlie Flynn’s on Tremont. I was a Yankees fans caught deep in the Lion’s Den.
Now I run a bar in coastal Maine, where I grew up.
Been a Yankees fan since Donnie Baseball’s rookie year, when I was 10 and started watching baseball, so many decades ago.
S.o.S.27 June 9th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
“I think Wang has proved he’s not an Ace this year. That argument is silly.â€
So has Beckett.
I guess forgetting his October last year and in 2003 is okay then by your argument?
I hate imbeciles.
Rebecca,
As you know, CMW overall is a very good pitcher. He’s going threw a bad stretch right now with his arm angle.
I’ll be willng to place bets that by the end of this season Joba and CMW will be as good of a 1 -2 punch as any team in the league has. Let’s just hope it happens before they fall out of contention.
threw = through. Call it a Freudian slip lol
Patrick can’t even spell Francesa’s name right when he posts under other names.
That was not me… I think I’ve posted around here long enough for people to realize I wouldn’t do something like that. I actively disagree with a lot of things said by “regular” posters but I would never disrespect them by pretending to agree with myself.
I’ve noticed that too randy l.
Like most of the regulars here would be real happy if they had a bad record and got a high draft pick next year instead of making the playoffs.
They would rather see 20 young guys making the min even if those guys weren’t as good.
Bret Gardner or Damon? Most here would take Gardner which is crazy.
Goes back to the Santana question which is a valid question especially with how bad Hughes and Kennedy look and how average Melky is. If you say here that it was a mistake not to get Johan Santana you get every “regular” out of the woodwork calling you a troll and every other name in the book.
Or if you say it was wrong to move Joba when you had no backup plan for the pen you get the regulars all steamed.
S.o.S.27 June 9th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
“I think Wang has proved he’s not an Ace this year. That argument is silly.â€
So has Beckett.
Please stop embarrassing yourself. I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
randy l,
I sympathize with what your saying “that there has been almost a consensus on the blog that the younger and cheaper philosophy of cashman is the only way to go.”
This year’s team can and should, compete for a World Championship. I’m like you, not convinced they shouldnt explore other ways to ensure that they are competitive. It makes no sense to me when the Yanks have Jeter and ARod at ages 32 and 33 to NOT go for it all. A lot of folks here over value Yankee farmhands.
Even Melky, IMO, is over rated. I love the kid but accept him for what he is… a darn good outfielder and a very average hitter. Can you win with him? Sure , you can. Is he untouchable? Not for one New York minute.
Wang is good but I think anyone with a brain realizes he’s no Beckett. Hence why Joba is in the rotation now. Because we need a Beckett.
Darvish is back in town fed my cat wheres Cox did he meet up with Pete and SJ in Oakland for some coffee talk
I’m still optimistic about Wang. Not giving up yet.
In other news, did anyone else see Steve Jobs’s demo of the new iphone today using the NYY/KC game? That was super cool:-)
Oh god no the return of YU
Bri Guy,
I guess winning more games in the last 2 years and having an era under 3.7 isnt ace enough for you. My post was responding to your well thought out post. Go find a sox blog to post on moron.
It would be nice if Wanger threw a gem tomorrow night
Im a noob but even I cant stand trolls like Yu and others like him
You do realize you can go young and compete for a championship at the same time if you do things right. But that would entail them trading some of these prospects for now major leaguers which is why you have a good farm system.
Not every one of these guys in the minors will be a major leaguer. Decide who you think is the cream of the crop. Hold onto them. Make moves with the others.
Whats the downside? You supposedly have a top 5 system with even more help on the way and the way you are collecting talent it won’t go down anytime soon. So trade some to help the big league club out.
There comes a point where GM’s overvalue their own kids a little much.
Hughes looks like that guy. Don’t get me started with Kennedy who looks like a bad Rasner.
I like Shermans ideas. Think out of the box. This team has a shot to win a title this year if they make the right additions.
patrick( the good one?) -
i’m not the anonymous poster here like you are.
i’m the one who has transparency.
anyone who wants to click on my username can look at exactly who i am .
that’s me at age 40.
people can make up their own mind who’s had some experience in this game and who hasn’t.
S.o.S.27 June 9th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Bri Guy,
I guess winning more games in the last 2 years and having an era under 3.7 isnt ace enough for you. My post was responding to your well thought out post. Go find a sox blog to post on moron.
His last two years were great. But they weren’t ace like. Aces don’t get shelled in two playoff starts. Aces strike out hitters. Aces are Josh Beckett. I’ll laugh off the “moron” line and the Sox fan line.
Some Yankee fans can’t take the truth.
If the Yanks had Beckett last year they win #27.
Wow – it’s got to be the heat. The heat and the loss, I guess.
From day to day, even inning to inning, various players are either heroes or goats. This place is such a roller coaster I’m thinking of swallowing some dramamine before reading next time!
It is disheartening that the Yankees can’t seem to get anything going this season, can’t build from one win to the next game. Today Moose pitched beautifully save for one pitch. You can sure be disappointed that Mariano gave up a homerun, but how can anyone call him out? Melky’s got really good numbers this year with driving in runs. I wish he wouldn’t slide head first into first base, either, but it doesn’t make him a lousy player overall. Many people here are so given to extremes, there’s no gray area here.
randy l -
We were having some discussion this morning about Joba and what people’s expectations were for him as a starter. I seriously, seriously doubt that anyone here who’s followed baseball for longer than 5 years would expect him to come out lights out from the beginning. But I am sure that there are some people who thought he would dominate from the start. I’m a pragmatic person. I also believe people can hope for the best and even express what they hope, but have the deeper realization that it is a hope.
More important is that the season does not end today. We shall see what we shall see. Listen, you want to take 3/4 from the Royals, but 2/4 is better than 1/4 or 0/4. Gotta move on. Gotta keep hoping for the best. In the last week I’ve seen some things that I didn’t like, but I’ve also seem some things that give me hope that there is a turn-around possibility for this team. As a fan, you have to keep hoping.
But it does no good to “call people out” for what they hoped would happen. And frankly, I’m really bothered by the “I told you so people” who pat themselves on the back in posts saying things like, “I ALWAYS knew Giambi would turn it around. I am allowed to root for him now; anyone who thought he was terrible is not allowed to enjoy his current success.” That’s just baloney. We all want the Yankees to do well. We all get disappointed when they don’t.
I’m sorry if this came across as a rant. I didn’t really mean it to. It just saddens me that some of the long-timers here are now being snarky with each other. There is room for everyone’s opinion as long as we respect one another. And frankly, you can be 100% right about something today in baseball and by the end of the next game be 100% wrong. It’s the nature of the beast.
Interesting how most of the trouble stops when SJ stops posting. Not saying anything like he posts under 45 dif names but it is thought provoking.
I think the yankees shouldent consider themselves to be contenders. btw if one yankee fan knows who iam talking about in my name handle i will drop dead right now
ps cosign with patrick
randy l, nothing wrong with expanding your argument, but better to do so in a way that makes sense. If you’re angry or in disagreement about A, why go after people for fabricated statements about B?
This whole place is snarky. You can’t say a comment without the snark coming at you from all angles from the so called regulars.
Paulio,
Agreed with your premise, but respectfully disagree about Hughes and your shot at Rasner. Kennedy is a perfect example of someone that had high trade value after last season and has little trade value now. There are very few legitimate position prospects in the system. The Yanks are going to have to work the trade routes carefully with their pitching prospects.
Todays game made it very apparent that the Yanks need another 2b I say trade cano for a bullpen guy preferrably set up caliber and maybe a minor league prospect and deal with Alberto Gonzalez at 2b he wont make any errors ill deal with the hitting at least hed tyry to work a count and then in the offseason we pick up Orlando Hudson or someone starter quality to play 2b
“Aces don’t get shelled in two playoff starts. Aces strike out hitters.”
So let me get this straight. If they are not perfect in the playoffs and win. They are not aces. O.k. i got it. Lets add these guys to the not ace list.
C.C.
Carmona
Santana
Lackey
Johnson with the Astros
Peavy
Prior
Woods
Clemens
Did i miss anyone?
SoS27 -
Going back a long time, no other than Tom Seaver lost the first game of ’69 World Series to the Orioles. Just sayin.
Al,
It’s hard to judge Cano on his last 200 at bats when his first 1,500 were so good. But I understand and share your frustration with him. The kid is an immense talent that is not hitting nearly to his potential. It’s too early to give up on him though.
snarky snarky bo barky
Sorry..everyone just seems to be in a mood.
Doreen,
I cant believe he made the H.O.F. with him not being an ace and all. Gotta go. Hope we win tomorrow with our 5th starter Wang on the mound.
You know, depending on where you decide the rotation starts, everyone is a 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 starter!
I hate west coast road trips. Can never stay up to the end. Maybe that’ll be a good thing.
Who am I kidding? West coast road trips — I can’t even stay awake for the beginning!!!
Griffey hit #600
congrats
is there anyone on this board that ever thought that moose would rise to the occasion like he has thus far? he’s one player i did not expect to see anything special from this season. honestly, i figured him to finish around 8-12, so every win since 9 has been a bonus for me, (sorry mike). i don’t know how long it will last but i am enjoying every last out he gets.
i always knew he could be an amazing “head” pitcher and i think he’s finally fully embraced it. he’s been a favorite of mine since he played for the O’s and its nice to see him succeed in the twilight of his career.
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE!!!!!
SJ44,
Garcia is one of the prospects that I’m really excited about. He’s probably a year or so away but from what I read he has the best pure stuff in the system outside of Joba. His fastball was 93-95 and hit 97 pre-injury and has the best curve in the org. Also I heard a plus change with great mechanics. He just needs lost of time but from what I read he has frontline starter stuff. What are your thoughts?