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		<title>By: Joe Monte</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/10/yankees-seek-deal-with-seventh-rounder/comment-page-2/#comment-385484</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Monte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gardner should be getting the call to the big leagues right now.  Carrying 3 catchers is a real problem and until they can be completely comfortable w/ Posada and Molina as the only catchers on the active roster, Gardner will probably be in Scranton.  Gardner is left-handed and they want to keep Duncan as another right-handed bat on the bench, even though he has been rarely used since Betemit has come back from his injury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gardner should be getting the call to the big leagues right now.  Carrying 3 catchers is a real problem and until they can be completely comfortable w/ Posada and Molina as the only catchers on the active roster, Gardner will probably be in Scranton.  Gardner is left-handed and they want to keep Duncan as another right-handed bat on the bench, even though he has been rarely used since Betemit has come back from his injury.</p>
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		<title>By: Espresso</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/10/yankees-seek-deal-with-seventh-rounder/comment-page-2/#comment-385477</link>
		<dc:creator>Espresso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is why take away playing time from a guy is producing as asked? Is it just to put some speed on the bench? That doesn&#039;t make a lot of sense. 

Compare Melky to some other names out there.

   Melky    Ichiro      Rios
xbh 13       19          15
RBI 27       17          25
HR  6         3           3
so  30       25          59
OPS .708    .733        .708</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is why take away playing time from a guy is producing as asked? Is it just to put some speed on the bench? That doesn&#8217;t make a lot of sense. </p>
<p>Compare Melky to some other names out there.</p>
<p>   Melky    Ichiro      Rios<br />
xbh 13       19          15<br />
RBI 27       17          25<br />
HR  6         3           3<br />
so  30       25          59<br />
OPS .708    .733        .708</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick (the good one)</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/10/yankees-seek-deal-with-seventh-rounder/comment-page-2/#comment-385412</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick (the good one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SJ you are completely missing the point. I am not blaming Melky for the team being at .500. Nobody expects every position to be an all-star. Melky is what he is, a slightly below average hitter, a great fielder, average speed on the basepaths. I don&#039;t want him DFA&#039;d or sent down or put on the DL with a phantom injury (all things people have suggested earlier today).

I simply think that Brett Gardner can help the Yankee bench and to get him enough at-bat&#039;s I&#039;d platoon him with Melky. I think that Gardner could offer the team equal or better production from the CF spot and a lot greater production off the bench.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SJ you are completely missing the point. I am not blaming Melky for the team being at .500. Nobody expects every position to be an all-star. Melky is what he is, a slightly below average hitter, a great fielder, average speed on the basepaths. I don&#8217;t want him DFA&#8217;d or sent down or put on the DL with a phantom injury (all things people have suggested earlier today).</p>
<p>I simply think that Brett Gardner can help the Yankee bench and to get him enough at-bat&#8217;s I&#8217;d platoon him with Melky. I think that Gardner could offer the team equal or better production from the CF spot and a lot greater production off the bench.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerkface</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/10/yankees-seek-deal-with-seventh-rounder/comment-page-2/#comment-385406</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerkface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not even arguing that Melky should be benched or replaced, but your delusion that upgrading at CF isn&#039;t necessary or would not help is ridiculous.

He doesn&#039;t get on base, He doesn&#039;t hit for power.  What does he do?  NOTHING.  He brings nothing but defense in centerfield to the table.

But you know what?  Robinson Cano brings BETTER second base defense to the table, and we have outfielders who can catch.

Cano-Molina-Melky = automatic inning over.

Julio Lugo for the red sox has a worse OPS+ than Melky, but one key area he is winning in is OBP.  He gets OBP .360.  

If Melky could do that, if he was a singles hitter who got on base 36% of the time, it would be acceptable.

But he isn&#039;t, and he doesn&#039;t. 

And we could theoretically upgrade there.  If we upgrade at CF, then Cano is the new #9 hitter.  Then we don&#039;t have to worry about him, because he is the number 9 hitter, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not even arguing that Melky should be benched or replaced, but your delusion that upgrading at CF isn&#8217;t necessary or would not help is ridiculous.</p>
<p>He doesn&#8217;t get on base, He doesn&#8217;t hit for power.  What does he do?  NOTHING.  He brings nothing but defense in centerfield to the table.</p>
<p>But you know what?  Robinson Cano brings BETTER second base defense to the table, and we have outfielders who can catch.</p>
<p>Cano-Molina-Melky = automatic inning over.</p>
<p>Julio Lugo for the red sox has a worse OPS+ than Melky, but one key area he is winning in is OBP.  He gets OBP .360.  </p>
<p>If Melky could do that, if he was a singles hitter who got on base 36% of the time, it would be acceptable.</p>
<p>But he isn&#8217;t, and he doesn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>And we could theoretically upgrade there.  If we upgrade at CF, then Cano is the new #9 hitter.  Then we don&#8217;t have to worry about him, because he is the number 9 hitter, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick (the good one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick (the good one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Because your move, Gardner for Melky, doesnâ€™t necessarily improve the team.&quot;

Well, maybe not. But you can&#039;t tell me with 100% certainty that it wouldn&#039;t help the team. Maybe it won&#039;t improve the team but how will we know if Cashman doesn&#039;t try it out? The alternative is to continue having a wasted roster spot in Shelley Duncan. So call up Gardner for a week or two, see if he can improve the team. If not, call up someone else.

&quot;The worst hitter on the team this year has been Robinson Cano. Its not even close.&quot;

Agreed but what does that have to do with Melky?

&quot;Taking Melky out of the lineup isnâ€™t going to make the team better unless the real problems with the team (starting pitching, hitting W/RISP) are solved.&quot;

Those are the larger problems but why can&#039;t we look in other places to improve the team? Some believe (myself included) that Gardner platooning with Melky will improve the team. Gardner brings more speed, a legitimate fourth outfielder and the ability to get on base. Melky has a better arm, comparable range and probably a slightly better bat. I think both players can help this team and to me it isn&#039;t a question of one or the other; I want both.

&quot;Its just making a move to make a move and I donâ€™t think thatâ€™s going to happen. Nor should it.&quot;

No its not, I have laid out very explicitly why I think Gardner can help the team and what role he would play if he were called up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because your move, Gardner for Melky, doesnâ€™t necessarily improve the team.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, maybe not. But you can&#8217;t tell me with 100% certainty that it wouldn&#8217;t help the team. Maybe it won&#8217;t improve the team but how will we know if Cashman doesn&#8217;t try it out? The alternative is to continue having a wasted roster spot in Shelley Duncan. So call up Gardner for a week or two, see if he can improve the team. If not, call up someone else.</p>
<p>&#8220;The worst hitter on the team this year has been Robinson Cano. Its not even close.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed but what does that have to do with Melky?</p>
<p>&#8220;Taking Melky out of the lineup isnâ€™t going to make the team better unless the real problems with the team (starting pitching, hitting W/RISP) are solved.&#8221;</p>
<p>Those are the larger problems but why can&#8217;t we look in other places to improve the team? Some believe (myself included) that Gardner platooning with Melky will improve the team. Gardner brings more speed, a legitimate fourth outfielder and the ability to get on base. Melky has a better arm, comparable range and probably a slightly better bat. I think both players can help this team and to me it isn&#8217;t a question of one or the other; I want both.</p>
<p>&#8220;Its just making a move to make a move and I donâ€™t think thatâ€™s going to happen. Nor should it.&#8221;</p>
<p>No its not, I have laid out very explicitly why I think Gardner can help the team and what role he would play if he were called up.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ44</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJ44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Melky the fall guy?  Do you really think on a team full of all stars, Melky Cabrera is the problem?

How many teams in baseball have 9 great hitters in their lineup?  Nobody.

The Red Sox, Rays, White Sox, and Angels, the teams that would be in the playoffs if the season ended today, sure don&#039;t.

It seems to me you want to make Melky the fall guy in order to find a reason why he shouldn&#039;t be playing.

The reality is, if the Yankees need Melky Cabrera to be a Top 3 offensive CF this year, their season is over.

Its not the way the team is built.

Damon, Jeter, Giambi, Arod, Abreu, Matsui, Posada, Cano (when he was an effective offensive player), that&#039;s not enough offense for you?

Their problem isn&#039;t because the #9 hitter isn&#039;t hitting the way stat freaks want him to hit.

Their problem is, their starting pitching is erratic at best and they don&#039;t hit with RISP.  That&#039;s on the entire offense.  Not just Melky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Melky the fall guy?  Do you really think on a team full of all stars, Melky Cabrera is the problem?</p>
<p>How many teams in baseball have 9 great hitters in their lineup?  Nobody.</p>
<p>The Red Sox, Rays, White Sox, and Angels, the teams that would be in the playoffs if the season ended today, sure don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It seems to me you want to make Melky the fall guy in order to find a reason why he shouldn&#8217;t be playing.</p>
<p>The reality is, if the Yankees need Melky Cabrera to be a Top 3 offensive CF this year, their season is over.</p>
<p>Its not the way the team is built.</p>
<p>Damon, Jeter, Giambi, Arod, Abreu, Matsui, Posada, Cano (when he was an effective offensive player), that&#8217;s not enough offense for you?</p>
<p>Their problem isn&#8217;t because the #9 hitter isn&#8217;t hitting the way stat freaks want him to hit.</p>
<p>Their problem is, their starting pitching is erratic at best and they don&#8217;t hit with RISP.  That&#8217;s on the entire offense.  Not just Melky.</p>
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		<title>By: randyhater</title>
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		<dc:creator>randyhater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop with the Bret Gardner delusions.  The kid has Miguel Cairo&#039;s power, Shelly Duncan&#039;s stikeouts, and Johnny Damon&#039;s arm.  He&#039;s Bubba Crosby with less pop and more speed.  If he&#039;s very, very, very lucky he&#039;ll get a few years in the league as a fifth outfielder/pinch-runner.

Melky&#039;s been fine and his numbers will improve as the year goes on, same as Cano.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop with the Bret Gardner delusions.  The kid has Miguel Cairo&#8217;s power, Shelly Duncan&#8217;s stikeouts, and Johnny Damon&#8217;s arm.  He&#8217;s Bubba Crosby with less pop and more speed.  If he&#8217;s very, very, very lucky he&#8217;ll get a few years in the league as a fifth outfielder/pinch-runner.</p>
<p>Melky&#8217;s been fine and his numbers will improve as the year goes on, same as Cano.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerkface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerkface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Melky doesnâ€™t have to hit for power for this team. He has to get on base and turn over the lineup. Thatâ€™s his job as a #9 hitter.&quot;

No major league hitter should have an IsoP as bad I posted in his line.  Thats putrid.  I don&#039;t expect him to be Barry Bonds, but he needs to hit doubles and an occasional HR.  We can&#039;t have a slap hitter who won&#039;t get on base in the 9 hole.

He also is not getting on base or turning the line up over, so I don&#039;t know what your point is there.

Melky is showing zero offensive tools at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Melky doesnâ€™t have to hit for power for this team. He has to get on base and turn over the lineup. Thatâ€™s his job as a #9 hitter.&#8221;</p>
<p>No major league hitter should have an IsoP as bad I posted in his line.  Thats putrid.  I don&#8217;t expect him to be Barry Bonds, but he needs to hit doubles and an occasional HR.  We can&#8217;t have a slap hitter who won&#8217;t get on base in the 9 hole.</p>
<p>He also is not getting on base or turning the line up over, so I don&#8217;t know what your point is there.</p>
<p>Melky is showing zero offensive tools at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerkface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerkface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So no team has 9 good hitters?  Why does that mean the yankees can&#039;t have 9 good hitters? or 9 average hitters?  Why can&#039;t we have a CFer who is good at hitting?  Or takes a good approach to batting?

Why is melky immune?  Why is a less than .700 OPS(which is where he is trending) acceptable?  Why should we ignore the fact that he isn&#039;t walking?  

Melky&#039;s BB% hasn&#039;t improved, his k% has gone up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So no team has 9 good hitters?  Why does that mean the yankees can&#8217;t have 9 good hitters? or 9 average hitters?  Why can&#8217;t we have a CFer who is good at hitting?  Or takes a good approach to batting?</p>
<p>Why is melky immune?  Why is a less than .700 OPS(which is where he is trending) acceptable?  Why should we ignore the fact that he isn&#8217;t walking?  </p>
<p>Melky&#8217;s BB% hasn&#8217;t improved, his k% has gone up</p>
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		<title>By: randy l</title>
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		<dc:creator>randy l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The #9 hitter on the team isnâ€™t the problem with the team.&quot;

i agree.

melky is what the yankees were looking for. he&#039;s younger and cheaper and gives them  the financial flexibility to spend elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The #9 hitter on the team isnâ€™t the problem with the team.&#8221;</p>
<p>i agree.</p>
<p>melky is what the yankees were looking for. he&#8217;s younger and cheaper and gives them  the financial flexibility to spend elsewhere.</p>
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