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Yeah, very well played.
Just posted on the previous thread.
A few days back, CB and some others were claiming that Girardi is no different from Torre and he is too loyal to the veterans and doing nothing different. I said give him time.
Alright let us see what happened yesterday. Girardi removed Posada in a double switch and put Molina in for defense. He did not pander to Posada and leave him there. Not only that, he stated to media exactly why he did it. it worked out well as MOlina threw out the runner stealing 2B.
Bottomline is Girardi is much different from Torre, he already showed that with the use of the bullpen. Torre would have never given 8th innning to Veras, well Veras would not be on the big club with Torre after he gave those walks in one of the games. Also, yesterday Torre would have burned out Mo, insted of sticking with Veras and then Kyle (I know many hate him!).
Unfortunately, team did not have good record and it curtailed Girardi’s ability to take some calculated risks. Hopefully, the team will play well and win in these NL parks and give Girardi some breathing room to be himself as a manager.
The double switch is just one example of Girardi using his NL background to an advantage.
Haha, very good.
Yes. Torre won more games with much the same team.
And Torre (rightly) didn’t trust Farnsworth as much as Girardi does. Torre didn’t have a personal issue with Britton. Girardi has been occasionally dreadful with the media (and, importantly, thus also the fans). Torre handled the media better than anyone (and thats a big deal psychologically for the players too in NY).
I will give Girardi the benefit of the doubt for a season or two. But I am totally unimpressed so far. He has much to learn. His results speak for themselves.
It isn’t Girardi’s fault the team isn’t winning. He managed good yesterday and the Yanks could only score two runs, one against Chacon who sucks other than his 2006 with the Yanks
You can’t give Girardi less credit for the team just being abyssmal at the plate.
So now they want to trade Hughes, Kennedy, and others for Arroyo. RIDICULOUS! Yes, let’s trade everyone we have at their lowest point of value. Good thing I think the Yankees FO just does the opposite of what M&MD says on their show.
Uh, Jessica, that wasn’t a transcript. That was somebody making a funny comment.
Girardi really deserves credit for replacing Posada with Molina in the late innings (a defensive replacement). Molina throwing out Wiggington in the 9th could have been the difference in the game and we saw that Posada was not able to throw out any runners at second.
“Yes. Torre won more games with much the same team.”
Really? Go back and check the results last year at this time.
In my entry, I never compared about who is better. That is a dynamic topic as both have supporters adn detractors.
I was making specific reference to commnets about his managing style relative to Torre.
Jessica, I think that was a joke. I don’t know how he would have had the transcript for June 16th anyways.
LOL! Very funny. Need to add in the word scenario or element in there somewhere. But A+!
Eric Va—actually on friday they WERE talking about how the yanks should get Arroyo
.
pathetic, huh?
Hey Pete! You were just on TV, in the background of the YES network show Yankees on Deck. Brian Hoch was showing one of the kids how to be a beat reporter and you walked right by. Now you are even more famous!
“Torre didn’t have a personal issue with Britton.”
How do you explain, last year Britton was brought up and sent back a few times without even making an appearance?
I think Francessa has mentioned the Yanks should get Arroyo pretty much everyday lately.
He has some weird man-love for him
Drayton McLane vs King George? Who runs a better team?
http://www.chron.com/disp/stor.....37295.html
“How do you explain, last year Britton was brought up and sent back a few times without even making an appearance?”
If it was personal, then IDK why Girardi would treat Britton the exact same way. He’s just a journeyman reliever. I wouldn’t get too worked up over him.
I saw him a fair amount b/c the O’s are on TV down here. My overall impression is “eh”
The double switch may have been the best and most underrated move of the game last night.
Chacon hasn’t been “terrible” this year, he has 9 quality starts out of 14. He’s not going to win the Cy Young, but he’s far from bad.
Holy crap, that post is absolutely perfect. As a regular watcher on YES, who half the time wants to break the screen with their Joba points, this poster nailed them. It’s almost worth printing this out just to see what they actually say come Monday.
looking at the Cubs’ turnaround (worse NL record in 2006), Cash shoulda listened to Big Stein and signed Piniella in 2006.
“looking at the Cubs’ turnaround (worse NL record in 2006), Cash shoulda listened to Big Stein and signed Piniella in 2006.”
As a bench coach or first terminate Torre’s contract (the last extension he signed covered ‘05 to ‘07) and then hire Piniella as manager?
great article by Richard Justice..
thanks..
draft picks and Latin signings arre where the yanks should spend like drunken sailors, FA signings are generally speaking bad bets…
http://www.roto-world.com/2007.....-told.html
It’s hilarious, but showing more classlessness by Boston.
“My overall impression is “eh—
Ok. But all he’s done is get outs everywhere he pitches. He doesn’t have overpowering stuff, but on a team that’s been struggling to find solid middle relievers for years, it never made any sense that vets and retreads would continue to get opportunities over a guy who’s gotten the job done pretty well no matter where he’s been.
that was hysterical! Had me laughing out loud
Someone care to explain why he double switched instead of just replacing posada with molina and leaving the pitcher in the 9 hole? Only reason I can come up with is Girardi didn’t want Molina to bat 7tt in the lineup before the pinch hitter.
The Torre bashing cracks me up. Oh, a double switch. Genuis. Obviously he wanted to drop Molina lower down so a better hitter (Damon as it turned out) could be higher in ther order, And Posada has a sore shoulder and they were running all over him.
As for Mo, when did Torre use him 5 out of 6 days (not games, days) last year?
The Yankees have run less, sacrificed less and hit and run less than they did last year. Managing is very overrated, be it Torre, Girardi or anybody else. If you’re starter does well and the offense hits, you’re a good manager.
Ryan,
Just to make you mad.
I’m a regular M&MD listener… and I totally loved that post. Had them down to a tee.
Especially the “say something funny mike” bit.
Some Dodger fans are not happy with Torre. Get this. One fan called up a national show on espn radio and said (gasp!), “Torre can only win with a $200M team”.
We know that’s not true, but we’ve all thought it once. Or twice.
Emobacca is pretty funny, all his or her posts are great!
Love the pimple comment on Lincecum’s butt.
Buddy,
Very funny. But I think s/he meant an abscess on Clemens’ butt.
That was a very funny comment. Sounded just like the dog and Mike.
Kudos to the author, the only thing missing were
1) Francesa’s IDEA-RS
and
2) Dog saying, “Say somethin funny Mike.” and with JO-BA Chamberlain, maybe the Yankees “caught lightening in a bottle.”
Oh, I missed that. Sorry, ignore #2.
WoW. Doc getting hit HARD. Blew through everyone the first time around (including ex-mate Reed Johnson). Then gave up a run and then a 3-run shot to Johnson. All with 2 outs.
Hmm, a 7.2 earthquake hit northern Japan earlier…
and postponed today’s game between the Yomiuri Giants and the Rakuten Eagles
First I’ve heard of earthquakes postponing baseball (which…kinda surprises me that I haven’t heard of games in California postponed by earthquakes)
Wow. 7.2 is BIG. Thats the size that hit Northridge, CA.
Now that was funny
Blargh,
Wasn’t there a quake during a WS being played by the Giants?
I must say, kudos to these ‘rival team’ evaluators who are giving us such valuable advice through the totally impartial ESPN media giant.
I mean, I can hear the partying on ‘famous baseball street named after former owner’ as ‘rival team’ execs celebrate the Yankees having, potentially, a bona fide Ace to match ‘rival team’s number one starter with celebrated postseason history.’ And they’ve got to be loving the fact that, since Joba will be pitching every five days instead of every one or two days, he’s far less likely to blow his arm out after two years.
Yet ‘rival team’s’ well-paid evaluators are more than willing to end the celebration by pointing out what a big mistake the Yankees are making, therefore giving immeasurable help to a team that’s continued failure enhances their own personal livelihood. Thank you, ‘rival team’ evaluators! I hope our team takes your well-intended advice to heart! God Bless!
“First I’ve heard of earthquakes postponing baseball”
What about the Series in the late 80s? It was at least some playoff games that had to be postponed. In Oakland? Right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_World_Series
Yeah, the Loma Prieta quake postponed games for 10 days during the 89 series between the Giants and the A’s.
Pete, I totally agree with your criticism of Girardi but I wish you guys in the press would challenge Girardi more on his management of the starting rotation.
1) June 6th Rasner throws 120 pitches in the heat and gets rocked in his next outing on June 12th.
2) June 7th Pettitte is allowed to pitch into the 7th inning on a brutally hot day and Guillen crushes him for a grand-slam after hammering him all day.
3) June 9th Mussina pitches into the 8th inning on another brutally hot day. (Don’t be surprise if he get rocked tonight)
4) June 10 Girardi removes the Wanger after his best outing in a month with one out in the 8th inning after he’s only accumulated 83 pitches.
Complain all you want about Torre’s management of the bullpen. Girardi hasn’t distinguished himself in this regard either.
“kinda surprises me that I haven’t heard of games in California postponed by earthquakes”
1989 World Series featured an earthquake induced postponement. Pretty sure both Oakland and San Fran were in California in 1989.
Pete,
It is really unbeleivable how defensive you get when there is some discusison about Torre.
I do not think any one has criticised Torre in these chains. The reference to overuse of bullpen arms is a fact which yourself stated a few times.
Look, the comments you make about Girardi are much worse than the comments bloggers made here about Torre.
That was really funny.. .LMAO…. For ppl who don’t listen to M&MD, this is the same stuff we go through day after day.. Two armchair managers who self promote themselves and never admit their mistakes and yell at callers who disagree with them…
“1989 World Series featured an earthquake induced postponement.”
I can actually remember seeing it on TV. It was really, really weird. It happened during the warmup for game 3, so the cameras were all there, and the feeds were live and everything.
“It is really unbeleivable how defensive you get when there is some discusison about Torre.”
I don’t know that I see it as defensive, so much as pointing out how people look so hard for ways to see differences when, really…they’re not ALL that different. I do think that Joe G has shown more willingness to give guys like Veras and Edwar and Ollie a shot.
Kill,
This is from espn power rankings: “Darrell Rasner is winless in his past four starts (0-4 with a 5.09 ERA), and has allowed 31 hits in 23 innings in that span.”
Imagine that. Torre overprotecting his starters and Girardi overprotecting the pen!
Although my biggest complaint about Torre was that he never, ever let his pitchers work their own way out. Sometimes pitchers (even vets) need to do that in order to grow as a pitcher.
whozat what’s your take on Veras, mines is for the first time I liked what I saw from him. When you steam roll Tejada, Berkman and Lee…
, that was showing me something. Too bad we had to live threw watching Krazy Kyle in the 9th WTF happened there ?
This from the Great Buster Brown Olney.
“Nonetheless, an evaluator with a rival team who has seen Chamberlain recently thinks he would make more impact as a set-up man, or eventually, as a closer. I asked the evaluator for an e-mail assessment, and this was his response: “He has a good arm, but it is straight and the hitter picks up the ball. Slider is decent, but doesn’t control it well enough, yet. I think he would be a lot more valuable as set-up or eventually a closer. If he is throwing 180 innings a year, his velocity will come down much more quickly.”
May Joba make this so-called talent evaluator eat his words.
Well, that shows how familiar I am with pre-2000’s baseball
Thanks for the link, reading up on it now
“I don’t know that I see it as defensive, so much as pointing out how people look so hard for ways to see differences when, really…they’re not ALL that different. I do think that Joe G has shown more willingness to give guys like Veras and Edwar and Ollie a shot.”
First I agree with you about the comments on Girardi. Regarding defensiveness I referreed to, see Pete’ entry in the blog comments. Here is the first statement there.
“The Torre bashing cracks me up. Oh, a double switch. Genuis.”
There was no bashing of Torre. Just some civil discussion going on unlike what happens many times here. And, the double switch did help win the game. Yet, undermine it and do not give any credit to Girardi for it.
“watching Krazy Kyle in the 9th WTF happened there ?”
Mo’d pitched 5 of the last 6 days.
“whozat what’s your take on Veras, mines is for the first time I liked what I saw from him.”
When he commands, he’s great. When he doesn’t, he walks a lot of people. If he can consistently command his stuff, LOTS OF YUM. If he can’t…well, as long as he can minimize the damage of any walks he gives up, then he could be solid.
Mel,
You know, I’m starting to wonder whether there was some truth, after all, to the Flordia media’s criticism that Girardi destroyed the arms of the Marlins’ pitchers.
I don’t blame him for Josh Johnson but I’m beginning to doubt that the Baseball Gods just have to have unleashed this aberrant rash of injuries on the Marlins’ starters while Girardi was manager.
Johnson, Sanchez, Nolasco.
Then too, in multiple game, I recall Girardi failing to remove Dontrelle Willis where greater caution would have commended it.
“Imagine that. Torre overprotecting his starters and Girardi overprotecting the pen!”
I don’t think it was really that. Rasner had two great starts , one hideous start, and one poor start in his last four…The Twins game, he was doing OK and then just couldn’t get out of the 6th. It happens. He’s the 5th starter. Expecting brilliance is unrealistic
I think that he’ll do ok tonight as long as he can locate on the inside corner again. Otherwise, they’ll take him the other way like the A’s and he’ll be toast. And he’s gotta not let Berkman beat him.
And by tonight, I mean tomorrow or whenever he pitches. Is it tonight? Or is it Moose tonight? I forget, because I’m dumb and I did some whippits yesterday.
With Rasner coming down to earth with his last few starts, how do you see our starting rotation shaping up come August? IPK should be back in a couple of week and Hughes some time in August. Which five from belowwill be in the rotation?
Wang, Pettitte, Mussina, Joba, Rasner, IPK, Hughes, some one else from minors? A trade?
CC Sabathia anyone? This would make Yankees team to beat in my opinion.
What would you guys give for him?
“You know, I’m starting to wonder whether there was some truth, after all, to the Flordia media’s criticism that Girardi destroyed the arms of the Marlins’ pitchers.”
He’s only let guys go really deep once or twice. Rasner had a high count once, and Andy a couple times. But Joe T did that with Andy last year too.
I dunno…I think there’ll be a pretty clear mandate that Joba’s “not on a pitch count” but that he should never EVER crack 110. I’m not really worried about the other guys’ arms.
“What would you guys give for him?”
Check back through the threads over the last several days. We’ve beaten it to death.
“What would you guys give for him?”
Crabs.
CC Sabathia anyone? This would make Yankees team to beat in my opinion.
What would you guys give for him?
I’m Sabathia’d out already. It’s been a few days I said already I wouldn’t touch him till the offseason.
“With Rasner coming down to earth with his last few starts, how do you see our starting rotation shaping up come August?”
I think it’s a little much to say that he’s coming down to earth. He’s just regressing back to his expected performance…league average-ish. He’s a 5th starter…if he eats innings to the tune of a 4.50 ERA, that’s fine as far as I’m concerned.
If Ian or Hughes is in the minors showing that he could maybe be better than that, and/or Rasner starting getting banged around like he did in Oakland on a regular basis…then you maybe make a move.
That was hilarious and very well written. Great stuff.
With Rasner coming down to earth with his last few starts, how do you see our starting rotation shaping up come August?
Coming down to earth ? he’s had one bad start, the Minny game doesn’t count (that had to be the worst strikes to ball misses by an umpire I have ever seen in my life) and how about him going 8 IP the start before Oak ? He’s really had 1 bad start, which is the Oak game.
Terrific game all around for Joba, especially with the economy of pitches, but I’d hold off on the “I told you so” stuff until we’ve seen more than one solid effort from Veras.
Granted, he was lights out last night and maybe he’s ready to step forward. But it’s a long season and we’re gonna need multiple guys not named Mo to pitch consistenly well in tight spots. Even if Veras becomes dependable, it seems like the current strategy is have the starters go deeper and count on Kyle as the back-up closer. Does anyone really believe that will work?
I love the “Phil Use” line… much like the name Mar-Teenis
The other thing we’re missing from the M&MD bit is “c’mon, be fair!” I think they probably say that 5 or 6 times an hour.