Game 70: Yankees at Astros
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- June
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YANKEES (36-33)
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Matsui LF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Cabrera RF
Wang RHP
ASTROS (33-36)
Pence RF
Erstad 1B
Tejada SS
Lee LF
Blum 3B
Loretta 2B
Bourn CF
Ausmus C
Oswalt RHP
Chien-Ming Wang (7-2, 4.30) vs. the Houston hitters
Roy Oswalt (5-6, 5.06) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: I know I often have typos in the lineup. But, yes, Melky is playing RF. … Bobby Abreu is 4 for 18 on the trip with no RBI. … The Yankees have won three straight and four of the five on this road trip, which ends today. … The Yankees have homered in eight straight games. … The last six games have somehow each been played under three hours. … Wang pitched well in the first game of the trip, holding Oakland to one run over 7.1 innings. … Mariano Rivera has had the last two nights off since pitching five out of six days.
The teams will be wearing light blue wristbands today, on Father’s Day, to raise awareness of prostate cancer. Happy Father’s Day to all you fathers out there, especially to mine.
Back later with some updates.
UPDATE, 2:12 p.m.: Former Yankee Chuck Knoblauch was on the field for batting practice seeing some of his old teammates. Bubba Crosby, who has retired, was here yesterday. They both live in the Houston area.
Did you see what Dan McCutchen did last night? 9 6 0 0 0 4 against Norfolk. 102 pitches, 71 strikes.
Today is Andy Pettitte’s birthday. He’s 36.
UPDATE, 2:58 p.m.: You have to love Robbie Cano. Oswalt walks three in a row, so of course he swings at the first pitch, breaks his bat and drops a two-run single behind third base.
Meanwhile, Oswalt is over 70 pitches already.
UPDATE, 3:18 p.m.: Because he is such a great hitter, it’s easy to forget what a good fielder A-Rod can be. He also has an absolute cannon for an arm. That play probably saved two runs. The throw, at least, kept the bases from being loaded for Carlos Lee.
UPDATE, 3:21 p.m.: Roy Oswalt threw Wang a 1-2 curveball. That is not right.
UPDATE, 3:53 p.m.: Wang just got hurt trying to score from second. He had to be helped off the field.
UPDATE, 3:59 p.m.: It appears to be a pretty serious injury. Wang had to be helped down the dugout stairs. He was on second with two outs when Jeter scored and was waved to the plate by Bobby Meachem. He slowed up about 20 feet from the plate and limped in.
Terrible break for the Yankees. Wang had allowed one run in his last 12.1 innings and appeared over his slump.
I’ll report back when we get some news from the Yankees. But it doesn’t look good.
Meanwhile, the Yankees are up 9-0 as A-Rod just drilled a three-run homer. But if the Yankees have lost Wang for an extended period, it’s a huge blow.
UPDATE, 4:12 p.m.: Might as well say it. But if Wang is going to be out for a long period, the Yankees have to think about trading for C.C. Sabathia.
UPDATE, 4:14 p.m.: The Yankees are saying Wang has an injured right foot. He is being examined now.
UPDATE, 4:29 p.m.: This is total speculation on my part – repeat, total speculation – but Wang possibly could have an Achilles’ tendon injury based on how be pulled up and his inability to put any weight on his foot. Hopefully that is not the case as it is a devastating injury.
The Yankees have a day off on Monday, so they will need a pitcher on Saturday. That would be Dan McCutchen, who pitched yesterday. Or maybe Jeff Karstens. Ian Kennedy could come off the DL as he is throwing off the mound again.
UPDATE, 4:41 p.m.: Those of you in the comments section blaming Bobby Meachem are wrong. Wang was running on the play and there was no play at the plate. He scored without a play even though he got hurt. It was just a freak thing.
Pitchers run almost every day before games and they run hard. Wang runs almost every day, either on his own or with the other pitchers. He just got hurt, it happens.
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I thought cano was going to get 3 days off in a row?
How about that!? Damon in CF and Matsui in LF with the groundballer on the mound!
I don’t know about Damon in center with all that ground to cover…
Why isn’t Joe playing Melky in CF and Damon in RF? The Damon-Matsui combo sounds downright scary to me…
wow, i dont know about damon in that huge cf, but with wang on the mound we should see less fly balls. matsui will have to line up for a relay if johnny has to throw from the wall. i guess abreu does need a day off though. i love matsui batting 3rd.
this would be a great game to win (i guess they all are) a big road trip and a day off could really change the tone of the season just in time.
I was hoping Damon and Matsui would both play with Melky getting a seat, in all fairness to how theyve been playing the no DH thing… especially with Wang back to his groundball-inducing self, its ok to have Damon in center. But i wouldve never expected the Melky in Right move. Not a bad call by Girardi by any means, Abreu hasnt had a break in a while since Shelley was rendered useless.
Abreu has been in a little bit of a slump the last few days so I guess that’s why he is getting today off.
Happy Father’s Day to all of the fathers out there. This is my first Father’s Day without my dad, but fortunately I have a lot of happy memories to get me through the day.
Wang will outhit Trot Nixon today
Cano should be sitting though. He needs to be replaced for a few days by Gonzales, getting into the game late possibly.
Cano might do better as a pinch hitter because he isn’t thinking as much. That might actually help him get his act together.
Good Morning.
I know I have made this point before but we are getting close to the halfway mark of the season and everyone in Al East is STILL at .500 or better. It has happenned in MLB just one other time this late in the year dating back to 2002. The AL West did it briefly in late June 2006.
On June 15th 2007 only the Yanks and Sox were .500 or better. WIns will be harder to come by when playing games against AL East teams.The Rays and O’s combined have won 16 more games on June 15 ‘08 than June 15 ‘07. Also, the East is 16-8 thus far in interleague play.
On a different topic, I read this AM that CMW is 13-2 with a 4.01 in his last 19 starts on the road. That says a lot about his preparation and his stuff. He also appears mentally to always stay in the middle of the spectrum which has to be important in consistently winning on the road.
Lastly, Happy Father’s Day. It has to be a special one for JeffNJ who announced on the blog this week that they have a new addition to the family.
Have a great Sunday and Take Care.
-dennis
For people worried about Cano – the Kevin Long audio was interesting – Thanks to Pete for posting it.
I was happy to hear that Long called Mattingly to get his thoughts on how to help Cano. It is good to think that Mattingly is still ‘in the family’ even if he’s not official connected to the club.
Of course, a certain TV voice of the Yankees will probably want to launch a tampering investigation
I like the lineup with the exception of Damon in CF instead of RF. I’m bigtime hoping Matsui can keep up his great season so we won’t be nervous over losing Abreu after this season. Cano’s sure not ready to hit in the 3 spot.
Cano isn’t ready to hit in any spot.
Wow, that’s as bad an outfield as you could get behind a sinkerballer. Let’s hope they can score lots of runs.
And Cano has yet to be taught a lesson. Does Girardi even want to win games?
“The Mets are back on the West Coast again? They start a series against the Angels tomorrow night.”
sad to say, but i dont think willie’s gonna be on that flight to anahiem (of los angeles)
man, did anybody read pete’s post about the extra work robbie’s been putting in, extra bp, late bp, trying several different approaches. he’s also been hustling on every ball and playing excellent defense of late. what does he deserve to be punished for? alberto gonzalez is not as good a 2nd baseman as robbie and not as good a hitter as robbie. so what is the lesson that he is supposed to learn sitting on the bench.
and where’s the love for an rbi single that gave mo the night off?
you go robbie, bust out and shut the haters up!
Wow, anyone know the last time Melky played right field? Has he ever?
Y’s Guy, how is it hating on Cano when he is batting near the Mendoza line and this much of the season is gone? Even if he picks it up today he won’t break .280 for the season.
Sitting a guy for a few games might get his head clear, and get him back to being the hitter he should be.
He got a hit as a pinch hitter. That could be showing that its head problems, as he didn’t think about the BA as much. Great that he got a hit. Not so great if he goes 0-3 or 4 again, as he has been doing as late.
i was refferring to all the ‘teach him a lesson’ posts that i’ve read on this board today and the last few days. if they sit him to clear his head, i can deal with that, but to sit him to ‘teach him a lesson’ is just straight-up kicking a guy when he’s down.
If you wnat to give Abrue rest and play Damon and Matsui in the outfield, it is when a sinker ball pitcher is pitching. There won’t be many fly balls that will fall between these two fielders. If Wang pitches the way he pitched last time, we will be alright.
We will go 4 games over .500 when this game is over.
Yes, Girardi has no interest in winning. That’s why the Yankees are 16-8 in their last 24 games.
Its a shame he’s so uninterested in winning games.
As Y’s said, listen to the audio of Long discussing Cano’s struggles. They know what’s wrong and they are trying to fix it. It just isn’t as easy as snapping your fingers and getting it done.
I’m among Cano’s biggest critics on this blog. That said, I have ZERO problems with the effort he’s putting forth.
The guy is trying everything to get going. He’s also not taking his hitting struggles out to the field. He saved 4 runs Friday night with his defense. His defense has been off the charts this season.
If he continues to play great defense and just hits respectably, that’s good enough for me.
He doesn’t have to be “punished” for anything.
If he wasn’t playing hard, then you punish him.
That’s not been the case with Cano, so no punishment is needed.
Pete,
Very nice statement from Bruce Springsteen regarding Tim Russert. Tom Brokaw read Bruce’s statement on this morning’s Meet the Press. In addition, today’s show ended with a Russert video montage to Thunder Road.
Fran,
Today must be a little hard for you. Remember all the good memories. My thoughts are with you today.
SJ, you are also the one who keeps saying he should be traded. If that isn’t “punishment”, what is?
Many people are going a tad bit crazy regarding Cano. The guy will go on a tear in the 2nd half, just like last year. Plus, as SJ pointed out, he’s playing great defense and playing hard.
sj wants to improve the team and trading cano might be a way to do that.
matsui is one of my favorite yankees but i have advocated trading him, too, because he’s the LH bat who would bring the greatest return.
trading a guy isnt punishment, its moving one commodity to aquire another. this is a buisness after all.
No Berkman today. That’s a very good thing.
Having a discussion about trading him for the reigning Cy Young winner isn’t “punishment”. Its contemplating a baseball transaction. Its something GM’s do every single day.
If you are unable to distinguish the difference between that discussion and punishing him so a minor league SS can play second base for a few days, perhaps you aren’t ready to discuss baseball on this blog.
This isn’t high school. You don’t punish players for lack of performance unless their effort is lacking.
The guy has taken early hitting, after BP hitting, worked off the tee, everything he can to try and figure it out.
If he wasn’t doing those things, which was the case during his struggles last year, then you consider more punitive action.
That’s not been the case this year so why punish him? It makes no sense.
Having Alberto Gonzalez face Roy Oswalt today isn’t doing what’s best for the team or Cano.
You try and see if he can build on the pinch hit he got last night. Not an insignificant hit, at the time he got it. It gave the Yankees a much needed insurance run.
Sometimes, a hit like that gets a guy going.
Defense be damned. Damon and Matsui should both be playing in these NL yards.
What sense does it make to keep sitting at least one of your two hottest hitters over the past 25 games?
None.
Besides, having Matsui is LF with that short porch is not that big of a deal. And the whole Damon’s arm argument is so overrated.
The Yanks won 4 rings and 6 pennants with a noodle arm patrolling CF in Bernie Williams. I think Damon can handle it.
I spoke with Tim Russert at a Bruce Springsteen concert at the Orpheum in Boston. Nice guy. I thought he tended to spew out right wing talking points (yes I know he worked for Pat Moynihan) but he’ll be missed.
I don’t know why people keep talking about trading Cano. It’s not going to happen.
Here’s why:
Here’s why:
Contrary to the way the FO has done business in recent years, they gave Cano a four-year extension during the offseason two years before he was even eligible for free agency. That was something this franchise just doesn’t do with young players – especially when you consider that they didn’t want to extend that same courtesy to Wang – the undisputed “ace†of the Yankee rotation the last 2-1/2 seasons.
Secondly, there were two players on the Yankee roster that were deemed ‘untouchable’ by the FO during the Johan Santana trade talks.
The two players were Joba Chamberlain and Robinson Cano.
I don’t see Cashman and the FO doing a complete 180 and changing their tune with Cano just 60+ games after they signed him to the extension.
All the trade Cano stuff is nonsense. It matters none what the fans think of him – it’s what Cashman and the FO thinks of him.
They are probably frustrated with him right now like the rest of us but they aren’t going to consider trading him.
“For people worried about Cano – the Kevin Long audio was interesting – Thanks to Pete for posting it.”
the mattingly part was a little interesting. as i said in my earlier post, long gets about as excited as bob newhart.
after listening to him, i was kind of wondering if long was part of the problem with cano. i didn’t really hear anything that wasn’t really basic. i’m not saying long is the problem because he sure didn’t seem to get in the way last year, but if you want a pep talk i’m not sure he’s the guy you go to.
i’m not worried about cano in the long run( no pun intended), but i would sit him down in the short run to get him to take the situation seriously. i don’t think it makes much sense to keep running him out there everyday when he’s hitting in the low .200’s.
i would be interested on hearing more from kevin long about his approach to team strategies for walking and making opposing pitchers have to throw a lot of pitches so the yankees get into the underbelly of opposing bullpens. i’m again not saying he doesn’t do that, but i’ve never heard him say they needed to do more of that which i think they do.
“I was hoping Damon and Matsui would both play with Melky getting a seat, in all fairness to how theyve been playing the no DH thing”
Why would they sit Melky today after he got on base 5 times yesterday?
Abreu hasn’t been hitting since he hit that pitcher in the face.
So, giving up a player who has great defensive skills and until this year, is a good offensive player helps IMPROVE the team? Really? All for a few month rental. Wow.
“I like the lineup with the exception of Damon in CF instead of RF.”
If he’s in RF the Astros will be going first to third all day. There is no way Damon throws out anybody at third.
Not a good argument considering that Girardi has been giving both Matsui and Damon at least one day off per week when they’ve both hit over .400+ for the last 25 games.
Accordingto ESPN Ken Griffey Jr is considering waiving his no trade clause for a trade to the Rays. It wuld make him close to home which I know is important. I wonder what how much the Ray would hae to give up ?
Follow along Pierce…..
Nobody has said trade Cano for a rental player. At least nobody on this blog.
The discussion centered around Cano for Sabathia, provided they could negotiate a long term deal with Sabathia.
If a long term deal can’t be done with him, you don’t think about trading Cano for him. That was the discussion the other day on the subject.
Happy Father’s Day to all the dads here. I gave my dad the Giants Road to the Super Bowl dvd set, we’re watching the Green Bay game right now.
Will Cano even have the strength to take the field without his father-figure Larry Bowa there?
You know, the funny thing about this team is that they’ve won 8 of 11, but it doesn’t feel like it.
Here’s to four over on father’s day
Clay,
Thanks for the thoughts.
“Not a good argument considering that Girardi has been giving both Matsui and Damon at least one day off per week when they’ve both hit over .400+ for the last 25 games.”
Actually it is a good argument because neither Matsui, Damon, nor Giambi can play the field every day. One of them is going to need a day off from the field to rest their legs.
Secondly, Abreu has been struggling and Melky was 5 for 5 just yesterday. Doesn’t make sense to sit him today.
“Melky was 5 for 5 just yesterday. ”
Correction, Melky was on base 5 times just yesterday.
i don’t know about anyone else .but i’m psyched about joba being taught wang’s sinker by wang.
the fact he picked it up so quickly and used it 10-12 times is really surprising.
i know his curve is supposed to be a plus pitch too when he gets command of it, but it’s great that he’s picked up another pitch he can command so well so quickly to go with his four seamer and slider..
wow, are the rays giving up on thier ‘cover the world’ of defense? gross is not hitting in RF, so i guess they want griffey there. they are already paying alot of money (for them) to LH carols pena (about to come off the d.l.) and cliff floyd, who’s riding the pines. i cant imagine they want him for the dh spot.
Melky should have sit either Fri or Sat. He may have played well yesterday but that’s the first big game he’s had in a month.
You don’t rest players who have been as red hot as Damon and Matsui has been for the better part of a month.
And I guarantee you that neither of them wants to sit because these kinds of torrid streaks just don’t happen very often.
Randy,
You do realize that the better Joba pitches the safer Cashman’s job is, right?
Are you sure you want Joba to pitch well? j/k
i think damon and matsui’s great play of late is BECAUSE they have been rested regularly. credit the manager for working the lineup just right to get the most production out of them.
Guiseppe,
Just because you believe Melky should have sat either Friday or Saturday has no bearing on whether or not he should sit today.
You can’t ignore the fact that Damon, Matsui, and Giambi can not play the field every day. Abreu neither for that matter. No matter how hot their hitting is they need days off in order to keep them fresh.
Melky is still a young player, you don’t sit young players after they had good games. At least you don’t in my opinion. Not only was Melky on base 5 times but he had 2 hits batting right-handed which is a rarity for Melky. Can’t sit him down today.
Cashman’s job is safe. It’s up to him whether he comes back next season or not.
Thanks Dennis, but how am I ever going to continue to hate Red Sox fans if you keep showing so much class? I appreciate the father’s day wishes, but to be honest, having a 5 day old kid, I don’t feel like I’ve earned it this year.
As for the race, while I am not conceding, it sure seems like the Red Sox have a bit of the magic, wins keep piling up despite injuries and suspensions. The improved play of the AL East is definitely a big factor in the race.
As for today, the OF alignment will be interesting, all 3 are basically out of position, it probably would have made more sense to just put Matsui in RF.
“You do realize that the better Joba pitches the safer Cashman’s job is, right?”
ha ha . very funny.
there’s something about joba and his charisma that i think is the tipping point for the yankees.
…and if cashman riding on joba’s coat tails is the price i have to pay, so be it. i mean joba was drafted under cashman’s watch so i can’t be too critical can i?
i don’t so much want cashman removed as gm as much as i’d like to see him bumped up into another higher up position and a new hungry young gm replacing him. kind of what cleveland is doing with shapiro in cleveland. i’d like to see a more complex front office that has room for talented people that push whoever is in charge at any given time.
i thought the yankees rushed joba’s stretching out, but his last start which was really his first one was very impressive.
Randy,
Good points.
im with randy, i’ve proposed kicking cash upstairs several times on here. he’s done a mostly good job over his contract, but a poor one putting this year’s team together. id like to see them bring in a new guy, maybe promote oppenheimer to do the day-to-day g.m. duties and make cash VP of player personell, to work the huge contracts and marketing deals, train oppenheimer and oversee the whole operation. this has been done by several teams.
Ray,
Melky isn’t hitting against a lefty today so that argument doesn’t hold water. And Melky had one hit as a right-handed hitter against W-Rod. His other hit was batting lefty against the right-hander Geary.
I’m not arguing whether Melky should sit today in place of Abreu or not.
My argument is that conventional wisdom doesn’t always apply to Girardi. He’s given his two hottest hitters days off several times over the past month. Melky had a big day yesterday, but Matsui and Damon have killed the ball for a month. Conventional wisdom need not apply.
Matsui has probably been the team’s most consistent hitter all season, but he’s only played 59 of their 69 games and has not been hurt at all.
The craziest thing about it is that he’s the team’s primary DH, yet he still gets a lot of days off. How many DH’s get so many days off when their hitting .323 on the season?
I would have sat melky for all of those times he’s slid into first base. Enough is enough.
Jeff NJ,
Happy Father’s Day, ya sperm donor! Just kidding, of course you deserve it.
I cannot believe what I read in your post! Oh ye of little faith.
I’m not saying we’re going to take the division by storm, but we’re barely past the 1/3 mark of the season. Too much time and too many variables. Just look at how the Sox and the Mets slid at the end of last year. You never know.
why is Damon in CF oh well we’ll see.
Brett Gardner special is next
“Matsui has probably been the team’s most consistent hitter all season, but he’s only played 59 of their 69 games and has not been hurt at all.”
I wonder if Girardi will continue sitting Matsui at this rate…if this continues he’ll miss something like 20-25 games for the season…
Oops. Almost to the halfway mark. Don’t know why I thought there were a 180 games in a season. Just feels that way when you’re losing.
The Yankees have a surplus of outfielders. What it means, however, is that there will likely always be one potent bat to come off of the bench.
Matsui’s an older player and could benefit from more rest than the others, especially since he had off-season surgery.
We have to remember that Matsui has more mileage than an old reliable Toyota truck due to the consecutive game streak that started in Japan.
Wouldn’t mind seeing him DH more, but I understand that the plethora of old men on the team prohibit that.
For those who love to hate-Beckett vs. Homer Bailey on TBS.
For those who love to hate-Beckett vs. Homer Bailey on TBS.
Thanks Mel. Hopefully Dusty actually manages in this game
Ellsbury singles, steals second, steals third, scores on a SAC fly by the munchkin. When can we bring up our shiny new toy (Gardner) and tuck him in the 9 spot?
Okay, I know this is a really really long shot, but I want to test a theory I have…does anyone know if there’s anywhere we can look up a team’s record when a certain umpire is behind home plate?
Sabermetric guys what is Cano’s zone rating on D??
The Houston broadcasters were marveling at his D the other d..
thanks…
Ellsbury’s a really good player. And he’s better than Garnder. But, the chasm is not that great.
Ellsbury is essentially a slap-hitter. Gardner, the same. Both have blazing speed, both walk a lot. The big difference between the two is Gardner strikes out quite a bit more.
What a weird play. Lugo threw the double play ball into the dugout.
When can we bring up our shiny new toy (Gardner) and tuck him in the 9 spot?
My guess is soon because YES is trying to introduce him to the fans in the pregames
Brandon,
But we’ve known he was for a very long time.
I know Jenn, it’s for the one’s that need special help on why Brett is here, and then end up saying this white boy can run who is he ?
That might be part of it, but I think it has more to do with the organization recognizing the increased interest in the kids by the fan base.
They’ve profiled Brackman, McCutchen, and Jackson in recent weeks as well and none of those guys are close to being major league ready.
Has Wang ever had an AB before?
“Sabermetric guys what is Cano’s zone rating on D??
The Houston broadcasters were marveling at his D the other d..
thanks…”
http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=fielding&linesToDisplay=50&orderBy=zone_rating&direction=DESC&qual_filter=1&season_filter%5B%5D=2008&league_filter%5B%5D=All&team_filter%5B%5D=All&pos_filter%5B%5D=4&Submit=Submit
4th best in the majors at 2B.
“Has Wang ever had an AB before?”
0/8 with 6 Ks – http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/382868
brandon, fans in san fran and chicago are still waiting to see dusty manage…
lets just say he’s more of a chemistry guy than a strategist.
V: Thanks!
if we can get wang, pettitte, moose and joba to repeat thier last outings this time through, that will really change the fortunes of this team. already the bp is looking better with alot more rest. (maybe its just that our bp looks best when they’re sitting in the bullpen!)
“Okay, I know this is a really really long shot, but I want to test a theory I have…does anyone know if there’s anywhere we can look up a team’s record when a certain umpire is behind home plate?”
I could check my database later if I have a chance – wouldn’t be too difficult.
I hope Gardner is up soon him in the 9th spot is very exciting plus he could spot Melky and not give up that much on “D”
V: You have a database of this? Seriously?
I’m curious, what’s the Yankees’ record when Eric Cooper is behind home plate?
if gardner comes up to ’spot’ melky, what does he do the rest of the time?
Did anyone just have the Met game on? Maine balked before he did the old Jeff Nelson third to first and he caught the base stealer. But it was a total balk! He rocked toward home, than went to third and threw to first!
I REALLY think Melancon needs up here is his line at Trenton
3-0, 1.35,10 hits in 21.2 IP, 2BB, 19 K’s.
Even if they are not ready to see him in the bigs he at least deserves to be at SWB.
Y’s guy- He can also spot Matsui, Damon and any other time one of those guys is not in left also he can be the pinch runner/base-stealing threat we need off the bench.
Al, I think they’re working on trying to get him up to Scranton.
melancon has been pitching on a regular schedule with some of the joba rules. id like to see them move him to scranton and start working him on back-to-back days, etc, to see how his repaired arm handles that before they bring him to the bigs.
i like gardner but sitting damon or matsui (who are both already getting plenty of rest) just makes the lineup weaker.
oswalt has pitched like oswalt lately, dont expect to see the 5.06 era version today.
Not to be a minor league buff or anything but this pitcher also caught my eye he was acquired in the Sheffield trade along with Humberto Sanchez and Kevin Whelan.
Anthony Claggett has really solid numbers at Trenton as well.
1-0, 0.78,20 hits in 23 IP,13 BB and 21 K’s. He is likely not ready but perhaps ready for SWB.
“oswalt has pitched like oswalt lately, dont expect to see the 5.06 era version today.”
I definitely agree – this can be a tough game
Oswalt is good–hopefully Wang will be better =)
Again, the houston infield looks soaked.
Dont swing Johnny that was a BB waiting to happen.
there were rumors that oswalt could be had in a trade earlier this year, i wish we could have gotten him, he’s money. probably not going to be available again (if he ever was)
Some more new Yankee Stadium photos: http://slidingintohome.blogspot.com/2008/06/615-new-stadium-photo-update.html
and a new overhead shot:http://slidingintohome.blogspot.com/2008/06/new-overhead-shot-of-new-stadium.html
Good job Jete.
David Robertson belongs in NY before Melancon right now.
If you look at the 7 arms in the ‘pen: Ollie, Geise, Hawkins, Ramirez, Farnsworth, Veras and Rivera, the only guy who is in the bubble is Hawkins.
Geise has to remain as the long man. This staff needs a long man. Ramirez and Veras have been terrific and neither guy is going anywhere. Farnsworth, although shaky, has also pitched well. Mo is Mo.
Ollie? Good arm, a little inconsistent. That’s ok because nobody’s bullpen has 7 great arms.
I think once Hawkins is gone, Robertson will take his place. That seems to be where its going right now, given how Robertson is being used in AAA.
If they find a LH for the ‘pen, Ollie may be on the bubble.
Aside from that, there isn’t any room for Melancon in the bullpen right now. Veras and Ramirez’s performances have made the bullpen less of a priority (with the exception of finding a LH specialist) than it was a week or two ago.
I don’t think Oswalt was actually available.
man he DRILLED that
DRILLED to center…
the ball doesn’t even go past Bourn, Michael Kay, you do not know how to call in houston.
that one is CRUSHED, and it doens’t go past Bourn, man.
Bummer that Bourn guy has great speed.
Wow, that had that sound off the end of the bat.
It’d be nice if Michael Kay stopped doing his best John Sterling impression.
i dont think oswalt really was available. and then there’s the thing that he once said he wouldn’t want to pitch in ny. but then i dont put much faith in that kind of statement, especially when he’s pretty tight with pettitte.
Oswalt has a no trade clause and has gone on record as saying he wouldn’t waive it to come to NY. Boston, St. Louis and Texas were the only teams he would waive his no trade clause for at this time.
Probably why Houston was never serious about dealing him.
I like Ollie but I think he leaves the ball up a bit much for a sinker baller.
Homer Bailey is getting crushed by the Sox. Watching him for the first time, his stuff looks very mediocre. He’s throwing batting practice fastballs and his offspeed stuff looks bad.
My friend:
“But yeah, they’ve been playing pretty well for a team that’s not playing that well”
Yogi has some competition
man, erstadt was the most exciting player in mlb back when he was with the angels. shows what playing full-out in the OF can do to a guy, now he’s a bench player who is often injured.
i swear Michael Kay is about as dense as some of the people on this blog…
Double play!
Pitcher’s best friend.
there it is! first dp! wang being wang
Of course Boston goes on the road and immediately they face a mediocre Reds team take 2 out of 3 with no papi, no manny, no Dice-k, this is absurd.
Niiiiice pitch.
Wang being Wang, I like.
Nice K there Wanger.
Wang with the strikeout to end the inning.
Thats gonna leave a mark.
haha bubba crosby i used to love him
Behold, the power of the ’stache
My daughter is at the Mets game with her friends today, so that’s the main game on our t.v. I’m counting on you guys to keep up with this game!
That last inning by Wang – he kinda made everyone happy — those who like the ground out/double play, and those that want him to strike out more.
Happy Birthday Andy!
Lol Rebecca first Stache reference I heard today and at a great time.
Robbie hopefully hes not auto-out today.
What other Kay-isms need to not be repeated every other game?
mine are off the top of my head are
“the fallacy of the predetermined outcome”
“*insert player name* has tied the MLB record for put outs in an inning”
but then again, I just teared up when Kay just said
“tell your dads you love them because here are two guys who can’t do that today”
so what do I know.
sniffle sniffle
i can’t believe they even mentioned sending Giambi – Posada doesn’t make enough contact to send someone like Giambi. Roy Oswalt is a strike-out pitcher with great stuff, and even if you send Giambi, he’s still out at second on a ground ball.
Cano takes 3 pitches to start the at-bat…. i’m shocked
Al from BK
June 15th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
“Of course Boston goes on the road and immediately they face a mediocre Reds team take 2 out of 3 with no papi, no manny, no Dice-k, this is absurd.”
Al, do you think Houston is that much better than the Reds right now? The Reds record right now is 33-37 and Houston’s record is 33-36.
I told my dad I love him today =)
Lol captain good stuff Kay-isms.
No I was assuming Boston’s offense would struggle a bit missing Man-Ram and Ortiz thats all.
RayBlay
where is bubba crosby?
Filthy breaking stuff.
great job by the clubers cano and melky…. freaking NL.. here comes Wang
Melky what are you swinging at!? Now Wang has to get a hit!
This is the Oswalt everyone is accustomed to.
lol at Wang’s swings. good try tho
Oh well Wang can K Oswalt next inning.
Okay, it’s really hard not to laugh at the wanger there…
That inning is a perfect example of why it’s so much easier to pitch in the NL. 2 on, no outs, and the pitcher is up 3rd, pretty much a free out which gets the pitcher out of the inning there. In the AL, he’d have to earn his last out with runners on, but in the NL he gets out of it with the pitcher. It’s such a big difference.
That’s what she said.
Joba and Rasner looked like they were laughing at Wanger’s at bat:-)
Oswalt at 38 pitches through 2. Continue to work him and He’ll be gone in 6.
Al from BK
June 15th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
“No I was assuming Boston’s offense would struggle a bit missing Man-Ram and Ortiz thats all.”
Al,I think even us sox fans are assuming that and it may still happen to be honest. The big surprise is J Drew who is hitting .323 and getting a lot of home runs after being a bust last year.
ray: JD Drew is doing for you what Mike Mussina is doing for us.
Just, with the bat instead of a 60 mph change
I think even Wanger himself must have had a good chortle about his AB. Funny stuff!
anyway happy birthday to Andy today, awesome that he is home in Houston for it and on fathers day no less. And happy Fathers Day to all the dads reading this!
Exactly Rebecca….I have to admit that early this season I thought that you guys should stick a fork in Moose because was “done”. Indeed he has been impressive and I think belongs on the all star team pitching staff.
Cano is a joke. He still does not know how to bunt and that is Yankees brass fault. He learns to bunt for the next 2 weeks in the minors of send him home. His ego is like Shaq who refused to learn to practice free throws. A complete and utter waste of humanity. ROBINSON CANO
Wang with another good inning.
“Of course Boston goes on the road and immediately they face a mediocre Reds team..
The Reds will be in the Bronx for 3 next weekend.
Who breaks more bats: Johnny Damon or Mariano Rivera?
Do people know when Oswalt is a free-agent?
Say what you want about the ’stache, but Giambi has a great eye.
Posada could use a huge hit here.
Cecil might not be around for the end of this one
Or a walk.
Also, did everyone leave or something?
Cano come on buddy
rebecca – 3 a game each
DUNKER FOR CANO!!!!!!!!!!
Robbie, this is how you redeem yourself!!!!!
Holy Robinson Canò
I’ll take my bloop doubles!
Nice Cano!
Maybe thats what he needs. he has that Tiger smile.. makes me happy that he did something productive
Robbie comes through with the bloop double.
wow, cano, that was atrocious. lucky.
terrible @bat by cano
keith, let me see you try it.
“Giambi has a great eye.”
Definitely, I always love watching how he fouls off everything he doesn’t like until he sees a pitch he wants to hit.
ATTN!
Deep thought of the day
“the more
our batters don’t swing at balls out of the strike zone
and the more our
pitchers get first pitch strikes.
the more leverage and wins we get”
where in the Hale was that 3rd pitch to Melky ? that is NOT a strike !
Good inning for the Yanks – 3 runs and they really ran up Oswalt’s pitch count.
WTH was THAT ?…Neither of those last 2 pitches were anywhere NEAR strikes ?…What does Prozac Joe have to say about that ?
I’m a Cano supporter but that was just moronic.
He swings at the first pitch after Oswalt walked A-Rod, Giambi, and Posada the three previous hitters.
It worked out, but only because he got lucky.
After 3 straight walks he swings at the first pitch and breaks his bat/pops up, just got very lucky.
tom, keith are joke. The guy just had a two rbi hit and they just seem to focus on the negative. Get a life you two are probably two fat losers who have nothing else to do with their life but denegrate others.
What are the chances that they will consider creating a new division just for the Yanks? you know, a division consisting of Yanks, Seattle and NL teams
How is that atrocious he got us two key runs. I know it wasnt the hardest hit ball but it is a lot better then a strike our or a pup up.. Come on give him some slack.. He has been playing tremendous defense at seconds base, he is a young kid who wants to do a lot for this team. I really like Cano, he has a great deal of potential and although he has been hitting absolutely nothing he has not carried his emotions into the field. And that defines a professional.
yeah he swung at the first pitch maybe because it was strike.
I’ll take a blooper and Wang with a 3 run lead anyday who cares if it was a cheap hit.
I would really love to see Wang have a quick 1 2 3 here
I think Pete put it excellently.
Not watching. Can someone explain how 2 guys score on a “popup to third baseman”?
mel: Bloop double.
@yeah – i’m not the one trying to degenerate others. read your post.
the @bat was pure luck. bottom line.
@yeah – i love the result of it too. but more often than not baseball is a little like poker. you can’t look at things results-orientated.
This is what I’m saying:
http://tinyurl.com/4d5gzs
It’s about the process.
Sometimes all it takes is a broken bat bloop to get a player going
I hope this is it because nothing else has gotten Cano going this year
No one’s complaining the Yankees’ scored two runs. They’re complaining that Cano swung at the first pitch when Oswalt was having trouble throwing strikes.
k, that didn’t work.
scroll down and look at thenice chart.
http://tinyurl.com/3hqsll
This is where good teams with an ace on the hill hold the opposition down with a 3-0 lead and get the sweep.
mel, re you’re 1:10 post. I have faith, the Yankees will make the playoffs and possibly win the division, however, the Red Sock fan just was nice to me, so I didn’t want to come off like a jerk. I do feel like a sperm donor though.
Sure, Cano got lucky there but it is just the law of the averages at work. How many times this year has he gotten unlucky hitting a line drive right at someone?
Man, the girl in the white top in the second row behind home plate is HOT. Thank you, HD.
WangFan: The one in the tube top towards the right?
Not bad, and I say this as a woman.
ALEX!
A-RODDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!
w00t! Way to get out of it
AROD with the money grab!
WEB GEM !!!!
What a great play by ARod – saves Wang there
Yeah, she’s the one. Whenever they show a close-up on the batter you get a good look at her. Southern girls are awesome.
yer out Melky Tejada!!!
good day sir
I..said..good..day
Great play
I love the irony of A-Rod’s great D sitting down one of the laziest defensive players in all of baseball.
Jeff NJ,
lol. Know what you mean. Sometimes Dennis, Brian, and ray make the haterade taste junk.
lol Wang with some serious swing there
WangFan88
i have been distracted all game and was going to post something, but didn’t want the blog pc police on my back since I’m new here.
I don’t know if a girl in Houston, TX can be considered ‘Southern’, but I’m not watching the game so I just can’t say. Hmmm, ditch my dad to go to a sports bar and watch the rest of the game? Dare I?
Damon, you weren’t supposed to run against this guy…
Johnny didn’t you read the scouting report??
the girl in white over the right shoulder of the umpire might make girls and boys crush on her regardless of what team they play for.
Yeah, I don’t, but if I did, why the hell would it matter?
Things not looking so good @ Shea.
Those SOBs wouldn’t fire Willie on Father’s Day would they?
HR by my favorite non Yankee, Ian Kinsler, 7-2 Rangers. Randolph just put his stapler and signed picture into a cardboard box.
mel
June 15th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Jeff NJ,
“lol. Know what you mean. Sometimes Dennis, Brian, and ray make the haterade taste junk.”
mel…..what can I say…..I have reached my life’s goal of making the “haterade taste junk”!!
The Mets have their work cut out for them – loosing 7-2 in the bottom of the 7th (the bullpen just imploded in the top of the inning)
Wasn’t Kinsler the one that had the idea to tarp slide last night? Or was that Hamilton?
lol i love how ALL of the astros fans are blaming the umps for their losing this series…. if you goto their team/s website fan forum youll see EVERY post has to do with the yankees paying the umps or the umps favoring the yanks… its quite amusing…
off-topic but it is a huge pet peeve of mine when people think a woman likes women just because she acknowledges that another woman is pretty. This same thing happens to me everytime I say Laura Posada is hot – well she is, sorry! Doesn’t mean I like chicks though
My favorite non-Yankee is a Ranger also. Josh Hamilton FTW.
I thought the tarp sliding was so cool. It showed that some people can still have fun, maybe the Mets need to do some bonding exercises like that to remind them it’s not the end of the world.
Yeah, I go for the guys. Sorry to disappoint you.
I think there’s something to what Ken Singleton said–so far, anyway, this has been a great series for the Yankees. If they hold on to win this, possibly the best series of the season.
BBB,
We were talking about something the other day and I wanted to post a delicate question. But since you opened the door I’m going to leave it out here.
Guys (or gals), what do you think about two straight women kissing?
Girl in white to the guy 2 seats down-have you seen sex in the city?
The guy shes with-Why the hell did i bring this trophy to the game? She never shuts up!! And why is she wearing high heals to this? Should have brought my dad. I wonder if i should ditch her now or after the 7th inning stretch. hmmm?
I think this whole road trip (save for Ras’ implosion, he’ll get back on track next time out anyway) has been great so far. I’m extremely happy with the Yanks’ showing against two good leftys they’d never seen before (Eveland and Wandy.)
mel: Doesn’t bother me. A full blown make out session, please, get a room, but that’s just common decency.
Now I’m curious. Can someone post a picture of that girl ?
LuHud Yankee blog comments section takes an odd turn on Fathers Day. Not that I’m complaining.
Rebecca,
Doesn’t bother me at all, but it seems like guys really to see that sort of thing. Just wondering if it’s a myth.
“This same thing happens to me everytime I say Laura Posada is hot ”
Hottest Yankee wife for sure.
Brad Pitt has nothing on me. Id kick his pretty boy a….. BTW I dont judge guys. Just saying.
mel: I don’t think it’s a myth.
yeah that chick is hot, but what’s with the jerky looking guy she’s obviously with. She gave him a peck earlier…hmm, was she just blackberrying or txting on her cell right before the commercial break
And when will there be another right handed batter so they may show a close up.
Gee now I can’t watch the game, thanks guys…
Looks like Oswalt will make it to the 8th inning afterall
meanwhile, Wang will implode here
mel: I think it depends on the context. I have seen girls make out at parties and bars in a way where it seems like theyre just trying to get attention from men. That I’m not down with, but if it is a case of extreme drunkenness or genuine curiousity, then it’s cool, but I don’t wanna see an overt girl-girl PDA any more than I wanna see a hetero one!
Of course now you guys have me wondering where I’d rank on the scheme of things…but not really.
SoS: I think there was a girl sitting next to her earlier in the game. I don’t know what happened to her. Maybe she got up and the guys moved in on the girl in white???
lol. Only the girls have an opinion on the question.
Laura Posada? Looks like she could really hurt you if she bumped into you.
Still think that Jessica Alba would have made a great Yankee wife…
mel,
With or without clothes? The “Wild Things” scene was pretty hott.
same thing happens to me when i say jeter is hot…
phew…
2 for 2 for Oswalt….he’s owning Wang at batting
“lol. Only the girls have an opinion on the question.
Laura Posada? Looks like she could really hurt you if she bumped into you.
Still think that Jessica Alba would have made a great Yankee wife…”
ehmm,ehmm. Mel last i checked my frank and beans were still there.
Biel is better.
Think Oswalt could play 2B on the days he’s not pitching for the Yankees next season?
Wang, I love the DPs, but the pitcher is not supposed to get on base!
Get to work bats
Here im baching that girl in the white for not watching the game and talking about S.I.T.C. When im doing the exact same thing.
Good day to get a win. Everyone in the division is losing accept for Boston. Lets get back to baseball folks.
“The Last Yankee Fanâ„¢ (a.k.a. ERâ„¢)
June 15th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Wang will implode here”
….you were saying?
trade cano after the game, while his value has peaked
Hey, if it works…
SoS,
Are you sure? Last I heard you couldn’t stand up to your wife about closet space! (j/k)
We’ve already discussed this. Biel’s George Washington teeth trump any other, ahem, attributes that she may have. And she wore a Red Sox baby tee. Banned from the Yankee Universe for life!
Wang is looking pretty good today. Looks like his last start against a weak hitting oakland team helped on the confidence.
On the other hand, even though there were 2 RBI’s on a weak hit, Cano looks a little more relaxed. He is still a long long way off though.
“Guys (or gals), what do you think about two straight women kissing?”
Guy/Guy, Girl/Girl, Girl/Guy…I have no problem.
But if I start seeing a lot of tongue involved and hands going in certain areas..I will scream at them to get a room
See, Cano feelin threatened by the prospect of Oswalt playing second and batting 7th.
I’m not sure Wang even knows how to bunt…
BTW. Detroit has caught fire(not the city the team). Torre doesnt seem to be doing us any favors.
What the formula for converting between leagues? ERA AL = ERA NL + 2?
…definitely doesn’t know how to bunt.
Pitches well, though.
great hitter coaching first base for houston- jose cruz sr.
for a short time a yankee.
Has a manager ever been fired between games of a doubleheader ?
Willie may not last out the day at Shea.
…So Wang, who never runs the bases, doesn’t slide?
Is it wrong to laugh a wang bunting, that was quite funny. Although I must say even though I know how to bunt, I’m not sure how I would fair with 80-90 mph coming at me lol
LOL, Wang looks lost at the plate/on the basepaths.
“lol. Only the girls have an opinion on the question.”
Guys — or straight guys — have an opinion on the question too, but since it’s pretty obvious….
“I’m not sure Wang even knows how to bunt…”
he closed his eyes when he bunted. Hilarious!
Philly,
I think it’s + .75
We need a homerun for Wang to make it easy on Wang.
” Biel’s George Washington teeth trump any other, ahem, attributes that she may have. And she wore a Red Sox baby tee.”
Dont know what her teeth look like. Maybe she was just being vengefull to Jeter. I forgive her.
Solution to the closet space problem. Wear the same clothes over and over. Can i have my F & B back now?
wow…. i walk away from the computer for like 10 minutes and I come back to a whole conversation about girl on girl kissing…. i love this blog
lol at my terrible sentence structure.
Uh oh.
GOD DAMN NATIONAL LEAGUE…..
Crap!
Screw this interleague crap.
uh oh. Kennedy, get ready to make a comeback.
great. just great.
i just had a bad feeling when wang got on base, PITCHERS CAN’T RUN
wow that is brutal.
OH just terrific….hope CMW is going to be alright….Noooooo!!!!
Wow, Wang’s struggles on the basepaths aren’t funny anymore. God, why the f*** are pitchers incapable of simply RUNNING?
Not good.
HOLY CRAP…. Just when he was getting things turned around…..
This is why the pitcher should never hit, especially in interleague games.
oh no….
Stupid National League
this is why i hate pitchers batting/running in the NL…grr
Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!
Reason # 4435454363 why I hate the National League style of play.
Joe T.
Blog’s Gone Wild!
This really makes me appreciate the DH even more. Wang looks like he is really in pain.
I’m sorry, I love CMW, but if he never learned how to even RUN, that’s pathetic.
Simply pathetic.
I don’t care that he’s a pitcher, if you don’t know how to run, you shouldn’t be playing sports.
“God, why the f*** are pitchers incapable of simply RUNNING?”
When they are not use to doing it on a regular basis.
this is horrible
Oh No!!
wang will be down for at least a month
What’s happening?
you got to be kidding. i was just thinking jeter better not hit something wang has to run into the catcher on.
I wonder if he originally got hurt running to second and not sliding. The way he went into second was strange.
This is terrible. What a stupid league.
We can hate on interleague play all we want, but seriously, it is inexcusable for players to get injured running 90 or 180 feet. INEXCUSABLE. I mean, ostensibly these people are athletes. I’m no athlete, but I am capable of moving 90 feet without my hamstring exploding. God dammit.
But I hope CMW is okay.
omg what happened(my tv isnt working)
Jeter hits grand slam #2?
Can you jinx a player on a blog?
This looks bad!! If it is, we need a no. 1 starter
WAng on the base paths didn’t look good when he didn’t slide to second.It’s not good when you need to be help off the field.Hope he’s okay.He is not replacable by any free agent or minor leaguer.WE need Wang.
right hammy? he seemed to be looking down at his ankle. achilles?
that looked bad.
I hope Wang pulls a Paul Pierce….
comes back and throws a complete game
Its not the running itself, its the angle of the base, running hard etc.. Its not something they do often.
Running the bases is different than simply running. There’s a lot of stopping and starting.
wow i pray wang is not seriously hurt and just jammed his toe or something… he looked like he was pointing to his foot.. if we lose him to the DL that is going to be a DISASTER
“I’m sorry, I love CMW, but if he never learned how to even RUN, that’s pathetic.
Simply pathetic.
I don’t care that he’s a pitcher, if you don’t know how to run, you shouldn’t be playing sports.”
I’m sorry, but thats an idiotic thing to say.
At least the offense is giving the Pen some time to warm.
ok, my MLB audio isnt working because i got knocked off and tried to log on too many times, so just got Gameday on, can someone please provide more details as to Wang’s injury? freaking out right here :\
mel – possibly my favorite kind of blog… too bad there are no pictures lol.. i think there are different sites/blogs for that though
Don’t worry everyone – Phil Hughes will be back in 3 or 4 months
Thanks Dr. Booey. The guy on the Celtics got carried off the court like he was shot and came back within minutes. Its impossible for someone to tell from watching on TV.
Of couse when the Yanks start doing something, their so called ACE gets hurt.
Alex on fire, but the big story is Wang. Looked like he was pointing to his ankle.
baseball truly is a remarkable game our offense putting up big numbers rotation finally coming into form about to win go 4 games over 500 and now the baseball gods punish us witht his
Just hope its not an ankle toe is ok ankle not so much.
Let’s just try and remain calm until we get word on what is going on with Wang.
Kennedy is almost ready to comeback anyway, wouldn’t need him until June 21st.
He was still running on it and he didn’t look like he was in -that- much pain. Maybe a sprained ankle. I wouldn’t panic.
But if he -is- out a significant period of time, say hello to CC Sabathia for sure. And say goodbye to some of our best young players because the Indians will definitely bleed us dry.
MLB has to make the rule – DH, or no DH. AL pitchers are clueless on the fundamentals. If the DH is removed, at least they will practice the basics.
The homerun cam two hitters too late for Wang.
Wang not being able to run is pathetic.
crud !~!!!
why is wang hurt.
Ahh, must be time for all the people with their MD’s from the WebMD Medical School to now weigh in their diagnoses.
If he can’t run he should not swing the bat or even bunt. Why bother?
“WAng on the base paths didn’t look good when he didn’t slide to second.It’s not good when you need to be help off the field.Hope he’s okay.He is not replacable by any free agent or minor leaguer.WE need Wang.”
MoBoy, that was your best post ever! Congrats, dude!
Begin conversation of trading for CC Sabathia
When and where did Wang get hurt? Gameday shows him staying in the game. Moving to second on JD’s single. Scoring from second on Jeter’s single.
I’m too worried about Wang to even enjoy this offensive explosion.
If this injury is serious and he will be sidelined for a while, the Yankees really have to trade for a starting pitcher. I don’t exactly trust Kennedy to takr CMW’s place.
Ugh, praying he will be ok….of all the rotten luck for him to get hurt now just when he gets his mojo back and the team is starting to play really well….ugh ugh ugh
Angel June 15th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Ahh, must be time for all the people with their MD’s from the WebMD Medical School to now weigh in their diagnoses.
I feel for jerks like “Angel”. Sorry know it all rube.
They need a game like this, with Wang looking like he definitely will be out for the rest of this game at least.
thanks a lot mr. 3rd base coach. you’re such a genius thinking we would need more than 4 runs to beat this pathetic team. GREAT AND THANKS FOR RUINING OUR SEASON. I HOPE YOU CRASH ONTO A SPEEDING TRUCK.
So what happens if the pitcher’s spot comes up this inning again? Bobby?
Thats why interleague play is dumb. The rules should not change in the middle of a season.
Angel, is actually my name Frankie.
No need for the quotes.
Wang is pathetic cause he can’t run? Some fans need to get over themselves. The guy has just pitched off an elevated mound and has not been on a basepath since who knows when.
Just hope CMW caught a crap or something and nothing major.
Sbabthia struck out 10 padres. He’s looking good these days. Think they will actually trade this guy?
Looks like an ankle injury, wanger might be out 6-8 weeks
Wow, poor Wesley Wright?
Doesn’t Houston think they might be overusing Wesley Wright? He has appeared in all three games of this series now and is getting smoked.
melky, kennedy, and betances for sabathia
Beyond pathetic that Wang can’t run the bases without pulling a hammy.
This blog has now turned into General Hospital
Where did all this offense come from? Are the bats finally awoken for good? Just when the pitching WAS coming together? This team is a big tease.
The is the least happy I’ve ever been about an 11-0 lead. I’m furious right now.
Now the loss of Wang won’t hurt to much. Not even Krazy Kyle could blow this one.
So back to NY with a 4 game winning streak, SD on the way. If they keep playing this way, could be a 7 game by next Friday.
Fingers crossed. Just hope this is not an anomaly of offensive production. They are the Yankees who love .500
Wang’s not going to miss just a start by the way he came out of the game. We’ll be lucky if he’s only 15 day DL.
Why was Wang sent. Did Bobby forget that the pitcher was at second? Stupid move. And now it could cost the Yankees.
FYI – the very definition of a know-it-all, is someone making a diagnosis about something they have no idea about, because they have no concrete facts.
It look like he pulled something. But hey you never know. It just sucks! SUCKS!
oops, meant leg *cramp*
i hate to second guess, but what’s wrong with station to station baseball for pitchers. staying at third was an option.
If Cleveland is even contemplating trading C.C., I’m sure they’ll lower the price if Wang is really hurt. Out of sympathy.
“Begin conversation of trading for CC Sabathia”
let’s hope not. I’d prefer another SP that wouldn’t cost as much in prospects. I’m thinking Aaron Cook. Colorado will definitely be a seller this year.
But hopefully Wang’s injury isnt serious and this will be a moot point. Praying hard to the baseball gods on this one.
If it is a hammy forget seeing Wang til September.
That swing camera is cool…but how come YES doesn’t have one of those super slow motion cameras that follows the ball from the pitchers hand so you can see the spin on the ball really clearly. Other networks have these cameras where it takes like 10 seconds for the ball to go from pitchers hand to catchers glove. You can see the movement and the seams really clearly. It’s cool. What’s the deal YES?
Didn’t he just have a calf problem a couple of weeks ago. Lets not jump to conclusion. BTW anytime someone is limping it doesn’t look good.
probably just rolled an ankle or something, I mean the whole dugout looks merry and joking around with each run scoring. I’m sure they wouldn’t be in such a jovial mood if Wang suffered anything serious.
Now let’s talk about the important stuff–how the hell did that hot chick in the white tube top get replaced with that dorky guy? What’s wrong with her bf? He brings someone like THAT to the park and exchanges her for a dorky chubby drinking buddy?
Somewhat Pyrrhic victory? Are you kidding me? Total Pyrrhic victory.
To all the knuckleheads here criticizing Wang for getting injured while running, saying it’s so easy, blah blah..
Pujols recenlty busted his leg running from home to first. Do you dare criticize his running ability? Of course not – he’s not Asian.
This is ridiculous that people are saying Wang is not an athlete or than he can’t run. I bet he can outrun all of you. You don’t know what happened with him yet, please refrain from judgement.
Agreed, randy l. And I wouldnt be so prone to second guessing sending runners if Meachem hadn’t already made so many horrendous decisions this season.
“Angel” put a cork in it. No one needs to hear you moan about people talking about the injury.
It looked like Wang got hurt going in to 2nd to me.
Are people honestly mad that Wang isn’t a good baserunner/batter? That’s exactly what you want your AL pitchers to do, right? Have bunting, batting, and baserunning practices all the time for their 3 or 6 at bats per year… more chances to get hurt!
Ok, Ohlendorf pitching makes NO freakin sense. Must every Yankee manager abuse the hell out of one bull pen pitcher. This guy is on his way to being Scott Proctor.
Bad move by Joe
Who’s pitching? Would love to see Kyle for a third day. See what kind of hijinx would ensue with an 11 run lead.
Never mind Ollie in.
oh wait I see now the guy disappeared too.
They must’ve decided to ahem, do something during the 7th inning stretch. Can’t blame him.
I guess this shows what they think of Ohlendorf. Where are Hawkins, Giese?
11-0 and he walks the leadoff batter.
This is why ohlendorf stinks.
There was 2 outs and a 3-2 count to Jeter. The runners were going that is why Wang went home. You can’t blame Meachum for that. There was no throw going to home even with Wang jogging home.
Ross, there’s this thing called the strike zone. Please find it.
when will the N.L join the 21st centry, go to the d.h.
The A.L. should not play under N.L. rules, hugh advantage for the N.L. Bud Selig should rot in hell.
With an 11 run lead Ohlendorf needs to throw strikes!
“Think they will actually trade this guy?”
Are you kidding me? As soon as Shapiro hears about Wang, he’s going to get as excited as an 8 year old on Christmas Eve.
Great game for the offense.
Unfortunately it looks like the team will be paying for this victory for quite awhile. I understand the optimism on here and we all want Wang to be ok, but he either has a serious injury or has zero tolerance for pain.
Did you guys watch that? He couldn’t put any weight on the leg. It looked a lot more serious to me than what a lot of you guys think.
the curse of bobby meachem
blaming meachem is almost as bad as blaming jeter for getting the hit.
Unless he’s Paul Pierce in disguise !!
yes, BBB, let’s settle for crap like aaron cook… NOT.
This team needs someone to battle beckett. Sabathia is our best option.
They sent Wang because there were two outs and a 3-2 count Wang was off on the pitch and he scored with no throw while limping in on a bad leg.
“Pujols recenlty busted his leg running from home to first. Do you dare criticize his running ability? Of course not – he’s not Asian.”
Does that make any sense?? Asians can’t run??
Thank you.
you guys realize that it was 3-2 with 2 outs and Wang was moving on the pitch – he was rounding third base before the ball was even close to the outfielder. When the ball came back in the cutoff man (i’m assuming it was Erstad) didn’t even turn to look to throw home… he pulled up hurt half way home and still scored without a play – don’t blame Bobby Mecham (sp?) on that one
Did anyone see Meachum yesterday waiving Jeter home? Jeter just stopped at third (He would have been out by 20 feet).
Bring back Willie (If he gets axed).
Giese should be pitching here imo. He hasnt pitched in a while no? I don’t agree with giving long relievers such long layoffs, then theyre rusty when you really need them…
Who cares who they trade for Sabathia?
I want to win this year and if we have such a good system and such a good draft as everyone says does it matter if we trade 3 prospects?
That is why we have a great system right???
Hopefully the prospects are all as great as Ian Kennedy.
Get CC
didnt wang point at his foot though? i dunno if its a leg cramp just yet.. lets wait and see
Its always something with this team.. Can’t even enjoy the sweep now.
How come you guys all knew that Wang was hurt and the staff didn’t?
“Does that make any sense?? Asians can’t run??”
What I meant was, that the Asian athlete gets heavy criticism for doing something that other players do all the time, and yet those other players don’t get that criticism at all.
Geise should take Wangs next start
i notice the pretty lady behind homeplate is gone now, maybe they asked over the PA if there is a podiatrist in the house and now she was called to duty to work some magic on the wang?
Its going to take someone with a whole lot more significance to me than you “Frankie D” to make me shut up.
I’m not going anywhere.
“Bring back Willie (If he gets axed).”
With the way the Mets are playing, it looks like that might happen soon
Let’s hope Wang is just a hypochondriac and pulled up out of fear and it is nothing.
But get CC anyway. More great SP’s the better
“This team needs someone to battle beckett. Sabathia is our best option.”
Yeah, because he did such a wonderful job of battling Beckett last October.
I’m so sick of these “Ohlendorf is being overused/abused” comments.
He’s not being overused. He pitched an inning yesterday (badly I might add) and has pitched twice in the last 7 games. Not only is he not being overused, but even if he was, who cares?
He’s not very good. All you guys that think he has a golden arm need to rejoin reality. I’d rather see Veras, Ramirez, even Giese in a close game over Ohlendorf.
Again, he’s just not that good.
foot injuries are the worst.
Wang was pointing to his foot. Let’s just wait and see.
What’s wrong with ollie pitching? This is the exact situation Ohlendorf should be used for–low pressure mop up duty in blow out games.
The guy ran up a 5+ ERA in AAA. His first-inning ERA is close to 6. I wish folks would stop it with the “misused” nonsense. He’s not a good pitcher, period.
Well, Pete reported above that Wang hurt his right foot. Being examined right now.
Jeez, cross your fingers and hope for the best.
Thanks for the quick updates pete.
I don’t care if you go anywhere “Angel”. Juts put a cork in trying to tell people what to do. That so hard??? Or do you like being a board bully?
“What I meant was, that the Asian athlete gets heavy criticism for doing something that other players do all the time, and yet those other players don’t get that criticism at all.”
BS. Can we save the race card for issues where its actually relevant?
People are having a go at Wang because they’re being idiots, not because of anything to do with his race.
They just said a right foot injury for Wang, not sure how that helps us..
Nick in SF but now in Charlotte:
THanks but I’m waiting for you to say Daniel McCutchen should be rushed up to the majors like Kennedy and Hughes was to replace or that Robertson pitcher.
But honestly Joba,Mussina,and Rasner need Wang to go 200 innings this year because not one of these pitchers can give you that.And isn’t this the third straight year Wang is maybe heading to the DL.Hopefully not but again this is why you don’t have Kennedy,Hughes asnd Joba all together in the rotation because Wang and Pettitte are a hamstring injury away from missing two months.
As the resident Asian, I’ll speak up. In general we can’t run fast. Let’s put this in perspective. Brian Clay (World Champion Decathlete) is half Japanese. But running is his weakness. Oh yeah, he’s half-black. His slow genes trumped his speed genes.
Pete says it’s the foot. Let’s hope it’s not broken and he only missed a start of two.
“What I meant was, that the Asian athlete gets heavy criticism for doing something that other players do all the time, and yet those other players don’t get that criticism at all.”
Yeah, because Ichiro and Kaz Matsui both get ripped for being terrible runners all the time.
Jesus. We got some morons here.
actually rebecca a foot injury is not as bad (usually) as an achilles, hamstring, or ankle. As long as there is not fracture my best guess would be All star break.
Peter,
Already, is there a talk show in your future?
Spare me.
I didnt tell anyone what to do Frankie. I made fun of them after they did it.
Just like you conveniently jumping out of the woodwork to criticize me under one of your many names, as usual? When your opinion matters to me, I’ll let you know.
Have a nice life.
Gameday showing “injured foot/ankle”. Let’s hope he just rolled the ankle. Anything else, he would’ve called for the trainer.
“yes, BBB, let’s settle for crap like aaron cook… NOT.”
he’d be a short-term Band Aid. As opposed to mortgaging the farm for a fat pitcher with a ton of innings on his arm and then having to give him a huge deal, thus ensuring that we continue to pay a lot in the luxury tax and simeltaneously keep helping small-market teams fund their rosters.
PLease just a Sprain.
right foot
Thats his push off foot.
What would you guys say our chances are of landing Lincecum? I can’t decide if the Yankees woul have an excellent shot or no shot.
In one respect, he’s the franchise player for the Giants, but on the other, the Giants are a (theoretically) horrible team and need help de-aging the team.
So, what do you think?
I know who could easily replace Wang, The Kei man ok I am sorry that is awful.
This is one reason why I HATE interleague play. At the very least AL teams should be allowed to have a designated pinch runner for their pitchers. I hope Wang is not hurt as badly as it seems right now.
“People are having a go at Wang because they’re being idiots, not because of anything to do with his race.”
We to judge everyone here “Angel”. Stop acting like a jerk.
I know they’re up 11 runs and I dont see the Astros scoring 11, but can MK not talk as if a sweep is a foregone conclusion. Ouch.
right foot injury is a cover up term, something is wrong w/ Wang but they don’t want to announce it, and they’ve been doing that alot this year.
Upper body injury
lower body injury
this right foot injury isn’t what it is.
“People are having a go at Wang because they’re being idiots”
I don’t see how it’s idiotic to criticize a player for not taking the simple and proper precautions when they’re about to do something they haven’t done in a while — in this case, run. I get pissed when it happens to any player. It’s so incredibly avoidable, it makes my blood boil. Five minutes on a stationary bike or doing a dynamic stretching warmup and running injuries would pretty much never happen. It’s the last they can do when they’re getting paid such insane sums of money.
I have to come down on Meachem here. You have a starting pitcher who had 8 or so career at bats, no hits, and has barely if ever run the bases. His job isn’t to hit, it’s too pitch. Even with two outs an the runners on the move, Meachem has to take that into account and stop Wang at Third. 4-0, with Jeter up. Scoring one extra run (even if it was basically a give me) vs. risking a pitcher’s health by over-stretching him is a simple call. Very tough break.
The chances of getting Lincecum? Zero? He’s cost controlled for like 5 more years. Trade Cano, Joba+ and maybe you can get him.
“What would you guys say our chances are of landing Lincecum? I can’t decide if the Yankees woul have an excellent shot or no shot.”
Call us when you get back from Fantasy Land. Are you kidding? Can we also get Chase Utley and Joe Nathan to pitch the 8th and Pujols???
If Wang broke his foot, he’s going to be out for a while.
How could it be a cover up? He’s barely been out of the game for 10-15 minutes, they have to examine him first to know what it is!
Trade for CC? No way man, we don’t want no Fat Toad #2.
Forget CC, I’d rather see McCutchen get a chance.
Damon and his broken bats are hilarious!
How did Wang’s ethnicity even become a topic of conversation in this?
Bring the racial stereotypes over to the Boston blogs, something tells me theyd be a lot more welcome over there.
Yeah it’s the third base coaches fault that the runner hurts his foot actually running.
What is wrong with you people?
Keith and Terry: Thanks. Didn’t realize he was cost controlled.
I’ll keep dreaming
“He’s not very good. All you guys that think he has a golden arm need to rejoin reality. I’d rather see Veras, Ramirez, even Giese in a close game over Ohlendorf.
Again, he’s just not that good.”
That would be 100% correct. As iv said before, just because he throws a sinker doesnt make him the Wang out of the bullpen.
The positive part of Wangs injury is it looked like the ankle or foot. That is much better than a hamstring or knee. Lets hope hes alright.
Uhh, right, Brandon. I’m sure they know *exactly* what’s wrong 15 minutes after it happened in a baseball lockeroom.
Ichiro has not been injured while running, so you’re not going to see criticism of his running ability.
But Wang, the Asian pitcher, gets heavy criticism for getting injured while running. And yet, Pujols does not get criticism for hurting his calf while running.
So why the double standard? Why hate Wang so much? Because he’s a Yankee? Because he’s a pitcher? Because he’s Asian?
“What would you guys say our chances are of landing Lincecum?”
Start with Hughes and Cano, and show genuine willingness to take Zito’s contract off their hands. :\
start ohlendorf if wangs done
Don’t be so happy its a “foot” injury. See: Giambi last season and Bruney currently.
Don’t look now, but the Mets game isn’t over yet.
“But Wang, the Asian pitcher, gets heavy criticism for getting injured while running.”
What “heavy” criticism? I see just as many people defending him as I do criticizing him.
Jeff NJ June 15th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Forget CC, I’d rather see McCutchen get a chance.
Because having a shutdown lefty and the reigning Cy Young winner would be terrible. Instead you want a projected 5th starter.
Really?
You know Wangfan, I’m pretty sure that pitchers do a lot of stretching of their legs before games considering how much they use them just to pitch. They probably condition them a good bit.
@yankeejosh – sure meachem has to take into consideration that wang makes it to third base safely but cant run to home because it’s likely that he will hurt his foot? That was just bad luck. nobody to blame.
how could he break his foot running! that is amazing if he broke it running, i give him props for doing that.
Why are people even answering the moron who said trade for Lincecum?
ankle sprains can take linger to heal than broken ankles.
bottom line is the yankees are going to need another starter.
isn’t there an off day where someone can be skipped this next time through the rotation?
that’ll buy a little time.
Two words. Dan McCutcheon.
I’m listening to the radio (painful as always)
Did he jam his foot on 3rd base or was it between 3rd and home?
Randy: There’s an off day tomorrow.
Jefferey: It’s wishful thinking, nothing more.
“Why are people even answering the moron who said trade for Lincecum?”
Because this is what we call a ‘discussion forum.’
Hello CC. Welcome to NY. A few months early than when you would sign as a FA but still welcome.
Is McCutcheon in AA or AAA? Yeah, I know, I’ve been out of it.
That’s probably true Tseng, but it doesn’t really do anything if it’s done before the game. They should really just do some sort of simply warmup before every at-bat to avoid injury.
Yes McCutchen pitched a cg shut out last night, but his other AAA starts have not been great. Would rather see Alan Horne get a shot.
If he broke his foot while running, I doubt he would have been able to limp home on it. I tore all the tendons around my ankle, and couldn’t walk, let alone limp on it for a week.
Just wait and see what they say. Peter will let us know as soon as he knows something.
Bob, the price for CC in prospects and/or dollars is not the direction this franchise should go. And long term deals for pitchers almost never work out. That being said, if CC is a free agent, I’m fine signing him.
I’m not getting the blame on the Wang injury. How is it Wang’s or Meachem’s fault?
Sometimes #@#$ happens. Its just a bad break.
Its not like Wang doesn’t run. He runs everyday between his starts.
Sometimes, stuff just happens. I don’t see where anyone is to blame. Its just a bad break. Hopefully, its a 15 day DL deal and nothing more.
Rebecca,
A 0% chance the Giants trade him. They will build their pitching staff around him.
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If he broke his foot we’ll see Wang in 2009.
the Rangers bullpen is AWFUL my goodness
“Because having a shutdown lefty and the reigning Cy Young winner”
Bartolo Colon won a Cy Young award. Barry Zito won a Cy Young award. The Cy Young award isn’t the final word on CC.
Look at mcCutcheon’s AAA numbers. You sure you want him up here?
Yankee Josh and others
stop blaming bobby – you guys make it sound like Wang does nothing but pitch… before the game – Wang (and every other pitcher) runs.. after the game he runs – between starts.. he runs. Wang and the rest of the pitching staff probably run more then anyone else on the team… he didn’t hurt himself because bobby tried to stretch him and he slid into the catcher and got hurt in a collision, he got hurt basically jogging home
wang was going around third great when he saw the girl in the white top in the second row…
it’s her fault.
WangFan88, stick to scouting out the girls in the stands. B*tching about an athlete coming up lame while he’s trying to get across ome plate? Yeah, and making millions makes an athlete injury-proof.
Tom,
You don’t think managers, especially American League managers get scared when their pitchers reach base? Half these pitchers run the bses with their jackets on. IMO, there is no reason to ever go beyond station to station base running with pitchers who run the base paths for maybe 2 or 3 games at most a year. Yes, it was a freak injury, and not Meachem’s fault he got hurt, but Bobby put him in a position where he was more likely to get hurt having to bust it. A player can coast going 90 feet, but they have to bust it to try and score and go 180. For one run while the team was already leading, the risk reward is not worth it. Plain and simple.
Yeah, too soon to make judgments. Wang pitched a few years ago with a really bad rotator cuff and finished the season and still pitched well and he’s had calf injuries and been back fine. In fact he pitched most of last season with a really bad finger. Wait and see what happens. If he really hurt it badly, he would have had a lot more trouble scoring than he did. Even jamming your foot a little hurts to the point of not being able to bear weight on it for a few minutes after it happens.
Edwar. Strike Zone. Find it.
Bob, the price for CC in prospects and/or dollars is not the direction this franchise should go. And long term deals for pitchers almost never work out. That being said, if CC is a free agent, I’m fine signing him.
This team has a payroll of 220 mill every eyar and they have 90 mill coming off it next year.
They desperately need SP and sometimes you have to pay for it.
Prospects? Don’t they have a top 5 farm system? They can afford to trade a few prospects.
Why do some fans try to make this team into the Oakland A’s?
We can easily afford pitchers of Sabathia’s pedigree.
I’m sure Wang didn’t “break” his foot running. If anything, he tore a tendon, perhaps his plantar fascia (which is what put Giambi on the shelf last season).
randy,
You got it wrong. They showed two girls on the Kiss Cam.
What is wrong with you people? One of the best Yankees pitchers is injured and I have no idea what kind of garbage I’m reading in trying to catch up with the post-injury posts. Anti-Asian sentiment? Bobby Meacham blame? In-fighting? Plus the Yankees scored 11 runs. Get a grip people.
I’m concerned that Wang is injured, especially just when (a), he seems out of his slump; and (b) the Yankees rotation has just put together 4 nice outings IN A ROW!!!! What rotten timing. I hope the injury doesn’t cause Wang to miss too much time, but I’m sure Rebecca’s right; probably more than one start.
Confucius,
I know you think our prospects are the cats meow but be objective.
McCutcheon is projected to be at best a 4th starter. Hows that Kennedy doing? Even Hughes hasn’t impressed anyone.
But you don’t want a dominant in his prime lefty? Um ok.
C’mon Edwar. It’s a 1 run lead, not 11.
“he’d be a short-term Band Aid. As opposed to mortgaging the farm for a fat pitcher with a ton of innings on his arm and then having to give him a huge deal, thus ensuring that we continue to pay a lot in the luxury tax and simeltaneously keep helping small-market teams fund their rosters.”
Oh yea? Kennedy is a midget, but that’s ok, right? he’s sooo much better than a fatty but electric pitcher like sabathia…. NOT.
What about skinny boy Betances? He’s so GOOOOOD except he walks 6 a game.
Yeah, please think before you post.
No one said anything anti asian except for the supposed asian guy who said asians can’t run.
They can’t drive cars.
But they can run. See Ichiro.
Does Girardi go with Hawkins here? Maybe they need to score another run or two first.
“If he broke his foot we’ll see Wang in 2009.”
It is neat that JB can diagnose an injury like that – do you have any other superpowers beside x-ray vision and the ability to make stupid statements for other’s to enjoy?
I guess God just got tired of injuring Pavano.
IF Wang goes on the DL, I would think the Yanks would start with either Jeff Karstens or Dan Giese or even Kei…nah, I hope not.
And you remember how long Giambi was out last season. Till the Cleveland series in August.
Well lets see…..
The other night, one clown in here declared Posada “hurt and out for the season”.
When Arod got hurt, we were told he was “done” by folks in here.
Why don’t we do something novel? How about we wait for an actual diagnosis?
If you guys watch the euro 08′ right now. It is the most incredible game ever!!!
If its the achilles he’s done til this time next year.
I swear, if we trade for CC Sabathia.. We need to thing long-term and not what will help us for the next 2 months
I swear, if we trade for CC Sabathia.. We need to thing long-term and not what will help us for the next 2 months
I think i’d be pretty critical of albert pujols, too. The thing about wang is, he was only on base b/c he couldn’t get a good bunt down like he should have.
fate’s a bitch
I’m sure Wang and the other pitchers prepared the best they could for running the bases. But there is no substitute for what happens during a game. In the grand scheme of things, scoring one run when you have a healthy lead as opposed to risking the health of a starting pitcher, the decision to hold him at third should have been a no brainer imo. This isn’t an isolated incident with Meachem either. I’ve seen him with Girardi in Florida and this year to know that he’s a bad third base coach. The biggest loss of the off-season was losing Larry Bowa.
“Why do some fans try to make this team into the Oakland A’s?
We can easily afford pitchers of Sabathia’s pedigree.”
Nobody’s saying we can’t afford him but given all the question marks attatched to CC, do we really want to make that kind of a commitment, and on top of that give up all the prospects, especially to a team who may be trotting those prospects out against us in the playoffs in a few years?
Just because we have money to spend doesn’t mean we should spend it foolishly. Bill Gates can easily afford a $1,000 a day heroin habit, but you don’t see him tying off, do you?
“Why don’t we do something novel? How about we wait for an actual diagnosis?”
Thanks, Captain Obvious.
Vance,
I’m not a guy (and that was a big joke btw). We don’t get offended when people say we can’t run. The driving comment? Now, that’s offensive.
ok , dan giese will buy some time too for a game or two.
things like this is why they try to have depth at triple a .
ok, you minor league experts, who’s ready to come up?
the patients are out today. Wang got hurt because he did.
no one did anything wrong, sh-t happens.
if it is a long term injury of course that would be terrible but they have many good young arms that are better options in my opinion then Karstens in either Horne or Mccutcheon…
Horne in his 2 starts in AAA has done very well since coming back from an injury…
Nobody’s saying we can’t afford him but given all the question marks attatched to CC, do we really want to make that kind of a commitment, and on top of that give up all the prospects, especially to a team who may be trotting those prospects out against us in the playoffs in a few years?
The commitment is part of the game now. You have to pay for starting pitching. Average pitchers get 5 year deals. That is a fact of life. So I wouldn’t mind giving 7 years to a durable lefty.
Prospects are there to be used to help the big league club. That is on the people in charge of evaluating the organizations own prospects and deciding who is better.
If we have such a great system why not use it to get better?
Why, Wang….
WHY?
I thought it was really old people in Buicks that were the bad drivers.
Why is arod still playing? One all star injured this game is enough. Girardi get Betimet or Moeller a glove out there!
Rob: Who’s playing?
pete, i love your blog, but speculating just fuels people’s anxiousness. you are going to give these people a heart attack.
pete, i love your blog, but speculating just fuels people’s anxiousness. you are going to give these people a heart attack.
How bad did Wang’s injury look? I was just with my dad and turned on the game.
“We don’t get offended when people say we can’t run. The driving comment? Now, that’s offensive.”
Well, we all know asian women can’t drive. Come on. That is not even a stereotype at this point.
lol
“I know you think our prospects are the cats meow but be objective.”
Then you know less than you think. I wanted to do Hughes for Santana. I was upset when we didn’t. I was never as high on Hughes as a lot of our fans and scouts were, and Santana is the best in the game. It depends on what you’re giving up and what you’re getting.
“But you don’t want a dominant in his prime lefty? Um ok.”
For one thing he’s not ‘dominant’ in my view. He’s had one season of Cy Young worthy numbers. His others weren’t as good, and he hasn’t been as good this season. He’s also got a terrible track record against Boston and their big hitters, and he was bad against them and us in the postseason. But that’s not the larger issue. The larger issue to me is that ‘in his prime’ has to be considered differently given his past weight issues. Not every overweight pitcher is going to have David Wells’ long-term success, and you can’t give up valued prospects and big money banking on it.
You want to give up McCutheon and Kennedy, fine. But a lot of people want to discuss giving up Robinson Cano and/or Dellin Betances. Those are two guys I’m, personally, attached to. I think Cano is one of our most valuable offensive players, and I think Betances will be better than Hughes. Trading either for CC Sabathia would drive me crazy, especially after we didn’t trade Hughes for Santana.
And how the bloody heck did Switzerland beat Portugal?
I would be surprised if Wang misses more than 3-4 starts but of course the foot that he hurts had to be the right one…. ugh.
Hopefully a minor sprain…
“Angel” I’m dying to hear you tip Pete for his diagnosis post.
I won’t hold my breath.
Hawkins is warming up in the bullpen. I think that we have enough of a lead for Girardi to bring him in.
When people injure their achilles, they collapse, they don’t score.
kill schill: Wang couldn’t make it down the dugout stairs.
Your welcome. It beats speculating over things we don’t know anything about, doesn’t it?
We have no idea how bad it is. Sometimes, what looks bad at first glance isn’t that bad.
You hope its not the achilles because that’s not just a season ending injury, that’s a career threatening injury for a pitcher. That’s a scary injury.
I’d rather not speculate and hope for the best.
If its a serious injury, they will go outside the organization to find a pitcher. They won’t replace Wang long term with somebody from the minors.
Could be Freddie Garcia in a month. Could be CC if they want to go all in.
“Why don’t we do something novel? How about we wait for an actual diagnosis?”
we pretty much know he’s not pitching in his next start.
who’s the best option at scranton for that next start?
Did anyone watch the Euro 2008 match? I simply cannot believe that Turkey won.
oy veh
Asians can run just fine, but we usually don’t need to so people think we can’t. The trick is to stay out of situations where you’d have to run.
And we drive just fine. Well,… American born asians do anyways.
From what I’ve heard about tearing your achilles, Wang would have been in alot more pain than he was.
I’ve been told it’s like being smashed in your heel with a sledgehammer.
But who knows… gulp.
Ack Pete, what kind of speculation is that about? Seriously, thats the kind of stuff you get on fans for doing.
Pete, you said it would be McCutchen or Karstens. I think they would go to Giese before either one.
Vance,
Believe it or not, the Japanese make these fancy cars where you can move your seat UP and DOWN. Through the miracle of technology, we can now see over the wheel!
Save some runs for San Diego.
“When people injure their achilles, they collapse, they don’t score.”
I’ve seen plenty of athletes hobble off the field with achilles injuries.
Cano is not a prospect anymore so I don’t know where you get that, Confucius.
And they certainly won’t trade their all star 25 yr old middle infielder for a FA to be.
So, relax.
And what do we know? maybe they have Betances on their “do not trade list” of prospects. Or maybe they evaluated him and don’t think he’ll be good. That is their job. To decide what prospects will make it and who won’t.
Wang got hurt between 3rd and home it seemed and still managed to run well enough to get home. If he hurt the foot, it’s going to be painful, that’s why he had to be helped off the field. If he were really hurt badly, he would have been running much worse around 3rd. Let’s see what it is first. How many times does a guy get helped off the field and it’s only a twisted ankle or something and he’s back in 2 or 3 games?
The Astros pitching has totally lost it today, but I just can’t be happy…We lost some pitching for a good amount of time. Really hoping it’s nothing terribly serious and Wanger will be back in a couple months.
It is Boston Dave. I’ve done it – the pain is ferocious. I could not put any weight on my foot the minute I did it.. no limping home for me at all.
Achilles injury?
He would have collapsed.
100 runs in this game won’t take away the sting of Wang’s injury.
He sprained an ankle. He’s going to be out 2-3 weeks and miss 4 starts.
Chill out.
rconn, didja see them score, too?
UPDATE, 4:41 p.m.: Those of you in the comments section blaming Bobby Meachem are wrong. Wang was running on the play and there was no play at the plate. He scored without a play even though he got hurt. It was just a freak thing.
Pitchers run almost every day before games and they run hard. Wang runs almost every day, either on his own or with the other pitchers. He just got hurt, it happens.
Pete, I still disagree. The issue isn’t about whether he’d of scored or not. If it’s a normal non-pitching runner, it’s the right call to send the runner there. But game situations are different from anything done in practice. All I’m simply saying is that when your ace pitcher is running the bases, discretion is the better part of valor.
Turkey played out of their minds that second half.
Karstens?
I just threw up my lunch.
awwwww…
I guess my Lincoln Continental joke was erased.
Sorry, to any offended.
I just passed a corner, and a Bobby Meachem lynch mob was forming…
Im upset about wang but does anyone else think they didnt put in dan giese in because he might start in wangs place?
I remember when Gabe Kapler popped his achilles, it looked like he was shot. He went right down and didn’t get up.
Your foot just hangs as if its hanging by a thread when you pop your achilles.
When they were looking at his foot, Wang didn’t point to his achilles. He pointed to the top of his foot.
Wang gets hurt a lot but seems to grind through it usually. Made of glass, he is not.
The thing that worries me, though, is that this entire season they’ve always understated the injuries.
He was already running from 2nd with a 3-2 count and 2 outs. It was not hit terribly hard into right he easily would have scored even jogging. If they held him up and Houston came back with 2 or 3 runs in the next inning you’d be screaming at Meacham. It was not a mistake to send him. It was a freak injury.
Maybe its a little ‘turf toe’…
If Bobby hadn’t sent Wang people would have complained so this is a bit of a no-win situation for him. Wang took off at the pitch so if Bobby had held him up it would have looked tremendously silly.
Tiger is putting on a show for all to see. He blames his knee on all his bad shots He does a get job of milking the camera
“I’ve been told it’s like being smashed in your heel with a sledgehammer.”
I heard Dan Marino talk about his Achilles rupture on TV – he said at first he thought someone had shot him.
ouch.
Good a guess as any.
Hawkins. Strike Zone. Find it.
“Cano is not a prospect anymore so I don’t know where you get that, Confucius.”
Check out the comments over the last few days. There are people here who would push that trade button.
Randy,
They could put Geise in the rotation (he was starting in Scranton) and call up David Robertson if they DL Wang.
That’s what I would do in the short term.
If its a long term injury, I make a prospects only run at CC. If that works, great. If not, you can either look at Freddie Garcia when he is ready after the AS Break, or see who else is out there.
“Made of glass, he is not.”
Yoda, is that you?
Pete is DEAD wrong. Everyone could see from how he ran to 2B, that Wang was very awkward on the basepaths. Meacham’s job is to read each situation and react accordingly. As soon as Jeter made contact, Meacham should have thrown up the stop sign, allowing Wang to coast into 3B. Instead, he sent him home on a play that could have ended with a play at the plate. Even that outcome would have been an unnecessary risk. Just because Pence didn’t make a good throw, doesn’t mean he couldn’t have.
Meacham’s ignorance could have very well destroyed the entire. If you don’t think that deserves blame, then I wish you were my boss.
Nobody blows their Achilles Tendon rounding third base.
It is a sprained ankle and Wang will miss one start primarily because the trainers want to cover their behinds.
In hindsight, wouldn’t it better for Wang just to get struck out instead of bunting? Maybe it’s still 3-0 with a healthy pitcher.
I dunno. A pitcher scoring from second on a single in a blowout seems a little risky.
Hopefully, it won’t be catastrophic. Silver lining-Hank fires Bobby M?
Don’t worry people. I’m sure Cashman is reading this and is going to trade for Lincecum right after the game.
How did a freak injury turn into Asians cant drive? Seriously even in blow out games people seem to find a Yankee to rag on. It looked like the front of his foot not an achillies. Lets hope he just jammed it and is out only a couple weeks. Im sure he didnt aggrivate it today DRIVING to the park. Chill people.
Is Meachum the most bashed third base coach ever?
Wang was rounding 3rd before the ball even got through the infield. There was no play on him and he was coasting into home plate. There would have been no excuse for Meacham to hold him up, he would have gotten yelled at even more for it. STOP SCAPEGOATING. Wang got hurt, HIMSELF, running home. It was a weird injury and he was not running badly before it at all. He was not awkward on the bases, it only looked so because he did not slide into 2nd and stopped abruptly on the base. Stop making things up like that, especially if you don’t know what you’re talking about.
If it is an achilles it was not a complete tear. Because with tears people often collapse in a heap of pain. Pujos hurt his calf a little while ago and looked like he got shot in the leg. I think Pujos is out 4 weeks
“Check out the comments over the last few days. There are people here who would push that trade button.”
And we also have comments about trading Damon, cutting Giambi, trading for Lincecum, etc.
Relax.
“The commitment is part of the game now. You have to pay for starting pitching. Average pitchers get 5 year deals. That is a fact of life. So I wouldn’t mind giving 7 years to a durable lefty.
Prospects are there to be used to help the big league club. That is on the people in charge of evaluating the organizations own prospects and deciding who is better.
If we have such a great system why not use it to get better?”
I agree with all of this in principle, but I still think there is a big neon blinking “Buyer Beware” sign hanging over CC’s head. First of all the durability issue, yes he’s been durable so far but how much longer will that continue? He’s thrown SO many innings for his age, I can’t help but find that a bit worrisome. Then there is the issue of his weight (excessive) and conditioning (poor.) On top of that, he didn’t exactly pitch well in the playoffs and that was in a one-newspaper town, how will he handle the pressure in NY?
The farm system does need to be used to improve the major league club, but if CC helps us for a year or two and then handcuffs us for 5 (which is what I fear would happen) then in the grand scheme of things are we really improving the big club?
I know you have to take chances on top-tier pitchers, but for all the reasons above I see CC as a very risky chance to take.
Fires Bobby M?
I think Hank serves him old, stale sushi, ties him to a post, and order’s a firing squad.
“A complete and utter waste of humanity. ROBINSON CANO”
You’re not exactly God’s gift to mankind either.
jesus Latroy seriously is Mr. Clean, now he’s topping out at 96 mph in mop up innings
BTW, Acevedes could pitch Saturday as well.
He pitches tomorrow.
Lincecum, Lincecum, Lincecum…
What is the big deal with this kid?
Alright, he’s done okay for himself, but he’s tiny, what 5-10 tops, and a stiff breeze would blow him over.
Don’t see too many innings on an arm like that.
Looks like he should be playing Dungeons and Dragons rather than baseball.
Reminds me of Rich Harden, another lil’ guy who is an injury waiting to happen.
Blaming Meachem for Wang’s injury is just dumb. It really is.
There is no better conditioned athlete on the Yankees than Arod. Nobody is even close. He wins all of their fitness and strength tests hands down.
He hurt his quad TWICE running this season. A guy who is always running and he got hurt. He’s still not 100%.
Stuff happens. You don’t hold Wang at third on a 3-2 bases loaded situation when he is already running with the pitch.
He’s already at the base by the time the leaves the bat.
Its not the third base coach’s fault Wang got hurt. Nor what it anybody else’s fault when Arod got hurt.
Frankly, you can do more damage to a guy when you have him pull up suddenly than you can when he’s running full speed.
Don’t forget about Jeff Marquez, Peter who has pitched well ever since his 2nd start in May.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Jeffrey%20Marquez&pos=P&sid=t531&t=p_pbp&pid=457812
“Fires Bobby M?
I think Hank serves him old, stale sushi, ties him to a post, and order’s a firing squad.”
Hank wanted Santana…he want CC i bet too, right now I bet he is happy, even more of a reason go go after CC.
If Wang is really hurt and needs to miss a couple of starts then it is only his fault and no one elses. Not Meachem…Wang should be smart enough to know not to bust it full strength down the line. Especially in a what was a 10-0 game..I could see if it was a close game. It seems like he is not that bright just not not knowing how to make his own mechanical adjustments. No one to blame but himself for not using his brain.
Aceves, Alfredo
SJ44, what do you think about Aceves starting on Saturday?
BTW, SJ44, we all expect you to get the real news on the extent of Wang’s injury, whatever the Yankees say.
rconn, didja see them score, too?
Phil, No but I did see my 60-year old mother, who is anything but an athlete – hobble along after she tore hers. It’a freak injury, and painful, and alot of times people who have it are in initial shock. But I’ve seen football and baseball players hobble off the field, and later you find it’s an achilles tear.
Whether Wang is out for a long time or not, I don’t want to see them trade for Sabathia.
SJ44
June 15th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Blaming Meachem for Wang’s injury is just dumb. It really is.
A kettle calling the pot black…
10 bucks says Hank doesn’t even know who CC is.
bronxbomber77
You mean like Roy Oswalt?
Stick to selling hair care products, Guiseppe!
Wang was not rounding third when the ball reached the OF. There was plenty of time to hold him up. Instead, the Yankees are looking at 3 months of Kei Igawa. Great job Meacham…way to not read an obvious situation and torpedo the Yankees season.
First base ump wants to go home
Horne is the better choice, strikes to balls he’s more ready.
No way that is an achilles tendon injury. He ran half the distance between third and home after suffering the injury. He would have been in a lot more agonizing pain if it was the achilles. It’s very hard to tell by the way he “pulled up” what kind of injury it was. If the Yankees didn’t already called it a foot injury, it easily could have looked like a knee injury or strained calf.
The call at first there on the supposed double play was literally the worst call at first I have ever seen. Not like it matters, I guess.
He could also have a stress fracture in his foot.
Oswalt is aanother little guy, true.
And he’s had a fabulous few years.
But, now… he is starting to fade. Look at his season numbers… Awful.
For the record, guys, Cashman wouldn’t have a job if he read my comments on this blog and took my advice re: trades.
FYI, when Wang ran home it was NOT a 10-0 game. It’s baseball, players get hurt.
I just got home to find the Yankees blowing out the Astros and CMW probably headed for the DL. Man, we can’t catch a break for *****!!!
“10 bucks says Hank doesn’t even know who CC is.”
Hank’s a big media guy. He talks to the media and he’s shown that he follows the media closely (ie his comments about ESPN). CC’s name has been all over the place as a big pitcher who might be available soon. No doubt Hank has picked up on that, and I’d guess that he’s gone into “WANT WANT WANT” mode without really analyzing all the implications of acquiring CC.
That worries me.
He could also need a foot amputation and never be able to pitch again – ever.
There, I think I’ve won the Worst Case Scenario competition.
Guys, don’t speculate about Wang’s injury. None of us has any idea of what it is, other than it involves the right foot. Could be bad, or not. Let’s all try to not fall victim to the Sports Center phenomenon of trying to be the first to come out with something, whether it’s right or wrong.
Wild speculation is not a good way to go, in this instance or in anything else in life.
What I will say, is that the NL should quit the nonsense and go with the DH. I know it costs the owners a few more $$$, but enough already with two sets of rules.
“For the record, guys, Cashman wouldn’t have a job if he read my comments on this blog and took my advice re: trades.”
LOL, your not the only one, Rebecca! We’re all like that.
Many of us act as if its an Xbox game…
I’ll trade Pavano for CC. Then Shelley for Big Tex.
Even with his bad numbers this year, Oswalt has a career ERA of 3.19. One bad 15-start stretch and you’re declaring him done?
KS,
They won’t call up a guy from AA to make the start.
If they want to go to AAA, it could be Horne. He’s on the 40 man roster and pitched very well in his start the other night. Marquez? Don’t see it.
They can also put Giese in the rotation for the short term. That probably makes the most sense because David Robertson is really close to being ready and they could piggy back Giese’s starts with Robertson.
I can’t get news on this one KS. I’m in Omaha for at least another 3 days. Perhaps longer.
Pete will be on top of it just as he always is. I’m sure news about Wang won’t be in short supply.
Done as Disco, AJ.
Give back the tractor!!!
Now stop defending Oswalt, call your boss, and get the Sopranos back on the air…
If they got Santana like they should have this would just be a blip.
“I’ll trade Pavano for CC. Then Shelley for Big Tex.”
I dont even think Xbox/PS3 games would allow those trades, lol.
“CC’s name has been all over the place as a big pitcher who might be available soon. No doubt Hank has picked up on that, and I’d guess that he’s gone into “WANT WANT WANT†mode without really analyzing all the implications of acquiring CC.
That worries me.”
That would worry me too, except isn’t Hal the one primarily responsible for the team’s financial decisions? He seems a lot more sensible than Hank.
“I’m sorry, I love CMW, but if he never learned how to even RUN, that’s pathetic.
Simply pathetic.
I don’t care that he’s a pitcher, if you don’t know how to run, you shouldn’t be playing sports.”
What are you talking about? Everyday players get hurt simply running or have you forgotten about A-Rod and Jeter already?
See what happens when you smoke your whole life Wang? You get injured….. Cuts off circulation. Lay off the tobacco and become the true ace we all know you can be.
Joe from Long Island, why do you care that people are speculating about Wang’s injury? Wild speculation is bad in the stock market, not when a bunch of people are simply talking sports.
Wow. and you felt the need to change your blog name again to take a shot at me? How brave.
When I grow up, I really hope I can possess your wit and “toughness”. lol
If Hank is anything like is father, Meacham will be fired on the spot and made to pay for his horrible error
Oh my goodness, I’m starting to feel really sorry for these Astros. Sloppy baseball all around.
Ray,
Arod isn’t exactly the most conditioned guy, y’know
You expect a guy like that to get hurt a lot when he doesn’t take care of his own body.
Meanwhile there are some magical double switches going on and if Moller gets on all three catchers will be in the game at the same time
Geise has at least earned himself the spot start.
“It seems like he is not that bright just not not knowing how to make his own mechanical adjustments. No one to blame but himself for not using his brain.”
any comment on Jeter and A-Rod’s injuries earlier this season?
Or done like Giambi was a month ago? Come on now. People go through slumps. The guy had a 3.18 ERA LAST YEAR. It’s not ancient history I’m talking about.
Don’t feed the TROLLS !
I can’t believe so many people wouldn’t want Sabathia in pinstripes. Like he’s not a great pitcher or anything. You people would rather have Dan Giese starting games???
Who cares how much they pay him!
They pay Igawa 46 mill.
Pavano 40.
Farnsworth 20.
You really think the Yanks care about giving Sabathia 130 mill?
“That would worry me too, except isn’t Hal the one primarily responsible for the team’s financial decisions? He seems a lot more sensible than Hank.”
He certainly wouldn’t want to give CC the big contract. We’re not really sure of the business arrangement with those two, whether they have to reach a consensus to make a move or whatever. Maybe Hank wanted to pull the trigger on the Santana trade right to the end but Hal’s disagreement overruled him. I hope that’s the arrangement. :\
“There, I think I’ve won the Worst Case Scenario competition.”
Worst case scenario is that the game threads on this blog are overrun by trolls and imbeciles.
oh wait….
You know with a big injury to the Wanger they will be out trolling in their trollery ASAP!
This is why Girardi shouldn’t be sitting Damon or Matsui so often while they’re red hot.
They are 6 for 11 with 3 runs scored today.
Melky is 0 for 5 with 2 Ks and has left 8 runners on base.
“What is the big deal with this kid?
Alright, he’s done okay for himself, but he’s tiny, what 5-10 tops, and a stiff breeze would blow him over.
Don’t see too many innings on an arm like that.”
Lincecum’s stuff is almost second to none, certainly on par with Beckett or Peavy, if not better.
.
There is NO way SF would give him up. But if they asked Joba for Lincecum straight up, I’d do it. I’ve gotten a chance to watch him several times and he is terrific.
Done, done, done….
“Wang not being able to run is pathetic.”
Can you just go that way.
If you guys watch the euro 08′ right now. It is the most incredible game ever!!!
The game between the Netherlands and France was not far off.
Greece is out.. My fellow countrymen choked bad. Time to fire the German coach and get a real Greek to run the show. They will be back in the World Cup and back in 2012
aren’t we here to speculate about injuries and other nonsense?
Joba is not going anywhere
Oswalt’s stuff translates good in his NL divison. Fastball pitchers like him would not do good in the AL especially the AL East. He would be good but probably not as dominating has he has been. The AL would turn around his fastball just like the Yanks did today. Everyone except Melky was on everyone of his pitches.
It might just be me, but is this
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=280615118
messed up? It’s showing like 24-0 Yanks to me.
It might just be me, but is this
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=280615118
messed up? It’s showing like 24-0 Yanks to me.
am i reading the leaderboard right? Tiger double boggy then a boggy?
SJ44, in Omaha? When we need you? My, your un-reliable! LOL.
Say hello to the cranes for me.
Don’t forget SJ44, the Yankees called up Chase Wright last year from AA to pitch.
I’d love to see them give Horne a chance, but it seems since returning from injury, the Yankees only have allowed him to pitch a complete start once, his last.
I hope to God, it’s only one turn on the DL for Wang and that’s it’s nothing more than a twisted ankle.
With the Rays, Orioles, and Jays all losing today, the Yankees need first to concentrate with gaining ground on the Rays.
Don’t be concerned with what Boston does or doesn’t do until they’re within 2 games of 1st place.
First things first.
I don’t think CC will do well in NY. He’s a small town type of guy. He will stink up the Bronx. Mark my words!
I think we should bring in someone from AAA and let them try and fill in for CMW.
“They can also put Giese in the rotation for the short term. That probably makes the most sense because David Robertson is really close to being ready and they could piggy back Giese’s starts with Robertson.”
I guess your theory is shot to hell, champ.
I hope its not serioud for Wanger we kinda need to do the C.C. trade if he’s out for a few months.
Regardless, even if he is done, he was an elite pitcher for 7 years. If Lincecum is anything comparable (3.23 ERA so far, 1.99 this year), I’d say that’s the big deal with this kid.
The Yanks win – 4 in a row and 4 games over .500
Great road trip – 5-1
Now let’s just hope that Wang is ok.
“Oswalt’s stuff translates good in his NL divison. Fastball pitchers like him would not do good in the AL especially the AL East. He would be good but probably not as dominating has he has been. The AL would turn around his fastball just like the Yanks did today. Everyone except Melky was on everyone of his pitches.”
Because fastball pitchers like Burnett, Beckett, Bedard, Kazmir all STINK in the AL East.
Morons here. Flat out morons.
Yahoo Sports screws up in all “creative” ways. Once they put Andy Murray as WTA’s No.11 player for several weeks!
Sterling’s “Thhhheeeeeeeee” was extra short today…
A win, but I just cannot be happy with Wanger going down
Nothing will make me happy than Wanger’s injury not too serious.
“I don’t think CC will do well in NY. He’s a small town type of guy. He will stink up the Bronx. Mark my words!”
Because little ole Cleveland is so back water and CC never had any success pitching. Not like he won a Cy Young or anything. Poor CC.
Cano had quiet a day:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=280615118
Done!
The Astros broadcast showed Wang in the tunnel pointing to the top of his foot.
I still can’t believe people are answering this should we trade for Lincecum crap.
Do you people take every stupid thing seriously?
This injury illustrates how ridiculous it is to have two different sets of rules for the two leagues. To have these inter-league games where one team has a huge advantage over the other (whether it be the AL club in AL parks or the NL club in the NL clubs), smacks the face of any integrity these games have. To make pithers hit and run the bases when they are completely unfamiliar with it, is just asking for someone to get hurt. If MLB is to continue with Inter-league play and I am sure that is their plan, then they should either institute the DH in the NL or abandon the DH in the AL.
It would be the best joke ever if in the post-game Wanger was like see I gotcha I’m not even hurt haha not saying it will but how epic a joke would that be.
No, his theory is perfectly fine. They didnt want to put Giese in the rotation after not having pitched in weeks, so they threw him here and he will pitch in this spot again next time.
ATTK
I was just looking at that and thought I missed a ton of action once I did other things after the 6th. Freaky…
Sabathia would be great in Yankee Stadium.
Confucius: My impression of the Santana situation was always that Cash and Hal together overruled Hank. Who knows what really goes on behind the scenes, but hopefully that would be the case again in talks for CC. Cause I can’t imagine any possible scenario in which the Indians would NOT demand far too much in return.
It’s too bad there don’t seem to be any teams in dire need of a salary dump (on a good player with 1-2 years remaining on contract) ala the Phillies in 06 with Abreu. But that’s largely because even small-market teams are doing well moneywise now…and THAT’S in part because of luxury tax moneys they receive which allow them to spend more and/or hold on to their players. If we sign CC to a huge deal we just continue that cycle.
Dear Lohud Yankees posters,
Y’all just need to chill out there.
Do yourselves a favor and wait until a trained doctor actually SEES my foot before you worry yourselves into a full blown panic.
Or before Hank worries CC into NYC.
Thanks,
Wang’s Right Foot
SJ44:
Who’s notes and reports are you going to crib from during the CWS and pass off as your own work?
LOL!
“Because little ole Cleveland is so back water and CC never had any success pitching. Not like he won a Cy Young or anything. Poor CC.”
Not to sound like a city snob, but Cleveland IS back water, and yeah, CC had great success pitching in his Cy Young season….until the playoffs started.
With all due respect Wang’s foot Wang looked terrible when he crossed home-plate this is not simply a day to day situation.
Jeffrey-
I don’t know if you were referring to me, but I wasn’t suggesting we trade for him. Obviously they’ll hold on to him.
All I’m saying is, to say that he’s not a big deal is ridiculous.
I love how everyone here is a doctor from watching him limp off the field.
“any comment on Jeter and A-Rod’s injuries earlier this season?”
Are you kdiding? Arod and Jeter are infielders not pitchers. They play the field every single day they know how to run the bases. Wang is a pitcher he has never run the bases being in the AL. Wang gets paid to pitch. If they get hurt then it happens since they run everyday but knowing that Wang has never run the bases he shouldn’t be busting it.
Bedard would be a tough get,but I would go that direction…CC is getting bigger by the minute, hey visit Cinn about Harang
How doesn’t someone know how to run the bases?
He’s played baseball for 20 years!!
He’s not a big deal. I’m just ‘ridiculous’ today.
An ace in the NL is basically a #3 or MAYBE a #2 in the AL.
Especially an ‘ace’ that weighs 120 lbs soaking wet.
Even being optimistic I think Wanger is gone til the all-star break. Everyone knows how the Yanks handle injuries.
Jason,
Since I don’t do that, why don’t you tell me?
In fact, why don’t you tell me in the 20 blog names you have in your stalking position on the blog.
What a moron. Then again, I’m not telling you something you don’t already know.
“Not to sound like a city snob, but Cleveland IS back water, and yeah, CC had great success pitching in his Cy Young season….until the playoffs started.”
So he’d fit right in with Wang in October. And didn’t he beat us in Game 1?????
Speculating is stupid. But I would think that Wang’s injury is not serious and he just sprained a toe. But it was something on the top of his foot not the bottom so that should be better.
What?? Because he pitches in the NL, he’s not as good as AL pitchers?
That can’t be what you’re saying.
SJ44…
You are a troll. You make up names and fight with yourself. We’re onto you!
SJ44. I am one guy. Not my fault many people think your full of spittle.
You crib every Chad Jennings report as your own. Why should the CWS be any different???
AJ
June 15th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
What?? Because he pitches in the NL, he’s not as good as AL pitchers?
That can’t be what you’re saying.
YES! For the love of Montero, that IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING !
Nothing beats the SJ44 show here every game.
That ego filled dude really needs his own blog if he is going to fight with himself everyday.
How does that make sense?
Can someone watching the post game post what Girardi and co say about Wang? I’m supposed to be working
Thanks!
SJ44 please just shut up for one day. No one cares about your issues here and who despises you.
This blog isn’t about you. It’s about the Yankees.
The troll brothers are back! lol
Too funny. Still say the same stuff and when I ask you show me proof of my ripping off Chad, you fail to do so.
Too funny.
Enjoy your trolling the rest of the day.
b/c the NL is a weaker league.
b/c the NL doesn’t have as many potent lineups as the AL.
b/c there is no DH.
I’m glad we have 30 doctors here. What a relief.
Should find out soon about Wang. Keeping my fingers crossed and hoping for the best
I guess I’m a troll, SJ, because I called out your lying and cribbing. Congrats SJ.
Interesting trade ideas, joeman. I didn’t think of either of those but maybe Bedard wouldn’t actually be THAT tough to get. Number 1, Seattle didnt sign him to an extension, did they? Their season is shot (and probably next season too) so the best way to get a legit return on that trade probably is to flip Bedard for prospects.
Also, in the past year, nothing they’ve done to “win now” has worked for them. Ichiro’s extension looks like it wasn’t worth it espcially as he gets older and continues to lose speed. Signing Silva didn’t help. Trading for Bedard didn’t help, getting a new coaching staff didn’t….at some point don’t they have to admit that their attempt to build a contender failed miserably and it’s time to blow up the team and start over?
Harang could be a good solution too. His numbers in the AL couldnt be much worse than in the shoebox in which he currently pitches, plus I bet the increased run support would be a huge shot in the arm for him.
I got no doubt that SJ44 is all of these people.
Get a life already.
MRI tomorrow
sprained his foot according to Girardi
since i was very certain that Jeter’s wrist was broken….. I’ll reserve my expert opinion on Wang until I hear one from someone else.
my comment from earlier is the exact same as pete later posted as an update, pitchers run, it’s not anyone’s fault – we’ll see tomorrow though
“My impression of the Santana situation was always that Cash and Hal together overruled Hank.”
Cashman can advise, and Hal certainly valued his advice, but officially speaking he has no power because it’s not his money being spent.
The question is, if Hank -really- wanted to do something and couldn’t be talked out of it, would he be able to do it without Hank’s consent? Do they both have to sign off on every move? If they do, that’s very encouraging; it means Hank will always be controlled by a ‘voice of reason’ that George never had to answer to.
Achilles injury? Definitely not. Wang would have dropped on the spot if he hurt his achilles.
How do you sprain the top of your foot?
Stop w/ the trades already, if Cashman is fixing this you can be rest assured he will dip into the minors before any deals.
Now Dan McCutchen pitched a good game yesterday, had a good strikes to balls pitched ratio, but Alan Horne did better in his 2nd start, Jeffrey Marquez could also be an option since he has stepped up his game his last few starts, you also have Aceves in AA who is 26 and polished.
For you people hoping for Oswalt, Harden and CC trades that is unlikely to happen.
Per Girardi nothing definitive until tests tomorrow but he sprained the top of his foot.
not an achilles issue, which Pete speculated it was
So there can never be a great pitcher in the NL?
Girardi seemed so annoyed when Kim said is it like Bruney’s injury.
YES! For the love of Montero, that IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING !
Then you would be wrong.
Kim Jones asked Girardi if it was a Lizfrac injury like Bruney and he said I am not going to comment until all of the tests are done.
so not bad enough for an immediate MRI – did they say definitely an MRI tomorrow or depending on how it looks tomorrow? (Are they waiting to get back home or to see if it is required?)
Would be hilarious if SJ44 was really like 25 people here everyday. The ego on that would be hilarious. With how much he likes arguing with people I can definitely see it.
SJ44:
Seriously dude. I think its more than just one or two guys.
The majority of people on here respect your opinion and baseball knowledge. Include me in that category.
But I have to agree with what someone just wrote above this… This is getting to be a daily thing. Pete always says, don’t feed the trolls. Please just ignore them. This blog is not about you, its about the Yankees.
At least 90% of the people on here are here to discuss their passion in all aspects of Yankee Universe. The other 10% are trolls, and fickle, fair-weather fans. And a few are anti-SJ’s who come back hour after hour, day after day, to do nothing but throw mud and brawl in the sandbox with you.
This may entirely be none of my business. But please stop reacting and in some cases over reacting to idiots prodding you from their mom’s basement on an old dial-up connection.
You are bigger and better than that. Forget the ‘keyboard tough guys’.
Stick to baseball, its why I respect your opinion. Not because of the ‘troll beatings’ you dole out on an hourly basis.
And anyone that is quoting Joel Sherman trades and taking it serious, please put down the pipe.
“Sprained top of his foot”
one of these days Chase Wright is going to get another chance – he pitched pretty well – got thrown to the dogs in the start with the Sox – and has pitched great in the minors so far this year. I would not be against CW filling in for CMW
“For you people hoping for Oswalt, Harden and CC trades that is unlikely to happen.”
Thanks, Nostradamus. I can sleep easy now that I now know for a fact that we won’t get a big time pitcher.
Guess we will know more tomorrow.
OMG enough Suzyn, yes we know Bruney had a sprain also
O’s Rays and Jays all lost today.
All I hope for he’s not out longer than a month or so. Please let it be nothing more serious than a sprain, but guess we won’t know until tomorrow.
Pompous, know it all’s like SJ44 rub A LOT of people the wrong way.
Somebody tell Micheal Kay SP hit in college.
“So he’d fit right in with Wang in October. And didn’t he beat us in Game 1?????”
Well, he got the win, but all things considered, wasnt it really the Indians bats that beat us in that game?
Also, he wouldn’t fit right in with Wang, because he’d be pitching poorly in the playoffs at a price of approx. $20MM per year – why sign him when we could get that same poor pitching from Wang for much less money?
haha – in all seriousness though, because Wang pitched reasonably well in the playoffs the first two years of his career, it’s easier to look at his struggles last Oct. as an abberation. But CC choked hard the very first chance he had to show something in the postseason, and that was in the best year of his career in a comparably low pressure environment.
Joe T- I am pretty sure Chase is hurt right now, and is out for another few weeks.
Yes AJ. There can be plenty of great NL pitchers. But, IMHO, they are not excellent, big-time picthers until they prove their mettle in the AL.
Over the last few years, only three pitchers, again, IMHO, have transferred well from the NL to the AL:
Pedro, Schilling and Beckett. (That sucked to write!).
Wished the Sox had gotten Pavano’ed, Johnson’ed, or Brown’ed like the NYY had!
“Stop w/ the trades already”
You’re right, I can’t believe how excessively I’ve been speculating here. Just nervous energy until we actually find out what exactly is ailing the Wanger, I guess. TG it’s not the Achilles.
“But CC choked hard the very first chance he had to show something in the postseason, and that was in the best year of his career in a comparably low pressure environment.”
He beat us in Game 1. How is that choking???
Sabathia or McCutcheon or Karstens? Please don’t tell me you wouldn’t take CC.
mark: didn’t know that, thanks
I’ll change my opinion to – when healthy chase wright deserves a chance
Who’s coming up Please no Kei Igawa I take Dan Mccutchen, Alan Horne in a heartbeat I would say Marquez but hes having a BAD year.
Why shouldn’t be speculate about trades here????
Why else would anyone he here?
CC for what price? Shapiro will force us to empty our farm and create holds in our lineup. Not worried about money, but talent.
I heard on Yankees radio that its a sprain in the top of his foot. He’s in a soft cast and on crutches until he gets back to New York where they can take proper x-rays.
We all know they need another starter and they need a lefty in the pen.
It’s not a secret.
Sprained foot is bad but when I first saw him pull up I thought he tore an ACL or blew out his ankle that is way worse so everyone needs to take it easy on the predictions hopefully some one can step up.
“And anyone that is quoting Joel Sherman trades and taking it serious, please put down the pipe.”
Because we should listen to the guy with a Johan Santana home run counter in his name?
Maybe I should put a Hughes/Kennedy win counter in mine.
Then I hope he does get traded to the AL, because otherwise we’ll never know if he was actually great or just a #3.
FYI, the NL is scoring more runs/game this year than the AL
“Sabathia or McCutcheon or Karstens? Please don’t tell me you wouldn’t take CC.”
If we could bring him to the team as easily as we can bring McCutcheon? At absolutely no cost? Sabathia, in a heart beat.
Given how much the Indians and CC’s agent would be asking? I’ll try to survive with McCutcheon.
MoBoy writes:
“you don’t have Kennedy,Hughes asnd Joba all together in the rotation because Wang and Pettitte are a hamstring injury away from missing two months.”
Aren’t we all?
C.C. for IPK or anyone else not named Phil Hughes I would do that trade and C.C. has his starts lined up with Wanger’s he went 8 strong 10 K’s 3 ER.
I wonder if people are still going to be debating Joba’s move to the rotation now… Thank God he’s there now. I guess IPK will be in the rotation for the time being
You do realize if Wang got the bunt down like he should have this isn’t a problem?
“Given how much the Indians and CC’s agent would be asking? I’ll try to survive with McCutcheon.”
Who cares how much they pay him? Are you paying it? Does overpaying ever hurt the Yanks ability to improve?
You realize it will be Igawa up right?
um. Come on Pedro. Please save Willie
Its funny when the offense decides to rake our Ace gets injured.
Who doesn’t want Sabathia?
Haven’t we all learned the lesson from over valuing prospects like Kennedy and Hughes?
I give the tribe Marquez and IPK for C.C. no joke.
Because we should listen to the guy with a Johan Santana home run counter in his name?
Who told you to listen to me, I said people that listen to Joel Sherman trades are not thinking at all. This is the same guy that writes stupid trade request after stupid trade request and quite bad ones at that. Hey you choose to panic go ahead I’m sure it will help you.
Maybe I should put a Hughes/Kennedy win counter in mine.
Do what you want who’s stopping you. Did I offend Johan Santana fans across the world or something. He isn’t that good, isn’t even the best SP in his own division.
“No doubt Hank has picked up on that, and I’d guess that he’s gone into “WANT WANT WANT†mode without really analyzing all the implications of acquiring CC.
That worries me.”
So you’re worried about something you’re making an assumption about?
Obviously, this team needs another starter. They needed another before this Wang thing because Rasner is going to come back to Earth.
“Who cares how much they pay him? Are you paying it? Does overpaying ever hurt the Yanks ability to improve?”
Carlos Beltran & Johan Santana: two players that I was told were not brought here because of money. The Yankees (Cashman & Hal at least) care about how much they spend. They care about how much they -are- spending impacts their future ability to spend. We hear Cashman talking about ‘flexibility’ all the time. Dropping another $20mm mass with a 7-year duration into the payroll is not enabling flexibility.
I give the tribe Marquez and IPK for C.C. no joke.
Cleveland has SP in the minors why would they do this, if anything they want offense. And yes this is what is considered a panic move.
“I can’t get news on this one KS. I’m in Omaha for at least another 3 days. Perhaps longer.”
SJ,
I know you’re a Big Willie, but lunch dates with Warren Buffet? You will do it!
“He isn’t that good, isn’t even the best SP in his own division.”
When Hamels wins a Cy young and leads the league in K’s we can talk. Otherwise that is ridiculous.
“They needed another before this Wang thing because Rasner is going to come back to Earth.”
He is? Do we know that with 100% certainty?
I’m not saying he isn’t, but none of us know if Rasner is going to “come back to earth”.
“If they got Santana like they should have this would just be a blip.”
Yeah, because all teams can afford to lose 200 inning under 4 ERA pitchers for a long period of time.
“Cleveland has SP in the minors why would they do this, if anything they want offense. And yes this is what is considered a panic move.”
It’s a panic move trading 2 5th starters for a lefty ace?
Hmmmm
Rasner is what he is. You really think he was going to pitch to a 3 ERA all yr??
Did you guys see the injury to Yardier Molina?
“You really think he was going to pitch to a 3 ERA all yr??”
No, but none of us know how Rasner is going to continue to perform. It’s kinda like how I don’t think many expected Mussina to be as successful as he has been this year.
All I’m saying is let’s see what happens. Other than his last outing, Rasner has been pretty solid overall.
ladies at least be fore you get your anties all up in a pinch wait to see what the injury is..
then you can switch from the endless snatana crap to the endless trade for CC crap.
Call me a fool, I say pass unless the price does not include any of our untouchables; hughes, melancon, ajax, others etc…
wang got hurt because he did so shut the f up about his injury.
the sux are doing fine without daisuke we can do the same…..
First of all, lets all try to be optimistic about Wang. Hopefully it will be a sprain. We can stand to lose him for 3-4 weeks, but not the season.
Secondly, I am sick and tired of hearing the names of Karstens, Igawa, IPK when McCutchen CLEARLY deserves a shot.
Like it or not, Yanks will def. up their ante for CC now.
It’s a panic move trading 2 5th starters for a lefty ace?
Hmmmm
No it’s a panic move on what it will take to get CC, just because you say Kennedy and Marquez, That’s not what Cleveland wants, w/ Cleveland they want a bulk w/ good hitting position players that’s is why it is a panic move, it could cost you Austin Jackson or Jesus Montero and that’s not a move the Yankees would make for someone they can get for free in the offseason.
TKinDC,
Lol, about a “certain” person wanting a tampering investigation done on Mattingly consultation.
BUt that person is only interested if the “tamperer” is Joe Torre.
When Hamels wins a Cy young and leads the league in K’s we can talk. Otherwise that is ridiculous.
You apparently haven’t read any stats on Santana. Year to year he has declined, velocity wise and performance wise, his ERA in not the best in the NL East. His WHIP is not the best in the NL East, he has yet to face a legit offense and the only start in which he look dominant was vs Arizona. Again check back w/ me in a month from now.
“that’s not a move the Yankees would make for someone they can get for free in the offseason.”
Not technically free. If he makes it to the open market of free agency, his price tag will go up quite a bit and the Yanks would also lose their first rd pick.
“That’s not what Cleveland wants, w/ Cleveland they want a bulk w/ good hitting position players”
Knowing Wang’s injured? They wouldn’t be happy unless we walked away from the deal bleeding profusely.
“No, but none of us know how Rasner is going to continue to perform. It’s kinda like how I don’t think many expected Mussina to be as successful as he has been this year.”
Mussina is a borderline HOF. Rasner was cut in November.
Don’t compare them please.
Brandon,
Please don’t try to sell that Santana isn’t one of the top 3 pitchers in baseball.
Drive-by posting by a lurker…
IMHO McCutchen is not the answer to fill in for Wang. I was down in Norfolk last night to watch, and while I was cheering for him in pitching a complete game, the Tides pretty much…suck. I’m not saying that I think McCutchen is bad, just don’t think he’s as good as his numbers from yesterday imply.
In other news from the SWB game, Matt Carson hit 2 homers (one solo, one for 3 runs). Cody Ransom also hit a homer. Brett Gardner hit a leadoff triple in the first, and later he threw someone out at home by a couple of feet from mid to deep left field. I was very impressed with his arm. Unfortunately, Shelley wasn’t even in the dugout.
Brandon,
Please don’t try to sell that Santana isn’t one of the top 3 pitchers in baseball.
I don’t have too, he really isn’t.
C.C. Sabathia is going nowhere until at least the end of July.
Cleveland is not out of the picture in the AL Central Division. A good 2 week stretch could find them on the doorstep of 1st place.
No team is waving white flags for their fans to see this soon.