Options to replace Wang
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Count on Chien-Ming Wang going on the disabled list. He left Minute Maid Park today on crutches and his foot was too swollen to put a shoe on.
The question is for how long? It could be three weeks, three months or the rest of the season if there’s a serious fracture or torn ligaments. We won’t know until Monday, that is assuming the Yankees make some sort of announcement.
Only then can Brian Cashman decide on a course of action. Here are the possibilities:
SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS
Dan Giese: He was Scranton’s best starter before coming up to caddy for Joba Chamberlain. Now that Joba can go 100 pitches, Giese can return to starting. He has allowed only one run in 6.1 innings since getting called up.
Ian Kennedy: He’s throwing off the mound and his strained lat is said to be fully healed. But he likely needs at least one rehab start before being ready for big-league duty.
Dan McCutchen: He pitched a terrific game on Saturday. But he has thrown only 32.1 innings in AAA. The last thing the Yankees want to do is rush him to the majors before he is ready.
Jeff Karstens: He hasn’t pitched much this season because of a groin strain, but he’s healthy now and has experience in the majors.
Kei Igawa: He has a 3.73 ERA at Scranton, giving up only 67 hits in 79.2 innings while striking out 69. Are they just supposed to give up on him? Clearly Igawa should never have been signed in the first place. But he was and he’s available.
LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS
C.C. Sabathia (Indians): He knows how to pitch in the AL, he’s a lefty (always a plus at the Stadium) and you’ll have a few months to try and sign him. But if the Yankees are desperate, Mark Shapiro will seek the world for his ace, especially if he’s going to an AL team. Start with Robinson Cano.
Freddy Garcia (free agent): He has been throwing off a mound and claims his shoulder is sound. He could be ready sometime in July. All he would cost is money.
Rich Harden (Athletics): The oft-injured Oakland right-hander has been terrific of late. But other than Danny Haren, what Oakland pitcher has done well since leaving that organization? (Tim Hudson, as somebody pointed out to me. My point is that Beane tends to sell high.) Plus you know Billy Beane will wring every last drop of talent out of the deal.
Randy Wolf (Padres): Left-handed, solid numbers but has never pitched in the American League. Cashman and Kevin Towers probably have spoken twice in the time you have read this post. They are very tight.
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Igawa for Wolf.
Easy enough.
Problem solved.
Carry On.
lol
I say go with Giese. If he can’t hack it you do the Scranton turnstile routine until a favorable solution PRESENTS itself.
Would Freddy Garcia take a minor league deal? I’m guessing the reason we haven’t signed him already is he would take up a 40 man roster spot.
ugh. PLEASE no more National League pitchers
Especially since the exchange rate of AL to NL is so bad
“Kei Igawa: He has a 3.73 ERA at Scranton, giving up only 67 hits in 79.2 innings while striking out 69. Are they just supposed to give up on him? Clearly Igawa should never have been signed in the first place. But he was and he’s available.”
GAH! I’d rather watch Shelley Duncan pitch the game.
Uh oh..here are the Celtics
Igawa for a pack of gum.
Freddy Garcia has topped out at 85 mph in his previous workout, that is not what we are looking for.
Randy Wolf is going to start for the Padres on Tuesday, I think, so we’ll get a closer look at him.
For a short term solution, I like Giese. I mean, long relief is why he’s here, right?
Or some sort of Giese-Kennedy combo.
I say no to Sabathia because of the player cost involved and no to Harden because of the injury history. Would be okay with Garcia, if he’s signed to a contract favorable to the Yankees.
Dan Giese.
Big no to CC.
If they were under .500, Ben Sheets.
“But other than Danny Haren, what Oakland pitcher has done well since leaving that organization.”
Tim Hudson? What does where a pitcher used to pitch have to do with anything?
no more NL pitchers please!!!
I’d prefer not to see Karstens, Igawa, or Kennedy. Igawa and Karstens have been at the ML level and failed. I know Karstens is a member of the Andy Phillips “All Nice Guy Team” but lets be honest here. Just because you take a liner off your kneecap doesn’t make you a good pitcher. Kennedy needs to spend some time in the minors since he’s too afraid to throw a strike in the majors.
I’d like to see McCutchen or Sabathia.
Harden is great, when he’s not on the DL. Plus Beane is going to bend the Yankees over if Cashman calls him.
Garcia is a lot like what Colon would have been, a cheap solution. Might as well throw some money at him and see what he is. Can’t be worse than the 46M Cashman threw out the window for Igawa.
Don’t forget Jeff Marquez. He seems to have finally figured things out in June.
TRade for CC now. We cant count on the IK or Hughes. Make a move.
As bad as Robbie has been of late, he’s too talented to be slumping forever and he’s showing signs of heating up. Who are you going to replace Robbie with? Attorney General? Don’t make me laugh. The offensive output is just not there. BIG NO to Robbie for CC.
Same for Rich Harden - he’ll also cost an arm and leg. Any of the other options sound fairly reasonable.
Question,
Where is Pavano? I believe that people recover quicker after getting run over by a bus
I’d like to see Giese in the short run. Kennedy hasn’t shown anything in the majors to this point, and I really think he needs to stay down and get himself together. I would back in the in the developmental program, set new goals, and only call him up after he achieves them. He was flat out awful.
Igawa, god help me would also be fine short term.
Long term, I bet the yanks don’t make a huge move for CC because we won’t have any leverage. What we really need is a bridge to Hughes in August.
If Cash has any magic in his hat, now would be a good time to use it.
This is a tough spot.
I don’t think Carl Pavano is actually allowed to go anywhere near the Yankees now.
All of this talk about trading for Sabathia is way too premature.
Cleveland hasn’t even decided to trade him yet. They are still in the wild card race and Shapiro will not just trade him because the the yankees could use him now.
If CC gets moved its going to happen right before the deadline. Shapiro is going to want to see if his team can turn it around and he’ll give it as long as he possibly can.
The yankees aren’t just going to panic and make a stupid move for CC. Those days are over.
One guy not on Pete’s list who should be there is Alan Horne. Giese will fill in short term but if Wang is out for a while Horne is going to get a shot.
Brandon - Reports also said that Bartolo Colon was throwing mid-80’s before the year.
I think they go with the Scranton guys for a bit (starting with Giese) and see if they can do the job. If not you’ll see Cashman pull the trigger on a deal. Maybe Freddie Garcia can end up being a Shawn Chacon/Aaron Small type pick-up for us.
and of course…. GO LAKERS!!
The best case scenario is Wang misses 3 starts which is really only 2 starts b/c they can skip him over with the off day while this injury is a blessing in disguise b/c he is now officially crowned ace of the Yankees by Andy, Moose, NYT and the Post:-)
I’m trying to stay positive…
Go Lakers!
two wins in Boston…. consider it done
Alfredo Aceves should and hopefully will get a start or two. He has 4 pitches. He’s given up less then a walk per start in 83 innings. He can give you 7 inning in a start.
Dee- You are a breath of fresh air I hope hes back after the All-star break, thats my wishful thinking. I really like Alan Horne however he has been injured this year. He through the most innings in the Yanks minors last year so maybe those 160+ innings caught up to him but I like him over Giese/Igawa/Marquez/IPK.
JoeT Freddy doesn’t top out more than 92 mph if at all. This isn’t a Bartolo Colon situation which BTW he might get hurt this season while the season continues.
If you can get CC straight up for Cano, you do it. I’m sorry, but a front of the rotation starter who can throw 200 innings is way more important than an all star 2b.
Cano isn’t Ryne Sandberg. He’s not even Jeff Kent in his prime. He’s not even Knoblauch at his best.
He’s a great 2b at his best, but the ebbs and tides of his offense knock him down a few notches. He’s inconsistent. He’s proven that much in his career. While his glove is above average, he lacks speed.
You trade this kind of a player for a Cy Young Lefty entering his prime. You trade him and you never look back.
The only caveat I have is that for Cano, we get a 72 hour window to sign CC to an extension. Without that, I don’t do the deal.
But give us CC and 3 days to sign him and they can have Cano in my book.
But don’t worry all you puppy dog Cano fans. Cashman doesn’t have the stones to make that deal, so it will never happen.
The good thing is that only once out of every 5 games we will miss wang. I’m just trying to make myself feel better. I say let guise have the spot. The yanks offense is heating up and all we need him to do is go 5 innins 2 or 3 runs and we should be set. Go yanks, go Lakers
Aceves is 26 but hasnt pitched that long at AA I doubt we’ll see him.
Honestly? I think the first thing the Yankees need to do is find out exactly how serious the injury is to Wang, and then after that they can worry about whether or not they jump the gun on CC if Shapiro decides to make him available.
The Yankees have options from within, and they’ll use those first. Marquez has been great of late. He’s given up only 8 ER in his last 31 IP. So Marquez, Clutch, Igawa, Giese, etc will get a chance in some order.
Yeah that’ll look great. They pass on Santana and trade more for CC.
It’s not going to happen.
GWAT if ure a Lakers fan and a Yankee fan, we call that a front runner.. to different sides of the country.
I wan’t Roy Oswalt.. He’s on the market, he wants out of Houston
HEY burger king guy
me and u r normally on the same page, what u think?
Oswalt has an NTC he won’t waive for NY.
Why would you jump for a trade? Try within the organization first. Maybe Giese, McCutcheon or Ian (as we know he can pitch) emerge as a gem for us until Wang gets back.
he wants to go to a contender, and the bombers r always a contender..
him and pettitte are tight, u never know
“Girardi thought Wang, who was on base via a fielder’s choice after bunting, suffered the injury when he touched third. Mussina, however, said Wang’s foot gave out when he was on the grass between third and home.”
Mussina is right if you watch the replay. An injury clipping a basepad is often a lot worse than running on flat ground. I say it is a strain and that Wang should never face an NL team again lol. Except in the WS
I hope we’re all just panicking at this point, and it doesn’t come to anything drastic. However, if Cash can work something for CC involving Cano, I’d be okay with it. In the meantime, we should see what we have internally, maybe it’ll work out.
b/c Ian, McCutcheon and Giese aren’t gonna put up Wang’s #’s and if Wangs out for the year and we make the play offs our rotation will go pettitte,moose,joba, hughes.. we need another starter. hard thrower, or a lefty
“BIG NO to Robbie for CC.”
I second that.
F that, Robbie isn’t going anywhere, think logically please! He isn’t leaving. He’s a Yankee and he’s staying
“BIG NO to Robbie for CC.”
I second that.
Thirded.
Fourth it.
Or… maybe we can move Mo to the rotation… hmmmm….
Thanks Al!
G Love, I doubt it’ll be Cano for CC straight up. More like Cano+Kennedy+Horne+Jackson, and don’t forget after that he’ll want $150 mill for 7 years. The price for CC will be HEFTY:-)
Oswalt might be the easiest one bc they’ll also prly want us to take Wiggington (which i like)..
Robi has much less chance of being traded than, say, Youkilis. He’s not going anywhere. Sorry, fair weather fans.
here’s my proposal
Feel free to comment
Yanks get:
Oswalt and Wiggington
Astros get:
Gonzalez, Hawkins, Kennedy and another minor league pitcher
Since we’ve won so many playoff series with Robbie Cano and no frontline starter in his prime- right?
I don’t promote trades just for the sake of doing trades, but in playoff series where you could go Sabathia, Wang, Pettitte, Chamberlain/Mussina w/ Hughes the long man you woudlnt take a lineup of Damon, Jeter, Abeu, Arod, Giambi, Posada, Matsui, Gonzalez, Cabrera? We don’t need to score 970 runs a year, every year to win.
Oswalt might be the easiest one bc they’ll also prly want us to take Wiggington (which i like)..
Horrendous contract for Oswalt and he has a NTC to NY, meaning he does not want to go to NYC. He doesn’t like too much media, he’s like Randy Johnson was can’t take that type of day to day pressure.
here’s my proposal
Feel free to comment
Yanks get:
Oswalt and Wiggington
Astros get:
Gonzalez, Hawkins, Kennedy and another minor league pitcher
Were you serious when you wrote this ?
ya i was bc houston wants pitching and another guy for the pen and wants to get rid of wiggington.. and for ur Gardner Groupies, how come all of sudden Melky’s doing good and no gardner talk?? or Bernie Castro?? and Kennedy is NOT gonna be good sry
We don’t need to score 970 runs a year, every year to win.
I know your not promoting moves but why is this a must ? I know your thinking CC, Joba, Andy playoff series but your forgetting the fact that Cleveland is going to ask for a King’s ransom in dealing CC, we are not in any position to make that type of deal, too much can go wrong in this type of deal. Giving up resources that can be a building block to your future is not wise especially w/ the offense being the main inconsistant part in this year’s Yankees, position players w/ upside aren’t a dime a dozen either, sooner or later fans need to realize that.
It’s not that Gonzalez doesn’t have Cano’s bat, it’s that if he was being judged on bat alone, he wouldn’t be in the majors.
Glad Pete said Randy Wolfe.Best option.The Indians like the Yankees have too much talent t call it a year.The Padres are basically hanging by a tread.
Freddy Garcia would be nice.I know he sucks but can Arroyo be good for ten starts?
Nothing like reading trade proposals from fans.
Real funny stuff.
I also love how everyone is assuming that Shapiro will be asking for an all star middle infielder along with 3 top prospects for a FA to be.
Assume makes an ….
ya i was bc houston wants pitching and another guy for the pen and wants to get rid of wiggington.. and for ur Gardner Groupies, how come all of sudden Melky’s doing good and no gardner talk?? or Bernie Castro?? and Kennedy is NOT gonna be good sry
There has always been Gardner talk what are you talking about. Melky is not going to man CF for the 10 yrs. that’s not going happen he isn’t that type of a fielder and it’s not like he is the best route runner either. Gardner adds an element to this team not seen since Tim Raines and Gerald Williams and Homer Bush.
Kennedy isn’t going to net you Roy Oswalt neither is a combo of Kennedy and Gardner. You also didn’t mention how Oswalt specifically has a NTC to NYC and will not waive it. He also has one of the worst contracts in the league
08:$13M, 09:$14M, 10:$15M, 11:$16M,
12:$16M club option ($2M buyout)
Why would you do this ?
ok Bob, sry i didnt put the best proposal up, but its just for conversation purposes..
relax big guy
I’m real glad Cashman doesn’t come for ideas here.
He would have DFA’d Damon, Giambi, Farnsworth, traded Abreu and Cano, promoted everyone at Scranton and given up last year and traded away everyone with more than 3 yrs service time.
I’m not saying Sabathia isn’t must have. But- moving Cano and Kennedy for an ace who can miss bats is a deal that needs to be considered. It’s that simple.
Also- remember well placed trades in the mid 90’s helped lead to that dynasty. Paul O’Neil, Tino, Cone, Brosuius, Nelson, Lloyd, Justice and Knocblaugh were all trades.
Thanks for the laugh Aaron.
Keep the proposals coming. I need the laughs.
u gotta remember, the Yanks r goin to have atleast $70 mill in money to spend, with coming off after the years over. and get off Gardners Co*k
he is not the answer
if the Yanks wanted to get rid of Melky they would’ve already.. Yanks like him, the fans besides u and other front runners like him, he’s not going anywhere
Cano/Kennedy and others obviously
whats ure idea bob
I know all the people here are “knowledgeable” fans who all really know the farm system and want to build thru and promote everyone and have them lead us to victory.
But that’s not everything a farm system is about. It is also used for trades to add to your big league club and make you stronger.
Good trades are vital because most prospects fail. The key is deciding which ones will succeed and which ones won’t be as good.
I’m all for CC. Just like we should have traded for Santana during the winter.
I also love how everyone is assuming that Shapiro will be asking for an all star middle infielder along with 3 top prospects for a FA to be.
Assume makes an
In trading Bartolo Colon to Montreal Shapiro netted Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips and Lee Stevens. In trading Eduardo Perez he landed Adzrubal Cabrera, In getting Travis Hafner he gave up Ryan Drese and Einar Diaz.
Yeh he’s gonna ask for under level players
Given our offense, Quality Starts is the key stat for the regular season. CMW (9), Andy and Moose (8 each) rank in the top-40 in baseball this year.
C.C. is tied for 54th (7).
On the other hand, Sabathia has had 6 “dominating starts” (0 or 1 ER, 6+ innings) this year (Moose and CMW have 4 each). That’s what I look at for October.
Just keep those hilarious and ludicrous proposals coming Aaron and anyone else.
I need the great laughs.
Maybe we can get Lincecum for Shelley. Or maybe get Chase Utley for Betemit.
Keep ‘em coming Aaron.
if the Yanks wanted to get rid of Melky they would’ve already.. Yanks like him, the fans besides u and other front runners like him, he’s not going anywhere
You do know Melky is up for a contract soon and no one is saying trade Melky but he will not be the longterm CF for the Yanks, chances are RF or LF is going to be where he ends up.
Brandon I do agree with you on that, CC isn’t gonna come cheap.
believe me, id love CC but are they gonna trade him in the AL?
“In trading Bartolo Colon to Montreal Shapiro netted Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips and Lee Stevens.”
You’re an utter moron if you think Shapiro would ever think he can get that kind of deal for a FA to be in todays market.
But I do find you funny too Brandon. I guess you forgot that the Expos were getting contracted and pushed all their chips to the middle. I wouldn’t expect little details to pass you by, genius.
bob ure such a smart a$$ whats ure ideas? or don’t u have any??
On CC’s next contract the team should give him a clause in his contract $1million for ever 20 pounds he sheds.
Aaron is going to cry when the Yanks trade Melky for Damaso Marte in addition to getting CC.
Bob.I think you need to relax because I stated the Yankees should have traded for Santana because having three rookies in the rotation would be a disaster it happened.And trade proposals like Kennedy,Melky,Horne never happened but they should have.
Yazman: Sabathia had horrible October numbers last year.
I liked Fausto Carmona a lot more than Sabathia, pity he’s hurt.
Melky’s not gettin traded. sry , if he was gettin traded he would’ve already. and he’d be in talks..
just like Brandon said, Melky’s gna be a LF or RF
Aaron,
I think any idea my 4 yr old came up with would be more sensible than your trade proposals.
But keep them coming.
We all welcome the levity.
You’re an utter moron if you think Shapiro would ever think he can get that kind of deal for a FA to be in todays market.
Very mature way of putting your point. Meanwhile I provide legit info of how Shapiro doesn’t make garbage deals. He most likely will ask for high ceiling prospects but you go on and keep calling people morons I’m sure that will help posters listen to your points.
u said that 4 times.. i think we get ure point. it was for conversation
and if houston wants to unload contracts, something like that would happen.. kno baseball idiot..
“Melky’s not gettin traded. sry , if he was gettin traded he would’ve already. and he’d be in talks..
just like Brandon said, Melky’s gna be a LF or RF”
Talks? Why would teams say they are in discussions??? Are you serious?
Melky is the one guy who is probably gone. He is expendable especially with Gardner ready now to fill in and Jackson next year.
Brandon,
I don’t really care if morons like you and Aaron listen.
I like your posts for their ridiculousness and comedy.
Keep em coming.
And Aaron. Houston is a pretty solid market sized team with an owner who spends money. And won’t be shedding contracts especially of am ace pitcher in his prime who wants to be there.
So maybe you should know baseball, moron.
nick, gardner is not the answer. if he’s so good, why isnt he up already competing with melk? and Jackson is not gonna be up next yr.. sry
Yanks get:
Oswalt and Wiggington
Astros get:
Gonzalez, Hawkins, Kennedy and another minor league pitcher
That is a joke right? Can we throw in Igawa too?
I have doubts the Yankees will trade Melky before they know what they have in Garnder at the ML level.
However, I have been known to be wrong.
if u didn’t hear bob, oswalt had a meeting and said he wants to get traded. my bad for starting a conversation moron
Gardner isn’t up because they want him to get at bats every single day instead of pinch running here. They don’t need him here now. But when they do move Melky in July he will be in CF.
Mont V,
I don’t think Aaron was joking but I’m laughing all the same.
Randy Wolf’s stuff is great and he’s actually healthy and having a good year. BUT, his numbers are heavily inflated since he’s essentially a fly ball pitcher, pitching in Petco Park. His HOME #’s feature a 2.45 ERA and a 1.00 WHIP, but on the road he’s been terrible, with a 5.31 ERA and a 1.48 WHIP. He’s recently rattled off 6 QS’s, which has really cleaned up his numbers, but 4 of those starts were at Petco and 3 of them were against Washington, Seattle, Cincy, and SF.
He’s not a viable answer right now. Kevin Towers is a smart guy and knows that he can sell Wolf high thanks to Petco’s Un-Coors like effect on SD’s hurlers. I’d say go after C.C. and give up whoever you can that’s not named Phil Hughes or Robinson Cano (whether it’s Melky, Tabata, Betances, Kennedy, etc.). If not C.C., try Harden before he gets even better. I think Beane is still saddled because of his health issues, even if he has been stellar as of late.
u wanna kno what i realized, all u guys don’t talk. u wait for someone to post something you don’t agree with and complain. get lifes, whats all ure ideas
Bob:
If we can trade Hawkins and Kennedy for Roy Freaking Oswalt we should really try to find out if Farnsworth and Duncan get us Bedard.
nick, gardner is not the answer. if he’s so good, why isnt he up already competing with melk?
Because he’s a LHB
and Jackson is not gonna be up next yr.. sry
But he will most likely be the next franchise CF for the Yankees
nick, melky is not leaving
if melky leaves, then u owe me a bj from ure gf
i agree w. the franchise part yes, but like u said earlier Melk will be in one of the corners
Aaron,
You put yourself out there. I commend you. Your idea was ridiculous and stupid and moronic but you threw it out there. Now throw some more out so we can all laugh some more.
I was hoping you were kidding but apparently you were really truly 100% serious. Which is scary.
I gotta be honest.. the proposed players MIGHT get us Wiggington, but probably not. You can’t expect someone to take your spare parts and Latroy who’s almost as bad as Igawa - and give you something of value for them.
or i mean when melk doesn’t leave, ure gf owes me one
Everyone is missing the most obvious/necessary option if this team still has a chance… Joba Chamberlain is Wang’s replacement. Does anyone seriously believe any of those names listed can REPLACE WANG (taken from post title)? Minus Sabathia, none of them even come close. Sadly, no one wanted any pressure to be put on Joba to step into the top starter role this fast but the unfortunate reality is if Wang is out for any extended period of time, you look at Joba to save this team. If anyone can do it, he can. When you look at the list no one on it even compares to Joba at this point. So if you have Joba replace Wang, then all you’re looking for is a 5th starter… I doubt the Yankees need to go outside the organization for a 5th starter.
see, JoeT
thats what i wanted people to talk about and maybe think of something that would work.
but bobs gotta be a douch#
“i agree w. the franchise part yes, but like u said earlier Melk will be in one of the corners”
Do you really follow baseball? Melky has the most value as a CF. Not as a corner outfielder. He has no value as a corner outfielder because he can’t hit for power. His value is in CF. That is why he gets traded this year. When his value is at its peak.
Melky will never be a corner OF for the Yankees.
1 post season does not make a pitcher- just like Wang’s disaster last year doesn’t make him a bad post season pitcher.These types of pitchers don’t just grow on trees though.
Im not sue what the stigma is on trades here. Trades, just as much as home grown talent, fuled the 90’s. I reiterate, Paul O’Neil, Tino, Cone, Clemens, Brosuius, Nelson, Lloyd, Justice and Knoblaugh were ALL trades. I’m really not sure how people forget this. With the same logic we should have kept Ed Yarnell, Branden Klausen, Randy Keisler in the rotation- remember then they were the next generation of Yankees 5th starters? We gave up Westbrook, got Justice, and won the WS in 00.
Imagine you sent that Aaron proposal to the Houston GM.
You think he laughs first before he hangs up the phone or after?
Hey Bob, obviously none of us here is remotely qualified to make real trades and we’re all just having fun and having conversations. Your tone’s a bit hostile don’t you think?
ya bc when we had all those title runs our COF were all power right?
“see, JoeT
thats what i wanted people to talk about and maybe think of something that would work.
but bobs gotta be a douch#”
I’m a douche for calling out for being ludicrous and dumb? You pat yourself on the back for making the dumbest comment here today? Whatever gets you through that night….
DFox: Ideally, that will be the solution, and someone I was IMing with was saying during the game that we’re lucky we moved joba when we did.
However, he’s had just three starts and has yet to face a really potent line up, like the Sox or Tigers. I’m holding off on ‘joba-is-an-ace’ judgement for now. Starter, he certainly is. Ace? Remains to be seen, though I have faith in the best.
david, did u get made fun of as a kid and all u do is make fun of people on a blog??
lets hear ure idea
Dee,
How was I hostile?
I complimented him and actually never called him out by name at first. Aaron took offense when i didn’t even say it was him. I said he was funny and thanks for the laughs.
I don’t know he’s getting so offended.
u truly are the definition of a douche bob
have a good night
bc tomorrow when i wake up,im gonna care less about u, and this stupid blog that u guys sit on all day/night and i did something for conversation purpose..
to get just Oswalt - we’d have to give up the same type players needed to get a CC or a Johan, he’s that good.
it would take a package of Melky + 2 top pitchers (a Kennedy/Melancon type talent). I don’t know too much about the minor league guys but the usual names would come up - kennedy, melancon, mccutchen, horne etc. etc.
Aaron(a REAL Yankee fan):
I usually only make fun of people who can’t actually spell “you’re” and “you”. They are too lazy and use “u”.
Why are your panties in a bunch? Relax.
You had a terrible proposal for a trade it happens.
idk about melky, bc Bourn’s a good CF w. an upside, pence is good and Lee isnt leaving.. ive seen pence play in the minors up here in troy,ny. he’s good
Aaron,
For someone with the most moronic offers and comments here you really are sensitive.
You better get to sleep. 4th grade starts early.
Why are you guys even going back and forth with the person who thought about that Houston trade for Oswalt???
I mean come on. Don’t feed the trolls. Why waste your time?
i type lingo o well, when i get my college degree i could care less. im in a bad mood bc #1 we lost our ace, #2 bob pisses me off. the guy hasn’t said one good word and he think’s he should be the next gm of the yanks
I wouldnt give up much for Oswalt. His body type lends to breaking down due to an insanely heavy work load. He’s a max effort guy in a small frame.
04-237ip
05-241ip
06-220ip
07-212p
he’s showing signs of breaking down. hr’s up, declining k/9, h/9.
Rebecca, that’s a very good point, but here’s what I’m getting at…
If Wang goes down for a long time, you have two options. You replace Wang, or you replace the 5th starter and move everyone else up. Those are two very different options. Replacing the 5th starter is the easy one… That’s just a guy from the minors or Geise, and they’d do an adequate job I’m sure. But then Andy Pettitte is your new number 1. Not a bad number 1 at all, and the number you put on each starter doesn’t really matter until the post season. Maybe it’s just the context “replacing” is being used in. Because none of those guys Pete named are going to come remotely close to “replacing” Wang. That’s why it makes more sense to me to say you’re moving Joba into that slot, and getting a new 5th starter because everyone else moves up. I think the question comes down more to finding another 5th starter.
ive read stupid ass ideas on here all the time
like barfield and cc , who ever wanted that trade was stupid.. and givin up cano and others, makes no sense..my trade makes more sense that that one..
“Horrendous contract for Oswalt and he has a NTC to NY, meaning he does not want to go to NYC.”
A NTC that blocks a team doesn’t necessarily mean you don’t want to go to that team. Sometimes players put big market teams on their no trade list since those are the teams most likely to make a trade. Adam Dunn for example has all big market teams on his no trade list, so that he can control the team he goes to when a trade does come up and can also cash in on getting money to waive his clause.
And just to sum up my point, if we are using the word “replacing”, that means you are putting a new pitcher into the number ONE slot of the rotation. That’s replacing. To me, the only two viable options for replacing are Joba or Sabathia. Anyone else would not be a replace because they would not fit into that #1 slot.
“like barfield and cc , who ever wanted that trade was stupid.. and givin up cano and others, makes no sense..my trade makes more sense that that one..”
He won’t give up on his proposal dream. I do give him credit for stubbornness. He’s the George W of the board.
bob, there are stupid proposal’s every day on here. worse then mine..
Funny reality; With Wang down and Joba only making his fourth start, right now, Mike Mussina is our #1 guy.
Who wudda thunk it?
The trade proposals are fine. Everyone’s allowed to throw crazy ideas out there. I think Aaron’s propositioning Nick’s gf is far more insulting.
Aaron,
I do hope YOU’RE the next GM of the Yanks. Because I would LOVE to get Oswalt and Wigs for Hawkins, Gonzalez, and a prospect like you said.
Pretty please, hire Aaron.
david, the only reason im so annoyed is bc every time i come on here there are more stupid proposals then mine. and bob wants to jump all over it
I don’t think my wife would leave me for a poster who thinks Melky is an all star RF.
She has some taste and class. Maybe if Aaron can come up with Oswalt for LaTroy she would.
i meant to put 2 prospects didn’t realize i only had 1..
u wanna kno what bob,were not gonna trade anyone, and if we do it isnt anyone on the 25 man roster now. so i could care less.
like i said i was doin it for conversation.
Aaron(a REAL Yankee fan), you really should relax. What do you expect the reaction to be from that proposal???
I realize you are upset with Wang out but calm down.
nick im sure last year when melky had a real good year u were all over him.. he’s 23 he’s gonna be fine..
“u wanna kno what bob,were not gonna trade anyone, and if we do it isnt anyone on the 25 man roster now. so i could care less.
like i said i was doin it for conversation.”
And all I said was I wanted more from YOU. More proposals. Keep ‘em coming.
Need the laughs.
im calm, but that guy pisses me off..lol
what was ure opinion when someone wanted barfield and cc
Rebecca, want to hear an even funnier reality I thought of that is utterly disgraceful? If the Yankees decide to ask Joba to fill the #1 starter void (I’m just speculating), their number 1 starter will be getting paid $390,000, the least on the team, while he heads their $200 million payroll and they make millions of dollars off of his name. Does that strike anyone else as unfair? Shouldn’t they throw this kid more money? It’s pretty disgraceful that Jonathan Albaladejo is making more money than someone who is probably the Yankees most important asset.
Melky is good this year. He’s a quality player. But hes not a corner OF’er. If you had paid attention I explained why his value is at its highest right now and why he will be eventually traded. His value lies in CF. He has little value as a corner OF’er.
If you don’t want to read and follow I cannot help you.
we sure have came a long way, if Pete can post a subject “Options to Replace Wang” and we can go two hours without anyone making some unfunny sophomoric joke…
DFox,
You do realize that is the economics of the game right?
That is how it works? He will make his money in time and he will be well compensated for it.
i like the bronson arroyo idea if its long term
i understand what ure sayin nick
but all im saying is melky isn’t leaving
Aaron(a REAL Yankee fan) June 16th, 2008 at 1:27 am
what was ure opinion when someone wanted barfield and cc
I was laughing and asking for more proposals. Hello, McFly.
You got anymore trades, Aaron, before I pass out??? Don’t leave us in suspense.
DFox: I think Joba got like a $1 million signing bonus, which for someone taken where he was taken, was quite substantial.
No one on the Yankees expect to get out of Joba what they’ve gotten–at least, not this soon.
Joba will get his millions, don’t worry.
Melky is a goner. Just a matter of time. Maybe you can give me your first born when he does get traded. Because it is happening.
steven = M&MD??
sorry… cheap shot
I’ll take anyone that can win us a few games though
Everyone needs to relax a bit. For all we know, Wang could be back in 2 weeks. Let’s wait and see what the results of his MRI will be, and then we’ll all argue with one another about what we should do to “replace” him (although the “replace the 5th starter” idea which features moving everyone else up in the rotation will likely be the route they take–but, this too is dependent upon the injury’s severity).
Gardner will be the CF come August.
And we will all love his speed and defense.
nick
we got a deal
my new born
for ure wife,lol
Even if Wang is back in 2 weeks, why shouldn’t we look to add another ace level pitcher?
Starting pitching is what wins titles.
Maybe can we wait until we know what is wrong with Wang and how much time he will miss if any before we decide “who will replace him”?!! If it is just a sprain he could miss only 1 start. Obviously his foot was swollen the injury just happened. Just like the ny post saying “ace could be done for the season”..I would like to know what makes them doctors. Let the guy have an MRI 1st before they try to sell papers for tomorrow.
and cano’s not going anywhere
You can look to do anything you want, but the need is obviously dependent upon Wang’s status. Yes, starting pitching is where it’s at, but we have a fairly strong rotation with Wang, Pettitte, Moose, Joba and Rasner. If Wang is back in 2 weeks, do you really need to trade away your farm system for a C.C. Sabathia when he’ll be a FA at the end of the year?
Probably not.
im off guys and girls goin to eat my chinese
yes my proposal was stupid but it got a good conversation out of all u..
especially u bob, cant go to bed without saying good night! Sweet dreams
Matty, I realize that, but I completely disagree with it in this situation. I guarantee you the Yankees have never had a 22 year old rookie who has meant this much to them this soon. He pretty much saved their season last year and stopped the Yankees from being a $200 million complete flop. He plays for the biggest market team in SPORTS. The Steinbrenners THROW millions around like they’re single dollar bills. My mom knows little to nothing about baseball and she’s a Joba Chamberlain fan. He’s practically the new face of the team. And during the offseason, they couldn’t throw Joba a penny? Nada, no “thank you”. They probably make $390,000 a week off Joba’s name in t-shirt sales. I’m not saying give him anything excessive, just a little extra than their minimum salary just to show how much he means to them… If Joba Chamberlain didn’t exist then I doubt there would be a Yankee fan on this planet tonight who honestly thought they had a chance of making the playoffs without Wang.
Rebecca, I was mostly talking about for what he gave them last season. They knew they were making him a starter, and they knew he would play this sort of role on the Yankees this year. If they say otherwise then they are lying because Cashman has specifically said it was always in the cards to make him a starter this year…
Why should the Yankees pay Chamberlain more money now? You act like he’s poor. He got a huge signing bonus, and in 5 years he’ll make 100M+.
Huge sob story for a 27 year old kid.
Okay this is insanity…
If they want Cano I’d certainly hope Cashman and the Steinbrenner family whom I have complete faith in to say ca’ NO!!
Are you people being serious?
Or just trying to “strt a cnvstion”?
Seriously…
You don’t think Minnesota would’ve like to get Cano?
I’m sure Cash, Hal, Hank and maybe even George himself would’ve laughed their collective behinds off before Smith ever heard a dialtone and that would’ve been for THE MIGHTY SANTANA
But now, because Cano is tanking and Wang is probably gone for the year we want some fat dude who looks like he could floss his teeth w’ edwar ramirez?
Sorry but this is the untouchable order IMHO
1. Cano
2. Hughes (FYI - He broke his rib playing golf btw)
3. Melancon
4. Yada
5. Yada yada
and so on…
No way i give them anything above Kennedy and maybe if they really bust our balls Tabata and or A Jax. I say A Jax ( WHICH I KNOW IS SACRILEGE BECAUSE IT WILL STILL BE FAR EASIER TO FIND POSITION PLAYERS IN THE CURRENT MARKET THAN PITCHING AND OTHER THAN CANO NONE ARE MORE VALUABLE THAN A POSSIBLE FRONT LINE STARTER\)
Sorry my caps lock is kinda on it’s own toNIGT…
I’m going to go out on a limb here Robi Cano, Austin Jackson and Jose Tabata are going nowhere. That is my honest opionion on this.
Yeah Ian Kennedy is really gonna get you CC Sabathia…
A guy who is petrified to throw a strike against major leaguers is gonna get you one of the most durable pitchers in the league. You gotta be kidding.
They get 2 draft picks just for hanging on to him til September. Why would they want a bag of balls like Kennedy when they can get 2 big picks?
Hey Bateman
I agree but if Kennedy and a package of high level prospects ala AJAX/Tabata/Betances can’t get it done for literally A TWO MONTH RENTAL THEN F$%K SHAPIRO AND HIS GOONS
Let them have Youkillis truth be told we may be better off.
Patrick, a signing bonus is a bonus for what its name infers… for SIGNING. Is that also the bonus for becoming the most talked about player in New York, saving the 2007 season, being practically the new face of the franchise, drawing tons of people to the ballpark, and oh yeah, not to mention he’s the guy they want to have go up against Josh Beckett when it’s ALCS time. You name me all of the other 22 year old rookies who have meant that much to the Yankees and have been paid the minimum baseball salary, and I’ll agree with you.
The bottom line is the Yankees are bringing in HUGE amounts of money from Joba NOW. That’s why they should have thrown him a little thank you. Not a million dollars, maybe putting him up to $500,000 would have been nice.
And yeah, he should make hundreds of millions, but I’m sure you watch baseball and I’m sure you are WELL aware of what can happen to pitchers because of injuries. Nothing is a slam dunk.
He’s not gonna be a 2 month rental. If the Yankees trade for him, do you honestly think they’re just gonna let him walk at the end of the year? This is the Yankees we’re talking about. If CC says 6 years at 20 per, he’s gonna get it. No questions asked.
The bigger problem is if another team trades for Sabathia and he doesn’t hit the open market at the end of the season. Then we’ve got Wang and 4 kids in the rotation next year. That’ll be ugly.
Why do they have to throw him anything? In 5 years he’s going to make an ungodly amount of money.
The system is in place for a reason. Teams get 6 years of relatively reasonable rates. Then they pay through the nose. If you start throwing around money because a rookie brings in people, you open the flood gates for every other rookie to demand that.
Be realistic. In 5 years he’ll have more money then he’ll know what to do with.
If we gave them
AJAX - which would hurt.
Kennedy - which may or may not hurt later -(I’m not one hundred percent sure he’s garbage yet sorry he’s still to young and came to highly lauded…)
Tabata - I don’t care but hear he’s still somewhat valuable.
Melky - Which would hurt a lot this year from a fly ball to the outfield kinda way.
Then what do they expect?
If there’s no bidding war why does CC okay the deal?
If there is an impending war than why would any team much less the Yanks deal any real high ceiling prospects?
Santana’s deal made it impossible for the Mets to have lost their prospects until the same type of deal is being offered how would we or any team for that matter be able to take such a risk on a 72 hour question mark?
Yu Darvish should be the organizations focal point for personnel improvement IMO.
That dude is supposed to be better than Dice K and is 3 yrs younger!!!
OH YEAH AND HE’S ALSO 200lbs lighter!!
prediction. no doubt Wang has a Lisfranc injury (a la Bruney). i really, really hope I am wrong. it is an injury centered in the middle of your foot. the foot consists of 3 approximate sections: hindfoot (heel), forefoot (the toes) and midfoot (in between or the “arch”). the Lisfranc injury really has to do with the underside of the arch rather than the top of the foot. would explain more but probably not necessary unless someone had an overwhelming desire to know. in a pinch, you can Google or yahoo it, maybe even run your search with “lisfranc injury patient information.” i do that all the time. it can definitely help. Lisfranc was another cool character in 19th century medicine (back then if u noticed something u got the chance to stamp your name on it, sort of like William Ostler, Karl Langer, etc)… a surgeon in Napoleon’s army. the Lisranc inj centers about the tarsometatarsal articulation of the foot, i.e., the midfoot. when u stand on the ball of your foot, you can feel the pressure building in the Lisfranc area of your foot. sometimes you actually attempt to complete xrays w/ patients standing in just such a position. imagine the discomfort. : )
would actually be very surprised if wang did not have a Lisfranc injury. pain, swelling and his being unable to even walk veritably suggests it. let’s hope it is a grade 1 or 2 w/ no fx or fx-disloc. usually w/ any sprain, grade 1 = stretching the ligament. grade 3 = full tear or injury of the ligament. grade 2 = somewhere in between.
we can hope wang has a 1 or 2. you KNOW they did an xray which is not very helpful most of the time. that is why he will undergo an MRI. sometimes it is glaringly apparent, but those instances are rare. that means he will probably be out 3-4 weeks. he will be casted. funny enough, during the game i was thinking things are starting to turn around b/c they finally are starting to hit w/ some decent starting pitching. i also thought wang should have stayed on 3rd, but it was not meacham’s fault as pete a. alluded to earlier. this was a problem waiting to happen. who is to say that wang during any sort of running exercise might not have experienced similar discomfort. but i was thinking a couple bench moves… voila. stronger team. not. if wang has a fx (fracture) or fx-disloc, then he will probably require surgery (then he will be out for 10-12 weeks at the least). could be back in time for late Aug or even Sept (??). who knows. complications abound w/ these types of injuries.
do not know who the yanks use. could use Dr. William Hamilton @ Roosevelt (St. Luke’s-Roosevelt). he is the big foot guy in the city. athletes from all over the US travel to see him. some would call him the James Andrews of feet. he has taken care of Emmitt Smith, Scottie Pippen, big Eric Williams (am a HUGE Cowboys fan! down w/ Big Blue. got lucky, right?)… (could also swear he took care of that loser Charles Smith, who could not score in the paint against the Bulls… clang w/ NO FOULS CALLED!).
tomorrow will tell. as w/ many situations in life, time will reveal all. they will survive. the yanks will be fine despite any setbacks for wang. things are turning and will continue to turn despite the above. i am like rebecca. i believe.
i do not post often but decided to do so as i thought some additional info was warranted. am not some dumb a$$ troll like NYPD or that fool posting as “ER.” some of them are so transparent it is just ridiculous. many thanks pete a. for the blog. just love it. i will keep on reading. just thought i would express my gratitude to all the regulars. keep on posting.
Patrick, you’re missing my point… From a sheer economic point of view, how many other rookies bring in this much money for a team? It’s not even a question that if the Yankees gave Joba an extra $110,000 to make it $500,000, they’d STILL be making millions of of his name from merchandise. I’m not even talking from a baseball production standpoint there. Of course you wouldn’t do it for all rookies. Joba never “demanded” anything and that’s WHY you would do it. This guy does nothing but say everything the organization wants to hear, do everything the organization wants him to do, and then when it’s contract time they stiff him. Go look at the Red Sox payroll and see how many players they have making the minimum salary.
And again, stop talking about 5 years. If he takes the mound this week and blows out his arm and never pitches again I doubt his $390,000 will seem all that impressive.
I just find it funny how the one place where the Yankees get cheap is with their young star pitcher who everyone loves.
^^^
Per CB’s post:
“Bruney’s injury was in the middle of the foot, and Wang’s is believed to be in the webbing of his toes, between his big toe and second toe.”
Lisfranc injury’s cause pain in the middle of the foot. Not in the webbing of your toe. I could be wrong but I have never heard of any pain bad enough on the webbing of your toe that causes you to miss a big part of the season.
Yeah thats just what we should bank on, Yu Darvish. Just like we banked on getting DiceK and didn’t have a high enough bid so we got stuck with Igawful.
Darvish isn’t being posted yet, so why bother putting hopes into something that isn’t even available and nobody knows when he will be. Plus he’s unproven in the majors.
Brandon
TYLER KEPNER IS NOT SOME 15yr old amatuer.
If this was Sherman or M&MD gossip I’d be more inclined to take your advice but Kepner is usually right so if he sais The Yankees’ season changed irreversibly on Sunday. Chien-Ming Wang’s season is in jeopardy with a serious injury to his right foot, and C. C. Sabathia instantly became a very important name in the Yankees’ universe.
Wang … did not speak to reporters, but he told others that he felt a pop in his foot while rounding third base, a strong sign of ligament damage that could sideline him for months, if not the rest of the season…
The Yankees called the injury a sprained right foot, and they will hope for the best until Wang has a magnetic resonance imaging test in New York on Monday. But the early signs are grim.
The injury is to the top of Wang’s foot, the same general area that reliever Brian Bruney injured when he tripped while covering first base in April. Bruney was found to have a Lisfranc injury and is expected to miss a minimum of three months.
Wang has symptoms of the same injury, including swelling and the inability to bear weight on the foot; he left Minute Maid Park on crutches, in a soft cast. Bruney’s injury was in the middle of the foot, and Wang’s is believed to be in the webbing of his toes, between his big toe and second toe.
Then I believe him till proven otherwise.
Get ready for the worst people.
No you’re missing the point DFox.
In 5 years he’s going to make at least 100M.
Part of the reason they can pay him that is because they had him for 6 years where he was making a reasonable contract. It all evens out in the end. Teams are businesses, and what you’re suggesting is profit sharing with players which is absurd. Baseball players already make the most money in sports due to no salary caps. Now you want to give them part of the pie?
How about Jay Bruce? Reds fans go crazy about him, should he start getting a portion of the gate take?
I can’t believe someone is saying that a baseball player who hasn’t even played a full season yet needs more money.
Dorsia is an overrated, I got to Texarkana.
There will be a bidding war for Sabathia. There are teams who could use a big starter. Cubs could use one, Dodgers, maybe the Red Sox if Matsuzaka’s rotator cuff is more serious than they are letting on. Maybe the Jays take a shot at him.
I’m not saying Kennedy is a total bust, but lets be honest about what he’s always been projected to be. A #4-5 starter. He’s got low velocity stuff, hasn’t shown confidence in throwing strikes to MLers, and he’s a righty. Those guys are a dime a dozen. You trade him for Sabathia and don’t think twice since you wouldn’t have to give up your 2009 draft pick by signing Sabathia in the off season.
Tabata may have future value, the question is when. He’s struggling right now, he’s young, and he’s got an attitude problem.
I agree Jackson is the one that hurts the most since we have a lack of position players in the system and Melky is on borrowed time in our outfield.
nuff said
Patrick, are you dense? You keep bringing up what Joba is going to make 5 years from now. He’s NOT a position player, he’s a PITCHER. Let’s go back to the basics. PITCHING is not a normal motion for a human being. Pitchers get injured. Pitchers get lots of career ending injuries. You can never talk about a power pitcher 5 years down that road. This is so much room for injury that it’s almost sad.
Show me where I said there should be profit sharing. Giving a player $110,000 because he saved your season last year and is the hottest thing to hit New York in years isn’t profit sharing. Profit sharing is if you said to Joba we’re going to give you a percentage of all the revenue you bring in for us.
And did Jay Bruce take his team with a $200 million payroll to the playoffs? Oh that’s right, the Reds have less than half that payroll and they don’t make the playoffs and they aren’t the biggest market team to ever exist in professional sports.
Please, let’s stop pretending that the Yankees are right for not giving Joba anything during the offseason. It was wrong then, and it’s wrong now. When you’re a team like the Yankees who throws money at any player than has two legs, you should be able to throw a tiny bit at the biggest rookie phenomenon to ever hit the NY baseball scene.
and you make the same ridiculous statements again and again and again…
So we have to pay Joba extra money now because he may get injured?
Might as well start giving Hughes money too, because he’s injured all the time.
Is Pavano giving us money back because he’s always injured?
Your logic is so flawed its not even funny. You’re for destroying a league system because you have affection for a player. Get over it. He’s gonna make money.
you guys are insane…
Patrick, you’re argument is so bad you prove it wrong in your own writing. Hughes doesn’t make the MINIMUM salary for a Major League Baseball player. He makes $406,350… That’s all they had to bump Joba up to, I’m not saying throw him a million, I’m saying just around that amount. For the love of god, put him at an even $400,000 if nothing else. But stop arguing if you’re going to prove yourself wrong. You act like I said let’s pay Joba now for what he will do 5 years down the road… Uh, no.
And in 2 years he’s going to be making millions via arbitration if you really want to nitpick.
Rookies shouldn’t expect more than the minimum. You’re setting a precedent by just giving out more money to rookies. Thats why you’ve got players like Papelbon crying that he should be making top closer money when he’s played only 1 complete season. Prince Fielder who has had 1 good season isn’t satisfied with his pay which is above the league minimum. Cole Hamels thinks he should be making ace money.
The system is in place for a reason. You do your time, you make money in 3 years and huge money in 6 years. And teams get a chance to see what type of player they have on their hands and how they progress from year to year.
If you’re so worried about Joba missing a meal, you and your Joba Rule T-Shirt wearing Mom should mail him a check at Yankee Stadium.
Patrick I’m done arguing with you, all you’re doing is talking about what other teams do and what other players do. I was talking about Joba Chamberlain and the New York Yankees. But you’re right, what the Yankees did was the right thing to do. Overpay Phil Hughes, overpay Ross Olendorf, overpay Jonathan Albaladejo, overpay Jason Giambi, overpay Johnny Damon, but when it comes time to overpay your 22 year old phenom who is the only thing between having a good team and being a complete disgrace of a team, you put your foot down. Because I mean overpaying their best arm by $110,000 would be the worst economic decision the Yankees have ever made. That makes a ton of sense.
You don’t understand business, or precedent. You obviously have a man crush on Joba Chamberlain and you’ve thrown reason out the window.
Why aren’t you crying for Wang when the Yankees haggled over 500K? Its all precedent. They don’t feel that Wang is on the same level as other “aces” in the league. Will that 500 grand kill the Yankees? No. But if they hadn’t stepped up and balked on that arbitration hearing they’d be killed in the future.
If you throw Joba more money you have to pay EVERY rookie more money.
Randy Wolf is no better than our own in house options. Garcia would only cost money, but the same is true of him. Go with Giese for the short term and explore a deal for CC. CC is actually worth giving up some talent for. IMO Chamberlain and Hughes are not on the table. Anyone else, including Cano, it’s open season. If Cleveland proves too greedy, like Minn., go with what we’ve got and see where the chips fall. The rest of the season could be a series of auditions for next years rotation.
Brandon, your a little on the meanside for a youngster, no?
Why do you rip everyone’s trade ideas? Who made you the Blog Capo? Ripping on that Aaron guy at 12:30 last night.
Seriously, grow up. Your the one obsessed with Threets and Freel, for Chrissake.
Get over yourself.
Brandon (supporting “Alex being Alex”) (J.Santana HR allowed count: 12 )
June 16th, 2008 at 12:59 am
You’re an utter moron if you think Shapiro would ever think he can get that kind of deal for a FA to be in todays market.
Very mature way of putting your point.
LOL! Somebody else stands up to you and you go crying to Pete. What a dooshbaggolo.
I mean, you have a Johan HR counter in your name. Seriously, you ever date a woman, and online doesn’t count!
i say give giese the first shot next sunday. in the meantime, karstens will get 2 more starts with scranton and if he looks healthy, he becomes plan b. by then kennedy should be ready to be plan c. no need to go looking outside the organization, this is what we’ve been building all this pitching depth for. the offense is going to have to get it together and support whoever it is with runs.
i see the yankees filling the hole quite nicely from within.
Under no conditions should Kei Igawa be considered. Jeff Karstens has proven to be too injury prone.
Freddy Garcia is a big risk and has lost 5 mph from his fastball.
DAVID ROBERTSON
i haven’t read through all of the comments, but mike francesa is pimping bronson arroyo hard. get him in a trade before CC.
First of all, Bob, you’re a pain in the ass.
Also, getting CC might be a good risk to take. Chances are it won’t be until the indians are sure they will miss the playoffs. This gives cashman time to assess the situation and determine if he is truly a good fit. Even with Wang, the yanks have missed a true ace who can miss bats. I love wang but he would be an ideal #2. I would hate to see another missed opportunity like Santana, even though i didnt support at the time, simply out of hope that our farm system could come through.
I would hate to see Cano go, simply because he is one of the few successes from our minor league system of late. However CC is damn good. His horrible patience is a bit of a drain on the yankee line up which thrives on driving up pitch counts. Cano may have a great career, but he will not win us a world series. CC could in a year or two.
Cano’s horrible patience i mean.
I’d say you can narrow your short term options. They’re definitely NOT going to use McCutchen (too early, will have just pitched on the 20th OR he’d be pitching on too much rest, they’re not going to mess with the young guys routine) or Igawa (there’s just no need for that disaster again, its getting embarrassing for the yanks).
Here’s what they WILL MOST LIKELY do….pitch pettitte on short rest IF Giese and Ohlie can be available for relief (obviously they limit his previous start on the 17th)…
OR bring in Marquez (lots of innings and recently improving) or Karstens (not stellar numbers, but has the experience). They are both already on the 40 man roster.
short of igawa, i would trade nobody for arroyo. Wolf has inflated stats at SD. Oswalt is not coming to NY (plus we just punished him). We might as well throw garcia a bit of money and test him out in the minors, money is one thing we will always have. And harden could also be worth the price if he continues to avoid injury
Shutup you little whining bitches. GO RED SOX!!!
Chien-ming-wang SUCKS
call me: 516-986-9018
Roger Clemens and David Wells!!!!
Just kidding.
….although I have heard mumblings about Aaron Heilmann.Duncan and Latrine Hawkins go to Queens.
Oh Paul girl, all you paranoid Red Sux fans can’t get over the fact,that,dispite 2 WS wins,YOUR RED SUX WILL NEVER,EVER BE ON A LEVEL WITH THE NEW YORK YANKEES.BOSTON IS,WAS, AND WILL ALWAYS BE A ONE HORSE TOWN,PERPETUALLY IN THE SHADOW OF THE BIG APPLE.
Alan Horne is another internal option.
I know I’m late on this, but my $0.02 is absolutely not on Harden. Don’t do deals with Beane, period. Let some other GM get raped. Sabathia, no, because of the same reasons I spent an hour in here debating yesterday
Combo of $, years and talent surrendered will be much too much. Freddy Garcia I guess we could give a try if we could get him with no strings attatched, but even before surgery, when is the last time he actually pitched well? Randy Wolf I was about to say maybe b/c he pitched in the Philly Shoebox, which is not really THAT different from pitching in the AL, but then I saw his numbers there, and…no.
None of these options are very appealing IMO…I was thinking Aaron Cook as 08 was originally his option year but just saw on Cot’s that they extended him through 2012. Damn. I guess I’d go with Garcia too, albeit with trepidation.
Wolfe would be a nice short term solution. Harden and C.C. would be great only if the price is right.