Comments on: The Sunday Links http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:00:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: sw http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/comment-page-1/#comment-391700 sw Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:30:12 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/#comment-391700 "So, I believe that if a good contending team, including Yankess, offer him a reasonable deal he will take it. He will not try to break the bank." I agree. Playing for a good team with a good bullpen and offense is tantamount to Mussina now more than ever, and he's well aware he's going to be 40 years old and won't hold out for money no matter how good a season he has. He's probably signable for $8-12 million to the right bidder for one year with options based on GS and IP for the following two years. He's comfortable with the Yankees and will give them a hometown discount if they want him back (since Pavano will be off the books in 2009, he won't have to be insulted at being paid less than CP). I'm sure Queens and Philly will look like awfully tempting destinations as well. Moose is pitching for his legacy now. If he continues to pitch well in the twilight years when writers are paying attention to his HOF credentials he will get a lot of them on his side. Many in the press seem to be rooting for him this season because his success after he was dumped from the rotation last year makes for a good story to write about. Two or three more years at consistent double digit win Mike Mussina level pitching, and he'll have 300 wins and 3000 Ks. It's true he's never had a "moment" for the record books, but he's been as adept as anybody in the game at getting outs and winning ever since he was a 22 year old rookie making his debut, all through his prime years, and now at 39 years of age. Guys like Glavine and Maddux haven't pitched no hitters, their post season records and ERAS are a wash with Mussina, and he'd have as many rings as them if Mariano hadn't blown the game in 2001 Game 7, so it's ridiculous to use those specific criteria against Moose. The 20 win thing is the toughest one since no HOF starters are in without it, so I'm really hoping he gets it this year. Plus, on the side of irony, he would pass Jamie Moyer as the oldest first-time twenty game winner. “So, I believe that if a good contending team, including Yankess, offer him a reasonable deal he will take it. He will not try to break the bank.”
I agree. Playing for a good team with a good bullpen and offense is tantamount to Mussina now more than ever, and he’s well aware he’s going to be 40 years old and won’t hold out for money no matter how good a season he has. He’s probably signable for $8-12 million to the right bidder for one year with options based on GS and IP for the following two years. He’s comfortable with the Yankees and will give them a hometown discount if they want him back (since Pavano will be off the books in 2009, he won’t have to be insulted at being paid less than CP). I’m sure Queens and Philly will look like awfully tempting destinations as well.

Moose is pitching for his legacy now. If he continues to pitch well in the twilight years when writers are paying attention to his HOF credentials he will get a lot of them on his side. Many in the press seem to be rooting for him this season because his success after he was dumped from the rotation last year makes for a good story to write about. Two or three more years at consistent double digit win Mike Mussina level pitching, and he’ll have 300 wins and 3000 Ks.

It’s true he’s never had a “moment” for the record books, but he’s been as adept as anybody in the game at getting outs and winning ever since he was a 22 year old rookie making his debut, all through his prime years, and now at 39 years of age. Guys like Glavine and Maddux haven’t pitched no hitters, their post season records and ERAS are a wash with Mussina, and he’d have as many rings as them if Mariano hadn’t blown the game in 2001 Game 7, so it’s ridiculous to use those specific criteria against Moose. The 20 win thing is the toughest one since no HOF starters are in without it, so I’m really hoping he gets it this year. Plus, on the side of irony, he would pass Jamie Moyer as the oldest first-time twenty game winner.

]]> By: Yazman (aka David) http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/comment-page-1/#comment-391687 Yazman (aka David) Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:11:29 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/#comment-391687 Good analogy, AJ. Moose has 5 all star appearances (maybe 6th this year) and 8 top-6 Cy Young placements. Biggio has 7 all star appearances, and 2 top-6 MVP placements (+ 3 more top-16 MVP placements). IMO, AS appearances or awards votes are indicative of being an elite player that year -- way above just "good" that year. Good analogy, AJ.

Moose has 5 all star appearances (maybe 6th this year) and 8 top-6 Cy Young placements.

Biggio has 7 all star appearances, and 2 top-6 MVP placements (+ 3 more top-16 MVP placements).

IMO, AS appearances or awards votes are indicative of being an elite player that year — way above just “good” that year.

]]> By: Yazman (aka David) http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/comment-page-1/#comment-391683 Yazman (aka David) Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:03:56 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/#comment-391683 Wow, 9 appearances each on that list for Maddux and Clemens, 6 for Pedro. Imagine having that many seasons ranking among the best of all time? Wow. Wow, 9 appearances each on that list for Maddux and Clemens, 6 for Pedro. Imagine having that many seasons ranking among the best of all time? Wow.

]]> By: AJ http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/comment-page-1/#comment-391679 AJ Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:00:16 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/#comment-391679 On the broadcast yesterday, they were talking about Biggio, and how he's a Hall of Famer. Isn't Biggio basically the hitting equivalent of Mussina? Biggio never won an MVP, never led his league in BA, was never higher than fourth in the MVP voting. In this era, 300 wins is a much greater accomplishment than 3000 hits. Even if Mussina finishes with 280-285, he'll be the last to reach that mark for a very long time. When he's done, he'll be in the top 20 (maybe top 15) all time in Ks. The only people ahead of him on that list who aren't no-doubt first ballot hall of famers will be Roger Clemens and Curt Schilling. Also, he would have won 20 games in 1995 and probably in 1994 as well if they werent strike-shortened seasons. If Biggio is a HOFer then Mussina certainly is. On the broadcast yesterday, they were talking about Biggio, and how he’s a Hall of Famer. Isn’t Biggio basically the hitting equivalent of Mussina? Biggio never won an MVP, never led his league in BA, was never higher than fourth in the MVP voting. In this era, 300 wins is a much greater accomplishment than 3000 hits. Even if Mussina finishes with 280-285, he’ll be the last to reach that mark for a very long time. When he’s done, he’ll be in the top 20 (maybe top 15) all time in Ks. The only people ahead of him on that list who aren’t no-doubt first ballot hall of famers will be Roger Clemens and Curt Schilling. Also, he would have won 20 games in 1995 and probably in 1994 as well if they werent strike-shortened seasons. If Biggio is a HOFer then Mussina certainly is.

]]> By: BBFan http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/comment-page-1/#comment-391655 BBFan Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:05:22 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/#comment-391655 It is funny how every one laughed at hank when he made commnets about Moose. The turnaround comes after that and Moose is doing more or less what Hank suggested he should do. It is funny how every one laughed at hank when he made commnets about Moose. The turnaround comes after that and Moose is doing more or less what Hank suggested he should do.

]]> By: BBFan http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/comment-page-1/#comment-391654 BBFan Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:58:23 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/#comment-391654 "Do you think the Yankees will re-sign him? It’ll cost them more than his current contract, but where’s the safety net for the Young Pitcher Plan (which is presently in some disarray)?" Mussina made his money in the game. Now he will worry about which team gives him better chance to win games to reach his goal of HOF. So, I believe that if a good contending team, including Yankess, offer him a reasonable deal he will take it. He will not try to break the bank. Also, for next year, Yanks should keep Mussina, not Andy. “Do you think the Yankees will re-sign him? It’ll cost them more than his current contract, but where’s the safety net for the Young Pitcher Plan (which is presently in some disarray)?”

Mussina made his money in the game.
Now he will worry about which team gives him better chance to win games to reach his goal of HOF.
So, I believe that if a good contending team, including Yankess, offer him a reasonable deal he will take it. He will not try to break the bank.
Also, for next year, Yanks should keep Mussina, not Andy.

]]> By: Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/comment-page-1/#comment-391646 Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:38:23 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/#comment-391646 Right now Moose is borderline. If he can get 20 wins this year (don't laugh, he's got 10 before the halfway point), I think he's got a shot. 300 is pushing it. it's possible, but he'd have to stay healthy an continue pitching like this, and there's no guarantee the Yankees are going to sign him. Right now Moose is borderline.

If he can get 20 wins this year (don’t laugh, he’s got 10 before the halfway point), I think he’s got a shot.

300 is pushing it. it’s possible, but he’d have to stay healthy an continue pitching like this, and there’s no guarantee the Yankees are going to sign him.

]]> By: Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/comment-page-1/#comment-391645 Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:36:36 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/#comment-391645 Hapy Father's Day to all the Dads out there! Hapy Father’s Day to all the Dads out there!

]]> By: morning star http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/comment-page-1/#comment-391644 morning star Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:29:42 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/#comment-391644 Mussina is borderline HOF, but can be helped by two factors. First, if he sticks around and piles up more wins. Second, if the baseball voters start giving extra points to pitchers who were successful in the steriod era, and especially against AL East competition. We'll see. Right now, enjoy the ride. Mussina is borderline HOF, but can be helped by two factors. First, if he sticks around and piles up more wins.
Second, if the baseball voters start giving extra points to pitchers who were successful in the steriod era, and especially against AL East competition. We’ll see.

Right now, enjoy the ride.

]]> By: YankeesTech http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/comment-page-1/#comment-391643 YankeesTech Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:26:02 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/15/the-sunday-links-48/#comment-391643 What's that type combination of water and a----- the trainer was spraying the players with? I am looking for the blank substance for 1000 dollars. jk about the money part... What’s that type combination of water and a—– the trainer was spraying the players with?

I am looking for the blank substance for 1000 dollars.

jk about the money part…

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