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Wang out at least 10 weeks – likely more

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 16, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This from the Yankees:

INJURY UPDATE ON RHP CHIEN-MING WANG

RHP Chien-Ming Wang was examined today at New York Presbyterian Hospital Columbia Medical Center by Yankees Team Physician, Dr. Stuart Hershon and Dr. Justin Greisberg, Foot and Ankle Specialist.

Imaging studies revealed a mid-foot sprain of the Lisfranc ligament of the right foot and a partial tear of the peroneal longus tendon of the right foot.

Wang will be on crutches and wear a protective boot for a minimum of six weeks.

UPDATE, 2:52 p.m.: Wang will be in a protective boot for six weeks. That’s July 28. He would need at least four weeks to get his arm back in shape to pitch – assuming that he is fully healed after six weeks.

That’s Aug. 25 at the earliest.

UPDATE, 2:52 p.m.: This pretty much worst-case scenario for the Yankees. If Wang is not out for the season, he is out until at least September. Their options are to try and make up 18 or so starts internally or make a trade.

You have to assume he is out for the season. Six weeks in a boot means no playing catch, no conditioning. Even if he is fully healed by that point, it will take a while to get back in pitching shape.

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514 Responses to “Wang out at least 10 weeks – likely more”

  1. PJH June 16th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Son of a *^&$#

  2. JoeT 28 in 09!! June 16th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    NOOOOOOOO!! Kim Jones was right which makes it that much worse

    get the medicine man!!

  3. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (Jose Tabata Supporter 4 Life !!!!) June 16th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    :(

  4. Hit for the Cycle June 16th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Son of a gun!

  5. Anyone but Farnsworth June 16th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    I dont know what to say about this, but i was not expecting this. God damn

  6. Brent (This Damon Guy's For Real, Huh?) June 16th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Kim Jones and Darth were both right. My apologies for using your comment to poke fun earlier, Darth.

  7. Tseng June 16th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Well crap.

  8. tony June 16th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    ugh not good…so 10 weeks in Yankee talk probably means 20 weeks…

  9. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 16th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Tell me you’re joking.

  10. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Well now that its certain anyone against trading for C.C.

  11. JAY June 16th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    10 weeks means see you when pitchers and catchers report spring 2009.

  12. S.A.- No pain..no gain June 16th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    MotherFreaking(!@!^@E&^&!^@E*^!*^E*!

  13. TurnTwo June 16th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    CC, come on down!

  14. Joe- Albany June 16th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Not good at all……..

  15. Mathew June 16th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    So which minor leaguers/major leaguers do we give to Cleveland for 3 months of CC?

  16. Confucius June 16th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Hopefully my post won’t be eaten on this page…

    “Well now that its certain anyone against trading for C.C.”

    Yes. We didn’t trade valued prospects for JOHAN SANTANA. Despite the opinions of people on this blog who think Sabathia is a LEET DOMINATING ACE~, Sabathia is less than Santana by a safe mile. We look like something between blindly desperate and galactically stupid if we now treat Sabathia like greater royalty than Santana. Agree with Cashman’s plan or not, he married himself to it this Winter; you can’t agree with divorcing from it now for a far inferior pitcher, even if Wang, Mussina, AND Joba are hurt.

    And if you think we’re trading for Sabathia, then letting him walk at the end of the season, you must be smoking something. The Indians will want arguably more than the Twins wanted for Santana. It’s a mid-season trade, it will be hard for them to believe or to convince their fanbase that they’re out of contention, and they will sense our desperation. That’s to say nothing of the other teams involved. We will have to GUT our farm to bring him here. Once we do that, there is no way in hell we consider turning him into a couple of draft picks, no matter how badly he might pitch the rest of the season. When do the Yankees EVER do business like that? We’ll tie him up with a huge contract as soon as he arrives, and his agent isn’t going to settle for anything less than a free agency deal. As soon as Sabathia gets that kind of security, you can forget about him keeping himself in shape.

    Of course the deal’s going to happen. I knew as soon as we passed on Santana (despite bringing Clemens, Igawa, Brown, Pavano, and on and on and on to this team in prior years), that Sabathia would be a Yankee in a year. The only time this team ever decides to develop prudence toward the payroll and/or the youth, it’s with a player that they should acquire at any cost. Then when they realize what a mistake they made, the prudence disappears, and they end up with another bad contract and more gaping holes in their farm.

    If we include Betances in a Sabathia deal, mark my words: in three years, Carmona and Betances will be a force at the top of the Tribe’s rotation, and Sabathia will be 350 pounds and getting booed off the Stadium mound every start. You’ll see a hundred insane trade proposals on this blog every day (“Phils dangling Howard!!! think they’d be interested in Safattya???”) that will be summarily shot down (“maybe if we eat 85% of his contract”). We’ll long for the days when Pavano was our biggest embarrassment. Mark the words of Confucius.

  17. CaptainsCorner June 16th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Cashman must be happy now that he didn’t give Wang an extension when he asked for one. It is his own fault that he got hurt. He wasn’t smart enough to know to take it slow on the bases. Pettitte and Mussina and any veteran would of used there brains and been more careful. Not to say that a freak injury can’t happen but Wang was flying around 2nd base not running like a pitcher. What an idiot. He cost them in last years post season and obviously now this season is over.

  18. Dean June 16th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Do you really think the Indians would request Cano for Sabathia, a rental player. I highly doubt that. The Yankees will have to make a move for him. But it will come from the farm system.

  19. Anyone but Farnsworth June 16th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    I am not in favor for C.C, I am more inclined for a trade for Ben Sheets, or Jake Peavy( not sure if this is possible)

  20. Bill June 16th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    All,

    We all knew the news was bad. Lets just solve this internally and not make rash decisions…ie…C.C. He is not the solution.

    I heard saw some of you saying, we can get the picks if C.C. leaves for FA…Thats a rental this team cannot afford. The Indians will want a HUGE pack. Start Cano, like Pete said.

    Lets solve this internally….

    Think Giese, or McCutchen

  21. Adam June 16th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Get. Sam. Militello.

    Kidding, but the only way we contend in 2008 is to get some veteran pitching. No way any farm guys are gonna get us in to the post season this year. I’d love to see Randy Wolf in pinstripes.

  22. kei igawa's sunglasses June 16th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    im never going to run again.

  23. Oh Boy! June 16th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Wow. What that means is that he’s out for at least 3 months. Who knows if Wang’s first major league start after this injury, will be in the playoffs. Now that’s just to say IF we make the playoffs.

    We need Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy back more than ever, and we need them to pull their weight.

    This sucks.

  24. mel June 16th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Not good at all, but it’s not season ending or career ending like some bozos were trying to lead us to believe.

    Should be an interesting couple of days as the rumors start to fly.

    Gammons will declare the Yankee season dead. Cashman will swoop in and grab us some C.C. And life will go on.

    Good thing it’s an off day. Give the guys a chance to absorb the news and come out fighting tomorrow.

  25. El Maestro June 16th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    The good thing about this is that the yanks will likely solve from within. CC is no longer the option.

  26. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Giese or McCutchen do not equal CMW what a tragic loss I say we sell at the TD and work on 9 when Wanger and Hughes are healthy.

  27. Confucius June 16th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Hello? Hello? Testing, testing? Am I able to post -anything- at all here?

  28. Anyone but Farnsworth June 16th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Where would 10 weeks take us too. August?? I say its almost a blessing in a sky.. it makes Wang into a the King of the staff and now the Yanks will try and get the Ace we all have been looking for..

  29. TurnTwo June 16th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    “Think Giese, or McCutchen”

    yup, their production on the mound should just about equal that of Sabathia over a 4 month period.

  30. Rishi June 16th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    good lord – it could be worse, but I was hoping for much better than this

  31. Confucius June 16th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    I give up. This posting system is the Antichrist.

  32. Rob NY June 16th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Don’t think Giese or McCutchen. This team is going to need a #1 to replace the #1 we are losing. A staff with two #3 guys Joba as a #4 and The Ras needs a strike throwing win machine at the top. Not saying get C.C. but the Yanks need a guy who can pitch innings and get big wins. Anybody like that available?

  33. ItalianGreco June 16th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    DAMN….

  34. Oh Boy! June 16th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Dean, the Indians aren’t looking at the trade as C.C. being a rental player. It’s not like they say “Oh, the Yankees will let him go after 3 months, so it’s only fair that we don’t ask for Cano.” That’s ridiculous. They look at the trade as them trading the Cy Young winner, and they will ask for according talent.

  35. Anyone but Farnsworth June 16th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    ANyone know Jake Peavys contract.?

  36. chris June 16th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    damn……

  37. JohnMccabe June 16th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Karma!

    http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pf.....tid=362988

  38. DMan June 16th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Oh boy.

    Time for somebody to step it up big time.

    I’m looking at you Andy Pettitte.

  39. matt frags June 16th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Looks like the decision to make JOBA a starter seems pretty smart now. I think that move is validated.

  40. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (Jose Tabata Supporter 4 Life !!!!) June 16th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    I blame Kim Jones, she jinxed this somehow

  41. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    If the Yanks dont bring in a legit front end guy Yankees Universe will implode like a supernova look for a trade.

  42. Bill June 16th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Turn Two—-

    You cannot sell the farm for C.C. You absolutely cannot. Can CC survive New York????

    You cannot sell the farm for a 4 month rental..

    Think long term not short term

  43. Motown Yankees Fan June 16th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    I don’t think we need a number one to replace him. We just need someone who won’t give up as many runs as the Yankees will score. Who knows, maybe we catch lightening in a bottle again with Giese.

  44. DC June 16th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    What is wrong with Sabathia this year? What would we be willing to give up for him? Remember nobody ever trades fairly with us.

  45. SJ44 June 16th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    Mel,

    That’s a season ending injury for a starting pitcher, IMO. The chances he comes back from this in that time frame is slim. They also won’t risk it with him.

    Its not just the foot injury. He will also have to build up his arm again.

    That’s tough to do when you can’t throw due to the foot injury.

    They will go outside the organization to get somebody at some point. There is no way they are spending the rest of the season with a short rotation. None of their internal options are long term solutions.

    In the short term? You do what you have to do. Long term, there will be CC discussions as well as discussions with other pitchers.

  46. Blargh June 16th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    ….well, crap.

  47. YankeesTech June 16th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    screw CC…. Phil Hughes and others need to be given a shot when they come back.

  48. Joe OD June 16th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Yankees do not need CC Sabathia. Why sacrifice our future for an obese pitcher. It is not smart. If you are going to give up the talent give it up for someone who will have the likelihood of being around longer than five years. I would rather get a guy like Erik Bedard or Jake Peavy.

    I would really like to see the Yankees bite the bullet rather than trade the future away. If they struggle, hopefully we will get to see the young guys develop.

  49. Catherine June 16th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Yankees just can’t get a break.

  50. happyathome June 16th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Oh this is not good news…..please do not bring Igawa up!

  51. Joe from Long Island June 16th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    So, Wang is in cast through July, at least, then a month to get his arm back in shape…Maybe back in the rotation after Labor Day. Which would make him a nice additiion for the stretch run (I know, I’m looking for silver linings, but at this point, what else are you going to do?).

    Long term, maybe a trade (CC?). But short term, it is an opportunity for someone to step up and show what they can do. Remember a couple of years ago, when Matsui and Sheffield went down within days? Melky Cabrera, who had been chased out the previous season, came up big time.

    In any case, I don’t think anyone on the team is crying about it or writing the season off. Nor should we.

  52. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Finding a bridge and buying some rope.

  53. Tim June 16th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    I say give them Tabata, Horne and Kennedy for CC. None of this “it will start with Cano”, garbage, those 3 and maybe throw in a Snyder or an Alberto Gonzalez, etc should get it done. I would even swap out McCutchen or Marquez for Horne and or Kennedy.

  54. Mathew June 16th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    I’m all for developing young players but this is the FINAL year in Yankee Stadium. Do you really think that the “Bosses” are not going to do anything? Allowing Giese and McCutchen would be ok if we were Florida or Washington!

  55. BBB June 16th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    god $#^#&$#!!!!! this absolutely BLOWS. and just when he had regained his mojo and the team was really starting to roll, too. gaaaaaahhhh!!!! I so wanna break something right now :(

    But the Yanks still have to find a way to win these games. It seems apropos that right now I am reminded of Mariano Duncan’s wise words in ’96: “we play today, we win today, dats it!”

    Except that we don’t actually play today, haha. But tomorrow and every other day, that is the credo to live by. I believe in this team and their ability to triumph through adversity.

  56. raymagnetic ®™ June 16th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    “Cashman must be happy now that he didn’t give Wang an extension when he asked for one. It is his own fault that he got hurt. He wasn’t smart enough to know to take it slow on the bases. Pettitte and Mussina and any veteran would of used there brains and been more careful. Not to say that a freak injury can’t happen but Wang was flying around 2nd base not running like a pitcher. What an idiot. He cost them in last years post season and obviously now this season is over.”

    Please tell me this means you will relieve yourself from the Lohud Blog at least until next season.

    Losing Wang hurts but it’s definitely not the end of the world.

  57. S.A.- No pain..no gain June 16th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    We will survive this..

    I hope :|

  58. TurnTwo June 16th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    “You cannot sell the farm for C.C. You absolutely cannot. Can CC survive New York????”

    who said you have to sell the farm?

    noones advocating that. but there is a reasonable deal to be made, where a middle ground can be found that will make both sides happy.

  59. Wiggum Fan June 16th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Healing and coming back at 100% is the key. Last thing anyone needs is Wang hurting his arm by compensating for his push-off foot trying to rush back for September.

    I would gladly miss the playoffs this year for 5 – 7 more years of a healthy Wang.

  60. Tom June 16th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Giese is not an option for this type of role. They may give him a start next weekend because they have to; but beyond that, he’s not the answer.

    McCutchen isn’t ready yet.

  61. al arodien June 16th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    guys this could of been much worser thanks god only 6 weeks . well i belive it will take atleast 3 months that means he will be back in september! OUCH!! damm iterleage baseball!!!

  62. Tiki June 16th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    I hope I’m wrong but this is bad – really bad – not just for the Yankees this year but for Wang for a long time. I would guess he’ll be getting more opinions from an assortment of doctors – this isn’t always a foot in boot for 6 weeks and then reconditioning injury; this is most often a surgical situation – a very painful one. It’s also something that (if surgery is needed) needs to be done ASAP. I really hope he has someone taking care of him. What good will it do to have him come back to pitch in the (much hoped for) playoffs only to set him back for his career.
    This needs to be handled right by the Yankees – I don’t think Bruney was handled correctly and we’re all seeing what the press has done to the Mets over their treatment of Church.
    Bottom line – we haven’t heard the end of this situation yet. Wang “belongs” to the Yankees, he’s a young kid, hasn’t made millions like some other injured players, he’s in a foreign country, and deserves to be treated well.

  63. Joel June 16th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Don’t worry. It won’t change the # of poor market bad relievers who feed you game winning homers. You’ll be fine. Just steal more stars and continue to hurt the game with greed and selfish need to win at all times.

    Giambi has enough hgh to carry you until at least August. It’s all good.

  64. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Phil Hughes wont be back til labor day too we need another option.

  65. Jon G June 16th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Peronial longus is a relatively rare injury, but sounds like it’s better that this was the grade II rather than lisfrank: http://www.myfootshop.com/deta.....%20Rupture

    Everybody relax – it’s all part of the season, and this is how we find new pitchers. Remember – an injury is how we found Wang!

    We have 6 weeks till the deadline to see if any of the kids step up or we need to make a trade. If we need to make a trade, we have the chips to make it happen.

    I’m of course rooting for the internal options, but trust Cashman to keep his cool and make the right deal if it’s offered!

  66. Don Vito A. Bellamo June 16th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Sign CC and Tex now….Do it !!!

  67. Tim June 16th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Remember you have to pay something to get something, even if they rent CC for 3 months they get 2 #1′s in the June draft next year if he bolts after 08.

  68. raymagnetic ®™ June 16th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    “Karma!”

    Yes, Wang is paying for the sins of a forum poster. Totally makes sense to me.

  69. Bryan (Yankees fan) June 16th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    I knew he had a Lisfranc sprain when it happened… I prayed I was wrong but it didn’t work

    WTF

  70. Tom June 16th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    “Yankees do not need CC Sabathia. Why sacrifice our future for an obese pitcher. It is not smart. If you are going to give up the talent give it up for someone who will have the likelihood of being around longer than five years. I would rather get a guy like Erik Bedard or Jake Peavy.”

    There is no evidence that obese pitchers break down any more than skinny ones.

    To be exact, Bedard has broken down much more often than Sabathia ever has.

  71. matt frags June 16th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    (1) Rich Harden (NASTY… best SP out there)

    (2) Randy Wolfe (best of the so-so chump group)

    (3) Zach Grienke (we drafted his buddy)

    (OR) Just go with the farm… Let’s face it… we’re only talking about 18 games right? Yanks will just have to step up…

    We get Ian Kennedy back in a week or so… Phil Hughes in a month… FIRST, we give Geise, that Mexican pitcher (Aceves?), then Mccutchen a shot… Let Ian try to win his spot back, then… give Hughes his chance again.

    SO… I could understand getting WOLFE… CASH knows Towers… he might come cheap. FINE.

    NOW… if I’m trading prospects… I only do it for Rich Harden. Simple as that. He is NASTY. RIGHT NOW, Yanks have to assume the injury risk. IF it takes 2-3 kids… Harden is the only one I shoot for.

    OR… I just go with the farm and hope for the best. IF I have to… I make a move at the deadline.

  72. Pokey June 16th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Sheets is in the last year of his deal and has been almost lights out so far. He does have a limited no trade clause with only 8 teams he can be traded to without a waiver needed. But, he does have an injury history and the Brewers will require a hefty package for essentially a half season rental.

    Freddie Garcia, welcome to your audition!

  73. bronxbomber77 June 16th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Paging Dr. Sabathia…. Dr. Sabathia needed in the Bronx….

    SJ said this in the last post, and I just wanted to repeat it. A great line, IMHO:

    “What if you get him, he helps you win, and he and the Yankees decide this isn’t the best place for him? You get 2 draft picks, you win, AND save 100+ million bucks.”

    Great idea. Especially if they can trade Melky, Kennedy and Horne/Betances for CC and Dellucci.

    That way, if at season’s end, he’s won it all for NYY, and everyone loves eachother, they can lock him up long term. And if they fail and he hates it there, a la Pavano, he can bail and the NYY get two draft picks in return.

    Testing the waters, so to speak. I like it.

  74. mmx June 16th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    This is really bad, bad news.

    Though I like C.C. yet I’m still not sure going for C.C. at this time. His price will jump quite a bit.

  75. SJ44 June 16th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Nobody is advocating giving up the farm.

    Please, enough with the CC fat jokes. You sound foolish.

    The guy is a better pitcher than anybody in the Yankees rotation.

    Guess what? If the Yankees can make a deal they can live with, they will get him, regardless of how much he weighs.

    The guy can flat out pitch.

    I’m not saying he’s the only option. Make no mistake though, he’s an option, regardless of his weight.

  76. Jay June 16th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    You cant get 19 wins from young pitching. Hughes isnt coming back till august! We need to trade to get someeone, at this moment andy pettite is in the #1 slot. Wang has been the most productive pitcher in the majors the last 3 years, posting 19 wins every season. We have to make a trade to get CC. I dont think IPK is gonna be amazing this season, especially how inconsistent hes been. Rasner could fall apart at any moment. We have to get someone

  77. frankiedue June 16th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    who knew joba would be the yankees ace this soon

  78. S.o.S.27 June 16th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    I think we should give Horne a shot. I like the Sheets idea as well.

  79. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Yankees in 09! This year wasnt meant to be too many injuries Jeter will get to sit on his couch for October that hurts but life goes on.

  80. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 16th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Thank G-d the Yankees transitioned Joba when they did…

  81. Tom June 16th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    @CaptainsCorner – You must be joking. Anyone who ever played a team sport would run the bases as hard as he can in that situation – to score the run for your team. As if he or anyone else is thinking “man, i might hurt myself while running…”

    I just can’t believe how result-orientated some baseball fans think. “Oh he hurt himself – its his fault, no girardis, no meachems… blablabla” It’s neither, he could hurt himself while getting of the plane. Well then it might be the airlines fault. It’s just pure bad luck.

  82. CaptainsCorner June 16th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    If the Yanks would not trade for Santana they will NOT trade for CC. Especially since he will 99% be a free agent after this year. If they want him then they will sign him after the season there is no reason to trade for him. It doesn’t make any sense to that, it is not like this team is built to win a championship this year. Also does anyone not think that Shapiro will not try to take the Yanks for everything they have??!! The Yanks will just bring up someone from AAA. Marquez or Horne? They know that Igawa can’t get major leaguers out. He will not be given a chance!!!

  83. raymagnetic ®™ June 16th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    “Remember nobody ever trades fairly with us.”

    Yeah, the Phillies surely raked Cashman over the coals for Abreu.

  84. Wander June 16th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Well that pretty much kills the season for us. The only hope we have would be a trade for CC who shows up in NY and is fantastic (not that likely), or our farm system wonders show up and save the season (even less likely).

    Just when it looked like the pieces were coming together it all crumbles like that.

  85. stuart June 16th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    yeah give Cleveland 6 guys… what the hell give them 9.. be real..

    PAss on CC, to expensive…

  86. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (Jose Tabata Supporter 4 Life !!!!) June 16th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    TAKE YOUR SHOTS !

  87. gayle June 16th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    10 seconds into the Yankees conversation and there goes Arroyo lol

  88. Igawa's buck teeth June 16th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    wow this season is over

  89. DMan June 16th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    I feel like Kennedy can hold his own, but he’s got to be another 2 or 3 weeks off… Yankees have to be sure he’s ok.

  90. Don Vito A. Bellamo June 16th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    ” who knew joba would be the yankees ace this soon ”
    .
    I did. :-)

  91. Tom #2 June 16th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Sorry, the @captainscorner posting is not by the Tom posting some other comments. It’s by me… Tom#2.

  92. YankeesLuv June 16th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    As Nancy Kerrigan once said…Whhhhyyyyyy? :(

    Huge Loss.
    Yankees must not panic though and make a ridiculous trade.

  93. mel June 16th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    SJ44,

    Of course I defer to you, but it sounds like Wang will be back in action this season. The degree of the injury must not be as severe as Bruney, who got injured a long time ago and whose prognosis was that he would be out for the season. (And Bruney is throwing from a chair. ahem-CMW)

  94. raymagnetic ®™ June 16th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    “I would rather get a guy like Erik Bedard or Jake Peavy.”

    None of them are better than Sabathia.

  95. Igawa's buck teeth June 16th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Why does this always happen to the Yankees. This team can never stay healthy is a joke

  96. Pierce - 2008 Best Actress Academy Award June 16th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Wow. This is a tough one to deal with. He will be missed greatly in the Yankee rotation. I wonder how many phone calls are being made right now by Cashman.

  97. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (Jose Tabata Supporter 4 Life !!!!) June 16th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    SHOT #2 ALERT !

  98. S.A.- No pain..no gain June 16th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    lol..
    Arroyo

  99. MikeEff June 16th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    ARROYO SIGHTING 3:12 PM

  100. Frank Discussion June 16th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    Wow, I was hoping for better news but it could be worse. I don’t see any viable long term solutions internally. That being said, I hope Cashman doesn’t hit the panic button and undertake any rash moves.

  101. LadyBug626 June 16th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    the ONLY way I do a deal for CC is if they take either Matsui or Damon. I don’t want to give up youth for a guy that will be a FA after this season.

  102. S.o.S.27 June 16th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Folks how about Penny in L.A.? They are struggling and i believe hes in his last year of the contract.

  103. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Football anyone? cant wait for training camp.

  104. S.A.- No pain..no gain June 16th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Glad to see the Bronson Arroyo drinking game is on! ;)

  105. DMan June 16th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Yikes…

    Ok well, let’s assume it’s 18 starts he misses.

    18 games that we need to somehow fill in…

    Lets just truse that the Yankees brain trust is working hard somewhere evaluating and figuring out their options.

  106. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (Jose Tabata Supporter 4 Life !!!!) June 16th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    If your playing the Arroyo WFAN shots game it is now 2 shots as of 3:13 P.M.

  107. Anthony June 16th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    God I think Mike Franscea is smoking some serious stuff for keep recommending the Yankees sign Bronson Arroyo.

  108. Frank Discussion June 16th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Regards Bedard, he might come a bit cheaper then Sabathia, but he always seems a bit injury prone. No need to go down that road again.

  109. TurnTwo June 16th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    how can anyone say Sabathia will be too expensive? noone here has any clue what the Indians will want in return for Sabathia.

    we can all guess, but until a deal is made, its all speculation.

  110. Wiggum Fan June 16th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Tom -
    It is the airlines fault…Wang had to carry his own bags due to rising fuel costs as he did not want to check the second bag at $20. To protect his pitching arm, he carried the bags with his left arm. This, created an muscle imbalance in his foot. When he hit the third base bag, this imbalance caused him to unevenly step on the base, thereby rupturing a piece of the body know one knows how to spell without rechecking the original PeteAbe post.

  111. tcsports (also known as kid) June 16th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    We all knew the news was bad. Lets just solve this internally and not make rash decisions…ie…C.C. He is not the solution.

    The Yankees should not panic. Go from inside first. If things don’t work then think about the outside. The one I feel bad for? Wang. He’s the one who has really on fire. He didn’t ask for an injury.

  112. 213 Area Code June 16th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    NUTS!

  113. BBB June 16th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    well, I guess there’s one positive aspect of this horrendous news: at least nobody has brought up the idea of trading for Joe Blanton yet. lol.

    And yes, thank the good Lord the Yanks transitioned Joba to the rotation when they did. Because it’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility that HE could be the one to step up and take Wang’s place as the best pitcher in the rotation, is it? Of course we can’t assume that he will or expect him to carry that load, that would be unfair pressure for such a young player. But he is a very talented pitcher and I wouldn’t be shocked at all to see him rise to the occasion.

  114. mel June 16th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Rocco feeling good about his second shot…Tiger from the fairway bunker puts his second shot 8 feet closer to the hole.

  115. YankeesTech June 16th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    The idea is to get the foot fully healed then start the throwing program. I don’t think he will be pitching with a unhealed foot lol.

  116. FergsKU June 16th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Let’s not forget something here. The Yankees are not exactly running away with the division. I could agree with giving up a legit package for CC, if they were in a better spot. But the team was barely hanging on with a healthy Wang. Would it really be worth giving up the farm only to miss the playoffs.

  117. Roy White June 16th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    He cares what it costs (in money) to get CC. The Yanks win when they outspend.

  118. Pocono Chris June 16th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Regarding Penny, I believe he is going for an MRI today on his shoulder.

  119. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    I dont understand how everyone is saying that this is not the worst case scenario he is out for the year that was the worst case scenario! Get C.C. or Yankee stadium will be dark in August. I got tix for a game in July if Giese is starting Im putting those tickets on stubhub.

  120. Jay June 16th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    People recommend Bronson because He has pitched some big games in the playoffs for the red sox so we know he can handle media and the NY pressure.

  121. raymagnetic ®™ June 16th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    “Don’t worry. It won’t change the # of poor market bad relievers who feed you game winning homers. You’ll be fine. Just steal more stars and continue to hurt the game with greed and selfish need to win at all times.

    Giambi has enough hgh to carry you until at least August. It’s all good.”

    I’ll try to spell this out as slowly as possible while using very short vocabulary words so you will understand:

    Think and then type. Understand? Think and then type.

    You will probably start making some sort of sense if you try the above.

  122. manny(yanks fan) June 16th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    I think there are gona be some big movements from the Yankees in the next month or so…in my opinion

  123. yclept June 16th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    “If the Yanks would not trade for Santana they will NOT trade for CC. Especially since he will 99% be a free agent after this year. If they want him then they will sign him after the season there is no reason to trade for him. It doesn’t make any sense to that, it is not like this team is built to win a championship this year. Also does anyone not think that Shapiro will not try to take the Yanks for everything they have??!! The Yanks will just bring up someone from AAA. Marquez or Horne? They know that Igawa can’t get major leaguers out. He will not be given a chance!!!”
    ———————————–
    It’s never good timing for a Wang to get hurt; but this is the WORST possible timing. Horne is still stretching out his arm after his injury. Marquez is currently working on pitches in Scranton (his slider) and should not be touched by the Yankees until 2009.
    As for CC vs. Santana, timing is everything. If Wang blew out his shoulder throwing baseballs against a wall in December, Santana would be a Yankee right now in all likelihood. Now that Wang is lost for perhaps the rest of the year, there is a major void. That void cannot be currently filled by any available talent in their system without rushing someone.

  124. TurnTwo June 16th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    “But the team was barely hanging on with a healthy Wang.”

    they are now just catching their stride, and are only 4 games back in the loss column with 3+ months to go.

    you dont think this team is capable of making that up?

  125. SJ44 June 16th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Mel,

    Never, and I mean never, trust the Yankees when it comes to injury talk.

    They said Hughes would be out a month. He’s going to miss 3 months.

    They said Bruney had “no structural damage”. He had EXTENSIVE structural damage.

    There is a good reason why they gave this “optimistic” report on Wang.

    By saying its not season ending, you don’t show teams you are desperate for pitching help.

    It isn’t CC or bust but, they will have to go get somebody to fill that spot eventually.

    Maybe a guy like Gil Meche if the Royals want to move him.

    Either way, its going to be somebody.

  126. wise patrick June 16th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    yooo chill indians gm shapiro will have limited trading partners. not too many teams have the money to get a contract extension done therefore the yankees will have leverage. cashman is the man and has forgotten more about baseball than all us know.

  127. tcsports (also known as kid) June 16th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    When Wang comes back do you sell the new pitcher (big name pitcher you sell the farm for) to someone else? Lock him inside a locker? Have him killed? Send him to the bullpen? Have one of your other starters killed? Overpay for someone when you already have 4 starters and Hughes and Kennedy somewhere in the wings? Others down below?

    Do you start from inside and wait to see what happens?

  128. raymagnetic ®™ June 16th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    “I knew he had a Lisfranc sprain when it happened… I prayed I was wrong but it didn’t work

    WTF”

    What else do you know great Guru?

  129. Slu June 16th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    People that don’t want CC don’t know anything about baseball.

  130. Yankeefan June 16th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Peter,
    As much as I shouldn’t ask this, what’s the status of Pavano?

  131. hornblower June 16th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    There are too many George Costanzas on this board. The Yankees do not do business like that anymore. Haven’t you noticed?

  132. Vito June 16th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    This wrecks my day. Yanks have had no luck this year. All these injuries suck. Red Sux don’t have to deal with this stuff, if they did they would be in last.

  133. Tim June 16th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Remember though Cleveland is looking at losing Sabathia if they don’t trade him, so they’re in a spot also. If they’re saying we would get 2 #1 round picks in the June draft if we hold on to him, you gotta think that 3 of the following: Kennedy (a #1 round pick), Tabata (who is the #1 or #2 minorleague prospect depending on if you think Montero is #1, in the Yankees org), Betances (who should have been a #1 round pick), Horne, McCutchen, Marquez, Aceves, and maybe a Single A throw in like Suttle/Romine/Snyder or an older throw in like Gonzalez is better than 2 #1 round picks that may take several years to develop.

    You have to sacrifice somebody to get a #1 pitcher like Sabathia and the above names are not untouchable at the same time they are legitimate prospects.

  134. murphydog June 16th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    It’s good and bad. Obviously, the bad news is that it blows up whatever plan management had before this. The injury also douses whatever hopes we the fans had of getting to the playoffs with the team as is, ironically, just as the flicker of life was finally starting to shine on the field.

    The good news – glass half full – is that it makes it easier to justify making a big trade, to move some prospects or even a current starter. The injury creates options that just a few days ago might have been largely unpopular or viewed as excessive.

    Cash could stand pat, but if so, prepare to finish third, or worse, IMO.

  135. raymagnetic ®™ June 16th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    “NOW… if I’m trading prospects… I only do it for Rich Harden. Simple as that. He is NASTY. RIGHT NOW, Yanks have to assume the injury risk. IF it takes 2-3 kids… Harden is the only one I shoot for. ”

    No one is going to take you seriously if you keep telling people this.

  136. yclept June 16th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    “People recommend Bronson because He has pitched some big games in the playoffs for the red sox so we know he can handle media and the NY pressure.”
    —–
    But he isn’t any good. If you are going to dip into Bronson Arroyo, you might as well just stick with what you have.

    You have two options, in my mind:
    1. Stick with what you have;
    2. Get something that is either on par or better than Wang.

    Arroyo doesn’t fit either bill.

  137. YankeesTech June 16th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Trading your top prospects for CC isn’t the way to go. The guys have options in the minors to try out. panicking and going after CC isn’t the solution to the problem. It’s a last resort to this problem.

  138. DMan June 16th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    It’s 18 or so games… Plus the playoffs.

    Thats huge, but we should be able to overcome that.

    It’s bigger than just Wang, we need the rest of the team to step it up to.

  139. Frank Discussion June 16th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Joel wrote “Don’t worry. It won’t change the # of poor market bad relievers who feed you game winning homers. You’ll be fine. Just steal more stars and continue to hurt the game with greed and selfish need to win at all times.

    Giambi has enough hgh to carry you until at least August. It’s all good.”

    Next time try “Hooked on Phonics”, it may make your post remotely legible.

  140. bronxbomber77 June 16th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Ugh Ben Sheets. Ugh Rich Harden. Both are injury prone.

    Go all in:

    CC Sabathia.

    And it won’t take ‘the farm’ to get him. They will exchange lists, and argue over who comes back with Sabathia. There will be untouchables on both sides, I’m sure.

    Would hate to see Hughes, Cano, Joba, Gardner, AJax, Melancon, Betances, Jesus or McAllister go for him.

    If three players from a pool of Melky, Tabata, Kennedy, Horne, McCutchen, etc. could net CC and David Dellucci, go for it, IMHO.

    I agree with SJ44 on this.

  141. EY June 16th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    This REALLY SUCKS. Get well soon Wang.

    Let’s try Giese for a start or two, and give Kennedy a chance when he’s ready. If they don’t work out, compile a list of untouchables (Hughes, Cano) and get CC or someone else.

  142. Pokey June 16th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    penny’s contract has a club option for 2009

  143. Patrick (the good one) June 16th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Sabathia is definitely a consideration now. However, we all know that Cashman will not key in on one guy, he’s going to look at every possibility.

    I’m thinking Ben Sheets is a possibility, he is a legit ace pitcher if he can stay healthy. I don’t think Harden is viable since Beane will fleece us for him. Bronson Arroyo is a possibility too but he’s not even close to Wang so theres no point in wasting prospects for him. Aaron Harang on the other hand would be fantastic but I doubt the Reds would want to trade him. If the Dodgers fall out of contention perhaps Brad Penny?

  144. BBB June 16th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    “Folks how about Penny in L.A.? ”

    This sounds like a potentially good idea. A change of scenery might do him good, and despite his early struggles I wouldn’t give up on his whole season completely. Good pitchers work their way out of those things and Penny is a good pitcher.

    Maybe Cash could do what nomaas suggested in the offseason and dangle a beloved Torre veteran in hopes that he would endorse the deal to the front office…I bet he has a lot of say since he is the first competent manager they’ve had in god knows how long. Only problem is, who’s left on the team that we could trade that Torre loves like that? Viz and Villone are gone and we can’t trade Matsui..

  145. ET2012 June 16th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    This sure is starting to look a lot like the Santana episode. Rumors start circling about this, about that. Eventually, Boston gets in the rumors trying to raise the price for the Yankees. Cleveland starts going back and forth between Boston and the Yankees…In the end, the Yankees back down and keep their young players.

    If the Yankees did not pull the trigger for Santana, no doubt a superior lefthanded ace, why would they do it for Sabathia, who although is a good pitcher, is no ace!

    I say, put in Giese for a month or so; by then, both Hughes and Kennedy should be able to pitch again. Then you go from there.

  146. Jet Li June 16th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Not career ending! Woo hoo.

  147. murphydog June 16th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Arroyo?

    Take your heads out of the ovens and away from the exhaust pipes.

  148. Joe Swartz June 16th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    When did Pete become a Doctor? From “yankees fans pump up the prospects way to much” to “Oppenheimer got a steal with Reich” to his amateur diagnoses of Wang I can’t wait for the day the Journal News gets rid of this hack..

  149. NYSuperFan June 16th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    As if my day couldn’t get any worse!!! Damn!!!!

    Expect Cashman to not sleep from now until this is resolved. Giese will get his shot for a start or two so lets see how he does before we go trading away the farm.

  150. CB June 16th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Very difficult break for the yankees. But they’ll get through this.

    Its a good sign that they are treating Wang’s injury conservatively. Lisfranc injury’s vary a lot in how bad they are and the often require surgery.

    The yankees I’m sure have the best specialists evaluating him and they are not going to do anything shortsighted or stupid with Wang’s health. If he needed surgery they’d send him for it.

    They need another pitcher but they have some options and time to figure it out given that its still 6 weeks from the trade deadline.

    Its still too early to really know what the trade market for pitchers is going to look like. Shapiro is going to have to balance what the expected returns for CC are and how they may diminish the longer he waits vs. the Indians chances at the wild card.

    Either way he is not going to trade CC quickly. Same thing for other veteran starters. Don’t know if any are going to get moved before July.

    So for the near term future the yankees are going to have to look internally for options.

    I’d like to see what Alan Horne can do. He’s 25 – much older than Hughes or Kennedy. He also has the kind of fastball that projects to the major leagues and throws 4 pitches.

    The yankees aren’t going to make any panic moves. They have internal depth and this season is making them use just about all of it. But they still have a progression of options to move through before the trade deadline.

    They don’t necessarily need a “#1″ starter in the short term. They just need another pitcher how can give them decent innings.

    And just as importantly they need to offense to produce up to their full capabilities on a consistent basis.

  151. bronxbomber77 June 16th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    I’ve been scarred too many times by NL pitchers.

    The only decent NL pitcher (Andy doesn’t count, the majority of his career was in the AL) that has come over to the NYY in recent memory was Cory Lidle.

    IMHO.

    NL pitchers will break your heart every time. Lidle, Unit, Brown, Pavano, Wright….

  152. randy l June 16th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    i can’t get interested in the sabathia talk because it doesn’t seem real.

    i don’t see it happening.

    for one thing, cleveland is not out of the wild card because everyone stinks this year.

    the commitment was made to young pitchers.

    the back up plan was young pitchers.

    so it’s time to run the plan.

    if it doesn’t work , fire cashman’s butt and get a better plan for next time.

    it’s time for cashman to put up or shut up.

    he wanted to do it this way, so do it.

  153. Wander June 16th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Yeah, for anyone comparing the Santana situation to this situation, it’s completely different now. We’ve lost our #1 starter. We don’t have an ace.

    We’ve seen that Kennedy isn’t tough enough at this point to be effective in the majors, Hughes can’t do anything for us either right now, and Chamberlain is still trying to get his game sorted out. Does anyone actually believe the rest of our farm system will really be able to fill Wang’s shoes? The answer is a simple no.

    Santana was a luxury that we passed on, C.C. is looking like a necessity now.

  154. EY June 16th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    I’m not so sure about Penny. Isn’t he having some shoulder issues?

  155. infiltr8or June 16th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    sweet!

    Go Red Sox!

  156. TurnTwo June 16th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    BB77, exactly. like i said earlier, either go for it all, or dont bother.

  157. al arodien June 16th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    i think the yakees should convert A-rod to a pitcher and get another 3rd baseman!! he should hit and pitch! he has a 95 mph fastball …. lol! if the yanks dont get any good pitcher the 08 season is OVER! OVER MEANS OVER!

  158. S.o.S.27 June 16th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Why are people writing this year off already? Wang is a hell of a pitcher but he had an era over 4 this year. If Giese or anyone else can step up and give us an era around 4.5. We will be just fine. We dont need to trade for an Ace to have a good year. Our starters have stepped up this past week and our hitting as well. Just need a pitcher to keep us in games.

  159. mark June 16th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    darn

  160. 89 June 16th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Hands down.. I think the best solution here is to go after Freddy Garcia.

    CC is going to require too much, and let’s face it .. this isn’t an injury that will effect Wang’s pitching in the future.

    If this wasnt the last season for Yankee Stadium, the situation would be almost acceptable for the Yankees to ride the farm guys out…but making the playoffs is more important this year than most (believe it or not…the Yankees will make more money in this postseason than in any other…Yanks just have to make it first)

    Good news: Joba is almost stretched out properly. Hughes is a few weeks away (okay, maybe a month), and there are arms in the minors.

    Kennedy — I’m not sold on at all. Igawa? I don’t even know.

  161. Russell NY June 16th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    “sweet!

    Go Red Sox!”

    Please leave.

  162. Yanksrule57 June 16th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Wow, the panic by so many of you is amazing.

    Get CC, Get Bedard, Get Peavy! Peavy? Like SD is going to give up their ace because the Yanks lost theirs. Give me a break.
    Oh yeah I forgot SD wanted Igawa last year maybe they will take him. Unbelievable.

    Maybe if we all take a deep breath we will see that the team has many options internally. Just be patient.

  163. bronxbomber77 June 16th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    I do hate trades though, as GM’s always try to bend Cashman over a barrel.

    The guys at “It Is” wrote this, thought it was put perfectly:

    “Arizona says it will trade Curt Schilling. They tell us it’ll cost Alphonso Soriano, Nick Johnson and an everyday player. Then they gift him to Boston for a case of Sam Adams and a presciption of Viagra.”

    LOL… So true.

    Add Santana to that list!

  164. murphydog June 16th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    “I say, put in Giese for a month or so; by then, both Hughes and Kennedy should be able to pitch again. Then you go from there.”

    It might be the way they choose to go in order to come out fresh and ready next year, but IMO journeyman minor leaguer Giese will get absolutely hammered and Phil and IPK are going to continue to pitch like the girl with the strawberry curl – don’t expect anything special as they are jut gaining experience.

    IMO the Yanks either get CC or they can start making golf reservations for October.

  165. bphill June 16th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    tear, tear

  166. BBB June 16th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    “Aaron Harang on the other hand would be fantastic but I doubt the Reds would want to trade him.”

    Patrick: I had hoped for Harang too, but just looked up his contract and he is signed for a few more years. (thru 2011? I think) I don’t think the Reds need to dump off his salary, and they won’t trade their rotation-anchoring veteran just as they are starting to build a good pitching staff and lineup around him. Damn.

    Would Erik Bedard be so impossible or such a bad idea? I don’t think Bavasi would demand the same kind of return Shapiro would on CC, nor does Seattle seem to be anywhere NEAR as astute as Cleveland with respect to evaluating young talent.
    Plus, Seattle doesnt need a 2b…or if they did want Cano they could send us a decent 2b back in Lopez.

  167. Jro June 16th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    “It’s clear that the yankees HAVE to go out and trade for a pitcher” -Mike+Mad dog

    I bet that something happens TONIGHT.

  168. al arodien June 16th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    OF COURSE WE PANIC 3 OF OUR STARTERS ARE ON THE DL!!

  169. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 16th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Uh, did the MAriners just fire Bavasi?

  170. Jessica June 16th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Damn it.. the very dependable Jeter could not hit into a double play!!!! What a time for him to get a single.

  171. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 16th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Uh yes, yes they did

    Mariners fire Bavasi

  172. Russell NY June 16th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    We still don’t necessarily have a bad rotation. Lets think about all the times in the past that we thought an injury was going to sink us then look at the Cano’s, Wang’s, Melky’s.

    We will definitely be fine. We still have 3 plus pitchers in Pettitte, Moose, and Joba. Rasner got knocked around in his last start but it was really only that one inning. Now we will see the big name kids come up and make an impact. I say give Giese a shot first. Then McCutchen. Then pick another one guy from the farm.

    THEN, AND ONLY THEN, DO YOU GO TO KARSTENS, IPK, IGAWA, TO FILL THE VOID.

    I will not be happy if Karstens comes up for a shot before Giese or McCutchen.

  173. V June 16th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    “Uh, did the MAriners just fire Bavasi?”

    Yup. Makes a Bedard trade more likely. He’d probably be more expensive than CC though, and I’d rather have CC.

  174. bphill June 16th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    nothing will happen tonight,

  175. raymagnetic ®™ June 16th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    “They don’t necessarily need a “#1″ starter in the short term. They just need another pitcher how can give them decent innings.

    And just as importantly they need to offense to produce up to their full capabilities on a consistent basis.”

    This is exactly my thinking CB. The Yankees look like the offense is awake. If they can get a league average starter they should be fine.

  176. gayle June 16th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Yes Rebecca he is out.Not a great year for him between his father, his team and now this

  177. murphydog June 16th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    No Bedard. Bad attitude. Bad hip. Would not be able to handle NY.

  178. BBB June 16th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    “for one thing, cleveland is not out of the wild card because everyone stinks this year.”

    They’re not out yet, but they just lost Victor Martinez for at least 2 months. That’s their most consistent offensive performer by far and the guy who plays the most important position on the team. Pronk’s given them next to nothing, Westbrook is out for the season, Carmona’s on the DL and was a WHIP nightmare even when healthy, their entire bullpen has been awful all year. I think they prob. are thinking it’s time to cut their losses and get ready for next year.

    Although Seattle should be thinking the same thing which is why I say at least look into Bedard.

  179. Patrick (the good one) June 16th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    “Uh yes, yes they did

    Mariners fire Bavasi”

    Too bad, he was an awful GM.

  180. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    I agree everyone who dislikes Sabathia is not really attentive you can knock him for being heavy but he is seriously productive. He throws 7-8 innings nearly every time out and occasionally he throws a CG. How many pitchers in this day and age go consistently deep in games. I can count them on one hand Halladay,Webb,Wang(pre injury) and C.C. thats about it 4 or 5 guys who go deep into games on a regular basis. Next year when Pettitte retires who takes over his 180-200 IP Joba cant Phil franchise cant and IPK cant so everyone who is devoted to the farm consider the ramifications of relying on guys who have pitch limits and innings limits thats not a recipe for success. This season is already lost but 09 should not suffer as well, simply to keep to this pipe dream of a plan of 5 starters under 25 throwing 200 innings its not happening!

  181. Tim June 16th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    There is a huge difference now between the Santana trade and this one,

    1. The Yankees would have had to give up Melky and Hughes.
    2. They would have had to come up with $140 million right then.

    With Sabathia, the Indians don’t need a CF, they need pitching and maybe a corner outfielder and/or trading chips like Tabata.

    I say that Kennedy and Tabata and Horne gets it done with 1 or 2 throw ins. If its a rental the Yankees get 2 #1 round draft picks, if CC does great the Yankees sign him to a long term deal and have a legitimate #1 with Joba and Wang and Hughes for the future.

  182. G. Love June 16th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    I have a weird feeling CC is going to accept a long term extension with Cleveland this week or at least start negotiations with them on one.

    I don’t have any inside info, but I gotta believe that Shapiro is smart enough to go to CC and his agent and tell them they’re going to trade him soon if he doesn’t sign an extension with them.

    If CC doesn’t want to leave Cleveland, he has to agree with them on a cost effective extension, otherwise he’ll be traded soon.

    If he wants to be a Yankee, he just has to sit back and hope Cashman makes a fair offer that gets Shapiro to bite.

    And don’t think for a second that Theo isn’t preparing his lists to counter the Yankees and drag this thing. The longer trade discussions go on, the longer CC isn’t a Yankee.

    It’s in Theo’s best interest to throw up as much static as possible and keep the Yankees without someone to fill Wang’s shoes.

    As for the other options, some of you guys are nuts.

    Sheets isn’t on the market. He’s not available. It’s never been reported Mil is open to dealing him. That team still thinks it has a shot to contend. Forget him.

    Harden is a bigger double whammy. He’s an injury risk on a Pavano scale and he’ll cost a ton in prospects. Forget him.

    Peavey also isn’t available. You’re plucking names out of thin air that aren’t on the market or in many cases won’t be on the market.

    Wang is a crushing blow, but if our GM is up to the task, he can fix this. The minors are stocked with enough talent and in some cases similar talent, that we can absorb a big trade.

    It’s time to see what Cashman is made of. He owes it to his vets to give them the best chance to win.

    The league is wide open this year. We can win. We just need a solid, if not spectacular, replacement for Wang.

    Let’s see what he does.

    I’m pessimistic in him because I don’t think he can handle making the big/fair trade, but let him prove me wrong here.

  183. PJH June 16th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Would Seattle be willing to trade Bedard?

  184. BBB June 16th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    “Uh yes, yes they did

    Mariners fire Bavasi”

    Damn!!! So much for my “Fleece Bavasi” plan lol.

    Well I guess that makes Kenny Williams the worst active GM in the game now, hmmm do the White Sox have anyone they might be looking to trade?

  185. SJ44 June 16th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    Hughes is out until August. He’s not an option. He’s also winless this season. He’s part of the problem, not part of the solution.

    The Padres just signed Peavy to an extension. He’s not going anywhere.

    Eric Bedard is one of the worst teammates in baseball. He also has a chronic hip condition.

    Bill Bavasi also got fired today. Who knows what the new GM will do in Seattle.

    Oswalt? No trade clause, no interest in NY.

    Its a limited market. Sabathia, Meche, maybe guys like Gorzlanny or Zach Duke in Pittsburgh.

    It will be interesting to see where the Yankees go on this one. Tough calls all around.

  186. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (Jose Tabata Supporter 4 Life !!!!) June 16th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    Micheal Kay is campaigning Hughes for Oswalt :roll:

  187. Russell NY June 16th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    “OF COURSE WE PANIC 3 OF OUR STARTERS ARE ON THE DL!!”

    As far as I’m concerned, 1 of our starters is on the DL. Rasner and Giese have been more deserving.

  188. YES June 16th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    :(

  189. Skippy June 16th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    I know I’m in the minority about this, but something about Sabathia makes me uneasy. All the mileage on his arm and the fact that he hasn’t exactly shown himself to be a playoff juggernaut…I don’t know. And I just looked at his numbers vs. the Red Sox. Not that great. Looks like Manny likes to see him. But yes, I realize you could say that about many a pitcher. I think I just feel so burned by so many of the trades and acquisitions lately that I’m just worried about everything. And oh, please, no one NL lifers.

  190. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (Jose Tabata Supporter 4 Life !!!!) June 16th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    Steve Philips about to give his who I will trade for in the next update.

  191. Anyone but Farnsworth June 16th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    This needs to be fixed internally,, or make the trade for JAKE PEAVY!!! JUST coming off an injury, padres are out maybe we can get him for decently low value

  192. Chris (save Jose Tabata!) June 16th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    When Wang comes out of the boot, he will have to strengthen his leg as well as his arm. I don’t think we’ll see him pitch until 2009. Or at least not effectively. The Yankees should try to acquire C.C. Even if they can’t resign them, they would get Cleveland’s 1st draft pick along with a supplemental 1st round pick.

  193. mel June 16th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    One more rotation and that would’ve dropped.

    SJ44, let’s just say that I don’t get personally offended when the team gives misinformation. I’m a big girl, and it’s not like I’m a beat writer.

    I also believe in the FO and the team’s ability to overcome the situation. If we can overcome Jason Giambi’s early season, Robinson Cano, injuries to key players, and disappointing starts from Hughes and Kennedy they can do it.

    If people think it’s over, then just tune in next season. Otherwise, why watch?

    I’m the Pollyanna who can deal with reality. :)

  194. V June 16th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    “I’m pessimistic in him because I don’t think he can handle making the big/fair trade, but let him prove me wrong here.”

    I think he’s perfectly capable of overpaying, which is essentially what it looks like you want him to do for CC.

    A fair deal is definitely feasible. Read SJ44′s posts in the previous thread for some ideas.

    If the Indians want to screw Cashman, he should just hang up and wait.

  195. Matt June 16th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    Wang fortunately is not out for the season, he’ll be back in time for the stretch run. All we have to do is stay within 2-3 games of a spot by then and we get Wang AND Hughes back for September to make a huge run.

    Don’t forget, this team has won 5/6 games. They still have 4 quality starters in their rotation, Bruney will be back soon to bolster the recently strong pen, and their full lineup is on the field. Losing Wang will hurt, but not as much as many think as long as Pettitte carries some of the load and Rasner pitches better again, and if Kennedy comes back and is serviceable, we won’t miss a beat.

    Losing A-Rod and Posada hurt far more than Wang, on defense and offense. We have our full lineup healthy and going and nearly our full pen to pick up the slack on the 5th day now. We’ll be fine.

    I wonder if this injury was caused by his calf problem from earlier. Injuries like this don’t just “happen”, it had to be building and he just aggravated it all at once. I’d think that the mild calf strain made him change his delivery slightly, which would explain his struggles for most of May and his subsequent injury to his foot, which makes sense considering he probably changed the way he pushed off to avoid pain, resulting in injury and balls up in the zone.

  196. Wander June 16th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    If the Yankees want to make it to the playoffs, or win the world series they’ll need a #1 pitcher. If we want to stay a .500 team, then sure, an league average pitcher will do just fine.

  197. S.o.S.27 June 16th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    I think this is the perfect time to blame someone. ITS ALL GIRARDIS FAULT! Those spring trainin wind sprints took its tole on Wangs foot and the obvious cause of his injury. Oh and lets blame Meachum as well. Just because he’s been the scape goat this year. Meachum being Meachum.

  198. G. Love June 16th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    You also all realize the first call Cashman is going to make is to Igawa.

    Get ready for Kei people. Cashman will shove him down our throats until the fans and media run Igawa out of town again.

  199. al arodien June 16th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    i think i could help the yankees;
    1.i have a bad back now
    2.my fastball tops 57 mph
    3.uselly when i run the bases i tweek something but not to much to go on the dl
    4.i could pitch more than 4 innings(doesnt matter how many runs i give up)
    5.i dont slide head first to first base
    6.i am as good as any sucker the yanks will sign the next few days!

  200. The Monk June 16th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Horne isn’t an option for another month — he’s working his own way back from an injury that caused him to lose all of May. McCutchen can’t keep the ball in the yard against AAA hitters thus far, that means if he faces the RedSax he’ll be set up for another Chase Wright moment of infamy. He needs at least another 3-4 starts to prove he can avoid big innings, which dogged him in each of his first four AAA starts.

    You want a step-up guy, then the Yanks should move Alfredo Aceves to AAA and see if he can continue his Joba Jr impression at that level for a month. If he does, then they can slide him to the rotation and see what we have between him, IPK, Giese and Rasner. It’s not like the Yanks haven’t made a big run with a make-shift staff before (2004, with El Duque and Loaiza; 2005, with rookie Wang, Chacon and Aaron Small). It’s certainly possible now that the team has Posada back. Don’t underestimate how much his mere presence improves the team.

    No Cano trade, period. Right now it seems like he can cover 3/4 of the infield by himself (and with Jeter’s weakness to his left, and Giambi’s immobility, Cano almost has to), so if he gets up to .275 by the end of the year, the offense will be very good.

    I don’t think the Indians would trade CC without getting Melancon, Jackson and someone like Jesus Montero — our possible closer in 2011 (also a possible Joba II in the back of the bullpen this year), top outfield prospect and top catching prospect. They won’t want Betances — he’s been shut down for the past three weeks due to shoulder problems and his control is awful.

  201. Russell NY June 16th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    “It will be interesting to see where the Yankees go on this one. Tough calls all around.”

    Yes – but for the first time in a long time do I still feel confident after a big Yankee injury. The Yankees lost Rodriguez, they fell apart. Posada? They fell apart.

    The Yankees have soo much pitching depth in their system that this is a once-every-5-day loss they can afford. If not? Go get a Garcia, Gorzellany, whoever. The Yankees have a big game pitcher in Pettitte, a solid starter in Moose, and Joba has been FANTASTIC and will only get better. Rasner? C’mon, he is outpitching Maine.

  202. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 16th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    SJ: I like the idea of looking to trade with Pittsburgh or Kansas City–they’ve got some pitchers that can fill the role.

  203. tcsports (also known as kid) June 16th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Trading your top prospects for CC isn’t the way to go. The guys have options in the minors to try out. panicking and going after CC isn’t the solution to the problem. It’s a last resort to this problem.

    It will be a last resort. The Yankees are not going to do any external trading. You can see why fans panic though. Fans panic and teams keep their cool. Why would the Yankees go after a starter when they have two waiting in the wings and more possibilities below?

    Teams end up making sense. Fans don’t have to make sense.

  204. CB June 16th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    If the yankees can get a pitcher to throw league average innings in place of Wang and he wins some games with support of the offense it puts the yankees in a much, much better position at the trade deadline.

    If they can slot in a decent guy to fill in for wang over the near term than they at least won’t be desperate.

    They’ll have a need. But they won’t be desperate.

    The trade issues are secondary right now as its still too early for teams to right themselves off for the wild card.

    They need to find a guy internally to fill this void.

    You aren’t going to “replace” a guy like Wang quickly if at all. But you can hope to fill in his spot with acceptable level of performance.

    And once again, this injury points out the importance of depth. You trade for a Santana or even CC and you give up a ton of talent you are putting a lot of risk on that one arm.

    All pitchers are at high risk for injuries. The only way to combat that is to build a deep rotation and have depth in the minors.

    The yankees are in the process of doing that. Wang’s injury is not going to make them completely change this approach.

    I don’t know who is going to join the rotation but I do think the team is going to be OK.

    They may not get someone who will pitch like a “#1″ but they will add a guy who will pitch OK and who will keep them in the game enough to let the offense win.

  205. PJH June 16th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    What do you guys think of Brian Bannister?

  206. bphill June 16th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    Just Bring up Dan Robertson, then I will be happy.

  207. Jake June 16th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    What a bummer. Oh well. Let’s see what Cash can scrape together ala Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon.

  208. chrisA June 16th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    No need to give up the farm. Someone like Blanton would be perfect. Eats up innings and has an era around 4.

  209. farnsworthy June 16th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    why settle for mid-tier crap like sheets and harden? why not go for the big FAT MAN CC SABATHIA! He might be fat but hes better than all of the yankees pitchers right now including wang.

    but i will only trade for him if he agrees to sign a long term deal! offer him santana money!

    cashman cant afford to fold if he wants to keep his job. the yankees are winning and must continue momentum! GOOO

  210. Vito June 16th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Let’s the buy the entire NL.

  211. V June 16th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    “No need to give up the farm. Someone like Blanton would be perfect. Eats up innings and has an era around 4.”

    The As would likely ask more for Blanton than the Indians for CC ;-)

  212. Brent (This Damon Guy's For Real, Huh?) June 16th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    “2. They would have had to come up with $140 million right then.”

    Tim,

    The Yankees wouldn’t have had to come up with 140 million dollars “right then” for Santana. It would have been a multi-year contract. Do you think that the Yankees already gave A-Rod his 275 million dollar check?

  213. al arodien June 16th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    what to you think of this trade. the yanks need pitching the mets need leadership in the clubhouse- trade johhny damon for john maine or mike pelfrey!

  214. bphill June 16th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    *david not dan

  215. Brent (This Damon Guy's For Real, Huh?) June 16th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    i think i could help the yankees;
    1.i have a bad back now
    2.my fastball tops 57 mph
    3.uselly when i run the bases i tweek something but not to much to go on the dl
    4.i could pitch more than 4 innings(doesnt matter how many runs i give up)
    5.i dont slide head first to first base
    6.i am as good as any sucker the yanks will sign the next few days!

    Is it bad that I get kind of angry inside when you post?

  216. Russell NY June 16th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    “What do you guys think of Brian Bannister?”

    The Mets released him so he must be good.

  217. Jason June 16th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Obviously, there are untouchables, but the one of the reasons you build up a great farm system is when something like this happens. They can’t be afraid to trade their pieces away.

  218. MoBoy June 16th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    RAsner and Giese are spot starters.They can replace Hughes and Kennedy but not Wang.

    REmember Mussina been good but he ain’t gonna win 20 games which he never did in he’s carrer and at age 39 I don’t think he can keep it up.

    Sabathia is the Yankees way of making up the mistake of not getting Santana and thinking three rookies with not one year of major league expirence can be in the roataion.

  219. Tim June 16th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Cleveland does not need a CF or a catcher, they have Allstars right now at those positions. They need pitching and good young pitching at that. Whether Betances is shut down right now or not he is still a legitimate top 5 prospect and would be accepted wholeheartedly by the Indians in any deal involving the Yankees. I would include him in discussions if I’m Cash for CC, you know that Horne, McCutchen, maybe Veras, Aceves, Marquez, Kennedy, even Melancon, or Cox would be in the discussions. 2 of them and someone like Tabata and some throw ins gets it done, imo.

  220. Moshe Mandel June 16th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    They can weather this. Look at it this way. Each time through the rotation, they need one win from the duo of Pettitte and mussina, one win from Joba/Ras/whoever replaces Wang, and one game where the offense wins one. .600 baseball puts them at 91 wins, which should be enough for the wildcard.

  221. G. Love June 16th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Blanton would actually cost the farm. Try again.

    You guys are still under the impression that other teams will trade us their good players for cash and Kei Igawa.

    Baseball doesn’t work that way anymore.

    We have to pay fair value for other teams players, otherwise forget it.

    Whatever deal they make will have to hurt. Although I don’t consider losing any minor league talent for a major league replacement as hurting.

    We’re not talking about trading Joba here. We’re talking about guys who aren’t going to make the team until 2010 at the soonest.

    That’s plenty of time to find their replacements.

  222. 27 this year June 16th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    No Randy Wolfe, look at his numbers outside of pitcher park PETCO and then tell me those will be good in the AL. The Padres have good pitching but because their park makes them look good.

    Peavy will not ever be available. He just signed a cheap extension for the Padres cause he likes them. No one is trading Peavy an ace who only costs like 17 mil and the Padres have the money.

  223. Hit for the Cycle June 16th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Al Arodien,
    “what to you think of this trade. the yanks need pitching the mets need leadership in the clubhouse- trade johhny damon for john maine or mike pelfrey!”

    Worst idea in the history of this blog. Ever.

  224. Tim June 16th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Tim,

    The Yankees wouldn’t have had to come up with 140 million dollars “right then” for Santana. It would have been a multi-year contract. Do you think that the Yankees already gave A-Rod his 275 million dollar check?

    I meant a deal for $140m would have had to have been made. I’m not that dense.

  225. BBB June 16th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    “Its a limited market. Sabathia, Meche, maybe guys like Gorzlanny or Zach Duke in Pittsburgh.”

    Zach Duke sucks, but I would absolutely love to have Gorzelanny. Think they would really trade him? Isn’t he cost-controlled for about 3 more years?

  226. al arodien June 16th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    brent- you could get angry inside and outside! just dont brek your computer you will need it to blog back!

  227. David Cone's Labrum June 16th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Anyone consider stretching out Mark Melancon?

  228. 27 this year June 16th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Someone said Tex, no tex for the future. Do we really want first base locked up at 20 mil? No because we lose a flexible position to put old people at and we lock ourselves the same way we did with Giambi. Texiera is exactly like Giambi except better defense. However, Giambi when signed could hit like .330 and have easily 35/100 seasons. We screwed ourselves with that contract adn I dont want the saem with Tex

  229. MJR June 16th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Yanks’ Wang will miss six weeks = Yanks acquire Sabathia from Indians on trading deadline.

  230. S.o.S.27 June 16th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Zach Duke wouldnt be a bad idea. I dont think it would cost us a kings ransom and i could see him pitching at league average. Which again is all we need at this point.

  231. David Cone's Labrum June 16th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Melancon can be stretched out to be available after the All-Star break. Put Robertson in the pen.

  232. 27 this year June 16th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Melancon needs time at AAA and we cant keep rushing minor leaguers because then they do good and then they suck once they get hit around. We need to give Melancon adn others time in the minors, we got to be patient. Not everyone is like Joba and goes through the system in a year and then dominates in teh majors.

  233. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Michael Kay, Kim Jones, Carl Pavano and Kei Igawa for Brandon Webb and Brandon Lyon. I like.

  234. randyhater June 16th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    I wouldn’t worry about ChubbyChecker’s weight. Sure he’s fat and unfocused now but once we give him a huge lifetime deal he’s bound to redouble his efforts and improve his conditioning. At least that’s how it usually works.

    Anyway, I’d be surprised to see Cash move a package of prospects down the stretch of his walk-year. Last thing he wants at the top of his resume is another deal for a big contract that blows up in his face. It suits his personal goals to play out the string with retreads and rookies.

    Somewhere Freddy Garcia’s laughing till he wets his pants.

  235. saucY June 16th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    bah!

    i say the astros should send us someone. oswalt or wandy. this is all their fault, after all…

  236. CB June 16th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    “Whatever deal they make will have to hurt. Although I don’t consider losing any minor league talent for a major league replacement as hurting.”

    So you would have been OK with trading Joba for Teixeira last year?

    That’s who Texas wanted. Joba was pitching in AA at the time I believe. The yankees were desperate for first base help last year – much worse than this year.

    That’s who texas wanted. Put Joba in that deal and Texeira would have been a yankee.

    Same thing about trading Melky and Kennedy for Gagne? I guess they made a mistake there also?

    They don’t need to panic. They just need to win games and see how the trade market develops.

  237. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (Jose Tabata Supporter 4 Life !!!!) June 16th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Melancon can be stretched out to be available after the All-Star break. Put Robertson in the pen.

    Are you for real ?

  238. al arodien June 16th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    hiy for cycle- dont just say a statement like that tell me why you dont like it. damon now has good value and those pitchers are quite good pitchers(i know not the best but they are young and have a little bit experience)

  239. Fredo Corleone June 16th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    “Zach Duke wouldnt be a bad idea. I dont think it would cost us a kings ransom and i could see him pitching at league average.”

    League average, eh. Which league????

    He puts a TON of guys on base. He can survive that in the NL Central. In the AL East? Not so much.

  240. fleas (not always negative) June 16th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Well, this just blows. I was against not getting Santana from the start! We needed him, but that is water under the bridge.. now we have no choice since our hand was just forced. All other teams know how desperate we are now for an Ace.

    The way I see it, we have two choices..

    A) CC
    B) Bedard

    I’d personally go Bedard, Seattle is about to clean house and they will take ‘prospects’ no need to give up Cano..

    Hughes, Horne, Matsui, Tabata, +1 FOR

    Ichiro and Bedard.. I am down.

  241. JohnC June 16th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Don’t expect a trade for a while, if at all. Cashman knows other GMs will look to fleece him even more now. He will try internal options first, like Giese for a start or 2 until Kennedy is ready to come back. Kennedy will get the next shot. I’m sure they will monitor Freddy Garcia as well. They probably wouldn’t make a trade until rigt at the trading deadline, if it makes sense and doesn’t cost them the farm.

  242. S.o.S.27 June 16th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Millwood?

  243. fleas (not always negative) June 16th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    err, Kennedy, Horne, Matsui, Tabata, Cabrera FOR ichiro, bedard.

    yes, this would make me happy

  244. Billy Martin the Designated Driver June 16th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Carl Pavano will be back and he will pitch well.

  245. David Cone's Labrum June 16th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    No Brandon. Reading everyone else’s BS just makes me want to spew some of my own. Everyone here’s tossing around names like Horne, etc., when none of these guys have proved squat yet in the minors. How can we expect anything of these kids at the ML level?

    Just joking along with the rest of the jokers.

  246. bphill June 16th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    CB…that is a great point

  247. TurnTwo June 16th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Brandon, its best to simply ignore posts like that.

    FWIW, Id be all for acquiring Ichiro if we didnt already have 14 OFs.

  248. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Melancon is coming off TJ he cant be messed around with and stretched and unstretched in the same way Joba was. That kid will blow out his arm if the Yanks do that.

  249. playballnyy June 16th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    I will face the truth now, there will be a trade…so what are the realistic ones?

  250. TurnTwo June 16th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    ahh, then my apologies, DCL. hard to figure out sarcasm once and a while.

  251. Tseng June 16th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    I blame Oswalt for not striking Wang out again.

  252. Chris (save Jose Tabata!) June 16th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    Melky, Melancon, Jackson, Horne, Corona, and Romine for C.C. and Rafael Perez

  253. bphill June 16th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    fleas…did you just say trade matsui who is our best hitter right now?

  254. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Ichiro and Bedard I dont think this is playstation it would be nice but unrealistic that trade would kill the farm.

  255. S.o.S.27 June 16th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Derik Lowe? Just throwing names out there and seeing what sticks.

  256. bphill June 16th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    who ever we trade for let’s make sure they don’t fly planes.

  257. The other Todd June 16th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Does anyone know how healthy Garcia is? It seems the Yanks had interest in him in ST.

  258. Real World June 16th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    The Yankees season isn’t done. Remember, the Yankees play softball versus small ball. If any team can get by with mediocre innings from it’s pitchers, it’s the murderer’s row Yankees.

    I just hope the Yankees don’t panic, and make a stupid move. I doubt they’ll be able to make a deal for at least a few weeks time since most teams still have to figure out if they’re buyers or sellers, and more importantly, want to have the benefit of the bidding war that is the trading dealine. The Yanks will have to find an immidiate solution from within. My guess is that Igawa will get another shot since he’s the most ready at this point. McClutchen isn’t ready, Horne is just back from injury, and Kennedy isn’t yet rehabbed. Marquez could be an option, since he’s been pitching well as of late. He’s running a span of 8 ER over his last 31+ IP.

  259. TurnTwo June 16th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    “who ever we trade for let’s make sure they don’t fly planes.”

    comedy = tragedy + time

  260. G. Love June 16th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    CB,

    Joba was a completely different animal. His minor league stats were off the charts and he progressed at a rate that was insane in baseball.

    That said, if the Yankees thought Tex was the answer last year, considering what the Braves gave up, Joba would have been the equivalent. I mean seriously, look at what the Braves paid. It’s comparable to Joba’s value.

    But we’re not talking about trading a Joba right now. I’m sorry, but Hughes, IPK, and the rest of the minor league guys are not in Joba’s class. No one is. Hughes and IPK are not even major league ready. They still have to learn their secondary pitches and learn to throw strikes.

    All of those guys are question marks. Some of them will become major leaugers and some of them won’t. Most of them won’t.

    CC is there and ready to step in and be a big part of the present and hopefully the future.

    You trade guys for players like this. This isn’t trading for an old Randy Johnson. This isn’t trading for Kevin Brown.

    He’s 27, for crying out loud. He’s left handed. He already knows and succeeds in the AL and he just won a Cy Young.

    This is who you move the prospects for. If you don’t, then you sit there and wish and hope they all pan out and frankly, they never do. Ever. It may seem like they do, but there are an awful lot of carcasses of top Yankee prospects littering the minor leagues right now.

  261. Real World June 16th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    If Michael Kay is indeed pushing a Hughes for Oswalt deal, then he’s dumber than I thought. How do people who don’t know sports, get a job to talk about them?

  262. Bronx Bomb Nyc June 16th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Captains Corner,

    You’re a moron for blaming Wang for this unfortunate injury. Either you’re a Wang hater or you’ve never played competitive sports. Wang was trying to do what he was supposed to do in that situation – RUN. He did not get hurt because of a bar room brawl, crashing his Porsche, or by any other truly irresponsible way. He got hurt simply by playing the game. It happens. If you care to remember, a few other key Yankee players have gotten hurt this season and last. By your logic, I suppose it was all their fault as well? Just don’t blame the guy for playing hard and trying to do his best for the team.

  263. mel June 16th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Tiger for birdie to send it to sudden death.

  264. Sara June 16th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    “Why are people writing this year off already? Wang is a hell of a pitcher but he had an era over 4 this year. If Giese or anyone else can step up and give us an era around 4.5. We will be just fine. We dont need to trade for an Ace to have a good year. Our starters have stepped up this past week and our hitting as well. Just need a pitcher to keep us in games.”

    SOS..I totally agree with you on this. Yanks are going to be ok. Even if they use 3 guys to get 18 games they will be ok. They need to concentrate on the pitchers they do have and going out there an playing well. The Yankee brass will make a move…they always do. THink about ALL of the moves made midseason over the years that gave this team a strong 2nd half…Corey Lidle/Bobby Abreu, Shawn Chacon/Aaron Small, Cano/Wang…..Little Stein will give the fans what they think is best. Lets just worry about winning the next 4 games before wangs scheduled start on Saturday!

  265. Ummmmm.... June 16th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Honestly I’m not all that disappointed about this Wang news. If the Yankees can make up 18 starts without him and slip into the postseason, hopefully I don’t have to see him pitch as many big games.

  266. Anyone but Farnsworth June 16th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    I dont think Tiger is making this putt but i would love to be wrong

  267. raymagnetic ®™ June 16th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    “This is who you move the prospects for. If you don’t, then you sit there and wish and hope they all pan out and frankly, they never do. Ever.”

    You do realize that the Yankees nearly traded Wang and Cano for Randy Johnson. How’s that non-trade looking right now?

  268. Chris (save Jose Tabata!) June 16th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    G. Love,

    Well said.

  269. mel June 16th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Anyone,

    I’m glad you were wrong!

  270. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (Jose Tabata Supporter 4 Life !!!!) June 16th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    damn you Rocco :x

  271. JohnC June 16th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Derek Lowe isn’t a bad option. I don’t think they could get Erik Bedard, but how bout Jarrod Washburn or Miguel Batista? They wouldn’t cost that much.

  272. G. Love June 16th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Ray,

    At the time they made that offer Cano was a .270 minor league hitter and Wang was a wild card.

    If the Diamondbacks had accepted that offer, Selig would have come down from his ivory tower and blocked it “in the best interest of the game”.

    And BTW–It would have been a fair deal for that version of the Unit.

    I would have rather had him in 2004. Maybe the curse would still be intact and we’d be playing for our 28th title.

  273. SJ44 June 16th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Ichiro has a no trade clause and is the Mariners biggest drawing card. He sells more season tickets for the Mariners than almost any other player does for their teams in the game. He’s not going anywhere.

    Bedard? If you think Randy Johnson had a bad attitude, he’s Mr. Sunshine compared to Bedard.

    Of all the guys folks will come up with in the coming days, I would bet Bedard is the guy who is the best bet not to be able to handle NY.

    He’s a nightmare. That’s why the Mariners will look to shop him.

    Think about it. They gave up a slew of young talent for him and want to deal him before he completes a season in Seattle. That’s not a good recommendation to me.

  274. Russell NY June 16th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    I don’t know about anyone else but I am thoroughly enjoying M+MD’s commentary on the golf game. They are making my palms sweat and I don’t even like golf.

  275. raymagnetic ®™ June 16th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    “I don’t think they could get Erik Bedard, but how bout Jarrod Washburn or Miguel Batista? ”

    Are you serious?

  276. raymagnetic ®™ June 16th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    G. Love,

    You said prospects never work out. Ever. I just gave you two recents examples of them working out.

  277. Yoggis June 16th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Forget this season, taking it as a rebuilding year. Don’t let Indians squeeze us. P.S. Let all the young pitchers watch the “wang” hurt video.

  278. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Anyone ever consider Aaron Harang last 3 years prior to this year he has been pretty good over 200 K’s under 4 ERA over 200 IP. Cincy is in last place by alot in a good division I think he can be had on the cheap.

  279. mel June 16th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    How about sending someone to manage (no, not Girardi), an outfielder, and some players to replenish the farm to the Mets and get Santana back? Would you like that, Fleas? :)

  280. CB June 16th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    “Joba was a completely different animal. His minor league stats were off the charts and he progressed at a rate that was insane in baseball.”

    The vast majority of yankee fans and people in the media who are right now saying do anything necessary to trade for Sabathia, no matter the cost, had absolutely positively no idea who Joba Chamberlain was at this time last year.

    No idea. None.

    Trading Joba for Tex would have been one of the single worst moves made in franchise history.

    They didn’t make a number of very bad trades over the past few years despite fan and media pressure because they made rational, patient decisions.

    Like not trading Joba for Tex to fill a short term need.

    They’ll find another pitcher. They are going to be ok.

    This isn’t a franchise that needs to make desperation moves any longer.

  281. joe monte June 16th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    m kay is awful and I wish we would get dwayne stats and tony kubek back on the air for yankees games

  282. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 16th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    heh, Sidney Ponson hit waivers.

  283. Laura - Get better soon, Wang! June 16th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    If we trade for CC, we have to make sure we don’t give away the farm because I’m not convinced we’ll be able to sign him to a long term deal. I don’t think CC is NY material. People made fun of me yesterday when I said that. In the end, you will all see that I’m right. I’ve seen interviews with this guy where they were asking him about his future and at no time did I get a “I want to play for the Yankees” vibe. He said flat out that he wants to stay in CLE. CMW being hurt doesn’t change that fact. CLE may deal him to us, but I bet he doesn’t stay longer than that. We should not give away our future (i.e. Cano) for a rental player.

  284. ET2012 June 16th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Trading for CC is not going to happen. Do you think Boston is going to stay put and let the Yanks get Sabathia now that they lost Wang? Forget it! They will raise up the price and make the Yanks pay through their nose like they did with Santana. Boston now knows how to play this game, and they will do it again, and again.

    The only way the Yanks will get Sabathia is through free agency at the end of the year, if that happens. For now they will have to get someone flying under the radar. No matter what, it seems like this year will be a tough one for yankee fans.

  285. John June 16th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    yup, this sums up the last 8 years…frustration!!

  286. bphill June 16th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    is David Robertson a starter? or a reliever?

  287. Laura - Get better soon, Wang! June 16th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Bedard would be an even worse choice. SEA wants to dump him because he doesn’t live, sleep and drink baseball. Try bringing a guy like that to play for the New York Yankees, where not winning a World Series is considered a failure. Yeah, good luck with that one.

  288. Rob NY June 16th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    http://ballsiest.com/sportsblo.....bathia.jpg

  289. CB June 16th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    bphill,

    Robertson is strictly a reliever.

  290. JohnC June 16th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    raymagnetic ®™
    June 16th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
    “I don’t think they could get Erik Bedard, but how bout Jarrod Washburn or Miguel Batista? ”

    “Are you serious?”

    Yes, Ray, I am serious. Are those guys so bad? Maybe since you’re the genius, you could come up with a suggestion. Unless you really think we could get Sabathia for Melky and Kennedy.

  291. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (Jose Tabata Supporter 4 Life !!!!) June 16th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    reliever

  292. SomBiJalay June 16th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    CRAP!
    DOH!
    FRAK!
    And every other expletive you could think of!

  293. Real World June 16th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Ponson was actually pitching pretty well too. He’s familiar with the Yankees, and could step right in. A jerk, but an available, cost effective one.

  294. Tseng June 16th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    They should have gameday or something for golf! Not having TV available sucks.

  295. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Heres a quick break down Oswalt hates NY and wont waive his no trade to come here he is a small town hick, Arroyo stinks end of story, Harden will cost more than Santana or Beckett cost so no thanks, Bedard is injury prone and a team cancer, Sheets is AKA Mr. DL, I really think its either C.C. or Harang and honestly I like Harang because he will be alot cheaper prospect wise and when he is on his game he is a legit front end guy.

  296. Jeff NJ June 16th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    I don’t see Cash making a trade while other teams view him as desperate. I think short term he should give Marquez or Giese the spot start, then IPK for a start or two, if he fails, then maybe McCutchen or Horne. No reason to panic yet, I agree with CB, a mediocre pitcher might be a good option, no need to trade for that.

  297. bphill June 16th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    ok cause i was going to say, why not make him a starter, but i see, strictly reliever.

  298. BBB June 16th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    LOL @ Seattle trading Ichiro. What’s next, the Yankees throwing Jeter into a Sabathia package so they don’t have to give up Betances? I know this is a time for creative thinking regarding trades but let’s at least try to be realistic here!

  299. C-M W June 16th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Just saw CC at Models buying a customized yanks jersey. Welcome to New York CC.

    -Chien

  300. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    http://ballsiest.com/sportsblo.....bathia.jpg

    I had to repost great pic lets make it happen!

  301. RSM June 16th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    It seems the baseball Gods are not Yankee fans. This is terrible news. Conservatively, figure Wang is out 12 weeks between healing and rehab. That puts us into mid September. Doubt we see him again this year.

    If anyone cares what I think, I would not trade Joba, Hughes, or Brackman, but I’d be willing to let anyone else go for CC.

    I’ve watched Randy Wolf pitch extensively when he was a Phillie, and trust me, he’s not the answer.

  302. Brent (This Damon Guy's For Real, Huh?) June 16th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees will do it, but if they’re willing to wait and pay Freddy Garcia money after being hurt for so long, I don’t see why they couldn’t give Sidney Ponson another look..even a minor-league look! The question is..would he accept a minor-league deal after posting a 4-1 record and 3.88 ERA?

  303. Jeff NJ June 16th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    ok fantasy wise, who is the pickup, Giese, McCutchen or Horne?

  304. T June 16th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    They are going to make a competitive offer for CC. With Wang out now they desperately need him and I would fully expect the Yankees to get him. This season is starting to turn around, if we don’t get a replacement it’s going to go sour fast.

  305. BBB June 16th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Maybe Eli Manning can come make a couple of starts for us until we figure out a long term solution? I mean, it’s the offseason and we know he can throw, and handle the pressure…. lol

  306. yankee lover June 16th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    anyone who thinks that Wang can be partially replaced by anyone in the yankees farm system is crazy. They need to make a deal. There isnt anyone down there that can do 1/4 of the job Wang did. Lets move one of those superstar minor league aces for an established starter. Or put Cano or Melky in a deal.

  307. Rob NY June 16th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    You got it Al from BK that is a big dominant pitcher hitting his prime, not passing it. C.C. is the guy to get . I for one would like to see him battle in game 1 for us for the next few post seasons.

  308. randy l June 16th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    “It will be interesting to see where the Yankees go on this one. Tough calls all around.”

    the yankees need to play for a few weeks to let this sink in.

    rocco mediate took tiger woods to sudden death in a us open.

    what’s the chance of that happening?

    they need to play the game and see where they’re at. it’s too soon to know what changes need to be made.

  309. bphill June 16th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    giese…he is on the 40 man roster has the best chance of starting

  310. kd June 16th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Ok, this was a really bad end to a long meeting. Coming back to my office and seeing Wang essentially out for the year is a bad day.

    I suggest the following:

    1. Don’t panic. Geise can make a spot start of two.

    2. Rasner is pitching quite well, he’s really only had three bad innings all year.

    3. Maybe Karsten can be ready. There’s no need to give up a lot of prospects unless you are certain CC will sign long term. That’s a big question.

    4. Let the Red Sox ‘rent’ him if they choose. If htey give up a lot, the two draft picks might not be worth what they gave up.

    This is a question to some of the true baseball pundits, has CC given any indication at all where he wants to pitch next year?

  311. Patrick (the good one) June 16th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Bedard is a special talent, I’d trade for him in an instant. I’m assuming SJ has some inside knowledge about Bedard being a bad teamatte. I know Erik is bad with the media (personally I think he’s hilarious when answering media questions). I think he would be a fantastic pitcher for the Yanks and if the Mariners really are shopping him Cashman should be all over it.

  312. yankee lover June 16th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Playing through it for a couple of weeks and let it sink in will put the yanks maybe 10+ games behind. The season is on the once Wangs next start comes up.

  313. BBB June 16th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    To the people mentioning Harang: I like him a lot too, he is one of the most underrated pitchers in the league, he eats innings, K’s batters and just think what he could do with a little run support. But $20 says Cincy will not trade him, he is signed for 3 more years after ’08 and what with all their young talent, theyre looking to contend in the next few years and likely want Harang around to anchor the rotation.

    If theyre looking to get rid of anyone it’s Arroyo, and, um…NO.

    I kind of wish we hadn’t traded Clippard right now! Of course who could have forseen this…

  314. Francis The Praying Mantis June 16th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Im setting the over/under at 2 weeks for the “Ive always wanted to wear the pinstripes” press conference.

    Does not mean its going to necessarily be Carsten Charles.

  315. The Monk June 16th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    Tim: Your points about Montero and Jackson make no sense. Outfielders can be fungible — if Sizemore loses a step, Cleveland needs a CF, or AJax can play in a corner outfield position. Montero is a good young catcher and that type of prospect is always in demand. He’ll be major league ready in 2-3 years, and by that time Victor Martinez (0 HR in 198 AB, .665 OPS — you call THAT an all-star?) will be past the point of no return in his decline (he turns 30 this year). If I’m Cleveland, I put little stock in Betances and his achy shoulder or McCutchen and his sudden AAA gopherballitis.

    Rebecca has the best news of the day about Bavasi’s sacking. Bedard’s now possibly available because Bavasi would never have traded him. The new GM should have a blow-it-all-up-and-start-again approach.

  316. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 16th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    The thing most of you guys are forgetting right now is that with Joba in the rotation they don’t necessarily have to replace Wang–if Joba keeps progressing as he has, then the Yankees need to replace a four or five starter, not a one.

    Wishful thinking, maybe, but the possibility does exist.

  317. SJ44 June 16th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    I agree CB. They will definitely be ok. They won’t make a panic deal.

    I think they could put the pieces together for a CC deal if Cleveland is serious about dealing him and it wouldn’t destroy the farm system.

    Doesn’t mean that’s the direction they take but, its doable IMO.

    Its going to be interesting to see who they eventually get.

    No way do I think they stand pat. They will in the short term. Not in the long term.

  318. whozat June 16th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    “Are those guys so bad?”

    Yes. The Yankees have pitchers that could probably perform as well as them without dishing out any prospects or money at all. They have ERAs around 6, with poor peripherals.

  319. Rob June 16th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    Anyone but Farnsworth wrote:
    June 16th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
    “Where would 10 weeks take us too. August?? I say its almost a blessing in a sky.. it makes Wang into a the King of the staff and now the Yanks will try and get the Ace we all have been looking for..”

    Uhhmmmm…. you are definitely mixing up “a blessing in disguise” with “pie in the sky” or you are just plain retarded…. I’m guessing retarded since you won’t acknowledge that the winningest pitcher in the Major Leagues over the last 3 years is an Ace.

  320. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 16th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Yankees won’t go after Bedard–he’s a horrible fit for New York.

  321. BBB June 16th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    “This is a question to some of the true baseball pundits, has CC given any indication at all where he wants to pitch next year?”

    I dunno how true of a baseball pundit I am, lol, but I read a while back where CC was being asked about his possible future in NY (I guess it was when the Indians came here) and he gave the answer that he should give, that his focus was on Cleveland as long as he was an Indian and he wasn’t talking or thinking about NY. That’s what you want to hear out of any #1 pitcher but it doesn’t really tell us anything either way.

    If I had to guess though, I don’t think he’d have any issues with becoming a Yankee. Obviously the A’s would be his first choice, luckily they can’t afford him.

  322. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (Jose Tabata Supporter 4 Life !!!!) June 16th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    TIGER WOODS WINS THE U.S. OPEN

  323. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 16th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Tiger Woods wins US Open

  324. mel June 16th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Rocco would’ve made a great champion, but watching Tiger do what he did over the last five days is just so special. Destiny.

    Congratulations, Tiger.

  325. Carl June 16th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    hey guys,
    ill be in the press box wednesday to announce my comeback (just like roger last year)

    I’m going to save this season.

    -C. Pavano

  326. Tseng June 16th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Congrats to Tiger Woods. Amazing. I wonder how bad the knee really is?

  327. Bronx Bomb Nyc June 16th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    I like the Yankees’ farm system but I just think having one or more of our AA or AAA youngsters fill in for Wang is very risky. I would hate to have one (or more) of our talented youngsters rushed into the majors. Even if the coaches felt they’re “ready”, they’d still lack the experience and longevity. Obviously, Hughes and IPK haven’t turned out well so far this season so my guess is that Cashman makes a deal for Randy Wolf and not CC. Though I have my reservations about NL pitchers switching to the AL, I think Wolf is an intriguing possibility. He could be a decent temporary fill in for Wang (without giving up too much from our farm system). Whatever the case, Chien Ming Wang will be difficult to replace. What do you guys think?

  328. anita bonghit June 16th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    well since smokin dope has mellowed me out i look at the loss of Chein like this…. it would be far worse if it was an every day player.. if the yanks hit they could send a slow pitch softball pitcher out there and be fine. we will be ok as fans but think of chein.. he has worked so hard i bet when he comes back he will pitch angry which is good. pluse we get to see what elese we got in club as a whole

    i love this game

  329. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 16th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    mel, it was hard to choose who to root for there!

  330. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    It has to be Carsten Charles if not then it was a bad trade and thats unfortunate with Harang I kinda had a crush on the guy from afar for the past few years. C.C. standing at the podium putting on the interlocking NY (chills) after signing a long term deal to be the Yanks ace. Now that will make the Wang situation fade fast.

  331. Doreen June 16th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    Very bad news about Wang. I doubt we’ll see him before September, if then. But I don’t see the Yankees making any panic moves. They will look within first. If the offense has truly come around, I think they may be able to withstand this for a few weeks at least and then, everyone will see from there.

    I’m with the “unhappy but let’s not panic” crowd.

    Regarding CC, though, I just heard Buck Martinez on XM radio just this morning say that the Yankees do not have anything that they Indians would want for Sabathia. He said they need position players and the Yankees have none of those in their system, and that even if they do have arms, Cleveland has young pitchers of their own. Tim, you are saying that Cleveland needs pitching. This is two diametrically opposed statements. Who knows the true situation? (Not that I want CC, I just don’t like contradictiosn!)

    It has been one heck of a year in baseball for injuries this season. Is there a team out there that hasn’t been struck by a fairly major injury, and multiple ones at that?

    You knew Seattle was going to do SOMETHING.

    Now, what are th Mets going to do?

  332. David NY June 16th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    They would try to get Oswalt before they overpaid in prospects for CC Sabathia. Oswalt is cost affordable contract wise and just as good especially if Cleveland demands are outrageous.

  333. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (Jose Tabata Supporter 4 Life !!!!) June 16th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    NTC to NY for Oswalt (he personally put it there) :D

  334. J. Girardi June 16th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Hey guys,
    Since Jose Molina just got traded away for Griffey, I’m ready to strap on that catchers gear and be our back up catcher.

    Player/Manager 08!

    -Joe

  335. Valvone June 16th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Just because you win games doesn’t mean your an ace pitcher.

    Wang will be missed but hes not irreplaceable.

  336. mel June 16th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Rebecca,

    Agreed. Rocco seems like a great guy.

    Well, boys and girls, don’t drive yourselves nuts. We’re in wait and see mode. Have fun, but don’t drink and blog.

    Go Phillies! Clown Hair sucks!

  337. Jameson June 16th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Cleveland is only 6 games out. Why would they quit now? They really scared of the White Sox?

  338. Mike Mineo June 16th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    I wish that Kei Igawa wasn’t the best starting pitcher in our AAA system. but this is the case and Gil Meche has just slightly edged Mike Mussina for being the most laughable ace in the AL.

    Mussina
    Pettitte
    Chamberlain
    Rasner
    Igawa/Kennedy/Giese/LOLOL

    seriously, if i ever need a good laugh this summer, i’ll just look at that.

    and the Yankees aren’t going to get things done with CC unless they give up Cano, Hughes, and one of their 4 prospects with actual value. then Wilson Betemit is your starting second baseman and the best starting pitching prospect in your organization is a 26 year old named Daniel McCutcheon who got busted for roids in 2006.

  339. "The kid" June 16th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Hey guys, since im a yankee now I was hoping to get together for some beers with some fans. I’ll be at Mickey Mantles from 8pm on.

    Griffey as a yankee 2008! Go yankees!

    -Ken Griffey “The Kid/Junior” Jr.

  340. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes June 16th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Tiger is an animal.

    I wonder what the interst level would be for someone like Giambi to a team in need of some power.

    Its probably a long shot in terms of trying to get a solid pitcher in return, but perhaps it would bring in the kind of talent that would get a deal done for CC. I don’t necessarily advocate this, but certainly someone out there would look at Giambi if the Yanks picked up some of his remaining salary in 08.

  341. Jeff NJ June 16th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    The team can definitely survive trading some lower level prospects for CC. My untouchable list is Jackson, Tabata, Melancon, Horne, Montero, Betances, Brackman, also Hughes and IPK at this time with their decreased value.

  342. Blargh June 16th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Congrats to Tiger

  343. mel June 16th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Are you guys watching the trophy presentation? Baby Sam is so cute. She looks like J-Alba.

  344. Matt June 16th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    It’s a shame but you see so many players this year are under so much pressure playing in New York with their contracts or reputations that they play through injuries and are out for way longer as a result.

    A-Rod tried to play through his calf injury for a weekend in Cleveland when it was only a grade 1 and aggravated it to a grade 2- out 3 weeks and the team plays .400 ball without him.

    Posada had the shoulder injury and tried to come back and play through it, eventually being forced to the DH role and on the DL- out for a month

    Wang- Has a calf injury and tries to pitch through it. Most likely altered his delivery slightly to take stress off his legs, causing him to struggle for the entire month of May and leave balls up. Possibly his injured foot results from stress building on it as a result. Result- Out 10 weeks.

    Hughes- Tries to pitch through a rib cage injury knowing the Yankees are counting on him as the #3 or #4 starter despite diminished velocity and erratic control- Out for 3, possibly 4 months by the time it’s all said and done.

    These coaches need to sit these guys down against their will and let it heal so they don’t knock themselves out for months.

  345. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes June 16th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    I smell an ugly troll…does anyone else smell something ugly? It smells like…sniff sniff…it smells like my early a.m. bowel…oh no wait, its Mike Mineo.

  346. Valvone June 16th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Everyone wanting Sabathia wanted Santana in November.

    Right?

    Because Santana is the better pitcher.

  347. V June 16th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    I wouldn’t mind giving Ponson another shot, lol.

    Howabout a Bartolo Colon vs. Ponson Red Sox vs Yankees match up?

  348. Erik Bedard June 16th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Hey guys, I’ll do my best to be as good as CC. I think that with enough determination, I to can be what Roger Clemens was to the Yankees just one year ago. Alex Rodriguez is my best friend and I love Ken.

    Lets just hope that Joe can be as good of a back up catcher as he could be (unless we can go out and get Piazza)

    Bedard as a yankee in 08!

    PS
    I will be happy to step down once Carl gets home.

  349. Joe June 16th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Watching Tiger Woods, Carl Pavano was thinking “why fight the pain, he should take 3 years off?”

  350. G. Love June 16th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Um, I’m sorry, but all you people throwing Karstens into the mix?

    When exactly has he proven that he has the major league stuff to get through an order more than once at this level? What’d he have one good start? Two. Chase Wright and DeSalvo had similar results.

    The Yankees make him a starter and you’ll be clamoring for Igawa’s and Kennedy’s 3 inning specials.

  351. TL June 16th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Bedard=Eddie Whitson

  352. TL June 16th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Bedard=Eddie Whitson

  353. C. Pavano June 16th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Hey thanks Erik I appreciate that. The elbow is doin alright but i just stubbed my toe. Give me another 12-18 weeks so this bruised nail heals up fine.

  354. Kevin (from Edmonton) June 16th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    I am in favoring of the team standing pat. Don’t get CC or some other expensive rental. Stay the course, maybe call up some kids from AAA or David Wells. I say, let this year be our write-off year. We can blame the crappy season on injuries, allow the kids to mature and be ready to fight come next season in the new stadium. I know that not many would agree with me but I would be okay with this scenario.

  355. anita bonghit June 16th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    I agree mat. its a vicios cycle. we applode them when they play hurt and do well (or just use ketchup) but when they play hurt and make it worse we shame them. better to just be smart

  356. CB June 16th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Cleveland is really thin on position players both at the major league level an in their system. They really can’t hit at all at the big league level.

    Pitching right now is their strength. But its a relative strength and that will change next year. They’ll lose CC and Westbrook won’t be around until at least mid-season after his TJ. That’s 2/5 of the rotation. Their top minor league arms have recurrent arm problems.

    The Indians are going to need to get a mix of pitchers and hitters back in a deal for CC. How that mix goes just depends on the specific players included.

    The yankees will be in the mix for CC. They aren’t going to be at a deficit in trade chips.

    Boston is not going to trade either Pedroia or Ellsbury. They have a lot of position players but many of the more talented ones are in the lower minors.

    Other than Boston, Milwaukee, and TB not many systems have position player talent that would make a trade for CC difficult for the yankees. And neither Milwaukee or TB are going to be in the mix.

  357. J. Santana June 16th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Hey fellas,
    I’m gonna drop by the stadium tomorrow to pitch a “celebrity inning” tomorrow.

    I’ve got to say that as a fellow new york sports enthusiast, it’s nice to see that Griffey Jr. is finally a Yankee where he belongs. I recently saw Carl Pavano jumping on a trampoline in his yard, someone better call his insurance company and have him arrested. Carl, you’re done.

    Who needs CC 08!
    -Johan

  358. G. Love June 16th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    I’d actually throw Wells a tryout at this point. See if he has 1/2 a season of magic left in that old left arm. It certainly wouldn’t hurt.

  359. raymagnetic ®™ June 16th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    “Yes, Ray, I am serious. Are those guys so bad? Maybe since you’re the genius, you could come up with a suggestion. Unless you really think we could get Sabathia for Melky and Kennedy.”

    John,

    I never said I was a genius. But I am smart enough to know that Batista and Washburn are not good pitchers.

  360. al arodien June 16th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    joe- you are a *** for writing pav-no in the same sentence as tiger!

  361. Carl June 16th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Johan, that’s a rehab trampoline. Read the part where I just stubbed by toe, you jerk.

    -C. Pavano

  362. Ford June 16th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Jeter’s got an edge!

  363. fleas (santana syndrome) June 16th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    mel, you rubbing it in on me are ya??? :P

    Sometimes it is really funny to see what people come up with when you instigate with arbitrary verbal sewage. I have to admit that its all for entertainment selfishly!

    But seriously, since when have all trades been predicted? Is there such a thing as a trade you never saw coming??!!??

    If you guys got a crystal ball, well I have cashman’s mobile, maybe I see what he is up to and get back to you.

    damn, “Leave a message..” grr.

  364. bphill June 16th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    I would welcome David Wells too

    No joke

    Try him out, as long as he can get his fastall up to 87 like moose and locate his splitter and slider, he could be decent.

  365. CC June 16th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Hey guys,
    I’m not a yankee I don’t know what’s going on here.

    Kei Igawa did just trade me his autographed jersey for some asian candy I bought in china town though.

  366. Jeff June 16th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    We’ll survive.

  367. Pepitone June 16th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Okay, I posted this on the other thread early this morning and got no response:

    I’ll tell you what, I live here in LA and I will tell you flat out the Dodgers would be interested in any reasonable deal for Derrick Lowe. He has been absolutely solid for the last few years. He’s a proven veteran who is an upgrade from anything we have going now, or in the minors. Also, he would not command the type of cache Sabathia would demand.
    Lowe is like Wang, a sinkerball pitcher who can eat innings and get you wins during the season and postseason. He’s worth a look don’t you think?

    Apologies to anyone who might have mentioned this in this thread, I did not take the time to read all of the comments. What do you guys think? Lowe could be had for a realitively cheap price.

  368. pat June 16th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Cashman on WFAN right now.

  369. bphill June 16th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    mike and mad dog are talking to cashman right now.

  370. Mark (Free Brett Campaign) June 16th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    cashman fan now

  371. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    I am really sick of hearing these cliche’s “Build from within”
    “Bring up the kids” “Not panic lets ride Giese into October” “We can tread water with Igawa/IPK”. The sad truth is that the Yanks cannot replace their #1 with a AAA pitcher and expect to compete past August. I am not saying get C.C. tomorrow but wait until the ASB when Cleveland is 10 games out then look for the trade for a legit #1 starter. If this team suffers one more loss to a pitcher( lets say hypothetically its Pettitte) we could be looking at Joba(unproven) Moose(39 years old) Rasner(an ok #5 nothing more) followed by 2 question marks that is a frightening proposition.

  372. fleas (santana syndrome) June 16th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    I’d prefer Charlie Brown over Kennedy or Igawa at this point. I wonder if we could trade for him? I’ve heard he is available for peanuts… *drumroll*

  373. fleas (santana syndrome) June 16th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    “Cashman on WFAN right now.”

    that is why I got his voice mail I suppose.

  374. Bell June 16th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    FYI. When have you ever seen Cash make a panic trade?

  375. D. Wells and B. Cashman June 16th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Hey guys,
    I’m continuing my live blogging here.
    We needed a new pinch hitter for NL play so we just went and got David Wells off the couch.

    David thinks that he will hit 42 HR with 117 RBi this year. Good luck David!

    -$

  376. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes June 16th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Why do people keep talking about Griffey Jr. playin in NY?

  377. BG June 16th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    SJ44 was right that there’s some hard choices to make indeed.

    While everyone seems to think our hand is now forced that we have to make a trade for CC or another legitimate quality starter, I think I would have been more inclined to make the deal before Wang was injured. A rotation with CC and Wang at the top of it would make me pretty confident that the Yankees would make the playoffs and have the pitching to advance pretty deep. Now we’d just be replacing Wang with CC at the top of our rotation and potentially greatly weakening our farm system to do so.

    There’s enough pitching depth in the system to suspect that they could cover Wang’s innings with at least average starting out of guys like Giese, Karstens, Marquez, Horne, Hughes, Kennedy, McCutchen and Alceves. I don’t know that you make the playoffs with these guys and you don’t advance far with them, but I don’t really think you advance far in the playoffs with CC, Petite and Mussina at the top of the rotation either. The Yankees’ problem the last few years has never been a lack of pitching depth, its been that come playoffs, their top 3 starters just weren’t good enough. I think we’d find ourselves in the same spot just switching out Wang for CC.

    If they can do the deal without dealing Joba, AJAX, Montero, Hughes, or Cano, I probably still do it. But I’d assume the deal would be a rental and should be based on rental pricing. Given all the innings CC has logged and his weight issues, I’m just not sure I could ever get comfortable in signing him to a 5-7 year contract and I think someone will be willing to do that.

  378. anita bonghit June 16th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    whats this talk of griffy jr bein a yank

  379. GreenBeret7 June 16th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Out of the 1st and 5th spots in the rotation (Wang and Rasner) the Yanks need to pick up 18 wins in the 35-38 remaining total starts remaining. Each of the other three spots will get 18-20 starts and needs to win 11-12 of those starts. The remaining wins need to come from the bullpen. Wang’s spot needs to be pieced together from somewhere out of the minors (unless a deal is made). Last year they picked up 13 wins from minor league pitchers, and, may have to do it again. Rasner is in the rotation, unless he starts getting hammered like his last start. The one thing that would make things easier on the rotation, obviously, is to get Cano and Jeter back on track.

    Would I like Sabathia? Certainly, but, not at the talant cost plus money. I’d have no problem sending out Kennedy, Marquez and Gardner as part of the deal, but, definately opposed to moving Hughes, Tabata, Melacon,Betances and Jackson.

  380. Francis The Praying Mantis June 16th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    this is wackasaurus rex

  381. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (Jose Tabata Supporter 4 Life !!!!) June 16th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    * CASHMAN ON WFAN RIGHT NOW *

  382. Valvone June 16th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    What is more unfunny?

    The guy posting with as real people such as Bedard and CC or the trade proposals that keep coming in?

  383. bphill June 16th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    did anyone hear that?

    Cashman was talking about internal pitching…

    he said Igawa with a big sigh

  384. Doreen June 16th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Thanks, CB. I can always count on you for an answer. :)

    Mel -

    Baby Sam is indeed an adorable little girl. Didn’t want to leave Daddy’s arms – too cute. Whenever I see little ones that age I wish mine were young again – if only for a few minutes, anyway.

  385. Brandon (supporting "Alex being Alex") (Jose Tabata Supporter 4 Life !!!!) June 16th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Nooooooooooooooooooo not Igawa or Karstens :(

  386. gayle June 16th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    Oh lord he mentioned the dreaded K word

  387. 21yankeepride23 June 16th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    As bad as it seems, its not as bad as losing a-rod or jeter for 10 weeks. When a pitcher goes down, you only feel it every 5 days. and you just hope that they can make up those 7 or 8 eight innings every 5 days and give them a chance to win those 13 or 14 games. Who knows, Kennedy or Geist or even McCutchen might rise to the occasion.

  388. Brad June 16th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    Cashman now talking like Igawa could be recalled. That by itself is enough to make me shut the season down and start thinking Big Blue football.

  389. S.o.S.27 June 16th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    Pepitone,
    I mentioned Lowe on this thread and totally agree. He eats alot of innings and keeps you in games. Plus his playoff run wasnt that bad as well. Playoff success is something i wouldnt mind having.

  390. Mark (Free Brett Campaign) June 16th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Hopefully they just go Geise Saturday.

  391. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 16th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Tell me Cashman did not just mention Igawa.

  392. Ken Griffey Jr. June 16th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Sorry to be a tease, but I want to play for the Rays, not the Yankees.

    Now everyone can stop staring at my rocks in my ear lobes and worry about your starting rotation!

  393. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes June 16th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Again, what is all this BS about Griffey Jr.? He won’t be playing in NY any time soon…why would the Yankees even consider trading for him when they have much larger issues in the way of starting pitching?

  394. Jerry in N.J June 16th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Let’s see C.C wears Yanks’ Jersey soon….

  395. anita bonghit June 16th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    we don want griffy as a fan i wuould have been upset lol

  396. Bryan (Yankees fan) June 16th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    To support my buddy Chien Ming Wang I am going to sprain my Lisfranc

  397. S.o.S.27 June 16th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    So far iv been a Cashman supporter. But if he brings sun glasses back up to pitch. I will be on the fire cashman wagon. Swallow your pride and cut your losses Cash.

  398. Pepitone June 16th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    Thank you S.o.S. 27, I was wondering if anybody had brought him up as an option?

    I know the Dodgers are interested, they said the Cubs were sending feelers about acquiring him a few weeks ago. As I said, the Dodgers would not demand the kind of players the Indians would for Sabathia, and he knows the American League hitters.

  399. mel June 16th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    Pepitone,

    Any trade with the Dodgers has to include Bowa. Otherwise, forget it.

  400. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes June 16th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    anita,

    First of all, great name. Second of all, I TOTALLY agree. I think when someone gets injured, all kinds of crazy things come out of irate Yankee fan mouths.

  401. CB June 16th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    “Oh lord he mentioned the dreaded K word”

    Cashman is going to make sure that he does not sound desperate or panicked.

    That’s probably his biggest priority during his public comments, especially now.

    He sounds desperate – the price for any trade just goes up.

    The more internal options he lays out the less desperate he’s going to come off.

    He’s just throwing names out there as possibilities. They are not going to depend on Igawa or Karstens.

  402. Laura June 16th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    If our only option is Igawa, then we should shut down for this season and start planning for 2009. Igawa is beyond awful. His deal may even be worse than Pavano’s.

  403. Matt June 16th, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    When will the Yankees learn? It’s better to keep him in AAA building up some nice numbers so you can trade him eventually than bringing him up repeatedly, watching him get bombed for 6 runs in 4 innings, and losing all possible trade value. Wasn’t San Diego willing to part with some prospects for him last year? It’s not like he has the value of a Hawkins.

  404. anita bonghit June 16th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    bryan i would pay to see that.. what esles is the cah man talkin bout?

  405. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes June 16th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    CB,

    Well spoken. Igawa and Karstens are obviously not long term solutions.

  406. Pepitone June 16th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    “Pepitone,
    Any trade with the Dodgers has to include Bowa. Otherwise, forget it.”

    Okay, Mel…HA, HA, HA…I will give Joe a call (he’s sunning himself in Palos Verdes) and tell him to include the Bowman as well.

  407. anita bonghit June 16th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    i want to see someone besides igawa i have seen him many times and he as got nothin,….but i said the moose was done so who knows!

    i love this game

  408. rconn23 June 16th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    If the Yankees trade for C.C., they should only do so with the assurance that they could sign him to a long-term deal.

    Wang is not an ace in the mold of Halladay, Peavy, Beckett or Santana – but he was the best we had. Replacing him with Horne – who walks way too many batters – or McCutchen – who’s not proven himself enough at AAA – is not a equal fill-in.

    Karstens and Igawa both have weaknesses in that they both suck. If the suck factor could be removed, well, they might have a chance.

    Counting on ANYTHING from Hughes is not advised. Who even knows when he’ll be ready, and how long it will take him to get into pitching shape. He and Kennedy are just enigmas at this point – in terms of health and mental makeup.

    An option I really think the Yankees should look at is Harang. At least kick the tires. Jocketty may not make him available, but at least find out. I don’t think anyone on the Reds is off-limits except for Bruce and Volquez.

    Harang is just as good if not better than Wang (check the numbers) He just smoked the Red Sox, and has had three very good years in a lauching pad of a ballpark.

  409. GreenBeret7 June 16th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    CB, I think Cashman only mentioned Igawa because as he said, he’s second on the list of present #2 healthy minor leaguers. I personally, wouldn’t mind seeing Aaron Cook being brought in from Colorado. He’d certainly cost less in money and talent than Sabathia, Harden or Bedard type pitchers.

  410. Jeremy June 16th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Wang’s injury is the nail in the coffin for the “keep Joba in the pen” argument.

  411. BBB June 16th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    Karstens? Igawa?

    Okay, NOW I’m REALLY counting the days to the impending Pat Riley press conference welcoming Michael Beasley to the Miami Heat.

    kidding kinda – I am not part of the defeatist crowd, not writing this season off whatsoever. I don’t get why Cash would go with Karstens or “They call him ‘Ei cause he got no K’s” Igawa over Dan Giese, Steve White or even Boomer or Ponson, but I think any chance the two aforementioned AAAA pitchers got would be very short-lived. They may have a chance to lose one game each (at most, hopefully) before IPK would be back. Not that I think he’ll be a savior either but I think by that point Cash would see that it’s time to go outside the org. Actually, I’m sure he knows that already, but doesn’t want to show his hand too much to other GM’s. Never let them see you sweat….but Shapiro is already salivating, of course.

    Anyway, can’t blame Cash for mentioning internal solutions first. Maybe he’s just trying to bide his time till they sign Garcia.

  412. S.o.S.27 June 16th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    I wonder what Aaron Small is doing these days? hmmm

  413. Kei Igawa June 16th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Do you guys like that I wear sunglasses when I pitch? I’m a kool kat.

  414. CB June 16th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    GB7,

    I agree. He’s just going down the name of the arms who are in theoretically available at AAA. That’s it.

    What else is he going to say? Igawa and Karstens aren’t any good and we have no one at AAA so Mark Shapiro, etc. just take advantage of me?

    They aren’t going to make a silly, panic move here.

    They’re going to approach the decision rationally and work their way through it.

  415. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Cash seems like hes trying to not show his hand, but he did mention Igawa and he sounded like he wanted to cry. It doesnt seem like he is against trading for C.C. so we’ll see what happens. Right before the break Russo said “Yeah, the Yanks need a big pitcher not Arroyo.” agreed reluctantly. Very funny.

  416. S.o.S.27 June 16th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    “Wang’s injury is the nail in the coffin for the “keep Joba in the pen” argument.”

    Yeah. But the “we wouldnt have this problem if Santana was a Yank” is probably going to flare up.

  417. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    *Francesa agreed

  418. TL June 16th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Kei is too valuable down in SWB coaching first base. Too bad he’s got a helmet now.

  419. Pepitone June 16th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Okay, here’s the deal, it sounds like our farm is loaded with right handed arms, and we need left handed arms. Sabathia would be the ideal candidate, but I like the ideas floated around: Harang, Cook, Lowe (my favorite for the above reasons), Peavey, etc.

    Giving up a few of our surplus arms shouldn’t hurt our future, but I hesitate on our quality position players, i.e. Ajax, Gardner, Tabata, and others. Sabathia would mean having to give up one or more of those guys, and I’m not for that. He’s good, but is he that good?

    Wang is gone for the season, as SJ44 rightly said, ok, then let’s get one of these less expensive guys for the rest of the season and see if we can compete for a title. If we fail, at least we didn’t give up all our good young players for a hope and a prayer.

  420. S.o.S.27 June 16th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Solution to the Wang injury.
    Treat every start that Wang was going to do like an all-star game. Bring up Meloncon,Robertson,Patterson,Cox and whoever else i missed. Have them go 1 or 2 innings in that game till we get it to MO.

    PROBLEM SOLVED.

  421. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    My best Georgie girl impression ” Oh my goodness, gracious , oh wow(sounds of hyperventilating) Sterling is that who I think it is , Yes! Yes it is………ROGER CLEMENS is a New York Yankee!!!!!…..(sounds of severe borderline sexual arousal) He’s back the Rocket is back! Oh my can you believe it wow what a sight hear in the bronx its simply electric wow..Also for all you Japanese fans you can get fresh flame grilled food at Benihana.. Benihana the official hibachi steak house of Hideki and the New York Yankees wow!

  422. Jonathan Everett June 16th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    I am a fan of the Seattle idea. Go for Bedard and Ichiro. They have no chance to make the playoffs. They need to unload those contracts and Ichiro mentioned playing for the Yankees before.

    We send Melky, Kennedy, Hughes and get Bedard and Ichiro.

    We eat their contracts and Seattle can rebuild.

    (then when it happens again in 4 years, we get Hughes and Mely back ha ha)

  423. fleas (santana syndrome) June 16th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    I am looking for the meadow-lark-lemon type of left handed pitcher… one that can throw the infamous bugs bunny pitch!

    there is no settling for K. Igawa.

  424. GreenBeret7 June 16th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    Pepiton, I’d have no problem including Gardner as part of a package for a front line starter. Not the headliner of the package , but a good part. He’s nearly ready, but, there’s no spot for him this year, and, by next year at mid season, Jackson could fill the same roll and get him ready to replace on of the three outfielders they have now.

  425. billy June 16th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    Bedard is a melt down waiting to happen.

  426. fleas (santana syndrome) June 16th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    I personally would trade Jeter and Cano for a time machine back to when someone on this team actually knew what the hell they were doing.. I also wouldn’t forget to pick up a reggie bar.. damn those were good!@

  427. GreenBeret7 June 16th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    **same role** gotta get an eraser for mistakes

  428. fleas (santana syndrome) June 16th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    I am a meltdown already happening@

  429. CB June 16th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    People who want to trade for Bedard and are willing to give up any significant talent, really have not been following his career or how his year has gone in seattle.

    If Seattle just wanted to dump him fine.

    But there is just no way you trade anything of value for Bedard.

    He is an awful guy. Not just bad – awful. Past surly. He will not talk to his teamates in Seattle. Doesn’t talk to them. And he hates the media in Seattle.

    He’s a huge risk to melt down in NY. And you’ll only have him for 1 year – he’s not going to sign a long term deal with the yanks and his contract is done after 2009.

    He’s from a small town in Canada. And he wants to play in that kind of place.

    Seattle is too big for him. And on top of that he has a bad hip that becomes recurrently inflamed. He’s needed to take steroids to treat that hip in the past, including earlier this season.

    Bedard is exactly the kind of pitcher you want to avoid. A guy that’ll be costly but isn’t going to be a front line pitcher in new york.

  430. Angel June 16th, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    “Cash could stand pat, but if so, prepare to finish third, or worse, IMO.”

    Well people on this blog have been categorically stating that this year was a “rebuilding year” – even if the Yankees weren’t admitting it was.

    So why wouldn’t or couldn’t they stand pat?

    The yankees might not be announcing how bad the injury is so they don’t look desperate which is a fair point – but the fact that he is injured at all and everyone knows its not minor, makes trading from a position of a lot more weakness than they were then these CC to the Yankees talk first arose. I am assuming most GM’s out there aren’t idiots and would know this. I mean just because the Yankees aren’t admitting anything doesn’t mean other GM’s aren’t aware of what a blow this is, and are counting on the Yankees to have less leverage than before.

  431. John Sterling June 16th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Let’s change the subject to how great is John Sterling!

    “It is high, it is far, it is gone!”

  432. Pepitone June 16th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    Calling Peter Abraham!!! Hey, Peter, are you out there…knock…knock…knock…I really would like to know what the Dodgers would take for Derrick Lowe. You are in touch with what goes on around baseball, is he a good fit, and what would it take to get the deal done?

  433. Ray_NC June 16th, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    David Wells is available! LOL! Hopefully, no one panics and we continue to win via hitting & defense. We only need an ace in the playoffs & more will be available later. Now it is extremely expensive. I say, lets look for a diamond in the rough from the minors. Sign Freddy Garcia to a minor league deal with an option for next year. Hopefully the Yanks make it to the playoffs.

  434. randyhater June 16th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Cb,

    If big game is what we’re hunting, I’ll take a year and half of Bedard at reasonable money over a nine figure lifetime deal for a guy who can’t show up in reasonable shape for his walk year.

    Bedard’s no softy and while the hip’s a legit concern, he’ll give everything he has to lock up a big payday, unlike CC.

    Personnally, I like his prickly attitude and I consider it a plus that he won’t fraternize with the likes of Richie sexson and Andrian Beltre. I think a change of scenery will do him wonders and he’s the only potential ace I’d consider emptying the cupboard for.

  435. tcsports (aka kid) June 16th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    “There is no trade market at the moment,” he said. “I’m not optimistic that something can get done on that front. We have to try and plug this gap internally and that’s not going to be easy.”

    Big surprise there. Congrats to the posters who had this one already figured.

  436. Sudakis June 16th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Well, they have a couple weeks to mull this over. Look at the schedule – they will go 13-3 or 12-4 at the worst without Wang over the next 16 games. So no need to rush into any move ove the next couple of days.

  437. oleo June 16th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    My heart is broken…Can’t see my favorite pitcher for the rest of the year…I’d rather not watch baseball at all! Why? Why! I hate the stupid NL crap!

  438. Sudakis June 16th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    You hate stupid NL crap? Why not be mad at the AL for having the DH, then Wang would know how to run the bases. Wow, blaming the NL, might as well go back top blaming Bobby Meacham.

  439. bigApple June 16th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Holy crap …I hate Interleague play .

  440. JerryW June 16th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    I can’t accept this.

  441. wise June 17th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    that’s the most expensive run in his career life…

  442. Mike1953 June 17th, 2008 at 7:44 am

    Start thinking AJ Burnett or Rich Harden instead of CC Sabathia.

  443. TravisTW June 17th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    It’s not a good news for all the Taiwan Yankees’ fan ……

    Can’t we just look forward to Giese??

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