Wang out at least 10 weeks - likely more
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- June
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This from the Yankees:
INJURY UPDATE ON RHP CHIEN-MING WANG
RHP Chien-Ming Wang was examined today at New York Presbyterian Hospital Columbia Medical Center by Yankees Team Physician, Dr. Stuart Hershon and Dr. Justin Greisberg, Foot and Ankle Specialist.
Imaging studies revealed a mid-foot sprain of the Lisfranc ligament of the right foot and a partial tear of the peroneal longus tendon of the right foot.
Wang will be on crutches and wear a protective boot for a minimum of six weeks.
UPDATE, 2:52 p.m.: Wang will be in a protective boot for six weeks. That’s July 28. He would need at least four weeks to get his arm back in shape to pitch - assuming that he is fully healed after six weeks.
That’s Aug. 25 at the earliest.
UPDATE, 2:52 p.m.: This pretty much worst-case scenario for the Yankees. If Wang is not out for the season, he is out until at least September. Their options are to try and make up 18 or so starts internally or make a trade.
You have to assume he is out for the season. Six weeks in a boot means no playing catch, no conditioning. Even if he is fully healed by that point, it will take a while to get back in pitching shape.
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Son of a *^&$#
NOOOOOOOO!! Kim Jones was right which makes it that much worse
get the medicine man!!
Son of a gun!
I dont know what to say about this, but i was not expecting this. God damn
Kim Jones and Darth were both right. My apologies for using your comment to poke fun earlier, Darth.
Well crap.
ugh not good…so 10 weeks in Yankee talk probably means 20 weeks…
Tell me you’re joking.
Well now that its certain anyone against trading for C.C.
10 weeks means see you when pitchers and catchers report spring 2009.
MotherFreaking(!@!^@E&^&!^@E*^!*^E*!
CC, come on down!
Not good at all……..
So which minor leaguers/major leaguers do we give to Cleveland for 3 months of CC?
Hopefully my post won’t be eaten on this page…
“Well now that its certain anyone against trading for C.C.”
Yes. We didn’t trade valued prospects for JOHAN SANTANA. Despite the opinions of people on this blog who think Sabathia is a LEET DOMINATING ACE~, Sabathia is less than Santana by a safe mile. We look like something between blindly desperate and galactically stupid if we now treat Sabathia like greater royalty than Santana. Agree with Cashman’s plan or not, he married himself to it this Winter; you can’t agree with divorcing from it now for a far inferior pitcher, even if Wang, Mussina, AND Joba are hurt.
And if you think we’re trading for Sabathia, then letting him walk at the end of the season, you must be smoking something. The Indians will want arguably more than the Twins wanted for Santana. It’s a mid-season trade, it will be hard for them to believe or to convince their fanbase that they’re out of contention, and they will sense our desperation. That’s to say nothing of the other teams involved. We will have to GUT our farm to bring him here. Once we do that, there is no way in hell we consider turning him into a couple of draft picks, no matter how badly he might pitch the rest of the season. When do the Yankees EVER do business like that? We’ll tie him up with a huge contract as soon as he arrives, and his agent isn’t going to settle for anything less than a free agency deal. As soon as Sabathia gets that kind of security, you can forget about him keeping himself in shape.
Of course the deal’s going to happen. I knew as soon as we passed on Santana (despite bringing Clemens, Igawa, Brown, Pavano, and on and on and on to this team in prior years), that Sabathia would be a Yankee in a year. The only time this team ever decides to develop prudence toward the payroll and/or the youth, it’s with a player that they should acquire at any cost. Then when they realize what a mistake they made, the prudence disappears, and they end up with another bad contract and more gaping holes in their farm.
If we include Betances in a Sabathia deal, mark my words: in three years, Carmona and Betances will be a force at the top of the Tribe’s rotation, and Sabathia will be 350 pounds and getting booed off the Stadium mound every start. You’ll see a hundred insane trade proposals on this blog every day (”Phils dangling Howard!!! think they’d be interested in Safattya???”) that will be summarily shot down (”maybe if we eat 85% of his contract”). We’ll long for the days when Pavano was our biggest embarrassment. Mark the words of Confucius.
Cashman must be happy now that he didn’t give Wang an extension when he asked for one. It is his own fault that he got hurt. He wasn’t smart enough to know to take it slow on the bases. Pettitte and Mussina and any veteran would of used there brains and been more careful. Not to say that a freak injury can’t happen but Wang was flying around 2nd base not running like a pitcher. What an idiot. He cost them in last years post season and obviously now this season is over.
Do you really think the Indians would request Cano for Sabathia, a rental player. I highly doubt that. The Yankees will have to make a move for him. But it will come from the farm system.
I am not in favor for C.C, I am more inclined for a trade for Ben Sheets, or Jake Peavy( not sure if this is possible)
All,
We all knew the news was bad. Lets just solve this internally and not make rash decisions…ie…C.C. He is not the solution.
I heard saw some of you saying, we can get the picks if C.C. leaves for FA…Thats a rental this team cannot afford. The Indians will want a HUGE pack. Start Cano, like Pete said.
Lets solve this internally….
Think Giese, or McCutchen
Get. Sam. Militello.
Kidding, but the only way we contend in 2008 is to get some veteran pitching. No way any farm guys are gonna get us in to the post season this year. I’d love to see Randy Wolf in pinstripes.
im never going to run again.
Wow. What that means is that he’s out for at least 3 months. Who knows if Wang’s first major league start after this injury, will be in the playoffs. Now that’s just to say IF we make the playoffs.
We need Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy back more than ever, and we need them to pull their weight.
This sucks.
Not good at all, but it’s not season ending or career ending like some bozos were trying to lead us to believe.
Should be an interesting couple of days as the rumors start to fly.
Gammons will declare the Yankee season dead. Cashman will swoop in and grab us some C.C. And life will go on.
Good thing it’s an off day. Give the guys a chance to absorb the news and come out fighting tomorrow.
The good thing about this is that the yanks will likely solve from within. CC is no longer the option.
Giese or McCutchen do not equal CMW what a tragic loss I say we sell at the TD and work on 9 when Wanger and Hughes are healthy.
Hello? Hello? Testing, testing? Am I able to post -anything- at all here?
Where would 10 weeks take us too. August?? I say its almost a blessing in a sky.. it makes Wang into a the King of the staff and now the Yanks will try and get the Ace we all have been looking for..
“Think Giese, or McCutchen”
yup, their production on the mound should just about equal that of Sabathia over a 4 month period.
good lord - it could be worse, but I was hoping for much better than this
I give up. This posting system is the Antichrist.
Don’t think Giese or McCutchen. This team is going to need a #1 to replace the #1 we are losing. A staff with two #3 guys Joba as a #4 and The Ras needs a strike throwing win machine at the top. Not saying get C.C. but the Yanks need a guy who can pitch innings and get big wins. Anybody like that available?
DAMN….
Dean, the Indians aren’t looking at the trade as C.C. being a rental player. It’s not like they say “Oh, the Yankees will let him go after 3 months, so it’s only fair that we don’t ask for Cano.” That’s ridiculous. They look at the trade as them trading the Cy Young winner, and they will ask for according talent.
ANyone know Jake Peavys contract.?
damn……
Karma!
http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=197&nav=messages&webtag=ml-yankees&tid=362988
Oh boy.
Time for somebody to step it up big time.
I’m looking at you Andy Pettitte.
Looks like the decision to make JOBA a starter seems pretty smart now. I think that move is validated.
I blame Kim Jones, she jinxed this somehow
If the Yanks dont bring in a legit front end guy Yankees Universe will implode like a supernova look for a trade.
Turn Two—-
You cannot sell the farm for C.C. You absolutely cannot. Can CC survive New York????
You cannot sell the farm for a 4 month rental..
Think long term not short term
I don’t think we need a number one to replace him. We just need someone who won’t give up as many runs as the Yankees will score. Who knows, maybe we catch lightening in a bottle again with Giese.
What is wrong with Sabathia this year? What would we be willing to give up for him? Remember nobody ever trades fairly with us.
Mel,
That’s a season ending injury for a starting pitcher, IMO. The chances he comes back from this in that time frame is slim. They also won’t risk it with him.
Its not just the foot injury. He will also have to build up his arm again.
That’s tough to do when you can’t throw due to the foot injury.
They will go outside the organization to get somebody at some point. There is no way they are spending the rest of the season with a short rotation. None of their internal options are long term solutions.
In the short term? You do what you have to do. Long term, there will be CC discussions as well as discussions with other pitchers.
….well, crap.
screw CC…. Phil Hughes and others need to be given a shot when they come back.
Yankees do not need CC Sabathia. Why sacrifice our future for an obese pitcher. It is not smart. If you are going to give up the talent give it up for someone who will have the likelihood of being around longer than five years. I would rather get a guy like Erik Bedard or Jake Peavy.
I would really like to see the Yankees bite the bullet rather than trade the future away. If they struggle, hopefully we will get to see the young guys develop.
Yankees just can’t get a break.
Oh this is not good news…..please do not bring Igawa up!
So, Wang is in cast through July, at least, then a month to get his arm back in shape…Maybe back in the rotation after Labor Day. Which would make him a nice additiion for the stretch run (I know, I’m looking for silver linings, but at this point, what else are you going to do?).
Long term, maybe a trade (CC?). But short term, it is an opportunity for someone to step up and show what they can do. Remember a couple of years ago, when Matsui and Sheffield went down within days? Melky Cabrera, who had been chased out the previous season, came up big time.
In any case, I don’t think anyone on the team is crying about it or writing the season off. Nor should we.
Finding a bridge and buying some rope.
I say give them Tabata, Horne and Kennedy for CC. None of this “it will start with Cano”, garbage, those 3 and maybe throw in a Snyder or an Alberto Gonzalez, etc should get it done. I would even swap out McCutchen or Marquez for Horne and or Kennedy.
I’m all for developing young players but this is the FINAL year in Yankee Stadium. Do you really think that the “Bosses” are not going to do anything? Allowing Giese and McCutchen would be ok if we were Florida or Washington!
god $#^#&$#!!!!! this absolutely BLOWS. and just when he had regained his mojo and the team was really starting to roll, too. gaaaaaahhhh!!!! I so wanna break something right now
But the Yanks still have to find a way to win these games. It seems apropos that right now I am reminded of Mariano Duncan’s wise words in ‘96: “we play today, we win today, dats it!”
Except that we don’t actually play today, haha. But tomorrow and every other day, that is the credo to live by. I believe in this team and their ability to triumph through adversity.
“Cashman must be happy now that he didn’t give Wang an extension when he asked for one. It is his own fault that he got hurt. He wasn’t smart enough to know to take it slow on the bases. Pettitte and Mussina and any veteran would of used there brains and been more careful. Not to say that a freak injury can’t happen but Wang was flying around 2nd base not running like a pitcher. What an idiot. He cost them in last years post season and obviously now this season is over.”
Please tell me this means you will relieve yourself from the Lohud Blog at least until next season.
Losing Wang hurts but it’s definitely not the end of the world.
We will survive this..
I hope
“You cannot sell the farm for C.C. You absolutely cannot. Can CC survive New York????”
who said you have to sell the farm?
noones advocating that. but there is a reasonable deal to be made, where a middle ground can be found that will make both sides happy.
Healing and coming back at 100% is the key. Last thing anyone needs is Wang hurting his arm by compensating for his push-off foot trying to rush back for September.
I would gladly miss the playoffs this year for 5 - 7 more years of a healthy Wang.
Giese is not an option for this type of role. They may give him a start next weekend because they have to; but beyond that, he’s not the answer.
McCutchen isn’t ready yet.
guys this could of been much worser thanks god only 6 weeks . well i belive it will take atleast 3 months that means he will be back in september! OUCH!! damm iterleage baseball!!!
I hope I’m wrong but this is bad - really bad - not just for the Yankees this year but for Wang for a long time. I would guess he’ll be getting more opinions from an assortment of doctors - this isn’t always a foot in boot for 6 weeks and then reconditioning injury; this is most often a surgical situation - a very painful one. It’s also something that (if surgery is needed) needs to be done ASAP. I really hope he has someone taking care of him. What good will it do to have him come back to pitch in the (much hoped for) playoffs only to set him back for his career.
This needs to be handled right by the Yankees - I don’t think Bruney was handled correctly and we’re all seeing what the press has done to the Mets over their treatment of Church.
Bottom line - we haven’t heard the end of this situation yet. Wang “belongs” to the Yankees, he’s a young kid, hasn’t made millions like some other injured players, he’s in a foreign country, and deserves to be treated well.
Don’t worry. It won’t change the # of poor market bad relievers who feed you game winning homers. You’ll be fine. Just steal more stars and continue to hurt the game with greed and selfish need to win at all times.
Giambi has enough hgh to carry you until at least August. It’s all good.
Phil Hughes wont be back til labor day too we need another option.
Peronial longus is a relatively rare injury, but sounds like it’s better that this was the grade II rather than lisfrank: http://www.myfootshop.com/detail.asp?Condition=Peroneal%20Tendon%20Rupture
Everybody relax - it’s all part of the season, and this is how we find new pitchers. Remember - an injury is how we found Wang!
We have 6 weeks till the deadline to see if any of the kids step up or we need to make a trade. If we need to make a trade, we have the chips to make it happen.
I’m of course rooting for the internal options, but trust Cashman to keep his cool and make the right deal if it’s offered!
Sign CC and Tex now….Do it !!!
Remember you have to pay something to get something, even if they rent CC for 3 months they get 2 #1’s in the June draft next year if he bolts after 08.
“Karma!”
Yes, Wang is paying for the sins of a forum poster. Totally makes sense to me.
I knew he had a Lisfranc sprain when it happened… I prayed I was wrong but it didn’t work
WTF
“Yankees do not need CC Sabathia. Why sacrifice our future for an obese pitcher. It is not smart. If you are going to give up the talent give it up for someone who will have the likelihood of being around longer than five years. I would rather get a guy like Erik Bedard or Jake Peavy.”
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There is no evidence that obese pitchers break down any more than skinny ones.
To be exact, Bedard has broken down much more often than Sabathia ever has.
(1) Rich Harden (NASTY… best SP out there)
(2) Randy Wolfe (best of the so-so chump group)
(3) Zach Grienke (we drafted his buddy)
(OR) Just go with the farm… Let’s face it… we’re only talking about 18 games right? Yanks will just have to step up…
We get Ian Kennedy back in a week or so… Phil Hughes in a month… FIRST, we give Geise, that Mexican pitcher (Aceves?), then Mccutchen a shot… Let Ian try to win his spot back, then… give Hughes his chance again.
SO… I could understand getting WOLFE… CASH knows Towers… he might come cheap. FINE.
NOW… if I’m trading prospects… I only do it for Rich Harden. Simple as that. He is NASTY. RIGHT NOW, Yanks have to assume the injury risk. IF it takes 2-3 kids… Harden is the only one I shoot for.
OR… I just go with the farm and hope for the best. IF I have to… I make a move at the deadline.
Sheets is in the last year of his deal and has been almost lights out so far. He does have a limited no trade clause with only 8 teams he can be traded to without a waiver needed. But, he does have an injury history and the Brewers will require a hefty package for essentially a half season rental.
Freddie Garcia, welcome to your audition!
Paging Dr. Sabathia…. Dr. Sabathia needed in the Bronx….
SJ said this in the last post, and I just wanted to repeat it. A great line, IMHO:
“What if you get him, he helps you win, and he and the Yankees decide this isn’t the best place for him? You get 2 draft picks, you win, AND save 100+ million bucks.”
Great idea. Especially if they can trade Melky, Kennedy and Horne/Betances for CC and Dellucci.
That way, if at season’s end, he’s won it all for NYY, and everyone loves eachother, they can lock him up long term. And if they fail and he hates it there, a la Pavano, he can bail and the NYY get two draft picks in return.
Testing the waters, so to speak. I like it.
This is really bad, bad news.
Though I like C.C. yet I’m still not sure going for C.C. at this time. His price will jump quite a bit.
Nobody is advocating giving up the farm.
Please, enough with the CC fat jokes. You sound foolish.
The guy is a better pitcher than anybody in the Yankees rotation.
Guess what? If the Yankees can make a deal they can live with, they will get him, regardless of how much he weighs.
The guy can flat out pitch.
I’m not saying he’s the only option. Make no mistake though, he’s an option, regardless of his weight.
You cant get 19 wins from young pitching. Hughes isnt coming back till august! We need to trade to get someeone, at this moment andy pettite is in the #1 slot. Wang has been the most productive pitcher in the majors the last 3 years, posting 19 wins every season. We have to make a trade to get CC. I dont think IPK is gonna be amazing this season, especially how inconsistent hes been. Rasner could fall apart at any moment. We have to get someone
who knew joba would be the yankees ace this soon
I think we should give Horne a shot. I like the Sheets idea as well.
Yankees in 09! This year wasnt meant to be too many injuries Jeter will get to sit on his couch for October that hurts but life goes on.
Thank G-d the Yankees transitioned Joba when they did…
@CaptainsCorner - You must be joking. Anyone who ever played a team sport would run the bases as hard as he can in that situation - to score the run for your team. As if he or anyone else is thinking “man, i might hurt myself while running…”
I just can’t believe how result-orientated some baseball fans think. “Oh he hurt himself - its his fault, no girardis, no meachems… blablabla” It’s neither, he could hurt himself while getting of the plane. Well then it might be the airlines fault. It’s just pure bad luck.
If the Yanks would not trade for Santana they will NOT trade for CC. Especially since he will 99% be a free agent after this year. If they want him then they will sign him after the season there is no reason to trade for him. It doesn’t make any sense to that, it is not like this team is built to win a championship this year. Also does anyone not think that Shapiro will not try to take the Yanks for everything they have??!! The Yanks will just bring up someone from AAA. Marquez or Horne? They know that Igawa can’t get major leaguers out. He will not be given a chance!!!
“Remember nobody ever trades fairly with us.”
Yeah, the Phillies surely raked Cashman over the coals for Abreu.
Well that pretty much kills the season for us. The only hope we have would be a trade for CC who shows up in NY and is fantastic (not that likely), or our farm system wonders show up and save the season (even less likely).
Just when it looked like the pieces were coming together it all crumbles like that.
yeah give Cleveland 6 guys… what the hell give them 9.. be real..
PAss on CC, to expensive…
TAKE YOUR SHOTS !
10 seconds into the Yankees conversation and there goes Arroyo lol
wow this season is over
I feel like Kennedy can hold his own, but he’s got to be another 2 or 3 weeks off… Yankees have to be sure he’s ok.
” who knew joba would be the yankees ace this soon ”
.
I did.
Sorry, the @captainscorner posting is not by the Tom posting some other comments. It’s by me… Tom#2.
As Nancy Kerrigan once said…Whhhhyyyyyy?
Huge Loss.
Yankees must not panic though and make a ridiculous trade.
SJ44,
Of course I defer to you, but it sounds like Wang will be back in action this season. The degree of the injury must not be as severe as Bruney, who got injured a long time ago and whose prognosis was that he would be out for the season. (And Bruney is throwing from a chair. ahem-CMW)
“I would rather get a guy like Erik Bedard or Jake Peavy.”
None of them are better than Sabathia.
Why does this always happen to the Yankees. This team can never stay healthy is a joke
Wow. This is a tough one to deal with. He will be missed greatly in the Yankee rotation. I wonder how many phone calls are being made right now by Cashman.
SHOT #2 ALERT !
lol..
Arroyo
ARROYO SIGHTING 3:12 PM
Wow, I was hoping for better news but it could be worse. I don’t see any viable long term solutions internally. That being said, I hope Cashman doesn’t hit the panic button and undertake any rash moves.
the ONLY way I do a deal for CC is if they take either Matsui or Damon. I don’t want to give up youth for a guy that will be a FA after this season.
Folks how about Penny in L.A.? They are struggling and i believe hes in his last year of the contract.
Football anyone? cant wait for training camp.
Glad to see the Bronson Arroyo drinking game is on!
Yikes…
Ok well, let’s assume it’s 18 starts he misses.
18 games that we need to somehow fill in…
Lets just truse that the Yankees brain trust is working hard somewhere evaluating and figuring out their options.
If your playing the Arroyo WFAN shots game it is now 2 shots as of 3:13 P.M.
God I think Mike Franscea is smoking some serious stuff for keep recommending the Yankees sign Bronson Arroyo.
Regards Bedard, he might come a bit cheaper then Sabathia, but he always seems a bit injury prone. No need to go down that road again.
how can anyone say Sabathia will be too expensive? noone here has any clue what the Indians will want in return for Sabathia.
we can all guess, but until a deal is made, its all speculation.
Tom -
It is the airlines fault…Wang had to carry his own bags due to rising fuel costs as he did not want to check the second bag at $20. To protect his pitching arm, he carried the bags with his left arm. This, created an muscle imbalance in his foot. When he hit the third base bag, this imbalance caused him to unevenly step on the base, thereby rupturing a piece of the body know one knows how to spell without rechecking the original PeteAbe post.
We all knew the news was bad. Lets just solve this internally and not make rash decisions…ie…C.C. He is not the solution.
The Yankees should not panic. Go from inside first. If things don’t work then think about the outside. The one I feel bad for? Wang. He’s the one who has really on fire. He didn’t ask for an injury.
NUTS!
well, I guess there’s one positive aspect of this horrendous news: at least nobody has brought up the idea of trading for Joe Blanton yet. lol.
And yes, thank the good Lord the Yanks transitioned Joba to the rotation when they did. Because it’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility that HE could be the one to step up and take Wang’s place as the best pitcher in the rotation, is it? Of course we can’t assume that he will or expect him to carry that load, that would be unfair pressure for such a young player. But he is a very talented pitcher and I wouldn’t be shocked at all to see him rise to the occasion.
Rocco feeling good about his second shot…Tiger from the fairway bunker puts his second shot 8 feet closer to the hole.
The idea is to get the foot fully healed then start the throwing program. I don’t think he will be pitching with a unhealed foot lol.
Let’s not forget something here. The Yankees are not exactly running away with the division. I could agree with giving up a legit package for CC, if they were in a better spot. But the team was barely hanging on with a healthy Wang. Would it really be worth giving up the farm only to miss the playoffs.
He cares what it costs (in money) to get CC. The Yanks win when they outspend.
Regarding Penny, I believe he is going for an MRI today on his shoulder.
I dont understand how everyone is saying that this is not the worst case scenario he is out for the year that was the worst case scenario! Get C.C. or Yankee stadium will be dark in August. I got tix for a game in July if Giese is starting Im putting those tickets on stubhub.
People recommend Bronson because He has pitched some big games in the playoffs for the red sox so we know he can handle media and the NY pressure.
“Don’t worry. It won’t change the # of poor market bad relievers who feed you game winning homers. You’ll be fine. Just steal more stars and continue to hurt the game with greed and selfish need to win at all times.
Giambi has enough hgh to carry you until at least August. It’s all good.”
I’ll try to spell this out as slowly as possible while using very short vocabulary words so you will understand:
Think and then type. Understand? Think and then type.
You will probably start making some sort of sense if you try the above.
I think there are gona be some big movements from the Yankees in the next month or so…in my opinion
“If the Yanks would not trade for Santana they will NOT trade for CC. Especially since he will 99% be a free agent after this year. If they want him then they will sign him after the season there is no reason to trade for him. It doesn’t make any sense to that, it is not like this team is built to win a championship this year. Also does anyone not think that Shapiro will not try to take the Yanks for everything they have??!! The Yanks will just bring up someone from AAA. Marquez or Horne? They know that Igawa can’t get major leaguers out. He will not be given a chance!!!”
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It’s never good timing for a Wang to get hurt; but this is the WORST possible timing. Horne is still stretching out his arm after his injury. Marquez is currently working on pitches in Scranton (his slider) and should not be touched by the Yankees until 2009.
As for CC vs. Santana, timing is everything. If Wang blew out his shoulder throwing baseballs against a wall in December, Santana would be a Yankee right now in all likelihood. Now that Wang is lost for perhaps the rest of the year, there is a major void. That void cannot be currently filled by any available talent in their system without rushing someone.
“But the team was barely hanging on with a healthy Wang.”
they are now just catching their stride, and are only 4 games back in the loss column with 3+ months to go.
you dont think this team is capable of making that up?
Mel,
Never, and I mean never, trust the Yankees when it comes to injury talk.
They said Hughes would be out a month. He’s going to miss 3 months.
They said Bruney had “no structural damage”. He had EXTENSIVE structural damage.
There is a good reason why they gave this “optimistic” report on Wang.
By saying its not season ending, you don’t show teams you are desperate for pitching help.
It isn’t CC or bust but, they will have to go get somebody to fill that spot eventually.
Maybe a guy like Gil Meche if the Royals want to move him.
Either way, its going to be somebody.
yooo chill indians gm shapiro will have limited trading partners. not too many teams have the money to get a contract extension done therefore the yankees will have leverage. cashman is the man and has forgotten more about baseball than all us know.
When Wang comes back do you sell the new pitcher (big name pitcher you sell the farm for) to someone else? Lock him inside a locker? Have him killed? Send him to the bullpen? Have one of your other starters killed? Overpay for someone when you already have 4 starters and Hughes and Kennedy somewhere in the wings? Others down below?
Do you start from inside and wait to see what happens?
“I knew he had a Lisfranc sprain when it happened… I prayed I was wrong but it didn’t work
WTF”
What else do you know great Guru?
People that don’t want CC don’t know anything about baseball.
Peter,
As much as I shouldn’t ask this, what’s the status of Pavano?
There are too many George Costanzas on this board. The Yankees do not do business like that anymore. Haven’t you noticed?
This wrecks my day. Yanks have had no luck this year. All these injuries suck. Red Sux don’t have to deal with this stuff, if they did they would be in last.
Remember though Cleveland is looking at losing Sabathia if they don’t trade him, so they’re in a spot also. If they’re saying we would get 2 #1 round picks in the June draft if we hold on to him, you gotta think that 3 of the following: Kennedy (a #1 round pick), Tabata (who is the #1 or #2 minorleague prospect depending on if you think Montero is #1, in the Yankees org), Betances (who should have been a #1 round pick), Horne, McCutchen, Marquez, Aceves, and maybe a Single A throw in like Suttle/Romine/Snyder or an older throw in like Gonzalez is better than 2 #1 round picks that may take several years to develop.
You have to sacrifice somebody to get a #1 pitcher like Sabathia and the above names are not untouchable at the same time they are legitimate prospects.
It’s good and bad. Obviously, the bad news is that it blows up whatever plan management had before this. The injury also douses whatever hopes we the fans had of getting to the playoffs with the team as is, ironically, just as the flicker of life was finally starting to shine on the field.
The good news - glass half full - is that it makes it easier to justify making a big trade, to move some prospects or even a current starter. The injury creates options that just a few days ago might have been largely unpopular or viewed as excessive.
Cash could stand pat, but if so, prepare to finish third, or worse, IMO.
“NOW… if I’m trading prospects… I only do it for Rich Harden. Simple as that. He is NASTY. RIGHT NOW, Yanks have to assume the injury risk. IF it takes 2-3 kids… Harden is the only one I shoot for. ”
No one is going to take you seriously if you keep telling people this.
“People recommend Bronson because He has pitched some big games in the playoffs for the red sox so we know he can handle media and the NY pressure.”
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But he isn’t any good. If you are going to dip into Bronson Arroyo, you might as well just stick with what you have.
You have two options, in my mind:
1. Stick with what you have;
2. Get something that is either on par or better than Wang.
Arroyo doesn’t fit either bill.
Trading your top prospects for CC isn’t the way to go. The guys have options in the minors to try out. panicking and going after CC isn’t the solution to the problem. It’s a last resort to this problem.
It’s 18 or so games… Plus the playoffs.
Thats huge, but we should be able to overcome that.
It’s bigger than just Wang, we need the rest of the team to step it up to.
Joel wrote “Don’t worry. It won’t change the # of poor market bad relievers who feed you game winning homers. You’ll be fine. Just steal more stars and continue to hurt the game with greed and selfish need to win at all times.
Giambi has enough hgh to carry you until at least August. It’s all good.”
Next time try “Hooked on Phonics”, it may make your post remotely legible.
Ugh Ben Sheets. Ugh Rich Harden. Both are injury prone.
Go all in:
CC Sabathia.
And it won’t take ‘the farm’ to get him. They will exchange lists, and argue over who comes back with Sabathia. There will be untouchables on both sides, I’m sure.
Would hate to see Hughes, Cano, Joba, Gardner, AJax, Melancon, Betances, Jesus or McAllister go for him.
If three players from a pool of Melky, Tabata, Kennedy, Horne, McCutchen, etc. could net CC and David Dellucci, go for it, IMHO.
I agree with SJ44 on this.
This REALLY SUCKS. Get well soon Wang.
Let’s try Giese for a start or two, and give Kennedy a chance when he’s ready. If they don’t work out, compile a list of untouchables (Hughes, Cano) and get CC or someone else.
penny’s contract has a club option for 2009
Sabathia is definitely a consideration now. However, we all know that Cashman will not key in on one guy, he’s going to look at every possibility.
I’m thinking Ben Sheets is a possibility, he is a legit ace pitcher if he can stay healthy. I don’t think Harden is viable since Beane will fleece us for him. Bronson Arroyo is a possibility too but he’s not even close to Wang so theres no point in wasting prospects for him. Aaron Harang on the other hand would be fantastic but I doubt the Reds would want to trade him. If the Dodgers fall out of contention perhaps Brad Penny?
“Folks how about Penny in L.A.? ”
This sounds like a potentially good idea. A change of scenery might do him good, and despite his early struggles I wouldn’t give up on his whole season completely. Good pitchers work their way out of those things and Penny is a good pitcher.
Maybe Cash could do what nomaas suggested in the offseason and dangle a beloved Torre veteran in hopes that he would endorse the deal to the front office…I bet he has a lot of say since he is the first competent manager they’ve had in god knows how long. Only problem is, who’s left on the team that we could trade that Torre loves like that? Viz and Villone are gone and we can’t trade Matsui..
This sure is starting to look a lot like the Santana episode. Rumors start circling about this, about that. Eventually, Boston gets in the rumors trying to raise the price for the Yankees. Cleveland starts going back and forth between Boston and the Yankees…In the end, the Yankees back down and keep their young players.
If the Yankees did not pull the trigger for Santana, no doubt a superior lefthanded ace, why would they do it for Sabathia, who although is a good pitcher, is no ace!
I say, put in Giese for a month or so; by then, both Hughes and Kennedy should be able to pitch again. Then you go from there.
Not career ending! Woo hoo.
Arroyo?
Take your heads out of the ovens and away from the exhaust pipes.
When did Pete become a Doctor? From “yankees fans pump up the prospects way to much” to “Oppenheimer got a steal with Reich” to his amateur diagnoses of Wang I can’t wait for the day the Journal News gets rid of this hack..
As if my day couldn’t get any worse!!! Damn!!!!
Expect Cashman to not sleep from now until this is resolved. Giese will get his shot for a start or two so lets see how he does before we go trading away the farm.
Very difficult break for the yankees. But they’ll get through this.
Its a good sign that they are treating Wang’s injury conservatively. Lisfranc injury’s vary a lot in how bad they are and the often require surgery.
The yankees I’m sure have the best specialists evaluating him and they are not going to do anything shortsighted or stupid with Wang’s health. If he needed surgery they’d send him for it.
They need another pitcher but they have some options and time to figure it out given that its still 6 weeks from the trade deadline.
Its still too early to really know what the trade market for pitchers is going to look like. Shapiro is going to have to balance what the expected returns for CC are and how they may diminish the longer he waits vs. the Indians chances at the wild card.
Either way he is not going to trade CC quickly. Same thing for other veteran starters. Don’t know if any are going to get moved before July.
So for the near term future the yankees are going to have to look internally for options.
I’d like to see what Alan Horne can do. He’s 25 - much older than Hughes or Kennedy. He also has the kind of fastball that projects to the major leagues and throws 4 pitches.
The yankees aren’t going to make any panic moves. They have internal depth and this season is making them use just about all of it. But they still have a progression of options to move through before the trade deadline.
They don’t necessarily need a “#1″ starter in the short term. They just need another pitcher how can give them decent innings.
And just as importantly they need to offense to produce up to their full capabilities on a consistent basis.
I’ve been scarred too many times by NL pitchers.
The only decent NL pitcher (Andy doesn’t count, the majority of his career was in the AL) that has come over to the NYY in recent memory was Cory Lidle.
IMHO.
NL pitchers will break your heart every time. Lidle, Unit, Brown, Pavano, Wright….
i can’t get interested in the sabathia talk because it doesn’t seem real.
i don’t see it happening.
for one thing, cleveland is not out of the wild card because everyone stinks this year.
the commitment was made to young pitchers.
the back up plan was young pitchers.
so it’s time to run the plan.
if it doesn’t work , fire cashman’s butt and get a better plan for next time.
it’s time for cashman to put up or shut up.
he wanted to do it this way, so do it.
Yeah, for anyone comparing the Santana situation to this situation, it’s completely different now. We’ve lost our #1 starter. We don’t have an ace.
We’ve seen that Kennedy isn’t tough enough at this point to be effective in the majors, Hughes can’t do anything for us either right now, and Chamberlain is still trying to get his game sorted out. Does anyone actually believe the rest of our farm system will really be able to fill Wang’s shoes? The answer is a simple no.
Santana was a luxury that we passed on, C.C. is looking like a necessity now.
I’m not so sure about Penny. Isn’t he having some shoulder issues?
sweet!
Go Red Sox!
BB77, exactly. like i said earlier, either go for it all, or dont bother.
i think the yakees should convert A-rod to a pitcher and get another 3rd baseman!! he should hit and pitch! he has a 95 mph fastball …. lol! if the yanks dont get any good pitcher the 08 season is OVER! OVER MEANS OVER!
Why are people writing this year off already? Wang is a hell of a pitcher but he had an era over 4 this year. If Giese or anyone else can step up and give us an era around 4.5. We will be just fine. We dont need to trade for an Ace to have a good year. Our starters have stepped up this past week and our hitting as well. Just need a pitcher to keep us in games.
darn
Hands down.. I think the best solution here is to go after Freddy Garcia.
CC is going to require too much, and let’s face it .. this isn’t an injury that will effect Wang’s pitching in the future.
If this wasnt the last season for Yankee Stadium, the situation would be almost acceptable for the Yankees to ride the farm guys out…but making the playoffs is more important this year than most (believe it or not…the Yankees will make more money in this postseason than in any other…Yanks just have to make it first)
Good news: Joba is almost stretched out properly. Hughes is a few weeks away (okay, maybe a month), and there are arms in the minors.
Kennedy — I’m not sold on at all. Igawa? I don’t even know.
“sweet!
Go Red Sox!”
Please leave.
Wow, the panic by so many of you is amazing.
Get CC, Get Bedard, Get Peavy! Peavy? Like SD is going to give up their ace because the Yanks lost theirs. Give me a break.
Oh yeah I forgot SD wanted Igawa last year maybe they will take him. Unbelievable.
Maybe if we all take a deep breath we will see that the team has many options internally. Just be patient.
I do hate trades though, as GM’s always try to bend Cashman over a barrel.
The guys at “It Is” wrote this, thought it was put perfectly:
“Arizona says it will trade Curt Schilling. They tell us it’ll cost Alphonso Soriano, Nick Johnson and an everyday player. Then they gift him to Boston for a case of Sam Adams and a presciption of Viagra.”
LOL… So true.
Add Santana to that list!
“I say, put in Giese for a month or so; by then, both Hughes and Kennedy should be able to pitch again. Then you go from there.”
It might be the way they choose to go in order to come out fresh and ready next year, but IMO journeyman minor leaguer Giese will get absolutely hammered and Phil and IPK are going to continue to pitch like the girl with the strawberry curl - don’t expect anything special as they are jut gaining experience.
IMO the Yanks either get CC or they can start making golf reservations for October.
tear, tear
“Aaron Harang on the other hand would be fantastic but I doubt the Reds would want to trade him.”
Patrick: I had hoped for Harang too, but just looked up his contract and he is signed for a few more years. (thru 2011? I think) I don’t think the Reds need to dump off his salary, and they won’t trade their rotation-anchoring veteran just as they are starting to build a good pitching staff and lineup around him. Damn.
Would Erik Bedard be so impossible or such a bad idea? I don’t think Bavasi would demand the same kind of return Shapiro would on CC, nor does Seattle seem to be anywhere NEAR as astute as Cleveland with respect to evaluating young talent.
Plus, Seattle doesnt need a 2b…or if they did want Cano they could send us a decent 2b back in Lopez.
“It’s clear that the yankees HAVE to go out and trade for a pitcher” -Mike+Mad dog
I bet that something happens TONIGHT.
OF COURSE WE PANIC 3 OF OUR STARTERS ARE ON THE DL!!
Uh, did the MAriners just fire Bavasi?
Damn it.. the very dependable Jeter could not hit into a double play!!!! What a time for him to get a single.
Uh yes, yes they did
Mariners fire Bavasi
We still don’t necessarily have a bad rotation. Lets think about all the times in the past that we thought an injury was going to sink us then look at the Cano’s, Wang’s, Melky’s.
We will definitely be fine. We still have 3 plus pitchers in Pettitte, Moose, and Joba. Rasner got knocked around in his last start but it was really only that one inning. Now we will see the big name kids come up and make an impact. I say give Giese a shot first. Then McCutchen. Then pick another one guy from the farm.
THEN, AND ONLY THEN, DO YOU GO TO KARSTENS, IPK, IGAWA, TO FILL THE VOID.
I will not be happy if Karstens comes up for a shot before Giese or McCutchen.
“Uh, did the MAriners just fire Bavasi?”
Yup. Makes a Bedard trade more likely. He’d probably be more expensive than CC though, and I’d rather have CC.
nothing will happen tonight,
“They don’t necessarily need a “#1″ starter in the short term. They just need another pitcher how can give them decent innings.
And just as importantly they need to offense to produce up to their full capabilities on a consistent basis.”
This is exactly my thinking CB. The Yankees look like the offense is awake. If they can get a league average starter they should be fine.
Yes Rebecca he is out.Not a great year for him between his father, his team and now this
No Bedard. Bad attitude. Bad hip. Would not be able to handle NY.
“for one thing, cleveland is not out of the wild card because everyone stinks this year.”
They’re not out yet, but they just lost Victor Martinez for at least 2 months. That’s their most consistent offensive performer by far and the guy who plays the most important position on the team. Pronk’s given them next to nothing, Westbrook is out for the season, Carmona’s on the DL and was a WHIP nightmare even when healthy, their entire bullpen has been awful all year. I think they prob. are thinking it’s time to cut their losses and get ready for next year.
Although Seattle should be thinking the same thing which is why I say at least look into Bedard.
“Uh yes, yes they did
Mariners fire Bavasi”
Too bad, he was an awful GM.
I agree everyone who dislikes Sabathia is not really attentive you can knock him for being heavy but he is seriously productive. He throws 7-8 innings nearly every time out and occasionally he throws a CG. How many pitchers in this day and age go consistently deep in games. I can count them on one hand Halladay,Webb,Wang(pre injury) and C.C. thats about it 4 or 5 guys who go deep into games on a regular basis. Next year when Pettitte retires who takes over his 180-200 IP Joba cant Phil franchise cant and IPK cant so everyone who is devoted to the farm consider the ramifications of relying on guys who have pitch limits and innings limits thats not a recipe for success. This season is already lost but 09 should not suffer as well, simply to keep to this pipe dream of a plan of 5 starters under 25 throwing 200 innings its not happening!
There is a huge difference now between the Santana trade and this one,
1. The Yankees would have had to give up Melky and Hughes.
2. They would have had to come up with $140 million right then.
With Sabathia, the Indians don’t need a CF, they need pitching and maybe a corner outfielder and/or trading chips like Tabata.
I say that Kennedy and Tabata and Horne gets it done with 1 or 2 throw ins. If its a rental the Yankees get 2 #1 round draft picks, if CC does great the Yankees sign him to a long term deal and have a legitimate #1 with Joba and Wang and Hughes for the future.
I have a weird feeling CC is going to accept a long term extension with Cleveland this week or at least start negotiations with them on one.
I don’t have any inside info, but I gotta believe that Shapiro is smart enough to go to CC and his agent and tell them they’re going to trade him soon if he doesn’t sign an extension with them.
If CC doesn’t want to leave Cleveland, he has to agree with them on a cost effective extension, otherwise he’ll be traded soon.
If he wants to be a Yankee, he just has to sit back and hope Cashman makes a fair offer that gets Shapiro to bite.
And don’t think for a second that Theo isn’t preparing his lists to counter the Yankees and drag this thing. The longer trade discussions go on, the longer CC isn’t a Yankee.
It’s in Theo’s best interest to throw up as much static as possible and keep the Yankees without someone to fill Wang’s shoes.
As for the other options, some of you guys are nuts.
Sheets isn’t on the market. He’s not available. It’s never been reported Mil is open to dealing him. That team still thinks it has a shot to contend. Forget him.
Harden is a bigger double whammy. He’s an injury risk on a Pavano scale and he’ll cost a ton in prospects. Forget him.
Peavey also isn’t available. You’re plucking names out of thin air that aren’t on the market or in many cases won’t be on the market.
Wang is a crushing blow, but if our GM is up to the task, he can fix this. The minors are stocked with enough talent and in some cases similar talent, that we can absorb a big trade.
It’s time to see what Cashman is made of. He owes it to his vets to give them the best chance to win.
The league is wide open this year. We can win. We just need a solid, if not spectacular, replacement for Wang.
Let’s see what he does.
I’m pessimistic in him because I don’t think he can handle making the big/fair trade, but let him prove me wrong here.
Would Seattle be willing to trade Bedard?
“Uh yes, yes they did
Mariners fire Bavasi”
Damn!!! So much for my “Fleece Bavasi” plan lol.
Well I guess that makes Kenny Williams the worst active GM in the game now, hmmm do the White Sox have anyone they might be looking to trade?
Hughes is out until August. He’s not an option. He’s also winless this season. He’s part of the problem, not part of the solution.
The Padres just signed Peavy to an extension. He’s not going anywhere.
Eric Bedard is one of the worst teammates in baseball. He also has a chronic hip condition.
Bill Bavasi also got fired today. Who knows what the new GM will do in Seattle.
Oswalt? No trade clause, no interest in NY.
Its a limited market. Sabathia, Meche, maybe guys like Gorzlanny or Zach Duke in Pittsburgh.
It will be interesting to see where the Yankees go on this one. Tough calls all around.
Micheal Kay is campaigning Hughes for Oswalt
“OF COURSE WE PANIC 3 OF OUR STARTERS ARE ON THE DL!!”
As far as I’m concerned, 1 of our starters is on the DL. Rasner and Giese have been more deserving.
I know I’m in the minority about this, but something about Sabathia makes me uneasy. All the mileage on his arm and the fact that he hasn’t exactly shown himself to be a playoff juggernaut…I don’t know. And I just looked at his numbers vs. the Red Sox. Not that great. Looks like Manny likes to see him. But yes, I realize you could say that about many a pitcher. I think I just feel so burned by so many of the trades and acquisitions lately that I’m just worried about everything. And oh, please, no one NL lifers.
Steve Philips about to give his who I will trade for in the next update.
This needs to be fixed internally,, or make the trade for JAKE PEAVY!!! JUST coming off an injury, padres are out maybe we can get him for decently low value
When Wang comes out of the boot, he will have to strengthen his leg as well as his arm. I don’t think we’ll see him pitch until 2009. Or at least not effectively. The Yankees should try to acquire C.C. Even if they can’t resign them, they would get Cleveland’s 1st draft pick along with a supplemental 1st round pick.
One more rotation and that would’ve dropped.
SJ44, let’s just say that I don’t get personally offended when the team gives misinformation. I’m a big girl, and it’s not like I’m a beat writer.
I also believe in the FO and the team’s ability to overcome the situation. If we can overcome Jason Giambi’s early season, Robinson Cano, injuries to key players, and disappointing starts from Hughes and Kennedy they can do it.
If people think it’s over, then just tune in next season. Otherwise, why watch?
I’m the Pollyanna who can deal with reality.
“I’m pessimistic in him because I don’t think he can handle making the big/fair trade, but let him prove me wrong here.”
I think he’s perfectly capable of overpaying, which is essentially what it looks like you want him to do for CC.
A fair deal is definitely feasible. Read SJ44’s posts in the previous thread for some ideas.
If the Indians want to screw Cashman, he should just hang up and wait.
Wang fortunately is not out for the season, he’ll be back in time for the stretch run. All we have to do is stay within 2-3 games of a spot by then and we get Wang AND Hughes back for September to make a huge run.
Don’t forget, this team has won 5/6 games. They still have 4 quality starters in their rotation, Bruney will be back soon to bolster the recently strong pen, and their full lineup is on the field. Losing Wang will hurt, but not as much as many think as long as Pettitte carries some of the load and Rasner pitches better again, and if Kennedy comes back and is serviceable, we won’t miss a beat.
Losing A-Rod and Posada hurt far more than Wang, on defense and offense. We have our full lineup healthy and going and nearly our full pen to pick up the slack on the 5th day now. We’ll be fine.
I wonder if this injury was caused by his calf problem from earlier. Injuries like this don’t just “happen”, it had to be building and he just aggravated it all at once. I’d think that the mild calf strain made him change his delivery slightly, which would explain his struggles for most of May and his subsequent injury to his foot, which makes sense considering he probably changed the way he pushed off to avoid pain, resulting in injury and balls up in the zone.
If the Yankees want to make it to the playoffs, or win the world series they’ll need a #1 pitcher. If we want to stay a .500 team, then sure, an league average pitcher will do just fine.
I think this is the perfect time to blame someone. ITS ALL GIRARDIS FAULT! Those spring trainin wind sprints took its tole on Wangs foot and the obvious cause of his injury. Oh and lets blame Meachum as well. Just because he’s been the scape goat this year. Meachum being Meachum.
You also all realize the first call Cashman is going to make is to Igawa.
Get ready for Kei people. Cashman will shove him down our throats until the fans and media run Igawa out of town again.
i think i could help the yankees;
1.i have a bad back now
2.my fastball tops 57 mph
3.uselly when i run the bases i tweek something but not to much to go on the dl
4.i could pitch more than 4 innings(doesnt matter how many runs i give up)
5.i dont slide head first to first base
6.i am as good as any sucker the yanks will sign the next few days!
Horne isn’t an option for another month — he’s working his own way back from an injury that caused him to lose all of May. McCutchen can’t keep the ball in the yard against AAA hitters thus far, that means if he faces the RedSax he’ll be set up for another Chase Wright moment of infamy. He needs at least another 3-4 starts to prove he can avoid big innings, which dogged him in each of his first four AAA starts.
You want a step-up guy, then the Yanks should move Alfredo Aceves to AAA and see if he can continue his Joba Jr impression at that level for a month. If he does, then they can slide him to the rotation and see what we have between him, IPK, Giese and Rasner. It’s not like the Yanks haven’t made a big run with a make-shift staff before (2004, with El Duque and Loaiza; 2005, with rookie Wang, Chacon and Aaron Small). It’s certainly possible now that the team has Posada back. Don’t underestimate how much his mere presence improves the team.
No Cano trade, period. Right now it seems like he can cover 3/4 of the infield by himself (and with Jeter’s weakness to his left, and Giambi’s immobility, Cano almost has to), so if he gets up to .275 by the end of the year, the offense will be very good.
I don’t think the Indians would trade CC without getting Melancon, Jackson and someone like Jesus Montero — our possible closer in 2011 (also a possible Joba II in the back of the bullpen this year), top outfield prospect and top catching prospect. They won’t want Betances — he’s been shut down for the past three weeks due to shoulder problems and his control is awful.
“It will be interesting to see where the Yankees go on this one. Tough calls all around.”
Yes - but for the first time in a long time do I still feel confident after a big Yankee injury. The Yankees lost Rodriguez, they fell apart. Posada? They fell apart.
The Yankees have soo much pitching depth in their system that this is a once-every-5-day loss they can afford. If not? Go get a Garcia, Gorzellany, whoever. The Yankees have a big game pitcher in Pettitte, a solid starter in Moose, and Joba has been FANTASTIC and will only get better. Rasner? C’mon, he is outpitching Maine.
SJ: I like the idea of looking to trade with Pittsburgh or Kansas City–they’ve got some pitchers that can fill the role.
Trading your top prospects for CC isn’t the way to go. The guys have options in the minors to try out. panicking and going after CC isn’t the solution to the problem. It’s a last resort to this problem.
It will be a last resort. The Yankees are not going to do any external trading. You can see why fans panic though. Fans panic and teams keep their cool. Why would the Yankees go after a starter when they have two waiting in the wings and more possibilities below?
Teams end up making sense. Fans don’t have to make sense.
If the yankees can get a pitcher to throw league average innings in place of Wang and he wins some games with support of the offense it puts the yankees in a much, much better position at the trade deadline.
If they can slot in a decent guy to fill in for wang over the near term than they at least won’t be desperate.
They’ll have a need. But they won’t be desperate.
The trade issues are secondary right now as its still too early for teams to right themselves off for the wild card.
They need to find a guy internally to fill this void.
You aren’t going to “replace” a guy like Wang quickly if at all. But you can hope to fill in his spot with acceptable level of performance.
And once again, this injury points out the importance of depth. You trade for a Santana or even CC and you give up a ton of talent you are putting a lot of risk on that one arm.
All pitchers are at high risk for injuries. The only way to combat that is to build a deep rotation and have depth in the minors.
The yankees are in the process of doing that. Wang’s injury is not going to make them completely change this approach.
I don’t know who is going to join the rotation but I do think the team is going to be OK.
They may not get someone who will pitch like a “#1″ but they will add a guy who will pitch OK and who will keep them in the game enough to let the offense win.
What do you guys think of Brian Bannister?
Just Bring up Dan Robertson, then I will be happy.
What a bummer. Oh well. Let’s see what Cash can scrape together ala Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon.
No need to give up the farm. Someone like Blanton would be perfect. Eats up innings and has an era around 4.
why settle for mid-tier crap like sheets and harden? why not go for the big FAT MAN CC SABATHIA! He might be fat but hes better than all of the yankees pitchers right now including wang.
but i will only trade for him if he agrees to sign a long term deal! offer him santana money!
cashman cant afford to fold if he wants to keep his job. the yankees are winning and must continue momentum! GOOO
Let’s the buy the entire NL.
“No need to give up the farm. Someone like Blanton would be perfect. Eats up innings and has an era around 4.”
The As would likely ask more for Blanton than the Indians for CC
“2. They would have had to come up with $140 million right then.”
Tim,
The Yankees wouldn’t have had to come up with 140 million dollars “right then” for Santana. It would have been a multi-year contract. Do you think that the Yankees already gave A-Rod his 275 million dollar check?
what to you think of this trade. the yanks need pitching the mets need leadership in the clubhouse- trade johhny damon for john maine or mike pelfrey!
*david not dan
i think i could help the yankees;
1.i have a bad back now
2.my fastball tops 57 mph
3.uselly when i run the bases i tweek something but not to much to go on the dl
4.i could pitch more than 4 innings(doesnt matter how many runs i give up)
5.i dont slide head first to first base
6.i am as good as any sucker the yanks will sign the next few days!
Is it bad that I get kind of angry inside when you post?
“What do you guys think of Brian Bannister?”
The Mets released him so he must be good.
Obviously, there are untouchables, but the one of the reasons you build up a great farm system is when something like this happens. They can’t be afraid to trade their pieces away.
RAsner and Giese are spot starters.They can replace Hughes and Kennedy but not Wang.
REmember Mussina been good but he ain’t gonna win 20 games which he never did in he’s carrer and at age 39 I don’t think he can keep it up.
Sabathia is the Yankees way of making up the mistake of not getting Santana and thinking three rookies with not one year of major league expirence can be in the roataion.
Cleveland does not need a CF or a catcher, they have Allstars right now at those positions. They need pitching and good young pitching at that. Whether Betances is shut down right now or not he is still a legitimate top 5 prospect and would be accepted wholeheartedly by the Indians in any deal involving the Yankees. I would include him in discussions if I’m Cash for CC, you know that Horne, McCutchen, maybe Veras, Aceves, Marquez, Kennedy, even Melancon, or Cox would be in the discussions. 2 of them and someone like Tabata and some throw ins gets it done, imo.