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Yankees have a little wiggle room

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 16, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Let’s let history be our guide here. When Hideki Matsui and Gary Sheffield got injured in the spring of 2006, everybody clamored for Brian Cashman to make a move.

He did, about six weeks later when he obtained Bobby Abreu and Cory Lidle for four middling prospects. The price went down and Cashman made his move on July 30.

That could be the way he approaches this problem. The Yankees have eight days off between now and July 24. They will need a No. 5 starter on only four occasions. That gives Cashman roughly six weeks to make a trade.

Four starts? You can weather that. That assumes Pettitte, Mussina, Chamberlain and Rasner do their parts. The Yankees also should get a boost from their offense.

Don’t panic. Let the man do his job.

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The Yankees knew yesterday that Chien-Ming Wang had a significant injury. That was the opinion of trainer Gene Monahan and Dr. John Duggan, the doctor who examined Wang. If you read the newspapers, it was no secret.

“We were bracing for bad news,” Cashman said.

So why didn’t the Yankees just say so on Sunday? “We’re calling it a sprain,” Joe Girardi said at the time.

It’s just silly and leaves Girardi looking foolish. Injuries happen, it’s nobody’s fault. Just tell your fans what happened. What is the downside?

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240 Responses to “Yankees have a little wiggle room”

  1. Emobacca June 16th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    The worst part about this injury is that it makes talk radio unlistenable with people calling in with their dumbass trade proposals and the host pontificating his reasons on why he wants Bronson Arroyo

  2. jennifer- I got your back Girardi June 16th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Pete they didn’t do an MRI till today, what is Joe supposed to say?

  3. Oh Boy! June 16th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Good analysis Pete.

  4. miggs June 16th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Continued from the previous thread…. the obnoxious rude posts (at least most of them ) are someone impersonating my screenname.

    Jennifer… I didn’t make that comment about you FYI. Nor am I going to the game as the impersonator mentioned in the last thread. I live in San Diego so that would be a long trip to go to the Yankee game.

  5. Simon B. June 16th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Tip for Peter: Wang did have a sprain. That is what a sprain is. It’s a bad sprain, and Girardi didn’t know the extent of the damage yesterday, but he didn’t mislead or lie.

  6. Patrick Bateman June 16th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    I don’t know why people are comparing the Abreu situation with this situation.

    CC Sabathia is a free agent next year. Bobby Abreu had a year and a half left on his contract plus an option buyout plus Lidle’s contract.

    You’re comparing a guy who is due the remainder of 9M and a pair of players that were due over 30M. You’re comparing apples to oranges. Plus Sabathia is coming off a Cy Young season, is 27, and a lefty. Terrible comparison.

    Cashman wasn’t some hero for waiting out Abreu. The Phillies were dying to get rid of him and the Yankees were the only team able to eat that much money.

  7. jennifer- I got your back Girardi June 16th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    miggs than someone impersonated you the other day as well. Email Pete let him take care of it.

  8. Peter Abraham June 16th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Jennifer:

    How about the truth? The doctor told them what it was, as Cashman said today. Why not say, “We don’t know for sure until tomorrow, but it doesn’t look good. He appears to have a serious injury.”

    They wouldn’t even acknowledge that he was going on the DL. I can understand hiding a minot injury, or if a reliever isn’t available for a given night. What possible upside was there to saying, “it’s a sprained foot.”

    Right, and Joe Theismann had a bruised leg when LT hit him.

    Meanwhile, Wang is the biggest celebrity in Taiwan, where people have spent millions on Yankees stuff. How about letting them know how their guy was doing?

    I just don’t understand it. We all got the story anyway, it just leaves them looking silly.

  9. andy Hawkin's ghost June 16th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    I guess that Joba move really came at the right time. Losing the Wanger is tough but me thinks this is going to work out in the long run. Like I keep saying, this season is really a prep for ’09.

    GO BOMBERS!

  10. S.A.- No pain..no gain June 16th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    They probably didn’t wanna say anything until they knew 100% for sure, which I have no problem with
    The only way that was gonna happen was with an MRI and furthur examination
    Also, he didn’t lie or anything, a lisfranc injury is a sprain

  11. Peter Abraham June 16th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    Simon: Yes he did know. Listen to what Cashman said today. It’s on WFAN.com.

  12. pat June 16th, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    This fan has no problem with what Girardi said.

    I personally prefer fact rather than speculation and in the absence of an MRI, it would have just been speculation.

  13. Angel June 16th, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    But the Yankees said it was a sprain – which it is – they just didn’t elaborate on the degree of it. I’m a fan, and I don’t think they look foolish or disingenuous for not speculating anything beyond that. Expecially without the benefit of either an X-Ray or MRI to confirm such a diagnosis.

  14. Peter Abraham June 16th, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    S.A.: He said, and I quote, “We’re not even sure he’ll need to go on the D.L.”

    Minutes before, the doctor told them he had a serious injury. Cashman said it today. I had several players tell me that and Wang himself acknowledged he had a serious injury.

    Just say, “We won’t know for sure until tomorrow, but it looks like a serious injury.” Just say what it is.

  15. TheKiid June 16th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    pete, you’re really reaching here. if joe said something to the effect of “wangs injury is pretty bad” and he had the mri today and it turned out to be a sprain… would u have something negative to say? probably. you dont say anything until you know EVERYTHING. period.

  16. jennifer- I got your back Girardi June 16th, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Pete Joe Girardi isn’t going to be an open book like Joe T. As a fan I don’t think there is anything wrong with that.

  17. JD(Duncan's arm bashes still hurt) June 16th, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    How do these guys get that hurt that easy. If I was Girardi I would have said it was a sprain too.Sliping on grass is not getting hit by LT.

  18. Enoch44 June 16th, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Teams usually are very vaugue until the MRI is performed. It’s standard operating procedure. Nobody looks foolish.

    Do people call Belichick a fool for having half his roster in the “questionable” category every week? No.

    Pete just knocks Girardi consistently. Whether its deserved or not.

  19. stuart June 16th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Peter you take Girardi on the injuries way way to personal…

    again he will not say anything until they are absolutley sure…….

    what roster move will the yanks do in the short term? Melancon called up? Or Robertson?

    thanks….

  20. BBB June 16th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Like others have said, as a fan I’m not at all offended by Girardi keeping his cards close to the vest until he knew anything concrete. I don’t think anyone would be making anything of the way Girardi handled this had he replaced any manager not named Joe Torre, either.

  21. bronxbomber77 June 16th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Do people call Belichick a fool for having half his roster in the “questionable” category every week? No.

    LOL. Belichick is a God to New England folks. Even with the fact they got caught cheating, the fans still love him!

  22. Simon B. June 16th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Peter: Let’s walk through this again.

    Yesterday
    Girardi: “We’re calling it a sprain.”

    Today
    Wang has a sprain.

    Exactly what are you complaining about again?

    I know when the doctors go into greater detail about the particular ligaments affected, it may confuse you, but that is the definition of a sprain.

    Girardi was not sure of the extent of it. Astros doctors said it potentially very serious, and he was aware of that. The MRI was today, and that fear was realized. So, essentially, the only thing Girardi did was not state outright that Wang was out for weeks—which is something that had not been confirmed until today.

  23. bphill June 16th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    nice work peter

  24. bronxbomber77 June 16th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Belichick slapped a big * on the Pats Dynasty with his cheating ways, and the fans up here still love him.

    They defend him just like they defend Manny for blowing off THE PRESIDENT and Walter Reed hospital.

    Classy folks, these New Englanders…

  25. Reno June 16th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    It’s going to take a miracle for Mussina and Rasner to continue to “do their parts.” I’d be surprised if either guy, let alone both, maintains the BB/9 rates that have kept them from being complete garbage.

  26. S.A.- No pain..no gain June 16th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    Peter-we will just have to agree to disagree on how Girardi handled it.
    As a fan, I don’t think “It’s just silly and leaves Girardi looking foolish at best”. But that’s just my opinion. :)

    Seriously, I’m just concerned about Wang getting better and what the Yankees are gonna do now.

  27. bronxbomber77 June 16th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Or course though, if Manny ever joined the Yankees or if Belichick left the Pats for the Jets, the same people that defend them would burn crosses in their yard, cook their bunny, and throw some sand in the gas tank.

    Just ask John Damon!

  28. jennifer- I got your back Girardi June 16th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Pete
    Put up a poll.

    Do you have a problem with Joe not being totally honest about injuries.

    Yes
    No

    I’d bet you’d have a good majority of fans voting No.

  29. BBB June 16th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    well I don’t care so much about the President, but Manny really blew off Walter Reed Hospital? Wow, what a dirtbag!

  30. MR YANKEES June 16th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    I THINK A TRADE FOR SABATIA MAKES NO SENCE HES GOIN TO THE FREE AGENT MARKET I THINK THE YANKEES WILL GO AFTER IF THEY DO JOE BLANTON THE GUY IS IN HIS LATE 2OS WILL TAKE LESS TO BRING HIM AND IN A COUPLE OF YEARS HE HAS EXPECTATIONS OF BEING A BIG TIME PITCHER MAYBE NOT THAT BIG BUT HE WILL FIT IN NICELY FOR THE YANKEES MABE A NUMBER 3 OR 4 STARTER MAYBE A DEAL FOR BLANTON WILL LIKELY BE IPK AND TABATHA WILL GET THE DEAL SEALD

  31. bronxbomber77 June 16th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Amen Jennifer!

    But then again, none of us are on a deadline or being paid for putting the information that Girardi has into a newspaper every morning like Pete here.

    So I understand his side as well.

  32. DOC June 16th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Pete – it would be a very opportune time to give an update on the Pavano rehab situation. Even if little to no progress has been made (wouldn’t be surprised), inquiring Yankee fan minds want to know.

    Thanks!

  33. RhapsodyInBlue June 16th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    A non issue Pete.

    We all expected the MRI to tell us what we all suspected.

  34. RSM June 16th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Pete,
    Love this blog and the job that you do. That said, I disagree concerning Joe G. My take is that he didn’t want to say too much until there was a firm diagnosis and prognosis. Trust me (as a physician) that sometimes injuries aren’t as bad as they first seem, and vice versa. It’s best not to speculate until you really know what you are dealing with.
    Sometimes you guys come off as pretty hard on Joe G. It’s understandable given that Torre was completely frank with the media for the last 12 years (to the chagrin of Cashman). It’s unfair to expect Girardi to be exactly the same personality as Torre was.

  35. BBB June 16th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Reno: Right, because Mussina doesn’t have any track record whatsoever that proves he can sustain success for a prolonged period of time. Good call.

    Ya know, as much as I want Moose to continue his success b/c it helps the team, I equally want him to continue it just to spite everyone who says he can’t or won’t.

  36. bronxbomber77 June 16th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Manny and Taveras.

    Mr. Yankees? LOSE THE CAPS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  37. miggs June 16th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    I don’t see what the big deal is with Giradi being vague about injuries.

    My reasoning is that the truth always comes out, and its usually the next day (Bruney, Alby, etc.) It may even be coming from the front office…. they may not want him to announce anything until they check it out completely.

    Either way, I’m not sure how it affects anything. The Yankees make things public when they want to. That’s the way its always been. They aren’t changing now.

  38. Come back Wang! June 16th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Peter, you should just delete the knock on Girardi. He doesn’t have an MRI machine in his office for him to give you a better idea on the injury. He called it a sprain and it was a sprain and probably looked like a sprain at that point.

    Do you want him to cry and say “its over Wang is gone for good!”? Would that make you feel better? Girardi said the right things yesterday and a good manager would do that.

  39. stanzy June 16th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    What Girardi said doesn’t bother me at all. Doesn’t make him look foolish, it makes him look overly-cautious, at worst. And who, exactly, would it have helped if he said last night that “it might be very serious?” We’d all still have spent today waiting on the results of today’s tests. All of the comments would still have been about how to replace Wang, if necessary. And Pete, you wouldn’t have had the chance to look like you knew more that what was being said. So what’s the problem?

  40. Mr. Faded Glory June 16th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Did someone get the license plate of the bus that Pete just threw Girardi under?

  41. Hendo June 16th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    it doesn’t make him sound foolish. He was trying to be as optimistic as he could in that situation. Why should they jump to conclusions and give a diagnosis of an injury before the MRI? A doctor can look at the surface all they want but they can’t SEE what happened on the inside. If you ask me they would look dumber if they said it was something severe and then the MRI showed it was hardly anything at all.

  42. Jonathan Everett June 16th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Sorry everyone here, Pete is right. Joe has not been the greatest at telling the fans what is going on. I can only imagine the shoes he is in, facing the media and everything else all day, but man up. I would rather look like a fool in saying “it’s going to be bad” and have it turn out to be better. I agree, put up a poll.

  43. Come back Wang! June 16th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    If Girardi said “it looked serious and he’s probably gone for a while” and it turned out to be a sprain then Pete would say how disingenuous he looked anyway. It’s a no win situation with the NY media.

  44. Jeff June 16th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Why give other teams any advatange? Yes, Girardi knew he was seriously injured, but he didn’t feel like telling the public yet. I would’ve done the same thing. Girardi also does the right thing by not saying which pitchers are available and which aren’t. He shouldn’t have even said how many pitches Joba could throw when he was on a pitch count.

    Yankees are going to be fine. Do not make any panic trades. Our offense will carry us and our starting pitching will be better than everyone thinks.

  45. Jeff NJ June 16th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Pete, you seem off base on this. We saw the question on YES, Joe was frustrated and it’s not like he lied, he said that Wang had a sprain, we’re awaiting results on Monday. After the results came out, a more detailed analysis of the sprain is known. You are being unnecesarily hard on him. Sounds like you are a bit frustrated that your favorite player got hurt.

    As for the injury, I have to say, I was more concerned with A Rod and Jorge’s injuries. I guess it’s the everyday player vs. every fifth day player thing. The Yankees will find a servicable 5th starter and eventually make a trade, I am more than ok with that.

  46. S.A.- No pain..no gain June 16th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Come on Hamels. Get it together!

  47. Come back Wang! June 16th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    I hope the Yankees shoot Aceves up the system a little faster, let him get his feet wet in AAA. He might be needed. I hope this doesn’t turn into a trade the farm for one pitcher type of season.

  48. bronxbomber77 June 16th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Maybe Girardi can change the muffler on the bus you threw him under…

    You want to kick his dog while your at it?

  49. Jonathan Everett June 16th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    One last thing to everyone posting. It is funny that you say Pete is taking shots at Joe, but just about every one of you are taking shots at Pete. Interesting…

  50. Will June 16th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Pete…you are whining reporter. Girardi did tell the truth yesterday. He said he didn’t wan’t to say anthing definitive until doing all the necessary tests. Stop trying to create controversey where it doesn’t exists. The real story is why in hell Meacham sent Wang home on the play.

    If you keep whining about Girardi and injuries, I really hope Joe G. bans you from the clubhouse. I think the Yankees can survive the loss of LoHuds mighty circulation.

  51. Tom June 16th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Peter, your dislike of Girardi shines through more and more with every post.

  52. bronxbomber77 June 16th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    What a ritual this has turned into:

    -Pete trashes Girardi.

    -Blog fans trash Pete.

    -Pete fights with his OWN fans.

    The circle of hate continues….

    I see your point, you have a job to do, but geesh, calling him foolish is a low blow, no?

  53. Boston Dave June 16th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Pete,

    It’s a valid point but you know that’s how Girardi is. He’s been like that all season. Why is it still bothering you? Did you believe him yesterday?

    It’s not a big deal, is it? You know not to listen to Girardi the day of an injury. Wait til the next day to get the answer.

    I can’t say why he doesn’t just be straight from the start, but I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. I certainly don’t think it warrants calling him a fool.

  54. JoeT 28 in 09!! June 16th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    I agree with what some1 posted yesterday – this isn’t football – in football if someone gets hurt you can exploit it. If Wang is hurt he’s not going to play… if Joe G said his foot is broken and he’s out for the year, and then the Yankees pitched him a month from now, that doesn’t affect the game he pitches in any way – the other team will still have to hit the ball. There’s no reason to hide an injury in baseball.

    I’m not saying Joe G is right or wrong, but there’s no reason to hide it if you know.

  55. Boston Dave June 16th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Pete is right… I just don’t think this needs to be a big deal. Accept that Girardi isn’t going to reveal much and wait a day to hear from Cashman.

    I’m not going to lose sleep over that.

  56. Valvone June 16th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Pete with a shot at Girardi?? I don’t believe it.

    Can they get an MRI and find out exactly what is wrong before the team speculates?

    And it is a sprain isn’t it????

    Leave the prejudices at the door.

  57. Boston Dave June 16th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    yikes

    Fox 5 Las Vegas reports that Raiders WR Javon Walker was found unconscious on Flamingo Boulevard just off the Las Vegas strip early Monday morning.

  58. JD(Duncan's arm bashes still hurt) June 16th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Pete doesn’t get paid to wait till the next day for info.

  59. Boston Dave June 16th, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Fox 5 Las Vegas reports that Raiders WR Javon Walker was found unconscious with an “orbital fracture” on Flamingo Boulevard just off the Las Vegas strip early Monday morning.

    The Las Vegas Review Journal spotted Walker Saturday night at the Wynn spraying Dom Perignon Rose champagne he ordered.

  60. Larry June 16th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    yikes

    Fox 5 Las Vegas reports that Raiders WR Javon Walker was found unconscious on Flamingo Boulevard just off the Las Vegas strip early Monday morning.

    Great news on a YANKEE BLOG. ??

  61. stuart June 16th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    peter again relax on the I hate Giradi routine.

    torre didn’t just talk he talked to damn much.

    I watched Girardi yesterday talk about Wang and I had no problem with it and he did not mislead..

    You are a Pats fan, who the hell is your coach??The guy wont answer a question about what day of the week it is……..

    Yeah Torre is a genius, just ask all Dodger fans here in LA… talent wins end of story…….

    Peter just admit it you liked to be stroked by the manager and it is not Girardi’s nature, man cool out…

  62. Rocco June 16th, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    who cares? He’s injured. It sucks. Lets move on and leave girardi alone. his job is difficult enough.

  63. Valvone June 16th, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    I understand beat writers want the info right then but the team didn’t even know the extent.

    Why would they speculate before an MRI???

  64. Boston Dave June 16th, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    “Pete doesn’t get paid to wait till the next day for info.”

    I imagine Pete gets paid to report the info he can get and offer his own informed analysis. Since the Yankee org is one of his main sources, I guess he gets paid to wait until they give him that info. today. tomorrow. next week. whenenver that may be.

  65. Wolf In Pinstripes June 16th, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Girardi is hardly into the toddler stage of his life as a manager, so I’m not really surprised that he gets caught in gaffes occasionally. That doesn’t necessarily make it more palatable, but I do think he’s still learning on the job – and in the biggest pressure pot of them all. My opinion is that he’s doing well with all things considered. The true test for me will be how he acts next year with a full year of managing in NY in his rearview mirror.

  66. Boston Dave June 16th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    “Great news on a YANKEE BLOG. ??”

    yeah, i guess its not appropriate for this blog… but i was shocked when i saw it.

    not to mention the current topic needs to be changed IMMEDIATELY.

  67. Valvone June 16th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    We get it, Pete.

    You don’t like Girardi.

  68. Sudakis June 16th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Looks like McCutcheon would fit in best with the Yankees – he’s already been suspended for PEDs in the minors in 2006.

  69. Don Vito A. Bellamo June 16th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    This post is for all the BoSux trolls that waste their lives on this blog : Bartolo Colon left tonight’s game with the Phillies with an injured back…..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!
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  70. Simon B. June 16th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    I don’t think Peter has grasped that sprains can be more than a mild twist of the ankle which keeps you out for a week. It all depends upon the damage done to the ligaments affected. Girardi used a fairly generic word because he did not know how bad it is. Is that so hard to grasp?

    They did not know the extent of the damage until today. Why do you think they have MRI’s, Peter? Doctors can’t see into the ligaments with their bare eyes. Certainly, they were suspicious that it was a major injury, but they are all suspicions until actual tests are done. Girardi said it was a sprain. He said it might be serious. What the hell else do you want?

  71. Valvone June 16th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Why would the manager speculate on the extent of the injury before the team ran tests on said injury?

    How can you possibly have a problem with this?

  72. stanzy June 16th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Also, Joe G said, “we’re calling it a sprain,” making it obvious that he knew it could be something (potentially much) worse. Reporters ask him the same question, 10 different ways, to try to get more information than he’s comfortable giving. Yeah, that’s part of the job. But in response, he tries to say nothing, 10 different ways. “We’re not even sure he’ll need to go on the D.L.,” is just another way of saying, “I’m not saying anything specific.”

    I agree that he *could* have said, “But, man, it did look bad,” and it would have been fine. But that’s not his style. No big deal.

  73. JoeT June 16th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Pete,

    Long time reader, first time poster. I know many Yankee fans and not one of them has a problem with what Giradi said after the game. The prudent course of action was to wait for the results of the tests before they revealed his condition. You seem to have it in for Giradi. And don’t give me the lame excuse about how you’re trying to get info for the fans. This is all about your ego.

  74. Russ June 16th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    “I’m a fan, and I don’t think they look foolish or disingenuous”

    Ditto. So far no one really seems to care about this much except Pete.

  75. MoBoy June 16th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    The Yankees have wiggle room if Joba can strikeout more then he walks,Pettitte can actually pitch good against a top 10 team (not a NL team),Rasner shows he more then a spot starter, and Mussina can pitch as good in the second half as he’s first half.

    BUt the offense is what will help this team.The only thing Mussina has simliar to the other 5 double digit win pitchers is just the wins not the other stats.

    Sabathia:)

  76. Igawa's buck teeth June 16th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Whatever I dont care anymore just another season gone by with nothing to so for it.

  77. Kyle,CT June 16th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Good lord, when will you stop bashing Girardi? “Looking foolish”? Are you kidding? You’re really reaching this time. Do you really think he should have started guessing before any tests had been preformed?

  78. Tommy H June 16th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    Love the blog, this is the first time I’m posting…I’m not all that concerned with the timetable for announcing injuries, and I didn’t think Girardi was wrong for saying what he said. I don’t think there was that much time for him to get a full report from the trainers before he met with the media, so he may have been uncomfortable going in depth.

    In terms of only needing 4 starts from a fifth starter (a great piece of info and why I visit the blog dozens of times daily) I am more concerned about the 18 starts we thought were going to be made by Wang that are now being made by Rasner. I’m ready to give up some future to help us this year, that is also a function of a good system after all-

  79. farnsworthy June 16th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    yes, another anti-girardi post. next time maybe you should make an article about joe torre’s success in LA.

  80. beezr June 16th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    A beat writer’s purpose is to get information. A beat writer who is good at that, like Pete(give the devil his due) gets recognition, advances and eventually gets paid as a result. The fallacy in all of this is Pete’s and other beat writer’s contention that’s it’s the public’s ‘right to know’ that is driving their hunger for information, instead of the chance for person advancement. The Taiwanese people spend a lot of money on t-shirts, so Girardi should spill his guts? I don’t see it. Would Girardi would be doing the majority of Yankee fans a disservice if he made his decisions based on how many t-shirts certain people bought.

  81. BBFan June 16th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    “So why didn’t the Yankees just say so on Sunday? “We’re calling it a sprain,” Joe Girardi said at the time.

    It’s just silly and leaves Girardi looking foolish. Injuries happen, it’s nobody’s fault. Just tell your fans what happened. What is the downside?”

    You are unbeleivable Pete. When I need some one to find a needle in a hay stack, you will be my first choice.

  82. thunderfangabe June 16th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    A lot of people have a problem with what Pete writes and the way he writes it, but you know what…they are still READING and they are still WRITING.

    A lot of people don’t have a problem with what Pete writes and the way he writes it, but you know what…they are still READING and they are still WRITING.

    Either way, Pete is doing his job and generating conversation. That’s what Freedom of Speech is all about.

  83. tonyb June 16th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    I don’t really fault Girardi for what he said. I had a bad ankle sprain in high school once and I could barely walk on it for a couple of weeks and was in an aircast for over 2 months until it regained strength. Ruined my ability to play tennis for the team that season.

    Girardi is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. If he is too liberal with what he says he looks like a fool the next day for being a “doctor”.

  84. BBFan June 16th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    “Just say, “We won’t know for sure until tomorrow, but it looks like a serious injury.” Just say what it is.”

    Girardi clearly said that he did not want to specualte and they will know more after the MRI and tests. That is not good enough? This what is called selective amnesia.

    You are making too much ado about nothing. What has Girardi done to you that you can not get over?

  85. miggs June 16th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

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  86. trem June 16th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

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  87. jennifer- I got your back Girardi June 16th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    Great game on espn! 8-2 Phillies :) Timlin is Toast!

  88. jennifer- I got your back Girardi June 16th, 2008 at 8:59 pm

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  89. YankeeVIP June 16th, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    ill give girardi the benefit of the doubt on how he handles discussing injuries to the media.

    there are plenty of reasons you can think of, i guess the biggest is you dont want to tip off your weakness to other teams if you wanted to make trade inquiries.

    when posada went down and girardi said it was no big deal, moeller was on waivers.. if you announced posada as seriously hurt, somebody could have picked him up just to make a deal with the yanks. not saying this is why he does it.. but its always better to keep information like this closer to the vest if you can

    nfl teams rarely ever give accurate information on player injuries.. nobody seems to care.

  90. Valvone June 16th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    “Either way, Pete is doing his job and generating conversation. That’s what Freedom of Speech is all about.”

    Who made this a freedom of speech case????

    Pete can say anything he wants. He should also be called out when he says things like this. Things that are foolish coming from a beat writer who should know better.

  91. Valvone June 16th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Girardi really must have done something to Pete.

    I’d love to know what it is.

  92. Dewey June 16th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    I knew exactly what Joe Girardi would say after the game. If anyone has been listening to him all year, its the same. He always covers up for what could be bad. This happened earlier this season with Posada in Cleveland. Yesterday was Girardi’s chance to be “open” with us and let us know it might be “serious” – but he did not. He gave us his typical response.
    Why are you all so up in arms on Pete? I would actually back him up and want to know why there is not a little more honesty when Wang is being driven off in a golf cart and could not walk without crutches? Anyone with a little common sense would know that is more severe than a “sprain” and once again when one of his big players goes down, he looks a little silly.

    Thats just my perspective as a fan.

  93. jennifer- I got your back Girardi June 16th, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    Of course he is going to leave the park on crutches, they didn’t do an mri on it.

  94. deadrody June 16th, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    Oh, and for the record, Dr. Pete, a mild sprain is still a partial tear, be it a ligament, tendon, or muscle. So, in fact, Girardi was accurate in his description.

    But by all means, keep on arguing with the fans you think should be upset over this but aren’t. I’m sure you’ll convince us all how very wrong we are and how exceptionally right you are all the damn time.

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  96. BBB June 16th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    excellent game on ESPN. Even prior to his getting hurt….Colon falling to pieces as soon as he has to face a good hitting lineup?! What a surprise, I didn’t see that one coming!

  97. Dr. Joe Pepitone June 16th, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    I think what is foolish is a sportswriter “speculating” that he could have torn his achilles over a manager calling it a sprain which is what it was.

    I’m curious, how the heck did you ever come up with that “speculation” Pete? I don’t know how you could tell by the way he “pulled up” that it could have been an achilles. Maybe you should have waited for the MRI before accusing Girardi of withholding information.

    Leave the guy alone already. He’s responsible for putting out statements and obviously the team was hoping for the best. Nothing was misleading about what he said was the injury.

    This reminds me of the whole strained calf discussion a month ago. Just because the word sounds “nice” doesn’t mean it is what it is, which is a tear. Wang has a sprain which is exactly what was told to us. Nobody can know the severity until the MRI is done.

  98. BBFan June 16th, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    “Girardi will learn, I hope. It was like the other day. Cano was 0 for 17 and we all talked to Kevin Long, who said how much Robbie was struggling and really needed a day off. When asked about Cano not playing Girardi said, “Oh, he’s just getting a rest.” ”

    Pete, give up.
    You made yourself a bigger fool with your stubborn responses. As you can see above, many who always defended you are questioning you on this. It is almost like 95% to 5% questioning you.

  99. Tom June 16th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Any manager would have treated the situation the same way. Joe doesn’t foolish in the slightest.

  100. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    I kinda agree with Pete Cash will make a deal when 4-5 weeks from now Cleveland is in 4th place and 15 games out of first. Good point that the Yanks only need a fifth starter 4 times that makes things a bit better. Problem is I understand Giese was God-like at SWB and has been fine here but none of those innings up here were starting. Perhaps Giese gives us a couple of ok starts but when IPK or Horne is ready(I say give Horne a shot)they should fill that spot immediately.

  101. JR Yankees June 16th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    I can certainly understand the frustration on both sides of this argument, but the personal attacks are a little ridiculous.

    Are we forgetting that everybody here…with the exception of some random trolls…have one common goal in mind, Yankees winning another World Series.

  102. deadrody June 16th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Yeah, achilles, that’s a good one. Every single athlete I have ever seen tear an achilles went down to the ground immediately. Anyone that saw Wang limping on the bases and thought “torn achilles” is a moron, and that is being generous.

  103. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    If Pete doesn’t like Girardi then its his opinion you guys have likely never had to interact with Joe on a daily basis maybe he isn’t a nice guy who knows. Why fight over Wang injury speculation now we all know the truth the banter should be over lets move forward as fans and buck up until the solution is found. We do know that Wang is out until at least late August and that is bad but its happened and thats the end of it. I dont need Lil Steinny running his mouth about how interleague is a sham because some people like it and some dont until it is done away with everyone should deal. If he wants to prove his determination and passion to the fans instead of complaining about the wrongs of pitchers hitting he should go out and force Cashman to send out a haul to pick up C.C. and then sign him to a big, fat, Yanks type contract. Thats what Daddy woulda done so show us that Jr. can handle his team or shut your mouth.

  104. Passerby June 16th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Pete, thanks for defending the Taiwanese people’s right to know.

    But do you know what happens when Wang plays an afternoon game, which is during the night for us in Taiwan? When I get up in the morning, if I have to switch from channel to channel several times to find out how he fared and still can’t find anything, then I know that he has lost. If it’s a win, then I don’t even have to switch channels.

    Where Wang is concerned, the Taiwanese media is more likely to report the good news and try to hide, or at least delay giving us, the bad news.

    If you are reading, Pete, I have a question that has nothing to do with the Yankees but which I am sure you can answer with your journalistic experience. Our local TV channel which broadcasts the Yankees games (ESPN also broadcasts the games, 3 or 4 times a day) recently received news from the Dodgers that Taipei ranks third on a list of cities worldwide with the largest number of visitors to their website? I am sure they are telling the truth, but I find the fact hard to believe. Are the Dodgers so unpopular in the US that Taipei would rank third?

  105. T June 16th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    I’m curious – who were the 4 prospects the Yankees traded for Abreu? Looking down the road the Yankees should not trade any pitchers that might have potential, any strong relief pitchers (to replace Rivera) and any good catchers (to replace Posada). Anyone else I think is really fair game.

  106. Old Lady June 16th, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Pete, if you’re going to keep going after Girardi, you need to be smarter about it. Really now.

  107. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    T- They obviously haven’t done anything in the two years since that trade or else us Yankees fans would have had our nose rubbed in it by now. Abreu has played well if he hadn’t everyone would be googling those players to be honest I forget who they were.

  108. Jeremy June 16th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    What about Greg Maddux? He might be old, but he can still pitch, and can pitch in big spots down the stretch.

  109. JoeT June 16th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    I’m surprised that even 5% of the people agree with Pete. Its almost comical watching Pete whine about this.

  110. Bologma! June 16th, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    Someone is guilty, and it’s not Girardi.

  111. Al from BK June 16th, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    Jeremy- Dont get me wrong I love Maddux but he is pitching in the NL if he had to face the Bostons, Detroits, and Texas’ of the world he would have retired by now but for a great pitcher like him he can still win in the NL based on his smarts alone here I dont think he’d do well.

  112. Amandla June 16th, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Why do you y’all come around if you think Pete is such an idiot? Are you glutons for punishment or do you just like rallying around a common hate? All he’s saying (as the one who reports what these people say) is that it would be easier for everyone if they were forthcoming with information. I, personally, would rather not be lulled into a false sense of security. I would rather hear worse-case and be plesasntly surprised rather than the other way around. He didn’t have to put the x-ray up on the lights and get his pointer out but he could have said it looks to be a serious sprain at the very least. Go on and put up Jennifer’s poll Pete. Clearly she believes that the majority of Yankees fans are morons who will declare that they are fine with their manager not being honest with them. Now I’m curious.

  113. Old Lady June 16th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    “I would rather hear worse-case and be plesasntly surprised rather than the other way around.”

    In that case, Wang shattered his leg and was put down like a horse behind the third base bag.

  114. cs June 16th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Funny that u are upset with girardi for not telling u yesterday. I guess when u go to the doctor, he looks at u and says “u have xyz disease” and walks away without running tests. I also assume u r a shoot first ask questions later guy when it comes to most things. Sometimes saying something intelligent and accurate beats saying something immediately just to keep a beat writer in the know, regardless if “the know” is accurate.

  115. Angel June 16th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    I hate to break to you Amandla, but most yankee fans apparently are the morons you think they are. Because judging by the majority of responses here, they don’t seem to have a huge problem with how Girardi handled this particular situation. You appear to be in the minority, actually.

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  117. Old Lady June 16th, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    Let me see if I’m getting this right. Pete – and other beat writers – asked Girardi about Wang’s injury right after the game. Girardi said (to paraphrase) that he wasn’t sure about the specifics but “we’re calling it a sprain.”

    The MRI took place today, and it was in fact a sprain. A very bad sprain – which can be worse than a break (I speak from personal experience here) – but in fact a sprain.

    Where’s the problem here again?

  118. Abepeter June 16th, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    I agree with Pete. The Yankees would be better off if they wouldn’t be so ridiculously tight-lipped when its obvious that something bigger is taking place. Girardi could be a less circumspect and still not give anything away. He’s done it repeatedly with the rookie pitchers, Pettitte (Before the opener), Cano, Wang and other times. At some point you just don’t take anything Girardi says seriously and thats a problem.

    Related, I think the starting four will do fine short term. I just wonder if the Yankees will actually use just four pitchers with all of the off days. Usually with Pettitte and Mussina they like those extra off days. So, Pete, maybe that’s something you can ask Girardi about. “Will the Yankees use a four man rotation with the off days (and only use a fifth starter four times between now and 7/24) or will they go with a traditional five man rotation regardless of off days.”

    Lets see if you get a real answer.

  119. crawdaddie June 16th, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    Peter,
    Girardi used the term “sprain”, but the look on his face and the sound of his voice prepared us for worse news that would come out once the MRI was completed.

    As you can tell now, most fans didn’t have a problem with how Girardi presented the news to us. Now if it was his achilles heal that blew up then you would’ve had some grounds to go after him, but the term he used “sprain” was accurate and he made it clear to me that the MRI will determine if more damage was done to the foot.

  120. ellen June 16th, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Wow, the Kool-Aid fountain is flowing around here tonight. The doctor who examined Wang last night knew this was a serious injury, as did the Yankees trainer. There was no way that anyone involved believed that Wang would avoid the DL. Why lie about it? Exactly what strategic advantage is gained in this situation? And you’re getting on Pete because he’s telling it like it is? Sheesh.

  121. GreenBeret7 June 16th, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    It’s somewhat ironic that media personnel are complaining about the truth. Three professions that are less than truthful when it’s to their benefit are media personnel, lawyers and poiticians. Take a look at some of the stories in the papers that are at best, embellished and at worse, flat out lies made up to “get the scoop” or sell papers.

  122. crawdaddie June 16th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    Hey Ellen,
    If you watched the Yankees post game show you could tell that Girardi thought it was a significant injury too, but wasn’t going to speculate until the MRI was completed. You didn’t have to hear Girardi say it to know that something bad happened.

  123. Bob June 17th, 2008 at 7:40 am

    While we may only need a 5th starter a few times, we didn’t lose a 5th starter, we lost a guy who routinely goes 7-8 innings plus usually wins. Over the next 6 weeks, what will be the impact on the bullpen? That is the short term problem, really.

  124. Jeter's Future Wife June 17th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    the ESPN guys last nite were talking about Cashman being interested possibly in the new GM position in Seattle after his contract is up in NY.

    Could this be true? All the convincing he’s had to do to stick with the program and build from within and he’d leave it to someone else and go to, of all dreadful places, Seattle?

    Pete, say it isn’t so!

  125. Sean June 17th, 2008 at 10:54 am

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  126. george June 17th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    i enjoyed Pete’s post until he appended his apparently obligatory whining about how the Yankees don’t communicate injuries in the way he’d prefer.

    i mean when you’re complaining that the Yanks don’t announce the details until the MRI provides the details, it reveals you have a petty axe to grind.

  127. BrnxBmrs1 June 18th, 2008 at 12:24 am

    I love how reporters have a sense of entitlement. Newsflash….the Yankees DON’T have to come clean with you Pete. You are a writer, not the owner.

    Furthermore, what is Joe supposed to say….he’s out for the year and we are totally dead now…so feel free to ask for 10 of our best prospects on every deal…we are desperate! Of course he’s going to play it down. This IS a business Pete.

  128. Morris Buttermaker June 18th, 2008 at 8:59 am

    Guess the Yankees will be finishing behind the Red Sox AGAIN this year.

    What comes around goes around I say.

  129. BrnxBmrs1 June 18th, 2008 at 9:32 am

    Whatever Moron Butterball

  130. ohyankee June 19th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    WOW!! You’re getting bent out of shape and thinking the Yanks and Girardi look ridiculous because Joe said it was a sprain.

    First, I’m a huge NY fan and it doesn’t bother me. I’m smart enough to know that just because they say one thing, it doesn’t mean that after they do tests the result can be something else or more severe. That’s why they do the tests. If they “knew” what the injury was, why do the MRI?

    Second, living in Ohio I am surrounded by fans that hate, and I mean HATE, the Yankees. But not one single person has ripped them for calling it a sprain.

    So, fans don’t seem to mind and haters apparently don’t care. What’s your beef?

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