Game 72: Padres at Yankees
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- June
- 18
(Check the updates for news, including draft updates.)
YANKEES (38-33)
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Betemit 1B
Cabrera CF
Rasner RHP
Darrell Rasner (3-4, 3.64) has never faced any of the Padres.
Jake Peavy (5-3, 2.64) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees have won five straight and 8 of 10. … Yankee pitchers have thrown 20 consecutive scoreless innings. … A-Rod is 6 of 12 with seven runs scored, five RBI and three HRs in the last three games. … Robinson Cano is 5 of 8 since being benched on Saturday. … The Yankees have outscored their opponents 35-6 the last five games. … Yankees are 4-2 against the National League this season. … Wilson Betemit is 1 for 13 since June 5. … The bullpen has allowed five ERs in the last 34.2 innings. … The Yankees have homered in 10 straight games, belting 16 circuit clouts in that time.
Big start for Rasner, who has lost his last four. He gave up six earned runs against Oakland in his last start and lasted only 3.2 innings. Opponents have hit .326 against him the last four games with an .851 OPS. Now that Rasner is essentially the No. 4 starter, he needs to deliver.
Back later with some updates.
UPDATE, 4:19 p.m.: Hideki Matsui has a sore left knee, hence his exclusion from the lineup. “We’re giving him a day,” Girardi said. ‘zilla is available to pinch hit, however. … Your new long reliever: LaTroy Hawkins.
This press release from the Yanks:
The Yankees claimed RHP claimed right-handed pitcher Oneli Perez off waivers from the Cleveland Indians and optioned him to Double-A Trenton. Perez, 24, has appeared in 21 games combined this season at Triple-A Charlotte (White Sox) and Triple-A Buffalo (Indians) to go 0-1 with two saves and an 8.49 ERA (29.2IP, 48H, 28ER, 17BB, 34K) in his first action at the Triple-A level.
He was originally signed as a non-drafted free agent by the San Diego Padres in 2001 as a first baseman. Since converting to pitcher in 2003, Perez has gone 24-12 with 37 saves and a 2.65 ERA. In order to make room on the 40-man roster, the Yankees transferred right-handed pitcher Jonathan Albaladejo (right elbow stress fracture) to the 60-day disabled list.
UPDATE, 4:59 p.m.: The Yankees have signed Sidney Ponson to a AAA contract and he is en route to Scranton.
Ponson was 4-1, 3.88 for Texas in nine starts before getting released on June 17. This is what Rangers GM Jon Daniels said at the time:
“We’re trying to put together a team of 25 guys pulling together. Based on some recent comments, he did not want to be a part of that, and that’s something we’re not going to tolerate. We want guys who want to be here and want to pull for the team, and not guys who are here for their own self-interests.”
Sir Sidney was with the Yankees in 2006, lasting five games before getting DFA’d.
UPDATE, 5:04 p.m.: Turns out that Hideki Matsui is not “just getting a day.” According to Matsui, he has inflammation in his left knee and will be examined by a doctor later on today. He is not sure he can play tomorrow, but he hopes to.
Matsui had his right knee operated on last winter.
UPDATE, 5:05 p.m.: Here’s some exclusive draft news for you. Kyle Higashioka is in the clubhouse right now. He’s with SoCal area scout David Keith getting a look around the Stadium and meeting the players.
“First time in New York,” Higashioka told The Journal News. “This is really great.”
Higashioka has signed a letter of intent with the University of California. The catcher was taken by the Yankees in the seventh round of the draft out of Edison High in California.
The Yankeees are smart. Higashioka is in uniform, has the locker right next to Jorge Posada and he’ll take BP with the team. Think about how much that must impress an 18-year-old kid. Obviously it’ll come down to money. But this was the strategy the Yankees used with Carmen Angelini last season and it worked.
I’ll post more on Kyle after the game. But I will leave you with this. I asked him whether he had faced Gerrit Cole. “One time,” he said. I asked him how he did and he sort of smiled. “I hit a rocket,” he said.
You have to love a catcher who doesn’t back down. The Yankees haven’t started negotiations yet, Keith told me. But the visit to the Stadium usually works. Look for the Yankees to get this done.
UPDATE, 6:03 p.m.: Ponson will throw a bullpen for Scranton tomorrow and could start Saturday. He is a candidate to face the Mets in one of the doubleheader games.
Cashman spoke to Ponson today. “Hopefully what happened in Texas stays in Texas,” he said.
UPDATE, 6:06 p.m.: The Matsui story continues … he’s getting his knee drained today by team Dr. Stuart Hershon. There’s a chance he will be getting an MRI, too. “Whenever somebody is out of the lineup, I’m concerned,” Cashman said.
UPDATE, 7:11 p.m.: The game is being delayed by rain. I’ll let you know when it will start.
UPDATE, 7:19 p.m.: A little more draft news for you. The Yankees have signed fifth-round pick Chris Smith for slot money ($158,000). He’s the kid who hit .708 for Centennial HS in Compton, Calif. Damon Oppenheimer confirmed the signing earlier today. Baseball America’s web site (as it usually does) had the information first.
Yankees scout David Keith, who’s at the Stadium today, said that Smith had unusual strike-zone discipline for a player his age and could drive the ball to all fields. He did not play against a high level of competition, however.
Smith will be an interesting player to follow. I believe he will be assigned to the GCL Yankees in Tampa. The Yankees also inked outfielder Tom Baldridge, their 33rd round pick from Coastal Carolina.
UPDATE, 7:43 p.m.: They’re starting to pull the tarp. No word on a start time but likely shortly after 8 p.m.
UPDATE, 7:56 p.m.: Game time is now 8:20 p.m.
UPDATE, 8:29 p.m.: I get that Wilson Betemit has power and every few weeks he belts one out. But at what point does the fact that he’s not a very good baseball player start to matter? As Cashman said yesterday, the bench doesn’t matter much. But there’s got to be somebody more helpful than this guy.
That said, he’ll probably drive in three runs tonight.
UPDATE, 8:52 p.m.: The extra time off seems to have helped Darrell Rasner. He has fanned four of the seven batters he has faced. That’s two off his season high already.
UPDATE, 8:56 p.m.: Cano is 6 for 9 since his benching on Saturday. … Meanwhile Betemit will drive him in. Why? Because I said he was lousy earlier. You watch.
UPDATE, 8:58 p.m.: See? Pop-up double drops on the line and bounces into the stands. 2-0 Yanks.
UPDATE, 9:04 p.m.: Do they charge people to attend National League games? How does that work? The Padres appear to be sleeping.
UPDATE, 9:33 p.m.: That’s four homers in as many games for A-Rod. The Big G better hit one, too. … Meanwhile, we’re seeing why Sidney Ponson was signed. The bottom two guys in the rotation are Darrell Rasner and Dan Giese.
UPDATE, 10:20 p.m.: In an emotional moment here at the Stadium, “George, a Met Life Financial Advisor” pulled the countdown lever.
Apparently the homeless guy with the cart on the Deegan northbound ramp was busy. That’s like three Met Life employees who have done it this season. Did the Yankees give this thing any thought whatsoever?
UPDATE, 10:47 p.m.: There’s Edwar Ramirez in a nutshell. Strikes out three of five guys, then gives up a bomb. You can only fool Major League hitters for so long.
UPDATE, 10:49 p.m.: Ibid. 5-4 Padres.
UPDATE, 10:56 p.m.: Big hits by Jeter and Abreu. Yankees have to get six outs and need all the cushion they can get.
UPDATE, 11:01 p.m.: It’s like the Yankees can turn it on and off against these NL teams. Hmm, we’re only up one. Better score a few more. The offense is just relentless.
UPDATE, 11:10 p.m.: Maybe Sidney Ponson can pitch the eighth inning.
UPDATE, 11:25 p.m.: Like I said, Wilson Betemit (3 for 4, two runs scored, one RBI) stinks.
By the way, instead of a Hard Rock, the new Stadium needs to have a moat filled with giant snakes. That way they’ll have someplace to throw the guy who bangs on the pan. Is this New York or Arkansas?
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Let’s go, Razz!
would have been nice to matsui play against peavey.
Looks like tomorrow I will only be missing out on Posada since Giambi is at DH and Matsui is out. Hopefully Jeter or Rodriguez wont sit
Keep in mind, the start before last, Ras went out eight innings and got utterly no offensive support.
I’ll forgive him one bad start for everything else he’s been able to do for the team.
what happens if he just gets lit up? will the yanks need to get a guy like CC or play cool like no problem what so ever!
read the offspeed pitch Alex and Wilson
surprised that jorge’s catching tonight since its a day game tomorrow and joba’s pitching.
molina is a great catcher and is more than capable of catching joba.
I like the phrase “circuit clout.”
yea and i guess it makes sense to have posada’s bat in the lineup against peavy.
” Obviously basketball requires more athleticism but anyone that says Golf isn’t a sport or is easy just doesn’t know what they are talking about.”
patrick-
no matter how much michael jordan practices and plays, it’s not likely he’s ever going to be a pro golfer.
that right there should tell anyone that golf is a serious sport. michael jordan would love to be a pro golfer and he can’t do it.
there is no such thing as the perfect athlete who can play any sport either. i saw jordan up close when he was playing for the white sox minor league system,and while he made contact he had trouble even reaching the warning track on fly balls.
he couldn’t release his hands at the last split second to generate bat speed. it’s the same release in golf and if he still hasn’t figured it out , he’ll be lucky if he hits his drives 300 if everything goes right. for his height and mechanical leverage, that would be really weak.
bottom line.
tiger is an amazing athlete.
Why is Betemit starting??? This guy’s got nothing!
Matsui NEEDS to be in there vs a GOOD pitcher in Peavy.
http://nationalpost.pa-sportsticker.com/default.aspx?s=mlb-news-display&nid=A17808981213816299A
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and the Phillies are charging back…only down 7-4 now….GO PHILLY !!!…:-)
“what happens if he just gets lit up? ”
Depends if it becomes a pattern or not. It also depends on how Horne looks in AAA, and how Kennedy does in his rehab. If they both start shutting down AAA competition regularly and Rasner and/or Giese is mediocre/bad…you’ll see the younger guys up there.
I imagine they want Posada’s bat in the line up against Peavy
noe if tiger play base ball what will he do hi a line drive to 2nd or a high pop to right???
“Why is Betemit starting??? This guy’s got nothing!
Matsui NEEDS to be in there vs a GOOD pitcher in Peavy.”
Here’s a hint…why do you think Giambi, Matsui and Damon have been playing so well? Is it magic, or because of judicious rest?
He wants Jason off his feet for a day. Unless Matsui can play first, guess what?
Don Vito- Could have been closer they had 0 outs and the heart of the order up utley lined out and Howard K’d again. Still rooting though hope Okajima blows up.
I’ll definitely give Rasner a pass considering he did throw a lot more pitches than he was used to in his previous start. He had also not gotten much run support in those games, either.
I’m a bit surprised about Betemit starting, especially considering that he’s 1-12 against Peavey. I guess Girardi wanted to give Giambi some time off his legs.
ugh – MATSUI
he’s one of the best hitters in the league and more consistent then anyone on the team
I’d imagine Jason’s DHing to spell his legs and Betemit needs the at bats.
Am I the only one that thinks the Yankees might be shopping Wilson?
I think the Yanks could be shopping Betemit if they have the desire to turn AG into the complete utility infielder…unless Betemit being gone means Shelley’s back up and AG sticks.
“he’s one of the best hitters in the league and more consistent then anyone on the team”
Perhaps. Jason and Damon are both hotter right now. Would you prefer one of them sit? Or all of these old guys play every day until their creaky bodies relegate their performance to the crapper?
“Big start for Rasner, who has lost his last four.”
Bit misleading here. He’s given up 1,4,2 and 7 runs in his last four starts.
He could have just as easily been 3-1 or 2-2 if he’d gotten some offense.
Jesus who is this guy ?
“bottom line.
tiger is an amazing athlete.”
I 100% agree. To be fair though, MJ is a near-scratch golfer. Still, that doesn’t even come close to guys that play on the PGA tour and Tiger is worlds better then everyone else on the tour.
Can you really compare Tiger’s athletic ability to Jordan’s athletic ability?
Does anyone think that even at Jordan’s age Tiger could score 2 points against Jordan in a 1 on 1 basketball game?
“Jesus who is this guy ?”
Someone who needs to face stiffer competition
Curse you, Kei Igawa!
“Jesus who is this guy ?”
You may have just answered your own question.
Why is Matsui benched AGAIN?!?!
“Jesus who is this guy ?â€
The anti-Igawa?
I’ll ask the same question earlier today. No one seemed to know the answer. Maybe someone here will.
Does Aceves have an innings limit? He pitched 109 innings last year. That would make 139 this year. He already has 84, I think. If he had to make 3 more minor league starts, he’d only have around 5 starts in the majors before they shut him down. Assuming, of course, he’s ready and they push him that far.
I know its off topicbut I just got accepted to medical school!!
Chris Smith (the kid from Compton) apparantly signs for $158,000 according to BA
anti pavano
Chris Smith (the kid from Compton) apparantly signs for $158,000 according to BA
VICTORY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Matsui can’t play 2 days in a row? Really? Girardi needs to stop screwing around with the lineup now that it’s starting to hit again.
DLev,
Aceves probably has thrown much more than 109 innings in the Mexican league I would imagine so there’s probably no innings cap for him.
“Matsui can’t play 2 days in a row? Really? Girardi needs to stop screwing around with the lineup now that it’s starting to hit again.”
Didja read the update from 10 minutes ago? Sore knee. Better to nip it in the bud.
Is it true this Perez guy has 12 fingers? Rad.
DLev: I doubt it, Aveces has pitched significantly in the Mexican Leagues, I believe, and is not that young.
Josh: Congratulations! Which school? Do you have any idea what sort of medicine you want to practice
Is this the same knee Matsui had drained last year?
1. Matsui has a sore knee – see Pete’s update, above.
2. Josh – congratulations, and best wishes.
Where’s the link on Chris ?
“Does anyone think that even at Jordan’s age Tiger could score 2 points against Jordan in a 1 on 1 basketball game?”
No chance, Jordan would wipe the floor with him with 1 hand tied behind his back.
also, Giambi was more of a butcher than usual at 1B for Rasner’s last start.
Rasner needs a good outing.
Hey everybody, my friend is going to his first Yankee game tomorrow— Is Monument Park open on Thursday day games?
open every game but it closes 45 minutes before the game so get there early
Tiger would probably play like he has a broken leg. Oh wait.
Albany medical college. And my top choice is radiation oncology. I’m really open minded though and want to try evryging. Including Yankee team doctor.!!
Neil — Yes he’s polydactyly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactylic
His numbers were sick (in a good way) before this year, in which they are sick (in the traditional way).
http://www.todaysprospect.com/d05.26
Congratulations Josh
Congratulations Josh!
My advice to anyone who wants to go to Monument Park – GET THERE EARLY. With this being the last year at the “old” Stadium, the lines are even longer. Get there at the gate (not sure what number, it’s directly across from “new” Stadium, and next to el) in plenty of time for the gate to open (2 hours prior to gametime). You then wait in a snaking line, reminiscent of DisneyWorld, to get in. If you arrive much later, you risk being left out, as they do stop letting people in about 45 min before game. But it’s a great experience.
Thanks TIM!
Raining right now hope the game isnt cancelled or its likely a day-night tomorrow.
Josh: Best of luck, hope you enjoy it!
Did we just pick up Sidney Ponson?
Did Michael Kay just say that the Yankees signed Ponson to a minor league deal?
Sky’s clear in my area of Bergen County.
Looks like there might be a delay or two, but they should be able to get the game in.
Okay, ESPN 1050 reports we picked up Ponson, so what about Oneli Perez?
Which one did we get? OR BOTH?!
“Did Michael Kay just say that the Yankees signed Ponson to a minor league deal?”
Well, THAT would make the AAA rotation even more crowded…
“Chris Smith (the kid from Compton) apparantly signs for $158,000 according to BA”
Hells yeah, the nation is very proud.
Ponson? Didn’t he already prove once that he couldnt’ pitch in NY, WTH?!?!
Can’t blame Rasner if he does bad.He is what he is a spot starter/Long Reliever.The same thing will happened to Giese,Kennedy, and Igawa.
The Yankees need stater and not a #4 or #5.They need a #3 guy.But we can hold that off until at most the last week of JUly.
…We picked up Ponson? For real?
Two thougths about Sir Sidney –
1. We tried him a couple of years ago, but released him after a couple of starts. After his latest implosion in Texas, what makes Cash think he’s going to do any better now? This one has me shaking my head.
2. Like whozat said, what’s this going to do the the AAA rotation? They can’t make room for Aceves, and now this?
3. As a corollary to #1, above…what must Kei Igawa think?
Ponson couldnt hack it hear hes a fat turd useless signing.
here*
I’m still in shock over Ponson. C’mon Brian, you’re better than that. Sidney Ponson?
I guess they signed him strictly for the double header against the Mets next week. But Sidney Ponson?
According to ESPN, we have not signed Ponson
Yankees sign Sidney Ponson
by Dan Graziano
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 4:41 PM
The Yankees just announced that they have signed right-handed pitcher Sidney Ponson to a Triple-A contract. Presumably, this means Ponson will report to Scranton, but it would seem likely that he’d get a shot in the Yankees’ major-league rotation soon.
Ponson was pitching very well this season for the Texas Rangers, posting a 4-1 record and a 3.88 ERA. But the Rangers released him on June 6 after a couple of incidents of what Rangers management described as “disruptive” behavior. Reportedly, Ponson made some kind of scene a a hotel bar on a recent road trip and fought with manager Ron Washington when he felt Washington removed him from a game too early.
what i don’t understand is why are we clearing room on the 40 man roster for a guy with an over 2 WHIP in AAA this year? i see he put up some good #s before AAA, but was this worth a 40 man roster move?
Holy mother of….
If we picked up Sidney Ponson it better have been for a six pack of Budweiser and a bag of nachos.
Seriously though … was the Ponson info a joke? I thought ESPN.com said they called up Traber. That could be old but who the heck knows.
Ponson had a few good starts at the beginning of the year for TEX… so maybe we can catch lightning in a bottle for a couple starts and then release him
The story of Ponson’s life:
Pitching well, but drinking.
Sober, but not pitching well.
Bring back the liquor, Joe.
Ponson was dreadful with us a few years ago hes so fat and disruptive I hope Horne does well so this cancer doesnt get called up. Everyone is hailing his numbers but look deeper than his ERA. His WHIP is over 1.50 ughh and hes given up 70 something hits in 55 IP keep this loser in the minors please.
It’s not even like he’s in the rotation… he’ll pitch a little at SWB and then if he’d not horrible/we have no other choice… it’s not even like he was bad this year
If September comes along and Ponson doesn’t work out (which I would expect) why don’t we just skip over Igawa and go directly to giving Pavano a shot?
I guess this means Sidney, and not Kei, will be starting one of the games next Friday. I’m not sure which option is worse, probably Igawa.
Ponson? LMAO!! Don’t remember if it was verbally or here, but I totally called this. I would guess its just for the doubleheader and then maybe if he pitches well in that game (haha) they will give him another chance. He actually did decent in Texas this yr I think, they released him b/c of a clubhouse conflict or something? I think he’ll only be here 2 starts tops so, won’t have the chance to cause the same commotion.
Man, poor Moose….just when he gets ice cream back in the clubhouse, here comes Sir Sid to eat it all! lol. luckily pinstripes are slimming.
I git excited, thought they signed another brother, Sidney Poitier
It amuses me no end that Sidney Ponson was knighted in his native Aruba.
At least he can be had for pennies, as Texas should be paying whatever he’s owed
Release Igawa
trade Melky and Kennedy for a quality starter
trade Cano for Reyes than either put Reyes at 2nd or move him for an ace pitcher
btw, i was talking about Perez, not Ponson, in my last post:
“what i don’t understand is why are we clearing room on the 40 man roster for a guy with an over 2 WHIP in AAA this year? i see he put up some good #s before AAA, but was this worth a 40 man roster move?”
don’t we have enough internal bullpen options?
Bartolo Colon part 2
Cash whyyyyyyyy, I guess it’s a filler but seriously why Ponson ….
The Yanks were probably better off giving Poitier a deal instead
“Ponson was pitching very well this season for the Texas Rangers, posting a 4-1 record and a 3.88 ERA.”
That’s why ERA is not the best stat to post to get a good picture on what a guys done. Ponson has a WHIP over 1.5. That is not good at all.
Whatever, I’ll take Ponson, Igawa, and this Perez dude all over Zito. He lasted 2 innings against Detroit, giving up 5 runs.
rumor has it that Ponson ate Natalee Halloway, not the sharks.
I posted this last night in the game thread, but it was late so here it is again:
I went to the Trenton game last night.
Harrisburg isn’t a great hitting team, but nevertheless Aceves was dominant. 8 shutout innings, one hit. A couple of walks, but DPs erased them. As was noted, he doesn’t have overpowering stuff, but he knows how to pitch. Good curve when he can throw it for strikes, nice tailing fastball that moves in on righthanders.
Austin Jackson was also dominant. Four hits, including a 3 run HR to left center. Not quite as fast as I expected; he was caught stealing once. But very impressive nonetheless.
I’ll be going to Wed. and Thursday’s games as well, so feel free to let me know if there’s someone you’d like me to keep an eye on.
Brandon, are you the same Brandon who was posting on last night’s game thread? If so, you should know that Mike Ashmore, who covers and blogs about the Trenton team, has also said that A Jax does not have fantastic speed. He looks like a great talent, and he gets great jumps on the ball, but pure speed is not his greatest asset. I’m very excited about him as a hitter, though.
“I git excited, thought they signed another brother, Sidney Poitier”
Now Mr. Poitier is playing baseball I thought he was a good enough actor to not have to do anything else lol.
Brandon,
Did you hear how Colon hurt his back? Batting in Philly!
“Bring back the liquor, Joe.”
Not until Mussina get’s his M&Ms.
Uh oh.
Please let this be minor–we need his bat!
When will we see Alfredo “the Ace” Aceves in Scranton and then…hopefully…the Bronx?
pat,
Have you tried the Mint Crisp M&Ms? They taste like Thin Mint Girl Scout Cookies. They’re so good!
Believe it or not Ponson hurled a complete game 1 run gem about a month back.
Just wondering, is it possible the additions are for the 5th spot, or are the Yanks gearing for a trade and need some bodies to fill some holes once they deal some prospects?
“”We don’t feel Sidney deserves to be here or wants to be here,” Daniels said. “We’re not going to get into details other than to say we’re clearly trying to put together a team here, in a true sense of the word.”
“Ponson had become the Rangers’ No. 3 starter after posting a 4-1 record with a 3.88 ERA.”
source: http://www.star-telegram.com/284/story/687448.html
“Ponson was dreadful with us a few years ago hes so fat and disruptive I hope Horne does well so this cancer doesnt get called up. Everyone is hailing his numbers but look deeper than his ERA. His WHIP is over 1.50 ughh and hes given up 70 something hits in 55 IP keep this loser in the minors please.”
If you look even deeper, his FIP and xFIP are decent, and his HRs are WAAAAAY down, even pitching in that launching pad. His GB% is way up too. I dunno. If he gives a couple decent starts, sounds good to me.
i called it as well, I knew this was going to happen
CB will say it’s a low risk proposition and SJ44 will say that Cashman is chumming the water for the kill.
Dont worry about Matsui with knee surgeries things flare up and you get sore around the healing tissue. I had knee surgery a few months ago and its amazing Matsui is having such a great year. Dont expect anything more than a couple of days off for rest.
Man, I wish I could take BP with the Yankees…
Josh,
Congrats. My wife is just finishing her third year of med school. It’s grueling, but if you really want to be a doc then it’s also very exciting.
At the risk of being presumptuous, my biggest piece of advice would be not to stress out. If you were admitted, then you have what it takes. Just do the work, study hard, and you’ll do fine. Too many med students drive themselves crazy with worry.
Best of luck.
mel
I’ve never even seen them. The standard and peanut butter ones are a big hit in my house.
Al: Except this is Matsui’s other knee, apparently.
aniithing is better than kei igawa ppl.
“If you look even deeper, his FIP and xFIP are decent, and his HRs are WAAAAAY down, even pitching in that launching pad. His GB% is way up too.”
Didn’t look this deep but I don’t feel that bad anymore about Ponson after reading this.
“CB will say it’s a low risk proposition”
It is
damn, its not just today for matsui.
So Matsui is having problems with BOTH knees?
pat,
They’re new, with Indiana Jones packaging. Try the bagged candy aisle at the market or drugstore. It’s a “Medium Bag” (11 oz). Worth the effort. Lots of greens, too. haha.
Rebecca- Often the other knee gets sore from overcompensation because his surgically repaired knee is healing the opposite knee is in turn getting sore from baring the majority of his weight. This too is common after knee surgery he just needs to rest it.
All I know right now about Oneli Perez is he has 6 fingers on each hand
Hopefully ponson is a prelude to cc or Roy
Brandon,
You’re joking, right? That’s not even funny….Does he have a special glove?
and yeah, anyone but Igawa.
I see the Yankees picking up Ponson as low risk and low cost insurance just like the Sox picked up Colon. It isn’t really costing the Yankees very much and if he doesn’t work out then you release him.
Say what you want about Colon, however he has as many wins as Hughes, Igawa, Kennedy, Rasner, and Chamberlain combined right now. I am not saying he is a better pitcher than all of those guys, but if Ponson gives you a few quality starts then you are better off.
Al: That makes sense, thanks
ugh!!!
http://www.southsidesox.com/story/2007/11/30/20029/209
and
http://bp0.blogger.com/_YntY1kyKo4o/RjB_pIiKt4I/AAAAAAAAAv0/_k6ZkRGoy8g/s320/fingers6.jpg
Ponson is better than any minor league pitcher on the 40 man that the yankees can bring up.
Ponson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Karstens, Igawa, Giese, Rasner ect. And its not even close.
ray,
What are you talking about? We love Colon.
If Ponson means I never have to see Igawa again this season starting for the Yankees, then today is a day to celebrate.
Besides, the guys numbers in Texas (hello? hitters park) are quite good.
We all know he’s a headcase, but I like this move. This is a good low risk backup plan for a guy with some experience.
Rebecca- No problem Im just re-stating what my doctor said to me I havent had too many aches and pains with my knees but obviously I am not a world class athlete. The all-star break will serve as some nice resting time for some of these guys.
Ponson sucks. But if im not mistaken, we caught lightening in a bottle his first start with us. So lets use him for the one game and cut him. We can use some bandaid pitchers till we either have Kennedy/Horne or a legit free agent set.
I guess looking internally took all of what a day or two? C’mon Cash!
mel
From earlier posts I know you are particularly fond of Colon’s clown hair!!!!
Carlos Zambrano is pitching tonight against the Rays hopefully he can act like an Ace and help us in the process.
SoS,
Regarding your question about making the finals? Let’s just say it’s better to have love and lost, than to never have loved at all. And it’s good experience for the young guys.
Ponson has a bad attitude and will hurt the team in the lnog run ? How desperate are we right now that we are collecting Rangers rejects ?
ray,
But he’s buzzed it!
I do have to say though that it’s his body that makes him look like a clown. He’s quite vertically challenged, no?
Thank God the NBA is over that season realy drags especially when your team is the Knicks. Im so glad to have the Yankees even if they arent great they at least are fun to watch.
Oneli sounds like a scrub, infinity ERA, low 90’s and a slider…ughhhhhh Atonio Alfonseca wannabe
higashioka’s name to us is Kyle-son, aight? has a good ring to it
Ponson might just be for the double header. Who knows? Anyway, he was on waivers–not like it cost the yankees much.
mel
June 18th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
ray,
“But he’s buzzed it!
I do have to say though that it’s his body that makes him look like a clown. He’s quite vertically challenged, no?”
Mel, rather than saying Colon is vertically challenged I like to think of him as being horizontally gifted!
Jeter,
It’s Kyle-san. And dollars to donuts he has a Japanese middle name.
seriously (and Im not picking on you SOS, its just that you said it last), can someone please tell me what this lightening in a bottle cliche means and its origin. It really gets under my skin, I hate it.
“How desperate are we right now that we are collecting Rangers rejects ?”
How desperate were the Sox that they signed a guy who was stinking it up in Dominican winter ball, throwing in the high 80s?
You take a flier on a guy, see what happens. He costs, essentially, nothing. And Ponson was actually doing decent, getting lots of grounders. Giving up hits, yeah, but a) his IF defense stunk over there and b) so what? It takes a lot of singles to put together some runs.
Low risk move. If he throws better than Giese in the next two weeks, give him a spot until someone better comes along.
So Boston wins again and another monster day for JD Drew.
Why can’t the Yanks have a bench guy that can produce like that? Why does their bench have to be an embarassment?
Meanwhile, the Yanks idea of a good bench is Wilson Betemit…ugh.
“Oneli sounds like a scrub, infinity ERA, low 90’s and a slider”
Yeah, he’ll really hurt the ol’ AA roster.
Seriously, who cares about a guy they put in AA? If they really need the 40-man spot, they’ll cut him and not really care.
“So Boston wins again and another monster day for JD Drew.
Why can’t the Yanks have a bench guy that can produce like that?”
Since when is their starting right fielder a bench guy?
Samuel- Who ever called JD Drew a bench player hes not Manny or Papi but he is a top outfielder with a great bat. I dont even get the Betemit-Drew comparison.
mel,
I see your point. But it must have been tough to watch them play bad at the absolute worst time. Just like my Spurs did. The way these teams are improving each year. I see it getting tougher for teams to get back to the finals like in years before. You have teams like Houston,Seattle,Charlotte and Portland that are going to be better. Im just hoping my boys due a major bench over haul.
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-lig1.htm
lightning in a bottle.
Not authoritative, but there you go
Seriously, who cares about a guy they put in AA? If they really need the 40-man spot, they’ll cut him and not really care.
I rather use that roster spot on Erick Threets.
‘Seriously, who cares about a guy they put in AA? If they really need the 40-man spot, they’ll cut him and not really care.’
i guess you pretty much answered my question from earlier. maybe he just had some trouble adjusting to AAA. his numbers before were good.
Just hope the rain holds off.
“seriously (and Im not picking on you SOS”
Why are you picking on me!! All i want for my team is for them to catch lightning in a bottle. Boston does. So why cant we? I dont deserve this treatment.
Kei Igawa. Thats why you sign Cindy Ponson. Thats one more guy you will get to see before The Kei Man.
I’d rather see Pete pitch a game before I see Igawa again seriously.
Since when is JD Drew a bench guy?
“I rather use that roster spot on Erick Threets.”
Brandon,
Im starting to believe Erick hired you as his agent. Come on. You can tell us.
The way Brandon feels about Threets is the same way I feel about Jonathan Sanchez I would kill to put that guy in pinstripes too bad SF would never do that trade.
“I rather use that roster spot on Erick Threets.”
Threets HAD TO BE IN THE MAJORS. He can’t throw strikes and he had to be put on the 25-man roster in order to keep him after a claim. Now that he’s in AAA, you’d have to TRADE for him, and the Giants have no incentive to do that because they can just keep him now.
Francis the praying mantis,
I also want to add that “Catching lightning in a bottle” happens to be Cashmans favorite line.
not only is JD Drew not a bench guy but he makes like $17 mill per yr…..
Lightning in a bottle is homemade liquor. I would imagine it to be extremely difficult to catch “lightning in a bottle” due to the fact it’s a liquid.
Don’t know why we use the term the way we use it today however.
Now that he’s in AAA, you’d have to TRADE for him, and the Giants have no incentive to do that because they can just keep him now.
They don’t want to keep him, trade minor leaguer for minor leaguer Karstens, Ponson, 12 digit whatever nothing to ridiculous.
He also pitched 2 IP of scoreless ball last night. low risk high rewards whozat. And no SoS I;m not his agent I’ve liked his arsenal for sometime.
It’s not so much as JD Drew is performing exceptionally well this year (though he is) as it is he glaringly underperformed last year.
Meanwhile, weather here does not look good.
I hope Cashman get Threets just so we don’t have to read Brandon asking for Threets comments again.
“They don’t want to keep him”
No, Brandon…they didn’t want to keep him IN THE MAJORS. They didn’t DFA him because they don’t want him, they DFA’d him because he’s out of options and they wanted to send him down to AAA.
I hope Cashman get Threets just so we don’t have to read Brandon asking for Threets comments again.
Tarp is on the field.
Ponson is the same as Igawa….you pitch that slug and you are throwing the game…stupid move by the Yankees ….really stupid move…
“low risk high rewards whozat.”
It’s not low risk, high rewards. Now, you’d have to pry him away from the Giants because they are happy to hang on to him. They have leverage. So you can’t just give them some junky player you don’t want. AND…HE CAN’T THROW STRIKES. After the years of Yankee relievers that come in and walk guys, I can’t BELIEVE that you’re so strongly in favor of yet another guy who has no idea where the ball is going.
Over under on how many runs we score against Peavy. 3
Going to Arthur Ave with some friends tonight, so I won’t be far from the Stadium.
But the weather for my dear old Bronx looks poor:
http://www.weather.com/outlook/health/allergies/hourbyhour/USNY0172?from=36hr_topnav_allergies
Go get ‘em Raz!
“Ponson is the same as Igawa”
The fact that Ponson has won 4 games this season in the major leagues disagrees with you. And it’s not because of run support. He gives up lots of ground ball singles, but that’s pretty much it. Some walks, some K’s, very very few homers, despite playing in a launching pad.
So…much more reason to think he could give you a few decent starts. Which is pretty much all you’d expect out of him.
Can you imagine SoS and Brandon as kids? I bet they never left the store without the candy or toy they begged for.
“BUT I WANT IT! I WANT IT NOW!!!”
3 exactly
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/map/interactive/07481?from=36hr_maps&zoom=8&interactiveMapLayer=radar
Current radar. It looks like it’s going to rain a bit, but then should be okay. The problem is, I’m can’t tell how long they’ll delay it–looks like thunder and lightning with some of these storms, and it’s at least a half hour for lightning.
“AND…HE CAN’T THROW STRIKES”
Would he make Farns look like a control pitcher?
PT/S: 31-17
He’s a work in progress whozat. Work In Progress…
mel: My father tells a story that one day when my brother and I were really young, he took the two of us to Toys R Us and basically told us we could get ANYTHING and EVERYTHING we wanted.
So I got one book and my brother got one action figure.
I’m not sure my father has ever been as disappointed in us as he was that night…
Don how is it a stupid move. Didnt cost us anything, no youngsters, no money and he is not even on the 40 man. Why not take a flyer on him. Believe me I would rather see him any day of the week than Igawa. 4-1 with a 3.89 ERA is much much better than anyone else we have at this point in the minors in terms of MLB experience. He has pitched here before we know he can handle it and he knows the locker room.
Boy…if Colon comes back and Ponson makes it to the bigs…
Colon vs. Ponson
not only does that rhyme, but they might collapse the mound.
Sidney Ponson? Yay?
Go get em Rasner!
I just dont like Ponson’s demeanor he seems like a legit arse-hole. He seems like a fat, cantankerous dirt bag like Boomer wells with way less talent.
“Can you imagine SoS and Brandon as kids? I bet they never left the store without the candy or toy they begged for.
“BUT I WANT IT! I WANT IT NOW!!!”
Ummm mel.
a. Im not the one asking for threets.
b. Thats actually called a Yankee Fan that you described.
So you are partly right.
Are you still mad about the 39 point blow out? I had nothing to do with it. All i kept saying is A.B.K.
Pete: Any word on when they plan on starting the game? Because it doesn’t look like it’ll be 7.05.
Rebecca,
Trust me. He was proud of you guys for bein good kids.
pphill,
I heard you can make a lot of money on the competitive eating circuit.
I’ll take Ponson in the jello shots contest and Colon in the hot dog contest.
I’ll be back later people.
mel I didn’t forget about you
” UPDATE, 6:03 p.m.: Ponson will throw a bullpen for Scranton tomorrow and could start Saturday. ”
.
WHAT ??? Start Saturday Where ? In Scranton ? It better not be in place of Giese….Are the Yankees completely mad ?…wasn’t this bum DFA’d last time we picked him up with a Yankee ERA of almost 11 ???
“So I got one book and my brother got one action figure.”
Becca,
What the hell is wrong with you? He took you to Toy R Us. Not the library.
Sidney Ponson and Kei Igawa.
Two roster cloggers at AAA in the way of progress of Alfredo Aceves and others.
SoS,
I’m not mad about anything. You and the Lakers have nothing to do with each other, no matter how many insults you hurl. I accept it as a quirk in your personality and move on. You should try living without hate and bitterness. It’s much more fulfilling.
OK..all of you….let me know after he gets the snot knocked out of him JUST AS BAD AS IGAWA….after THAT…let me know how it wasn’t a stupid move to put that fat slob in pinstripes again…
Giese earned it and this jabba the hut looking drunk comes in and steals his start WTF! If I was Giese I would throw down with fat boy.
“Scott June 18th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Sidney Ponson and Kei Igawa.
Two roster cloggers at AAA in the way of progress of Alfredo Aceves and others.”
I agree fat boy and big in Japan should get lost. Melancon and Aceves should be there instead.
Am now a little worried about Matsui.
S.o.S., you don’t know me very well, do you? I’m a writer. Books ARE my toys.
Well, books and jigsaw puzzles. And yarn.
I would like to see Geise get a start. He pitched well in his last two outings, let him get one shot and if he doesn’t perform then go with Ponson. He’s a mediocre pitcher at best, Geise has at least earned the right to be just that.
“lightning in a bottle.”
Funny – Sidney’s problem is that he is always lighting into a bottle.
I think he was 4-1 with the Rangers but showed up hungover or drunk and was terminated immediately.
We have a bunch of starts to fill up with someone – whether it is Giese, Ponson, IPK or when healthy, Franchise.
I really would love it if Phil ends up grabbing that spot and getting his feet under him.
Soon come is Peter the Oh So Int’r’st’d Ree-Dur’s latest post on how mean Joe G. is for not giving him the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I’d like some from Pete himself, like a recollection of what drew him to bash another Yankee FAN site’s postings. But hey, it sound like he’ll be too busy for that, what with the Yankees showing around this Higashioka fella and Pete being the official remora of Yankee AZNs. When’s the book come out Pete?
“Have you tried the Mint Crisp M&Ms? They taste like Thin Mint Girl Scout Cookies. They’re so good!”
thanks mel! I hadn’t heard of those but they sound great.
here we go (matsui)-this will probably develop into a stint on the dl
I’m officially worried about Matsui.
Feel better Hideki!
quirk- a peculiar trait.
O.k. mel. Now that i know what that means. Ill take it as a compliment. Because you wouldnt try to insult me. Would you?
Im glad the basketball season is over so we can finally be 100% on the same side. Friends?
Raining in Bergen County.
SoS-
BFF.
There’s ridiculous retreads who get too many chances in this league, and then there’s Sidney Ponson.
I guess we could view him as “insurance” in the same sense guys like Ben Broussard may have been insurance in AAA, but, recent record or not, you’d have to think we have better options that him….
….or maybe 2008 is more like 1990 than I thought, if we need guys like this holding spots because youngsters aren’t ready yet. what IS Chuck Cary doing these days?
LOL
Uh Oh…I hear thunder and the raindrops have started falling where I’m at.
I agree with the posters that think Giese should get his chance. He’s earned a chance to pitch. But thats not always the direction the team goes. Like bringing up Traber.
Thunder and raining here, I’ll be shocked if they start the game on time.
Quick! Everyone empty your bottles of rum and tequila. Now run outside and catch that lightning. We need it!
T,
My understanding at this point is that Geise AND Ponson are starting Saturday. One will fill Wang’s spot, and the other gets the “extra” start since it’s a double header.
I wonder if Ponson will be a bad influence on Melky and Cano? Or is it the other way around? Who is more of a partyer. Wells or Ponson?
I suppose its better for it to rain before the game and delay the start rather than have it interrupt it once its started?
If we get enough lightning – it might be enough for Ponson.
Wells is a “partyer”, Ponson just has a drinking problem. There’s a difference.
Angel: I’m with you.
Fortunately, it looks like one line of storms followed by a lot of nothing, but unfortunatley, the line’s kind of thick.
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/map/interactive/07481?from=36hr_maps&zoom=8&interactiveMapLayer=radar
Radar for those interested
“I suppose its better for it to rain before the game and delay the start rather than have it interrupt it once its started?”
Im not sure about that Angel. It might be better to have an hour delay after a couple innings so that the starters are done for the night. We are facing Peavy. Id take sitting Rasner and Peavy to get to the bullpen anyday.
Angel,
Maybe Ponson has some empties under his bed.
Good thought, he might. Then I won’t have to go begging for quart-sized bottles.
“He’s a work in progress whozat. Work In Progress…”
Fine. Do you understand that, if the Yankees got him, he’d have had to make that progress IN THE MAJOR LEAGUE BULLPEN? You never seem to admit that when we talk about Threets. They COULD NOT get him and put him in the minors. It was not an option. You take him and waive him, the Giants take him right back and waive him again.
“Wells is a “partyerâ€, Ponson just has a drinking problem. There’s a difference.”
Got it. One gets beat up while the other has hang overs.
“I agree with the posters that think Giese should get his chance.”
Two starts on Saturday, folks. Doubleheader.
Take a look at all the available info before getting indignant, perhaps.
If Matsui goes on DL we may see Gardner.
“Wells is a “partyerâ€, Ponson just has a drinking problem. There’s a difference.â€
“Got it. One gets beat up while the other has hang overs.”
Sounds about right!
Angel: there’s enough lightning where I’m at–my house literally shook with one of the cracks, and I live in a fairly large house!
Sounds real scary outside right now. Eek
Flaherty has an awesome haircut
Yes! Sidney Ponson! yankees blow!
“If Matsui goes on DL we may see Gardner.”
Could be…Damon DHes more in that case. Though, I’d prefer to see him replaced with a decent righty 1B bat, so that Giambi’s get out of the field more often. Of course…they don’t HAVE a decent righty 1B.
Could also see Miranda, if they think his shoulder’s healthy. Worthless against lefties, though.
So who wants to guess how many games Ponson starts before being DFA? I say 3.
Ponson can’t hang with Melky and Robbie. Ponson would punch a couple of judges before throwing up and passing out. Robbie and Melky would continue to dance the reggaeton all night long.
I wish I wasn’t talking about Sidney Ponson at all today, though.
I hear the tarp is still on the field?
Any start time estimation?
Ponson is starting in Scranton Saturday, not NY.
“So who wants to guess how many games Ponson starts before being DFA? I say 3.”
After Saturdays game.
Also, good news: looks like it’s clearing up in my corner of Bergen County–some rumbles of thunder, but no rain.
And the doubleheader with the Mets is on a Friday not a Saturday.
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I still find it so frustrating that the team finally started firing on all cylinders and Wang goes down. Now we will be watching Ponson and Geise pitch two games to the Mets this weekend. Ugh! Very frustrating.
Ack. Lightning like that is scary. Especially when it cracks with thunder at the very same time.
Hey, why are you telling me about it? Why aren’t you outside bravely capturing it? Sir Sidney Ponson’s pitching mojo is now depending on you!
“Take a look at all the available info before getting indignant, perhaps.”
Isnt that what we have you for? Next time come out with that before we look stupid.
Does anyone know who was suppose to pitch for Scranton? Please dont let it be SHADES.
“Two starts on Saturday, folks. Doubleheader.”
Why are people saying there is a double header this Saturday. On the schedule I have and the one on YES the Yanks have a 3 game series with the Cincinnati Reds – Friday night, Saturday afternoon and Sunday afternoon.
The DH is next Friday with the Mets.
Sydney Ponson? Who’d of thought.
I’m not thrilled by it but its one of those hold your nose moves that you make knowing that its not hard to throw out the garbage when needed.
I think the driving factor in this is just short term need, especially that double header.
I could see Ponson throwing a game or two and getting cut. He’s most likely going to make only a handful of starts as a bridge.
I think he’s an insurance policy if Giese pitches badly.
The positive with this is that they seem committed to trying everything needed to not rush any of their minor league pitchers. They seem to want to give Kennedy time to throw in AAA – which I really agree with. They also probably don’t feel that Horne is ready in terms of coming back from his injury. McCutchen and Marquez are just not ready for the major leagues at this time. Neither is a real option IMO. They need more time in AAA.
Ponson is just a back up – they really have no investment in him and will cut him at the drop of a hat. There’s no commitment here so there’s not a lot of downside. I also think that Ponson won’t get away with the things he did in Texas in the yankee clubhouse – lockering next to Jeter, Posada, ARod, and Mo is going to have some kind of effect, even if its a small one. If it doesn’t he’s gone.
This is a bridge. I think they’ll move Aceves up to AAA soon – but he will need several starts there at a minimum before bringing him up. Aceves is not the kind of guy you want to put on the 40 man roster too early. If they call him up and he pitches poorly they are sort of stuck – he’s on the 40 man and won’t pass through waivers. Not a huge deal but its a factor.
With a player like Aceves who is hard to gauge you don’t want to put him on the 40 man until you are absolutely positive he’s ready – very similar to the way they waited on Rasner.
Ultimately I think its going to be Aceves or Horne filling in that 5th slot. Possibly Kennedy, though I think they are only going to bring him up if he’s ready. They just need more time to sort things through.
It also shows other teams in the trade market that they are willing to explore all sorts of options and aren’t going to be desperate to make a bad trade.
Very damning statement for both Igawa and Karstens.
Anyone worried about Detroit? They are finally making some noise of late.
“Now we will be watching Ponson and Geise pitch two games to the Mets this weekend”
Nope. Mets series is next weekend.
Hey pete how long is this game delayed for
My bad. The Mets series is next weekend, and the double header looks to be Friday.
Fran: I keep confusing Friday and Saturday, my bad.
whozat-
so who’s better( or worse), sdney ponson or livan hernadez?
can’t resist continuing bringing up the livan saga with the twins.
the twins have now won 13 games and lost 5 when hernandez starts.
i understand how twenty somethings empathize with other twenty somethings, but experience trumps youth sometimes .
guys like livan give teams innings which is a very under rated stat.
rookie pitchers can’t give a team a lot of innings and it screws up the bullpen.
yesterday hernadez went 7 innings( gave up two runs) . two relievers were used for an inning each. that means tomorrow some young pitcher has a rested bullpen.
how do you measure that value of having a rested bullpen?
but there is no doubt value in it,
so livan has an intangible value that no rookie has.
Actually, come to think of it – the yankee would probably have options on Aceves so they wouldn’t need to pass him through waivers to send him back to the minors if he doesn’t pitch well in a major league call up.
He does occupy a 40 man roster spot.
randy: But, Ponson for pennies or Livan for millions (if he were signed earlier…if for some reason he gets released…well, pennies then too)?
Did anyone read this? lol
http://www.ballbug.com/080618/p37#a080618p37
PHILADELPHIA – Just received a press release:
“Mets Fans Cry Fowl. Chickens to be sent to Mets Owner Fred Wilpon Today at 2:15pm.
Syosset, NY – Randy Smith, a lifelong Mets Fan and an employee of Georgi Vodka is joining a few other fans today at 2:15 p.m. putting 5 chickens in a box to express his outrage of the Mets Firing Willie Randolph. They are part of the company’s season ticket holders in which they are canceling for the season. The Mets owner is a Long Island resident too.
Cubs and Rays are on ESPN to pass the time during the delay.
Go Cubbies!!
” so who’s better( or worse), sdney ponson or livan hernadez?
can’t resist continuing bringing up the livan saga with the twins.”
NOOOOOOOO!
any word on the time the game is going to start
“so who’s better( or worse), sdney ponson or livan hernadez?
can’t resist continuing bringing up the livan saga with the twins.”
Id go with C. An injured El Duque.
CB,
Cliff Notes version. Did you say that it was a low-risk proposition?
Reporting from section 290. We just heard thunder, it’s raining pretty hard, and chilly, maybe it’ll be a disadvantage for the Padres.But most important I hope no one gets injured. Enough with the injuries!!
its pouring here in Coney Island (with lightning & thunder) and the rain looked to be increasing in the Bronx so I’d say another hour or so
Well, the encouraging sign is that it’s cleared off where I am, which is only 25 miles or so from YS.
So maybe another hour or so, but they should be able to get it in.
“NOOOOOOOO!”
tk in dc-
when you go out on a limb making predictions like i did by saying livan hernandez was a really smart pick up for the twins, it can be painful to the ego when you’re wrong or when it looks like you are wrong( his last few starts), but when you’re right, you just have to enjoy it.
all kidding aside, livan knows things about pitching that hughes and kennedy won’t for years.
i don’t know what to make of ponson.
he really doesn’t give innings like you want from a veteran. he seems to be either on or off. he’s had a lot of 4 inning games.
i hate to say it .but he’s not really in livan’s league.
but it’s worth a shot because if he doesn’t work out the yankees can just release him.
I’d absolutely take Livan over Ponson, any day of the week. Livan will give you a chance to win and keep the bullpen rested. Ponson will have the bullpen AND bartender working looong hours.
“Miami happy, manager happy, everybody happy!”
– My Cuban brother, Livan, after the 1997 WS
We signed someone for slot money? That doesn’t happen often does it? Aren’t we supposed to be drafting people that we offer millions of dollars over slot to? Fire cash! Just kidding.
Coney Island is a ways off from the Bronx.
I just checked the radar and the rain is just about past the stadium
folks, the roster manipulations are just beginning! i guarantee that you will not believe who appears in yankees games before 8/1, and who is out of the organization by then. THE CASHMAN will be a gangsta GM 24/7
mel,
yes. low risk proposition.
-cliff
I see sunlight in NJ
“Coney Island is a ways off from the Bronx.”
Not that far off. Since the weather streams move ENE in NYC we’ll usually get it first and all points north will follow within 20 mins. The thunder clouds have moved on, but its still raining. Again, we should get underway around 8pm or a couple of mins after.
When is this game going to start?
Cliff,
Yes! (fist pump)
Now, we just need SJ to chime in.
CB,
Of course it’s a low-risk proposition. Doesn’t mean we can’t have our fun, though.
And, if Ponson manages to give us a couple of wins, we can have fun eating crow then as well.
I love Mets fans antics. The past 2 months they have been screaming for Willie’s head. They got their wish and now they are crying about the move. Make up your minds you bafoons.
Bought this up on an earlier thread but didn’t get any response. Such is the life of a rookie on here.
But… isn’t this the time to sell high in regards to Damon and Giambi. People on here earlier in the year were calling for both to be DFA’d. As others pointed out there was no market for players with their numbers at that time.
However, they are both smoking now and surely there is a team out there that thinks they are one bat away from being a solid contender.
One of them and a prospect or two might get a decent pitcher or just as importantly a position player that can field their position and have a decent bat.
Pitching and defense wins more game than offense ever will over the long haul.
Cubs fans out in full force in Tampa.
G– not Ponson again?!
Oh well. I guess I will have to live with it.
David Keith? LOVED him in “Lords of Discipline”.
bb,
the yankees would have to eat a lot of the money owed to those two. I doubt they’d do that now. Who would replace that offense? With the pitching the way it is, the Yankees may have to just out mash other teams. But you’re right, if they’re gonna go, now’s the time. Just don’t see a buyer
matty – he was also in “the Great Santini” aka “The Ace”
both are adaptations of Pat Conroy books
PJH – given that you cannot spell “buffoon”, you might want to choose another word to use when mocking people.
Seinfeld still the best show on television..
“CB will say it’s a low risk proposition and SJ44 will say that Cashman is chumming the water for the kill.”
but mel, neither one of them likes livan even a little bit.
they really just don’t understand the value of over the hill pitchers so how are they going to evaluate ponson.
neither one can figure out how the twins keep winning with livan pitching.
it’s the magic of innings.
cb and sj go for the young ones who don’t throw many innings. which means they are right about 1 in 3 times (joba in this case). granted that one in three is huge, but every joba needs a livan to balance him out and save the bullpen.
the problem with figuring out ponson is that he’s not so much over the hill as under a table too much of the time. and he might not just be a bad pitcher. he might even be a worse person.
maybe they should put ponson next to mussina in the locker room.
on the other hand,bad idea. it would probably put mussina in a bad mood, and the one he’s in now is too good to mess with.
8:20 start time
I would not be surprised if they have Ponson make one start in the doubleheader and then DFA him. Cashman picks up low risk veterans every year at this time, throws them against the wall and sees who sticks.
anyone think Matsui’s knee could land him on the DL?
With Damon being healthy and Matsui being a question with his knees, I don’t see him going anywhere. Giambi isn’t good fielding, but having his bat working and in the lineup gives it a big boost. Giambi can be gone after this season, the Yankees will need to get a decent bat to replace him though.
If he keeps up with his mashing of the ball, given that Giambi is going to cost money to let him go, the Yankees might even extend him rather than go after someone … say Teixeira.
I am having a hard time figuring out what the Yankees are going to do. The pay big bucks, but will they add a big contract to cover first?
Also, might have a need for pitching and a large man might be available.
This is the 2nd straight year we got someone out of Coastal Carolina. Last year we got Chris Raber out of there.
That was a very convenient rain delay–got to eat dinner and not worry about missing the game.
well since i’m only 21 – I definitely enjoyed that rain delay game they showed – the one-game playoff against the Sox
I’ve played a lot of games at Bucky Dent’s field down here in Florida (”Little Fenway”) – it’s a real good time and a very nice field
lol Rebecca
Well no Homer Bailey against the Yanks on Saturday he was just sent to AAA. So I guess I will see Giese vs another minor leaguer called up. All I know is I will be ticked off if Griffey doesnt play
hey! Looks like baseball!
” The Yankees haven’t started negotiations yet, Keith told me.”
Who’s Keith? The mouse in yout pocket?
gayle…….
Daryl Thompson will be pitching for the Reds. He’s 23 years old straight out of high school 5 years ago. He’ll be making his ML debut. He was drafted by the Expos in ‘03 and traded to Cincy in a package that included Brendan Harris of the Twins now and also brought Felipe Lopez to the Nats.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/T/daryl-thompson.shtml
Be good Rasner
Tabata went yard tonight.
Pratt: LMAO
>anyone think Matsui’s knee could land him on the DL?
I don’t believe so.
He has had a chronic pain on his left knee anyway, since he is 22 or 23. So, I guess he knows how to deal with it. Hope the pain gradually fade away to the extent that he can play.
At least he said the pain on his left knee is not as serious as that on right last year.
Hope hideki can com back sometime tomorrow or the day after.
hahaha Pratt
daryl thompson for reds on saturday. 1st mlb start.
AAA 3 era. on;y 4 starts there. 3 era, but already 4 hr allowed.
Does anyone what’s the deal with Homer Bailey? He was supposed to be the real deal, but obviously having problems. Does anyone have the scoop with his difficulties? SJ44, CB, anyone?
good start!!
Hey, just curious, what’s Peavy’s road ERA?
stay aggressive Rasner – Good job!
Haha, Pratt! Speaking of “haha” did anyone see Jay Bruce’s comment quoted at Fire Joe Morgan?
“There’s only one Ken Griffey.”
Hahaha. Ha. Ha… Good stuff.
Go Ras!
2 Ks!!!
What’s the record for strikeouts in a game? Consecutive k’s to start a game?
Rebecca, Peavys road ERA is 5.40
Rebecca:
Home: 3-2, 1.26
Away: 2-1, 5.40
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=5019
Peavy ERA (away) in 2008 – 5.40 (4 games)
Wow, Betemit.
Wilson!!! Not a good start. I can’t believe I’m actually already missing Giambi’s glove
Wilson, these errors, please do not make.
THanks guys.
looks like rodger dorn at 1st. He’s not about to risk personal injury, or deface that property for rasner.
ugh. period.
Is Betemit worse than Giambi in the field? Is that possible??
We need a real first baseman please.
Joe from LI……..
Homer Bailey hasn’t been able to throw his change up over the plate consistent, his only consistent pitch has been his fastball. That’s part of the problem I think.
Ugh Wilson.
Get to work bats.
Wilson is a disaster in the field…
Speaking of Betemeit, he was signed by the Braves…at age 14……….Random, I know.
betemit stinks. with alberto gonzalez up why cant we give Jason Lane a shot or Miranda (when he is healthy)
Derek walked congrats..lets have a party
HAVE to score this inning if we want to beat Peavy
Guys, has anyone seen Jeff Passans article on Yahoo! It has the all – overpaid and underpaid teams. Ofcourse Pavano is on it, the only other Yank is Jeet.
In terms of what he brings to the Yankees in terms of revenue and marketability, they definitley do not overpay Jeter.
Hey look! A run!
sounds like a fun article matt – you have a link?
…I thought if it hits the runner, the runner’s out? How does that work?
JoeT…..here ya go.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Av8H74ldTcrfQh2G5TG_zDcRvLYF?slug=jp-overunder061808&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
can a run come easier than that?
Rebecca – batted ball hits the runner he’s out, if they throw it into you it’s a live ball and you’re safe
Rebecca.
I believe that’s only when someone hits it and the runner attempting to advance a base gets hit by it.
Rebecca -
Is it time to mention SAFFRON RISOTTO yet
Did peavy go to college?
:shakes head:
Leave it to randy to bring up Livan.
Livan Hernandez is making $5M.
The Yankees will be paying Ponson the prorated minimum.
Livan Hernandez is in the majors.
Ponson isn’t even on the 40 man roster.
In his last 6 games, Livan Hernandez has the following lines (IP/H/BB/R):
5.1/10/2/5
6/13/0/6
6/13/1/5
4/8/1/7
3/12/0/7
7/5/0/1
Man, sign me up for some of THAT, lol.
can we get more runs?
Joe and Matt: Thank you!
Anyone but Farnsworth……..
No, he didn’t go to college.
I don’t think Peavy went to college
No problem Rebecca!
Great abat making peavy work..
Peavy wasn’t a big prospect either….he went in the 15th round.
Three Ks for Ras already!
Rasner always throws first pitch strike thats a great quality.. dont want to jinx him.. but he needs those first pitch strikes to set up his breaking balls.
1st inning haiku:
Ras K’s 2 looking!
A run off Peavy
The big bats looked small
I’m at the San Diego airport. You would think one TV here would have on the Yanks-Pads game. Nope. I get to watch the team formerly known as the Devil Rays pound the Cubbies.
Wow.
Rock on Razzy!
I think that Jake Peavy was secretly traded to the Yankees and started wearing Rasner’s number.
Okay Michael Kay is making this Padres team like if there actually a great hitting team.This team is awful of course Rasner and Pettitte are gonna throw these kinda srikeout numbers.
Im sry Cone but we have the wrong batter up there to work the count
Hey! Robbie with a double!
Nice Robbie! Good AB!
Bah, copy paste gods got me!
1st inning should have said:
Ras K’s 2 looking!
The big bats looked small
A run off Peavy
Pete, if you look at Betemit on bb-ref, he was an above-average offensive player (by OPS+) in 2005, 6, and 7. Only barely, but still. And he’s just 26, which means a little improvement over that is reasonable to expect. And he can play the infield, multiple positions, albeit mediocre at all of them. And, last but not least, everybody else on our bench is WORSE! He’s not a “loveable” jerk like Shelley, but much more useful.
That said, the kind of guys who make it as mlb bench players are the guys who look better to the eye than by the numbers. Betemit is vice versa. He’s probably not gonna stick around…..
Who’s afraid of Jake Peavey? Over 30 pitches on the night so far before he got his first out of the second inning – and he’s going to be limited to 80 pitches or so tonight. Hellloooooo, bullpen!
You just can’t stop Cy Rasner. It is that simple.
robby cano is 6 for his last 9!
Apparently I can’t count. Must be distracted by the massive thunderstorm outside my house!
Anyone got a big paperbag I can put over my head? LOL!
dunkerrrrr
Well, there’s one Pete.
Funny, Wilson cursed when he missed that pitch.
Okay, Wilson, I forgive you.
C’mon Melky, it’s your turn to heat up. There’s a start.
Mmmhhmm.
Melky hit that well, but at someone.
Thank you Wilson!
Someone forgot to bring his A-game today.
JAKE WHO????
27 unanswered runs for yanks..niiiice
Damon is on track for 6 hits again.
would anyone like to think of this as a metaphor?
27 un-answered runs
27 championships after this year
27 unanswered runs. I like that number !!!
Johnny!
The Padres are making the Mariners look good right now. I mean, has anything gone right for them yet?
Considering how bad SD’s offense is, 4 runs should be a win for us tonight.
WOW. This game’s pretty much over. Steal 2nd everytime Yanks, the catcher is obviously lost.
how many bullpen guys did padres use last night? a lot right? sothey need length from peavy
52 pitches for Peavy. Yikes!
Too bad both Wang and Matsui are out for the season. ugh…
Damon is having a terrific season… he is practically carrying the team.
Too bad the yankees will be the last team standing, and all will be right in the world
The Padres’ defense is not helping them, at all. However, there’s still a lot off baseball left–so don’t jinx it
Wow, watching how sloppy the Padres have been so far in this series really puts the Yankees season into better perspective. Though they really have not put it together until now, there was not any stretch where they looked this sloppy or mentally out of it.
peavy has thrown exactly twice as many pitches as rasner…54 to 27 yikes hope it keeps up
2nd inning haiku
2 more runs off Jake
He likes to talk to himself
Rasner racks up K’s
Wonder what Peavy or Webb’s ERA in AL parks?
Damon and Giambi have been terrific the last couple of weeks. It just comes back around to the whole issue of the Yankees starting slow every year lately. If those guys had been hitting close to this well all along, we’d never have been 7 games back. Good to see the offense on the whole in gear now.
This is random, but I was at Borgata casino today in ac today playing some blackjack with friends when NICK JOHNSON sits down right next to me. He was very friendly and almost a little shocked someone recognized him.
Does anybody know how old Peavy is?
Ach, Ras, let’s get some outs here!
Oh no there’s a walk
Razzle-Dazzle don’t be scared
Whoa bat explosion
come on Raz
Second time through the order. Hope the wheels don’t fall off here.
Ras, strike zone, please find it. Thanks.
Alright, now the only good news we need is that Matsui needs no more draining of his leg
jamesjk:
Peavy’s is ERA in AL Parks is 1.20 but mostly because he owns Seattle (15 IP, 0 ER in Safeco). The Angels, Tigers and Royals have each hit him in their parks.
Just want to get this out
Our Juvenile Deliquent is at it again
1 for 2, 2R, BB, 2 RBI, HR
The HR was to centerfield
It is all good.
Ach Ras.
Well, there goes the streak. What was it, 25 scoreless innings or something?
I don’t like the way Jorge is calling this inning. When Raz was striking guys out he was mixing it up and working to both sides of the plate.
This inning he has become way too predictable. Just like his start at Oakland. Going away away away. He has totally abandoned his curveball also.
It might be after midnight for this cinderella. C;mon Rasner, settle down!
c’mon Ras, get the third out!
Rasner has to end the inning here. The Yankees need to hold the lead. They are facing Peavy, not some scrub.
Oh man. What is going on Rasner. 1 more out
Rasner sucks once again!!
Rasner’s getting cold
Ladies and gents, new starting
pitcher: Kyle Farnsworth.
Fran, the Yankees aren’t only facing Peavy, they’re facing the scrubs playing behind him. Let’s hope they continue playing the way they have behind Jake and this whole series is in the bag.
This is all Posada’s fault BTW.
you guys see this video/article on ESPN??
Georgia High School AAA Championship – Pitcher drilled the umpire with a fastball as the catcher pulled a “drop and block” like it was a curve ball in the dirt.
It kind of looks like the catcher did call a curve ball but it still definitely looks on purpose
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3450245
oh boy the rose on this one is coming off
very long inning from ras…needs to end now
C’mon Ras-you can do it!
GO YANKS!
find your control Ras !
This very well could be the game right here. He’s gotta limit the damage.
Everyone has tough innings.
If Ras gets out of it, he does so with the lead.
Posada either needs to work things out with Rasner or use his starts as his day off. Rasner has a curveball and I’m seeing almost none of it.
Stormrider – good point
Hawkins is the long man tonight.
We’re going to need some more runs.
And that is that.
Wow that was ugly.
Hopefully he can regroup and give us 2-3 more. I think he can.
Rasner just flat out stinks.
He’s a 5th starter.
We need another ace (or one) if we are going to win.
Rasner… the master of suspense.
phew…41 pitches but only 2 runs padres left bases loaded
That is finally over with. yuck. But I guess it could have been worse.
He’s at 68 pitches now
Get back to work bats
Thank goodness he got out of that. Now hopefully the boys make this a long inning so he can catch his breath
Rasner got out of the jam!
Maybe next start they put Rasner back with Moeller? The two worked really well together.
Anyway, the Yankees need to score some more runs. Not comfortable with a one run lead and Hawkins pitching.
*exhales*
Okay, offense, back to work. Remember, make contact and force the defense to make errors. I mean, plays. If the Pads are capable of making plays…
41 pitches that inning
anyone paying attention? i have the game on but not really focusing on it.
Can rasners troubles in the past two starts be attributed to he and posada being unfamiliar with eachother?
…That’s not how you score more runs, Bobby.
Rasner does not flat out suck. Rasner is slightly better than mediocre. Kei Igawa flat-out sucks. There is a significant difference.
Rasner was never going to be able to maintain a sub 4 ERA. I think he can keep it below five, and give us some innings.
Abreu needs to pick it up.
he’s AMAZING
A-Rod sez: There’s your run support, Darrell.
JESUS CHRIST
Arod!!! He’s on fire!!
Way to go Rasner!
We get 3 runs in 2 innings off the NL Cy Young winner and you give it right back.
Holy mother of…
THAT is how you score more runs.
Also, fourth in four games.
Yesssssssss!
How very obliging of Alex. Too bad Bobby didn’t get on.
I know I’m knitpicking…. and I don’t really care… but I wonder how many of A-Rod’s HR this season have been solo shots?
No doubt about that one! Alex adds to the lead.
…or just knock it over the fence. That works, too.
Time for the stache to answer Alex right back.
Anytime you hit one over the monuments you really tatooed it. That was an A-BOMB!
Frank:
He’s hit 8 solo shots of 14 total.
Alex!
That is a clutch HR by Alex. Pads narrow the gap and A-Rod add to the difference. Pads must be very disappointed.
Ron:
How do you find that out?
You can’t blame Darrel Rasner.If Cashman actually thinking(which he isn’t) That RAsner,Giese,Ponson are more then Spot staters then we are in trouble.But lucky A-Rod is hitting like a MVP.
So I’m taking bets, who has more HR at the end of the year?
Alex or Jason?
Robbie looks like he wants to murder the ball.
I know I’m knitpicking…. and I don’t really care… but I wonder how many of A-Rod’s HR this season have been solo shots?
8 counting tonight’s
Third inning haiku:
Forty-one pitches
Rasner bent but did not break
An ABomb, 4-2
cano is mashing…pls let it stay this way
Scot,
TKX. 1.2 in AL parks. That good! I like to see him pitch more AL east.
So I’m taking bets, who has more HR at the end of the year?
Alex or Jason?
Alex. Jason will miss games due to injury and/or fall into hideous slumps.
Cano was right on that pitch.
Peavy is being even less efficient than Rasner.
also Alex has 3 w/ RISP
and 3 w/ a runner on 1B
Frank:
Simple. Gameday has A-Rod’s numbers with the bases empty.
and 6 of his 13 HR are w/ 2 outs incase anyone wants to know.
There’s a good start. This Padres offense is so obliging.
It would have been nice for the Cubs to beat the Rays in this series.
Rebecca – Alex by at least 10…. probably closer to the 15-20 range
I think A-Rod still finishes with 40-45 bombs
Giambi hits 30-35
“So I’m taking bets, who has more HR at the end of the year?
Alex or Jason?”
I vote Alex. What if Jason shaves his stache or loses his magic thong? He loses all his power.
Damn, I would be angry as hell if I were a Padres fan.
David NY June 18th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Rasner just flat out stinks.
He may not be good but stinks? What is Igawa then? Scum of the earth??
All right then, Alex it is. But Alex doesn’t have as cool a mustache though!
Another thing to realize is that Rasner’s command, while decent, is not going to allow him to support a 2.0/9 BB ratio.
Jason: Rasner does not stink, but yes, Igawa is approximately the Scum of the earth – possibly something lower that can only be described as “Igawa” or possibly even “Pavano”
4 walks this game not good
When Raz gets into trouble is when he consistantly goes to that outside corner. That’s how Oakland got to him. They sat over the plate and went the other way.
I know this.
It would be nice for Posada to learn this.
Strikes Rasner
Strikes
Rebecca – count me in for Alex
This is what I meant about Rasner and looking for the CG excuse, he needs to throw strikes what I see right now is a guy not challenging batters and is trying to paint too much.
Damn nice throw.
So is his arm in the field strong because he hits home runs, or does he hit home runs because he has a strong arm?
You know, I grew a mustache out for a full year and it wasn’t half as glorious as Giambi’s… How long has he been at it?
I’m not sure, but I might be in love with Alex Rodriguez.
a rod is the best, no doubt about it
A-Rod had better be the All-Star starter. I think he’s leading the AL in OPS.
For what it’s worth…I think the HP umpire has been squeezing both Rasner and Jake Peavy a bit. He certainly seems to have a smaller strike zone than some other umpires we’ve seen.
ARod has like a 700,000 vote lead. Obviously he is the starter
Ooooohhhhhh!! Let’s go Cubbies!
In answer to the question earlier, while we should never underestimate the power of the ’stache, A-Rod will have more HR’s. And he is playing an amazing 3b!
I know this was the last thread but Tabata could be good. Send him to High A. He is 19, give him till 23, rest of this season at High A, next year at AA, year after half AA with call up to AAA and then within a year he will be ready. By the time he is 23 or 24, he could be really good. He is young right now.
Wasn’t Peavy’s pitch count around 80?
Check out Peavy sprinting and sliding for a foul ball that both his catcher and third baseman had an eye on!
when is melky going to do something at the plate?
I still cant believe Betemit’s double, lucky bastard.
how many has Peavy thrown so far?
Peavy is at 86
That’s so nice to see.
You think Melky’s auditioning for US Diving, Beijing 08?
Melky is hilarious
Melky did a passable Superman impression on that slide! Seriously, knock it off before you get hurt!
Peavy’s on a pitch count?
The booth is right. For someone who slides so often, Melky is the worst slider.
why did he dive like that, he’ll never learn
Yes, Rasner hasn’t been sharp and he has given up 4 walks. He’s also held them to 2 runs over 4 innings. I’ll take that out of a fifth starter any day. That’s not better than a chump like Igawa? Whatever. Seriously, some fans just aren’t happy unless they have something to bitch about – even if it’s a manufactured figment of their imagination.
Rasner is NOT going to become a replacement for Wang. There is no sense in trying to hold him to a standard that is unreasonable.
Captain Clutch time.
some more cushion would be nice
that slide was awesome…
C’mon Jeter, get out of this slump with a patented poke to right.
4th inning haiku:
Quick inning for Ras
Quick inning for Peavy too
Neither should see the 6th
Another referendum on the “superb Yankee Farn” Rasner, is this four bad outings in a row? Time for a trade. Another guy who “is pitching lights out in SWB” that cannot get out lousy Major League hitters, heres another farm hand that cant do it–time for a change
Oh come on Cubbies
ok that was seriously funny melky !!
Peavy is at 93 pitches now
Peavy at 93
Trenton lost 9-7 it sounded like the Juvenile Deliquent just missed hitting a game tying HR w/ a pop up to RF.
2 for 4, 2 R, a 2 out 2 run HR for JD
Ajack was 2 for 5, Jackson’s HR streak ends
Captain clutch didn’t clutch then.
Come on Rasner, throw some strikes like you were doing before!
Another referendum on the “superb Yankee Farn” Rasner, is this four bad outings in a row? Time for a trade. Another guy who “is pitching lights out in SWB” that cannot get out lousy Major League hitters, heres another farm hand that cant do it. Seen it all beforre
Isn’t it nice to see the Yankees force out a stud pitcher with a high pitch count so early? Seems like they are back to their patient ways
Rasner is a AAAA pitcher Yankee Lover. He is not even considered a prospect.
Rasner is eating innings, and last I looked, score is 4-2 us.
Works for me.
Wow these pitchers are getting SQUEEZED.
com’on FUKU !
“Another referendum on the “superb Yankee Farn†Rasner, is this four bad outings in a row? Time for a trade. Another guy who “is pitching lights out in SWB†that cannot get out lousy Major League hitters, heres another farm hand that cant do it. Seen it all beforre”
Yeah, we should totally trade Rasner. What a brilliant idea. I wonder what we’d get for him!
Go back to playing MLB 2k8.
the announcer guys who’s sitting in bob sheppard’s seat is begining to sound normal, im afraid to say.
if rasner goes 5 and only allows runs, you take that out of your #5 starter. the offense is going to have to help out the bullpen here, winning games like this is what keeps long winning streaks going.
big game to win here!
Rebecca- I dont think Melky qualifies for the US dive team.
Rasner through 5 with the lead, but don’t know how much longer he’ll be in.
Little known fact: Kim Jones is Bob Sheppard’s niece
Argh! Rays win
(btw..I can’t believe I care)
Fukudome strikes out looking at ball 3
Rasner @ 96 pitches now
Not Rasner’s best effort, but not bad…now, if he can pitch into the 7th…
Let’s get some more runs!
GO YANKS!
I’m not quite sure how Rasner has held SD to just two runs, but the fact is, so far, anyway, he has. That’s what we need from him–innings and to keep us in the game, which he is doing.
He’s not Joba, and he’s not going to be a two or three (at least, not on the Yankees), but he’s doing, more or less, everything the yankees have asked of him.
SIDNEY PONSON?????? AGAIN ?????????? WHY???????????
Thankfully we’ve knocked out Peavy. Good work by the lineup making him work.
5 IP/2 runs? I’ll take that from the fifth slot. No shame in that, Rasner. For that matter, you did outpitch and outlast Peavy.
I really like Rasner and hope he sticks around, but isnt SD statistically the worse offense in MLB?
“He’s not Joba, and he’s not going to be a two or three (at least, not on the Yankees), but he’s doing, more or less, everything the yankees have asked of him.”
Thats really all you can ask. I think all things considered, that overall he’s done just fine for them.
Rasner didn’t have his best stuff tonight and he was able to battle through it.
“I really like Rasner and hope he sticks around, but isnt SD statistically the worse offense in MLB?”
They’re still a major league team, capable of winning 70+ games. Anytime a 5th starter pitches well, just enjoy it.
Remember, that could be Igawa on the mound, eh?
He handled Adrian Gonzalez pretty well.
WOW! that super bowl ring sure looked nice!
Bobby needs to snap out of this funk. Especially if Matsui ends of going down for a while.
Second to worst at runs per game; the Nats are even worse.
WTG ARod.
A-Rod is really starting to turn on those inside pitches. That’s bad news for all pitchers.
Spags!
Time for some ’stache power…. heads up in the upper deck
Another referendum on the “superb Yankee Farn†Rasner, is this four bad outings in a row? Time for a trade. Another guy who “is pitching lights out in SWB†that cannot get out lousy Major League hitters, heres another farm hand that cant do it. Seen it all before
Other than the start in Oakland, your ripping Rasner for losing a 2-0 start and a 1-0 game in baltimore
MAY 04 SEA 6.0 IP 5 H 2 ER WIN
MAY 10 @DET 6.0 IP 4 H 2 ER WIN
MAY 21 BAL 7.0 IP 5 H 0 ER WIN
MAY 26 @BAL 6.0 IP 5 H 1 ER LOSS
JUN 01 @MIN 5.1 IP 8 H 4 ER LOSS(The minor league blind ump game)
JUN 06 KC 0 8.0 IP 9 H 2 ER LOSS
What’s w/ the Rasner hate from you ?
Joe T’s headline is making me think – Can Willie be what Larry Bowa was to Cano? Even though he’s doing a bit better lately, I still think he needs a mentor.
I think the power of the ’stache only works when Jason plays first?
my feeling is, i dont care who’s not here, i only care who’s here and ready to play, those guys just have to go win every game.
this team looks hot tonight this is a game to steal with rasner v. peavy. i dont care what the other teams did today, just win this game.
That catcher caught that ball with an attitude.
If and when Matsui gets healthy, i’d like too see him in the 3 hole. Abreu and Jeter just arent giving him enough RBI chances during this hot streak.
WTG Jorge!
Woohoo!! Gotta love those 2 out hits with RISP.
Cano looks a -lot- better at the plate. He was grounding out on that ’strike 1′ as recently as last week.
That was a nice hit by Jorgie.
hitting w/ RISP oh man how I missed that.
if it were to become available, i think willie would be a great choice to go manage in scranton, if he’d take it. he would be a great guy to teach the yankees way and it might resurect his managing career.
Frank: “I’m not sure, but I might be in love with Alex Rodriguez.”
I’ll fight ya for him!
“Yes, Rasner hasn’t been sharp and he has given up 4 walks. He’s also held them to 2 runs over 4 innings. I’ll take that out of a fifth starter any day. That’s not better than a chump like Igawa? Whatever. Seriously, some fans just aren’t happy unless they have something to bitch about – even if it’s a manufactured figment of their imagination.”
I agree wholeheartedly. I just checked in and see all the Rasner complaints. Meanwhile he’s pitched five innings and given up two runs.
I don’t understand what all of this animosity towards Rasner is about?
The guy hasn’t pitched since June 11. He’s a feel pitcher. It’s not that surprising his control was off tonight.
He did what quality pitchers do – he gutted out innings on a night when he didn’t have his best stuff.
And he did it on a night when he was facing one of the league’s elite pitchers. Say what you want but he pitched better than Peavy did tonight.
With this offense the yankees should win the vast majority of games in which Rasner gives up 2 runs over 5 innings.
How much better than Rasner is Joe Blanton? Billy Beane asked for Joba and Hughes for Blanton.
Rasner has done his job and has been a huge lift for this staff.
Rasner sails through five
Peavy can’t pitch past the 4th
ARod scores, 5-2
I am so glad that “swing at first pitch” Robbie has calmed down at the plate. Quality AB’s benefit the whole team even when he does strike out.
Man, Cano almost hurt himself swinging at that one.
If Rasner doesn’t come out for the 6th, it was still a very good outing. Rasner is the Yanks 4/5 guy and he beat (or is beating the Cy Young Award winner – Peavy). It was obvious the ump has been squeezing both leading to walks and grooved pitches and yet Rasner outperformed Peavy. They don’t give style points!
Also Pete did Rasner spit in your red bull? You’ve been real negative about him and I don’t get why. He’s had one bad start in eight appearances. Pettitte had about five badstarts in a row including a 10 er game, Mussina was real spotty early over starts and even CMW had four clunkers in a row. It happens. Rasner has kept them in all the games except Oakland. Even in that game it was an error by the Big G that helped open the foodgates. Before tonight in his previous 4 starts the Yanks scored 0,1,1,1 runs for him in those games.
I take that out of #4/5 starter anyday
5ip / 2er = 3.6 era…i’m buying ras a beer after the game…hell, i’m so grateful i’d let him makeout with my girlfriend…..D did his job, was gritty and didn’t cave in.
hey, rasner is our #5 guy, you have to be happy with 5 innings 2 runs from your #5. you cant just start expecting the guy to become a better pitcher just because we lost a guy at the top of the rotation. he did great, the bullpen and the offense have to win this one. and rasner lost 2 in a row (before oakland) the he would have won if he’d gotten any support.
time for the bp to stand up
I remember when #’s 4 and 5 were named Small and Chacon, Pete. That’s a pretty dumb comment at 9:33, there. It’s not the name. It’s the result.
I’ll take gutting it out for five innings like Rasner just did any day.
Robi looks better I still say he won’t be all there until midway next month.
Oh and you homewreckers better stay away from Alex
“I am so glad that “swing at first pitch†Robbie has calmed down at the plate. Quality AB’s benefit the whole team even when he does strike out.”
Totally agreed. His approach looks SO much better now. Even the hottest hitters get out, or even strike out.
I’ll take a 6 pitch strikeout over a 1 pitch weak groundout ANY day of the week.
Not to bring the crowd down, but the Crock Sox continue to win even with both Ortiz and Ramirez out of the lineup. Yeah, thinking about it makes me want to hurl too.
“Oh and you homewreckers better stay away from Alex ”
A-Rod better stay away from me. Sometimes, a girl just can’t help herself.
Really, the hating on rasner should stop. He didn’t have good command tonight, and he still found a way to hang on to the lead. Only giving up 2 runs over 5 innings isn’t terrible either. I think Andy Pettitte has given up more leads this year than Rasner.
He is not an “ace” pitcher, but he sure seems serviceable to me. Probably better than serviceable because he knows how to pitch and also how to battle without his best stuff or command.
“How much better than Rasner is Joe Blanton?”
About a negative 20% better this season… xP
laura i have no idea who you’re talking about. there are only 2 teams, the yankees and the team the yankees are playing. if the yankees beat the team they’re playing 2 out of 3 the rest of the way, the yankees will win the division.
no scoreboad needed.
“UPDATE, 10:20 p.m.: In an emotional moment here at the Stadium, “George, a Met Life Financial Advisor†pulled the countdown lever.
Apparently the homeless guy with the cart on the Deegan northbound ramp was busy. That’s like three Met Life employees who have done it this season. Did the Yankees give this thing any thought whatsoever?”
I’ve only made it out to one game this year (Mussina’s implosion vs. the Red Sox :shake:), and I don’t even remember the lever pulling.
It’s a much worse deal than the Cardinals did in their final season: http://www.cardsclubhouse.com/guide/busch2_countdown.php
“UPDATE, 10:20 p.m.: In an emotional moment here at the Stadium, “George, a Met Life Financial Advisor†pulled the countdown lever.”
lol. They should have had Spags do it
The lever countdown is getting worse. Tonight they have a “financial adviser from Metlife”. I know metlife is the sponsor and all, but if they’re gonna get a bunch of nobies pulling the thing, they should at least get kids who are Yankee fans to do it.
Edwar stands up!
Maybe I’m being a little dense, but what exactly are the Rays supposed to do with Griffey? Don’t they already have a CF and a DH?
Very impressive inning for Edwar
Holy Edwar looks good tonight!
Edwar has been just filthy this year. Let him pitch the seventh, and hold on to your hats for Krazy Kyle in the 8th.
Wow – Robbie has a better avg than the 7, 8 and 9 hitters in the SD line-up. YIKES!
Shouldn’t they be putting those revenue sharing dollars to work? That is brutal.
On Homer Bailey – here’s a very good scouting report on his regression:
http://www.baseball-intellect.com/Articles/scouting-homer-bailey.html
“Maybe I’m being a little dense, but what exactly are the Rays supposed to do with Griffey? Don’t they already have a CF and a DH?”
Griffey’s an RF now – not fast enough for CF anymore.
Pete -
One, it’s MetLife, not Met Life.
Two, it’s a MetLife Financial Services Representative, not “Financial Advisor”.
Three, MetLife has spent a ton on the Yankees this season. I think they’re entitled.
BTW, I work for Prudential.
You want to talk about crap, how about this Fox Business “Happy Hour” crap that we have to see on YES?
c’mon offense, pour it on!
“Apparently the homeless guy with the cart on the Deegan northbound ramp was busy. ”
LMAO
“laura i have no idea who you’re talking about. there are only 2 teams, the yankees and the team the yankees are playing. if the yankees beat the team they’re playing 2 out of 3 the rest of the way, the yankees will win the division.
no scoreboad needed.”
I’d like to get my hands on whatever it is that you are smoking. Heeheehee!!
All kidding aside, I’m one of those believers in scoreboard watching. You have to know what your competition is doing. Helps you keep focus. Just my opinion.
Pete is jealous that he doesn’t get to pull the lever…
Sorry Pete
Edwar’s on his game tonight
These are the games we were not winning earlier in the season, where the pitching isn’t absolutely great and the offense couldn’t pick them up.
Now the offense is on fire most games and when it’s not the pitching is doing enough to win like the 2-1 win in Houston.
Great sign!!
Pete – Maybe the Yanks can get Willie Randolph to pull the lever for that June 27 make-up game with the Mets. I hear Willie’s free at the moment.
Laura: I disagree.
As a fan, to scoreboard watch is one thing, but, if I’m on the Yankees, until September, the ONLY thing I’m doing is worrying about what my team is doing. If my team keeps winning games, everything else will fall into place.
When I went, they had three Giants players (I think one of them was Zack DeOssie) pull the lever.
Let’s be honest – are a lot of celebs gonna be in town for a Yankee game on a Wednesday night?
If anything, the Yankees should get celebs who are in town for Letterman who are promoting stuff. Or maybe MetLife’s sponsorship of the lever pulling prevents that. (Met doesn’t want to cross promote, which limits the celebrities who can be involved… celebs don’t want to show if they don’t get plugged)
rays benched cliff floyd who was thier dh, also their RF is only hitting .260 and they think they need another LH stick. carlos pena is about to come off the dl but he’s only hitting like .230.
Betemit when he gets hits they are hard LD, jesus let him learn to layoff the garbage offspeed pitches on both sides of the plate.
“Griffey’s an RF now – not fast enough for CF anymore.”
I don’t follow the Minor ….um I mean the National League so I missed that. Still, what does TB plan to do with him?
Damn, I thought Melky had that one!
steve spagnollo is there flashing the ring, wouldnt he have made a better choice?
Oh, okay. Thanks, Y’s Guy.
Do you know what would be cool?
If the Yankees do in fact hire Willie Randolph back, they do NOT announce it.
Just have Willie appear, wearing a Yankees cap, and pull the lever. It’ll be like the Clemens deal, but a lot cooler.
Melky just missed that.
Pete should pull the lever.
“Pete -
One, it’s MetLife, not Met Life.
Two, it’s a MetLife Financial Services Representative, not “Financial Advisorâ€.
Three, MetLife has spent a ton on the Yankees this season. I think they’re entitled.
BTW, I work for Prudential.
You want to talk about crap, how about this Fox Business “Happy Hour†crap that we have to see on YES?”
It’s still a sponsor’s employee, and only serves to give more voice to the ‘Yankees are corporate scapegoats’ speakers.
Check out the link I posted earlier about the Cardinals closing Busch II in 2005. Do you see a ‘MetLife Financial Services !2$*@’ on there?
Matty-
Suzyn Waldman would love that
What do you have to do to get on the list to pull the lever? I’ll be at a game sometime in August, and I have a tiny bit of cred… at least more than the “biggest Yankee fan from Rochester”
Long time reader and first time poster. I just got tickets to tomorrows game and got vouchers for the stadium club. Can anyone give me any insight on how much it costs/is it worth it?
“(Met doesn’t want to cross promote, which limits the celebrities who can be involved… celebs don’t want to show if they don’t get plugged)”
Does that mean that Wilfred Brimley is out of the question?
“Laura: I disagree. As a fan, to scoreboard watch is one thing, but, if I’m on the Yankees, until September, the ONLY thing I’m doing is worrying about what my team is doing. If my team keeps winning games, everything else will fall into place.”
Rebecca, you are disagreeing with me? Why, that’s sacrilege!!
I see your point. However, if the Evil Empire continues to win, since they are ahead of the Yankees, it won’t matter what we do; we can’t catch them until they start losing.
“If the Yankees do in fact hire Willie Randolph back, they do NOT announce it.
Just have Willie appear, wearing a Yankees cap, and pull the lever. It’ll be like the Clemens deal, but a lot cooler.”
That would be cool, except for that little issue of can Hank Steinbrenner not blab about it to someone? The man would probably be on the phone with a reporter a minute after Willie was hired.
Wilford Brimley will show up if the lever pumps him full of insulin. for his DIABEETUS
v
can you explain why livan hernandez is 7th in the american league in innings and 15th in all of baseball?
oh and by the way, the yankee bullpen is going to have to pitch 4 innings tonight.
it’s a really interesting list of pitchers:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching?sort=thirdInnings&split=0&league=mlb&season=2008&seasonType=2&type=reg&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&hand=a&pos=all&minip=0
“Just have Willie appear, wearing a Yankees cap, and pull the lever. It’ll be like the Clemens deal, but a lot cooler.”
I have a feeling that Willie is going to be MIA for quite a while. Probably won’t see him again until the stadium closing ceremony in November.
AJ -
“GOODNESS GRACIOUS, WILLIE RANDOLPH IS HERE AND HE’S PULLING THE LEVER! OUT OF ALL THE THINGS I’VE SEEN… JORGE POSADA IS LAUGHING, HE KNEW ALL THE TIME!”
“can you explain why livan hernandez is 7th in the american league in innings and 15th in all of baseball?”
Because nobody picked up Erick Threet
If I was Willie Randolph, and being paid through the end of 2009, I’d get the hell out of Dodge and spend the next two weeks in Maui with my family.
Brian – I went to the Stadium Club once, with a friend who had passes. I don’t remember how much it cost, but the food was top notch.
Another say where the Yanks are winning and everybody else in the AL East has already done so. When are the Yanks gonna get a break even Tampa won again against Zambrano some Ace he is.
*day
For all the Venture Brother fans:
“Please stand by for… The Lever.”
“Please do not look away from… The Lever.”
“The Lever will now calibrate.”
So the Padres have a third baseman named Chase Hedy?
randy – Livan has a 5.50 ERA (I’ll add this to the ‘I told you so’
).
A 5.50 ERA is horrid. It’s replacement level. Replacement level is horrible. A team of replacement level players is a 20-30 win team.
I don’t care if he throws 400 innings this season. But if they’re 5.50 ERA, 1.60 WHIP innings, that’s garbage.
Thanks Joe I think I’m gonna give it a try since i figure im probably never gonna luck into them again
Pedro Mormon and Mario Soto (the link to Edwar’s changeup)
Zambrano left the game with shoulder discomfort. If he is out for any extended time the Cubs will probably also be in the market for a top of the rotation starter.
“So the Padres have a third baseman named Chase Hedy?”
Chase Headley. Decent prospect (stick first, defense is ‘eh’), recently called up.
Wow Edwar looks filthy right now.
“Wow Edwar looks filthy right now.”
Case in point of not giving up on a guy when he’s mediocre in his first ML season
Chase Headley? Is that like Headley Lamarr?
Also, if the Cubs need a top of the rotation starter… I’d like to see CC in pinstripes, but not at what it would cost today. I’d be just as happy to see him in the National League.
A-rod looks realy preppy in that ed-hardy shirt..I hate that style
Edwar is going to be devastating to NL teams that haven’t seen his changeup before. They look absolutely lost.
Not sure what I think about this Hard Rock Cafe thing. Sounds cheesy. The stadium should be for baseball. Nothing else.
Matt: LMAO
I was going to say we got the good Edwar tonight, and then Giles sent one to right field.
Brandon – it’s Pedro Borbon.
one of the most patient hitters in baseball. Dammit.
Dammit, I jinxed that. My bad. At least it was a fastball.
Edwar does not impress me.
“Also, if the Cubs need a top of the rotation starter… I’d like to see CC in pinstripes, but not at what it would cost today. I’d be just as happy to see him in the National League.”
If Zambrano goes down, I could see the Cubs opening up their minors for the pickings. They’re in it to win this year.
They don’t have the high ceiling guys or the depth of the Yankees, but they have enough 2nd tier prospects to make something happen.
Rebecca: Fordham is getting a lot of “love” in the booth tonight!
I take it back.
Oops.
Edwar missed there.
I was in fact going for the cheap Blazing Saddles joke with the Hedy/Headley reference.
Is anyone a Ron and Fez fan here?
“Edwar does not impress me.”
I bet he’s really hurt.
“Chase Headley. Decent prospect (stick first, defense is ‘eh’), recently called up.”
Someone can read ESPN. Congrats!
thank goodness for those insurance runs
Joe …Pedro Borbón
Zambrano will be fine. He gets cramps everywhere, and almost always makes his next start. He’s the definition of a horse.
Good article on the Joba to starter gig
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=423042
Um…this isn’t good.
Adrian Gonzalez is an excellent hitter :shake:
WOW this sucks
I just realized that Edwar looks like Michael Jackson.
oh shh…. he’s having one of those bad streaks..spirit of Billy Wagner please leave.
oh crap
Edwar is batting practice.
Who puts him out there more than one inning?
Thanks Girardi for using Veras and Mo in an 8 run game last night too.
This guy is a horrendous manager.
get him out of there
V-
Headley is also playing out of position, he’s a 3B.
Poor Edwar. I hope he doesn’t get discouraged. I hope this means no Kyle in 8th.
Edwar!!!
When he gives them up, he really gives them up
merk
Uh oh… Come on, Edwar! Get back in there, you can do this!
Not good, Edwar.
That was pretty obvious after the meatball to Giles. Ramirez has to learn that in the majors after you give up a run you have to get the next person out and not stand there and cry about it…
And this is the problem with Edwar… I love him, he’s one of my fav pitchers… but its like you’ve got a 50/50 chance of fastball or change-up… just guess correctly… and its over.
Stormrider: Fordham is! No Syracuse love, though…
Edwar Ramirez: Flirting with danger is my middle name!
And that boys and girls, is why Edwar can never be taken seriously as a relief pitcher in a close game. He is a homer machine.
C’mon Edwar.
I’m just scared that Girardi will use Farnsworth in the 8th.
Okay. More runs?
Ouch!
No Mas!
I don’t know why Sterling insists on doing his HR schtick when the opposing team hits a dinger – he even did the annoying belly-to-belly line which I don’t even like when the Yanks do it.
“Who puts him out there more than one inning?”
Agreed.
Edwar R is a change of pace pitcher. 2 innings is way too much.
2 terrible pitches to their 2 best hitters. The change up looked good.
I really want Edwar to do well…why must he disappoint me
offense has to get going. they cant expect the bullpen to not give up a run or two. middle of the order here, we need a couple more.
“Edwar is batting practice.
Who puts him out there more than one inning?
Thanks Girardi for using Veras and Mo in an 8 run game last night too.
This guy is a horrendous manager.”
Go away. Your baseball IQ has to be below 70.
Mo was used last night because he hadn’t been used since Thursday. Would you rather he sit for 2 weeks if not needed, as Torre was wont to do?
Two bad pitches = two HRs to good hitters :shrug: You tip your cap to ‘em, and give thanks you’re still leading.
We still got the lead
Bats, do your thing
Edwar is throwing too many changeups and becoming predictable. The reason he had been pitching so well is he was using his fastball more than the change. He needs to get back to what he was doing.
This is off topic, but Barry Zito is 2-11 with an ERA over 6. He has officially become the worst signing in recent years, just edging out Carl Pavano for the title.
Can the person who was explaining how not having a lefty was fine and dandy b/c Edwar could handle lefty hitters with the change up?
Remember that guy we got from the Braves (Hammond?) who they thought could do the same thing? That didn’t work out either.
We need a lefty in the pen who is reliable.
Kyle Farnsworth, come on down!!!!!!
Matt:
Those are the second and third homers he’s allowed all year. To put things in perspective, Mo’s allowed two, and Farnsworth 8.
at least he didn’t walk anyone before the dingers
“If Zambrano goes down, I could see the Cubs opening up their minors for the pickings. They’re in it to win this year.”
Thanks, Captain Obvious! Are they really in it to win it this year considering they have the majors best record???
Wow. The smart posts here blow the mind.
get to work bats
That’s on Girardi — he shouldn’t be out there for 2 innings.
When you have one filthy pitch you tend to over-use it and thats exactly what Edwar did.
5-4 Padres?
Wow, the Yankees have won 5 straight, are still leading, and the reactionary idiots are calling for Edwar’s head. :shake: :shake: :shake:
AFTER those HRs, Edwar has a 2.86 ERA on the season.
If you morons ran the team, Giambi would have been DFAd in April, and be mashing for the As, Damon and Matsui wouldn’t been dealt to the Giants for Eric Threets, Cano, Melky, and Hughes would be in Cleveland for CC, etc.
Just, go away.
The Giles AB I really wanted him to get that out, because getting that out would have been big especially vs one of the most patient hitters in the NL, Gonzalez was pure talent and bad location.
Jose Veras needs to be shut down in the 8th.
“Two bad pitches = two HRs to good hitters :shrug: You tip your cap to ‘em, and give thanks you’re still leading.”
You want your main set up men in close games to do what? Give up homers and just say “shrug”?
How about you “Go Away” with that crap.
Giles ain’t exactly a HR hitter, chief. Do your research before you run your mouth off on posts.
PJH:
Sorry, but you are completely wrong. Both homers were on fastballs. His pitch sequence is fine. Last year he couldn’t throw the fastball for strikes. This year, he’s got it working.
It’s just a hiccup.
Oh, and Edwar’s holding lefties to a sub .200 average with a boatload of Ks.
“There’s Edwar Ramirez in a nutshell. Strikes out three of five guys, then gives up a bomb. You can only fool Major League hitters for so long.”
I agree.
I would be surprised if Edwar will be part of the final revamped bullpen by Mid-August.
Ramirez is good for 1 or 2 batters at a time. Or 1 inning max that is all!!! Once batters see too much about him he gets killed. His stuff….1 pitch is not good enough to consistently get people out. I don’t know why Veras pitched yesterday. That was stupid.
“Thanks, Captain Obvious! Are they really in it to win it this year considering they have the majors best record??? Wow. The smart posts here blow the mind.”
Woke up on the wrong side of the bed I see. No need for the venom. The post didn’t warrant it.
nice going Cap!! Timely hit again
“If you morons ran the team, Giambi would have been DFAd in April, and be mashing for the As, Damon and Matsui wouldn’t been dealt to the Giants for Eric Threets, Cano, Melky, and Hughes would be in Cleveland for CC, etc.”
You mean SJ44??
Oh yeah Jete! Big boys*your up
Yankees need a couple of runs here
Jeter answers with a double down the line.
It’s amazing that a game that’s based on a series of one-on-one matchups can have an ebb-and -flow.
BOBBY !
Well, Bobby, if you’re going to get a hit, might as well make it a good one!
Big hit by Abreu!!
Tack on runs rule!
“Edwar is throwing too many changeups and becoming predictable.”
Both home runs were off fastballs.
Edwar is a work in progress. He’s really improved this year and has helped the pen out a great deal.
Relief pitchers are hard to come by and Edwar has done a good job. His fastball command still isn’t great – he leaves is out over the plate too often and hitters tee off on it when he does.
Middle relievers just aren’t that great as a whole. Every team has trouble in that area and the yankees on the whole have had a good pen this year. Edwar has been part of that improvement.
It’s expectations. Edwar is not going to be Heath Bell. But he’s done a good job for a reliever. And he’s going to get better.
I hope part of that revamped pen is a shutdown lefty.
Way to get one of those runs back!
Oh yes!
The more I think about it, the more I’m liking the thought of CC being rented to the Cubs. We don’t have to mortgage the farm for him, he’s still a free agent in the off season, and the NL gets the draft picks if he walks.
Insurance run!
Thank you Bobby
“Thanks, Captain Obvious! Are they really in it to win it this year considering they have the majors best record???
Wow. The smart posts here blow the mind.”
Wow, you get more and more stupid with every post.
‘In it to win it’ meant ‘win it at all costs’.
The Yankees are ‘in it to win it’, but not in ‘win it at all costs’ mode. The Cubs are in the process of being sold, it’s the 100th year anniversary of their last win, and they have the core team to make a pretty damn good run at the title (they were my preseason favorite (of course, I also had the Mariners finishing a close 2nd in the West, lol) to win everything).
That’s the recipe to open up your minor league system and say ‘nothing is off limits’. The Yankees will -not- enter ‘nothing is off limits’ mode.
Yeah Bobby!! Get a run back right away
The worst thing about Edwar is that he looks like he’s going to cry after giving up a big hit. In fact, he has cried in the past. He’s mentally weak out there.
We have been waiting for the offense to carry this team since April 1. It is about time it happened.
nasty sidearmer coming in.
For you young people out there, when Nancy Newman said that the Astros’ “losing streak has reached 7 games… in a row” she was, in fact, being redundant.
And when Derek Jeter blows bubbles as he rounds third base, he is showing off.
Yanks need atleast 2 more runs if psycho is coming in to pitch the 8th. Or for whoever is pitching the 8th.
The Sterling “Belly to belly” thing is easily the most annoying thing along with Georgie girl’s Benihana hawking.
CaptainsCorner…oh, I don’t know, because he’d pitched twice in 7 days and was being groomed as the primary 8th inning guy?
Maybe Girardi and Cashman are actually smarter than the average baseball fan, or at least privy to more information that affects their decisions.
Nah, that can’t be right.
Nick – back in SF? Still funny, as always.
Ohhh I can’t wait for Round Two of the Subway Series.
“The Yankees are ‘in it to win it’, but not in ‘win it at all costs’ mode. The Cubs are in the process of being sold, it’s the 100th year anniversary of their last win, and they have the core team to make a pretty damn good run at the title (they were my preseason favorite (of course, I also had the Mariners finishing a close 2nd in the West, lol) to win everything).”
This juvenile moron is baseball stupid.
The Cubs HAVE THE BEST RECORD IN THE LEAGUE. Why wouldn’t they be in it to win it???
Do you need a road map considering they haven’t won in about a million years?
If they lose their ace do you really think they’d go for it, moron???
Wow. Why bother with some people?
It is a shame that Mr. and Mrs. Meredith couldn’t spell.
What happened to Cla Meredith this year, I thought he was supposed to be the second coming? I guess this is an example of the unreliability, year to year, of relief pitchers.
If Girardi wants to keep using Edwar for multiple innings, Edwar needs to learn another pitch. Something to throw off hitters that’s between his fastball and changeup.
“The Yankees are ‘in it to win it’, but not in ‘win it at all costs’ mode. The Cubs are in the process of being sold, it’s the 100th year anniversary of their last win, and they have the core team to make a pretty damn good run at the title (they were my preseason favorite (of course, I also had the Mariners finishing a close 2nd in the West, lol) to win everything).”
The Cubs benefit from the fact that they are the best team in a sea of several crappy teams. I’d take any AL team (save KC and SEA), put them in the NL and they would run away with it. The Cubs may get past the Phillies to make it to the big party, but I bet they lose to whoever is the AL team.
Cla Meredith has a 4.86 ERA. Wow. That surprises me.
Shows you how inconsistent even shutdown middle relievers can be.
Gerry:
Why would you waste your time going back and forth with V?
You must be new to subject yourself to that pain.
Yanks playing great ball
another hit w/ RISP continues the inning
Nice!
I’m liking the running game very very much tonight.
Happiest guy in the dugout? $100 says right now it’s Edwar Ramirez.
Woohoo! Got those runs back.
“The Cubs benefit from the fact that they are the best team in a sea of several crappy teams. I’d take any AL team (save KC and SEA), put them in the NL and they would run away with it. The Cubs may get past the Phillies to make it to the big party, but I bet they lose to whoever is the AL team.”
Sorta like how the Cards got destroyed by Detroit?
The problem is the Yankees try to get too much out of pitchers.
*They actually thought Rasner was gonna be great for two months even more.
*They thought three rookies with no major league expirence would all be great in the rotation and not implode.
*They expect Edwar,Ohlendorff,Veras,LaTroy can be set-Up men.
Cashman is a smart man but he see’s 1 to 2 good months out of pitchers then thinks they can keep it up.
Lucky the Offense is here to save this overrated pitching staff.(that includes Pettitte who only dominates bad hitting teams like the Padres)
MVP?
Has the lack of a “shutdown” lefty cost us even three games this year? I’d love it if somebody could find situations where the lack of a lefty led to a loss.
When people talk about lefties in the pen, I think of Joe Torre trusting Wayne Franklin…yes, Wayne Franklin, to get out Hank Blalock, after a gem by Mussina and Gordon warming in the 8th (Mariano was unavaliable).
The result? Blalock drilled a two-run homer, and the Yankees lost 2-1.
We are going to need this offense to sustain this if we are starting Rasner and Giese and well Mussina too. We are going to be in the pen early and often and we need the O to be great.
Ah, my personal troll is here. So, what name are you going to take on tomorrow, ‘Bob’? ‘Joe’? ‘James’? ‘Alex’?
Thanks, Stormrider6, yes, I am back home in SF. And thanks to the rain delay I get to see a few innings of baseball. And loving this newply potent offense. It’s just like they drew it up!
Laura just like how everyone though the Celtics would loose cause the were in the JV league Eastern Conference
I’m not watching the game, I’m gameday’ing it – but the pitching window has the release point all over the map. It’s like Cla Meredith throws with both his arms and his right leg…?
Nick, have you finished your globetrotting and are actually back in SF?
Cla Meredith has a 4.86 ERA. Wow. That surprises me.
Shows you how inconsistent even shutdown middle relievers can be.
Not realizing that one bad game can ruin a relievers ERA, of course. But what should we expect from comments here? Thought? How dare we all be that presumptuous!
Listening to you guys whine, you’d think the Yankees had lost 5 in a row and were losing 7-4.
This team is doing well. The offense is clicking. A pitching staff that gives up less than 5 runs a game is going to keep the winning going.
ARod is on fire now. Gotta love that. Now the stache has to hit one
yikes – *puts on her tinfoil to hide from stormrider’s superpowers*
Watching that dude warm up is gross
“Cla Meredith has a 4.86 ERA. Wow. That surprises me.
Shows you how inconsistent even shutdown middle relievers can be.
Not realizing that one bad game can ruin a relievers ERA, of course. But what should we expect from comments here? Thought? How dare we all be that presumptuous!”
Which one bad game would that be, idiot?
http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/player/gamelogs/2008/553558
the 2008 arod is the anti-2005 arod.
The offense is alive. How nice.
arrrggghhh is 3 runs enough for psycho?
Ab big donut for the stache tonight. Maybe he should have played 1b.
“A 5.50 ERA is horrid. It’s replacement level. Replacement level is horrible. A team of replacement level players is a 20-30 win team.”
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livan hernandez is single handedly going to make you throw your whole belief system out the window.
you can’t explain livan hernadez.
his team can’t win according to your beliefs.
but it does.
… and if you remember, i said his era was going to be closer to 6.00 than 5.00. i think he will give up even more runs than you do.
all kidding aside , innings matter.” replacement level ” is a BP term. BP really hasn’t figured out how to deal with intangibles. that’s why you’re having trouble understanding the value of livan to a team.
tonight so far rasner and ramirez together are having about an average livan hernandez start.
but he only takes up one roster spot . they take up two.
BP should do some work on the value of innings.
It’s officially time to move the ’stache back to first base. 0-4.
Farnsey warming up? Please no…
“Sorta like how the Cards got destroyed by Detroit?”
I’m talking about this year.
“Which one bad game would that be, idiot?”
A great example of the class shown here by the young kids. Your mommy should put you in bed because it is grown up time.
K squared is pitching the 8th uh-oh.
Yanks got the 2 runs back. Wonder who is coming in to pitch the 8th. Hope it’s not Farnsworth.
Angel, I’m not sure what 6 days in Charlotte, North Carolina has to do with “globetrotting”, but yes, I’m back home.
Unless you’re also counting the 9 hour delay at the Phoenix Airport, but I’m trying to block that out.
Ron -
Did you just use Wayne Franklin as an example of a shutdown lefty? Pass that stuff over my way!
Cash was interviewed earlier this week by M&MD and admitted that it was frustrating that they have not been able to get a reliable lefty. If he thinks it is worth apologizing for I’ll follow that lead.
“Laura just like how everyone though the Celtics would loose cause the were in the JV league Eastern Conference”
I don’t follow basketball at all so I have no comment on that.
What if Farnsworth grew a mustache? Would that work?
Yeah, the power of Livan Hernandez’s irresitable physique causes the Twins to give him tons of run support. That makes sense.
fingers crossed here
randy, I know I can’t make you change your mind…
BUT WINS ARE THE ABSOLUTE WORST STATISTIC TO USE IN EVALUATING PITCHERS.
I never SAID his team can’t win when he pitches. If you can score 8 runs, and he gives up 6, you win.
But you can’t pay a pitcher $5M and expect a 5-6 ERA out of him. That’s mindbogglingly bad. That’s, dare I say, IGAWA bad.
Teams don’t score 8 runs every game. To expect 7+ runs to win a game? That’s ridiculous.
I hate this man
Kyle Farnsworth, in, ball, out.
Laura,
Arguing with V is worthless. He picks someone out every single game thread to fight with. He’s the king of the copy and paste and pass off as his own. I usually think he does it with himself but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. It’s not a way to spend a game day thread. Learn from everyone else that ignores his crap.
oh jeezus – get him out now.
I’m going to pretend that I just didn’t see that.
And randy, you laughed when I said he’d have a 5.5+ ERA. If I cared enough, I’d find the post.
Unbelievable. He cannot get the first guy out!!
that homerun was brought to you by state farm too (according to gameday).
I didn’t use Wayne Franklin as an example of a shutdown lefty. I used him as an example of a lefty who was kept on the roster because he was a lefty. Like Buddy Groom. And C.J. Nitkowski.
Krazy Kyle Home Run Counter: 9
That’s insane.
This guy is so unreliable.
Farnsworth 3 run lead and what do you know???
Dinger.
We cannot go into battle with this set up crew especially with this weak SP.
good job Kyle
Ok everybody hands on the railings again ! The rollercoaster ride begins again HOLD ON TIGHT !
Why am I not surprised??!! I HATE THIS F’N LOSER!!! How much longer do we have to watch this idiot????!!!! Just seeing him warm up makes me sick…Time to get someone up in the bullpen even though Girardi wont do it…
You just gotta laugh, Farnsy proves us right EVERY SINGLE FRIGGIN TIME.
Oh God, how many insurance runs to they need to give them?
“Laura,
Arguing with V is worthless. He picks someone out every single game thread to fight with. He’s the king of the copy and paste and pass off as his own. I usually think he does it with himself but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. It’s not a way to spend a game day thread. Learn from everyone else that ignores his crap.”
Go away, imbecile. What is this, 4 login names tonight?
Learn a new schtik, loser.
Oh look – a lefty just hit a homerun for the 3rd time in the past 2 innings.
Nope, no need for a lefty here – move along people – all is well.
I mean, I know Kyle was due, but still…
Couldn’t help but laugh after that HR. I saw it coming.
Kyle, I want you to go home and write 1000 times using Parchment paper and a fountain pen:
Location is more important than Velocity.
No smudges either.
WHY cant Joe just give the 8th inning to Veras? He deserves it
I am going to the game tommorow, and i am buying one of those anyone but farnsworth shirts.. this man is a worthless hick..and i am going to kill him tommorow just give me some ideas guys… should i snipe him out from the bleachers or should i jump into the bullpen and punch him for every home run or run he has given up this season
Cashman realizes he is going to lose his job because he couldn’t find someone better than Farnsworthless right?
“I’m going to pretend that I just didn’t see that.”
I wish it was that easy.
“What if Farnsworth grew a mustache? Would that work?”
The mustache would go deep on him.
Can Fransworth pitch anymore straight?
What’s that, 9 HRs allowed by this clown?
Well, in Kyle’s defense… nope, nevermind. I’ve got nothing.
“Oh look – a lefty just hit a homerun for the 3rd time in the past 2 innings.
Nope, no need for a lefty here – move along people – all is well.”
I have a feeling Cashman knows he needs a lefty.
Do you know any shutdown lefties that are being given away for free?
I honestly think Farnsworth may blow this game.
Farnsworth should be pitching where he was comfy.
In the 6th-7th inning.
Less pressure. He did great there early this year. He is not a set up man or closer.
At least he’ll get a draft pick come Nov.
Shutdown lefties might be the rarest commodities in baseball. And, because they are middle relievers by nature, they are among the most combustible commodities in baseball.
Farnsworth is just sucking right now, regardless of the hand he throws with.
Get Veras in the game before he blows the lead!
Jose Veras, Mariano Rivera, where are you?
Does the Farns need strong glasses?
stronger*
Pete said : Maybe Sidney Ponson can pitch the eighth inning.
Can’t be any worse than Kyle Farsnworth!
“Well, in Kyle’s defense… nope, nevermind. I’ve got nothing.”
Me either. This is the one fault I have with Girardi. There is no excuse to use Farnsworth in close games.
Crazy how everyone else gets hurt except this idiot. Why can’t he be out for the season?? Hughes, Kennedy, Bruney and Wang. Not the 1 person we need to get hurt. Mo is probably thinking can you ever get someone out??!?!!
This worthless idiot is gotta go after this game.. no more of him.. trade him.. package him away for 5 dollars..idc i just do not want to see him
KEE-Riste Girardi, get your head out of your arse and bring in MO!!!
HOLD ON TIGHT ! FASTEN YOUR SEAT BELTS ! THIS IS ABOUT TO GET VERY BUMPY, AND FOR GODSAKES HOLD ON TO THE RAILING !!
“Do you know any shutdown lefties that are being given away for free?”
We do have a top 5 system right???
Just making sure.
You do realize you can trade prospects for real actual live players right?
My ulcer has an ulcer watching Krazy Kyle
“Pedro Mormon”
who’s that.. pedro martinez with lots of wives?
… maybe you mean pedro borbon.
double, walk or homerun??
“Do you know any shutdown lefties that are being given away for free?”
This is roughly 3 years running, it isn’t a new development.
Don’t blame Farnsworth (even though he is terrible).
Girardi’s bullpen management is bordering on the Joe Torre level.
He uses Veras (obviously the better 8th inning option) in a blowout game yesterday so he’s most likely not available today. And now brings in Farnsworth in a tight game.
He keeps bringing in Farnsworth over and over and over and over and over…………
It’s truly inexplicable as to why Girardi keeps “trusting” Kyle Farnsworth.
At what point will it not matter that Girardi once caught Farnsworth?
At what point will Farnsworth’s on the field performance matter?
He’s allowing 2.5 HR/9 innings. That is the highest in all of baseball. That is unfathomably awful.
Think about how hot Giambi has been. Coming into today Giambi has a .595 slugging percentage.
So far this year hitters have a .561 slugging percentage against farnsworth.
Think about that – when Farnsworth pitches he turns the average major league hitter into a player who is comparable to Giambi in terms of hitting for power.
When will Girardi finally learn. It’s just inexcusable at this point.
Cashman is going to need to do what he did with Proctor last year – he needs to trade Farnsworth just to stop Girardi from using him.
I blame Girardi. What is the deal with him and Farnsworth?
Veras has totally proved he IS the 8th inning guy until proven wrong. But he just can NOT stop his insane love for Farns.
I can’t wait until Mark Melancon is ready!
Why did we sign Ponson again? His first trip to NY was awful. What makes Cashman think he will change? If were not going to seek a good pitcher elsewhere then why arent we going with our young talent?
his number is going to represent his era for the season 4.8
Gee, I wonder if Kyle could give back this whole lead ?
Do you know of a shutdown lefty on the trading block at all? Fuentes maybe, but the Rockies aren’t trading him anytime soon. And he’s a FA after this year. He’s worth a quality prospect, but with the needs in the starting rotation, trading McCutchen or Kennedy, or Horne to fill a small hole when they could help at the big league level is just dumb.
I believe Veras will be given the 8th inning after this awful performance
I have just about had it with watching Farnsworth give up homers and runs. We have to get someone out there in front of Mo who can get outs.
FARNSWORTH!!! MY HERO! Fastballs! Keep using them!
Tim- Giese and Rasner are the last 2 in the rotation. Thats why you sign Ponson. Who do you want to see? Igawa?
Should we start a ‘please no Kyle Farnsworth’ petition?
Where is that the homeless guy with the cart on the Deegan northbound ramp? Can he pitch the 8th?
Veras is anything but automatic…BUT he has to start pitching the 8th inning. See how he does….You ABSOLUTELY can not pitch the psycho in the 8th anymore. YOU CAN”T DO IT!!!
ONE MORE BIG HILL LEFT, DO NOT LOOK DOWN !
At least it was a 3 run lead. Even Farnsworth should be able to hold a 3 run lead.
Tim- Giese and Rasner are the last 2 in the rotation. Thats why you sign Ponson. Who do you want to see? Igawa?
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Giese. Like you said. There is no reason to sign Ponson.
I don’t even care if he gets out of this. He needs to go or pitch earlier in the game in less pressure.
This is not reliable.
Mark Melancon anyone? I hate to do this every night but here
are his numbers at Trenton.
3-0, 1.14, 23.2 IP, 12 hits, 3BB and 21 K’s.
We signed Ponson because we have a gaping hole in the starting rotation, he was willing to take a minor league deal, and once upon a time, he was a good pitcher.
And hell, I thought Colon was toast, why not try our own fat former fireballer?
Somehow, we make it to MO!!!!!
GO YANKS!!!!
oh god we’re cheating death out here how many times.
Phew, good lord, it’s over.
The problem is, until he literally blows a game like this one, he will pitch in the 8th inning.
“Why did we sign Ponson again? His first trip to NY was awful. What makes Cashman think he will change? If were not going to seek a good pitcher elsewhere then why arent we going with our young talent?”
The Yankees are going to be paying him the prorated minimum.
This ain’t $3M they’re blowing. This is league minimum. He’s in AAA. Not on the 40 man roster.
If he sucks? You cut him. C’est la vie.
If he’s good? You ride him til he sucks. Then you cut him.
We also need a fill in starter in a little over a week for the double header.
We dodged a bullet.
Melancon is probably Mo’s successor. The Yankees will be patient with him. Certainly he’ll get 20 innings at Scranton before they think about bringing him up.
Small miracle, but hey, we’ve still (somehow) got the lead.
Maybe we can score some more runs here.
You are crazy if you trust Giese as a permanent starter. Ponson is insurance to Giese. He is simply the better choice over Igawa.
Prediction for Joe’s postgame comments:
Kim: Farnsworth-
Joe: No, I’m not worried about him, it was “just a mistake”.
Thank God, at least he did not blow it. So Joe wouldn’t start the: “It happens yadida yadida”.
good lord. we survived
I really just do not understand how you can have a “set up” guy who 99% of the time gives up runs. Does Girardi really expect him to get people out? I just do not get why they continue to throw him out there. How many times does someone need to prove that they cant get the job done? Isn’t 2 1/2 years a long enough time?
It’s sad people are asking for Veras.JUst two weeks ago people were asking for Edwar in the 8th,then before that it was LaTroy,Before that it was Ohlendorff.
These bullpen guys only have two weeks of decent stuff then they implode.It will happen with Veras.
The Ponson signing is harmless. If he gets us a win or two, great. If not, cut him loose. With Wang down you have to be creative.
I left his WHIP out its 0.63, all I can say is wow.
Sitting behind the ddugout just saw jeter give some kid a bat and his towelugout diugdu
If anyone wants my opinion on Ponson, I posted about him in my blog (cough plug cough cough). Like V said, if he sucks, cut him. If he’s good, ride him till you don’t need him, then cut him.
Agreed, PJH. I would take anyone over Igawa anytime.
BY THE WAY GIESE IS GOING TO GET LIGHT UP!!!
He went back to that first ball swinging. He just can’t stop himself.
Who else could he have used instead of Farnsworth? I understand the frustration with the amount of opportunities he’s give, but who else was available tonight to pitch the 8th?
The thing is that Farnsworth doesn’t give up runs “99 percent” of the time. He’s been on-and-off, and had his share of dominant outings. So Girardi sees that and wants to keep using him.
Pete eating major crow here, as Betemit picks up his second XBH of the night.
I still like Edwar. The youngster has done a good job and when he makes two mistakes you all get on ass. Look at the bright side Yanks are still up and Mariano is coming in…
You know, Pete, that thing you said about Wilson…
he literally hits hard LD when he lays off the crappy offspeed pitches.
” I would take anyone over Igawa anytime.”
I’d take Barry Zito over Igawa.
Pete’s reverse curse strikes again.
That HR of Kyles broke the blog for me. I had to shut down my browswer and reload the page. I could only imagine the furious posts.
I didnt know how else to describe your trip around the country, Nick – lol.
We’ve got to get Pete to talk trash about Melky. Maybe that will get him going.
hitting w/ RISP thank you and they are 2 out hits w/ RISP
People like to talk about intuition and intangibles all the time in baseball.
But that’s exactly the nonsense reasons why Girardi keeps using Farnsworth.
It’s as if Girardi lives in an alternate universe in which Farnsworth is decent.
Girardi “trusts” Farnsworth. Or that he’s a “veteran.” What does that nonsense mean? What does all of Farnsworth’s experience mean when it shows conclusively that his is awful and is particularly horrible in high leverage situations?
Girardi just refuses to live in the world of facts when it comes to Farnsworth. There is no new and improved Kyle Farnsworth.
And it seems like Girardi is just trying to prove some kind of point that in fact he can personally make Farnsworth his reclamation project.
Yanks get the run back again.
I still want to see Ohlendorf in short stints. He has great stuff.
But I’d start in low-leverage spots.
Oh My God, another hit with RISP. It’s contagious!!
Damon is SO good he’s scary these days!!!
So the new strategy is that the offense gets back whatever the bullpen gives away? No wonder they weren’t scoring when Joba was exiled in the pen.
Wow Johnny deserves to be an all-star.
“It’s sad people are asking for Veras.JUst two weeks ago people were asking for Edwar in the 8th,then before that it was LaTroy,Before that it was Ohlendorff.
These bullpen guys only have two weeks of decent stuff then they implode.It will happen with Veras.”
They should totally move Joba back to the 8th inning, trade for CC, and make him the 7th inning guy.
That’d be an amazing bullpen.
The Yankees’ bullpen has the 10th best ERA in the majors: http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_team_stats.jsp?statType=2&statType=1&timeFrame=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&c_id=mlb&statSet1=null&groupByTeam=true&groupByTeam=true&sitSplit=grp&checkBoxTotal=0§ion1=null&Submit=Submit&Submit=Submit&baseballScope=mlb&baseballScope=mlb&prevPage1=1&timeSubFrame=2008&timeSubFrame=2008&sortByStat=ERA
ALL bullpens suck. It’s the nature of relievers.
Girardi : Farnsworth :: Torre : Proctor
Well, sort of. Torre definitely used Proctor more often, and in even less appropriate spots. (He didn’t get to 100 innings that one year by accident.)
I think the Yankees refuse to win this game by less than three runs, or something.
In fairness to Girardi, this was the bullpen he’s been given. 3 run cushion should be enough for Farns to get his job done. But time & again he doesn’t. Farns has prooven he can’t pitch in tie, 1-run or close games so what else is Girardi supposed to do? Just use him for mop ups? That’ll be great but the bp outside of Mo is so shallow. It’s pick your poison.
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all kidding aside when you look at this list of pitchers doesn’t it make you wonder how livan hernandez is in the top twenty?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching?split=0&league=mlb&season=2008&seasonType=2&sort=thirdInnings&type=reg&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&state=0&college=0&country=0&hand=a&pos=all
he looks like he doesn’t belong, but there he is.
doesn’t that make you even the least bit curious?
this relates to the yankees because they take an opposite approach to this with so many young pitchers not being able to throw many innings.
“So the new strategy is that the offense gets back whatever the bullpen gives away? No wonder they weren’t scoring when Joba was exiled in the pen.”
Shhhh. You’ll summon D.I.D with talk of Joba being in exile in the bullepen. haha
angel, I noticed nobody answered your question. Who else was Joe supposed to use?
Anyone who is for moving Joba back is really just silly. If Joba is not a starter imagine the kind of leverage Shapiro would have for C.C. That doesnt make any sense if he goes 7 and 2/3 tomorrow gives up 3 hits and K’s 10 nobody will have
anything to say about him as a starter.
just wanna point out damon is hitting .444 in june with a 1.043 ops..and he’s not an all-star. messed up
“†I would take anyone over Igawa anytime.â€
I’d take Barry Zito over Igawa.”
???????????
Huh?
Barry Zito is in the 2nd year of a 7 year, $126 MILLION deal.
That’s top of the line ACE money.
“Girardi : Farnsworth :: Torre : Proctor”
Proctor is a much better pitcher than Farnsworth. And proctor isn’t very good. But he was at least a league average middle reliever.
Farnsworth is much worse than a league average reliever. Much worse. And he is still used again and again.
Using Farnsworth this often is worse than using Proctor all of the time.
Mo….
Edgar was too comfortable there, chin music Mo.
Pitch right down the middle to the 29 year old AAA player.
Clearly, it’s “Beat Up the Bullpen Night” at Yankees Stadium. If Rivera’s getting whacked, it’s hard to blame the rest of them.
Hahah Pete amazing comment about Freddy. You hear the pan just watching the games on YES. But that literally is all Freddy has to do with his life. Hes getting pretty old, and I watched him walk into the stadium the other and it took him FOREVER.
Most of his day involved coming up and writing something on the sign he attaches to the pan.
My question is does anyone think he ever washes the spoon?
randy – Innings pitched is not a mark of ‘quality’ of pitchers. Neither are wins.
ERA and WHIP are much, much better.
Livan singlehandedly loses games for his team. 6 innings, 6 runs is horrid. It’s beyond awful.
Livan Hernandez is NOT A GOOD PITCHER. He is NOT worth $5 million.
any count on how many outings farnsworth has had in the last month and half without giving up a home run?
Pete, What do banging pans have to do with Arkansas????
that was nasty
Watch out here Mo.
“That’s top of the line ACE money.”
We weren’t measuring the money, I thought we were talking about the level of suckiness. LOL!
I think Mo just allowed the double to make Edwar and Farnsy feel better about themselves.
Well i’m thinking there were other options out there, Bill. I just couldn’t think who they were – and was hoping someone would remind me. I understand the frustration with him and totally agree with the use of Farnsworth not being in high leverage situations.
You’d think a lead of 3 runs was a safe enough time to use Kyle in, for the very reason that he’s prone to giving up the longball like that.
SWEEEEEEET play!
“By the way, instead of a Hard Rock, the new Stadium needs to have a moat filled with giant snakes. That way they’ll have someplace to throw the guy who bangs on the pan. Is this New York or Arkansas.”
or kyle farnsworth….
LOL, Gonzalez brothers double play.
Nice DP! Game over yeah! *Fist Pump*
6 in a row! Going for the sweep and 7 in a row tomorrow! (Too bad the Padres have to leave)
Nice, but that gave me a sad thought about wishing that Game 7 in 2001 had ended that way.
6 GAMES ABOVE .500
““That’s top of the line ACE money.â€
We weren’t measuring the money, I thought we were talking about the level of suckiness. LOL!”
I’d still rather have Igawa in AAA than Zito in the majors
How Sabean still has a job is absolutely beyond me.
Why the constant hate on Freddy Sez? The guy is a nice harmless old man.
6 in a row. Gotta love it.
There we go.
BTW, June has been Farnsworth’s best month. He allowed four homers in each of the first two months. He hadn’t surrendered one in June until tonight.
Regardless, 9 homers in less than 33 innings is just absurd.
Mo is the King of Reliability.
Yankees win!
This team is on a roll.
Yay. Another win. That was easy, LOL~
Did you see that fist pump by Jeter at the end of the game?! Amazing – no respect for the game.
“That way they’ll have someplace to throw the guy who bangs on the pan. Is this New York or Arkansas.”
Pete, what you got against Freddy Sez?
He’s a legend.
Good game. It looks like we’ll pick up one on Oakland. Damn those Sox and Rays.
6 in a row with a fully stretched and ready to go Joba going tomorrow!!
“This team is on a roll.”
Don’t worry. The bandwagon isn’t full yet for all the early season quitters here.
Ollie Perez just coughed up the lead. 3-3 in the Mets-Angels game.
Memo to hitters from Joba:
I want 8 runs too.
Pete, love the blog…
But lay off Freddy Sez. Come on now.
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the yankees sure had to use a lot of pitchers to have an era of 5.00 for this game.
you really don’t see the value of someone who can do that all by himself.
teams don’t have unlimited numbers of pitchers.
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Zito wasn’t Sabean’s move, it was MacGowan. It was more of a PR move, albeit on of the worst moves in a long long time.
Ollie Perez strikes again
Freddy Sez:
“Give em all you got!”
“Barry Zito is in the 2nd year of a 7 year, $126 MILLION deal.
That’s top of the line ACE money.”
At least Zito can actually pitch and has a track record in the majors. Igawa couldn’t pitch in my 11 yr old’s Little League game.
So what’s the story with Joba tomorrow? What’s the ceiling on the pitch count?
Pete,
Freddy should get season tix for free. FYI, after 9/11 when the baseball season was paused, I was working at Bellevue when I saw Freddy walking outside the hospital with his pan. He had a sign encouraging the people of NY. He is a NY Yankee Icon and a terrific human being. He might be worth a feature story about, God knows he is much more interesting than some of these overpayed players.
Steve
Anyone looking to see the new and improved Mets should look elsewhere.
Freddy Sez is as good luck as anything the Yanks trot out.
Ollie Perez strikes again
Unbelieveable that guy may be the core reason they can’t stay consistant and in his contract year too.
Way to go Ollie Perez, 4-3 Halos!
DID:
105, which is about as many as I’m comfortable letting him throw.
I got a tip from someone in the Red Sox… figured I would share it because it’s fairly interesting.
Apparently, earlier this season the Red Sox were preparing or had prepared a package of Clay Buchholz and Justin Masterson to try and grab Hanley Ramirez from Florida.
It’s possible that if Hanley didn’t agree to the long term deal that this trade gets done. But of course, he did so this one is history.
Interesting though.
What does Pete got against Freddie? Why no love?
Freddy does get into the stadium for free.
You think he has 25 grand to throw out for season tix??
I’ll take any spoon banging as long as we keep winning.
They need to get 10 games above .500. Then they’ll have turned around the season and can start making their way back into the division race in a major way. That’s the kind of cushion they need to create to solidify this momentum.
Chicago has the best record in baseball – and they are getting whacked by Tampa Bay.
The NL is still the NL. Nonetheless, you have to beat the teams you are supposed to. And if nothing else hopefully this run will have gotten the bats going and will give them something to build on.
Facing Peavy isn’t easy. And they pulled out the game. Rasner wasn’t sharp but he gutted out the win. Nice performance on a night he didn’t have his best stuff. He only gave up 2 runs and the offense did its job.
This is how they were planning on winning many games this year. The offense was going to need to create a cushion for the errors the pitching staff was going to make.
We’re finally starting to see that. Cano is the key now. He hits like he can and the bottom of the order becomes unmanageable for the opposition pitcher.
stephen they do let Freddy in for free for all the games.
“Nice, but that gave me a sad thought about wishing that Game 7 in 2001 had ended that way.”
that was a very bad moment. i remember exactly where i was at the time the way you do when bad things happen like assasinations.
the yankees haven’t won since.
but this team despite wang being out is showing signs of life.
maybe this is the year.
stranger things have happened.
Ah, good win, good win.
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So…has Omar Watch started or something?
Why so many Met haters here? Who cares what they do???
A nice victory tonight.
Rasner toughed it out and gave us five quality innings. That’s better perfomance than what we paid over $20 million for half a season last year.
I’ll disagree with Pete again, wonder openly who peed in his Corn Flakes tonight, and say that Edwar looked very good out there. He really looks to have taken a solid step forward this year.
Kyle was Kyle. Mo was Mo. One of those is a very good thing.
I took a day off of work last week and did not come back as refreshed the next day as Robbie seems to have.
Suddenly, we’re six games over .500. I still don’t know if this team has what it takes to be a major player in the end, but winning sure is a lot more fun.
Bad baserunning by LAA.
Why would Florida trade Hanley back to Boston when he would take a cheap long term deal and why would they take back pitchers when they are loaded in pitchers in the system?
Seems far fetched to me. Like how the Yanks could have got that Santana guy for Ian Kennedy and Phil Hughes.
I’m pretty sure Freddie gets in for free. He doesn’t really sit in a seat, anyway.
I remember plenty of games in the 80s when the stadium would only have 15,000-20,000 in the stands. Freddie was there for every game rooting the Yankees on.
randy l, still hung up on Livan Hernandez?
True, it would be nice to have someone on the active roster who could also play in the Old Timers game, and it would be a good way to celebrate pre-Castro Cuba, but otherwise I just don’t get it.
He eats innings, but that’s not all he eats.
“I’ll disagree with Pete again, wonder openly who peed in his Corn Flakes tonight, and say that Edwar looked very good out there. He really looks to have taken a solid step forward this year.”
Oh yea, he looked terrific giving up two long balls in two innings and turning a 3 run lead into 1 with Farnsworth up next.
Are you serious?
Man, Pete, Freddie’s an icon.
Are you guys talking about someone who goes to all the games and bangs on a pan?
I feel for you, Pete. That would drive me nuts if I was trying to do my job.
Same with the Indians fan and his drum.
Florida wouldn’t have even picked up the phone for a Buchholz/Masterson for Hanley.
We can do much better than Livian.
We have the deep system that can get an ace and also a lefty set up guy for the pen and another bat who can play OF.
Has anyone seen a better team this year than us right now? We have a shot to do this and we need a few things that we can easily get. And to all the “do nothing it’s about the future” people out there we have such a deep talented system that it won’t hurt us.
“Why would Florida trade Hanley back to Boston when he would take a cheap long term deal”
Like I said, IF he didn’t agree to a long term deal with Florida, they probably would have explored a trade.
I am telling you what the Red Sox were planning to do/offer from an inside source. I didn’t say anything else. I figured some people would find that kind of information interesting.
Relax people.
I’m pretty sure the Bucholz/Masterson for Hanley thing was a joke.
Edwar pitched 1 2/3 stellar innings, failed to sneak a fastball by Giles (who laid off a few good changeups), fell behind 2-0 to Gonzalez and missed badly with a fastball.
He then struck out Tony Clark on 3 pitches.
Glad Freddy gets in for free. He started doing this when his wife died. He said to me that staying at home would drive him crazy. That pan was banged by many in my family, some of whom are no longer with us. If you see Freddy at the stadium, let him know you appreciate his dedication and passion for trying to rally the Yanks!
“I’m pretty sure the Bucholz/Masterson for Hanley thing was a joke.”
the only joke is that you’re pretty sure about anything. or maybe you just can’t read.
Yes Freddy is an icon no true Yanks fan can deny that. HOWEVER, the seventh inning he was out of control. I actually put the TV on mute and for the first time it wasn’t because of Michael Kay.
Lay of Freddy! I banged the pan game 6 of the ‘96 series.
So Alex leads the AL w/ a .337 AVG jesus to think what type of hitter he would be if he could read the offspeed pitch.
To clarify, Freddie doesn’t bang the pan. He hands the spoon to people so they can bang the pan.
It’s NY Pete; Freddy’s part of the architecture. Lighten up a little.
Kyle shocked and in awe.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080618&content_id=2957293&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy
I feel so stupid. I don’t even know who Livan Hernandez is. Sounds like a pitching legend, though.
“He eats innings, but that’s not all he eats.”
nick in sf-
with ponson now on the team , if the yankees traded for livan, they’d have to put them on opposite sides of the team plane or it would just fly in circles.
livan is interesting to me because he represents the opposite of cashman’s plan, yet the twins win when he pitches.
i could care less about hernandez. what i’m really interested in is getting a better yankee team pitching blueprint.
veteran pitchers whose teams win when they pitch is what is interesting to me. rookies that can’t give innings are what i’m not interested in unlike many of my fellow yankee fans on this blog.
mel-
Livan is El Duque’s half brother. He’s been around the block a few times & then some.
You can see why the Red Sox are going after Brian Giles
.303/.408/.439 before tonight
.308/.401/.471 vs RHP
.293/.420/.380 vs LHP
between May and June leading off an inning .411 OBP %
RISP .273/.432/.473
.386/.449/.545 (w/ a runner on 1B)
He’s a solid gamer, if Matsui is traded or something happens Brian Giles would be a perfect replacement.
Buddy,
Thanks. El Duque (high sox) used to pitch for the Yankees, but was last seen pitching for the Mets. MIA the last 2 years?
If Matsui goes on the DL do we bring up Gardner?
“I feel so stupid. I don’t even know who Livan Hernandez is. Sounds like a pitching legend, though.”
mel-
it’s a battle of old school ideas with new school ideas, and baseball prospectus hasn’t explained to it’s followers how livan continues to pitch and win in the mlb when according to them that’s not possible.
think of BP as kind of a cult of really smart people who have never played baseball.
Freddy does sit in a seat. Every game he comes in and sits in a seat in section 604, row B or C (we’re in 602). He always starts in the same section and works his way around the stadium. Actually, I was there for the Monday afternoon game last week when it was 100+ degrees and he didn’t show up. Guess the heat was just too much for him.
Has Sydney Ponson been cleared of the Natalie Holloway murder yet? I don’t trust him.
Tim,
Yes. But there’s also something about carrying 3 catchers. Still need a 4th outfielder as Shelley is no more.
Many are waiting with bated breath for the arrival of the fair haired speed demon.
“Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13) June 18th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Senators baffled by Trenton ace
Wednesday, June 18, 2008
BY ROXANNE B. MOSES
Of The Patriot-News
There was no slapping on the ice bag and pulling up to the training room buffet table for Alfredo Aceves.
His work was not done.
Even though Aceves pitched a one-hit sparkler Tuesday against the Senators that doomed the home team to a 7-0 defeat in Eastern League baseball to his Trenton Thunder.
As the 1,769 fans headed out and the grounds crew went to work on the field, the big 6-3, 220-pound right-hander got busy with his conditioning routine.
Under the guidance of strength coach Lee Tressel, Aceves took his reps with the giant exercise ball and a weighted pole, did some leg lifts off the bench, and some other work shouldering a weight bag.
“I threw this game, now you see me, how I work so I’m prepared for the next game,†the Mexican-born Aceves said, meticulously working through his English.
“If you work hard, you’ll feel great on the mound,†Aceves said. “That’s what I do.â€
The 25-year-old Aceves seemed more impressed with previous outings he’d had this season even though this was his only one-hit shutout.
“I’m satisfied,†he said. “Good work.â€
But Senators manager John Stearns, acknowledging his team’s hitting slump, said it was the best anyone had thrown against them this season.
“He changed speeds and located at will against us, we never got anything going against him,†Stearns said. “That was the best pitching that we’ve faced all year.â€
Aceves, who faced the minimum 24 batters through eight innings, forced 13 ground ball outs and seven flyouts, with just four strikeouts and two walks.
His defense turned three double plays to erase each of the baserunners.
The only hit was Garrett Guzman’s single to right in the fourth inning.
“If I was down in the count, 3-1, 3-0, I threw the cutter. Down 3-2, most of the time I threw the splitter,†Aceves said. “They are good hitters. I adjusted my stuff.â€
“He was throwing his fastball to both sides of the plate for a strike,†Stearns said. “He could throw his breaking ball anytime in the count he wanted.â€
Signed by the Yankees out of the Mexican League in January, Aceves evened his record at 2-2 and dropped his earned run average to 1.64.
With his conditioning work behind him Tuesday night, Aceves just planned to run today.
“I’m going to run 22 minutes and stretch. And a couple of sprints,†he said. “That’s all.â€
Jesus who is this guy ?”
I realize that this comment is about 8 hours late. I agree whole-heartedly even if he cant throw 96 mph this guy sounds like a gamer. He sounds like he wants it more than any other guy in the minors. Another great start and he deserves to be at SWB. Hopefully we see him or Horne by the ASB.
BTW Bronson Arroyo tonight vs Torre’s Dodgers
6.1 IP 7 H, 6 R, 6 ER 1 BB, 6 K’s 1 HR
PT/S: 101-65, GO/AO: 8-5
4 XBH allowed, ( 3 doubles, 1 HR)
Check it out. Angels have a 12 year old reliever.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2008_06_18_nynmlb_anamlb_1
As much as I love Matsui, I really wanna see Gardner get a shot. Just like I want Duncan (Eric) get 1 shot up in the bigs. Even if he comes off the bench once in a while. It just seems like staying down there does absolutley nothing for him
Al don’t post the whole article blockquote some of it
And supposively Alfredo can touch 95 mph
Maybe the new Yankee Stadium will have a sound proof booth built just for Pete so he doesn’t have to listen to the fans of the Stadium. Freddy, Role Call man, Cow Bell man, etc.
Freddy obviously saw the new Stadium coming years ago and planned ahead. While everyone is fighting to get tickets, he’ll be there at every game for free.
Okay, so we’ve scratched off Wolfe, Livan, and Arroyo.
That leaves us with Ponson. Hey why don’t we grab him? He was doing pretty good.
Of course the Baseball Prospectus can’t explain Livan Hernandez. The Dead Sea Scrolls couldn’t explain Livan Hernandez.
“And supposively Alfredo can touch 95 mph”
The Trenton radio announcers yesterday said Aceves topped out at around 91 and was sitting in the high 80’s while he’s been in Trenton.
Never heard he’s ever been close to 95.
I have no doubt that Edwar can contribute, but I think he can’t fool hitters for more than one inning. He’s bound to give up bombs the longer you leave him out there…
With that said, GREAT WIN! Offense picking up where the bullpen left off. 6 straight, and 6 above 500. Go for the sweep tomorrow with JOBA.
Sabathia is the smartest choice. Shapiro will NOT be stupid to ask for a ridiculous amont. A half year rental + 125M+ after the season will not get them much, but still more than 2 draft choices. Ponson wont last and Cashman will be forced to make a REAL move
mel that’s Jose Arredando another one of those July 2nd Latin signees he signed in 2007 or 06 as a SS and was converted to a relief pitcher tops out at 96 mph and has a good splitter.
Never heard he’s ever been close to 95.
Patrick Teale said it unless he lied on ESPN radio, I haven’t seen Alfredo hit 95 either.
When they had the groundbreaking for the new stadium, do you know who was sitting the folding chairs watching from front rows?
That’s right, Freddie. He often starts the game up in my section.
mel-
Done & done, Ponson’s a Yank.
Im so stoked to be able to see Joba tomorrow. I gotta catch the train at 930. Im trying to figure out who will pitch July 5th which is the next game I go to which happens to be the Saux
Buddy,
LOL. Gotcha.
We’re were catching his lighting in liquor bottles all day long.
“tonight so far rasner and ramirez together are having about an average livan hernandez start.
but he only takes up one roster spot . they take up two.”
He’s also making 5 times as much as they are.
We should all be rooting for the Mets right now. We could have a shot for home field. Who knows?
baseball prospectus can explain it actually, Livan is getting lucky as his BABIP is much lower than it should be normally, suggesting that balls that normally would be hits are either having: A. good defensive plays made on them or B. heading straight to defenders
its not rocket science, Livan hernandez is terrible
“Of course the Baseball Prospectus can’t explain Livan Hernandez. The Dead Sea Scrolls couldn’t explain Livan Hernandez.”
praying a lot probably does help when he pitches.
farnsworth and livan make about the same amount.
the twins have plenty of starters with liriano coming back soon. twins need relievers with neshek out for the season
do the yankees make that trade?
Remember how the AL Central was supposed to be the best division in baseball? They’ve got one team over .500. The AL East has 1 team under .500.
The Tigers are streaking right now (in interleague). Do they catch the White Sox? Are the White Sox for real? Or does the WC come out of the East?
Nick in SF tries out his comedy act here.
I liked the Ponson-Holloway line.
If you combined numbers at the end of the year, I bet you that Rasner and Ramirez are significantly better than hernandez(they already are), and not to mention will have an impact on more games combined than hernandez.
The stupid crusades that internet people have for crappy players is astounding.
that batting average on balls in play is the dumbest stat ever.
well… a lot of stats we have no are pretty stupid (i can add the on base % and slugging % on my own lol)
BABIP is my least favorite though – if you take out anyone’s strike outs obviously they look good – what is Ryan Howards BABIP?? about .950??
Why are we talking about going after scrubs like Liv Hernandez?
We should be targeting aces like Sabathia and Oswalt and Sheets and Harden.
Difference makers especially with Wanger out for the yr.
JoeT you do not understand BABIP. Most players have a BABIP of between .200 and .400, the league average should be .300.
You can get a players expected BABIP by taking their line drive % and adding .120 to it, that is because Line Drives are statistically more likely to end up as a hit than a ground ball or fly ball.
It is just a measure of how lucky a player/pitcher is when they put the ball in play.
Tim-
July 4th is scheduled to be Joba vs Beckett & Moose pitches on the 5th, not sure who the opposing pitcher is b/c Beckett is getting pushed back 1 start this week.
So what should we expect from Joba tomorrow? How many innings? K’s? Runs allowed?
What do you think?
Vs the Padres I’d like to see a break out game. 7 IP 5 H 0 R 2 BB 8 K
I guess – I’m just not a big stats guy, I like to watch the games and take notice of what I see… A-Rod and Wilson Betemit both had three hits tonight… I think it’s fair to say that A-Rod had a monster game and Wilson got lucky three times
“The stupid crusades that internet people have for crappy players is astounding.”
so said the BP cult member.
do you guys have secret handshakes and cool rituals like skull and bones?
Betemit had two solid hits? But if you are looking at players and saying, “Wow, he got real lucky that ball got through for a hit.”
Then you are noticing BABIP. Why would you take offense to a stat that you are naturally inclined to look for?
I counted it out and IF someone other than one of the starting 5 pitches in the DH it would be Joba on the 5th. Maybe I counted wrong?
June 19th- Joba
June 20th- Mussina
June 21st- Giese (assuming its Giese)
June 22nd- Pettitte
June 23rd- off
June 24th- Rasner
June 25th- Joba
June 26th- Mussina
June 27th game 1- Giese
June 27th game 2- Ponson
June 28th- Pettitte
June 29th- Rasner
June 30th- Joba
July 1st- Mussina
July 2nd- Giese
July 3rd- Pettitte
July 4th- Rasner
July 5th- Joba
I agree with Pete on Freddy Sez.
He’s a great story, and sounds like a great guy, but none of that matters when he’s having people bang that damn pan while I’m trying to enjoy a game. It’s a really loud, annoying sound. Why is that enjoyable?
Randy, you’re crusading for a guy with a career 1.4 WHIP, who for his career is below average.
The Yankees do not need a pitcher who puts them in a hole every night.
Look at his last 3 games, not counting his showing against the Nationals
7 Er, 7 ER, 5 ER(Yankees!)
There are plenty of non-stat reasons to not want him on the team: He puts a lot of runners on, he doesn’t have a very wide assortment of pitches(they are mostly soft tossing in the 75-85 range), he needs a good defense to bail him out(we don’t have one), patient teams will crush him(we play a lot of them).
There is no BP cultism going on with not wanting the Yankees to trade for a guy who for his career, has very rarely been a good pitcher.
“Why are we talking about going after scrubs like Liv Hernandez?”
wang was leading the yankees in innings.
who is going to cover his innings?
ponson isn’t.
rasner isn’t.
joba isn’t.
there is a roster limit. you can’t add two relievers plus a starter to do what wang did( or livan hernandez does) which is provide innings.
Tim-
I used CBS Sportsline to get the pitching matchups, it could be wrong.
With a day off, Pettitte will pitch one of the double header games on June 27. So you can switch Pettitte and Giese (or whoever’s) spot for the next two weeks, also this allows Pettitte to pitch the last game on the July 4 weekend. This is of course if there are no rainouts and no one gets hurt.
As for Aceves, I saw him pitch last night, and he does not hit 95. He’s more like a Wang type of pitcher. Lots of grounder, not too many strikeouts. Tough to hit hard.
He did look real good but I’m not sure he’s quite ready. They should promote him to Scranton and see how he does there.
The other potential problem with Aceves is that he’s 25. This isn’t old, but it’s no longer young. He may have already just about reached his ceiling.
Still, it’s nice to have another potential starter down on the farm. At worst, it gives Cash more trade bait.
Randy:
Ponson has been more effective than hernandez this year while averaging more innings.
What now?
jerkface-
the twins are 11-5 when he pitches.
what are the yankees when hughes and kennedy pitches?
now rasner did replace one of them, but he has no history of providing innings.
livan has won 141 games and pitched almost 2500 innings with about a 4.3 era.
the dude can pitch.
the point is he keeps on going and yankee rookies in general can’t .
but why argue when the yankees are on a winning streak?
… but are you sure you can’t share that secret BP handshake?
i promise i won’t tell anyone.
what does the “Cult of Baseball Prospectus” have to do with Livan Hernandez not being a very good pitcher?
Before his last start, he hadn’t had a quality start in 5 starts. He started off very well and has quickly descended into being the same Livan Hernandez he has been for the last few years.
i say get livan
“Ponson has been more effective than hernandez this year while averaging more innings.”
you know you’re right.
ponson is about 6.10 innings per start and livan is a little above 6.00 per start.
well it just goes to show that these kind of veterans at least pitch into the 7th inning.
to be continued…
( unless livan gets hammered in his next start )
( then it will be to be continued another time)
Randy:
The teams W-L record in games started by a pitcher are completely meaningless. You have no idea how they won. Or lost.
The twins won a game in which Livan gave up 8 flippin runs. Did he ‘keep them in the game’? HELL NO, THEY bailed him out, and the team out.
Darrel Rasner has a couple losses in which he gave up 1 ER and 2 ER, well I guess Livan would have been better because he’d have given up 10 ER, but the yankees would have been energized seeing all the opposing players wear themselves out running the bases that they’d come back and score 11!
“the guy who bangs on the pan”
Do you not know FreddySez? Show some respect. By the way, Freddy is going deaf from his pan activities.
Shocking that the guy who has people bang on a pan so loudly that people can hear it from 10 sections away (and even on TV) has hearing loss.
I’m supposed to show respect for this? He’s done it to himself. That’s his choice. But don’t act like he’s a war hero or something.
He sounds like a nice guy. But I don’t get the hero worship.
I’m amazed at how many of you “fans” thought that Freddie bangs this pan with reckless abandon throughout the game. He passes it around for luck. Shame on all of you that can’t put up with a little noise during the game from a guy who is passionate about the team he loves to watch.
He’s a staple at the stadium. Pete just hates him because it distracts him from thinking of his next Girardi bashing post. Either that or he’s a little jealous that Freddie gets in for free but doesn’t have to submit a piece.
If Freddie is such a bad thing, then why do folks, especially kids, clamor to hit the pan? Pretty sad if there’s no room for some very simple enjoyment at the ballpark. Maybe the suits that take over my season tickets when I’m priced out of the new Stadium will agree with Pete and toss Freddie.
For the record, I advocated for signing Livan Hernandez AND starting the kids before the season started and was practically laughed off this forum.
Wow, bold move Pete – ripping Freddy. The guy is about 100 years old and is at every game walking the upper deck. He sits outside the Stadium before the game. He would be a good guy for you to talk to as he has seen a lot of baseball in this park.
I just have to chime in here, been reading and loving Pete’s blog for months now and while I don’t always agree with him, I always respect his opinion. But bashing on Freddy makes no sense. Lots of people come to the games not only to watch baseball, but also to experience Yankee Stadium, which includes Monument Park and the facade, but also includes silly things like the great city subway race and Freddy. Pete’s right – it’s New York, not Arkansas – which means we need more than just another baseball team, we want the things that only NY has. Freddy is a NY landmark (possibly literally). When I took my son to his first game this year and he got to bang the pan with a spoon, he loved it and so did my wife. Personally, I could care less as long as the Yanks won. There’s room for all kinds of fans. Lighten up Pete. I mean, “… the new Stadium needs to have a moat filled with giant snakes. That way they’ll have someplace to throw the guy who bangs on the pan.” Wow.