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Not much point in breaking this game down.
“The whole game bothered me,†Joe Girardi said. “We stunk is the bottom line. We stunk.â€
For him, those are harsh words. Girardi expressed faith in Darrell Rasner (1-5, 6.00 in his last six starts) but is clearly upset with how the team performs in the clutch. The Yankees are now at .250 for the season with RISP. Only Toronto and Seattle are worse in the AL.
Going back five games, they are 8 of 45.
Injury update: Hideki Matsui now has a stiff neck to go along with his sore left knee. He is not playing the outfield any time soon. Johnny Damon wasn’t really available to hit but got treatment and said his left foot was a little better. We could see him tomorrow or Thursday.
Thanks for all the comments. Back at it tomorrow.
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Girardi is right…this game did stink in nearly every aspect of it. i just get the sense that he is too timid as a yankees manager. he could be stronger in florida with all of the young ones, but he is way too laid back with the vets; stars; and guys he played with here. i’ve not been overly impressed with him thusfar. yanks cannot leave here without getting the next 2.
Rasner is such garbage. 1-5 with a 6.00 ERA. Cashman needs to send his ass down now.
I cant wait to see Chamberlain hit tomorrow. I missed the Houston game
I dont understand how Matsui feels better yet obtained a new injury?
stuart June 24th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
bring gardner up, brain surgeon I got few questions for you.
gardner hit in the middle of the lineup? He good with RISP? Does he pitch? How is he out of the pen? Does he throw like a girl like our present LF or is he scared of the wall like our present RF.. Can he hit the ball out of the infield like our SS???If he can do all that he can really really help us if not, you are rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic…
whoopdy doo, say he is better then Melky 15% better, so what they hit 9th…IF he hit 3rd, or could pitch then that would be a big deal. I think Melky has more RBI’s then our great double play combo.
that is newsworthy the Yanks stunk, maybe the posters who blast them are not total morons… Again the Mets have a terrible minore leagues there rroster is ancient but they are talking about making changes when they do not have many good options but the Yanks have many options worth giving a try(this means not a sure thing but is a smart thing to do) but do nothing..
I know I am impatient but Latroy has a 6 + ERA, Ohlendorf need a refresher course on what he does well, and on and on but they do nothing..
As stated earleir than god Christian is 28 else they might not have given him a chance on the field.. will robertson, cox, melancon, gardner, and others all excell??????No they won’t but the guys they may replace definitely are not….
4th in OBP, but 7th in runs scored and the 3rd worse BA with RISP, tht is sad.
The Orioles a team bereft of talent is 1 game behind the yanks.. they have like 8 good players; markakis, roberts, jog=hnson, the closer, a few pitchers and they are 1 game behind the yanks…..That is sad…....
What Pete forgot to mention is that that ERA is the result of 2 of the last 3 games and he should be 6-3 except for the lack of run support.
So now you repeat your posts Stu?
Last time I checked Gardners speed makes Gardner a better player than Melky. All Melky is better than Gardner in is his arm
Funny how you can manipulate numbers, huh?
“What Pete forgot to mention is that that ERA is the result of 2 of the last 3 games and he should be 6-3 except for the lack of run support.”
Someone has a man crush on Rasner.
Run support when you give up 7 runs? He got the win last game when he pitched like crap against the Padres. He SHOULD be 0-7 actually in the last 7 games.
Rasner is a AAAA pitcher. Below 1 ERA in the minors and now a 4 somehting ERA in the majors. AAA is only supposed to be a stepping stone to the majors.
Oh you mean he should have gotten losses for allowing no more than 2 runs in 6 of 9 starts?
Corky, I still want to know what your actual argument is re: Pavano. Do you have one other than you think we’ll be bandwagon fans if he comes back and does well? Whatever that means?
“What Pete forgot to mention is that that ERA is the result of 2 of the last 3 games and he should be 6-3 except for the lack of run support.”
GB:
He’s got 5 starts in June with a 7.00 ERA and 1.74 WHIP. He has had one quality start in the month. Only his 8 innings against KC was a solid start in that timeframe. Even that start against SD was subpar (5 walks, 8 baserunners in 5 innings). He’s been below average to bad more than he’s been good the past month.
Forget it. You’re too much of a baseball Einstein for me, Corky.
Am I the only one who is livid every time I watch a yankee game when they face a crappy left handed pitcher?
Its the starts after your first 3 that show the pitcher you are going to be that season because people know what you are going to pitch. Yeah he only gave up 2 runs against the Pads, but also walked 5 people.
bring gardner up have you ever even seen him play or you just the fool you read like???
again if gardner can hit in the middle of the lineup then it is a big deal, or if he can pitch else you are talking about minor stuff….
just to remind you Melky hits 9th, you are talking about replacing the 9th place hitter who has more rbis’ then pur SS, and 2b, and the same amount of HR’s as our great japanese import, but nah if they can just replace Melky all will be better…...
Rasner hasn’t been the same since the 110 pitch game.
And kudos to Girardi for the honesty. Though my language would have involved words on Carlin’s $hi7 list.
And once again.. he’s a 5th starter.. what are you complaining about?
Corky, when you go 1-5 with a 6 ERA, you cant blame the offense. You suck if those are your numbers. Plain and simple, Rasner sucks
Rasner’s job, like any other pitche is to hold the damage to a minimum, whether you have your stuff or not. How many times has a stud pitcher given up 4 runs in 5.1 innings and still won the game? If Pettitte and Wang had pitched like that in May, NYY would be leading the AL East, right now.
“Oh you mean he should have gotten losses for allowing no more than 2 runs in 6 of 9 starts?”
Speaking more of his last 5 when he’s allowed 21 earned runs in 27 innings. When you post a 7 ERA and less than 6 innings a start, you don’t get to bitch about run support.
Corky, I didnt even bring up Gardner. I never said today he should be put in the lineup tomorrow. I only said Melky sucks, and its true. Im talking about Rasner, not Gardner, so drop it Corky
If Rasner was 1-5 with a 3 or 4 ERA then fine, blame it on the offense. But a 6 ERA in 6 games is terrible
“I didnt even bring up Gardner”
Your “Bring Gardner Up” handle might be fooing people, then.
Rasner might be toast. Nice while it lasted. We’ll see.
But what is is that you’re arguing re: Pavano? What is your point?
The Cash Man needs to make a move. The yankees have an abundance of good prospects… I’m not saying trade everyone away, but the yankees do have the assets to get a solid starting pitcher. Guise and Rasner aren’t going to cut it.
June 25th, 2008 at 12:30 am
“I didnt even bring up Gardnerâ€
Your “Bring Gardner Up†handle might be fooing people, then.
Rasner might be toast. Nice while it lasted. We’ll see.
But what is is that you’re arguing re: Pavano? What is your point? – - – -
Its the name I use, sorry. I want him up, but should he be up now? No.
And I brought up Pavano because Cashman said he will be up in August and is in the best shape since coming to NY. I defend him because he has great potential, just hasnt utilized it in NY
Stuart:
Melky is a below average offensive player and not much above average defensively. Yanks should be able to live with him in their lineup, but only if the guys who are supposed to hit are hitting. Unfortunately they haven’t been.
Don’t know that Gardner is the answer (many scouts see him as a 4th OF in MLB), but he appears to have some OBP skills that Melky lacks and some speed. Gardner strikes out too much, but Melky has been one of the worst everyday hitters in baseball the past two months. Some new blood may help a little.
The Yankees blew this game end of story….......tommorow is another day,...s;ldmaps You blew this game like they blew the game against thompson.
Wang:
Actually Giese did pretty well. But he isnt the solution. I like him as a long man in the BP over Hawkins though
Gardner has been compared to Ellsbury when last year he was no more than a 5th outfielder. Now he is mentioned in our outfield with Tabata and Jackson in 3-4 years. He will be our leadoff man and be the fastest Yankee since I cant even remember, Rickey Henderson?
two of those 5 losses, he gave up 2 runs in 6 innings and 1 run in 8 innings. Are those deserved losses?
Girardi hasnt done much good for us this year. Having Farnsworth as the 8th inning man has been terrible. If he came in with a 2 run lead, 2 out of 3 times, that lead is gone. But Girardi wont change that until Farsnworth blows like 5 games. He said if you dont produce, your gone. I have yet to see anything like that. Cano struggles, and he sits 1 game.
Pavano pizsed away his potential 4 years ago.
I’m still not sure what your point is about Pavano. But that’s ok. I wish him well.
Fredo you have some valid points but wht about thee points; melky has actully been more effective offensively then our SS and 2B?? He also has more HR’s then our DH(matsui)....
The guy hit’s 9th and has decent RBI’s while hitting 215 from the right side. Melky is good from the Left side with power. ANd we are discussin this in stead of our pen, where we have 3 or 4 in house options that should get at least a look or a starting staff that without Hughes and Wang is a HUGE problem.. Agin also the team is hitting 250 or less with RISP and your solution for that is?????
that is my concern not our 9th hitter, who may need to be platooned but Gardner(who I absolutely have never seen play) is not the 2nd coming of Griffey or Bernie….
Rasner is 1-5 with a 6 ERA. Not exceptable no matter how you want to turn it. You want a 1-5 pitcher with a 6 era on the mound? Because I dont. Man Crush aside, what good has he done for this team?
rasner is awful…always has been AAAA atg the very best
We’ll see what Pavano’s potential is when he comes and pitches in the 2nd half for the first time in NY.
again bring up gardner have you ever seen him play???/Answer it truthfully…
Have you seen him play and if yes how many games????
Might have been compared to Ellsbury, but not favorably. Maybe when he stops striking out every 4th at bat, he will.
Further, very little reason to think IL numbers translate to the bigs. Especially for a guy who swings and misses so frequently.
I’ve seen Gardner in person 1 game. Watched plenty of games on Milb.com though. Plays alot better than Melky, with a nice spark too. He gets a single, and he can be on 2nd with ease. Melky, unless playing the Padres, cant steal bases. Gardner with a simple hit can be in scoring position for Damon.
Yes Gardner has been striking out alot lately, but so has Melky. And for Gardner who last year was our 4th or 5th best OF prospect, is now number 3, and compared to the RS best OF prospect? I consider that damn good
Melky isn’t the problem, but he is part of the problem. Look at this team up the middle. Most of the year, Molina has been behind the plate, Jeter is having a very soft year with the bat, Cano can’t hit a lick, and neither can Melky.
Thankfully, Jorge is back, but the other three are going to have to find some consistency for this offense to fire with any regularity. Jeter kills innings at the top of the lineup, Cano kills em in the middle, and Melky at the bottom.
Cash will make some moves. It seemed like he waited an eternity last year to pull the trigger – I think he gives his opening day roster the benefit of the doubt and tries to get the AAA kids enough time in the minors to show consistency.
The time has come Brian.
Now it’s more exaggeration with Farnsworth? He has 2 losses and no blown saves. Doesn’t exactly compute to 2 out of 3 in my school.
seen him in person once and watched him on MLB.com..that is all I need to know.. are you 18???
newsflash you know as much about him as me and that being nothing…seriously can you calm down with the gardner schtick and work on our bullpen and starting staff????
can you do some advance work for Cashman since you are so qualified???
thanks for gracing us with all your knowledge…
Cano has been hitting pretty well the last few series, and has slumped and come back last year. He wont hit .320, but if he can hit .285-.290 I find that very sucessful. We all know the rest of the lineup will come together, Melky is the only question mark though
Wow, you bring up the Gardner talk, and now blaming me for it? Dude get a life. Im probably older than you, and I have watched full games, not just clips, about 15 games.
Stuart:
Melky had 5 homers in April, so I’m not dazzled by his alledged power. He’s posted a sub .600 OPS in both May and June and has not been effective from either side for awhile. Even as a lefthanded hitter, his OBP is .316 and his OPS is a marginal .704. He’s been truly awful.
As you suggest, other guys have been awful too. However, Cabrera is the only one of the bunch for whom a potentially adequate replacement exist.
Who is Corky? Is he on first?
TonyB from your keyboard to Cashmans activity.. make some changes now nothing catostrophic but mix things up and give some of the kids a chance. why is that sentiment so crazY???
rlly are they going to miss latroy, and others…..????
“Now it’s more exaggeration with Farnsworth? He has 2 losses and no blown saves. Doesn’t exactly compute to 2 out of 3 in my school.”
Where else have I exaggerated? And if he comes in with a 1-2 run lead, dont even lie like you are calm
Watching lots of games on MILB? You can tell so much on Gamecast. Why bring him up so either Damon, Matsui, Abreu or Gardner sit every other day? He’s on pace to strike out more than a 130 times in 140 games. That’s too much for anybody, but, especially a singles hitter. Let him learn the strike zone.
I would even take Justin Christian over Melky. I dont care, but Melky isnt suited for this team and I dont think he ever will be. I believe he could be a nice addition to a team like Cleveland or Twins or White Sox, where the pressure isnt on him
“Watching lots of games on MILB? You can tell so much on Gamecast. Why bring him up so either Damon, Matsui, Abreu or Gardner sit every other day? He’s on pace to strike out more than a 130 times in 140 games. That’s too much for anybody, but, especially a singles hitter. Let him learn the strike zone.”
Umm. Milb.tv
yeah dude I am sure you are older then me… Thurman Munson is my favorite player of all time and I saw him play in person many times but I am sure you are my age.. I was of driving age when Reggie hit 3 but I am sure you are my age. and yes watching games on your computer does not make you a expert talent evaluator but obsess to your hearts desire on a 25 yr old limited power OF who I hope is good but cannot play SS, or pitch or play 2b or give abreu a heart, or make alex clutch, or make posada faster, or do many other things more important for the yanks today.
but hey your buddy tough guy Pavano is making progress in his rehab… How any yankee fan could ever count on him or even hope he turns things around is beyond me.. the guy lied about his accident, is a terrible teammate, has no heart but hey he dates hot chicks so that is cool DUDE….
“We’ll see what Pavano’s potential is when he comes and pitches in the 2nd half for the first time in NY.”
The DL?
Buddy, Who is on first, and Bring Up Gardner is Corky. The only thing missing is his plastic hockey helmet while he sits at the keyboard.
If Cabrera’s no good, why would another team want him?
Stewie. 1, I was also of driving and drinking age (21) when Reggie hit those 3 HRs.
2. Can you please stop with the whole BS with Gardner? Im sorry he cant play the positions of players that WILL turn it around.
GreenBerret is Corky
If Cabrera’s no good, why would another team want him?
Who does??? I’m not sure there’s another American League team that he could start in center for right now.
“If Cabrera’s no good, why would another team want him?”
Come on Corky, you should know this. Some players just cant hack it in NY. Like your boy Pavano and Rasner
Melky wont be depended on for big hits in Oakland, Texas, Cleveland, Kansas City, Baltimore, Toronto, Tampa, Chicago, or just about any team in the NL
gardner is not very good, yall need to check yourselves b fo you wreck yo selves
Melky’s not depended on for big hits in NYC either. Gardner won’t either.
I find it funny that people will defend bums who have proven they cant come up big in big situations like Rasner and Melky, but talk garbage about Jeter Arod Abreu who have all proven to come out of slumps which Arod isnt even in one. Oh no he missed out on a 10 game hitting streak. And didnt Jeter have a 9 game hitting streak last week?
Your all the same people that said trade Giambi and Damon in April. If they were traded we would still be in the celler. If something doesnt work, and has proven not to work, then why keep it. Its like saying, I have a game system, that works sometimes, but in the middle of the game, it always freezes and I lose the game. Well do you keep the game system, or do you trade it in? I think only Corky would keep it, wouldnt you Cork?
Expectations. Nobody expected a great deal of Melky. It was a given coming in that he was a less than average offensive player. If he effectively fielded his position and hit a little, he’s done his job, so long as everyone else is doing their’s. Similarly, Rasner is a fringe MLB starter. Those aren’t the guys expected to carry you places. If they are, then the team they are playing for stinks.
Jeter and Arod are expected to produce and come up big in key spots and thus are more disaapointing when they fail.
Have you ever had an original thought, BGU? Doesn’t appear to be so.
Have you ever had an original thought, BGU? Doesn’t appear to be so.
Whose Idea have I taken?
Melky: AVG: .254-OBP: .312-BB/K: 22/37-SLG: .371- SB: 5
Gardner: AVG: .295-OBP: .411-BB/K: 53/62-SLG: .444- SB: 29
Stats dont lie
IMO Cabrera and a Marquez can get you a 4th type of starter. I would think Seattle would trade Washburn and the 2 years on his contract for them. Is Washburn good enough?? I think it would be fair to both teams and Washburn would win 70% of his starts in NY.
They lie when the disparity in the leagues is as large as it is. Gardner doesn’t get a sniff of .295 in the bigs the way he whiffs. Doesn’t slug .400 either.
” If something doesnt work, and has proven not to work, then why keep it. Its like saying, I have a game system, that works sometimes, but in the middle of the game, it always freezes and I lose the game. Well do you keep the game system, or do you trade it in? ”
and you defend Carl Pavano.
BGU, you’re claiming that you were 16 or above in 1977?
IMO Cabrera and a Marquez can get you a 4th type of starter. I would think Seattle would trade Washburn and the 2 years on his contract for them. Is Washburn good enough?? I think it would be fair to both teams and Washburn would win 70% of his starts in NY. and is LHP who has succeeded under pressure before!!
Besides his strike out to walk ratio, which is about equal due to Gardner getting so many walks which makes up for the Ks because he gets on base so much, he is better than Melky.
Melky has 4 more HRs, but the 9th hitter doesnt need HRs. Melky has 2 more RBI, but less double and triples. Gardner has 10 triples. Having a runner at 3rd base with Johnny Damon up next helps just a little dont you think? Gardner has almost scored twice as many times as Melky as well.
So again, what makes Melky better besides his arm that has thrown out what 3 people?
MC:
Real problem is you’re not trying to replace a 4th starter. You’re trying to replace Wang. The Yankees can skate on some of these minor leaguers (Horne for example) as a low end starter. Problem is when you reach October. It’s then you need an ace, and don’t have it.
I was actually 22 in 1977.
And there really is no trading in Pavano. Right now, we can get something for Melky and still have a back up.
And Gardner may bat .275-.280 in the majors (better than Melky) but his Slugging will still be high because of his speed
“Melky: AVG: .254-OBP: .312-BB/K: 22/37-SLG: .371- SB: 5
Gardner: AVG: .295-OBP: .411-BB/K: 53/62-SLG: .444- SB: 29
Stats dont lie”
Melky = major leagues
Gardner = AAA
You’re right, stats don’t lie. Gardner is where he belongs.
Actually Chamberlain has been given the task of replacing Wang since Cash said no to any type of big trade for a pitcher.And October we hope Wang will be back.
You can’t assume Gardner will be as effective a hitter in the bigs. Many scouts don’t think he will (and spare the Ellsbury comparisons – nobody thinks he’s close). Will he better than Melky? Maybe, but again Melky isn’t near the problem that Cano has been. Or Jeter. Or Abreu lately.
You’re right, stats don’t lie. Gardner is where he belongs. – - – Melky belongs in AAA more than Gardner does
Good God, give it a rest. You have the baseball IQ of an ice cube if you can’t distinguish the difference between Major League and Minor League numbers.
“You can’t assume Gardner will be as effective a hitter in the bigs. Many scouts don’t think he will (and spare the Ellsbury comparisons – nobody thinks he’s close). Will he better than Melky? Maybe, but again Melky isn’t near the problem that Cano has been. Or Jeter. Or Abreu lately.”
How do you Gardner wont be better or have good numbers in the majors? Did you think Chamberlain a year ago today would be up here dominating? No. You cant prove yourself if you dont get a shot
Actually, Chamberlain is replacing Hughes/Kennedy, or the slot opened up by Pettitte/Mussina trying to replace Wang.
Yes but Chamberlain is depended on to be the Ace of the team
Actually, no Chambelain hasn’t. He was put there to augment the rotation this year, not lead it. He may be an ace one day, but he’s not one now and as an innings limited pitcher, he stands a better than fair chance of being gassed by Ocotber and 140-150 innings (see: the similalrly talented Justin Verlander in 2006).
No one said he IS an ace right now, but thats what they want him to be.
Aren’t we talking about 2008?
“Yes but Chamberlain is depended on to be the Ace of the team”
No he’s not. No one is going to put a rookie who still hasn’t even recorded a win in that situation.
and who has an innings count..
So smart guys, what happens if Melky is still batting .250 by the break? What if were still 6-7 games back and hovering around 3 games over .500? I assume Rasner would have to be done as a Yankee because he has proven he cant cut it anymore in the majors. Kennedy should be up in 2-3 weeks, does he replace Giese?
So because a guy is young and a rookie, he cant anchor a team? Interesting.
Only the Yankees can drive full-grown men to argue about AAAA players.
Christian may or may not be the answer. Gardner may or may not be the answer. Giese may or may not be the answer. Aceves may or may not be the answer.
But this team needs an infusion of life. It’s getting to the point of the season where Cashman will start addressing areas after giving players more than enough time to prove themselves. Injuries to 2 of 4 our outfielders require all hands on deck.
If Christian’s going to stick around while JD’s ailing, I’d like to see him leadoff.
You want a rookie with an innings count to be the ace of the staff. that’s priceless stuff.
Cashman doesnt give a sh.t about this team. He is obviously leaving us after the season anyway
And Liriano (22) and King Felix (21) come to mind as young pitchers who were depended on like an ace when they pitched
to be frank the team has a lot other concerns than their 8th or 9th hitter. bringing gardner can be one of the solutions but it certainly does not rank very high on the list of solutions needed now.
Oh and if you guys arent smart enough to realize, I mentioned the years that those 2 guys dominated.
Justin Christian is a better solution than Gardner right now, but Joe needs to sit Melky down. When Damon is healthy Christian should play CF for a few games, and when Melky comes back in the lineup, and if he still sucks, then they should send him back down, but I doubt it because Girardi hasnt made many smart moves this year
What happens if Melky is hitting .250 at the break and they’re 3 games over .500??? Depends. If the differnece makers like Jeter, Cano and Abreu have continued to shit the bed and that Matsui isn’t producing due to injury, then they’ve got problems. If those guys are hitting, they’ll be better than 3 over. Melky’s not a difference maker at the plate. If you replace him with Gardner, another non difference maker, and the key players are still struggling, the team will still stink.
Mel, if Christian bunted at least once in his first two at bats, he’d be a big asset. He’s that fast and that good of a bunter. Very sound, fundalmentally. He’d be your basic walking double. He’s a very intelligent base runner. Whether he becomes a good hitter is up in the air. He doesn’t walk a lot, but, he isn’t a wild hacker. He’s really what you’d want in a #1 or #2 hitter.
BGU,
Sending Melky down is a Cashman decision. Too bad Cashman doesn’t care about this team.
And Liriano (22) and King Felix (21) come to mind as young pitchers who were depended on like an ace when they pitched
Liriano was never expected to be an ace because Santana was always the ace their. Felix was not expected to be an ace in his 1st year as a starter either. Nobody expects Joba to be one this year.
fundamentally
The major move is the Yankees bringing Melancon up to the bullpen in NY. If they do they, they are in good condition.
GB7,
Thanks, I didn’t watch the game. Just saw that Melky left 5 men on base as the leadoff guy.
But we knew that Melky’s not too great leading off.
“And Liriano (22) and King Felix (21) come to mind as young pitchers who were depended on like an ace when they pitched”
What?!? The Twins depended on Liriano instead of Johan Santana? News to me!
Maybe that’s why Liriano is pitching so great now or is he hurt still?
Mel: Girardi can sit Melky, which is what I said. Read please
Freddy: Yes the Twins had Santana, but how would they have faired if he went, lets say 8-8? Would they still have won the division? I doubt it considering the Tigers were 1 game behind
So Joba is the Ace, sitting Melky will save the offense, and Pavano is going to save the rotation.
Gotcha.
BGU,
Who are you talking about sending down here?
“when Melky comes back in the lineup, and if he still sucks, then they should send him back down, but I doubt it because Girardi hasnt made many smart moves this year”
Not trying to get into it with you, just trying to figure out if I’m losing it. And I’m younger than you guys! I was in grade school in 1977.
Mel, Cabrera’s in the ideal spot….#9. He really doesn’t fill another role. He has limited value to other teams, but, much more to the Yankees, at least, until the farm kids start sprouting. He’s a good kid, but, he gets into ruts that takes a long time to figure out. He tries, but, doesn’t appear to be real coachable, possibly because he doesn’t understand. This may be a little of Cano’s hitting problems…he only knows one way to hit. Ted Williams and Hank Bauer always said that Mickey Mantle was not only the most talented baseball player they ever saw and among the most coachable…except as a hitter. He only knew one way to hit and he couldn’t change.
Joba is not the ace, but the Yankees expect him to do well when he pitches, not 1-6 with a 7 ERA
Sitting Melky and trying someone else MAY save the offense since sometimes only 1 piece is needed to jumpstart things.
Pavano isnt going to save the rotation, but I wouldnt be surprised if he gave a good contibution
And What I meant was..
Girardi should sit Melky maybe 2 or 3 games, then put him back in. Give him till the ASB, if he doesnt do well, then you send him down to AAA, but I doubt Girardi will sit him because he doesnt make too many smart decisions
bring gardner up see if your little mind can comprehend (understand) this. If you are employed and get paid you may understand..
I will try to keep it real simple for your simple mind
jeter $19mill
Abreu $16 mill
Arod $20 something mill.
GIAMBO – $21 MILL.
Melky $600k or less.. THE GUYS WHO GET PAID MORE NEED TO BE MORE PRODUCTIVE, COMPRENDA???????
Do you see the correlation??/ More money equals more production.. Melky’s terrible (your words) production is much greater under any economic measurement then most of the yanks.. again I love Jeter but the numbers are the numbers.
see Rasner makes $600 k or so, therefore the expectations(look it up in the dictionary) are lower then for Moose or Pettitte…
so in closing Rasner is hoped to be a 5th strter and have a ERA in the league avg area and if he does better then that it is a bonus.. Melky is 25 and was expectd to be a good fielder, with a strong arm, who hopefully can get some timely hits.
If your mind cannot understand this we can no longer discuss these matters because you are mental disadvantaged…
Carl Pavano one of your hero I think for his $39 mill paycheck has about 5 wins as a Yankee therefore it is a bad investment unless you think Ken Lay was a good businessman then you are beyond help..
The major move is the Yankees bringing Melancon up to the bullpen in NY. If they do they, they are in good condition.
Huh ?? How does that solve the hitters not hitting w/ RISP, that is priority #1 before you over think anything else, meanwhile the only thing we can agree w/ is that Brett Gardner is not as bad as people make him out to be.
Nobody is saying that Gardner is bad, just not quite ready. Christian is probably better suited to play the fourth outfielder role and let Gardner finish honing his skills.
Melky’s salary also makes him vulnerable. Jeter, Giambi, or Abreu and even Cano with his new contract are all teflon.
Melky’s entrenched, but when he’s not hitting he’s on the bubble (in our minds). I don’t see him getting replaced by any of the speedsters.
Oh I understand. So, since Melky doesnt make alot of money, he can bat and field however he wants and not get blamed. Ok I understand now. Thanks for clearing that up
brandon we have no idea if Gardner will be good or bad.. I hope he does well but Melancon cannot hurt either or unless you think latroy and ohlendorf and others are doing just fine…
they can make multiple moves , why not??/ again these are internal assets and if they fail send them down so they can work on things….If you think it is a bad idea to do this because if they fail it will hurt there value on the trading market you are wrong the Yankees goals have to be simple win games now and in the future…...
I didnt know the Yankees could only concentrate on 1 thing. And I doubt were going to make a move to help score runs with RISP. So stacking our Bullpen with young talent I would say is a pretty damn good move
brandon we have no idea if Gardner will be good or bad.. I hope he does well but Melancon cannot hurt either or unless you think latroy and ohlendorf and others are doing just fine…
He first has to pitch in AAA, Hawkins is Mr.Clean is Garbage why are we bringing him up. I understand the concern but the problem here is hitting w/ RISP, until we solve that all your doing is wasting innings.
bring gardner it is official you are a moron and yes melky parked in your parking spot by accident and therfore you have a hate thing for a 24 yr old decent CF…
Good night I can only take so much of your wisdom, when I check in tommorrow please solve the RISP hitting problem, the bullpen issues, and the 4th and 5th starter problem..
also give abreu some nerve, arod some clutchness, jeter some strength to hit the ball out of the infield, cano a brain so he shows discipline at the plate and fix any and all other problems…
I like the Melky of last season. Good and cheap. That’s why I want to win a championships this year, so we can chuck all the dead weight (basically Giambi, Pavano, Farnsworth, and salary-wise Damon.) That leaves Jeter, A-rod, Posada, Mariano, Matsui, Abreu (1-2 year deal), and fill in with cheap young players. Don’t ask me about Mussina. Depends on what he looks like in September.
Melkys numbers are worse than Gardners. Take 40 points off Gardners AVG, and he is still better.
Scoring with RISP helps when the offense is clicking, and when you have a rally killer like Melky who is the cause of not hitting in 5 RISP, then theres your problem.
I’m watching the ultimate drag race. A Dodge Viper goes against an F-16 Viper.
The Dodge Viper blew the F-16 off the line and beat it in the quarter mile. In the half mile the F-16 won by 2 tenths of a second. Impressive.
I’m watching “I survived a Japanese Gameshow”. Not as funny as the originals, but it’s pretty funny watching the gaijin humiliate themselves.
Am I the last one here? If so, Congrats to Christian for being the lone bright spot today. Bittersweet I’m sure. Good luck to Joba today. Hope you get your first win.
Yeah, Mel, after his shakey beginning, Christian came through in style. Cano also had three hard shots for hits and a fourth hard hit ball. Hopefully, this is the start for him. Need to get Jeter rolling, too. Cabrera will put on his usual rush. Would be great to see the pitching, defense and all 9 hitting spots will all mesh at once for about 4 months, huh?
Funny how you can manipulate numbers, huh?You’re not manipulating numbers. The results are the same. How they got to be what they are is meaningless.
Honestly, I don’t think you can count beyond 10, so this whole argument is probably for not.
Are you trying to run for the office of King Troll, Jimmy Bob?
Instead of “for not”, it should read “for naught”, Jimmy Bob.
This whole discussion is for naught.
Not a game for old men…
Terrible game, but one that should make it crystal clear to everyone, even “Bring Gardner Up,” that there is no quick solution for this team. That doesn’t mean we’re a bad team, but we are not a Brett Gardner, C.C. Sabathia, or whoever, from winning the world series. Today, 2/3 of our outfield went down. You can repair that, and something else will go bad.
Rasner still has plenty of rope with me, and should with this team. My feeling’s that he’s not losing that spot at this moment.
Joba tonight. I’m smelling two out of three but, like Stuart said, the vets have to carry this team. 11-3? We should have won 15-11 against a team like the Pittsburgh Pirates.
Is it possible the ‘09 Yanks will have Gardner in CF and Melky in RF? It certainly would weaken the lineup in terms of hitting and power… but defense would be dramatically improved and speed would be excellent.
Sign Teixiera for 1B, Matsui/Damon/Giambi? share LF/DH. Best defensive Yankees team in years and if Cano returns to form a very good, though not overwhelming lineup.
I just want to see a damn good defensive team out there.
For this year if Guise and Ponson are ineffective the Yanks may be forced to acquire someone… as long as his name is not Arroyo!
Agreed with yankeenakte.
Girardi stunk too.Is he a college baseball manager?When Cano hit the leadoff double,Girardi let Molina as a PH.I think Girardi need to learn how to manage this team.