Game 77: Yankees at Pirates
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- June
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YANKEES (41-35)
Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Christian LF
Rasner RHP
PIRATES (36-40)
McLouth CF
Sanchez 2B
Bay LF
Doumit C
LaRoche 1B
Bring Back Doug Mientkiewicz RF
Bautista 3B
Wilson SS
Gorzelanny LHP
Darrell Rasner (4-4, 3.64) vs. the Pittsburgh hitters.
Tom Gorzelanny (5-6, 6.59) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: Justin Christian was called up today and is starting in left. Johnny Damon (sore foot) and Hideki Matsui (knee) can’t play the field, apparently. Not sure yet why Christian is here as opposed to Brett Gardner. … No official move yet but it appears Billy Traber is out.
The Yankees are coming off a 4-2 homestand and have won 13 of 18. … The Yankees are in Pittsburgh for the first time since the 1960 World Series. It is a certified Big Deal here in the Steel City and all three games are SRO. … Jeter (11 games, 14 of 44) and A-Rod (10 games, 15 od 26) are riding hitting streaks. … The ’stache is 5 of its last 6. … Hideki Matsui is 4 for 11 since he had his knee drained. … The Yankees have gone 39 innings without a homer.
Hey, Phil Hughes, Happy Birthday. Have fun playing catch tomorrow.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 5:33 p.m.: LHP Billy Traber was in fact optioned out. There is no need for a 40-man move as RHP Steven White was taken off the roster last week. … Johnny Damon (left foot arch) is out for today and Hideki Matsui (left knee) can’t play the field. Hence, Christian. He hits right-handed and the Yankees will be facing several lefties the next few days, which is why he was selected ahead of Brett Gardner.
(I know Gardner hits lefties. I can only report the news.)
Damon said he “couldn’t do anything” on Sunday but doesn’t think the DL is likely. Girardi gave his standard “it’s just a day” answer. Two forces are at work here. Damon tends to be a little dramatic about injuries and Girardi tends to pretend they don’t exist. Figure the truth is somewhere in the middle. Damon could play by Thursday, Friday at the latest.
Christian is a good story. He attended three colleges and played independent ball before the Yankees signed him. He has been in the organization since 2004 and is now 28.
Girardi still won’t say that Sidney Ponson is starting on Friday. Maybe he’s afraid the Mets will leave a six pack on the mound. But trust us, he’s starting on Friday.
Hall of Fame nice guy and 2005 hero Aaron Small was in the clubhouse before the game. He was in Pittsburgh running a baseball clinic for inner-city kids. Small lives in Tennessee and said with a wide smile that he is enjoying retirement and being with his family. Good for him.
UPDATE, 5:51 p.m.: Check out this box score from the GCL today. Humberto Sanchez pitched a game for the Yankees for the first time. Dellin Betances also threw.
UPDATE, 5:58 p.m.: Here is why Derek Jeter is a tremendous leader. 
When the Yankees lost two straight over the weekend, he told The Big G to fix his mustache and make it more presentable.
The Big G got himself some Just For Men and dyed it all dark brown. The Yankees then won, further confirming the awesome power of the ’stache.
After dealing with all of the trivial baseball news, we sought out Giambi and asked him about the new ’stache. “I look that guy who’s the neighbor on The Simpsons,” he said. “That (bleeping) guy.” He meant Ned Flanders.
Giambi also has given himself a new nickname. As I enjoy my job, I can’t repeat it.
UPDATE, 6:54 p.m.: This is pretty cool. The Pirates just had Bill Mazeroski throw out the first pitch. For you kids out there, he hit the walk-off home run to beat the Yankees in Game 7 of the 1960 World Series.
Outside of an exhibition game at Forbes Field in 1962, the Yankees haven’t been back in Pittsburgh since until today.
UPDATE, 7:06 p.m.: Just spoke to one of the Japanese reporters who follow Matsui. They watch his batting practice swings pretty closely and Matsui was favoring his left knee quite a bit. He also had it wrapped up before the game.
Godzilla is obviously a gamer but this injury appears to be something fairly significant.
UPDATE, 7:20 p.m: Welcome to the majors, Justin Christian. He just kicked around a single to left, allowing Freddy Sanchez to go to second.
UPDATE, 7:42 p.m.: The Yankees could have trouble scoring here as Hank Steinbrenner has ordered pitchers not to round third.
UPDATE, 8:35 p.m.: How was nobody warming up before this inning. Or now for that matter? It’s 7-1. Girardi’s (often unfounded) faith in his starters is puzzling.
UPDATE, 8:45 p.m.: So much for Johnny Damon being available and Hideki Matsui being a “pinch-hitter deluxe.” It’s 7-3 and Jose Molina is hitting?
UPDATE, 9:18 p.m.: It’s 7-3 with LaTroy Hawkins pitching and you pull the infield in? Meanwhile, the infield is still in at 8-3. In other news, it’s the seventh inning. Perhaps under the Randy Levine Incentive Plan, Girardi gets paid by the strategic move.
By all means, cut down that ninth run.
UPDATE, 9:45 p.m.: At what is having LaTroy Hawkins on the roster outweigh the benefits of giving David Robertson, Jeff Karstens or random passers-by a shot? And much like last season, it would appear the days of Edwar Ramirez fooling anybody with that changeup have passed.
12-3 and the Pirates have 19 hits. Yikes.
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There you go, Pete.
Anyone know what number Christian has?
So happy for JC!!!!!
No Damon and Matsui? Not good.
What the hell is Cashman doing
I just don’t get it….Christian over Gardner???? Someone has some ‘xplainin’ to do. Should be fun to see how this “experiment” plays out.
Christian over Gardner because they want Gardner to play every day.
JC will end up sitting out a few games, maybe pinch running here and there.
They want Gardner playing everyday in AAA. They don’t want to screw with his rythem.
They see him as more than a fill-in.
Kevin,
I heard #21.
Maybe Cashman sees three lefties going for the Pirates and wants a right handed bat?????
The Yankees are facing three LHP in a row. It makes some sense to bring up a righy bat and allow Matsui and Damon to possibly pinch hit.
jashell2000,
They want Gardner to play everyday and think it’s critical to his long term development that he does so. Christian isn’t a prospect like Gardner is, and they arent worried about getting him at bats everyday. He has good speed, not as good as Gardner, but he’s stolen 18 of 21 in AAA this year and has been hitting very well. He could be valuable off the bench, too. They don’t want Gardner up here so he could sit on the bench most of the time
I’m surprised also but Christian has some good numbers himself in 191 ABs: 4 HR, 39 RBI, 18 SB, .360 OBP, .309 AVG
What DMan said.
I don’t get sending Traber down, though, our bullpen is short as is.
Hope Damon’s foot isn’t that sore…I mean, given the Yankees’ history of understating injuries, I’m concerned.
From what I’ve read, Christian is RH, fast, has produced with the bat, can play all three outfield positions well, and converted from 2B a couple of years ago (so he might be able to fill in there in a pinch - hello, Robbie). He’s also a few years older than Brett Gardner. The organization feels that he is less a “prospect” than Gardner, and is therefore less in need of regular playing time to more fully develop.
Given the above, it seems like the logical move, now and maybe going forward, to use him to fill a bench role.
Now if we can only move LaTroy and Kyle….
Christian over Gardener to me seems very simple look at the pitchers we have over the next bunch of day
Gorzalanry - LEFTIE
DUke - LEFTIE
Maholm - LEFTIE
Perez - LEFTIE
Santana - LEFTIE
With all of these lefties a right handed bat makes sense. Gardner as a leftie defeats the purpose at THIS time.
If you look at Christian’s recent stats, it looks like he’s been hitting very well of late. That might be why they called him up rather than Gardner. Looks like he might have a bit more power also….
If Johnny Damon or Matsui are not going on the DL then it doesn’t make sense to call up Gardner if they want him to get regular at-bats.
Damon will probably play tomorrow which means Gardner will be regulated to LIDR and PR duties.
“Kevin,
I heard #21.”
Really? I’m surprised at that, not that I have an issue with it.
Anyway, he’s also up here because he’s right handed. And because he’s 28 or so years old he won’t benefit as much as Gardner with playing everyday.
Plus JC is hitting about .380 this month.
Check the numbers before you demand Cashman’s head. Christian’s are as good or better than Gardner’s. Yes, Gardner is arguably the better and more talented propect, but it appears that the Yankees want him to continue to develop his “not striking out” abilities in AAA. I don’t see how you can have a major problem with that.
To all the scouts out there, convince me why Gardner is better that Christian. Has everyone seen both of them play, or are you basing your opinions on the “experts” on different blogs?
maybe they finally DFA Moeller to make room- since they need both a 25 and 40 man roster spot?
Then if Moeller clears- DFA Chris Stewart and re-add Moeller when they need to bring him back (if MOlina or POsada go down).
If Traber was sent down, it’s probably a short visit by Christian to the majors. What will happen when they need to activate a starter Friday? If Moeller was DFA’d, then I’d guess Christian may be up longer.
If it’s a short trip up to the majors, that probably explains no Gardner. The Yanks are getting three straight lefties in Pittsburgh, and though Gardner hits lefties fine it would be pretty tough to put him in that situation.
I would have preferred Gardner but this is a lefty heavy line-up maybe he’ll come up when the series is over.
Christian will probably go down on Friday when Ponson has to be called up anyway.
I have theory I’ve been writing about over at River Ave, to the effect that the Yankees should use Giese in the first game of Friday’s DH and have Ponson ready to do long relief if Giese does badly. If Ponson is used in the 1st game, he’s sent down or DFAed after the 1st game and Karstens (who’d have to be in NYC on Friday) would start the 2nd game. If Ponson is not used in the 1st game, he’s used in the 2nd game and Karstens is not activated.
Of course, this all depends on whether the Yankee pen gets lots of work or not in Pittsburgh.
Kevin, my guess is Mel is joking. Though you never know.
Billy Traber really has no role on this team. Girardi didn’t use him against the reds when he could have given they’re lefty stacked hitters (including two rookie left handed hitters).
If Girardi wasn’t going to use traber in those spots then he’s not likely to trust him any time soon.
Could be moeller but I’d guess it’ll be Traber.
Anyone know how good Christian’s arm is out in left? Just wondering, can’t be worse than Johnny Damon thats for sure!
BTW - It makes no sense to DFA Moeller prior to Friday’s DH, when 18 innings have to be caught (Posada catches one game and Molina the other, but what if the Yankees need to pinch hit or if one’s tired or hurt?).
Saturday, maybe, but no way before Friday.
They actually don’t need a 40 man spot - Steven White quietly cleared waivers and was taken off a few days ago.
I can see Alberto Gonzalez going down, but the bullpen should be well rested so I’m not sure.
Kevin,
I was joking, but that would be funny. If only to hear Kay needle Paulie about it.
I would say he’s up b/c all the pitchers they are facing in the next few days are lefty?
“The ’stache is 5 of its last 6″
Love it, Pete, using the neuter tense. Hope “it” has a good game today.
And who’s this Cabo character. Hope he doesn’t swing at slop like the last 2B used to.
“To all the scouts out there, convince me why Gardner is better that Christian. Has everyone seen both of them play, or are you basing your opinions on the “experts” on different blogs?”
Gardner is a lot younger and has some upside. Christian is the guy who reminds you that AAA has basically become a taxi squad for the big club. He’s already 28 and not a prospect, but he’s white hot right now and a good guy to have with dinged up outfielders and three lefties pitching for the opposition the next three nights.
Hawkins has no role on this team either, perhaps he will be DFA’d?
Moeller being DFA’d makes sense now that Posada is healthy. I believe the only reason he wasnt before was in case Posada wasnt healthy enough to play catcher. Sending down Traber doesnt seem like the right move to me. Im excited to see Christian, tonight. But, I am extremely pumped to see Melky back at the lead off spot for tonight.
Cant agree with this move. With Christian its more like an NL lineup with the 8th and 9th hitters as automatic outs. Find it hard to believe that Damon cannot play after a day off, hes not like that. Smells like over managing again or over GM`ing to me. Seeing as how hard it is at times for the Yankees to score runs, I `d at least look at Betimet in Left for a few at bats and take him out for defense late. He has played left field before, maybe 4 or 5 games but I go with him before another auto out. Especially with Rasner pitching. Regarding Gardner, they could have brought him up, started him tonight, gave him a pr opp or something. Screw with his rythem? What rythem? (sorry for misspell) the priority should be the big team, they should have brought Gardner up
I WANT TO SEE GARDNER IN THE REAL PINSTRIPES SO BAD. NOW THERE IS AN OPPERTUNITY AND CASHMAN GIVES ME JUSTIN CHRISTIAN?
kevin-
I think steven white cleared waivers to make room for Oneli Perez (the 6 finger’d wonder).
I think they need to make another move to pull Christian up.
They could always move Wang or Hughes to the 60 day DL.
the Yankees are going to keep Moeller as long as possible…no way they DFA him.
My money’s on Alberto going down.
Hopefully Roberto Clemente family is seen through YES.I believe he’s wife Vera is accepting a award in he’s honor I believe it’s the Rawlings All-Time Gold Gloe award.Hope they show that.She’s a great women.
You guys should read Clemente:THe Passion and Grace of America’s Last Hero.What a crazy book about him and he’s life leading up to he’s plane crash.But he definetly deserves that award.
And how crazy is Joe Morgan beating out Roberto Aloamr for best defensive Second Baseman of all-time.
I can’t see Gonzalez going down - they’d have no back-up middle infielder (I’m not counting Betemit). If they were going to DFA Moeller, they’d have done it previously and called up Gardner to have a (strange) platoon with Melky. My guess is they send down Traber, and then send Christian back to the minors on Friday assuming Matsui and Damon’s injuries are better by then.
Who the hell is CABO ??? You forgot how to type?
hah! Called it
Grrrr I wanted a reliever up here too
Besides, Justin Christian has done plenty on his own to warrant a callup. This isn’t just calling up an outfielder for the sake of calling one up (otherwise it’d be Jason Lane, another righty, getting the call)
JC provides a boatload of speed (faster than Gardner, who has slightly better baserunning and fielding instincts) and good defense at all the outfield spots.
Yes, they want Gardner to play every day, but that doesn’t mean Christian is just some stopgap shlub. He’s a good player in his own right who’s done very well the last few seasons. It’s time to see if he can replicate that performance in the Majors.
Ok, this makes no sense. Or maybe this is wrong.
MLB.com has Darrel Rasner pitching tonight and also on Friday at 2. That would mean hes going on 2 days rest. If this is true, then Girardi is trying to throw the kids arm out. But I dont think this is right. Hopefully not.
Not sure what number Christian will be getting, but I heard that the Yankees are unretiring #3 when Gardner gets called up.
“The Yanks are getting three straight lefties in Pittsburgh, and though Gardner hits lefties fine ”
It’s extremely difficult to project how any left handed minor league hitter will hit left handed pitching in the major leagues.
Left handed pitching is the minors is generally terrible. Its amongst the biggest differences between minor league ball and major league ball.
There’s such a dearth of quality left handers any guy who is even half way decent is in the majors. Good left handed pitchers don’t stay in the minors long.
Look at a guy like Alex Gordon. He was once considered the top prospect in baseball. Was projected to be a 30-40 HR 3rd baseman. Since he’s been in the majors he’s been unable to hit lefties for any power.
Its very, very difficult to project minor league statistics for left handed hitters doing well against left handed pitchers. If the lefty hitter struggles you can assume he may have a lot of trouble against lefties in the majors. But you can’t draw the opposite inference when lefty hitters do well against lefties in the minors.
“Bill Mazeroski(the Pirate who hit the walk off grand slam against the Yankees in the world series many years back) is throwing the first pitch tonight.”
the lead in that game went back and forth probably 5 times. i was getting on the bus from school( 6th grade) when mazeroski hit the homer. all my friends and classmates were yankee fans.
that was on lousy bus ride home. no one said a word.
about thirty years later , i was having lunch at mckechnie field , when a nice older man asked if he could share my table. it was ralph terry who gave up the homer. i didn’t have the heart to bring up the homer , so we ended talked about golf. nice guy.
On a more personal note, it was so fun to watch that guy wreak havoc on the basepaths in 2006, when he set the Thunder stolen base record. When Brett Gardner joined the squad in the middle of the season, it must have been absolute hell for the opposing battery.
Oy, Pete, who is this Cabo guy playing second base? He some Mexican pick up a la Aceves?
Stefan-
Christian is 28 years old and my guess is the Yanks don’t see him as a prospect. He’s a career Yankee minor leaguer, has been playing well recently and the Yanks fit him for a very short term role in the majors.
Chad Jennings is reporting that Traber was optioned to AAA
Kettle, meet pot. Pot, this is kettle.
My thought on ‘cabo’ is that pete is just wishing he was there instead of beautiful steel city.
Andy - I also heard that Brett Gardner actually beat Carl Lewis in a foot race when he was a kid, and he is singing the National Anthem tonight and is rumored to have a voice somewhere between Luciano Pavarotti and a chorus of angels
“And how crazy is Joe Morgan beating out Roberto Aloamr for best defensive Second Baseman of all-time.”
Isn’t Morgan considered one of the best ever? Him and Maseroski(sp), no?
Rubin: MLB.com has got to have it wrong. Giese is due to pitch Friday at two.
Or the way Robbie has been hitting this year his head is in Cabo even though his body is with the Yankees
The only things I know about Pittsburgh is that they have a great sandwich @ Primanti Bros., a beautiful ballpark, and what I saw in Flashdance.
And the ballplayers wore funny hats back in the day.
CB-
You’re taking my statement on Gardner too far. My point was the Yanks wouldn’t want to call him up to face three straight lefties, not some argument about minor league performance against lefties being indicative of anything. (I don’t know what the studies show on that.) Still, I think hitting lefties well in AAA beats not hitting them well, don’t you?
Wave Your Hat - I am aware of Christian’s age. Thank you.
If he does well, there is no reason for the Yanks to send him away. I’m not saying that he will definitely stick, but to say that he’s nothing more than a 3-game fix is selling him very short.
If they wanted a short-term fix, they would have just called up Jason Lane, who actually has MLB experience.
Alright. Good. It says the same thing under probable pitchers on the Yankees official site.
It should be Geise and Ponson on Friday?
what would you think about trading for Paul Konerko?
Forgot to add this: JC has a chance to stick as a bench player, easily. He’s the speed off the bench we’ve been looking for, and he’s right-handed. That’s good enough for me. And if his presence pushes Melky to try harder, then all the better.
It wasn’t a walk off grandslam it was a leadoff homer i believe
I love when new guys are called up, something exciting.
do NOT trade for paul konerko.
Francis, Konerko’s numbers have significantly dropped off this year. And he’s on the DL.
Which partly explains why my fantasy team is in last place (mostly I’m just too lazy to care)
Duz ne1 kno wat time da game starts?
2 and a half hours to Gabo!
Anyone get that reference?
I’m actually getting confirmation that Gardner will wear #313, this number represents all of the retired Yankee numbers combined. The race againt Carl Lewis, he actually ran backwards, and he will be singing all FOUR verses of the National Anthem, because he is that good.
Christian if he does well could be the Shelley Duncan in terms of what his role was supposed to be and instead of helping Giambi at first get a day he allows the OF’s to get a day.
Stefan, my point as to Christian being 28 was not to question your knowledge, but to buttress my point that he’s probably not a prospect. No offense, I hope.
The Yanks will have to do something on Friday when they call up a pitcher, be it Ponson or someone else. My guess is they send down Christian, unless something unexpected happens between now and then. If so, that would indicate the Yanks don’t really view Christian as a prospect.
That said, I like the move and his AAA numbers look pretty good.
“kevin-
I think steven white cleared waivers to make room for Oneli Perez (the 6 finger’d wonder).
I think they need to make another move to pull Christian up.
They could always move Wang or Hughes to the 60 day DL.”
They moved Albaladejo to the 60 day for Oneli.
wave,
I didn’t particularly mean to take issue with your post. It was a more general thing. Its been said more and more often that part of the reason why Gardner should get called up is that he can hit lefties while melky can’t. Gardner’s numbers at AAA against lefties have been cited as evidence. I’d make no assumptions about how he’ll do against major league lefties.
Jeff NJ, I think it’s Gabbo.
http://www.blogdelossimpson.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/gabbo.gif
Konerko has started off poorly for the past 3 seasons and has been an absolute beast in the second half the past 2 seasons. I think he is worth a look. The guy has one of the best swings you will ever see from the right side.
Wow. This is a big deal for Justin. First day in the bigs.
As SJ44 has pointed out before, this means medical insurance for life.
Justin was born in Lincoln, NE so I’m sure that Harlan will be cheering for him to do well.
Does anybody remember when Carl Lewis sang the National Anthem in Houston. It was shown on ESPN, and Charley Steiner was unable to keep it together. Funniest clip I’ve ever seen.
Wow I guess Girardi gave up on Cano also. Seems like we have a new second baseman named Cabo! Sorry Pete just had to say that
Didn’t see the new thread.
CB -
Thanks for the link to Jennings’ article on Cashman.
SJ44 -
I guess it was in the last thread, but I have to agree about ARod’s being a better ballplayer since he relaxed a bit. My husband and I were commenting on it just the other night - ARod is almost always smiling, laughing, gabbing someone’s ear off on the bench. It is delightful to see. And of course, it doesn’t improve his inate talent, but it makes him better in an all-around, “intangible” way.
I suppose the Farnsworth situation is going to sort itself out. Perhaps if he misses a few games here due to his stitches, the rest of the pen can really step up, really turn it on, and then Kyle won’t necessarily be the ‘go-to’ guy anymore. As bad as his numbers are, though, how many games has he actually cost the Yankees? I don’t think it’s a big number - I actually think it’s rather small. but if you ask what the agita quotient is when he comes into a game, well, then, that’s altogether different.
After hearing so many people speak (write) about what a great stadium PNC Park is in Pittsburgh, I’m sorry I didn’t include that city on our summer vacation. Maybe there’s still a way we can swing by on our way home, if the Pirates are home, and take in a game there. The last time we saw a game in Pittsburgh, it was Three Rivers Stadium, and it was about 19 years ago. Phew, time sure does fly! But at the time, we sat in one of the enclosed corporate boxes, so that was cool. We loved Pittsburgh as a city, though, and were fortunate enough to be with natives of the city.
Lots of good information and discussion here today, by the way. Thanks, everyone
Oh, and Pete, is Phil Hughes finally getting to throw again? I hadn’t heard that. That’s good news.
I need some help here
Melancon is at 54 IP already this year
What is his innings cap since this is his first full year in pro ball and coming of Tommy John surgery?
At his current rate I don’t see how he could be a 2008 solution to the setup role
yea most people wanted to see gardner in this spot but christian has been playing really well and deserves a chance to…lets enjoy watching this guy and not getting down on cashman for not calling up gardner…go yanks!!!!
right you are Kevin- good call.
Doreen,
I’m disappointed. No bread jokes?
JC and Patterson both got their starts in the Frontier League in the same town. Scott has pitched to JC multiple times in the great city of St. Louis…pretty cool.
I personally think JC is a little bit underrated.
The guy who really loses out with Christian getting called up is Jason Lane - even more than Gardner in many ways.
They clearly wanted a right handed bat. Lane has major league experience.
If he’s not getting called up now not sure under what situation he’d come up in.
Wave - No offense taken, I just found it to be a superfluous statement. The fact of the matter is, JC has done well this year, and he provides a lot to the big league club that they don’t have: speed, defense, and a righty off the bench.
That said, you could be right about the impending flurry of moves. But if Traber was sent down today, then that means Moeller is likely on the way out this weekend, because we need someone like Christian more than we need Moeller (Jorge seems fine, and Jose is 100% healthy). Then if Ponson pitches the first game of the doubleheader, they can just option him and call a reliever back up for the nightcap.
They’ll figure something out.
Brian Cashman said Carl Pavano is supposed to be back before Hughes and is said to be in very good shape
mel -
I missed the boat on that one!
From the research i did Justin Christian has game-changing speed i will compare him to joey gathright
“If he’s not getting called up now not sure under what situation he’d come up in.”
Doesn’t Lane have an out clause of some sort??? You wonder if this doesn’t compel him to exercise it.
Bryan - I could be wrong, but if Melancon is dominating the competition this year, then his pitch count in those 54 innings is probably quite low. Cashman is carefully eyeing him, and I’m sure Tony Franklin wouldn’t have left him out there for 3 innings last night if he thought it would be harmful.
I wouldn’t worry too much. Minor League innings for relievers aren’t usually as taxing as MLB innings, and Yankees relief prospects have hit 90+ innings on many occasions (TJ Beam and Scott Patterson, for example)
The reason I guessed Christian would be sent down is that Traber was sent down, so pitching is thinner, and Moeller hasn’t been DFA’d yet so why would they DFA him before a doubleheader when, if we ever need him, we might need him.
Personally, I’m all for DFA’ing Moeller and leaving Christian up, if they don’t want to bring up Gardner just now. I just don’t think that’s what the Yanks will do.
I’m glad to see Traber leave. If he cant get out lefties he serves no purpose here.
What about Humberto Sanchez? I thought by now we’d be hearing more about his rehab. Does anyone have any info?
You know what? If Carl Pavano can pitch a couple of quality games and eat up some innings, if absolutely necessary, I don’t think it’s a horrible thing. The man should really earn some of that salary. Not to say I won’t be very thankful when he’s no longer an entity worthy of any modicum of discussion here or anywhere else in Yankeeland, if only because it’s become rather tedious.
I’m not sure Melancon is supposed to be up this year, anyway.
Not every prospect is Joba.
“Melancon is at 54 IP already this year”
Melancon’s IP number is very deceptive because he’s been so dominant.
He’s getting regular work in order to build his arm. They’re monitoring his pitch count more than his simply adding up his innings pitched.
He simply hasn’t needed that many pitches to get through his outings. For instance, yesterday he threw 3 innings and threw 20 pitches. That’s on the extreme side but he’s had a lot of very quick innings. Coming off TJ he really does need the work to get stronger.
In a certain way they’re having some issues getting him enough work as the starters in trenton are going so deep into the game. The other relievers in the trenton pen are getting squeezed as the starters go deep into games and they’re making sure to give melancon work.
They are grooming him for the majors this year. They’re not going to burn him out in the minors.
Pavano just smashed out his entire front teeth drinking out of the water fountain at Steinbrenner Field.
Wave - I guess what this boils down to is “We’ll just have to wait and see”.
Carl Pavano Back and help us?
I cant wait to see Pavano back up. He actually did pretty good when he hasnt been hurt. I expect a great rotation when the playoffs roll around
Doreen, I agree, if Pavano is healthy, his ass better be on the mound for the big club.
“Doesn’t Lane have an out clause of some sort??? You wonder if this doesn’t compel him to exercise it.”
He does and he could have opted to leave already. Probably didn’t get any offers. The yankees may also be paying him fairly well to keep him in the system.
But I could see him wanting to leave given how low in the depth chart he seems to be.
Pavano when healthy is not bad he can replace wang with his sinker
“The Yankees are coming off a 4-2 homestand and have won 13 of 18.”
wow ,that is good. that’s even better than the twins winning 12 of 17 when livan hernadez starts for them.
This is completely unrelated, I know, but I hate the baseball-reference.com layout. Why did they decide that dull fonts and unrelenting eye strain was good for business?
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Does Pavano has an option for next year? This kid still has talent and say what you want, but him as a possible 4 or 5 starter gives me chills
Thanks for the Melancon info
I haven’t been checking his pitch counts, just looking at the innings pitched
I know the Yankees have a plan for him and are sticking to it.. I was just wondering if we were being too optimistic for him to get his shot this year that is all
“Does Pavano has an option for next year? This kid still has talent and say what you want, but him as a possible 4 or 5 starter gives me chills”
He doesnt but i agree he has talent with his good sinker
is melancamp going to be groomed to take over Mo’s job in the future? It seems like they might have a few options to replace Mo is Betances, Melancamp and Sanchez
I, too, would like to see Carl Pavano on the mound if he’s healthy this year. Do I think he will be healthy? No..No I don’t. But if in the off chance that he is, you can’t let him rot in the minors or continue to put him on the disabled list. Even throwing him into the long-man role would make me happier than knowing his humongous salary is currently wasting away in Trenton.
“Does Pavano has an option for next year? This kid still has talent and say what you want, but him as a possible 4 or 5 starter gives me chills”
No way. Pavano is the definition of BUM. They wouldn’t re-sign this guy for league minimum.
While do I feel like Carl Pavano is reading the blog today?
is melancamp going to be groomed to take over Mo’s job in the future? It seems like they might have a few options to replace Mo is Betances, Melancamp and Sanchez
***Melancon (and just for future reference, it’s pronounced Muh-lance-in..I didn’t know that until a few weeks ago)
randy l, didn’t Randy Johnson win 17 games for the Yanks once?
I can’t believe people are actually talking about Pavano pitching for the Yanks, he will NEVER pitch another inning for the big league club……….
How can you deny Pavanos talent when he pitches? The guy isnt a bum, he is just very injury prone. There was no knowing he would get hurt so much with us.
Nick, didn’t he do it twice? lol
“I can’t believe people are actually talking about Pavano pitching for the Yanks, he will NEVER pitch another inning for the big league club……….”
Cash said he will be up before Hughes in the beginning of August, and is in extremely good shape. Best shape hes been in since coming to NY is what was said
We are not seriously having a pregame discussion about the merits of Carl Pavano.
No way.
Pavano as the 5th starter also gives me Chills, the kind I get when I see old people porn
Johnson went 17-8 and 17-11 with mid 4 ERAs in the 2 years he was here
stefan, I think you’re right.
Of course, that fact doesn’t really make a good counter-point to randy l’s Livan fetish.
How’s this scenario for you Gardner fans out there?
Assuming Matsui’s injuries linger, the Yanks will need another outfielder more or less indefinitely. That outfielder will get some playing time, because Damon needs to rest some and Melky could use some days off too. But the Yanks will need to send someone down Friday when they call up Ponson/mystery pitcher, and that won’t be a pitcher because Traber went down today. Assuming Posada’s status pins Moeller to the big league roster, that leaves Christian holding the short straw. But, they will send down Ponson/mystery man on Saturday, because no longer needed. Who will they call up? Can’t be Christian, they just sent him down. Will be…Brett Gardner! and despite Cashman’s previous statements, Gardner will stick until Matsui is 100%.
Just a guess, of course. Any thought?
Actually, Nick, Johnson came up big twice, with 17 wins for NYY.
“We are not seriously having a pregame discussion about the merits of Carl Pavano.
No way.”
I was just giving news about him coming back. Sorry I care about every player on the Yankee roster and not just a select few
JC has a weak arm
Joe, I’m eating.
“While do I feel like Carl Pavano is reading the blog today?”
This just in, Carl Pavano strained his eyes reading today, there is no timetable for his return.
There’s no denying that Pavano has talent, but he’s oblivious to everything around him. The fans hate him. He’s hated in the clubhouse. That’s the only issue for him taking the ball in the Bronx again. Pavano still thinks he’s god’s gift to baseball. Like he can just ride in on his white horse and save the day. If he doesn’t fall off it first.
Rebecca - My apologies, I was just trying to emphasize my hatred of Pavano
Bring Gardner Up: Sorry, but you’re going to have to do a lot of work to convince me Pavano should be given a chance. IIRC, he didn’t really actually need the TJ surgery…
Sorry Buzz, Christian’s arm is about average, but, much better than Damon’s.
Joe: Understood. But still, I’m never going to be able to eat a pretzel in the same way again.
the Pirates are toast!
the fact that the yankees are facing 3 lefties in this series has nothing to do with matsui and damon sitting…clearly theyre injured
“Pavano when healthy”
Isn’t that an oxymoron? I can’t believe people on here still fall for his trickery and think he will pitch for the Yankees. Never has, never will……
“How can you deny Pavanos talent when he pitches? The guy isnt a bum, he is just very injury prone. There was no knowing he would get hurt so much with us.”
Yeah Pavano was great with the Marlins… FOUR YEARS AGO.
Nobody is this injury prone, he’s a bum.
http://yankeeprospects.blogspot.com/2006/12/works-in-progress-justin-christian.html
take a look at the scouting report on JC
Yeah, GreenBeret said. JC doesn’t have Melky’s arm, but he’s average, which means he’s better than Damon and more than good enough for left field. For the record, Brett Gardner’s arm is about the same as JC’s.
“Johnson went 17-8 and 17-11 with mid 4 ERAs in the 2 years he was here”
No, he didn’t. Johnson was decent his first year, his second year he had a 5 ERA.
“How can you deny Pavanos talent when he pitches? The guy isnt a bum, he is just very injury prone. There was no knowing he would get hurt so much with us.”
Actually he isn’t that talented. He has thrown 200 innings only twice in his career, every other season he’s been at 135 innings or less. Of the two full seasons he pitched, he had a 4.30 era and a 3.00 era. Both seasons were in Florida which is a pretty big pitchers park. So basically he had one good season, one mediocre season and several injury plagued seasons. Not exactly “talented” if you ask me.
WYH:
Not buying it. We’re back to the DH after this weekend, so Matsui has a home again. I think they send Agonz down, keep Christian at least thru the weekend. They can bring Gonzalez back later if they need to.
Not randy all you want but what was his record against the SUX
Knock Randy sorry
Randy came up real big for the yankees the first year he was a Yank (2005) when he went 5-0 versus the Red Sox - helping them clinch the pennant on the second to last day of the season…..
Randy Johnson was saved by the Yankees offense. And he hated every pitch he threw here. And I almost don’t care what he did against the Red Sox, since he didn’t come through in the playoffs, which ws the ONLY reason George wanted him so badly.
Thanks for all the cheddar NY, peace out.
Easy to say now Doreen
“Pavano when healthy”
Mickey Mantle is still a good option for CF — when he’s alive.
I want to know what’s going on with Johnny Damon’s foot. We know Matsui has bad knees; he’s had bad knees for a while now.
What’s going on with Johnny’s foot?
Oh and who has done well for us in the Playoffs?
“What’s going on with Johnny’s foot?”
Still stuck in his mouth from the time he said “Joba shouldn’t start”?????
Pavanos clubhouse issues are all due to Derek Jeter. Carl Pavano slays a ton of hot twazool and Jeter was jealous that somebody else in his clubhouse was tattooing multiple pieces of high quality snatch. He then turned the locker room on him. Derek Jeter is a bigger C blocker than Chris Hansen.
Fredo,
Could be you’re right. But if Matsui can’t play the field, the Yanks clearly need a fourth outfielder. So when the Yanks call up a pitcher Friday, it comes down to dropping another reliever, sending down Christian, sending down Gonzalez, or cutting Betemit (assuming they don’t DFA Moeller, which is my favored action). Having sent down Traber, I don’t think they’ll go down another reliever. If Betemit is cut, there’s no back-up for Giambi. And if Gonzalez goes, there’s no back-up for Cano or Jeter. So I guessed Christian. But you could be right, Jeter and Cano never sit anyway, so it could be the Attorney General.
Wouldn’t surprise me if Carla was in good shape, he’s in a contract year where everyone has forgotten all about him (those that are lucky enough not to be Yankee fans anyway). He needs to show something IF he ever wants a job again. The only value he will ever provide here is if he does come back and pitch a good game or two, then we trade him to some NL team looking to make a playoff run and foolish enough to think he’d be healthy long enough for it.
http://yankeeprospects.blogspot.com/2006/12/works-in-progress-justin-christian.html
scouting report of JC
Still stuck in his mouth from the time he said “Joba shouldn’t start”?????”
Lol.
Rebecca,
I’m as concerned as you about Damon’s foot.
I’m concerned with Matsui, Damon and Farnsworth being banged up a week before the Yanks play Boston.
although, I think Johnny said he should start, but should have from the beginning. either way, dumb comment, foot in mouth….
Damon fouled a ball off of his foot on Sunday.
Slow response by me, but thanks Nick for the 4:31 Gabbo clarification. He may be an upgrade over this years Cano, but we got enough starters out of the lineup today. Looking forward to seeing this beautiful ball park.
Justin Christian is fast. Very fast. Faster than a speeding bullet. Christian uses his speed to get on base, steal bases, and play excellent defense. The good news? He has a lot more than just speed! Most 80 speed guys would make Luis Castillo look like a slugger. Christian? Nope! He actually has an average amount of power. He has a short and compact swing that allows him to drive balls to all fields and put the ball in play. He projects to strike out only 70-75 times per season, which gives him plenty of opportunities to leg out ground balls. He used to play 2nd base, but a weak arm got him a ticket for centerfield, where his 80 speed was put to use. He is a plus defender at the position.
Drive and GB: Glad I’m not the only one that’s concerned. Would like an official word on this one.
Heh, on Around the Horn they actually said ‘the power of the ’stache’.
Jeff NJ, I would give Gabbo a look just based on hype alone.
At the worst, he might still inspire an awesome Robbie Comeback Special.
Hey Buzz, Justin’s arm is weak for second but OK for CF? What’s up with that? I thought 2B was where they put you if you could field but your arm was too weak for anywhere else!
So being that Cristian is very fast, if one were to conceal him in glass, would he be lightening in a bottle?
wave…have you ever been on a baseball field? The throw from second to first is a lot further than it looks. One must have a very good arm to play any infield position(other than first base)
“Hey Buzz, Justin’s arm is weak for second but OK for CF? What’s up with that? I thought 2B was where they put you if you could field but your arm was too weak for anywhere else!”
i think the yankees move JC to The outfield because he has the amazing speed which allows him to play great defense and they dont want to waste the speed at 2B
i think 2005 he stole 63 bases and was caught 13 times
Francis, I’m a long time second baseman myself (really!). I was just jerking Buzz’s chain. You need a better arm at second than first, of course, but not as good as SS or 3B. Yhe CF’s on my teams always had a better arm than I did, though.
Johan’s grand slam yesterday? Only the second he’s let up in his career.
Christian is not going to play second base. Just not happening. He wasn’t playing outfield for the past few years just to switch positions in the MAJORS.
I really don’t know why we’re even speculating about that. He is an outfielder, period.
At this rate, Jorge becomes an option for 2B since that’s what he was initially. While we’re at it, let’s call up catcher Kyle Anson to play 3B and pitcher Michael Dunn to play left field again.
Christian brings something special to the table. There are two different kinds of stolen base threats in my mind. The first are 95% of speedsters out there; guys like Derek Jeter, Luis Castillo, Bobby Abreu, or Alfonso Soriano. These are very fast players who are good at picking up on a pitcher’s move. They can steal 25-45 bases per year, but most of their stolen bases are stolen off the pitcher. If the pitcher isn’t paying attention to them, they go. They are opportunistic. Then there are the 5% of speedsters who have the instincts and legs to steal a base when everybody knows that they are going. I’d say that Carl Crawford, Jose Reyes, Dave Roberts, Corey Patterson, and Ichiro Suzuki are probably the only MLB players who meet this standard. Scott Podsednik did a few years ago, but not since he injured his hamstring in 2005. These are the guys who can really throw a team and a pitcher off every time that they are on the basepaths. I think that Christian has that kind of ability. He is part of an elite group of prospects. However, he also has the ability to get on base at an above average rate and drive enough balls to the outfield to leg out some doubles and triples. On top of it all, he plays plus defense. He probably won’t ever get a chance to start without some sort of catastrophic injury, but he’ll be a valueable bench player until age slows him down.
I think I figured it out…
Wave Your Hat is Brett Gardner’s father.
You can’t explain that enthusiasm any other way.
BUZZ - you’re right. Christian really does have that kind of speed. Hopefully he gets many chances to display it.
Wave, I wasnt trying to be a nickname for Richard. SOme people really dont know how far the throw from second to first is…even from the regular spot a 2B plays, the throw is not nearly as close as it looks on TV or from the stands. Didnt mean it the way it cam accross.
I don’t think even Buzz expects Christian to play second base.
We need to bring up more talent from the minors, this makes the game so much exciting.
Traber isn’t really a hit but we need more bullpen arms but at the same time we need speed and Christian gives up that.
Justin Christian Expectations for this evening: 1-3, SB 2 SO
Francis, no offense taken!
“randy l, didn’t Randy Johnson win 17 games for the Yanks once?”
once was enough.
one thing before i leave work: Melky hits a homer today.
have a good night.. until tomorrow….
“I don’t think even Buzz expects Christian to play second base.”
hes not playing 2b hes bought up to be the backup OF and if Joe wants to give cano a day off alberto will be playing 2B
Justin Christian is fast enough to play left field AND second base, freeing up Cano to play a new position called “deep right field” which is a euphamism for Abreu Wall Patrol. It’s worth a try.
Hey EricVA-
I was just speculating on what the Yanks would do on Friday because it seemed interesting to me - I don’t really have a dog in the hunt for Gardner. Christian is OK by me short term.
This is not a bad move by cashman we need someone like this for a long time hopefully he will meet the expectations
“Justin Christian is fast enough to play left field AND second base, freeing up Cano to play a new position called “deep right field” which is a euphamism for Abreu Wall Patrol. It’s worth a try.”
i dont think Cano is moving to the OF base on the talent the yankees have in the minor leagues with AJax and gardner unless a big trade happens i highly doubt he will switch to the Of
Rebecca, Murti was on M&MD just now, talking about Damon’s foot. Damon said it was hurting on Sunday but played because he knew that Matsui couldn’t go. He said that he didn’t think it was plantar faciitis, but, it will be checked. Not sure how it could be, because Damon said it was in the arch of the foot. Plantar faciitis is in the heel.
i think it was 2006 when JC was with the thunder and he had either already broken or was only 2-3 steals away from the trenton SEASON stolen base record by ALL STAR BREAK.
One more quote from Cash at SWB Chamber from the primary article - not sure if they were posted earlier
““The Red Sox have a three-year head start (on rebuilding the farm system),” Cashman said. “But we’re putting ourselves in position to be where we want to be: Big-game hunters in the free-agent market, and huge players in player development.”
Big game = Tex? CC? who knows?
The 3 year head start comment is also interesting given where the Sawx are with young pitching vs. our misadventures with IPK and Hughes early this year. While I am confident that Hughes has the goods, maybe IPK can be our Kason Gabbard - used as a chip to get something for the stretch run.
“maybe IPK can be our Kason Gabbard - used as a chip to get something for the stretch run.”
Because Eric Gagne was a sure fire winner.
Pete, thanks for the news on Damon. Let’s hope he’s back ASAP, we need his bat.
Christian would/could only play second base in a dire emergency. It wasn’t his arm, it’s his hands. His hands aren’t soft enough or quick enough to play there. Why would you move a Gold Glove quality glove from second base to play the outfield?
Can someone text Cash and Girardi and line up Ponson for the 2nd game on Friday if he is in fact pitching? I’m going to the make-up game in the Bx and don’t want to see his fat arse on the mound……….
I still cannot believe Pavano started Opening Day last year.
“I’d say that Carl Crawford, Jose Reyes, Dave Roberts, Corey Patterson, and Ichiro Suzuki are probably the only MLB players who meet this standard. ”
Willy Taveras, Juan Pierre, Michael Bourn, Carlos Gomez, Jacoby Ellsbury need to be added to that list. Corey Patterson and Dave Roberts should be removed.
Howdy all,
let’s play a little trivia before the game, name this player:
In 103 innings pitched this year he has given up 150 hits, 60 earned runs, 13 bombs, had a .348 BA against him, has a 5.23 era and has struck out only 34. Not to mention that he makes $5 million and is one poster’s favorite pitcher to use to bash Cashman for not signing.
Who is this player? (bonus points for naming the poster who loves him)
V -
(and is this V or the other 20 people playing V on TV)
What is your point? The fact that Gagne puked all over himself has nothing to do with the fact that the Sox were able to use their chips to get him and we couldn’t.
Wow… no props for Aaron Small from the loyal readers?
Then let me throw this in:
Thanks, Aaron, for the memories and for being a good example. You had your once-in-a-lifetime season and it didn’t change you, didn’t go to your head. You’re not sulking and bitter over being out of the game. Instead you’re happy being with your family and running a baseball clinic for inner city kids. It seems like you have it figured out.
Continue to fight the good fight, brother. And thanks again for those big wins in 2005.
rbizzler: I’d say Santana, but he’s given up 14 bombs…
Why is Bret Gardner made out to be some kind of stud?
He cannot hit for power at all. But the way Melky is going he may be out there pretty soon and Melky may be packing his bags in a trade for a starting pitcher.
murphydog: Seconded.
six thousand over-30 outfielder/DH types on the team, and we have to call up someone from AAA to play tonight. nice.
welcome to the bigs, Mr. Christian.
We could haver traded our chips for Gagne last year. And I’m damn glad we didn’t. You don’t trade starting pitchers who rate as #3 starters for relief pitchers in this market.
“the Sox were able to use their chips to get him and we couldn’t.”
Yes we could, price was too high and Cashman passed. Anyone think he should have emptied the wallet for the puker?
“Corey Patterson and Dave Roberts should be removed”
Corey patterson still has good speed it just that he doesnt get on base enough to see him steal
too easy, rbizzler, too easy.
Since I often GENTLY tease the poster to which you refer, I’ll let someone else get the answer.
Nobody is making Gardner out to be “some stud.” He’s likely a fourth outfielder in the bigs but if his on base skills translate better than projected he could be a starter.
murphydog, I couldn’t say it any better.
…..That was not a pleasant GCL box score.
Every prospect is gold in our system.Those are what fantasy land fans think.
Gardner,Melky are future 4th outfielders.Austin Jackson who’s been hitting good in he’s promotion is a good shot to get rid of these overrated prospects.Whoprobaly don’t even have any trade value.
“I still cannot believe Pavano started Opening Day last year.”
yeah, what were the chances of marty miller injuring everyone but pavano.
Small was awful in the 2005 playoffs. The stink of Randy Johnson got all over him and he couldn’t overcome it. Hence why he ended his career with no wins after that 10-0 season.
Rebecca: Nope on Santana as he makes way more than $5 million, and has much better numbers across the board (minus the dingers).
You have your sights set way too high. Think a little more like a dumpster diver…
nick I’m thinking the answer is a gritty innings-eater who is also a gamer.
“Why is Bret Gardner made out to be some kind of stud?
He cannot hit for power at all. But the way Melky is going he may be out there pretty soon and Melky may be packing his bags in a trade for a starting pitcher.”
he has amazing speed, hits for avg, and plays great defense thats why?
Nick -
Did Elton John write a song about rbizzler’s mystery pitcher?
Gardner power numbers are way up this year. He had taken a different approach at the dish and has more extra base hits than JC. Even Justin must know it’s only a matter of time. He may be quick but can’t score from second on a grounder.
Patrick, I think we’re on the same page on this one.
I think this mystery pitcher is also the only active major leaguer to have pitched in the presence of Teddy Roosevelt.
I don’t see the goo goo eyes at all these prospects. The Yanks have overrated their system. Hughes and Kennedy both look like 5th starters. Melky should have been moved last winter. Gardner is a 4th OF and hes the best “young” guy at AAA. White, Marquez and Horne have been awful.
And this years draft boggles my mind. We barely go after any signability players? Why aren’t we flexing our muscles?
Are we really going to be outbid on Michael Inoa by the Oakland A’s?
Hopefully, people won’t be overly excited about thinking the Yankees just brought up Carl Crawford. Eventually, he could be a faurly decent hitter, but, his value is that he is a fine defensive outfielder with great speed and the ability to steal bases. He’s also a good hit and run type because he doesn’t strike out much, but, he also doesn’t walk a lot. He’s also a very good bunter. He’s already the best bunter on the team. As a minor leaguer, he had good extra base (double/triple) power in the gaps. If that carries over, he’ll be fine. Home run power? Not much, but might hit a few. It should only take about two games for the normal complainers to show up.
Nick,
Let’s have a little fun here.
I am tired of this notion that the pitcher in question is an asset to any team. In the words of intellectual titan Mike Tyson, that argument is ludacrisp, just ludacrisp.
***fairly decent hitter*
“Did Elton John write a song about rbizzler’s mystery pitcher?”
Maybe more than one, if “Sinker in the Wind” is about him too.
Patrick is getting warm as well…
One last hint, he used to pitch in the NL and although he is obese, actually swung a pretty mean stick.
“The 3 year head start comment is also interesting given where the Sawx are with young pitching vs. our misadventures with IPK and Hughes early this year.”
John Lester was drafted in 2002. That’s the 3 year gap Cashman was referring to. Wasn’t until 2005 that Cashman had oversignt of the draft and placed Opphenheimer in charge of player evaluation and selection.
Livan Hernandez.
Laugh all you want but didn’t he beat us????
rbizzler: No idea. Who is it?
Could be worse, fans.
We could be playing Fernando Tatis in RF and Damion Easley in LF.
Backed up by Marlon Anderson.
“Giambi also has given himself a new nickname. As I enjoy my job, I can’t repeat it.”
Can we work on the possible nicknames like in that Seinfeld episode - Mulva?
Barry is the official winner, but Nick and Patrick will always be winners to me as well.
“Livan Hernandez.
Laugh all you want but didn’t he beat us????”
He did. We should be ashamed.
Randy, is the mystery pitcher Livan Hernandez?
yay for melky in the lead off spot
…Behold, the power of the ’stache…
Rebecca,
This is the guy:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hernali01.shtml
And boy does he stink.