Game 77: Yankees at Pirates
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 24, 2008 
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YANKEES (41-35)
Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Christian LF
Rasner RHP
PIRATES (36-40)
McLouth CF
Sanchez 2B
Bay LF
Doumit C
LaRoche 1B
Bring Back Doug Mientkiewicz RF
Bautista 3B
Wilson SS
Gorzelanny LHP
Darrell Rasner (4-4, 3.64) vs. the Pittsburgh hitters.
Tom Gorzelanny (5-6, 6.59) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: Justin Christian was called up today and is starting in left. Johnny Damon (sore foot) and Hideki Matsui (knee) can’t play the field, apparently. Not sure yet why Christian is here as opposed to Brett Gardner. … No official move yet but it appears Billy Traber is out.
The Yankees are coming off a 4-2 homestand and have won 13 of 18. … The Yankees are in Pittsburgh for the first time since the 1960 World Series. It is a certified Big Deal here in the Steel City and all three games are SRO. … Jeter (11 games, 14 of 44) and A-Rod (10 games, 15 od 26) are riding hitting streaks. … The ‘stache is 5 of its last 6. … Hideki Matsui is 4 for 11 since he had his knee drained. … The Yankees have gone 39 innings without a homer.
Hey, Phil Hughes, Happy Birthday. Have fun playing catch tomorrow.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 5:33 p.m.: LHP Billy Traber was in fact optioned out. There is no need for a 40-man move as RHP Steven White was taken off the roster last week. … Johnny Damon (left foot arch) is out for today and Hideki Matsui (left knee) can’t play the field. Hence, Christian. He hits right-handed and the Yankees will be facing several lefties the next few days, which is why he was selected ahead of Brett Gardner.
(I know Gardner hits lefties. I can only report the news.)
Damon said he “couldn’t do anything” on Sunday but doesn’t think the DL is likely. Girardi gave his standard “it’s just a day” answer. Two forces are at work here. Damon tends to be a little dramatic about injuries and Girardi tends to pretend they don’t exist. Figure the truth is somewhere in the middle. Damon could play by Thursday, Friday at the latest.
Christian is a good story. He attended three colleges and played independent ball before the Yankees signed him. He has been in the organization since 2004 and is now 28.
Girardi still won’t say that Sidney Ponson is starting on Friday. Maybe he’s afraid the Mets will leave a six pack on the mound. But trust us, he’s starting on Friday.
Hall of Fame nice guy and 2005 hero Aaron Small was in the clubhouse before the game. He was in Pittsburgh running a baseball clinic for inner-city kids. Small lives in Tennessee and said with a wide smile that he is enjoying retirement and being with his family. Good for him.
UPDATE, 5:51 p.m.: Check out this box score from the GCL today. Humberto Sanchez pitched a game for the Yankees for the first time. Dellin Betances also threw.
UPDATE, 5:58 p.m.: Here is why Derek Jeter is a tremendous leader. 
When the Yankees lost two straight over the weekend, he told The Big G to fix his mustache and make it more presentable.
The Big G got himself some Just For Men and dyed it all dark brown. The Yankees then won, further confirming the awesome power of the ‘stache.
After dealing with all of the trivial baseball news, we sought out Giambi and asked him about the new ‘stache. “I look that guy who’s the neighbor on The Simpsons,” he said. “That (bleeping) guy.” He meant Ned Flanders.
Giambi also has given himself a new nickname. As I enjoy my job, I can’t repeat it.
UPDATE, 6:54 p.m.: This is pretty cool. The Pirates just had Bill Mazeroski throw out the first pitch. For you kids out there, he hit the walk-off home run to beat the Yankees in Game 7 of the 1960 World Series.
Outside of an exhibition game at Forbes Field in 1962, the Yankees haven’t been back in Pittsburgh since until today.
UPDATE, 7:06 p.m.: Just spoke to one of the Japanese reporters who follow Matsui. They watch his batting practice swings pretty closely and Matsui was favoring his left knee quite a bit. He also had it wrapped up before the game.
Godzilla is obviously a gamer but this injury appears to be something fairly significant.
UPDATE, 7:20 p.m: Welcome to the majors, Justin Christian. He just kicked around a single to left, allowing Freddy Sanchez to go to second.
UPDATE, 7:42 p.m.: The Yankees could have trouble scoring here as Hank Steinbrenner has ordered pitchers not to round third.
UPDATE, 8:35 p.m.: How was nobody warming up before this inning. Or now for that matter? It’s 7-1. Girardi’s (often unfounded) faith in his starters is puzzling.
UPDATE, 8:45 p.m.: So much for Johnny Damon being available and Hideki Matsui being a “pinch-hitter deluxe.” It’s 7-3 and Jose Molina is hitting?
UPDATE, 9:18 p.m.: It’s 7-3 with LaTroy Hawkins pitching and you pull the infield in? Meanwhile, the infield is still in at 8-3. In other news, it’s the seventh inning. Perhaps under the Randy Levine Incentive Plan, Girardi gets paid by the strategic move.
By all means, cut down that ninth run.
UPDATE, 9:45 p.m.: At what is having LaTroy Hawkins on the roster outweigh the benefits of giving David Robertson, Jeff Karstens or random passers-by a shot? And much like last season, it would appear the days of Edwar Ramirez fooling anybody with that changeup have passed.
12-3 and the Pirates have 19 hits. Yikes.
There you go, Pete.
Anyone know what number Christian has?
So happy for JC!!!!!
No Damon and Matsui? Not good.
What the hell is Cashman doing
I just don’t get it….Christian over Gardner???? Someone has some ‘xplainin’ to do. Should be fun to see how this “experiment” plays out.
Christian over Gardner because they want Gardner to play every day.
JC will end up sitting out a few games, maybe pinch running here and there.
They want Gardner playing everyday in AAA. They don’t want to screw with his rythem.
They see him as more than a fill-in.
Kevin,
I heard #21.
Maybe Cashman sees three lefties going for the Pirates and wants a right handed bat?????
The Yankees are facing three LHP in a row. It makes some sense to bring up a righy bat and allow Matsui and Damon to possibly pinch hit.
jashell2000,
They want Gardner to play everyday and think it’s critical to his long term development that he does so. Christian isn’t a prospect like Gardner is, and they arent worried about getting him at bats everyday. He has good speed, not as good as Gardner, but he’s stolen 18 of 21 in AAA this year and has been hitting very well. He could be valuable off the bench, too. They don’t want Gardner up here so he could sit on the bench most of the time
I’m surprised also but Christian has some good numbers himself in 191 ABs: 4 HR, 39 RBI, 18 SB, .360 OBP, .309 AVG
What DMan said.
I don’t get sending Traber down, though, our bullpen is short as is.
Hope Damon’s foot isn’t that sore…I mean, given the Yankees’ history of understating injuries, I’m concerned.
From what I’ve read, Christian is RH, fast, has produced with the bat, can play all three outfield positions well, and converted from 2B a couple of years ago (so he might be able to fill in there in a pinch – hello, Robbie). He’s also a few years older than Brett Gardner. The organization feels that he is less a “prospect” than Gardner, and is therefore less in need of regular playing time to more fully develop.
Given the above, it seems like the logical move, now and maybe going forward, to use him to fill a bench role.
Now if we can only move LaTroy and Kyle….
Christian over Gardener to me seems very simple look at the pitchers we have over the next bunch of day
Gorzalanry – LEFTIE
DUke – LEFTIE
Maholm – LEFTIE
Perez – LEFTIE
Santana – LEFTIE
With all of these lefties a right handed bat makes sense. Gardner as a leftie defeats the purpose at THIS time.
If you look at Christian’s recent stats, it looks like he’s been hitting very well of late. That might be why they called him up rather than Gardner. Looks like he might have a bit more power also….
If Johnny Damon or Matsui are not going on the DL then it doesn’t make sense to call up Gardner if they want him to get regular at-bats.
Damon will probably play tomorrow which means Gardner will be regulated to LIDR and PR duties.
“Kevin,
I heard #21.”
Really? I’m surprised at that, not that I have an issue with it.
Anyway, he’s also up here because he’s right handed. And because he’s 28 or so years old he won’t benefit as much as Gardner with playing everyday.
Plus JC is hitting about .380 this month.
Check the numbers before you demand Cashman’s head. Christian’s are as good or better than Gardner’s. Yes, Gardner is arguably the better and more talented propect, but it appears that the Yankees want him to continue to develop his “not striking out” abilities in AAA. I don’t see how you can have a major problem with that.
To all the scouts out there, convince me why Gardner is better that Christian. Has everyone seen both of them play, or are you basing your opinions on the “experts” on different blogs?
maybe they finally DFA Moeller to make room- since they need both a 25 and 40 man roster spot?
Then if Moeller clears- DFA Chris Stewart and re-add Moeller when they need to bring him back (if MOlina or POsada go down).
If Traber was sent down, it’s probably a short visit by Christian to the majors. What will happen when they need to activate a starter Friday? If Moeller was DFA’d, then I’d guess Christian may be up longer.
If it’s a short trip up to the majors, that probably explains no Gardner. The Yanks are getting three straight lefties in Pittsburgh, and though Gardner hits lefties fine it would be pretty tough to put him in that situation.
I would have preferred Gardner but this is a lefty heavy line-up maybe he’ll come up when the series is over.
Christian will probably go down on Friday when Ponson has to be called up anyway.
I have theory I’ve been writing about over at River Ave, to the effect that the Yankees should use Giese in the first game of Friday’s DH and have Ponson ready to do long relief if Giese does badly. If Ponson is used in the 1st game, he’s sent down or DFAed after the 1st game and Karstens (who’d have to be in NYC on Friday) would start the 2nd game. If Ponson is not used in the 1st game, he’s used in the 2nd game and Karstens is not activated.
Of course, this all depends on whether the Yankee pen gets lots of work or not in Pittsburgh.
Kevin, my guess is Mel is joking. Though you never know.
Billy Traber really has no role on this team. Girardi didn’t use him against the reds when he could have given they’re lefty stacked hitters (including two rookie left handed hitters).
If Girardi wasn’t going to use traber in those spots then he’s not likely to trust him any time soon.
Could be moeller but I’d guess it’ll be Traber.
Anyone know how good Christian’s arm is out in left? Just wondering, can’t be worse than Johnny Damon thats for sure!
BTW – It makes no sense to DFA Moeller prior to Friday’s DH, when 18 innings have to be caught (Posada catches one game and Molina the other, but what if the Yankees need to pinch hit or if one’s tired or hurt?).
Saturday, maybe, but no way before Friday.
They actually don’t need a 40 man spot – Steven White quietly cleared waivers and was taken off a few days ago.
I can see Alberto Gonzalez going down, but the bullpen should be well rested so I’m not sure.
Kevin,
I was joking, but that would be funny. If only to hear Kay needle Paulie about it.
I would say he’s up b/c all the pitchers they are facing in the next few days are lefty?
“The ’stache is 5 of its last 6″
Love it, Pete, using the neuter tense. Hope “it” has a good game today.
And who’s this Cabo character. Hope he doesn’t swing at slop like the last 2B used to.
“To all the scouts out there, convince me why Gardner is better that Christian. Has everyone seen both of them play, or are you basing your opinions on the “experts†on different blogs?”
Gardner is a lot younger and has some upside. Christian is the guy who reminds you that AAA has basically become a taxi squad for the big club. He’s already 28 and not a prospect, but he’s white hot right now and a good guy to have with dinged up outfielders and three lefties pitching for the opposition the next three nights.
Hawkins has no role on this team either, perhaps he will be DFA’d?
Moeller being DFA’d makes sense now that Posada is healthy. I believe the only reason he wasnt before was in case Posada wasnt healthy enough to play catcher. Sending down Traber doesnt seem like the right move to me. Im excited to see Christian, tonight. But, I am extremely pumped to see Melky back at the lead off spot for tonight.
Cant agree with this move. With Christian its more like an NL lineup with the 8th and 9th hitters as automatic outs. Find it hard to believe that Damon cannot play after a day off, hes not like that. Smells like over managing again or over GM`ing to me. Seeing as how hard it is at times for the Yankees to score runs, I `d at least look at Betimet in Left for a few at bats and take him out for defense late. He has played left field before, maybe 4 or 5 games but I go with him before another auto out. Especially with Rasner pitching. Regarding Gardner, they could have brought him up, started him tonight, gave him a pr opp or something. Screw with his rythem? What rythem? (sorry for misspell) the priority should be the big team, they should have brought Gardner up
I WANT TO SEE GARDNER IN THE REAL PINSTRIPES SO BAD. NOW THERE IS AN OPPERTUNITY AND CASHMAN GIVES ME JUSTIN CHRISTIAN?
kevin-
I think steven white cleared waivers to make room for Oneli Perez (the 6 finger’d wonder).
I think they need to make another move to pull Christian up.
They could always move Wang or Hughes to the 60 day DL.
the Yankees are going to keep Moeller as long as possible…no way they DFA him.
My money’s on Alberto going down.
Hopefully Roberto Clemente family is seen through YES.I believe he’s wife Vera is accepting a award in he’s honor I believe it’s the Rawlings All-Time Gold Gloe award.Hope they show that.She’s a great women.
You guys should read Clemente:THe Passion and Grace of America’s Last Hero.What a crazy book about him and he’s life leading up to he’s plane crash.But he definetly deserves that award.
And how crazy is Joe Morgan beating out Roberto Aloamr for best defensive Second Baseman of all-time.
I can’t see Gonzalez going down – they’d have no back-up middle infielder (I’m not counting Betemit). If they were going to DFA Moeller, they’d have done it previously and called up Gardner to have a (strange) platoon with Melky. My guess is they send down Traber, and then send Christian back to the minors on Friday assuming Matsui and Damon’s injuries are better by then.
hah! Called it
Grrrr I wanted a reliever up here too
Besides, Justin Christian has done plenty on his own to warrant a callup. This isn’t just calling up an outfielder for the sake of calling one up (otherwise it’d be Jason Lane, another righty, getting the call)
JC provides a boatload of speed (faster than Gardner, who has slightly better baserunning and fielding instincts) and good defense at all the outfield spots.
Yes, they want Gardner to play every day, but that doesn’t mean Christian is just some stopgap shlub. He’s a good player in his own right who’s done very well the last few seasons. It’s time to see if he can replicate that performance in the Majors.
Ok, this makes no sense. Or maybe this is wrong.
MLB.com has Darrel Rasner pitching tonight and also on Friday at 2. That would mean hes going on 2 days rest. If this is true, then Girardi is trying to throw the kids arm out. But I dont think this is right. Hopefully not.
Not sure what number Christian will be getting, but I heard that the Yankees are unretiring #3 when Gardner gets called up.
“The Yanks are getting three straight lefties in Pittsburgh, and though Gardner hits lefties fine ”
It’s extremely difficult to project how any left handed minor league hitter will hit left handed pitching in the major leagues.
Left handed pitching is the minors is generally terrible. Its amongst the biggest differences between minor league ball and major league ball.
There’s such a dearth of quality left handers any guy who is even half way decent is in the majors. Good left handed pitchers don’t stay in the minors long.
Look at a guy like Alex Gordon. He was once considered the top prospect in baseball. Was projected to be a 30-40 HR 3rd baseman. Since he’s been in the majors he’s been unable to hit lefties for any power.
Its very, very difficult to project minor league statistics for left handed hitters doing well against left handed pitchers. If the lefty hitter struggles you can assume he may have a lot of trouble against lefties in the majors. But you can’t draw the opposite inference when lefty hitters do well against lefties in the minors.
“Bill Mazeroski(the Pirate who hit the walk off grand slam against the Yankees in the world series many years back) is throwing the first pitch tonight.”
the lead in that game went back and forth probably 5 times. i was getting on the bus from school( 6th grade) when mazeroski hit the homer. all my friends and classmates were yankee fans.
that was on lousy bus ride home. no one said a word.
about thirty years later , i was having lunch at mckechnie field , when a nice older man asked if he could share my table. it was ralph terry who gave up the homer. i didn’t have the heart to bring up the homer , so we ended talked about golf. nice guy.
On a more personal note, it was so fun to watch that guy wreak havoc on the basepaths in 2006, when he set the Thunder stolen base record. When Brett Gardner joined the squad in the middle of the season, it must have been absolute hell for the opposing battery.
Oy, Pete, who is this Cabo guy playing second base? He some Mexican pick up a la Aceves?
Stefan-
Christian is 28 years old and my guess is the Yanks don’t see him as a prospect. He’s a career Yankee minor leaguer, has been playing well recently and the Yanks fit him for a very short term role in the majors.
Chad Jennings is reporting that Traber was optioned to AAA
Kettle, meet pot. Pot, this is kettle.
My thought on ‘cabo’ is that pete is just wishing he was there instead of beautiful steel city.
Andy – I also heard that Brett Gardner actually beat Carl Lewis in a foot race when he was a kid, and he is singing the National Anthem tonight and is rumored to have a voice somewhere between Luciano Pavarotti and a chorus of angels
“And how crazy is Joe Morgan beating out Roberto Aloamr for best defensive Second Baseman of all-time.”
Isn’t Morgan considered one of the best ever? Him and Maseroski(sp), no?
Rubin: MLB.com has got to have it wrong. Giese is due to pitch Friday at two.
Or the way Robbie has been hitting this year his head is in Cabo even though his body is with the Yankees
The only things I know about Pittsburgh is that they have a great sandwich @ Primanti Bros., a beautiful ballpark, and what I saw in Flashdance.
And the ballplayers wore funny hats back in the day.
CB-
You’re taking my statement on Gardner too far. My point was the Yanks wouldn’t want to call him up to face three straight lefties, not some argument about minor league performance against lefties being indicative of anything. (I don’t know what the studies show on that.) Still, I think hitting lefties well in AAA beats not hitting them well, don’t you?
Wave Your Hat – I am aware of Christian’s age. Thank you.
If he does well, there is no reason for the Yanks to send him away. I’m not saying that he will definitely stick, but to say that he’s nothing more than a 3-game fix is selling him very short.
If they wanted a short-term fix, they would have just called up Jason Lane, who actually has MLB experience.
Alright. Good. It says the same thing under probable pitchers on the Yankees official site.
It should be Geise and Ponson on Friday?
what would you think about trading for Paul Konerko?
Forgot to add this: JC has a chance to stick as a bench player, easily. He’s the speed off the bench we’ve been looking for, and he’s right-handed. That’s good enough for me. And if his presence pushes Melky to try harder, then all the better.
It wasn’t a walk off grandslam it was a leadoff homer i believe
I love when new guys are called up, something exciting.
do NOT trade for paul konerko.
Francis, Konerko’s numbers have significantly dropped off this year. And he’s on the DL.
Which partly explains why my fantasy team is in last place (mostly I’m just too lazy to care)
Duz ne1 kno wat time da game starts?
2 and a half hours to Gabo!
Anyone get that reference?
I’m actually getting confirmation that Gardner will wear #313, this number represents all of the retired Yankee numbers combined. The race againt Carl Lewis, he actually ran backwards, and he will be singing all FOUR verses of the National Anthem, because he is that good.
Christian if he does well could be the Shelley Duncan in terms of what his role was supposed to be and instead of helping Giambi at first get a day he allows the OF’s to get a day.
Stefan, my point as to Christian being 28 was not to question your knowledge, but to buttress my point that he’s probably not a prospect. No offense, I hope.
The Yanks will have to do something on Friday when they call up a pitcher, be it Ponson or someone else. My guess is they send down Christian, unless something unexpected happens between now and then. If so, that would indicate the Yanks don’t really view Christian as a prospect.
That said, I like the move and his AAA numbers look pretty good.
“kevin-
I think steven white cleared waivers to make room for Oneli Perez (the 6 finger’d wonder).
I think they need to make another move to pull Christian up.
They could always move Wang or Hughes to the 60 day DL.”
They moved Albaladejo to the 60 day for Oneli.
wave,
I didn’t particularly mean to take issue with your post. It was a more general thing. Its been said more and more often that part of the reason why Gardner should get called up is that he can hit lefties while melky can’t. Gardner’s numbers at AAA against lefties have been cited as evidence. I’d make no assumptions about how he’ll do against major league lefties.
Jeff NJ, I think it’s Gabbo.
http://www.blogdelossimpson.co...../gabbo.gif
Konerko has started off poorly for the past 3 seasons and has been an absolute beast in the second half the past 2 seasons. I think he is worth a look. The guy has one of the best swings you will ever see from the right side.
Wow. This is a big deal for Justin. First day in the bigs.
As SJ44 has pointed out before, this means medical insurance for life.
Justin was born in Lincoln, NE so I’m sure that Harlan will be cheering for him to do well.
Does anybody remember when Carl Lewis sang the National Anthem in Houston. It was shown on ESPN, and Charley Steiner was unable to keep it together. Funniest clip I’ve ever seen.
Wow I guess Girardi gave up on Cano also. Seems like we have a new second baseman named Cabo! Sorry Pete just had to say that
Didn’t see the new thread.
CB -
Thanks for the link to Jennings’ article on Cashman.
SJ44 -
I guess it was in the last thread, but I have to agree about ARod’s being a better ballplayer since he relaxed a bit. My husband and I were commenting on it just the other night – ARod is almost always smiling, laughing, gabbing someone’s ear off on the bench. It is delightful to see. And of course, it doesn’t improve his inate talent, but it makes him better in an all-around, “intangible†way.
I suppose the Farnsworth situation is going to sort itself out. Perhaps if he misses a few games here due to his stitches, the rest of the pen can really step up, really turn it on, and then Kyle won’t necessarily be the ‘go-to’ guy anymore. As bad as his numbers are, though, how many games has he actually cost the Yankees? I don’t think it’s a big number – I actually think it’s rather small. but if you ask what the agita quotient is when he comes into a game, well, then, that’s altogether different.
After hearing so many people speak (write) about what a great stadium PNC Park is in Pittsburgh, I’m sorry I didn’t include that city on our summer vacation. Maybe there’s still a way we can swing by on our way home, if the Pirates are home, and take in a game there. The last time we saw a game in Pittsburgh, it was Three Rivers Stadium, and it was about 19 years ago. Phew, time sure does fly! But at the time, we sat in one of the enclosed corporate boxes, so that was cool. We loved Pittsburgh as a city, though, and were fortunate enough to be with natives of the city.
Lots of good information and discussion here today, by the way. Thanks, everyone
Oh, and Pete, is Phil Hughes finally getting to throw again? I hadn’t heard that. That’s good news.
I need some help here
Melancon is at 54 IP already this year
What is his innings cap since this is his first full year in pro ball and coming of Tommy John surgery?
At his current rate I don’t see how he could be a 2008 solution to the setup role
yea most people wanted to see gardner in this spot but christian has been playing really well and deserves a chance to…lets enjoy watching this guy and not getting down on cashman for not calling up gardner…go yanks!!!!
right you are Kevin- good call.
Doreen,
I’m disappointed. No bread jokes?
JC and Patterson both got their starts in the Frontier League in the same town. Scott has pitched to JC multiple times in the great city of St. Louis…pretty cool.
I personally think JC is a little bit underrated.
The guy who really loses out with Christian getting called up is Jason Lane – even more than Gardner in many ways.
They clearly wanted a right handed bat. Lane has major league experience.
If he’s not getting called up now not sure under what situation he’d come up in.
Wave – No offense taken, I just found it to be a superfluous statement. The fact of the matter is, JC has done well this year, and he provides a lot to the big league club that they don’t have: speed, defense, and a righty off the bench.
That said, you could be right about the impending flurry of moves. But if Traber was sent down today, then that means Moeller is likely on the way out this weekend, because we need someone like Christian more than we need Moeller (Jorge seems fine, and Jose is 100% healthy). Then if Ponson pitches the first game of the doubleheader, they can just option him and call a reliever back up for the nightcap.
They’ll figure something out.
Brian Cashman said Carl Pavano is supposed to be back before Hughes and is said to be in very good shape
mel -
I missed the boat on that one!
From the research i did Justin Christian has game-changing speed i will compare him to joey gathright
“If he’s not getting called up now not sure under what situation he’d come up in.”
Doesn’t Lane have an out clause of some sort??? You wonder if this doesn’t compel him to exercise it.
Bryan – I could be wrong, but if Melancon is dominating the competition this year, then his pitch count in those 54 innings is probably quite low. Cashman is carefully eyeing him, and I’m sure Tony Franklin wouldn’t have left him out there for 3 innings last night if he thought it would be harmful.
I wouldn’t worry too much. Minor League innings for relievers aren’t usually as taxing as MLB innings, and Yankees relief prospects have hit 90+ innings on many occasions (TJ Beam and Scott Patterson, for example)
The reason I guessed Christian would be sent down is that Traber was sent down, so pitching is thinner, and Moeller hasn’t been DFA’d yet so why would they DFA him before a doubleheader when, if we ever need him, we might need him.
Personally, I’m all for DFA’ing Moeller and leaving Christian up, if they don’t want to bring up Gardner just now. I just don’t think that’s what the Yanks will do.
I’m glad to see Traber leave. If he cant get out lefties he serves no purpose here.
What about Humberto Sanchez? I thought by now we’d be hearing more about his rehab. Does anyone have any info?
You know what? If Carl Pavano can pitch a couple of quality games and eat up some innings, if absolutely necessary, I don’t think it’s a horrible thing. The man should really earn some of that salary. Not to say I won’t be very thankful when he’s no longer an entity worthy of any modicum of discussion here or anywhere else in Yankeeland, if only because it’s become rather tedious.
I’m not sure Melancon is supposed to be up this year, anyway.
Not every prospect is Joba.
“Melancon is at 54 IP already this year”
Melancon’s IP number is very deceptive because he’s been so dominant.
He’s getting regular work in order to build his arm. They’re monitoring his pitch count more than his simply adding up his innings pitched.
He simply hasn’t needed that many pitches to get through his outings. For instance, yesterday he threw 3 innings and threw 20 pitches. That’s on the extreme side but he’s had a lot of very quick innings. Coming off TJ he really does need the work to get stronger.
In a certain way they’re having some issues getting him enough work as the starters in trenton are going so deep into the game. The other relievers in the trenton pen are getting squeezed as the starters go deep into games and they’re making sure to give melancon work.
They are grooming him for the majors this year. They’re not going to burn him out in the minors.
Pavano just smashed out his entire front teeth drinking out of the water fountain at Steinbrenner Field.
Wave – I guess what this boils down to is “We’ll just have to wait and see”.
Carl Pavano Back and help us?
I cant wait to see Pavano back up. He actually did pretty good when he hasnt been hurt. I expect a great rotation when the playoffs roll around
Doreen, I agree, if Pavano is healthy, his ass better be on the mound for the big club.
“Doesn’t Lane have an out clause of some sort??? You wonder if this doesn’t compel him to exercise it.”
He does and he could have opted to leave already. Probably didn’t get any offers. The yankees may also be paying him fairly well to keep him in the system.
But I could see him wanting to leave given how low in the depth chart he seems to be.
Pavano when healthy is not bad he can replace wang with his sinker
“The Yankees are coming off a 4-2 homestand and have won 13 of 18.”
wow ,that is good. that’s even better than the twins winning 12 of 17 when livan hernadez starts for them.
This is completely unrelated, I know, but I hate the baseball-reference.com layout. Why did they decide that dull fonts and unrelenting eye strain was good for business?
(/rant)
Does Pavano has an option for next year? This kid still has talent and say what you want, but him as a possible 4 or 5 starter gives me chills
Thanks for the Melancon info
I haven’t been checking his pitch counts, just looking at the innings pitched
I know the Yankees have a plan for him and are sticking to it.. I was just wondering if we were being too optimistic for him to get his shot this year that is all
“Does Pavano has an option for next year? This kid still has talent and say what you want, but him as a possible 4 or 5 starter gives me chills”
He doesnt but i agree he has talent with his good sinker
is melancamp going to be groomed to take over Mo’s job in the future? It seems like they might have a few options to replace Mo is Betances, Melancamp and Sanchez
I, too, would like to see Carl Pavano on the mound if he’s healthy this year. Do I think he will be healthy? No..No I don’t. But if in the off chance that he is, you can’t let him rot in the minors or continue to put him on the disabled list. Even throwing him into the long-man role would make me happier than knowing his humongous salary is currently wasting away in Trenton.
“Does Pavano has an option for next year? This kid still has talent and say what you want, but him as a possible 4 or 5 starter gives me chills”
No way. Pavano is the definition of BUM. They wouldn’t re-sign this guy for league minimum.
While do I feel like Carl Pavano is reading the blog today?
is melancamp going to be groomed to take over Mo’s job in the future? It seems like they might have a few options to replace Mo is Betances, Melancamp and Sanchez
***Melancon (and just for future reference, it’s pronounced Muh-lance-in..I didn’t know that until a few weeks ago)
randy l, didn’t Randy Johnson win 17 games for the Yanks once?
I can’t believe people are actually talking about Pavano pitching for the Yanks, he will NEVER pitch another inning for the big league club……….
How can you deny Pavanos talent when he pitches? The guy isnt a bum, he is just very injury prone. There was no knowing he would get hurt so much with us.
Nick, didn’t he do it twice? lol
“I can’t believe people are actually talking about Pavano pitching for the Yanks, he will NEVER pitch another inning for the big league club……….”
Cash said he will be up before Hughes in the beginning of August, and is in extremely good shape. Best shape hes been in since coming to NY is what was said
We are not seriously having a pregame discussion about the merits of Carl Pavano.
No way.
Pavano as the 5th starter also gives me Chills, the kind I get when I see old people porn
Johnson went 17-8 and 17-11 with mid 4 ERAs in the 2 years he was here
stefan, I think you’re right.
Of course, that fact doesn’t really make a good counter-point to randy l’s Livan fetish.
How’s this scenario for you Gardner fans out there?
Assuming Matsui’s injuries linger, the Yanks will need another outfielder more or less indefinitely. That outfielder will get some playing time, because Damon needs to rest some and Melky could use some days off too. But the Yanks will need to send someone down Friday when they call up Ponson/mystery pitcher, and that won’t be a pitcher because Traber went down today. Assuming Posada’s status pins Moeller to the big league roster, that leaves Christian holding the short straw. But, they will send down Ponson/mystery man on Saturday, because no longer needed. Who will they call up? Can’t be Christian, they just sent him down. Will be…Brett Gardner! and despite Cashman’s previous statements, Gardner will stick until Matsui is 100%.
Just a guess, of course. Any thought?
Actually, Nick, Johnson came up big twice, with 17 wins for NYY.
“We are not seriously having a pregame discussion about the merits of Carl Pavano.
No way.”
I was just giving news about him coming back. Sorry I care about every player on the Yankee roster and not just a select few
JC has a weak arm
Joe, I’m eating.
“While do I feel like Carl Pavano is reading the blog today?”
This just in, Carl Pavano strained his eyes reading today, there is no timetable for his return.
There’s no denying that Pavano has talent, but he’s oblivious to everything around him. The fans hate him. He’s hated in the clubhouse. That’s the only issue for him taking the ball in the Bronx again. Pavano still thinks he’s god’s gift to baseball. Like he can just ride in on his white horse and save the day. If he doesn’t fall off it first.
Rebecca – My apologies, I was just trying to emphasize my hatred of Pavano
Bring Gardner Up: Sorry, but you’re going to have to do a lot of work to convince me Pavano should be given a chance. IIRC, he didn’t really actually need the TJ surgery…
Sorry Buzz, Christian’s arm is about average, but, much better than Damon’s.
Joe: Understood. But still, I’m never going to be able to eat a pretzel in the same way again.
the Pirates are toast!
the fact that the yankees are facing 3 lefties in this series has nothing to do with matsui and damon sitting…clearly theyre injured
“Pavano when healthy”
Isn’t that an oxymoron? I can’t believe people on here still fall for his trickery and think he will pitch for the Yankees. Never has, never will……
“How can you deny Pavanos talent when he pitches? The guy isnt a bum, he is just very injury prone. There was no knowing he would get hurt so much with us.”
Yeah Pavano was great with the Marlins… FOUR YEARS AGO.
Nobody is this injury prone, he’s a bum.
http://yankeeprospects.blogspo.....stian.html
take a look at the scouting report on JC
Yeah, GreenBeret said. JC doesn’t have Melky’s arm, but he’s average, which means he’s better than Damon and more than good enough for left field. For the record, Brett Gardner’s arm is about the same as JC’s.
“Johnson went 17-8 and 17-11 with mid 4 ERAs in the 2 years he was here”
No, he didn’t. Johnson was decent his first year, his second year he had a 5 ERA.
“How can you deny Pavanos talent when he pitches? The guy isnt a bum, he is just very injury prone. There was no knowing he would get hurt so much with us.”
Actually he isn’t that talented. He has thrown 200 innings only twice in his career, every other season he’s been at 135 innings or less. Of the two full seasons he pitched, he had a 4.30 era and a 3.00 era. Both seasons were in Florida which is a pretty big pitchers park. So basically he had one good season, one mediocre season and several injury plagued seasons. Not exactly “talented” if you ask me.
WYH:
Not buying it. We’re back to the DH after this weekend, so Matsui has a home again. I think they send Agonz down, keep Christian at least thru the weekend. They can bring Gonzalez back later if they need to.
Not randy all you want but what was his record against the SUX
Knock Randy sorry
Randy came up real big for the yankees the first year he was a Yank (2005) when he went 5-0 versus the Red Sox – helping them clinch the pennant on the second to last day of the season…..
Randy Johnson was saved by the Yankees offense. And he hated every pitch he threw here. And I almost don’t care what he did against the Red Sox, since he didn’t come through in the playoffs, which ws the ONLY reason George wanted him so badly.
Thanks for all the cheddar NY, peace out.
Easy to say now Doreen
“Pavano when healthyâ€
Mickey Mantle is still a good option for CF — when he’s alive.
I want to know what’s going on with Johnny Damon’s foot. We know Matsui has bad knees; he’s had bad knees for a while now.
What’s going on with Johnny’s foot?
Oh and who has done well for us in the Playoffs?
“What’s going on with Johnny’s foot?”
Still stuck in his mouth from the time he said “Joba shouldn’t start”?????
Pavanos clubhouse issues are all due to Derek Jeter. Carl Pavano slays a ton of hot twazool and Jeter was jealous that somebody else in his clubhouse was tattooing multiple pieces of high quality snatch. He then turned the locker room on him. Derek Jeter is a bigger C blocker than Chris Hansen.
Fredo,
Could be you’re right. But if Matsui can’t play the field, the Yanks clearly need a fourth outfielder. So when the Yanks call up a pitcher Friday, it comes down to dropping another reliever, sending down Christian, sending down Gonzalez, or cutting Betemit (assuming they don’t DFA Moeller, which is my favored action). Having sent down Traber, I don’t think they’ll go down another reliever. If Betemit is cut, there’s no back-up for Giambi. And if Gonzalez goes, there’s no back-up for Cano or Jeter. So I guessed Christian. But you could be right, Jeter and Cano never sit anyway, so it could be the Attorney General.
Wouldn’t surprise me if Carla was in good shape, he’s in a contract year where everyone has forgotten all about him (those that are lucky enough not to be Yankee fans anyway). He needs to show something IF he ever wants a job again. The only value he will ever provide here is if he does come back and pitch a good game or two, then we trade him to some NL team looking to make a playoff run and foolish enough to think he’d be healthy long enough for it.
http://yankeeprospects.blogspo.....stian.html
scouting report of JC
Still stuck in his mouth from the time he said “Joba shouldn’t startâ€?????”
Lol.
Rebecca,
I’m as concerned as you about Damon’s foot.
I’m concerned with Matsui, Damon and Farnsworth being banged up a week before the Yanks play Boston.
although, I think Johnny said he should start, but should have from the beginning. either way, dumb comment, foot in mouth….
Damon fouled a ball off of his foot on Sunday.
Slow response by me, but thanks Nick for the 4:31 Gabbo clarification. He may be an upgrade over this years Cano, but we got enough starters out of the lineup today. Looking forward to seeing this beautiful ball park.
Justin Christian is fast. Very fast. Faster than a speeding bullet. Christian uses his speed to get on base, steal bases, and play excellent defense. The good news? He has a lot more than just speed! Most 80 speed guys would make Luis Castillo look like a slugger. Christian? Nope! He actually has an average amount of power. He has a short and compact swing that allows him to drive balls to all fields and put the ball in play. He projects to strike out only 70-75 times per season, which gives him plenty of opportunities to leg out ground balls. He used to play 2nd base, but a weak arm got him a ticket for centerfield, where his 80 speed was put to use. He is a plus defender at the position.
Drive and GB: Glad I’m not the only one that’s concerned. Would like an official word on this one.
Heh, on Around the Horn they actually said ‘the power of the ‘stache’.
Jeff NJ, I would give Gabbo a look just based on hype alone.
At the worst, he might still inspire an awesome Robbie Comeback Special.
Hey Buzz, Justin’s arm is weak for second but OK for CF? What’s up with that? I thought 2B was where they put you if you could field but your arm was too weak for anywhere else!
So being that Cristian is very fast, if one were to conceal him in glass, would he be lightening in a bottle?
wave…have you ever been on a baseball field? The throw from second to first is a lot further than it looks. One must have a very good arm to play any infield position(other than first base)
“Hey Buzz, Justin’s arm is weak for second but OK for CF? What’s up with that? I thought 2B was where they put you if you could field but your arm was too weak for anywhere else!”
i think the yankees move JC to The outfield because he has the amazing speed which allows him to play great defense and they dont want to waste the speed at 2B
i think 2005 he stole 63 bases and was caught 13 times
Francis, I’m a long time second baseman myself (really!). I was just jerking Buzz’s chain. You need a better arm at second than first, of course, but not as good as SS or 3B. Yhe CF’s on my teams always had a better arm than I did, though.
Johan’s grand slam yesterday? Only the second he’s let up in his career.
Christian is not going to play second base. Just not happening. He wasn’t playing outfield for the past few years just to switch positions in the MAJORS.
I really don’t know why we’re even speculating about that. He is an outfielder, period.
At this rate, Jorge becomes an option for 2B since that’s what he was initially. While we’re at it, let’s call up catcher Kyle Anson to play 3B and pitcher Michael Dunn to play left field again.
Christian brings something special to the table. There are two different kinds of stolen base threats in my mind. The first are 95% of speedsters out there; guys like Derek Jeter, Luis Castillo, Bobby Abreu, or Alfonso Soriano. These are very fast players who are good at picking up on a pitcher’s move. They can steal 25-45 bases per year, but most of their stolen bases are stolen off the pitcher. If the pitcher isn’t paying attention to them, they go. They are opportunistic. Then there are the 5% of speedsters who have the instincts and legs to steal a base when everybody knows that they are going. I’d say that Carl Crawford, Jose Reyes, Dave Roberts, Corey Patterson, and Ichiro Suzuki are probably the only MLB players who meet this standard. Scott Podsednik did a few years ago, but not since he injured his hamstring in 2005. These are the guys who can really throw a team and a pitcher off every time that they are on the basepaths. I think that Christian has that kind of ability. He is part of an elite group of prospects. However, he also has the ability to get on base at an above average rate and drive enough balls to the outfield to leg out some doubles and triples. On top of it all, he plays plus defense. He probably won’t ever get a chance to start without some sort of catastrophic injury, but he’ll be a valueable bench player until age slows him down.
I think I figured it out…
Wave Your Hat is Brett Gardner’s father.
You can’t explain that enthusiasm any other way.
BUZZ – you’re right. Christian really does have that kind of speed. Hopefully he gets many chances to display it.
Wave, I wasnt trying to be a nickname for Richard. SOme people really dont know how far the throw from second to first is…even from the regular spot a 2B plays, the throw is not nearly as close as it looks on TV or from the stands. Didnt mean it the way it cam accross.
I don’t think even Buzz expects Christian to play second base.
We need to bring up more talent from the minors, this makes the game so much exciting.
Traber isn’t really a hit but we need more bullpen arms but at the same time we need speed and Christian gives up that.
Justin Christian Expectations for this evening: 1-3, SB 2 SO
Francis, no offense taken!
“randy l, didn’t Randy Johnson win 17 games for the Yanks once?”
once was enough.
one thing before i leave work: Melky hits a homer today.
have a good night.. until tomorrow….
“I don’t think even Buzz expects Christian to play second base.”
hes not playing 2b hes bought up to be the backup OF and if Joe wants to give cano a day off alberto will be playing 2B
Justin Christian is fast enough to play left field AND second base, freeing up Cano to play a new position called “deep right field” which is a euphamism for Abreu Wall Patrol. It’s worth a try.
Hey EricVA-
I was just speculating on what the Yanks would do on Friday because it seemed interesting to me – I don’t really have a dog in the hunt for Gardner. Christian is OK by me short term.
This is not a bad move by cashman we need someone like this for a long time hopefully he will meet the expectations
“Justin Christian is fast enough to play left field AND second base, freeing up Cano to play a new position called “deep right field†which is a euphamism for Abreu Wall Patrol. It’s worth a try.”
i dont think Cano is moving to the OF base on the talent the yankees have in the minor leagues with AJax and gardner unless a big trade happens i highly doubt he will switch to the Of
Rebecca, Murti was on M&MD just now, talking about Damon’s foot. Damon said it was hurting on Sunday but played because he knew that Matsui couldn’t go. He said that he didn’t think it was plantar faciitis, but, it will be checked. Not sure how it could be, because Damon said it was in the arch of the foot. Plantar faciitis is in the heel.
i think it was 2006 when JC was with the thunder and he had either already broken or was only 2-3 steals away from the trenton SEASON stolen base record by ALL STAR BREAK.
One more quote from Cash at SWB Chamber from the primary article – not sure if they were posted earlier
““The Red Sox have a three-year head start (on rebuilding the farm system),†Cashman said. “But we’re putting ourselves in position to be where we want to be: Big-game hunters in the free-agent market, and huge players in player development.â€
Big game = Tex? CC? who knows?
The 3 year head start comment is also interesting given where the Sawx are with young pitching vs. our misadventures with IPK and Hughes early this year. While I am confident that Hughes has the goods, maybe IPK can be our Kason Gabbard – used as a chip to get something for the stretch run.
“maybe IPK can be our Kason Gabbard – used as a chip to get something for the stretch run.”
Because Eric Gagne was a sure fire winner.
Pete, thanks for the news on Damon. Let’s hope he’s back ASAP, we need his bat.
Christian would/could only play second base in a dire emergency. It wasn’t his arm, it’s his hands. His hands aren’t soft enough or quick enough to play there. Why would you move a Gold Glove quality glove from second base to play the outfield?
Can someone text Cash and Girardi and line up Ponson for the 2nd game on Friday if he is in fact pitching? I’m going to the make-up game in the Bx and don’t want to see his fat arse on the mound……….
I still cannot believe Pavano started Opening Day last year.
“I’d say that Carl Crawford, Jose Reyes, Dave Roberts, Corey Patterson, and Ichiro Suzuki are probably the only MLB players who meet this standard. ”
Willy Taveras, Juan Pierre, Michael Bourn, Carlos Gomez, Jacoby Ellsbury need to be added to that list. Corey Patterson and Dave Roberts should be removed.
Howdy all,
let’s play a little trivia before the game, name this player:
In 103 innings pitched this year he has given up 150 hits, 60 earned runs, 13 bombs, had a .348 BA against him, has a 5.23 era and has struck out only 34. Not to mention that he makes $5 million and is one poster’s favorite pitcher to use to bash Cashman for not signing.
Who is this player? (bonus points for naming the poster who loves him)
V –
(and is this V or the other 20 people playing V on TV)
What is your point? The fact that Gagne puked all over himself has nothing to do with the fact that the Sox were able to use their chips to get him and we couldn’t.
Wow… no props for Aaron Small from the loyal readers?
Then let me throw this in:
Thanks, Aaron, for the memories and for being a good example. You had your once-in-a-lifetime season and it didn’t change you, didn’t go to your head. You’re not sulking and bitter over being out of the game. Instead you’re happy being with your family and running a baseball clinic for inner city kids. It seems like you have it figured out.
Continue to fight the good fight, brother. And thanks again for those big wins in 2005.
rbizzler: I’d say Santana, but he’s given up 14 bombs…
Why is Bret Gardner made out to be some kind of stud?
He cannot hit for power at all. But the way Melky is going he may be out there pretty soon and Melky may be packing his bags in a trade for a starting pitcher.
murphydog: Seconded.
six thousand over-30 outfielder/DH types on the team, and we have to call up someone from AAA to play tonight. nice.
welcome to the bigs, Mr. Christian.
We could haver traded our chips for Gagne last year. And I’m damn glad we didn’t. You don’t trade starting pitchers who rate as #3 starters for relief pitchers in this market.
“the Sox were able to use their chips to get him and we couldn’t.”
Yes we could, price was too high and Cashman passed. Anyone think he should have emptied the wallet for the puker?
“Corey Patterson and Dave Roberts should be removed”
Corey patterson still has good speed it just that he doesnt get on base enough to see him steal
too easy, rbizzler, too easy.
Since I often GENTLY tease the poster to which you refer, I’ll let someone else get the answer.
Nobody is making Gardner out to be “some stud.” He’s likely a fourth outfielder in the bigs but if his on base skills translate better than projected he could be a starter.
murphydog, I couldn’t say it any better.
…..That was not a pleasant GCL box score.
Every prospect is gold in our system.Those are what fantasy land fans think.
Gardner,Melky are future 4th outfielders.Austin Jackson who’s been hitting good in he’s promotion is a good shot to get rid of these overrated prospects.Whoprobaly don’t even have any trade value.
“I still cannot believe Pavano started Opening Day last year.”
yeah, what were the chances of marty miller injuring everyone but pavano.
Small was awful in the 2005 playoffs. The stink of Randy Johnson got all over him and he couldn’t overcome it. Hence why he ended his career with no wins after that 10-0 season.
Rebecca: Nope on Santana as he makes way more than $5 million, and has much better numbers across the board (minus the dingers).
You have your sights set way too high. Think a little more like a dumpster diver…
nick I’m thinking the answer is a gritty innings-eater who is also a gamer.
“Why is Bret Gardner made out to be some kind of stud?
He cannot hit for power at all. But the way Melky is going he may be out there pretty soon and Melky may be packing his bags in a trade for a starting pitcher.”
he has amazing speed, hits for avg, and plays great defense thats why?
Nick -
Did Elton John write a song about rbizzler’s mystery pitcher?
Gardner power numbers are way up this year. He had taken a different approach at the dish and has more extra base hits than JC. Even Justin must know it’s only a matter of time. He may be quick but can’t score from second on a grounder.
Patrick, I think we’re on the same page on this one.
I think this mystery pitcher is also the only active major leaguer to have pitched in the presence of Teddy Roosevelt.
I don’t see the goo goo eyes at all these prospects. The Yanks have overrated their system. Hughes and Kennedy both look like 5th starters. Melky should have been moved last winter. Gardner is a 4th OF and hes the best “young” guy at AAA. White, Marquez and Horne have been awful.
And this years draft boggles my mind. We barely go after any signability players? Why aren’t we flexing our muscles?
Are we really going to be outbid on Michael Inoa by the Oakland A’s?
Hopefully, people won’t be overly excited about thinking the Yankees just brought up Carl Crawford. Eventually, he could be a faurly decent hitter, but, his value is that he is a fine defensive outfielder with great speed and the ability to steal bases. He’s also a good hit and run type because he doesn’t strike out much, but, he also doesn’t walk a lot. He’s also a very good bunter. He’s already the best bunter on the team. As a minor leaguer, he had good extra base (double/triple) power in the gaps. If that carries over, he’ll be fine. Home run power? Not much, but might hit a few. It should only take about two games for the normal complainers to show up.
Nick,
Let’s have a little fun here.
I am tired of this notion that the pitcher in question is an asset to any team. In the words of intellectual titan Mike Tyson, that argument is ludacrisp, just ludacrisp.
***fairly decent hitter*
“Did Elton John write a song about rbizzler’s mystery pitcher?”
Maybe more than one, if “Sinker in the Wind” is about him too.
Patrick is getting warm as well…
One last hint, he used to pitch in the NL and although he is obese, actually swung a pretty mean stick.
“The 3 year head start comment is also interesting given where the Sawx are with young pitching vs. our misadventures with IPK and Hughes early this year.”
John Lester was drafted in 2002. That’s the 3 year gap Cashman was referring to. Wasn’t until 2005 that Cashman had oversignt of the draft and placed Opphenheimer in charge of player evaluation and selection.
Livan Hernandez.
Laugh all you want but didn’t he beat us????
rbizzler: No idea. Who is it?
Could be worse, fans.
We could be playing Fernando Tatis in RF and Damion Easley in LF.
Backed up by Marlon Anderson.
“Giambi also has given himself a new nickname. As I enjoy my job, I can’t repeat it.”
Can we work on the possible nicknames like in that Seinfeld episode – Mulva?
Barry is the official winner, but Nick and Patrick will always be winners to me as well.
“Livan Hernandez.
Laugh all you want but didn’t he beat us????”
He did. We should be ashamed.
Randy, is the mystery pitcher Livan Hernandez?
yay for melky in the lead off spot
…Behold, the power of the ‘stache…
Rebecca,
This is the guy:
http://www.baseball-reference......li01.shtml
And boy does he stink.
I’d rather have Livan than Sidney Ponson’s drinking problem at this point.
Even if both their peripheral numbers absolutely stink.
Livan, Livan wants his money:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMub1_CdOrQ
rbizzler-
is it sidney ponson!!! ?
Check out Livan’s similar counterpart by age when he was 26 and 27.
Umm Barry, Livan costs $5 million, while Ponson is getting the vet minimum and can be DFA’d without a second thought. Big difference.
“I’d rather have Livan than Sidney Ponson’s drinking problem at this point.”
Yeah lets get Livan and his 5 million dollar contract so he can pitch a spot start for us.
And I forgot to add that Ponson stinks as well.
“The ’stache is 5 of its last 6″
That has to be the best/most underrated comment around Pete
as if the stache is 5 of 6 – LOVE IT
“From the research i did Justin Christian has game-changing speed i will compare him to joey gathright”
So a light hitting outfielder who can’t get on base?
Until Livan gets knighted by Fidel Castro (or his brother Tattoo) I roll with the nobility, not the durable mediocrity.
Sorry Randy,
I thought you would have recognized your boy, but maybe your love was hidden behind his absolutely hideous numbers this season.
Cabrera hitting leadoff? Hopefully, abreu has a lot of fould balls or the first inning will be over quick with Cabrera and Jeter swinging at anything close to the plate (close tio the plate would be anything from on deck circle to on deck circle.
“Until Livan gets knighted by Fidel Castro (or his brother Tattoo) I roll with the nobility, not the durable mediocrity.”
Thats probably the funniest thing I’ve read all day.
“John Lester was drafted in 2002. That’s the 3 year gap Cashman was referring to. Wasn’t until 2005 that Cashman had oversignt of the draft and placed Opphenheimer in charge of player evaluation and selection.”
CB – was picking Lester a big deal at the time – signaling a change in philosophy for BoSox or was it just a pick that turned out well?
Please people.
Since when do the New York Yankees care about 5 million bucks and a one yr deal.
Seriously.
For a 5th starter they would do that in a second right now.
You do understand they are starting Sidney Ponson, right?
Listen. They pay 5 mill for a AAA starter!
***Foul Balls*** Excuse my typing. I hired Rebecca to type for me.
JoeT, as I’ve been saying, behold the power of the ‘stache!
Ponson, Igawa, Livan Hernandez talk, Pavano,
I think we all realize the Yanks desperately need to add a front line starter.
Why pay $5 Million when the same (lack of) production can be had for league minimum?
Speaking of uniform numbers, for what good reason has No. 45 or No. 29 not been issued to any pitchers that have been called up, short term or otherwise ?
Who in their right mind can figure that Pavano or Igawa can possibly be difference makers this year or any year ?
GB, just for that, when I’m rich and famous, no signed copies for you =P
(only joking. well, maybe.)
“Since when do the New York Yankees care about 5 million bucks and a one yr deal.”
Since the luxury tax made 5 million dollars on top of the Yankee payroll cost 8 million.
People who think that economics has nothing to do with team decisions need to read money ball, or just pay closer attention to what is happening with what mediocre teams are doing with their young talent.
Livan has 8 more wins than Hughes and Kennedy and combined.
rbizzler-
you think if he wins 11 games by the break that he’ll make the all star team?
wins = most meaningless stat you can throw out there.
Thanks for playing though.
“Since the luxury tax made 5 million dollars on top of the Yankee payroll cost 8 million.
People who think that economics has nothing to do with team decisions need to read money ball, or just pay closer attention to what is happening with what mediocre teams are doing with their young talent.”
Are you kidding? They pay 5 mill for Igawa! So their AAA team can be competitive!!
These are the NY Yankees. They poop green. They are not a nickel and dime franchise.
They gave Clemens 20+ to pitch 15 games.
They would gladly take a league avg starter on a one yr deal for 5 mill right now.
Especially when they consider the Raja in August.
The Yankees want to have a pipeline of young cheap players but they also won’t mind throwing money at problems.
And our rotation has huge question marks in it right now.
In the starting line-ups Pete posted he has Mientkiewicz in right field. I thought he only played 1st. Does Pittsburgh use him in the outfield or is it a mistake?
Randy,
Only if they let you cast the deciding vote…
Although it would be awesome to see a guy with a 5+ ERA in the Midsummer classic. I don’t think that Tito would be stupid enough to pitch him though. Maybe pinch hit him in extra’s…
“wins = most meaningless stat you can throw out there.
Thanks for playing though.”
Wins are sooooo meaningless. We don’t play the game to actually WIN the game. Oh no. Heaven forbid! It would be much better if Livan were 2-9 and had great stats like less hits.
Stat geeks are hilarious. Get your head out of the text book and join the real world.
Fran, Minky has also been platooning at 3b this year for the Pirates, so I don’t think that RF is out of the question.
Shows how bad the ‘Bucco’s are though.
Yankees ought to be careful with McClouth.
Winning the game is actually important, but who gets credited for the win is pretty meaningless.
Since when are pro sports the real world? Furthest thing from it, if you ask me.
Why are you so obsessed with Livan Hernandez, rbizzler?
I don’t think anyone here actually thinks hes a difference maker. But hey, it is Lohud.
I am not obsessed with him, Randy is.
I think he is awful and am happy that he is not on the Yankees.
“was picking Lester a big deal at the time – signaling a change in philosophy for BoSox or was it just a pick that turned out well?”
Picking Lester per se wasn’t that noteworthy at the time but that draft was a big deal for Boston and marked a huge change in direction for the franchise.
That was the first draft in the John Henry/ Larry Lucchino/ Theo Epstein era for Boston. Henry bought the team in 2002 and Lucchino and Epstein came aboard shortly after. Theo wasn’t technically the GM during the season (there was some interim GM I believe) but he was Lucchino main adviser and was very influential even in 2002.
That 2002 draft was the first one the new regime was responsible for. In 2002 they picked up Lester, 2003 Papelbon, 2004 Pedroia. That’s in addition to other good players they picked up during those three drafts (brandon moss was also 2002 for them) and their international signings.
Boston got 3 foundational pieces for their current team before the yankees reorganized under Cash in 2005.
I’m excited for the return of the Ponson Era.
Chugging contests, beer blasts, keg parties, wet t shirt contests, and Beerfest shown on YES.
Nick the Stick is out for the season, folks who were advocating getting him to replace Giambi back in April. Or, advocating trading for him this offseason.
Livan Hernandez, with his 5.23 ERA and 1.6 WHIP is not pitching in the all-star game. The Twins don’t need a rep who doesn’t deserve it (Mauer, Nathan, etc.).
Anyone who thinks Livan would help the Yanks should look closely at his numbers. He’s awful.
Something that really isn’t brought into the “win” stat for the pitcher is how the team plays behind them. Mussina is working faster than he had last year. I think that is a good part of his success as well. It keeps the fielders in the game and not back on their heels.
While wins aren’t everything in a pitcher’s record, it does reflect how he helped lead the team toward the goal of the game, to win.
I am off to run some errands before the game tonight, but enjoy yourselves.
As always, it has been a pleasure.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say rbizzler isn’t a big Wang fan. Since wins are a meaningless stat to him.
rbizzler – I don’t follow the Pirates so I didn’t know they were moving Mienkiewicz around.
Wins are not a good stat if you’re looking at how good a pitcher has pitched.
They are, however, in the end the only thing that matters for a team.
munch, after i get back I will post a link to a study about pitcher’s pace and performance that I think that you will enjoy.
I won’t ruin it for you by spilling the results now, but it is a good read.
All I’m saying is if given the choice between Livan and Sidney and Iggie and Pavano, I take Livan.
And I thought about it for maybe 1 second.
“Does Pittsburgh use him in the outfield or is it a mistake?”
Pittsburgh has played Minky in the outfield this year. LaRoche is their first baseman. I think Minky made their team out of spring training as their RF. Hard to believe, yet true. He’s hitting .246 with a .690 OPS and isn’t even playing the position where he was a legitimate plus plus defender.
rbizzler -
I was out and just got back, so I couldn’t play your game, but I am cracking up, ’cause I knew both answers!
TKinDC -
I also immediately thought of that Elton John song when I saw rbizzler’s question.
I think we’re all spending far too much time together!
I hope Damon’s going to be okay. Man, even with the rotating dh/of/1B, certain injuries just can’t be avoided, can they?
I am so happy to hear that Aaron Small is doing well. He was a godsend to the Yankees that season, and it was great to cheer for him then. Sounds like he was smart with the payoff for that one year, and I’m glad for him.
Is Minky playing tonight?? I sure wish he was still with the Yankees.
I’d rather have a pitcher win 19 games a year than be “dominating” and win 10.
The whole point of the game is to win isn’t it?
Whoops, last post – I love Wang.
Dude keeps the ball in the park, gets a ton of ground balls and doesn’t walk many people. All things that lead to being a successful starter.
Nice try Barry, I appreciate the effort.
Doreen-
What purpose would Minky have on this team? I hope you are kidding.
He’d take the place of Betemit…sadly, I’d stick with Betemit over him.
Pogo Stick-
If a “dominating” pitcher only wins 10 games, that means that the team is absolutely terrible and it doesn’t matter how many wins the pitcher picks up.
In a playoff game, would you rather have that same dominating 10 win pitcher or an average 19 game winner?
Rebecca,
I too am worried about Damon’s foot. John Heyman was on with the angry puppy today and he said it could be planter fasciitis. Scary.
BTW, it was good to meet you in Scranton (I was the one saying I couldn’t decide on a cool handle; as you can see, I still haven’t). What’s your blog address? From what Ron was saying, it sounds interesting.
It was entirely not my fault, Rebecca. I missed the “great bread pun-off” today and “kneaded” to have a little fun. It’s not a lot of fun poking (bread)sticks as some of the kids get off of the short bus.
I’m looking forward to reading your first Tudor novel (Working title: The Knights Of The Long Knaves” I assume.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....dDate=null
rbizzler
notice who is #5 on the list.
people who have spent more time on their computers than they have on a baseball field just don’t seem to understand the value of innings.
i don’t see why you keep picking on poor livan just because all the winning the twins are doing when he pitches( 12-5) is raising questions about your predictive ability.
12-5 is a stat. i thought you liked stats.
CB,
If I remember correctly Mientkiewicz is not very quick. I wonder how he does at covering ground out there in right field. Plus he was so good defensively at first base.
I didn’t have a chance to read through all 2 or 300 posts so maybe this has already been said, but…
Justin Christian is a MUCH better player than people know. I’ll tell you why this might hurt for Gardner…once JC shows off his game changing speed, good defense, energy that the Yankees currently lack, and solid bat it is going to be hard to send him back down. Basically, if all goes well he takes Gardners “spot”. Prospect status means nothing if someone is already producing ahead of you in the big leagues.
Assuming he gets enoguh at bats (and that is a BIG assumption, I know), JC is going to suprise a ton of people.
Eric VA -
No, I’m not kidding. Mientkiewicz did a good job defensively for the Yankees last season, and before he broke his wrist was hitting a fairly decent average. Not great, mind you, but decent. His defense more than made up for his offense. Betemit is not a good defensive replacement, and I’m conflicted about the lack of consistency in his offense, but I figure when a guy doesn’t play every day or even close to it, the offense is going to suffer. What he has that Minky didn’t is more pop. And I guess the ability to play more than one infield position. But, gee, the Pirates are playing him elsewhere, so…
I was frankly surprised when the Yankees cut Minky and went shopping for new people to do what he did.
ML, that was Sweeny Murti on M&MD. Damon said it was the arch of the foot, not the heel (location of plantar faciitis).
ML: http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com , or just click my user handle.
Scranton was an amazing evening. Still can’t believe Dave Miley just wandered in like he did!
GB: Sorry to disappoint, but write now it’s a baseball novel.
I mean right now.
oh, whatever.
Fran,
I think he’s actually been OK at third. He’s only played a handful of innings at 3rd since the season started.
But no, he’s not real fleet of foot so I can’t see the OF as being a great spot for him.
The Pirates have been such a disaster for years its hard to believe.
“I am off to run some errands before the game tonight, but enjoy yourselves.”- rbizzler
ah crap. just when i was starting to have fun.
Doreen-
I agree, he was hitting decently when he played for the Yanks. But he isn’t really anymore. Plus he was with the team when Giambi was the everyday DH, not 1B. While Minky does have defense at first that far exceeds anything we have now, he’d only play in the 8th and 9th innings or maybe once a week.
Yes the Pirates are playing him elsewhere, but remember…it’s the Pirates. I don’t think the Yankees would be so desperate.
Two of our gazillion-dollar outfielders can’t play today, we have to call up a 28 year-old AAA guy to play, and folks are arguing about what retread should be our fifth starter.
All the while, the actual fifth starter was damn near unhittable his last start.
Unbelievable.
A whole lot of folks need to give it up and go root for the Mets or something.
Randy l -
The only quarrel I have with you regarding Livan is that you don’t really know how he’d have done with the Yankees lineup behind him. Early in the season, the Yankees were not scoring too many runs, and even now, they have their games, ya know? So, while Livan is undoubtedly giving Minny what they need, you can’t automatically say he’d have gotten the same results here.
Eric VA -
Yeah, I don’t think the Yankees would have been plugging Minky in anywhere but first, and you’re right about Giambi being more DH last season. Different circumstances. Still, I liked the guy.
It’s okay, though. I’m learning how to let go…..
Sounds good, Rebecca. You can still use that great book title, for your next work of art. Not sure what you’re writing about in the baseball arena, but, for a baseball/murder story, you could write about this board, “Murder At Pete Abraham’s”.
Eric VA -
I just now read Pete’s lineup (I generally skip that part, don’t know why, cuz it should be important, right?), and apparently he agrees with me!
I understand Doreen…I still miss Homer Bush.
“So, while Livan is undoubtedly giving Minny what they need, you can’t automatically say he’d have gotten the same results here.”
He may have been earlier in the season. But they also have WAAAAAY better D (especially in their OF) than the Yanks do. Gomez is far and away the most valuable defensive CFer in the AL this year. So…I really doubt Livan would have been useful to the Yanks given his hideous peripherals.
Now…if he were FREE like Ponson and the Yanks needed a starter…yeah, I’d pick him up. But giving up talent for him now? Nope. Signing him in the offseason? No. Why? It’s really unlikely that he’d have provided much useful pitching this season.
Okay, Randy l -
You are the resident expert in plantar fasciitis – does it sound like Damon might be suffering from this? (I’ve pretty much forgotten most of what I read last season when Giambi was stricken, with the exception of knowing it takes a really long time to heal.)
So, Doreen…agreeing with you and expanding upon your point
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantar_fasciitis
So, if the pain is in his arch, that doesn’t sound like plantar fasciitis.
So, whozat, you’re aaying that Livan has been successful recently not so much because of the offense that Minny may or may not give him, but the defense playing behind him. Makes sense to me. Saves a lot of hits/runs.
Can we play a Bill Mazerowski 1960 home run mention drinking game?
Rebecca,
Do we have to skip the Brett Gardner drinking game if we do?
Looks like arch pain can be caused by plantar faschiitis:
http://www.epodiatry.com/arch-pain.htm
GB: Funny story–the protagonist in my novel is actually named Ben Abraham. I named him after my grandfather on my dad’s side, Abraham, and his brother, Ben.
Man, those shots of Pittsburgh look gorgeous.
Although, it sounds to me that even if there is arch pain, for plantar fasciitis to be indicated, there should also have been initial pain in the heel.
Eric: Of course not!
And let’s go Melky!
Okay, Rebecca, what are we drinking?
nice lead off walk
Doreen: Hmm. I come from a rum and coke/rum and 7Up family, so why not that?
Jeter.
NOT COOL.
my9 really needs to get thier act together. every broadcast there is something wrong with either the audio or the picture.
WOw Kenny Singleton calling out the Captain for being a moron…
Dang it Jeets
randy l, that would be awesome if Livan really made the All-Star game! Little known fact, he’s the only current active player to have also pitched in the last Cuban All-Star game attended by Fulgencio Batista!
Jeter: don’t do that!
That was not a good swing on 2-0
my9 does a horrible job with their yankee broadcasts.
Can’t he just get himself out?
Why did it have to be a DP!!
Damn you DJ
“So, whozat, you’re aaying that Livan has been successful recently not so much because of the offense that Minny may or may not give him, but the defense playing behind him. Makes sense to me. Saves a lot of hits/runs.”
Well, his last two wins were a product of facing anemic offenses. His early successes were probably a product of D, though.
Jeter is losing his edge and showing his age.
Gorzelanny is in the fairway
I can’t stand these loser announcers already
V
I concur.
Derek Jeter?????
He’s sooo losing his “edge.”
is there any way to play a DJ GIDP game?
The yankees would do better to not swing at all at this point.
Now are you guys getting it with Jeter? He walks Melky on 5 pitches and falls behind him with 2 pitches nowhere close and he grounds into a dp on the next pitch. Even the announcer thought he should have taken a pitch there and instead he hits into a DP. Jeter has become the biggest rally killer in this lineup with all his DPs. Maybe he needs to be moved down in the lineup.
that was the stupidest at bat that Jeter ever had…. plainly STUPID..
I think Matsui is hurting a lot more than everyone is letting on.
Nice steal for Bobby.
…not that it matters.
Can’t believe we didn’t score there, thank you Jeter. Anyway, off for dinner, back soon.
And these Pirates commentators should be on an easy listening station.
with the pitchers that we are throwing out there every out is so much more important….
Derek Jeter, G.I.D.P.
L.O.L.
I almost regret voting 550 times for him yesterday for the A.S.G.
“the stache is 5 of ITS last 6″ – classic.
we all have to understand that Jeter has played some many more games then an average player.. Hes been 12 straight playoff games and have played in numerous regular season games that counted a great deal.. Maybe thats why he skills have decreased over the past couple of years
Very poor english.. Just wanted to spit that out
Wow, Abreu didn’t run too hard after that one!
Oh damn great, now Matsui will miss the rest of the season, too
“Gorzo”
“Nate the Great”
“A little momentum shift here after the strike out of A-Rod and this double”
Man o man these guys are terrible
Even though Jeter hit into a comparable amount of DPs last year, his OPS was over 130 points higher. Jeter has become a liability, where you are so scared of DPs that you almost have to send the runner every time he’s up in that spot.
Look at the trends:
Year OPS GIDP SB
2006 .900 13 34
2007 .840 21 15
2008 .712 10 5 (through 70 games)
So he’s on pace for more DPs than last year with an OPS 130 points lower. Despite his slightly improved defense, he is killing us in the 2 hole this year. His SB are way down as he’s slowing. Jeter is starting to age and it’s showing.
Come on Rasner
Wonderful, I get to see Dave Wannstedt and Franco Harris’ mugs all game.
Hey, any updates on Damon from the broadcasting crew? How serious is the injury ailing him? And when did he sustain it? He looked fine on Sunday.
I hate Channel 9′s coverage. They have no pre-game and Russ Salzberg is a walking burlesque of New Yorker’s diction. How that guy earned a job in broadcasting I cannot fathom!
doreen-
i only know about heal spurs and plantar fascitis from personal experience.
last year it was clear the yankees had no clue about the severity of the problem with giambi.
the best thing is preventative stretching.
once a player gets it they are going to have problems for a while.
hopefully damon just got a mild strain.
Great. And Jorge is also a defensive liability. Letting that ball get by him is a tremendous defensive mistake with no outs like that, especially when Rasner had 2 strikes and could have prevented them from moving him up. He keeps missing routine pitches that go right off his glove.
Nice! Melky walks, Jeters swings at the first strike after 7 straight balls and grounds into double-play? Abreu walks, the 325 million dollar man strikes out? This is why we don’t score. This is bad baseball
What team am I watching here???
Little league in Pittsburgh! Christian got fooled by an egg ball. Cano can’t field it.
Yuck.
Dang it!
what a sloppy start
Cano should have fielded that throw. He is really lax in the field.
Funny isn’t that guys? Defense costs them at least 1, possibly 2 right there. Jorge’s “wild pitch” off his glove, Christian’s bobble, and Cano’s booting of the throw that would have had him by plenty at 2nd base. This team botches all the routine plays and it always seems to cost them lots of runs.
Well, Christian and Cano definitely have that LF-2B mojo working so far.
By the way, if you missed it, nice article in today’s NYT about the 1960 World Series and its impact on Pittsburgh. Worth a look.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06.....ref=slogin
Not a good start for the Yankees here
do we think Christian gets the nerves out of his system now?
I am going to pretend that this isn’t the Yankees and that this is some highschool team out in the field. I know this can’t be MY Yankees that look like complete amateurs.
I guess this teams crappy defense does cost runs
Cano still hungover
Defense did not cost them that first run. McLouth would have scored from second.
they should call jeter DP instead of DJ..
Jeter has not hit well at all this yr…
nice start by the yanks, good d, nice situational hitting etc….
guys jeter does not deserve a pass for life… the guy could not find the plate but DP helped him out for a change……
Everybody used to overlook defense, like it didn’t matter with all the big sluggers in the lineup. When it gets as bad though as this year’s team is, it starts to show and it’s cost them many games already. Hopefully tonight is not one of them.
That wasn’t Cano’s fault. Christian’s throw was as pathetic as his attempt to field the ball. Hopefully the nerves are out of him
That wasn’t Cano’s fault. Christian’s throw was as pathetic as his attempt to field the ball. Hopefully the nerves are out of him
somebody tell cashman if FARNSY is hurt, I can give up a run every inning if he is looking for a good set-up man for MO
don’t look now, but Bronson Arroyo is already having a bad night
Hey what do you know, bad defense just cost them a 2nd run there. You don’t make ROUTINE PLAYS and you should lose ball games.
Well, Christian and Cano definitely have that LF-2B mojo working so far.
By the way, if you missed it, nice article in today’s NYT about the 1960 World Series and its impact on Pittsburgh. Worth a look.
http://tinyurl.com/44p5tp
do they millionaires know the game starts at 7 pm????????
so far steller play….
Wow…it really looks like the Yankees have come to play. A DP when a guy can’t throw strikes…an error on a slow rolling ball…a guy who cant seem to throw strikes (Rasner)…2 out hits by .217 hitters…way to start. this team is a complete enigma.
one
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So why did Humberto Sanchez only pitch 0.2 of an inning today?
crappy pitching is not helping
it’s a difficult task but somehow the pirates announcers make the most exciting game of the pirates season unbearably dull. it pittsburgh really that slow and boring!? step it up guys – it’s your big moment!
Ok time to get these runs back
This team needs to wake up. That 1st inning was just comical
OK 2 runs isn’t the end of the world I guess.
Let’s hope Rasner shapes up for the rest of the game – He usually doesn’t have the best first inning, but then is fine after that – let’s hope that stays true today.
In a 1-0 game, Sterling says that the game could not have started off worse for the Yanks. [ridiculous]
Then he calls players by the wrong names frequently.
How much longer can this go on? Can we get a radio broadcaster that can one thing right other than say thaaaaa yankeeeeess wiiinn! ?
hope the offense is on today – because the pitching and defense is pretty suspect already.
be positive! those 2 runs will probably be the only 2 for the bucs and we probably will only score 1 with this 400 million dollar offense
Come on team! Sox and Rays both lost yesterday and Rays is trailing the Marlines over in FL right now we need to beat the under .500 Pirates to keep making gains.
Doug M looks like he lost a lot of weight and 5 years younger. I wish we kept him, I thought he was clutch at the end of last season when we made our run.
Rasner is fools gold people.
THere’s a very good reason we cut him…and another good reason why the dude can’t ever get out of “prospect status” at the spry age of 29..
” Little known fact, he’s the only current active player to have also pitched in the last Cuban All-Star game attended by Fulgencio Batista!”
nick in sf-
an even lesser known fact is a young man named che guevara had those seats as part of a seasons tickets package before batista nationalized them for himself and his cronies.
well, the rest is as they say history.
please – before panic sets in can you please check out the ERA of the Buc’s SP?
Rasner is an ace compared to this guy.
Wang is out for the year so whats the big deal if you just add Matsui to that list. Its about next year this team just cant seem to stay healthy enough to be a ws contender.
Holy crap. That camera shot was fantastic. Did anyone see that close up of the ball being thrown on the Jorge ground out?
I think it’s fairly obvious that Rasner has finally come back to Earth.
We are not going anywhere if we keep running out these below avg starters.
wow, game over already
A Home run would be sweet here
is this kid spanish?
Any truth to the rumor that Paul O’Neill is boycotting this series over the #21 issue?
Rasner pitched 5 good games. He did his job now replace him with the next hot hand in the system. Rasner clearly isnt a ml pitcher.
“please – before panic sets in can you please check out the ERA of the Buc’s SP?
Rasner is an ace compared to this guy.”
How well did we do against that rookie on Sat?
“Then he calls players by the wrong names frequently.”
lol. He does a lot.
I’ll be in the car, listening to the game and be thinking, “WTF are you talking about Sterling, he was already up to bat”..
Randy,
I am back (for now) and just to let you know I have spent plenty of time on a ball field, including the doubleheader I played this past Sunday. I enjoy stats as well.
Yes, your boy Livan has 8 ‘wins’ but judging by his performance his team has won in spite of him, not because of him.
Pete can’t you give us a hint about the nickname. What does it rhyme with?
I think Sterling’s job is not so much calling the game but reading the ads.
Jeter needs to be replaced. Maybe put him at 2b and find someone who can play SS.
man – and now AJ Burnett…that game in Toronto is crazy
need better offense especially off a 5-6 pitcher with a 6.59 era. Why does this team always make the bad pitchers (Gorzelanny, Chacon – who was so bad – the Astros (of all teams) moved him to the bullpen) look like aces??!?!?
Gardner would have hit it to Cleveland.
I hate when starting pitchers actually go out there and win ballgames.
When will they learn to just go out there and have good stats?
TK, People who think that economics has nothing to do with team decisions need to read money ball.
They wouldn’t understand because it supports not signing Santana and all the other over paid veterans on this team.
rbizzler-
big field or little field?
I love Pete’s endless criticism of Girardi and his explanations of injuries when he roots for Belichick was is the biggest a$$ and lies about injuries on a daily basis
c’mon Pete get a clue for once
Wow, there are so many 5 year olds here. CALM down. Rasner had a bad first, let’s see, maybe he’ll settle down. The Yankees are facing a guy who walks tons of people. All of you who call yourself Yankee fans should know that against the Yankees that is a lethal thing to do. Do you honestly believe they won’t be able to score some runs off this guy?
But yeah, let’s get rid of Rasner, we might as well get rid of Jeter because he grounded into a DP, and while we’re at it, let’s get rid of A-Rod because he struck out in his first at bat.
What’s happening in Toronto?
ok good. much better rasner.
Toronto put up 6 in the bottom of the 1 (Arroyo) and then AJ Burnett loads the bases with no outs in the top of the second…
And thank you, Daryl Rasner, for settling down (or for the weak part of the line up
)
He’s from a little province im Mexico named Nebraska.
Toronto scored 6 runs in the first. Yikes
How well did we do against that rookie on Sat?
V –
Watching the Yankees is clearly a difficult thing for you to do. Maybe you could take up a hobby where everything always goes well and nothing bad ever happens.
That Ted Williams didn’t get a hit 60% of the time over his career. What a loser.
The 1998 Yankees lost 54 games – maybe one of those was to a rookie. Chokers!
Maybe origami will be a better outlet for you – good luck!
Thanks, Rishi. Is there a full moon or something?
“TK, People who think that economics has nothing to do with team decisions need to read money ball.
They wouldn’t understand because it supports not signing Santana and all the other over paid veterans on this team.”
The Yankees are worth a billion and change.
If you really think any contract effects their bottom line you are a drinking the small market Kool Aid.
Much better job by Rasner.
Can we score a run or two now?
Come on Darrell..get on base somehow.
As a side note, spent the week in New York watching the series with the Padres and Reds. For those on the blog who are not in the local area, you need to catch one last game at Yankee stadium. The fans there are the best – even more cynical and negative at times than I can be. But, moreso, because it is still one of the greatest parks to watch a game.
That aside, anyone who saw the game last Thursday when Joba pitched and watched him get out of a bases loaded 3rd inning, needs to put the Joba in the pen issue to bed. He is far better with a higher ceiling than Hughes, Kennedy. Just freakin deals.
OK, I just got home and tuned into the game and didn’t know about Christian’s callup until now. I’m guessing there are a lot of angry Brett Gardner fans here and all over the interwebs? I am a fan myself, but it makes sense, they want a righty. Brett will get his chance soon.
anyway I see he made an error…how bad was it and how did he look at the plate?
Jeter needs to watch Rasner.
wow rasner draws the walk. Good job!
Lost 50 games in 1998.
good boy Raz!
Nice straw man argument, TKinDC.
You didn’t answer my question though.
steal rasner steal!
If Gorzelanny can’t even get Rasner out with an 0-2 count, how did Jeter think it was a logical decision to swing at 2-0 in the 1st?
Don’t be fooled, that at-bat by Rasner was fool’s gold. The Yanks still need to get a better hitting-pitcher.
that’s embarrassing – not as bad as giving up a grand slam (i’m looking at you Johan!!) but he walks the AL pitcher – AND he went full to him, 6 pitches
lol, good eye there Ras!
Please Jeter DO NOT SWING AT THE FIRST PITCH
Bronson Arroyo..tsk tsk..
I don’t care what Mike Francesa says-I don’t want you saving us.
7-1 Blue Jays now
Is Jeter allowed to go to the plate without a bat?
Hey – We’ll take all the walks we can get. Come on Jete – Let’s get something goin here!!!!
swing your ass off jeter…
Jeter needs to take 2 strikes here.
How bad is the farm system if we are calling up this Christian guy?
What does Gardner have to do to get the call?
Hey – if this guy wants to walk in 2 runs, I am cool with that.
Let’s play a game, Derek. It’s called: don’t swing your bat until Tom proves he can throw at least two strikes in an at-bat.
Seems unlikely.
In all seriousness, though, no reason to swing your bat against him this inning. Not yet, at least, and not unless he gives in to throwing a ball down the middle in frustration.
good one pete. I bet lil stein would fire the third base coach if he sent the pitcher this series.
If you really think any contract effects their bottom line you are a drinking the small market Kool Aid.
Has nothing to do with salary. The Yankees are fools for overpaying some of these players. It is more of an issue of overpaying millions to players past their prime and incapable of producing. And the small market Kool Aid is more about getting players who can produce and play baseball rather than geriatrics who have a good year in a contract year.
If you would like, I can send you the book so you can actually read it.
And the streak ends at 10 straight balls
Nick in SF, that made me lol.
Wow he took the pitch. Maybe he learned from his idiotic DP in the first?
Randy,
Big field. 25+ metal bat league. I did have a chance to fill-in for a friend’s wooden bat league team last week for a few games and it was highly enjoyable.
triple play, just sayin.
That was 10 balls in a row
Jeter appears totally lost.
come on jeter?
No DP for JETER???? ITS a MIRACLE….
jeter really tried to hit into another DP there
“Is Jeter allowed to go to the plate without a bat?”
a right handed or left handed one?
Lucky Jeter, he just blew it again and got lucky they booted the DP. 3-1 count and he can barely throw strikes and you swing again and almost bang into another. If not for Damon and Matsui out now, I’d say we should be benching Jeter for a game or two now.
Well, it wasn’t a DP
Jeter is really trying his hardest to hit into DPs at all times here!
Is Derek Jeter becoming a liability all of the way around? Oh my…I have not seen him look so consistently average since…never. Wow. Utterly wow.
That is just terrible.
V –
I don’t think you really understand what a straw man is because your tactic of bringing up one game as something definitive really is more of a straw man than me arguing for bigger sample sizes than one game.
Since we try to build self-esteem on the blog – try to learn what a straw man is by looking at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
To address your specific question – we lost one of 162 games on the schedule.
that’s the worst baseball i’ve seen all year
they need to get at least two runs outta this inning. 2 walks and no outs – they can’t settle for one run
That was rather lame.
Typical…only the Yankees could get the first two guys on on via the walk, have a pitcher throw 10 straight balls at one point, and still come away with 0 runs
why is abreu swinging at balls???
*%%^(&(*&)
dude, they have got to be kidding….
and there is the DP. Argh
WHAT A PATHETIC INNING… Blame it on JETER the RALLY KILLER…. Just SELL SUVs JETER…
two on – no outs and they get nothing. great. this offense is asleep again…
wow nice going declining capt.
swing on 3-1 now 2-1 good going.
So this is pretty pathetic baseball. I don’t want to sound like I think the sky is falling or anything, but you’ve got to call a spade a spade. This is garbage so far.
Man the Yankees look pathetic tonight. Is there a contest going on with the Yankees for hitting into double plays?
The guy can’t throw a strike and they let him off the hook. I don’t get it.
PATHETIC. There is no other word to describe this team tonight other than that.
10 straight balls and they can’t even score in the inning thanks to moron Jeter swinging 3-1 and almost banging into another DP and Abreu sealing the deal on a pitch out of the zone. Good job guys. That error is looming pretty large now isn’t it? Will they even score any tonight?
pathetic!!!! we need BERNIE
Typical? Once upon a time Red Sox fans were saying that…
But they have to do better than THAT.
come on experts blame it on Melky.
Jeter all most hit the ball past the pitcher and then more clutch AB’s by abreu.
Yech.. Really is this watchable??????
Walk Rasner and then Melky on 4 pitches, way to go el capitan.
“The Yankees are worth a billion and change.
If you really think any contract effects their bottom line you are a drinking the small market Kool Aid.”
A-Rods contract = between 275-300 Million Dollars. What color is the sky in the world you live in.
How well did we do against that rookie on Sat?
as well as this powerful offense just did in that inning. Those were quality AB’s by Jeter and Abreu.
Brett Gardner, if you want to come to the bigs, watch those AB’s and emulate, otherwise, enjoy Scranton.
You really have to score at least one in that type of situation
Wow, this team is really frustrating me. Rasner and Melky walk, and then Jeter and Bobby do everything they can to GIDP when this pitcher can’t throw strikes?
I am not happy right now.
You guys were all crying that the season was over with Chien-Ming Wang out. Well guess what, the problem never was and never will be their pitching. It’s the pathetic offense. They are 12th in MLB in BA with RISP. Their pitching is really good even without Wang, but their inability to score runs will be their undoing once again, as it has been in the playoffs year after year.
We need to trade for Bronson. He is doing great in Toronto!! Give away the farm, I don’t care who.
Dustin Pedroia might be 5’6″ at best and weigh 120 lbs soaking wet, but somehow he just hit his 7th home run of the year. Ridiculous.
Considering that the Yankee lineup is built to exploit pitchers in the precise situation Gorzelanny was in, that was *tremendously* inept baseball that we just witnessed. I’m actually at a loss for what to say about it, it was so horrendous.
This is the same way the Yanks were on Saturday. They have to get the runner in from 3rd with less than 2 outs. They should be able to score against Pittsburgh.
“Yech.. Really is this watchable??????”
Stuart if there is a gun to your head – let me know where you are and I’ll call 911.
Ack… the appearance of the Straw Man©.
Derek stinks.. The guy is having his worst yr. in his career. Is it really debateable????
the team is 1/2 asleep/.. terrible….
if they were getting smoked by a great pitching performance that is one thing this is just UGLY
good job MATT! I agree with you 100% and the baseball media should start focusing on that rather then our pitching
Are we all watching the same game? Yes, the Yankee offense has been utterly pathetic so far, but let’s be realistic. If Rasner holds them here, there is no way that the Pirate’s pitcher can continue to walk so many Yankee batters without getting burned. He’ll walk a few and eventually someone will get a hit, it’s just a matter of time.
If you don’t want to watch it, then don’t. But please spare the rest of us.
Wow, I am really unhappy right now.
Apparently Stuart isn’t in the mood to be considerate to the rest of us, lol.
whoever made the schedule said – “hey, I’m gonna be nice and give the Yankees 3 wins from June 24-26th.” and they can’t take advantage
From Mark Feinsand’s blog…
“On my cab ride from the airport, the cabbie told me the Yankees should be embarrassed if they lose any games to the Pirates.”
i’m really getting pissed off right now, this is pathetic
Rasner. He is a career minor leaguer or a AAAA pitcher. They should have made a deal for a major league starter. Here comes another throw away game against a team they should beat.
I thought the Yankees were playing the Pirates not the Royals…
Rasner man-come on
Rasner. Strike Zone. NOW.
Funny how that works. You completely throw away an inning in which you should score 1, 2, or even more runs, and the other team immediately puts up another insurance run. Gorzellany is TERRIBLE. TERRIBLE. Yet we are handing him free outs with stupid AB’s all around when he can’t even throw a strike! This is disgraceful.
Games like tonight are the ones you look back on when you’re sitting at home in October. Last place Reds, 2nd to last place Pittsburgh, and they look like they’re heading to 1-3 against them. If they won 3/4 of those like they should have, they would be knocking on Boston and Tampa’s door step. Instead, they are going nowhere, as they have been all year it seems.
Angel, don’t make me post the straw man link again!
Rasner is terrible.
If Rasner holds them here, there is no way that the Pirate’s pitcher can continue to walk so many Yankee batters without getting burned
DFox, appreciate the optimism, but this is the Yankee offense that since the series with the Padres has reverted back to its early season performance.
Don’t sell them short, they can wrack up 8 walks tonight and still not score a run.
This game is getting close to my top 3 worst Yankee games of the year highlight reel
rasner is a AAAA career minor leager. This is hid fifth bad outing out of 8. They should have made a deal and gotten a major league starter. Here is another throw away game against a team they should handle
1 more Rasner
“Jeter needs to be replaced. Maybe put him at 2b and find someone who can play SS.”
Jeter has the second highest relative zone rating for any SS in the AL.
He’s been a good defensive shortstop this year. Much better than last year.
His hitting is off but that’s not going to change by moving his position, especially when Cano is already one of the best defensive second baseman in the game.
jeezus this team is playing horrible
This game is still extremely winnable, but the Yankees HAVE to stop letting Gorzelanny off the hook.
rasner is a AAAA career minor leager. This is hid fifth bad outing out of 8. They should have made a deal and gotten a major league starter. Here is another throw away game against a team they should handle. This happens way too many times. Why is Jeter swinging at a 3-1 pitch to a pitcher who cant find the plate
semi off topic:
Why did Sanchez come out after only 2 outs?? Was he scheduled to only go like 20 pitches or did he get hurt or something??
I’m really excited for the Rasner to Hawkins to Ohlendorf combo this game is going to have.
OK Whiff, time will tell. I say if they keep this same approach tonight, draw the walks, they’ll win the game. If they start swinging at a lot of first pitches then I’m not sure, but if they keep this approach I genuinely think they’ll win. Whether the offense is awful or not, if you walk two guys an inning, you’re still facing major league hitters and eventually one of them is going to get a hit, at least that’s how I look at it. It will be interesting to see.
At least these Pittsburgh commentators are enjoyable. They’re sitting watching a strike zone graphic, and they have nothing to make conversation about. It’s quite sad and amusing at the same time.
when they decide to show up and play which is obviously not the case tonight
The Pirates pitcher, who I do not wish to spell the name of, is a poor pitcher at best.
We will score 7-8 or chase him from the game. Whichever comes first.
Don’t start complaining because Rasner allowed 3 runs.
It’s ok. Breathe. We’re the Yankees. Less double plays and we’ve got this game won by a lot.
holy…
Check this out. Toronto…yes, the Toronto that can’t hit a dang lick…is beating the Reds right now 11-1
In the 2nd inning.
Meanwhile our offense is making me really, really upset right now. This guy should NOT be one hitting us.
If you are saying Jeter and Cano are some of the best defensive players at their positions, then I just cant listen to you anymore.
I sure would be great if Jeter and Abreu would actually produce some runs
cut the crap and get to work bats
uhh, yeah, thats exactly what they need to not do.
Enjoyable? I have visions of nails on a chalkboard listening to them, lol.
rbizzler-
all kidding aside that’s very cool.
the irony is you guys would probably kill livan.
his slowness wouldn’t fool you like it does mlb hitters.
pitchers like hernandez make mlb hitters use their quick bats against themselves.
Alex with his best Cano immitation
….
I think this offense hates me.
Yankees have 1 hit…Pirates have 5 with 3 runs.
Giambi’s last out was the hardest hit ball.
This Gorzelanny is a stud. Yanks should look at him.
I think this game makes all the farm system devotees open their eyes and realize we need a front line starting pitcher.
That CC guy is on the market after all.
bad luck on top of bad baseball
Holy crap- they knocked Bronson “The pitcher the Yankees desperately need to get according to Mike Francessa” Arroyo out already? wow
why are they swinging?
CB – sad to say but the current mix is not really friendly to reality or facts.
Just to pick up on an earlier comment – do you have any sense of when Theo took over from Lucchino and emphasized the draft and how did that fit in with Theo’s “retirement”.
I thought that the whole Theo thing was a power play between Theo and Larry L for John Henry’s blessing. Larry seems like more of a gut instinct guy and Theo seems like the pure Bill James disciple.
this whole team is asleep
First pitch swinging against this guy…wow….I don’t feel like we’re overreacting, to anyone that says we are. When a team, after a day off, and a pitching performance like Petitte’s, you’d NEED to show up and hammer this team. For them to come in, and play like this….it doesn’t even seem like they want to be there. Frankly, for as much money as these guys make, they better do something about this. This, to me, falls on Girardi’s head… at least Posada shows up. Every time.
Two out base hit tease?
Oh come on, stop with the BS. I’m so sick of hearing “We’r ethe Yankees, we’ll win this game no matter what because we’re the Yankees!” Well guess what, unless they play the game well, they are going to lose. The guy can’t throw a strike and you have half the guys hacking away at bad pitches and hitting into big rally killing DPs while the other team continues to tack on runs.
How many times do we see this garbage? The team falls behind by more than a run or two and all of a sudden they forget where the strike zone is and swing at everything. The problem is that they aren’t patient, that’s why they never score. They hack away at bad pitches in hitter’s counts and refuse to draw walks and don’t take pitches. He could throw 100 pitches in 5 and this team still wouldn’t be patient enough to make him pay because they’d swing at every 3-1 pitch and ground out.
SA: Look at the score! It’s 11-1 in the bottom of the third!
If this Yankee game is too painful
ABC is showing an American version of the Spike classic MXC challange
Don’t get eliminated
“the irony is you guys would probably kill livan.
his slowness wouldn’t fool you like it does mlb hitters.”
more Livan trivia: he got totally shelled the one season he pitched in the Galapogos Winter League.
This team hasn’t shown up since Volquez dominated them. Losing to last place teams in the NL Central is a joke.
Holy crap- they knocked Bronson “The pitcher the Yankees desperately need to get according to Mike Francessaâ€
Francessa needs to lay off the twinkies, the yellow dye and cream filling are clouding his brain. Such a tool, even moreso than his girlfriend Mad Dog
Robbie Cano 2 for 2? Crazy.
Hey look! A run!
FINALLY!!!!!!!
A hit with RISP feels good
That cannot be the regular “V”.
11-1? Just crazy
Nice Robbie!
can’t believe they pitched to Robbie with JC coming up!
bizarre.
Maybe we just aren’t that good this year. You know it happens.
Angel-I don’t think it is either
TK, I agree with you on this. If Cashman had half the baseball sense of Theo, the Yanks would be dominating. Well, maybe not all Cashman’s fault, he does have excellent advisors in Tampa who have helped him with this team.
Congrats Justin, I hope he gets hot and pushes for playing time.
Now, this is where I miss the AL.
Rasner needs to channel Felix here
Bronson Arroyo or Ponson or Rasner?
Are you kidding? Who wouldn’t take Arroyo?
2,999 to go!!
Weird. The AAA guy knows how to work a count and get a hit. Jeter and the boys should take notice.
Congrats to Christian on 1st career hit!
Now can Rasner draw another walk here? PLEASE?!
HR Rasner..come on. Channel your inner King Felix
TOR already has 14 hits.
Has any of us ever figured out the cause of Francesa’s infatuation with Arroyo?
….
Darrel Rasner is apparently our best hitter today.
The walk machine, Darrell Rasner. All this with two outs.
“If Cashman had half the baseball sense of Theo, the Yanks would be dominating.”
13 straight playoffs isn’t dominating?
“Was that an off speed pitch?”
Good question sir, maybe watch the game.
see if you watch rasner’s at bats you don’t have to swing
Must be the air tonight. Mets are getting thumped by the powerful Mariners. Toronto is acting like they are a real baseball team. The Angels who score less than the Yankees are thumping.
Does Rasner now have more walks than Cano this year
cmon Melky!!
he walked the pitcher, not once, but twice. Come on, they have to get some runs for this!!
Wow, he walked the pitcher twice. It is unreal that we haven’t destroyed this guy.
….
I would have laughed so hard if that wwas fair.
of course it’s foul
I will say, no joke, that if a Yankee pitcher grinned like this tomato can just did after a walk like that, we’d all be going crazy on this board.
Rasner 0 for 0, 2BB
Jeter, Abreu, A-Rod, Giambi 0 for 7, 1 BB
ok I admit it, I jumped out of my seat when Melky almost hit the grand salami there.
“Hook!”
ach, Melky, not cool. Though I do give you credit for trying.
Sterling is going to make me grow grey early with his prematurity.
” he got totally shelled the one season he pitched in the Galapogos Winter League.”
true, but the experience made him the pitcher he is today. when he gets in a jam he just reaches down to his inner tortoise.
Jerry Manuel putting on a show at Shea-Just got ejected from the game
Whiff (Cano’s bat) -
Just to be clear – Cashman said that the Sawx had a 3 year head start on building the farm system. Cashman only got control of the draft/trades in the last few years.
I am a huge Cashman supporter despite the hiccups.
The Tampa gremlins meddled too much with RJ, Sheff (we could hav e had Vlady), and gazillions others.
damn that sucks.
without a doubt Nick
Wow.. the RISP curse is back on the Yankees. That is 5 already left is scoring position.
Do you think they Yankees understand that runs only count if you touch home plate?
Silver lining: Jeter won’t GIDP next inning, for sure, and this guy is at 76 pitches.
“Jerry Manuel putting on a show at Shea-Just got ejected from the game”
Wow, you know the Yankees suck anytime people are watching the Mets game instead.
It’s hard to believe with all of the walks the Pittsburgh pitcher has given up including 2 walks to Rasner and the Yanks still only have 1 run.
Even though they scored that was another pitiful inning. They had bases loaded 2 outs, he just walked the freaking pitcher, and Melky swings at the first pitch. Granted, he almost hit it out, but then he didn’t and it strike 1, then strike 2 on a questionable pitch, and he hacks at ball 2 to ground out. They were lucky to even score 1 run with Posada running, and another blown opportunity.
5 walks. 4 hits. 1 run. PATHETIC.
Oh no….
Can’t understand why Giradi stick to Melky so much…???
Damon is so much better than Melky!
There’s no crying in baseball.
this is one of the 5 or 6 games so far this yr. that the Ynaks are giving or gave away.
this pitcher cannot throw a strike but since we are such a clutch team and 1/2 asleep they cannot take advantage of it….
maybe DP(Jeter) will swing at the first pitch next inning?? Maybe he can ground it to short for a change!!!!!!
It’s time for Melky to go.
“Damon is so much better than Melky!”
Offensively. Defensively, not so much.
lol Laura-this game is a bit painful to watch and I do admit to doing some flipping.
Gorzelanny, 76 pitches – 33 Strikes.
TK… agreed that they had a 3 yr head start and the biggest force against Cashman were the brilliant baseball minds in Tampa, but he is still a little slow to the take and needs to get a few more scouts who understand talent – not in the traditional Billy “I have your baby in my stomach” Connors.
“Sterling is going to make me grow grey early with his prematurity.”
You mean –
IT IS HIGH, IT IS FAR, IT IS . . . . . . . FOUL
I 2nd that emotion
“Jerry Manuel putting on a show at Shea-Just got ejected from the gameâ€
The Mets are loosing 5-0 to Seattle. He’s probably trying to motivate his team.
“It’s time for Melky to go.”
Go where? And who is taking his spot in CF? Damon, who can barely throw the ball to 2B?
Melky missed a GS by like an inch.
I think it’s like the curse of 1960 or something.
i can see the future
“but he is still a little slow to the take and needs to get a few more scouts who understand talent – not in the traditional Billy “I have your baby in my stomach†Connors.”
LOL
git in mah belly!
come on Rasner. Please be good here
“Can’t understand why Giradi stick to Melky so much…???
Damon is so much better than Melky!”
Damon’s hurt, moron.
It was foul. Still means the Melk Man doesn’t deliver.
lol, hysterical and incoherent. Bonus.
I think they’re going to get runs.
here we go i am stranded again… somebody forget to call the yankee bats and remind them about the game
yeah blame it on the guy making $600k… smart move brain surgeon.. hell with Jeter or Abreu they only make $16 mill +… Jeter almost hit it out of the infield……
CLASSIC…
“lol Laura-this game is a bit painful to watch and I do admit to doing some flipping.”
I totally understand. I want to turn away from this game as well. We should be dismantling teams like the Reds and PIT. Very disappointing.
What the hell happened to the audio on MLB.tv?
I think it’s after midnight in the Rasner fairy tale, unfortunately. I guess Aceves could fit in this rotation even if Giese continues to dominate.
Yes.
G-d hates me.
Here’s advice for Jerry Manuel:
“Your team isn’t the Yankees, your team is a bunch of overpaid and oversellous players there not going to play hard.”
ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!
this sucks
Okay, this is officially a God awful Rasner start. He will not be channeling Aaron Small tonight.
And now the broadcast for the pirates broadcast has completely died. What the hell are their production guys doing now?
Not for anything, but Rasner’s honeymoon is over. I can’t see him remaining one of the starting pitchers for the rest of the season. He really isn’t very good. Maybe the Mets would like him.
this is unbelievable, its the pirates for god’s sake
I think the yankees and mets are in competition tonight to see who can play the WORSE game.
rasner back to his crappy self – take him out already
What the hell happened to the audio on MLB.tv?
all the hits from the Pirates are jacking up the airwaves.
when your pitcher is avg. the offense needs to show up..
thanks; captain, abreu, arod and the other millionaires..
Gorzelanny cannot throw a strike and has allowed 9 baserunners but we have 1 run..
blame it on Rasner he makes $600k hell with Jeter at $19,000,000 per yr..
Rasner has not been pitching well in his last few starts. 5 runs to Pittsburgh and we’re only in the 4th inning.
How can anyone blame Rasner? They have 9 baserunners and 1 run. What do you expect a pitcher to do when he gets no run support and every pitch could mean the game (like that one probably just did)?
The bad offense puts pressure on the pitchers which blows up their numbers. It’s very obvious. When you score runs, you win. When you don’t, everything else falls apart around you. Only way bad teams can beat you is if you don’t score runs. 1 run through 4 gave Pittsburgh a chance to beat us up.
Step on their throats early, and you win easily. Let them fester around, and you might as well have not showed up. This team can’t beat bad NL teams, they don’t deserve the playoffs whether they had Wang healthy or not. It’s all the offense.
okay, this reeeaaaaallllly blows.
Still winnable though.
Yanks will win this game 9-7
So…Pavano should be ready soon huh..
Let’s see a show of hands. How many people truly believe the Yankees will score no more than 3 runs total all game.
Muncha:
Was just thinking the same thing. He will most likely be traded, cant see him being sent down after all this time up.
Win 7 in a row, possibly lose 3 of 4 to the pathetic Reds and Pirates, both of which we were suppposed to crush.
Come on fellas, pick it up!!!!
At least he struck the pitcher out.
Still talking on mine, wander. Must be your connection or something?
Well we got 9 starts out of Rasner, and we’ll need him for next week, but after that I think it’s time to try a rook, either Aceves, Horne or McCutchen. Giese is ahead of Rasner right now in my book.
Rasner is not pitching well, but this should not be a 5-1 game right now.
We should be all over this pitcher and it’s really frustrating me that we’ve let him off the hook EVERY inning.
genius moves by cashman. bring up scrubs like christian but keep gardner in the minors. you’re a smart one, cashman…..NOT.
Hahahaha….this is sad. Unbelievably sad. These are the types of games that demand a sit-down meeting with the proverbial “Are we the New York Yankees or the Staten Island Yankees?” question. If you dont beat the teams you are supposed to, then what chance does this team have a beating anyone half-way decent? Rasner looks like Mussina, last year. I’m sick to my stomach over this “team”.
So there pitcher has walked 5 Yankees. Loaded the bases… Walked the first two hitter of an inning and there is 1 lousy run.
Our pitcher has give up 5 runs, 5 ER’s.
Ouch. Have to say this is like watching the WNBA school the NBA.
let’s nickname the Yanks the sleepwalkers…
Everyone saying “it’s just the Pirates” isnt paying that much attention. The Pirates are 5th in all of baseball in runs.
This game is still not done.
jeezus christ – this team is sucking arse right now
I wonder why people are so surpised Rasner doig bad.This is what Giese and Ponson will be like in 2 weeks.Rasner is a spot stater and lomg reliever.The Yankees are tring to get something out of these guys but they can’t give you much.
Rasner is what he is.A mediocre pitcher who is good for a month.This is why the Yankees need a real pitcher.Just wait Kei Igawa will be next.
Alright, this game isn’t over..yet. Can the Yankee offense at least start chipping away? Come on bats! You can do this
I have seen the commercial a thousand times and Jeter has still not convinced me that I’ll love the Vista roof.
i wana scream right now….. pitsburg?!?!?!? we are lossing to pitsburg? come on now. pistsburg? this is rediculous….we have left 10 ob. its only the 5
wtf is going on here? you can’t ask for a worse pitching performance from your opponent, and they’ve scraped across 1 run in 4 innings on 4 hits and 5 walks? meanwhile the Pirates are scoring seemingly at will. i really thought the Yanks turned a corner with the 7 game streak, but they promptly return to playing horrible baseball against garbage teams like Cincy and Pitt. ugh. just ugh.
I don’t put all of the blame on Rasner. There is too much pressure on the pitching when you know that you can’t give up any runs. $205mil later and this team can’t benefit from 5 walks. It’s unreal.
good one, jeff. try a rookie like mccutchen who has 5+ era in the minors. horne who just got back from injury. aceves who just got called up to AAA. do you have a brain? if the yankees do they will trade for sabathia and stop with these experiments (rasner, kasner, frasnier, etc. theyre all the same- THEY SUCK!)
“pitsburg?!?!?!? we are lossing to pitsburg? ”
pitsburg?!
Jeter and Bobby are not impressing me right now.
1-0 pitch and Jeter can’t even hit it harder than a pop out to center. He single handedly has lost us this game at the plate pretty much with his 2-0 and 3-1 swinging and there he goes again with a horrible AB. Wonder when it’s time to cut the crap and start benching these millionaires who are playing like garbage up there?
Actually, if you take PIT’s record and subtract their games against the Cubs (who crush them), PIT is an above .500 team. If they could get away from playing the Cubs, they’d be doing okay.
1-0 count, swing at the next pitch. Makes sense.
i understand jeter is a free-swinger, but please…he’s given away each of his at-bats
giving up 5 runs doesn’t help tho…
…and another notable abreu at-bat
Look at JC’s numbers in the minors. They are very close to Gardner’s. Neither one is an elite prospect.
Pete – the Yanks are having trouble scoring runs PERIOD.
Nice, Singleton… “a veteran player… who’s been around for a while…”
The Yanks have played an awful game..
The hitters almost look bored. Very strange.
tom gorzelanny=oliver perez
Pittsburgh isn’t as much of a “gimme easy win” team that people seem to think they are.
Wow, our bats have turned to ice.
Does anyone realize it’s been over 40 innings since we’ve had a home run?
I know this game isn’t over yet, but we look utterly lifeless tonight.
…(she says as they go down 1-2-3)
That went way too fast
These Pittsburgh announcers however sound completely little league.
How about sitting Jeter after this game Girardi.. or how about giving a blow to Cano, isnt that the reason you guys brought up a-gon?
Keep in mind that Rasner is 27 and is about to reach his 2007 innings pitched total. He is really nothing more than a AAAA starter. These are the sort of starts to expect from him, 5 runs in 6 or 5 runs in 5.
He throws too many strikes without good enough stuff to fool hitters. The hot streak is over. Time to give someone else a chance.
jeter can’t seem to hit. Abreu can’t see the ball, and Arod can’t seem to hit it NOT at someone. so much for the devastating lineup…
Well, when your 2 and 3 hitters, who are making tons of money are .276 and .272, and dont walk, hit into DP’s, you aren’t going to win many games.
For all this talk of leadership, Jeter needs to show some.
I want to hear the players after the game talk about how the PIT pitcher was dealin’. It will be interesting to see if they can say it with a straight face.
The yanks struggle against soft tossing lefties and hard throwing right handers
I’ll tell you what, AL East better watch out for that Heart of the Yankee line up. Between Jeter, Abreu, ARod, Giambi, someone is going to get lit up.
Haha. Ok, A-rod’s “God damn” pretty much sums up this game. I think I’m done tonight, hope everyone enjoys the rest of the show.
is jeter taking advice from cano?
was the starting pitcher from pitsburg a stand in double for the guy from the gonies?
These Pittsburgh announcers however sound completely little league.
Only fitting since that is how the Yankees look. Get what you pay for.
Pittsburgh is in 2nd to last place. Their pitcher has given up 9 baserunners, and we have 1 run. The guy doesn’t have a 6.50 ERA for no reason. Who cares if Rasner gives up 5 or 50 runs? We would lose the game either way unless we scored some runs. 1 run = loss. No matter who’s pitching, who you’re playing, and especially when the guy who’s pitching against you has given up 9 baserunners!
this game is the biggest joke in the history of games
jeter sucks.
“The yanks struggle against soft tossing lefties and hard throwing right handers”
i think what you meant to say is “the yanks struggle against pitchers”
i agree whiff i switched to cbs radio
How about moving Pavano into the bullpen?
Did Pittsburg spike the Yankees’ gatorade or something? This team is asleep
classic by Feinsand – “obviously their scouting report was to pitch around Rasner”
good work.
This game gets worse every second I keep watching.
Rasner hasn’t been the same since that 110 pitch effort.
the balls seem to be flying out of the park today
is jeff weaver pitching?
We need to get one more out from Rasner — you know, so that he’ll be eligible for the win.
sigh
This is a joke now
6-1 this is embarassing
We didnt come to play tonight. When are going to see Girardi take out this fool. How about ripping this team after the game Girardi.. I think that needs to happen
it also looks like rasner’s magic has worn off
Like I said.
Yanks 1 through 5 have no hits. Melky has the hardest hit.
So from 1-5 there is more money than the entire Pirates team. 5-1 Pirates with their budding Ace walking 5 giving up 4 hits.
Say hello to last place again. I think all the starters need to fined 100,000 each. Girardi should be suspended for 3 games for failing to act like a manager. Kevin long should be sent to AA.
I’m turning the TV off now. Have fun everyone!
this is upsetting
At Least Pettitte can beat the crappy NL teams.
And Bronson Arroyo just gave up ten runs in 1 inning to the Jays.So strach him out of pitchers we need.
I’d say Rasner has to come out now except he’s the most patient hitter in the lineup.
jesus…..
“The yanks struggle against soft tossing lefties and hard throwing right handers.”
And against pitchers with an era above 5. And rookies. And against sorry teams. And,and,and. I can live with this offense struggling a game or two. But its been a week now. Its not like we’re facing Pedro of old every day now.
Abreu is lost. Jeter is not patient and lunging. Arod is getting under balls. Cano is Dr. Jekyl Mr. Hyde. Melky smells the pink slip coming and teases us for a day. I can go on but theres no need to.
still a lot of game left??? anyone?
This game is an embarrassment.
Where the heck is the bullpen? And no, I can’t believe I’m asking about this.
Anyone who mentions Carl Pavano as even a remote possibility is a lunatic (no offense). This is absolutely a disgusting display of “baseball”. Hands-down, THIS might be the worst game they have played ALL year. Despite getting their rear-ends handed to them a number of times, this is just utterly despicable, in every respect.
I thought that 12-2 loss to BAL was rock bottom. I think we are there again.
No defense. No hitting. No pitching. That’s a loss against any team.
We’ve missed so many routine plays, Posada can’t block pitches or even catch ones right at his glove, and this team can’t score more than 1 run with 9 baserunners.
This team is a pathetic joke. Win 7 in a row against pathetic teams and then they’re about to go 1-3 in their next 4. Even though that’s 8-3, it’s always two steps forward, two steps back with this team. That’s what a .500 team is. Win 7, lose 5/8 or something like that. Looks like we really were nothing more than a tease unless they wake up and start playing like they care.
wow
this is like slow Chinese water torture
That’s it. I cant’ watch any longer. Time to go to DVR and watch some shows I have been meaning to catch up on.
anyone else waiting for the yankees to just go “just kidding!!” and rattle off a 13 run innings?
1 more little out Rasner
yeah… i think i’m going to stop watching now
Posada sucks on D it is not debateable..
nice nice effort by the bronx bombers..
great great effort.. all you morons complain about Melky.. How can Derek start the all star game sin’t he embarrased??
he is one o the worst SS this yr. to go along with possibythe worst offensive 2B ytd. in baseball.
I take that back Freddie Bynum was worse then king Derek…..
And of course, Minky wants to make us pay for cutting him.
yeah, it’s really not rasner’s fault. i mean it’s only 7 ER…
Is the Sunday match up supposed to be Rasner vs. Ollie Perez? What a game that will be!
good to see im not the only one ill met u guys at the bar after this one
Anyone, remember what happened to that ship that hit the iceberg.
if you’re not going to use Hawkins in a 7-1 game then there’s no reason to have him on the roster
Rasner is what he is. A minor league pitcher.
Only so long can one of those last pitching in the majors and in the AL East.
Yes, because that response really made sense, Whiff.
“Posada sucks on D it is not debateable..”
That’s beyond debatable – i’ll argue that Posada is one of, if not the best catcher in baseball
BUELLER, BUELLER, ANYONE, ANYONE
Whats even more frustrating is Boston doesnt seem to want stay in first place. They are giving us plenty of opportunity to get passed them. They are losing again today.
stuart:
Do us and yourself a favor and jump off a cliff.
Take the Sox jersey with you.
Um Pete, they have 15 games in the next 14 days, no matter how much the pitcher sucks they have to get some length out of him.
I’m trying not to throw in the towel on this season, but it’s games like these that make you doubt that this team has a chance.
“anyone else waiting for the yankees to just go “just kidding!!†and rattle off a 13 run innings?”
me me me!
Hell, I would be thrilled just to see them score another run.
This is freakin Tom Gorzelanny Yankees! Good gawd!
Can I get some credit please? I have been killing Jeter all year and now its all the rage
Losing to the Pirates and Reds.
That’s what champions do.
Girardi’s (often unfounded) faith in his starters is puzzling.
It is now official. Girardi cannot handle managing the Yankees. He got lucky with the Marlins in his one year.
His pitching decisions are horrible, in game decisions make Torre look like an renegade, and overall, he has NO, NONE, ZERO, ZIP control of this team.
Willie is available.
Oh, great. A baserunner we can strand.
cashman is to blame for the loss. nice sticking with your water guns, cashman- rasner, christian, ohlendork, and constantly promoting crap like traber.
all this while gardner rots in the minors. MELKY! wow a .250 hitter with no power! sign me up for more!
Step one: get this Grudzeplapefdjfdjic clown out of this game and get into their bullpen.
yeah offensively Jorge is great defensive he sucks….
Molina defensively is better then Jorge…..
Sure. If you really want “credit” for that, shapeshifter.
the ‘stache will haunt this pitcher’s dreams for that!
We’re gunna score 4 this inning.
We need to PH for Rasner. Having a pitcher there ruins everything.
…Is Canò seriously 3-3?
Can they get Giambi home? I’m gonna vote no and hope I am wrong
Cashman is trying to catch lightning in a bottle with some of these pitchers. He has not caught it yet. The book is out on Rasner…..Ponson will be the same.
It’s so ironic that the only Yankee hitter that’s gone to the plate with a really good approach tonight is Cano.
“No defense. No hitting. No pitching. That’s a loss against any team.
We’ve missed so many routine plays, Posada can’t block pitches or even catch ones right at his glove, and this team can’t score more than 1 run with 9 baserunners.
This team is a pathetic joke. Win 7 in a row against pathetic teams and then they’re about to go 1-3 in their next 4. Even though that’s 8-3, it’s always two steps forward, two steps back with this team. That’s what a .500 team is. Win 7, lose 5/8 or something like that. Looks like we really were nothing more than a tease unless they wake up and start playing like they care.”
Ah, Matt whining like a baby. The sky is up, the sun rises in the east, etc., etc.
This team is ‘pathetic’ and they ‘don’t care’. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Go away.
Oh, that’s just great. Cano gets hot and everyone else gets cold.
cano looks good thou
If there’s any pitcher to come back on it’s Mr. Walk Machine here.
Justin Christian is quickly becoming my favorite player.
“It’s so ironic that the only Yankee hitter that’s gone to the plate with a really good approach tonight is Cano.”
Are you blaming Posada for hitting the ball on the screws?
JUSTIN THANK YOU !
Yes, because that response really made sense, Whiff.
Que?
It’s not over yet, but the cabby was right. Not even one game.
This team starts Rasner and Giese 2 times out of 5. There is no way we are making 90 wins.
I hope you people are really happy with Hughes and Kennedy and Melky!
“Posada sucks on D it is not debateable..
nice nice effort by the bronx bombers..
great great effort.. all you morons complain about Melky.. How can Derek start the all star game sin’t he embarrased??
he is one o the worst SS this yr. to go along with possibythe worst offensive 2B ytd. in baseball.
I take that back Freddie Bynum was worse then king Derek…..”
Stuart compared me to Kasey the other day in terms of negativity. What a laugher.
See you take you time with Cano because you know he has a .400 month coming.
But if the Yankees think they can get a good year of Giese and Rasner thats funny.
Yeah Christian!
7-3 yanks are such a tease
Nice Justin!!
So, they decided to play in the 6th inning, and took a nap for the 1st 5?
I was wrong! Thank goodness!
Can they get Justin home? I don’t think so..
oh yea, how could i forget cashman’s biggest move of the season- signing sidney ponson! you’re so smart, cashman! why don’t you grace the dodgers with your genius! you can join that manager with dementia (torre).
Hey look! some run thingies! What do we do with these?
That is a great thing to see from a rookie in his first ML game ever – as a Yankee.
Even if we lose, there’s always something good to take away from it.
Don’t write Cabo off!
To all the Quitters:
When we win this game please stop posting here for the rest of the year.
You know who you are.
Let’s not fool ourselves. Now only 4 runs out doesn’t mean the Yankees are back in the game. I won’t believe they are back in this until they are only 1 away
“cashman is to blame for the loss. nice sticking with your water guns, cashman- rasner, christian, ohlendork, and constantly promoting crap like traber.
all this while gardner rots in the minors. MELKY! wow a .250 hitter with no power! sign me up for more!”
Yeah, cause, uh, that Christian callup totally ain’t working.
Surprised to see Molina hitting here rather than Betemit or Moeller, wouldnt they have both seen this pitcher in the NL before?
“Hey look! some run thingies! What do we do with these?”
Hopefully, not give them back!
Heh, shudda left Rasner in there to walk.
Everyone is so quick to jump on Jeter who comes in with a 10 game hitting streak. jeez. no leeway for the captain. i know he’s had a bad game but come on.
with that said, perhaps Cano and Christian should give Jeter and Abreu a few tips on hitting Gorzelanny
be sure to watch kim jones’ interview with Christian tonight; they have been dating for the past 5 months
We need this run Melkster
Who should we thank for this great bench?
So Rasner would fall to 4-5 or 4-6 or something if we lose? Didn’t Andy Pettitte have that record not too long ago?
THE LEAGUE HAS FIGURED RASNER OUT!!!
*sigh*
Come on, Melky!! Deliver!!!
Maybe Girardi wanted a right handed batter for the pinch hitter now?? Thus why no Damon and Matsui
“This team starts Rasner and Giese 2 times out of 5. There is no way we are making 90 wins.
I hope you people are really happy with Hughes and Kennedy and Melky!”
Yeah, we’d totally prefer Mr. “I give up grand slams to American League Pitchers” LOL!!!!
Okay. Four runs is not where we want to be, but not undoable.
The most frustrating offense to watch, amazing it took a player from Scranton to get a hit w/ RISP, while Jetes over here continued to GIDP and swing at crap, and the rest of the offense took a nap… AND MELKY F’N CABRERA I’m starting to get frustrated w/ him !
However the Mariners beating on the Mets 9-0 is giving me secret pleasure
Cue the “replace Melky w/Gardner” posts.
Wow…no 2-out hit from Melky. Surprise surprise.
nice one someone else- win or loss is the only result that matters. oh, what do you know they’re losing. and uh, you’re an idiot and, uh, moron.
Boston is loosing 4-1 to Arizona. It would be nice if the Yanks could come back and win and maybe pick up some ground.
“Who should we thank for this great bench?”
“Notes: Justin Christian was called up today and is starting in left. Johnny Damon (sore foot) and Hideki Matsui (knee)”
Do you people know how to feed or clothe yourselves?
Stuart – while I agree that Molina is a better defensive catcher the Posada, saying that Posada is awful at defense is beyond ridiculous. He handles pitchers better then ANYONE – he worked with about 50 different guys last year it seems, and he controlled the staff better then anyone else in baseball could have – and don’t you dare mention tek.
He blocks just about everything thrown in the dirt – the pitchers trust him to throw the ball in the dirt with a man on third base. He is incredible at receiving the ball and framing pitches, which really helps out the pitchers, he does buy a couple of calls every game. And oh yeah – he throws out a real good percentage of runners. Notice how a lot of teams hit and run against the Yankees – it’s because they know Posada has quick feet, a real quick release, and a very strong throwing arm. Obviously they’ll test him a little bit more now with the injury, but pre-injury they would hit and run all the time
“nice one someone else- win or loss is the only result that matters. oh, what do you know they’re losing. and uh, you’re an idiot and, uh, moron.”
Wow, how intelligent.
will be interesting to see what happens if gardner comes uo and does well; he dated kim jones prior to christian and my sources tell me the breakup wasnt pretty. christian and gardner DO NOT get along
Melky absolutely is not a leadoff hitter, that ship has sailed, his ABs are ridiculously poor right now.
I’m begging you Hawkins-please make this a 1-2-3 inning
“Don’t write Cabo off!”
I say Pete needs to spell his name this way from now on. Giambi has the stache. Cano has Cabo.
Gayle – I’m with you on that one. The Mets are on the verge of loosing 2 in a row to Seattle. I just hope they stay this flat through the weekend!
“How about moving Pavano into the bullpen?”
He’ll just hurt himself out there.
Alex has just missed two homeruns this game. He’s been right on the pitches, but just a tiny bit under them. He popped out to deepish left. Popped out.
If he is a little less under them, they both go out.
We’re a few swings away from a tie or lead.
great post, someone else!
WTF is the mop up king doing in this game it’s not a 8 run game.
no wah shapeshifter…. have they?
So now, ONLY the pitcher for the Pirates does not have a hit.
Fantastic.
Eh. Guess Girardi doesn’t believe in the come back thing.
Well there goes that plan
what did i tell you? melky sucks! he needs to grow some balls and request a demotion. what a pathetic player he is. i actually wish he starts juicing for his own good.
thats what I am told…
Wow, hawkins is really not good.
There’s nothing like a Hawkins appearance down 4 runs to a bad NL team to bring out the best in the comments section!
mets are now down 10-0 sad.
Farnsworthy=Troll
hawkins is in – so i guess that means girardi has given up on winning this game… idiot.
yanks should trade cano for reyes
“I’m begging you Hawkins-please make this a 1-2-3 inning”
Ill be happy with bases loaded,no runs.
A Rod with the easy dp. By the way, the Yankees will win 2 of 3 this series. Joba tomorrow is a win and either Moose wins Thursday or the Yankees come back today.
oh god, it’s this loooooser again. another genius move by cashman. passing on linebrink (1.55 ERA) for this clown. but hey, can’t be spending all the money on players! the GM has to pocket some, too!
The reason why we jump on DJ, who has a 10-game hit-streak, is because I don’t remember those hits being to meaningful (other than the one against the Astros…hit me a single, sure…can you actually get an extra-base hit, at all?
The one thing that Gardner might bring to this team…LIFE. He’s an injection of adrenaline that this team sorely needs, especially with the adrenaline of Cabrera/Cano gone, as well as Shelley Duncan being a ShaneSpencer/KevinMaas type.
…And with that DP I had such high hopes…
1 more out Hawkins. Please
i bet u guys thought he was gona have a 123 inning lolol they are such a tease… another game ill have blue balls after
Just read the story about Jetes, Giambino and the ‘stache – priceless. Would love to know the new nickname, but this blog can’t afford to lose you, Pete lol.
4 down is better than down 7 runs, and needing 8.
“another genius move by cashman. passing on linebrink (1.55 ERA) for this clown. ”
Great idea, let’s commit to Linebrink for 4 years instead of another equally unremarkable pitcher for 1 yr.
I think that we should pitch Hawkins every time we are down 4 to a NL team – we’ve found his niche!
I hate Mr.Clean, seriously I can’t stand him. Now we have to pray for this hot and cold offense to not get a runner to 2B everywhere else they might have a better chance of driving them in.
Wow, you mean changing managers hasn’t changed the Mets’ fortunes? I’m so shocked!
Of course, the clown that pitched for the Mets was Perez. Apparently, he can only beat the Yankees.
Ok, the $60 million trio is coming up. Can they get a hit, get on base, score a run, make the pitcher throw more than 7 pitches.
Back with those answers and viewer mail after this message.
just trade hawkins to an NL team for cash considerations… I think $1 ought to do it.
Could this be the league catching up to Rasner? He’s had 3 bad starts in a row now, 2 blowouts. I call San Diego bad since he went 5 IP with 5 BB’s and around 100 pitches – I’m thinking he was saved by the Padres being worse than he is.
Oy you, Bobby and Jeter. Hits. Get them.
This game is like watching tow old people _________. Fill in the blank.
Cashman’s GENIUS MOVES this year:
- Passing on Linebrink (1.55 ERA) for Latroy Hawkins
- Refusing to promote Gardner, stays with AAAA Melky
- Signing Sidney Ponson
- Man crush on Billy Traber
- Refusal to trade for Santana or Sabathia, would rather stick with Ian Kennedy
- Still no real first basemen. Constantly signing nobodies- broussard, lane, ensberg
Hey, all the money can’t go towards players, then who’s going to pay for cashman’s christmas bonus?
Is it possible for this team to score more runs this inning? Or is there a greater chance of a Hank Steinbrenner sprouting wings and flying?
Now Jeter gets a hit…I love how there is NOW an excuse for Jeter. The hit-by-pitch in the Baltimore series. Here’s a suggestion…if its so damn bad, SIT DOWN AND LET SOMEONE ELSE HIT.
Oh god the toughest thing for us getting the run in w/ RISP.
You people here should be ashamed of yourself for trashing Jeter.
June 24th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
“Cue the “replace Melky w/Gardner†posts.”
He’s a better player than Melky Cabrera. How is this a debate?
How dumb looking was that fan?
Why is signing Ponson so bad? They are paying him the minimum. No risk at all. He hasn’t even blown up a game here yet.
farnsworthy’s important posts:
If Jeter could only lead off innings and never hit w/a man on 1st, he’d be leading the league in batting.
This game is like watching tow old people _________. Fill in the blank.
put their dentures in.
Even when Jeter is stinking it up he ends up doing something well.
Leadoff double has a nice ring to it.
I’m betting this run doesn’t score.
So I was 1-2 on that.
Oy Alex and Jason. Hits. Now.
“Great idea, let’s commit to Linebrink for 4 years instead of another equally unremarkable pitcher for 1 yr.”
Linebrink has been fantastic this year.
Who’s pitching the 8th for us???
Too little too late
Sweep by Pirates?
This run is soooo not scoring.
Some idiot:
“Great idea, let’s commit to Linebrink for 4 years instead of another equally unremarkable pitcher for 1 yr.”
Yeah, “let’s” … you’re not part of the team.
How is 1.55 ERA unremarkable? Linebrink could be the set up man to Mo right now, instead we have farnsworth and who else? EDWARGO? VELOSE? OHLENDORK? L(OSS) HAWKINS? CHRIS BRITAIN?
man on second, nobody out and we can’t even move him over?
Lol Wow what an effing idiot Farnsworthy.
Thank f’n God we don’t have to face The Nationals.
the heart of the order is killing us tonight!!
that’s 2 one pitch outs from Arod tonight
“He’s a better player than Melky Cabrera. How is this a debate?”
You don’t know that. Gardner doesn’t have any time in the majors. You are judging him on his performance against minor league pitchers, who are not as good as those in the Majors.
man if we can just get jeat in…
Ok, can’t take it anymore. This offense is just putrid. Freakin $60 million waste of space.
These Fresno State hitters do a better job than Abreu, Arod, Giambi.
“CHRIS BRITAIN?”
That’s Chris United Kingdom to you, pal.
Lets just go Christen in left, Gardner in center, and Duncan in RF. Its better than watching the hacks we have there regularly.
Like I said. This run is so not scoring.
I have Directv and dont get my9. Im forced to watch the game on fox sports net pitt. Im about to kill myself these two guys keep talking about the strike tracker, its so annoying.
So don’t watch if you can’t take it. Simple solution.
If that man is on 3B or 1B we score him, but get them to 2B …. NO CHANCE
runners on .272/.343/.416
RISP .251/.334/.373
It’s easy for us to sit here and criticize the hitters. They wouldn’t be swinging at these pitches if they didn’t look good to them. They just need to have their eyes adjusted.
RISP!!! it is way too hard for a 200 million dollar offense to get hits with RISP against a 25 cent bubble gum pitching staff
another great job by the heart of the yankees… abreu and arod… a hitting tandem that can’t seem to get it out of the infield.
Let’s go D’backs
you’re our only hope
I don’t think Shelley could back into the major with a search warrant. There’s a reason why in 8-some years he has 131 at-bats in the bigs.
ok yeah – I want Marte on our team – how about Marte for Hawkins?? lol
Lets just go Christen in left, Gardner in center, and Duncan in RF.
What Duncan ..Duncan do nothing. The first 2 I get, the last guy, please he’s lucky he’s playing pro ball.
You know, right now I’m beginning to wonder if we’re going to hit a home run again, ever, this season.
Also, like I said, that run was so not scoring.
It’s nice and all that Linebrink has had a good three months, but there are still 3 and a half years left on his contract at $5MM per or so, and he has still never really sustained much long term success outside the pitchers haven of San Diego. And even there he was starting to do poorly. I’d pass on him any day of the week. Relievers have way too short a shelf life to give any of them 4 years especially with all the young arms on the farm. Look at the big picture.
2B must have some Krptonite, because everytime a Yankee gets there he stays there.
That was really really sad.
Leadoff double and we don’t score him?
Come on.
Farnsworthy is a fool. Big picture? lol
SCRANTONYANKS, I’m watching the My9 broadcast on DirecTV channel 733.
This team has just hit a new low.
Pittsburgh Pirates..That looks good on your resume.
hawkins will give up some runs for sure this inning
Leadoff double. 3-4-5 coming up. He doesn’t even MOVE off 2nd base. How pathetic is that? This team’s offense is the single most important cause of their performance this year. If it produced as it should, we’d have no problems this year, but how many games are we losing scoring 0 runs while the pitching gives up 2 or having 20 baserunners and 3 or 4 runs?
Oh forget that, I just figured out you’re being blacked out because of the proximity to Pittsburg. Doh!
jeter, abreu, arod and giambi – a combined 1-14, 1 BB, 3 SO, 9 LOB. If you include Melky (our lead off batter), they’re 1-16, 3BB, 3 SO, and 13 LOB…
that’s depressing.
I seem to remember this scenario last season, too. The Yankees had finally put some wins together, and everyone thought they were out of the woods, and they were on their way to Colorado, where they were supposed to dominate, and, well, I’m sure all of you know what happened.
This seems like, same time, next year – same scenario, different teams.
It’s like one false start, a set back, and then…..
Last year they got it going.
This team is lucky to be 4 1/2 games out. Beyond lucky.
PS…anyone want to take bets on Oliver Perez lighting up the Yankees this weekend for 8 walks, but 2 runs. He got hammered tonight again, so he will undoubtedly beat the Yanks like he did when I wasted that evening in the Bronx earlier this month.
Oh and not to forget Darell Rasner that sure was a pathetic excuse for an outing that he gave us tonight. Seriously this guy just disappeared from what he was and I don’t want to hear the 118 pitches excuse, he’s not spotting for nothing.
You see why Farnsworth being hurt is actually a bad thing?
if I know the bullpen sucks and you know the bullpen sucks, does that mean cash and giradi knows the bullpen sucks?
Is “Latrine” Hawkins a taken nickname?
So much for the optimistic view
peters 8:35 swipe at Girardi is amatuer hour.. Yeah have someone getting ready, who Hawkins??
Man peter just because girardi does not kiss you a–, no need to be unfair.
our big bats have really shown up today.. jeter finally kinda got the ball to the outfield and they leave him stranded.
overall a stellar effort by the big bad bronx boys.. teams are so scared of our big boys!!!!!!!
Marte watch him that is a real lefty pitcher, we gave him away I assume in some idiotic trade for some old retread that the fan base was probably grumbling for 10 years or so ago….
Farnsworth would not be pitching in this game anyway, they are losing, I burn Hawkins tonight, DFA him tomorrow, then call up David Robertson.
This game is just bad
By the way, Adam LaRoche was batting .217 before tonight…
he’s now 3for4. Awesome.
Latroy looks like he is auditioning for more innings….
he is over 33 so it is illegal to DFA him in Yankeeland…
Hawkins-I can’t believe I even defended him once.
What is Giambi doing.. t.v off. bye bye.. yanks stink.. need some pitching.. yet just one game.. come back tmw.. one thing i hope though is girardi strays away from the torre ways and rips this team in the meadi like ozzie does sometimes
A first baseman who’s not as low on range as Giambi easily reaches that ball. That thing was a slow roller.
like I said hawkins will give up some runs this inning. Vegas anyone?
8-3 lol i expect a better game tomorrow… goodnight all
team… in trouble… game … pretty much over
WOW. This is TERRIBLE!
I’m embarrassed to be a Yankee fan at this point in the game. If we don’t score at least 4 more runs this game, I think I might puke all over my keyboard.
just wondering… does hawkins have more than one pitch, because i’m still looking for it
Marte watch him that is a real lefty pitcher, we gave him away I assume in some idiotic trade for some old retread that the fan base was probably grumbling for 10 years or so ago….
That’s why I can’t take the fans that say trade the prospects, you see Damaso Marte now and the only thing I remember at the time is that fans were b*****n ‘ about the need for a utility bat and Marte would never be anything…fast forward to 2008 people want Marte back.
“they are losing, I burn Hawkins tonight, DFA him tomorrow”
Are you talking about burn in effigy or at the stake?
This is why his new nickname is LaTrine….I don’t get why that hasn’t stuck yet. I’m demanding that is what they call him.
2 more outs Hawkins-can you do that?
I guess we just have to remember-don’t take any team lightly. Just when ya think we are gonna kick their butts, we are the ones getting kicked in the rear
Maybe Scott Patterson can set up Latroy with a hotel room in Scranton when he gets canned:)
“You don’t know that. Gardner doesn’t have any time in the majors. You are judging him on his performance against minor league pitchers, who are not as good as those in the Majors.”
He has a .411 OBP and got on base another three times tonight. He has crazy speed. Tell me again? What offensive skills does Melky bring to the table? Foolishly sliding into head first? Cabrera doesn’t get on base, he doesn’t hit for power, he stinks.
Maybe Gardner, like Melky is nothing more than a fourth outfielder. We don’t know until we find out.
But I sure as hell would love to see him man center than Mekly. But you have to have a better reason to keep Melky other than he has a great arm.
I feel bad for those yankee fans at pnc park, what a waste of money
WTF is girardi thinking? Hawkins lightning in a bottle?? Christ – sink him already – DFA him and eat the money. He’s worthless. I guess I was right – Girardi has already given up on this game. No more game left here. move on folks.
That is finally over with.
It is too bad that the Yankees don’t realize they are as good as these announcers make them seem. Truth be told, there is just millions separating the Yankees and Pirates, not talent.
So once again, a team of scrappy baseball players beat down the multi millionaires who look like All Stars on paper.
Wasn’t there discussion earlier about small market Kool Aid.
jesus I’m praying when Christian gets his next AB it’s w/ RISP, that’s to the point I am now w/ this offense !
“This is why his new nickname is LaTrine….I don’t get why that hasn’t stuck yet. I’m demanding that is what they call him.”
Because we’re not third graders?
you’re a big IDIOT, BRANDON! YOU’RE THE BIGGEST HOMER I’VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE! You think the yankees can win by being passive? You think the dynasty was 100% yankees prospects? GO EAT SOME PASTE, DUDE!
W.e the mets officaly collapsed..
whatever you do…don’t boo Hawkins or any of the other underachievers pretending to be major leaguers.. The pc police will hunt you down/1
I think with this outing, Hawkins sealed his fate.
He will be DFAd before the Mets series.
Either Patterson or Robertson will be called up.
The worst part about playing teams like Pittsburgh, Tampa, etc. is that some of us have to listen to their announcers act like their second-teir team is playing in the world series just because their scrappy bunch of guys are beating up on Rasner and Hawkins. Stupid XM needs to also broadcast the visiting teams announcers. How about you make the playoffs at least once in the last 15 years before saying “IT’S LIKE A PLAYOFF ATMOSPHERE HERE!!!!”
Because you take this game too seriously…and frankly, with the money he’s making, thats more than a fitting nickname.
so who here will feel less like puking with me telling you the sawx are losing too?
yeah – didn’t think so.
Latroy Hawkins The Nominee for the DFA party in 2008.
This game is just about unwatchable. No offense, no pitching. Wow. Just, wow. Where the heck are the Yankees and who are these imposters that are in Yankee uniforms?
funny, i’m watching the pirates feed and i’m like why is the infield in bottom of the 7th, down 5 runs and I see mr. abraham noticed this as well. this isn’t even like a remotely strategic thing, i can’t even pretend as to why you would do that other than to um, practice defense with the infield in. i’m at a lost, what actually is girardi doing? is he this awful a manager?
Get ready for the standby quotes from Girardi and Jeter – “Gorzelanny was just better than we were tonight, you have to tip your cap to him”
I just love those quotes. They never get old.
Oh shut up Farnsy !
The sox can still pull off a win. Its unlikely the Yankees will.
I apologize, Brandon. I probably took it too far with the paste comment.
Jeter’s been too busy thinking about his girlfriend Minka Kelly. She’s been at the games and to the road games. Jeter’s in love I think that’s why he’s having a average year. The guy has given the Yankees enough. He’s got 4 rings, one of the richest guys in New York, He’s getting his own fitness centers, building a new house in Tampa. Liked by half the world. Date the hottest women and top beautiful women in the world. He’s done everything there is to do. I don’t think he’s as hungry as he he to be. Who could blame him. The dude’s the luckest guy in the world. This girl may have him whipped and he’s just not in it right now. She’s hot and they were spotted holding hands in Baltimore after the games. If he’s got the girl on the road games as well, the dude’s mind is on his woman. I ain’t mad at him. The guy has everything anyone could ever want. People should give him a break.
Jeter has the perfect life. No doubt about it. Everyone should get off his jock strap. There is no luckier dude than Jeter.
“they are losing, I burn Hawkins tonight, DFA him tomorrowâ€
Are you talking about burn in effigy or at the stake?
Stake preferably… effigy if necessary
RConn….i am waiting for those quotes too. Im a huge Girardi supporter, but I would like to see him rip some of his players a little. Now, many will ask “what does this achieve?” I will say that it puts them on notice that their salaries dont mean they have to be in the lineup.
that was a good inning we didn’t leave anyone on base
LOL good one, man. Jeter is doing terrible because he’s in love. I’m sure Abreu is in love too (with a horse) but that’s no excuse.
OK, so we got some use out of Rasner, but count my vote for him going back down the minute we have someone else ready to pitch in the Majors. ( of course, unless that person is named Sidney or Kei )….IPK, Phil Hughes, Wang, a person that we trade for….another AA or AAA “horse”…..time to thank the Razz-Man for his college try…but getting hammered by the flippin’ Pirates punches your ticket outta da “show”, Boy ! ;-(
Hawkins ruined my night.
if you want to teach a little league team how to play good fundamental baseball, make sure you don’t show them a tape of this game
DFA Hawkins has been my cry from the moment they signed him. He is a waste of a Roster spot and he needs to go….NOW !
Robertson needs to harness the control if he gets the call. I have seen him a few times and his walks are going to kill him.
Yankee Dave…i hope you are not serious. Maybe sarcasm is lost on the computer, but if you are serious in any way, shape or form, those are all reasons to get on jeter’s back. if he doesnt want to play, get him off the field. i dont buy what youve said about him, but if he needs some more fire, maybe move Arod to short.
wow – I am just stunned with this potent offense. I’m just awe inspired… /end sarcasm.
RISP: Just when they thought they were out, it pulls them back in . . .
You’d think MLB could come up with a better add than having 17 players say the phrase “MLB.TV” one after another. It wouldn’t be that bad if they didn’t play it at least twice per commercial break.
starts with the garbage starter. We need a starter not a AAAA starter. Agree Hawkins is bad. If he cant get these guysout who can he get out? Another game the yanks toss and with boston losing yet another missed opportunity
I don’t want to hear anymore excuses for Derek Jeter I don’t care if he’s in love w/ a born again hooker, swinging at s… vs a LHP who had the strike zone running away from him and add to that 2-0 not taking pitches GIDP, WTF you want me to say well Jetes it’s ok, Hell no ! he is a baseball player just like everyone else if he has issues w/ his heart/hunger for the game then step the f… off the field !
as bad as it is – Hawkins did his job, he came in and he gave the Yankees a couple of innings without burning the bullpen in a game like this
so… how about that SI article that rates Jeter as the #1 overrated player in baseball???
Glad to see that Justin has a good start in his ML debut.
Many are writing him out by saying he is 28 years old and is not a prospect. With his tools, he will be a pleasant surprise and he will stick around ML much longer than many people think. On the extreme, he may do very well and Gardner may become a trade chip for a good pitcher. Austin is on the way in a year or so and Justin may fill in capably until that time.
Without the pressure of holding a lead, or now, a game close, he better do his job and throw pitches.
Meanwhile at Shea: Seattle 10, NY Mets 0
Sometimes you have to be patient with fertilizer.
“UPDATE, 9:18 p.m.: It’s 7-3 with LaTroy Hawkins pitching and you pull the infield in? Meanwhile, the infield is still in at 8-3. In other news, it’s the seventh inning. Perhaps under the Randy Levine Incentive Plan, Girardi gets paid by the strategic move.
By all means, cut down that ninth run.”
Great post from Pete. That about sums it up.
JB Cox a scoreless inning for SWB.
I think you might be taking your disgust with the game tonight a bit far, Sunny.
Is Girardi giving up this extended look at Hawkins because this is goodbye forever?
I thought we were getting embarrassed. Then I turned on SNY. Hahaha.
Is this player having a good season ?
.278/.334/.377
what a bad night for the yanks just unwatchable
“Robertson needs to harness the control if he gets the call. I have seen him a few times and his walks are going to kill him.”
He’s toned down the walks. He has really good stuff. A killer curve. He’ll be fine. I’d take him over any of our relievers except Mo.
Red Sox have Dice-K,Ortiz out.And Beckett is not even close to being what he was last year.And we are not taking advantage of it with these overrated prospects and journeymen.
It’s the Pirates.A 15 straight losing team.This is like getting beaten by a AA team.
Is Girardi giving up this extended look at Hawkins because this is goodbye forever?
Hopefully
Girardi said the words “Good Job” to Latroy when he took him out. Either that or “I hope you can find a Good Job” after you are cut tomorrow.
That’s mine and a few other people explanation of why Jeter hasn’t been as effective on a consistent bases this season so far. Who knows. Just from what people have been seeing. The two of them after the games smiling and even after the yankees lost . Jeter didn’t seem to be in bad mood and laughing it up with his girlfriend. The new stadium is named THe House Jeter Built. So why would this dude have any other reason to have that fire he use to have. He’s won it all and done it all. He’s the captain of the Yankees and the favorite Yankee player. We were just talking about how he’s been acting as at times as if his head isn’t in the game. He’s still my favorite player. I’m, just facing reality here.
Horne another decidedly ordinary effort in SWB. 6 innings, 4 runs (3 ER) 7 hits, 4 walks. He is, if nothing else, consistent.
Worst thing about Hawkins being terrible this year is that the yanks definitely won’t get a Type A draft pick from him, like they did with Viz. Loved that quote from Cash (not sure if it was made recently, or just discussed recently) where he said that he valued the draft pick more than another year (or more) of Vizcaino.
“It’s 7-3 with LaTroy Hawkins pitching and you pull the infield in? Meanwhile, the infield is still in at 8-3. In other news, it’s the seventh inning. Perhaps under the Randy Levine Incentive Plan, Girardi gets paid by the strategic move.
By all means, cut down that ninth run.”
Only quitters can think like that.
As the saying goes, it is not over until it is over.
If Girardi did not do it, the same voices will be criticising him for not doing the same.
Girardi should say, “well, I was out managed again. How many is that this year boys?” “I don’t know what the problem is. In the interview with Hank and Hal, I sounded good, gave all the right answers, even used my Manager of the Year award.” “But now, I just can’t seem to get these guys to play consistent baseball. I was hoping that the offense would cover my inability to handle pitchers, even though I was a catcher, but is it obvious, we are in trouble as a team”.
I don’t even buy any of this stuff about Jeter’s in love and that’s why he isn’t hitting. That is psychobabble garbage, the man is a professional ballplayer and he’s been playing poorly ever since he got hit on the hand vs Baltimore. It’s that simple. Just have to hope he will break out of it soon. But it doesnt help when the guys in front of him and behind him arent hitting, it only magnifies his woes that we may barely even notice in other circumstances. For sure he has been the most detrimental to rallies but I cant be much more mad at him than anyone else tonight.
on the bright side, hopefully this debacle will put a merciful end to the LaTroy experiment. At first I was in favor of holding on to him until we could get something in return, but now I don’t think we can allow him to kill us for that much longer.
“Is this player having a good season ?
.278/.334/.377″
For some players that is a good season. For Jeter it isn’t.
18 hits? wth is this
I agree Robertson has toned them down but look at his numbers. I love his stuff too but he is streaky with his contrl and hitters in the majors obviously have a much better eye.
I just have one question:
Is there anyone in this bullpen besides Mo that we can rely on?
Anyone?
Just name one!
There you go. That play sums up this year, this offense, this team, and their 3rd place finish.
C’mon 2009, maybe better results.
can I pitch?
Hawkins just a waste of space
I don’t buy it either. The man has dated a good proportion of the Maxin Top 100 and always managed to play well enough to be above people picking on him incessantly, until lately.
“The new stadium is named THe House Jeter Built.”
When was that done?!!!!!?
It is more likely to be called the house Alex built.
now we have them right where we want them
I have a 65 mph fastball and a 45mph change up
1 more run and I’m clicking this s… off
We better win these next 2 games vs the Pirates.
The upcoming series vs. the Mets is certainly not gonna be an easy series. Especially with us throwing Ponson out there and with them coming off losing this Seattle series
“so… how about that SI article that rates Jeter as the #1 overrated player in baseball???”
Thats also the same one that rates A-Rod as the #3 most overrated player in baseball, so take it for what it’s worth, which is not a whole lot except that there are a lot of middling baseball players out there who wish they were A-Rod or Jeter.
i guess they refuse to win when they see the redsox losing
it’s kind of hard not to have disgust with a team that’s losing to the pissant pirates 12-3 fer christ’s sake…!! 12
to
3
to the Pirates…
ew.
“but now I don’t think we can allow him to kill us for that much longer.”
I fail to see how he killed anybody tonight. He came into a game where they look liked they’rd already mailed the game in. The offense on the other hand…
I never realized how much Laroche looks like a math teacher… thanks interleague play.
“JB Cox a scoreless inning for SWB.”
I didn’t know he was back in action yet, must have been a short DL stint, right on. Is tonight his first night back?
Remember the days when Ohlendorff,Steven White,LaTroy Lawkins,Veras and EDwar Ramirez were consider by some people *cough* Nick from SF *cough* as being people who can be in the 8th inning as set-up men because they had a good week.
Man those were some crazy times.
dynasty: No.
Lou in So Cal I would love to see you pitch over a number of our other pitchers.
This is another one of those “rock bottom” games. Loosing to Pittsburgh is bad enough, but being blown out by Pittsburgh is pathetic.
Looking forward to Joba pitching tomorrow and hopefully the Yankee bats will show up.
I have a 65 mph fastball and a 45mph change up.
Even your excellent pitching skills cannot save you from the inept offense that supports you. You will be in the middle of a no hitter and some how still end up with the loss because of errors, past balls, and an occasional walk.
In the end you will be in front of the reporters and they will ask you if you are frustrated with getting no runs and losing the game 1-0. You will politely say, that even though their pitcher was throwing underhand all night, he was dealing and you have to give him credit. He kept your powerful offense off balance all night.
Tonight is Cox’s first night back(sore shoulder) check out my blog on Pete’s blog roll East 161.
So who’s up for an 8 run inning?
Also, I’m beginning to love Fresno State.
Sorry, I just never thought they were going to be the walkovers others apparently did. Disgust I understand, giving any credence to SI player polls.. might be a bit of an overreaction, lol.
Peter still bitching.. he brought in your guy Hawkins..Peter again your dislike for Girardi is pathetic.. If you can’t handle the gig with out being unfair maybe you should quit??
Thank god our boys showed up tonight..Just some assorted positive tidbits; man abreu is really killing the ball, we should sign him for about a 3 yr $51 mill extension I am sure some of the bozos here will love that..
Arod is having a good game, he may get a hit in the 9th since it is so meaningful.
what do they have to do to get Hawkins off this team, can they get rid of him under any circumstances????
when you give away games like this you deserve your fate….again if they were playing against Halladay and he is on that is 1 thing but this is just a giveaway.. the players should give away there paycheck also for todays performance, no the results but the effort and intellect…
Let’s debate Melky’s fate at $600k a year instead of Jeters or abreu or posada’s below avg. play…
nah let’s discuss BS…
paging Dave Robertson, you are being summoned to hop on a flight to Pittsburgh.
I heard Hawkins bags were already packed.
21, you fabricate stuff just like MoBoy!
Looking forward to Joba pitching tomorrow and hopefully the Yankee bats will show up.
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there has been no evidence that that will happen… sigh.
ya at least we didnt get 20 hit on
Ahem, your quite irrationally vitriolic today, Peter. Edwar’s pitched superbly this year, but because he’s had a couple of less-than-perfect outings lately, “his days have passed”.
Any rational baseball fan knows that pitchers—especially relief pitchers—have their bad outings. Rivera gave up go-ahead homeruns twice in the span of three days.
I thought you’d stopped watching, Stuart.
base runner? gonna happen? 9 runs?
Michael Kay once likened Oliver Perez to the little girl with the curl in the middle of the forehead. If he’s bad tonight, that doesn’t bode well for the Yankees this weekend. As far as tonight goes, Razzle Dazzle did what he could, maybe he’s going through an adjustment (for the league and/or for him) or a temporary downturn. Or not. Somehow the return of RISP LOB seems of more concern. Maybe they’ll wake up and get their act together tomorrow, because this was kinda lame.
Time to score 10 runs now
Yeah. Peter is the same guy who wants Jeter hitting in all situations cause he is top three Yankees in hits all time. It makes no matter than he has been crappy lately. Dude needs to start earning his 19 mil. I dont give a crap how good he was. If he is the Captain he needs to act like it.
Does anyone else realize that every time someone posts in this blog “We will sweep them, but I’ll settle for 2/3″ the Yankees get BLASTED that first game.
“I didn’t know he was back in action yet, must have been a short DL stint, right on. Is tonight his first night back?”
He was just activated today. Sounds like his shoulder was a little sore from Just needed a little rest.
Post is already reporting Robertson to debut w/ the Yankees this week.
you guys are awesome thanks for the laughs! See you tomorrow
Well there goes that plan..
1 more out..and this disaster of a game is over
If people want to be optimistic despite others bleak outlooks, what is the matter with that? Sheesh.
eh screw it, STRIKE HIM OUT !
“I fail to see how he killed anybody tonight. He came into a game where they look liked they’rd already mailed the game in. The offense on the other hand…”
Granted, he did take one for the team in saving the pen, and the offense is certainly more culpable for this horror show than he is. It’s just so frustrating to see him in there giving up runs just when the bats had put a couple up on the board and were maybe kinda sorta starting to get back in it. It feels like all season long, he just doesnt quite do what he is asked…he can’t hold a 2-run lead, he can’t hold a 3 or 4-run deficit, what good is he, ya know?
Now the Pittsburgh announcer is whining about how big market teams have an advantage over “the little guys” because they can afford to pay DH’s. I’m so tired of the woe-is-me teams (and their personnel) being thrilled with any victory they claim over a team like the Yankees, and when they lose… well… they’re just a small market team, how can they be expected to compete? How about you realize you’re covering a major league team, and act accordingly.
Pete is full of hypocracy. Early in the year he rips Girardi for not running and playing small ball. Then he rips Girardi when he runs these guys and they get cut down cause they are not good athletes. Make up your mind Pete!!!!!
Great at-bat, Jeter!
Does anyone else realize that every time someone posts in this blog “We will sweep them, but I’ll settle for 2/3″ the Yankees get BLASTED that first game
Actually it happens every time the Yankees play powerful underachieving below .500 teams bent on locking up the cellar in their own division.
This team just awful.
So now captain DP finally takes pitches…But the before the pitcher can’t find the plate and he swings 2-0. He is just dreadful. He doesn’t deserve AT ALL to be in the all star game.
This team is becoming more and more unwatchable! It’s unbelievable the extent of underacheiving play by these current Yankees. It’s just simply embarassing…
the double play in the first inning by jeter was horrible
I HATE THIS OFFENSE !!!
…Well, there are two.
hey a bright spot
I wonder if a 9 run comeback in the 9th with 2 outs is a record?
See, this is good! Everyone implodes or plays poorly in the same game so they can come out fresh tomorrow. And Abreu ends the game on a positive note and hopefully its a harbinger of things to come for him.
7 more runs people-tie this baby up!
What a joke. Hits a HR when it doesn’t matter. Who is teaching hitting skill ARod.
How about doing something when there are RISP in the early innings instead of looking like an potbellied goon.
Thanks for the updates on Cox guys, for some reason I thought his injury was more serious than a sore shoulder. Glad to hear it was minor, hopefully it’ll only add a couple of weeks to the timeframe in which he would have been promoted.
On the plus side – Justin Christian has 2 hits (clock has started, Melky) and Cano picked up 3. Rasner has come back down to life which means we could soon be seeing some trials with new faces from the minors. I guess Giese moves up to #4 until teams figure him out, too.
All confidence Joba will shut them down tomorrow.
Hope Rasner isn’t lined up against the Mets because I am going Sunday and would be upset.
Can we DFA Peter to Scranton and call up CJ?
But they were never in this game by the time he’d come in. Plenty of wasted opportunities to score went begging. He walked the fraking pitcher twice, and they couldn’t capitalize.
What’s the greatest deficit a MLB team has overcome with 2 outs in the 9th?
Anyone know?
“Post is already reporting Robertson to debut w/ the Yankees this week”
Sweet! At least one positive tonight….well, two, Christian looked very good also.
Just like 1960? Oh FFS, its nothing like 1960. 1960 was the World Series, tools.
I believe it was Don Mattingly who told the Tigers hitting coach (or possibly Jim Leyland) that the toughest part of having such good offensive players is keeping them motivated and hungry. They have a tendency to give AB’s away, assuming the next guy will pick them up and it just goes downhill…I think this current group of yankees still have that mentality.
“Hope Rasner isn’t lined up against the Mets because I am going Sunday and would be upset.”
im sorry but he is gonna pitch sunday
Well at least that night is over. Here’s to better game tomorrow and looking up at Baltimore, Tampa, Boston.
Nicely done, Doreen.
Teasing offense, from Jeter’s stupidity in early inning swinging, Bobby’s disappearing act, Melky’s nonexistance, Alex (well you know), JUST A PISS POOR OFFENSE.
thank god this miserable game is over… against these sub .500 teams, the Yanks cannot rake. This is truly sad.
Lowell just tied the game against the D-Backs. Oh, not a good day. Except the Mets losing
tied game at fenway
Red Sux tied the game
Freakin’ Sox just tied Arizona.
I think it’s Rasner pitching on Sunday Russell.
Rotation should be:
Tomorrow-Joba
Thurs-Moose
Friday-Ponson/Giese
Sat-Andy
Sun-Razzle Dazzle
and now they just go ahead. Balls!
Robi Cano and Justin Christian thank you for actually giving a damn out there, I’m sorry I can’t the same for the rest !
and on cue, the Sox tie it up.
Boston is winning.
Thanks, Angel. Gotta always look for the bright spot. It wasn’t a good game, though, to say the least.
Tomorrow Joba will get run support, look for a blowout, Yankees 9, Pirates 2.
Fracking Red Sox.
All I can say for tomorrow is:
Wednesday is a new day…
Pirates…. Meet Joba.
Maybe some of the Yankees will consider showing up and playing tomorrow.
why sox and rays can always come back from behind??
Think of how much more embarrassing tonight is about to look as the Red Sox come back down 3 in the 8th and the Rays come back to beat the Marlins, while we can’t beat a weak Pittsburgh team whose pitcher walked our non-hitting pitcher TWICE!
This team is a joke. Win 7, lose 3/4. Will they ever stay consistent?
Good and I hope the Red Sox win tonight, this team needs to learn a lesson, to stop playing little *witches when we have a chance to put a foot on the other team’s throat.
see if rasner doesn’t give up 7 runs we win!
Why Peter Abraham continues to embarrass himself with comments about Edwar Ramirez is beyond me. I guess he wasn’t watching the game on Sunday. Or really any of the games in July, as he has 11 K’s in 7 innings coming into this game. Ah, he was making a decision on a pitcher who has over a K an inning and a sub 3 ERA based on 11 pitches… Keep up the good work Petey.
“I think it’s Rasner pitching on Sunday Russell.”
Son of a… lets hope they change their minds. I will have to listen to my Mets girlfriend boast the whole time.
that’s okay people..one more week to the 1st of the month…that’s Yankees pay day…maybe they are having difficult personal problems spending their money and it’s effecting their play…
red sox won the division. cmon guys they are a lot better than our squad right now. theo is better than cashman. how many championships does cashman by himself? 0. he’s had years to build a championship squad and he has failed.
well so much for boston losing – hey – is that what teams do when they are losing? Try to mount a freakin’ comeback?? Jeezus lord, why the hell can’t this team do that fer crist’s sake??!?!?
Sox lead now. Championship teams know how to rally.
I guess it helps to have players who can actually hit the ball. As a Yankees fan, I wouldn’t know how that feels.
Yep, no reason why they can’t snap out of their ugly game-itis tomorrow. Gotta look for the positive, game is over and done with.
“why sox and rays can always come back from behind??”
Probably because they have good teams with that crazy thing called an offense.
the sux tied AZ because the yare everything the Ynaks are not, they are tough…
I hate them but let’s be real, the yanks did not show up.. when they had the chance to hurt Gorzelanny they let him off the hook.. the yanks are soft; abreu and arod and others are soft…..
But nah let Peter just spout his BS on the updates, blah balh blah about not using Hawkins then when they use him how useless he is.
Peter you just realize Hawkins stinks? You just realize Kyle is a wreck waiting to happen??
Edwar is better then kyle and ohlendorf and hawkins look at his #’s but no PETER take your usual cheap uninformed shot……..Peter you are petty man….
“red sox won the division.”
Well I guess that’s settled.
Today I heard the dumbest Red Sox fan on M+MD, he said “the 2004 postseason wiped away all the losing the Red Sox have done”
Um, Red Sox have won 2x in the past 90something years. 2 wins, no matter how it is done, does not wipe away how much the organization has sucked (and still sucks) in my mind.
Here come the lost and the lonely Sux trolls.
Is every one of Rasner’s starts going to be penciled in as an automatic loss now? Cmon, as if he’s incapable of pitching a good game now? Despite what happened tonight he’s still had more quality starts than stinkers, lest we forget because his W-L record doesnt indicate it.
The difference between the sawx and the yanks? The sawx BEAT teams like this.
Jeez! Listen to some of the people here. Good thing you guys weren’t at Normandy.
Does anyone still think Melky is any good? I mean Cashman needs to trade him asap
game over in fenway
BYNES HIT ONE NOW!
“why sox and rays can always come back from behind??”
Because they’re frivolously squandering all their comeback wins in the early part of the season, whereas we are smartly saving ours for the second half.
We’ll take the next two easily and hopefully our starters show up for the Mets series and Ponson can give us a good performance.
I say it so matter-of-fact because it is going to be very, very easy to win the next two games.
Forget any hopes at 1st in the AL EAST if we can’t win the next two games. Forget it all.
Some thoughts – from reading Chad Jennings’ excellent SWB blog –
1. It seems that Brett Gardner is steadily improving, and the Yanks don’t want to interrupt that right now by bringing him to NY for irregular playing time. Hence Christian (who, outside of a nervous fielding mistake early) did get two hits and drive in a couple of runs, and who may not be chopped liver. This doesn’t mean that Brett spends the whole season in Scranton. I remember Girardi saying in ST, “we have our CF of the future in the system, we just don’t know who it is yet.” Melky better pick it up, or ther might be some obsolete T-shirts around the Stadium.
2. Unless there is a simple to fix mechanical problem with Rasner, I would give serious thought to having someone else make that start on Sunday, and not just because it’s against the Mets. Like maybe Jeff Karstens. I most certainly do not mean the Kei man.
now we are going to either talk about the mets/yanks nonsense or the yanks have 26 WS and the sux 4 BS.
who cares, I am a huge yankee fan this team is not likeable today.. WHy not call up some young pen arms?/ give Rasner a few more starts he has not been bad but if he stinks it up adios(SWB) etc…
I am not giving up but I hope the millionaires do the same… how can anyone in there right mind say this team is likeable!!!!What is likeable? There never die attittude? there clutch hitting? WHAT????????
i hope christians play again tomorrow
I think you are starting to see Rasner regress to the mean. IMO he just doesn’t have the stuff to continue to be very effective and/or make the necessary adjustments now that there is sufficient video of his starts out there. He’s also thrown quite a few innings so he’s probably not used to the work load either, and he is getting fatigued. Maybe skip his next start and see if it refreshes him.
Or, maybe admit that stop gap solution no. 1 (Rasner) is coming to an end and it’s time to try stop gap solution no. 2, Ponson, followed by Aceves. Then it’s either a trade or send up the next contestant from SWB.
Hughes is how far away?
Part one
Yankees club as a whole is not a ordinary club. They are willing to pay 3 or 4 millions a year for mop up guys like Farnsworth and Hawkin, but unwilling to settle 0.6 million a year for a guy who won them 19 wins 2 years in a row.
Yankees club as a whole is not a ordinary club. The owner of the Yankees actually thinks he could boost the players, pitchers and hitters,by calling them a bunch of over paid guys that are not producing, and, able to not only get away with it but won the praise from NY media and Yankees fans.
And they have been in the playoff baseball for a decade and counting.
Aceves can’t be any worse than Razzle Dazzle even skipping his scheduled AAA start.
Rasner is better then Karstens, karstens sucks,………
Rasner deserves few more starts……
the yanks need to win the next 2 because our Friday doubleheader looks ugly…..
Steve(Moron) with the Melky crap.. Yeah Abreu had a great game in your little mind since he hit a HR……
FOOL..
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06.....116865.htm
Help is on the way!!!!
part two
People often, not always, get to be like one another when they live together long enough. I guess the word, show, is imbedded in the Yankees nowadays. People are willing to flow their adrenaline like a roller coaster when they go to the Broadway watching a good show. And, that’s exactly what Yankees do these past 3 years.
Something always happened to the pitching staffs in the early season (Brown in 2005, Pavano in 2006, Kei Ingwa, no injury but just sucks, in 2007, and Wang in 2008), but season always get saved with emergent of some nobody people don’t know before the season started (Small and Chacon in 2005, Wang in 2006, and Joba in 2007.) I wonder who will show up in 2008.
I thought Rasner is one good candidate, as Peter Abraham pointed out that he is likely a replica of Small in 2005. But, after tonight, he is more of a replica of Small in 2005 with a much shorter duration.
I sincerely hope that he could prove me wrong, sooner rather than later.
I wonder if Pete has anybody (a pitcher, throgh trade or minor league) in mind that would be a candidate in 2008.
Oh, Joba in 2008 again?
Thanks Jetes for that pathetic performance w/ basesloaded.
Thanks Bobby for disappearing
Thanks Alex (eh you get beat enough by fans I can’t add to it)
Thanks Melky for w/e the hell you actaully do for this lineup
But I especially again Thank You Captain DP we needed that tonight.
Hughes is still far off, murphydog. Very far off.
part two
People often, not always, get to be like one another when they live together long enough. I guess the word, show, is imbedded in the Yankees nowadays. People are willing to flow their adrenaline like a roller coaster when they go to the Broadway watching a good show. And, that’s exactly what Yankees do these past 3 years.
Something always happened to the pitching staffs in the early season (Brown in 2005, Pavano in 2006, Kei Ingwa, no injury but just sucks, in 2007, and Wang in 2008), but season always get saved with emergent of some nobody people don’t know before the season started (Small and Chacon in 2005, Wang in 2006, and Joba in 2007.) I wonder who will show up in 2008.
That King post says “Likely on his way.” He may be but chances are King is likely wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time for that either.
Sit Jeter for a game or two – he obviously needs some time off for something.
part three
I thought Rasner is one good candidate, as Peter Abraham pointed out that he is likely a replica of Small in 2005. But, after tonight, he is more of a replica of Small in 2005 with a much shorter duration.
I sincerely hope that he could prove me wrong, sooner rather than later.
I wonder if Pete has anybody (a pitcher, throgh trade or minor league) in mind that would be a candidate in 2008.
Oh, Joba in 2008 again?
“BBB
June 24th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
“why sox and rays can always come back from behind??â€
Because they’re frivolously squandering all their comeback wins in the early part of the season, whereas we are smartly saving ours for the second half.”
Classic. very funny.
Per Suzyn:
Girardi was very upset.
Angriest he’s been all season.
Girardi said “We stunk. This is the worst game of the season. We did not get big hits. Defense, hitting and pitching stunk. Worst we have been all year. I am angry”.
Rasner – they will work with him to get him ready for Sunday. It was all location.
All of the other players left.
well, the sox will win and beat a really good team in the Dbacks… the yanks get stomped on by the totally “awesome” pirates… good team we have here — totally going to the World Series…. sigh
The better the Yanks opponent is the better they play. It has been like that the last couple of years. Peavy, Oswalt..Boston no big deal. Great at bats., score some runs. Against AWFUL pitchers and awful teams they assume we just show up and we win. It seems like to me that they can not get up for games against bad teams. Also dreadful pitchers who throw junk seem to mesmerize them.
Tonight obviously had nothing to do with the offense. Everyone knew that sooner or later Rasner’s fairy dust was going to disappear and it has. Against Oakland and today he was a disaster and gave the Yanks nothing. Rasner is the type of pitcher who you don’t expect much from and can give you 4-5 good starts and then that is it..You move on. I really hope Cashman doesn’t think they can leave him in the rotation for 3 months.
Except for that, we’re all still pretty happy with the Yanks, right?
Go Joba!
The Dog is onto something. lol At least Razzle Dazzle was not as bad as Arroyo (1 ip, 11 hits, 10 ers, 3 hrs).
All of the other players left.
Pathetic, they don’t deserve any help from FA, I don’t want to hear about getting a big time SP, it’s clear the roster doesn’t give a damn.
rays win redsox win just great great great
The Pirates are two games behind the D-Backs in the loss column. Food for thought.
And another thing you Bronson Arroyo fans STFU for once
1.0 IP 11 H, 10 R, 10 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 3 HR
that’s 7 XBH in one inning !
Pete I’m with you on getting rid of Hawk Eye Hawkins.
Its time to bring in someone else, he’s just a waste of space. Although I’d prefer not to see Karstens. I’m sure Hawkins is on borrowed time until Melancon or Cox is ready.
“well, the sox will win and beat a really good team in the Dbacks…”
They’re 40-38 after tonight’s loss. They haven’t been a “really good team” for a a while now.
Man Raz aint getting the job done anymore…
I want CC bad.
I want CC bad.
They don’t deserve CC
Melancon has already thrown 54 innings. I don’t know how many more he can go especially coming off TJS.
Wheels do appear to be falling off for Rasner a bit. 1 quality start in his last 5. Those 5 starts cover 27 innings in which he allowed 21 runs (7.00 ERA) and 47 baserunners.
If we end up missing the PO by 1 or 2 games I’m going to remember this game tonight and also game 2 last week against the Reds. Totally inexcusable losses. Sigh…
I know it’s only one bad night, but I’d feel more ok with this loss if I wasn’t so worried about the rotation #4-5 and the bullpen. OK I hope we bounce back tomorrow just like after that horrible Baltimore game.
Rasner was lights out for SWB. The Yanks just caught the lightning in a bottle a little too late.
Rasner has come back to his norm. Face it, he isn’t a great pitcher. The Yankees just don’t have the pitching to compete as they stand right now.
Girardi should be angry. At himself. The more games I see him “manage” the less confidence I have in him. His faith in Farnsworth really is paying off. His faith in starting pitchers who are throwing BP is doing likewise. Some of his moves just don’t make much sense for a guy who is supposed to be so smart.
We will get CC and lose 2-1 when he is on the hill
jeez, it was just one game.
hopefully this’ll lead to a roster improvement – Hawkins finally out and Robertson in.
There really is no 4th and 5th spot taken in the rotation. That is reserved for BP pitchers.
CC’s value is even higher in the NL. The dude can hit.
Jeter definitely needs to be given 2 games off. Yesterday and today would of been perfect. I really do not understand why Girardi has not given him and even Arod says off. They are getting older and everyone needs a day to relax there mind. Jeter has been absolutely dreadful. He definitely looks like he needs it. Either he had a broken bone(getting hit by Cabrera)in his hand or has just been awful for no reason. I understand if he just is not hitting but there is no excuse for swinging wildly, after Damon just had a great at bat to get a walk or hit and then immediately hits into a DP. It is a joke already.
I’d rather see 2-1 losses than getting blown away by the Pirates.
DFA Rasner for the last time. Im sick of people defending him. If you cant see that he sucks yet, then you dont have a good eye for talent.
If we end up missing the PO by 1 or 2 games I’m going to remember this game tonight and also game 2 last week against the Reds. Totally inexcusable losses.
If we miss the playoffs by 1 or 2 games that we be a great season with this team
Jeter probably threw his batting out of wack because of playing while injured.
I think its time to show Melky back to AAA. Keep Christian up for a while until Melky learns how to play baseball again. But Girardi said if you dont contribute then you dont have a spot on the team. So why is he still up here?
Deep breaths.
CC is probably not available at any price right now and certainly not at an equitable or even acceptable price. The CC Sweepstakes are about a month away, if then.
No big flashy name is going to rescue the rotation right now.
NEWS FLASH!
Latroy Hawkins of the Yankees and Mike Timlin of the Sox have signed contracts to pitch for the home run derby at the All Star game!!!
The team that deserves a CC is the Chicago Cubs (they have heart) w/ this piss poor, punchless, glass jaw, NO IQ (Jeter, Melky), heartless offense they don’t deserve a damn thing, I can’t if I’m a GM I can’t bring myself to give pink slips to players that might give a damn more than the one’s that are on the field in the ML level, FOR WHAT !
careful, ray, the room is a little testy right now.
And Gorzelanny has the highest ERA of the 3 lefthanders the Yankees will face in this series! Good luck against the Pirates. Instead of Spahn and Sain and pray for rain, it’s pray that our starters can go 8 innings so we don’t have to use our bullpen, except Rivera!!
Rasner’s had 9 starts. he’s pitched decent-to-good in 7 of them. not sure how you can just dismiss that.
I understand Nick and that is why I also took a shot at my own team with Timlin.
Melancon can get guys in the Majors out now and be dominant at times. The Yanks are letting him pitch 3 innings in some games, which makes no sense as he will have to be shut down at some point as he is coming back from TJ and has a innings count. Cox has still have to get arm strength back. Robertson can do well in Majors now. So In my opinion and I have seen in person all 3 pitch in the last 2 months, 2 of the 3 would be a upgrade over Hawkins.
CC will be a Yankee. Theres no reason for him not to be or cant be
Wouldn’t Rasner be more helpful as a long reliever.
Why all the hate for Edwar? He’s been great this year except for one game where he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. Night’s like tonight will happen, but he’s given up 8 runs on the season, and 4 were in one game.
Doesn’t Rasner also have an 87 mph fastball? Unless you’re Maddux, Glavine or Mussina who in their prime could put the pitch on any spot the catcher held his mitt, the hitters will catch up to you.
Rasner’s had 9 starts. he’s pitched decent-to-good in 7 of them. not sure how you can just dismiss that.
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His first 2-3 starts were good because no one knew how to hit him. Now that people realize he throws meaballs down the middle of the plate, he will get crushed. His last 4 starts have been abysmal
CC will be a Yankee. Theres no reason for him not to be or cant be
I’ll give you a reason your not solving the real problem, hitting w/ RISP, The rotation other than Rasner’s last 2 starts have been good. It’s these so called excuse for professional players that haven’t gotten the job done. I’ve been against the CC deal for some time now, my reason this team does not deserve that help, Not one bit of it.
“Rasner’s had 9 starts. he’s pitched decent-to-good in 7 of them. not sure how you can just dismiss that.”
In a “What have you done for me lately?” world, you can do exactly that. Yanks knew coming in he was a fringe MLB starting pitcher. He’s thrown some nice games for them, but the longer fringe guys hang around the more likely they are to be exposed. Hence, the 7.00 ERA and 1.74 WHIP in June.
Girardi said Horne is ready. This better be Rasners last or at most 2nd to last start.
I laughed, Ray.
Gee I wonder what kind of upgrade it would be to trade for CC and demote RaZZ…then get Wang back in place of Giese ??…Hmmm..I wonder how that could help us win a World Series this year and in years to come ????
Doubt CC will be a Yankee, especially in his walk year when the Indians will not allow a window of contract extension negotiation. And who do we have to give the Indians that they might be interested in?
Boy, it doesnt get much worse than this, but it does if youre the Mets. 15 to 1 in 2 games against the lowly Mariners. Ouch!
thank god, Pavano is coming back soon
Nice try, ray, but Timlin can’t hurt you. He’s on the DL.
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Ewww, box score shows all the signs of a putrid pathetic game.
How did Justin Christian look (besides the error?). Is he ready to leadoff if Da-Man’s foot is still achey?
Melky led off and left 5 men on base? Yikes.
The last time Rasner got blasted, we went on a 7 game streak. Here, here!
I love how the Yankees dont deserve help. Do we not deserve to win then? Because with Rasner in the rotation, were gonna keep on losing. You cant blame the offense for Rasner giving up 7 runs
Also why would the Yankees, who should be a contender, but aren’t playing up to their capability, trade their farm system for three months of CC, and still not make the playoffs, then lose CC to FA?
Glad you laughed Angel.
Ironically I have more faith in the Yankees than some of the Yankee fans.
In recent years the Yankees have been a much stronger second half of the season team, and I don’t see any reason why that won’t happen again this season.
“Girardi said Horne is ready.”
Obviously he hasn’t been paying attention to Horne’s recent efforts.
“Also why would the Yankees, who should be a contender, but aren’t playing up to their capability, trade their farm system for three months of CC, and still not make the playoffs, then lose CC to FA?”
1. How do you figure we wouldnt be in the playoffs? With the best AL pitcher, and 4 games out, how could we not catch the Rays?
2. We have the money, who says Sabathia wouldnt re-sign?
Melancon can get guys in the Majors out now and be dominant at times. The Yanks are letting him pitch 3 innings in some games, which makes no sense as he will have to be shut down at some point as he is coming back from TJ and has a innings count. Cox has still have to get arm strength back. Robertson can do well in Majors now. So In my opinion and I have seen in person all 3 pitch in the last 2 months, 2 of the 3 would be a upgrade over Hawkins. Edwar needs to stop throwing same pitch or he is gone also!
Apparently i’m a moron becuase I said Melky is overrated and should be traded? Read the papers, people are calling for his trading to help the Yankees.
We can do without a .251 outfielder bud.
1. How do you figure we wouldnt be in the playoffs? With the best AL pitcher, and 4 games out, how could we not catch the Rays?
Because we can’t score runs ! wake up ! The hitting w/ RISP SUCKS to the point that even Cy Young would have losses.
2. We have the money, who says Sabathia wouldnt re-sign?
Johan Santana money for Sabathia and give up prospects too, are you freaking nuts ? What price do you want for one SP ?
Rasner and Melky just piss me off to no end. At least I know the rest of the team WILL contribute
Rasner and Melky just piss me off to no end. At least I know the rest of the team WILL contribute
.251 w/ RISP the whole team… that’s near 12th overall in the ML
Someone tell me who will be are starters by September 1st?
Chamberlain? Or will he be nearing his alloted # innings?
Mussina? Or will he have his usual dead arm month?
Pettitte? Hughes? Wang? -recovered fully by then? Kennedy?
“Johan Santana money for Sabathia and give up prospects too, are you freaking nuts ? What price do you want for one SP ?”
It wont be as much as Johan
And it wont be Hughes
Thats worth it to me. Have you looked how stocked in pitching we are in the minors? Theres a reason we have the 3rd or 4th best farm system. And in 5-7 years, we cant re grow those type pitchers? With Sabathia we would have him Wang Hughes Chamberlain and possibly Pettitte or Kennedy next year. Besides replacing Pettitte, who else would we have to replace in the next 7 years?
Oh, no. The ship is sinking. How will the Yanks ever make up 5 and a half games to win the June Championship?
“.251 w/ RISP the whole team… that’s near 12th overall in the ML”
Yeah but Melky wont turn it around. He has proven he wont. But the other players damn well have.
The Yankees will probably get to the playoffs, and then fall again in the 1st round. Why? No Ace. Who won last year? Sox. Did they have an ace? Yes.
Everyone is surprised Rasner isn’t winning games anymore.
This guy was DFA’d from the Nationals. You can’t expect miracles.
Sorry Bring Gardner Up, but I agree with Brandon. This team doesn’t know how to manufacture a run, nor has the bullpen to hold a lead, especially when your starter can’t go more than 4-5-6 innings.
The Yankees will probably get to the playoffs, and then fall again in the 1st round. Why? No Ace. Who won last year? Sox. Did they have an ace? Yes.
Didn’t Cleveland have that same ACE where the hell did it take them ?
“Have you looked how stocked in pitching we are in the minors?”
More depth than quality. There isn’t a starting pitcher in AA or AAA that projects as a likely 1,2 or 3 starter. All the high ceiling starters (which number 2 or 3) are in A ball. Hornes, McCutchens and Kennedys won’t get us a Sabathia.
Cabrera hit .275 and.285 in the second half of each of his two years. Try another “he can’t”.
Didn’t Cleveland have that same ACE where the hell did it take them ?
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Passed us. And 1 game away from the WS…
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-Sorry Bring Gardner Up, but I agree with Brandon. This team doesn’t know how to manufacture a run, nor has the bullpen to hold a lead, especially when your starter can’t go more than 4-5-6 innings.
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Rasner giving up 7 runs is at fault. The offense scored 5 runs. Thats not enough to win a game?
Chamberlain could be their ace, if his arm isn’t dead by then. And to make the playoffs they’ll need to be the wild card.
Didn’t Cleveland have that same ACE where the hell did it take them ?
Sadly, it took them up against a better (or less spent) ace.
It wont be as much as Johan
And it wont be Hughes
Thats worth it to me. Have you looked how stocked in pitching we are in the minors? Theres a reason we have the 3rd or 4th best farm system. And in 5-7 years, we cant re grow those type pitchers? With Sabathia we would have him Wang Hughes Chamberlain and possibly Pettitte or Kennedy next year. Besides replacing Pettitte, who else would we have to replace in the next 7 years?
What do you mean it won’t be as much you have even Philadelphia and Chicago scouting him and they are willing to give away top prospects. Plus CC’s agent has already told Cleveland through CC he’s not signing anything this year CC wants big money, Santana money.
“The hitting w/ RISP SUCKS to the point that even Cy Young would have losses.:
Cy Young lost 311 games in his career and he never had to play with Melky or Cano on his team.
Last time we won the WS. We had an ace. His name Was Roger Clemens.
Make that 316 losses! I forgot about those 5 games he lost because he didn’t have Joba to pitch the 8th inning for him.
Rasner giving up 7 runs is at fault. The offense scored 5 runs. Thats not enough to win a game?
The offense that scored was a AAA player in Justin Christian and an inconsitant Cano. If Rasner allowed 3 runs, guess what 5 runs wouldn’t have been scored by this offense. The CL you saw tonight was a scrub, thier Latroy Hawkins.
Bring Gardner Up- Yes the Yankees did score 5 runs, but 2 were in the ninth inning against a mop-up picher Osoria with a 5.96 ERA. By the way do bring Gardner up!
Some of you here just really need to shut up and stop with your annoying little whining.
It’s laughable how many idiots there are in this place right now.
Last time we won the WS. We had an ace. His name Was Roger Clemens.
The Great Clemens you speak of didn’t make a mark until the Seattle game. Those playoff games the majority were won by El Duque, David Cone, Andy Pettitte, David Wells, The hardthrower named Clemens wasn’t a great post season SP check it yourself he was no layup win.
We dont really need Sabathia. It would be nice, but I seriously am optimistic about Pavano. None of you will be because you all hate him for getting hurt. (Guess he did it on purpose right?). But Pettitte is a very good 2nd half pitcher. Chamberlain has and will be dominent,, he will lose, and have some blow out loses during the summer, but in the end will be great, and Pavano will have a nice August – Sept. Then there is Mussina and Hughes. Well Mussina…Hopefully he will continue to shine and start in the ASG. Hughes could only do better than he has. There is alot to be optimistic about through the summer if your a Yankee fan…besides Melky
Ray, the deficit is 5.5 games and only half the season left. There’s not enough time to make it up, and now, the Yanks can’t even win the monthly title for the third straight month.
That’s not Raymag GB
GreenBeret7, wtf????
“be sure to watch kim jones’ interview with Christian tonight; they have been dating for the past 5 months”
shapeshifter, where do you get this stupid and ridiculous information??
It would be nice, but I seriously am optimistic about Pavano.
My God….now we can all say we have read it all here.
Seriously, you can’t possibly…….ahhhh, nevermind.
OK, thanks, Brandon. Hard to tell with all of the refugees from the short bus in here.
“We dont really need Sabathia.”
Denial is so ugly.
shapeshifter, where do you get this stupid and ridiculous information??
Looney Land TMZ
Cry and whine about Pavano all you want, but if you get hurt, no one is going to blame you for it unless you did it on purpose. The guy obviously cares or he wouldnt have even tried to come back this year.
Go have TJS and try and come back and throw a baseball 90+ mph 110 times every 5 days,
haha brandon…shapeshifter is nuts
Pavano is about 3 and a half years late trying to show how much he cares and how much guts he has.
Nobody blames Pavano for getting hurt, but most everyone, including most of his teammates question his committment to get back. Hard to blame them.
Again, go have Tommy John Surgery and report back as fast as you can. Hes not faking injuries
Bring Gardner Up, I understand your point on Pavano but literally stop it already not much of us are in the mood to describe his guts on or off the field especially tonight. I’d say this if he can throw strikes then run him out there until his arm falls off, for all the s…. put this rotation through over the years, people forget that basterd was suppose to be the # 2 or 3 SP in this rotation, when healthy Bubble Boy can pitch effectively, when not he’s a useless waist of jersey lint.
You can’t really get on Rasner. He’s done good for what he’s supposed to be.. a 5th starter. Out of his 9 starts, he’s had 5 quality, 1 so-so and only 3 poor.
He’s contributed far more than both Kennedy and Hughes combined this year.
You act like when he pitched he was terrible. He pitched effectively.
Again, Pavano had surgery last year, not 3 and a half years ago. Go call him up. Maybe he’ll let you sit in his Porche.
Again, go have Tommy John Surgery and report back as fast as you can. Hes not faking injuries
No but he’s driving drunk and getting into accidents and not telling people about them. How you can defend this guy is unreal.. are you related or something?
He’s contributed far more than both Kennedy and Hughes combined this year.
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Yeah but Hughes and Kennedy were hurt. Hughes was probably hurt for 2-3 starts before he went on the DL.
He had a 5.20 ERA when he actually pitched for the Yanks. If that’s effective, you need to go back to school Corky.
Rasner sucks- You guys defend him
Melky sucks- You guys defend him
Do you guys like losing?
A 4.47 in 17 games and 4.76 in 2 games = 5.20?
“You act like when he pitched he was terrible. He pitched effectively.”
5-6 with a 4.81 ERA over 19 starts is effective, eh?
Not to mention his 56/18 K/BB ratio…
Bring Gardner Up sucks – Nobody defends him.
Bring Gardner Up,
You’re obviously related to Pavano or are a Sox fan. either way, you’re a troll, go away.
Pavano is “trying” to come back so that he can get a new contract after this year. And he may not have hurt himself on purpose, but he never seemed that interested in working 100% to get back as quick as possible.
Why do you think his teammates hate him?
Rasner sucks- You guys defend him
Rasner has had 2 bad starts, he’s contributed this season. Pavano has not.
Melky sucks- You guys defend him
What do you mean we defend him, did you not read my posts, yesterday, tonight, last week ! where did any of us say Melky’s spot is guaranteed ?
Do you guys like losing?
Your gonna make me lose it. Your not gonna sit there and defend Carl Pavano to me. Oh hell No.
How am I a troll? Because I think Pavano is better than you guys peg him?
Peter Abrahams man latroy now has a ERA over 6… Over 6 with alot of innings.. he only gave up 7 hits tongiht, yeah lucky girardi did not have him warming up in the 5th or ehrnrver that was.
the Orioles are 1 game behind the Yanks.. Look at there team… mora and some loser at SS(from the diamondbacks). this team has Millar at 1st and they are 1 game behind the yanks..they cannot hit and will surely fade but they are doing alot with what they have. canwe say the same for the yanks.. the muts have limitd options because they have an old old team with limited talent in the minors but they are talking about making changes but not the yanks..they can’t do that….latroy, kyle, and ross are to valuable. nah abreu, cano, and jeter will turn it around….
UH OH did I commit blaspheny by saying something bad about my favorite player Derek???He is my favorite player but let’s be honest season to date he has been 1 of the worst SS in the AL.. Look it up to see if that is hyperbole or fact…..
abreu is hitting mid 270′s, is that acceptable.. .The team is hitting less then 250 With RISP.. but no lets discuss Melky for 3 days at $600k, but give arod, jeter, abreu, matsui(the guy has 7 HR’s) or Posada(he cannot field), give them passes because it is blasphemy to talk bad about the original 4 or 5)mo, pettitte, jeter, et.) and Arod had big #’s so he is immune from complaints.
Yeah if Melky was hitting 180 with an OBP of 350, with 9 HR’s not 7, and 6 more RBI’s all would be good in Yankeeland….
“A 4.47 in 17 games and 4.76 in 2 games = 5.20?”
It was 4.77 in 17 games and 4.86 in 2 games.
Still doesn’t = 5.20, but it doesn’t equal effective either.
Theres a difference between defending Rasner and defending Pavano. Rasner is a complete waste of a rotation spot. Once teams figured he throws 89 mph fastballs down the middle of the plate, he started to get rocked. Pavano has shown in the past he is a good pitcher.
Because I think Pavano is better than you guys peg him
Are you seriously telling me he worth what they paid him ? Are you ? How can anyone w/ common sense believe this crap !
So, I missed it by a few points – but, so did you – 4.77 and 4.76. Do you now want to argue over who is closer to the total?
That was the DISTANT past though. He hasn’t been a good pitcher since 2004.
No offense, but Pavano has hurt himself doing everything but watching “Who’s The Boss” re-runs, and for all I know he’s hurt himself doing that too.
If he can come back and produce, God bless him. It would truly be a great Yankee story. Maybe he’ll come back and put the rotation on his back (not literally, please, it would break his back!!) and lead the team to the World Series, and we can say that he was the missing ingredient these past years.
Many of us will believe it when we see it.
I haven’t penciled him on my Comeback Player of the Century ballot yet.
If he wasnt hurt, he would have been worth every penny I can guarantee that. But how was ANYONE supposed to know he would be injured all but 3/4 of a season?
Pavano might not work hard and gets injuried all the time but hey he isn’t taking HGH like a pitcher and first basemen we know.So you take the good with the bed.
Im gonna love how you all turn and say “wow Pavano is doing really well” in August. This is why I hate fairweather fans. At least if Melky and Rasner were doing well I would admit I was wrong
Yes, defending Pavano makes you an absolute joke. He was not effective. And you thinking he was makes you either a troll or completely uninformed about baseball. Either way I wish you would just read and learn and leave the commenting to others.
bad not bed.Guess I need some HGH.
pavano would fit in well with this yankee crew he talks alot, has no heart, is worried about his $$$$$$$$$
yeah he would fit in with this crowd.
Another reason is he is not remotely worthi his contract and literally is stealing money from management. he has much company there including the left side of the infield, the right side of the infield the LF and RF and most of the rest of the team..
Yeah he would fit right in, but sorry to say Carl will get hurt during rehab or omething else will happen becuase he is a tru 100% loser..
Yeah because saying Jeter and Arod and Abreu doesnt make you a troll? Your a troll for saying they all suck
If Cabrera and Rasner were “doing well” you’d be like every other troll….invisible.
“Pavano might not work hard and gets injuried all the time but hey he isn’t taking HGH…”
Maybe if he cared about anyone but himself he would have tried it, MoBoy.
I kid, I kid!
bring gardner up, brain surgeon I got few questions for you.
gardner hit in the middle of the lineup? He good with RISP? Does he pitch? How is he out of the pen? Does he throw like a girl like our present LF or is he scared of the wall like our present RF.. Can he hit the ball out of the infield like our SS???If he can do all that he can really really help us if not, you are rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic…
whoopdy doo, say he is better then Melky 15% better, so what they hit 9th…IF he hit 3rd, or could pitch then that would be a big deal. I think Melky has more RBI’s then our great double play combo….
I feel like im in the upper deck of Yankee stadium with all the bandwaggon Yankee fans who boo when they do well, and cheer when they do good.
Jeter- will turn it around
Arod-will turn it around
Cano- will turn it around
Damon- doing very well
Matsui- doing well
Giambi- doing very well
Abreu- will improve
Posada- doing well
That leaves Melky who is a never was and to me very overrated by Yankee fans
Pettitte- Very good 2nd half pitcher
Mussina- Doing well
Chamberlain- starting to pick it up
Giese- pretty good in 1st start
Rasner- Sucked since his 3rd start
Bullpen- doing well
My mistake Arod is doing well, just got distraught by the negative talk about him tonight
“I feel like im in the upper deck of Yankee stadium with all the bandwaggon Yankee fans who boo when they do well, and cheer when they do good.”
boo when they do well?
I feel like I’m listening to some ticket-less guy on the D train ranting on an off day.
Sorry I made a mistake, Boo when they arent doing well.
Because im sure in San Fran you go to plenty of games right?
Rasner has started 9 games this year. He has allowed more than 2 runs in three of them. He should be at worse, 6-3. Care to change your rant, now, Corky?
Random goofballs riding out to Yankee Stadium West in Oakland on BART make more sense than you.
Just kidding, I don’t know if you’re making sense or not, what are you even arguing? That no one who isn’t counting on Pavano to save the team is a real Yankee fan? Or….?
Hey all you Yankee fans! I’m new to this medium of blogging so bear with me. I just wanted to let all of you know about this awesome place you can go to to enjoy the game with your family if you can’t make it out to The Stadium. It’s called Last Licks. It is an ice cream store that is on 93rd and 3rd. I went there today to get some ice cream and they had the game on inside! there were tvs throughout the store and a mini Stadium dugout for the kids to play in. plus what i thought was really cool was all of the autographed pics covering the walls! there was a ton of Yankee stuff! it was like a combination of the Stadium and Cooperstown on a smaller scale. The Yankees + ice cream. Where can you go wrong? Thanks everybody!
Careful, Linda. They make you pay for advertising space on here.
East of Park Avenue? Yuck!
Who the f is Corky?
1-5 with a 6 ERA
What does that tell you? Maybe that people realize what he pitches everytime?
“Random goofballs riding out to Yankee Stadium West in Oakland on BART make more sense than you.”
LOL! Thank god I had ice in my mouth and not water, else my keyboard would be toast.
Well.. actually. I did have water, but in the form of ice, not liquid.
Erm, apparently past my bed time, or i’ve caught the incoherent post bug thats going around this blog.
yes my friend its true… We eat, drink and breathe video games and fail to realize that the rest of the world doesn’t. Games are never die…..in this hole world