Game 78: Yankees at Pirates
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YANKEES (41-36)
Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Christian LF
Chamberlain RHP
PIRATES (37-40)
Morgan RF
Sanchez 2B
McLouth CF
Doumit C
Bay LF
LaRoche 1B
Bautista 3B
Wilson SS
Duke LHP
Joba Chamberlain (1-2, 2.36) vs. the Pittsburgh hitters.
Zach Duke (4-4, 3.91) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: Damon (foot) and Matsui (knee and neck) remain injured. … This is the fifth start for Jobamania. He has yet to get a win but the Yankees are 3-1 in his starts. … The Yankees have lost three of their last four. … The Yankees are 8 of their last 45 with RISP (.178). … Jeter has hit in 12 straight at 15 of 48 (.313). He has reached base safely via hit or walk in 38 straight interleague games. … The Yankees have grounded into 10 double plays in their last nine games. … Remember when Edwar Ramirez went 13 games without allowing a run? His last nine games: 8.2 innings, 8 hits, 8 runs, 8 earned runs, 5 walks, 11 strikeouts.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 5:43 p.m.: Here is the rotation for the Subway Series:
Game 1 Friday: Giese vs. Pelfrey
Game 2 Friday: Ponson vs. Martinez
Saturday: Pettitte vs. Santana
Sunday: Rasner vs. Perez
Why is Ponson starting at Shea Stadium? Girardi wouldn’t say. “Just the way I choose it,” he said.
UPDATE, 5:56 p.m.: You may have heard the story about John Challis. He’s the young man from Freedom, Pa., who is dying of liver cancer but had his first hit in a varsity game this spring and graduated with honors.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette did a wonderful story on him as did ESPN.
Freedom is about 30 miles from PNC Park and John is here today and was in the clubhouse before batting practice. He had a chance to meet most of the players.
Derek Jeter, who has a perfect grasp on what it means to be the captain of the Yankees, was terrific with the kid (as was Alex Rodriguez and everybody else) and hopefully John will have a great day. I can’t imagine for one second what he must be going through.
“The kid has no fear,” Girardi said with admiration. “He’s an amazing boy.”
UPDATE, 6:24 p.m.: Per Mark Feinsand of the News, Ian Kennedy will start for Single-A Tampa on Saturday at West Palm Beach. He is cleared to throw 65-75 pitches.
UPDATE, 6:27 p.m.: They’re showing highlights of a Styx concert on the scoreboard. Seems they were here in 2007. Those of you who want to cover the Yankees for The Journal News should send in a resume because I may kill myself.
UPDATE, 6:32 p.m.: Springsteen played here in 2003. Why not show that? People might like that. But no, we get Styx.
UPDATE, 6:52 p.m.: Mo Rivera was rooting for Turkey in the soccer match. The Sandman was a forward in Panama as a kid because he was tall for his age. Mo was very knowledgeable about the beautiful game. He was watching the game with rapt attention.
OK, you’re all caught up. Enjoy the game.
UPDATE, 7:12 p.m.: A-Rod going in hard to second gave them two runs there. Now we’ll see what Joba has.
UPDATE, 7:51 p.m.: The Big G (two more RBI, that’s 44) is going to need more Just For Men. The ’stache is here to stay.
UPDATE, 8:11 p.m.: Nice job by Joba, drawing a walk and getting a bunt down. He is the Babe Ruth of Yankee pitchers so far in interleague play.
Tough night for the “Derek Jeter Is Washed Up” cabal. Two doubles crushed to center and 3 for 3 with two runs scored so far. He’ll be hitting .315 before you know it and will score 100 runs.
UPDATE, 8:26 p.m.: In case you missed it, the Mets claimed Andy Phillips off waivers from the Reds. He will join the team on Friday.
UPDATE, 8:57 p.m.: Bobby Abreu’s decline seems halted. He’s 5 for 12 with two homers and five RBI the last three games.
It would appear Joba is well on his way to his first win as a starter. If only the Yankees had Bronson Arroyo instead.
UPDATE, 9:25 p.m.: Joba couldn’t end that inning (I mean how can he be expected to get Doug Mientkiewicz out?). But another stellar start for him. 25 innings as a starter, 22 hits and 25 Ks. One walk tonight. High-quality stuff from a guy who is quickly becoming their best starter.
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I don’t know if anyone has read this yet, but it made me chuckle..
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3459660
Why is that Pirate image making me go “O RLY?”
And I am officially concerned about Johnny Damon.
Also, was I reading that BR link right? Andy Pettitte is 2-2 with an RBI off this guy?
“And I am officially concerned about Johnny Damon.”
and it came out of nowhere, too. at least we knew Matsui’s knees were giving him trouble, and might have expected some down time for him thru the season.
Pete, is there anything to this Cano/IPk for Oswalt rumor or is it just nonsense as I expect it is?
As Pete said yesterday, Joe Girardi likes to pretend injuries don’t exist, which is my main problem with him.
Let’s bat Pettitte lead off.
Bob(the original): where you getting that from?
I doubt Cano for Oswault is even being discussed. That trade makes no sense for either team.
Why would we want Oswalt? He was always a tiny power pitcher (albeit a very good one) that was never going to last in the long run AND he’s having a horrible year in the NL.
WFAN had a Cano-Oswalt rumor.
I’ve said all along Cano is not an untouchable and I believe that to be the case.
I don’t however believe the Yankees would trade him for Roy Oswalt.
If they deal Cano, it will be for an under 30, top of the rotation arm. It won’t be for a 31 year old starter whom they would have to pay (in terms of more guarantees) to have him waive his no trade.
That’s old style Yankee Business and that won’t happen, IMO.
Bob(the original), that certainly sounds like nonsense. It’s bad enough when beat writers talk about unfounded rumors, but now you have all these major league trade rumor blogs that throw any old crap out there.
I hope the 3 catcher experiment ends this Sunday and we get a right-handed bat in here that can actually hit.
@Rebecca…I don’t Girardi is pretending they don’t exist, I think he just believes in playing things close to the vest. He’s old school- it used to be you never shared injury info with an opponent.
WTF Francis???
getting back to maple bats below is the names of people on the committee. I understand that this is taking place during the season but doesnt it seem strange that only 2 players one of whom doesnt even swing a bat most of the time.
Major League Baseball and club representatives on the committee are: Sandy Alderson (San Diego Padres); Paul Dolan (Cleveland Indians); Joe Garagiola, Jr. (MLB); Dan Halem (MLB); Gerry Hunsicker (Tampa Bay Rays); Walt Jocketty (Cincinnati Reds); Howard Smith (MLB); and Dean Taylor (Kansas City Royals) . The Players Association representatives on the committee are: Phil Bradley (MLBPA); John Buck (Kansas City Royals); Aaron Heilman (New York Mets); Bob Lenaghan (MLBPA); Gene Orza (MLBPA); Steve Rogers (MLBPA); Michael Weiner (MLBPA); and Richard White (MLBPA).
“If they deal Cano, it will be for an under 30, top of the rotation arm.”
Who would that be however? Off the top of my head I can’t think of anyone young and good and tradeable.
OK, Francis. I think you’ve played the joke out.
Better to sit Damon than have him out there injured. That lead to a poor year for him last year.
If he isn’t on the DL I wouldn’t think too much about it.
“I’ve said all along Cano is not an untouchable and I believe that to be the case.”
In my opinion if you list Cano as being available for trade then nobody should be untouchable. I’m sure Cashman would trade any player if the right deal came around.
To me, Cano is the type of player the yankees should be trying to keep on this team. Young, good defense, good hitting (hopefully he is coming around), athletic. For that matter I would include Melky as a player the Yanks should try to keep on the team. He isn’t nearly the hitter Cano is but he’s young and an excellent defender, plus he’ll do anything it takes to win.
Even though a guy like Melky doesn’t have a ton of value elsewhere, he is big for the Yanks because he brings youth and defense which the team is sorely lacking in.
Come on Pete another post calling out Edwar? Toss out yesterday’s blowout game and his bad outing versus Toronto back on June 3rd!, and Edwar has been great in June. The two homeruns in the game against San Diego didn’t bother me since he was throwing so well and Gonzalez got to him in his second inning of work. In the last 7 innings he’s pitched since yesterday he has 11 strikeouts to 2 walks and just 4 hits.
I’ll take that. I understand why you pointed that out, but he’s done a lot of good this month as well.
Drew, I agree. why would girardi want the other team to know that Damon and Matsui are unavailable!!! He is doing the right thing.
I don’t think Torre would have done anything differently.
Edwar’s last 7 appearances:
7.1 IP 6 H 3 ER 2 BB 11 K
I don’t think Francis was ever joking just to try and get a few laughs from a blog…
Seems like he just really hasn’t mentally matured like most have. Those are Francis the Praying Mantis’ real thoughts…
I was at a game in Toronto once (2005?) when Giambi broke his bat and it looked like it went right around his body and actually impailed the home plate umpire’s leg. They carried him off the field, as I recall.
No idea if it was a maple bat.
Is it possible for the Yankees to buy up all the RBI programs, so we’ll run that just like we do our Dominican Camps?
has anybody noticed that jeter at his best hits in double plays and a-rod at his best strikes out with runners in scoring position with less then two outs! they do it almost every day!
What if I said, “I hope the Yankees trade for Roy Oswault because he’s white and the Yankees need more white players.” ? Is that racist? Yes. The reverse is racist too.
i am starting a coalition to ban “Francis The Praying Mantis ” from writing racial things on this blog its not good for our envirment! So please stop with those baby stuff. THANK YOU!
Patrick,
One game doesn’t signal a turnaround.
The Yankees haven’t been happy with Cano all year. He stopped working out with Arod (one reason the Yankees extended him because he showed a work ethic not present in his past) and they realize he could bring a lot of value to the team in the right deal.
You weigh that against what you lose by trading him. Its not as clear cut (keeping him) as it once was.
He has been the worst offensive position player in the AL so far this year. Think about that for a minute.
That’s a HUGE dropoff.
If you are the Yankees, you have to look at the situation and decide whether its just an off year for him (meaning he will bounce back and be a force on the team for years to come) or deal him while he still has great value around the game.
I know his name has been around more than just rumor sites in the last week. People in baseball have intimated that his name is on the table in the right deal.
Before Brad Penny got hurt, there were whispers the Yankees and Dodgers were talking about a Cano-Penny (along with other parts) deal.
I know the Indians would be interested in a CC-Cano swap.
The problem with that deal is, if you don’t re-sign CC, you end up giving away Cano. They will not give away Cano.
If he was untouchable, like Joba for example, nobody in baseball would be saying, “in the right deal, they will move him”.
A couple of people I know in the game have said that to me in recent days.
Does that mean they will trade him? No.
Just tells me the Yankees aren’t happy with him and are listening.
“What if I said, “I hope the Yankees trade for Roy Oswault because he’s white and the Yankees need more white players.†? Is that racist? Yes.”
No it’s not racist. It’s only racist if you said you wanted him because he’s white and white people make better ballplayers.
Posting an all-black roster sure has touched some buttons. Do you people also get upset when someone posts the ‘All-Triple-Word-Score team?’ or the ‘All-Cabrera team’? or the ‘All Australian team?’
Jerkface…thanks for simplfying my point, I tend to a get a little long winded sometimes, lol. Sadly I have to agree with Michael Kay for a second and say I think we’ve been spoiled a bit by Mo, expecting our relievers to throw zero’s up every apperance. I’ll take those numbers every time out from Edwar.
I’m not happy with Cano either but now is not the right time to shop him. The Yanks will be low-balled by other teams or otherwise will be tempted to undersell him. Best to wait to see if he gets hot and gets his numbers to a more saleable level.
Of course, if he does that, no one will want to trade him. Classic problem.
Edwar can not and will never be able to get major league hitters out on a consistent basis. You really can’t have guys like him as part of your late inning bullpen solution.
would have been a great story if he could, but he can’t.
Peter constantly cherry picks stats to support his agenda.. yeah Jeter is hot, beleive that and I have a home to sell. Jeter has GIDP 11 times..
Edwar is not remotely there worst pen arm unless you discount; ohlendorf, latroy, and Kyle.. he has performed better then those 3 off the top of my head…
in reality the yanks have 1 real consistent pen option and we all know what that is…..
I just do not understand aht Peters agenda is.. If Giradi allows you some free drinks and candy bars on the house will that make things all better with you????
is the guy being racist? arent there only like 8% african american players in the game? in no way am i agreeing we should get oswalt, whether he is black, white, or both, but his overall message isnt baseless unfortunately.
Not sure if this link will work but a story that will break your heart.Former negro League player Art Pennington lost everything in the recent Iowa floods.
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/u.....p;src=news
“No it’s not racist. It’s only racist if you said you wanted him because he’s white and white people make better ballplayers.”
I think that was heavily implied in my hypothetical statement as well as several of Francis’s posts.
SJ,
I hear what you are saying regarding Cano but I don’t think its a good idea to trade him, especially when his value is at its lowest. I know how bad he’s been and I know one game doesn’t mean he’s turned it around. He’s had several games where people have thought he might turn it around and it hasn’t really happened yet.
I think any player would be dealt from the Yankees in the right deal except for A-rod, Rivera, Jeter and Chamberlain. Those are my untouchables because they are the best in the league at their position or have the potential to be (except Jeter who will never be traded for other reasons). Every other player in the Yankees system or on their major league team are tradeable in my mind.
Obviously I agree with you that there are certain guys I’d rather hang on to like Brackman, Melancon, Montero, Jackson, etc. The only difference here is I would add Cano to the list of players I’d rather hang on to.
Bob…what do you define as a consistent basis though? I’ll take 7 innings with 2 runs and 11 strikeouts from anyone. Hes not going to be Nelson or Stanton, but he can be effective in the bullpen.
No major league pitcher gets outs on a consistent basis other than super elite closers.
The fact of the matter is, Edwar has an insane strike out rate, he is giving up less hits than last year, and less walks. Some of his hits will go for HRs, but Edwar is an extremely valuable member of any bullpen.
glad to see we’re rolling out a lineup that has had such suceess vs. the pirates.
seriously why is melky leading off. i’d be more willing to see almost anyone else on the team lead off. (i dont mind melky, i just mind his obp…)
I don’t mind seeing all-black teams posted or all-jewish teams or whatever. It just seems to be that Francis is implying that black players are better and that the Yankees would benefit from having more of them. I just don’t get that sentiment. Good ballplayers are good regardless of their color.
Shame Spencer – thats not because they dont get a chance. thats because most black players go to the NBA where 85% is black or the NFL where 60% are black . I think that the reason is that baseball is to a slow game for black players they like more action and you get that in the NFL and NBA.
ok I know I might get attacked for suggesting this but an article in the post (link below) is saying that Carl Pavano is ahead of Phil Hughes in his rehab and can be back by August. After 4 years of B.S. and no production out of him, I think the Yankees would be stupid not to rush him back and use the hell out of him until he breaks down again – if you can get 2 solid months out of him at least it’s something. Even if he’s a set-up/middle relief type guy he can’t do anything worse then Hawkins has done or Farnsy/even Edwar recently. He has major league experience and has been successful when healthy – if he’s ready the Yankees should at the very least try a “Kerry Wood” experiment and throw his @$$ in the pen
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06.....116865.htm
Edwar misses bats
alright… two questions… How legit is the rumor that Damon is headed to the DL and they are calling up gardner?
2. Isn’t there some trade involving the Yankees and Sheets..? Or is that one of these Melky is as good as Beltran type of deals…?
I don’t think Edwar is the problem with the Yankees bullpen.
They are paying Hawkins 3.5 million dollars and he is now the mop up guy on the team.
They are paying Farnsworth 5.75 million and he has given up 10 HR’s in 34 innings.
That’s over 9 million dollars for awful pitching. Edwar has outpitched both of them and is making the minimum.
Hawkins and Farnsworth are much bigger problems in the Yankee bullpen than Edwar.
IMO, the Yankees can solve both their bullpen and their rotation (for the short term) problems by making 2 moves:
1. DFA Hawkins and call up David Robertson. Robertson can pitch multiple innings and be an effective weapon (because he has swing and miss stuff) in the ‘pen.
At this point, if the only role Hawkins has on the team is being the mop up guy, it makes no sense to keep him. You don’t pay 3.5 million for mop up guys. Its a waste of money. Either trade him for a Single A arm somewhere or DFA him. Its time to make that move.
2. Move Rasner into the long relief role and call up Alfredo Aceves. Rasner’s best role is as a long guy. His stuff just isn’t good enough to be a starter and his ability to pitch in long relief really is his strength. He’s not a starting pitcher. Neither is Dan Giese for that matter. However, Giese has pitched much better than Rasner and you have to ride out his hot streak for as long as you can before you have to do the inevitable, find a replace for him.
Aceves is not your typical AA-AAA pitcher. He can work both sides of the plate, attacks hitters, and has better stuff than Rasner.
If the Yankees are going to praise (and protect, as in not trading) younger players, use them. Aceves doesn’t need AAA when you have guys like Rasner, and Giese for that matter, in the rotation. He has better stuff than both those guys.
By adding Aceves to the rotation, Rasner to long relief, and Robertson to the ‘pen, you add guys in the ‘pen (Rasner and Robertson) who can give you more length on a consistent basis. Something the Yankees lack right now.
As far as Aceves is concerned, he is the one guy of all these pitchers in the farm system who has actually pitched well enough over the course of the season to actually merit a callup.
He’s not just tricking people. His stuff is pretty damn good.
Instead of wasting a roster spot with Hawkins, be creative and start putting guys in roles that can actually help the team.
JMHO.
It would be interesting to know who these baseball people are that would move Cano in the right deal and what professional connection they have to the top Yankee brass. Hack sports writers don’t count.
now here we go Francis The Praying Mantis ! show us what you got ! lets see some baseball talk stop talking stupitty!
How is Hawkins a problem when he never pitches? lol Yes he’s going to be gone soon, I think everyone knows that. Robertson will be up anyday now since he’s getting his reps in at AAA.
Cash took a shot with Hawk, didn’t work and we move on. The beauty of a one year deal. And at worst, Hawk helped us win that game against Boston back in April, so thats worth at least 1 million right there, lol
SJ,
Good ideas for the bullpen, I agree with both moves. What do you think about McCutchen and Horne as options down the line?
Hopefully move #3 is trade Farnsworth (or DFA him I really don’t care) and call up Melancon.
I don’t think we would necessarily be low-balled on Cano. I think his pre-2008 production, age, and price tag carry a lot more weight than his 2008 production. I can imagine a lot of teams chomping at the bit to set him straight.
I also think that the #1 team that should be chomping at the bit to set him straight is the New York Yankees.
I can tolerate this all, and more, from young players. What I have no patience for is the veterans who don’t pull their weight.
2009 is going to be an interesting year for the Yankee outfield.
Joba rights the ship tonight against the Pirates ! Yo Ho Ho and bottle of Jo !!!!
SJ44 I believe that was quite possibly the most brilliant set of ideas that I have read on this or any other blog in a long time. I quite literally could not agree with you anymore. Especially your point about Aceves.. He seems to already know everything that a normal young pitcher should learn in the minor leagues… He also seems like an extremely capable option as the 4 or 5 starter… I just hope that we are not the only ones who have had these ideas.
Keep taking those cheap shots at Edwar, Pete. He’s still been quite good to this point, and I think he’ll be better as he gets more comfortable.
He can be flaky at times, but he has dynamite stuff.
The real reason for the recent disparity is because these players get instant money and don’t have to ride the buses in the minors. They just came off of free ride educations and have no intention to lower their standards of living.
Lets trade EdWar for a LHP im sure teams will want Edwar
I don’t buy any of these Cano-for-Oswalt trade rumors. That report comes from Jon Heyman – who often talks out of his arse when it comes to rumor mongering.
This is the same Jon Heyman who has also reported today that the Yanks, Rays, and Red Sox have all expressed interest in Sabathia when all indications show that none of these teams are likely destinations.
Theo isn’t going to trade for Sabathia. That’s not how he runs that team.
The Rays sure as hell aren’t going to trade for Sabathia when they have a very good rotation as it stands and they have David Price lurking around the corner. No way are they are going trade for Sabathia.
Cashman has shown that he’s not going to make the big splash like the Steinbrenner-controlled Yankees did.
Heyman also speculates today that Ichiro could he shipped out of Seattle and King Felix could also be had.
C’mon, that’s moronic.
Ichiro is going nowhere. If Seattle traded 23 of its 25 players on the roster – the two players remaining would be Ichiro and King Felix.
“has anybody noticed that jeter at his best hits in double plays and a-rod at his best strikes out with runners in scoring position with less then two outs! they do it almost every day!”
I think sometimes perception is not reality. How many DP’s do you think Jeter has hit into this year? Certainly no where near 1 a day.
“How legit is the rumor that Damon is headed to the DL and they are calling up gardner?”
Where did you hear this rumor at?
One bad year of Hawkins was worth the gamble over 4 years and 20 million that pitchers like Linebrink received. He had a bad year last year, and is doing better this year. Not worth the gamble.
JoeT 28 in 09!! MO FOR CY YOUNG!!
I agree with you 100% on the Pavano thing. if he is “healthy” use him. the guy is NOT a bad pitcher..just a big WUSS!!!!Throw his a$$ out there and eat some innings! they are paying him enough!
Edwar 1st 13 appearances were garbage time. His last several have featured higher leverage situations (protecting a lead/keeping a game close) and he’s been somewhat inconsistent in those spots. Walks too many to be reliable late inning guy.
This white/black thing is completely overblown, for what it’s worth. there’s pointing out where racism exists, and there’s overreacting to a comment on a friggin Yankee blog.
I think SJ’s got some excellent ideas. If Aceves is the seasoned guy they’re claiming he is, let’s see what he’s got. i still do think Rasner hasn’t earned himself a complete demotion, though. not after what he showed those initial starts.
i’m not a fan of these “Edwar Ramirez in his last X appearance” disclaimers. They make it feel like no player is entitled to some sort of mechanical problem, or just plain funk. It’s all, “he must be no good anymore. let’s take him behind the barn and shoot him in the leg.”
Lets not get any Double plays please?
Ok if SJ44 is calling for Aceves to be called up now, then I’m picking him up in my fantasy league before it happens for real.
Pavano actually is a pretty bad pitcher, he’s only had one good season in his entire career.
SJ44 -
When did Cano stop working with ARod? And isn’t Melky still doing so? It seems odd that Cano would stop and Melky keep at it (since they’re pretty much joined at the hip).
Greenberet: Exactly. Imagine being stuck with some mediocre middle reliever’s salary for the next four years.
Actually, don’t imagine it. Kyle Farnsworth.
“C’mon, that’s moronic.
Ichiro is going nowhere. If Seattle traded 23 of its 25 players on the roster – the two players remaining would be Ichiro and King Felix.”
Correct on both counts.
I love how ESPN is counter-programming its own soccer coverage with its studio crew talking about the game they’re supposed to be broadcasting.
“Edwar 1st 13 appearances were garbage time. His last several have featured higher leverage situations (protecting a lead/keeping a game close) and he’s been somewhat inconsistent in those spots. Walks too many to be reliable late inning guy.”
Not according to BR’s splits.
http://www.baseball-reference......#wpa-lever
Re: the old Pirates logo that Pete posted…
doesn’t that guy look like Mel Gibson?
Patrick,
No question, whether or not to trade Cano is something they have to be smart about. I think they will be.
They won’t give him away but, they will listen, IMO.
Too much chatter around it for me not to believe they aren’t listening.
For a change, that’s a positive. Instead of Cashman having to be the guy to create proposals to acquire a player or two, he is now in the position of listening to offers.
He can solicit offers and see if one blows him away you pull the trigger.
For example, what if a team offers the kind of bounty for Cano (or close to it) that Baltimore got for Bedard?
Instead of getting 4 solid prospects/players back, you get two really good players? If that were to happen, you gotta do the deal.
Not saying he will trade him, or should, for that matter. Just saying, he’s gonna listen. If teams try to steal him, he will say “no” and move on.
As far as bullpen guys, I think too many Yankee fans suffer from “Mariano Syndrome”. That is, they expect everybody in the ‘pen to be perfect like Mariano. Its an impossible standard for anybody to live up to.
For the role he has on the team (6th-7th inning, occasional two inning guy), Edwar is fine. In fact, they are getting a helluva lot more value out of Edwar than they are getting out of Hawkins, Ohlendorf and Farnsworth COMBINED, this season.
If I could remake the pitching staff for the short term, I’d do the following:
Starters: Pettitte, Joba, Moose, Aceves and Giese. I’d look to get another arm via trade at the deadline to fill a rotation spot because I don’t believe Giese will hold up.
Long guy: Rasner. 7th inning guys: Ohlendorf (on a short leash until Cox is ready), Ramirez and Robertson. 8th inning: Farnsworth and Veras split duties for now. Closer: Rivera.
I believe that bullpen gives them more flexibility because they would have a dedicated long man (something this team DESPERATELY needs), a couple of other guys who can pitch multiple innings (Robertson and Ramirez), a sinkerballer (Ohlendorf), a flamethrower (Veras), and a nutjob (Farnsworth) in front of Mo.
Obviously, they can do without the nutjob but for now, you do what you can do.
Sorry to beat a dead horse…but is a Melancon call-up still in the works after the ASB?
I’m really hoping we get to see him sometime before September.
When did Cano stop working with ARod? And isn’t Melky still doing so? It seems odd that Cano would stop and Melky keep at it (since they’re pretty much joined at the hip).
That’s real easy to explain. Melky hasn’t gotten a big contract yet.
Wow.
No wonder people like soccer.
raymagnetic-
click on yankees majors to minors in the links on the front page of this website first line of first article
Fred, Ramirez was in 5 games decided by 2 runs or less in his first 13 games. Not exactly garbage time, now is it?
SJ,
I see where you are coming from with regards to Cano. I wouldn’t want to trade him unless Cashman gets a team to overpay.
Your analysis of the pitching staff is spot-on IMO. When do you think Melancon, Cox, McCutchen and Horne could play a role?
SJ – That comment about the “nutjob” had me choking on my bourbon!
But I agree, now is the time to be bold. Make the moves (and that’s not the bourbon talking).
SamVA,
Thanks. Chad Jennings doesn’t have anything on his blog so I don’t know how true it is.
I guess we’ll see.
Stop referring to Ohlendorf as a “sinkerballer”. His sinker wasn’t particularly impressive as a starter, and now that he overthrows so much as a reliever, it isn’t really a sinker anymore.
I think people are taking Michael Kay’s words too much to heart, he’s the guy that said Cano isn’t working out w/ Melky and Alex but he needs tp relax there, because yesterday Melky was hitting and I don’t think he is slacking off. No one has expressed that about Robi. You’d think Pete would tell us if something like that was going on.
We can’t afford Damon on the DL. I love Melky, I really do, but he doesn’t take pitches like Damon does.
“We can’t afford Damon on the DL. I love Melky, I really do, but he doesn’t take pitches like Damon does.”
Rebecca,
No worries Gardner has a .414 OBP in Scranton. He can take Damon’s spot. He’s going to dominate when he gets to the show.
Rebecca, are you saying that Melky doesn’t get full credit for his two walks last night?
The mis-match between Cano’s contract and current performance makes him currently untradeable at any price the Yanks would accept. Just my opinion, but its pointless to daydream about moving him.
Good I don’t want to give up Cano. IMO he stays.
GB:
8 of Edwar’s 1st 10 appearances were in Yankees losses where he entered the game with the Yankees trailing by 3 or more runs. In the 2 wins the Yanks were ahead by more than 4. GARBAGE TIME!
Wave Your Hat,
Robinson Cano is not exactly breaking the bank. It’s also a half season of underperforming. He is far from an albatross.
(still don’t think we should trade him)
Doreen,
This season. Melky still works with Arod. Cano does not.
Is that the reason why he is having a poor season? No idea.
But, like any job, if your bosses don’t believe you are doing whatever it takes to get the job done, it doesn’t look good.
I have long been of the opinion that the greatest value Robinson Cano will ever have for the Yankees is via a trade.
I have said that when he hit .350 in the second half last season, in the off-season and all this season.
If he hits .350 the rest of the season, I still believe it to be the case.
Why? I don’t think second base is a “need” position in MLB. Give me a gritty guy, who can play solid defense, take good AB’s and is a consistent hitter, and I’ll be happy.
I also think baseball is a game of consistency. If you only produce for half a season, that’s not good enough to make anybody an untouchable.
Re-distribute your assets to strengthen the team in other areas. First base, OF, starting pitching. All more important spots to me than second base.
Cano’s value to the Yankees offensively has come in the past couple of years when first base and the OF positions have been light in the heavy production department.
I’m of the opinion that for the Yankees to win (not just this year but in the future), you have to change the culture of the team.
Impatient, slug first, poor situational hitting guys like Cano (and others on the team) has ground this offense to a halt.
Its too all or nothing for my tastes. Its a big reason why the offense is non-existent in the post-season.
To me, you overpay for pitching, defense and contact hitting. That’s where the game is going. You don’t overpay for power in today’s game because you don’t know if its legit due to the changes in PED testing.
Some of these changes will take place in the off-season. With so many expiring contracts, the Yankees will look a LOT different next season, IMO.
Re: Cano if there is a deal out there that can begin this changing the culture process, I believe the Yankees have to give it real consideration.
There very well may not be that kind of deal out there. If there isn’t, no harm, no foul.
Nick: Yeah, he walked the same amount of times as Rasner
(that aside, I was really glad to see it last night!)
Cano’s contract doesn’t really effect his tradeability in my opinion. He doesn’t get paid much more (if at all) then he would get in arbitration and one or two of his free agency years are bought out.
Yeah, Fredo. Edwar’s opposition average of .143 in high leverage situations. What a bum that guy is!
GreenBeret7,
I saw your post last night regards the drag race between the Dodge Viper and the F-15… I saw something similar on a BBC show entitled “Top Gear” where a Bugatti Veyron against the Eurofighter Typhoon, incredible. If you are interested check it out on YouTube… Bugatti Veyron: 1001 HP, 0-60 in 2.3 seconds. Amazing vehicle…
Hey Jorge,
Cano’s got a pretty good size contract for his seniority. And he is an albatross right now. But I think he’s got better days in him – at least we’ve got to hope so.
Yes, but Rasner is known for his plate discipline. He may have been coaching Melky about it before the game.
It was reported last year that Melky worked out with A-Rod and his personal trainer in the mornings at a gym in NYC. It never said anything about Cano participating.
Cano and A-Rod worked out with Bowa and Borzello in the afternoon at the stadium. No more Bowa and Borzello may be part of the reason those workouts haven’t continued.
Nick: LMAO
Cano for Oswalt is awful. I’d never do that.
Cano for CC is intriguing. I think it would have to be contingent on an extension being signed. Of course, what happens at second base? A-gon I guess? Still though, Cano has such a lively bat. With the Yanks lacking position prospects, and high end youth at the ML level, Cano is tough to give up. 2B is replacable, but his youth and ability with respect to the current roster might not be.
Hawkins should be DFA’d.
SJ,
Melancon has thrown 45 innings according to the BaseballCube stats. Isn’t that a lot at this point, for a guy who’s coming of TJ, and hasn’t thrown alot in a couple of years? What’s his cap for the year? The innings seem high to me.
When Ramirez appears isn’t up to him. He’s allowed runs in 4 of 22 games and in the 8.1 inning streak Pete is yammering about, 4 came in a 0 inning, 4 run appearance. in 7.1 innings since then, he’s allowed 3 runs, 2 earned.
As far as Freddy’s garbage time, if Ramirez pitches shutdown innings in 2 or 4 run games and the game gets closer, that doesn’t mean that he had garbage time.
When Ramirez appears isn’t up to him. He’s allowed runs in 4 of 22 games and in the 8.1 inning streak Pete is yammering about, 4 came in a 0 inning, 4 run appearance. in 7.1 innings since then, he’s allowed 3 runs, 2 earned.
As far as Freddy’s garbage time, if Ramirez pitches shutdown innings in 2 or 4 run games and the game gets closer, that doesn’t mean that he had garbage time.
When Ramirez appears isn’t up to him. He’s allowed runs in 4 of 22 games and in the 8.1 inning streak Pete is yammering about, 4 came in a 0 inning, 4 run appearance. in 7.1 innings since then, he’s allowed 3 runs, 2 earned.
As far as Freddy’s garbage time, if Ramirez pitches shutdown innings in 2 or 4 run games and the game gets closer, that doesn’t mean that he had garbage time.
Unfortunately for Melky, working out with A-rod hasn’t done any good. Melky is a marginal hitter at best so its not like I’m that dissapointed in his performance. Cano on the other hand had elite hitting skills so its a lot harder to take.
I think part of the reason Cano has had such a bad start is bad luck. It sounds absurd but look at his BABIP. That doesn’t tell the whole story because Cano grounded out a lot and hit lots of weak popups for the first few months but luck has definitely played a role.
Patrick, let’s get real. Cano is locked in through 2011 at $6MM (09)/$9MM(2010)/$10MM(2011), with a further $2MM to buy him out of 2012. That’s a lot of money for somebody playing the way he is. He’s got to improve to be worth it.
Let’s simplify this. Edwar has come into a save situation 3 times. He got 2 outs to get a HOLD in one. He allowed 2 runs in two innings to allow a three run lead get to one but still qualified for a HOLD. He allowed 1 run in 1 1/3 in the 3rd opportunity to earn a blown save. 4 innings in save situations. 3 er (all homers) That’s something like a 7.00 ERA.
I wouldn’t trade Robinson Cano at all, he will break through this somehow.
Hey, Frank…Thanks. That drag race between the Dodge Viper and the F-16 Viper was impressive.
Brandon,
Cano hasn’t worked with Arod all year. Trust me, I know a little about this one.
Like I said, I don’t know if its a reason why he’s struggling. I do know its something the Yankees (his bosses) are not happy about.
JMO but, if Damon’s arch is hurting this much, they should DL him and call up Gardner.
The Yankees need a healthy Johnny Damon. His legs are his game. We went through this earlier this year with Posada, the last guy who had “never been on the DL” (like Damon) in his career.
They pushed it with Posada and they are still paying the price for it.
Just DL Damon now. Between his DL time and the ASB, you can get him healthy for the second half of the year.
Gardner is out of his slump and perhaps you catch some energy with him at the right time with a callup. Better to be safe than sorry on this one.
Patrick,
Tough to say on those guys. Horne is struggling with fastball command right now. Not unexpected, given his time off. Like McCutchen (who has also been up and down), I think we need to see how they are in another month.
Cox? Just off the DL. Probably have to see how it goes in the next two weeks to see if his tired shoulder is ok.
Melancon? I still think he’s going to be an option after the ASB. Frankly, I’m surprised he hasn’t been called up to Scranton by now. He’s dominating AA hitters.
Makes no sense to me to keep him in AA eating up hitters at that level.
“Cano is due to make $3 million in 2008, $6 million in 2009, $9 million in 2010 and $10 million in 2011. In 2012, Cano has an option for $14 million with a $2 million buyout. If that option is picked up, Cano will have another option in 2013 for $15 million with a $2 million buyout.”
Unless you’re the type of team that wouldn’t even sign their own young guys to this sort of deal, that’s not an albatross of a contract.
WYH,
Obviously its a lot for the way he’s playing now but its not a lot for the way most of us expect him to play. If you expect him to keep playing the way he has for the first few months then nobody would want him no matter how much he’s being paid. He could be playing for free and no team would trade for him.
Melancon’s innings are a bit misleading.
In a couple of his 3 inning performances, he threw less than 20 pitches.
It kind of skews his innings. A lot of low stress (in terms of pitch count) innings in his appearances.
Funny….WYH and I posted the same Cano numbers, but completely different conclusions.
Can’t judge a guy from half a season…
SJ I get that but it’s not the end all be all about Robi. Heck he was one of the guys actually hitting yesterday. Right now has Robi underperformed yes, but he will improve.
People talk about how Edwar has come back to earth after a series of good streaks.But Veras will follow the rest of the bbullpen.Every bullpen guys other then MO has had a good two weeks follow by there over to a now 4-5 Era.
“Why? I don’t think second base is a “need†position in MLB. Give me a gritty guy, who can play solid defense, take good AB’s and is a consistent hitter, and I’ll be happy.”
SJ44…perhaps I am overlooking the obvious or I am being naive but why are do so many Yankee fans criticize Pedroia. I understand fully that he is a Red Sox and so he will be hated by Yankee fans, but it seems like except for Youkilis Pedroia gets the most put downs here.
SJ44, I haven’t seen you put Pedroia down, but your description of what you would like to see at second base seems to fit Pedroia.
“Unfortunately for Melky, working out with A-rod hasn’t done any good. Melky is a marginal hitter at best so its not like I’m that dissapointed in his performance. ”
May not have helped his offense but his defense looks considerably better. I’m sure being in better shape has helped him in that regard.
Still too early to say what kind of hitter he’ll be at best. He’s still just 23. He needs a couple of years more of developing in my opinion before we’ll know what the end all be all will be with his offense.
Patrick, I don’t think we disagree really. My original point was that no one would trade for that contract given the way Cano is playing now, except on terms really disadvantageous for the Yanks. I think you would agree. Like everyone on this board, I hope Cano gets better and I suspect he will. He was too good too young to be really bad.
the last thread’s comments about an ‘all brother’ team seemed a little racist (to say the least) and I don’t want to resurrect it.
But it did get me wondering if two imaginary team could be conjured up, using opposing lineups that would have 9 guys playing against their own brothers. The pairs of brothers would all have to be on the opposing team, but they could play different (or same) positions.
Oh, and the brothers can be of any ethnicity … we’re not digressing to the last thread here.
Examples:
Robbie Alomar playing 2B on one team, Sandy Alomar playing C on the other. Or, 2 Molinas playing catcher on opposite teams.
Also, retired brothers teams or current brothers teams would be interesting to imagine. The Dimaggios and the Niekros would be on ‘past’ team while BJ & Justin Upton would be on opposing ‘current’ teams of course.
Interesting to see what lineups people come up with for current & past teams. Game time is 2 hours away.
However the brothers gets matched up by position, the opposing pairs of brothers would have to fill out all 9 positions on both teams. You can’t have 2 shortstops and 5 outfielders (or 2CFs and either no LF or no 1B) on one team just because one or both brother is a hall of famer.
2 complete teams. 9 families. And nobody plays on the same team as his own brother. Include DH and as much of a pitching staff as you want – just one starter, just one each L/R starter, L/R starter plus closer, a full rotation, full rotation plus closer, a full staff … whatever makes you feel good.
I suspect given time Melky will improve. Players who played full time at 21 have a good track record. However, can the Yanks afford to be patient with him?
It really stands out that in all of this discussion about Yankees post All Star break pitching there is nary a word about Ian Kennedy. Last winter he was a crown jewel of vaunted the Yankees young pitching. By the 4th of July he’s not even in the discussion, healthy or not. Amazing.
How was my description of the type of second baseman I like a putdown to Dustin Pedroia?
First off, It was a description of the type of second baseman I like. That’s not a putdown.
Second, I never mentioned Pedroia so, I have a hard time understanding why you think I’m putting him down.
SJ, I understand your opinion re:Cano, but he *does* play fantastic defense at a middle-infielder position, which is why–despite having atrocious offensive numbers–he’s still pulling a positive WARP (if only just barely; I think it was just above 1 last I checked).
Considering it’s safe to assume that this is about rock-bottom for Cano offensively–he has a track record that suggests he *will* hit again, even if he doesn’t hit .350 or get his OPS north of .750–he certainly still has positive value to this ballclub, without being a high-percentage slugger.
I don’t think that invalidates any your criticisms, but I think it’s worth pointing out that there aren’t many second basemen who can out-glove or out-range Cano, which is why I think he’s valuable even if his hitting doesn’t improve over the rest of the season, or the next few years (though I’m inclined to think it will).
The ripping on Edwar Ramirez is almost as comical as it is painful in its sheer stupidity.
18 of his 22 appearances have been scoreless. He had one dreadful outing against Toronto and other than that his ERA is 1.54. He enjoys a better than 2-to-1 strikeout/walk ratio.
And he’s in his second major league season.
If you focus on anyone’s 2 or 3 worst outings then that guy would stink, and that includes the greatest closer EVER.
Save your venom for Farnswurst (4.24) and Hawkrap (6.12), two highly paid veterans who are performing at dramatically lower levels.
On more thing, real baseball fans NEVER quote “holds”.
Question for SJ and others against Cano.
I realize his BA is slumping, but watching the guy hit this year does it seem like he’s getting good contact and being unlucky more than, he’s looking lost (like Melky for instance)?
I’ve seen games where he has rocked the ball every at-bat only to have someone make a good defensive play on him. Also, second base is not a need position, but isn’t the goal to get younger and play better defense? The defense the kid plays at second more than makes up for his current struggles at the plate.
Players who played full time at 21 have a good track record. However, can the Yanks afford to be patient with him?
Melky was a full-time player at 21 out of necessity. Matsui and Sheffield went down for most of the 2006 and Melky was a capable body in the minors.
It’s not like Melky played his way onto the team. It was dumb luck that he got the opportunity to start.
SJ44
I didn’t think that you were putting Pedroia down at all. My question was why so many other Yankee fans put him down since he seems to me to fit the description of what you would like to see in someone at second base.
ansky, you have three DiMaggio brothers in the outfield, along with three alou brothers, the two Dean brothers pitching, the Boyer brothers playing third base, the Conigliaro brothers as DH, the Ripkin brothers playing Short and second.
sorry for all the typos in my last post. I’m getting apoplectic reading about Yankees prospects and the best short term rotation we can come up with is Andy, Joba, Mussina, Giese and Aceves.
If Aceves, 25 years old and a professional for 6 years, is that good, bring him up soon. Let’s find out if he’s another overhyped farmhand or the real deal. At least then they can decide if they need to pursue CC Sabathia now or can wait till he’s a free agent. This team has too many players in their prime years to give up on winning this year.
Guisseppe-
Nonetheless Melky did start and he did not play badly. Despite the injuries that opened the opportunity the Yanks chose Melky to bring up. My point holds.
86w183
“On more thing, real baseball fans NEVER quote “holdsâ€.”
LOVE that line. Can we post it somewhere on every thread!
Drive, don’t worry about typos, Do what I do when I make them. I just blame Rebecca since she does my typing for me.
In my little hypothetical world here, guys can’t play on the same team as their brothers. To fill out a lineup is not too hard. To fill out two good ones is a little tougher because sometimes one brother was great but he other wasn’t.
Also, the ‘past’ teams would be easier to pick than the ‘current’ just because there are generations to choose from.
An all-star game played between pairs of actively playing brothers is probably the tougher challenge.
GreenBeret,
You’re right. And she’s so sweet she doesnt mind taking the heat LOL
Cano’s defense has definitely been a positive. In fact, to his credit (and why I don’t buy the “he misses Bowa” stuff) he’s having his best year defensively.
I think the question with Cano comes down to this. IF (and its still an BIG if) a great offer came down for him, does it make sense for the Yankees to do a deal for him or keep him and hope he gets going?
All I am saying is its not a clear cut, “he is untouchable” thing as it was prior to this season. If it was, his name wouldn’t be out there in baseball circles.
I don’t buy the “he’s unlucky” stuff. I think this is an example where stats (his BAPIP) don’t tell the entire story.
For a guy with his talent, he wastes an awful lot of AB’s with poor approaches given the game situation.
Some of it is youth. Some of it is just the fact that he thinks he can hit anything.
Has he had some bad luck this week? Yes. Overall though, he’s been God-awful at the plate this year.
Especially troubling for a guy with his skillset.
Don’t be so sure, Drive. She not only threatened me, but said I wasn’t allowed to buy her first book. That’s what really hurt. I have no fear of 115 pound girls. It’s their 250 pound brothers that I watch out for.
Remember when Pete would give us real information instead o picking a player to bash…yesterday it’s farnsworth..today it’s ramirez…lets try to guess who tomorrow is going to be….i call cano…
when will the journal news replace this francessa wanna be? thank goodness his paper is read by 30 people..
Cano has been unlucky all year. It is compounded by his sometimes poor approach at the plate, but he hasn’t been as bad as his batting line shows.
….
just submitted my 25 all star ballots full of Yankees. i know it’s a cheesy, biased thing to do but the game is in our house so I want as many Yanks there as possible..
Hey, Drew, what’s wrong with all those blogs throwing rumours around. It makes it more interesting. I bet the GMs love it. It makes it even harder to tell what is true. I bet Cashman reads them (or one of his staff).
Hey, we’re looking for some video posters to talk sports over at smackcaster.com. Everyone is invited. Including you Peter.
i have a feeling the yanks are gona play….better today.whatever that is.btw u the blackest team in baseball is the angels… that is a soulful team right there
Robinson Cano
April 6.1% BB, 12.3% K, .156 BABIP, 14 LD %, .151 AVG
May 6.7% BB, 5.8% K, .299 BABIP, 16 LD % .295 AVG
June 2.4% BB, 6.0% K, .293 BABIP, 24 LD %, .275 AVG
He’s hitting the ball w/ more authority The Fallen Phoenix is right he’s being robbed of some hits and his only problem is for some reason he can’t draw a walk to save his life. April .211 OBP, May .333 OBP, .298 OBP the good news is he is now in the last 2 months showing a slight improvement in his OBP %, he was at .211 in month number 1, the last 2 months it’s around .316 hopefully it continues to improve. Kevin Long spoke about his approach and how his swing was off balance, Pete has the audio I said on that same night it will take him a month to get back to his balance point hopefully his OBP % rises too, he’s batting .355 in his last 10 games, he just needs to work harder, Robi Cano is not a bat you give up on.
GB: My brothers combined don’t weigh 250 =P
And yes, you can buy my book
I don’t even know if there are 9 pairs of brothers who are currently active players. One might have to go back a few years (to the turn of the millenium) to get 2 quasi-current teams of good players.
ray,
The only thing wrong with Pedroia is that he wears the wrong colors.
Unless my brain isn’t working at full speed, there’s something missing in SJ44’s proposal of DFA’ing Hawkins and calling up Aceves and Robertson. Someone else would need to be sent down or cut. Who?
As far as these suggestions for trading Cano go, I’m generally of the opinion that no one is untouchable but some are harder to replace and harder to get equal value for. If the idea is to trade for a starter, its got to be for an ace or a #2 and one that you don’t think you’re going to lose next year. Cano could be the centerpiece of such a deal but there would need to be more included and if its not for someone who we’d be confident is going to be better than Hughes then what’s the point? Also to complicate matters, Cano is a great 2nd half hitter. How does it make us better for the stretch run to trade someone who I’d be willing to bet will be our best 2nd half hitter?
I understand why people come to the idea of picking Cano as the trade bait because its got to be someone young and talented and few would want to trade young pitching. Cashman should be working the phones and exploring every possible way to improve the team. I just don’t expect that there will be a big trade that will work for both the Yankees long term and short term interests.
Well, the DiMaggios had two in the AL and one in the NL, the Alous all played multiple positions in both leagues. The Boyers played in the AL and NL for Clete and Ken played in both leagues. On a technicality, Dizzy Dean played in both leagues, even though it was just one game in the AL as a stunt. The Niekros played i both leagues. Only the Ripkins and Conigliaros played in the same league.
Current Yankee team is 41-36, 5.5 games out of first, 4 in the loss column.
2007 Yankees on June 25th – 36-37, 11 games out, 10 in the loss column.
The Yankees are doing MUCH better and the other teams are taking care of Boston more often. The team is frustrating, no doubt about it, but I still believe in the end, the Yankees will be in first place! So chill out a little….enjoy the game.
You guys need to leave Pete alone. He’s posting the facts. That is his job. A journalist is not supposed to be a homer, he is supposed to see both sides of the plate, so to speak.
He’s simply pointing out facts that Edwar has struggled recently. Leave the damn guy alone he does a great job with this blog and is just posting statistics.
We could add the 5 Delahanty brothers and the two Waner brothers.
Ooops. Wasn’t aware that Rebecca was lurking….trying to get the dirt on people for her next book.
GB: Adrian and Edgar Gonzalez play on the same team!
Oh the brothers CAN have played in the same league when they played. They just have to play on opposite sides in my imaginary game.
Steve’s right, we don’t need Pete to tell us that Edwar is not the setup guy that everyone wants him to be.
I do resent that he called our beloved Matsui a spare part (who might need a spare part on his left knee now.)
(Steve-some people have hate agendas w/ Pete, Girardi, and Cashman. They’re very easy to spot!)
Good call, Rebecca. We could go with the Greinke brothers and hop that Luke has a solid inning in him,
As easy to spot as P-abe’s agenda’s against Girardi, and any player he decides to dislike for some reason.
Posting Edwar’s stats with an arbitrary cutoff, without showing any in depth analysis of the actual games makes it look like he has a bias agenda.
Why he is choosing to now crusade against one of our better relievers is unknown to me.
***hop or hope….whatever***
Sox shortstop Julio Lugo has a brother (Ruddy) who at least last year was a relief pitcher maybe with Kansas City. JD Drew has a brother (Stephen) who he is playing against right now with the Diamond Backs.
There are several things wrong with the Boston second baseman.
1) you called him a “Red Sox” — why isn’t is ‘Red Sock’? The singular of ’sox’ is ’sock’. And please don’t give me some pseudo-reason why ‘Red Sox’ is correct singular usage, I won’t buy it.
2) Why is he losing his hair so prematurely? Guilt? Over what? Unless he’s part of some laptop theft ring, what’s he so stressed out about? Does someone in the organization force him to smuggle Dominican Happy Juice to a Red Sock to be named later?
3) When he swings at high strikes he resembles a Keebler elf chopping wood.
That’s just for starters.
I suspect Pete posted Edwar’s numbers because it’s an interesting factoid and he wanted to start a discussion. It’s called being a reporter with a blog. I don’t think you need to import an agenda into it. Why would Pete have an agenda against Edwar?
You know, GB, I at least have a really shoddy keyboard. What’s your excuse?
Ray, even in imaginary games, nobody wants Julio Lugo, except maybe to pinch run for one of the Giambis.
really shoddy fingers, Rebecca.
Nick,
Did you see his chin hairs? It’s like a pitchfork. Fugly.
Steve,
He could have picked Edwar’s last three, ten, twenty, or fifty appearances. It didn’t tell the entire story. It told the story that backed up the point he was trying to make.
I’m not going to go as far as say he’s manipulating the facts, but the facts also are that Edwar Ramirez has been very effective this season and looks much less one-dimensional than he did last season.
Why would Pete have an agenda against Edwar?
Because he is petty? Why would he feel the need to mention the constant lineup changes in a negative tone when every team in baseball changes their lineup practically everyday?
mel, what’s worse? The chin hairs or the clown hair?
4) the Rem-Dog calls him “Predroyer” — that’s wrong.
I started a “Rogaine” chant directed towards Pedroia when I was sitting above the Sox dugout earlier this year. To my disappointment only a few of the yuppies around us decided to chime in. Sean Casey was looking over at us and chuckling though.
5) Pedroia’s best friend on the team is Kevin Youkilis, who no one likes, not even Manny.
Pedroia does look like the little neighborhood toughie wannbe, trying to grow his first whisker. An Eddie Haskell with a couple of whiskers.
Rebecca,
I dunno. Isn’t he pre-pubescent?
Pete’s agenda with Edwar’s stats?
To show his faithful readers what an overrated and bad reliever looks like.
LOL. Just got junk mail from Field & Stream. The only reason why I opened it was to see who had printed “Woolly Bugger” on the envelope.
Alright I’m out of here a few things
according to Mike Ashmore Kevin Whelan to the DL (arm trouble)
And for the Chris Smith followers
His first hit in pro ball came today in 6th inning it was an RBI double. Until later Lohud.
mel: No idea
“I started a “Rogaine†chant directed towards Pedroia when I was sitting above the Sox dugout earlier this year. To my disappointment only a few of the yuppies around us decided to chime in. Sean Casey was looking over at us and chuckling though”
Sean Casey would do that, wouldn’t he?
Cano.. 4 hr, 27 rbi, .277 OBP, .335 SLG, .235 average
Pedroia.. 7 hr, 34 rbi, .330 OBP, .419 SLG, .284 average
Gee…I sure would trade Pedroia’s better stats in every category for full head of hair!
SJ44 has been saying trade Cano since last April. It’s nothing new. He is full of contradictions though. He wants to build with young players and keep payroll down yet he wants to trade their 25 yr old all star middle infielder. Strange. Why give up your one good young offensive player? Especially when you got, well, no one backing him up.
Rebecca,
That’s a good thing that you don’t know. I’d be really worried about your choice in men.
Ray, check the career averges and check back at the end of the year.
***averages***
ray,
It’s like fat vs. ugly.
You can change fat, you can’t change ugly.
I love how we are blaming the teams troubles on the 8th place hitting 2b.
It’s the crappy pitching, stupid.
They didn’t get the top starter last off season and it’s killing us.
And Hawkins as the 8th inning replacement for Joba really hasn’t worked out well.
Good matchup @ Fenway.
The Big Unit vs. the Knuckler
there you Peter with your usual Girardi dig.. Just so I know in advance who should he start in shea?/Giese?/ Does it really matter?
But Peter that is just you again if he allowed Yoohoo’s in the locker room would that appease you??
Joke……Like Giese vs Ponson in Shea matters, like we need to look at there GB/FB ratios…
BS
Say what you want about Pedroia but the guy is a winner and gets big hit after big hit.
Mel, it must be Geritol Night at Fenway.
Puddin,
I don’t think there’s any contradictions in what SJ is saying. He wants to get younger and have more payroll flesibility. He also wants to do it with players who resemble the type of the team we won four championships with rather than the one we’ve become this decade. They’re not mutually exclusive to one another.
ray,, again can’t buy a friend so you have to go to the yankee site???
talk to me about pedroia at the end of the yr…
you are a certifiable CLOWN…
pay someone to listen to you and be your friend…
Well, I mean, better Ponson against Pedro than Santana…
There are way too many pitchers on that list that begin with P, Pete.
….
Right.
Um. Moving on. So glad I’m going to the day game on Friday…
Game 1 Friday: Giese vs. Pelfrey
Game 2 Friday: Ponson vs. Martinez
Saturday: Pettitte vs. Santana
Sunday: Rasner vs. Perez
Why is Ponson starting at Shea Stadium? Girardi wouldn’t say. “Just the way I choose it,†he said.
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That’s right. When you’re the manager, you get to do neat little things like choose the matchups.
(Girardi knows deep in his heart that the Ponson will get harrassed less at Shea than at Yankee Stadium. Sad, but true.)
Game 1 Friday: Giese vs. Pelfrey ( Easy Yankee Win )
Game 2 Friday: Ponson vs. Martinez ( Battle of the washed ups…we eek out a W )
Saturday: Pettitte vs. Santana ( Andy comes through ! )
Sunday: Rasner vs. Perez ( Perez stinks it up a bit more than the RazzSter….completes the sweep ! )
Go Yankees !
“Why is Ponson starting at Shea Stadium? Girardi wouldn’t say. “Just the way I choose it,†he said.”
What should he have said? What difference does it make where Ponson starts?
What the beat writers got against Girardi? He’s not Torre but darn. Who is??
Who would pick up the check if Pavano, Farnsworth, Girardi, Igawa and Pete had dinner??
Mel—good point- ponson would get NO love at the stadium. it’s just a fact- just like they knew not to send pedro over to our house…
My thought exactly, Rebecca. No Ponson for me!
And why is everyone giving Pete a hard time. Should he not report that he asked Girardi why he laid out the rotation as he did? And should he not report the answer?
I can’t imagine why you pick on the poor guy. He does an AMAZING job with this blog.
Besides, isn’t coming to this blog all the time and bitching about Pete a bit ungrateful? Like eating all the food out of your neighbor’s fridge and then complaining about the quality of the neighbor’s food?
Hey Ray….Rat Boy is still Rat Boy ! ( just yankin’ yer chain, friend )….Have a great night !
Yup, what difference does it make which pitcher starts where on Friday?
Maybe Ponson is a mean hitter. Or has better night splits. Or maybe Girardi just likes Giese during day games ie last Sat.
Pete,
I suspect that they’re employing the same rationale I mentioned yesterday.
If Giese gets hit hard, Ponson comes in and does long relief in game 1 so the Yankee pen is not clobbered that day.
Game 2 then gets started by Karstens, who’d have to be in NYC to pull this off.
That’s my theory, at least.
I’m assuming that in this case, Pete was just suggesting that Ponson is getting the start in Shea because he stunk it up in his first go round with NY so they are choosing to not have his first start be a home game but that Giradi won’t come right out and say that. If that’s the case, of course he wouldn’t say that. I didn’t really interpret it as a dig at Girardi.
stuart:
You are a real bitter guy, huh?
yeah, maybe he’d rather Ponson get hurt running bases than Geise?
Why is Ponson starting in Shea? Because he’s kibble.
Why start him at the Stadium and, if he stinks it up, the crowd is all over him.
Better he starts on the road.
Trading Cano, if its a good deal, doesn’t derail getting younger because they would trade him for younger players.
Its not like I am proposing trading him for a 35 year old DH.
I must have missed when Hawkins was named Joba’s replacement for the 8th inning?
When did that happen? He isn’t Joba’s replacement in the bullpen. He’s a mop up guy.
It may be the time to dump Hawkins and bring up Robertson, but don’t assume that will be all peaches and cream.
Hawkins has been amazingly up and down. 6 outings account for almost all his bad numbers – strangely 3 were in Baltimore (he sucked when he pitched there for them too). In the 6, 5IP, 20 ER, 21 H, 2 K’s, ERA 36.00! His other 20 appearances – 27.1 IP, 2ER, 13 H, 16 K’s, 0.66 ERA. That said, its still stat cherry picking, you can’t count on him, so if he goes no big deal.
With Robertson, he’s been outstanding with a spectacular K rate. But his curve is his best pitch, and his BB rate is high. I wonder if hitters in the majors will lay off the curve, cutting his swings and misses, while umps won’t call them strikes for a rookie, elevating his high BB rate. Makes him a curve balling version of Bruney in ‘07. How he translates to the majors will be interesting, and worth the look. What’s he got to prove in AAA? But success is far from guaranteed.
I agree Rasner profiles better as a long reliever, and the jury on he and Giese is out. But elevating Aceves to me is premature. Only need a 5th starter once more after Friday until July 22. Let Giese and Rasner settle the 4th starter long relief role for a bit, let Aceves show himself a bit in AAA. He’s rocketed up the system just like Kennedy did last season – 2 guys who rely on fastball command without an overpowering one. Kennedy’s ‘07 outdid Aceves’ ‘08, particularly in K rate. Aceves is older, perhaps more evenkeeled. We just got Ponson as a (likely very) short term fill in, Kennedy has started his rehab, Karstens is rebounding from groin trouble. Don’t see the need to rush on Aceves now. But he remains a viable option in the mix. If the incumbents stumble, you try another guy. But I don’t see a desparate need to act today.
The Sox are without Ortiz their best player. They have lost their #2 starter and one of their kids has been terrible. The bullpen except for Papelbon is terrible. 8th inning in Boston? Terrible.
They don’t make excuses. They keep winning. Something we should learn from. Because we have the same problems.
D Rock, they lost their weekend series and may lose another series today…
“I must have missed when Hawkins was named Joba’s replacement for the 8th inning?
When did that happen? He isn’t Joba’s replacement in the bullpen. He’s a mop up guy.”
They didn’t sign Hawkins to a contract to be the mop up man. They signed him thinking he could eventually replace Joba in the 8th or give them the option.
Hasn’t turned out that well.
Then again Cashman and pitching moves really don’t go too well.
SJ44 is probably right about Ponson but starting Ponson in the second game does give the Yanks a small tactical advantage in game 1. The Yanks will need to make a roster move to activate Ponson. Playing Ponson in game 2 will let them avoid that for game 1. Of course, that assumes Matsui and Damon will not be DL’d and could play as DH in game 1 at the Stadium.
Saucy, my friend, what is their record? We should be doing what they are doing. No excuses and win.
When A-Rod went down it was a great excuse for all these to not hit.
Ortiz is the same to them. They also had Lowell go down for a month.
We should be ahead of them.
No doubt about the Sox are the best team in baseball. But we don’t need to kiss their behinds.
The Sox have a great record at home. They just broke double digit losses.
What makes it so hospitable for them?
Free Orr,
Hawkins was never the 8th inning guy. Never. Ever. Nobody in our outside the Yanks thought he was the 8th inning guy. I think you are the only one!
You can say they counted on Farnsworth (which is idiotic), or that they thought a kid (Melancon, Robertson, Cox, etc.) would step up. But I’ve never seen anyone anywhere talk about Hawkins that way. He’s not that guy.
Besides, you don’t get 8th inning guys for one year, $3.75 million. Ask the White Sox.
You can’t talk rationally to the trade Cano lobby here. They blame him for all the ills of this team when that is a laugh.
Perfect time to trade him. When he’s hitting 200!
Jesus. Have you not learned one thing from watching Cashman? He won’t trade young guys he thinks are all stars especially not for 50 cents on the dollar.
You don’t give up on someone with that kind of talent because he struggles. And you certainly don’t trade him for prospects.
Hawkins was signed to replace Vizcaino. They were about equal last year, and they are about equal this year.
Melky should never, ever lead off.
Tonight it doesn’t matter though, because Mr Chamberlain is going to dominate.
Mitch read what I wrote again.
I said he was an option out there in the pen when they signed him. Work with me here. Read and absorb before you run your mouth criticizing.
They didn’t sign Hawkins to mop up 10-0 games. He was an option out there for when they moved Joba which was happening and thankfully no matter what.
Who said kiss their butts? Just start playing to win no matter who’s hurt and who’s not playing.
Free Orr,
I read carefully. You wrote:
“They signed him thinking he could eventually replace Joba in the 8th or give them the option.”
I’m saying, nobody thought of him as an 8th inning guy. I remember Cashman explicitly saying he wasn’t an 8th inning guy.
So I am happy to stand by my “mouth running.”
I really wish Cano was the problem with this team. It would be so easy and we’d probably be 50-30 right now if that was the case.
The problem is pitching. It stinks. If Mo wasn’t out of this world and Mussina wasn’t grinding out wins this could have been real ugly.
I know Cashman and all of you think every one of these prospects is the next Sandy Koufax but he has to start improving the big league club at some point.
Pete: Heartwarming.
Well, Mitch, Cashman thought he was an option to fill the set up man role after Joba moved or he wouldn’t have signed him to that kind of deal.
Looking forward to a dominating performance from Joba tonight. I think this is the start where you see a line something like 8IP 3 hits 11 Ks. I think he’s due.
On a totally different subject, everyone always talks about various guys in the minors and how good they are and when they should be brought up.
No one talks about Juan Miranda like that, and people should. Yeah he was hurt for awhile but the guy can flat out hit. He’s been tearing up AAA for a few weeks now and….wait I’m checking just to be sure….he plays 1st base!!!! Some on this blog say his defense isn’t very good, well it has to be better than Giambi’s. Either way, this is a guy I want to see. He deserves a shot, both this year and I hope he is given the chance to win the starting job next year, whether they bring Giambi back or not.
In fact, I think that’ll be my slogan from now on.
Miranda in ‘09.
I just hope the Yankees can put the wallet away when Boras and Texiera come calling. Just close it Hank!
Giambi,Abreu,Mussina,Farnsworth, Pettitte, and Pavano off the books saves the team 81 MILLION. That doesn’t include one year contracts that will be off the books like Hawkins.
The 2009 FA class is not all that great in position players, and I don’t believe the Yankees will hand out a Santana deal to CC, or Ben Sheets.
Assuming your the GM, you want to get younger, you don’t want to top more than a 150 M payroll, and you want to spend the money on scouting and signing great prospects, look up the 2009 FA class and tell me who’d they sign and which minor leaguers will be on the active roster.
D Rock,
I know it doesn’t look like it, but the Yankees are trying to win. They may not be on the same page, but they’re not using the injuries as excuses. And they’re not trying to lose. As much as it looks like they are.
So I don’t get your point about the Sox doing it, etc. You don’t think that the Yankees are as sick as we are that they’re not taking advantage of Boston’s current struggles?
A Styx show?
Pittsburgh really is that bad.
Wrong. He was signed to replace Vizcaino.
Joba’s replacement for the 8th inning consisted of two guys. Farnsworth and Melancon, when he is ready.
That’s it. Hawkins was never in that mix.
He was signed to eat some innings (preferably the 7th inning) until the younger arms in the ‘pen were ready.
He was never considered an 8th inning replacement for Joba.
Sidney Ponson vs Pedro Martinez
Now that’s a marquee matchup. There’s really no one else down there that could start this game?
As bad as Perez has been this year he always pithes well against the Yankees and would not be suprised if he does it agin.
I am glad I get to see Giese again on Friday. Based on what he showed me on Saturday he deserves to pitch well andget a win at the STadium.
I’m not saying they are quitters, mel. I’m saying grab the cajones and beat the last place drecks of the world and don’t worry about who’s not here.
I won’t be a super fan and say everything is fine. Cos it’s not. The Sox have just as many issues as we do and we can’t make up any ground. Makes me sick.
BTW,
Olney believes the Yankees are odds on favorites to land CC in the off-season. He believes one reason why they won’t deal for him during the year is they don’t want to give up players AND money for him. He believes they have no problem giving up the money for CC.
Kay concurred and added, “I know the Yankees really like him and will pursue him heavily in the off-season”.
Take it for what its worth.
Why didn’t Pete tell us about how Edwar treated that kid, John Challis? I’m beginning to think you guys are right. He’s got it in for Edwar. Ha ha.
And styx clips? that might be grounds for a worker’s comp claim.
“Giambi,Abreu,Mussina,Farnsworth, Pettitte, and Pavano off the books saves the team 81 MILLION. That doesn’t include one year contracts that will be off the books like Hawkins.”
Flawed argument here. If you think for a second some of these guys aren’t going to be resigned you have your head buried in the sand.
My guess is at least 2 of those guys are back (probably 2 out of Giambi, Abreu, Mussina, and Pettitte). Some may be at lower salaries but to say 81 million is off the books is complete garbage.
And if they don’t resign those guys you need to find 2 starters, an outfielder, and a 1st baseman. There goes most of your 81 million. And don’t say for a second they are going to start Damon, Gardner, and Cabrera in the OF.
D Rock,
Sorry, I shouldn’t have even said anything. It’s clear that you have a problem with the Yankees, and not the fans. My bad.
But we really are sick of hearing about the Sox’s virtues. We hear it from ESPN all the time.
Don Vito A. Bellamo
June 25th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
“Hey Ray….Rat Boy is still Rat Boy ! ( just yankin’ yer chain, friend )….Have a great night !”
OK Vito….you will pay for that comment! Just kidding. I’m a little jealous of you guys tonight. You get to watch Joba pitch while we have the senior citizens…Randy Johnson and Wakefield.
You have a great night too.
Hawkins was signed as a late inning option. That means he was a candidate to take over the 8th if he pitched well, right???
What’s so hard to get from that?
And relying on a pitcher who has pitched 6 minor league innings and coming off major arm surgery isn’t what major league teams do.
SJ44-
You’re right about Hawkins replacing Vizcaino but the standard often repeated winter line was that Chamberlain’s initial bullpen stint would provide time for someone to forward to replace him. The heir apparent might have been Farnsworth, and the Yanks probably did want to give him the first opportunity, but at least publicly the door was ajar for Hawkins.
I think we all realized after they passed on Santana that Sabathia for free and the same money was better than 4 prospects and money.
Even if they are throwing away this year with the Rasners and Ponsons starting big games.
SJ44,
So along those lines, Shapiro stating there will be no window (if this holds true) helps the Yankees chances, no? And the union pushing C.C. to pursue FA (if this is true) helps as well, no?
“And don’t say for a second they are going to start Damon, Gardner, and Cabrera in the OF.”
This is the same GM who said Bubba Crosby was going to start in CF.
I wouldn’t believe a word from him.
No, he wasn’t an 8th inning option. That’s not why he was signed and the Yankees themselves made that clear when he was signed.
He was signed to a 1 year contract to be a bridge to getting to the 8th inning, while the younger guys were developing. That’s it.
Nobody on the Yankees, or anywhere else, considers LeTroy Hawkins an 8th inning guy.
They also wanted Troy Percival but Percival wanted to close. If they signed him, they would have moved Farnsworth back to the 7th inning role and had Percival set up Mo. He ended up going to Tampa for less money because he was promised the closers role in Tampa.
Melancon’s performance in Hawaii, like Joba’s the year before, put him in the mix for second half work this season in the Yankees minds.
Shapiro will take the 2 draft picks and walk on. Why trade now? It’s not like he’s scared of the White Sox. Why blow it up especially when no one will give up premium prospects for a rental.
Catchers-don’t need
1st-Teixeira only FA under 30 but represented by Boras and don’t think Yankees will waste money on 1st baseman
2nd-Orlando Hudson if Cano get’s traded
SS-Furcal or Orlando Cabrera if you move Jeter to 2nd
3rd-Joe Crede, if you move A-Rod to 1st
RF-Milton Bradley
CF-Mark Kotsy but he’s 33
LF-Adam Dunn- too expensive, can’t field, another DH that we don’t nee with Matsui and Damon still signed thru 2009.
These are some of the better younger position players who are FA’s without club options for 2009.
Does anyone of this group really interest you?
Who in the minors will be ready, as a position player? Gardner?
Hope Kennedy pitches well.
peter no non non non no nononono no dont do it
Ok, so if Hawkins had an ERA at 2 and good K/BB numbers he wouldn’t be given the keys to the 8th inning right now?
Really??? How come???
If you say so, and you are obviously an expert, it seems.
I suppose with Wang out, Ponson, Rasner and Giese if they pitch well are in the mix with others to step up and become the Yankees Ace. When none of these guys become an Ace can we look forward to Free Orr telling us that it didn’t work out well?
I find it hard to believe that if Hawkins were pitching to a 2.00 ERA and a 1.00 WHIP he wouldn’t be the set-up guy. I think SJ44 is overstating the case. It’s fair to say Hawkins would have exceeded expectations had he emerged as the 8th inning guy, but not to say he wasn’t an option.
Mel,
Everything I have heard recently is that no matter what happens with CC this year, he’s going to declare for free agency.
If that’s the case, I can understand why Shapiro won’t have a negotiating window for him.
I can also understand why the Yankees will pass on him during the trade period.
There is going to be too much pressure coming from the Union for CC not to declare for free agency.
That’s how it works. The Union is always going to try and set the bar high (money-wise) because they are in the business of getting the most money they can get for their players.
They also know the Tigers will offer CC the moon.
A lot of people in baseball think that if CC is traded at all, it will be to Milwaukee. The Brewers believe they can win this year if they had another horse at the front of the rotation along with Sheets.
They also have prospects the Indians like and can absorb the loss of a few of them in a deal.
Time will tell, of course.
As of today though, Olney says CC has not been put on the market.
O/T, but I’m watching Kevin Love on PTI. He’s very articulate, intelligent, and motivated. He’d be a great face for any franchise. Sigh.
Sorry, Free Orr, you beat me to it.
Also, Pete, it can’t possibly be that bad.
I mean. It could be the American Idols tour.
I hope the Yankee Trader thing was a joke.
I’m sure in the Yankees perfect world Ohlendorf would have established himself early as a dominating set up man and taken the job right away.
No, I’m not an expert. You came on here saying Cashman signed Hawkins to be Joba’s replacement. That is incorrect. Yet, you still opine about it, using example (the what if’s) to support your argument.
Even the what ifs don’t support your argument.
While not an expert, I do understand how compensation works in the game.
Scott Linebrink set the pay scale for 8th inning guys in the off-season with his 4 year, 19 million dollar deal.
The way baseball works, you are paid for your possible roles on a team. Your salary is then compared to guys in the same position as you are and the negotiating begins.
If Hawkins was thought of as the 8th inning guy for the Yankees, he would have gotten a multi-year deal for close to Linebrink Money. He didn’t get that. In fact, he didn’t get a multi-year offer from anybody.
He wasn’t the 8th inning guy last year on a World Series team. Its a role he has never had and wasn’t going to have with the Yankees. That was clear by the offer and the role the Yankees laid out for him this season.
I think Joba will bring about a win even if he doesn’t get it himself.
I hope Pete finds out the answer to whether Moeller will be able to catch when Rasner pitches. How many times have we seen a pitcher pitch great with one catcher and terrible with another. Get over it Girardi. Play to win don’t try to appease Jorge’s feelings.
You can’t say only 2 pitchers were options and 1 of them was a rookie coming off major surgery. It’s stupid.
They’ve thrown relievers against the wall since March hoping one or two stick. That was the plan since they didn’t want to spend money on FA ie Linebrink, Dotel, Mahay.
Veras looks decent. Ramirez is not long for the Bronx. Ohlendorf really needs some time in Scranton. Traber is terrible. Ditto Hawkins. So you hit and miss until the Melancons, Cox’s, Robertsons, Marquez’s and Hornes, are ready to move to the Bronx.
I’m not sure why this is difficult to comprehend. Hawkins was not signed to BE the 8th inning guy after Joba transitioned to the bullpen.
IF Hawkins had performed differently this season, of course he would get consideration for that role now that there’s a void — why not?
Also, it is highly likely that the Joba timetable was moved up do to the Hughes/Kennedy ills.
Does that not all compute?
I’d also like Pete’s opinion on whether he thinks Jeter is in some kind of permanent decline. We all know Jeter is capable of playing hurt and never saying a word. So it’s tough to figure what’s going on. All I know is he is pretty bad this season compared to what he is usually about.
And Miggs- You missed my point. I’m not saying that some of those players won’t be resigned, because looking at the FA class of position players and what’s in the minors, who will replace Giambi or Abreu. Gardner and Miranda? I’m saying that I don’t think they will hand out Santana type deals of 6 years to a lefty pitcher like CC, unless Boston start to show interest, then the Yankees will play along, till they can get him signed in the NL, much like they did with Santana, and Randy Johnson, when he went to the Astros, from Seattle.
All I said was that Hawkins was signed to give the Yanks an option to pitch the 8th inning if he pitched well.
Since Cashman likes having options out there and all. It was a good risk on a 1 yr deal. But you are nuts if you think they would keep him in the 7th if he was pitching great right now.
Now it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure out roles are based on who does well and who doesn’t.
But Hawkins certainly wasn’t signed to mop up. Igawa could do that and they already pay him.
And know your history. Hawkins was a terrific 8th inning guy in his prime.
“due to the…” I meant, of course.
Pete, seriously, it’s not that awful. It could be sooo much worse!
I’m betting they had Joba’s timetable lined up from the day the season ended last year. They are way too careful with young pitchers to be doing major decisions like that on the fly.
No chance of that.
What was the downside? If Hughes and IPK are going great you add another high talent to it. And if they are going poorly(which turned out to be right) you add an arm without trading and you give the strugglers a breather.
Game time. Let’s get a W for Joba the Starter. Peace.
Sure thing, Free Orr.
I hope they aren’t trying to scare Joba with Mr. Roboto.
So is Andy gonna pinch hit tonight? LOL.
As for the pitching matchups vs the Mets, I’m guessing Ponson1LegAtATime is getting the start in Shea cause it’s more of a pitchers park? None of those matchups favor us extremely heavily, ugh…but at least Pettitte is the one going against Santana.
also, though I’m sure this has been discussed to death, I’d like to hereby express my disapproval at Melky hitting leadoff rather than giving Christian a chance. But at least this way Jeter won’t be able to GIDP, since Melky likely won’t get on base! sigh.
Pete,
You sort of read like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day (”we made love like sea otters. THAT was a pretty good day!”).
Ohhhhh my science we need a pitcher!!!!!
…I was rooting for the same side as Mo!
You guys have no idea how happy this makes me! It’s like if Neil Gaiman said he was a Yankee fan.
Hey look! A baserunner person thingie! What do we do with him?
Derek says stfu to all those haters
Sometimes the first pitch is the best one to swing at.
Ok, I’ve got to say it again, the pittsburgh broadcast has great camera ops. They might even make up for their announcers.
More then saying yankees need a pitcher, do you thiink we could come up with a time table when one would be traded for. After all star break? Trade deadline? Next week we make a deal? Whats everyones feelings?
I think the Yankees also lead the league in infield hits that don’t advance baserunners.
Nick, I’d be shocked if they didn’t.
What will happen here..
Well done A-rod..
Hey look! Some run thingies! I like this run thingies. PLZ CAN I HAZ SUM MAUR?!
we better get a run out of this inning… I’ll be pissed if they eff up this opportunity again…
The mets claimed our old friend Andy Phillips.
http://tinyurl.com/3u44vk
great hard slide by Alex to prevent that double play
Great takeout slide by Rodriguez earns two runs.
Yeah, great baserunning by Alex. He is the man.
“SJ44, I haven’t seen you put Pedroia down, but your description of what you would like to see at second base seems to fit Pedroia.”
I don’t see that many people putting Pedroia down.
p.s. Ive been told that Pedroia has gone from being a decent guy to a jerk over the past year so there may be reason to dislike him. But he is a solid 2b on the field.
That’s ALL A-Rod!! I don’t care what anyone says. Call him “bush league” whatever…. he plays hard! He knows how important this game is.
Damned. Sweet plsy by Wilson, huh?
The Mets claimed Andy Phillips:
http://tinyurl.com/3u44vk
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....amp;ATT=49
A rod always plays hard
The Mets claimed Andy Phillips:
tinyurl.com/3u44vk
go d’backs
Wilson giveth and then he taketh away.
I love how Wilson has a horrible relay throw to first base which yields two runs, but then makes a good play the Pirates announcers are all about the cake references.
Kay is suck a butthole
Still doesn’t change the fact that Giambi basically hit into an inning-ending double play.
I’d like to see that ball get out of the infield with the bases loaded……someday.
Joba time
I think what people forget about Hawkins is that at one point or another, he’s filled about any role a pitcher can. He’s never been a stud and didn’t come with high expectations. He wasn’t expected to take on a key setup man role. He just was expected to eat innings and be part of the bullpen mix. He hasn’t done well as hoped but you have to judge him against realistic expectations. Hawkins is a sunk cost. DFAing doesn’t get us anything but a roster spot.
I like the idea of him as the long man. He can eat innings when a starter gets knocked out early and maybe if he sticks in that role long enough, give a spot start if someone can’t make one. We’ve been missing that role all year. Hawkins has been a starter as well as a reliever. I’m not suggesting he should be considered for the starting rotation even given our current needs but is there any real reason to think that Rasner or Karstens or Giese would be better in that role?
Like someone else mentioned, he hasn’t been good this year but his stats are a little misleading because of how dreadfully bad a few outings were where he stayed in the game and took one for the team and got really knocked around.
80 mph??
You can’t even watch the YES gun anymore.
Havent read the comments, someone probably mentioned this already…
The mets signed Andy Phillips.
Let’s hope A-Rod didn’t get hurt on that play
I wish Michael Kay would stop trying to jinx Joba.
Also, nice inning.
lol, Waldman saying that when she asked M to the Z if he was playing today, his response was, “cmon, you think I can get around on Joba’s fastball?” hahaha, gotta love it.
Is Joba hurt?
BBB: M to the Z, I love it!
Every time Joba makes a start it becomes more and more clear how silly the whole “8th inning” argument was/is.
I mean look at the difference between today and yesterday. I know its only one inning. But Joba’s presence on the mound, his stuff, the swings the hitters are getting. Compare that to Darrell Rasner (who I’m a fan of, by the way) and his start yesterday.
Its like night and day.
Rebecca: Much easier than typing out all the letters in between!
am i the only one who wants joba to just put the bat down and not swing or run?
I bet if you could start 5 Jobas in your rotation you could have a bullpen of Farnsworth and Hawkins clones and still win 100 games with a decent offense.
Nice, Joba, make this punk work.
….Wow.
Our pitchers work the count better than our hitters.
Look at Joba go, working the count here!
they like walking our pitchers
LMAO
Who else wants to see Joba steal 2nd?
Is it sad that our pitcher is a better hitter than Melky?
Wow.
Joba just made Melky look like a total scrub with the bat by comparison! Perhaps he and Ras can spend some time working with Melkster and Cano this weekend on plate patience?
It’s amusing, to say the least.
hopefully joba doesnt trip over his chins running the bases
Yeah, is true Joba should play CF, while he pitches every 5th day.
what is interesting is that Duke was afraid to throw Joba fastballs…
he walked him because he tried to get cute and throw offspeed pitches.
test
C’mon Giambi. You’re not makin any All-Star votes there.
Joba. let’s get some outs here.
i guess with our injuries in the OF it’s too much to ask Abreu to dive for one….
Uh oh. Come on Joba
ugh, cheap hits
I thought Christian was supposed to be fast, why didn’t HE catch that?
it’s kind of funny watching hitters get so fooled by Joba’s curveball especially since he hasn’t thrown it very well at all.
If a hitter ever were afforded to luxury of sitting curveball, they’d smash it. Thankfully his fastball doesn’t allow for that.
Oi, these Pittsburgh tv guys whine about every pitch!
afforded the* luxury
They were driving me crazy last night, Mel.
I just about had an accident when I had the Pittsburgh home radio call of Bautista’s HR last night.. the announcer actually said “go ball go” on its way out.
“go ball go?” Ack. Cheese factor x 12.
Well done, Bobby, throwing AWAY from the wall.
wow Abreu makes an accurate throw….
nice of them to make the last out for us
Hahaha, who is the third base coach for the Pirates? Dude either needs to be fired or drug screened.
NICE THROW BOBBY!!!
Angel, lol.
Nice throw, Bobs!
oh boy,
just like Rasner, looks like teams/scouts have already figured out Joba
“Maholm” sounds like a Passover greeting the way Kay says it.
Hey ER you remind me of Debbie Downer on Saturday Night Live!
yea they figured him out…3 singles 1 one of them was a blooper that could have been caught with a better read…sure thing
yea they figured him out…3 singles 1 one of them was a blooper that could have been caught with a better read…sure thing
It would be nice to add to the lead here.
LOL @ Maholm the Passover greeting. On the same subject, this isn’t my brainchild but it’s very true – doesn’t “Pedroia” sound like something one might catch off a dirty toilet seat at a NJ Turnpike rest stop?
Also, isnt Maholm the one who almost let Billy Crystal get on base in ST?
and Jack Wilson giveth some more…thanks bro!
Ok Bobbyster
Team’s still looking mighty clutch with RISP.
“Hey ER you remind me of Debbie Downer on Saturday Night Live!”
that’s because he is a troll
for every popup – arod should deduct $1 mil from his salary and donate it to me.
Can someone get Jeter home?
Yeah, why isn’t Jeter taking a bigger lead?
Nevermind, he must have heard me.
haha look how close Jeter is to home, thanks to the shift.
Do it, Jeter!
Jete’s having fun with the pitcher, lol
thank you shift
The power of the stache has not faded.
I was getting worried that it’s mystical powers might have ended but I can rest peacefully now.
i predict posada homers here.
Thank you ’stache
Dude, Jeter and A-Rod are both oozing intangibles today. A-Rod with the hard slide, Jeter making Duke chase him back to 3b lol, getting in his head. And this is why they’re both perennial All-Stars!
COME ON CANOSTER.. EARN SOME RESPECT FROM THE BLOG
well… at least it was in play.
good job cano. way to take a pitch there.
Every time Jason Giambi goes 1st to 3rd on a single, an angel gets her wings.
Cano should be fined and/or humiliated everytime he swings at the first pitch.
“well… at least it was in play.”
That’s actually his problem. I’d rather he strike out than ground out weakly on the first pitch.
let me guess… it just didn’t find the gap right cano? … maybe it didn’t fall? … no luck perhaps? Or maybe you’re just sucking…
I rest easy with Joba on the mound. Andy most of the time. Moose basically always. Who does that leave? Okay Rasner needs a preview with another catcher before I abandon ship with him but it has been rough waters.
Does Ponson’s start mean Giese is done?
Cabo would’ve taken a pitch.
sunny, please shut up.
Or change your name to cloudy.
Maybe Girardi can attach like a shock collar on Cano for when he swings at the first pitch, he gets electrocuted. Might teach him well.
andy Phillips? real fishy with the Yanks coming to Shea end off the week. If the Mets want to make good headlines they need to win
…well at least he didn’t walk him!
I want my wings then.
Joba was just teasing him with a potential walk
“Cano is hitting .393/.433/.500 dating back to his pinch-hit appearance after being benched.”
That’s my post earlier today.
Yankee Trader -
Your stipulations are too tight. The $81MM cut is actually $90MM, taking the Yanks down to $118 MM.
They aren’t going to hold to a $150 MM payroll. With the luxury tax threshold at $162 MM in ‘09, they don’t have to. They can go to $180 MM and cut their lux tax bill by at least $14 MM from ‘08. So that’s $62 MM to spend – with $42MM+ from payroll and lux tax cuts in the bank compared to ‘08 and new Stadium revenues coming, so they’ll go higher for the right guys.
Contract increases are $8.25 MM and Wang, Melky, and Betemit will be in arb years. That’ll take it down to about $47MM. Need 1 good SP, maybe another to compete for 4-5 slot, maybe lefty RP, maybe another RP if no one steps up to set up role, 1B, RF. Can’t go top market at all spots, but could add some nice players. Add $10MM to the mix and Teixeria and Sabathia or Sheets are well within reach.
lordy, 9 pitch at bat for Morgan
Nice pirouette, Giambi.
lol Angel, consider yourself winged!
Giambi is like a ballerina
jason is so graceful isnt he?
a Yankee… bunting for a hit???
nice!
Giambi reminds me of Meathead from ‘All In The Family’ with that stache of his.
Haha, Joba looks so funny batting.
Can he steal on the 1st pitch and let Joba take one?
there’s his speed
I guess not.
Decent bunt by Joba. Impressive.
Can Joba bunt?
should have let Christian steal 2nd, then bunt him to 3rd
What a beaut, Justin.
Yes he can
Nice bunts all around.
Holy crap . What is the world coming to. We have a guy with speed…..
Joba survives the sacrifice bunt!
I guess David Wright really did need a day off. Forgetting that Bautista is the pitcher for Seattle he has hit 2 HR already tonigt
fyi George Carlin fans hbo2 is showing his specials tonight and tomorrow night.
Pete, your mancrush on Bruce is getting embarrassing! Styx was a joke in the 80’s, but the’Grand illusion’ from the 70’s was outstanding.
I guess the reports of Jeter’s death were vastly exaggerated here.
Another double!!! Go Captain!!
“Forgetting that Bautista is the pitcher for Seattle he has hit 2 HR already tonigt”
I don’t think the fact that Batista is pitching can be overlooked. The Mets will score double digits tonight…
I should talk smack about Jeter more often. I did today, and look how he rewards me!
Abreu really is struggling. If and when Damon’s back healthy, I wouldn’t mind Christian spelling Abreu a few games.
I know these guys love to use the teleprompter, but how many different ways to show the stupid holes on the mound?
Way to go, Jetes.
Don’t let the naysayers get to you. Even on the days you don’t hit, you have a beautiful girl to comfort you. They’re just jealous.
Look at that. An athlete with speed manufacturing a run. We need more of these guys. Bring up Gardner!!!
I’m sure others have noticed…But it sure is nice to see the hits with RISP – with two outs even – after the debacle yesterday.
Well I see the “Real” Yankees decided to show up today and send home the imposters that were here yesterday. I KNEW those players yesterday weren’t the real Yankees.
man, so much good fundamental baseball…. basically the complete opposite of yesterday
Jeter having good night tonight
After Jeter caught up on the LuHud game thread last night, he thought things through and sent that Friday Night Lights hussy back home.
I don’t know if this is a fluke but I am liking Christian so far.
Hey Someone Else – bite me
This guy has an obsession with landing areas.
you don’t like my posts – feel free not to read them
…Is it me or is tonight like night and day?
sfill a fluke that you’re liking Christian or a fluke that he’s playing well? Ha ha ha.
Anyone here go on many cruises? If yes what’s the best cruise line?
Thanks.
Yanks two best Baby Bombers, Tabata is 2-2 with a double and 2 RBI and Jackson is 0-1 with a Sac Fly
GB: Brandon would be very proud of our Juvenile Delinquent
I have to say, I really enjoyed my time on the Royal Carribean line. Just be aware that cruise employees make their $$ from tips. So be sure you have lots on hand and after the cruise to tip everyone from your waiter to the room attendant.
NBA trades already. Jermaine O’neal to Toronto.
Mel I completely agree with you about these Pirate announcers. They also seem to be hooked on the “k zone” and show it during almost every at bat, especially when a questionable call goes against Pittsburgh.
Nick in SF – what hussy is that? I’m so out of touch with the news of the day.
Thanks Sunny. Never been on one but we’re planning to go. Do you tip daily or just at the end?
Yes he would, Rebecca. once he gets rolling, he and Jackson are an impressive back to back duo.
Royal Carribean is amazing, i did a 7 days on freedom of the seas ship. My girlfriend at the time made a few of the days bad.. But it still was amazing cruise… i wanna go again soon
The past three games Joba has almost been a completely different pitcher each start.
Two games ago he threw a lot of two seam sinking fastballs.
Last game it was almost all four seam fastballs and sliders.
So far tonight he’s used his change up and curve ball much more. He’s already thrown 5 change ups tonight through 4 innings including the pitch he struck McClouth out on.
He’s still feeling his way as a starting pitcher. But its so impressive that one pitcher can pitch effectively using three very different approaches towards getting hitters out.
Very few pitchers in baseball can do that kind of thing.
They calculate your tips for you, you just pay it at the end… Had the most amazing dinner servers, the freedom of the seas cruise director was also amazing..
wow the NBA isn’t wasting time.
Mark, I’ve been on Princess and Carnival and both were great. Princess was better quality and pricier so you get what you pay for. I was told and read a lot of reviews that said to stay away from Royal.
Just got in and was listening on radio. Only John Sterling can make me appreciate Michael Kay!
Rebecca,
Ex-Net Nesterovic was involved in the trade.
T.J BEAM SIGHTING. T.J BEAM SIGHTING.
Royal Caribbean it is then. I’m going with my girlfriend. I hope we go at a time her hormones aren’t acting crazy. I might have to throw her overboard!
Joe, I forget her name, but someone was talking about it on here last night as an excuse why Jeter was slumping. I’ve never watched the show. But she’s a pretty young brunette.
ump squeezing Joba a bit on that 4th ball…
Wish we had an innings eater like Miguel Batista…
Just kidding, randy l!
I loved Royal Caribbean… good time and great food
Uh oh. Just read Marc’s post. I was hoping not to get conflicting opinions!
mark -
you don’t tip daily (only if you go out on excursions) it’s all clustered at the end of the cruise. They hand out envelopes on the last day and you leave them in your suite or hand them off at the counter. You pay for nothing (except for liquor) and it’s all tips at the end. The food was fantastic and you want for nothing. Excursions of course are extra, but usually you pay for those in advance of booking your cruise (when you decide on packages they offer). The suite you choose has some bearing. If your clausterphobic, I’d recommend paying extra for a luxury suite because anything else than that is basically a closet with a bed squeezed in it and a bathroom.
Just in case this hasn’t been said yet tonight…
Joba Chamberlain is a scary man-beast.
mel: Name doesn’t ring a bell.
That looked like it hit the bat.
Just read some reviews and go with what you think tells you the most Marc. Everyone has a different experience.
Nick, it’s a pretty good show – even apart from the eye candy – if it ever gets back on TV.
horrible trade for Toronto, IMO
2yrs/$44M and a significant injury risk, not to mention he hasn’t played as well as he once did when “healthy”
Mark
Wow Orlando Hudson just made an amazing play. I loved watching the guy play when he was with Toronto.
“Joba Chamberlain is a scary man-beast.”
not according to our resident troll, ER.
I believe he said the Pirate hitters had “figured him out”
Nesterovic was never a Net; he was a Timberwolf, then Spur, then Raptor…and now a Pacer?
Rebecca,
This guy:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....b_nynmlb_1
Minka Kelly, that was the name.
Marc tho has a point – you do get what you pay for – no matter what cruise line you choose. So keep that in mind when booking your cruise.
“Wow Orlando Hudson just made an amazing play. I loved watching the guy play when he was with Toronto.”
maybe you can love watching him play in NY if Cano doesn’t get his act together. He’s a free agent this coming offseason.
That’s one thing that would make a Cano trade feasible. They can sign a quality replacement like Hudson as a free agent.
Sunny funny you should say that. I am claustrophbic especially when my girlfriend is on a tear!
From Petes’ Article;
“Tough night for the “Derek Jeter Is Washed Up†cabal. Two doubles crushed to center and 3 for 3 with two runs scored so far. He’ll be hitting .315 before you know it and will score 100 runs.”
I hope to heck you are right Pete! We all (I think) like Jeter and wish him good luck. But his proclivity for DPs in critical situations is justification for some concern and criticism even for Captin Jeter. Good luck Jete! 27/08?
Wakefield one hitting the Backs going to the 6th. Sox 1-0 so far. Wakefield at 81 pitches, RJ at 89.
Blargh,
Then What’s-his-name-ovic that used to play for the Nets? Euro big man often injured?
in that case mark – you might also want to get a cabin that’s right next to a exit to the deck. Nothing like a quick getaway…
Wakefield has pitched to just one over the minimum through 6. Way to make him work Arizona… ugh.
as Eric Byrnes swings into an out on a 3-0 count. not like they need baserunners….
How is Arizona not hitting Wakefield?
Also, GO FRESNO STATE!
Hopefully Joba can go 6 IP tonight and finish strong next inning. It seems like he gets better everytime he goes out there.
I don’t want to freak anyody out, but Barry Zito has pitched 5 shutout innings in Cleveland to bring his ERA below 6.00.
Joba is eligible for the win. Finally made it through 5.
Joba has that marquee quality. The old stadium was “The House that Ruth built”, I’m thinking the new one will be known as “The House that Joba built.”
I need to trademark that pronto!
Put Joba back in the 8th inning spot.
Some more runs would be nice to have
It’s all about customer services with cruise lines, they will work their best because as someone else said. they make their money on tips. The better you are treated, the more you want to give them right? I loved my waiters and even more cabin guy. EVERYTIME you see someone, they say hello to you. It’s amazing, and even better your personal people go out of their way, well they did for my cruise.. They go out of their way to make sure everything is perfect for you. I had never experienced anything like it. I thought i was royalty with how i was treated.
Sunny ha ha! Not to offend anyone here but she can have those once a month moodswings where she goes from angel to axemurderer in no time flat.
TJ BEAM! I don’t know why I’m amused. I just know I am.
Nenad Krstic
“NBA trades already. Jermaine O’neal to Toronto.”
Wow, I can’t believe this trade actually went through. I found it so ludicrous when I read it, I naturally assumed it was unfounded rumors. Toronto got punked, Jermaine has looked done for some time now.
Hopefully this doesn’t mean that this nonsense about my Miami Heat’s rumored deal with Minnesota also has some truth to it. If I see Beasley’s smiling photograph with another team’s jersey tomorrow night I am really gonna be upset. This is our 1 chance to become contenders again quickly, don’t mess it up Riles! Man I’m nervous, lol.
holy crap – is that our ol’ TJ Beam??!?
Nick, I’m freaking out.
“I don’t want to freak anyody out, but Barry Zito has pitched 5 shutout innings in Cleveland to bring his ERA below 6.00.”
Isn’t this one of the signs of the apocalypse?
Rebecca,
I have seen over and over again that either Wakefield with the knuckleball is either very hittable or very tough. Seems tough tonight with Arizona only having one hit through six innings.
Heh, Robbie hit that just because I told my potential boyfriend I’d go to fanfest with him.
Trade Cano Now! He is at maximum value.
Robinson with the homerun. Must have heard those trade rumors today.
Hello Justin Christian!
that was a beautiful swing
So THAT’s why we got rid of TJ Beam…!!!
Man have I missed TJ Beam!!!
Cano HR-another sign of the apocalypse?
No! I don’t want to hit HR off Rowand Atkins. Poor TJ.
Also,the reports of Cano’s death were vastly exaggerated here too.
Well here’s a good sign. Our resident Red Sox fan is here and not with his homeboys and the Yankees are still winning.
Maybe this will be the year the Yankees break the curse of the Republican President in office thingy.
If I had a nickel for every “give Beam important innings” comments here last year I’d be Bill Gates.
Phew. I’m glad Joba won’t be running the bases.
Joba almost got a hit
“I don’t want to freak anyody out, but Barry Zito has pitched 5 shutout innings in Cleveland to bring his ERA below 6.00.”
I thought baseball was 9 innings? Who cares he is still the worst contract ever.
Mark, (from 8:20 pm)
I meant to say I wonder if it’s a fluke that he is doing well – can we expect this in future games? He would be a nice back up to have when damon or hideki can’t be in the game.
I didn’t know Giese was pitching again. So then who’s odd man out at this point???
Dude, Joba smoked that ball!
I love when pitchers handle the bat well. It makes me lol.
Thanks, Blargh. Wow, I was off. By about 20 syllables.
That really offended me, Mark.
But only because you used my name in it.
Maybe Cano’s disease will rub off on Melky!
The moral of the story. Give enough time to separate slump from stink.
“So then who’s odd man out at this point???”
No ones out. They need an extra pitcher because of the doubleheader Friday.
Andy Phillips picked up by the Mets? Good for Andy. Though I hope he stinks against us.
Angel ha ha ha! Okay try it this way. She would go from sweeheart to satan in no time flat!
Pat so does Ponson go back down after the game?
Depends what Rasner does
T.J BEAM SHOWING SIGNS OF 2006 YANKEES
HALLELUJAH
ALL WE NEED IS A BOMB NOW TO COMPLETE THE CIRCLE OF LIFE
One of the best players on the Yankees. Bobby Abreu.
Bobby – 2 homeruns in 2 nights
THE CIRCLE OF LIFE HAS NOW BEEN COMPLETE
YES!!!
HEY BOBBY! I love these run thingies!
Yeah Bobby! What slump?
Bobby!!!
That was a monster!!
Where was this team yesterday???
Nice!!!!
I’m guessing either Rasner or Ponson goes to the pen as long man depending on who does what with their start.
Yay TJ Beam! Thank God he’s a pirate.
Meanwhile, I really hope theres not some post somewhere on the interwebs with my name attatched to it advocating the Yankees’ regular use of TJ Beam…
Rasner pretty much did all he could. He’s a long reliever.
Nice performance offense – get Joba that win!
“either Wakefield with the knuckleball is either very hittable or very tough”
It looked, from the few pitches I saw, that Wakefield’s knuckleball was a bit slower than usual but with a little more movement. I’m not sure if it’s just the NESN gun, but it’s usually somewhat accurate.
It also seems like he’s controlling it much better than usual. Add to that the fact that Arizona has a ton of young, impatient hitters and its a recipe for a Wakefield gem.
I guess the pirates fans now know what we felt like with Hawkins on the mound yesterday.
Interesting. I could deal with having a long man in the pen. We forget that Hughes and Kennedy are lurking somewhere in the season. The pitching staff could get mighty crowded.
nothing brings an offense to life like TJ Beam.
or Latrine Hawkings.
Fo-Fo you could be right about Rasner. I’m still thinking about what Singleton said on the FAN today though. Rasner started having trouble when Jorge came back and started catching him. All his gems were with Moeller.
What’s that saying? You can never have too much starting pitching.
Ponson is a joke, I can’t believe this moron is playing for the Yankees again. My gf is from Aruba and tells me about what a jerkoff this guy is on the island. He thinks he’s hot stuff because he’s one of the only pro athletes from the area (Andruw Jones is from neighboring Carousel).
I prey he leaves his unfounded ego and stuborness at the door for the Yankees but don’t count on it. If I were a betting man I’d say he gets roped against the Mets and we never hear from him again.
anyone saw the poll up on mlb.com it siads
Who is baseball’s best pitcher under age 25?
Edinson Volquez
Felix Hernandez
Tim Lincecum
why isnt joba there?
Good for Andy, I wish him luck.
Nice guy
“The pitching staff could get mighty crowded.”
What a nice problem to have.
Whoever waS asking about cruises I have been on about 6 go every holiday season. First one was on Carnival (was still in college) would not recommnd itat all all the others have been either Celebrity or Holand America and all were great been to almost every Carribean Island as well as Hawaii. They are by far the best vacations and when you thunk about it most cost effective as well. where else can you go away for more than 7 days, my cruise to Hawaii was 15 and when you calculate it actually save money as compared to a land vacation.
This year going on Celbrity and going to Cncun, Panama, Costa Rica, COlumbia and Grand Cayman
Ah the wall, Bobby’s old nemesis returns.
Pete:
Yes Arroyo sucks but you’ll be wanting a trade after Rasner,Giese and Ponson next turn.
I want to see Joba face the Tigers,Indiands and Red Sox Line-up before saying anything of future Ace but he does look good at the moment.Hopefully he keeps it up.
what the hell is this Pete lovefest for Bronson Arroyo? he isn’t a savior look at his stats!? O_O
I know there was a lot of trade Cano talk earlier in the day. Is there any possibility these rumors are being planted by the Yankees to motivate Cano. You cannot hold the contract out as a carrot, so maybe trade rumors are a stick.
I don’t know how Doumit hits that ball so well unless he was able to pick up Joba’s changeup out of his hand.
96mph fastball followed by an 83mph change. he left it up, but still…. he hit that well.
Is air fare part of the deal or is it separate? Or does it depend on the cruise line?
Nice catch Melky. Maybe feeling pressure from Christian will help get him going. I do hope so, I love the kid and want him to hit.
It might be because this is his … what – 4th start? I don’t even know if he qualifies with IP.
Holy Fresno State.
Nice work by Joba. He’s at 98 pitches. Wonder how much longer he’ll pitch.
That pitch right there shows his worth. 97mph on his 100th pitch.
MoBoy, have you watched Joba pitch? He is not just our future ace, he is our ace right now.
For those of you who don’t get the Arroyo reference, it is because Mike Fatcessa has been calling for the Yankees to get him for a month. He’s an idiot.
BUZZ:
Joba has only 5 starts against the crap heap of the N.L.
Felix and Lincecum ave shown ACe stuff more then 1 year.
“Andruw Jones is from neighboring Carousel”
or Curacao.
6 shutout innings against the 5th best offense in the majors? Nicely done, Joba.
“I thought baseball was 9 innings?”
They aren’t kidding when they say LoHud posters know baseball!
For crying out loud, I hope that you realize that Pete is being SARCASTIC about Arroyo.
Joba! Nice outing from him
ge0 it is called sarcasm.
I don’t believe there were trade rumors that were based in any kind of fact. They just signed Cano for a pretty sum. They know what he’s capable of. They know what kind of player he is. Only fans go nuts when a player is playing below par. The team knows what they have there.
for any who missed the point, Pete was being sarcastic.
“the 5th best offense in the majors? ”
Really? wow – who knew?
Jeff NJ:
He’s shown promise but hey people thought Hughes was gonna win 12-15 games.Thats crazy.Lets have these kids work through this stuff not be PLan B of our rotation.
“If only the Yankees had Bronson Arroyo instead.”
LOL
“The Yankees desperately need a pitcha, someone like Bronson Arroyo”-Mike Francesa WFAN
“BUZZ:
Joba has only 5 starts against the crap heap of the N.L.
Felix and Lincecum ave shown ACe stuff more then 1 year.”
Lincecum has only really been solid for half of a season. And what about Volquez?
Joba should be in the discussion. Not saying he deserves to win that vote, but he should be on the ballot.
Doumit can hit any fastball. Would love to see NYY get him to play the Brandon Inge role for NY. He’s a very good catcger, plays a solid corner outfield and a pretty good first base..
MoBoy was ready to punch Joba’s ticket to Cooperstown if he would have only remained the setup man. Hilarious.
Giambi’s right. Moving Joba when they did was a stroke of genius.
I think most people will wait until he at least starts a few more games before getting in the discussion. He hasn’t even won a game yet. I think come next spring tho, he’ll definitely be at the front of that discussion.
Mark–
You can do either. Either get your airfare via the cruise line or get your own air.
I always get my own as I find I have more flexibility and can often use miles.
The best cruise I ever took was out of NYC no air fare what a pleasure that was all it took was cab fare from home to the port.
TKinDC: Ya, it was a surprise when I looked it up today. Their 4.96 runs per game offense places them 3rd in the NL (behind the Cubs and Phillies). Then I checked the AL stats and only the Rangers and Red Sox have better offenses (the Red Sox are barely ahead of them at 5.01 runs per game)
Of course, the Pirates also have the 2nd worst pitching in the majors, which is probably why they’re below .500
“Nick in SF
June 25th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
“I thought baseball was 9 innings?â€
They aren’t kidding when they say LoHud posters know baseball!”
FYI, that wasn’t the original ‘V’, but the imposter troll.
I’m using a different screen name lately. This troll will be gone soon (I’m not the only one he’s mimicked, and Pete’s watching it).
Joba has shown promise? He has dominated for almost a year. If we had four other guys with his promise, we would win 140 games a year. Hughes with only two pitches topping out at 92 is not even in the same discussion with Joba as far dominant stuff or major league success to date.
Cano is turning it around
Bad few days for Mike Francessa. Joba “he’s like Goose Gossage and can’t turn over a line-up” Chamberlain is turning in a gem, proving to be an ace and Bronson “savior” Arroyo got shelled and couldn’t get an out in the second inning yesterday while giving up 10 runs.
Think he’ll admit his mistakes. Nah, never gonna happen.
The best part is Francesa saying that Arroyo could do well in the AL East – guess who tattooed him last night for the worst performance in 100 years?
The AL East’s own Toronto BJ’s.
STBY Sports Doctor!
If Christian has elite speed, I don’t know how he gets doubled off there.
Our Juvenile Deliquent is at it again
2 for 3, 2 RBI an XBH to LF
Tabata has pulled the ball in his last 4 games, Maybe he’s learning to pull in game situations.
I shouldn’t admit it, but I don’t mind that double play. It keeps Joba from having to bat if they were thinking of letting him
“I think most people will wait until he at least starts a few more games before getting in the discussion. He hasn’t even won a game yet. I think come next spring tho, he’ll definitely be at the front of that discussion.”
It didn’t ask for best starting pitcher, just best pitcher.
Adding in his dominance last season, Joba has a resume that merits inclusion in the list.
Its not a very good impersonator. Its pretty easy to pick up that its not you, V. It was fairly obvious last night.
good stuff Blargh – I’ll put in a good word for you next time Cashman calls me for references!
SHawn CHacon gets suspended by the team no reason given. hmmm
No worries, real V.
“Joba should be in the discussion. Not saying he deserves to win that vote, but he should be on the ballot.”
that what i was saying he should at least be on the ballot he has the same stuff or better than the other guys and he has proved it in the bullpen and starting
Whoa, tampa scored 10 runs in the fifth.
It’s obviously not for us to understand but I don’t get how tonight’s team can be the same one who took the field last night.
“Cano is turning it around”
“Cano is hitting .393/.433/.500 dating back to his pinch-hit appearance after being benched.â€
That was before today’s game. I’ll update it tomorrow
Buzz, who’s poll is it, ESPN I suppose.
About Chacon, suspended b/c he refuses to pitch out of the bp and has asked to be traded.
that the starter i want starting game 1 of the playoffs
Joba at 100 pitches and still hitting 98mph.
Another of Fatcesca’s factual errors.
“SHawn CHacon gets suspended by the team no reason given. hmmm”
He was yanked out of the rotation and put in the ‘pen. Don’t make Shawn angry, you wouldn’t like him when he’s angry
Some fun coming up. Boston will be playing at Tampa Bay. If the Yankees can just get the job done we’ll make up ground on someone.
“Its not a very good impersonator. Its pretty easy to pick up that its not you, V. It was fairly obvious last night.”
It’d help if he wrote at something approaching a middle school level
Chacon was blatantly upset with his demotion to the pen. Obviously, he pulled a Ponson. Maybe Chas will pick him up to again… oy.
“Buzz, who’s poll is it, ESPN I suppose.”
nah, it was mlb.com
*Cash*
What is Girardi thinking sending him out there for the 7th? Are you trying to blow out his arm?
Dougie your a lefty
I may have to rethink my preseason prediction that Arizona would make the World Series.
Their offense is weak….
Ok who do you want as a utility player if you had this option MInky or Betemit. discuss lol
I am so lovin’ joba!
C’mon joba – ground ball out
“Boston will be playing at Tampa Bay. If the Yankees can just get the job done we’ll make up ground on someone.”
mark, hopefully they pick up where they left off (with their bench clearing brawl) and take some more shots at each other.
It seems like I’m the only one here disgusted at how Joba is pitching the 7th with 98 pitches through 6 in a blowout game
I just bought fanfest tickets. I am officially excited.
I vote Minky. He’s a funny guy, I like his “D” and sound bites. Plus, he’s best pals with A-Rod.
“What is Girardi thinking sending him out there for the 7th? Are you trying to blow out his arm?”
do you have any basis for this? how many pitches did he throw in the minors? or do you just like to make generalizations?
Anyone else like Doug when he was with the Yankees?
Also, I think Joba is a little tired. No biggie, he pitched brilliantly.
“It seems like I’m the only one here disgusted at how Joba is pitching the 7th with 98 pitches through 6 in a blowout game”
I’m not a fan.
I don’t know if I approve of this 110+ pitch outing from Joba…don’t strain him on a game that’s a blowout. He went 6, in line for the win – get him out under 100 pitches.
“I just bought fanfest tickets. I am officially excited.”
does it count as a “date” with your possible boyfriend?
Joba doesn’t want to leave the mound, did anyone read his lips there.
run up the pitch count to 115? and why? 8-0 lead and girardi leaves him in? this is what worried me the most about girardi – his care of the young guns.
very troubling. not smart.
I am so glad they are finally just letting him pitch.
Whatever happened to Trish?? She used to post here every game. Was she banned?
Yes, I liked Doug a lot as a Yankee, he was a good guy….but I’d like him better if he’d had a 2 or 3 pitch AB here rather than 6 or 7!
Girardi, you’ve just lost my respect. 114 pitches in an 8-0 blowout. What a freaking waste.
Nice job by Joba.
I didnt mind Eyechart.
Is this the dreaded double-switch that makes NL baseball so much more complicated and beautiful than the DH-ridden AL.
Oh the majesty!
I think Zito would do better if he return to the A.L
if it had to do with the batting order and their desire to PH at the start of the 8th then this is an extreme case of overmanaging.
Great job by Joba
Hopefully Veras for 8th?
I’d love a shot at this being a shout out, after last night, which has to mean no Farnsworth
gayle, I would take Minky.
“I just bought fanfest tickets. I am officially excited.”
I have ‘em for Saturday, July 12th, at noon
It is not the Derek Jeter is washed up Cabal it is season to date Jeter has sucked offensively.. Is that hard to understand look at his #’s…
Jeter needs to pick it up..Just like Cano and others… Let’s not get carried away about the offense do it for 3 weeks and then talk to me..
Too bad Joba could not finish that inning.. Yeah to bad they made him into a starter!!!!Cashman is a real fool for that move HUH….
What a turn around from last night. Guess the Varsity squad made the game.
But, this Joba kids looks freakin awesome tonight. He needs to rub some of his magic off on Kennedy and Hughes.
Great outing by Joba tonight.
Boston Dave: No, the date is the day before =D
I know. I am *so* old school.
The idea is to stretch him out to where he can through this many pitches in big spots. What beter time than an 8-0 game to do that final bit of stretching?
“very troubling. not smart.”
Perhaps in an 8-0 game they can take Joba out. However, does anybody know how many pitches Joba typically threw in his minor league starts?
It’s foolish for us to make assumptions that 110 pitches is too much for Joba without having any additional info.
Ortiz’s return is a few weeks away
Too bad Justin hit into the DP… maybe Joba would’ve been PH for there… This would seem like a great time to get Ollie in or test Farnsy’s hand… Haven’t understood Girardi’s style yet…
Just continuing to build up arm strength, stretching him out.
I think she got ganged up on one night and probably decided not to come back. Rebecca yelled at her for dumping on the Red Sox if I remember right.
Rebecca what’s a possible boyfriend? If it’s the person who took you to the game with those great tickets I’d make him a definite boyfriend!
well, joba is officially stretched. Can’t wait for his next start. Hopefully TJ Beam will be pitching against the Yanks again.
Big deal 114, pitchers are so babied nowadays. We need Jim Kaat back in the booth to set folks straight.
High pitch count for Joba. Wasn’t that a rub about Girardi in Florida and burning out the young pitchers arms.
The ghost of Torre is alive.
Nice, efficient work Ollie
Run up the pitch count in this game so he knows how it feels on his arm, and how his body will react. Its been a while since he has thrown that much.
Do it in a blow out so he doesn’t get his first taste of ‘oh snap I’m at 100 pitches and I need to bear down’ vs the Red Sox
all you need to look at are the starters from the marlins team from 2006 to be worried. i’m all for stretching his arm out, but not unnecessarily in a blow out game. protect your stud!
Oh ok, thx, lol…yeah I do recall Trish dumping on the Red Sux ALOT!
mark: Haha, no, different person. We just haven’t made it official yet. But it’s as official as it can be without being official.
And I don’t know if I should feel guilty for scaring her off. I kind of do feel guilty…but the constant bashing just really bothered me. It’s juvenile.
Jeter has been playing hurt all season, thus the below average numbers. He’s getting healthy now. Just facts.
Ross didn’t allow an inherited runner to score. it is a good night. I’d still rather see Veras for the 8th.
Still want to trade Cano?
We would all fall in love with Ransom playing 2b.
Girardi said during his last start would have a 110 to 115 pitch limit. It wasn’t a spur of the moment deal. You’d be the first to complain if he was pulled after 6 innings. JesusH.ChristInAHandbasket.
I dont think Trisha got banned, but I dont know that for sure.
But the last time she was here, it got somewhat.. um.. dramatic around here. Maybe she just took a break and is posting elsewhere or something.
No issue w/115 pitches – IF its a close game… however with the comfortable margin – get some players work – Ollie, Farnsy and Veras could all throw an inning there.
“BUZZ June 25th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Ortiz’s return is a few weeks away”
Or a month if everything goes perfectly.
If I’m not mistaken Joba leads off the inning, so they were hoping to get a quick inning and avoid a double switch. I have no problem with the way Joe handled Joba tonight. (finally)
Like that was really necessary for Joba to throw 115 pitches in a 8-0 game. Doesn’t make a lot of sense. Even the disaster Hawkins can get people out in this game. There was really no reason to stretch him out that much when he was used to throwing 30 pitches all season so far, especially when you are winning by 8 runs. Just stupid…
Rebecca if you need any endorsements send him here. We can tell him how much quality he’s getting there!
“Girardi said during his last start would have a 110 to 115 pitch limit. It wasn’t a spur of the moment deal.”
Thank you Green Beret!
some people just need to complain about something…
You finally just said what a lot of people thought, Rebecca. I wouldn’t feel bad. You were nicer about it than a others might have been.
Hey, whatever happened to Lawyer Dan? He posted on here that one time…
Brandon:
Tabata was probably just due. 6 for his last 37 heading into tonite with one ExBH. Doesn’t seem like he’s learning much at all….though the lesson in failure may help his maturity.
Trisha being real positive and optimistic really hurt the vibe of the negative quitters here so they had to try to run her off.
Gonzo better be in just due to it being a blow out and getting at bats
We can tell him how much quality he’s getting there!”
I’ve seen Rebecca with a fencing sword. All I can say is he better behave!
mark: Aww, you’re making me blush.
Angel: I’m a woman and a writer. I know what to say and how to say it to make it stick.
Well, I try, anyway. And trust me, it was hard not to use my Jersey mouth.
Exactly. All you people saying the score is an issue “why stretch him in an 8-0 game,” it’s the best possible time to do it, when the outcome isnt in doubt.
abrue out of slump
Boston Dave: I don’t own fencing swords. The ones I own are real.
“Jeter has been playing hurt all season, thus the below average numbers. He’s getting healthy now. Just facts.”
Jeter is going to need to be replaced next year at SS. He just can’t play the position anymore. He has no range.
Bobby and Jete both having a great night!
“I don’t own fencing swords. The ones I own are real.”
gulp.
looks like Bobby’s over the psychological terror of hitting the Twins’pitcher in the face – Thankfully we don’t go back to Minnesota for the rest of the year.
“Trisha being real positive and optimistic really hurt the vibe of the negative quitters here so they had to try to run her off.”
There is being positive and then there is jumping ugly with every rational poster on the board – the blog became totally dysfunctional.
Maybe her fave Farnsy swept her off her feet!
Yeah, you better gulp
At least Ross hit it hard
Lugo caught cheating.
Well, it looks like no ground will be gained tonight. Boston & Tampa look like wins.
Jeter is actually near the upper/middle part of the league in terms of shortstops defense this season. If he ever starts hitting, it makes him more valuable than ever.
“June 24th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Tomorrow Joba will get run support, look for a blowout, Yankees 9, Pirates 2.”
My prediction from last night.
Nick: Seriously?
And that was Ohlendorf hitting?
hey, one thing that person you’re all talking about hated was jinxing a good thing by talking about it… if you catch my drift.
And Rebecca, we don’t know how much credit/blame you should get, there may be larger forces at work.
“Jeter is going to need to be replaced next year at SS. He just can’t play the position anymore. He has no range.”
Not happening. Seriously, how many games has Jeter lost because of his lack of range this year?
“Trisha being real positive and optimistic really hurt the vibe of the negative quitters here so they had to try to run her off.â€
Good riddance to her.
Jeff – good prediction. Ready to predict the score for tomorrow night?
“Trisha being real positive and optimistic really hurt the vibe of the negative quitters here so they had to try to run her off.”
Too bad the positive and optimistic attitude wasn’t directed towards anything else but the Yankees though. People also got frustrated with her trashing the Sox, and making this place a negative one. Thanks to the Sox fans felt the need to post on here defending their team. I dont miss that at all.
Ortiz’s return is a few weeks away
You ever hurt your wrist ? The minute he gets jammed on a ball it’s going to hurt.
Tabata was probably just due. 6 for his last 37 heading into tonite with one ExBH. Doesn’t seem like he’s learning much at all….though the lesson in failure may help his maturity.
And our Juvenile Deliquent hits another ball up middle for a basehit 3 for 4 w/ 2 RBI and an XBH
I dont see us gaining any serious ground on the Sox anytime soon
I though Trisha added pretty good stuff here. Trash talking about other teams never bothers me. It’s not for everyone but there’s nothing wrong with it. Red Sox are the Yankees main competition.
Game in Boston is over even if if it’s not over.
Not sure how I feel about Joba pitching so much. I think it’s not so bad since Girardi said once he had gotten to 100 he was going to let him go.
Angel: It wasn’t that she was optimistic, but that she constantly trashed the Sox and Mets, and while none of us have any love for those teams, it was juvenile.
And sometimes got in the way of serious baseball discussions.
For those keeping track Fresno State is 3 outs away from completing their Cinderella run.
Man, they dumped my Sun Devils and now are about to win the National title.
good for them.
“People also got frustrated with her trashing the Sox, and making this place a negative one.”
A positive Yankee fan who bashed the Sox made this place negative???
Please. It is a blog comments board. Who do you think comes here? The happy and well adjusted? 90% of comments on these game threads is bridge jumping loons.
I really doubt a positive pro Yankee and anti Sox fan caused problems.
That was a goooood outing for Ohlendorf.
Go Fresno! I love stories like that.
Nick-
Caught cheating on the wife that kept his azz out of jail?
So not happy with Arizona and Florida tonight. Must have had guys from the retirement homes. Just couldn’t catch up to the knuckleball.
Scott Proctor placed on the DL.
hmmm……
I think it was that she contantly trashed posters on this board who weren’t judged to be optimistic enough about the Yankees, such as those who who questioned the quality of Farnsworth, Hawkins, and Igawa. And she trashed the baseball smarts of many, including those who predicted that Willy Randolph was living on borrowed time at Shea. Etc.
Rebecca quit patting yourself on the back for running off a fellow Yankee fan. What kind of person are you? Got some real petty and bitter commenters here. Maybe trisha is on vacation. Or actually has a life and doesn’t sit here for 4 hrs posting and dealing with people like you.
thank you Ross for proving me wrong
TKinDC she was a lawyer right? She fought like one anyway!
I liked Trisha just fine, the only thing that bugged me about her was her belief in conspiracy theories that a few people on this blog (not named Peter) control who and what gets posted here. If she got banned, then maybe she was right, but I think she brought it on herself bashing not just Sox fans, but anyone offerring honest negative commentary.
Remember this though, just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean that people aren’t out to get you.
Poor Scott Proctor.
If you say so, Cinders.
Anyway, Trisha isn’t here to defend herself (or is she?) so I’m done with this topic.
“TKinDC she was a lawyer right? She fought like one anyway!”
Paid by the word – I nearly wore out the page down button.
But we digress – how ’bout them Yanks!!!
No matter what, someone always has to complain. One start Joe should let Joba throw more pitches, the next he threw too many. Criticism is always around no matter what.
Trisha dared to challenge the regulars??? Heavens to betsy! She should be strung up in the town square! No mercy!
“Lugo caught cheating.”
Explain please.
“he only thing that bugged me about her was her belief in conspiracy theories”
here’s a conspiracy….
Cinders = trisha??
“Jeter is actually near the upper/middle part of the league in terms of shortstops defense this season. If he ever starts hitting, it makes him more valuable than ever.”
Go away, troll.
Cano is doing awesome lately
And “Lawyer Dan” doesn’t seem to be here to defend himself either, so I shouldn’t have mentioned… him. Sorry about that.
How did we lose to this team?
“Remember this though, just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean that people aren’t out to get you.”
Hahaha.
Cinders: Who says I’m patting myself on the back?
I’m certainly not.
And don’t no life me. Seriously, don’t go there. You won’t win.
Blah, misquote, LOL!
“V
June 25th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
“Jeter has been playing hurt all season, thus the below average numbers. He’s getting healthy now. Just facts.â€
Jeter is going to need to be replaced next year at SS. He just can’t play the position anymore. He has no range.
”
Go away, troll.
You know, if Cano keeps hitting I am going to have to change my name. He can’t do that to me…..
Canoooooooooooooooo
Trisha was manic and it was distracting.
Cinders has a point. This is a blog. People should be free to express themselvs pro and con without fear of being run off.
Girardi can’t win. He throws 90 pitches and half the crowd berates him. He throws a major league ready and easy 115 and the same thing.
A great example of how you cannot manage and listen to fans.
Come on Yankees, save some runs for Mussina
tying run in the on-deck circle for AZ
though paps is in with 2 outs
Whoops, I apologize for bringing up a sore subject. May you cheer in peace, Trish wherever, whoever you are.
Let’s get back to the game. Joba pitched a shutout! I can’t wait to see who he’s matched up againt vs. Boston.
Wait a second…
Good night for Cano? Check.
Joba dominates, and has already pitched more innings as a starter than reliever? Check.
Ohlie looking great in relief? Check.
Melky kicking butt in CF? Check.
What exactly is there to comment on tonight, then?
Oh sorry, Lugo was called out for running out of the basepaths. Rulebreaker.
Cano 14 for his last 33.
.424 clip
What steel are your swords made from Rebecca?
Just real weird about how you are proud you ran off a fellow Yankee fan who’s main problem seems to be her devotion to the Yanks and hatred of the Sox.
You must have no life if that makes your day. Have fun with that.
Grabow doing his best to re-introduce the Yankees to double digit scoring? Sure, why not
my thoughts exactly, angel. she’s probably lurking out there under another name. (not bill from va!) what’s happening in the ninth? i can’t get the game.
well can’t get a hit everytime up.
Jorge: Fresno State.
Holy moly.
Arizona have loaded the bases in the botton of the 9th, 2 out
“Cinders has a point. This is a blog. People should be free to express themselvs pro and con without fear of being run off.”
In this case, that tolerance thing worked both ways.
“Cinders has a point. This is a blog. People should be free to express themselvs pro and con without fear of being run off.”
Just go away, mark.
how many times has Christian crossed the plate tonight ?
“Joba pitched a shutout! ”
you trying to jinx the shutout???
Since nobody actually knows what happened to that person who used to post here and it’s all just speculation, perhaps it’s a subject best dropped on this glorious 10-0 Joba-pitched evening?
Here we go…. 6-1 Fresno, 3 outs to go….
This is what makes College Sports better than the pros. Everything to play for and everything to lose. paycheck changes that.
noooooo, no jinxing, but when Joba left it was a…..
I think that Girardi’s message to the team last night got through loud and clear. Of course it did help to have Joba pitching.
Guys, seriously, watch the Fresno State game. They’re three outs away from being the lowest ranked team EVER to win a national championship.
It’s the equivalent to a 13-16 NCAA March Madness seed making the championship game.
“perhaps it’s a subject best dropped”
but the blog wouldn’t be the same without a couple fights
Cano, dating back to his benching vs. the Astros, and his pinch-hit therein, is batting…
.424/.444/.606
The slump is officially over.
well there goes my 9-2 prediction. Ok for tomorrow I see the Yankee offensive display continuing. The Yankees are 15-4 on the last day of a 3 or 4 game series, so I expect a win tomorrow. Moose should do well in this spot. My prediction for Friday:
Yankees 7, Pirates 4
Joba didn’t pitch a shutout. You have to go all 9 to get that distiniction.
“how many times has Christian crossed the plate tonight ?”
Seems like lots. I thought he was going to pitch a dome tent there the last time he crossed it, lol
Cinders -
Apparently you were not here at the time of Trish. She had a lot of good things to add here, BUT IMO it went beyond her trashing of Sox/Mets. She would not tolerate anyone disagreeing with her and she was not nice about it. She managed to get a lot of normally calm, agreeable people quite agitated.
That’s a 1.050 OPS.
Why does Girardi waste his set up reliever Veras in a 10-0 game?
He may be needed tomorrow right with Moose going 6 tops???
I don’t get Girardi at all.
“but the blog wouldn’t be the same without a couple fights”
Yes it would!
(how’s that?)
Angel I agree it has to work both ways. But a lot of you are sounding like what you say you didn’t like in her.
Anyway I remember her sharing her MLB accounts with anyone who needed them. I can’t see kicking someone who helped out people she didn’t even know.
Rebecca,
lead-off man on!!
did you jinx Fresno??
I’m sorry to say, tomorrow is not Friday. It is Thursday and my prediction stands, Yankees 7, Pirates 4. Guess I need to get a job when I’m confusing Thurs & Fri.
Oh I hope not.
I am more impressed with the fact that Ohlendorf didn’t let in an inherited run than Joba going 115 pitches.
Nice call Rebecca!
“Why does Girardi waste his set up reliever Veras in a 10-0 game?
He may be needed tomorrow right with Moose going 6 tops???”
maybe Girardi will allow what no reliever has done before… pitching on back to back nights
gasp!!
Thanks Melky and Grabow; this latest streak of games in which the Yankee offense failed to score double digits ends at lucky 7
Jorgie at first!!!!!!!?
Fresno coach looks like Buddy Bell.
first two men on for Georgia… uh oh
Can the Marlins come back???!??!
Trisha wasn’t that bad. So she had a love for Farnsworth. How she any different than our manager??? She didn’t put up with the nit picking and way too objective crowd here and gave them crap. It was pretty funny. She’s a good Yankee fan.
Rays have 15 runs! Red Sox off tomorrow. Rays playing the Marlins. A win moves us up on at least one of them.
Trish may have been a bit of a pain, but, she’s light years ahead of clowns like Stuart Little.
“He may be needed tomorrow right with Moose going 6 tops???â€
yes, considering he hasn’t gone more than 6IP in ages…. i mean, the last time he went 8 innings was….
4 days ago
Georgia will score 1 run but won’t come back. Watch this hitter pull a DP, 2 out coming up.
Those dang Rays. Put the “Devil” back in your name!
I am dying to see Gardner in CF.
TOLD YOU !!!!!!!
1 OUT TO GO.
Ohh, I’m checking out that Fresno State game.
Wow, that DP took the wind out of their sails.
Beckett pitched last night right? So the Rays are getting Lester, Buckholz and who?
That was the exception, not the rule Dave. Mussina averages about 5.5 innings per start. He usually needs the pen for 10-11 outs an outing.
I’ve never seen a pitcher struggle so much for that last out like Veras did tonight.
And the chances Mussina goes back to back outings of 8 innings each is….
Not good.
He probably hasn’t done it in a decade.
Buckholz is back? No, Masterson pitched yesterday, I think.
Boston Dave,
Why you for Fresno State? Just out of curiousity.
Does Joba get the game ball? What is the game ball? The first one used or the last one used???
FRESNO WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“That was the exception, not the rule Dave. Mussina averages about 5.5 innings per start.”
well, he’s averaging 7.33 IP his last 3 starts.
point being, it’s no longer automatic that he only goes 5-6IP.
HOLY FRESNO STATE WINS!
Jobs’s 1st win as a starter!!!!!
Now, take the series tomorrow to gain at least a half game on Boston.
Whiff Canos’ Bat?
Maybe you should rethink that name.
“Beckett pitched last night right? So the Rays are getting Lester, Buckholz and who?”
Think they are playing the Stros, TK. Matsuzaka, Lester and Beckett (Masterson pitched last night) for Boston.
TK I think the Stros are next and then the Rays.
Rock on Fresno State!
“And the chances Mussina goes back to back outings of 8 innings each is….
Not good.
He probably hasn’t done it in a decade.”
June 9th – 8IP
June 20th – 8IP
not back to back, but still makes your assumption a little off.
Way to go Fresno! Representing the WAC.
Lowest seed ever to win a championship in any major NCAA sport. (equivalent to 13-15 seed).
Paps, were you paying attention to the right fielder? He put the ball in his back pocket. Didn’t put it on the counter for his stupid dog to chew up.
i tkae a sweep from the rays
I like Moose to pitch deep into the game too.
Party in the Central Valley tonight!
Masterton did pitch last night for the Sox.
“That was the exception, not the rule Dave. Mussina averages about 5.5 innings per start. He usually needs the pen for 10-11 outs an outing.”
Mussina has been outstanding. Cy Young material and our ace.
Yeah – I was confused – it looks like the Rays will get Masterson, Wakefield and Dice-K.
or I am still confused!
Sixth shutout by pitchers this year! we had five all of last year!
“Boston Dave,
Why you for Fresno State? Just out of curiousity.”
I have no real preference. I’m just rooting for them for the reasons Rebecca stated a little while ago.
Jermaine O’neal has been traded to Toronto
Congratulations to Joba on his first win as a starter.
Let’s hope Moose and the Yanks can win tomorrow night so the Yanks take 2 of 3 and win the series.
Aww they are all so happy. Thats so nice to watch.
“Congratulations to Joba on his first win as a starter.”
The first of many!
Is that back to back? So my assumption is right. We are happy when Moose goes 6 now you think he goes 8 every start??
I guess.
I’ll take 6 from him and be real happy.
And speaking of Nebraska.. Joba’s first win as a starter. Yay! Thats good stuff too.
Yeah!! Congratulations Joba!
The JOOOOOOBAAAA wins!
“Jermaine O’neal has been traded to Toronto”
I’m on a Knicks site? NBA site? Basketball maybe?? Who cares?
The schedule shows Masterson as first up against Rays. So if you look at their regular schedule Matsuzaka and Wakefield followed Masterson.
“Think they are playing the Stros”
And unfortunately, I don’t see Brandon Backe or Brian Mohler holding the Sox to less than 6 runs each.
What you notice tonight is last night PNC was a loud place for our pitchers, Joba tonight didn’t allow the crowd to participate in this game. When you have a SP who can do that, there is nothing that can define his value.
Yeah, let’s argue about whether we think Moose can go 6 or 8 tomorrow. Grrrr! He can! No, he can’t! Grrrr!
I don’t think I’ve seen the Fresno manager smile yet, lol. He’s like stoic.
relax acres.
The Bronson Arroyo jokes are getting a tad old.
We know he stinks and that’s just his guitar playing.
I don’t know about this Joba starting thing. He was good in relief and Veras gave up 2 hits today. He should go back.
“point being, it’s no longer automatic that he only goes 5-6IP.”
That’s what he’s been since the end of 2003. He’s exceeded 6 IP 4 times in 16 starts this year and failed to complete 6 in 7. He’s a 5-6 inning guy.
I’m on a Knicks site? NBA site? Basketball maybe?? Who cares?
Do you really think I give a damn ?
“Yeah, let’s argue about whether we think Moose can go 6 or 8 tomorrow. Grrrr! He can! No, he can’t! Grrrr!”
Ok, then let’s go back to aruging about trisha and Lt. Dan.
(kidding)
acres,
We all care. We love the NBA here. Don’t come here tomorrow. (it’s draft day)
Time to read reviews on cruise lines. Thanks for your help everyone.
Great Yankee win.
Boston Dave,
I noticed a lot of people seemed to be rooting for Fresno State on the board tonight. Thought it might be the underdog thing. So I thought I’d ask someone.
I’m an SEC guy, being from Tennessee. My team is Vandy, but they got knocked out early. I live in Boston, so watching SEC games is not an option anymore:)
Mussina has 16 starts and 8 of them for at least 6 innings.
6 innings – 5 times
7 innings – 1 time
8 innings – 2 times (in last 3 starts)
5.2 innings – 2 times
a 3 inning and a 0.2 inning start killed the average. Read it and learn.
Andy Philips aka King of Bloop was picked up by the Mets
Funny how much press Joba gets all the time. Every time he pitches he has his own spot on Baseball Tonight. I’m loving it.
“That’s what he’s been since the end of 2003. He’s exceeded 6 IP 4 times in 16 starts this year and failed to complete 6 in 7. He’s a 5-6 inning guy.”
we’ll see. The fact that he has gone 8 innings in 2 of his last 3 starts should put any automatic assumption that he will only go 6 on hold.
I say he goes 7.
*starts singing Kumbaya*
I realy thought Rebecca knew what kind of swords she has,,
By his own spot I mean a slot where they totally discuss Joba.
p.s. Mussina pitching the night after Joba can’t hurt.
rconn,
My school’s in the WAC. They lost in the Championship game 25 years ago.
So, needless to say I was cheering for them to do it. And because of the Cinderella factor, of course!
rconn23, I went to the Cal-Tennessee game in Knoxville a couple years ago. After the Vols ran the score up on us, a bunch of their fans sitting behind the Cal section started chanting “S-E-C!! S-E-C!!” We thought it was pretty cheesy.
“Mussina has been outstanding. Cy Young material and our ace.”
Laughable. He’s not one of the best 15 starters in the AL. He’s had a good year, but expectations were exceedingly low.
Now they just have to win tomorrow, win the series vs the Mets(a series that won’t be easy)…and win every single game from here on out.
They can do it
Marc: I do.
I have two broad swords, a light sword, a wooden sword and a civil war era officer’s sword.
The broad swords are real–one of them is heavy enough to cut through a car hood.
I would say good luck Andy but lets be honest here
“And the chances Mussina goes back to back outings of 8 innings each is….
Not good.
He probably hasn’t done it in a decade.â€
9/9/2004 and 9/14/2004
That’s the last time he’s gone 8+ in back to back starts, but he’s had several 7/9/7/7/8 type streaks since.
Freddy, how high were expectations for Fausto Carmona last year after a 1-10 season? Do pre-season low expectations factor into Cy Young voting?
If the Sox keep their rotation schedule (and that is a big if) these would be the pitchers for the next 3 series:
Dice-K, Beckett, and Lester for the Houston series
Masteron, Wakefield, and Dice-K for Tampa Bay series
Beckett, Lester, and Masteron for Yankee series
The dynamics of the Tampa Bay games will be interesting because of the Coco Crisp incident and knucklehead Papelbon’s comments a week ago that the Sox had unfinished business with Tampa Bay,
PETE:
Styx is from Pittsburg. They are native sons. The only exception is the truly talented Tommy Shaw who is from Alabama, but they claim him anyway because that’s really all they’ve got.
“Mussina has been outstanding. Cy Young material and our ace.â€
I think reality is somewhere in between this and Fredo’s apparent belief that Mussina is a scrub.
That said, since his poor starts against the Sox, he’s absolutely been one of the top 15 starters in the AL (IMO).
““Mussina has been outstanding. Cy Young material and our ace.â€
Laughable. He’s not one of the best 15 starters in the AL. He’s had a good year, but expectations were exceedingly low.”
Please don’t respond to a 12 year old using the name ‘V’. His language is pretty poor, you should be able to spot him a mile away.
ray,
Has everyone but Crisp served their suspensions?
And what do they say about Dice? Have his bullpens gone well since the last game?
TK:
Sounds like you have the Tampa/Boston series right.
ray (sox fan),
many of my boston coworkers believe the Sox will retaliate against the Yanks for the Farnsworth pitch.
I dunno about that but we’ll see. Now that the Sox are on top, I don’t know if they can afford to have multiple “enemies”.
My bad V (the real one). I’ll pay better attention next time.
Hmm, RS playing the ‘Stros? Add 3 wins to Boston’s W column right now.
I was just curious Rebecca. I have 2 samuria made of 440 stainless which are razor sharp but not really strong. One small “sting” (Frodos) sword and 1 broadsword I bought a few years ago in England.
I just think they’re cool to have.
How long before Met fans want to run Andy Phillips out of town because he’s too professional and does things “the Yankee way?” They don’t like Yankee associations over at Shea.
Ohlendorf:
High leverage situations:
33AB, 11R, 14H, .486/.512/1.002
Medium leverage:
25AB, 4R, 8H, .393/.560/.953
Low leverage garbage time like today:
100AB, 15R, 23H, .306/.400/.706
Born to pitch mop-up duty. Enough of the crap about him being misused as long reliever bla bla bla (his first inning ERA is ~7 y’all, if you think his overall stats are bad), the only right time to use him is 8-0 blow-up types games like today, then he pitches like CC Sabathia.
This sword talk reminds me of a friend’s weapon collection; a farmer’s scythe, a nodachi, and I believe at least one katana, to go with a shinai and a fake nodachi.
And I’m pretty sure I’m forgetting a weapon or two.
Marc: Does your Sting glow blue? (Yeah, I’m a LotR buff)
They are really really nice to have. I want a katana and a scimtar and maybe a cutlass too. But I’m not sure my parents are too fond of the hobby…they’re certainly not cheap!
mel,
I think Sean Casey just finished his 3 game suspension.
Crisp had his hearing on Monday where he appealed the suspension, but no result from the hearing as been announced. I think his suspension is for 7 games and I would guess maybe they will knock a couple games off. They were speculating today that it might not be announced until right before the Tampa Bay series so that he would not be a lightening rod for that series.
They are saying that nothing is wrong with Dice-K physically but he got absolutely pounded that first game back, so I guess we will know after tomorrow’s game.
Any rumors on who the Lakers we will go for tomorrow? I’ve wondered if they might try to sign Posey from the C’s, since he would add that toughness that even Jackson said they needed and he is also a 3 point shot threat.
Blargh,
You mentioned Farmar on the last thread? Related to Jordan Farmar? His dad was a ball player and his godfather is Eric Davis.
Joba…what a waste as a starter. He’ll never be able to maintain his stuff throughout a start.
Where are all those clowns these days? LOL
Check it out! Joba on the phone on Baseball Tonight.
Giving credit to everyone but himself of course.
mel: Ya, I mentioned Jordan Farmar as a Jewish basketball player; seeing if it was possible to form a all-Jewish starting five.
ray,
As far as I know (tuning out the draft) we don’t have a first round pick. That went in the trade.
Posey? He’d be good. He irritated me with the fouls after the whistle. Wouldn’t bother me at all if he came to the light side.
Where’s J-dawg? Marc Gasol’s coming over the pond.
“Has everyone but Crisp served their suspensions?”
What is MLB waiting for? That fight was 2-3 weeks ago.
“This sword talk reminds me of a friend’s weapon collection;”
did you guys ever see the “sword” guy on Shop At Home who stabbed himself on air while trying to look cool playing with a kitana??
since he wasnt seriously injured (IIRC), it was pretty funny.
Hey Pete, lots of great extra comments on tonight and last night’s game threads, thanks. I only watched a few innings last night and 1 inning tonight but the posts and the comments really help.
Congrats Joba! it’s corny I know but I’m especially happy for Harlan Chamberlain.
I hope last night’s stinky-ness is the final rock bottom and we start gaining grounds esp with Sox playing Rays coming up. My ideal scenario (and not completely unrealistic I think) is if they have another bench-clearing brawl and both get a bunch of multi-game suspensions coming into their respective series against us. That would be sweet:-)
Go Moose go tomorrow!!
“As far as I know (tuning out the draft) we don’t have a first round pick. That went in the trade.”
yes, they gave up their 1st and only got Gasol back.
horrible!!
Blargh,
Did his dad play basketball? I know he was a baseball player. So that means his mom is black? Who’d he get his hops from? (42″ vertical jump)
Never did see that incident….
Knowing the internet, it should be findable on YouTube though!
Watching postgame now…noticing for the first time how much wrinkles Jeter has now. Wow, time flies, wasn’t it just yesterday when he was this skinny kid who looks not a day older than 16?
While you you-tube for the brawl,look for Manny slapping Youk in the dugout, too. That was a bit crazy.
Rebecca: my sting only glows when trolls are around. Or when my girlfriend is wearing her Red Sox gear, lol. I do have several other assorted smaller ones but nothing of importance. Just a hobby I picked up over the years.
Wiki says that Farmar’s biological dad is African-American
Reds just beat Toronto in the 10th. A Halladay start too. So it’s not just us.
McCutchen took another “L” in SWB. Not awful, but not especially good either. 6 2/3 4 runs (3 ER), 7 hits, 3 BB, 4 K. 1-6 with a 4.30 with close to a .300 BAA in the IL.
Nick in SF,
I don’t claim University of Tennessee fans, in fact I loathe them. I understand what you’re saying and I’m not surprised to hear they did that.
I’m a Vandy fan – we like to think we have more class. (Although not as many wins.)
“Rebecca: my sting only glows when trolls are around. Or when my girlfriend is wearing her Red Sox gear, lol.”
haha, comment of the night right there!
Boston Dave,
Hey, lay off. We sent 4 first rounders. ‘08 pick, ‘10 pick, Javaris Crittenton, and Kwame Brown. lol.
Chacon jumps his GM Wade. Classic. At least he spared Cash.
Marc from Portland,
You should listen to your girlfriend more! Just kidding.
mel,
the 2 first round picks sounds good… until you realize they’re both going to be between picks 26-30!!
what a steal… I know people think the Lakers need to shake things up, but with Bynum back, they may not need to.
“Rebecca: my sting only glows when trolls are around. Or when my girlfriend is wearing her Red Sox gear, lol.â€
Awesome.
Chacon from the top rope on to Wade.
Boston Dave,
Hey that low pick is worth something this year. Decent draft. Next year will be down, except all those NC players (ugh, can’t believe they’ll be back).
I’m still trying to figure out how we can get Kevin Love.
Dee
The Captain turns 34 tomorrow. He’s no rookie anymore.
Hi, gang. I really wish that I could have seen the game tonight, it sounds like Joba really was dynamite. Tonight’s victory should be the first of many for him as a starter to go along with the handful of victories for him as a reliever.
Actually Ray, she just loves a new Yanks shirt I bought her. But she won’t wear it outside
mel- I am MIGHTY afraid that we are going to get Kevin Love!
Syracuse’s Donte Greene is going to be a flop. At 6-11, he is allergic to the paint.
Donte Greene is selling out
J-Dawg,
Did you see my comment above? Marc Gasol’s going to Memphis.
Love is a good pick. Very HIGH BBIQ (basketball IQ). He’s down to 250. And articulate, great franchise face.
Uh. That’s 250 lbs. Not IQ points.
Greene has D League written all over him.
Blargh
how about Dolph Schayes – he was a good player in his day (showing my age!).
Yes, Love has a high Beach Boys IQ.
I’m upset that Ryan Andersen is going into the draft.
I 100 % expect David Lee to be traded in a few 20 or so hours, I just got that feeling.
mel- It is nice to see Marc Gasol, although the Grizz can’t negotiate with him until July 1, or so they say.
I worry about Love’s lack of athleticism and I think that he will struggle guard quicker power forwards. Do you think that the Heat will take Mayo at #2, or are they bluffing? Methinks they are bluffing just to bait somebody into trading them the world for Beasley.
I think the Heat will definitely take Mayo, they are going to target Carlos Boozer when he hits FA, and Dwade may or may not be used a piece.
I could see Melo heading to NJ and the Bulls are stupid if they don’t take Derick Rose.
I think they’re bluffing and they will take Beasley. But Mayo was the best thing since sliced bread when he was in high school and set all kinds of Pac-10 freshman records. Wouldn’t it be funny if Chicago screwed up the #1 pick?
Go to an NBA blog. This is for Yankee news.
Van Gundy we so miss your defensive coaching
Brandon,
Who are the Knicks taking? They’ve said they won’t take Euro-dude, but all the mock drafts have you taking him.
And I heard rumplings of Barbosa heading to the Big Apple. (Beware, he likes his pastries).
“I think the Heat will definitely take Mayo, they are going to target Carlos Boozer when he hits FA, and Dwade may or may not be used a piece.”
Someone reads Chad Ford’s column. Thanks for passing it off as your own.
Just read Scott Proctor is going on the DL with an elbow injury
acres,
Keep yourself busy. Here’s a great writeup about Joba’s first win as a starter.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=280625123
Beasley was a man for K State. He’s getting a bad rap for attending so many high schools but these kids get so much bad advice. He’s never been in trouble.
boston ray wasting space telling us about the sux rotation in the next 3 series like we care about that team.
again Ray find a friend or buy a rabbit or something.
this is a Yankee site if you have not figured that out….
Joba 22 I guess we have 1 stud starter already.. I know he is not as good as the sux young starters just ask nespn or nesn or all the other sux homies….
mel the upside in him is too good, they also would be bringing him up as the successor to Wade, there are alot of people that think Beasley is going to abuse the NBA I don’t see that at all.
Didn’t something happen between Torre and Chacon as well?
I seem to remember some kind of confrontation. Without the throwdown of course though. lol
DD,
Sports are like recipes. There are no originals. Just recycled stuff.
114 pitches.. not really happy they let him get that high.
stuart, are you off your meds? People were asking about the Sox matchups in the next couple series.
The Knicks should not take on any payroll past 2009 for one.
I barely care who they pick. I just want the cap room available and ready to go.
I do not want to see them adding more Zach Randolph type deals and kill any future.
Chacon is a thug! He should be happy to even have a shot in the pen.
George we’re on the same boat
Beasley only had one of the best frosh seasons in history in a very good conference with no help around him.
He’s a guaranteed 20 and 10 guy.
And Riley is questioning his character and wanting to draft OJ MAYO??? You serious???
I wouldn’t believe any of this spin being spun a day before the draft. 28 teams below Miami would KILL to have Beasley and Minny would be lucky as heck if they passed on him.
Beasley will step right in and be able to rebound right away. He’s got a nose for the ball. Riley is a greaseball.
Just take the kid from Italy. Why reach for Westbrook at 6?
This is a 3 yr thing anyway. I trust guys who are all stars in the high caliber Italian league at 19 yrs old than a guard who didn’t run the show at UCLA and has never been a PG.
I wouldn’t mind trading down if they got rid of some salary ie Jerome James.
The guy I really want? Alexander from WV. An animal.
I think Donte Greene’s family pushed him into this decision. Hard to say how well he will be picked, but I think he would have gone higher had he waited another year and developed more.
Nice win by Joba. I liked that Girardi kept him out there. While it did run up his pitch count, I think its good to see how he handles a longer outing. Some of the earlier innings were light, and he was throwing really well.
I don’t think Joba will get long outings every time, but isn’t it better to go deeper when its a blowout type game? Less pressure, but allows you to see if he still can throw some heat.
Cano really confuses me. One night he looks clueless at the plate, then the next he is hitting like old. I don’t get the hot and cold. While the pitchers vary, the approach shouldn’t.
Aceves is pitching Saturday for SWB. If he adjusts well to AAA any chance he makes his next start if Fat Sid and or Rasner falter?
The guy I really want? Alexander from WV. An animal.
Me too I like the way he takes over games, another guy Bill Walker who IMO is better than Beasley. If Brook Lopez is there you have to take him and forget everything else if your the Knicks. I really don’t care that much this year and this year may be the biggest buzz the NBA draft has started off with.
If O’neal is healthy the Raptors may have the most dangerous frontcourt in the NBA.
Bill Walker better than Beasley? Walker will never have a position in the NBA. He likes to pop jumpers. Only problem, he can hit a bull in the arse with a snow shovel. He constantly is hurting his knee. His best shot to stick in the NBA is to rejoin Mayo’s posse.
Not sure if you all had heard, but poor Scott Proctor is headed to the DL with elbow issues…
Billy the games I saw Beasley play in Bill Walker was the guy doing the dirty work and get changing the game. I’m serious people putting Beasley to stardom be ready to see Zach Randolph the 2nd
thomo: Yea, Dolph would definitely take one of the forward spots. For that matter, his son Danny can be center.
I don’t believe you know basketball if you watched K state and thought Walker was better than Beasley.
It is incomprehensible.
You realize that Beasley had what some say is the best season of any collegian in the past 30 years?
And not one single NBA scout says there is anyone more talented than him.
Beasley is not going to over power the pros w/ his game in the block, his face up game is going to have to be that much better and even w/ that his defense is horrible, it’s like watching a subway turnstile.
Scott Proctor just went on the DL with an elbow issue. Torre finally did him in.
Bring back Chacon! He was actually pretty gritty during his Yankee tenure. Way better than Ponson. He did have a 3.94 era over 65 apperances last year. Not bad….
It’s kind of funny how things work. Joba Chamberlain is so much more trusted and, at this point, better than Phil Hughes, when nobody knew about him just a couple of seasons ago.