Chamberlain ends the discussion
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- June
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Remember all the way back to a few weeks ago when there was actually a debate about whether Joba Chamberlain should be a starter?
Five starts a 1.80 ERA later, the debate is over. The Yankees are 4-1 in his starts.
Those in the clubhouse who resisted the move now embrace it. “What was my opinion?” Derek Jeter said, smiling. “He’s been great.”
Spoke to Bobby Abreu for a few minutes. He praised Joba’s ability to pitch with a lead. “When he matures and learns the league, he’s only going to get better,” he said. “He’s a young guy with a great arm and he knows what to do with it.”
Meanwhile, some signs of renewed life from Robinson Cano (8 of his last 18, now hitting a robust .241), Jeter (two doubles to the wall in center) and Abreu (six RBI the last two nights).
The offense will be there most nights. The Yankees need pitching and in Mussina, Chamberlain and Pettitte, they have three trustworthy starters. If a fourth one is out there somwehere, whether internally or elsewhere, the Yankees will play in October.
And, no, it’s not Carl Pavano. Stop e-mailing.
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Peter Abraham
I’m glad we have our long-awaited true ace.
Ace? I dunno if id go that far yet.
Damon didn’t have anything to say about Joba, did he?
I think the whole team is behind Joba the starter. Some just take to change a little slower than others. With Wang being injured, I am sure the rest of the team is thankful for having him cover that large hole.
Too bad it wasn’t with the Wanger, as the rotation would be looking really fine right now.
Alex Rodriguez was the first player to fully embrace the move, funny how long it took the rest of the players to understand it.
BTW 18 yr. old Mikey O’Brian has signed
No, the answer is not Carl Pavano. It’s Shawn Chacon. Dude has killer instincts. And he did have a 3.94 era last year…
Great post, AGAIN, Pete….Thanks again for all that you do for us !
Bobby, pun intended?
Shawn Chacon just needs to feed his family
-Latrell Sprewell
Wow. ESPN is saying Chacon choked the Houston GM when told he was being sent to the pen. He’s lucky he was only suspended and not arrested.
Did you see that Chacon has been suspended indefinitely? Apparently he choked his GM after a heated meeting.
Hmmm, I wonder if Shawn might have over done it this time.
ugh I know it’s not Carl Pavano Pete – but if he’s healthy they should use the helllllll out of him until he breaks down again (one…. maybe two starts)
I didn’t realize Chacon was so violent!
Pete’s head would explode if Pavano came back to pitch this year.
I wonder how much he was pushed to it. There are two sides to everything. If you keep pushing you might be pushed back.
That is not to condone Chacon, but it sounds like both sides in this aren’t exactly clean.
Jeter was a doubter?
I only saw Damon’s comments.
Chacon did not choke him, he only threw him to the ground.
What has two thumbs and is going to see Ian Kennedy pitch on Saturday??
this guy!! – That’s so much gayer then it sounded in my head, but I’m still going
Pride goeth before a fall, unless of course you are Chacon.
Was there ever really a serious debate about whether Joba should be a starter? That he should remain a one-inning man was a ridiculous argument to begin with.
I don’t blame any Yankee for doubting the Joba move. They should have better pitchers all over the place but they don’t. No player wants to see someone who is so successful and so dominating get moved in the middle of the yr and be replaced by Kyle Farnsworth. Damn right they should be skeptical. What they really need is 5 more Joba like pitchers in the rotation and pen.
cough cough aceves (trusty 4th starter)
Don’t make Shawn Chacon choke a B*tch!
Joe T,
I thought it was an O. Perez joke!
I wonder if Aceves is as good as that stud Kennedy and that stud Hughes. Guys without great stuff and rookies to boot kinda scare me during a pennant race.
handy ho-
yeah and 9 a-rod’s who each pair up and get hot at different times during the season…
Read the new Feinstein book.
Great story about how Torre almost beat the snot out of Chacon.
“Shawn Chacon just needs to feed his family
-Latrell Sprewell”
Well played, Ryan!
In a related story, Carl Pavono reportedly grabbed himself by the buttocks, threw himself to the ground, and began to choke himself until he stepped in and pulled himself off himself.
“I lost my cool and I’m very disappointed in myself,” said Carl Pavano.
“This is an internal matter and we have no comment at this time,” added Carl Pavano.
its all about the injury concern pete. come on now… any smart baseball fan (yankee fan) worries about it with joba. they didnt take the smart approach in stretching him out but for right now its working.
Isn’t that the goal? Developing all stars all over the diamond? In home talent everywhere? A deep system? I could be wrong but I doubt it. God knows we could use some more pitchers here. Unless you like Rasner, Giese and Ponson starting games.
Jingles… difference being.. Aceves is 25… he has a lot more experience and he does not struggle with control.. (seriously, this time.. Kennedy)
Oswalt would look good in pinstripes.
None of the Yankees should openly question Cashman or Girardi’s moves.
And if any of them were paying attention to his minor league numbers in between at bats, they would’ve known that he’s a starter.
If they choose to listen to some dum sports jock talk about Joba losing to Manhattan then they’re just as dum.
Please go check Kennedy’s minor league numbers last yr.
The guy dominated even more than Aceves.
The majors and rookies don’t go well together when the guy doesn’t have great stuff.
“None of the Yankees should openly question Cashman or Girardi’s moves.”
Not walking Manny???
Signing Hawkins???
I cant stop laughing.
In a related story, Carl Pavono reportedly grabbed himself by the buttocks, threw himself to the ground, and began to choke himself until he stepped in and pulled himself off himself.
“I lost my cool and I’m very disappointed in myself,†said Carl Pavano.
“This is an internal matter and we have no comment at this time,†added Carl Pavano.
I’m trying hold the stomach chuckles but I can’t
Merlin-
Yes but in the next five years so would Cano and I would rather see a 2nd baseman batting .320 then watch a pitcher’s skill level decline and then turn in to another Mussina… ( I love what he is doing now, don’t get me wrong, I enjoy watching him give up one hit that allows a couple of runs and then realize that he is a smart pitcher and retire the next 15 in a row…) I just really don’t want to have to go through this whole thing again..
Jingles,
They can question it, just don’t blab to the beat writers about it.
“The Yankees need pitching and in Mussina, Chamberlain and Pettitte, they have three trustworthy starters. If a fourth one is out there somwehere, whether internally or elsewhere, the Yankees will play in October. ”
3 6 inning starters and Mariano. Maybe the first round, If we’re lucky. He’s too stubborn with that pen though so I’m not banking on it. Not to mention the Hughes and Kennedy factor that still has to play out. It’s still a long season.
With Oswalt it’s plain and simple don’t force someone here when he clearly doesn’t want to. The Astros have missed the playoffs for a few years now, There is no coincidence that Oswalt blocked NY in his NTC clause.
I don’t want Randy Johnson part 2.
I second Brandon’s opinion. There’s a reason why he singled us out.
Nick in SF-
You are too funny, but mel didn’t laugh so maybe it wasn’t that funny at all.
Pete it would be great if you could get a quote from Johnny Damon, he was the one publicly saying he wants Joba in the Pen.
Jingles- yeah then look at Kennedy’s major league number’s last year…
difference being… he has now established him self as the wrong mix between a very talented painter and a very blind pianist…. as in the kid tries to paint and misses 2 out of every three times and then thinks he’s hot stuff with his 80 and some odd fastball.. (Yes I realize on occasion it touches 90) and decides to try to “burn” someone right down the heart of the plate… yeah I just don’t see Aceves as being that stupid… Don’t get me wrong i’m as much of a Kennedy fan as I am of any other Yankee… but the kid needs to learn to trust his stuff.. and I believe Aceves has done that and therefore will succeed at the big league level consistently.
Pete:
The debate is over but that doesn’t help us in the Pen.And Joba this and next year isn’t gonna give us 200 innings.Thats what we need.No matter how good JOba our rotation is really shaking.
joba def has ace potential..obviously he’s young and unproven bc of it…. but we will all just wait and see…
he’ll be awesome for a long time is my guess
Here’s the link to the Chacon story:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5856597.html
Am I the only one thinking that we can get Chacon on the cheap now to eat some innings until Hughes and Wang come back?
The choking thing only makes me like him more. I like the intensity!
Mel – nope just a bad joke lol
I have a double header with my high school team Saturday so I’m hoping I can make it but I’ll let everyone know how it goes as soon as I can
Kennedy was trying to pitch too fine, be too perfect with every pitch. When you force it then it comes back and bites you.
Hughes mentioned his mental aspect of the game and how that was part of his problems.
Aceves has been pitching in the Mexican league for a while, his experience there is like AAA, he is worth a shot. I don’t think Rasner can hold up as a starter, Aceves is probably a better choice.
RSM just wait for his release I wouldn’t give up anything for him.
If Ponson get a second shot with the Yanks, Chacon will get one too, but only if C Money thinks he can throw down with Chacon.
Exactly, we’ve seen far too many big name pitchers fail in New York. None were as good as Oswalt has been, but none also singled out New York like that.
Brandon, Oswalt has a full NTC, that means he blocks EVERY team with it. He also is buddy buddy with Pettitte, so you don’t know if there is talking going on.
I am not convinced that Oswalt is the answer, but I wouldn’t dismiss it being possible.
Agree Brandon
When evaluating pitchers and their fit for NY, makeup is a huge part of it.
Can’t have soft guys who don’t like the spotlight and are not comfortable with NYC. Talent is just 1\2 of the equation.
Can you imagine next year?
1- Wang
2- Oswalt/Sabathia/some big name
3- Chamberlain
4- Hughes/Kennedy
5- Aceves/Rasner/Karstens/Horne…
I’m positive that we will sign some big name starter… We are giving up to much salary not to haha…
Thanks, Buddy B. mel is the gold standard, if she likes it, I know I’ve done well.
Chacon needs to employ the Heimlich Defense: Chacon should say that he thought Wade was trying to eat his innings and he didn’t want Wade to choke on them.
Nick & Buddy
It was funny. I’m just Pavanoed out.
munchabuncha he blocked NYY it was on BBT and traderumors
Not for anything, but McLane is a bit off his rocker if he thinks a GM is a public servant. While Chacon was stupid to do what he did, they didn’t handle things very well either.
It seems we have more soap operas going on in baseball this year than we’ve seen in a long time. The whole Willie Mets Mess, Chacon and the Throw Down, Instant Replay, Broken Bats, Umpires Who Think They Can Start Altercations…
Wow. And the season is still young!
The Pavano joke was just too funny, I actually pictured Carl doing that to himself.
Sam VA,
1. Joba (just needs a little polishing)
2. Wang
3. Pettitte (he wants to pitch in the new stadium)
4. Hughes
5. Farm hand
Most here will be eating crow when Hughes and Kennedy round out to expected form…..The trio of Hughes Chamberlain & Kennedy will be a most very formidable group in a few years…..Just wait….
This is so cool. (from espn.com)
Boone hit the mark with an infield single in the bottom of the eighth inning. He joined grandfather Ray (1,260), father Bob (1,838) and brother Bret (1,775) in the achievement.
Boone became the 1,171st player in major-league history to get at least 1,000 career hits.
Aaron Freaking Boone.
I remember reading an article about Johnny Damon that either quoted him or Boras about Damon’s partial no-trade. It said they chose to pick teams that they knew could afford the contract.
If they are going to be approached to accept a trade to a blocked team, the team would financially have to make it worth his while for the inconvenience of him relocating and the smaller market teams would never want to take on a really big contract so no need to worry about them anyhow.
From Cot’s website.
Brandon, just because someone says something doesn’t make it so. As you read down you will see there is a FULL NO TRADE CLAUSE, not a limited one, not one that specified NO NY. Even Oswalt stated this recently when asked about the trade rumors, he said he had a Full NTC and no one’s talked to him.
Roy Oswalt rhp
5 years/$73M (2007-11), plus $16M 2012 club option
signed extension 8/06
07:$13M, 08:$13M, 09:$14M, 10:$15M, 11:$16M,
12:$16M club option ($2M buyout)
Oswalt may opt out of 2012 option & take a reduced buyout
full no-trade clause
2 years/$16.9M (2005-06)
avoided arbitration 2/05 ($7.8M-$6M)
05:$5.9M, 06:$11M
award bonus based on finish in Cy Young vote ($0.5M for 1st, $0.35M for 2nd, $0.25M for 3rd)
contract also re-worked 10/05 to allow Houston owner Drayton McLane to give Oswalt a bulldozer for winning Game 6 of ‘05 NLCS
1 year/$3.25M (2004), avoided arbitration 1/04
1 year/$0.5M (2003) 2/03
1 year/$0.3M (2002)
drafted 1996 (23-684)
agent: Robert Garber
ML service: 6.149
6 more days till Michel Inoa and Yorman Rodriguez sweepstakes
chamberlain is the real ace. have un the dl, wang.
fun*
Just woke up but saw that Rebecca’s All Jewish Basketball team is still running, but saw no mention of Larry Brown as a guard or coach. Owner/coach, Abe Saperstein.
More baseball players, Norm and Larry Sherry, Shawn Green, pitchers Joel Horlen, Scott Radinsky, Scott Shoenweiss and Kenny Hotzman, outfielders Art Shamski and Gabe Kapler, 2nd baseman Ian Kinzler.
Kenny Holtzman
GB7-
Don’t forget the Jewish Hammer, Ryan Braun.
watch out for brandon. he is a gullible one. he believes everything he sees on blogs and news sites. he is also the BIGGEST homer on here. he believes the yankees should be passive and never trade ANY of their prospects. He also LOOOVES PETE. You’re a sucker, brandon.
GB and Buddy: Baseball Almanac has a whole list of Jewish baseball players
According to Wikepedia, we’re good at baseball, chess and owning teams/leagues.
Basketball, not so much. Except for Red.
If Mussina wins 20 games, he’ll be back.
watch out for brandon. he is a gullible one. he believes everything he sees on blogs and news sites.
Better than word of loose unidentified sources.
he is also the BIGGEST homer on here. he believes the yankees should be passive and never trade ANY of their prospects.
I believe we shouldn’t trade anything of value, Tabata, Jackson, Hughes, Betances, Montero, those types.Especially not for 30 yr. old vets like Fuentes. I also believe if you can get the same person for a cheaper price later than wait till later, this team hasn’t earned that right.
He also LOOOVES PETE. You’re a sucker, brandon.
All I can say is what I said yesterday Shut Up Farnsy !!
Buddy, I’m not sure that Braun is Jewish.
GB7,
For free?
Moose has never hit the magic number has he?
Not sure how anybody missed two other players like Mike (Super Jew) Epstein or pitcher Bo Belinski.
No Me;, only close at 19 a couple of times. The strikes cost him twice.m
No, Mel
Did you guys miss the guy who wouldn’t play on Sabbath? Sean Green?
Picked him off about 20 minutes ago, Mel.
as long as ryan isn’t related to eva…
Razzy looks like he has given us his best I suspect his time of holding down big league hitters is over. Aceves and or Horne should be given next licks who is with me?
theres alot of jewish baseball players now. ryan braun Milw., kapler Milw., youkilis, grabow pitt., marquis chicago, and a bunch more…craig breslow, kinsler texas, ausmus houston,hirsh colorado(hurt), scheonweis, feldman texas, Horwitz(SF),
Man do we miss Wang if he was there they would be loaded and he can pitch dep in games which is huge…
What are the odds molina catch’s tommorrow?? then there lineup will be really weak..
rebecca there is a magazine called the jewish sports review.. comes out like 6 times a yr. I think they have a website.
it follows all the jewish athletes, don’t make a joke that it is a very fast read!!!!!!!
Jordan farmar is the only NBA jewish player this yr. a bunch of hockey and football (centers and punters) but only the one basketball player at present…
true many owners of sports teams; wilpon, the rays, marlins, white sox, milwaukee use to(selig), the A’s, and many many more teams..
Mathematical Equation:
late night + alcohol = lousy spelling
”...the Yankees will play in October.”
Bold talk… for a lap-top toting fat man…
Saw Joba pitch last night – hope that fine effort has silenced the folks who thought he was just another bullpen guy.
Pete,
I was in the crowd that thought this was a mistake and readily admit that I have seen the light. I agree the move was not only justified, but will probably prove to be the single most insightful baseball move in 5 years for the yanks.
Having said that, concluding the case is closed and shut based on 5 quality starts, even 5 superlative starts, is somewhat sophomoric. Joba simply has no track record yet to make these kind of assumptions. I understand how easy it is to get caught up in several early successful starts, as I am giddy myself.
But we wont know for a long time whether this move was the right one. At least not until we are celebrating #27. After all that is the only that matters.
As a writer, you should embrace it, as closing the case now unnecessarily limits the number of posts you make on how brilliant it was to move him to the rotation. My way, you can revisit how brilliant your prognostication and brilliant baseball acumen was on a weekly basis.
Let’s see more internal development and less stiffs.
“Having said that, concluding the case is closed and shut based on 5 quality starts, even 5 superlative starts, is somewhat sophomoric. Joba simply has no track record yet to make these kind of assumptions. I understand how easy it is to get caught up in several early successful starts, as I am giddy myself.”
For anyone with a brain, the case was closed before he was moved. The case was closed before he was called up from the minors last year.
He never, ever, ever, was meant to be a reliever. He was a reliever for the
sole purposeof limiting his innings while still helping the big league club.This was no ‘insightful’ move. This was common sense.
isn’t that Giese???