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The ‘stache in all its glory

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 26, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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As Scott Rolen told The Big G: “It’s so awful it’s awesome.” One can only hope that Giambi continues to hit the remainder of the season and never is compelled to shave. Or that Jeter tries to grow one. Now that would be historic.

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168 Responses to “The ‘stache in all its glory”

  1. RayBlay June 26th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Anyone have the before the stache/since the stache numbers??

  2. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 26th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Behold, the Power of the ‘Stache

  3. sunny615 June 26th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Fasano would be proud.

  4. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 26th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    I’ll get the numbers Rebecca, it was the week before the 29th of May.

  5. saucY June 26th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    they really do need facial hair splits. these stat sites are slipping…

  6. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 26th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    Brandon: Wasn’t me that asked!

  7. Russ June 26th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    I know that the Yankees don’t allow beards or goatees (or long sideburns), but is there any rules on mustaches?

    I mean, at what point does the mustache turn into a fu-man-chu? Giambi’s ‘stache is heading south of the lower lip, which looks to me like he’s breaking some rules. Of course as long as he hits .419 vs. LHP, I don’t think anyone will complain.

  8. rb15 June 26th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    that is hideous!

  9. TurnTwo June 26th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Rebecca, doesnt matter, he’ll get the numbers for you anyway!

  10. Rishi June 26th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    I think hair is allowed above the lip…

    M. Garza’s pitching a great game ;)

  11. Bobby June 26th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Obviously it , the stache, isn’t real: looks like something from a 1920′s Halloween costume……

  12. JGNYC June 26th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Respect the Giambino!!!

  13. YanksFanLV June 26th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    That ‘stache is amazing, I’ve been growing mine along with the big G, it’s not goin away!

  14. Francis The Praying Mantis June 26th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Giambi’s mustache should be called The French Tickler

  15. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 26th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Russ, I think as long as Giambi keeps hitting, they’ll let it slip.

  16. fleas (anything is possible) June 26th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    A lot of people here, including Pete said that Arod will NEVER wear a Yankee’s uniform again… we learned that “anything is possible”.

    I say this:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

    Ichiro will be available, bet on it that he wants to be a Yankee as his first pick. I am not so certain about what it will take to get the deal done, but there is a deal to be had within reason.

    Don’t shoot me SJ44, I know you don’t think Ichiro will be available, but this comes from the horse.

  17. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    For what the Mariners would ask, Ichiro isn’t worth it.

  18. gayle June 26th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Matt Garza is channeling his inner Fresno State Bulldog.

  19. fleas (anything is possible) June 26th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    SJ44, I meant to say you think he “won’t” be available.

  20. Rishi June 26th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    wow – no hitter lost to the first batter in the 7th – HR Hanley Ramirez…

  21. fleas (anything is possible) June 26th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Patrick, nice to know you have a crystal.. I think that call that.. “Contempt prior to investigation”.

  22. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 26th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Rishi, you jinxed it.

  23. NYY June 26th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    No-hitter broken.

  24. Rishi June 26th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    well – I read about it on the KLAW chat, so i’ll blame that guy

  25. Mike June 26th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    ROFL at the filename of the image….

  26. gsam June 26th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    my friend and i saw it and joba chamberlain at brother jimmys on the upper east side on sunday night and i have to say that the stache is even more frightening and hilarious up close. and we got to see it “post just for men”.
    good guys though, they even let us buy them drinks and hang around for a bit, highlight of my month actually.

  27. mel June 26th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Ugh, Jason. That thing’s going to take over your face.

    So that’s what a porn ‘stache looks like, huh?

  28. Al from BK June 26th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Ichiro would be what exactly on this team? I guess he would play CF or LF. It is really no practical if the Yankees are going to give away a boat-load of prospects it should be for C.C. Offense is not the problem with this team, and we all know that.

  29. CM June 26th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Regarding that Jon Heyman SI article:

    The single greatest nugget of wisdom in there is that Hargrove is now managing a minor-league club in Liberal, Kansas named the “Liberal BeeJays”. Good for him. I’ve only been to Kansas once, but I’ve alwasy been one of the biggest fans of Liberal BeeJays you’ll find.

    That’s almost as good as Cincinnatti’s pitching coach named Dick Pole.

    – This now brings to a conlclusion my digression into sophomoric humor.

  30. PJH June 26th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    gsam- The last the Giambi needs is someone to buy him drinks. The way things work is terrible.

  31. TurnTwo June 26th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Ichiro, for me, would be an ideal target to replace Bobby Abreu at season’s end, for the 2009 season.

    what would they ask for? probably the moon at first, which you’d balk at, and then actually negotiate something fair.

  32. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 26th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    gsam: Wow that sounds amazing! Actually, from everything I’ve read, they’re both great guys. I’m glad you had such a great experience.

    I would have been way too starstruck to ever be able to do/say anything even remotely coherent.

  33. Mike June 26th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Still want Giambi cut Sj?

  34. Al from BK June 26th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Ichiro will unfortunately never return to 01-05 form. He is well past his prime I am sick of players that fit that description.

  35. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Patrick, nice to know you have a crystal.. I think that call that.. “Contempt prior to investigation”.

    Crystal ball I’m assuming? No, I don’t have one, I just have common sense. Not sure I could say the same for you…

    I would love Ichiro on the yankees but theres no way it will happen. He is their franchise player and he doesn’t fill a huge need for the Yanks. I guarantee you any trade for Ichiro will begin with Jackson, Hughes, Cano.

  36. Nate C. June 26th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    gsam – amazing story.

    PJH – Who cares if he bought a rich guy with a sweet stache a beer. we’re yankee fans. its not like jason asked to have a $5 beer bought for him. plus – look at that stache!

  37. sfill June 26th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    The power of the stache !!
    He can NOT get rid of this until the world series is won!
    It has magical powers!
    I think Hawkins & Farnsworth may want to consider growing a super-stache!

  38. Guiseppe Franco June 26th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Ichiro will be available, bet on it that he wants to be a Yankee as his first pick. I am not so certain about what it will take to get the deal done, but there is a deal to be had within reason.

    Jon Heyman is full of BS.

    Ichiro is going nowhere. Not only because he is the face of the franchise but because he’s also owed 4/$70M on his contract after this season.

    He’s also 4 months away from his 35th Birthday and his production is in decline.

    The Yanks aren’t stupid enough to trade for Ichiro now and neither is anyone else.

    That same article says that King Felix could be had. That is preposterous.

    If Seattle traded away 23 of it’s 25 players, the two players remaining would be King Felix and Ichiro.

    I have to question what Jon Heyman is smoking these days because neither of those guys are going anywhere.

  39. FL Yank June 26th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Fear the Stache

  40. Wave Your Hat June 26th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Ichiro will be 36 next year and his numbers are way off this year. As much as I would like an Ichiro from his prime, I think that ship has sailed.

  41. whozat June 26th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    “Ichiro will unfortunately never return to 01-05 form. He is well past his prime I am sick of players that fit that description.”

    Yeah…I mean, he’d be an upgrade over Melky in CF, at least in the short term…but it’s not like he gets on base amazingly well. Sure, he’s fast, and he’s gotten lots of hits in the past…but getting him now seems like exactly the sort of thing the Yankees used to do: get a big name with a bunch of years left, and play him as he declines.

  42. TurnTwo June 26th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    GF, Heyman writes those articles to include the sexy names like Felix and Ichiro, but then never has an ounce of substance to substatiate his claims. i agree, he’s awful.

  43. farnsworthy June 26th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    SJ is a wannabe scout. Cut him some slack.

  44. Someone Else June 26th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    “A lot of people here, including Pete said that Arod will NEVER wear a Yankee’s uniform again… we learned that “anything is possible”.

    I say this:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

    Ichiro will be available, bet on it that he wants to be a Yankee as his first pick. I am not so certain about what it will take to get the deal done, but there is a deal to be had within reason.

    Don’t shoot me SJ44, I know you don’t think Ichiro will be available, but this comes from the horse.”

    The quote from the article you’re referencing:

    “But if the Mariners really want to shake things up, they should seriously consider trading Ichiro”

    ‘Should seriously consider trading’ does not equal ‘are considering trading’.

    I really have to question your intelligence on this. Learn to read at a 4th grade level, please.

  45. whozat June 26th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    “Don’t shoot me SJ44, I know you don’t think Ichiro will be available, but this comes from the horse.”

    I didn’t know that Heyman and Ichrio were the same person. if they’re not, then this just comes from another speculating journalist and not straight from the horse’s mouth at all.

    Also, why would we “bet on it” that he wants to come to the Yankees? He likes being on the west coast…it’s closer to home.

  46. gayle June 26th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    Finally a reason to listen tot he fan Phil HUghes on now

  47. farnsworthy June 26th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    yes everyone trust Guiseppe Franco! he is a great MLB scout…….. NOT!

  48. Blargh June 26th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Heyman’s just speculating to go along with his opinion that the Mariners should offer everybody in a firesale.

    Shipping Ichiro out is akin to the organization shooting itself in the kneecaps.

  49. al arodien June 26th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns

    this is the link to the stroy about Chacon!
    dosent mean he is a bad guy he just lost himself! it could happen to anyone!

  50. jay destro June 26th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    I really want side by sides of him and Keith Hernandez sponsored by Just For Men. Clyde can come by and do color.

  51. jimmy 27 June 26th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Phil on the fan

  52. Rishi June 26th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    hughes on WFAN

  53. Wave Your Hat June 26th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Believe it or not, stolen bases aside, Melky’s numbers aren’t much worse this year than Ichiro’s. In two years, my guess is Melky will be better. I’m not pushing Melky, just saying Ichiro isn’t where the Yanks need to go.

  54. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    The Mariners should have a firesale but the two guys they should KEEP are Hernandez and Ichiro. Bill Bavasi really screwed that team over, they should have been in rebuilding mode but instead he gave up tons of talent for Bedard. I bet they wish Jones, Sherill, etc were still in Seattle.

  55. al arodien June 26th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns

    dosent mean he is a bad guy! he just lost himself!

  56. TurnTwo June 26th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    ichiro is on pace to steal more bases this year than any other year he’s spent in the major leagues. he’s still got a rocket for an arm, and he could surely take advantage of the short porch in RF.

    i dont think the Mariners will trade him, but he’s not your typical rapidly declining veteran that most people are portraying him to be.

  57. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    I can’t listen to the radio at the moment, can you all give updates on what Hughes is saying?

  58. farnsworthy June 26th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    yeah, bedard is TERRIBLE!

  59. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    “i dont think the Mariners will trade him, but he’s not your typical rapidly declining veteran that most people are portraying him to be.”

    Plus in a few years hes going to convert to being a pitcher!

  60. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    “yeah, bedard is TERRIBLE!”

    Not exactly… but that trade was terrible for a team like the Mariners who should be rebuilding. Bedard would be great on a team like the Yankees, Phillies, Cubs, etc. All teams that need an extra arm and have a chance at making the playoffs.

  61. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 26th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    Ok I did the math RayBlay

    Since April 22nd in Chicago to be exact

    Jason “‘Stache” Giambi

    .310/.434/.601 w/ 13 HR, 38 RBI, 23 XBH

  62. TKinDC June 26th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Doggy trying to push a Hughes trade to his face – what a jerk!

  63. Confucius June 26th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    “I can’t listen to the radio at the moment, can you all give updates on what Hughes is saying?”

    Nothing earth-shattering. Just about his bad start and how he’s motivated to come back and pitch better. He doesn’t think he’ll be traded.

    He’s on to promote something.

  64. Global Warming June 26th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    The Sports Hernia had something to say about Giambis stache’.

    http://thesportshernia.typepad.....per-g.html

  65. Rishi June 26th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    nothing intersting – he’s promoting a new razor… disappointed with how his season’s been so far – wants to get out there and get pitching again, not surprised with how well Joba’s been doing, not worried about being traded.

  66. gsam June 26th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    pjh, i’m not sure why you are negative about that?
    i went to the 1pm on sunday, saw a great game, then went to dinner.
    then we saw two huge yankees players, showing up in one of my favorite spots in the city and hanging out like they are regular guys. plus giambi had a great game. why wouldn’t i buy them a beer??
    for the first couple of minutes we just stood around and shook their hands and looked at them… i think we were hypnotized by the stache. but then we were able to shake it off and be somewhat human around them haha

  67. bronxbomber77 "Fear the 'Stache" June 26th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    I fear the ‘stache.

    When I go to the game at the end of the month, I’ll be in my Giambi jersey with a big ‘Sharpie’ Stache drawn on my upper lip.

    Ichiro? Maybe three years ago….

  68. bluyt June 26th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    juice juice juice

  69. RayBlay June 26th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    thanks Brandon
    wow… huge OPS and that would be an mvp-worthy season if it lasted the whole year… I wonder if he would actually be able to keep that up over an entire season

  70. whozat June 26th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    “ichiro is on pace to steal more bases this year than any other year he’s spent in the major leagues.”

    Ok. But he doesn’t get on base much more than league average. He also doesn’t get a lot of extra base hits. His base-stealing kind of makes up for the latter, but it can’t make up for BOTH.

  71. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    I doubt Hughes will be traded. What is the point of cutting him loose when his value is at an all-time low?

  72. whozat June 26th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    “When I go to the game at the end of the month, I’ll be in my Giambi jersey with a big ‘Sharpie’ Stache drawn on my upper lip.”

    Just for Men REALLY needs to sponsor a Giambi fake mustache day where the first 18000 fans get fake mustaches to wear during the game.

  73. gsam June 26th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    rebecca,
    it really was a great experience. we had no idea what to expect when we turned around and saw joba and the stache, but like you said, they are great guys. a fun story to be able to tell

  74. whozat June 26th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    “I doubt Hughes will be traded. What is the point of cutting him loose when his value is at an all-time low?”

    He also can’t be traded while he’s on the DL. He’d have to be a PTBNL, and no one’s making a big-time deal for a young pitcher with no MLB track record that’s still rehabbing.

  75. TurnTwo June 26th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    “But he doesn’t get on base much more than league average. He also doesn’t get a lot of extra base hits.”

    right now, he’s got a better average and OBP than Bobby Abreu currently does.

    and while Abreu is slugging more, i honestly think ichiro’s slugging would increase by a fairly substantial margin if he was hitting towards the RF porch 81 games a year.

  76. TurnTwo June 26th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Hughes isnt going anywhere anytime soon.

  77. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 26th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    gsam: I think the one thing I would have done was asked for a picture.

  78. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 26th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Correction according to Kat O’Brien’s past article Giambi began growing the “Pornstache” The week before the 29 of May

    But pre ‘Stache April 1st to April 20th
    Jason Giambi
    .109/.288/.283 w/ 2 HR, 6 RBI, 4 XBH

    Since April 22nd (still prestache) in Chicago to be exact

    Jason “‘Stache growing” Giambi

    .310/.434/.601 w/ 13 HR, 38 RBI, 23 XBH

  79. Russell NY June 26th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Jeff Karstens and IPK for Jake Peavy and Prince Fielder. Plus cash from San Diego.

  80. Wave Your Hat June 26th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Ichiro’s BA is down, but he’s walking as much as ever, maybe more, so maybe the downturn in batting average won’t last. Although his SLG is down, it looks like that is all batting average related – I think he is on pace to get as many extra base hits this year as last year or the year before. But he is 36 and the big drop in BA worries me. I’d like to go for someone who’s best days are ahead if possible.

  81. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    I think Ichiro will end up with great numbers this season despite the way he’s played thus far. I would love to have him on the Yanks but there are two problems. First I highly doubt he’s available. Second, if he were, he would be incredibly over priced. Also there is no way his production will be less than Melky’s in two years.

  82. whozat June 26th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    “and while Abreu is slugging more, i honestly think ichiro’s slugging would increase by a fairly substantial margin if he was hitting towards the RF porch 81 games a year.”

    Why? It’s not like he drives a lot of balls deep to right field that would change from doubles to homers if he played in a different park. He might become more pull conscious, sure, but that’d likely lead to even more of a dip in his average.

    “right now, he’s got a better average and OBP than Bobby Abreu currently does. ”

    So? Is Bobby signed for four more years? Does he cost 18 mil per? Do they need to give up young talent to get him?

  83. Russell NY June 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    The stache myth is simple… it provides a greater equilibrium. It also rises left or right based on pitch location so Giambi’s peripheral vision of the stache gives him the spots.

  84. Wave Your Hat June 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    correction – Ichiro will be 36 next year. Sorry.

  85. gsam June 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    rebecca, i agree. we talked about it later. we didn’t have a camera and it was too dark for a cell phone picture, but we could have asked someone to email the picture from their phone.
    i think at the time we weren’t really thinking clearly haha. or just trying to act nonchalant haha. if someone recorded us around them it would probably be very entertaining.

  86. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    “Jeff Karstens and IPK for Jake Peavy and Prince Fielder. Plus cash from San Diego.”

    Thats way too much to give up for those two scrubs. Milwaukee would have to throw in Ryan Braun to make it worth our while.

  87. Brent (This Damon Guy's For Real, Huh?) June 26th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    I think the stache looks great.

  88. Wave Your Hat June 26th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Patrick-

    In two years Melky will be 25 and Ichiro will be 37. I wouldn’t bet on Ichiro being better then.

  89. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 26th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Alex start growing your ‘stache :)

  90. Russell NY June 26th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    “So? Is Bobby signed for four more years? Does he cost 18 mil per? Do they need to give up young talent to get him?”

    A guy in his mid-30′s, afraid to go near a wall or make any kind of forward diving catch is not going to make 18 mil.

  91. Russell NY June 26th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    If Alex Rodriguez grew a stache, opposing pitchers would wear flak jackets and the homerun wall would have open doors for the outfielders to run through.

  92. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 26th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    gsam: Ah, well, you’ll always have the memory!

  93. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Except that Ichiro is a hall of famer and Melky is a fourth outfielder at best.

  94. billy June 26th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Look for some updates later from CJ. He talked to Mark Newman.

    “Might not have much of a game blog going today. I spent quite a bit of time talking to Mark Newman pregame and I’ll be posting that information during the game. It’s good stuff, but not good news for those of you calling for Mark Melancon to get to New York any time soon.”

  95. TurnTwo June 26th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    “Also there is no way his production will be less than Melky’s in two years.”

    is this because we’re seeing such tremendous development in Melky’s game this year?

    “So? Is Bobby signed for four more years? Does he cost 18 mil per? Do they need to give up young talent to get him?”

    i could care less about salary. its widely believed that the Yankees would look to resign Abreu after this season, being as tho they have noone to take over in RF next season. so would you rather have Ichiro or Abreu for the next couple seasons?

    “Why? It’s not like he drives a lot of balls deep to right field that would change from doubles to homers if he played in a different park.”

    he tailors his game to putting the ball in play where its pitched in the zone… but ive seen Ichiro turn on balls and drive them out of the park with ease, and 57 of his 70 career HRs have been pulled to the RF stands. i absolutely think he’d hit hit more HRs in the Stadium.

  96. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    “is this because we’re seeing such tremendous development in Melky’s game this year?”

    Are you confusing what I said? Wave your hat said that in two years Melky will be a better player than Ichiro. I disagreed.

  97. Wave Your Hat June 26th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Hall of Famers grow old, unfortunately, and young fourth outfielders can improve.

  98. sunny615 June 26th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    jason (baltimore, md): I asked Jim Callis the same question yesterday and he says the edge goes to the birds… Matusz/Arrieta/Tillman or Hughes/Kennedy/Chamberlain?

    Keith Law: (1:19 PM ET ) I’ll take the Yanks’ trio.

    ——————————————————————————–
    Andre GA: Will Mussina reach 300 wins and the HOF??

    Keith Law: (1:34 PM ET ) No, and probably not.
    ——————————————————————————–
    Austin Jackson: Are my AA-ball stats a fluke or am I really a future mlb star?

    Keith Law: (2:08 PM ET ) Future star.
    ——————————————————————————–
    Adam (Delaware): Mark Melancon has thrown 54 innings in the minors this year. If they Yankees plan to call him up, how many more innings can he reasonably be expected to throw coming of of TJ surgery? Why has he thrown so many innings so far in the first place?

    Keith Law: (2:35 PM ET ) I don’t know what their plan is with him; maybe this is how they want to build his arm strength back up?
    ——————————————————————————–
    Mike (NYC): Hey Keith – huge fan of your work. Has Ricciardi over-stayed his effectiveness as a GM? Also, do the Yanks have any quality to elite position player prospects in the minors other than A Jackson? Thanks

    Keith Law: (2:51 PM ET ) Jesus Montero, for starters. And Tabata if he ever gets his head out.

  99. Rishi June 26th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Neyer’s posted re: Chacon (you might need Insider access to read it):

    http://insider.espn.go.com/esp.....=neyer_rob

  100. saucY June 26th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    the sports hernia’s been doing a great job following the stache’s journeys. i’m a big fan and a few weeks ago changed my fantasy league team’s name to ‘State Trooper Giambi’ with this as the logo

    http://www.thesportshernia.com.....giambi.png

  101. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    “Hall of Famers grow old, unfortunately, and young fourth outfielders can improve.”

    Not to such a great degree. You are wrong on this one IMO.

  102. TurnTwo June 26th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Patrick, yeah, read you wrong. totally agree.

  103. Wave Your Hat June 26th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Plus, I never said Melky will be better, I said my guess is he would be better. I wish I could say there was no difference, but there is.

    Also, I posted some reasons above why Ichiro’s season this year might not indicate he’s in decline, so I’m not some big Ichiro hater.

  104. West Coast Fan June 26th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    i’m waiting for the full-on Goose Gossage fu-manchu

  105. GG2000 June 26th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Well, after his playing days are over, I’m sure that Giambi would be able to find work in those W.B. Mason commercials.

  106. TurnTwo June 26th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    i’ll add that even if Ichiro were made avalable, which i dont think he will be, i wouldnt give up much for him, because of the salary the Yankees would be taking on…

    that wouldnt jive well with the Mariners, i’m sure, so this is just fantasy speak.

  107. Ron Jeremy June 26th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Giambi is a wannabe. No future in the flick industry. He lacks the oomph that the hotties want.

  108. TurnTwo June 26th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    “i’m waiting for the full-on Goose Gossage fu-manchu”

    that HAS to be the next logical step from here, unless he goes the opposite way with a hitler ‘stache.

  109. Russell NY June 26th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Scott Proctor is on the DL with an elbow injury lol

  110. Rishi June 26th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    From Jayson Stark:

    • The Joba Watch: After watching two of Joba Chamberlain’s starts, one scout’s conclusion is: “I think he ought to be a closer, not a starter. His pitch counts get so high that I don’t know how deep he’ll be able to get in the game. And he’ s such a max-effort guy, I keep asking myself: ‘What’s he going to look like after his first surgery, if he keeps starting?’ “

  111. Fredo Corleone June 26th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    “It’s good stuff, but not good news for those of you calling for Mark Melancon to get to New York any time soon.”

    Hmmmmmm. Guess definition of “anytime soon” is needed. I expect him 8/1, but I am also concerned about the innings. Don’t care how easy some of them are, 2-3 innings at a time plus warming up ahead of that on a TJS reconstructed shoulder is reason to worry a little.

  112. whozat June 26th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    “i could care less about salary. its widely believed that the Yankees would look to resign Abreu after this season, being as tho they have noone to take over in RF next season. so would you rather have Ichiro or Abreu for the next couple seasons?”

    I don’t want to give up a plethora of young talent for Ichiro’s 36-40 year old seasons. It doesn’t make sense. Two years from now, when everyone realizes that he’s not who he used to be, his salary will make him unmoveable and we’ll be complaining about having YET ANOTHER over-the-hill vet signed to an albatross of a contract.

    “he tailors his game to putting the ball in play where its pitched in the zone… but ive seen Ichiro turn on balls and drive them out of the park with ease”

    I never said he COULDN’T. I said that doing so would probably cause a further drop in his batting average. And, since his OBP is already a not-too-amazing .350 or so, sacrificing more of that to get his SLG up to .400 just doesn’t seem like something I want to give up a bunch of talent to get.

  113. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Hahaha Joba is NOT a max-effort thrower. He sits at 94 unless he needs a little extra juice then jacks it up to 98. What an absurd comment, all the nay-sayers are grasping at straws so they look less like idiots for wanting Joba as as set-up man.

  114. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 26th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    WOW Futures U.S. OF announced no Austin Jackson :(

  115. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 26th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Rishi, I’m not a fan of that scout.

    I think Joba’s pitch count will come down eventually–he is getting more economical.

    Anyway, he’s a strike out pitcher, so his pitch counts will get high.

  116. whozat June 26th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    “Don’t care how easy some of them are, 2-3 innings at a time plus warming up ahead of that on a TJS reconstructed shoulder is reason to worry a little.”

    It seems like sitting 2-3 days and then throwing 25-35 pitches would be less stressful on his elbow (which is where he had the surgery) than getting up every other day or a couple days in a row to throw 15-20 pitches.

    Also, what idiot scout looks at a 22 year old pitcher and thinks that his pitch efficiency at that age indicates much of anything? Does he also think Matsuzaka should a closer? He still throws 120 pitches to get through 6 innings.

  117. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 26th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Richard Jefferson has been traded to the Bucks Rebecca

  118. Fredo Corleone June 26th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Re: Stark’s Joba Watch:

    115 pitches is a lot for 7 IP, but that’s what he admittedly is. He works into counts at times. He has, at times, shown the ability to pitch to contact, but it doesn’t really seem to be his game. Max effort guy eh? I’d grant his is not a free and easy motion, but I’ve seen worse.

  119. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 26th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Brandon: No A Jackson?! Wow! Any Yankees make it?

  120. whozat June 26th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    “WOW Futures U.S. OF announced no Austin Jackson”

    Well…he’s doing well for a kid so young, but it’s not like he’s lit the world on fire over the year. There are probably others whose performance was better than his.

  121. TurnTwo June 26th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    “Two years from now, when everyone realizes that he’s not who he used to be, his salary will make him unmoveable and we’ll be complaining about having YET ANOTHER over-the-hill vet signed to an albatross of a contract.”

    we fundamentally disagree about ichiro’s deterioration rate. thats fine.

    “I said that doing so would probably cause a further drop in his batting average.”

    how would depositing HRs over the RF wall cause his BA to drop further? i dont feel for him, hitting for more power completely correlates to less contact.

    “just doesn’t seem like something I want to give up a bunch of talent to get.”

    thats something you and I both agree with… which is why i said, even if the Mariners would make him available, which they wont, if i were the Yankees, i wouldnt offer much in return bnecause of the salary you are taking on in the deal… and you would imagine that wouldnt make Mariners management very happy, and no deal would/could be struck.

  122. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Richard Jefferson has been traded to the Bucks Rebecca

    Are you serious?

  123. Rishi June 26th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Yeah – i think we have to define “deep into games” – I’ll take 7-7+ innings from him…better than 5 or less from the others.

    I agree that I don’t think he’s a “max effort” pitcher, too – he has enough in the tank at the end of the game, that should say something

  124. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 26th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Yi Jianlan going to NJ

  125. whozat June 26th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    “115 pitches is a lot for 7 IP, but that’s what he admittedly is.”

    Right now, yeah. He’s a kid. How many fireballers came into the league at 22 throwing 100 pitches over 8 innings? That’s part of the learning process.

  126. TurnTwo June 26th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    “Richard Jefferson has been traded to the Bucks Rebecca”

    its something thats been rumored about now for the last week… how the Nets were looking to move Jefferson in an effort to continue their efforts to get under the cap for when LeBron comes over to join Jay-Z in Brooklyn.

  127. Blargh June 26th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Woah, I want to read up on that piece of news (Jefferson trade); what site’s got the scoop?

  128. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 26th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Brandon: No A Jackson?! Wow! Any Yankees make it?

    He can still make the Olympic team

  129. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 26th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Whoa, anyone watching the Euro? What happened to Villa?

  130. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Brandon whos reporting the Nets trade?

  131. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 26th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    I saw that…

  132. gayle June 26th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Manuel and Beltran fine, Runge suspended for a game. Makes sense to me.

  133. whozat June 26th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    “how would depositing HRs over the RF wall cause his BA to drop further?”

    Because it requires a change in approach. He has to start looking to yank balls inside more often.

    “we fundamentally disagree about ichiro’s deterioration rate. thats fine. ”

    You just seem to think that he’ll be immune to aging. I don’t think that a .740 OPS or whatever is who he is now, but he is undeniably entering his decline phase, and his OBP is very dependent on his average…which I think will start to slip as he ages. Especially if he starts cheating on inside pitches to try and yank them over the RF porch.

  134. Jerkface June 26th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Joba has reduced his pitches per PA by over 1 from his first start. In addition he is not a max effort thrower. He has ‘effortless’ speed. It means he can throw 97 without really hurling his arm. Not being max effort doesn’t mean he throws 94 consistently, it means he can touch all his speeds without throwing max.

    Some guys are max effort and only touch 92.

    Joba is one of the best prospects in all of baseball. That scout is a moron.

  135. TurnTwo June 26th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    from cnnsi:

    The Milwaukee Bucks have agreed in principle to trade Yi Jianlian to the New Jersey Nets for Richard Jefferson, two league sources told SI.com.

    The Bucks also are sending Bobby Simmons to the Nets. He has $20.5 million left on a contract that expires in the summer of 2010, when LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh could become free agents.

    This trade could be seen as a sign that the Nets truly are interested in getting involved in the LeBron sweepstakes, based in no small part on his close friendship with Nets minority owner Jay-Z. As a result of this trade, the Nets are no longer committed to paying Jefferson $15 million in 2010-11.

    Yi’s camp was said to be ecstatic about going to the rebuilding Nets and playing in a major market, which was one of the original concerns when he was drafted by the Bucks last year. Yi threatened to not sign with Milwaukee in hopes of forcing a trade to another team.

    The Bucks, meanwhile, are providing new coach Scott Skiles with a veteran player who can help him win now. The Bucks also retain their No. 8 pick in the draft to further revamp their team. The Nets hold the No. 10 pick.

  136. Fredo Corleone June 26th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    “It seems like sitting 2-3 days and then throwing 25-35 pitches would be less stressful on his elbow (which is where he had the surgery) than getting up every other day or a couple days in a row to throw 15-20 pitches.”

    Agreed. I don’t think the organization is managing him badly.

    He’s on a pace that dictates 100+ IP this year. He threw none last year and 8 in 2006. He was a reliever in college. Does he have the juice to for another 35-45 innings this year??? Or is it the Yanks intent to use this year exclusively to build up his arm? That’s all I’m saying.

  137. Joe June 26th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    si.com says Bobby Simmons also going to the Nets. His contract ends when LeBron, Wade, and Bosh become free agents.

  138. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 26th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    The Yi trade makes it very simple what the Nets will target in this draft and his name may be Joe Alexander and clearing up space for LeBron James. :(

  139. whozat June 26th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    “Does he have the juice to for another 35-45 innings this year??? Or is it the Yanks intent to use this year exclusively to build up his arm? That’s all I’m saying.”

    That is a perfectly good question, and I don’t know. But…I think that if I had to pick a way to safely rebuild his arm strength, I’d do it the way they’re doing it now. Not sure how it’ll impact his availability for the big league club. But I hope he gets there in the next 40 days or so. I think he can help.

  140. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 26th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    LeBron on the Nets?! Am I dreaming?!

    He’s a Yankee fan, too!

  141. murphydog June 26th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    From Jayson Stark:

    • The Joba Watch: After watching two of Joba Chamberlain’s starts, one scout’s conclusion is: “I think he ought to be a closer, not a starter. His pitch counts get so high that I don’t know how deep he’ll be able to get in the game. And he’ s such a max-effort guy, I keep asking myself: ‘What’s he going to look like after his first surgery, if he keeps starting?’ “

    Guess everybody is entitled to their opinion. But it seems to me that a real scout would know that young pitchers have to work on efficiency and control, getting the pitch count down. Moreover, judging a guy that just got stretched out during the season instead of ST is kind of silly.

  142. Fredo Corleone June 26th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    “In addition he is not a max effort thrower. He has ‘effortless’ speed”

    I think the truth is somewhere in the middle of the above statement.

  143. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 26th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    My god Micheal Kay shut up !

  144. TurnTwo June 26th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    “You just seem to think that he’ll be immune to aging.”

    not at all. you can factor in aging… but he hasnt suffered a single injury since coming over from Japan to make me think that some major shift in his ability to make contact, or cover a small RF at the Stadium will come any time soon.

    “Because it requires a change in approach. He has to start looking to yank balls inside more often.”

    i’m not even saying he’ll change his approach. i think he can maintain his approach, and turn doubles into HRs because the RF porch is much more favorable to his current home field.

  145. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Sorry to derail the thread but time for a little Nets talk.

    I like the move with RJ, he fills too similar a role as Carter. I’m hoping the Nets draft Alexander with the 10th pick.

  146. Blargh June 26th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    Hmm, sad to see Jefferson go, but I do like getting back Yi and freeing up salary room for LeBron

    Krstic at center, Yi and Boone/Sean Williams at the two forward spots, and Air Canada to go with Harris as the guards?

  147. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 26th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    Patrick Joe Alexander most likely is going to the Nets tonight

  148. TurnTwo June 26th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    “LeBron on the Nets?! Am I dreaming?!”

    its well documented he’s very good friends with Jay-Z, who obviously is a part owner of the Nets. its been speculated on for a while that the Nets whole rebuilding goal is to get under the cap to make a run at LeBron to bring him to NY, and play in the new arena they are trying to build in Brooklyn.

  149. KB June 26th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    Chad Jennings has some good stuff on his site now re: his conversation with Newman. Newman suggested that he thinks Melancon could stay in AA all year. Thinks Aceves is a prospect who could help the big league team for a long time. Seems to suggest Robertson would be up before Cox, but both should be up this year. Too much to summarize it all.

  150. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 26th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Jesus Montero makes the World roster

  151. whozat June 26th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    “i’m not even saying he’ll change his approach. i think he can maintain his approach, and turn doubles into HRs because the RF porch is much more favorable to his current home field.”

    I’m saying he’s not hitting many doubles over there in the air anyhow. He’s got maybe three doubles that way in his home park this season.

    I dunno. I think if they’re going to move for an impact bat, it needs to be someone that’s righty who drives the ball.

  152. saucY June 26th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    when is LeBron a free agent?

  153. CUYanks June 26th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    What’s the situation on the Joba innings limit? Is the earlier than expected conversion to starter going to affect things?

  154. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 26th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    how does Fernando Martinez make the World roster he’s been out all season !

  155. fleas (anything is possible) June 26th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    wow. glad you guys know the same horses I talk to? Thanks for the insults champs.

  156. Patrick â„¢ June 26th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    “when is LeBron a free agent?”

    2010

    “Patrick Joe Alexander most likely is going to the Nets tonight”

    That is my hope, that kid has mad game.

  157. Blargh June 26th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    LeBron can opt out of his contract and become a unrestricted free agent after the 2009-2010 season

  158. Russell NY June 26th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    I smell a win today.

  159. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 26th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Oakland has 3 big time pitchers in this Futures Game

  160. saucY June 26th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    2010 ? geez.. so who do i root for in the meantime? :|

  161. Fredo Corleone June 26th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Sort of surprised Jackson was not invited to play. Denard Span and Schieholtz (sp?) are dogs.

    Seeing some reports that the Rangers may call up that firstbaseman. Maybe that creates a spot for Jackson?

  162. CUYanks June 26th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Yeah apparently Chris Davis was called up today.

  163. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 26th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    BTW Nets fans it’s not over tonight here’s another big rumor

    Memphis is in talks about a trade that would send the No. 5 pick to New Jersey for the No. 10 pick and a future first-round pick

  164. Will June 26th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    People laugh at Lebron to the Nets but it’s a huge possibility. Jay Z and him are boys and he’s part owner and a Brooklynite. The Knicks are a joke and Brooklyn is an insanely happening place right now. Jay Z could easily be selling the idea of owning NYC to Lebron. He would be immediately loved by the city if he came here and when you add a brand new arena to Brooklyn with Lebron in the mix and you have a match made in heaven.

  165. saucY June 26th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    thanks for the Nets updates, Brandon.

  166. Jay June 26th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Nice of Peter to link to the site where he got that picture from.

  167. Annie Savoy June 26th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    That mustache really looks gross – wonder what Mrs. Giambi thinks of it – has anyone ever seen her?????

  168. Toxic June 27th, 2008 at 7:23 am

    I didn’t know Giambi had recently met the Queen.

    http://img104.imageshack.us/im.....mbiro4.jpg

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