Game 79: Mets at Yankees
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- June
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YANKEES (42-36)
Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Betemit 1B
Christian LF
Giese RHP
METS (38-39)
Reyes SS
Castillo 2B
Wright 3B
Beltran CF
Delgado DH
Nixon RF
Anderson LF
Tatis 1B
Schneider C
Pelfrey RHP
Dan Giese (1-2, 0.64) has never faced any of Mets hitters and Mike Pelfrey (4-6, 4.30) has never faced any of the Yankees.
Notes: Damon will play Game 2 in left. … Sounds like Hideki Matsui will go on the DL after Game 1 when Sidney Ponson is activated. … The Yankees dropped two games against the Mets ealier this season. They are 8-5 against the NL. … Robinson Cano is 14 of 33 in his last 10 games with eight RBI. He has gone from .217 to .241. … Derek Jeter has a 13-game hit streak (18 of 51). … Bobby Abreu is 6 of his last 13 with six RBI and two home runs.
UPDATE, 1:42 p.m.: Here we are at Yankee Stadium. Muggy day, a little overcast but hopped up on Red Bull and ready to go. Keith Hernandez is standing 10 feet from me in the press box. I know Mets fans will hate this but I relate more to him as a Seinfeld character.
LaGuardia to the Stadium in 12 minutes. I suspect that will not be the case in a few hours.
In our unending mission to eat into your work day, there will be plenty of updates. The game starts in 25 minutes or so.
UPDATE, 1:45 p.m.: Here are a few facts about the Yankees-Mets series:
* The Yankees are 35-27 against the Mets since interleague play started in 1997. However the Yankees lead the series only 20-18 since 2002. The Yanks have not won the season series since 2003 when they swept all six games.
* Derek Jeter has played in all 62 games. He has hit .386 against the Mets with a .437 OBP and 26 RBI.
UPDATE, 2:03 p.m.: The Yankees and Mets have a combined payroll of roughly $350 million. The 20 players in the lineup today include Wilson Betemit, Justin Christian, Dan Giese, Trot Nixon (hitting sixth!), Marlon Anderson and Fernando Tatis.
UPDATE, 2:08 p.m.: OK, we’re underway here in the Boogie Down. It’s 79 degrees.
UPDATE, 2:16 p.m.: It’ll be interetsing to see how often the Mets test the arm (the shoulder, really) of Jorge Posada this weekend. No team has really run a lot on him since he came off the DL. That SB by Castillo gave them a run.
UPDATE, 2:22 p.m.: Does anybody else find Melky Cabrera (.317 OBP) a curious choice to hit leadoff? I realize Damon can’t play both games on a sore foot. But Jeter? I’d even put Abreu there.
UPDATE, 2:31 p.m.: Big spot for the ’stache.
UPDATE, 2:35 p.m.: Even when breaking a bat, the ’stache delivers. 1-1. That’s 45 RBI for The Big G.
UPDATE, 2:50 p.m.: If Giese stops walking batters, he’ll be fine. Love the tempo he works at. I was convinced when I left the Mets beat after 2005 that Jose Reyes would be a superstar. But his approach at the plate has not been refined.
UPDATE, 3:01 p.m.: This from the AP:
A New York City park will now be known as the Phil Rizzuto Park, in honor of the Yankees shortstop who died last year. Smokey Oval Park in Richmond Hill, Queens, was official renamed after Rizzuto on Friday. Park officials say “The Scooter” grew up in nearby Glendale, Queens, and played high school baseball in Richmond Hill. He died last August at the age of 89.
UPDATE, 3:17 p.m.: Here’s what that double by Derek Jeter did (beyond get him to second base):
* It extended his hitting streak to 14 games.
* It extended his streak of reaching base safely (walk or hit) in inteerleague games to 40.
* It extended his hit streak against the Mets to 18 games.
* It was the 400th double of his career.
* It solved world hunger.
Quite a double. Imagine if he scores a run.
UPDATE, 3:02 p.m.: Our Jose Reyes Love is fading. You have to knock that ball down. It was scorched, but still.
UPDATE, 3:22 p.m.: Just a hunch but this game doesn’t end 3-2. This is based on our vast baseball knowledge.
UPDATE, 3:24 p.m. Beltran is a heck of an outfielder. Great arm, great routes to the ball. Knows his stuff. But he has always played too deep. He should have put that ball away.
UPDATE, 3:27 p.m.: That is four cheap hits for the Yankees. But they all count. Giese needs to not anybody this inning.
UPDATE, 3:44 p.m.: The Yankees got to bed at 2:30 a.m. and the Mets had the day off. But the Mets look like the tired team.
UPDATE, 3:53 p.m.: The Yankees are 4 for 14 with RISP in four innings. 14 ABs with RISP in four innings? That they’re only up 4-3 is a bad sign.
Meanwhile, Sam Borden asked me to pass along his thanks for your generosity. He also mentioned it over on the Face Off blog.
UPDATE, 3:59 p.m.: Interesting spot to put Edwar Ramirez in. The magic changeup could induce some bad swings because the Mets haven’t seen much of him. Or he could hang a pitch and it’ll be 7-4 Mets.
Dan Giese is who he is and expecting him to be more than that is silly. But you can’t walk Jose Reyes up by a run after you got him twice. Throw strikes, let him get himself out.
UPDATE, 4:05 p.m.: The fascination some people have with Ramirez has always puzzled me. His changeup is lethal but his other pitches, including his fastball, are below average. He will strike out minor-league hitters in bunches but a major-league hitter who watches enough tape can figure him out pretty quickly.
Over the long term, he’s simply not a high-leverage reliever. This season has gone just like last season, he was good and then the tapes caught up to him.
UPDATE, 4:45 p.m.: When your relievers make the Ghost Of Carlos Delgado look good, it’s time to get new relievers.
J.B. Cox, David Robertson, come on down. You’re the next contestants.
The Mets have scored 29 (and counting) runs against the Yankees in three games.
It’s not real complicated. Of the seven Mets who have walked, five have scored. Meanwhile the Yankees are 4 for 15 with RISP.
This could be a very long weekend for the pinstripes. Sidney Ponson?
UPDATE, 4:53 p.m.: Alex Rodriguez, ladies and gentleman. Where was that when they needed it in the fourth inning? We kid A-Rod because we love him so.
UPDATE, 5:29 p.m.: Carlos Delgado has nine RBI. He had 35 over the first 75 games of the season. That’s an all-time Mets record, by the way. Don’t you worry, Sidney Ponson will make it all better.
UPDATE, 5:39 p.m.: Just because the Yankees are losing doesn’t mean it’s now time to curse liberally in your comments. I just deleted 25 comments from the spam filter that contained assorted obscene words. Eleven were from the same person. Hopefully that person does not live in your neighborhood.
I know this doesn’t apply to 99 percent of you. But for the one percent it does, please think twice before posting if you’re not smart enough to write something without obscene words.
As for others on the ledge, it’s one game and they were under .500 at the break last season. You can’t make it 162 one-game seasons. The schedule is beating them here as much as the Mets are.
Well that and you can’t expect to win many games when you run Dan Giese, Edwar Ramirez and Ross Ohlendorf out there.
UPDATE, 5:50 p.m.: Andy Phillips hitting for the Mets? This isn’t right.
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Pete…you are a MACHINE !
Let’s go Giese!
Hopefully Dan will pitch like he did last time…and he can get some run support.
edwar will prove every doubter wrong once again. Just like he proved to the Angels how wrong they were.
Lets go Christian!
given the weather scheduled for today – any chance that one of these games get rained out?
Lets go edwar
Should be fun if the Mets have Andy Phillips play first in one of these games – I always rooted for him even though he was inconsistent offensively.
Lets hope we don’t have to see bobble-head Jerry Manuel screaming at any umpires for making a good call.
Can we please STOP using Melky Cabrera as a lead-off hitter? If Damon doesn’t play, there’s no reason the Yankees can’t lead-off with Jeter. He’s not disciplined enough of a hitter and his OBP is a pathetic .317.
Rishi – or if not rained out, could be delays.
“Lets hope we don’t have to see bobble-head Jerry Manuel screaming at any umpires for making a good call.”
Why not? He won’t get the call changed, he’ll get booted from the game, and we can all have a good laugh
“Can we please STOP using Melky Cabrera as a lead-off hitter?”
AMEN! Or try leading off with Justin Christian who can RUN!
Speaking of umpires, did anyone else notice that the umpiring in the CWS semed to be better than in the ML? I thought the home plate umpires in the last 3 games were right on.
I dont quite get the lineup. Damon has had a foot problem, so why not DH him when you have the chance? Instead we are gonna throw him in left field tonight. I dont get it.
I mean – pretty much the whole weekend is supposed to be rainy and humid…I don’t think these four games are going to go off as scheduled
“Can we please STOP using Melky Cabrera as a lead-off hitter?”
You mean the guy who was on base 5 times in his 11 plate appearances as a lead-off hitter last week?
Yes, let’s replace him with a kid from the minors.
jeter
abreu
giambi
arod
posada
cano
betemit
melky
Has there ever been a lineup that people didn’t complain about?
“I dont quite get the lineup. Damon has had a foot problem, so why not DH him when you have the chance? Instead we are gonna throw him in left field tonight. I dont get it.”
Because if you DH Damon then Giambi has to play first base lol
“Has there ever been a lineup that people didn’t complain about?”
Nope.
Inoa Sweepstakes now 6 days away !
“Damon has had a foot problem, so why not DH him when you have the chance? Instead we are gonna throw him in left field tonight. I dont get it.”
Maybe they’re DHing posada in the 2nd game.
“Because if you DH Damon then Giambi has to play first base lol”
Let me rephrase that – because if you DH Damon, Giambi has to play first base in both the day and night games. Keeping Damon out and letting Giambi DH allows us to have his bat in the lineup for both games, which is a good thing.
wait, I’m an idiot. No DH tonight.
Let’s go Yanks!
“Maybe they’re DHing posada in the 2nd game.”
The second game is at Shea so there won’t be a DH.
“Keeping Damon out and letting Giambi DH allows us to have his bat in the lineup for both games, which is a good thing.”
This.
Melky batting
Batting 1st .288/.371/.399
Batting 2nd .260/.333/.353
Batting 6th .235/.304/.333
Batting 7th .252/.342/.370
Batting 8th .235/.292/.370
Batting 9th .294/.341/.404
Pete – Congrats on arriving in the Bronx. Now you just have to navigate NYC traffic to get to Flushing and then back home at the end of it all. Safe driving.
“Inoa Sweepstakes now 6 days away !”
Seen some sites conceding this kid to the A’s for their $4M to $4.5 M bonus. Seems a little premature, but the Yanks are not talked about among the top teams for his services (A’s and Reds mentioned most). Maybe Cashman goes $5M out of nowhere to get it done??? Of course, maybe heartless Theo up in Boston does the same. It’ll be interesting.
I guess the Giambi thing makes sense. I would rather get Damon’s bat in both games than Giambi’s.
“Has there ever been a lineup that people didn’t complain about?”
Surely you jest???
Would like to have seen Posada DH so he could catch tonite and would prefer to see Melky Mendoza grab some bench instead of Damon, but with Damon’s foot issue, I guess we can give Joe a pass there.
Jenny (Philly): Stephania, please talk to me about Matsui. The notes say he is being looked at this morning and may play this afternoon or may do on the DL depending on the prognosis. Have you heard what his problem is? Have you heard any news from the Yankees on his status for today? Thanks!
Stephania Bell: (11:48 AM ET ) Hi Jenny: All we know is what we heard before – that he had inflammation in his knee. The fluid was drained last week but apparently the soreness is persisting. Whenever you hvae fluid in your knee, something inside the joint is creating an irritation that causes that fluid to be produced. Matsui had an arthroscopic surgery during the offseason on his other knee – but both knees have given him trouble from time to time. I suspect this one may be up next – but they will try to get him through the year, which may require more downtime, i.e. DL, now. Unfortunately I don’t have anything beyond that now related to his status for today – he would DH at best, but I think he might sit given how much it has been bothering him.
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K.C. (New Jersey): Stephania, can we conclude that Damon’s arch is ok, prior to the rain out he had doubled and then stole third, sliding in hard.
Stephania Bell: (12:01 PM ET ) Hi KC: I think we can say OK for now. These arch problems can be nagging in how they behave, so if minor it can crop up once then disappear, or it can easily be aggravated with a misstep. I would assume minor for now, especially given his performance, but don’t be surprised if we hear about it again later.
Hey guys does anyone have a link to any information about the proposed ticket prices for next year at the new Yankee Stadium? I’m doing some research and could really use the help thanks.
“I would rather get Damon’s bat in both games than Giambi’s.”
Why? Giambi’s a more productive hitter. That just doesn’t make sense. Especially in light of the foot injury to Damon.
Green Beret 7 -
From last thread:
I hear you on the wave of negativity – I’m avoiding it at most costs!
As for the folicularly challenged, I would just like to say I challenge the notion that that phrase should be reserved for those sans hair; I believe that it is even more challenging, folicularly speaking, to have hair which not only takes over 25 minutes to dry/style, but which can be counted upon to look its worst when you need it to look its best, thus necessitating more washing and drying/styling!!!!
Enjoy the games everyone!!!
“I would rather get Damon’s bat in both games than Giambi’s.â€
You can debate that. But I’ll just say that with Matsui out and Posada playing only 1/2 games, the only legitimate HR threats are ARod and Giambi. Why would you remove 1/2 of that?
I don’t mind Girardi DHing Giambi so he can play 1B tonight. How can anyone challenge the power of the ’stache?
I think that the way we need to win, is we need to steal some bases today. We need to play some small ball, and then mix in Giambi’s mustache.
i hope jc stays up for a while… I would hate to see him get sent down soon… He seems to be that burst of speed that we need… not only is he a good defensive option (despite that error the other night) he is a perfect pinch-runner… please cash and joe for the sake of winning please keep jc up
As far as Inoa I would cut him open and count the rings. He’s probably 22:) As far as Beane, he’s probably playing around to get teams to bid high so he can steal some better talent for less bank.
“I think that the way we need to win, is we need to steal some bases today.”
Yeah, that mike pelfrey, with his 4.3 ERA in the NL, looks like he’s real tough to score on.
How about they just start hitting with RISP. At all. Not homers, but getting hits with guys on 2B. That’s all they need to do.
July 2nd IFAs
“please cash and joe for the sake of winning please keep jc up”
Jaw dropping. You think Justin Christian is the key to the Yankees continuing to win? How about the middle of the order producing with runners on base? That will actually help. Not having a pinch runner.
Michel Inoa Saberscoutin scouting report
I so hope the Yankees don’t let Inoa get away over $1M (difference between the reported Yankees’ high of $3-3.5 and the reported As’ high of $4-4.5).
whozat -
hopefully last night’s 1st inning before the deluge was a sign of RISP hitting to come (not including the Giambino’s effort)
whozat-
the problem is, that we usually have problems hitting the guys that we should seem to hit… it seems every time we play a team that throws one of their “mediocre” pitchers at us, he seems to have that game that no one expects him to have… just saying… not hoping..
When the A’s bid $4.5 million for Inoa, then they should thank the Yankees and Red Sox for the money.
whozat-
when I said for the sake of winning I was thinking the close games when we end up pinch running betemit…. thats just pathetic.. I just think if a game is tied 2-2 in the 9th and Giambi gets on first, it would be nice to be able to sub him with someone who is actually a THREAT to steal bases… could be just me… but I don’t see anyone sitting on the pine during games who is an actual threat…
“the problem is, that we usually have problems hitting the guys that we should seem to hit…”
I know. My point is that Justin Christian is not going to solve that problem. If the boppers don’t get that job done, this team’s going nowhere anyhow.
“I just think if a game is tied 2-2 in the 9th and Giambi gets on first, it would be nice to be able to sub him with someone who is actually a THREAT to steal bases”
K. There really haven’t been that many games like that. And they’d not have been so close if the team was cashing in their scoring opportunities. It’s like closing a gaping wound with a bandaid. Sure, it might help a little…but it doesn’t really matter. You’re still going to bleed to death because of a larger underlying problem.
whozat,
I think alot of people won’t be happy until he have an entire outfield that runs fast but hits little.
JC is a gamer. Maybe it’s rubbing off a little. Gardner and Carson are cut from the same cloth. Gardner is the guy but I was also impressed with Carson in the games I have seen him play. JC and Carson have some trade value, much more so than Shelley.
When the A’s bid $4.5 million for Inoa, then they should thank the Yankees and Red Sox for the money.
I don’t give a damn what they have point is Cashman isn’t letting this guy go, Carlos Rios loves this guy and Yorman Rodriguez who people compare to Carlos Beltran/M-Cab in upside.
Shelley’s current trade value is……
The Yankees have won 9 games so far this year when they have scored 4 runs or less. Last year, they won 6 all year.
The lack of a pinch runner on the bench has had zero impact in their games so far this year.
Their problem is hitting W/RISP. Only Toronto and Seattle have been worse to this point of the season and they are both last place teams.
On a team with this much talent, that’s unacceptable.
As Whozat said, if the boppers don’t hit, they aren’t going anywhere this year.
Exactly. Shelley was great last year in a stretch but he is AAAA all the way. Would be a waste if he gets another call.
saucY,
Just checked out your Jeter Jib Jab photo. Looks authentic.
I wanted to share this NOVA segment I saw the other night. There’s a Dartmouth professor who made a whole new discipline: Digital Forensics.
It was very cool and very worth the time (13 min) to watch.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/0301/03.html
Basically it’s how to tell if photos have been doctored or “forged”. He’s developing stuff with Adobe, too.
If people missed it I’ll post it one last time
July 2nd International Free Agents
Saberscouting Scouting Report: Michel Inoa
Chat with Jerry Crasnick
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Send in your questions now and join Jerry in The Show on Friday at noon ET!
Crasnick Archive: Chats | Columns
Jerry Crasnick: (12:01 PM ET ) Hey folks, Big news in the sports world today — Warren Sapp is going to be appearing on “Dancing with the Stars.” But let’s put that aside and talk some baseball.
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Jason, Chicago: I hear a lot of talk about Sabathia, Bedard, Hardin as trade possibilities for the Cubs. Why not Tim Hudson? He is 33, with a season and a half at $13 million a year, and Atlanta is clearly not winning anything this year. A player like Hudson might be easier to get than a late 20s No. 1 type pitcher.
Jerry Crasnick: (12:03 PM ET ) Jason, The Braves have been hanging in even though their pitching has been decimated by injuries, they can’t win on the road and they’ve been a disaster in one-run games. But their big focus now is trying to acquire a righthanded corner outfield bat before the deadline. Hudson is the bulwark of that rotation. He’s not going anywhere.
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Mark (Corpus Christi, TX): What do you think about the Twinkies? Do you think that they can make a legitimate run against the White Sox down the stretch? Thanks!
Jerry Crasnick: (12:05 PM ET ) Mark, The Twins and Royals are a combined 24-6 in interleague play, so it’s hard to tell if they’re getting their acts together or just beating up on NL clubs. Here’s the interesting thing with Minnesota: The Twins are about to play 32 games against Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, Boston, Texas, the White Sox and the Yankees. So we should know in late July if they’re for real. That said, you have to like the way the young pitchers have performed. And Francisco Liriano keeps inching closer in Triple A.
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anthony allentown,pa: at this point it i sclear that Ned Colletti must go right? His recent acquisitions (Schmidt, Jones, Sweeney, Loaiza) have proven that he can’t even judge talent with deep pockets. The consensus seems to be to promote Logan White before he is lured elsewehre.
Jerry Crasnick: (12:07 PM ET ) Anthony, I know that some of Ned Colletti’s big contracts haven’t worked out, but with the D-backs’ feeble performance of late, the Dodgers are only 3 1/2 games out in the NL West. And Rafael Furcal is about to go on a rehab assignment here shortly. If they can win the division — even if it’s witth 86-87 victories — that should go a long way toward helping Ned keep his job, right?
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Chris (Staten Island, NY): Jerry, when do the Yankees give Brett Gardner a chance in CF and move Melky to the bench? Gardner has a .862 OPS in triple A compared to Melky’s putrid .685 and he offers much more on the bases and defensively because of his speed. Honestly, I can’t possibly see Gardner giving the team any less from CF than they’ve been getting from Cabrera.
Jerry Crasnick: (12:10 PM ET ) Chris, You’re a tenacious guy with that weekly Brett Gardner question. I checked with John Manuel, my buddy at BA, and he describes Gardner as a “Juan Pierre who walks.” He might be a marginal upgrade over Melky. Problem is, he’s not on the Yankees’ 40-man roster. And the benefit they might derive from bringing him up probably isn’t worth having to dump someone to create a spot for him.
Oh, we’re not placing our hopes on the great Christian. We just can’t stand to see Jason clog the bases.
good lord… I was not saying that Christian is the answer to all of our problems…. I’m sorry I was misinterpreted… first off Whozat I would rather put a little band aid on a wound then nothing at all… i’m not suggesting that we need 3 OF’s who can run really fast but can’t hit what I was saying was it was nice to finally have someone with speed who can be a 4th OF and can also come off of the bench and run in tight situations. I’m sorry if I over-dramatized the point by saying for the sake of winning… I did not mean this I just enjoy knowing that an option such as Christian does in fact exist if the need arises and I hope it stays that way
mel – wasn’t me
so sorry – didn’t realize the whole thing copy/pasted…just wanted to post the Gardner question
“…describes Gardner as a “Juan Pierre who walks.†.” The most strike-outs that Juan Pierre has had in a season is 52. Gardner can’t make contact like him.
It seems now that we can avoid Ponson’s start:
Pitch Pettitte tonight. He will still be on 5 days rest. Then pitch Moose tomorrow b/c last night was like a bullpen session.
I know pitchers can’t just bump easily, but Pettitte is a gamer and should not have a problem with it.
Sam VA- unfortunately one can’t make a simple comment here without being attacked and belittled by one the so called regulars.
I think Pete is wrong about Matsui.
It makes no sense to DL him AFTER the 1st game, since you can’t retroactively DL him.
If you’re going to DL him, DL him BEFORE the 1st game, either to have Ponson around for long relief if Giese gets hit hard OR to have Karstens around for long relief if Giese gets hit hard.
(if Ponson is activated for the 1st game and doesn’t pitch in the 1st game, then nothing happens. If Ponson pitches in the 1st game, he gets sent down or DFAed so Karstens can pitch in the 2nd game. Similar rationale with Kartens).
Problem is moose threw over 45 pitches in two innings.
it took eight commments for someone to complain about Melky today. is that a record?
maybe Pete should change the “it’s A-Rod’s fault” poll option to “it’s Melky’s fault.”
How many pitches is a bullpen session usually?
“Sam VA- unfortunately one can’t make a simple comment here without being attacked and belittled by one the so called regulars.”
That is the dumbest thing ev –
oh, whoops!
“I checked with John Manuel, my buddy at BA, and he describes Gardner as a “Juan Pierre who walks.—
Every time I see Juan Pierre who walks I laugh a little inside. He is also Juan Pierre who strikes out 5 times as much.
Seems like every day when I read DotF on River Avenue Blues Gardner has 2K’s.
Lo and behold when I read it just now Gardner has 2K’s.
Even on last Sunday, I believe I predicted Mets will sweep Yanks in this series. (They almost did in the last series back in May, didn’t they?)
Mikeeff- yeah, it’s unfortunate… I am a huge fan and I was just stating my opinion apparently is was misunderstood.. I still do not see the light, however, in making sarcastic comments against a simple point of view.. I see that this is a blog and it is open to many opinions what I don’t understand is if someone does not agree with it, why can they not just question it as opposed to tearing it apart sarcastically…
“Pitch Pettitte tonight. He will still be on 5 days rest. Then pitch Moose tomorrow b/c last night was like a bullpen session. ”
then we’d need a 6th starter sometime next week
Nobody is belitting anybody.
Part of the problem here are the stalkers who stalk regulars on this blog.
It isn’t a coincidence that baseball talk dies in the game threads when the usual band of stalkers, along with their aliases, take hold.
If someone is upset their baseball comments are challenged, you are in the wrong place.
Its a free flowing dialogue and nobody is belitting Sam. We are just discussing baseball.
For the non-stalkers and non-trolls, they understand that.
I have seen Gardner a few times this year and what jumps out at me is his ability to reinvent himself. His power numbers are way up when he said he was working on it and his eye is coming.
“then we’d need a 6th starter sometime next week”
The longer Ponson can be delayed the better. Who knows if another rain out occurs.
bdog375 – good point. maybe Joba can do a rain dance Monday night…
The bullpen definitely needs some help. Everyone is crazy about when Robertson gets the call but Strickland is flying under the radar. He’s a vet and has but up solid numbers in the majors and minors on some bad clubs.
“…describes Gardner as a “Juan Pierre who walks.†.†The most strike-outs that Juan Pierre has had in a season is 52. Gardner can’t make contact like him.
Andy has some kind of weird attachment to Melky and the vast majority of people on this board don’t understand it.
Melky has had 2 years to improve his game and his production continues to sink. How much time do you give him before making a change?
Spare me the patience stuff. Melky’s had two years to improve. He hasn’t done it. It’s time to make a change.
I just don’t think replacing Melky with a weak-hitting strike out artist is the answer. Sorry.
Girardi was on with Mike on WFAN about 45 minutes ago.
Didn’t want Damon playing a doubleheader with his foot injury so he’ll play tonight in LF.
Posada will sit out tonights game with Molina catching.
Moose will be considered for Mondays start but not before then.
They plan on playing Jeter, Abreu, A-Rod, Giambi, Cabrera and Cano in both games today but will check with them between games to see if someone can’t go.
Garnder gets a shot a some point. If he’s as good as Melky and shows that he can improve, advantage Brett.
http://bombersbeat.mlblogs.com/
Marc (Malden, MA): If the Red Sox called Cleveland and said “Masterson/Bowden/Lowrie, pick 2″ would that get it done?
Jerry Crasnick: (12:26 PM ET ) Marc, Theo Epstein has been very resistant to trading the young arms. If the Sox wouldn’t do it for Santana last winter, I find it hard to believe they’d throw Masterson and Bowden into a deal for three months worth of C.C. Sabathia. I think the Red Sox get into the mix for Sabathia, but as a fringe player and nothing more. They might just want to drive up the price for the Yankees.
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Does that mean Crasnik thinks the Yankees will go for CC in July?
I just don’t think replacing Melky with a weak-hitting strike out artist is the answer. Sorry.
Lots of hitters strike out a lot. And most of them are more productive than Melky.
That’s such a weak argument because you ignore that Gardner’s getting on base over 40% of the time (and will steal a lot of bases) when Melky gets on base 30% of the time and doesn’t run much at all.
Strikeouts or not, Gardner would be more productive than Melky. And Melky has shown that he’s incapable of improving his game.
I just realized JC in LF today, Justin is one athletic guy hopefully he shows it off one today.
Ryan (New York): Since it looks like you just wrote an article about him, i figure i may as well ask about him. K-Rod…not the highest paid closer in baseball next year, but the highest paid SET-UP man (NYY)?
Jerry Crasnick: (12:31 PM ET ) Ryan, I’m hearing that K-Rod wants a five-year deal for something in the $13-14 million a year range. (Sounds exorbitant, I know, but he’s 26 years old, and if Nathan and Cordero could get $45-million plus, he can at least ask). There’s no way in the world the Yankees sign a guy for four or five years at that kind of money to be a setup man.
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I’d have to agree.
how did a thread about the subway series turn into another argument about Brett Gardner?
i think at this point, everyone knows where everyone stands on the issues of Brett Gardner and Melky, and it seems like Cashman is in no rush to get him on the 40 man and call him up, so why not just table that for later, huh?
Dan McCutchen and Alan Horne: Why are Dan Giese, Sidney Ponson, and Darrell Rasner occupying the spots that we should be holding? dont we have far more potential, whereas these guys wont even be on the team next year? what gives?
Jerry Crasnick: (12:32 PM ET ) Dan, I just checked, and you’re 1-6 with a 4.30 ERA in your last 10 minor league starts. And Alan, you’re 2-2 with a 3.86 ERA in Scranton. Plus, neither one of you guys is on the 40-man roster. So I’m not sure you’re the answer.
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ouch. Are we overvaluing our own prospects?
“You mean the guy who was on base 5 times in his 11 plate appearances as a lead-off hitter last week?
Yes, let’s replace him with a kid from the minors.”
I was just thinking we should replace Melky with someone who has talent in some offensive area – like Brett Gardner. Oh wait, that would make too much sense.
“Does that mean Crasnik thinks the Yankees will go for CC in July?”
my guess is no, for the same reason he had about the Saux.
SJ, thanks for the lecture- believe me, i understand perfectly well what goes on here.
“Lots of hitters strike out a lot. And most of them are more productive than Melky.
That’s such a weak argument because you ignore that Gardner’s getting on base over 40% of the time (and will steal a lot of bases) when Melky gets on base 30% of the time and doesn’t run much at all.”
Actually it’s not a weak argument. Do you actually believe Gardner is going to walk at the same rate in the majors?
Do you think he’ll strike out less or more facing better pitchers in the majors?
The ability to consistently make contact is very important for a guy who figures to be a slap hitter.
Chris (Bozeman, Mt): The Yanks obviously need a pitcher with Wong out for the year, are they going to deal for one?
Jerry Crasnick: (12:54 PM ET ) Chris, Brian Cashman has been so resistant to dealing the young arms, my sense is that the Yankees will go for a back of the rotation innings eater — a Paul Byrd type — rather than plunge into it hard for a Sabathia or a Rich Harden. That’s just my guess.
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Mine too.
“Posada will sit out tonights game with Molina catching.”
the only thing i wonder was if Posada has to sit out at Shea bc of the DH, why not DH at the Stadium, and then catch the night game so you keep his bat in the lineup for both games?
Hypothetical (but possible) situation: After the first game, everybody loads on to the buses, but the Yankee bus breaks down and because of the traffic it takes ages for the tow truck to arrive. So, the Yankees miss the start of the game. Do they forfeit? And, does anybody know when the last forfeit in the major leagues was?
We need Brett Gardner today. He might be the only player on the roster fast enough to run from the Stadium to Shea if there’s heavy traffic.
“ouch. Are we overvaluing our own prospects?”
Answer. Yes – in some instances. McCuthchen and Horne are both 25. McCutchen has been less than impressive in AAA. Horne is always touted as having four pitches, but he walks a ton of batters. Can you imagine him facing the Red Sox? How does 8 BBs sound to ya.
I actually would take George Kontos over either one of those guys. He’s younger, has better stuff and more ability to miss bats. Hopefully, he will be up in AAA later this year.
How does one make the leap that Gardner will continue doing what he is doing in AAA at the major league level?
To compare Gardner’s and Melky’s numbers this year is a complete apples to oranges argument. One is playing in the majors and one is playing in AAA.
Do you not see the difference?
When Melky was 20, he was hitting .350 in AAA when he got called up.
He’s younger than Gardner now and he’s in the majors. How is that not “showing improvement”?
We have no idea what Gardner will or won’t be at the major league level since he’s never had a single ML AB.
Is it a stretch to say Melky wouldn’t have Gardner like numbers (minus the stolen bases) in AAA? Its two entirely different levels of competition.
Its why to say, he will show improvement isn’t logical.
We have no idea what Gardner will do at the ML level.
One thing I do know after watching Gardner and Melky a lot over the past couple of years….Gardner isn’t the defensive CF Melky is. Not even close.
He’s an interesting prospect. I don’t think its a slam dunk at all he’s better than Melky. Not now or in the future. That’s to be determined.
“the only thing i wonder was if Posada has to sit out at Shea bc of the DH, why not DH at the Stadium, and then catch the night game so you keep his bat in the lineup for both games?”
Giambi is a hotter hitter than Posada right now and facing 2 RHP from the Mets in the double header, you want the BIG lefty in there.
Oops! Let’s try again.
Sunny,
Just checked out your Jeter Jib Jab photo. Looks authentic.
I wanted to share this NOVA segment I saw the other night. There’s a Dartmouth professor who made a whole new discipline: Digital Forensics.
It was very cool and very worth the time (13 min) to watch.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/0301/03.html
Basically it’s how to tell if photos have been doctored or “forgedâ€. He’s developing stuff with Adobe, too.
I know I posted this earlier, but in case you missed it –
for those of you who want to believe in the power of the stache – take a close look at these pics:
http://picasaweb.google.com/sunny615/FunStuff
“I dont quite get the lineup. Damon has had a foot problem, so why not DH him when you have the chance? Instead we are gonna throw him in left field tonight. I dont get it.”
maybe you should look up Pelfrey’s numbers against lefties.
Giambi can’t play both games at 1B. Damon can’t play both games in LF.
that means Betemit HAS to play one of the 2 games.
Betemit from the right side against Pelfrey makes a lot of sense.
you know, Girardi doesn’t just pick the names out of a hat.
“Giambi is a hotter hitter than Posada right now and facing 2 RHP from the Mets in the double header, you want the BIG lefty in there.”
so the first game you DH Jorge, and Giambi plays both games at 1B.
Hey Mel
Thanks for the link. That’s cool stuff. I know some of it from being a designer and some of it from watching too many CSI shows.
But this link was way cool.
Whozat- How is Giambi a more productive hitter than Damon? Damon is a better player than Giambi, its not close. First off, he is the leadoff hitter and makes the offense go. He is an important part of the lineup and when he hits, the Yankees win. Not to mention he can steal bases and do a lot of things Giambi cant. All you have to do is look at the numbers
Who has more runs scored?
Who has more steals?
Who has more doubles? Triples?
To say Giambi is a more productive player offensively just based on his home runs is a ridiculous, uninformed statement. All you have to do is look at Damon’s stats and the numbers Damon has when the Yankees win.
I take put Damon in the leadoff spot over Giambi in the 5-6 spot every day of the week.
One thing I see Cashman possibly doing with all of these prospects: hold onto ALL of them, and hope out of all of these pitching prospects, 5+ pan out over time. Say, in 2010, you’ve got a rotation of Joba, Hughes, Wang, Horne, Kennedy, with Betances, Brackman, etc. all knocking on the door, and you have the guys that everyone wants. Instead of OMG the Yankees need CC Sabathia OMG OMG OMG how much?, you could have OMG the Dodgers need a solid arm OMG OMG OMG how much?
If the Yankees call up Gardner, I hope that he’s successful. I just don’t think that he is going to be that productive of a player. I’m sorry that opinion isn’t the same as most, but it is what it is.
How do you say we are overrating our own prospects and then want George Kontos called up?
He’s 3-7 in AA and hasn’t pitched well in almost a month.
Horne missed over a month with an injury. Throw out his stats for this season to date. He’s still working his way back.
McCutchen? He has been up and down in AAA. That’s how it goes with prospects. Not all of them have a smooth road to the majors in under 2 years like Joba.
Its not a question of overvaluating or overrating prospects. Its realizing not every prospect moves up the ladder at the same pace as some of the faster rising guys in the organization.
That’s where patience in player development comes in.
MikeEff,
If this place is so bad, why visit? How about contributing something to the blog other than complaining about some of the posters in here?
If you don’t like the content, then contribute something, other than whining, to change it.
Seems simple enough to me.
(Note, I am not implying all of the prospects will pan out, but it’d be so cool if they did).
“so the first game you DH Jorge, and Giambi plays both games at 1B.”
do you really think this is a good idea? having Giambi play a DH in the field?
Mike addressing the “fight” on fan
“Whozat- How is Giambi a more productive hitter than Damon? Damon is a better player than Giambi, its not close. First off, he is the leadoff hitter and makes the offense go. He is an important part of the lineup and when he hits, the Yankees win. Not to mention he can steal bases and do a lot of things Giambi cant. All you have to do is look at the numbers”
One acronym: “OPS”.
Giambi makes fewer outs than Damon does (OBP). When Giambi gets a hit, it, on average, achieves more total bases (SLG).
Giambi is a more productive hitter, on average, than Damon (OPS). This is a predictive stat, unlike runs, or doubles, or triples.
Apparently the are fine on the air and not fine off the air…they have not spoken this week.
I am for holding to the prospects but there comes a time when another team may value one of so-called prospect. We are getting very close to having a logjam in the system. The Angels liked Kennard and we got Molina. Kennard is not exactly lighting up the PCL with Salt Lake.
“I just don’t think replacing Melky with a weak-hitting strike out artist is the answer. Sorry.”
Weak-hitting? And Melky doesn’t fit that bill?
Gardner has 11 doubles and 10 triples. He has a .417 OBP compared to Melky’s paltry .317 OBP. Yes, I realize that Gardner is in a lower level of competition, but this nonsensical love affair with Melky Cabrera has to stop. He’s not GOOD! He’s not going to be the second coming of Bernie Williams. He hasn’t shown an iota of growth offensively. And keeping him in the lineup because he’s young and “has a great arm” is just silly.
Melky can’t hit for power, for average, doesn’t get on base a lot, has little to no speed.
Gardner, at every level he has played, has shown the ability to get on base and steal a ton bases – besides being a plus defender in CF. Wouldn’t you want someone at that position who has displayed positive oat least some offensive qualities as opposed to a player who has displayed none?
“do you really think this is a good idea? having Giambi play a DH in the field?”
huh? you play Giambi at 1B both games, and Jorge DHs the first game, and catches the second game.
it at least keeps Jorge’s bat in the lineup both games.
i dont see anything wrong with that… unless they are afraid Giambi cant play a full DH in the field due to health reasons.
IS mad dog there?
How the hell does this relationship work on WFAN ?
Mike there one day Chris not, Chris there Mike not ? It sounds like the media has it 100 % right either Mike or Chris is quitting.
V- If you want to use OPS as the ultimate in determining a players value to the team, have a good time. There is more to it that OPS. Watch the games and you would know that wehn Damon goes, the Yankees offense goes.
Just a question: how do you resolve the 40-man roster issue if you want to bring up Gardner?
I think they are gonna be done
So far on that sign off it sounds like Mike is at his cross road w/ WFAN and it soon will be over.
“Not all of them have a smooth road to the majors in under 2 years like Joba.”
Amen – I think Joba has spoiled all the people who thought that supporting the “grow our own talent” meant the next wave of pitching would come up like a rocket just like Joba did.
Mad Dog is not on the air with Mike today.
but from what i remember in summer’s past… these guys do this for the summer to maximize each of their vacation time… i always remember them doing a lot of shows in the summer by themselves with the other guy out.
maybe i’m wrong though.
sorry to go off topic but I just cauget the last minute of Mike francesa. What was he talking about? are they ending the show?
Crasnick mentioned that one problem with Gardner was that he’s not on the 40-man roster. Was Christian on it, or did they make a move?
Whoa, whats going on with Mike and the Mad Dog? I just tuned into YES and only caught a snippet
SJ,
Let’s cut the BS with the age difference between Melky and Gardner.
Melky got the opportunity to play in the majors because of injuries to Sheffield and Matsui in 2006. That’s an undeniable fact.
Melky was signed by the Yanks when he was 17 yrs old and spent 3-1/2 seasons in the minors before he got his chance.
Gardner was drafted in 2005 and spent less than a year in the minors when Melky benefited from the injuries to the aforementioned Sheff and Matsui.
Unfortunately for Gardner, he has been stuck in the minors for the last year because of the logjam at the major league level.
If you are going to compare ages, you should be honest about why there is a difference in age.
And Melky is out there every day because of his defense. His offensive production is secondary in the eyes of Girardi and Cashman.
In fact, Cashman himself has said that Gardner would have already been promoted to the big club had he been a right-handed hitter.
So it appears that Gardner hasn’t had the same opportunities to make a difference than Melky has clearly benefited from.
Also, Gardner is just two weeks older than Jacoby Ellsbury so the age argument is disingenuous at best.
Mike says that the siutation will resolve itself over the summer: either they “break up” or work together for the next 20 years, but he doesn’t know what the answer is right now. Also won’t ever talk about his contract status.
“I just don’t think replacing Melky with a weak-hitting strike out artist is the answer. Sorry.â€
Well you just described Melky perfectly, so why not try Gardner?
Brandon- Mike and the Mad Dog are ALWAYS on vacation in the summer. As long as I have listened to them, they are ery rarely together after mid-June. I think your reading into it too much.
“Whoa, whats going on with Mike and the Mad Dog? I just tuned into YES and only caught a snippet”
Same here…
The show is donzo… see yaa,.. i say russo stays and the tanks takes the job he always wanted in mnf
He’s at his crossroad JJ, supposively they had an arguement they haven’t spoken the last few weeks and it looks like Mike is signing off soon.
I’m glad we see the potential for Brett Gardner to blossom and improve at the major league level. He has such a career ahead of him, being that he’s 21 years old.
oh, wait….
i’ll stop fanning the flames for now.
““I just don’t think replacing Melky with a weak-hitting strike out artist is the answer. Sorry.â€
Well you just described Melky perfectly, so why not try Gardner?
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Aint that the truth.
Melky is beyond overrated. His only tool is his arm and that has been a NON FACTOR this year.
Gardner is clearly the superior batter. More doubles power and infinitely better patience at the blate.
ongoing saga this week re: Neil Best’s article on Monday and there are issued with M and MD…they have had like 6 major fights over the last 19 years of workign together and this was a biggie…
sounds like a good soap opera…
“How the hell does this relationship work on WFAN ?
Mike there one day Chris not, Chris there Mike not ? It sounds like the media has it 100 % right either Mike or Chris is quitting.”
They both have a lot of vacation time – but the station tries to work it so that one of them is there every week so ratings don’t crater.
That part about Francessa not negotiating his contract on in the air? He just negotiated his contract on the air.
Sopranos-esque dead air before Eddie… nice touch
“MikeEff,
If this place is so bad, why visit? How about contributing something to the blog other than complaining about some of the posters in here?”
who said it was bad, old man?
i have been reading this blog every day for the information pete provides since 2006. i even read the comments from time to time as an entertainment. i occasionally make a comment or reply to someone who might have a question. it is certainly true that i don’t spend every waking moment of my life here like some, but i am not going to be told what to do my a pompous know it all like yourself SJ.
Adios Mike and the Mad Dog
““Whoa, whats going on with Mike and the Mad Dog? I just tuned into YES and only caught a snippetâ€
Same here…”
He was a lot less optimistic than Chris was about the show’s future.
“unless they are afraid Giambi cant play a full DH in the field due to health reasons.”
yes. this was exactly what i meant.
If they break up Like em or hate em it will be a loss as no one else is as good at them at this format.
Mike and Mike is also good, but not as good as these guys.
if they are smart they wold work it out.
Would’ve been nice to see the Mets play Andy Phillips over Tatis at 1st today, with Delgado being the DH.
Melky haters:
Look at Melky’s numbers vs. Bernie Williams numbers at the same age. They are just about the same.
Melky
http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cabreme01.shtml
Bernie
http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/willibe02.shtml
Here is the Neil Best story from the 21st on Mike & the Mad Dog possibly splitting up:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-spmike0622,0,842426.story
Way to jump to conclusions people. Mike and Chris never work the summer together until Giant training camp in August.
Part of the reason for split vacations is ratings but it also has to do with YES. Only Mike and CHris are under contract with YES so if someone fills in for both of them on WFAN it’s no problem but the YES broadcast can only air if one of them is there.
SJ44,
I’m going to dispute your notion about Kontos not picthing well in over a month. Please check out his game log. He has allowed only more than 2 ER twice in that span, I believe.
Like many pitchers, Kontos’ won-loss record could be attribued to Trenton’s inability to score runs. Kontos does have a 3.27 ERA, not at all shabby.
“Would’ve been nice to see the Mets play Andy Phillips over Tatis at 1st today, with Delgado being the DH.”
that would have been nice for the Yankees.
Um, Pat, they have both pretty much said it this week…
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/WireStory?id=5248427&page=1
“Borris said Bonds even would play for free — offering to donate whatever salary he receives to purchase tickets for children.”
Awwwww. He’s so huggable. We have to do it now, right?
“I’m glad we see the potential for Brett Gardner to blossom and improve at the major league level. He has such a career ahead of him, being that he’s 21 years old.”
Ooohh, Great point! Yeah, at 24 years old, a player should be ready to hang em’ up.
Geez.
Looks like I’m going to see the Staten Island Yankees this weekend up at Hudson Valley. Hope Venditte is going to pitch (from either side)!
Actually, it would have been nice because the fans would’ve given a big cheer for Andy. He’s too nice for baseball. He’d make a great youth minister, though.
Look at Melky’s numbers vs. Bernie Williams numbers at the same age. They are just about the same.
Here we go with the Bernie vs. Melky comparisons. I’m going to have to punch Max Kellerman in the face for starting this absurd argument.
I always chuckle at the Bernie vs. Melky comparisons because it is such a short-sighted argument.
First off, Melky will never have the ceiling that Bernie Williams had. Not even close.
Secondly, a young Bernie Williams wasn’t surrounded by the thunder that Melky has clearly benefitted from. Melky has undoubtedly been the weakest hitter in the lineup over the last couple of years and sees more good pitches than anyone else.
Melky’s support staff in 07/08: Damon, Jeter, Abreu, A-Rod, Matsui, Giambi, Cano, and Posada
Bernie’s support staff in 92/93: Dion James, Boggs, Mattingly, Paul O’Neill, Danny Tartabull, Mike Stanley, Spike Owen, and Pat Kelly.
Do these lineups remotely compare at all? No way.
Gotta wonder how dramatically their production would have changed had they switched eras and a young Bernie Williams played on this team with Melky played on the early 90s teams.
This is why the comparison doesn’t hold any water. It’s an insult to Bernie Williams to make such an argument.
Manual said he is going to try to get Andy into one of these games b/c he thinks that players play really well when up against their former team.
Jerry sucks, why doesn’t he play Andy at first today? It would have been nice to see the receiption Andy would have gotten.
LOL. Barry playing for free would be magnanimous, but the union put up a big fuss.
comparing Melky’s stats with Bernie’s is so disengenuous… Melky isnt half the player Bernie was.
no, seriously, he’s literally half the man Bernie is physically.
and Melky will never be the offensive player Bernie was. Bernie was a special CF, and we should be thankful he played in NY as long as he did.
yeh i caught part of mike’s speech about how the how the show may or may NOT survive. Anyone else have any info on this?? He said something about fighting with chris or wfan – and it hasn’t been resolved off the air-
Anyone know what this is about?
keith hernandez?
i HATE keith hernandez!
i loooooathe him.
he spit on me!
Wow, Brett Gardner has such hype with Yankees fans. We should trade him for some pitching
laGuardia to the stadium in 12 minutes did that red bull give you wings?
Keith Hernandez? Pete, go over there and punch him for the women. He’s a sexist pig and needs to go back to wherever washed up old, druggin’ ball players go. (ideas, Francis?)
TKinDC
You just made a grave mistake comparing Melky Cabrera to the Almighty Bernie Williams
SJ44,
I agree it’s pointless to compare Melky’s numbers in the show to Gardner’s numbers. On the same token, Melky only played 31 games in AAA in ‘06 when he was hitting .350. He was definitely hot but we all know how streaky he is. Right place, right time for his callup.
Said what Rishi? That they were letting an off air fight show up on air? That they have had periods of time in the past that they have fought off air but kept doing the show? That off air disputes alone would not break up the show?
Why not let it play out rather than writing the script yourself. Less fun but more accurate.
LET’S GO YANKS!
Confuscious and Mel-
Barry might not be huggable, but there’s no good reason Not to do it, especially if Matsui is going to be on the shelf for any length of time.
It’s not like we really minded Giambi and Shef and untold others’ steroid use. If Bonds really will play for next to nothing, then there’s nothing to lose.
I think the Yanks should sign Bonds.
Saying “Melky will never be the player Bernie was” is very likely true. However, it would be nice to see an argument other than just saying it is evident.
Melky had some very good numbers at a very young age. Statistically, players who performed as well as Melky did at 21 and 22 have a higher likelihood of a high ceiling than players who did not or were still in the minors at that age.
It’s too soon to give up on Melky, even if it turns out he’s no Bernie.
Unless, of course, we could get a really useful player for Melky. In which case, Gardner could probably fill in for Melky well enough (take that, SJ!).
I wonder if Cleveland would give up CC for a package of players with Brett “Apple Pie” Gardner as the centerpiece?
“Keith Hernandez? Pete, go over there and punch him for the women. He’s a sexist pig and needs to go back to wherever washed up old, druggin’ ball players go.”
but he calls a great game with Ron Darling in that booth.
WYH:
Melky was a pleasent surprise in 2006, though his numbers amounted to a slightly below average offenisve player (OPS+ in the mid 90’s). Problem his he’s gone downhill since. Lack of improvement (in fact, regression) is not a strong indication of a player who will hit his ceiling….and Melky’s wasn’t very high anyway.
jscape,
I’m not opposed to it in theory, and New York is actually the one place he could hide.
But the reality is that with Franco out of the game Bonds would be the oldest guy in baseball. And I don’t know if the Yankees want to deal with the stink. With Giambi, Shef, and Clemens they could say they didn’t “know” about the use. But with Bonds you’d be accepting what is widely assumed to be true.
I dunno, ride the ’stache ’til it crashes.
Almost the ASB and it’s tough looking at the standings. The 2008 Yankees do not compare to the Yankees of 10 years ago. But you reap what you sow and the mismanagement of the payroll, draft and farm has been dragging this team down for at least the last 6 years. Older team = slower start and bad rotation = inconsistent streaks. Now they are also having trouble hitting. (Could it be fatigue and the amphetamine ban?)
The fan impulse is for Cash to “do something,” but there’s really little short term to do. Making a change for the sake of change does not necessarily improve the team. There’s a magical fan belief that kids in the minors or a key mid season deal will somehow ignite the big club and let them pull away from the rest of the pack. It’s a romantic notion, but because so much has changed in the Bronx and around MLB since 1998, a notion is all it is. When I am lucid I have to admit that there are no players ready to make an impact this year being held back at SWB or elsewhere by a stupid Cashman or Hank or Hal. So I’m going to go ahead and cancel the “Bring up Brett Gardner” Dance-a-thon.
As for key deadline trades, haven’t seen one since Abreu and the expert professional opinion seems to be that CC is not coming to the Yankees mid year.
The thing for Cashman “to do” is continue the younger, cheaper, more athletic drive. If Cashman is correct in calculating that the Sox are three years ahead of the Yankees in their retooling plan, then it’s safe to expect the Yankees to start looking a little different – next year. This year it seems that they are muddling through with what they’ve got unless some GM gets careless and lets Cash pick his pocket.
1998 is such a long time ago.
Ron “I sound like a” Darling? yuck.
I wonder if Cleveland would give up CC for a package of players with Brett “Apple Pie†Gardner as the centerpiece?
Dude, don’t be such a whiny baby.
The argument here is that Gardner would be a more productive player than Melky. Nobody is saying the guy is going to be an All-Star.
Why is that so hard for you and Melky supporters to swallow?
Melky’s had his chance for two years. Gardner has not.
Give Gardner an opportunity, and if he fails, then everyone will shut up about it.
I don’t see how trying to upgrade this team internally is such a bad thing.
“Ron “I sound like a†Darling? yuck.”
i wish the yankees booth was half as entertaining and informative as the booth at SNY.
anyone watching on direct tv – can you get the game on my9?? I can only find it on the Mets station
“Barry might not be huggable, but there’s no good reason Not to do it, especially if Matsui is going to be on the shelf for any length of time.”
Put yourself in Girardi’s shoes. If you could sit him down in a small room, just you and him, totally off the record, nothing he says leaves the room … you think he’d say that he’d like Bonds on the team?
This is a guy who plays down injuries that everyone on the planet knows about. You think he wants that media cancer in his clubhouse?
For you strawberries-and-cream fans who have DirecTv, I just discovered that it has 5 different Wimbledon matches on plus a “Wimbledon Mix” channel showing all 5 at once.
Of course none of them can compare with the pomp and pageantry of Melky patrolling center field, so I’m going with the Yankee game.
Fredo-
Yeah I agree Melky’s been headed south. I’m still not ready to dismiss that 2006 season, though. There are times when it looks like he may turn it around, but he hasn’t yet.
“You think he wants that media cancer in his clubhouse?”
absolutely, because he knows that having Bonds on this team will help win games, which is what Girardi’s here to do.
MY9 horrible audio
Let’s go Giese
JoeT, as far as I can tell, DTV is only giving us the Mets broadcast.
Brandon – are you on direct tv?? what channel is it showing the MY9 broadcast?
Ch.9
“absolutely, because he knows that having Bonds on this team will help win games, which is what Girardi’s here to do.”
He’s also here to shield his team from the media. If Bonds were on the team, he’d be a nonstop story that everyone in the clubhouse would grow ill with in a hurry. Especially considering the way he treats them.
eh i was hoping – it’s not channel 9 in Florida – I was hoping you were watching through the baseball package
“If Bonds were on the team, he’d be a nonstop story that everyone in the clubhouse would grow ill with in a hurry. Especially considering the way he treats them.”
but would they win games? yes.
Now this ump is pinching Giese.
Thanks JoeT I flipped to the Mets broadcast just now, MY9 had horrible audio
Giese has trouble vs RHB
great start for giese, huh?
They will run all day on posada.
These guys will run on Posada all day long.
The shine would appear to be off that apple. Let’s hope he can battle.
“absolutely, because he knows that having Bonds on this team will help win games, which is what Girardi’s here to do.”
True enough, but IMO there’s a line you don’t cross. Bonds, by reputation if not in fact, may well be that line.
Giese, Rasner, Ponson, Kennedy all the same
Guiseppe Franco
Sorry – work got in the way of me explaining the grievous faults in your argument until now.
I was making a point about a comparison of performance between melky and bernie baseball. I used “facts” and “statistics”.
You seem to have a magical ability to assess melky’s ceiling (low) vs. bernie (HOVVG – hall of very very good).
I guess we’ll just have to see.
You apparently would have axed Bernie after his 3rd season because he had shown no real improvement and actually struck out more – (sorry more facts – I forgot)
How much longer until Chacon is here to join Mo, Larry and Curly in the rotation?
“but would they win games? yes.”
We’ll win games just fine without him. Teams with far worse lineups than ours are passing despite his willingness to pay for minimum wage … and that includes the team in the one city where he was actually accepted over the last four years.
that’s how you manufactor a hit w/ risp
Giese,Pettitte and Ponson are actually pitching to a AL type of lineup.Even Pettitte got to watch out he’s usally not good against good lineups(Red Sox,Tigers,Indians).
“Teams with far worse lineups than ours are passing despite his willingness to pay for minimum wage”
that doesnt mean their right; and IMO, that just means their stupid.
if you’re in the playoff hunt, and you can add an impact bat for absolute pennies, you do it.
Now we get to see the benefit of Melky leading off the inning.
great at-bat by melky there
that was awful
Melky strikes out to start the inning, like Jose Reyes.
1 point for Gardner.
TK,
This is a different team than the Yanks of ‘93 and ‘94. That was a team that had not won in ages.
There were also no viable options to try out in the minors back then. They have another option now.
I’m not suggesting they trade Melky, I’m suggesting they sit him and give someone else a chance to prove their worth.
Maybe those facts are worrisome for you and other Melky supporters.
And as I write this, Melky looked bad striking out to lead off the game.
14 K day for Pelfrey in Yankee Stadium the way he’s starting off.
“Maybe those facts are worrisome for you and other Melky supporters.
And as I write this, Melky looked bad striking out to lead off the game.”
(yeah – that killed me
)
It is an interesting call – I would guess we’ll see what happens when September rolls around and the roster expands.
from Yahoo’s NBA draft coverage, on the Lopez twins:
“Brook is the more serious one – although he may be the only NBA player who likes “Sex and the City.†Robin has the Sideshow Bob haircut, never stops cracking jokes and dates Michelle Wie, who could use his hair for chipping practice. Alas, Michelle had a quintuple bogey Thursday at the U.S. Open, so the day wasn’t perfect.”
come on Bobby
I want to take this moment to say “I hate the Mets”
At least Jetes didn’t ground into a double play…
I wish they would have given Christian a chance to bat leadoff today. Melky is just not good in that spot right now.
Pelfrey vs ARod
Good job Abreu with the walk!
isn’t Michelle Wie like 16?
c’mon arod – get the lead.
“that doesnt mean their right; and IMO, that just means their stupid.
if you’re in the playoff hunt, and you can add an impact bat for absolute pennies, you do it.”
Not just an impact bat. He’d also probably still be a draw. -Two- things the Yankees don’t have to worry about, and two things a lot of teams could desperately use. Yet they’re still passing.
You may not agree with them, but I’d say they know their clubs bests and whether the downsides of signing him would outweigh the benefits. Girardi can easily track down Cashman and ask him to bring in Bonds. I’d be fairly certain that conversation hasn’t taken place.
The outcome of this game could turn out to be very predictable.
1.) Pelfry has been very good his last few starts and that seems to have carried over to the first couple of betters he faced thus far.
2.) Melky is leading off today. If his first at bat was any indication (it was terrible), the top of the order is significantly weakened by his presence.
3.) David Wright owns the Yankees. Even before his 1st inning RBI single, Sterling read his career stats against the Yanks… very impressive.
Hope this game doesn’t turn out to be painful too early.
“isn’t Michelle Wie like 16?”
She was like 3 years ago… i think she just finished her Fresh year at Stanford.
Not that bad of an inning building up pelfrey pitch count
wish gameday would show where the fouls landed.
Can we PLEASE ditch the Gardner talk for ONE DAY?
He’s not being called up. I can’t call him up, so don’t try to convince me to call him up.
Give Cashman a call and convince HIM.
Lol.
Pete, you took the words right out of my mouth. Melky is .250 lifetime in the leadoff spot (so basically his usual self), doesn’t have incredible speed and doesn’t have a remarkable OBP. Jeter on the other hand, .389 OBP lifetime hitting leadoff. Why on earth is Cabrera the default leadoff man when Damon isn’t available?
Robby catches that every single time
Arod finally found a team that’s safe to hit popups against!
wish gameday would show the shift too if the mets are playing it.
Hey, be happy!
At least you’re allowed to access Gameday at work (Or wherever…)
a hit w/ RISP !
Melky has a .353 OBP in the leadoff spot. So you can really twist it anyway you want.
so-weeet
If only the shift had been on there … 2 RBI double?
Way to go, Big-G.
wow – good job, Giambi
Giambi to the opposite field?
The ’stache’s powers never cease to amaze.
Nobody beats the ’stache
all hail the ’stache!
crap.
It would be great to get into their bullpen early – get the pitch count up, it could screw them for the 2nd game.
and I HATE when they compare Posada to Tek – Posada is so much better it’s not even fair to compare them
I think I should make more premature predictions. Yanks did a nice job of tying this game up in the 1st.
29 pitch first inning for Pelfrey.
That makes me very happy!
… posada’s strike out was brought to me by One a Day vitamin? yeesh.
Every time I see that stache I miss Sal Fasano.
Dang – he struck out the side lol
Melky and Posada struck out on 4 pitches, Jeter on 5.
Yeah, I would love to get into their bullpen early today, burn their best relievers before the Sir Sid showdown tonight. Making Pelfrey throw 29 pitches in the 1st is a good start.
Cmon Giese, hold em here!
test again
Does it look like Trot ‘hit the weight room’ in preparation for this series? I can’t tell.
Hi Pete
“29 pitch first inning for Pelfrey.
That makes me very happy!”
Wouldn’t bet on either of these guys being around by the 6th.
how many pitches does Giese have in his repertoire?
throw a strike Giese. It helps.
Marlon Anderson walks on 4 pitches – at least he was efficient.
boo 1 out walks
psst, Dan: Anderson’s below the Mendoza line.
Let’s get to their bullpen..we can drain them early and screw up the next two games for them. Hopefully at the same time they don’t do that to us though. As we speak Geise just walked Anderson on 4 pitches.
Dang – the 2 times he walked guys so far they were 4 straight balls. Is anyone watching? Nervous or is the umpire squeezing?
Even on last Sunday, I believe I predicted Mets will sweep Yanks in this series (4-games)
Dear Giese: Walks=bad
“Wouldn’t bet on either of these guys being around by the 6th.”
and i would believe this suits us better than them.
Anyone else getting a choppy feed on MLB TV?
Didn’t realize that Giese’s fastball tops out at 87. Pooh
nervous
was that a single or an error?
how did marlon anderson go to 3rd on an IF single to Jeter?
oh boy
ER – you can say that all you want – as long as you promise to come back when the Yankees prove you wrong
That’s not an error this year?
wtf?
Giese is truly rancid here.
Gotta love the power of the stache!!
This is gonna be a fun game !!
there’s no error on that play – it’s the same thing as if you go to second on a base hit on the throw home
our D stinks… Arod made a big mistake…
they are not good enough to walk batters and not play D…
Sterling talking about the Yankees might look into picking up Chacon. I guess Cashman isn’t scared of being choked.
1..more..please
geise is doin’ ok here
I hereby trademark ‘Giese Rolls’
Well, we can’t all expect Aaron Small 2 … can we?
w00t, got out of it!
Back to work bats!
Way to get out of it, Dan. First start at the stadium? If it is, I’d be nervous, too.
Will Pelfrey strike out the side again?
I love it. My impersonator is back.
Get to work bats!
“Giese Honking Good” TM
Another key to telling the real me? I don’t listen to Sterling. Lol.
I will really be upset if the Yankees pick up Chacon. He makes Ponson look like Mother Theresa. He’s a bad pitcher, and after the way he disrespected Guidry the last time he was here….no. I really hate that dude.
Blowing out Pelfrey today would be extra nice to laugh in the faces of Met fans who said he was better than Joba.
Not watching the game but from gameday you can see Pelfrey is getting ahead of a lot of the hitters.
V- email Pete, he’ll figure it out from IP addy’s and boot the fake V.
That was somewhat frightening. Good thing the Mets don’t have Melky in center.
“Does anybody else find Melky Cabrera (.317 OBP) a curious choice to hit leadoff? I realize Damon can’t play both games on a sore foot. But Jeter? I’d even put Abreu there.”
Melky got 140 AB’s last year in the leadoff spot. he’s had 28 ABs this year in the leadoff spot.
who remembers Pete making an issue out of this when Torre did it about three times as often as Girardi?
me neither.
UPDATE, 2:35 p.m.: Even when breaking a bat, the ’stache delivers. 1-1. That’s 45 RBI for The Big G.
How many of those RBI’s are credited to the ’stache? and how many did the Giambino have before the ’stache?
Nice shot by Robby there!!
“Blowing out Pelfrey today would be extra nice to laugh in the faces of Met fans who said he was better than Joba.”
Even when Joba started to pitch in the majors?
And Robbie continues to hit! Avg close to .250 now.
Cano-bi-wan!
Robbie-very nice
Impersonator, please get a life. I own this name. Its trademarked. I’m so for logins.
Way to go Robbie!
Ok, I am not changing my name. Thinking that everything I say, the opposite happens. So if Cano keeps hitting, my name will still stay Cano’s bat.
No one will touch Chacon. He crossed the line with his actions and Cash wouldn’t touch him with a 10′ cattle prod.
damn good pitch, ump sure takes a long time to call it
I wish I had trademarked the phrase “lightning in a bottle” before Rasner and Giese were called up.
If the Yanks sign Chacon, Cashman will arrange to be on a scouting trip when Chacon starts.
Go away, BBB. We need Chacon.
1.1 IP, 4 K
Keith Hernandez might be the best personality in baseball. I watch Mets games just so I cxan listen to him. He is hysterical. And Ron and Gary are also excellent, hands down the best crew in baseball…wish they were yankees/(announcers).
This is one of the funniest things Iver ever heard on a baseball broadcast.
Gary Cohn- “Gary Sheffield steps in”
Keith Hernandez- “Look at that big cock on Sheffield”
5 seconds of off air like silence
Keith- “the way he shakes the bat so much, its amazing how he’s able to turn on a ball….that just goes to show you how fast his hands are”
hilarious.
Betemit K’s with a RISP? Shocking!!!
if anyone knows the date he grew that hairy beast, I can figure out what Giambi’s stats are before and after the “Happening”
How dare my job put mlb.com behind a firewall! =]
Anybody know of any streaming radio broadcasts?
Why can’t the yankees hit with RISP our payroll would suggest otherwise?
Nice – Melky hitting now so we won’t have to start the inning off with his automatic out.
yikes… melky is slumping pretty hard.
the great thing about melky cabrera is that he isn’t just awesome, he’s awesome leading off.
1 for 4 w/ RISP
Melkey down to .252… How low do we go?
“V
June 27th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Go away, BBB. We need Chacon.
”
This post reeks of the V impostor.
DMan, how about an AM radio?
Another wasted leadoff double. Seems to happen every game now.
Melky sucks
“Why can’t the yankees hit with RISP our payroll would suggest otherwise?”
If you could buy RISP, the Yankees would be trying for their 13th consecutive championship.
Love Melkys D but Gardner needs to come up.
great AB by Betemit.. More clutch hitting from the Yanks…
jeez…..
Melky doing a fine job today in that leadoff role.
“the great thing about melky cabrera is that he isn’t just awesome, he’s awesome leading off.”
Even the sarcasm just makes you want to puke.
Melky need to go be a hero in AA Trenton
Anyone listening to this game on mlb.tv? I think they have the broadcast mixed up!!! LOL!!! First I had to wait for the game to beam up as if it were archived and not live. Then Sterling starts talking about the weather being cold in Yankee Stadium, with rain and windy. Huh? Sterling also says that Rasner and Santana are pitching TONIGHT for the game I am listening to! The pregame show, Sterling talks to Joe and is talking about Kennedy’s pitching last night. I’ve listened to 10 minutes of this. I now believe I AM either HAVING A NERVOUS BREAKDOWN or this is the original rained out game with the Mets and Yankees.
WTF!!!???
V-
Hah yes, if I had one here at work. Although reception is ussualy iffy.
“Love Melkys D but Gardner needs to come up.”
And Bingo was his name-o.
““V
June 27th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Go away, BBB. We need Chacon.
â€
This post reeks of the V impostor.”
Yup – thanks
I’d like to think that I write at a somewhat more adult level than the troll.
1 for 5 RISP through 2 innings.
Things will get better…things will get better…
“1 for 4 w/ RISP”
Sucks, but on the bright side, besides Jorge’s K the other two outs were made by WB & Melky, and failing to drive in RISP is how they roll. After someone posted that Giambi’s BA with RISP was something like .138 after the Pittsburgh stinker, he seems to be coming through with men on since then, so that is encouraging to see.
Keith Hernandez might be the best personality in baseball. I watch Mets games just so I cxan listen to him. He is hysterical. And Ron and Gary are also excellent, hands down the best crew in baseball…wish they were yankees/(announcers).
This is one of the funniest things Iver ever heard on a baseball broadcast.
Gary Cohn- “Gary Sheffield steps in”
Keith Hernandez- “Look at that big c@$k on Sheffield”
5 seconds of off air like silence
Keith- “the way he shakes the bat so much, its amazing how he’s able to turn on a ball….that just goes to show you how fast his hands are”
hilarious.
Melky is done
Cant afford to keep throwing 6-7 pitches to batters Giese and not getting them out.
Why do some people only post when negative things happen?
“Keith Hernandez might be the best personality in baseball. I watch Mets games just so I cxan listen to him. He is hysterical. And Ron and Gary are also excellent, hands down the best crew in baseball…wish they were yankees/(announcers).”
couldnt agree more.
Let’s see
Yanks open inning with double = 0 runs
Mets open inning with single = …?
You should be careful, Pete, Red Bull and morbid obesity aren’t a good combo. Your ticker’s already working overtime… Mangino wouldn’t smoke crack, would he?
“Cant afford to keep throwing 6-7 pitches to batters Giese and not getting them out.”
Man’s not a career minor leaguer by accident.
V, yeah, I think we can all tell the difference by now. Eventually he will tire of his little games and move on to impersonating someone else – hopefully not me since I suggested it, lol.
Just go away already fake V.
I have emailed Pete about this so many times. We need to have registration on this site. Everyone should be required to have logins. That way we eliminate all these trolls and impostors.
I actually think we should take it one step further. Everyone must re-enter their password every time they want to post a comment. That way people won’t waste their time with stupid posts.
“Why do some people only post when negative things happen?”
same thing with my dad. he only calls to talk about the yanks after a loss. which sucks when i have a game waiting for me to watch on tivo and i get a “did you watch it yet?” call from him…
“umm, no. but do i need to now?”…
pat – frustration?
then again, with a $200 million team, unless they’re winning 10 – 0 someone’s always going to be frustrated about something.
Brandon Inge pulled a Pavano, something with a pillow?
V – at least you can say anything you want now blame the other guy lol
Giese and Sid the Drunk? Get ready bullpen.
good god, is giese going to go 5 innings? he’s already has 50 pitches and is only 1/3 of the way through the 3rd inning.
You’re right JoeT. lol
Ohlendorf the long guy this afternoon????
This AB is going on way too long for my comfort. And I knew f’n Castillo was gonna steal there, aurgh.
This is looking like an Ian Kennedy start.
“Gary Cohn- “Gary Sheffield steps inâ€
Keith Hernandez- “Look at that big c@$k on Sheffieldâ€
5 seconds of off air like silence
Keith- “the way he shakes the bat so much, its amazing how he’s able to turn on a ball….that just goes to show you how fast his hands are—
He actually did that? Is there a YouTube of this somewhere?
score and inning please
V no one here cares about your little problems. Focus on the game already you whiny brat. Like Pete cares what happens here?
This afternoon and this evening is my bet.
After this series,
Yanks = 42-40
Mets = 42-39
crapola
The bloom has come off that rose real quick.
The IPK comparison is so right.
Yea V, stop worrying about your name and logins, and focus on the game at hand. Giese is sturggling right now. Damn it.
Maybe that IBB thing would’ve worked here.
“Yanks = 42-40
Mets = 42-39″
Well, there goes the first step in that direction …
confucius….I swear on my life he said those exact words. I was just talking about it yesterday with my friend who is a mets fan….we were watchign that game together…it was a Mets/Yankees game. a few years ago. One of the funnies things Ive ever heard on a broadcast. That guy is bananas. I love him
hopefully he can just focus on the hitter and get the outs now…
what bloom?
Francis The Praying Mantis-
3-1 mets, top 3.
the Wang injury is a killer… Jorge CANNOT throw..
this team has a lot of flaws….
when you make fielding errors and walk batters with this staff you are looking for huge trouble….
today may get ugly……
I may never forgive Wanger for running the bases and not striking out.
I don’t want to be mean about little kids, but the one in the Mets jersey…
damn
I knew something like that was coming though. Just gotta answer back in our half of the inning.
Meanwhile, I think Giese’s low ERA is a mirage as Rasner’s was. To me it is becoming more and more apparent that the Yankees will have to make some kind of a trade for a SP.
At least ER’s enjoying the game.
Well, the game’s not over. C’mon Yanks! Let’s burst ER’s balloon!
Geise is not ready. Thanks Cashman for another season without pitching depth. Idiot.
what do you mean “may”? It’s already ugly. Giese is already over 60 pitches and is only 2/3 of the way through the 3rd. Ain’t that pretty right now.
Rasner Giese Ponson. Come on. We are talking guys who wouldn’t start for the Nats.
“confucius….I swear on my life he said those exact words. I was just talking about it yesterday with my friend who is a mets fan….we were watchign that game together…it was a Mets/Yankees game. a few years ago. One of the funnies things Ive ever heard on a broadcast. That guy is bananas. I love him”
Too long ago to get much YouTube play, I guess. I’d love to hear it. That’s the kind of thing plaintext doesn’t do justice to.
Even Michael Kay basically called Jorge Posada an idiot behind the plate. And it’s very obvious that he cannot call an intelligent game like Molina.
You just got out Wright to strand Castillo at 2nd. A base is open. Beltran just creamed your breaking ball just foul. Behind him is Delgado, who has done nothing this year, Nixon, hitting .150, and Tatis, out of baseball for years before this one. Instead, you hang a breaking ball and he hits a 2-run HR.
Use your brain. The Mets lineup is not deep. Why would you let Beltran beat you?
“To me it is becoming more and more apparent that the Yankees will have to make some kind of a trade for a SP.”
it was never a case of if they were going to make a trade, but when… there was no chance they could go until August with Rasner and Giese, but just hope they could tread water until the trade market opened up a bit and Cashman could work out a good deal.
How do you not walk Beltran there? After Beltran the Mets lineup is an absolute joke.
As of now the 1-4 hitters on the Mets are 3 for 7, 3 runs, and 3 RBI vs Giese and it’s only the 3rd.
No it really isnt pretty right now for Giese. But I aint skeered of Mike Pelfrey, and the Yankees certainly should not be either.
Maybe if Dan does poorly enough, it will spur Cash to make some sort of splash before the deadline…
The way Pelfrey is throwing IDK
The only way to keep this game from going to disaster is if the Yankee offense can smack Pelfrey around this inning.
And Melky is not a leadoff hitter, he is hitting .250 with a .315 OBP. A leadoff double wasted, again, because they cannot do things as simple as moving runners along and hitting a weak fly ball to left, and the Mets come out and score 2 runs on an idiotic home run allowed to the only hitter who will beat you in that lineup with a base open.
noondy way to give us great insight..
if you expect more from fat Sidney you probably will be dissapointed.
aaron small and chacon a few yrs. ago were once in every 20 yr. type performances…….
Time to bat around guys.
Another leadoff double…maybe this time he will come home?
Just like the league adjusted to Rasner, they will adjust to Guise fairly quickly. I hope Cash-Money is working the phones.
That’s his 400*th career double, they mean.
Thata way Jete
second time to start an inning off with a double – time to make Pelfrey PAY for it. Let’s GO!
he’s got the right guys hitting behind him
Alright guys, please don’t waste another lead off double. 400th double comes back!
Congrat’s to Jeter on #400.
“it was never a case of if they were going to make a trade, but when… there was no chance they could go until August with Rasner and Giese, but just hope they could tread water until the trade market opened up a bit and Cashman could work out a good deal.”
True, and actually come to think of it, the big question before was more what caliber of SP were they going to trade for. If Giese and Rasner were decent, then maybe they could have gotten away with a lower end, scrap heap type of guy, but now I think they will have to think more middle of the rotation as opposed to back end.
If abreu bunts, I’m gonna puke.
See when nobody on the bases Jeter won’t ground into a DP.He should stay at leadoff.
Yanks open with double again = ?
C’mon arod – tie it up
Please A-Rod one time with man on 3rd
Need to score at least 1 here.
How much longer can we let these average pitchers off the hook?
The yanks are not doing anything this year unless they improve the starting pitching.
Thata boy Alex
ZOMGZ! Clutch!
Have we turned into the Rays?
arod delivers! Mr. semi-clutch!!
Thank you Alex! Now let’s get at least 1 more!
Alright Rod – keep it going Giambi
Stop doubting A Rod.
Pete- Who had Jose Reyes Love?
this new 3D gameday is kind of pointless…
Well, here’s one way to letcha know who the real ‘V’ is, lol
Good job ARod!
What are they going to do? There’s no point in trading for Sabathia if he won’t sign an extension and there are no good options on the market that would be any better than what we have coming back from injury.
Kennedy is a few rehab games away from being ready, and he’s probably going to do not much worse if not better than Rasner has been lately.
Hughes comes back in early to mid August possibly. If he’s healthy, he could be a good #3 type starter and put up a high 3’s- low 4 era like he did at the end of last year.
Wang comes back in September. Our ace and a #1 type pitcher.
Also, Aceves I think his name is was just moved up to AAA and is a decent prospect who could help the team along with Alan Horne when he gets back into game shape from his injury. Even Kei Igawa can put up a decent start every once in a while.
So you basically would rather us trade a few good prospects for someone like Arroyo, who gave up 10 ER in 1+ to Toronto just so we can have a veteran name on the staff? Besides that one HR, Giese hasn’t been that bad this year or today, and Rasner is serviceable until Kennedy/Hughes come back.
saucY
June 27th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
this new 3D gameday is kind of pointless…
————-
but you can zoom in and out, and rotate around the stadium, and get the pitchers POV, and… uhhhh… nope… you’re right.
Robbie Cano in his favorite situation.
Fingers -> Cross
The Mets REALLY need Brett Gardner.
Beltran plays really deep.
Ooooh. Watershed moment for Cano.
Pelfrey is harder to watch than Kennedy or Igawa.
My guess is that IF cash has to make a move, it’ll be for bit players like Millwood or Byrd. Not exactly heros for hire, but at the moment, they’re both better than Giese and Rasner.
homer cano
he makes that play but not the one on a-rods?
WOW what a play by Reyes nice hit Robi
and when I say they’re better than Giese or Rasner… I mean BARELY.
Well … not a catastrophe. I’ll cross my fingers tighter next time.
Beti-Magic!
I think we shouldn’t expect Wang back this year. That foot injury is season ending. I don’t see him coming back from it this season.
what the hell ? that had to be the weakest hit Bet’s had all season
wooo – a lead… can we hold it?
With Giese pitching, I think we need 10 more before I’m comfortable.
I think Giambi has a better arm then Wright.. haha
Cano – not the glamorous grand salami I was hoping for, but I’ll take it all day!
I Want My WB – a single with RISP? It’s a miracle!
Tough luck for Cano. What was Wright doing?
Justin’s pic makes him look like a thug… the cap looks two sizes too big.
Is Pete honoring Will Leitch with the first-person plural?
We like.
7 hits already. Nice.
christ swing at one of those you dingleberry!
dammit Justin you can’t take that pitch
These guys may have a hard time getting to Queens by 8 PM.
“that had to be the weakest hit Bet’s had all season”
I like to see that from him though, a weak single makes it seem as if he’s not trying to do too much, whereas usually it seems like he is trying to hit one out with men on and ends up striking out.
Pete….Wilson get another hit
Hey MLB speed up the game
Tell that worthless jack@$$ behind the plate to make his calls on time
“Justin’s pic makes him look like a thug…”
that pic is horrible. didn’t know who i was looking at, at first…
Blooping and bleeding their way through this game. Not usually the Yankees style but I’ll take it.
ha – dingleberry…. good one
The foot injury is not season ending for Wang most likely. If it were a position player, he would have been back by early August easily, getting his boot off at the end of July and playing a few rehab games. The only reason they say September is because he has to throw rehab games to build up stamina to go 100 pitches also every 5th day. That would take 3 or 4 weeks maybe, getting him back by early to mid September easily.
this looks to be a long, drama-filled day.
not complaining, but… wow.
7-8-9
Maybe Guise can get a rocking chair inning and come bacl to qualify for the ‘W”
I hope our bullpen holds up. We’re probably gonna need them tonight when we have Ponson pitching.
Wow….ALL FOUR of those pitches were outside…but because he is a AAA player….3 of them called strikes….this unwritten rule that Umps get so “screw” the kids is a bunch of BS. The strike zone needs to be consistent. I am all for them using the same technology as they do in tennis and just putting an electric shock in the UMPS right arm for strike and just zap him in the left arm for a ball and if he screws that up and makes a bad call,,,,then give him a triple shot in the keester, so we can all see where his head is actually at !
quite a pitcher’s duel going on
sunny- Why make a trade for a pitcher that is barely better than what you have? Is it even worth a trade and some prospects?
That’s what I’m hoping for Fredo. A couple of 1-2-3 innings and he’ll be back on track.
“So you basically would rather us trade a few good prospects for someone like Arroyo, who gave up 10 ER in 1+ to Toronto just so we can have a veteran name on the staff?”
No, I am definitely not on the Arroyo bandwagon! Or Randy Wolf or any of that other crap. I said middle of the rotation starter – that precludes CC, who is a no. 1, and it also precludes guys like Arroyo who are not even a no. 5 in the AL. I, too, was thinking more along the lines of a Millwood. Maybe a Derek Lowe at worst although I don’t know off the top of my head how he has done this year.
If I were playing this game McClaren would get a fist in his face
yanksfan-
“quite a pitcher’s duel going on”
One for the ages.
I want the Yankees to hit Pedro hard tonight for those Red Sox days. And throwing down poor Don Zimmer
Vito, with you 100% on automating the strike zone. no more favoring veterans, screwing rookies and moose. no more umps fooled by catchers framing pitches. a better game.
Geeze, Igawa could handle the bottom of the Mets lineup. This is one p%@s-poor 7-8-9.
Was Peter ever on Swerski’s Superfans?
our crap pitching makes me sick
c’mon Giese…..give us five….the offense will take care of these idiot Met team if you can continue to keep us in the game…
All Giesse needed was a lead.
Finally a 1-2-3!
Already at 81 pitches though, e-gad…
Nice inning for Giese! Hopefully he can give the Yanks a few more.
The Mets have a good lineup. They are hitting us hard here.
Giese rolls.
Interestingly, there have been about 15 different spellings of his name on this thread.
“Already at 81 pitches though, e-gad…”
he’s really only got to get thru 5… he gets thru 5, girardi will take it.
“Interestingly, there have been about 15 different spellings of his name on this thread.”
…which is nothing compared to all the different pronounciations of his name that are going around!
Does anyone know how it’s actually pronounced? Sterling and Waldman say it like “Geiss”, Kay says “Geese” I think and then I’ve also heard “Geesey.” Which is it?
With a 14 game hit streak, Derek? Eeeh. Hate when he does that.
And I hate when the retard in the YES booth agrees with me.
its pronounced GICE, i believe.
I’ve heard gise (like dice)
Dont rip Jeter for bunting Pete.
One thing I will never understand in my entire life as a baseball fan is why a hitter as good as Jeter bunts in that situation. Especially now while he’s hot.
If Giese can give us 5 full innings of 3 run ball, hes done his job in my book.
cabrera finally got on base!!!!
I think it’s pronounced Guiseppe.
so he really did sac bunt there?
i dont disagree with him all the time when he does that, but in this game, you arent sacrificing runners at 4-3 in teh 5th.
oh that sucked
Wow, so Sterling was actually right about something? First time for everything, lol.
whos for throwing giese out there for 7 innings no matter wat his pitch count is, assuming he can get guys out…
“Does anyone know how it’s actually pronounced? Sterling and Waldman say it like “Geissâ€, Kay says “Geese†I think and then I’ve also heard “Geesey.†Which is it?”
I’m going with the Geiss pronunciation, but who knows. This could be one of the great enigmas of the game of baseball.
I’m jumping on the Gyce spelling before anyone grabs it.
“I think it’s pronounced Guiseppe.”
Hot damn! I love that feller. Didn’t know he did the ball pitchin too.
yanksfan. i’m all for it. he’s 31 yrs old and he’s not a long-term solution. use him as much as we can and let’s see what he’s made of.
this will be a long game.
I’m a big fan of the bunt – 2 chances for ONE base-hit with your two best hitters coming up is better then needing either an extra-base hit or TWO singles to score Melky. And who on here hasn’t complained about Jeter hitting into double plays??
“Was Peter ever on Swerski’s Superfans?”
That makes a bakers dozen for me, there, Bob.
What scout said Pelfrey was good??
Every game the Yankees have a situation like this and can never seem to end the game, hopefully they can here
lets hope jorge can do something here…
“I’m a big fan of the bunt – 2 chances for ONE base-hit with your two best hitters coming up is better then needing either an extra-base hit”
I think Jeter has more XBH’s in the last three games than the rest of the team has hits with RISP.
(an exaggeration, yes, but you get the point)
We’re letting them off the hook.
Why is Jeter sacrificing?
“i dont disagree with him all the time when he does that, but in this game, you arent sacrificing runners at 4-3 in teh 5th.”
Positively moronic. Somewhere, Northwestern wants their degree back.
A pitcher in trouble. A hot hitter. Doesn’t add up to a sacrifice there. If Jeter were on 1st and Melky was up, that’s one thing. With Jeter up, giving a way an out makes zero sense.
i blame that inning on a-rod, we coulda blown the game open if he didnt ground out to the pitcher
Runners on 3rd, less than 2 outs. Our inability to score these guys has directly led to at least 10 of our losses so far this year. Amazing that they can’t even hit a weak fly ball to get a run in.
“We’re letting them off the hook.”
absolutely.
8 LOB in 4 innings
Man, sacrificing in the 8th is good but the 4th inning of a 4-3 game with your AAAA Ace on the mound?
5 o’clock cannot come soon enough.
pretending to work stinks.
The Yankees have had 8 base runners in the last two innings, loaded the bases twice, and have 2 runs to show for it.
This game should be over.
LOL!
“I hope our bullpen holds up. We’re probably gonna need them tonight when we have Ponson pitching.”
Now the impersonator is impersonating my alter-ego, lol. Well…. How about I change my alter ego in a way that only I can verify in the future?
Hmm… I’ll make it mathy
this is ridiculous.. how many times have the bases been loaded in the past week and a half and we still havent scored?
Dan. Dan. Dan. Please don’t walk Jose Reyes to lead off an inning.
Scooter ?
SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!
Nice leadoff double there for Reyes
Giese has 2 batters left.
“5 o’clock cannot come soon enough.
pretending to work stinks.”
haha! this is so true!
thankfully for me, i start my weekend in 6 minutes, not 66.
Oh, Dan.
I know it’s a 3-0 count to Reyes to start the inning, but John Sterling is basically saying he has zero belief in Dan Giese right now by saying things like, “well, the Yanks might lose this game….” and “you know this game’s NOT going to end 4-3…”
I hate him.
Everyone excited to see Latroy and Ohlendorf???
Maybe the squirrel is a harbinger of things to come.
Girardi having Jeter sacrifice and GIVING this BUM on the mound a free out was a stupid move that proved itself stupid as we left the bases juiced. I know nobody’s perfect…but where in the hell was JOE’S HEAD on THAT one ? I’d tell ya…but it could get me in a BEET of trouble….
this team just cannot make things easy for themselves..
uch…..
oh boy this is gonna get ugly soon if they don’t watch it.
This is frustrating to watch
the squirrel went in the Mets dugout for a surprise attack!!
At least it opens 1st for this walk…
O.o
“Girardi having Jeter sacrifice and GIVING this BUM on the mound a free out was a stupid move that proved itself stupid as we left the bases juiced. I know nobody’s perfect…but where in the hell was JOE’S HEAD on THAT one ? I’d tell ya…but it could get me in a BEET of trouble….”
I have a feeling Jeter did that on his own. Not smart.
no more freaking walks!
I thought Giese rhymed with “Strikes.” I see now that could not be the case.
Q: Why did the sqirrel go into the Mets dugout?
A: Because that’s where the nuts are!
(sorry)
4 walks..
terrible.. giese unbelievable..
jorge cannot throw….
A squirrel sighting can only mean good things.
Pass the nuts.
Well, Giese probably isn’t long for the majors at this rate.
why waste two balls there? posado ain’t throwing out reyes. this is ridiculous
Yikes…this could get ugly
Giese needs Eric Gregg to be the umpire.
That squirrel must be bad luck
wow giese’s incompetence is startin to wear on me…rasner and giese have really fell back down to earth
Guess the Rally Squrrel came for the Mets
maybe Beltran will suicide squeeze…
good lord – not good – I’m pretty sure the Met’s don’t leave the bases loaded here.
is today Joba’s throw day?
Edwar is up… he just throws change ups and fastballs…This has grand slam written all over it… I’m closin my eyes, let me know when its the next inning…
Yanks fan, you really cant blame any of the Yankees in the afternoon game. They probably didnt get home until 4-5 am
Funny, if we scored some runs with the bases loaded, we wouldn’t be in this spot. You’ll blame Giese all day, but if our offense did its job, this game would be long over.
so let’s summarize the action so far.. the yanks could have blown this open at least twice but of course didn’t becuase they SUCK with RISP.
there scrub(yes he is ) pitcher has walked 4 guys and looks bad.
now Edwar comes in with them loaded and no outs… who knows what will happen but I am cringing….
The Yankees load the bases twice in two innings and can’t take advantage of it. Now the Mets come back and load the bases thanks to two walks from the “strike-throwing” Giese. And who other than Carlos Beltran comes up with a chance to do something that the Yankees couldn’t. Funny how things happen.
hopefully ponson throws a complete game this evening
maybe the bullpen can stop the bleeding…? makes me worry for ponson’s start…
Edwar in a high-leverage situation; I like it. He misses bats; he is probably the best guy not named Rivera in this Yankee bullpen who can get out of this without giving up a run.
Veras is a close second; he likewise misses bats, but not nearly at the rate of Edwar.
Well that sucks. Only 1 out
Come on Edwar, please do good….
Hmmmmmm
Giese is a German name I believe and therefore it would sound like “Giza”
As in The Pyramids of Giza…
But anyway let’s Go Yanks!!!!!
Come on DP
Of course, just as soon as I say something, one pitch, one hit, one run…
boldness blinding my EYES !
Who do you bring up to replace Giese and Rasner? Who? Horne, who walks a ton of batters? Karstens, who’s not any better than Giese or Rasner? McCuthchen, who hasn’t impressed at AAA?
The injury to Wang and the injuries and ineffectiveness of both Hughes and Kennedy have crippled this piching staff.
Pretty soon, the Yankees are going to have to stray from “Let’s throw something against the wall, and see if it sticks” mode and try another option for the back of the rotation.
And not Paul Byrd…
Delgado is a double play machine…
Giese was what, the Yankees 9th pitcher in line out of spring training?
wang
pettitte
mussina
hughes
kennedy
joba
rasner
horne
igawa
Sucks.
could that have been a double play? damn gamecast…
Ok. Delgado sucks. Do not walk him please.
Thats probably game with the way our offense is doing
What a joke this is
Geise had no business starting the inning
Remember when Ramirez was an answer and not a question?
the yanks have going into this game about 10 more runs scored then the Met’s..
The yanks suck, they are so unclutch and slow and flawed..
Jorge cannot throw at all.. There starters suck the 4th and 5th starter…and they suck with RISP..
suck
Nobdoy to blame but themselves. They should be embarrassed about the way today has gone. They have had 11 baserunners and only 4 runs, leaving the bases loaded twice. Giese walks Reyes and Castillo in front of the 3/4 guys by refusing to challenge weak hitters who can’t do anything except run, and Girardi brings in a guy who hasn’t been able to buy an out lately and has been prone to extra base hits to pitch with them loaded. Just a stupid game all around, and one that they better win, because they can’t afford to lose this game, not only today, but to a team struggling like the Mets right now.
JoeT
Who should have started then?
“Remember when Ramirez was an answer and not a question?”
Nah, I just remember him being a different question — how long will this last?
wow.. when we make delgado look good thats a shame right there
Its still just a 2 run game…
This is why Giese isn’t going to be a starter for the rest of the season. Long relief, maybe, but a starter? No.
Edwar isn’t on either today, which really doesn’t help. There will be no bullpen left after today.
What a joke our pitching is.
When Carlos Delgado beats you ya know it might not be your day…gotta keep it @ 2.
REmember when people thought Rasner finally figured it out.REmember when Edwar had 15 scoreless innings and people thought he should be a set-up man like Veras, and FRansworth.
Man people were dumb.THese journeymen and spot starters can pitch for so long.Igawa and Horne aren’t gonna help.
I wish I could actually see these pitches; Gameday’s not ideal for judging Edwar’s performance right now. Looks like he didn’t throw a single fastball to either Beltran or Delgado, and that’s just not good. He needs to set up his change with his fastball, or else he won’t be effective.
So unless Gameday’s lying about that, I really question the pitch selection (particularly to Delgado).
Remember when the whole bullpen aside from Mariano was a question? Oh wait that’s been the last three years
(obviously Joba not included)
Pete, for the love of the blog, close your bold tag.
y does it seem like when we play the mets we are never at full strength and have a makeshift rotation and regular guys out of the lineup…
“boldness blinding my EYES !”
Thought I was seeing things…
Yikes… Wow people relax out there…
Reyes is Gay – You give up on Giese after one bad start?
You are just a bandwagon Yankee fan who obviously knows crap.
Pete, for the love of the blog, close your bold tag.
haha i thought i was the only one that saw that
Last night messed us up. We lost a win, and a game for Damon. We wont have Posada tonight either
The re-tread system rarely works for more than a handful of appearances. Guise isn’t a 31-year-old rookie because he was overlooked. And someone better teach Edwar a curve or slider. His fastball is not good enough form him to just be a two-pitch guy.
Still this game is far from over, but I’m starting to wonder if some of these guys are contractually barred from clutch hitting. Cano sure looks better, doesn’t he? If he gets that one by Reyes the whole game might have changed… oh well
When we play at Shea, do you ever feel comfortable? I certainly don’t. When the Mets play at the Stadium, it’s like they’re at home.
I guess we should have given up on Mo and Pettite and all the other players who struggled in one game.
THe Yankees starting rotation is facing a AL lineup.SAy what you want Delgado is like Giambi hitter who has been in the last two years in a funk but are still dangerous as hitter I mean he has more homeruns then Giambi.For a reason.
Can’t wait to see these pitchers against the AL.
PETE THE DAMN BOLD TAG !!!
These are the same Mets that lost 5-2 and 11-0 to Seattle before 1 win. Why is it that they always come to life only against us?
Hey Edwar what gives? No Hall Of Fame for you.
The Yankees can’t expect to be competitive if their 4th & 5th starters are minor leaguers pretending to be major leaguers.
The Mets 5 – 9 hitters are ALL STIFFS and we’ve given up 6 runs through 5…y’all better jump on the Ponson Fan Bangwagon with Mully.
Kept it at 2…SIGH
Down only two runs, in the 5th inning, against a Mets team that doesn’t have much of a bullpen, and people are saying the Yankees already lost?
Wow. Just, wow.
I guess by Reyes is Gay’s logic, Joba’s first start where he struggled should have been his last. We might as well waste our best starter in the freakin bullpen.
Thank goodness.
Yanker – the inning not the game. Even Giese knew he wasn’t going to get out of the 5th inning with the top of the order due up
It’s a two run game folks. Yanks aren’t out of this by far.
Thatta boy Cano
CANO NOOOOOOOO
Dunno if this inning’ll be the answer, but we get the heart of the lineup up 2 more times. 2 runs can be had.
Thata boy Cano. Way to start something or at least get to the bullpen.
“The Yankees can’t expect to be competitive if their 4th & 5th starters are minor leaguers pretending to be major leaguers.”
couldn’t say it better myself; this is crucial to watch.
You guys got to stop ragging on Giese, give him another chance. God, one freakin bad start and all of sudden he sucks. Where were you guys when Giese pitched last time? I guess then you couldn’t say anything so just shut up.
Wow Cano first pitch swinging again and pops out. He should be fined for every first pitch he makes a weak out on.
Geise walking a couple guys in a bad spot doesn’t mean he “refuses to challenge weak hitters”…it could just mean he threw 4 balls before throwing either 3 strikes or before they put the ball in play. It happens, it’s called a walk and sometimes even when pitchers TRY to throw strikes, they still walk someone. Kenny Rogers walked in a run to end the Mets season once, and he’s a guy that has pitched well in big games and throws tons of strikes. IT HAPPENS.
Thanks, Pete.
I hope the Giese thing is over. Rasner too. Get a frontline starter here now. We have a team that can win it all.
Don’t know if someone already posted this link, but here it is anyway:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/06/27/2008-06-27_joba_chamberlain_pitches_in_at_westchest.html
Joba is a class act!
GO YANKS!
Yankees are swinging at first pitches. Trying to rush out of this game. 2 runs with the bullpen pitching for you isnt good
“Wow Cano first pitch swinging again and pops out. He should be fined for every first pitch he makes a weak out on.”
Because, you know, it’s totally standard fare to fine major leaguers for making outs.
Your employer should fine you for being on the internet at work.
Giese is way off today but I thought he was great in his first start last Sat. Taking into consideration his travel hassles last night, I would like to see him get the chance for a 3rd start.
Is Posada’s shoulder ok? I always thought he had a weaker defensive arm compared to Molina but since he came back from the DL it seems like it’s a sure bet to steal 2nd on Georgie.
YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME WITH THESE SIGNS
Pete – I still disagree about Edwar, simply since he has *also* struck out major league hitters in bunches, not just minor league hitters. His stuff, such as his changeup, translates. What’s key for Edwar is spotting his fastball, and using it more than just a “show me” pitch: I’m convinced that’s why he was burned against Delgado.
Mariano Rivera’s a one-pitch pony, with a devestating cutter–granted, we’re talking about one of the most dominant single pitches of the last decade, but a pitcher *can* be successful with a single plus-plus pitch. The changeup, unlike the cutter, needs to be set up to be successful (but then again, Rivera’s also had a good four-seam fastball to complement his cutter throughout his career); Edwar shies away from doing that at times, but when he uses his fastball and change in combination, he can get the strikeouts that suggests he *can* one day be a high-leverage reliever.
Oh Justin , that so bad, so so so so so so bad
Minor leaguers pretending to major leaguers? You people are rediculous.
Cano is a career .270 something minor league hitter. Is he regressing to his minor league track record, or was he just a major leaguer pretending to be a minor leaguer?
Rediculous.
Wait..Edwar comes in, gets three outs, gives up 1 single and Pete feels compelled to write yet another diatribe on how teh league has figured him out? That’s good journalism…
Why not write about the awful DP turn on the Beltran grounder? Jeter’s body positioning and throw on that pivot was little league at best. But it’s far easier to take shots at Edwar, Betemit, Abreu and Pete’s other whipping boys than the journalists’ faves.
They are obviously trying rush out of this game
Ah, Yankees losing, we can be assured of the children whining.
bad bad game for Christina.. watched strike 3 right down the middle and a bad bunt…
Bad game…
betemit with the 278 OBP.. He has power from the left side and tht is it..
“I hope the Giese thing is over. Rasner too. Get a frontline starter here now. We have a team that can win it all.”
me too, but they wont go get someone it might upset the blogs atmosphere
I wouldn’t mind minor leaguers pretending to be major leaguers if they would keep pretending. It’s when they stop that we get in trouble.
“You guys got to stop ragging on Giese, give him another chance. God, one freakin bad start and all of sudden he sucks. Where were you guys when Giese pitched last time? I guess then you couldn’t say anything so just shut up.”
31 Year Old MLB Rookie…ever hear of one having permanent success?
He gave us 15 or so solid innings, now he goes back to long relief or AAA…
At the rate this game is going, they’ll have to take helicopters to Shea just to start the nightcap before 10:00 pm.
i am so sick of ranser and giese…im pissed off at wang for being so damn unathletic he can’t run the damn bases..
I hate interleague. These games get the Mets up more than the Yanks, all due to the media.
“Ah, Yankees losing, we can be assured of the children whining.”
children whining? maybe because we actually want our great yankees to field a team that’ll actually win
Peter, what is your thing with Edwar? Any other pitcher, it’s a slump, but for Edwar, still a rookie, he’s been “figured out” as you say. I don’t see you say the same about Ohlendorf who’s been downright bad all this year.
He threw three straight changeups to Delgado, and he hooked it, that was a mistake, but it’s not like Edwar pitched horribly that inning.
whoa, a bold tag was on? here i just thought everone was really angry when posting… (maybe both?)
I’ll be pissed if they make the game start at the same time tonight.
I think he’s still effective. Just not in a jam or for more than one inning. Can anyone find his stats coming in at the beginning of an inning and working for only one inning?
..lets see if he bunts..
saucY,
The bold tag was the straw that broke the blog’s back.
“The Yankees can’t expect to be competitive if their 4th & 5th starters are minor leaguers pretending to be major leaguers.”
I thought Giese was pitching very much at the majors level last Sat, in fact I think it’s fair to say his first 6 and a half innings were worthy of a #2 starter on most ML teams. That was a small sample size, so is today, so I’d like to see him get another chance before we jump to conclusion.
“but it’s not like Edwar pitched horribly that inning.”
he didnt pitch well either.
It’s not a matter of hitters ‘figuring him out’… the problem with Ramirez is when he doesn’t throw strikes.
Im sick of this bull “We cant play day games after night games” they get payed a load of money, and cant play everyday, yet players making min wage play everyday
Pete, enough with the double standard. AAA hitters watch video, too. Why didn’t the league ever figure out Trevor Hoffman?
Dominance in the form of strikeouts and low hits allowed in the high minors is the BEST indicator of major league success. You have been giving Edwar the evil eye for as long as I can remember. What about dominating AA and AAA has you as such a downer on him with such a small MLB sample size?
150 IP with 68 hits?? 260+ k’s? C’mon, you aren’t being fair. If you hate Edwar, you should REALLY be down on Kennedy.
Peter you’re exactly right about Ramirez. He’s got a great changeup, problem is his fastball is terrible. Its low velocity and has no movement. Pedro can give him all the pitching advice he wants, but until Ramirez fixes his fastball he’s going nowhere fast.
Melky and Jeter have each had 4 at bats, but the Yankees have 4 runs. Mind boggling.
Great inniing
What’s Edwar’s inherited runners rate? His ERA is probably deceptively low.
alright 3-4-5 next inning, we’ll get these runs
4 for 15 with RISP. This game shouldn’t even be close. The “vaunted” offense is the biggest culprit this season. Anyone who blames the pitching is just not watching the games at this point.
“he didnt pitch well either.”
Double play grounder (or should have been), double (on a pitch well out of the strike zone), K, ground out
That’s pretty good. It’s not his fault the bases were loaded when he came in.
Well, at least Pelfrey is gone after that inning. 98 pitches in 5 innings, no way he comes back out.
to get home at 1am-2am and then have to play a double header sucks no matter how much you get paid… though a 3mil check per year makes it easier im sure
10 LOBs through 5 is just not going to cut it…
Same story all year. This team cannot get big hits. It’s absolutely sickening. Especially when you consider they’ve failed twice with a runner on third with less than 2 outs.
Nice job guys.
How come the hitting coach never gets criticized for this???
That’s 10 LOB now.
damn that guy nearly took a pile driver
Im so sick of watching the SWB yankees pitching for the NY yankees
Another thing; Christian needs to be sent down immediately if he can’t bunt without popping the ball up a mile into the air.
Not that it would’ve mattered anyways, just another runner to strand.
Edwar Ramirez does have 27 K’s in 24 1/3 innings with 11 walks. Isn’t Bill James the one that says a relief pitchers value is directly correlated with his K rate. I don’t think he pitched that bad. He gave up a double, WOW. Nobody in the history of baseball has given up a double. What do you want the guy to do strike out every player he faces?!?!?!
Someone please go watch Trevor Hoffman pitch. I’ll give you a dollar if you see him throw a fastball above 84 or if his 83 MPH fastball is anything other than laser straight. With video, how come he was never figured out?
Give it a rest, and give Edwar a break.
This might be the most rediculous thread for a game I can recall.
You can say that about ANY pitcher; don’t throw strikes, you’re not going to be successful.
But there aren’t too many pitchers who can sustain a K/9 rate over 10 in the majors, and those that do *tend* to be more successful over the long run.
I’m not saying Edwar will 100% positively develop into a high-leverage bullpen arm. He might never be more than he is right now, a guy with a plus-plus pitch who can dominate when it’s properly set up by a well-spotted fastball. But there’s upside there, and it’s worth taking a chance on. Today the Yankees rolled the dice, and they lost. That’s baseball. Honestly? Girardi made the right move, putting Edwar on the mound; only way he possibly could have done better was putting Veras up there. Those are the two pitchers who have the best chance of getting strikeouts and missing bats in this Yankees bullpen as it is currently constructed (putting aside Rivera, who wasn’t an option since it wasn’t a save situation), and that’s what you need in high-leverage situations.
27, do you really think that Giese is the answer to pitching for the Yankees? As a starter? Really? Are you looking for them to get early draft picks by running him out there as a starter?
There is a reason why the guy is 31 and a rookie. Stop gap at best, but he isn’t a starter and shouldn’t be.
Don’t hand out that crap about bandwagoner, as by your title, you are one who thinks entitlement. Now go change your diaper being that you probably wet yourself being called out. Moron.
Y’know, one thing would be nice about logins…
A post tracker. As in, we’d be able to tell at a glance that so and so has a total of 0 career posts, and posts like a regular. Would make it easier to ignore the moron Name Changers.
its no surprise that there isnt a player on the yankees with 50 rbi’s at the half way mark.
Conservative Yankee,
Christian hit the most gorgeous bunt the other night. He can definitely bunt.
RISP LOB strikes again
Let’s get real here:
Edwar sucks. Great change, fastball as straight as an arrow. That’s just not going to cut it in the majors.
He could have a decent minor league career, but that’s it.
Edwar will NEVER be a consistent reliever for the Yankees. Mark it down.
Ohlendorf warming…Ponson better go 8 tonight
It’s time to call up a real long reliever. I’m so sick of hearing that they have guys who can go multiple innings. If you have to, send down Gonzalez or someone like that and call up Igawa to eat up some inning if Ponson gets knocked out early.
How can a post that refers to Peters pants magically falling off over Derek Jeter getting a double get deleted, yet someone with the post name of Reyes is Gay stays? Probably the same double standard he uses when praising Kennedy and bashing Edwar.
Reyes and Castillo = Reached base five times combined
I literally love all the walks, please some more please and more LOB w/ RISP too
jesus.. i dunno who to feel worse for, edwar or me for having to watch this..
Ok Mel,
who cares about what Christian did the other night. As a kid just up from the minors, you needs to be able to bunt CONSISTENTLY!!
Does that gorgeous bunt from the other night help us today??
No excuse for a major leaguer not being able to bunt. It’s simple fundamentals that needs to be mastered in Little League.
BTW: Edwar is looking fantastic. Yeah, walk Reyes, just give the kid a break right! Who cares about winning???
lol at people thinking ponson goes more than 5-6
I want the strength and conditioning guys out of here. Bruney takes a step off the mound, he’s done for the year. Wang runs the bases, he’s probably done for the year. No other team is like this.
Hey Pete, who pulled the countdown lever?
I was secretly hoping it’ll be Willie even though I knew that wouldn’t be a nice thing to do:-)
Reyes and Castillo- 4 BB’s, 4 runs scored
Notice a pattern? Castillo is not a great hitter, THROW HIM A STRIKE.
Castillo- .258 3 HR .698 OPS
Does anyone know how I can get in touch with Pete directly other then e-mail? I really want to give him my ideas for the comments section.
We have a great thing going here, but we can make it even better.
“Edwar sucks. Great change, fastball as straight as an arrow. That’s just not going to cut it in the majors.”
Check his stats and see how good he has been. Just go away, troll.
Ok, trying to stay positive but, this game is starting to get a feel that the Yankees will not pull this one out.
Conservative Yankee,
Christian is an excellent bunter. Sometimes, players don’t get bunts down. It happens.
Please see Trevor Hoffman. Straight fastball with no velocity and a great changeup. Seems to work for him just fine.
Your comments make this blog hard to read today. Where are the insightful comments I’m used to from teh regulars?
Yanker – Settle down. Everyone is joking about Ponson pitching a long game tonight.
“its no surprise that there isnt a player on the yankees with 50 rbi’s at the half way mark.”
Abreu has 50RBI’s
Shame Spencer:
Why do you feel bad for Edwar?
He’s the one who couldn’t make Reyes hit the damn ball!
It was ridiculous for Giese as well. Make them swing the bat!!!
That’s how and why you deserve to lose games
What’s the record for LOB for one game?
By my count the clutchless wonders have stranded 12 in 5 innings. Good God this team is the worst bunch of chokers I have ever seen in uniform. They’ve been clutchless in the postseason the last few years, but they’ve started early this year. Disgusting!
So is Ramirez the sacrificial lamb today-1st and 2nd one out, heart of the order coming up.
At this rate we’re going to need Ponson to pitch in this game and then pitch 9 more.
Does anyone really expect a team that trots out to the mound Rasner, Giese, and Ponson to win games?
Molina Betemit and Christian will all probably be in the lineup tonight
Edwar stinks. Giese stinks. Hawkins when he comes in next stinks.
Hey V:
I’m one of the biggest Yankee fans around. The difference is that I’m objective. I don’t watch the game from rose colored glasses like you apparently.
Joe:
Looks like that’s the difference from you and me. You accept mediocrity; I on the other hand, expect more from this team.
3-run jack off Ohlendorf… who is terrible
Lol, my personal troll doesn’t know the trick
Ponson is looking really good after Dan Giese and Rasner, no?
You all complain about our terrible 4 and 5 pitchers, yet NONE of you want Sabathia
Ponson is probably at the Yankee Tavern with his luggage
I think Ponson should be in jail and should never be pitching in the majors, let alone walking the same streets as us. He’s a degenerate and a disgrace to society.
I like how Pete talks about Ramirez not being a great reliever.But he is the same guy when these relievers have a good week he says they should be given a shot more often.Like when Ohlendorff,Veras and Edwar aren’t good when the Yankees are winning 10 to 1, and he was the same people *Cough*Nick In SF*cough* who thought they figured it out and easily can replace JOba.
Yes it’s good JOba in the rotation(much earlier then expected) but before they moved him at least fix the problem.
Musinna needed 50 pichesin 3 innings yesterday.Pettitte and Joba needed over 100 to go to 7 innings against crappy N.L teams.We need a reliever or a 200 inning pitcher.
Wow – the blog is rife with trolls.
Must be Willie Randolph’s fault.
When Santana beats us tomorrow I don’t want to hear any farm system lover out there to gripe.
I can’t help myself…
Conservative (Brain Function) Yankee, please go away. Call up Elias Sports and ask how many times Jeter has failed to get a bunt down in the manner he wanted to. It happens, even though Christian probably was listening intently in little league, it still happens.
Sorry for the name calling, I’ll say 5 Our Fathers and never do it again.
The Yankees lose every year because of their OFFENSE. Nobody has the guts to point it out in the media or among the fans because the pitching is such a nice scapegoat, but how many times do they strand 10 guys in one of these games and lose by 2 or 3 runs?
Runners at 3rd less than 2 outs, not scoring.
No clutch hitting with runners on base. 4 for 15 with RISP.
We almost always lose playoff games because we cannot get a clutch hit. We lost game 2 last year on a walkoff in extras because we could not get a hit with RISP to put away the Indians earlier and we lost game 4 because every home run was a solo shot because we left the bases loaded in the 3rd and Jeter hit into a DP with 1st and 3rd 1 out trying to come back.
We could easily outhit the pitching in the playoffs and in the regular season if we would get a hit with RISP. 5 or 6 runs is not out of reach for this team, but they make it seem like it when they score 2 or 3 runs on 15 baserunners.
Conservative Yankee:
So, what other names have you used in the past.
Amazing that you appear out of nowhere, and are ‘one of the biggest Yankee fans around’ and ‘objective’.
You sound like a 3 year old child whining that he didn’t get the shiny plaything he wanted.
Go away.
This team sucks.
Cashman really should be on the phone with Cleveland as we speak.
This is not a championship pitching staff!!!
A hit with RISP, imagine that
Wow, what do you know. Wright gets another hit with RISP, 3-3 with RISP. That might put us away today. If any of our “all stars” could do that, we’d be winning.
ok just make our way to shea now
How about Moose, can he pitch a couple innings tonight or tomorrow if we get desperate??
Giese is a career minor leaguer. The same goes for Edwar.
That both hurt themselves with their lack of control today.
However, neither is the reason the Yankees are losing.
It’s the lack of offense once again. That’s been the biggest problem all year. No one can get the runner home from 3rd base with less than 2 outs. Too many LOB base once again. Complete lack of clutch hitting. They’ve had Pelfrey on the ropes the whole game, but haven’t been able to take advantage. This offense should’ve lit him up for 8 or 9 runs.
This game and the mediocre season is on the lackluster and underperforming offense!!!
“I have emailed Pete about this so many times. We need to have registration on this site. Everyone should be required to have logins. That way we eliminate all these trolls and impostors.”
So have I, and discussed it with him. Bottom line… this is a commercial site that sells advertising. Trolls, jerks and morons generate webpage hits, so they are welcome here. Pete and the newspaper don’t understand that a few idiots can chase away a lot of quality posters who don’t want to deal with this sh*t.
Still have issues with RISP and the pitching is sucking wind today.
This is not good. Can’t believe we are going to lose the season series to the Mets.
Our pitchers can not get out their 1-4…
Ugh – well, hopefully we can break out vs. their bullpen.
Go away trolls…
Maybe Cone can start the nightcap
“When Santana beats us tomorrow I don’t want to hear any farm system lover out there to gripe.”
He wasn’t going to get that kind of contract here. How many times do you have to explain it to the imbeciles here?
Wright is what Jeter used to be when he had his bat speed. You can see on days like today against a guy who throws hard that he just cannot get around enough to poke that ball into right. Throw Jeter in on his hands and he will ground out weakly almost every time now.
Might as well bring in Rivera to get the last out, so he has more time to rest before tonight.
Ohlendorf everyones favorite
Giese and Rasner nearly perfect in AAA, yet suck in the majors. Why do you trust other kids in the minors before they get up? Trade them all for Sabathia I dont care about them anymore. The chances of them being Aces are less than Sabathia
Ok people laters I can’t type in rage today.
““I have emailed Pete about this so many times. We need to have registration on this site. Everyone should be required to have logins. That way we eliminate all these trolls and impostors.â€
So have I, and discussed it with him. Bottom line… this is a commercial site that sells advertising. Trolls, jerks and morons generate webpage hits, so they are welcome here. Pete and the newspaper don’t understand that a few idiots can chase away a lot of quality posters who don’t want to deal with this sh*t.”
That wasn’t me…
why don’t you post how bad ohlendorf is? He is awful. Is it because he throws a 95 MPH fastball?
There is no one worse than Ohlendorf when it comes to letting inherited runners score.
Trolls win, I quit. Can’t read this thread anymore. Have a good weekend everyone.
Guys like Giese shouldn’t be pitching for the Yankees.
This team has a payroll of 225$ million. And we take starters off the scrap heap every year?
We need a big pitch here…
MoBoy, do you believe the things you post? By that I mean, are you being deliberately dishonest or are you just sloppy with your recollections?
Also, I would still like to know what your native language is.
*****Actually Giese doesnt suck sorry*******
Hey, personal troll, I dunno if you’ve noticed? But I don’t reuse the same login twice. Given you probably don’t know the Vibonacci sequence, I don’t think you’re going to figure out my future logins, either.
go Ross go… do your thing
“Ponson is probably at the Yankee Tavern with his luggage”
HYSTERICAL!
Trade for CC??? No way! Kennedy and Hughes and Melky are just way too good!! Future Triple A all stars!
Joe:
Stop making excuses for poor performance. You just make yourself look like an absolute fool.
I guess I didn’t get the memo where you have to keep praising the team no matter what.
Yah!!! Go Yankees!!!! Nice job blowing another game to the Mets at home! Great job losing a series at home to the Reds!!!
Way to barely be over 500!!! Yah!!! Great job team. It’s ok.
Have fun kissing the players behinds after the game today.
(Sorry I couldn’t help myself).
THROW A STRIKE!!!!!!!!!
What can Joe say to Ohlendorf here? Try to throw three strikes before two balls?
V (the real one) – I like the idea of the post counter, though I would feel like a pretty big loser when it’s up in the thousands after a couple weeks lol
Ok, ok, I think I’ll give in to the whiners on this one.
Ross sucks. Please send him to AAA.
8-4
I am utterly convinced that V is a Red Sox troll.
L
O
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And that will do it. See you at 8.
“Wright is what Jeter used to be when he had his bat speed. You can see on days like today against a guy who throws hard that he just cannot get around enough to poke that ball into right. Throw Jeter in on his hands and he will ground out weakly almost every time now.”
David Wright is a fine player, but I’m sure Derek Jeter would relish the opportunity to hit Dan Giese and Edwar Ramirez as well.
Make that 11
We can’t even beat Mike Pelfrey. Well off to Shea.
Ohlendorf tearing it up as always
At least he made him hit the damn ball.
Game over folks. Goodnight and good luck.
What a joke. The Mets play at our home ballpark like it’s SHEA STADIUM. This team should be ashamed. They are terrible. The Mets are a joke. The Mets SUCK. The Mets are one of the MOST EMBARRASSING TEAMS IN BASEBALL THIS YEAR. NO EXCUSE. NO EXCUSE AT ALL. Seattle almost swept this team in Shea.
wow – gameday put the red dot in southern CT.
ugh.
wow this it pitiful – at least Sir Sidney the savior is pitching tonight
Call mercy. Why do we need to keep playing? This is an obvious loss. We got swept by the Mets at Yankee Stadium
Conservative Yankee – It’s amazing that poof, you came out of nowhere, and amazingly, are so familiar with the posters here.
We get it, the Yankees suck. They’re a .500 team. There’s no point in watching this garbage they put on the field.
So… uh… why are you here?
See you tonight.
GAME OVER.
Mets demolish Yankees in first game of twin bill. Yanks emabarassed for the second time in three days, only this time by a slightly better team, not a bottom feeder like Pittsburgh.
“David Wright is a fine player, but I’m sure Derek Jeter would relish the opportunity to hit Dan Giese and Edwar Ramirez as well.”
Stop blaming Giese. Not his fault they can’t hit. Go away.
This is a lovely appetizer to a Ponson pitching performance.
I just threw up in my mouth.
See you tonight.
GAME OVER.
Mets demolish Yankees in first game of twin bill. Yanks emabarassed for the second time in three days, only this time by a slightly better team, not a bottom feeder like Pittsburgh.
Bryan
Ross does his thing GS. Leave him in as a sacrificial lamb, since he’s going to the minors soon.
hahaha 3-run jack I was totally wrong I am sorry
Ohlendorf is so good but we can only use him for one inning otherwise his stuff losses velocity
haha… the guy is a total bum get him off this team
good job team…
way to make a washed up player look like a star.. yeah keep melancon and cox and robertson in the minors all yr. we got plenty of studs already in the pen…….
Oh I forgot they need to build there innings and refine there craft..
Joke…
I mentioned after Ohlendorfs good outing 2 days ago not to get carried away…….
wright has 60 + rbis, the yanks middle of the lineup of so unclutch but hey blame it on Melky……
Well, this one’s over. I hope Joe let’s Ross be the ‘long man’ and finish this game.
This bullpen is just so bad…
With this payroll…
Wow…
Disgusted. That is all for now.
Disgusted. That is all for now.
Too bad Ramirez is so easy to figure out. Not like that ace Ohlendorf.
“We get it, the Yankees suck. They’re a .500 team. There’s no point in watching this garbage they put on the field.”
Exactly. Go away.
This is exactly why I’ve been saying for a couple of days that the Yankees had to have Karstens and Ponson handy in the first game to go long.
Now the pen will be banged up for the night cap…..
In any case, I would send down Olly (and maybe Edwar) and bring up Karstens (if he’s not already in NYC) to go long if Ponson gets blown up.
Bad roster management all around by Cashman.
Time to send down crappy Ohlendorf and Edwar. See you in Scranton
We’re open
Funny how consistent Ohlendorf and our bull pen is. Funny how inconsistent our offense is. BIG LOSERS!!!!
i love it when kay says this guy has good stuff. then boom grand slam. how bad is our bull pen
BTW, it doesn’t matter that we gave up 11. If this team went say, oh, 9-15 instead of 4-15 with RISP, we are STILL winning this game. This is the METS. They are TERRIBLE. This team should be ashamed of itself. This is the same Mets team that will be SWEPT after this series no matter who they face on the road.
I seriously think were getting the full year sweep by the Mess. We have Ponson tonight, They have Santana tomorrow, and then we have Rasner on Sunday..Isnt it obvious?
Ugh – time for big reshuffling of the pen.
Let’s get Robertson at least up here in place of Ohlendorf and Edwar. Ohlendorf just needs to get his confidence back and his stuff is good enough that he’ll be back.
I don’t see why Cox shouldn’t get a shot in place of Edwar.
When we DFA Hawkins, it’s time for Melancon hopefully.
wow this brutal. Hey Pete I know Edwar isn’t great, but honestly he is better than ross and hawkins. Every game you have a little comment about Edwar. We get it you don’t like him.
Thank god im going to the Staten Island Yanks game tonight. Go Sir Sidney.
Ohlendork. Another great pick up by Cashman!!
200+ mill and he finds no competent pitching every yr?
Imagine if the payroll was 100? We’d be the Pirates.
Im so sick of watching this team run out minor league pitcher after minor league pitcher.
OK…now the good news….we have Dom DeLuise without the beard helping to save the “Day” for the Yankees tonight at Shea Stadium…..( I am going to go ahead and starting getting TRASHED in his honor right away )….this stinks….
how could a team with a 200 million dollar payroll send out, in one day,
dan giese
edwar ramirez
ross ohlendorf
sydney ponson
none of these guys have major league talent. pathetic.
Whats up in here today, eh?
hey – at least Andy Phillips get in here some time soon
“Stop blaming Giese. Not his fault they can’t hit. Go away.”
Um, he pitched terribly today. He did have a lead at one point, no?
No one was excited for the Giese-LaTroy-Edwar-Ross show???
This team makes me throw up in my mouth.
Back up the truck. Can we just end the season now, before the stench from this team gets so entrenched it’ll never come out of the uniforms?
JoeT. Anyone who posts thousands of times on a website for the Yankees truly is a loser. They could be using that time to do something that has real value-add to the rest of civilization.
So it doesn’t matter if people thought you were a loser, because in reality, you yourself would know you were.
I hope that makes sense…
V:
I’m a Yankees fan. I have been my whole life.
You think I get enjoyment out of the team losing?
As a fan, there’s no way I’m going to sit here and praise players for failing to do fundamentals.
Laying down a bunt is a simple thing.
This offense has been amazingly bad at not coming through when needed. It’s mind boggling. This is my way of venting.
I have no reason to have to prove myself or my fandom to you or anyone on here.
This game was lost in the 4th inning when they failed again to score with the bases loaded and left 10 runners on base. If they have a 3 or 4 run lead as they should have, there is no way this happens.
In case anyone hasn’t noticed … we’ve been swept by the Mets in our own ballpark. There’s the whole month delay between games and all that, sure. But technically …
What the hell are the Yankees doing just bring up Melancon and Robertson already… This teams pitching staff is scary bad.
I feel sick in the stomach. This game should be 12-11 Yanks by now if we didn’t leave so many runners on base.
And the pitching staff simply doesn’t have it today. What’s with our bipolar bullpen lately?? Farnsworth, Olendorf and edwar all 3 of them are either striking guys out 1-2-3 or handing out runs like they’re running out of style.
I thought this day game would be the good one of the double-header. I don’t even want to think about how ugly things could get by tonight.
Rebecca must be in tears. Honey, it’s not your fault that these guys can’t knock guys in or keep them off the basepaths.
go Yankees…
Funny that Delgado wont get booed by Mess fans tonight. He is now a hero again.
Nick in SF:
Hey you are the one who forgets.You said we can piece together this bullpen and give people shots.Hows that grandslam.Pete is the same way he wonder why Ohlendorff was wasted in the 6th inning.Then when he gave up a run he remembered.
Here you go if you can’t read.”Joba in the rotation good….but who besides MO is gonna gives us innings and won’t implode after 1 good week”
Girardi and Cash think they won’t need a trade.THe Yankees starting staff is gonna face AL lineups.You can’t get away with guys like Giese wasting a start.
200 mill and we trot out a rotation worse than the Nationals and Pirates and Twins.
We put out a worse pen than pretty much every team out there.
Imagine if Mo left????
The horrific pitching and lack of timely hitting rear their ugly heads once again.
It’s an old song. The busride to Flushing will be a quiet one and it’s a damned shame.
Well, I’m out. Should get home in time for game 2, lol.
-Mets bring in Feliciano, one of their best relief pitchers-are they worried the Yanks will score 8 runs? Should have saved him for tonight.
Ugh…
Its as ugly in here as on the field…
Where the hell did this V character come from, name-dropping and acting like he’s a reg?
Out…. back later.
Hopefully some ‘real’ regulars will show.
Michael, the answer to your question is two words:
Brian Cashman.
How this guy keeps his job is beyond me.
Carl Pavano.
Kei Igawa.
Saying no to the Santana deal.
The list goes on and on.
The pitching could give up 2 or 3 runs and we still lose half the time. Now we have Pedro, Santana, etc in the next 3 games. We could lose 3/4 or ALL of them this weekend. This was the game we had to win against a scrub in Pelfrey and once again we let a terrible pitcher off the hook.
There is no fault but the offense. The offense this year has single handedly lost us almost every game we’ve lost by stranding runners on 3rd and GIDP in huge spots. The pitching ERA before today was 4.10 or so. That’s actually really good. We are almost last in RISP hitting. That’s why we lose.
I literally just said the same thing to my gf after I turned the game off in disgust.
“At least they can bounce back tonight because they’re playing another game. Oh wait, Sidney Ponson. Any good movies out?”
With last nights rainout, why not push Pettitte and Rasner up and pitch Moose on Sunday?
Stat Padding. Useless HR from Arod
wow what a surprise….
When are Abalajedo and Bruney due to come back?
That’s what this team needs in the worst way.
Because every pitching staff has tryouts at the major league level in June right????
How is Linebrink doing? How is Santana?
There is a reason why you have so many prospects and money. To trade the ones you think won’t make it!!
Who here thinks IPK will be better than Santana at any point in his career? Hughes?
don’t even act like you didn’t know he was going deep there
A-Rod really just gets comical sometimes
Waiting for Game 2. Go away trolls.
Greg Mandel- IF the list goes on and on, wheres the rest of it?
Delgado has nearly 500 homeruns and was a better hitter then Giambi(minus the HGH).Did Girardi really think having Ohlendorff challenge DElgado was gonna work?
THe Yankees really thought this team was a weak N.L team.
Everyone will now say A-Rod hit a solo HR with no pressure, but funny isn’t it, how NOBODY is EVER on in front of A-Rod? We can’t get a runner on base in front of our big hitter! If that’s a 3-R HR instead of a solo shot we’re right back in the game!
FEAR THE STACHE !
We are not going down without a fight!
This team needs major league starting pitchers.
We can’t keep trotting out these disasters every other night and expect the offense to score 15 runs.
Everyone who rags on Edwar and Ross and every other Yankee reliever, meet Alex Rodriguez.
He check swings with a runner on third and less than two in a 4-3 game.
And then hits a mammoth blast to Monument Park down 11-4. Standard.
A-Rod is hilarious.
Name me a big hit he’s got this year.
Two disappointing, embarrassing teams playing a disgraceful game of baseball, booting balls left and right, walking everyone in sight, serving up long home runs with crappy pitching. The subway series is no longer a playoff like series it seems.
Matt: Mets fan here, and judging by your posts, you seem to be a complete and utter moron, who has probably not even watched a single Mets game this year… What a mook…
Thank God they are tearing down yankee stadium. These losses are pathetic. SAVE US SABATHIA
“And then hits a mammoth blast to Monument Park down 11-4. Standard.”
Mel Brooks couldn’t script it if you put a gun to his head.
Didn’t Seattle beat the Mets 22-0 or something? So every team has bad games.
I think Rebecca has to give up her tickets.
Face facts.
Edwar just flat out stinks.
Neil,
The whole team has been doing that.
Arod is the best player on the team and in baseball.
He’s having a great year. It’s unfair to single just him out. Hell, even Jeter didn’t come through with 2 on and 2 out.
No one on base, down by a ton, no pressure for a clutch hit…
Yup, sounds like a good time for an A-Rod homer.
“Vibonacci sequence”
Can I just say how great a job this is? Well played.
Yeah, it’s not like he has 2 guys, 1 guy and then 2 guys on in front of him the first 3 times up. It’s not like he’s 43% this year at getting runners in from third with less than 2 outs.
Josh,
You actually waited for a 7 run lead to show up? Are Met fans -that- insecure?
Trolls.What people who knew Giese was gonna pitch bad in he’s second start of he’s Career!!!!!!
What not having trust in FRansworth,LaTroy,Ohlendorff,Veras are TRolls.
BRing up Britton,Melechon.TRade.
Do something.But c’mon you really thought Giese was gonna go 7 innings of 1 run ball.Now thats stupid.
Breaking News:
Sydney Ponson sucks !
Get ready for another loss tonight!
Might as well sign Chacon now that he has been released from Houston. Then, slap a steel cage in the infield and let Ponson and Chacon battle to death for the #5 spot in the rotation.
I mean, who needs useless intangibles like grit, character and honor, right?
Can Latrell Sprewell pitch? Sign him up?
This team, while I love them, can be so damn frustrating.
Sorry to interrupt your whining and arod hating but do some of you actually watch Yankee games?
Not to mention Michael Kay called the A-Rod home run as if it was Bill Mazeroski’s World Series ending bomb.
Sabathia?
This team wouldn’t trade for JOHAN FREAKING SANTANA in the off season when he was dying to come here!
I’m usre we all love Melky’s 300 OBP and Kennedy’s fringe stuff.
That pesky RISP LOB is killing ‘em (although giving up the big one to mega-slumping Carlos Delgado definitely didn’t help). Gotta slug their way out of this one . . . like A-Rod!!! Now rinse and repeat . . .
You have to bring in either Cox or Robertson to the bullpen at this point. While the offense has been terrible with RISP, the Yankees weren’t going to win this game if a couple of those hits fell in.
This bullpen is in the worst shape it’s ever been. Moving Joba to the rotation was absolutely the right thing to do. But there is not ONE reliever other than Mo that can be trusted at any point of thr game.
Josh, the Mets are a mediocre team this year. They almost got swept by Seattle at home earlier in the week and got swept in 4 games by the terrible Padres. The only team they have played well against has been the Yankees. They are not underperforming anymore, they played like this last year for most of the 2nd half and are doing so again this year.
didnt alex drive in the tying run earlier in the game?
I guess people are so called trolls when they come on here and speak the truth. We aren’t that good.
Santana wasnt dying to come here. And Cashman WILL get complaints from Hank after this weekend sweep, so rest assure, we are going to try for Sabathia. How can we do this for the rest of the season? Starters 1-3 arent guaranteed a win, but 4 and 5 ARE guaranteed losses
Yank fans, Enjoy Geese and Rosner and Pooonson and the Japanese stinkie while Johan throws 7 MAJOR LEAGUE INNINGS tomorrow. LOL
Why is Kay calling plays as if it’s 2-1 in the 8th? Easy, Michael. Easy.
YankeesLuv,
I don’t dislike A-Rod, I’m just stating the facts!
You know it’s a discouraging game when I see a comment correctly using the word “worst” and I think “hey – things aren’t so bad.”
Thanks Conservative Yankee.
Yanker
June 27th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Thank God they are tearing down yankee stadium. These losses are pathetic. SAVE US SABATHIA
Congratulations Yanker, you have posted the dumbest, most moronic sentence on here I’ve ever read.
(Although I agree about Sabathia…)
“Thank God they ar tearing down yankee stadium”?
SERIOUSLY? ARE YOU SERIOUS??
If you post your address, I’ll send you $1000 to never come back here again.
Santana was dying to be in the Bronx because he likes pitching in the playoffs, likes being paid, and likes NY. Where would you rather be? Queens or Bronx?
The Yanks cost themselves a title this year by passing on him.
And hopefully Cashman is a goner.
ofcourse it arod’s fault…it alway’s arods fault…why oh why is arod so bad…3 hits this game yet he just isn’t good enough..sad
I love how Joba comes up last year and dominates and now you all want all of the youngsters to dominate like he did. While before he came up you were all trying to trade these kids for big names. CLUE: NONE OF THOSE KIDS ARE LIGHTNING IN THE BOTTLE LIKE CHAMBERLAIN
Mets trolls? Hehe.
This is the highlight of the Mets season. You have a joke of a front office and a gutted farm system. Enjoy not contending for the next decade.
We all realize A-Rod is unclutch. Hence, his magical season in his walk year.
“Johan throws 7 MAJOR LEAGUE INNINGS tomorrow.”
Yeah, I suppose we will get his usual 4 over 7. But, while I comment on his body odor, I’m pretty sure Pettitte’s not Japanese.
Yankees pretty much owned Pedro. But I don’t know how many of his owners are still on the team. Jeter and Jorge for sure.
Ponson has been known to pitch decent games.
Well just walked in the door from the game other than our pitchers being a disgrace the amount of Mets fans that were at the STadium today was a total disgrace. Yankee fans should be ashamed. I know it was a makeup game and I knolw it was during the day but Yankee STadium is not Camden Yards where it should be easy for the opposing teams to get tickets.
I knew from when I got to the stadium early (before gates opened) that it was going to be that kind of crowd and the chants duringthe game were even worse.
As much as I love going to baseball games this one for many reasons was not very much fun.
PJH, start with Kevin Brown, Latroy Hawkins, Farnsworth, Randy Johnson… how much time do you have?
The Mets look like a tired team ? Really, Pete ? Maybe now they’re tired from running around the bases.
But I forgot our $205 Yankees had a late night so they are excused for playing horrible baseball. Pfft.
bb77 – I gotta agree with you, as much as I love the Yankees… they’re beyond frustrating at times.
“Mets trolls? Hehe.
This is the highlight of the Mets season. You have a joke of a front office and a gutted farm system. Enjoy not contending for the next decade.”
I just find it funny that they weren’t here when they were leading 7-4. They needed a 7 run cushion before they felt safe enough to post here. I think that’s a rather sad commentary on their season to date.
Sabathia = playoffs
Minor Leaguers pitching 2 of 5 games = below .500 record
Isn’t this Pettitte’s day to throw in the bullpen on his off day? If the game is close tonight, like Torre used to do bring in the starter who normally would throw in the bullpen on his off day. Thoughts?
When will these idiots in the front office realize that guys like Ohlendorf are NOT major leaguers? He has a 6.00 in nearly 30-40 innings for a REASON. He gave up the crushing blow in both games against the Mets this year, both to left handed hitters. You’d think they’d wake up and yank him when he walks Beltran?
And same with Ramirez. He serves up home runs like it’s home run derby and cannot handle situations with inhertied runners, yet we bring him in.
Where is Veras in a high leverage spot? Stop with the roles and use these guys with the game on the line! Even Farnsworth would have done better than Ohlendorf in that spot.
Release Hawkins, send down Ohlendorf, and start actually giving LEGIT prospects a chance (Cox, Melancon, Robertson).
There was a lot of talk previously regarding Ohlendorf being a good reliever but being mis-used, but it seems as though he’s just flat-out not doing a good job, even in the beginning of his appearances. He has options. Maybe it’s time to use them.
Gayle…
Mets fans have all the time in the world to attend day games… Most are unemployed and collecting a ‘hand-me-down’ check of some kind from the government.
Unlike the majority of Yankees fans, who work hard, attend school and prosper.
Where’s the best place to hide a Mets’ fan’s unemployment check?
Under his work boots!
MoBoy, I never said the things you attributed to me.
I’ll wait while you look up “attribute”.
Let’s be clear about one thing, you are now happy that Joba was moved to the rotation, right?
Olendorf’s being used the wrong way. Make him a starter.
Oh, I see it’s A-Rod’s fault. The man who drove in the tying run today at one point. The guy who is 3-4 with 2 RBIs.
Fantastic reasoning. Ugh.
Whose to say we have any legit prospects? We wont know until they are up here. Hughes was THE best prospect in baseball. How was he this year?
nah Peter all the Yankee expert fans are concerned about IP’s and other nonsense..
Arod hit that ball hard in the 4th to Pelfrey it almost made it to the SS…..
the alarming item is there offense is clicking but they only have 5 runs… they should have 10 runs … the Mets have 3 errors and are dominating…
the yanks cannot create runs unless they bash, that is a huge problem because with there lack of clutchness that is an issue..
this is why games like the Giese start last week and other games you should win you have to win…………….
the yanks going into this game should have about 4 more wins then they are 10 over 500 not 6, big friggin difference.
why don’t they wait to put Hideki on the DL for another week or make it 2.. Hideki gets a pass from all the fans again he has 7 HR’s.
Today is an embarrassing game for the yankees in so many ways. More Mets fans showed up in our own ballpark than our own fans! What a joke! Then we have our team go 4-15 with RISP against a guy who opponents are hitting over THREE HUNDRED against. That’s right, THREE HUNDRED. Then we have crap like Ohlendorf go out and give up grand slams to guys like Delgado, who are shells of their former selves.
So many excuses for the team. How about we stop with the excuses and blame them for not playing well? Jeter until recently has been terrible at the plate. Ohlendorf and Ramirez are terrible in big spots. Even Farnsworth has been reliable. Giese walked Reyes and Castillo 3 times in front of the only 2 hitters who could do damage. And Cano and Melky are jokes at the plate right now. Melky hitting leadoff with a .315 OBP and .250 avg.
Why are the starters still in? Clearly the hitters have given up. Poor AB’s and a meaningless HR by ARod.
What is the point?
This team is just a mystery. Teams they should beat, they look like minor leaguers. Pitchers they should rip, they are lucky to get a hit. RISP, hitters freeze up and do stupid things like check swings, pop ups, and the all time Yankee favorite GIDP.
Now, they are being embarassed again by a worthless NL team. Sorry but the Mets are not a playoff team and were not one before Willie was fired.
The Yankees were at minimum a Wild Card team. But, unless something happens in the second half, this offensive powerhouse making ridiculous amounts of money will go out as a joke, wasted resources, and lost opportunity to truely rebuild and get the “future” seasoned.
Head scratcher.
Giese for ASG!! Shoot me.
Once again, the Yanks show the only thing they can consistantly do is be inconsistant. No starting pitching, no relief pitching, hitting, but none when they need to…Six walks, 11 runs against, 3 pitchers used. On the flip side, 15 runners reach base but 11 of them, THROUGH FIVE INNINGS left on base.
I said this, to anyone that would listen, for the last week:
TODAY is Andy Pettite’s day to pitch. So there is NO EXCUSE for him NOT starting Game 1 in Yankee Stadium. Pettitte has already wrecked an elbow swinging a bat and the Yanks had the opportunity to keep him from having to swing AND start this series off with a REAL pitcher. Unfortunately, they, inexpicably, chose Geiss and Ponson and are in a VERY real danger of getting swept AND having to drain the pee, by the time 11 PM comes around…
You know what time it is Yanks’ fans? TIME TO START DRINKING HEAVILY
“Olendorf’s being used the wrong way. Make him a starter.”
Exactly. Because I’d like to his arsenal of zero quality pitches for 6 innings instead of one of two.
Greg MAndel- Randy Johnson? Are you kidding? When he made that trade it was amazing. We got a lefty who throw 98 mph who threw perfect game the year before. What did we give up for him? Dioner Navarro? I bet you ran out and bought a Randy Johnson T shirt jersey like most fans did.
Yanker that is why you try them out.. you never know who is legit or not, you find out.. if they fail they go back down work on things and get ready for another try…
Would you have preferred A-Rod to strike out? Maybe bunt? Was the RBI earlier in the game not “clutch” enough for you?
This is what I was talking about earlier, some only show up to be negative.
How about rooting for them to chip away and someone hit a a walk off against Wagner. Not as exciting as against Papelbon but it would be fun.
If Ponson falters early, just bring in Hawkins for the rest of the game and use nobody else.
No point in wearing down the bullpen to a frazzle.
Tell Mo to grab a cab and head to his restaurant in New Rochelle for the rest of the night. No save situations available.
The mets are playing like its the world series!
Well, not like the actual 2000 world series where they lost 4-1.
OK – they are playing like it is their world series on nintendo or something.
Nice garbage time appearance by Heilman.
A look at the lines and it’s not pretty as we already know. 9 hits each, Mets with 2 errors. Down by 7. And by a quick calculation 5 of the 6 walks have scored.
Aberration….aberration…aberration…
Hey, we like hitting Heilman, right?
Send Ohlendorf, Ramirez and Giese to Scranton tonight.
The Met trolls in here are as thick as the Midges in Cleveland last year, you know, when the Yankees were in the playoffs, albeit briefly. Funny, I don’t remember the Mets in the playoffs last year. Oh, right… the historic collapse.
Enjoy the game Mets fans – you beat Giese/Edwar/Ohlie. Congrats.
You trade prospects for players that ARE proven and good. This is what makes Cashman look like a retard right now for the Santana trade. If he was on a good team, he wouldnt be 7-6
That should be the final straw for Olendorf. When Delgado..who is basically finished hits a grand slam off of you..you should not be in the majors. He has been ABSOLUTELY dreadful this whole year!! There is no reason for him to be on this team. But I am sure Girardi will say that he has pitched better then his 8 era. To see the Mets hit like this today is embarrassing and just shows the Yanks how bad there bullpen really is. Especially Delgado hitting a double and homerun. That is as bad as it can get.
haha
the only thing worse than seeing a full-on display of the yankees bullpen is knowing that sidney ponson will be trotting out toward the mound in 3 hours
someone mentioned texas as having a more dismal bullpen, but i don’t see how that’s possible. when you have two guys who shouldn’t be playing in the majors in your rotation though, i guess it doesn’t really matter
yanks will be out at least 8 games by the end of the weekend
Jorge Posada has left 6 men on base in this game. Every single Yankee but the ‘Stache has left men on base. And yet A-Rod is the villain for hitting a home run. It’s almost comical.
A-Rod HRs this year
4/2 vs TOR, Down 5-0, 7th Inning
4/10 @ KC, Up 4-1, 9th Inning
4/14 @ TB, Up 1-0, 1st Inning
4/16 vs BOS, Up 2-1, 1st Inning
5/20 vs BAL, Down 10-0, 6th Inning
5/21 vs BAL, Up 3-0, 3rd Inning
5/27 @ BAL, Up 7-4, 4th Inning
6/2 @ MIN, Tied 0-0, 1st Inning
6/7 vs KC, Down 10-6, 7th Inning
6/9 vs KC, Down 2-0, 7th Inning
6/14 @ HOU, Down 3-0, 2nd Inning
6/15 @ HOU, Up 6-0, 6th Inning
6/17 vs SD, Tied 0-0, 2nd Inning
6/18 vs SD, Up 3-2, 3rd Inning
6/27 vs NYM, Down 11-4, 6th Inning
WTF is Girardi doing putting Damon in? Omg he is the worst Manager ive ever seen
There is truth and then there is madness. I see more madness than truth in some of the comments. Enjoy the game for those who are actually watching the game and not picking their nose and watching arod.
3 errors…
We need to get used to life without Hideki.
their: a form of the possessive case of they. (Example: Yankee fans are losing their lunch today.)
they’re: they are (Example: They are losing the game today.)
there: in or at that place, at that point, in that manner, etc. (Example: Gayle was there at the game.)
Let’s all try to remember these definitions, okay? It’s just basic third grade grammar, and it makes reading posts all the more pleasurable.
Good call putting Damon in Joe. Wanna put Matsui in too?
Now there is a GREAT managerial move by Joe Torre Girardi.
Pinch hit Damon in a meaningless game.
Fantastic move Joe. It must be moves like that and the others you made this year that earned you Manager of the Year.
How many posts here deal with the team’s shortcomings with RISP and getting the runner in from less than 3rd with less than 2 outs? That they should score more runs based on their overall hitting. Rodriguez is a prime example.
And Albert Pujols is the best player in baseball.
Maybe this will end the unfounded Edwar love.
For the last time, He’s Not a Major League Pitcher!!!!!
Can we trade for Houston Street or SAbathia now.
blame it on Melky… The guy is the 9th hitter but blame it on Melky..
the pen sucks bcause of Melky.. They have 3 starters because of Melky………
“UPDATE, 4:53 p.m.: Alex Rodriguez, ladies and gentleman. Where was that when they needed it in the fourth inning?”
Ummmmm…. Have you ever played a competitive sport Pete?
And the sportswriter’s BOS/NY game doesn’t count.
You can’t just jack a HR whenever you feel like it. Nor can you kick a field goal from 50 yards out and make it every time, nor can you hit a game-winning trey in a tied basketball game.
Ugly comment.
Not needed today, IMO.
At least Donny Baseball would have known what he was doing on the offensive standpoint of the game.
“Enjoy the game for those who are actually watching the game and not picking their nose and watching arod.”
Aw, damn. Channel must have changed to 9 accidentally. Which one are the Yankees on again? Just my luck, it changes to the frickin’ A-Rod Channel … the one that always goes staticky -right- in the middle of a big play.
Yanks better have the ice cream freezer in the clubhouse tonight for Ponson if they want him to get people out. This awful bullpen is going to be even more of a mess by tomorrow after Ponson lasts 3 innings tonight.
Well, at least they didn’t leave anyone on that inning
Thank you Erin, but I fear you’re tilting at windmills there.
What is it with these Mets that we can’t beat them?
Maybe we’ll just have to give it right back to them in their park!
How was Edwar the culprit in this game? I mean, he didn’t pitch great, but come on.
Were gonna be 7 back after tonight.
We have OUTHIT the Mets and are losing by SIX runs. I’m sorry, but there is just no excuse for that despite the pitching, especially when we’re paying the players in this lineup right now nearly $115 million. 4-15 with RISP. They have had more than enough chances to have 11 runs as well.
Only an ungrateful fan would turn down a homerun by Alex.
Reyes on base = another run
“Alex Rodriguez, ladies and gentleman. Where was that when they needed it in the fourth inning?â€
Peter
Shame on you. Who else on the Yanks is 3 for 4 so far today?
But of course, as you will undoubtedly respond, your sense of humor is superior, right?
Or am I reading you comment about A-Rod’s meaningless HR with my ‘pinstriped glasses’ on?
“Let’s all try to remember these definitions, okay? It’s just basic third grade grammar, and it makes reading posts all the more pleasurable.”
Erin – I hear that THERE is a great grammar blog. THEY’RE all having a great time commenting on how THEIR ridiculous fixation on grammar is fascinating.
Whiff- Couldn’t have said it better. Don’t forget, the Mets made 3 errors also.
Joba was made a starter, so the Yankees would have an ace to start game 1 of a 5 game playoff, followed by Wang and Pettitte. We have been in the easy part of our schedule, and the bullpen cnannot be trusted to have 1-2-3 innings.
Unlikely that the team will sacrifice for Sabathia this season, but there’s no reason not to beef up the bullpen with a guy like Fuentes. Either way, if they don’t play better in the 2nd half they won’t make the wild card, the only way they would get into the playoffs!
I cant wait to see the lineup Joe puts out tonight
put in our other ace latroy in the 9th…..
so the only legit pen arms, veras, mo, and Kyle(laugh we are that bad and now he has an excuse for stinking next game because he has not pitched in 5 or 6 days).
but nah waste Melancon in AA he is young and not use to pressure.. the guy is 24 and closed in the pc 10..
Ohlendorf is really looking good now and I have to watch the met telecast becasue I live in LA.
UGH
Erin,
I share your frustration with the grammar. It’s a lost cause, but I still sometimes try to use my teaspoon to bail water out of the sinking boat.
Their/they’re/there is a long-standing error. I cannot for the life of me figure out how people, only in the last few years, are consistently screwing up THAN/THEN, and WORSE/WORST. It’s mind-numbing.
For those of you who find grammar comments annoying, they’re better than just writing “Ugh” after a bad play.
I agree what is with the Edwar bashing?
Hawkins and Ohlendorf are the worst relief pitchers in baseball
What a joke. I love how Manuel keeps his stars in a blowout game like this
Yanks are second to last in the AL with RISP..I believe they are hitting .250. This is your 2008 Yanks. 3 starting pitchers, 1 pitcher in the bullpen, a lineup that shows up when they feel like it. Most of the time leading off an inning, then a DP or with 2 outs. Enjoy!!
Rumor running around that the Rays are interested in Sabathia even if they only have him for the rest of the year.
Gawd this is nuts. I think Girardi should pull Ohlendorf and then start him in place of Ponson tonight, you know to give the Mets a chance to get more hits and runs.
3 straight hits. I think Girardi should leave him in there.
When a team like the Mets, which got swept in 4 by the nothing hitting padres and lost the first 2 games to seattle by the combined score of 16-2, beats you by this much, you know you suck.
The Mets are under .500 for a reason. We’ve had 10 hits, 4 walks, 5 runs, and the Mets coming into this inning had scored 11 runs on only NINE hits.
Again its all about pitching. Did the yanks leave a ton on base today? yes- but if you score 5 runs you should win or at least be in a game. Make a freakin move trade for a starter or two
“But of course, as you will undoubtedly respond, your sense of humor is superior, right?
Or am I reading you comment about A-Rod’s meaningless HR with my ‘pinstriped glasses’ on?”
Oh, c’mon. Admit that it’s funny. When A-Rod hits one of those 6 run deficit blasts, tell me you don’t watch sailing fifteen rows back and chuckle just a -little- bit inside.
It’s funny. The game is over, have a laugh over it.
Obviously this game is over as Joe Girardi leaves Ross Ohlendorf on the mound to publicly humiliate himself. On another note, a quality start could have prevented even this awful of an offensive display, but because Dan Giese is currently our fifth starter due to injuries and other circumstances, the Yankees lose their again to the under .500 Mets. Ever since Cashman lost the core group of the Yankees that was brought to NY under Gene Michael, the Yankees have come up short and it has everything to do with their starting pitching. Here are the Yankees Opening Day rotation since 2003, their last year with the Pettitte-Clemens-Wells tandem and their last WS appearance.
2004
Mike Mussina
Kevin Brown
Jon Lieber
Jose Contreras
Javier Vazquez
2005
Mike Mussina
Kevin Brown
Randy Johnson
Carl Pavano
Jaret Wright
2006
Mike Mussina
Randy Johnson
Chien-Ming Wang
Jaret Wright
Shawn Chacon
2007
Mike Mussina
Chien-Ming Wang
Andy Pettitte
Carl Pavano
Kei Igawa
2008
Mike Mussina
Chien-Ming Wang
Andy Pettitte
Phil Hughes
Ian Kennedy
Please extend Cashman’s contract so we can see what magical rotation we will be dealt in ‘09.
Just did some checking. The economy is doing terrible.
Proof, apparently $200 million in payroll only gets you a .500 team with a bunch of excuses and a manager who on a daily basis makes moves that rookie managers make.
Wow, how times have changed. Use to get more with $200 million. Maybe Yankees should pay their players in Euros, more value there.
Let’s see. Beltran will walk or get hit by a pitch, then Delgado hits another grand slam and finishes the day with 10 rbi’s. Wow!
Don’t the Yankees have to be somewhere soon? Hurry up!
WHY DOES GIRARDI FEEL THE NEED TO ABUSE THIS BULLPEN??!?!?!!? IT IS CLEARLY A BLOWOUT AND WE HAVE ANOTHER GAME COMING UP, AND WE’LL PROBABLY NEED A LONG MAN FOR THAT ONE ALSO… Is this some kind of joke, the return of Torre, if you will??
“Rumor running around that the Rays are interested in Sabathia even if they only have him for the rest of the year.”
That rumors been floating around for a few weeks, along with the Griffey rumors. I can’t see anyone but the Cubs getting him if he’s traded. They’re desperate enough for a title to make a stupid offer.
We couldn’t score 12 runs in a game against even a team like Texas. We hit into too many DPs, have too many unclutch one pitch pop outs from Cano, and we can’t even score sometimes with bases loaded, no outs!
If our offense performed like last year, we’d not only be in first place, but Hughes and Kennedy would probably have more than 0 wins between them and maybe, you never know, our pitchers wouldn’t all be hurt running the bases hard in close games and trying too hard knowing we’ll score 0 runs for them otherwise.
PJH:
Re. the Randy Johnson trade:
Don’t forget Poland! (I mean Javy Vazquez.) I will give you this–I thought “why not?” of the deal at that time. But then again I am not paid to make deals that actually work out. When you sign Kei Igawa for $50 million and then claim financial restraint as a reason not to get Santana, your credibility should be shot.
Why not take Jorge out of the game and put in Moeller? Or you know you could just keep wasting that roster spot.
“so we can see what magical rotation we will be dealt in ‘09.”
I’d have to admit that:
Joba
Wang
Pettitte (who says he wants to pitch at the new stadium)
is a better 1-2-3 than we’ve had in a long time. Then we hope for something better out of Hughes, and the rest of the kids can wrestle for #5.
Funny how the Mets always look awful until they face the Yanks AAAA pitching. Like the Yanks really expected to win this series with Mo, Larry and Curly pitching. Pettitte’s game they have a chance not with these other fools. Another great job by Cashman…
Well, this game sucks
Save us Ponson! Save us in the next game!
hahahaha 3 runs HR from Delgado. We suck
Is there a flight that could get the SWB bullpen here by 8?
Neil:
The problem is that in 2008 the Yankees actually thought WAng and Pettitte were not gonna end up in the DL.But Wang and Pettitte were on the DL last year.And WAng the year before that.IT’s funny how we put so much faith on guys who get injuried.
And the Mets chants in Yankee Stadium.
Yeah DElgado isn’t a dangerous hitter.
I wouldn’t mock ARod here, mock the pitching staff.
Delgado’s legs are going to be too tired to play in the night game. Good thinking, Hawk.
I am so proud of the Yankees.
Hawkins is still on this team because? Ummm..Delgado is and has been finished for 1 year. Quite embarrassing…A guy that should have been released and the great Yanks can’t get him out. Cashman for president!!!!
I love Girardi going to the phone, like JOE we are down 10 who cares anymore.
Carlos Delagdo just did that to us. There is nothing more embarrassing than that. Of course, the Yankees couldn’t care less while they collect their million dollar paychecks.
LaTroy Hawkins makes $3.75 million LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Holy bad pitching today
More RBI’s than he had in his previous 19 games combined. What a joke.
Well, they still have five more outs to make a run at 20, and maybe a 3HR 12RBI game for Delgado. With Ponson pitching tonight? Interesting to see what Delgado’s line for the whole day is.
at least Cashman is at the stadium, maybe he’ll do something
I keep forgetting we have Ponson instead of someone good tonight. Boy this should be fun
I think Joe was answering a call from Ponson to pick him up from the Yankee Tavern so he wouldn’t have to risk a DUI on the way to Shea.
Yanks should have kept Vazquez, not given up on Contreras so quickly, since they had to pay part of his salary, never signed Pavano or Brown or Wright. Any free agent pitcher who pitched for the Braves and is signed by us-Farnsworth-Wright-Hammond were and are terrible for us.
This game exposes the Yanks for what they are. I understand that they left a ton of guys on base, but its all about the pitching. If you score 5 runs you should win or at least be in the game. They need two starters, and nobody from SWB can help, thats obvious. Make a move. The Mets have been awful, but they get healthy against us. Delgado saves his job, and they score 15 runs. Same as the first game against Pittsburgh.
Trot Nixon singles to right center.
NOW we can safely call this game a full-blown disaster.
“Hawkins is still on this team because?”
What does a janitor do?
“Is there a flight that could get the SWB bullpen here by 8?”
They already are here…Ramirez, Olendorf and Veras…Added to Benitez and psycho Farns.
How many freaking times are they going to claim it’s rock bottom before they start playing baseball? This is so ridiculous that we keep seeing “what we have” in these guys.
News flash Cashman, wake up:
HAWKINS SUCKS
OHLENDORF SUCKS
Stop wondering what you have and get guys up here who can throw in games that are not 10 run blowouts, especially considering we never PLAY in those kinds of games unless we are LOSING, which is most likely the fault of ONE OF THOSE GUYS.
So…
Is this now rock bottom for this team?
We can only go up from here, right?
If Hawkins can do this for 3M why cant I do this? I can give up HRs and get an occasional lucky out
I told you all last night that the cancelling of the game was going to mess up the offense
again I have been saying this for weeks what is hawkins doing on the team??
Look at his #’s they are pathetic…
we just go around and around and around, MAKE SOME MOVES..
CALL UP SOME YOUNG GUYS….they were spanked and they deserve it because they are slow, unclutch, and cannot pitch besides that they are a good team…
We get Ponson,FRansworth.Veras in the next game……yeaHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Don’t be so hard on Cashman, he only has $200 million to work with.
Billy Beane could create a team off the change in his couch that could be this Mets team.
Girardi is really a second coming of Torre… if you have a blowout, and another two games within the next 24 hours, why are you using every arm left in the bullpen?!?!? Next thing you know he’s bringing in Mariano because he doesn’t have anyone left.
this game is disgusting
Well I was wrong Beltran made an out so therefore Delgado did not have a grand slam! Darn!
Rasner, Giese, and Kennedy are AAAA pitchers. The illusion that they are major league starters will kill the team this year. admit the mistake and move on. Hawkins weather being a “cheap” low risk signing or not has been garbage. Farnsworth has been bad. Oleandorf awful. Cashman has to take this hit
at least Cashman is at the stadium, maybe he’ll do something
Ya give one of his standard lame arse quotes just like Girardi and the rest of this team;
Cashman is out of ideas and options just Girardi is. This team is not constructed to anything more than collect massive paychecks for services NOT/NEVER performed.
Wow, how the mighty have fallen and fast.
Some of you “fans” need to relax. It’s one game and you all want to murder someone or everyone. Stop trying to find a scapegoat for THIS game (and the past years? – what is that about?)
Some of you “fans” need to consider finding a new team if you don’t enjoy the rebuilding process. The Red Sox’s are playing great – take a jump to their side. Idiots….
Hawkins- 6.21 ERA
Ohlendorf- 6.53 ERA
Amazing that a team would carry TWO pitchers who put up those kinds of numbers, and not in a small sample, but in nearly 40 innings a piece. When one third of your bullpen is garbage, you are going to burn everyone out. Melancon, Cox, and Robertson couldn’t do much worse than this. Kei Igawa couldn’t even do this badly.
Cashman looks like a smart nerd, but has to be the dumbest GM in the league. You pass on Santana, and now YOU DONT EVEN TALK TO CLEVELAND?
Pete Man:
Right you are:
(a) not too soon to hit the refresh button on the relievers;
(b) 29 runs in three games against the Yankees; and
(c) the enduring mystery that is RISP.
Regarding (a), here’s hoping management is just waiting on the readiness of the candidates in AAA. As to (b), it seems like the Yanks have become increasingly ineffectual against the Mets – whaddup with that? This is even as they play the archnemesis World Champion Rex Sox tougher than ever. Considering the Mets’ ongoing issues over the past two seasons, it’s a bit of a head-scratcher. (Also drying up are the come-from-behind wins – just a cowinky-dink, or a sign of moral turpitude/impending calamity/just plain lameness?) And last, with respect to (c), enquiring minds, etc…
“When Delgado hits two HR and drives in nine RBI, I’d say A-Rod hitting a ‘meaningless’ home run is the elast of the NYY’s problems.”
Nobody said it was a ‘problem.’ Just that it’s funny.
Watch him hit another one in the 9th. With a man in RISP this time.
“The name Phil Hughes has zero value to me… right now. Same with Kennedy.”
Remember Cashman’s magic word. ‘Process.’ ‘Process.’
Hey Rudy,
Its not one game, its a lot of games.
“This game exposes the Yanks for what they are. I understand that they left a ton of guys on base, but its all about the pitching.”
Well now, leaving guys on base is a big part of what they are too. Until tonight!
Cashman has done an awful job with the bullpen. BUT last off season he didn’t even try. A robot could of made the moves that he did. Hawkins everyone knew would never get an out on this team. Ramirez has 1 pitch can’t get it done and Olendorf was never good. Amazing that he still has a job and Hank is kissing his feet to keep him. You think a good GM wouldnt love to have $200m to try and build a team with? Cashman needs to go…
How many “rock bottom” games are we going to have? It’s ridiculous isn’t it? They keep making excuses for themselves and now we’re going to use Rivera in a 10 run deficit because the bullpen is so awful. What if we need him tonight and in tomorrow’s game as well? This roster is poorly constructed, and not only that, but this team doesn’t care.
Getting Sabathia should be common sense.
Sabathia = CY Young
Young Pitchers = Not even the best in the minors.
How can you compare lets say 4 minor leaguers + Melky to Sabathia? You just cant
“Considering the Mets’ ongoing issues over the past two seasons, it’s a bit of a head-scratcher.”
Not really. We just need Lupica and all the Met fans waxing poetic about how the Mets own the town now. So they can all look like incredible fools in September.
I think that the Yankees need to fire Girardi, not extend Cashman… Save your money for Sabatthia and sign Billy Beane to be your GM.
His teams are always competetive, but can’t hit, his managers are sub par, but his teams can pitch and field and play the fundamentals well.
Plus he seems to know when a guy has hit the wall and is able to sell high in the trade market.
Confucius- I think Cashman said “Priceless”
Why are we delaying this game longer? Just get quick outs offense. We have another game in 2 hours
Can Joba pitch tonight on 1.5 days rest?
“How can you compare lets say 4 minor leaguers + Melky to Sabathia? You just cant”
They haven’t logged 1500 innings?
Trust me, when Sabathia’s spine splits in two in a couple of years, you’ll be glad we didn’t get him.
“Cashman looks like a smart nerd, but has to be the dumbest GM in the league. You pass on Santana, and now YOU DONT EVEN TALK TO CLEVELAND?”
You clearly do not understand baseball economics and need to be quiet right now. Go read some books.
Time to score 10 runs
Oy, what a disaster of a game
Ponson still has time to hit 6-8 bars off the L.I.E. before he takes his bullpen warmups.
They have to get someone that isn’t a minor league journeyman, an alcoholic, or a NL pitcher with a 5+ ERA.
Hey Rudy,
Its not one game, its a lot of games.
and the same crap last year, the year before, and the year before that.
And don’t come back with “they made the playoffs each of those years”. And got bounced and embarassed just like today, against pittsburgh, against Cincinnati, against Tampa, against Baltimore….
What are Kennedy and Hughes 0-8 with a 9 ERA together? Does that beat Santana? Wil Hughes be better than Santana in 7 years?
Hey Yankee Lover,
Yankees are 5 games out and they have had numerous injuries to their most important players throughout the year. Yes, let’s fire Girardi and Cashman because that is clearly their fault.
C’mon now…
Yankees are looking terrible and have some pitching problems.
I STILL WOULDN’T WANT SANTANA AND STILL KNOW THE YANKEES DID THE RIGHT THING BY LETTING HIM GO AND PLAY IN THE NL.
Girardi has shown he is an awful manager. Name 1 good move he has made
These four starters:
Giese has 3 starts, Kennedy has 8 starts, Hughes 6 starts, Rasner has 9 starts. thats 26 starts. Only Rasner has wins and its 4. The Yankees have 36 losses.
do the math-
Ponson over/under 5 IP tonight??????
Under 5 ip. He will pitch 4 1/3
Mo should not under any circumstances be pitching in this game. Let Hawkins go out and throw 100 pitches if he has to. It is a joke if Girardi really pitches Mo..Hopefully he will be needed tonight if Ponson was fed properly or tomorrow.
Yankees=Suckage
“I nominate Neil to be Cashman’s successor…”
You do realize that it’s going to be either Jean Afterman (who gifted us with Kei Igawa) or Damon Oppenheimer (who drafted all that garbage you mentioned)?
i understand all the teams wanting to play the yanks at night, but are we at least getting compensated somehow for this?
if not, then that is definitely unfair. we shouldn’t have to play a “special” schedule because of how great we are, or were.
anyone know?
Are they just going to combine the Postgame with the Pregame show?
Ponson over/under 5 IP tonight??????
C-Note on the under.
Ponson – 4.2 IP 6 hits 4 R 4 ER 1 BB 3 SO
Rudy,
I am not advocating firing anyone. Cashmans track record with pitchers and evaluating pitchers is awful. Awful. He needs to repair what he has done. They are five games out because the AL east is not as good as it used to be. Even with the injuries the roster is still much better than many other teams, and again the resources $$$$ are much better. So, lets get something done. Keep in mind the Mets were playing poorly until today.
OUR RELIEF PITCHING SUCKS…..LETS BE REALISTIC WE ARE NOT CONTENDERS THIS YEAR…WE ARE A SECOND CLASS TEAM WITH OUR PITCHERS..LETS GET SHAWN CHACON,JAJA
i am ectatic they did not get santana and no matter what happens I know it was a good move..
we will see after $140 mill later on santana he will get less then 80 wins for that money…watch…..
the yanks again can solve there pen problems internally. but the rotation is an issue, I have hope for Phil but Ian is a much lesser talent….
I walk out of the room after Abreu’s leadoff walk against a scrub mopup guy and they STILL don’t score a run. This team is pathetic.
At this point I’ll be happy with Ponson if he doesn’t have a fifth of rum sticking out of his back pocket on the mound.
Um, I mean, if he makes it into the fifth inning.
if chacon can be had for cheap, then it’s worth a shot
anything is worth a shot right now
we just need some sp fillers
Wow. Andy Phillips pinch hits and makes their last out. That’s the money shot in the ear right there.
internally? Dont believe the hype. Theres nothing down there. If there was they`d be here by now.
Who on the active roster would possibly be tradeable on this team to a contender, without having to eat all or part of their salary?
No: A-Rod; Giambi; Jeter; Damon; Matsui; Posada;Farnsworth
Maybe tradeable: Mussina; Abreu
Definitely: Cano; Cabrera
Therefore we do not have what it takes on the active roster that we can trade for a good reliever or starter.
Do you want to sacrifice Melancon, for this years team that will clearly have to rebuild, after it unloads a huge chunk of salaries after this season?
Dear Yankee Lover,
Yeah you’re right. Cashman’s track record indicates that he is terrible — yet the change in drafting/trading philosophy (which he pushed for or else he would have left) has provided us with one of the best minor league farm systems in the MLB.
You should read up on the history of the Yankees. They are where they are right now NOT because of him but because of upper management. And FYI his job is not to evaluate pitchers.
You guys don’t get it. Chacon was released by this team because he was TERRIBLE, had NO WORK ETHIC, and was a CANCER in the clubhouse. He was suspended indefinitely for throwing the GM down by his NECK. Do you want him on this team?
“Oppenheimer has done great with the draft and the farm.
The problem is, Cashman, as well as many fans on here, overvalued certain prospects which they should have sold high on.”
You think Oppenheimer would have done any differently? He’s as married to the ‘plan’ as Cashman is. You’re not going to get any better alternatives.
Unless the door were re-opened for Stick. :\
The ump should have called him out.
The Yankees are doing the rope a dope….let the Mets get tired putting up 20 runs…then come back and win tonight to salvage the split….PURE GENIUS !!!
On Pete’s comment, I tend to always take the season as 162, one game schedules, and I understand it wrong to do that, and I need to relax sometimes, but I think that really enough is enough with the 2008 Yankees.
Boston and Tampa Bay haven’t slowed down and who’s to say they even will? Meanwhile Minnesota has ripped off 9 in a row and Oakland has the staff to keep them in the season all year.
The Yankees can’t hit with RISP, they don’t have the best staff with Wang, and their bullpen is awful.
They aren’t about to start dropping or trading their position players (and they shouldn’t) so they have to start hitting with RISP.
The pitching can be fixed however and it needs to be before the July 31st deadline. There is absolutely no argument to still have Hawkins in the bullpen and Ohlendorf and Edwar should be on their way to AAA.
The Yankees have a chance to beat the Mets this weekend and play the Rangers at home before a four game set with Boston. If they go into next weekend like this (and by “this” I mean a team who has lost 4 of 6 including 2 to CIN, 1 to PIT, and a blowout to the Mets) then we can all kiss the division goodbye.
“I told you so, I told you so”
Are you guys so insecure that you feel the need to say it over and over again? To a bunch of virtual strangers?
We’re trying to cheer for our team here. It’s a tough job but somebody’s got to do it.
Stick Michaels said he would have done the Santana deal in an instant
Funny thing is, im starting to think we will win tonight just because the Mets arent going to come out on fire again, It will be like a 7-6 game and Ponson will not get the decision.
Yes Single Digits
” Matt
June 27th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Hawkins- 6.21 ERA
Ohlendorf- 6.53 ERA
Amazing that a team would carry TWO pitchers who put up those kinds of numbers, and not in a small sample, but in nearly 40 innings a piece. When one third of your bullpen is garbage, you are going to burn everyone out. Melancon, Cox, and Robertson couldn’t do much worse than this. Kei Igawa couldn’t even do this badly. ”
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Matt, I am with you all the way until the last sentence of your post friend….It seems that your meds wore off before you could finish your post. KEI IGAWA IS ONE OF THE WORST YANKEE PITCHERS EVER ! and if any true Yankee Fan doesn’t want to boo the living SNOT out of him if he EVER pitches again for us on the Major League level…then count that person as a true “I rode the short bus to school” graduate !
First Minky, now Andy – it’s First Base Faves reunion week!!!
I miss them . . .
Rudy,
all due respect to you, you like many others are over rating and over valuing the Yankees farm system. I have seen anyone come up from SWB and do anything at the major league level yet. Cashman is the GM he is involved with ALL player personnel decisions.
Pete,
We expect the obligatory meaningless RBI comment.
9th Inning comeback???
Lefties hit .350 off Pelfrey coming into today and righties only .259.
Johnny Damon was able to play in the game, but not start it. Standard.
David Wells and Sidney Poson are enjoying some beers at one of the bars across the street
SIGN ROGER CLEMENS
Lost in all the talk about Ponson starting is that the Yanks get an opportunity against a shell of Pedro Martinez.
Let’s stay positive and focus on beating Pedro’s butt tonight.
Cashman knows he needs new bullets for this team.
Let’s take it easy,
Nevermind.
And the Mets sweep the Yankees in the Stadium portion of the series.
yup neil,
more over managing by Girardi. We have the team in the Majors that sits hot hitting players
Oppenheimer drafted with their only pick in 2005-C.J.Henry.
They wanted someone who could hit in the middle of the lineup and play in the middle of the field. That pick hasn’t worked out!! Drafted over the likes of Ellsbury, Buchholz and Matt Garza.
Hoever in 2006 they landed Kennedy then Chamberlain, then Betances and Mark Melancon. Not too shabby for Oppenheimer and Cashman. The days of free spending are probably over for this team[althoug they did resign A-Rod for 10 years]
Team has to invest in the future, explore all foreign players and unload the ones they can.
Look on the bright side:
Ponson can only exceed our expectations.
Ponson’s BAC for the game
over/under .15
C’mon my Yankee Brethern…time to hop on the Sir Sidney Ponson Bandwagon…
Ugh, I have to go to the liquor store before the nightcap.
ESPN just said, “another meaningless homerun.” No, they weren’t talking about Delgado.
“against a shell of Pedro Martinez.”
Delgado was a shell at 1:30 …
Ugh, I was hoping to celebrate the afternoon win by going out and spending some of my stimulus check and now I just feel like taking a nap.
I hate to say that with Posada going 1 for 5, with 2 SO and SEVEN LOB this afternoon….those stats will blow away what Elmer Fudd will put up for OFFENSIVE numbers tonight…..YUCK !
Didn’t Wells say he wanted to pitch in the last year of Yankee Stadium?
Heck, drunk, stoned and tripping balls while weighting 320 he has to be as good as Rasner and Giese…
Sidney Ponson is next..
Grab some vodka people..
One more rambling by me. This is the Yankees 80th game. 80th. Why is it so hard to figure out? The pitching is not enough. Tryouts are in spring training and in April. If we were talking about the KC Royals with no spendable $$$, yes, they need to play the hand they are dealt. But with the $$$ Cashman has, and owners who want to win, its a joke
bos & tb haven’t slowed down just like nyy havent caught fire. both could happen. i don’t believe tb is this good.
the stat w/ hitting w/ risp is an overrated stat to me. as a hitter, you try to get hit whether a runner is on 2nd or no one is on. i can understand a stat for a runner on 3rd w/ less than 2 outs tho.
yankees are far from done. we could be a .500 team for the remainder of the year, but i highly doubt that.
a good reliable sp would be nice, esp w/ wang (who was exactly that) out. cc would be nice, but i wouldnt give up hughes + 2 for him for the same reasons i wouldnt give the same up for johan.
unlike so many here (now it seems), i still believe in hughes. kennedy is what he is…if he cant hit his spots, he’s of no use to us. hughes actually has good stuff tho, and i’d like to see him stay w/ us.
You have yet to see anyone come up from the minors and do anything?….wow. I’m not going to even name players for you because that is a ridiculous comment.
You need to remember, prospects take awhile to mature. Chamberlain was an exception because he had such pure stuff. Patience is a virtue.
What a disgraceful game by the bullpen some people gotta go this is the same game aginst the pirates
“Didn’t Wells say he wanted to pitch in the last year of Yankee Stadium?
Heck, drunk, stoned and tripping balls while weighting 320 he has to be as good as Rasner and Giese…”
This I’ll grant you. If he’s willing to work for the minimum, I’m on board. He doesn’t even need to use the salary to buy tickets for kids.
Luckily this is one game and there’s a very quick turn around. If Ponson can give them a decent start, they’ll score some runs off Pedro. They need 5 innings from Ponson, 2 from maybe Veras, then Girardi won’t hesitate to use Rivera for 2. He’s almost too rested. If they can scrap together this second game, you have Pettitte going tomorrow. And if they can win that, we win the series!
And remember tonight, if Boston loses tonight and we win tonight, we can GAIN ground.
Veras has itched just fine form SWB was he overated? He was not even rated…..
the yanks survived DFA’ing Ensberg couldn’t they survive DFA’ing Hawkins, sending down Ohlendorf etc!!!!!!!!!
no one who has been highly rated has been called up this yr. again Hughes pitched great at the end of last yr. I assume even the clowns on this site saw that………
So do not spout the cr-p that the yanks have no prospects the is BS. The MEts have no prospects..I will say you are right if; melancon, cox, robertson, hughes when he is back, and a few others fail…
posada had the biggest ab this afternoon but i guess he wasnt on his game his swing looks ugly if he will have gotta 1 hit with RISP This mite be a different game
Nick,
Use the check to buy some Kleenex. Wait. You’re a treehugger, right? Buy some hankies.
Ponson Over/Under
Innings: I’ll take the under at 3 1/3
BAC: I will likewise take the under at .07 (under the legal limit)
This is fun….
Rudy,
This year, or last year. You claim that the Yankees have one of the top minor league systems in the majors?
So according to your comment other major league teams have weaker farm systems? Well how come these other teams bring players up and they get production out of them? That list would be quite extensive this year.
i think Sam is going to beat the teams to Shea…. any news on a start time??
Ohlendorf is the heilman for us
our sp isnt up to par = true
but dont forget our offense hasnt been there either, n that’s what carried us last year
list of under-achievers: melky, jeter, abreu, cano
our offense needs to come back along w/ our sp for us to have a chance.
Okay, spanking over. Ouch. Now give the man his drink and let him pitch. No pressure lol . . .
“This I’ll grant you. If he’s willing to work for the minimum, I’m on board. He doesn’t even need to use the salary to buy tickets for kids.”
Seriously, you know Wellsy could get out of bed reeking of bourbon and barely touching 80 and give us a chance for a W when compared to what we’ve been going with.
HOP ON THE SIR SIDNEY PONSON TRAIN…
I love that there is debate over tonights starting pitcher’s BAC… he’s our savior alright
Jeter,
5 runs should be enough to keep them in a game
the Yanks only had 14 men LOB…
14, didn’t they have about the same in Giese’s last start??
Of course there pitching is weak but again there offense is only like 8th best in baseball.. It needs to be in the top 3………………..
250 with RISP is TERRIBLE…..
Thank God I missed most of this game. The big question now is which pitcher to send down. I personally send down Giese for Ponson. Then tomorrow Robertson for Ponson. Then next week, Aceves for Hawkins. One thing is for sure, the Yankees have no shortage of pitchers to send down/DFA, here’s my list of shame:
Ramirez, Ohlendorf, Rasner, Hawkins, Giese/Ponson. This staff needs a lot of work.
Which teams are you referring to? Tampa – they have had first pick for the past few years, only a few teams have more prospects than the Yankees. Prospects don’t always pan out now do they? It’s the luck of the draw, my friend. Go check out Baseball America for more information.
Yankees have a ton of prospects that have great major league potential but you can’t rush these kids to the majors until they are polished. Would you rush a kid to drive at the age of 12?
“you can’t expect to win many games when you run Dan Giese, Edwar Ramirez and Ross Ohlendorf out there.”
That and Justin Christian sums it up.
Treehugger?!?!??!? I resent that!
“Tree” has a negative association with me for at least two reasons.
Also, though I live in SF, I do come from New York, ya know…
JEFF NJ WHY WOULD HAWKINS OR OHLENDORF NOT BE 1ST???
I just get rid of Hawkins he is 35 and has no future end it… Ohlendorf has some potential and needs to go down.. Both should go down ASAP.. Giese should get another outing…..
“Would you rush a kid to drive at the age of 12?”
If daddy kept getting lit (up) then yeah why not
Jeff NJ,
There’s the very real possibility that Matsui to the DL is the move that will be made.
“Cashman knows he needs new bullets for this team. ”
Yeah, he’s known that since the Winter of 2007 and has done nothing except signing marginal, cheap, low-rent pickups. Today’s Game cried out for a lefty from the bullpen. Instead, Delgado – who can’t hit lefties at all – goes off for 9 runs!
What Cashman is not admitting is that this IS a rebuilding year and he’s not about to give up any of his precious “prospects” even though he’ll lose many of this righthanded arms for nothing in the next few years.
i thought they were talking about putting Matsui on the DL and not sending anyone down?
I’m all for sending Hawkins & Ohlendorf to Siberia and Ras (with another bad start) and/or Giese…keep one as the Mop Up.
Let the kids pitch in da Bronx…tomorrow isn’t promised to anyone.
Ponson’s contract incentives
4 IP = Bottle of Captain Morgan’s
5 IP = 30 of Coors Light
6 IP = Handle of grain alcohol
7 IP = Kegerator stocked with beer of his choice
8 IP+= Open tab at the 40/40 club paid for by Hank
I am sure there are those of you who played baseball competitively. One of the hardest things for an offense to do is to keep answering back. Yanks get a lead, the pitcher gives it right back and soemtimes more. Or the game is scoreless and the Yanks give up a quick 3 or 4 runs, its hard to battle uphill game in and game out. Thats what happened today and the first game in pittsburgh and numerous other times with this garbage pitching
PONSON NO HITTER!
On to another subject, since we gave $50M for Igawa…how much for that young Japanese phenom that coming available?
$100M???
Latham,
Don’t you think if there was a DECENT left-handed reliever available Cashman would have gone after him? And that includes not giving up one of our starters (Melky, Cano, or a potential good future player)
What worse I think is how the Yankees would think these two could win a game. How do you go into this day with those two starters? Thats the best we could do?
matsui is already on the DL
“PONSON NO HITTER”
That’s what I’m talking about…Ponson Bandwagon starting to roll…Mully at the controls.
Mark Shapiro must be giggling wildly and rubbing his hands together like a maniac after watching this game.
I honestly don’t know what the Yanks were thinking throwing Giese out there… journeyman pitcher. Can’t even get NL hitters out fer cripes’ sake. Ponson is going to be a disaster. This is pathetic. I don’t know what options the team has considering this is obviously selling low/buying high, but after witnessing this disaster, what choice do they have? Not much IMO.
yankee lover – you hit it right on the head
That is part of the reason for their recent postseason failures. It is hard enough to score runs in the majors, let alone in the playoffs when you are facing the elite starters. Getting put into a hole early put enormous pressure on the offense. The main reason it was the right move making Joba a starter.
Be thankful that it is a 162 game season. However, our pitching needs some sort of direction.
But don’t worry all, Brett Gardner will solve this teams woes too.
Im with you. He signed garbage.
sorry for all the grumpiness, but it’s difficult to be optimistic after a pounding like this…
Wow, that was disasterous. One game in the standings, but great googly moogly – ugly!
I listened to the game on radio. Suzyn and John were besides themselves. Suzyn was really ripping the Yankees pitching in the late innings.
This really was an embarassment. The Mets have not been playing that well that they should score 15 runs against the Yanks. The bullpen has been awful lately. Ohlendorf, it seems, allows every inherited runner to score. Cashman really needs to try and get some starting pitching. Can Shawn Chacone be far behind?!!!
By the way, Suzny said the roster move will probably be Matsui to the DL.
OK…time for us to create the Sir Sidney Ponson Drinking Game…objective is to get so drunk that you physically assault a judge.
Can anyone here remember any good trades that Cashman has made that weren’t salary dumps? His pitching acquisitions have been abysmal. This team hasn’t had a good lefty reliever since a juiced up Mike Stanton and their bench play has been lacking for the last few years. I think this team has gone as far as it can go with Cashman. He should have went out the door with Torre.
for real last time before I get fired.
My beef is that we have all this $$$, and we have ownership that is not shy to spend. We supposedly have “great” prospects, then why do we this kind of pitching?
Starting, and bullpen is no better than teams with 60 million dollar payrolls
I want Cashman gone and I want him gone now!!!
His roster contruction of a $209M team is a joke! We have no back-end starting pitching, no bullpen outside of a closer, no bench.
Cashman, goodbye!
Mr Mulligan – count me in… lets set up some rules
walks = 1 second
hits = 1 second per total base
BAC over .08 = finish your drink
Front office members assaulted = oh wait Chacon’s not here yet
“Can Shawn Chacone be far behind?!!!”
Dang Fran,
At least Ponson had a sub-4.00 ERA in the AL before he (alledgedly) verbally abused a teammate…Chacon was over 5 in the NL (and WWE’d his GM)!!!
No Chacon. But honestly – what else is out there? Millwood? pass. Byrd? pass. Arroyo? pass. Wolfe? pass. I seriously doubt any of these are upgrades to Giese or Rasner. And if we’re lucky to think that Harden, Blanton or Sabathia can be had, then it’s going to cost the Yankees an arm, a leg, and both butt cheeks too.
I think for this year, Cashman is taking a “let’s see what we got” attitude. If the team really picks it up and goes on a run, say in middle July, he will probably make a move before the trading deadline. But, if they are still playing like this, I think he will just stick with what they have and see how they do the rest of the way. If they make a run at a playoff spot, great, if not, no problem. He seems to be setting this team up for a major overhaul this winter and does not want to jeaopardize that plan for any quick-term solution. If that is indeed what he is doing (and I have no idea) I like the it. I’m tired of “one-and-done” in the playoffs year after year.
love,
the offense hasnt been good this year – not as good as we’re used to – its a fact
more than 5 runs scored:
april 9 out of 29
may 10 out of 26
june 9 our of 24
and for someone else who asked, baseball america ranked nyy farm # 5 this year, behind, tb, bos, cin, tex
I want Cashman gone and I want him gone now!!!
Hey, mini-Boss. Cashman isn’t going anywhere no matter how much you yell and scream.
Deal with it.
Rudy:
There were plenty of good Free Agent lefties available during the Winter, including:
Jeremy Affeldt
Eddie Guardado
Ron Mahay
Arthur Rhodes
…all of which were much better optins than Billy Traber!
In addition there a plenty of Teams with lefties tyhat Cashman could have explored a trade with. Propose some marginal prospects – especially righhanders – instead of losing them in the MiLB Fress Agent Draft.
And the “bench”? It’s a joke!
yankee lover
This team is front loaded with a bunch of players that are signed for the most part, by the Front Offense, when they thought players like Giambi, Randy Johnson, Sheffield, et al were going to bring in championships and didn’t draft anyone worth a nickel (Eric Duncan was their best prospect). It takes time to get back to a team that has internal options like Hughes/Kennedy/Joba and we probably won’t see the fruits of Cash’s labor until next year …
I love the Ponson Drinking Game Concept
Single = Drink 2 Second
Double = Drink 4 Seconds
Triple = Drink 6 Seconds
Homer = Drink 8 Seconds
Ball = Drink 1 Second
HBP = Drink 2 Seconds
Walk = Drink 2 Seconds
Run = Drink 5 Seconds
Balk = 1 Beer
On a Grand Slam there is potential to drink about 49 beers.
You can always tell whether the Yankees won or lost by looking at how many comments the game post has. Losses always have 1000+ comments of whining and trolling, while the wins are usually limited to 600-800 comments.
“Mr Mulligan – count me in… lets set up some rules
walks = 1 second
hits = 1 second per total base
BAC over .08 = finish your drink
Front office members assaulted = oh wait Chacon’s not here yet”
Good start…
Lets begin by slamming our adult beverage of choice if Sir Sidney is sober enough to:
a)find Shea Stadium,
b)warm up without tossing his cookies and
c)actually face a Met batter without passing out…
Before we even start the heavy drinking due to his performance.
“I want Cashman gone and I want him gone now!!!”
And … what? You think Theo Epstein is going to walk away from the sport’s healthiest franchise to GM this mess?
Otherwise, there isn’t much in the way of alternatives.
KEI IGAWA CALLED UP FOR OHLENDORF
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
OH MY
now the cashman bashers are out, WHAT A SUPRISE.
On the Cashman trade not working out, they have made very few trades or signings in the last 2 years if you guys are not total clueless morons……
I do not want to go over each move again, but they made 1 minor signing in the offseason for a reason clowns…They are done spending money like MORONS….
Chacon is the same as ponson and giese they are journeyman so getting a new guy is whatever…………
again for the 4000TH TIME THEY HAVE GOOD OPTIONS IN THE MINORS FOR THE PEN, IF GIRARDI WILL STOP HIS denial routine and realize ohlendorf and hawkins suck..
so what do they do they call u Igawa for the pen, he sucks….The Ohlendorf move was correct but the addition was wrong for a change..
yeah HAWKINS IS STILL ON BOARD, YEAH. he is so good……..
So what are we drinking for the Sir Sidney Alton Ponson drinking game?
Vodka? Tequila? Rum? Whiskey? Rubbing Alcohol? I have time to go to the store.
“love,
the offense hasnt been good this year – not as good as we’re used to – its a fact”
Agree.
Am I the only one who thinks our offense is suffering because we have too many regulars on the DOWNSIDE of their careers?
“Cashman isn’t going anywhere”
I hope you are right Guiseppe, because if this kind of losing continues, and, let’s say, get’s worse, he will have his hands full dealing with the fans and the Steinbrenners. If this happens, he may just say, “forget it, you build the team, I’m outta here.” And if that happens, I believe we Yankee fans will be the worse for it. He’s a general manager with a plan, a good, sound plan, it would be a shame to lose him.
KEI IGAWA IS AGAIN A MAJOR LEAGUER…Every Cashman basher should be out and they have reason to be
Latham Joe you are wrong the only good lefty ws Mahay and he got a very very nice long term contract.
the others you mentioned stink.. Affeldt stinks look at his #’s.. the yanks like Mahay but are done with 3 yr deals for 30+ yr old relief pitchers………
DONE>>>>
“now the cashman bashers are out, WHAT A SUPRISE.”
Man, you gotta cut us a break…we just sat through a 6 -15 loss in Yankee Stadium to the Mets…ever heard of venting?
Pepitone, stop the logic.
Be hysterical and stupid like almost all the Cashman bashers..
Pepitone just say you wat every good player like them and money never matters, that is there standard line..
Building from within is too complicated for there little minds…..
“So what are we drinking for the Sir Sidney Alton Ponson drinking game?
Vodka? Tequila? Rum? Whiskey? Rubbing Alcohol? I have time to go to the store.”
C’mon this is the Sir Sidney Drinking Game…any and all alchoholic beverages are encouraged and will be consumed!!!
Can we please stop throwing Cox name out there like he is a bullpen savior? Let’s assume he WASN’T a high draft pick, and evaluate him. He throws 88 with sink and lacks an out pitch, or even an occasional swing and miss pitch. He pitches to contact, which gets releif pitchers in a LOT of trouble and pretty much means he can’t be the guy to come in when men are on base. Sounds like Ollie, only with less on his fastball.
Check out his extremely low K rates. If you can’t strike out guys in the minor leagues at a better rate than that, you can prettu much guess whats going to happen pitching in the AL East. NOT the answer, it would just be more of the same.
Patterson and Strickland are far better choices right now (assuming Scott gets over the Bird Flu, or SARS or whatever he has…ha, kidding)
stuart, I was with you all the way until this, “realize ohlendorf and hawkins suck.” Hawkins is a veteran, and like most veterans you have to believe they will get the job done, eventually. Ohlendorf is still young and learning, he’ll be ok.
Be that as it may, I am all for trying to find a chump..I mean a buyer for Hawkins.
i dont think ohlendorf sux, he needs more developing
hawkins is a problem tho
they are all so inconsistent & that’s the problem
I still have high hopes for Ohlendorf.
I think Girardi helped get him get so far out of whack with different roles that he hasn’t had a chance to get into a rhythm. We saw earlier in the year that he was much better when he got regular work.
Sending Ohlendorf down for a few weeks to get his mojo back wouldn’t be a bad idea, but he’s still a guy who has nasty stuff and can get hitters out.
Personally, I don’t care if J.B. Cox pitches to contact. So does Wang. I want someone in there who can get hitters out regardless of their strikeout rate.
All our young players we put into big spots have failed it seems. I can’t think of one who has really stepped up, be it Hughes, Kennedy, Ohlendorf, Cano, Melky, or even Edwar at this point have failed to step up. Some have looked good for a period, then fall back to earth. It would be nice to see one of them step up. I don’t expect a 3.0 ERA, but it would have been nice for some of them to put together at least some success. Some rookies start off hot.
But Igawa? Damn.
The Yankees sure have high hopes on minor league pitching.