Game 82: Yankees at Mets
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 29, 2008 
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YANKEES (44-37)
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Rodriguez 3B
Posada 1B
Betemit 2B
Cabrera CF
Molina C
Christian RF
Rasner RHP
METS (39-41)
Reyes SS
Castillo 2B
Wright 3B
Beltran CF
Delgado 1B
Church RF
Chavez LF
Schneider C
Perez LHP
Darrell Rasner (4-5, 4.50) against the Mets hitters.
Oliver Perez (5-5, 5.29) vs. the Yankees hitters.
Notes: Interesting lineup, huh? It’s the “Right-handed hitters are at .281 against Oliver Perez” lineup. Lefties are at .167. … The Yankees are trying to get to eight games over .500 for the first time this season. … Yanks are 2-3 against the Mets, getting outscored 23-36.
This is what it looks like for the Boston series, by the way:
Thursday: Andy Pettitte vs. Jon Lester
Friday: Darrell Rasner vs. Josh Beckett
Saturday: Mike Mussina vs. Justin Masterson
Sunday: Joba Chamberlain vs. Tim Wakefield
UPDATE, 1:09 p.m.: The Mets DL’d Trot Nixon (yeah, a groin pull, that’s it) and activated Ryan Church.
Not much to report from the Yankees side this morning.
UPDATE, 2:04 p.m.: How’s the Perez Lineup working out? He has a perfect game and has whiffed five. So far not so good.
But Girardi’s logic is sound given Perez’s splits. Plus Giambi, Abreu and Cano need days off with what is coming up.
UPDATE, 2:25 p.m.: How times did Michael Kay say “perfect game?” 1,000? Of course Jeter breaks it up.
Meanwhile it’s about to start raining. Of course.
UPDATE, 3:06 p.m.: Welcome to the majors, David Robertson. Your job is to try and keep at 2-0.
UPDATE, 3;11 p.m.: Memo to Dave, it shouldn’t take nine pitches to whiff Ollie Perez.
UPDATE, 3:18 p.m.: Not a memorable debut for Robertson. Meanwhile why is Justin Christian throwing to the plate with Jose Reyes running? Keep Castillo at second. Robertson looked nervous out there, which is understandable. Little surprised to see him in a close game right away.
UPDATE, 3;26 p.m.: Just received an e-mail from somebody suggesting that the Yankees sign Barry Bonds to DH because Hideki Matsui is out. It’s an interesting concept.
But Bonds hasn’t faced a major-league pitcher since Sept. 26, 2007. That’s more than nine months ago. He’s also turns 44 only July 24.
His OBP of .480 last season can’t be taken too seriously because of all the intentional walks (46) he received. Plus were there probably an additional 40 walks that might has well been intentional. The San Francisco lineup was so terrible that nobody threw Bonds a strike. That’s not happening with the Yankees.
He’s a one-trick pony if he’s anything. He can hit home runs. But after nine months off, how long would it take for him to get his timing and eye back? Talked to an advance scout of an NL team today who said Bonds would need the equivalent of spring training, maybe a little less.
So let’s say four weeks if he signs tomorrow. That’s Aug. 1 Matsui should be back by then.
Beyond that, do the Yankees really need a left-handed hitter who can’t run or play the field? They have a few of those already.
Bonds also brings all manner of off-field issues. He’s under federal indictment, for starters. His presence also brings the national media descending down on the Yankees and their manager. Bonds is also a notoriously terrible teammate. It’s hard enough to avoid the distractions of New York. You want to throw Bonds in the cauldron?
Also, only a fool would figure Bonds wasn’t on some sort of performance enhancing drug(s), be it steroids, HGH or whatever new designer drug was out there. Let’s assume that he stopped using given his lack of employment. What kind of player would Bonds be without the juice at his age? Nobody knows.
It’s one of those sports-talk radio sort of things. Hey, let’s sign Bonds! There is no risk involved financially, for sure. But the reward seems minimal. In April? Sure. In July? That ship has sailed.
UPDATE, 4:01 p.m.: That Billy Wagner comes out to Enter Sandman is a travesty. If this were wrestling, Mo would sneak up behind up him and crack a folding chair over his head. Then when David Wright tried to retaliate, Kyle Farnsworth would put him in the Cobra Clutch.
3-1 is a whole lot different than 2-1. But maybe the Yankees have a shot. They’ve hit Wagner before.
UPDATE, 4:07 p.m.: A-Rod got what he wanted and just missed it. 2-1 really looks a lot different than 3-1 now.
I’m looking forward pitching today. You will love me.
haha… joba against wake… thats a joke
Rasner vs. Beckett!
We’ll find out who the true ace is!
Friday’s game SCARES ME!!!
Shouldn’t it be Joba on Saturday and Moose on Sunday?
Very interesting lineup, considering there are 2 right fielders, and one of them is A-Rod!
Wait, Alex Rodriguez in RIGHT FIELD… WITH Justin Christian?!?!?!
Jeter doesn’t have THAT kind of range anymore…
Jason, Joe swapped Joba and Moose.
“Shouldn’t it be Joba on Saturday and Moose on Sunday?”
They swapped him and Moose on monday and tuesday, due to their relative pitch counts in their last outings.
man- Posada at 1st and betamit at 2nd? sacrificing defense for offense…
bigjf -
Because Pete is a visionary – he is always incorporating the ideas of his idol – Bill Belichick – into baseball.
Think of this as the single-wing formation meets baseball
Great I get to watch Beckett on Friday…I was hoping for Wakefield.
Lineup isn’t the only interesting thing.
Look at the pitching matchups for the Sox. Everygame is a twist on something – veteran lefty vs. young lefty, feel-and-touch vs. high heat, one of the oldest vs. rookie, and young stud vs. oldtime knuckleballer. Every game something to talk about. As if it weren’t already.
Okay, thanks for the info….Joba on primetime ESPN Sunday night should be a treat.
Girardi is just trying to set a record for the most different starting-first-basemen-who-aren’t-very-good-first-basemen in a single season.
Arod is playing right field?
This Boston series is going to be a real nail biter. This will define our position before the All Star Break and perhaps encourage Cashman & Co. to do something to various parts of our roster. In other words, if we tank and we drop to 10 games back we might see a lot of young talent brought up to see what they’re made of for the remainder of the season. If we do well we may see some kind of major aquisition/trade.
I like the pitching matchups for Boston either way. It is almost possible to assume the Beckett start as a loss for us anyway (although we seem to not have too many problems with him) so I don’t mind having Rasner start against their ace. The other matchups are fine with me.
Also, we should be glad the Yanks face Wakefield in the final game so our hitters’ timing won’t be screwed up for the remainder of the series.
I hate these lineups. When Cano was slumping he refused to give the guy a day or two off.. When he starts heating up, he rests him.
Cano this year
Vs left .281
Vs right .229
Past 7 days
2HR 7RBI .333
Yeah he needs a day.. we wouldn’t want him to catch on fire now.
If you replace Giambi with a cardboard cutout you aren’t sacrificing defense! Still, odd for Giambi, Abreu AND Cano to get the day off…
Will be interested to see if Christian returns to the form he showed in Pittsburgh and not the scared puppy he was in the Stadium.
“Jeter doesn’t have THAT kind of range anymore…”
Never did…
How the hell does Rasner draw Beckett instead of Joba
Yanks some nasty pinch hitters today
guys they are not winning every game…
they have played a lot lately.
give the managaer a break…
I agree Christian looked scared the other day when he watched the pitch right down the middle go by with no swing with 2 or 3 men on base.
they need to run today if they get anyone on base..
Eugie Oli Perez kills LHB, not just beats them he kills them, w/ Robi there is always a chance of that 2 pitch swing combine that w/ a SP like Oli who doesn’t throw strikes not a good combo.
Let’s Go Yankees!
Kevin
Why does Girardi always try to out-smart himself?
From sitting Kennedy in KC, to not walk Manny
Now he puts TWO RFs out there!?!??!
Perez usually dominates the Yankees for his career in 5gs 4-1 witha 2.88 era. Maybe thislineup will work, who knows?
You most likely will see Cano, Giambi and Abreu when and if Perez comes out of the game.
…Nice line up.
Rasner against Beckett. Should be a doozy.
Rasner and Beckett? bad news.
Friday is an easy win for Boston. Saturday will be tough with a pitcher we’ve never faced and Mussina’s history against Boston. Thursday won’t be easy, but I like our chances with Andy anytime. Sunday could be a cakewalk, but it could also be a disaster. Joba’s gotta have a terrible game eventually, right?
this is a throw away game. I just bet 70 on the mets as much as i hate them and still want to see the yanks win. Perez or any lefty kills the yanks and with THAT lineup, jeez
GO YANKS, but if they lose, at least i win money
“…Joba on primetime ESPN Sunday night should be a treat.”
Just hear a commercial on the radio where Jorge calls Joba – Yoba…
According to some of you I guess we should just forfeit the game on Friday. That’s why baseball is a great game, you never know.
After yesterdays game, I can say I am thankful to watch a game with the wonderful broadcasting of Michael Kay.
No, John, you’ve got it all wrong. Any time you can take the Yankees at + odds, you’ve got to do it! Especially against a pitcher that’s been trash this year, past history notwithstanding.
“Eugie Oli Perez kills LHB, not just beats them he kills them, w/ Robi there is always a chance of that 2 pitch swing combine that w/ a SP like Oli who doesn’t throw strikes not a good combo.”
Nah. I don’t see the point on resting players that hit LHP in favor of playing backup players just for matchups.
This is like a pre AROD/Posada line up. Taking out 3 big offensive threats is going a little far.
““Eugie Oli Perez kills LHB, not just beats them he kills them, w/ Robi there is always a chance of that 2 pitch swing combine that w/ a SP like Oli who doesn’t throw strikes not a good combo.â€
Nah. I don’t see the point on resting players that hit LHP in favor of playing backup players just for matchups.
This is like a pre AROD/Posada line up. Taking out 3 big offensive threats is going a little far.”
This resting isn’t JUST for matchups.
Cano plays every single game. The Yankees have played three games in two days after a late night rainout. I imagine these guys are getting tired.
Cano’s weakness is Perez’s strength. Pitches that miss the strike zone, lol.
The right side of the infield scares me. Posada is not an experienced first baseman, so if you’re starting him, why not give Alberto Gonzalez the start at Second over Betemit? His better range would help offset Posada’s lack thereof. If not, I’d have ratther started Cano. I can understand giving Giambi and Abreu a game off, but if you’re going to have Cano off too, why sacrifice both offense and defense? Plus Betemit isn’t exactly known for his right-handed batting prowess.
“Nah. I don’t see the point on resting players that hit LHP in favor of playing backup players just for matchups. ”
It’s not just for matchups. it’s for rest as well.
“This resting isn’t JUST for matchups.
Cano plays every single game. The Yankees have played three games in two days after a late night rainout. I imagine these guys are getting tired.
Cano’s weakness is Perez’s strength. Pitches that miss the strike zone, lol.”
Here’s my prior post:
When Cano was slumping he refused to give the guy a day or two off.. When he starts heating up, he rests him.
Cano this year
Vs left .281
Vs right .229
Past 7 days
2HR 7RBI .333
Yeah he needs a day.. we wouldn’t want him to catch on fire now.
Suzyn just said the grounds crew is expecting rain around 3 pm.
Another marathon day – I’d better limber up my typing muscles.
Eugie he’s not gonna draw a walk on Oli and Oli throws hard outside of the zone, not a good combo. Also he plays everyday give the guy a rest.
It wouldn’t be a Yankees games without the possibility of a rain delay.
Is Moeller a lefty bat? Otherwise why not Moeller?
They just showed the lineups on TBS and a-rod is NOT in right field. Peter lied to us =(
“Otherwise why not Moeller?”
He’s a crappy hitter?
Ahhh, I knew when I saw that lineup it was guaranteed to induce plenty of whining, second guessing and complaining.
“Yeah he needs a day.. we wouldn’t want him to catch on fire now.”
You have no idea how his body is feeling after playing three games in the last 36 hours.
Girardi has had a knack for sitting guys when they get hot. Let’s bench Cano and Abreu. Great idea. This is yet another stupid lineup. I don’t care what Perez does against lefties and righties. It especially doesn’t matter when you’re righties are Christian, Betemit, Cabrera, Molina. That’s 16 near automatic outs. You have a better chance of winning by playing your hotter, better hitters. Honestly, you’d rather have Betemit in there over Cano? Seriously? Lineup duties should be taken away from Girardi, he’s lost his privileges.
Why Oliver Perez? Why? He sucks against EVERYBODY else.
Hmmm. I bet the Mets wished that Oliver could face the Yankees 30 times a year.
Let’s go razzle.
that was a quick half inning
That’s 16 near automatic outs. You have a better chance of winning by playing your hotter, better hitters. Honestly, you’d rather have Betemit in there over Cano? Seriously? Lineup duties should be taken away from Girardi, he’s lost his privileges.
This should be a very interesting quote to refresh if the opposite happens
Well, the way the top of the first played out there…
let’s hope Rasner is on his game.
“You have no idea how his body is feeling after playing three games in the last 36 hours.”
You know what? If that’s the excuse, that’s fine. I have no problem with that. If it’s about matchups however, I do have a problem with it.
Angel,
Only at LoHud does the second guessing come before, not after.
Sorry I should have said more. Moeller caught Rasner each time he had his wins this year. Perez got tagged for a ton of runs last time out. So see, the hitting isn’t really what is the worry today?
So there is no answer to my question of course why not Moeller.
What part of 4 games in 48 hours don’t you people understand!
“Eugie he’s not gonna draw a walk on Oli and Oli throws hard outside of the zone, not a good combo. Also he plays everyday give the guy a rest.”
Not when he’s heating up. It makes no sense.
…Are we trying to give this inning away, or something?
is it me or does Molina miss pitches.
I’m starting the countdown till Reyes gets cocky – and decides to run at a stupid time and gets thrown out.
wow we got that call as a gift.
Let’s go Yanks !!!!!!!!
I believe there’s a chance you can win this,
however small the chance is
Joe seems to rest the hot guys.
“What part of 4 games in 48 hours don’t you people understand!”
Cashman should have called up 2 Jack Bauer’s from the farm for this weekend.
I know Molina is better defensively, but shouldn’t Moeller be catching Rasner right now?
“What part of 4 games in 48 hours don’t you people understand!”
Or Eddie Murphy and Nick Nolte.
There is no doubt in my mind Bobby gets wall shy on that one
Hahaha.
Oops, I forgot that you’re not a comedian.
C’mon Razzle-Dazzle. Delgado isn’t really that good.
LOL Hey guys! Didn’t I tell you guys that the Mets would sweep the Yankees! LOL! I’m so good at these predictions LOL!
I don’t know about that one. Christian had plenty of time to line himself up at the wall to catch that. Lately Bobby has been setting himself at the wall first, instead of running backwards at the wall with the ball in flight.
LOL! I FORGOT MY WEB-SITE LOL!
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Thanks and Go Yanks!
Whew!
LOL. Eddie & Nick. Classic.
Good job getting out of that one.
Nice “gut out” inning from Ras
LOL! I forgot my web-site!
Well, the hardest part of the Mets lineup is out of the way…
No Trot Nixon? Who’re we gonna boo?
“There is no doubt in my mind Bobby gets wall shy on that one”
Maybe – but Christian had plenty of time to settle under that. He actually didn’t look to comfortable on the catch.
Here’s a plan for next year. Jorge at first, Molina as the full time catcher, Moeller backing him up. Looks like that’s what they’re doing.
Hey all,
we finally arrived in NYC, but have a problem. Since StubHub doesn’t support a Belgian billing address on the Visa card, we turned to eBay to get some tickets for a Yankees game. Now, I won 2 tickets to Tuesday’s game (Joba’s start, if I’m not mistaken) for $16.00, but my Paypal apparently doesn’t work like it did two years ago when I was in Miami for half a year… Any tips/help? We’d really like to go to one or two games.
Additionally, if anyone knows anything about seeing one of the minor league teams, that’d be welcome as well.
Thanks in advance,
Wouter
Why can’t we hit Ollie Perez?
Detroit up 1-0 already
Oy, Yankees, hits, now please?
Molina is a terrible excuse for a full-time catcher.
Ollie’s throwing 94? Since when?
Yankee C D stats:
Molina 371 Inn 6 PB *25/18* (SB/CS)
Posada 184 Inn 1 PB *25/6* (SB/CS)
Moeller 155 Inn 0 PB *12/7* (SB/CS)
Molina does have too many PB but a *GUN*…and, Moeller is surprisingly good on D.
Mr. Mulligan,
At least he got out with his guts intact. Rasner’s a bubble-wrap candidate.
Jorge at first all year? I don’t think thats the plan for next year. This is only the second or third time that Posada has played first all year.
Even w/ the K that was a good AB by the blog-maligned Mr. B.
Wow….who’d have thunk that the most quality AB in this game so far would come from Wilson Betemit?
Cy Perez on the mound again against the Yanks…WTH?
Wouter if you write to the person you won the auction from and he lets you use another PayPal account my cousin’s girlfriend has one and she can pay for the tickets and you can just send her a check.
How in the world does a stinky team like Seattle slap around Ollie, but we swing and miss at everything?
Now the SOB throws 96
Thanks, Angel — I give that guy a free pass for his good usage of “forte”.
Ew. That payrol graphic was graphic.
Its rather lame hearing Mets fans shout “Yankees suck”.
Melkman the “slugger” of this lineup…LOL
…How do we not even have a baserunner against this guy?
Ok two innings and they are making this hack look like cy young.
I hate that skip over the foul line! He is showing up the batters!! Why no backpage on that?
is there some new rule that melky has to attempt a bunt at least once per plate appearance when the bases are empty?
Wow….who’d have thunk that the most quality AB in this game so far would come from Wilson Betemit?
Right here..
I seriously hate Oliver perez. Why can’t we hit him?!?!?!
I think Molina is GREAT as a full time catcher. When you look at offense remember that Jorge is the exception. If Molina has a lot of PB remember he’s still learning all of the pitchers. Maybe that would go down.
Jorge is possibly going to have off-season shoulder surgery – but why would you move such a plus-offensive catcher to first when our favorite Atlanta Brave (who is raking lately) would look so good at that corner next year?
melky is now very close to hitting .240 … but he’s still young, so it’s okay.
Yeah. 10c worth of credit for a 10c word.
Rasner. Man. Strikes.
you would think that after having seen him before they might have figured something out
Oliver Perez is a bizarre pitcher. He’s either lights out or absolute garbage. There’s very little in between.
It looks like we got Lights Out Oli…
UM if the third baseman is playing way back, and no one is getting a hit. Um I think it is a good idea to try and bunt for a hit.
Jorge at 1b is why they are not going to get involved with Mark Texeira.
I Want My WB has actually been swinging the bat pretty well lately, come to think of it. It seems so difficult to figure out how to best use him so he stays hot though. I’m glad I’m not the one who has to make that decision!
That was a mighty impressive catch by Posada. He’s not used to that kind of playing.
Did some of you get everything you wanted when you were kids? How about are you still getting everything you want? Spoiled much? Demand much???
It’s the second inning. Yankees have played a lot of ball in the past few days. Relax. If they don’t get a hit you can decide that either they suck or it happens. But please stop with the stupidity!
A sub .600 OPS from a regular is miserable, no matter what position they play. He has a .277 career OBP. That’s fine for a good defending backup, but that’s not good enough for a regular player.
“I think Molina is GREAT as a full time catcher. When you look at offense remember that Jorge is the exception. If Molina has a lot of PB remember he’s still learning all of the pitchers. Maybe that would go down.”
You always want full time players who’s OBP is around .300. If Molina is full time and we got Melky in CF and Cano at 2b we got 3 of them! Yay!
Damn talk about a cheap hit.
Oy you, Kay, I do not need to picture a shirtless Keith Hernandez.
Ever.
That’s a ball Melky should lay out for… I mean if he completely misses it, Christan was right behind him, there was nothing to lose.
“Rasner. Man. Strikes.”
He’ll be fine. Just relax or go away.
Can somebody tell me how a game against the Yankees in July is the most important game of the year for the Mets?
That payrol graphic was graphic.
Which is why so many on this board complain consistently about the poor performance. The Yankees are an entire teams payroll above the Tigers.
Only magnifies the poor performance to date by this team.
DP coming up.
Actually June, its not even July.
Crap. I was hoping for a DP there.
Rasner needs to command his pitches better. I’m not expecting miracles, but he’s just incredible hittable right now.
melky is a 5 tool player.
Yeah, Kay has some disturbing thoughts, but I laughed when he called it the “Sny booth”
“Jorge at 1b is why they are not going to get involved with Mark Texeira.”
IMO, that would be a HUGE mistake…Posada can split time between C & DH (with ‘Stache gone).
I’ll not “rehash” Tex’s stats…but that 5-hole in the New Yankee Stad is perfect for him.
C’mon Ras…
Gardner is really pushing Melky. With Matsui on the DL I wouldn’t be shocked if they brought him up to give him a go. He can’t be worse than Melky as a hitter.
Man, if Rasner isn’t pinpoint, and I mean, PINPOINT perfect he gets just hammered.
Lets remember that 10 million is owed to Carl Pavano. Should that even count?
Honestly, while I wish Cashman hadn’t overlooked his injury history, the apathy with which he approaches the game is just not something he could have predicted. Pavano is pathetic.
This might be Rasner’s last start, the way he’s pitching.
This umpired is inconsistent.
Rasner and Giese are going to cost the playoffs. But that’s what you get when you don’t go out and get an ace during the off season.
This ump irritates me. Seems indecisive.
Can Mussina come in now?
Poor umpires are a great drain on confidence for pitchers
Angel – probably because of Mets fans’ massive inferiority complex. They act like every game against us is game 7 of the WS, and when they beat a 31 year old minor leaguer like Giese, they act as if they smacked around Cy Young or something.
I guess we should all just take this opportunity to be glad we’re Yankee fans
Bases loaded nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
The price for Sabathia goes up with every Rasner pitch.
BBB WB has been slumping a bit lately his LD % went from 30 27 % concidentally his SLg went up…And here’s what I hate about Rasner..
Okay, Ras, now you need to get out Castillo.
jeez Rasner. come on!
Fire Girardi / fake me, enjoy it while you can. You’ll be banned tomorrow
Man, I should have taken the over/under on when the dead horse of Gardner/Melky would have been raised.
That was a strike.
I love how the zone changed.
Watching Reyes. At one point I thought he would be good for the Yankees but he is just a serious explosion waiting to happen. Plus, he would really fit the mold of an over paid loafing player.
C’mon Ras throw Castillo strikes and make him beat you…one more high FB
“This might be Rasner’s last start, the way he’s pitching.”
Rasner has pitched well since coming up. Give him time.
BBB WB has been slumping a bit lately his LD % went from 30 % to 27 % coincidently his SLG went up…And here’s what I hate about Rasner..
Haha, BBB. Well it wouldn’t surprise me as much coming from Mets fans, but when the SNY guys say it – well thats a bit more surprising.
Put a wig on Johan and he’d look just like Carla from Scrubs.
Bronson Arroyo, where are you?
**Kidding!
Rasner is in the rotation because Ian Kennedy and Phil Hughes are hurt. The final deal with the Twins involved Wang. So maybe we wouldn’t have to suffer Giese, but, Razzle-Dazzle would be here, Santana or not.
come on Ras…
crossing my fingers
wow.
Fire Girardi, you ain’t fooling anyone – people can tell you have no intelligence in your posts
Damn. That would have been a web gem for sure.
…I thought Castillo had bad legs?
Wow. That sucked. Excellent try by Jeter.
“Rasner has pitched well since coming up. Give him time.”
Bro, have you seen Ras’ L27 IP… > 7 ERA…UGLY
Good play Jeets…damn
wow!wow!wow!wow!
Great, now Wright with them loaded.
I’m losing faith in my boy Razzle.
Congratulations Rasner, you just won yourself a trip back to the minors. This time, stay there with your buddy Karstens.
Bad hop. Man oh man. That would’ve been nice to have.
your kidding me!!!!
look, rasner seems like a nice guy but there is a reason he has been mediocre for his career…you can only fool mlb hitters for so long.
minor league numbers dont matter… there is a huge difference between mlb and minor league hitters.
rasner is a long reliever at best.
Very bad luck
3 crap hits, Rasner has to keep his composure and throw strikes.
Cute does not work
1 more out Raz. Please
Rasner is the worst pitcher I have seen this year. And I watched Igawa.
Not a bad job at all by Rasner.
Only 1-0, Rasner limited the damage but if we don’t score runs…
Your – pronoun. possessive form of you. “The Yankees are your team.”
You’re – contraction of you are. “you’re kidding me?”
Friday: Darrell Rasner vs. Josh Beckett
Go away troll V.
“Great, now Wright with them loaded.
I’m losing faith in my boy Razzle.”
I can’t conceive that you had any faith in him to begin with.
Methinks the league has caught up with the Raz, time to send him down to AAA. Nice guy but he is a AAAA type pitcher. Let’s see what some of these kids can do
Funny, the Mets fans are complaining about the strike zone all this series, yet they ignore the fact that the first pitch to Castillo, that defined the entire at bat, was right down the middle and called a ball, probably costing us a run.
“Rasner is the worst pitcher I have seen this year. And I watched Igawa.”
You must not watch much baseball.
There’s -much- worse out there, lol.
i say let’s start small – a freaking base runner would be good…
Beckett is going to embarrass Rasner. I better sell my tickets.
I don’t understand why Rasner was afraid of throwing strikes to Castillo.
lmao @ rasner being the worst pitcher this guy has seen this year
Sigh. Ras is getting unlucky so far. First with that bloop hit (which was the run that scored I believe?) and then that run…that sucks, he made his pitch there but just an unfortunate result. At least he is keeping us in the game so far. Time for Perez to get unlucky now, at this point it seems like all his luck should have long since run out against us!
Funny how no one was talking the kind of crap they are now about Rasner, when he was winning.
Oh Mighty Oliver, no-hitters on consecutive days. When did this last happen in the Majors Pete?
Between Giese and Rasner if you have to stay with one which one do you pick? In this game you have to pick one or the other.
You really think we can score with this lineup?
Seriously people, that run was a cheap run. You really have to lay off Rasner so far today. Who cares how guys are on base if he makes the pitches and gets the results when it counts.
The big problem for Rasner is that this sucky offense needs to stop watching the game and start hitting. This is Oliver Perez they are facing, not Verlander, Beckett, Sabatthia.
Perez is a #4 starter on any team and one that you hold to eat up innings and hope he gives you 10 wins a year.
He has thrown 10 off speed pitches all day. Can’t the fearsome Yankees hacks hit a fastball?
The hitters are where you need to attack, not Rasner.
“Rasner is the worst pitcher I have seen this year.”
So you didn’t see any of the Yankees’ games vs the Mariners I take it? Or Houston for that matter?
Colorado back up 3-2 end of 2 in Detroit…Col lost a “heartbreaker” last night, scoring 4 off of Jones then having future Yankee LHP Fuentes blow it.
Perez will eventually have one of those innings where he gives up 5 runs, you’ll see.
Alan Horne may be hurt again, he left after 0.2 IP shaking his arm.
I would take a Jose Molina double right about now
“Funny how no one was talking the kind of crap they are now about Rasner, when he was winning.”
Even when he won he was lucky. Remember the SD game bud? This is a guy who was cut by the pitching poor Nationals. He’s not a rotation starter on the Yankees.
To clarify, while everyone was extolling the virtues of flyball machine Jeff Karstens, I was plugging Rasner as a league-average pitcher.
Though, to be fair, that’s precisely what he’s been so far this year.
You know, right now I’d settle for a base runner.
Whiff
At least a hit off of Perez? Or is that too much to ask
This lineup is going to make Perez look like Johan Santana.
I hate Perez.
“This might be Rasner’s last start, the way he’s pitching.”
He’s a fifth in the rotation starter – all you should ask him to do is give you a chance and I think the avg 5th starter’s era is about 4.75
So apparently not. 92 miles per hour is just to fast for the Yankee hitters.
This line up to day is just awful.
I agree about Rasner. Give it a break. Any of our other pitchers get out of that inning giving up just one run and you’d be wanting to hold their jock straps.
I cannot watch any game started by Rasner or Giese. It really hurts me eyes.
Listening to Sterling call these games is excruciating. The guy has no feel for the game, and he’s never on top of things. Castillo bunted that ball foul, huh? Did Jeter have an oppy to step on 2nd on that RBI grounder? I have no idea, ’cause I’m listening to Sterling, and he’s terrible.
We might see 17 K’s and a no hitter from Oli today.
Today’s line up goes:
1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 9, 9
C’mon Ras! Go deep!
This lineup is going to make Perez look like Johan Santana.
That’s what we’re hoping. Three Yankee runs should take this game.
Ollie Perez with a no-hitter. Ugh
let’s see, perez has been struggling with his control, has wracked up an ERA near 7 over his last few starts, and was in danger of losing his spot in the rotation going in to this start.
by all means, fellas, swing early and swing often. god forbid you make him work for it.
When Rasner first came up in May, every Yankee fan I know said they expected a 4-4.50 ERA from him. It is amazing how quickly people get spoiled and forget about their initial expectations after a couple starts of him pitching to a sub-2 ERA. Cmon, did anyone really think that was gonna last all season?
“Even when he won he was lucky. Remember the SD game bud? This is a guy who was cut by the pitching poor Nationals. He’s not a rotation starter on the Yankees.”
1. I’m not your bud.
2. Looks to me like the fact that he’s out there pitching righ now, he IS a rotation starter on the yankees. Regardless of your opinion of the deserving nature of it.
3. He’s also had incredibly unlucky losses. A 1-0 game where he went 8 innings and got no run support, as long we’re cherry picking games.
“To clarify, while everyone was extolling the virtues of flyball machine Jeff Karstens, I was plugging Rasner as a league-average pitcher.”
That’s what the Yankees need in the rotation. League average!
No wonder why haven’t won a title since 2000.
“This lineup is going to make Perez look like Johan Santana.”
You mean the guy who is 7-7?
I’d prefer he start looking like Kei Igawa!
Looks like Jeff Karsten’s could be ready to go on Friday, if Rasner does not have a good showing today.
This has been the Yankees’ problem all year- hitting a fastball. It’s amazing isn’t it, that guys in the major leagues are incapable of catching up to fastballs over 92 mph right over the plate. It’s the same reason we get dominated by guys like Garza, who literally threw 90% fastballs and we still didn’t hit him.
as cashman said, we don’t need another starter! this can be fixed from within!
Rasner is unlucky? Ok, Angel with stuff after the name. If that is how you feel and you think he’s good there is obviously no talking rationally to a moron like you.
I can see being a homer but open the eyes a little and accept the fact that most of our pitching is terrible.
Still only 0 – 1, Ras’ is gonna keep us “close” until the ‘Stache can end it with a PH BOMB off of Wagner…I can dream, right?
I don’t know what’s worst. Another mediocre pitcher make our lineup look like little leaguers or our little league pitcher pitch around scrubs like Castillo.
Hope the second time through the order the Yankees can manage something.
by all means, fellas, swing early and swing often. god forbid you make him work for it.
They need a couple hits off his fastball and that will force him to go to his breaking stuff and that is when he will get lit up. He has yet to be consistent with strikes on his breaking stuff. All his outs and majority of strikes (foul balls excluded) have been on fastballs.
So what is Kevin Long seeing that he could tell the hitters between innings? Oh wait, Kevin Long is not a hitting coach, just a bench coach, so nothing. Nice.
I think this is on the hitters…he’s 5-5 with a 5.11 ERA (higher than Rasner), how is no one getting a freaking hit?
Second time through the line up has to be better…
Hey Brandon-
How’s that quote working out for you so far?
Let’s go Rasner.
Just incase anyone missed it Alan Horne was lifted after 0.2 IP, he threw 32 pitches, 12 strikes — and he was constantly shaking his right arm in between pitches. He walked three and allowed a two-out, two-run single before being pulled from the game.
Chad Jennings has this on his site no further news then Alan was pulled. I’m hoping it’s mechanics and not what I think but hey I guess this year when it rains it pours.
The super fans have taken over here. The Rasner Fan CLub really has claws. Be careful anyone with a brain.
It might start raining soon.
“Rasner is unlucky?”
What else would you call that cheap infield hit if not unlucky? He made the pitch he needed to make, did he not? Good pitch, bad result – that is, by definition, unlucky.
I hope Horne is ok.
Don’t worry. Mr League Average starter will give up his 5 runs in 6 innings and Perez will shut us out.
C’mon everyone we know Rasner has avg MLB “stuff”, at best…3 IP / 1 ER…sounds damn good to me!
as cashman said, we don’t need another starter! this can be fixed from within!
Cashman needs to be fixed within, starting with his head and pitcher evaluation.
I think Girardi is just trying to take a cue from Joe Torre’s Dodgers and see if the Yanks can win without getting a hit.
Because it’s a copycat league, they say.
Do I really need to go back and list the ERAs and records of the 5th starters of the championship years? It’s getting really tedious.
Hey Brandon-
How’s that quote working out for you so far?
6 innings to go wanna tempt fate by all means fine by me
That was coming.
ugh. Not the dirty commie….
Oh, ream me with a rake…not again.
Dang it. 2-0 Mets
“Don’t worry. Mr League Average starter will give up his 5 runs in 6 innings and Perez will shut us out.”
Just go away. We won’t lose to Perez.
The last no hitter by a Met is when?
Damn.
“Rasner is unlucky? Ok, Angel with stuff after the name. If that is how you feel and you think he’s good there is obviously no talking rationally to a moron like you.”
You were the one who decided to start cherry picking particular games to back up your argument, I simply replied by your standards. If you don’t call losing a game 1-0 where you went 8 innings unlucky, then perhaps your definition of a moron is somewhat lacking and should perhaps involve a mirror in future?
“I can see being a homer but open the eyes a little and accept the fact that most of our pitching is terrible.”
I rest my case.
That sucks about Horne, hope it isnt serious
“Hey Brandon-
How’s that quote working out for you so far?”
You mean the $60 million worth of 1-4 that is getting blanked isn’t the real problem?
Ugh.
Nick: I think there’s something to that.
I respect how everyone wants Rasner to succeed but it is painfully obvious that he is a not a major league starter and we need to make a move ASAP.
Wow! delgado is so lucky that ball went over the wall. GO RASNER
“ugh. Not the dirty commie….”
LMAO!
Jeter has no range
I love those hangers down the middle.
After today will we be able to stop pretending that rasner is any good. he is an average #5 at best and on many days he might not even be that.
Who was extolling the virtues of Xavier Nady?
With Matsui on the DL…that move would make sense.
it’s only a matter of time now
Angel with scribbles next to your name, you are as clueless as you are sweet.
Are you Darrel’s family member or something?
I don’t think Rasner’s doing that bad a job so far. So I think that to let the lions out after the christians might be a little premature here.
I did want to see how he did with Moeller behind the dish but it’s possible it’s not going to happen. Too bad since Moeller caught all the games where he was lights out. I would have been curious to see if there was a difference.
The reason I asked about Giese or Rasner is since it might come down to that if Ponson’s first outing is any indication of what he has going.
2 more outs Rasner. come on
Pete was right about us starting Moeller today. we could have used the extra offense with all the lefties sitting.
We don’t even have #4 and you guys are whining about a #5 pitcher.
Looks like we will see the kid this game
I’m willing to see what Shawn Chacon can give us at this point.
I can deal w/ him getting hit but it’s the freaking ball 1 2 3 instead of throwing strikes that are getting me.
Good thing we held onto Horne this off season. You know how everyone of those top prospects will be all stars and all. Good thing we didn’t package him and some others for an actual top of the rotation starter.
Since God is clearly a Yankee fan, I expect the clouds to open up soon and give us a nice rain delay!
Perez is pitching a no hitter now but hopefully we see some hits second time around.
Anyone that slams Santana should be forced to watch Rasner and Giese everyday.
I believe our No. 4 is Sidney Ponson.
There are reinforcements on the way. Kennedy, Hughes, Wang, hell, maybe even Pavano will be back within the next two months. We just need to hope Joba continues to succeed and Ponson manages to hold his own.
There is no trade market. Cashman can’t steal the rights to players.
TKinDC
If you are right; who sent the plague of bugs in Cleveland.
Eugie June 29th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
We don’t even have #4 and you guys are whining about a #5 pitcher.
Rasner is fine and Giese had one bad game.
You can’t even argue my point, LFB.
You just make incorrect assumptions. I can’t just disagree with you because your argument didn’t persuade me to change my mind. I have to be a family member or something. Brilliant.
As of now, Friday’s matchup doesn’t look too promising lol. Have to hope that Andy, Moose and Joba can take care of business in a rather overwhelming way.
“I believe our No. 4 is Sidney Ponson. ”
No, he’s a bandaid.
Rasner is already at 70 pitches. Who follows him?
1 more out dude. You can do this
“I believe our No. 4 is Sidney Ponson.
There are reinforcements on the way. Kennedy, Hughes, Wang, hell, maybe even Pavano will be back within the next two months. We just need to hope Joba continues to succeed and Ponson manages to hold his own.”
This is why fans who want to win actual titles and not win mythical farm system of the yr titles are openly hostile and laughing at the GM.
6 hits and 3 BB’s in 3 innings. THat’s great.
“Rasner is fine and Giese had one bad game.”
Giese isn’t pitching next week.
Our Juvenile Deliquent just got a 2 out RBI(33) single vs Micheal Bowden.
72 pitches. Yikes.
David Robertson is going to make his debut in this game, one way or another.
Also, for those decrying the awfulness of the bullpen: the Yankees are 36-1 when leading after 6 innings. Not 8. SIX.
Ras BLOWING that FB by the pitcher…it is so much easier to pitch in the NL…Mitch Williams (Goose & Reggie) I LUV U, man.
Mulligan – I was the Xavier Nady girl, and definitely still in favor of bringing him onboard. I bet he could help us out a lot in a game like this. I read on nomaas yesterday where they were calling for the signing of Barry Bonds. Why, when we could have a righty instead who isn’t 40, isn’t a cancer, is just now hitting his prime, plays hard, can play the field, etc?
Time to at least try and get a hit off of Cy Perez.
What point?
You say Rasner is good. I say he’s terrible.
I say your point is a joke. I say you are utterly clueless to be on the fan bandwagon of Rasner.
So get it right Angel with funny scribblings.
Pray for a long rain delay.
But still feeling the love for the Razzle Dazzler and hope he can hold on. Yankees lineup: He’s not Johan – please start making him work.
“see what Shawn Chacon can give us at this point.”
An assault case?
We are paying the price for not getting a Santana or Haren last winter.
“I believe our No. 4 is Sidney Ponson.
There are reinforcements on the way. Kennedy, Hughes, Wang, hell, maybe even Pavano will be back within the next two months. We just need to hope Joba continues to succeed and Ponson manages to hold his own.
There is no trade market. Cashman can’t steal the rights to players”
Bro, great post…unfortunately coomon sense isn’t ruling the day.
Ugh
Not like that
common
Damn, c’mon JD…
“We are paying the price for not getting a Santana or Haren last winter.”
Blame the great Hughes and Kennedy. If they didn’t completely stink we wouldn’t have to sit thru the Rasners and Gieses and Ponsons.
Derek Jeter is my hero.
Finally, a hit!
So see all you have to do is apply a little common sense plus jinx!
Looked at the radar. Yankees might just want to pray for a rain cancellation rather that continue to look like a bunch of AA hitters against this hack.
I cannot believe 70+ games into the year and this Yankee team just wilts to mediocre pitching. Just stink up the place. I don’t get it.
How does this continue to happen???????
Rasner is what he is. Let’s just hope for the best from him.
Let’s also hope for a run or 2. Hell, a base runner would be nice.
Has an All-Star game ever been rained out?
“TKinDC
If you are right; who sent the plague of bugs in Cleveland.”
oh – that? let’s see . . . the Indians wear red, maybe . . .
SATAN? (after all, it was Job-a who got afflicted)
and the indians lost later.
Maybe this theory needs more work
Where did I say he was good? If you can point that out to me, I’d be grateful.
I merely pointed out that when he was pitching well (which he had been), people like you weren’t complaining.
If that isn’t the defintion of bandwagon fan, I don’t know what is.
Well, Joba, Andy and Moose better win every single time they start.
RISP and 1 out
Thank you Derek Jeter! Now they just have to get him home
Ha, wild pitch. There’s Perez.
Perez is like Dice-K. Can’t pitch effectively out of the stretch.
Theo is probably watching this and thinking, hey We don’t need to sign Sabathia in the off-season. We can sign Oliver Perez for half the price and beat the Yankees every time he pitches.
I want Santana, Haren, CC, and Bedard RIGHT NOW!!!
Wahhh…I want my bottle, too…
For better or worse we’re building a pitching staff from within with a few select pickups…deal with it, kids.
God damn it A-rod.
Don’t like when A-Rod hits a foul like that. Usually strikes out
Please unravel here Ollie
Damn, did he just balk? Sheesh
Man, Pete should just turn comments off when the Yankees are losing.
What a bunch of know-nothing Yankee ‘fans’ show up when the Yankees are, what, losing 2-0 in the 4th? Yeah, game’s -totally- over.
You losers probably thought the game was over yesterday when Santana was pwning in the 2nd and 3rd, also, eh?
When did Rasner pitch good?
His first three starts?
Let’s have a parade for him Angel with scribblings!!
He definitely deserves more starts because he pitched well 3 times.
I didn’t hear Chip mention inconsistent umpiring.
Almost tied it up.
ARod is on that FB…keep throwing it Ollie
Really, am I the only one who absolutely loathes Sterling? He had that as a home run. Unreal. We’re in the car on the way to Philly and I need to listen to this moron for the next 45 mins. Tempted to switch to the Mets feed. Unreal.
Duchebag mets fan acting all big time, screaming and throwing the a-rod foul ball back, guy would be drooling over arod if he was a met.
I still stood up and applauded when Arod hit that foul or not. Man he’s powerful.
“For better or worse we’re building a pitching staff from within with a few select pickups…deal with it, kids.”
I hope you can deal with 83 wins and no titles for a while.
Because all these great prospects look mighty overrated. One hit. Joba. But that is all you can ask for. You cannot expect 12 prospects to become good.
these TBS announcers are a disgrace
Hey at least he’s pushing his pitch count up.
Whoever cracked on Damon? Perez is murder on lefties.
Alex had a couple good swings on those…
dammit !!!!! DAMMIT !!! DAMM IT !!!
god damnit
Told you. His head swells with a long shot foul ball instead of just trying to get a hit.
Now there is going to be a 3 hour rain delay or the game will be called.
Rain delay soon
C’mon Jorge…one off da wall
I’m done with you LFB.
I made a comment, you apparently can’t deal with, and have to turn it into something that you’re taking personally.
Get over it, move on and have a nice day.
“When did Rasner pitch good?
His first three starts?
Let’s have a parade for him Angel with scribblings!!
He definitely deserves more starts because he pitched well times.”
You do realize that he has pitched well for more than three starts. Or are you just looking at his win/loss record.
Has he been pitching great lately? No.
We will see what happens to him.
Are you kidding? Every time this happens with Perez. We never punish him when we’ve got him.
The lineup is an embarrassment.
Who should we thank for stocking the bench with scrubs who can’t hit?
Just got back in. Why can’t the Yanks hit Perez? He’s on the verge of being taken out of the starting rotation. It seems like the only team he does well against is the Yanks. This is so frustrating. Everyone else kills him.
How many FB’s down the middle can A-Rod not put in play? Or the Yankees, for that matter?
Dang it. That sucked
“Now there is going to be a 3 hour rain delay or the game will be called.”
How about a 1:20 rain delay so we get into the Mets pen?
BTW, when Cone lived in that East Side building, we hung out one night and smoked together. He’s the most compelling, thoughtful, and intellectually curious athlete I’ve ever had the pleasure to meet.
He asked me about twenty questions about what the practice of law was like.
Rasner hasn’t been the same the last 4 starts or so, ERA has been around 6.
Good news about a rain delay. If it’s long enough Perez might not be back out.
Game rules again. Game is official after 5 innings if home team is ahead? Then we better milk the top of the 5th.
“How times did Michael Kay say “perfect game?†1,000? Of course Jeter breaks it up.”
WHAT IS YOUR POINT, PETE?! THAT I SHOULDN’T MENTION WHAT’S HAPPENING IN THE GAME?! THAT’S MY JOOOOB!!
YOU KNOW THE GERMAN PEOPLE DIDN’T TALK ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST, PETE! THEY SAID NOTHING WHEN THE JEWS WERE BEING MARCHED INTO THE OVENS! WAS THAT PROPER, PETE???!
ASININE!!! ASININE!!
“these TBS announcers are a disgrace”
I don’t think I can bear 5 and 1/2 more innings of their slurping. Notice to announcers, you can take his junk out of your mouths anytime now, really!
I hope you’re done with me Angel with scribblings because I don’t want anything to do with a Super Fan who thinks Rasner should be pitching in the rotation.
Clueless? Yes you are, sweetie pie.
“The lineup is an embarrassment.
Who should we thank for stocking the bench with scrubs who can’t hit?”
Yeah, ARod and Posada, what scrubs.
I like Cone as an announcer.
that my friends is why i put 70 bucks on the mets today. With the yankees lineup being a joke, they can pretty much challenge the yankees good hitters, and when the mets face a tough spot like right there to jorge, he doesn’t have to give him anything to hit because wilson betemit is on deck. jeter, arod, posada are the only chances that the yankees have today. I like my chances betting on the mets because even if those guys get on look at what you have behind them: betemit, melky, molina…WOW big boppers. lol
“Game is official after 5 innings if home team is ahead? ”
Yeah I believe that’s the rule.
Perez is not even trying to throw his breaking stuff anymore. It’s just FB wherever it ends up being, and he gets away with it because there’s nobody in our lineup who can put the bat on the ball. It’s embarassing
If the Sox signed Perez and AJ Burnett we would never win a series with Boston.
Did anyone see A-Rod take that deep breath on the 8th pitch? Damn, he looked nervous. I love the guy, but still, I wish he had the confidence his talent should impart. Jeter would be up there saying to himself, “Come on, Meat, I dare you yo give me that sheisah again. I’m going yard.”
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not sure if it was posted already but it looks like Horne is hurt & left his start early, really hope its not bad cuz this guy worked ihs ass off getting through other injuries to get this close to th e majors. would be a shame to go down again
Maybe if this game gets rained out they can reschedule it for July 10 and have a 2-city doubleheader with the Pirates and Mets. Just get it all out of the way at once.
“The lineup is an embarrassment.
Who should we thank for stocking the bench with scrubs who can’t hit?â€
Yeah, ARod and Posada, what scrubs.
Because ARod and Posada are bench players you dummy??? You really got some special ed people here.
well at least this won’t be an offical game before they call it.
Nick, you better get out the Strawman© picture.
I think its being summoned.
“I hope you can deal with 83 wins and no titles for a while.”
Man, even with as bad as the SP has looked in the 1st half (at times) and the numerous devastating injuries…we’re on pace to win 88.
Do you even watch baseball?
A-Rod gets 3 big hits a year. He’s pacing himself for when this lead is 5-0.
Hey John, are they letting you cash out on that bet already?
2 more outs Raz. Please dude
“YOU KNOW THE GERMAN PEOPLE DIDN’T TALK ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST, PETE! THEY SAID NOTHING WHEN THE JEWS WERE BEING MARCHED INTO THE OVENS! WAS THAT PROPER, PETE???!
ASININE!!! ASININE!!”
ugh – go away.
You could even tell the swing before his strike out Alex was behind on that FB, I can’t stand that type of thing he’s not going offspeed there get yourself ready for the FB.
Either way they’re making Oli look like Johan Santana.
“Man, even with as bad as the SP has looked in the 1st half (at times) and the numerous devastating injuries…we’re on pace to win 88.
Do you even watch baseball?”
I wager that most of our Resident Idiot ‘Yankee Fans’ watch a grand total of 10 games a season.
These fools all think alike. Game’s over the second your team gives up the lead, lol.
“Because ARod and Posada are bench players you dummy??? You really got some special ed people here.”
Abreu, Cano, Giambi are on the bench today. They’re hardly scrubs, lol.
Whiff I’m thinking once the Yanks finish their next AB this game is official. I’ll be surprised if it’s called before that.
yup
“I like my chances betting on the mets because even if those guys get on look at what you have behind them: betemit, melky, molina…WOW big boppers. lol”
And I like my chances with that -wonderfully- reliable Met bullpen, with Giambi, Abreu, and Cano available off the bench.
Guys, just remember, we were a game under .500 at the ASB last year.
I don’t think–well, I hope, anyway–we’ll have to worry about that this year.
Man, even with as bad as the SP has looked in the 1st half (at times) and the numerous devastating injuries…we’re on pace to win 88.
Do you even watch baseball?
On pace for? Not with Giese and Rasner and Ponson starting 2/5 of the starts. That on pace for crap is going to go quickly down.
Maybe you should actually watch some baseball.
kill-schill, that’s awesome about smokin with Coney. My immense jealousy is only slightly dulled by the joy I dervied from learning that he partakes.
So Kennedy was demoted? interesting.
What’s the radar report look like?
Any chance for a long, long, rain delay so we can get rid of of Perez and get the lefties in the game.
Rasner is at 80 pitches and it’s the 4th inning.
Can Robertson pitch more than 2 innings?
Okay, I’ll do it, because you morons are so persistent:
1996:
Kenny Rogers: 30 starts, 4.68 ERA
Jimmy Key: 30 starts, 4.68 ERA
Dwight Gooden: 29 starts, 5.01 ERA
Ramiro Mendoza: 11 starts, 6.79 ERA
1998:
Hideki Irabu: 28 starts, 4.03 ERA – the rotation this year was excellent, but then again, they won 112 games, so that’s to be expected.
1999:
Andy Pettitte: 31 starts, 4.70 ERA
Roger Clemens: 30 starts, 4.60 ERA
Hideki Irabu: 27 starts, 4.84 ERA
2000:
David Cone: 29 starts, 6.91 ERA
El Duque: 27 starts, 4.51 ERA
Denny Neagle: 15 start, 5.81 ERA
2001 (three outs away after all):
Ted Lilly: 21 starts, 5.37 ERA
El Duque: 16 starts, 4.85 ERA
Randy Keisler: 10 starts, 6.22 ERA
Sterling Hitchcock: 9 starts, 6.49 ERA
So, about those amazing championship-winning rotations…
“A-Rod gets 3 big hits a year. He’s pacing himself for when this lead is 5-0.”
Fortune 500. Go back, watch the 2007 season and try to bring your brain to this forum next time…
“Either way they’re making Oli look like Johan Santana.”
I hope so. I can’t wait to see him look as flustered as Santana looked yesterday at times.
“Abreu, Cano, Giambi are on the bench today. They’re hardly scrubs, lol.”
The bench players dummies. The Molinas, Betemits, Moellers. I would list someone good but we don’t have anyone good on there. No one who could hit.
Really. We got a Mensa meeting here today.
Okay, I’ll do it:
1996:
Kenny Rogers: 30 starts, 4.68 ERA
Jimmy Key: 30 starts, 4.68 ERA
Dwight Gooden: 29 starts, 5.01 ERA
Ramiro Mendoza: 11 starts, 6.79 ERA
1998:
Hideki Irabu: 28 starts, 4.03 ERA – the rotation this year was excellent, but then again, they won 112 games, so that’s to be expected.
1999:
Andy Pettitte: 31 starts, 4.70 ERA
Roger Clemens: 30 starts, 4.60 ERA
Hideki Irabu: 27 starts, 4.84 ERA
2000:
David Cone: 29 starts, 6.91 ERA
El Duque: 27 starts, 4.51 ERA
Denny Neagle: 15 starts, 5.81 ERA
2001 (three outs away after all):
Ted Lilly: 21 starts, 5.37 ERA
El Duque: 16 starts, 4.85 ERA
Randy Keisler: 10 starts, 6.22 ERA
So, about those amazing championship-winning rotations…
The top three are what matter. That’s the bottom line.
John, you have a generous bookie to let you cash out a 2-run game in the 4th inning. I thought you could only do that kind of thing on one of the in-running trading sites!
It’s raining with thunder and lightning here in northern Manhattan
You people like to cry after every at-bat….chill out guys. Let the game play out..you never know what might happen.
Kevin
Whiff I’m thinking once the Yanks finish their next AB this game is official. I’ll be surprised if it’s called before that.
Of course, any way to screw the Yankees. Bud Selig and MLB are just as bad as Stern and his NBA lynchmen
BBB, really a supremely great guy. One thing though about him that puzzled me. Consummate politician, that he is, he said naturally that he’s friend-LY with everyone on the team. But the only guy he said he hung out with outside the Stadium was the Boomer.
All his friends, he said, did other things for a living than play baseball.
Ras is FIGHTING, baby…all you can ask for.
C’mon RAIN DELAY…Ras getting that FB up to 87.
1996:
Kenny Rogers: 30 starts, 4.68 ERA
Jimmy Key: 30 start, 4.68 ERA
Dwight Gooden: 29 starts, 5.01 ERA
Ramiro Mendoza: 11 starts, 6.79 ERA
1998:
Hideki Irabu: 28 start, 4.03 ERA – the rotation this year was excellent, but then again, they won 112 games, so that’s to be expected.
1999:
Andy Pettitte: 31 starts, 4.70 ERA
Roger Clemens: 30 starts, 4.60 ERA
Hideki Irabu: 27 starts, 4.84 ERA
2000:
David Cone: 29 starts, 6.91 ERA
El Duque: 27 starts, 4.51 ERA
Denny Neagle: 15 start, 5.81 ERA
2001 (three outs away after all):
Ted Lilly: 21 starts, 5.37 ERA
El Duque: 16 starts, 4.85 ERA
Randy Keisler: 10 starts, 6.22 ERA
So, about those amazing championship-winning rotations…
The top three are what matter. That’s the bottom line.
Kevin
You’re asking for a miracle.
why is everyone all over Raz? it’s only two to nothing.
“Fortune 500. Go back, watch the 2007 season and try to bring your brain to this forum next time…”
I just thought about October and my brain hurts…
But his 3 big hits last year were great stuff.
Battle through this Raz! Battle!
kill-schill,
So needless to say, you and Coney had similar political views?
Just kidding.
honestly do you really think the yanks behind wilson betemit melk molina are going to get it done today, they are rally killers. Not to mention joe benched the guys who actually hit perez well. this was a throw away game in my opinion
Sorry for the double post. I couldn’t get the post through. I wonder if Sterling Hitch#### was getting hung up in the spam filter? If so, that’s hilliarious.
It is disgusting to bring up the Holocaust in a baseball blog – totally inappropriate and Pete that comment should be deleted!
if it rains, does that mean IGAWA?
nvm. I mean a long reliever
Well once this game is called, watch the Euro cup… Fantastic match up with Germany and Spain. Countries are so passionate about their teams. A lot like Yankee fans. Good thing they don’t have blogs that many on this site go to, they would ridicule those fans for caring to much and being “morons”, “stupid”, “dumb”, “trolls”, “hacks”, “stalkers”, etc. But then again, maybe not, country might allow them a pass where everyday baseball is just entertainment.
If struggling pitchers want to get well they should face the Yankees. And more importantly the Yankees bench players.
Coney also is a fierce, fierce, fierce union guy. So we asked him whether he was a Democrat too?
He just smiled and said, “Come on guys, if I give the wrong answer, you’re not going to pass THAT.”
We all just broke up in laughter. My buddy, the guy he knew in the building is a traditional Wall St. Republican, so you can draw whatever conclusion you like from Cone’s reticence.
We got all these great pitching prospects in the minors and Igawa and Rasner are out first options.
Seems strange.
igawa was sent down
Vamos España!
“Guys, just remember, we were a game under .500 at the ASB last year.
I don’t think–well, I hope, anyway–we’ll have to worry about that this year.”
Good point Rebecca – plus with Big Popi being a big question mark and the BoSux not running away the situation is actually much better than last year.
TB is cute, but they are going to fade at some point – we will make the 13th post-season in a row IMHO.
Well, so far Betemit is our best offensive player. Two quality ABs.
oh F… this I’m getting some coffee, be back later.
Looks like a Robertson sighting soon.
Mel, believe it or not, I consort with a few Republicans.
John, it’s just bad form to start crowing about a gambling win (or any win, for that matter) when it’s a 2-run game in the 4th or 5th inning. Pat yourself on the back when the game is actually over and then I’ll congratulate you on your keen insights.
anyone else think the supermodel was killed?
case in point, 0-5 for those 3 guys, and after molina gets out it’ll be 0-6
doesnt help that the home plate ump is giving perez EVERY call
“TB is cute, but they are going to fade at some point – we will make the 13th post-season in a row IMHO.”
Seems more like wishful thinking.
They have much better SP than us and there 3 best offensive players have yet to hit this year.
This lineup the Yankees have on the field reminds me of the days when Mel Hall batted clean-up and Len Ciccata played 2b.
Girardi out-thought himself here and created a self-fulfilling prophecy.
strike out #9 here
So, now that the numbers are staring you lot in the face, have you more to say about the uselessness of league-average starters?
“Countries are so passionate about their teams.”
Yes, so passionate they sometimes riot, whether in victory or defeat. Resulting in injuries and deaths. A standup example of fandom there.
I really like soccer, but soccer fans are sometimes more insane and irrational than some people on this blog. Its like a freaking religion in some countries.
“Coney also is a fierce, fierce, fierce union guy. So we asked him whether he was a Democrat too?
He just smiled and said, “Come on guys, if I give the wrong answer, you’re not going to pass THAT.—
LMAO!! Just when I thought I couldn’t love him any more…
That is weird that he hung out with Boomer though. I would have expected O’Neill or Bernie.
LOL. Molina, “WTF was that call for Rasner?”
Why is Moeller on the roster?
Wouldn’t having Duncan’s bat or Gardners legs and D be better?
was that the first time the yanks got the ball out of the infield, crist…hey cashman, nice job getting some hitters that can hit vs. lefties
Who cares if we make the Postseason? It’ll be another 1st round finish. We’re not getting far with 3 starters and no bullpen…and this guy managing.
Eric that post was a spoof of Michael Kay who used the holocause as a comparison when he was questioned on talking about no hitters.
1 hit by Oliver Perez. Girardi is an idiot for putting this line up out there. I cannot believe they are getting 1 hit by Perez. That is like another team getting no hit by Kei Igawa. Simply a disgrace.
Rasner wouldn’t win this game if he threw a shutout. Girardi should be embarrassed by the lineup he ran out onto the field today. How are you going to win a game with Betemit, Cabrera, Molina, Christian, and the Pitcher?
Is he joking?
Cabrera- .200 vs LHP
Molina- .196 vs LHP
The Yankees need to hold the Mets to 2-0 and then start working in the lefties by the 7th, whether or not Perez is still in the game.
This line-up is NOT going to score against him.
I think it’s safe to say Girardi overthought this one. I know he wants to take advantage of the lefty/righty numbers, but I’d rather have more than 4 Major League hitters in the lineup. Ok, 4 1/2 with Melky.
“Guys, just remember, we were a game under .500 at the ASB last year.
I don’t think–well, I hope, anyway–we’ll have to worry about that this year.”
A good attitude. You can stay.
“This lineup the Yankees have on the field reminds me of the days when Mel Hall batted clean-up and Len Ciccata played 2b.”
LOL…Mel Hall…all show and no game but I loved him.
This is not a team that wins a playoff series.
They don’t have the pitching and we have all seen them hit with RISP this year.
can we have like a 2 hour rain delay to get Perez out of the game
kill-schill,
I was just kidding. You used a mighty wide brush yesterday and used a fallacy in your comments about Damon. He may or may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but it has nothing to do with his politics.
“Well once this game is called, watch the Euro cup… Fantastic match up with Germany and Spain. Countries are so passionate about their teams. A lot like Yankee fans. Good thing they don’t have blogs that many on this site go to, they would ridicule those fans for caring to much and being “moronsâ€, “stupidâ€, “dumbâ€, “trollsâ€, “hacksâ€, “stalkersâ€, etc.”
You kidding? Blogs of all stripes attract jagoffs. Even ones who speak a different language and enjoy sports where ’2-1′ is a high-scoring game (I kid).
Brandon – 0/7, 3K’s Making Perez look like Sandy Koufax.
Joe, I think Igawa was optioned out yesterday.
Oh, Perez is bad, but not Igawa bad.
“Good point Rebecca – plus with Big Popi being a big question mark and the BoSux not running away the situation is actually much better than last year.
TB is cute, but they are going to fade at some point – we will make the 13th post-season in a row IMHO.”
Wouldn’t count on Tampa fading. Scary thing about the Rays is that they’ve had NOBODY come anywhere near exceeding expectations offensively and guys like Upton and Pena have fallen well short. Yet they are still right there.
Same thing with the Red Sox. Nobody is having a career year among that group. Ramirez is underachieving, Varitek has been awful.
There is a much reason to think these teams can be better in the 2nd half as there is to think the Yankees will.
How the hell are we going to get any runs?
Dixie I think Moeller’s there for two reasons. One is I don’t think he has anywhere to go but to be DFA if they leave him off the roster. I don’t think they want to chance losing him again. Anyone? The other reason is they might want to have him in the wings if Jorge has any problem at all.
Billy Cristal could work better AB’s than Melky now.
Girardi just didn’t think today. Who cares if lefties hit .167 off Perez? Our lefties are good lefties who hit lefty pitching! And would you rather have Abreu out there or Melky who hits .200 vs. LHP?
Hmm, I wonder what will predict how the guy will do. The fact that righties on average hit .260 off him, or the fact that THIS RIGHTY hits .200 off lefties!
If Perez is throwing strikes, he can be tough.
Can the Yanks at bats get any worse? They are awful against garbage pitchers. Perez is soo wild especially in the last 2 innings and they are swinging at everything. In every at bat Perez usually throws about 2-3 pitches that are not strikes and they are swinging at every single one of them. Manuel said Perez was out of the rotation if this start was not against the Yanks!!! His next start he will probably last 2 innings and then he will be out of it. They need to swing at strikes!! I am sick and tired of them swinging at the dirt in every at bat. Note to Girardi if you are going to sit your lefties then you need to play righties who are major leaguers. Not all of this garbage.
Oh god, not the Joba argument again.
Good play by Christian.
“How the hell are we going to get any runs?”
Aaron Heilman?
This game isn’t over. It’s close to being over but it’s not over.
I never liked Mel Hall, but now after hearing about his bullying a young Bernie, I really REALLY hate him. Plus didn’t he end up being a pederast….8-year-olds, Dude? :\
It’s a close contest between him and Kevin Brown as to who is my least favorite Yankee ever.
Ugh, now these idiots on TBS are saying Joba should have stayed in the pen. Not sure how much longer I can stand this Idiocy In Stereo.
Darling is such an idiot. He thinks that Girardi’s the one moving Joba around. It was pre-destined.
He must not know that the Yankees are 36-1 when leading after 6 innings this season.
Why are they still arguing about Joba? They show the graphic of him pitching 25 innings or whatever with a 1.8 era and it makes them sound ridiculous when they say that 40-50 relief appearances > starter
Is Rasner allergic to 1-2-3 innings?
come on Rasner-1 more out
When will people realize Joba is a starting pitcher.
What do you expect with the spring training lineup in the game?
If A-Rod doesn’t get a hit everytime up we aren’t scoring.
I am excited I am going to the game on Sunday. I really hope Joba embarasses the Sux line-up.
Girardi will put an all RH team against Beckett, because Beckett is tough on lefties.
when is pavano coming back?
“Girardi just didn’t think today. Who cares if lefties hit .167 off Perez? Our lefties are good lefties who hit lefty pitching! And would you rather have Abreu out there or Melky who hits .200 vs. LHP?”
I’m sure he gave it -some- thought.
I’d rather those players get some rest with a stretch of games without days off coming up, then be available to PH against the better matchups the Met bullpen will provide us.
The silence of the bottom-of-the-rotation bashers is deafening.
Tampa Bay is for real.
However, we still have most of our games to play against Tampa and Boston, and that’s where the division is won or lost.
And talking about surprises, how about those Orioles I had them predicted to lose 100 games, and now they might win 85…
“1 hit by Oliver Perez. Girardi is an idiot for putting this line up out there. I cannot believe they are getting 1 hit by Perez. That is like another team getting no hit by Kei Igawa. Simply a disgrace.”
If Igawa had EVER shown shutdown talent, you might have a point.
http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/.....008/225417
Oli’s had several excellent starts (including shutting down the Rangers (best offense in baseball this year)), and several stinkers (including getting pwned by the Mariners). He’s as inconsistent as you can get.
“Billy Cristal could work better AB’s than Melky now.”
Gardner is a better option for CF at this point.
With Matsui on the DL the Yanks need to bring up Gardner. Let him play LF every day and Damon DH. I am not saying that Gardner is going to be a hall of famer or anything but at this point he can’t possibly be worse then Melky. When are the Yanks going to realize that Melky is not in a slump he is an awful hitter and not a major leaguer. With his at bats you would think it is the pitcher batting. I am sick of him already.
“I never liked Mel Hall, but now after hearing about his bullying a young Bernie, I really REALLY hate him. Plus didn’t he end up being a pederast….8-year-olds, Dude? :\”
I didn’t know any of that…damn, he was an A-hole scumbag if that’s true.
Just remeber the “batting gloves” and showmanship…even though he was never good.
5 innings, 2 runs. I’ll take that from my No. 5.
“When will people realize Joba is a starting pitcher.”
When someone better than Kyle Farnsworth is setting up Mo, the debate ends.
“The silence of the bottom-of-the-rotation bashers is deafening.”
Really? Because I think everyone has been pretty loud saying we need to improve the backend and add a frontline pitcher.
how about a rain delay – about 60 mins or so should be enough to get rid of Perez
I have something to say to those of you who are being so critical of Rasner: don’t worry. If he does not get the job done, he will be replaced.
The Yankees do not tolerate failure. As you may know, the Yankees are 36-1 when leading in the 7th inning this season. The guy who gave up that one loss? He was soon ejected from the bullpen.
So relax. It’ll be ok.
Buck and McCarver were eating the Yanks alive yesterday about Joba as a starter, the guy has an under 2 ERA and has been even filthier than he was in the pen. Those two idiots must never watch a Yanks game yet still have the gall to rip them when they cover a game. I REALLY hate Fox broadcasts.
“Wouldn’t count on Tampa fading. Scary thing about the Rays is that they’ve had NOBODY come anywhere near exceeding expectations offensively and guys like Upton and Pena have fallen well short. Yet they are still right there.”
But pitching wise they’ve had just about everyone (especially the bullpen) playing over their heads. So I think their offense might heat up but the pitching will fall back down to earth. Also, they are relying on a lot of players who are not used to the grind of a 162 game season – especially not a 162 game season of winning baseball. They will finish the season with a respectable record but I think the Yanks can beat them out in the end.
Rasner battled-gotta give him that.
If the dead Mets can get 7 hits in 5 innings off Rasner, I shudder to think what the disciplined Sox will do.
christian, pinch hitter, damon, can you say 123
“Hall was arrested in Lewisville, Texas on June 21, 2007 and charged with two counts of sexual assault after North Richland Hills, Texas police received a report from a woman who claimed she was sexually assaulted in March 1999, when she was under the age of 17. During the investigation, a second alleged victim under the age of 14 was identified. If convicted, Hall faces a sentence of up to life imprisonment.”
Wow, Mel Hall is a TRUE SCUMBAG…MLB “Hall of Shame” Founding Member…enjoy those “fellas” in the TX State Pen, Mel.
I kinda wish Gardner would get a shot so he could go 0/30 and shut you guys up, lol.
“When someone better than Kyle Farnsworth is setting up Mo, the debate ends.”
Hawkins, Ohlendorf and Ramirez don’t count???
I didn’t suggest, or intend to suggest, one caused the other, Mel.
Just remarked on the ironic coincidence of the two. An irony I particularly cherished because of my perception of the intelligence of Bonzo’s sidekick.
Multiple posters opined that past Yankee championship ballclubs didn’t have mediocre back of the rotation pitchers. Well, I showed them that it’s a matter of historical record that they did. And the chatter has died down. So yes, I take a bit of credit for shutting them up.
“How times did Michael Kay say “perfect game?—
Shouldn’t he be trying to jinx him?
Oli’s had several excellent starts (including shutting down the Rangers (best offense in baseball this year)), and several stinkers (including getting pwned by the Mariners). He’s as inconsistent as you can get.
Then he would fit perfectly with the Yankees. They are just as inconsistent
“I kinda wish Gardner would get a shot so he could go 0/30 and shut you guys up, lol.”
At least he’d probably walk 15 times. To Melky’s 1.
nice, pinch hit moeller, not cano who bats 400 vs. perez
Only 81 pitches for Perez….Uggghhh! and why is Moeller pinch-hitting?
If Moeller is the pinch hitter..then why not just send up the pitcher??!! Pathetic..
“Rasner battled-gotta give him that.”
Rasner is a good pitcher and has done a great job this year.
What a tease!
“Buck and McCarver were eating the Yanks alive yesterday about Joba as a starter, the guy has an under 2 ERA and has been even filthier than he was in the pen.”
Don’t know about Buck, but I’ve heard McCarver say he thinks Joba belongs in the rotation. He just doesn’t like the mid-season transition. He thinks Joba should have started the season in the rotation. That would have left him with a crippling innings limit, but there it is.
12, lets make it 3 so i can be right again
This isn’t football. Even the best teams lose 60 games each year.
Damn, that was nearly No. 4 off Perez!
It’s that kind of day for the Yankees.
Mulligan – wow, I don’t think I even knew about the second victim. What a dirtbag. Anyway, sorry to be the bearer of bad news…
Well, here’s something.
Jetes, lets see some power.
finally
UGHHHH we can’t catch a break
Sterling. Just did it again. Truly unbelievable. He had Moeller’s out as a home run. That’s twice today. I really hate this giu and don’t understand how he’s still working.
BBB:
What Rays pitcher has overaxchieved??? Kazmir is a legit stud and Shields os right behind him. Garza is a very solid young pitcher. Sonnanstine and Jackson are pitching about what you’d expect 4-5 guys to do.
Rays staff does benefit from having the best defense in the AL East, but that’s not apt to change.
“I kinda wish Gardner would get a shot so he could go 0/30 and shut you guys up, lol.”
Wishing for Yankee failure would be a pretty sure sign that you care more about others’ opinions than you do about the team.
sounds like Darling is gonna vote this year.
Jeter, that was a really crappy AB. Nice job, Caps.
Can we see the lefties, now Joe?
niiiiiiice job yanks. still havent seen a guy on 3rd base today
well – way to erase that base runner quickly
Damon jogging out of the box. That’s just great.
“Multiple posters opined that past Yankee championship ballclubs didn’t have mediocre back of the rotation pitchers. Well, I showed them that it’s a matter of historical record that they did. And the chatter has died down. So yes, I take a bit of credit for shutting them up.”
No one listened to your insane post. It was insanity. No Yankee fan with a brain thinks that Giese, Ponson, and Rasner are in the same league as Key, Gooden and Rogers in ’96.
No Yankee fan with a brain thinks they are like Pettitte and Clemens.
No Yankee fan with a semblance of coherence thinks they are Cone or El Duque.
Give it up.
Yeah, this game has just not gone our way at all so far. At this point it goes beyond the Yankees always letting Perez off the hook and/or Rasner’s recent struggles…just bad luck.
Beauty of baseball is that the little things can start going in our favor quick, fast and in a hurry! Hopefully soon. Gotta hold em here though.
Why would you swing at the first pitch against a guy who’s wild? And still, Jeter can’t even hit the ball right down the middle much more than a weak ground out to second? Moeller can hit a fastball over the plate, why can’t $19 million man?
robertson is coming in for da yanks. should be interesting to see his ml debut
The Yankees are so frustrating to watch today. I really don’t think that Perez is as good as the Yankees are making him look.
The bats needs to get going – especially with Texas coming in tomorrow.
Jeter the pitcher is wild. You have only had 2 base runners try letting him throw some pitches. Only an idiot swings at the 1st pitch.
Well, they lose the series to the Mets but took 2 of 3 this weekend at Shea. That means they are winning series as they should if they are going to have any shot at making the playoffs.
Winning the division might be a longshot but Tampa is due for a lull. Boston, fingers crossed for their traditional August slide.
This has become tiresome. I cannot watch teams that don’t work the count vs Perez.
Atleast Gardner would beat out some of those groundballs that Melkys hits when he is over matched…which is almost every at bat. Yanks can use his speed, to beat out infield hits and bunt himself on.
“Mulligan – wow, I don’t think I even knew about the second victim. What a dirtbag. Anyway, sorry to be the bearer of bad news…”
1991 NYY…FUTILITY DEFINED.
In HS, I used to carry two batting gloves in my back pockets at all times, ala Mel…”so the pitchers could see me waving goodbye as I circled the bases”…alas, I was all flash and no game, too.
You people can’t bash Jeter for not being patient and than praise his hits.
You have watched him for a decade. This is him.
Hey – he took Willie’s number!!!!
Plitt, so in your opinion, there is some kind of profound difference between the mediocre seasons of Roger Clemens and Darrell Rasner?
Please explain.
Ok, Ron.
I’ll tell Cashman to stop trying to add a good starting pitcher because these guys at the back end are good enough.
You have completely silenced me. I now think we can win a title with Rasner and Giese pitching.
I bow to you.
“I just don’t want to make an idiot of myself on the mound” is a slightly different mental approach from “I just had a feeling I was going to make them all look stupid.”
…Wow, I like this Robertson kid.
Nice D-Rob hit that bastid.
Perez ids even making the pitchers work.
I think the Yankee travels of the last four days earned them the right to not be on top of their game today. If they’re not.
As V likes to say if you can’t understand that just leave! Or whatever he says.
Fredo – Well, Garza has a little bit in my mind. I don’t think he is that great. Jackson and Sonnanstine are doing about what you’d expect but I think they are both due some stinkers when teams see them a 2nd, 3rd, 4th time. But I’m mostly talking about the bullpen. Guys like Wheeler, Percival, etc, and a lot of their middle relievers.
“…Wow, I like this Robertson kid.”
Mrs. Rebecca Robertson has nice ring to it…
I’m not saying it’s ideal. I’m saying that it’s no reason to panic and get fleeced. Fortunately, Cashman has a longer memory than most of you.
THE TOP THREE PITCHERS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT. Why is this so hard to grasp?
That base-hit is a double, Reyes is going count on it.
“…Wow, I like this Robertson kid.
Mrs. Rebecca Robertson has nice ring to it…”
I think he might be married already hehe…not sure
This whole “kids thing” works if the kids are actually GOOD.
Ump is on the Mets payroll.
“Guys like Wheeler, Percival, etc, and a lot of their middle relievers.”
I’m trying hard to trade Percival from my FBB teams…he’s a “ticking time bomb” as the TB Closer.
“This whole “kids thing†works if the kids are actually GOOD.”
Well, he gave up a hit in his first ever major league appearance, obviously he sucks, and they should release him now, lol!
Ummm….
I didn’t mean it quite like that. Anyway, I’ve got a boyfriend. Not that you needed to know that.
““Guys like Wheeler, Percival, etc, and a lot of their middle relievers.â€
I’m trying hard to trade Percival from my FBB teams…he’s a “ticking time bomb†as the TB Closer.”
Ditto, hehe. Unfortunately, his saves this past week were all ‘eh’.
Look, if we manage to make the postseason, something we’ll have to do on the strength of our offense, we’ll most likely throw out a rotation of Wang, Pettitte, Mussina, and Chamberlain. I’m willing to take my chances with that.
Rasner did a fine job today. If we lose, it is not his fault.
Can I shoot the dude yelling “Lets Go Mets”? Please?
“THE TOP THREE PITCHERS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT. Why is this so hard to grasp?”
Completely forgetting that those championship teams won because they had 5 starters who were all star caliber and a shut down bullpen. But forget stuff like that. It’s been a long time.
You don’t win anything with Rasner starting 20+ games. You can’t punt two starts every 5 times.
Wow that’s pathetic. The Mets fans are so dumb that they have to play a clip of an annoying screaming guy yelling “Let’s go Mets” repeatedly for them to get the hint.
C’mon David.
VAMOS ESPAÑA! 1-0!
Game-over.
Another overrated yankees prospect. Great find, cashman.
And just because Robertson is a rookie doesn’t mean he can’t get a strike called. This is ridiculous. Perez was getting 3 inches inside to righties and Robertson can’t get anything. And the wild pitch costs us a run, but then, Molina should have blocked that also. Bad defense costs you every time.
“Completely forgetting that those championship teams won because they had 5 starters who were all star caliber and a shut down bullpen. But forget stuff like that. It’s been a long time.”
Um, no, they didn’t, which you would realize if you actually -read- his post. Unless 5.00 ERA = all star caliber.
“Completely forgetting that those championship teams won because they had 5 starters who were all star caliber and a shut down bullpen. But forget stuff like that. It’s been a long time.
You don’t win anything with Rasner starting 20+ games. You can’t punt two starts every 5 times.”
Are you blind? With the possible exception of 1998, our championship teams never had “5 starters who were all star caliber.” And yet they won. What a concept?
Well, 3-0, that might be it, with the Yankees having to deal with the Mets Ace today. This Johan Perez is just eating the Yankees up.
“Another overrated yankees prospect. Great find, cashman.”
Wow. You past 6th grade yet?
Your reasoning capabilities are lacking.
I dumped Troy Percival from my fantasy roster for Brandon Morrow as soon as Putz got injured. So far, the ERA and WHIP portions of the weekly head to head thank me profusely!
Cowbell Guy…is Shea in Mississippi?
Rasner pitched well and he can be a playoff pitcher.
You’ll all blame A-Rod, but what is he supposed to do when nobody is on in front of him most of the time. He had a great at bat with Jeter at 2nd base back in the 4th and almost hit a 2-R HR but got struck out on 9 pitches and now our best hitter once again leads off an inning. Maybe you should blame Jeter swinging at the first pitch and grounding out in front of him last inning instead of possibly taking some pitches and 2 on 2 out for A-Rod?
Robertson looks like all the other overrated prospects.
Someone Else – Stop baiting me into a flame war.
meh. arod comin up
all counting on JOBA for the postseason need to remember his innings.
“I dumped Troy Percival from my fantasy roster for Brandon Morrow as soon as Putz got injured. So far, the ERA and WHIP portions of the weekly head to head thank me profusely!”
Morrow is a STUD but his “back problems” and SEA not getting enough Sv chances have me “crossing my fingers” with Percival & Fuentes on a few teams.
“Wow. You past 6th grade yet?
Your reasoning capabilities are lacking.”
Go away, troll.
Yes, go Spain. I saw Torres score a goal for Atletico Madrid the one time I saw a game live in Spain. Big fun. i wish he didn’t play for Liverpool now.
That’s not a good outing from Rasner. Some of you are fooling yourselves. 5IP 8 hits and 3 BB agains a non-DH lineup is horrible.
He was lucky to not give up 4 or 5 runs.
If I am the Yanks I am focusing on the Texas Rangers Perez has been walking on water today.
I hope Girardi is ready to pinch hit for the garbage in the lineup like Melky Cabrera this inning if it gets there.
“Someone Else – Stop baiting me into a flame war.”
You’re calling someone an ‘overrated prospect’ after a grand total of 1 inning pitched.
I honestly have to doubt your ability to think.
“Rasner pitched well and he can be a playoff pitcher.”
Agree 100%, New & Improved V…
Because 5’10 relievers all succeed!
the kid was overthrowing his curveball… not unusual for a guy in his big league debut. His fastball moves well and was consistently 91-92… betcha his curve is better in the next inning… give him a chance
This rush to judgement mentality is really weak
Sigh, of course every line drive we hit is either foul or an atom ball!
Irresponsible move by Joe to bring the kid in during this kind of game. Not pleased with that.
Robertson is another overrated yankees prospect. I didn’t see anything special from him at all. Reminds me of TJ Beam.
Where’s the devastating cut fastball and curveball? I saw a straight 91 fastball and he couldnt even throw the curve near the strike zone. Maybe it’s nerves, or maybe hes scared of big crowds like kennedy.
“Someone Else – Stop baiting me into a flame war.”
Stop making impulsive and uninformed posts then.
annnnnnnnnnndddddd……another pop up for arod, he has got to lead the league in pop outs
“You’re calling someone an ‘overrated prospect’ after a grand total of 1 inning pitched.
I honestly have to doubt your ability to think.”
Just troll someplace else.
If the Yankees lose this game it will because of the hitters, not the pitching. Although somehow one gets the feeling that if Perez faced either the Red Sox or the Rays or just about any other AL team he’d get shelled and be out by the third inning lol. But it’s not over yet . . .
Hmmm TBS is talking about a Hawaiian catcher named Sardhina just getting his first ML hit for the Tigers…any relation to Bronson Sardhina?
arod has to be leading the league in infield pop-ups
When you start your entire bench against a guy who is wild and has no confidence, you are going to lose every time. To let a guy get through 7 without expending much effort and letting them go right to the set up and closer is embarrassing. You can’t rest half your lineup on one day! Sit them one or two at a time not three or four!
all counting on JOBA for the postseason need to remember his innings.
I doubt we’re going to the playoffs.
You can’t bash the super duper Yankee prospects here. Everyone here thinks they will all become Sandy Koufax.
A lot of warning track shots. Ugh.
BRB….Thats Bronson Sardinha’s brother named Dane
“Robertson is another overrated yankees prospect. I didn’t see anything special from him at all. Reminds me of TJ Beam.
Where’s the devastating cut fastball and curveball? I saw a straight 91 fastball and he couldnt even throw the curve near the strike zone. Maybe it’s nerves, or maybe hes scared of big crowds like kennedy.”
You can tell this all after a grand total of 1 inning? ONE inning?
Man, what are you, an uber professional scout?
He was overthrowing his curve. His fastball had good cut action on it.
Rockies, trade us Fuentes for Igawa & Hawkins your season is DONE.
Too many warning track HRs today.
And those two at bats there were disgraceful. DISGRACEFUL. You’re down THREE RUNS. WHY ARE YOU SWINGING FOR THE FENCES? TAKE SOME PITCHES AND TRY TO GET ON BASE. 2 hits, 0 BB, that’s NOT GOING TO GET IT DONE.
OLIVER PEREZ IS WILD. HE HAS WALKED OVER 50 GUYS IN 80 INNINGS. NO WALKS IS PATHETIC.
This Yankee team is not going to the playoffs. The rotation is way behind the Sox and the Rays and even the A’s.
How many warning track balls have there been today I wanna punch something. Hopefully we get a Wagner melt-down thats the only way we win today.
I can’t stand how when another team brings up a rookie and he is making his major league debut against the Yanks 99% of the time he pitches a 1,2,3 innigns. When the yanks do it then never get people out. That was a big run to give up. Mets stink against everyone one else except the Yanks. Perez will be in the bullpen in 2 weeks and Delgado will go back into retirement after this game. Pathetic…
yankees stink. They’re making perez look like randy johnson. Lame.
The Yankee bench should never play. Let alone in a game vs the Mets.
Perez needs to be worked. They needed the A team in.
YES!
Thank you Betemit. Somebody learned how to hit a fastball it seems.
And Betemit goes VERY yard.
That REALLY makes me happy since Bet has taken so much crap here.
Matt, please stop whining. You’re acting like a child.
Boom goes the Bete-mite!
Good grief! Bernie Mac hits it out!!!
See how big the run was that Robertson gave to them….
WILSON!!!
Roberston is a future closer.
FINALLY…BEATAMENT is definitely an “all or nothing” hitter…LOL
There’s a warning track shot. Warning track of the other stadium.
Wow, those bench scrubs are totally horrible!
“Morrow is a STUD but his “back problems†and SEA not getting enough Sv chances have me “crossing my fingers†with Percival & Fuentes on a few teams.”
Yeah, that’s true. I’m willing to take a few less saves in exchange for the improved ERA, WHIP and K’s (especially since my no 3 closer is StL’s Ryan Franklin, who is just as Farnsworthian/Todd Jonesian as his predecessor Isringhausen) but it is killer when they hold him out with back spasms!
Wow…I Want my WB!!! Finally a run, now we’re a bloop and a blast from tying it up!
Wilson hit that from the right side?
I love how Girardi basically throws winnable games away.
Why would you let Melky hit here instead of Abreu? You can get a guy up who has a high OBP when the tying run is one baserunner away. I don’t get it. If you won’t pinch hit now when will you? Melky is hitting UNDER .200 against LHP.
ok – well done Melky
And the true value of Reyes appears. What a waste of talent.
Please please please PH Moeller here!
What a shot by Betemit!
Melky gets a double! (ha ha)
The meltdown hath arriveth!
“Rockies, trade us Fuentes for Igawa & Hawkins”
Throw in some of whatever you’re smoking and we’ll consider it.
Get Perez outta here please!!!!
Betemit should be playing 2b everyday.
To label Robertson as “overrated” at this point is beyond laughable. It means you are a clown. Hop back into that tiny car and make me a balloon poodle…..
LMFAO at “Bernie Mac.”
Maybe Reyes just needs a hug.
What the hell is Reyes doing? That is just awful.
Should PH Giambi now and put him at 1B and move Posada back behind the plate.
C’mon Molina
OMG!
It only take 20 outs before they got to Perez!
Auto-out Molina is up we’ll get em next time.
Reyes showing up Delgado . . . not cool at all.
looks like Reyes needs a diaper change
That is how bad Ramirez and Ohlendorf and Hawkins were.
They throw this kid right into the fire.
“Throw in some of whatever you’re smoking and we’ll consider it.”
LOL..Gainesville Green, my friend…Molina is a HORRIBLE hitter.
Another useless at bat by Molina…
Okay, two runs, game’s far from over, especially with the top of the order up next inning.
Just need some good pen work–please no Hawkins!
Molina has been awful at the plate today. As the tying run and with a RISP, it doesn’t make sense to leave him up in the biggest spot in the game thus far with 3 good bats on the bench. And as predicted, he does nothing. What a terrible non-move by Giradi.
You’d think he’d at least take 1 shot at winning this game with the tying run at the plate instead of pinch hitting Giambi with possibly nobody on in the 8th?
Ok, time to get to the Mets’ bullpen. Down 2 runs with 2 to go, that’s definitely doable.
i probably would have pinch hit for molina there
Molina couldn’t get on base if I put a donut on the bag.
Reyes needs to grow up. That’s bush league right there.
We’re within two. It’s not over yet.
With a 3rd catcher on the roster, it’s really almost inexcusable to not PH for Molina there. Especially with Moeller’s numbers vs Perez. Bad, bad, bad managerial decision there.
Hi guys! I’m a baby troll! I love Girardi! I want to have his babies!!!!
Woo!
Shutout gone!
But, alas, still a loss
What the Hell? MOELLER PINCH-HIT YOU MORONS!
“We’re within two. It’s not over yet.”
It is over if Perez starts the 7th which he will.
Neon you have a short memory. For quite a while Molina was one of the only ones getting on base and was a doubles machine.
The 8th*.
“i probably would have pinch hit for molina there”
Way to 2nd guess.
A series of unfortunate moves today isn’t it? Just a poorly managed game and it cost them right there.
Instead of pinch hitting with one of the legit bats, he pinch hit for Rasner with Moeller, and despite almost hitting it out, now he has no catchers on his bench.
So now, when he realizes it’s time to pinch hit for Molina, he panics knowing he has no catchers and doesn’t pull the right move, despite Posada being at 1B and a 1B being on the bench to pinch hit with. Heck, he could have pinch hit with Cano even and moved Betemit to 1st.
Jose Rey”ass” – get the pacifier and suck it up. Your bad throw not Delgado gave you the error.
Moeller had already pinch hit for Rasner.
Ollie vs. the Yanks = sheer dominance:
5/18/07: 7.2 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 5 K (W)
6/15/07: 7.1 IP, 5 H, 0 ER, 3 BB, 6 K (W)
5/18/08: 7.2 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 4 K (W)
6/29/08: 7.0 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 8 K
TOTAL: 29.2 IP, 16 H, 5 ER, 7 BB, 23 K.
“Neon you have a short memory. For quite a while Molina was one of the only ones getting on base and was a doubles machine.”
He had 5 hits in April. Let’s put him as the regular catcher. Check the stats.
glad he gets another inning
BBB-
Moeller hit a “warning track” HR already today in a PH appearance…but why not Matt’s Giambi / Posada switch?
And especially after Melky got that huge break from Reyes being non-chalant, you have to take advantage. You have to make them pay for defensive mistakes especially with a tiring starter who has been getting crushed the last few innings. Leaving Molina in there is pretty much conceding the game, and with 3 all stars on the bench, it makes no sense to not at least try.
Matt – I’m -sure- Girardi forgot he had Posada at 1st. Totally positive.
Wow, read what you’re writing! You look idiotic.
C’mon Robertson bring down that ERA to 4.500
Girardi has not impressed as a manager.
Billy Martin he isn’t.
Posada’s throws yesterday were terrible. His shoulder is not fully healed. Girardi is playing with the rest of the season in mind.
the kids are blogging today.
you guys are clowns….yeah hit abreu for Melky because he has such good numbers against perez. he is hitting 000, but keep on spouting your stupidity.
again they are not winning every game..
the was strike 3 to Delgadao, just because the player winces does not mean it is a strike..
Where was that curveball to Delgado? WOW.
Girardi has done an average job at best managing this team.
No balls are getting out of the park except for Betemits dinger.
There is no Super Fan quite like Ron.
I mean anyone that can defend Rasner, Giese, Girardi, and Igawa deserves a clap.
Not having our lefties in the line-up is truly crippling Perez needs to GTFO already.
“the kids are blogging today.
you guys are clowns….yeah hit abreu for Melky because he has such good numbers against perez. he is hitting 000, but keep on spouting your stupidity.
again they are not winning every game..
the was strike 3 to Delgadao, just because the player winces does not mean it is a strike..”
Totally agreed.
I beginning to believe the media about Yankee fans being dumb.
Everyone unless I don’t know the NL rules, all three of our catchers have been in the game. You can’t pull Molina because then there’s no catcher. Unless you put Jorge behind the dish etc etc etc.
When did I defend Igawa?
Just curious.
How do you figure. the team is 7 games over .500. would you rather have torre here? his team is 4 games under .500. He has finally blown out Proctors arm. Joe spreads it around.
That is how bad the pen is.
Robertson is in there in a close game.
ok – so don’t give that run back here
Big DP there.
“No balls are getting out of the park except for Betemits dinger.”
Still 2 innings to go, troll.
Betemit’s been solid at 2B today, and Posada at 1B. that surprises me, but I’ll take it.
PL – The statistics you posted show just how dominant Perez is over the Yanks. In May when Giambi, Cano, and Abreu were in the line-up the Yanks still only had 3 hits vs. Perez. It just amazes me how he dominates the Yanks (and no other team)
I was so happy to see Girardi come and Torre go, but really the only improvement he’s been over Torre has been in managing the pen. In terms of position player moves, he’s been possibly even worse than Torre so far.
Yup. So terrible. I mean, they are 36-1 when leading after 6 innings. 36-1! They should be at least 40- -10! Inexcusable! Fire Cashman!
Whoops, how did I miss Moeller PH’ing? Oh well…yeah, the Giambi/Posada switch would have worked out just fine too. I mean I know Jose is good with men on, but when you have a hitter like the ‘stache on the bench, I go to him. Especially considering what a good eye he has and it would have been very Perez-like to unravel and lose the strike zone after that HR….had he been facing a punishing hitter that could work him like Giambi could.
“That is how bad the pen is.
Robertson is in there in a close game.”
He did the job didn’t he? Go away.
Anyone want to hazard a guess on who pinch-hits?
I’m guessing Abreu. But I might pinch-hit Cano b/c I don’t mind losing him b/c Betemit can pinch-hit. And I’d much rather keep Betemit than Christian in the game.
One more run in the 8th and we win it off of Wagner in the 9th…
wow Some people need to think before they post. He is trying to get the kid some work.
yeah our pen is AWFUL! 36-1 when leading after 6. AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL!!
“How do you figure. the team is 7 games over .500. would you rather have torre here?”
Yes because under Torre this team played something like .700 ball during the second half last year.
He also rested his players when they were slumping not when they’re starting to heat up.
And to you guys making the typical excuse of “they can’t win every game,” this game is hardly over. It’s a 2 run game with the tying run at the plate last inning. To say he’s sacrificing the game for the season is ridiculous. You don’t just give away games in June.
If they’re down 5 runs you leave them on the bench, but as the tying run you have to at least take one shot at winning the game, especially when you’re 5 games out of first and equally so out of the wild card.
When you’re in first place by 10 games, you can afford to give away games by sitting half your lineup to rest them. You can’t do that as much when you’re many games out of both races .
ding dong the wicked Perez is gone.
Now let’s make hay!
Cashman, why couldn’t you have grabbed this guy! Why aren’t you a psychic?!
“One more run in the 8th and we win it off of Wagner in the 9th…”
I like where your heads at.
And where is Abreu pinch hitting for the right fielder with the tying run on deck and him having a good OBP?
Not to mention that under Torre we were in the Postseason every year and in the World Series half that time.
*Robertson in close games against the heart of the Mets lineup.
*Kei Igawa pitched yesterday.
*Rasner needed over 100 pitches in 5 innings
*Betemit,Christian,Melky,Molina all at the same time in the lineup.
Is this AAA or AAAA team.I’m sorry I didn’t know you get these guys with $200 million.
I thought Robertson acquitted himself fairly well. It was his debut. One should expect nerves to impair his performance.
He is human after all.
“Cue Shot” is pathetic for a MLB hitter…
BBB,
Yes, there are 3 Sardinha brothers in baseball. One just got called up for the Tigers.
I am beyond sick of Justin Christian…. This guy should only be a pinch runner at best… I’ve never seen anybody down 0-2 in more counts beside maybe Abreu
Why shouldn’t they win every game?
I am somewhat surprised that Christian is hitting here, for the record. I’d rather see Abreu.
He also used Farnsworth the right way.
5 games in 60 hours. enough said!
I’m giving myself the finger.
“Not to mention that under Torre we were in the Postseason every year and in the World Series half that time.”
Torre isn’t here anymore. Go away, troll.
Christian looks lost.
Abreu vs. LHP- .316
Giambi vs. LHP- .260 6 HR
Cano vs. LHP- .281
Christian??
Good thing the way more productive Gardner is at Scranton!
Has a team ever gone 162-0? Some on here really need to grow up.
Girardi’s bullpen management is significantly better than Torre’s. You think we would see Veras pitching in big spots to a 3 ERA if Torre were still the manager? Hell to the no, we all know full well Hawkins would pitch in those situations.
I’m unimpressed with Girardi’s in game moves but Torre’s weren’t any better. They just made different dumb in-game decisions.
Wow. A team with an actual lefty in the bullpen.
How shocking!
“5 games in 60 hours. enough said!”
We understand that…but is it really too much for a guy making $10M+ to PH and play an inning (Abreu for Christ)
And, now we PH our HR guy with the bases empty…
Here’s Giambi…and he makes out.
That was disappointing.
Nice first pitch swinging idiot shave the stache you failed.
225 mill+ doesn’t buy what it used to.
Good thing we didn’t trade for Santana and add some bullpen arms.
Is it really that hard to take a pitch?
Not to mention that under Torre we were in the Postseason every year and in the World Series half that time.
I guess that’s one of those nature vs. nurture arguments since Torre’s current team is playing under 500. So was it the players or was it his managing?
Joe should have pinch hit (ok giambi just popped out) cano because you can save giambi for say betemits spot in the 9th if men are on. there is no point in putting giambi up there now, wait til there are men on base. bad move, and he got out to add onto that
If Christian can’t hit a pitch like that out of the ballpark…
He’s shown absolutely nothing to prove he deserves to ever start a game over any other outfielder on this roster whether a tough lefty is pitching or not. He has no power and can’t even get a bunt down to try to beat it out. He’s like Corey Patterson without the power.
And Giradi blew it again. Pinch hit with Giambi in the wrong spot once again with nobody on. HEY WAKE UP. IF YOU USE THE GUY WITH POWER WITH THE TYING RUN AT THE PLATE MAYBE YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO TIE?
Matt…. I think Joe is giving most of them almost a full day off…. They don’t seem to concerned with this game and seem content with 2 of 3… I think they are gearing up for the upcoming Texas ( which is huge with Boston and Tampa facing off), Boston and Tampa series
Girardi couldn’t push the right button if it was bright red, flashing, and in front of his nose.
“Has a team ever gone 162-0? Some on here really need to grow up.”
Why can’t they? They are the Yankees. Go away already.
“Has a team ever gone 162-0? Some on here really need to grow up.”
No, but a win against a mediocre pitcher would be nice.
Tyler good patience with Christian. after all he has had 12 AB’s..
really are you joking or you that stupid????
I doubt Chrisitan is much but 12 AB’S EVEN FOR MORON YANKEE FANS THAT IS NOT A BIG ENOUGH SAMPLE..
Robertson did just fine, his 1st game, nerves etc…
“Girardi’s bullpen management is significantly better than Torre’s. You think we would see Veras pitching in big spots to a 3 ERA if Torre were still the manager? Hell to the no, we all know full well Hawkins would pitch in those situations.
I’m unimpressed with Girardi’s in game moves but Torre’s weren’t any better. They just made different dumb in-game decisions.”
At least Torre would go with the hot hand. It doesn’t seem to matter with Girardi, everyones role is defined.
Jennifer-
IMO, when you have multiple teams ahead of you in the standings you cannnot “give away games”…and some of the moves today have been ???
Torre had 5 great starters every season.
Girardi has a rookie, Andy, and Mussina who will come back to earth soon.
He should thank Cashman for all the help.
Always good to throw away games to the Mets.
Considering we threw 2 of them away this weekend, fantastic.
The difference between Torre and Girardi is that Girardi is young enough to learn from his mistakes and improve his managerial style. Torre, a veteran, had his way of doing things, and hasn’t changed for years. As a veteran manager, that’s neither really awful nor unexpected. But Girardi has a chance to grow with this team. That’s why I wanted him over Torre.
Abreu was hitting a hot bat why not put him in the lineup.You telling me Christian even a righty is gonna hit better then Abreu.
Edwar is warming up.The Yankees are giving up games at this point.You know we were only two games away from winning the division last year.A trade must happen.
This team is just fun to see the differant ways they can lose a game.With a differant line-up each time.
I don’t think it is such a bad thing to hold back Abreu for a possible PH vs Wagner. Remember he knows him and his stuff better than probably anyone else on either team. But I definitely would have PH Giambi for Molina back in the 7th. I really hope that doesnt turn out to be the only opportunity we had to win this game.
Torre had 5 great starters every season.
are you kidding me. there is no way over the past 4 years any yankee starter can be decribed as “great” I would actually describe them as scrubs
Torre had five great starters every season? Funny, I must have forgot them all from the past 7 years.
Tampa is winning. Boston has Beckett on the mound against a weak Houston team. You think this is a game you can just afford to throw away?
They’ve already thrown away the alloted amount of games this year that they are allowed to give away. They’ve lost games in which they’ve had bases loaded no outs and been shutout. It’s too late now. You dug yourself a hole by playing lazy, unfocused baseball in April and May and now you are in a position where you’re going to lose ground for “days off” in the middle of June despite it being a 2 run ballgame and very winnable.
Stuart…. I’ve followed this guy through spring training and the minors…. He is pinch runner material thats why they brought him up instead of Gardner because they wanted to give Gardner regular at bats… Christian will never be able to hit in the major leagues…. Hes had a few solid surprising games but the fact is that his future is a pinch runner/ defensive replacement
Stuart…. I’ve followed this guy through spring training and the minors…. He is pinch runner material thats why they brought him up instead of Gardner because they wanted to give Gardner regular at bats… Christian will never be able to hit in the major leagues…. Hes had a few solid surprising games but the fact is that his future is a pinch runner/ defensive replacement
I’m glad Joe Girardi gave up on this game before we even started playing.
“Torre had 5 great starters every season.
Girardi has a rookie, Andy, and Mussina who will come back to earth soon.
He should thank Cashman for all the help.”
This sums up the opinion of every clueless Yankees fan on the planet.
“Has a team ever gone 162-0? Some on here really need to grow up.â€
“Why can’t they? They are the Yankees. Go away already.”
New & Improved V is da man…LOL
MAtt… I agree but I’m just telling you how I see they are playing this… It doesnt look like they are to into it or care that much about the outcome but thats just me.
here comes edwar?!?!? balls for everyone!!!
Mets WILL make the playoffs, and yankees won’t.
Let’s see.
the Super Fans here think every prospect is going to be an All Star.
They think that Rasner is a good major league starter.
They think Girardi has made good moves all year.
And they don’t mind throwing away games because hey, you can’t win em all.
Edwar needs a strong outing here.
“At least Torre would go with the hot hand. ”
Yeah, he did always go with the hot hand…but sometimes that was more to our detriment than our benefit when he would play the hot hand with a 7 run lead or deficit, as he often did.
Just based on the emergence of Veras alone I am more than happy to have Girardi making the calls with the pen now. Torre never thought much of him and it was obvious that was not gonna change.
“The difference between Torre and Girardi is that Girardi is young enough to learn from his mistakes and improve his managerial style. Torre, a veteran, had his way of doing things, and hasn’t changed for years. As a veteran manager, that’s neither really awful nor unexpected. But Girardi has a chance to grow with this team. That’s why I wanted him over Torre.”
Great point.
“This sums up the opinion of every clueless Yankees fan on the planet.”
It’s true. The 5th starter in 98 was El Duque. Here it’s Dan Giese?
You are clueless Ron.
I see Met trolls are in the house. Dont get comfortable, you still have mister blown save himself coming in next inning
Wagner warming..waiting for a serious melt-down fingers crossed!
“I’m glad Joe Girardi gave up on this game before we even started playing.”
So don’t watch.
“Girardi is young enough to learn from his mistakes and improve his managerial style. Torre, a veteran, had his way of doing things, and hasn’t changed for years. As a veteran manager, that’s neither really awful nor unexpected. But Girardi has a chance to grow with this team. That’s why I wanted him over Torre.”
Good point. I completely agree. It’s very obvious that he learned from the mistakes he made in Florida and he will continue to do so here.
Torre did this a few times too against the Red Sox once a few years back. You can’t run a lineup like this on the field against a rival team, EVER. The Mets played their entire lineup today and we played our entire bench.
Tomorrow we’ll be home and you can DH some guys to stagger the days off even. Now we bench them all at the same time and let mediocre pitchers dominate our lineup.
Melky, Molina, Christian, Pitcher
You won’t anyone running a lineup like that out.
You can sit Giambi or Cano and play Betemit, but to sit important pieces of the lineup like Abreu AND Giambi at the SAME time is just giving away a game.
And 5 games out in the standings is not when you GIVE AWAY A GAME .
““This sums up the opinion of every clueless Yankees fan on the planet.â€
It’s true. The 5th starter in 98 was El Duque. Here it’s Dan Giese?
You are clueless Ron.”
Anything unusual about 1998? It’s also worth nothing that Hideki Irabu was the No. 5 that year, but you’ve probably forgotten all about that.
Well that is the game. Hopefully the Yankees won’t make the Rangers lineup look like a bunch of Cy Youngs as they did Perez.
This season keeps getting longer and longer.
Im loving the Reyes hissy fit . Sportscenter highlight worthy
Houstons up 2-1
“Mets WILL make the playoffs, and yankees won’t.”
Trolls never cease to amaze me. They just might that is how much the NL sucks a .500 team is a serious contender…LOL.
No on Bonds. We need a righty bat! Go get guys like: Durham, Guillen, Holliday, Bay, Nady, or even Millar. Trade Melky and bring up Gardner. Damon becomes CF wit Gardner or Durham as back up. We need another righty bat since mediocre lefties are killing us. Any garbage lefty can contain this lineup.
Ron, you like Rasner and Giese in the rotation.
There is no talking to idiots like you.
“Yeah, he did always go with the hot hand…but sometimes that was more to our detriment than our benefit when he would play the hot hand with a 7 run lead or deficit, as he often did.
Just based on the emergence of Veras alone I am more than happy to have Girardi making the calls with the pen now. Torre never thought much of him and it was obvious that was not gonna change.”
So you’re comfortable with Farnsworth in 8th? Torre had no faith in him either.
Houston up on the Boston Ace 2-1. Baseball is funny.
Isnt Arizona .500 and still in first? Thats pathetic. The Yankees are what, 3 games ahead of the Mets even with this loss?
Somebody said earlier that Arod must lead the league in popups….. Well, Jose Reyes must be on his tail then because I’ve never seen somebody pop more than Jose Reyes which is funny because with his speed you think he would just beat it into the ground
Tampa takes the lead 4-2… :>(
Hou takes a slight lead 2-1… :>)
Nice job by Edwar. Glad he bounced back from his outing on Friday.
I’m sure Rasner loved the Double A lineup Girardi put out there.
Reyes is garbage thats why
“Im loving the Reyes hissy fit . Sportscenter highlight worthy”
Definitely sportscenter worthy. That is why Reyes will never lead this club in the way that Jeter does he is immature and a hot-shot to boot. A 20 something year old guy should never show up a professional veteran like Delgado.
Jeter gets on. A-Rod pops up.
Reyes is garbage as a player and a person
YUCK, the dumbazzes on TBS just said, “Enter Sandman, Billy Wagner”….omg ewwwwwww!!! What a disgrace!!!! I don’t know which one of them said it but whoever did should have his tongue cut off. NOW.
I don’t like Giese. When did I say I did? It would have been nice if he inherited Small’s pixie dust, but that didn’t happen. On the other hand, I think Ponson has a chance not to be absolutely horrible, even if a 3.50 ERA is well beyond him.
Giese is a fill-in starter. Ponson’s good outing knocked him out of the rotation. He’ll be in Scranton before long. So stop talking about him.
Oh Gaud!
the TBS announcer just said “enter sandman” referring to billy wagner,
Okay, I’m soliciting the opinion of all of you, except Matt of course.
My friend and I were arguing last night about the merits of CC Sabathia.
In the course of contending that the Yankees shouldn’t worry about signing CC to a long-term contract I argued as follows:
“Black athletes/pitchers are more durable than white athletes/pitchers.”
First, is it true?
Secondly, is it racist or rather, a racialist assumption?
Well Wagner vs any other team I’d say not a sure bet, but vs this lineup right now w/ the inability to hit w/ RISP lights out today.
BTW Micheal Bowden surrendered a 2 run shot off of Edwar Gonzalez’s bat in the 6th inning.
Reyes will NEVER be half the person, leader, or player Jeter was is or will be.
OMFG SAY SANDMAN ONE MORE TIME PUNK, I DARE YOU….
Someone had a great take on Xavier Nady…with Matsui on the DL (out for how long with chronic knee damage?)…I’m hopping on the X-Man to Bronx Train, baby.
Nooooooooooooooo!
he just did it AGAIN!
he called wagner “sandman” again!!
Been watching on and off. I find it curious that Girardi said he was going to start Robertson off in low-pressure situations, then brought him in for two in the sixth inning of a 2-1 game. the fact that it looks like Robertson gave the Yanks the type of ho-hum outing a lot of the guys on the bullpen seem to give is Giradi almost getting what he deserved there.
2 runs in 5 innings for Rasner? sounds like a #5 starter to me. he stays in the rotation. we should be up 13-3 with the lineup we supposedly have.
someone turn that song off when Wagner come in. they can’t tear down Shea soon enough.
“Ron, you like Rasner and Giese in the rotation.
There is no talking to idiots like you.”
Of course us Yanks fans dont like that but we must deal with it. Look at Wagner stealing Mo’s song what a loser.
Would love to see Wagner choke here. Oh well, a wish is a wish.
Kill-Schilling: yes, i’d call it baseless and sorta, kinda rascist.
Glad Jeters leading off…. If anybody can get a rally started I would think its him
Good afternoon, all!
This is where we win!
GO YANKS!
Here we go boys
Hit a bomb please
Baserunners boys, baserunners…JETES, El Capitan…I salute you!
Keep chewing that tobacco, it will fall out from this Abomb
Torre turned Quantrilled, Proctored, Sturtzed, and Gordoned into verbs with his abuse of pitchers. His greatest failing was his push-button management style that gave veterans repeated chances and dismissed kids when they had one bad outing.
He also had a weird propensity to trust garbage like C.J. Nitkowski, Wayne Franklin, the immortal Tanyon Sturtze, and TJ Beam.
Billy Wagner has come unstuck in time
Called that
He was stealing that base anyway
Work the count!!!!
Alex needs to get a hit here
“I’m hopping on the X-Man to Bronx Train, baby.”
Woohoo, another “get Nady” person…all aboard the X train!
Sum of a blitch.
Damnit, A-Rod JUST missed it.
A-Rod again.
Wagner Meltdown..Just Missed It…DANG
A-FRAUD.
Dammit, how did he miss that? That was tagged.
ugh. I loathe this ballpark. Where HR’s go to die….
GAME OVER
Thought we had it there…
Just missed getting that one
Come on posada
One run at a time…
Come on Jorge. Just shoot it to the outfield. Not cauaght of course.
Wagner looks to be throwing STRAIGHT Farnsworthian FBs…huge bomb a coming?
Shea stadum is a dump. A-Rod’s ball is a home run in any other ballpark in the big leagues.
Hes keeping it up on our hitters, we have to capitalize
I would love to have Xavier Nady on the Yankees. It would be good to have a Cal Bear around to counteract Mussina’s dark Stanfurd influence.
Warning track disappointment once again.
Now its over. Blow shea up, nothing else exciting is going to happen here
FB Hitter…
I hate when pitchers get off the hook when they don’t deserve it. Perez should have been crushed and A-Rod’s ball is a home run any other day in any other ballpark. In Yankee Stadium, that is EASILY a game tying home run. What a joke.
Hell, why not let him hit? He’s had great ABs all game.
he is going to K wilson on a slider down and in to end the game
and Boston’s coming back
great job whorege
As Michael Kay said, the Mets are DESPERATE for a split.
This is your rival team.
They are DESPERATE.
Don’t sit 3 of your best hitters.
We gonna get a rush of Met trolls?
C’mon WILSON
Ugly Curve…Mets just won their WS…
that arod swing got me all excited. disappointing loss but i think everyone saw it coming and hey at least i won money
oh by the way slider down and in to end it. I AM SMART
GAME OVER! CASHMAN SUCKS!
Well, given the pitching rotation, I’ll take a split of the series.
Let’s see some offense against the Rangers, OK?
Gotta hope that Houston holds on….I didn’t think that with today’s lineup, we could avoid this kind of “offensive” offense…Oh, well…tomorrow is another day….
Look at the sister kissing white trash in the stands celebrating like they just won the WS. losers.
I hope Billy Wagner dies of syphilis.
Another useless game by the useless overpaid lineup.
Mets had their A lineup everygame. We had ours what twice of 4 games?
Here’s what I totally don’t understand. Do you expect lightning in a bottle twice in a day? Why send up Bet when you have others on the bench. No offense to Bet. Unless of course he has filthy numbers against Wagner.
Oh well now hope for Sox and Rays to take the pipe today.
Wow, what a disrepectful player. Reyes has his jersey untucked walking off the field
“Look at the sister kissing white trash in the stands celebrating like they just won the WS. losers.
I hope Billy Wagner dies of syphilis.”
We got some real class acts here posting.
Well that sums up the Yankees season.
Weak hitting when it counts. Making a sub par pitcher look stellar. Poor managieral decisions from the Savior Girardi.
Guess that is what building from within produces at a cost of $200 million.
At least Spain is winning.
Well, the Yankees took 2 games from the NY Mets and the Mets took 2 games from Scranton pitching on Thursday and a half Scranton lineup todya. I have yet to criticize Girardi so far this season (81 games in), but this one’s on his shoulders. How the hell is Betemit our last guy at-bat when we still have Abreu and Cano on the bench?
A-Rod hasn’t got a clutch hit all season.
Face it. He peaked in his contract year.
Ron. Yep. A split isn’t bad. So we beat Santana.
Should have Don Mattingly manning the team.
Great idea to let Betemit face Wagner. It’s not like Abreu has good numbers against him or anything like that;
Well, we can’t go 162-0
You got to love the AAA lineup and pitching we send out there against the Mets.
The problem is what it has always been hitting w/ RISP 0 outs, 1 out , 2 out, hitting w/ RISP.
how weird is that – down 2-1, runners on 1 and 3 with 2 outs in the 6th and they let Beckett hit.
“We got some real class acts here posting.”
Got some real class acts on the Mutts too.
Would it make you feel better if I said I hoped ALL whiny racist punks die of syphilis, not just Wagner? Fortunately for him I guess he closed it out today just in time to make his Klan meeting…
Reyes would be fined and probably traded if he acted immature like that with the Yankees.
Yankee fans count your blessings instead of acting like Red Soxs fans all the time. We actually might have a real starter in Ponson.
Things are looking up.
Perfectly said from RAB:
So wait, that’s really it? Let me get this straight: you’re sitting three very good lefty batters in Abreu, Giambi and a surging Robbie Cano against a mediocre southpaw in Oliver Perez, but you started them against a premium lefty in Johan Santana yesterday after they played 3 games in 3 different stadiums in a span of 48 hours. Okay cool, that makes sense.
Guys, I really think this is all Girardis fault. He calls the shots, he’s the one to blame when his players don’t perform they way they probably could.
Wagner is extremely racist. Why else would he continuosly call out his teamates (who happen to be spanish)
“Got some real class acts on the Mutts too.
Would it make you feel better if I said I hoped ALL whiny racist punks die of syphilis, not just Wagner? Fortunately for him I guess he closed it out today just in time to make his Klan meeting…”
Great defense of you being a classless jerk. Makes us all proud to wear the Yankee hat.
“Yankee fans count your blessings instead of acting like Red Soxs fans all the time. We actually might have a real starter in Ponson.
Things are looking up.”
JUST LIKE THE RED SOX THINKING THEY HAD A STARTER IN COLON?
Should have Don Mattingly manning the team.
Your kidding me right ? … They are 44-38 as of now. We split this series w/ one of the worse SP combos known in a 4 game series w/ Ponson,Rasner and Giese. Donnie Baseball I love him but he seriously wouldn’t have been the right guy for this job.
Well, given that the Red Sox’s pen is a lot worse than ours, it’s not that surprising.
yeah, everyone cheer up. we have sidney ponson. *fireworks*
I hate Shea Stadium, Arod could have had two hrs in any other park. I thought Jeter had some decent at bats also,that’s about it.
“The problem is what it has always been hitting w/ RISP 0 outs, 1 out , 2 out, hitting w/ RISP.”
The problem is starting mutts like Rasner and Giese.
“How the hell is Betemit our last guy at-bat when we still have Abreu and Cano on the bench?”
Listen, they played 4 games in 60 hours…and are only paid $MILLIONS$ to be available to play 3 in 60 hrs, plus they only have the best training / massage / therapy known to man.
So, you can’t expect a PH appearance or inning in the field when they’ve played 4, no wait, 3 games in 60 hrs…also, remember we can’t go 162-0.
“Well, given the pitching rotation, I’ll take a split of the series.
Let’s see some offense against the Rangers, OK?”
I second that. With the starters the Yanks had going in I was wondering if they would even get a split.
Its a joke. But I do believe Mattingly would have put a real lineup out there today.
Wesley Wright blows away the midget.
GREAT job by the Stros reliever to get Pedroia to strike out with the bases loaded.
“Guys, I really think this is all Girardis fault. He calls the shots, he’s the one to blame when his players don’t perform they way they probably could.”
Just leave, troll.
“Great defense of you being a classless jerk.”
Don’t worry, it pales in comparison to your defense of Wagner’s blatant racism.
Arod just missed 2 Hr
I thought the days of edwar ramirez pitching good in the majors were over. Its nice to see edwar shutting up all those yankee fans that don’t want edwar in the bullpen.
This loss was disgraceful. It’s one thing to lose with your best lineup. It’s another thing to lose when half of your best lineup is sitting on the bench.
The “learning on the job” attitude doesn’t work good on this team.
yeah, everyone cheer up. we have sidney ponson. *fireworks*
Uh with the screenname “farnsworthy” wouldn’t this be like the pot calling the kettle very very black???
We should face the truth.
We aren’t a good ballclub.
This team wasn’t built to win this year and we are all seeing why.
Why sit Abreu, Cano, and Giambi at the same time? We have no Matsui and Rasner has to bat…
I don’t get it…I know people need a day off, and I haven’t checked the stats against Perez-I know he’s a lefty, but still…
Can someone make a cogent argument for today’s lineup?
what happened to everyone thinking the Yankees were going to lose all 4? `
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OK, sorry for my rant…just hate losing to the Mets and having our best players on the bench because they’re tired.
SO how long am I going to read on here. We lost because we were pitching 2 AAA pitchers. Yet none of you want to go out and get someone better?
This should make us all feel better- Wagner is a patriots fan!!! HAHAHAHHAHA man i would’ve loved to see the look on his face when plax caught that TD
Give giardi a break last time he put all lefty and he still done the same face it perez is cy young against us
I’m glad Girardi treated game 4 like a March 15 game in Tampa.
hahahahahahahahaha Jose Reyes hissy fit was just on ESPN news
Wesley Wright blows away the midget.
He’s that LH reliever right ?
“This loss was disgraceful. It’s one thing to lose with your best lineup. It’s another thing to lose when half of your best lineup is sitting on the bench.
The “learning on the job†attitude doesn’t work good on this team.”
Yeah. If only these fans weren’t so short-sighted and spoiled…oh well.
“hahahahahahahahaha Jose Reyes hissy fit was just on ESPN news”
Who won the game, troll?
in other news, GO SPAIN. i put 100 bucks on you guys
Our Juvenile Deliquent went yard in the 9th inning
why is eveyone complaining about Reyes – what did he do?
Dont give me this 4 games in 60 hrs BS. Wright Reyes Beltran did it, why cant our players do it? Girardi was going terrible players over Lefty vs Lefty
Well, maybe Joe Girardi put out a B lineup today, but at least the comments here were still A+.
No more Shea! Bring on the Rangers with a well-rested team.
“Give giardi a break last time he put all lefty and he still done the same face it perez is cy young against us”
Last time we faced Perez was in early May when our offense was horrible. That’s not a good excuse.
Reyes made an error, and then threw his glove on the ground and was basically crying when he was walking off the field
Can someone make a cogent argument for today’s lineup?
you saw damon swings?
“Can someone make a cogent argument for today’s lineup?”
Nope, there is none. I could see sitting Abreu because he struggles the worst vs Perez iirc, and starting Christian in his place, but the other auto-outs that were inserted into today’s lineup = epic fail. Not starting Moeller, who Ras has had success with on top of his robust numbers vs Perez, was particularly dumb.
“Yeah. If only these fans weren’t so short-sighted and spoiled…oh well.”
I guess we should be happy we are in 3rd place and watching crappy pitchers and even crappier bench players?
Where do they find these morons?
I guess we should all look towards 2011 when the real good prospects come up??
Brandon – any news on Horne and why he came out so early?
“Last time we faced Perez was in early May when our offense was horrible. That’s not a good excuse.”
it wasnt just the last time the man has a 5-1 record with low 2 era
“Can someone make a cogent argument for today’s lineup?
you saw damon swings?”
Girardi has this team above .500. Leave him alone already, troll.
We will see two lefties against Rangers. That is not good. We are not a good team when we face lefties no matter how pedestrian they might be. Why doesn’t Cashman make a deal and go after any of the following righty bats that could really help us out: Ty Wigginton, Ray Durham, Jose Guillen, Jason Bay, Xavier Nady, Matt Holliday.
Durham might be the easier one to trade for. HE could be a part time OF and part time 2b. He can also DH when we want to go with more contact hitters. Wiggington would be 1B platoon option as would Nady. Getting a true corner OF would give us the flexibility of moving Damon to CF several times a week. Melky can be traded. Gardner can becomoe the back up CF and part time starter when we want to move Damon to DH.
Melky does not cut it as a hitter. Gardner speed gives us an added dimension that we sorely lack.
I hope all those great prospects are as good as Melky and Kennedy and Ohlendorf.
Brandon – any news on Horne and why he came out so early?
Nothing yet, people think it could be a forearm injury he’s favoring no one is sure yet until futher notice. The Homerun by our Juvenile Deliquent is his 3rd of the season 4 RBI vs Pawtucket today (Red Sox) Edwar Gonzalez also went yard today.
Why are the lefty’s in there vs Santana but all sitting vs Perez?
I cannot forgive throwing away winnable games.
Stop with the Girardi bashing. Perz has owned this team ever since he came to the Mets. He’s made Giambi , Cano, Abreu ect. look like crap in previous encounters. What makes you think they all of a sudden would have figured him out this game?
mark – why are you calling me a very black pot? are you racist?
maybe we should sign Bonds and Amy Winehouse
Girardi manages this club like an intramural team.
be happy wih a split
“Stop with the Girardi bashing. Perz has owned this team ever since he came to the Mets. He’s made Giambi , Cano, Abreu ect. look like crap in previous encounters. What makes you think they all of a sudden would have figured him out this game?”
So, lets give up!
Dont give me this 4 games in 60 hrs BS. Wright Reyes Beltran did it, why cant our players do it? Girardi was going terrible players over Lefty vs Lefty
Well the Mets didn’t sit out a rainout in Pittsburgh hang around the airport and then get home late and have a day game. I’m just saying.
I guess we should be happy we are in 3rd place and watching crappy pitchers and even crappier bench players?
Where do they find these morons?
I guess we should all look towards 2011 when the real good prospects come up??
Nah, just be happy that we’re not under 500 the way we were last year at the break. And figure out that even if it takes a little while longer some day soon we’ll have a healthy 5-man rotation. And it’s going to be worth all the turmoil you’re feeling right now. Sometimes the road to the Olympics can be bumpy!
Why are the lefty’s in there vs Santana but all sitting vs Perez?
we didnt hit well against johan 2 legit hits and 2 infield hit we won because he was wild and the pitching of andy
Stop making excuses, mark.
farnsworthy. Ha ha ha. No just making a point that it’s pretty odd for someone who supports Farnsworth to crack on another pitcher. You don’t know how Ponson is going to work out. It isn’t like the guy hasn’t been a good pitcher. Why not think positive?
“Stop with the Girardi bashing. Perz has owned this team ever since he came to the Mets. He’s made Giambi , Cano, Abreu ect. look like crap in previous encounters. What makes you think they all of a sudden would have figured him out this game?”
You mean the same Giambi who’s hitting .500 against him, or the same Cano who’s hitting .400 against him? You got abreu right but not the other two.
Manny just tied the game. Just as I was about to say that the Rays might own first today.
Just what we need both teams to win.
and just as I was about to ask why they are not WALKING him
Its not giving up giradi just trying to put as much righty as possible because righty are hitting .280 aginst him
Buzz,
We beat Johan didn’t we?
Maybe we scratch out 4 runs if the real big league team is in there today.
I’m not advocating giving up. I’m advocating Girardi thinking out of the box and trying to get the lefty righty matchups he believes can help the team win. The guy isn’t afraid to try different things. I like that about him.
Despite the Homerun by Betemit I though they should have pinched hit for him their with Abreu.
No one can defend the minor league lineup.
The Mets started their A lineup EVERY GAME in this series. Stop with the DH excuse. This is your rival team, you try to win games against them.
The Mets are DESPERATE for wins. This is when you step on their throat and take the wins they are HANDING YOU. Perez just got CRUSHED by SEATTLE.
“Buzz,
We beat Johan didn’t we?
Maybe we scratch out 4 runs if the real big league team is in there today.”
like i said we won yesterday because johan was wild and andy out dual him
what makes u think we will scratch out 4 runs perez was throwing alot of strikes and you see damon Abs they were horrible
2 ER is a quality outing. So then back to the question about who’s behind the plate when Ras pitches…
I’ve been writing this for weeks… this team MUST find at least one quality RH bat that murders LHP… probably could have gotten Nady cheap in the offseason but not now, but they gotta find someone… hell Juan Rivera would be a huge improvement. Rondell White would help…
All in al a decent four game set considring the pitching matchups. Good to see Robertson get his feet wet and Edward look better.
Now we need a nice little 7-2 or 6-3 home stand
The Sox are beating Hou and TB beating Pitt?
No way.
Minor league team actually.Seen there pitching too.They threw Robertson in a stupid position.Cashman totally mess up the “Plan” with no insurance.
TB already beat Pitt. Sox just tied the Stros.
How many mediocre lefties have made the Yankees look like crap this year? They had more than enough hitters in the starting lineup to have hit more than they did. Stop blaming Girardi for this teams lackluster offense. Blame the players who don’t execute.
Melky vs. LHP- .198
Molina vs. LHP- .191
Christian- .200 in 15 ABs now
Rasner- No hits in ML career
Having these 4 guys back to back to back to back = loss
Like I posted earlier:
Abreu vs. LHP- .318
Cano vs. LHP- .281
Giambi vs. LHP- .260 6 HR
Sitting someone for a “matchup” when the guy you sat is WAY better is just stupid. How did the righties do against Perez today? I see five players with 0-fers in the lineup, and guess what, they were all righties.
Cabrera- 0-3
Molina- 0-3
Christian- 0-3
His “brilliant” stacking of righties went a combined 0-9.
Guys,
The real test for this season will start July 4, boston then tampa. if we don’t come ahead in both series, our chances of making the playoffs will be at best, remote. Hope I am wrong, but I have the feeling one of the two teams will sweep, most likely Tampa.
I have a question for all of you out there, why is Girardi playing a different lineup every single game? In the winning years I recall the same lineup pretty much every single game, aside from the normal rest days and injuries. I don’t get it.
When you have a AAA lineup in there. The main hitters have to be productive.
A-Rod, Posada were awful
Wow what does Molina put in his hair? That wig is shiny!!!
Lefty/righty matchups don’t do any good when the righty hitters are garbage.
Oh well, going into this weekend I would have signed up for a split given the matchups and all the scheduling nonsense.
Thank God it’s over and we can get back to AL ball. I’m sick of interleague play.
The Yankees should be embarresed being beaten by a pitcher like Perez.
Girardi really is about the poorest manager I’ve seen in a long time. His lineup changes kill this team, it kills any forward motion they make, yet he keeps on doing it. I can’t stand Girardi anymore. This should not have been a game where the Yankees couldnt’ score a ton of runs. Girardi plays yet again with the lineup. Kills what they have going for them, and the Yankees lose.
The only good thing with the Yankees losing is maybe they will wise up and get rid of Girardi. He is a poor manager, a control freak who was fired before and for the sake of the Yankees should be fired again.
Posada at first? Christian at right? Pathetic outing against a pitcher who was going to be sent down. They make him look like Cy Young. Why?
Rasner wasn’t good either, but the Mutts scored against him. The Yankees should have eaten Perez for breakfast.
enrique one thing is that Girardi is resting guys this season so he usually rests an outfielder.
wow even for this site the comments are at a new low and we do not expect much after a loss.
you posters are morons..
yeah abreu not playing that is why we lost>>>>
yeah pitching robertson instead of hawkins is why we lost.
you guys have to be joking no one is really that stupid…
we need to pressure Cash into signing Bonds.
if we can take a chance on Sir Sidney, then we can take a chance on Barry at DH.
The Yankees have never eaten Perez for breakfast.
The person who put this lineup together shows he is incompetant to manage any ML team, let alone the Yankees. Girardi sucks, but Cashman won’t do anything.
Get rid of Girardi and his micro managing and maybe this team can actually start doing something.
Thanks for the Horne update, Brandon – hopefully it’s nothing serious and they’re just being cautious taking his prior injury into account. And nice to hear Tabata is starting to show some power, 3 HR already, that can’t be much less than he had all of last season.
Perez was nasty today no matter who was in the lineup
joe overmanaged before the game even began
just as cano and abreu are hitting their stride, he sits them
its oliver perez joe, not warren spahn or left grove
Damon is saying that Perez has always pitched the Yankees tough whenever they’ve faced him.
Why the surprise then?
Get over it, Perez did a good job. Tip the cap and move on. It isn’t like the Yankees got beat by a little league pitcher.
Damon also mentioned the conditions around their travel and the doubleheader.
I have a good idea. I think I’ll go enjoy the rest of the night and the posters who never bother thinking past their noses can continue to cry on each other’s shoulders.
I hate how he sits Abreu and Damon yet runs Melky out there every day. Melky is hitting .245, and .200 against LHP. Melky’s killing us at the plate. If you want to sit someone and give them a day off, put Christian in the outfield and sit MELKY, not ABREU, one of our hottest hitters of late against a struggling pitcher.
Watch when Joe sits Alex or Jeter tomorrow people will be screaming for Joe’s head. Never mind that they need rest, and won’t have an off day will next Monday.
Hey Girardi to the DL. Who was managing the team when they reeled off 7 straight wins? You?
stuart-
there’s no need to get personal.
Umm, that’s exactly what I’m saying. You rest them against TEXAS, which is a team with weaker pitching that you don’t need your A lineup to beat. You have the DH in the AL Parks so you can DH A-Rod and Jeter each for a game and not lose their bats in the lineup. Instead, Girardi sits them in the NL, all at once, against a guy who they need patient bats against to knock out of the game, instead starting 3 terrible hitters in front of the pitcher who hand him 4 free outs every time through. That won’t get it done.
With a line up like Girardi put together Perez is going to look like Cy Young. Jennifer, please, start looking at the underlying problems with this team and you will see Girardi, whose back you have, is the largest problem of it.
While he doesn’t go out on the field, he does put together stupid lineups that kill this team.
Cano is coming around, lets sit him despite him hitting yesterday against a far superior pitcher. Lets sit Abreu who can also hit well against lefties.
Girardi is supposed to be smart. He isn’t. He was fired from his last job and I hope the Yankees are smart enough to put a bat boy in to cover his job, as he would do better than Girardi. Girardi is a poor manager and the Yankees won’t win anything under him.
But keep “having his back”, whatever that means Jennifer, till you come to see the light that he is a large part of the problem, and no where near the solution to this team.
Girardi to the DL
Shut up you have baseball IQ of 0
To those who advocate signing Bonds – no. Just no. First of all do we really need another lefty, nevermind one on the wrong side of 40. We also don’t need another DH type who will kill us in the field if he has to play in it. And we DEFINITELY don’t need a clubhouse cancer, can you imagine him trying to pull his attention ho prima donna Barry Bonds garbage on, say, Posada? Wouldn’t work.
I am a strong proponent of getting Nady, but someone here mentioned Jose Guillen which I also think could work. Actually he probably wouldn’t cost as much as Nady. But then his contact is way longer and pricier than Nady’s too.
This team has always stunk against Perez even when Joe was managing.
Hey, nimrod, that was when the Yankee lineup didn’t change for an inferior one. Girardi stinks. He is a poor manager who can’t keep his hands off something that is working.
And nice to hear Tabata is starting to show some power, 3 HR already, that can’t be much less than he had all of last season.
He’s starting to become a tougher out both his RBI hits today were w/ 2 outs. And it’s started eversince he started to pull the ball, I know one thing he kills Portland (AA Red Sox) pitching in this series alone he is batting .583
TTT,. you have a plain IQ of someone who is barely able to walk, let alone tie your own shoes.
Girardi sucks. Plain and simple.
Girardi to the DL
You probably the one last 3 years calling for torre head when the yankees were below .500
They scored 3 runs in 7+ against Perez the last time out WITHOUT A-Rod in the lineup. Stop saying they can’t hit this guy and that they need to just give away the game by sitting all the lefties! Put A-Rod in the lineup that game and they probably score 5-6 like they should have.
In fact, the last time out, most of the hits were by lefties. Matsui hit a 2-run HR and Cano and Giambi had some good at bats off him. There really was no excuse for what he did today, and if you run that lineup out against any pitcher, let alone an overpowering one like Perez, you will lose, PERIOD.
Girardi gave them no chance to win a winnable game and we paid the price.
Just gotta tip your cap to Perez. He kicked butt.
Yeah Joe G stinks this team is 44-38. They were missing their catcher, their mvp 3rd baseman for weeks. Now their ace. Yeah he is awful!!
Never called for Torres head. Girardi is a far inferior manager than Torre ever was.
Girardi is a micromanager who is destroying this team. But keep rooting for him. When we finish 3 place three years in a row then Cashman might finally wake up.
Good win for Oliver Perez. Now he can go back to sucking.
It does make sense to want Torre over Girardi. Uh his record is what? 38-42?
also, though I did not like Girardi’s lineup today in general, for mostly the same reasons already cited here by others, sitting Abreu was not a bad call. He’s 0 for 10 vs Perez in 14 plate appearances. He’s been swinging the bat well lately and we don’t want him losing his mojo because he got thrown off balance by Perez.
It was the Right Lineup to put out there the stats will back it, Perez wasnt wild or anything he was throwing strikes the only reason perez get into trouble is because he is wild and he wasnt wild you blame Giradi too for that?
dynasty is destiny the brain surgeon who is againt moving Joba into the rotation is now saying what??
Whaever you say is pure dribble along with the other spoiles, stupid, 15 yr olds…
plaY YOUR STARTERS EVERY GAME, EVERY GAME IS THE SEASON, AND ASSORTED JIBBERISH.
Really can other fans be this stupid???You think Cardinals fans are this dumb???
Moeller is so good how could they not start him today? The guy is a journeyman…
Looks like the Justin Christian love is over after 15 AB’s.. RObertson gave up a run so he stinks, and never will amount to anything and should be traded for Eric Gagne(old and expensive and bad) just the way theres scholars like it…
Girardi – 44-38 in the best division in baseball despite not having Arod/Posada for almost a month, despite now losing our ace and having our 2 rookie pitchers on the DL and having to compensate with Giese, Rasner, Igawa, Ponson etc. AND having a bullpen of Hawk, Farnsworth, Edwar, Veras, Traber, etc. We were 37-40 at this time last year.
Torre – 38-43 in the worst division in baseball. Dodgers were 45-36 this time last yr under Grady Little.
Mattingly – Not even in baseball.
Sure, he screwed up today, but to act as if there is a better man for the job is laughable. Look at how many injuries and bad breaks we have had this year and we’re still 6 games over .500.
Jennifer, show where Girardi has made lineup changes that work. When he sticks with the tried and true lineup they have more wins, yet he puts Betty out there, puts Posada on first.
When Girardi keeps his hands off this team wins more. Yet he dictates what they can eat, what they can snack on.
Girardi was the poorest choice for this team, but you idiots will keep defending him till he gets fired then you will be going on how you thought he was the wrong choice. Right.
Girardi isn’t a good manager. Watch his moves, or non-moves and if you have any baseball sense you will see it. Otherwise, you will be like TTT who has no IQ at all and think that this was a fine outing.
Girardi to the DL
LOOk at damons Ab against perez, LOok at the stats, you are just ranting off with no LOGIC
Not for anything but that genius Girardi didn’t want to make the move of Joba to the rotation. He got over-ruled. Yeah, Girardi is sure a smart baseball man. Let him eat sushi and talk about the protein it gives, but he is not a good manager.
BUZZ, stop drinking and maybe you will have a clue that Girardi stinks as manager.
Girardi to the DL
Did Joe Girardi kill ur mom or dad? you are one angry Guy
The offense had their opportunity and wasn’t able to capitalize. D Razzle and the bullpen gave them a chance to win. Whaddaya gonna do. As to Jose Reyes, the pouting act, showing up his teammate – what is up with that? He’s obviously a big talent, but really . . . It says something about the Mets organization that no one has been able to get him to grow up yet.
I hate how Girardi always gets bashed for “micromanaging.” I know this is a different sport, but go ask Avery Johnson if being a micromanager is always such a bad thing! And yes I know he got fired this year, but thats only because his bosses are idiots. He still did that franchise way more good than harm and the same is/will be true of Girardi and the Yanks.
The only problem with Girardi being a micromanager RIGHT NOW is that he’s young and a n00b at managing, so some of his decisions are gonna be the wrong ones. But as was eloquently pointed out by a poster earlier, he has a willingness to learn from his mistakes. He already has his Yankees 6 games over .500 and is bound to do an even better job managing the team as he gains experiences.
For those of you who think Torre is so much better, you’d have been comfortable with Hawkins pitching the 7th yesterday instead of Veras, right? Cause that’s what would have happened.
Most People wanted JOba in the 8th they did not need him until wang was injured and if wang was injured joba will be in the rotation get ur facts correct please
C’mon HOUSTON…and Guillen has a bad wheel and is DHing in KC…we need the X-Man, baby!
“Dr. J”, since when does the top of the scrap heap make Girardi a good manager? Torre was better. Pena would have been better. So you resort to going with no one being available as your argument for him being the best for the job? Really. Please, think before you type. You made my point about Girardi being terrible for this team while trying to defend the jerk.
Isn’t there something to be said for going with what’s working?
Look, yesterday we beat Johan Santana, one of the premiere lefties in the game…why not just throw that same lineup against Perez today?
Regardless of how they beat Santana yesterday-they beat him and that’s got to give you confidence…
Does Oliver Perez have the control of a Johan Santana?
Think of how disciplined Abreu and Giambi are at the plate…
Wouldn’t you have thought it would make sense to see them against a guy like Perez who has a history of control issues?
“That Billy Wagner comes out to Enter Sandman is a travesty.”
Why exactly? Wagner was the first to use the song.
“It was the Right Lineup to put out there the stats will back it”
The stats will not back up starting Molina. Take a gander at Moeller’s career numbers vs Perez and Rasner’s splits when he is caught by Moeller vs caught by Jose or Jorge.
I know it seems silly to quibble over using our 2nd or 3rd string catcher but in a game like this with our history vs Perez, we needed all the help we could get.
The fact is that Girardi was not in favor of moving Joba to the rotation. That was forced on him. Get my facts straight? About what? That Girardi is an incompetant manager who was fired before and should be fired again?
“The only problem with Girardi being a micromanager RIGHT NOW is that he’s young and a n00b at managing, so some of his decisions are gonna be the wrong ones. But as was eloquently pointed out by a poster earlier, he has a willingness to learn from his mistakes. He already has his Yankees 6 games over .500 and is bound to do an even better job managing the team as he gains experiences.”
Girardi will be fine over the longterm IMO but today was a “head scratcher”.
I just really dislike posters claiming that multi-million dollar, coddled athletes can’t play cause they are TIRED.
About time you showed up, Old Goat.
“For those of you who think Torre is so much better, you’d have been comfortable with Hawkins pitching the 7th yesterday instead of Veras, right? Cause that’s what would have happened.”
So you’re comfortable with Farnsworth pitching the 8th?
If I remember correctly, just about everyone on this blog was taking shots during every hitter he faced yesterday.
So I don’t really see the point your trying to make.
Enter Sandman: not a problem. Wagner is a good guy and one of the best closers in the NL. Mo is the heavyweight champ and king, period. If every closer in the league used that song, it wouldn’t change that fact. So Billy W is entitled to keep on using the song, especially if he used it first.
Mulligan: Moeller certainly wasn’t tired, he’s played what, twice in the past month! And then on top of that, someone said we’d be facing 2 LHP in the upcoming series vs Texas…so why not wait and sit some of the lefty batters then, rather than sitting them all today vs a pitcher that we know is always a challenge to face? Makes no sense to me either, but hopefully this is one of those mistakes that he’ll learn from.
stuart,
Regarding Joba…For your information pleny of baseball people thought it was the wrong move this year too…
It’s early still-you’ll see how many people question the move by the end of the season if the bullpen doesn’t hold up…
Yay Mark Loretta
3-2 stros
“you’ll see how many people question the move by the end of the season if the bullpen doesn’t hold up…”
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I know Okajima has a deceptive delivery and decent splitter. But I’ve always thought he should be easy to hit. It seems the league has really figured him out.
Eugie: I wouldn’t say comfortable exactly with Farns in the 8th, but right now, what other choice is there? And Kyle actually hasnt been THAT bad, nowhere near as bad as last year anyway. I know he’s giving up HR’s at an alarming rate, but he isn’t really getting beat by the HR’s. As opposed to last year where if he gave up 1 run, you knew 3 more were coming, and he was blowing games left and right. I think that’s been less of a problem this year because he goes out there knowing his manager believes he will get the job done.
Don’t get me wrong…at some point these HR’s will catch up to Farns and he will get beat on them…but hopefully a new 8th inning guy emerges before that happens! At any rate I’ll take him in the 8th over near-daily doses of Hawkins in big spots any day.
“Regarding Joba…For your information pleny of baseball people thought it was the wrong move this year too…”
Who? Steve Phillips? Tim McCarver? Do you really consider those baseball people?
Also…Billy Wagner a nice guy? Uh…I hear that John Rocker is a real sweetheart too!
1/13… Wasn’t too far off. I’d say I was pretty accurate.
Valverde is such a head case. Let’s hope he can hold it.
Manny’s on first, one out in the Ninth, Astros up 4-3. Lowell’s at the dish 0-2.
Agree Girardi again trying to do something different, something that nobody else thought of to prove he is smarter. Like a Bobby Valentine move with this lineup. If the Yanks were facing a dominant lefty, I could see throwing heavy righthanded lineup in. Perez “was” on his last legs, until the Yanks propped him up again. All of a sudden Abreu Cano and Giambi cannot hit low level Leftys? Girardi threw this one away today. Meanwhile he misses another opportunity if Bosox and Tampa lost.
After two straight wins over the mets he should have used his best lineup and get the three game win streak going home for Texas. He acts like he in first by 10 games. Every loss counts, and all these games he tosses will come back to haunt him later
Lowell beat the rap at 1st. 2 out.
3-2 houston its over
Stros win 4-3!!
boston loses…
Don’t compare Joe Girardi to Joe Torre. Girardi is a more cerebral manager, Torre a motivator and “general statesman”.
Torre was given championship personnel, hence the 1996-2000 championship run.
Girardi has been given a Team that is nowhere near the quality of the Torre Years, not yet anyway.
Yet Joe G. still has them 6 games over .500. His best pitcher is injured, his future Ace is still learning his trade, he has no reliable setup man, no lefty bullpen stopper (Carlos Delgado come on down!) and an absolutely terrible bench to work with…and he still has a respectable W-L record.
Giving the lefties a rest today was a good move after the grueling Pittsburgh road trip and having to play two games Friday.
Perez is not just any lefty – lefties are batting .167 against him. He has very good stuff, its usually his command that gets him into trouble. He had his command today. Girardi is using what he has been given – no bench. Blame Cashman, not Girardi.
Better to keep Cano and Abreu hot by sitting them against a tough lefty – those type of pitchers can absolutely send you backwards.
The 1st place Rays
Say hello to your AL East leading Tampa Bay Rays…6-29-08
TB’s in first
“The 1st place Rays”
That just sounds strange.
“Giving the lefties a rest today was a good move after the grueling Pittsburgh road trip and having to play two games Friday.”
LOL
Big fight tomorrow night: Sox vs Rays
“Eugie: I wouldn’t say comfortable exactly with Farns in the 8th, but right now, what other choice is there? And Kyle actually hasnt been THAT bad, nowhere near as bad as last year anyway. I know he’s giving up HR’s at an alarming rate, but he isn’t really getting beat by the HR’s. As opposed to last year where if he gave up 1 run, you knew 3 more were coming, and he was blowing games left and right. I think that’s been less of a problem this year because he goes out there knowing his manager believes he will get the job done.
Don’t get me wrong…at some point these HR’s will catch up to Farns and he will get beat on them…but hopefully a new 8th inning guy emerges before that happens! At any rate I’ll take him in the 8th over near-daily doses of Hawkins in big spots any day.”
I just don’t see what the difference is in the point your trying to make. It’s not like Torre would have stuck with a guy who continues to lose games. A guy who’s been shaky? Sure. But that’s exactly what Girardi does. As for who is better than Farns? Why not try Veras?
Re Joba,
Why would someone like Mike Mussina think that
it was better to keep Joba in the ‘pen this year?
Just wondering…
These Yankees can’t stand prosperity. Gain ground then lose it right back.
The season is exactly half over and the truth is, the Rays are hungrier.
Does Mike Mussina think that right now? Or did he think that in the past..because ya know, opinions can change.
Are people still arguing about the bullpen?
The Yankees need to figure out their RISP issues. It’s not anything new, it’s been years.
“Perez is not just any lefty – lefties are batting .167 against him. He has very good stuff, its usually his command that gets him into trouble. He had his command today. Girardi is using what he has been given – no bench. Blame Cashman, not Girardi.
Better to keep Cano and Abreu hot by sitting them against a tough lefty – those type of pitchers can absolutely send you backwards.”
Why are Perez stats more important than Cano or Giambi’s?
Cano is not only hitting better against lefties this year he’s also hitting .400 against perez in his career. Giambi is hitting .500 against him.
What’s with all the whining about today’s lineup? Think for a minute.
This team has played almost non-stop baseball since Thursday night. Girardi has to find ways to give Abreu, Cano and Giambi rest. He can’t play everybody everyday. The team is too old and won’t hold up.
I know some fans think a Mets series is everything. It isn’t. In the grand scheme of things, it means nothing.
At the start of this weekend, with Dan Giese, Sidney Ponson and Darrel Rasner pitching 3 of the 4 games, how many of you would have been VERY happy with a split?
Think big picture for a minute. The Yankees accomplished all they wanted to do this weekend and still had a shot at tying it up in the 9th.
Now comes the real games. Ten home games before the AS Break with Texas, Boston and Tampa. Those are the games you want your regulars to be able to play everyday.
If the Yankees can somehow win 7 or 8 out of the 10 games on this homestand, they put themselves in a great position.
July is the month we will find out about whether they have a big run in them. Most of their games are at home and if there is a run in this team, now is the time to take it.
With everything that has gone on this year, they are only 4 games behind Boston and 6 behind Tampa in the loss column and they are playing both teams at home in this homestand. If they are good enough, they can make up a lot of ground on this homestand.
a year ago today, Tampa was 16 behind boston. We were 10.5 games behind Boston.
two years ago today, we were 4 games behind boston, and they didn’t even make the postseason.
just sayin’
Nobody rests their best players like the Yankees do. Did Wright, Beltran, Reyes, play in all the games?
Do you see Bosox giving Manny Pedroia or Youk this many days off?
Every game matters- every game
sj stop being a hall monitor. let the people blow off some steam.
“Does Mike Mussina think that right now? Or did he think that in the past..because ya know, opinions can change.”
Can’t say what he thinks right now-I was referring to a quote in the Feinstein book…
Dynasty,
Really, you think the Yankees are going on Mike Mussina’s cue about what to do with Joba?
They haven’t lost a game because of bad 8th innings since Joba left the bullpen.
Its not even an argument at this point.
Unless of course, you believe a Jeff Karstens, Dan Giese, Darrel Rasner, Andy Pettitte and Mike Mussina starting rotation will get you in the playoff hunt.
Johnny Damon also thought it was crazy to take Joba out of the bullpen.
You know what he said at Posada’s Foundation Dinner about it? He said the move was “genius” now.
That’s why players play and management makes personnel decisions.
Its not even a logical argument at this point re: Joba’s place on the staff.
His present and future is as a starter. The Yankees haven’t had any problems covering the 8th inning since they made the move.
I was at the game yesterday sitting right behind home plate.
Farnsworth and Veras threw the ball as well as two guys could throw it. Movement, velocity and location.
You can’t ask for anymore from those guys. If the bullpen can cut down on the HR’s allowed, Farnsworth, Veras, Robertson and Ramirez (they do need a lefty specialist, IMO) is good enough to do the job.
Their real issue is finding one more starter and a RH bat because I have a feeling Matsui is going to be out awhile.
The 8th inning is not the problem with the team.
Dynasty, everyone (but you?) knows a lot more about Joba now than when Mussina spoke about it to Feinstein. But here are a couple reasons why Mussina might think that:
1) he was wrong
2) his spot in the rotation was vulnerable
Hey SJ, EVERY loss counts. A loss to the Mets is a loss in the standings they all count equally. It was a day game. They dont play again until tomorrow night. He could have rested one of them today not all three. This game could have been a momemtum builder, they got reasonable pitching (allowing 3 runs in 9 innings) and it wasted because Girardi wants to tinker. He won two straight correct? Leave it alone
Bugsy,
I’ll post what I want to post. You don’t like it, take it up with Pete.
Every game doesn’t matter. Its not football. No team plays all 162 games the same way.
How old are Beltran, Reyes and Wright? Considerably younger and healthier than Giambi and Abreu.
The Mets forced Wright to take a day off before the Yankees series and he got a second wind and did a lot of damage this weekend.
Francona has been sitting Manny a lot this year because of his hamstrings.
Youkilis has sat out his share of games because of his back. Look it up.
Girardi has no choice, given the schedule and injury situation with the team, than to rest as many guys as he can so they hold up all season. Especially with a big 10 game home stand coming up.
“Can’t say what he thinks right now-I was referring to a quote in the Feinstein book…”
A quote from last year…way before this season ever started.
So….right now..today…you do realize Mussina could actually think it is a good move that Joba is in the rotation? Correct?
Nobody sits three regulars who are big bats on the same day- onlyt Girardi
They already have momentum. They won 2 of 3 at Shea this weekend. They have won 11 out of their last 16 games.
They are 11 games over .500 since Arod’s return.
That’s not momentum?
They didn’t lose any momentum today. The Red Sox lost and Tampa and the Red Sox now play each other the next 3 days.
They are closer to first place this year, and have a better record, than they had last year.
They are going to lose more games this year. I know that’s not a newsflash for some of you but for others, I think it needs to be said.
The lefties on this team NEVER hit Perez. Seems to me this was the perfect time to get guys a day and a half off before making a push toward the AS Break.
SJ44,
In light of the injury to Wang, the move looks good now. Besides, Joba clearly has the potential to be a brilliant starting pitcher…
But do you really believe that the bullpen as it stands now can hold up against Boston, Texas, Tampa etc…
There’s plenty of time left this season against some serious competition, before we can say definitively that this was the proper move…
Last year we might not have made it to the playoffs had Joba not been in the ‘pen…
“So….right now..today…you do realize Mussina could actually think it is a good move that Joba is in the rotation? Correct?”
That’s probably correct-I don’t think there’s an argument now, because of the injury to Wang…
I just don’t have faith in this bullpen, though-especially with what’s coming up…
Do you?
sj- I reprimand you, when I want to reprimand you. and if you don’t like it, I’ll make you eat it.
“The lefties on this team NEVER hit Perez. Seems to me this was the perfect time to get guys a day and a half off before making a push toward the AS Break.”
Do you people even look at the stats?
Refresh my memory.. What is Cano and Giambi hitting against Perez?
How about against lefties this year?
Please at least look things up before you post. There’s a link at the top of the page for you.
I think the bullpen is the least of this teams problems.
Their starting rotation, particularly the back end, is a bigger problem. So is their inability to hit w/RISP.
Ironically, had Wang not gotten hurt, the Yankees would have had (IMO) the best 4 starters on one team in the league with Wang, Pettitte, Chamberlain and Moose.
You win Championships with quality starting pitching. You can find 8th inning guys.
Even Kyle Farnsworth has had more good than bad moments this year and Jose Veras has pitched very, very well for the Yankees.
Frankly, both Farnsworth and Veras have outpitched the 3 8th inning guys for the Red Sox this year: Hansen, Okajima, and Delcarmen.
Their bullpen isn’t the problem with the team.
A better thing would be to sit one today, one tomorrow and one on Tuesday- not sit all three on one day
Dynasty, the move is correct REGARDLESS of what happens with the bullpen and would have been correct even without the injury to Wang. And even without the injuries to Hughes and Kennedy.
The bullpen as a whole is subsidiary in importance to the starting rotation and the setup role is even more subsidiary to a potential ace starter.
The timing of the transition may have been a result of the other problems, but it was happening either way, this season.
Bugsy,
Tough talk from an internet punk. Very, very easy to get together and see if you can back it up.
Maybe when you grow up, we’ll talk about it.
Right now, I have no interest in kicking the crap out of a 12 year old.
Why would you want to sit out players on a homestand against AL teams?
That doesn’t make any sense to me.
This is the homestand you want everybody fresh and ready to go because this is their best chance this season to make a big dent in the race.
The point about Mussina’s lack of objectivity being in doubt is worth a thought. He wasn’t pitching well when he made those comments, meaning that his spot was indeed in danger. Also, I think he felt his chances of getting wins was better with Chamberlain protecting leads.
SJ44 June 29th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Bugsy,
Tough talk from an internet punk. Very, very easy to get together and see if you can back it up.
Maybe when you grow up, we’ll talk about it.
Right now, I have no interest in kicking the crap out of a 12 year old.
I missed SJ44′s tough and loony talk all weekend. Only guy to pick fights out over the net.
sj the voice of reason. Thankfully there are others on here who have a level head.
sj
you’re a complete joke.
thanks for the laughs.
SJ44-
Agree with everything but disagee on issue of the bullpen. Other than Rivera, is there anyone in the bullpen you trust to have a 1-2-3 inning and not walk the leadoff guy, or give up a homer in a crucial spot?
Was not impressed with Robertson today-control,velocity,movement. We do need another solid arm in the bullpen who can throw strikes with movement on the ball. Look at Rivera-one pitch essentially but master control!
SJ44- When I said agree with everything but the “bullpen is not the problem” that was in regards to your 6:06 PM post, not the one where you want to beat up some 12 year old!!
“sj the voice of reason. Thankfully there are others on here who have a level head.”
Really. The hard he digs, the deep the hole. Kinda like a junior Schilling.
Nick in SF,
No question that an ace caliber pitcher is crucial to a team’s success-We need all the aces in the starting rotation that we can get…
But why can’t we make sure we have a real bullpen before we make the Joba transition…
This bullpen just worries me going forward-especially with the kind of teams we’ll be facing…
Let’s Go Yanks!
new post up
“I just don’t have faith in this bullpen, though-especially with what’s coming up…
Do you?”
I actually have some faith with this bullpen. Crazy, I know.
I still scream in horror when Farnsworth comes in. But I do think in the end they will get the job done.
So what do you want the yankees to do? Do you want them to put Joba back in the bullpen someday?
The bullpen is gonna have it’s ups and downs. It happens with every team. I am also sure there will be further tweaks to the bullpen in time.
Dynasty, it would be highly foolish to lock Joba in the bullpen until some mythical time when we have a ‘real bullpen’. It just would have delayed his development.
As I’ve said over and over, it’s possible that his transition was moved up because of the other problems in the rotation. Others have suggested that the timetable was already written in stone before the season started. I have no clue.
But the bottom line is that is that it was more important for the team to transition Joba to the rotation THIS SEASON, regardless of the effect on the bullpen. That’s even more true in hindsight with the injury woes, but it would have been true anyway.
Ok, this thread is over!
By the way there were baseball experts who did think moving Joba was the wrong move. That would be Singleton, Leiter and Flash.
I have a guess here that I bet is the right one. If Hughes and Kennedy worked out and if Wang didn’t go down Joba would have stayed in the bullpen a lot longer.
It was sensible based on what happened as the season unfolded. Period. So really you should stay off Dynasty. If Kennedy and Hughes worked out and Wang was healthy do you REALLY think Joba would be in the rotation? Of course you don’t since he was the perfect setup man in the 8th. Circumstances forced it, nothing else.
Oh yeah look at Okejima if you want to see the value of a setup man in the 8th. It wasn’t the perfect move but it had to be done. Really that simple.
Thanks for the laughs threatening each other though. That shows a lot of smarts.
ugh, mark, we’ve been going back and forth with Dynasty since pre-season. Yes, Joba was going to the rotation, period, regardless of how Kennedy and Highes did. The timing of the transition is an open question.
Um, I think they were gonna put Joba in the rotation no matter what. Let’s remember, not many expected Mussina to be as kick butt as he has been.
I honestly thought Joba would be coming in to take his spot at some point.
Nick that’s correct. Only the timing is in question. I guess I don’t know why Dynasty is til getting creamed for saying the Yankees needed Joba in the pen!
Unless he isn’t getting creamed for it. Maybe I missed some of the posts but is Dynasty still saying Joba should be in the pen?
To be clear, when I say that only the timing is the question, I mean the timing within this season. May vs. June vs. July, not 2008 vs. 2009.
Of course it would be great if there was another Joba or three for the pen, but there’s only one of him.
Dynasty clung to every silly argument about keeping Joba in the bullpen. He’s come close (I think) to admitting that Joba should be in the rotation, though I don’t know if he’s actually come out and said it.
But nobody is creaming Dynasty, it’s all just talk.
mark,
You make some excellent points-clearly, even though there was always a plan for Joba I think that plan would’ve changed based on need…
They never would have weakened the bullpen if the starting rotation was doing its job…
That really would have been silly…Can you imagine for example if Kennedy and Hughes had been winning games because with Joba and Mo shutting the door…
And the Yankees sitting in first place?
The plan would’ve been different then…
This is why Dynasty gets “creamed”! This is exactly why!
THIS IS THE REASON!
Let’s just wait for the rest of the season to unfold, shall we?
Circumstances were never going to derail the plan to transition Joba into the rotation this season. Whoever believes that doesn’t understand the Yankees’ dedication to properly building Chamberlain’s arm THIS SEASON so that he would be on course to be a starter THIS SEASON GOING INTO NEXT SEASON.
You could not have let that arm, confined to the eighth inning, wither away all season and have expected it to be accelerated enough to have Joba assume a spot in the starting rotation for 2009. That is just not how it’s done. The Yankees were NEVER going to leave him in the bullpen this season. Do not believe it.
Thank you, THANK YOU bodhisattva.
It has nothing to do with the rest of the season unfolding.
Even if FEMA has to come in to salvage the bullpen, it was still the right move to put Joba in the rotation.
Joba was always eventually going to the rotation. The only time that was in doubt was IF Mariano signed elsewhere or retired, which wasn’t going to happen. It is silly to continue the debate, even sillier for anyone to consider a set up man as valuable as a # 1, # 2 or # 3 starter. You might argue # 4 but that’s about it.
Joba only went to the pen because the pen was awful last year. He went to the rotation as soon as it was obvious his arm in the pen was a luxury the Yankees could no longer afford. I agree, IF the starter had done well, he’d still be in the set up for this year, but this year only.
Now for this team. EVERY lefty looks better against the Yanks because there are few if any hitters on this team better vs LHP. The lineup was a shakeup that didn’t work. Doesn’t make Giardi an idiot. My biggest argument was with Cano who is the youngest regular and finally swinging the bat well.. he certainly didn’t need any rest.
Some excellent points have been made on the fact that this team is more successful than they were last year at this time with far more injuries no significant newcomers. I think they are holding it together and hanging in there as well as can be expected, but if they don’t get a RH bat and LH reliever soon I’m gonna “Chacon” somebody.
For the person who suggested signing Bonds… go ahead and schedule the lobotomy.
It has nothing to do with what I think. It has to do with what the Yankees decided. They weren’t willing to stunt the growth of a future ace by having him languish in the bullpen, throwing only sliders and fastballs. What part of this don’t people grasp?
He would not have been able to take a regular turn in 2009 had they delayed the transition. Therefore, they weren’t willing to sacrifice TWO YEARS of his developement to fill the role of the setup man.
And as it happens, Mark Melancon is being groomed for that role, therefore they know “the bridge” is in good hands.
Agreed, that the transition was going to take place regardless. My question is how many innings is he going to pitch this year?
He pitched 112 last year and is already at 48 this year.
I think his cap was to be 140-150, which would allow him to be at or near that threshhold at the end of Sept., taking a regular turn. Interesting to see how they handle for post season. Do they shorten up his starts to save some bullets? They’re already having him pitch on an extra day’s rest, maybe they do some more of that. It also will depend, I’m sure, on how taxing the starts are.
“He would not have been able to take a regular turn in 2009 had they delayed the transition. Therefore, they weren’t willing to sacrifice TWO YEARS of his developement to fill the role of the setup man.”
This is simply not accurate, because if they wanted to they could have lengthened him in the ‘pen ala 2 or 3 inning stints througout the season-and he could have been used in a ton of high leverage spots…
But anyway, it’s a moot point now because there is just as much a need in the starting rotation and Joba, at least for now, is excelling in that role…
“And as it happens, Mark Melancon is being groomed for that role, therefore they know “the bridge†is in good hands.”
It’s amazing how sure people are that a player will excel in the MLB because of their minor league stats…
How is it a foregone conclusion that “‘the bridge’ is in good hands,” as you say?
Dynasty,
Have you seen Melancon pitch? I don’t rely on Baseball America, or stats, I go to see our prospects as time and geography will allow. I am duly impressed with Mark Melancon, and he could easily help us tonight. They want him to incorporate his changeup more, fine, but with his 2 and 4 and curve, he could be getting it done for us now. Possibly, they are looking at him for a long role temporarily up here, and then they’ll shorten him up.
I don’t see him spending much more time in the minor leagues. All along, they had him ticketed for the ML bullpen after the All-Star Break. I think we will see him in the Bronx then.
As to your other point, that they could have stretched Joba out in relief, they could have, but it would not have been the best way for him to use all four pitches. It’s more conceivable that they would, now that he’s airing out his starter’s repertoire, shorten him up as he nears his IC, and have HIM come out of BP in long relief, as Hughes happened to against Cleveland in ALDS.
The Yankees have more options and flexibility than people generally recognize.