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		<title>By: bodhisattva</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/29/game-82-yankees-at-mets/#comment-414793</link>
		<dc:creator>bodhisattva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dynasty,

Have you seen Melancon pitch? I don't rely on Baseball America, or stats, I go to see our prospects as time and geography will allow. I am duly impressed with Mark Melancon, and he could easily help us tonight. They want him to incorporate his changeup more, fine, but with his 2 and 4 and curve, he could be getting it done for us now. Possibly, they are looking at him for a long role temporarily up here, and then they'll shorten him up.

I don't see him spending much more time in the minor leagues. All along, they had him ticketed for the ML bullpen after the All-Star Break. I think we will see him in the Bronx then.

As to your other point, that they could have stretched Joba out in relief, they could have, but it would not have been the best way for him to use all four pitches. It's more conceivable that they would, now that he's airing out his starter's repertoire, shorten him up as he nears his IC, and have HIM come out of BP in long relief, as Hughes happened to against Cleveland in ALDS.

The Yankees have more options and flexibility than people generally recognize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dynasty,</p>
<p>Have you seen Melancon pitch? I don&#8217;t rely on Baseball America, or stats, I go to see our prospects as time and geography will allow. I am duly impressed with Mark Melancon, and he could easily help us tonight. They want him to incorporate his changeup more, fine, but with his 2 and 4 and curve, he could be getting it done for us now. Possibly, they are looking at him for a long role temporarily up here, and then they&#8217;ll shorten him up.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see him spending much more time in the minor leagues. All along, they had him ticketed for the ML bullpen after the All-Star Break. I think we will see him in the Bronx then.</p>
<p>As to your other point, that they could have stretched Joba out in relief, they could have, but it would not have been the best way for him to use all four pitches. It&#8217;s more conceivable that they would, now that he&#8217;s airing out his starter&#8217;s repertoire, shorten him up as he nears his IC, and have HIM come out of BP in long relief, as Hughes happened to against Cleveland in ALDS.</p>
<p>The Yankees have more options and flexibility than people generally recognize.</p>
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		<title>By: DYNASTY IS DESTINY!</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/29/game-82-yankees-at-mets/#comment-414359</link>
		<dc:creator>DYNASTY IS DESTINY!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"And as it happens, Mark Melancon is being groomed for that role, therefore they know â€œthe bridgeâ€ is in good hands."

It's amazing how sure people are that a player will excel in the MLB because of their minor league stats...

How is it a foregone conclusion that "'the bridge' is in good hands," as you say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And as it happens, Mark Melancon is being groomed for that role, therefore they know â€œthe bridgeâ€ is in good hands.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing how sure people are that a player will excel in the MLB because of their minor league stats&#8230;</p>
<p>How is it a foregone conclusion that &#8221;&#8217;the bridge&#8217; is in good hands,&#8221; as you say?</p>
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		<title>By: DYNASTY IS DESTINY!</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/29/game-82-yankees-at-mets/#comment-414354</link>
		<dc:creator>DYNASTY IS DESTINY!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"He would not have been able to take a regular turn in 2009 had they delayed the transition. Therefore, they werenâ€™t willing to sacrifice TWO YEARS of his developement to fill the role of the setup man."

This is simply not accurate, because if they wanted to they could have lengthened him in the 'pen ala 2 or 3 inning stints througout the season-and he could have been used in a ton of high leverage spots...

But anyway, it's a moot point now because there is just as much a need in the starting rotation and Joba, at least for now, is excelling in that role...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He would not have been able to take a regular turn in 2009 had they delayed the transition. Therefore, they werenâ€™t willing to sacrifice TWO YEARS of his developement to fill the role of the setup man.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is simply not accurate, because if they wanted to they could have lengthened him in the &#8216;pen ala 2 or 3 inning stints througout the season-and he could have been used in a ton of high leverage spots&#8230;</p>
<p>But anyway, it&#8217;s a moot point now because there is just as much a need in the starting rotation and Joba, at least for now, is excelling in that role&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bodhisattva</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/06/29/game-82-yankees-at-mets/#comment-414288</link>
		<dc:creator>bodhisattva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think his cap was to be 140-150, which would allow him to be at or near that threshhold at the end of Sept., taking a regular turn. Interesting to see how they handle for post season. Do they shorten up his starts to save some bullets? They're already having him pitch on an extra day's rest, maybe they do some more of that. It also will depend, I'm sure, on how taxing the starts are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think his cap was to be 140-150, which would allow him to be at or near that threshhold at the end of Sept., taking a regular turn. Interesting to see how they handle for post season. Do they shorten up his starts to save some bullets? They&#8217;re already having him pitch on an extra day&#8217;s rest, maybe they do some more of that. It also will depend, I&#8217;m sure, on how taxing the starts are.</p>
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		<title>By: ASH</title>
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		<dc:creator>ASH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, that the transition was going to take place regardless. My question is how many innings is he going to pitch this year?

He pitched 112 last year and is already at 48 this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, that the transition was going to take place regardless. My question is how many innings is he going to pitch this year?</p>
<p>He pitched 112 last year and is already at 48 this year.</p>
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		<title>By: bodhisattva</title>
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		<dc:creator>bodhisattva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has nothing to do with what I think. It has to do with what the Yankees decided. They weren't willing to stunt the growth of a future ace by having him languish in the bullpen, throwing only sliders and fastballs. What part of this don't people grasp?
 
He would not have been able to take a regular turn in 2009 had they delayed the transition. Therefore, they weren't willing to sacrifice TWO YEARS of his developement to fill the role of the setup man.

 And as it happens, Mark Melancon is being groomed for that role, therefore they know "the bridge" is in good hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has nothing to do with what I think. It has to do with what the Yankees decided. They weren&#8217;t willing to stunt the growth of a future ace by having him languish in the bullpen, throwing only sliders and fastballs. What part of this don&#8217;t people grasp?</p>
<p>He would not have been able to take a regular turn in 2009 had they delayed the transition. Therefore, they weren&#8217;t willing to sacrifice TWO YEARS of his developement to fill the role of the setup man.</p>
<p> And as it happens, Mark Melancon is being groomed for that role, therefore they know &#8220;the bridge&#8221; is in good hands.</p>
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		<title>By: 86w183</title>
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		<dc:creator>86w183</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joba was always eventually going to the rotation. The only time that was in doubt was IF Mariano signed elsewhere or retired, which wasn't going to happen. It is silly to continue the debate, even sillier for anyone to consider a set up man as valuable as a # 1, # 2 or # 3 starter. You might argue # 4 but that's about it. 

Joba only went to the pen because the pen was awful last year. He went to the rotation as soon as it was obvious his arm in the pen was a luxury the Yankees could no longer afford. I agree, IF the starter had done well, he'd still be in the set up for this year, but this year only.

Now for this team. EVERY lefty looks better against the Yanks because there are few if any hitters on this team better vs LHP. The lineup was a shakeup that didn't work. Doesn't make Giardi an idiot. My biggest argument was with Cano who is the youngest regular and finally swinging the bat well.. he certainly didn't need any rest.

Some excellent points have been made on the fact that this team is more successful than they were last year at this time with far more injuries no significant newcomers. I think they are holding it together and hanging in there as well as can be expected, but if they don't get a RH bat and LH reliever soon I'm gonna "Chacon" somebody.

For the person who suggested signing Bonds... go ahead and schedule the lobotomy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joba was always eventually going to the rotation. The only time that was in doubt was IF Mariano signed elsewhere or retired, which wasn&#8217;t going to happen. It is silly to continue the debate, even sillier for anyone to consider a set up man as valuable as a # 1, # 2 or # 3 starter. You might argue # 4 but that&#8217;s about it. </p>
<p>Joba only went to the pen because the pen was awful last year. He went to the rotation as soon as it was obvious his arm in the pen was a luxury the Yankees could no longer afford. I agree, IF the starter had done well, he&#8217;d still be in the set up for this year, but this year only.</p>
<p>Now for this team. EVERY lefty looks better against the Yanks because there are few if any hitters on this team better vs LHP. The lineup was a shakeup that didn&#8217;t work. Doesn&#8217;t make Giardi an idiot. My biggest argument was with Cano who is the youngest regular and finally swinging the bat well.. he certainly didn&#8217;t need any rest.</p>
<p>Some excellent points have been made on the fact that this team is more successful than they were last year at this time with far more injuries no significant newcomers. I think they are holding it together and hanging in there as well as can be expected, but if they don&#8217;t get a RH bat and LH reliever soon I&#8217;m gonna &#8220;Chacon&#8221; somebody.</p>
<p>For the person who suggested signing Bonds&#8230; go ahead and schedule the lobotomy.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick in SF</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick in SF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, THANK YOU bodhisattva.  

It has nothing to do with the rest of the season unfolding. 

Even if FEMA has to come in to salvage the bullpen, it was still the right move to put Joba in the rotation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, THANK YOU bodhisattva.  </p>
<p>It has nothing to do with the rest of the season unfolding. </p>
<p>Even if FEMA has to come in to salvage the bullpen, it was still the right move to put Joba in the rotation.</p>
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		<title>By: bodhisattva</title>
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		<dc:creator>bodhisattva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Circumstances were never going to derail the plan to transition Joba into the rotation this season. Whoever believes that doesn't understand the Yankees' dedication to properly building Chamberlain's arm THIS SEASON so that he would be on course to be a starter THIS SEASON GOING INTO NEXT SEASON.

You could not have let that arm, confined to the eighth inning, wither away all season and have expected it to be accelerated enough to have Joba assume a spot in the starting rotation for 2009.  That is just not how it's done.  The Yankees were NEVER going to leave him in the bullpen this season. Do not believe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Circumstances were never going to derail the plan to transition Joba into the rotation this season. Whoever believes that doesn&#8217;t understand the Yankees&#8217; dedication to properly building Chamberlain&#8217;s arm THIS SEASON so that he would be on course to be a starter THIS SEASON GOING INTO NEXT SEASON.</p>
<p>You could not have let that arm, confined to the eighth inning, wither away all season and have expected it to be accelerated enough to have Joba assume a spot in the starting rotation for 2009.  That is just not how it&#8217;s done.  The Yankees were NEVER going to leave him in the bullpen this season. Do not believe it.</p>
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		<title>By: DYNASTY IS DESTINY!</title>
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		<dc:creator>DYNASTY IS DESTINY!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's just wait for the rest of the season to unfold, shall we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s just wait for the rest of the season to unfold, shall we?</p>
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