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Pitching matchups for the Rangers series

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 30, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tonight: RHP Scott Feldman (1-3, 4.60) for the Rangers vs. RHP Mike Mussina (10-5, 3.93) for the Yankees, 7:05, YES

Tuesday: RHP Kevin Millwood (5-4, 5.08) vs. RHP Joba Chamberlain (2-2, 2.03), 7:05, YES

Wednesday: RHP Luis Mendoza (1-2, 5.74) vs. RHP Sidney Ponson (5-1, 3.50), 7:05, YES

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297 Responses to “Pitching matchups for the Rangers series”

  1. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 11:31 am

    how nice would it be for Sir Sidney to get his chance this soon to stick it to his ol’ mates in Texas?

  2. ANSKY June 30th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    Sweep.

  3. Joe June 30th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    From the sound of it, Sidney was the one sticking it to his teamates while he was there…which is why they got rid of him. They are probably just as excited to hit as he is to pitch.

  4. pat June 30th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    Sidney going against the guy who replaced him in the rotation.

  5. frits June 30th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    I second ANSKY’s call for a sweep. It would be perfect to sweep now while Boston and Tampa slug it out…

  6. pat June 30th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    3 right handed pitchers for the Rangers? Other teams still have those?

  7. PJH June 30th, 2008 at 11:44 am

    Im guessing Gardner was not called up because we were facing 5 lefties in 7 games?

  8. Billy June 30th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Bring out the brooms.

  9. stuart June 30th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    again Melky is 24…. he is in his 3rd yr. relax.

    give gardner some AB’s and see what happens.

    they are not getting WInn he makes to much cash, is old, and is not a long term solution….

    Again why are they carrying 12 pitchers when the 12th is Hawkins.. I thought the new Yanks are a meritocracy!!!What has Hawkins done good?

    having garder and Christian on the team allow them to PR for jorge or giambi late and give some aded flexibility..

    giese is the long man, they can try 11 pitchers for a few days can’t they?

    It sounds like Horne cannot stay healthy to bad he is older then Melky…….

  10. John in Ohio June 30th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Anyone thinking that Karstens might be replacing Rasner soon?

  11. Girardi to the DL June 30th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    What’s the line on Mendoza? ;)

  12. Girardi to the DL June 30th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    Rasner might have kept the game close but if he was up against a good hitting team it would have been far worse.

  13. stuart June 30th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    I liked Robertsons curve balll yesterday in inning 2. he looked nervous in the 1st inning his curve ball was not even close to the srike zone in the first inning.. give him a shot and see what he haves… may these days beat the darrel may and tim redding days.. Interesting that redding is doing just fine for the Nationals….

    the 4 and 5 starter positions are killing them and making it so the top 3 pithers have to pitch very well each outing…..Wang injury l=kills and Hughes giving them nothing are the to big negatives so far for the year.

    Kennedy to me never ever had the Hughes upside so that is much less diassapointing, if Hughes ould have been decent it would have been very helpful….

    Guys Cashman is not selling the farm so give up on that dream…

  14. Russell NY June 30th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    “Anyone thinking that Karstens might be replacing Rasner soon?”

    I hope not.

  15. jennifer June 30th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Has anyone found confirmation that Brett was brought up? Sweeney was on the radio, and did not confirm that he was brought up today.

  16. Russell NY June 30th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    “Bring out the brooms.”

    It has happened twice this season already… as soon as someone says this we get smacked to all hell the following game. CRAP!

  17. Rocco June 30th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    what are the odds Mussina pitches around Hamilton?

  18. gayle June 30th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Jennifer quotes on the Times,. here and on Chad Jennings blog confirmed by the team

  19. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    “Again why are they carrying 12 pitchers when the 12th is Hawkins.. I thought the new Yanks are a meritocracy!!!What has Hawkins done good?”

    stuart, you need to relax.

    you posted over and over all week how the yankees never give any young guys a chance.

    now they called up Robertson and Gardner.

    they aren’t going to make ALL the changes in one weekend.

    Hawkins won’t be here in a month. he is basically pitching mop up for now, which saves the arms of the more valuable relievers. he isn’t pitching well, but he isn’t pitching in close games. he is just keeping the spot warm until the organization says Cox is ready, or they decide to give Strickland a shot, or they make a trade, or Britton comes back, etc.

    his days are numbered. the yankees are starting to make all the moves people have been clamoring for.

    believe it or not, they know what they are doing.

  20. jennifer June 30th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    Thanks Gayle. SO Sweeney is a little behind the news.

  21. al arodien June 30th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    A-rod passed jeter with the lead among the all star votes!!!! he now is 1st with 2,518,067 . Jeter is 2nd with 2,507,534 votes! LETS GO A-ROD!!

  22. Fredo Corleone June 30th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    “I liked Robertsons curve balll yesterday in inning 2. he looked nervous in the 1st inning his curve ball was not even close to the srike zone in the first inning”

    He actually threw one curve in his 1st inning that froze the umpire. Problem with Robertson to me is that his fastball is not a big league average pitch and that will make his secondary pitches less effective. I’d still take Veras and Farnsworth in the 7th and 8th before him.

  23. yankee lover June 30th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    so now what– does Girardi take Arod out since hes righty

  24. gayle June 30th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    I have to believe that Hawkins will not just be DFA’s but that someone out there would want him and the Yanks are trying to package him to for something rather than just let him go.

  25. pat June 30th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    After being swept by the Mariners this weekend, the Padres are thought to be sellers now. Who would you want? The easy answer is Peavy but that is a long shot.

  26. raymagnetic ®™ June 30th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    ” Problem with Robertson to me is that his fastball is not a big league average pitch and that will make his secondary pitches less effective.”

    How many times have you actually seen him pitch?

  27. Russell NY June 30th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    “On June 24th, Ken Rosenthal sang a different tune. He said, “The Rockies remain willing to move closer Brian Fuentes regardless of whether they climb back into contention.” One reason for their willingness to trade Fuentes: they’d be hesitant to offer him arbitration after the season and then have him accept. Rosenthal said the Rockies “remain intrigued by Mets righty Aaron Heilman.”

    I will kick myself in the head of the Mets trade Gomez for Santana then Heilman for Fuentes.

  28. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 30th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    so now what– does Girardi take Arod out since hes righty

    You see Alex averaging 3 pitches per AB ?

  29. Fredo Corleone June 30th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    How many times have you actually seen him pitch?

    Once. Yesterday his fastball was a below average MLB pitch. Straight and not very fast.

    Maybe it was a bad day, but seems to me he’s another Edwar thriving in AAA because nobody down there can hit good offspeed pitches. Too soon to make any definitive judgements, so I will qualify it by saying if what we saw yesterday was what he brings, then it’s not good enough for a key bullpen role. Time will tell.

  30. raymagnetic ®™ June 30th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Fredo,

    At least you’ve qualified your statement now. I’ve never seen him pitch at all. But to definitively say what he is after one outing seems like a rush to judgement to me.

  31. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 30th, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    Maybe it was a bad day

    That’s what it was I’ve seen him on milbtv, yesterday was the worst he’s looked since his Scanton debut.

  32. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Fredo,

    Don’t make the Bill Madden mistake of immediately judging a pitcher based on 33 pitches.

    He doesn’t throw off speed pitches. His curveball is a power pitch and his fastball isn’t as straight as it was yesterday.

    He doesn’t have to pitch the 8th inning to have value to the team. He can go multiple innings and at this point, that’s more important since few of the starters go deep into games.

  33. Russell NY June 30th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Typical day in the Red Sox organization:

    “Manny Ramirez shoved Red Sox traveling secretary Jack McCormick to the ground on Saturday afternoon.
    The dispute was about his ticket allotment. Manny, who was just being Manny, wanted 16 tickets for Saturday’s game, and wasn’t pleased when told that might not be possible. A shouting match started which escalated to the shove. Manny later apologized and the Red Sox don’t expect any further discipline will be needed.” – rotoworld

  34. Joe June 30th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    From what I have heard, when Robertson is at his best, he touches 95, and has a great curveball and cutter. Let’s give him a few outings. He normally has at least an average fastball and usually better than that.

    JB Cox is not what most Yankees fans are envisioning. He throws in the 80′s with a sinker, and does not have a pitch that hitters swing and miss at.

    Pitchers that pitch to contact are not nearly as valuable in the pen. Even with a decent ERA, he is already someone you don’t want to count on with men on base, since you now the ball is going to be put in play.

    Sinker ball pitchers with low strikeout rates are much more valuable as starters.

  35. Patrickâ„¢ June 30th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    Hey guys how about we give Robertson a chance before making judgements? One run in two innings in his major league debut isn’t that bad.

  36. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 30th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Joe he use to touch 95 the most David goes now is 92 or 93.

  37. Russell NY June 30th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    “One run in two innings in his major league debut isn’t that bad.”

    Especially since his nerves brought him to 3-0 on Reyes.

  38. Russell NY June 30th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    Prediction: Gardner – 4 for 4 (all singles) with 3091473417 stolen bases.

  39. Fredo Corleone June 30th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    “The dispute was about his ticket allotment. Manny, who was just being Manny, wanted 16 tickets for Saturday’s game, and wasn’t pleased when told that might not be possible. A shouting match started which escalated to the shove. Manny later apologized and the Red Sox don’t expect any further discipline will be needed.” – rotoworld”

    Listened to the ‘EEI morning show on line and with the exception of a couple stooge apologists, Ramirez is getting roasted. Guy’s sense of entitlement is truly remarkable. Sold out game (Houston filled all three to 105% capacity) and he has the balls to demand 16 tix the afternoon of the game??? He’s on pace to go .285, 28, 90 for the year. He’s failed to pick up his game in Ortiz’s absence. You wonder if he isn’t pissing his $20M option for ’09 away.

  40. Fredo Corleone June 30th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    Joe he use to touch 95 the most David goes now is 92 or 93.

    88-90 on the TV gun yesterday. Not awful, but it was straight as hell. SJ says it’s generally not that straight.

  41. Billy June 30th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    Robertson’s curve was impacted by his nerves as was the movement on his fastball. Before busting on his fastball after one freaking game give him a chance. Look at what Newman and Nardi think about his pitching. He used to throw a slider in college but they don’t think it is necessary because of the life on his fastball.

  42. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 30th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    88-90 on the TV gun yesterday. Not awful, but it was straight as hell. SJ says it’s generally not that straight.

    He tops out at 92 – 93, yesterday you could see he was shaken, it happens, you go from AA to AAA then when you get to the show you notice the 2nd and 3rd deck on the field it effects players for some reason. And most say it’s not the fans it’s just seeing that 2nd and 3rd deck that makes you know your not in the minors anymore, I hoping for Brett’s sake he doesn’t let it effect him like it did David and Justin :lol:

  43. 27 this year June 30th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    The Yankees almost signed Inoa to a 2.7 mil deal but the agent stepped in and upped the price and now the A’s have an agreement at 4.25 mil. However, he cant sign till Wednesday.

  44. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    He doesn’t throw 95 anymore because he couldn’t spot his fastball on both sides of the plate when he threw that hard.

    He did what a lot of young pitchers fail to do. Lose some velocity for more movement and location.

    When you add to it a curveball that is almost unhittable when its on, his stuff is more than good enough to get big league hitters out.

    If the back end of the Yankee bullpen features Robertson, a sprinkling of Edwar, Veras and Farnsworth (I still wish they could find a real lefty specialist) in front of Mo, that’s more than good enough to win.

    If they could get Bruney back after the AS Break, all the better.

    The issues that need to be solved is finding another starting pitcher and getting more consistent production out of the offense. The bullpen has been good for most of the season and is upgraded right now.

    If they can shore up the other weaknesses of the team, they could be primed to make a good run at this.

  45. 27 this year June 30th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    The Yankees almost signed Inoa to a 2.7mil contract but the agent stepped in and upped the price where now the A’s have an agreement at 4.25mil but Inoa has to wait till Wed to sign

  46. Billy June 30th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    As for Cox, velocity was never his trademark.

    From CJ

    I asked Newman if Cox had lost any velocity since the Tommy John surgery and Newman said he has not. He’s 88-89, which is where Newman said the Yankees had Cox when he was coming out of Texas. I’m not saying the guy hasn’t touched 92 or 93 at times, but his fastball sits 88-89. And it’s working just fine

  47. 27 this year June 30th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Wow, Patterson’s debut was the same and after that everyone pretty much turned on him too.

  48. 27 this year June 30th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    Cox is off the DL right?

    If yes, that means he will be called up after 10 or so more innings at AAA when we know he is healthy.

  49. Rishi June 30th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    Question – do you all know who is pitching against the Red Sox in the Thursday (7/3) game? My friend just won tickets in her office’s lottery and is giving them to me :)

  50. 27 this year June 30th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    I hope Gardner provides that same spark Melky did. Remember? That is what turned our season around, Melky just being young and Gardner, although not a stud, his speed can help the offense. Plus, speed never goes into a slump which means he will be consistent hopefully around 280

  51. Girardi to the DL June 30th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Funny. Two players now have thrown other members in their organization to the ground. One gets dropped the other stays with fans excusing him for being Manny.

    Manny also slapped Youkilis.

    At what point do you as a team draw a line and say enough? If A-Rod acted like that he would be treated like he is a scum. Rightly so. If Manny does this its fine?

    I know Manny is a better player for the RS than Chacon was, but what both of them did was assault. How can the RS excuse this behavior from Manny?

  52. pat June 30th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Rishi

    Should be Andy.

  53. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    You know what’s funny if Robi can continue to tear the baseball up and Alex be Alex, ‘Stache produce and Jetes step up could our eyes see on a Bobby Abreu rest day Gardner, Melky and Christian in the OF ?

  54. Billy June 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    Cox was only on the 7-day DL for SWB with a tired shoulder. He was bad in his last outing against Buffalo so a callup in that timeframe is not likely.

  55. Brent (This Damon Guy's For Real, Huh?) June 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    I said it earlier and I’m going to say it again: If the Yankees give Farnsworth every opportunity under the sun to become even a mediocre pitcher, then everyone should calm down about Robertson. He pitched 2 innings and gave up one run due to a sac. fly. It wasn’t the end of the world. Call me crazy, but with Ohlendorf being sent down as well as Hawkins/Farnsworth being as bad as they are, I’m willing to give the guy more than a blink..as should everyone else.

  56. Fredo Corleone June 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    Plus, speed never goes into a slump which means he will be consistent hopefully around 280

    Tell that to Ellsbury (miserable June), Gomez, and Michael Bourn.

    I like the call up, but as Peter suggested last night, he could be overmatched at this level. Lot of K’s for a guy who’s most significant attribute is speed. Of course, it ain’t exactly Palmer, Cuellar and McNally that he’ll see against the Rangers, so he’s got a nice opportunity to get off to a good start.

  57. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    or Damon, Melky, Gardner/Christian ?

  58. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    “Pitchers that pitch to contact are not nearly as valuable in the pen. Even with a decent ERA, he is already someone you don’t want to count on with men on base, since you now the ball is going to be put in play.”

    pitchers who get people out are valuable anywhere.

    if Cox gets people out, he will help.

    if you don’t want to bring him in with men on base, you can use him to start off innings.

    there is plenty of room in this bullpen for someone who can get lots of groundballs. no one is suggesting he will become the closer (actually a lot of people have suggested that in the past, but that is not the role i am talking about him for this now).

  59. Rishi June 30th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    Thanks, Pat – just found that on Yankees.com (it’s Pettitte – Lester)…winnable :)

    I’m so excited – now that’s a nice way to start the week

  60. Fredo Corleone June 30th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    “I know Manny is a better player for the RS than Chacon was, but what both of them did was assault. How can the RS excuse this behavior from Manny?”

    Same way every other team in baseball would. If you produce, you stay.

  61. Girardi to the DL June 30th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    Fredo, that doesn’t make it right. There are plenty of sports where that action would get you a suspension from the team. Chacon is probably done in baseball. Manny should, at the very least, be suspended by his team for such actions.

    I would hope that the Yankees would do that if say Jeter or A-Rod or Cano pulled something like that. Wrong is wrong, no matter how well someone swings a bat.

  62. Girardi to the DL June 30th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    If Gardner can lay down a decent bunt, he might show his worth just by doing that.

  63. Billy June 30th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Brett can def. lay them down so if he’s not hitting he still can add value to the lineup. Maybe Robi should take note?

  64. MoBoy(aka McLovin) June 30th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    But unlike Chacon Manny is gettimg paid $20 million they aren’t gonna let him be suspened too long or like Chacon be released.Look at Giambi we couldn’t release him and he’s contract no matter how much steroids he took.

    It’s business.He should be suspended though.And the Red Sox are at fault too for letting Manny do what ever he weants and look the other way.

  65. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    Brandon,

    Christian will most likely be sent down today for Gardner.

    I doubt the Yankees will keep Gardner and Christian on the roster at the same time.

  66. Hideki Balboni June 30th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Moose on three days’ rest? He’s gonna get hammered.

  67. Rishi June 30th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    He threw about 50 pitches the last time out…

  68. Rishi June 30th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    He threw about 50 pitches the last time out…

  69. DaveJ June 30th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    I’m going to my first regular season Yankees game on Friday (I saw an exhibition game against the Dbacks a few years ago). I was wondering if is still being said that Rasner will be starting that game? I’m assuming so, cause it will be 5 days since his last start. I am assuming pettite will be going thursday?

  70. Girardi to the DL June 30th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    I’m not saying that Manny should be released, but when you look at the two incidents, the only difference is it was assault against a lowly person vs. the GM. That should warrent a suspension at the very least.

    This is the second altercation involving him this season. Fining him means very little, a suspension sends a message to the whole team, not suspending him for those actions sends a message as well, and not a good one.

  71. Francis The Praying Mantis June 30th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Hey, it’s just Manny being Manny. You cant fault him for any of his actions because of this…its his get out everything card.

  72. Rishi June 30th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Dave – yankees.com shows that game to be Rasner v. Beckett…

  73. Girardi to the DL June 30th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Rasner vs. Beckett? That sounds promising. :roll:

  74. DaveJ June 30th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Rishi,

    Thanks

  75. Dan June 30th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Sweep? I wouldn’t count on it.

    This will be the first legit test of Joba as a starter – the highest scoring offense in the league. (His second test will come on Sunday against the Sox, the second highest scoring offense in the league). Add in to that Ponson, who could just as easily be so amped up playing the team that released him that he’ll get hammered, and Mussina, whose stuff doesn’t scare anyone any longer. I mean, does anyone fear facing Jamey Moyer? No, they just hope that they don’t get embarrassed. And how long has it been since Mussina gave up a 1/2 dozen runs? He’s overdue for a stinker and its more likely to come against a great hitting team.

    Yanks should be ecstatic to win the series. A sweep would probably necessitate a minimum of 30 runs scored, for 10-9, 10-6 and 10-8 wins.

  76. Girardi to the DL June 30th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    I wonder if we’ll hear anything about Manny on the Nation Sports Network AKA ESPN.

  77. Rishi June 30th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    FYI – new post up after the Bobby Murcer post…

  78. Joe June 30th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    hmmm, I agree that getting outs consistently will add value to a team.

    Without a swing and miss pitch (Trevor Hoffman changeup), extraordinay movement (Greg Maddux), top of the line command (Ben Sheets), or great velocity (Valverde), you have an extremely small margin for error which is why you don’t often see sustained success without one of those four.

    He could be valuable if he were a long man, or if like you say he starts innings. It is very hard to have a relief pitcher that you can’t be confident in if there are runners on. You can’t normally script when a bullpen arm comes in the game.

    I hope he does well, but my original point is that I think fans have the wrong idea about what Cox can do for this team.

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