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Yankees to call up Gardner

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 30, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

According to an article in his hometown paper, the Yankees have called up OF Brett Gardner. A second source confirmed it at 1 a.m.

Gardner was at .287/.412/.429 through 80 games for Scranton. He had three homers, 29 RBI and 34 stolen bases.

It’s too late to call Brian Cashman for further information on this. That will come later today.

It’s uncertain what the corresponding move will be. Joe Girardi said today that they planned to keep three catchers.

I don’t believe anybody is injured, but that is certainly possible. The Yankees have no apparent use for Alberto Gonzalez. Gardner also could replace Justin Christian.

Girardi said today that he planned to use Wilson Betemit as the DH in place in Hideki Matsui. But Gardner would be an intriguing No. 9 hitter because of his speed.

Or maybe the Yankees simply aren’t thrilled with Melky Cabrera (.249/.315/.357) in center field. Cabrera has been regressing offensively for the last two seasons and was 2 for 16 in the Mets series.

UPDATE, 1:19 p.m.: This is a very interesting move on several fronts. Gardner is the kind of outfielder the Yankees usually don’t have in that his best weapon is his speed and ability to get on base

Gardner is an aggressive type of player, the kind of guy who purposely slaps it on the ground, beats the throw to first, steals second and scores on a single. Gardner is charitably listed at 5-10, 180 and was a walk-on as a freshman at the College of Charleston. By his senior year he hit .447 and led his team to 48 wins and into the NCAA tournament.

I watched him play a lot in spring training and at Scranton a few weeks ago. There’s a chance he’ll get overmatched. But there’s also a chance he’ll add a burst of energy into the offense. I would imagine he’s coming up to play, otherwise they’re stunting his development.

 
 

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287 Responses to “Yankees to call up Gardner”

  1. Mike June 30th, 2008 at 1:04 am

    This will be huge. Kid is a stud.

  2. JetsDaily June 30th, 2008 at 1:05 am

    I love Melky, but thank goodness.

  3. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 1:09 am

    YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

  4. Buddy Biancalana June 30th, 2008 at 1:09 am

    Could Melky be AAA bound? Most likely, it’s AG or Christian.

  5. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 1:10 am

    First Robertson now Gardner? Melancon isnt far away I hope.

  6. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 1:11 am

    I wouldnt doubt Rasner going down and someone coming up friday to replace him

  7. Potch June 30th, 2008 at 1:12 am

    I know he has good AAA numbers, and I hope he is good for the big club. I love Melky and his enthusiasm, but a move needs to be made as he is the weakest link in the batting order. (Cano’s numbers may not be batter, but the man has hit .300 twice, so he gets some slack in my eyes.)

    Truthfully, I think the (secret) reason they have kept playing Melky this long instead of giving Gardner and/or Christian a shot is they have been hoping for him to catch fire and use him as trade bait.

    I guess bringing up Christian then Gardner should be seen by Melky as a warning shot. Start performing, or start sitting.

    That all said, good luck Brett!

  8. Eugie June 30th, 2008 at 1:14 am

    “Girardi said today that he planned to use Wilson Betemit as the DH in place in Hideki Matsui.”

    Wait.. What?

  9. myrtlebeachfan June 30th, 2008 at 1:14 am

    There is no way that Melky is headed down.

    He’s proven himself in the past and is a great defensive player. Our best arm in the outfield. He has to really blow it this season to be sent down. .220 and maybe theyll do it.

    He has plenty of time to make things right and he’s a better player than Gardner right now. It’s just a fact.

  10. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 1:15 am

    I dont even care if this is a “Your job is on the line” call up for Melky. If this pushes Melky to a hot streak, im all for it. But Cash said to Max Kellerman last month that Brett ISNT coming up to sit the bench he is here to play

  11. raymagnetic June 30th, 2008 at 1:15 am

    “This will be huge. Kid is a stud.”

    No he really isn’t a stud.

  12. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 1:20 am

    Dont sh. it on Gardner ray, he is good. and could very well excel in the majors. Look how Boston is winning. Speed. I think we may be going along the same lines. This kids slugging is going to be very nice, can turn singles into doubles, and singles into SBs. I see him scoring some runs in the 9 hole with Damon hitting

  13. Kel June 30th, 2008 at 1:22 am

    Gardner’s legs are his strength. He’s the fastest baserunner in the organization,[6] has 80 speed on a 20-80 scale, and has solid baserunning instincts. He’s adept at picking spots, knowing when it’s more valuable to the team for him to use the threat of a stolen base to get the pitcher to throw fastballs to the heart of the order.

    He has outstanding plate discipline, draws a good number of walks, and uses the whole field while making consistent, hard contact. Baseball America rated him as having the best strike zone discipline in the Yankees minor league system after the close of the 2006 season.

    His speed and excellent sense in the outfield translate to an outstanding defensive game, among the best in the Yankee farm system. His arm is average, though fairly accurate.

    As Gardner has not demonstrated much power, he does not fit into the typical Yankee profile for outfielders

  14. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 June 30th, 2008 at 1:23 am

    LoHud with the scoop.

    Whatever happens, it will be interesting. Either way, as Keith Law said earlier, he’s probably just fieldwarming for A Jackson

  15. mark June 30th, 2008 at 1:23 am

    what makes you say that, ray?

  16. DFox June 30th, 2008 at 1:27 am

    I would think he could be the starting LF. I mean Damon doesn’t really offer anything in LF, so I think he would be better off as the DH. I’m sorry, there’s no place for Betimit to be starting as the DH. He’s good for a PH or a game or two, but he shouldn’t be the starting DH.

  17. raymagnetic June 30th, 2008 at 1:28 am

    “Dont sh. it on Gardner ray, he is good. and could very well excel in the majors. Look how Boston is winning. Speed.”

    Riiiight, Boston is winning with speed. Don’t let the fact that they lead the majors in just about every offensive category cloud your judgement there buddy.

    They are 1 and 2 in OBP, BA, and slugging. I think that has ALOT to do with them winning. That’s just me though.

    And no, Brett Gardner is not a stud. Jay Bruce is a stud. Josh Hamilton is a stud. Brett Gardner is a singles hitter who strikes out a lot.

  18. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 1:29 am

    Dfox, if you have seen, or heard Damon, he doesnt like DH because he gets out of rhythem hitting wise. Matsui was unfazed by the DH role. Also, Gardner strikes out alot and walks, so I dont see him as having good plate disapline. But if he walks, he will probably steal

  19. raymagnetic June 30th, 2008 at 1:30 am

    “This kids slugging is going to be very nice, can turn singles into doubles, and singles into SBs.”

    His slugging? LMAO. He has no power whatsoever.

  20. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 1:31 am

    I didnt say he was a stud, I said he is good.

    Any update on a arrival date of AJax? 2009? or still 2010?

  21. PreteFunkEra June 30th, 2008 at 1:31 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI7Pvc-ZJe0

  22. YankeesTech June 30th, 2008 at 1:32 am

    People please don’t overhype the kid. You are only setting yourselfs up for disappointment.

  23. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 1:32 am

    Do you read Ray? This is the 2nd time I have to repeat myself.

    HE CAN TURN SINGLE INTO DOUBLES AND IS ALSO A GAP HITTER. He doesnt have to hit HRs to have a good SLG pct

  24. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 1:34 am

    Gardner has a .435 SLG
    Melky has a .357 SLG

  25. Sal June 30th, 2008 at 1:34 am

    Ray you are looking too much into his HR number of 3. You have to also look at his Doubles of 11 and Triples of 10. We don’t need a slugger. This kid is going to come in here work the count, get on base (hopefully), and steal some bases. His OPS is a very solid .841. Have to think this is a move for CF and this becoming a competition between Melky and Brett.

  26. raymagnetic June 30th, 2008 at 1:34 am

    “I didnt say he was a stud, I said he is good.”

    You responding to my post saying he isn’t a stud. Therefore I thought you agreed that he is a stud.

    By the way, I hope he does well in the Bronx. The better he does the better the Yankees will be.

    However a lot of people are really acting like this kid is some sort of savior and I think A LOT of people are going to be disappointed.

  27. Nick in SF June 30th, 2008 at 1:35 am

    Well, none of us really knows what he can or will do in the bigs, do we?

    It’ll be interesting, that’s for sure.

    (didn’t the TandD get the scoop?)

  28. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 1:36 am

    That video shows how ridiculously fast he is.

  29. raymagnetic June 30th, 2008 at 1:36 am

    “Gardner has a .435 SLG
    Melky has a .357 SLG”

    One is in AAA one is in the Majors. Big difference no?

    “HE CAN TURN SINGLE INTO DOUBLES AND IS ALSO A GAP HITTER. He doesnt have to hit HRs to have a good SLG pct”

    I don’t think I ever mentioned anything about him hitting HR’s. He’s slugging .435 in AAA. What do you think that’ll translate to in the majors when he’s facing better pitchers?

  30. raymagnetic June 30th, 2008 at 1:38 am

    “Well, none of us really knows what he can or will do in the bigs, do we?

    It’ll be interesting, that’s for sure.”

    This is true. I have no idea what he’ll do.

  31. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 1:39 am

    Its not like were saying he is the next Jay Bruce, were saying, this kid can bring a spark to the lineup that we havent had. Melky isnt a threat on the basepaths. Who would you take

    Participant A: Gets a Single, stays on first, Damon singles, Man stays at 3rd

    Participant B: Gets a Single, steals second, Damon singles, Man scores easily

    I realize everytime he gets on he wont steal, but I like the odds when he does

    Damon with a .300+ average has a better chance getting a man on 2nd home than a man on 1st

  32. CaptainsCorner June 30th, 2008 at 1:39 am

    I really hope that this is true. The move will probably be Christian. Gardner should play LF a couple of days, Damon DH. This way Damon can let his foot heal. I don’t think anyone expects Gardner to be great, but lets be serious Melky is not the answer. Sooner or later Melky is going to have to produce or someone else will take his spot. He is not going to keep his position on only defense and hitting .240. This is the Yanks not the Royals. Gardner can’t be any worse then he has been. Yanks probably want to see what Gardner can do on the major leaguer level and if he produces Melky better watch his back because he has been given plenty of time.

  33. DFox June 30th, 2008 at 1:39 am

    David Robertson for Setup, then I guess he would be DHing… Because if Damon has to have the LF spot, then I can’t see him playing the field. There’s no way they are sitting Melky for him, and they can’t sit Abreu, so I don’t really see where else he would get a chance to play every day.

  34. Nick in SF June 30th, 2008 at 1:42 am

    It would be great if he would be the next Lenny Bruce and/or Bruce Lee.

    He could both lighten up and straighted out the clubhouse.

    Maybe Gardner will play center and they’ll DH Melky. Let him flourish into an offensive powerhouse.

  35. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 1:44 am

    I agree with letting Melky take DH to learn to hit again because he is getting to Cano level. Its not like Melky has saved any games with throwing anyone out this year anyway. And no one at home.

  36. mark June 30th, 2008 at 1:45 am

    watching that video, I have to say, Gardner has a peanut shaped head

  37. JDog June 30th, 2008 at 1:46 am

    i think gardner will add a dimension that hasnt been seen in the bronx for awhile-speed. all he needs to do is get on base and let his legs do the talking

  38. mel June 30th, 2008 at 1:47 am

    I don’t see why they would bring up Christian for 2 series, then send him down and call up Christian.

    Logical move is Gonzo, who’s growing roots on the bench. We have injured outfielders, so we need more, more, more!

  39. mel June 30th, 2008 at 1:48 am

    oops, *then call up Gardner*

  40. stuart June 30th, 2008 at 1:48 am

    give up on Melky he is almost 24 it is over he should retire.. I have no problem giving Gardner a try but that is a try. He can play some LF and some CF.. I assume they send down CHrisitan but in reality if they kept both that would be OK also in the short term.. Don’t they have to many pitchers on the roster???they have 7 guys in the pen… giese long man, hawkins(who knows why), robertson, veras, mo, farnsworth, and Edwar…

    I got a idea how about DFA Hawkins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  41. mark June 30th, 2008 at 1:49 am

    “scrappy type of player” = dustin pedroia

  42. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 1:50 am

    Will he be there tomorrow, or is this basically just an imminant move just not yet?

  43. CaptainsCorner June 30th, 2008 at 1:50 am

    “Girardi said today that he planned to use Wilson Betemit as the DH in place in Hideki Matsui”

    I know that Girardi loves to show trust and confidence in his players but please do not give us fans that BS line about Betemit.

  44. DFox June 30th, 2008 at 1:50 am

    Yeah that would be great if they DFA’s Hawkins. It has to come sooner or later.

  45. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 1:51 am

    Yeah, I wouldnt say Gardner is scrappy, but he does bring speed to the Yanks for the first time in a long time

  46. S.A.- No pain..no gain! I still believe in this team June 30th, 2008 at 1:52 am

    From that video clip-He is fast and he does have nice blue eyes. :P

    Let’s just see what happens with him up here. Wishing him all the best.

  47. stuart June 30th, 2008 at 1:52 am

    little fast white guys = scrappy player…

    kinda like heady player…

    why can’t michael bourn be scrappy or taveras on Colorado etc.????

    little white guys get the gutty, heady, scrapppy label…

  48. Nick in SF June 30th, 2008 at 1:52 am

    The idea is to have a scrappy player, not a player with scraps of hair on his head.

  49. mark June 30th, 2008 at 1:55 am

    Stuart is right, Melky is over the hill. trade him to LA, Torre loves grizzled vets.

    Gardner could be another Mickey Rivers (sans killer fro and gambling problem).

  50. CaptainsCorner June 30th, 2008 at 1:59 am

    “I don’t see why they would bring up Christian for 2 series, then send him down and call up Christian.”

    Girardi said that they were facing 5 lefties in a row, so they did not want to bring up another lefty. Also Matsui was still on the roster so every outfielder would of been lefties. Christian isn’t really a prospect he was just a fill in and they wouldn’t be stunting his growth if he sat for a couple of days.

  51. Nick in SF June 30th, 2008 at 1:59 am

    Mickey Rivers’ wife was hilarious.

    At least on “The Bronx is Burning”.

  52. Will to the M June 30th, 2008 at 2:14 am

    Wrong Pete, the player that makes contract the best is A-rod.

    I let typos go usually, I know you type thousands of words a day, but when I can make a corny joke out of it, watch out!

    It’s finally great to have speed on the roster, especially with the decline in SBs this year (though that has been picking up a bit). It makes the offense instantly more dangerous and takes a bit of pressure off of waiting for that big hit to score. This is one thing that I *gulp* envy those red sux for doing so well with big papi out.

  53. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 2:14 am

    How many people think Gardner will succeed? Im not comparing the 2, but he has been compared to Jacoby

  54. YankeesTech June 30th, 2008 at 2:20 am

    Quick, Someone needs to post minor league stats comparing Jacoby and Gardner!!!

  55. andy Hawkin's ghost June 30th, 2008 at 2:23 am

    I seriously doubt they’ll demote Melky. It will be interesting to see how he (Melky) responds. We need a spark in the lineup and I pray that it is Gardner. The ’08 developmental campaign continues. It’s been a frustrating season but it will pay dividends in ’09.

  56. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 2:24 am

    http://minors.baseball-referen.....i?pid=4378

    http://minors.baseball-referen.....i?pid=5277

  57. Yazman (David) June 30th, 2008 at 2:26 am

    Gardner’s not a “can’t miss” player. But he could prove terrific. Here’s his chance.

    Maybe he’ll rotate positions a bit — sometimes in LF (like Matsui did), sometimes spelling Melky in CF, backup Abreu on rare occasion, sometimes DH.

    But Peter’s right, it wouldn’t be good for the kid to come up and sit.

  58. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 2:27 am

    I would say those numbers are similar, but maybe its just the homer in me?

  59. Nico June 30th, 2008 at 2:27 am

    He also looks like the guy from CSI:

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=458731

  60. Yazman (David) June 30th, 2008 at 2:31 am

    Elsbury’s last three minor league seasons:

    .816 OPS
    Stole 105 bases in 132 tries
    .314 Avg

    Gardner:
    .774 OPS
    Stole 148 out of 178
    .289 Avg

  61. mel June 30th, 2008 at 2:31 am

    Who was called a pest? Gardner or Jackson? I think it was Gardner.

  62. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 2:34 am

    Elsbury’s last three minor league seasons:
    .816 OPS
    Stole 105 bases in 132 tries
    .314 Avg
    Gardner:
    .774 OPS
    Stole 148 out of 178
    .289 Avg
    -
    -
    -
    -
    I would call those close. Ellsbury is a leadoff man, Gardner is a 9th hitter.

  63. Phil June 30th, 2008 at 2:41 am

    Gardner made an adjustment in the AFL last fall and is no longer a slappy hitter. He does use his speed but his ld% and slg. have been way up as he has taken to driving the ball more.

  64. Mike June 30th, 2008 at 2:46 am

    Gardner’s minor league stats convey that every time he gets bumped up a level in the minors he struggles initially. The following year he adjusts well to the level and puts up .800+ OPS. I see Gardner as Ellsbury lite.

  65. tim boat June 30th, 2008 at 2:47 am

    I doubt he’s taking the place of Melky Cabrera. He’ll probably slide into left and put Damon at DH. People here make a big deal about Melky Cabrera and his bat and it’s not really a big deal. He’s a serviceable offensive player and a solid defensive outfielder. Most Yankee fans are upset whenever someone isn’t putting up all star numbers and scream for a replacement.

  66. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 2:49 am

    Again, unless you want Damon to struggle again, Damon is staying in LF. He has stated it before, its not like its speculation.

  67. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2008 at 2:51 am

    Some of you people need to get through your heads that Gardner is not a stud as the first poster said. He’s not going to do a Mary Tyler Moore and “turn the world on with a smile”. He can help on defense and he can run. Will he hit? Who knows? Hopefully, he provides a little more on offense than NYY has received from Cabrera, over the last two months. Before anyone annoints him as the odds on favorite as ROY, or calls him the next Mickey Rivers, lets just wait to see what the guy does with his chances.

  68. stuart June 30th, 2008 at 2:52 am

    I think Melky is actually younger then Gardner and in his 3rd yr. in the show…

    Melky is still very young…

  69. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2008 at 2:57 am

    And his offense is regressing. What’s your point. I don’t care if he’s 45 years old as long as he does the job better.

  70. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 3:04 am

    I dont think anyone called him a stud other than the first post. Like someone said, hes a stop gap for Jackson. That or some other team has their eye on him or Melky

  71. mel June 30th, 2008 at 3:07 am

    I think this has more to do with Hideki and Damon than with Melky.

  72. Patrick Bateman June 30th, 2008 at 3:11 am

    Getting a little ahead of yourself with Jackson. He’s got a couple of years in the minors to go. Its not like he’s dominating Trenton.

    With Melky and Gardner its one or the other. There isn’t a future for both of them with this team. Melky’s below average offensive numbers are ok if he’s a CFer. Melky’s numbers are unacceptable for a corner outfielder.

    We have a light hitting outfield as it is, either Melky or Gardner is trade bait.

  73. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2008 at 3:22 am

    I was pointing out that in the postings over the last few days, Gardner has been called everything from a stud, to the next Mickey Rivers to the future to the savior. All I’m saying is, although it’s good to hope, don’t get carried away. If he does well, the Yanks will win, but, the first time Gardner stumbles, the same people screaming to have him brought up, will be screaming to “unload this bum). You’re already seeing that with Geise, Christian and every other player who hasn’t been perfect in every at bat or with every pitch. You even saw it today with Robertson, and it will happen to Melancon, too. If you enjoy screaming and whining..suit yourself, but, please refrain from subjecting everyone else to your Jose Reyes temper tantrums. Stuart Little’s first posts after a failure by Gardner should be priceless, though. He’s always good for a laugh in the first couple of rants.

  74. Wes June 30th, 2008 at 3:26 am

    I think this means Damon will be seeing some time at DH while Matsui is on the DL

    Tomorrow’s lineup prediction:

    DH Damon
    SS Jeter
    RF Abreu
    3B Rodriguez
    1B Giambi
    C Posada
    2B Cano
    CF Cabrera
    LF Gardner

  75. What June 30th, 2008 at 3:27 am

    River Ave Blues is saying they found the article at The Times and Democrat.

  76. mel June 30th, 2008 at 3:27 am

    It pains me to say this, but who would want either one? If a trade’s going to happen (big if), young RH pitching would go because a)there’s a surplus of it and b)we need outfielders-now. I don’t think they’ll trade OF for outfielders. At least not Melky or Gardner. Jackson and Tabata would be coveted, but I can’t see the Yankees letting either one go.

  77. number18 June 30th, 2008 at 3:38 am

    maybe they’ll be putting abreu in the dh spot and using gardner/christian in right field…

    at least thats what i hope… betemit isnt good enough to be the yankees consistent dh

  78. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 3:40 am

    For the 3rd time, Damon has come out and said he plays worse when playing DH. If anything I see them trying Abreu at DH. And I pray to God Girardi doesnt put the B team out there for Joba on tuesday.

  79. Joel June 30th, 2008 at 4:13 am

    Damon can say whatever he likes. But if his foot is barking , he’s gonna DH some of the time. It just makes sense not to run down Damon in the field. As it was, Matsui was playing there twice or three times a week before his knee started causing trouble. Figure Gardner to play left two or three times a week, CF once a week, and DH once or twice a week.

    It’s not brain surgery.

  80. Fran June 30th, 2008 at 6:37 am

    I really hope that Gardner does well but lets wait and see him play first. Most on this blog were writing the same things about Shelly Duncan and how did that work out?

  81. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 6:47 am

    Shelley Duncan is def no Gardner

    Did you hear what happened? Manny Ramirez asked for 16 tickets for yesterdays game from someone in the organization and he said it was too late, and Manny says “do your f’n job” and pushes him to the ground. Sound familier from last week? Yet “No more disciplinary action will be taken”

  82. JK June 30th, 2008 at 6:53 am

    I would be quite satisfied with…

    .270 avg, .350 obp, .400 slg, .750 ops, 25 sb

  83. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 6:55 am

    ^^ I would be VERY satisfied with those numbers for a 9th hitter.

  84. JK June 30th, 2008 at 7:02 am

    David Robertson for setup,

    I think those are realistic expectations for Gardner. He won’t be a superstar, but this team needs guys that hustle every play and create Havok on the bases like him.

    Melky isn’t providing any of that energy from last year. He’s not hitting doubles or triples or stealing bases like last year. Gardner has a solid accurate arm and has more range than Ellsbury in CF.

    You dont need slugging allstars all over the field, I remember this team winning championships with Knoblach and Chad Curtis in the lineup.

  85. RhapsodyInBlue June 30th, 2008 at 7:06 am

    Funny, I suggested this very move Saturday (Christian sent down for Gardner), and was told by many posters why it wouldn’t happen.

  86. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 7:09 am

    This kid is going to be alot better than most think. Stolen bases and speed does alot for a team That has about 4-5 players above or hovering around .300

  87. RhapsodyInBlue June 30th, 2008 at 7:18 am

    It’s just a small step, but he will be an improvement over Christian and it will improve the team on the whole.

    Robertson and Gardner, I’m excited.

  88. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 7:21 am

    Well Christian didnt get much of a shot. And maybe Melancon before the ASB.

  89. EricVA June 30th, 2008 at 7:26 am

    Not to disagree with everybody’s Gardner celebration but if you read Cashman’s comments, Melancon will probably spend the rest of the year in AAA. Now, I know it all depends on need (and things could change) but I think there are a few people ahead of him if the need arises.

  90. Bad Scooter June 30th, 2008 at 7:27 am

    Sorry to disappoint Melky haters, this move has nothing to do with Melky. Gardner is not up if Matsui isn’t DL’d. The only reason Christian was called up first was because we were playing at NL parks and no DH and we were facing a ton of lefties.

    Now Gardner gets his chance to show what he has while Matsui is on the DL. Hope he provides a spark.

  91. JK June 30th, 2008 at 7:29 am

    I think you see Melancon in September. After Hughes & Kennedy only throwing 30 something innings in AAA before being rushed to the majors, they are going to be extra slow with Melancon.
    He’s working on developing his changeup and AA is where he should be right now until that pitch is ready.

  92. EricVA June 30th, 2008 at 7:30 am

    You know who I think of when I look at Gardner’s numbers? Bubba Crosby.

    I know that Gardner has shown more hitting ability in the minors but still that’s what he projects to right now.

  93. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 7:41 am

    Gardner doesn’t project to be Bubba Crosby to anybody who is in the projection business.

    As another poster correctly stated, this has to do with Matsui’s injury (and Damon playing hurt) more than it does with Melky.

    Scranton put Gardner in LF again the other night when Matsui was put on the DL. Probably in anticipation of this move.

    Since they are facing righties 6 of the next 7 games (as opposed to all the lefties they faced recently, which is why they called up Christian), this is as good a time as any to see what they have in Gardner. Hope the kid makes the most of his chance. If he can, he will help the offense.

    Gotta love Bill Madden this morning. Already decided based on ONE appearance, his first ML appearance no less, David Robertson “isn’t the answer” (his quote) for the bullpen.

    And we wonder how posters on blogs can be so ignorant. Here is the lead baseball columnist for a major market newspaper acting the same way a 12 year old poster would act. Amazing.

  94. JK June 30th, 2008 at 7:41 am

    EricVa,

    Crosby was 26 before he got a call up to the majors

    Crosby had a 73% career stolen base % and never more than 27
    Gardner has a 84% career stolen base % and has stolen 50+

    Crosby had a 346 career minor league obp
    Gardner has a 390 career minor league obp

    Crosby has below average range in CF
    Gardner has way above average range in CF

  95. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 7:44 am

    good for Brett. he’s played well and he’s earned his shot. now lets hope he continues to do the little things necessary to stick around and get his playing time.

    i’m definately interested to see the kid play, and see what he brings to the table.

  96. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 7:47 am

    people need to stop with the Gardner and Ellsbury comparisons. they arent the same player, and Gardner doesnt project to be as good as Ellsbury.

    how about people lay off in railing him about how he’s not a stud, and on the other side relax with the Jacoby Ellsbury comparisons, and lets just see the kid play for a week or two.

  97. EricVA June 30th, 2008 at 7:47 am

    Ha! Sorry I was just trying to annoy the whole “Gardner is the answer” crowd.

    I still believe (and this is only my opinion) that Melky is the better player in the long run but what do I know.

    I do know it’ll be interesting reading the comments over the next few days depending on what Gardner does.

  98. BOB June 30th, 2008 at 7:54 am

    I think this will be a great lineup:

    LF Damon
    SS Jeter
    Dh Abreu
    3B Rodriguez
    1B Giambi
    C Posada
    2B Cano
    RF Christian
    CF Gardner

    I think this gives Melky a bit of a scare, whilst Damon still get to play in LF (as he requasted) and we all know that nothing to terrible is happening to the Yankee Defense with Abreu DHing…..
    Hope Gonzalez gets DFA`d (though the Yankees to need a back up Infileder)

  99. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 7:56 am

    i wasnt around last night, has anyone heard from Brandon since word about Inoa came down last night to see if he’s ok? i’m a little worried that we’re going to need to talk him off the ledge today…

  100. Fredo Corleone June 30th, 2008 at 7:57 am

    Tomorrow’s lineup prediction:

    DH Damon
    SS Jeter
    RF Abreu
    3B Rodriguez
    1B Giambi
    C Posada
    2B Cano
    CF Cabrera
    LF Gardner

    Mussina’s pitching. Molina will likely catch w/ Posada at DH. I think maybe Cabrera gets the night off.

  101. Fredo Corleone June 30th, 2008 at 7:58 am

    Turn Two:

    He was bummed but didn’t want to talk about last night.

  102. johnny7 June 30th, 2008 at 8:00 am

    ”Cabrera has been regressing offensively for the last two seasons and was 2 for 16 in the Mets series.”

    Bingo… you finally hit it! As soon as ‘Milky’ steps into the box… he acts like he’s in the Twilight Zone. Overpowered by fastballs… and fooled on the breaking stuff… for all his playing time, at the plate he hasn’t matured.

  103. Mickey Rivers June 30th, 2008 at 8:00 am

    There is nothing wrong with having speed on the basepaths. Pitchers get distracted and lose focus. Less than average catchers overthrow to bases. Teammates see better pitches to hit. Double plays are not a given. Infielders have to hurry throws.

  104. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 8:02 am

    Gonzalez isn’t getting DFA’ed, nor should he.

    Why would you look to release your best backup infielder?

    They will send Christian down for Gardner. Its a simple enough move.

    TurnTwo is right. Folks just need to chill out and give the kid a chance to play. Enough with projections and all that nonsense.

    You don’t want to end up like Bill Madden. Projecting someone’s career after one inning. As he did this morning with David Robertson.

  105. DMan77 June 30th, 2008 at 8:08 am

    It adds a whole new element to the Yankees game. It’s another thing that opposing teams have to worry about.

    I sort of expect Gardner to strikeout quite a bit in his first couple games, but I think he’ll adjust and end up helping us a lot this year.

  106. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 8:09 am

    Why all the Gardner hate?

  107. * * THEE BOSTON BUGLE * * June 30th, 2008 at 8:12 am

    Manny Ramirez was reportedly involved in a physical incident in the Red Sox clubhouse this past weekend in Houston, but unlike his scuffle with teammate Kevin Youkilis earlier this month, this past altercation was with a Red Sox employee.

    According to a report by Sean McAdam in today’s Providence Journal, Ramirez shoved Red Sox traveling secretary Jack McCormick to the ground in Houston in an argument over Ramirez’ ticket allotment of 16 for Saturday night’s game.

    McAdam reported that several onlookers moved quickly to separate the Ramirez and McCormick, a former Boston police officer who has been the Sox’ traveling secretary since 1996.

    When McCormick cautioned Ramirez that he might not be able to fulfill his request, Ramirez responded by shouting: “Just do your job!”
    An argument insued (sic) and Ramirez pushed McCormick, sending him to the ground.

    Later, the two met behind closed doors and Ramirez apologized to McCormick, who accepted the gesture. No further disciplinary action is expected against Ramirez.

  108. Bryan (Yankees fan) June 30th, 2008 at 8:15 am

    yup they are sending Rasner down

    so good insight there

  109. TKinDC June 30th, 2008 at 8:15 am

    Bad News from mlbtraderumors.com re Inoa –

    According to John Manuel of Baseball America, the A’s have reached an agreement with 16 year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa. He’ll receive a $4.25MM signing bonus, a record for an international amateur (excluding Cuban defectors). Manuel reports that the Yankees had a tentative deal in place for $2.7MM at one point but agent Adam Katz stepped in and raised the price.

    This signing is akin to drafting a top high school player here in the states, only Inoa is younger. Oakland’s farm system has improved drastically in the last year or so.

  110. TKinDC June 30th, 2008 at 8:20 am

    “Gotta love Bill Madden this morning. Already decided based on ONE appearance, his first ML appearance no less, David Robertson “isn’t the answer” (his quote) for the bullpen.

    And we wonder how posters on blogs can be so ignorant. Here is the lead baseball columnist for a major market newspaper acting the same way a 12 year old poster would act. Amazing.”

    Great point SJ – another case of ‘Joba spoiled us Syndrome’

    In another column he will criticize the Yanks for not being patient. And so it goes . . .

  111. Brent (This Damon Guy's For Real, Huh?) June 30th, 2008 at 8:29 am

    This post should make everybody happy (as long as they actually start Gardner). I see Christian going back to AAA. Granted he’s more experienced and is a right-handed bat in a lineup full of lefties, but I don’t see the Yankees keeping 3 catchers and 2 backup outfielders when they’ll obviously be dwindling their shaky bullpen in the process.

  112. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 8:32 am

    TK,

    Madden has been a baseball columnist for 30 years. No “discount” for nerves with his analysis of Robertson? Blew me away when I read it this morning.

    This kid started last year in CHARLESTON. He’s in the majors now. That’s an amazing accomplishment.

    His story is even more amazing.

    He was a draft and follow kid by the Yankees a few years ago. They had no reason interest in signing him until he went to the Cape Cod League.

    While there, he was taught some refinements to his curveball, blew everybody away, and the Yankees signed him.

    Since that time, he has DOMINATED at every level he has pitched at more than anybody in the Yankees system. Yes, even more than Joba.

    Instead of writing that story, Madden decides, because the kid had the gall of being nervous in his first ML appearance, he isn’t the “answer” to the Yankees bullpen issues.

    That stuff really ticks me off because I am of the belief guys like Madden, and other lazy people in his profession, help create the ignorance that currently exists in the Yankees fan base.

    You can’t make the decision to go younger and use your farm system to help you without also having some patience.

    If some fans and members of the media can’t exercise any, don’t watch or work the games. You can come back when they are finished products.

    I commend the Yankees for trying to solve their problems from within before going on the trade market. Its what good organizations do.

    If folks don’t have the patience for it, spend the summer doing something else instead of having instant scouting analysis over players you know nothing about.

  113. a June 30th, 2008 at 8:35 am

    Christian came in and had a good first 2 games but not mutch afterwards
    There is a good post about pettitte on
    http://sportsnynj.blogspot.com/

  114. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 8:36 am

    All I know is if Gardner is up, hes playing, Cash doesnt want him riding the bench wasting valuable time

  115. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 8:41 am

    This weekend makes me proud to be a Yankee fan

    Reyes throws his glove and has a hissy fit on the field
    Manny Ramirez resorts to pushing someone who couldnt get him tickets
    Pettitte outdueled the Mets 150M man

    Oh and the Manny situation is on Mike and Mike

  116. Old Goat June 30th, 2008 at 8:44 am

    Sounds like Manny is having a bunch of issues this year. His fight with Youkilis, his altercation with the traveling secretary.

    When people act like this there is a reason lying deeper. I don’t think things are as good in the RS clubhouse as it would seem on the surface.

    It also sounds as if Santana isn’t all that happy with his new team.

  117. jennifer June 30th, 2008 at 8:45 am

    Check out the ever brilliant writing of Ian O’Conner. Someone really needs to knock this guy down a few pegs. He calls Alex arrogant, cause he said he watched the left fielders body language to know if it was out. Also said that the Yankees are closer to last place than first. Um that is what happens when you play in a good division. Unlike the Mets or Dodgers.

  118. Brent (This Damon Guy's For Real, Huh?) June 30th, 2008 at 8:45 am

    Good point, SJ44.

    David Robertson didn’t do anything in his first major-league outing that Farnsworth doesn’t do every time he’s sent out to the mound, and that’s when Robertson was nervous! If you keep sending Farnsworth out to give up a home run every other inning in tight situations, can’t Bill Madden wait more than one inning to evaluate Robertson’s overall ability? Apparently not.

  119. Brent (This Damon Guy's For Real, Huh?) June 30th, 2008 at 8:48 am

    Hey anyone who cares, I’m going to Yankee Stadium Saturday to see the Yankees make mince-meat of the Red Sox…since Joba is starting today and they have no off-days leading up to Saturday’s game, that would put Joba in line to start, right? If so, I’m the happiest man alive.

    Also, would that set Justin Masterson to pitch against Joba? I could only wish for a Beckett vs Chamberlain matchup. WOO!

  120. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 8:50 am

    If Santana knew what he did today, wonder if he would demand to go to that other NY team without the Twins trying to rob them blind like the Mets.

    The RS clubhouse is all f’d up, but they keep winning. We could be ahead of them by sunday. Haha a sweep for us and Tampa, then we sweep the RS. Imagine that, ah, its great to dream

  121. Patrickâ„¢ June 30th, 2008 at 8:51 am

    Brent you really lucked out! I’m going to Thursday’s game, Jon Lester vs Andy Pettitte, not a bad matchup. I’d rather see Joba though..

  122. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 8:51 am

    Sorry Brent, but they moved Mussina up (to today) and he will be pitching Saturday against Masterson. I know that because im going to the game too. But I saw Jobas 5 2/3 9 K performance

  123. Mike June 30th, 2008 at 8:53 am

    BOOYA!

    The BG Era has officially begun! He is going to cause havoc on the basepaths and give the yanks a new dimension!

    Cant wait!

    http://thefinalseason.blogspot.com/

  124. sunny615 June 30th, 2008 at 8:59 am

    well, either people will be right about Gardner and finally put this debate to rest, or they’ll be wrong about him and finally put this debate to rest. Either way, I’m glad this coversation will be over. Give us a show kid.

  125. SamVA June 30th, 2008 at 9:00 am

    woooooohoooooo
    ‘atta boy Brent
    God I love Melky but seriously it was time for a change… the whole dropping average since mid-may thing was killing me.. I wonder how Cano will be effected if melky is in fact sent down to AAA

  126. V June 30th, 2008 at 9:03 am

    “well, either people will be right about Gardner and finally put this debate to rest, or they’ll be wrong about him and finally put this debate to rest. Either way, I’m glad this coversation will be over. Give us a show kid.”

    I have my reservations as to whether or not he’ll be ‘the answer’. He has a history of struggling when advancing up a level.

    I hope he succeeds, but I also hope all of the ‘Melky haters’ admit their mistake if he fails.

  127. Patrickâ„¢ June 30th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    Saying that Melky is a fourth outfielder doesn’t mean we hate him…

  128. V June 30th, 2008 at 9:06 am

    “Bad News from mlbtraderumors.com re Inoa –

    According to John Manuel of Baseball America, the A’s have reached an agreement with 16 year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa. He’ll receive a $4.25MM signing bonus, a record for an international amateur (excluding Cuban defectors). Manuel reports that the Yankees had a tentative deal in place for $2.7MM at one point but agent Adam Katz stepped in and raised the price.

    This signing is akin to drafting a top high school player here in the states, only Inoa is younger. Oakland’s farm system has improved drastically in the last year or so.”

    I hope this isn’t true. I’ll be extremely disappointed in the Yankees if so.

  129. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 9:08 am

    “I know that Girardi loves to show trust and confidence in his players but please do not give us fans that BS line about Betemit.”

    why not? have you even looked at what Betemit has done this season?

    it’s like once the people here get it in their head that they like or don’t like someone, their performance doesn’t even matter. why, because Pete said he wasn’t a good player?

    Betemit is currently doing some good things off the bench. he currently has a 104 OPS+. he has 10 XBH’s in only 79 ABs.

    with Matsui out, who is the better choice to DH (and by DH, i mean get those ABs, it may be Betemit at 1B and Giambi DHing)? seriously, who should get those ABs, Justin Christian? Shelley Duncan?

    Wilson Betemit has a lot of potential power. he is a flawed player, but that is why he isn’t a starter. with Matsui out, he is the logical choice to get some ABs.

    Betemit has done a decent job and it looks like Cashman made a very smart trade. Proctor has been awful and is now having (surprise!) elbow problems.

  130. Yanksrule57 June 30th, 2008 at 9:10 am

    Robertson did look nervous yesterday and his curveball, which the Yanks announcers kept saying was his best pitch was junk.
    I imagine he was gripping th ball too tight or trying to put too much spin on the ball. When you do that it tends to roll over and hang like his did.
    Hopefully, he will get over it and show us what he can really do next time. The old Yanks might not have given him a next time though…
    Re Gardner, It looks to me like he is a fill-in until Matsui gets back (if he gets back) with Damon going to almost full time DH. If Gardner gets hot and Damon’s foot gets batter then and only then does Melky have to worry about his job. I don’t think Christian showed enough in his short time to say that he would be a good CF replacement.

  131. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Cash isnt going to even bid on Yu Darvish

  132. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 9:13 am

    “Also said that the Yankees are closer to last place than first. Um that is what happens when you play in a good division.”

    but, is it not true?

    read it any way you want, but overall the yankees have been a disappointment this season, all excuses or reasons aside.

    and the AL East is a good division overall, and better than divisions like the NL West, but the Orioles are not a good team. neither are the Blue Jays- theyve got some good pitching, but that lineup is atrocious.

  133. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    Look a little deeper into the Inoa stuff.

    The Yankees had a deal with his Dominican advisers. Adam Katz then gets involved, junks that deal, and raises the price.

    I would have walked away just like the Yankees did in that circumstance.

    That whole situation had trouble written all over it. Kind of like the street agents in hoops. Too many people involved, all with their hands out.

    Perhaps this kid will be great. Or, he may be like a bunch of other big Latin American signings that never pan out.

    However, when you have a deal in place, and all of a sudden you are told its going to cost a minimum of another 1.5 million just to get back in the bidding, you walk away.

    That’s more of a shakedown than a bidding war.

  134. 86w183 June 30th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    Betemit is hitting .266 with ten extra base hits in just 79 at bats. He’s not Matsui, but he’s a helluvalot more productive than Melky.

    Damon 7
    Jeter 6
    Abreu 9
    A-Rod 5
    Giambi DH
    Posada 2
    Cano 4
    Betemit 3
    Gardiner 8

    Looks like a good place to start. Melky needs a fresh look and this could help him focus.

    Three catchers is stupid… let’s move on and bring someone up or find an acceptable RH bat somewhere…

  135. pat June 30th, 2008 at 9:16 am

    Good luck to Brett in NY.

    At the risk of being a party pooper, I’m gonna watch him play at least a few games at the MLB level before I annoint him savior or say he is going to be overmatched. Some guys rise to the pressure of the situation around them, some shrink. Here’s hoping Brett is a riser.

  136. Old Goat June 30th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    I still have concerns over what this move means. I know Matsui is on the DL, but that does really open up an outfield slot unless Damon can’t play on the field.

    It could be a kick toward Melky and his batting woes.

    If they send down Christian, I don’t think he had much of a chance to do much. Its a big adjustment to make.

  137. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    “but, is it not true?
    read it any way you want, but overall the yankees have been a disappointment this season, all excuses or reasons aside.
    and the AL East is a good division overall, and better than divisions like the NL West, but the Orioles are not a good team. neither are the Blue Jays- theyve got some good pitching, but that lineup is atrocious.”

    Yankees have been a disappointment?

    Arod
    Jeter
    Matsui
    Bruney
    Pettitte
    Wang

    have all missed more than a week.

    I think its more of, the Rays being such a sucess story and the Sox being the first half Sox they usally are. Do me a favor, check the Yankees record and check the Red Sox record the 2nd half of the year for the last 5 years

  138. JohnC June 30th, 2008 at 9:20 am

    Sorry V,

    But the report on Inoa is true. BA has confirmed it. It’s too bad because it said the Yanks had agreed on a deal with him, until Katz stepped in and upped the price. Can’t blame the Yanks for dropping out at that point, baed on principle. George pulled a similar move like that with David Wells a few years ago that probably cost us a shot at Curt Schilling. Wells had a handshake agreement with the Diamondbacks until George stepped in and talked Wells into signing with the Yanks instead. Jerry Colangelo was so incensed that when they were ready to trade Schilling, he pretty much ordered his people not to trade Schilling to the Yankees under any circumstances.

  139. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 9:21 am

    A word re: Gardner. None of us who are fans of him are seeing him as a “savior”.

    There isn’t one player on any team, or in any farm system, who is a savior.

    What we see is a guy who may be able to add some offense to this team.

    One of the problems the Yankees have had this year (a MUCH bigger problem than its bullpen) has been an offense too reliant on the HR to score runs.

    They are on pace to score almost 200 runs less than a last years team. Not good enough to win.

    Gardner may be a guy who can make some things happen at the bottom of the order.

    If he can, he turns over the lineup with a runner or two on base, it will make this offense better.

    That’s the hope.

    He doesn’t have to be a savior. He has to be a solid contributor. If he is, he will help this team win games the second half of the season.

  140. pat June 30th, 2008 at 9:23 am

    86w183

    Posada isn’t catching Mussina so you need to re-work your line-up.

  141. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 9:25 am

    I would like this lineup today

    Damon-LF
    Jeter- SS
    Abreu -RF
    Rodriguez-3B
    Giambi-DH
    Posada-1B
    Cano-2B
    Molina-C
    Gardner-CF

    But I dont see Melky sitting out today

  142. jennifer June 30th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    TurnTwo

    Do you think this team would be in a better position with Joe T at the helm? Personally I think they’d be in a worse position. They already won more one run games this year than they did all of last year. Mo already has more saves at this point (yes I know it is a product of not scoring a ton of runs), but it is also a product of having a pen that can hold the lead. the yankees are something like 34-1 when leading after 6. What does that tell you? It tells me Joe does a pretty damn good job at handling the pen.

  143. Old Goat June 30th, 2008 at 9:27 am

    I don’t think they would play Posada at first again so soon.

  144. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    Girardi has to stop sitting Posada, hes obviously fine

  145. Yazman (David) June 30th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    Any more conjecture on where Gardner will play — LF, CF, RF, DH, or D (all of the above)?

  146. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    “Girardi has to stop sitting Posada, hes obviously fine”

    really, and how do you know this?

  147. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    Jennifer,

    You are correct. They are 36-1 with the lead after 6 innings.

    I don’t think the bullpen is nearly as bad as some think it is.

    The issue has been injuries, lack of consistency on offense, and starting pitching.

    Its not the manager.

    With all that, they are in position to control their own destiny, starting with this homestand.

    Have a 7-2 homestand, and they will be fine. Its doable.

  148. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 9:33 am

    really, and how do you know this?

    Maybe its because he has been back for 3 weeks now, no problems, and a few snap throws to first which would f up an injured shoulder. Im pretty sure hes fine

  149. jennifer June 30th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    And I’d like an honest answer from everyone. At the beginning of the weekend, if you were told that the Yankees would split the series, you would take it. Espically knowing the pitching match ups.

  150. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    If we go 7-2 with Boston and Tampa in this homestand, were in VERY good shape

  151. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 9:35 am

    “Do me a favor, check the Yankees record and check the Red Sox record the 2nd half of the year for the last 5 years”

    this isnt the same team.

    and the fact that major players have missed somewhat extended periods of time and the team has stay afloat is a credit to Girardi for getting these guys to stay focused.

    but all teams have injuries.

    i’m not saying they cant make a push here over the last 80 games or so and make the playoffs, but if you are being honest in evaluating the team overall, they’ve been incredibly inconsistent in their performance, and lucky that Moose decided he was going to wake up in 2003 again, and that MO is still MO.

  152. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 9:36 am

    And I’d like an honest answer from everyone. At the beginning of the weekend, if you were told that the Yankees would split the series, you would take it. Espically knowing the pitching match ups.

    I said we were losing all 4. I was dead wrong. But I also have a feeling we have a huge advantage during the Texas series

  153. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 9:36 am

    “Do you think this team would be in a better position with Joe T at the helm?”

    not at all. i’m a fan of what Girardi’s doing… but that doesnt mean the team hasnt been a disappointment, overall.

  154. pat June 30th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    SJ

    I don’t differ from you in that a contributor is all I hope for.

    Many here however are expecting Brett to steal 1st base and cure a terminal disease on his way to second because he’s fast enough to get there with time to spare before the ball arrives.

    There is a difference between a player who disappoints and a player who is disappointing. When expectation levels are set so high, many will have a hard time seeing the difference.

  155. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    “this isnt the same team.
    and the fact that major players have missed somewhat extended periods of time and the team has stay afloat is a credit to Girardi for getting these guys to stay focused.
    but all teams have injuries.
    i’m not saying they cant make a push here over the last 80 games or so and make the playoffs, but if you are being honest in evaluating the team overall, they’ve been incredibly inconsistent in their performance, and lucky that Moose decided he was going to wake up in 2003 again, and that MO is still MO.”

    Its not the same team. Tell me who left between this year and last? Of course Wang is out, but we didnt have Joba starting last summer. We are a summer team

  156. Billy June 30th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    Fat Sid gave a shocking performance. I eat my words:)

  157. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    “Maybe its because he has been back for 3 weeks now, no problems, and a few snap throws to first which would f up an injured shoulder. Im pretty sure hes fine”

    how do we know that after every game he isn’t sitting there in agony with his shoulder on ice? how do we know he hasn’t told Girardi he can’t catch more than 4 days a week?

  158. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 9:40 am

    how do we know that after every game he isn’t sitting there in agony with his shoulder on ice? how do we know he hasn’t told Girardi he can’t catch more than 4 days a week?

    Because he would be on the DL right now if he were hurt.

  159. Joba the Great June 30th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    I like the fact that the Yankees are sending messages to their younger talent. Kennedy to Class-A. Hughes may not pitch in the majors again this season. Melky’s playing time is most likely going to get cut at least somewhat. Sometimes you have to take the kid gloves off and demand they step up. And it sends the message to the prospects in the minors that performance will be rewarded. Good stuff.

  160. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 9:43 am

    “We are a summer team”

    you better hope so, or its going to be awfully quiet in the Bronx come October for the first time in a long time.

  161. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    “Because he would be on the DL right now if he were hurt.”

    we do know thats he’s hurt. he’s admitted himself that, i believe, he’s got a torn labrum, and is going to need surgery after the year’s over.

    but no matter how bad his arm is, he’s going to fight thru it for the team because as long as he can swing a bat, the yankees cant afford to DL him.

  162. pat June 30th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    Jorge is not saying he can only catch 4 days a week.

    He is quoted in papers today saying he understands Molina working with Moose but he wants to catch everyone else.

  163. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 9:47 am

    “Sometimes you have to take the kid gloves off and demand they step up. And it sends the message to the prospects in the minors that performance will be rewarded. Good stuff.”

    agreed. also, in combo with the Robertson promotion, this is the type of stuff i assumed we’d see with Girardi on the bench… with results come rewards and playing time.

  164. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 9:47 am

    Posada isn’t fine. He will need surgery after the season.

    That’s not “fine”.

    They are smart to play him some at first to keep his bat in the lineup and to keep everybody fresh.

    You have to do that with an older team. Especially with guys who are banged up.

    Remember all the whining on here about Matsui not being in the lineup everyday? We see now they were trying to get him through his knee injuries and still having him available to play most nights.

    It worked for awhile until the injury was just too painful for him to play.

    This is an instance where the team really does know best on how to handle their players.

    They know about their injuries, serious ones and nagging ones, and we don’t.

  165. Patrickâ„¢ June 30th, 2008 at 9:50 am

    David Robertson for setup -

    Posada needs shoulder surgery after the season ends. I’d say he’s still injured despite how he looks in games. My guess is he will play about as much as he has been for the rest of the season. Even with that expectation I believe Moeller isn’t needed. Molina is a capable backup and now he’s healthy so Moeller really isn’t needed. I think the Yanks should DFA Moeller to free up a spot on the bench.

    I’m fine with Stewart as the third catcher, he really isn’t as bad as it appeared in his first ML game. Keep him stashed at AAA in case of an injury to Posada or Molina, the difference in his performance versus Moeller will not be much.

  166. Joey Vegas June 30th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    Anyone else notice that the 40-man roster on Yankees.com has 41 guys? Looks like they never updated it after the move to put Ponson on the active roster… Anyone know anything about this?

  167. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 9:55 am

    “Anyone know anything about this?”

    shhhh!!!!!!!!

  168. 86w183 June 30th, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Mussina has to stop being sooo finicky. Molina can’t catch two days in a row… his bat gets so slow he couldn’t swat an unconscious butterfly.

    Good points on delivering messages to young players… it’s great to give young guys an opportunity, but too many guys (like Kennedy) treat it as a birth right. He coms off as awfully arrogant for a guy who hasn’t done a damn thing.

    Melky’s attitude may not have slipped, but .246 doesn’t pay the bills. His miserable season vs LHP has exascerbated the Yanks’ troubles there as well.

  169. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 9:57 am

    serious question, who is Moeller blocking?

    people complain about him being here, but now that Garnder is up, who is Moeller preventing from riding the bench? Shelley Duncan?

    it just seems like complaining for the sake of complaining.

  170. Billy June 30th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    I have been a big Melky fan but you have to take a step back and look at his numbers. They don’t lie. Sometimes players don’t improve and rapidly regress. Go go Joe Charboneau!

  171. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    “Anyone else notice that the 40-man roster on Yankees.com has 41 guys? ”

    i would assume that Hughes has been moved to the 60 day DL and it’s just a clerical error.

  172. sfochild June 30th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    I realize that melky has underperformed drastically to this point, but here are a few fun facts:

    1. Melky has the same amount of total bases as Vernon Wells(99). He also has only 1 less HR, only 4 less RBIs, and 13 more BBs

    2. Everyone seems to be in love with that Ellsbury kid, but his stats at the plate are not that different from Melky’s: four more Total Bases, Ellsbury has 8 less RBIs, three more BBs, one less 2B, and the same amount of Ks

    3. Most people insist that Carlos Gomez is a total stud, but he is not that far off of Melky numbers wise: Gomez has struck out more than 2x as many times as Melky (82 v. 40) has 3 less RBIs, 15 less BBs, get this, an OBP of .295 compared to Melky at .312, and 2 fewer HRs

    But, despite all of these stats, people keep crying: get rid of him, he sucks. Seems to me that hes not that far off from some players that are viewed as studs. Just some food for thought.

  173. AV® June 30th, 2008 at 10:00 am

    Nice!! Run Brett Run!!

    http://pinstripealley22.blogspot.com/

  174. raymagnetic ®™ June 30th, 2008 at 10:01 am

    “For the 3rd time, Damon has come out and said he plays worse when playing DH. ”

    Who cares what Damon has come out and said. You keep repeating it as if it’s the holy gospel. Players do things all the time that they might not want to do.

  175. AV® June 30th, 2008 at 10:01 am

    http://pinstripealley22.blogspot.com/

  176. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 10:02 am

    Hmmm,

    You are correct, Moeller isn’t blocking anybody.

    I like having him on the roster. He works well with pitchers. A lot of the guys on the team think he can be a manager in the future. He really knows the game.

    You can never have enough of those type of players on the team.

  177. Doreen June 30th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    Good morning, all.

    Had one of those weekends with a lot to do, trying to keep half an eye on the Yankees. Missed yesterday’s game entirely, but got the scoop when I got home.

    Just from what I read in the papers, Robertson seemed to have first-outing jitters and only gave up one run. That doesn’t seem all that bad to me, and not having seen Robertson ever pitch, I would think you just have to give the guy a few outings to get a feel for what he can do. His history sure seems encouraging, though.

    Regarding Inoa, aside from the situation that sounds like the Yankees were dealt dirty, isn’t he 16 years old? At least that’s what I remember reading. How much money should a team invest in a pitcher who is YEARS away from helping the major league team?

    I’m looking forward to seeing Brett Gardner play. No pressure on him, right? :)

  178. yankee lover June 30th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    This is getting dangerous. Sit Melky? ah, no. This kid is tearing up AAA? not really. Again, if Cashman would have traded Melky Kennedy etc in the winter when they had high value we would not have this problem. Now sitting Melky or worse sending him down devalues him further.
    I think Melky should be given the same consideration as others get when they are in a slump. Putting Gardner in for Abreu (leading the team in RBI`s or putting him in for Damon (hes hitting great) is stupid, unless the yanks fall out of the race. It should be best players play, instead of what Girardi did yesterday throwing a game away.

  179. Rishi June 30th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    thanks for the stats, sfochild…def puts things a little bit more in perspective

  180. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 10:07 am

    “1. Melky has the same amount of total bases as Vernon Wells(99). He also has only 1 less HR, only 4 less RBIs, and 13 more BBs”

    do you mean the Vernon Wells who missed 30 games with a hurt wrist?

  181. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 10:07 am

    “30 games”

    i meant 30 days.

  182. Todd June 30th, 2008 at 10:11 am

    “This is getting dangerous. Sit Melky? ah, no. This kid is tearing up AAA? not really. Again, if Cashman would have traded Melky Kennedy etc in the winter when they had high value we would not have this problem. Now sitting Melky or worse sending him down devalues him further.”

    Melky did not have high value in the minds of anyone other than Yankee fans. It was pretty clear that the Twins weren’t that excited by him.

  183. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 30th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    I heard about this on Thursday & Friday night that’s why I said I was confident but still not sure, I asked is Inoa signing w/ the Yanks ? My cuz told me Primo my people told me he’s making his decision the next 24-48 hrs. , I said is NY one of his choices ? He said yes, but (this is where I got worried) someone else has stepped in, he never told me it was a new agent all he said was expect something this week because his guy told him the game has changed. I was like WTF do you mean ? So Sunday morning he said his source has told him expect something tonight, Again I didn’t know he changed his agent midweek those are bad signs but I never would have thought the Yankees would walk away from him, Last night I was so pissed off, pissed off to the point I cursed out my cousin and anybody else.

    Yeh I know immature but you don’t understand how good this kid is going to be. That’s as far as I got w/ this last night. To think Billy Beane a peasant GM outbid Brian Cashman and the Yankees I could not believe it, morals or not does the kid have the talent yes, did you want him ? yes, so what was the deal people can not be surprised he took the best deal, unfortunate he walked away from a guaranteed deal but the Yankees are not in any position to reject a future Johnny Cueto, Volquez or Hernandez, it’s 10 in the morning and still I feel sick to this very minute.

    I got off the phone an hour ago he saids unless there is a 180 w/ his prick agent this is done. So now we move on and this is where I’m limited in info, Yorman Rodriguez last I heard Cincy is offering him big money, Portillo no info on him other than Seattle and Atlanta are strongly looking at him. So whatever.

  184. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    “3. Most people insist that Carlos Gomez is a total stud,”

    i actually think most people dont view Gomez as a total stud, and certainly not now. he’s got potential, but his skills are incredibly raw. i think he’s performed better than i expected him to so far this year, actually.

  185. yankee lover June 30th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    True Todd, but Cashman REFUSED to trade him. Which was a mistake, as he Cashman again over rated a player

  186. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 10:16 am

    “True Todd, but Cashman REFUSED to trade him. Which was a mistake, as he Cashman again over rated a player”

    how do you know that? maybe he refused to trade him knowing his only other option in CF was Johnny Damon? or because teams wanted Melky in a package of other players along with him?

    you have no clue what conditions surround Cashman’s presonnel moves to say he refused to deal him.

  187. sfochild June 30th, 2008 at 10:16 am

    okay hmmm, ill give you the vernon wells one, but the other two don’t lie.

    I’ll throw in another name, just to get me back to 3. Torii Hunter: 17 more Ks than Melky, only 5 more RBIs, only 2 more HRs, and 7 less BBs

  188. Patrickâ„¢ June 30th, 2008 at 10:16 am

    “it just seems like complaining for the sake of
    complaining.”

    Who is the corresponding move for Gardner? Gonzalez, Christian, ? One of those guys will be blocked by Moeller. When Matsui is off the DL, another guy will have to be sent down as well. I have nothing against Moeller but he hasn’t played (other than garbage time) in weeks. A third catcher is not a priority on this team. Some of you are acting like Moeller is an amazing player. He really isn’t, guys like that are a dime a dozen.

  189. Cam June 30th, 2008 at 10:18 am

    Hell yeah! A full name shout out for yours truly on the NPR broadcast! “Cameron Gilbert cheers on some obscure outfielder (Jason Lane).” Haha, freakin’ best way to start a new work week!

  190. Brent (This Damon Guy's For Real, Huh?) June 30th, 2008 at 10:20 am

    No Joba for me. Oh well. At least I’ll get to see Father Time stick it to Mr.Masterson.

  191. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 10:22 am

    “When Matsui is off the DL, another guy will have to be sent down as well.”

    that could be in August. just saying. we dont know know when Matsui is going to be right, but would it surprise anyone to wake up, say, tomorrow morning and find out Hideki had knee surgery today, and will be out 6 weeks?

    and while Moeller is pretty much a dime a dozen, its not like losing Christian or Gonzalez back to AAA is a devastating blow to team morale.

  192. Patrickâ„¢ June 30th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    People are overrating Gardner and people are overrating Melky. Lets be honest. It is likely that both players will be 4th outfielders/fringe starters in this league.

    Gardner is fast, can steal bases, has good range, has good patience at the plate and is a line-drive hitter. Thats pretty much his ceiling too, he’s never going to develop any power beyond 10 HR a year.

    Melky is an excellent fielder, great arm, above average speed, but at this point he is below average to average at the plate. He does have the potential to be a .300 hitter with 15-20 HR power but thats pushing it IMO.

    Both guys can help the team but neither are going to be superstars.

  193. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    “Both guys can help the team but neither are going to be superstars.”

    i dont think anyone is going to disagree with you there.

  194. raymagnetic ®™ June 30th, 2008 at 10:26 am

    “Who is the corresponding move for Gardner? Gonzalez, Christian, ? One of those guys will be blocked by Moeller.”

    If they send down Christian and replace him with Gardner then what’s the difference?

  195. Patrickâ„¢ June 30th, 2008 at 10:26 am

    “and while Moeller is pretty much a dime a dozen, its not like losing Christian or Gonzalez back to AAA is a devastating blow to team morale.”

    True enough. Moeller or no Moeller the team won’t really be effected that much.

  196. yankee lover June 30th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    Regarding Minnesota Melkys stats are slightly better than Gomez (from Santana trade we shouldve made)

    Player hits Homers K`s Bave OBP
    Gomez 86 5 82 263 295
    Melky 69 7 40 246 312

    I`ll take Melky-better fielder and better arm although Gomez steals bases

  197. mel June 30th, 2008 at 10:30 am

    GM guys.

    How many instances until Manny is ordered to go to Anger Management?

    Can you imagine group therapy? Manny gets up in the middle of it and goes to the closet to do his thing.

  198. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    “I`ll take Melky-better fielder and better arm although Gomez steals bases”

    im not so sure thats such a given. gomez’s player projections are partially sold on his CF defense from what i remember.

  199. They shoot horses don't they? June 30th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    “Rodriguez, who has struggled all season in the clutch, has four hits in the last 18 at-bats (.222) with runners in scoring position. For the season he is batting .243 (17-for-70) in the clutch compared with .322 overall.”

    That little tidbit from one of the local NY papers this morning.

    I don’t expect Melky or even Cano to carry this team and deliver key hits when they are needed.

    But I honestly do not believe that it is too much to ask a 28M dollar a year player to have better stats than that.

    All show and no go when it counts just like in Seattle, Texas and now NY.

  200. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 10:34 am

    “That’s as far as I got w/ this last night. To think Billy Beane a peasant GM outbid Brian Cashman ”

    well, that’s not what happened.

    Inoa AGREED to a deal with the Yankees. then backed out of that agreement.

    sorry, but this isn’t on the Yankees.

    i realize you love the kid, but he failed to negotiate in good faith. it would be bad business for the Yankees to just go back and increase their offer.

  201. Jorge Steinbrenner June 30th, 2008 at 10:34 am

    I’m a bit concerned as to the war in Iraq now that Brett Gardner has to give his full attention to the Yankees now. He was doing such an amazing job leading the troops while being such an unstoppable force on the field.

    Let’s see Melky do that!

    In all seriousness, I think he should be up here. If he’s such a hustle-type player as people claim he is, we need a guy like that off the bench.

    What we don’t need is Melky sitting. In the little I’ve actually watched the past few days, I’ve seen great catches, doubles trimmed to singles through hustle, and runs saved. No, he’s not there offensively right now, but he still deserves the same patience we’ve afforded a hell of a lot of other guys on this team.

    i saw the Madden piece this morning and agree with SJ. this is why comments section on blogs like this is unbearable. apparantly, the only solution to the Yankees bullpen, according to Bill, is Brian Fuentes becoming available. Why stop there? maybe the Angels will put K-Rod on the block…

    Insane.

  202. Billy June 30th, 2008 at 10:41 am

    Gomez vs. Melky? Let’s look at Gomez’ stats in three years.

  203. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 30th, 2008 at 10:42 am

    I`ll take Melky-better fielder and better arm although Gomez steals bases

    What ? Did I just read this ?

    Carlos Gomez 3.33 RFg .976 FPCT

    Melk Cabrera 2.54 RFg .985 FPCT

    I’ll take Gomez’s range any day of the week over Melky’s and in arm strength, Gomez has that over Melky. As for the bat

    Melky: .246/.312/.354 , Carlos: .263/.295/.370

    same thing. But overall if Minny came to NY and offered Carlos Gomez for Melky Cabrera, Melky would be on a bus ride to Minneapolis.

  204. mel June 30th, 2008 at 10:43 am

    I’m not going to criticize Alex for what he does or doesn’t do.

    But since someone brought it up and you guys watch more games than I do, I have a question.

    How does Alex look at he plate this year compared to last? I’m talking about the balls put in play. Is he driving the ball like he did in his hot streak last season? I know that was something he was concentrating on after a disappointing (in his eyes) ’06.

    Thanks.

  205. Will June 30th, 2008 at 10:44 am

    “Putting Gardner in for Abreu (leading the team in RBI`s or putting him in for Damon (hes hitting great) is stupid, unless the yanks fall out of the race. It should be best players play, instead of what Girardi did yesterday throwing a game away.”

    I think the point is that Damon needs some time off the field. If that’s the case, and Matsui is on the DL, and you are facing righties, then replacing Christian with Gardner makes sense.

    If Damon can use some time off the field now is the time to do it with the Sox series coming up.

  206. Old Goat June 30th, 2008 at 10:44 am

    I don’t think Gomez is going to be all that. That boy has some strange ways about him. I think he will be clubhouse problem with the way he acts which will diminish what he can do on the field.

  207. yankee lover June 30th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    Please, lets not bash Arod now. The team turned around when he came back from injury.

  208. 86w183 June 30th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    Fuentes, Marte, Grabow, Affeldt, Mahay… any of the five would improve the bullpen. It’s amazing how few people talk about that weakness… I watch the games on the MBL Extra Innings cable package and every other team’s broadcasters bring it up.

    Gardiner will help… I’d drop Moeller and keep Gonzo to have more speed on the bench… but neither is oging to provide desperately needed RH pop.

  209. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 30th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    How does Alex look at he plate this year compared to last? I’m talking about the balls put in play. Is he driving the ball like he did in his hot streak last season? I know that was something he was concentrating on after a disappointing (in his eyes) ‘06.

    He’s swinging better Mel, better than last season just not 100 % there w/ the timing, the offspeed pitch screws his swing up so many times that when he goes against legit fastballs 94 mph and up his timing is off, right now I was surprised to see him lead the AL in batting AVG, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended the year batting .290 – 302 since he swings fences most times than not.

  210. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 10:49 am

    “But I honestly do not believe that it is too much to ask a 28M dollar a year player to have better stats than that.”

    and I honestly do not believe that it is too much to ask a LoHud poster to use better stats than that.

    why are we cherry picking his last 18 AB’s?

    what do those numbers look like since, say, he returned from the DL?

    i bet they are pretty good.

    on Saturday, he got the only hit off Santana during their first rally, then he walked and scored the 3rd run.

    so, he basically won that game for them. but on Friday, he was left 5 men on base in a 9-0 blowout. in other words, who cares?

    A-Rod has a 164 OPS+. pulling out 18 AB’s is the height of idiocy.

  211. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 30th, 2008 at 10:51 am

    I can find 18 ABs where Manny hasn’t been clutch is that a knock on Manny too ?

  212. retire #51 June 30th, 2008 at 10:52 am

    is joba pitching Sunday night? I just got tickets woo woo

  213. mel June 30th, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Brandon,

    Thanks. Good to know.

    LOL. You used ‘Manny’ and ‘knock’ in the same sentence.

  214. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    http://www.baseball-reference......08_t.shtml

    let’s see, American League leader board…

    A-Rod, #4 in BA, #4 in OBP, #4 in SLG%, #2 in OPS, tied for 8th in HRs after missing 20 games, #2 in OPS+, tied for 8th in Runs Created, #2 in adjusted Batting Runs, #2 in Batting Wins (whatever that is), #2 in Offensive Win %, etc.

    yes, of all the things wrong with this team, let’s bash the best player.

  215. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 10:56 am

    should say “#2 in SLG%”

  216. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 30th, 2008 at 10:56 am

    r51 I think Joba is pitching on Sunday on ESPN, should be interesting.

  217. raymagnetic ®™ June 30th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    “Fuentes, Marte, Grabow, Affeldt, Mahay… any of the five would improve the bullpen. It’s amazing how few people talk about that weakness… ”

    Maybe because the bullpen has been one of the strengths of the team?

    Starters ERA – 4.49
    Relievers ERA – 3.76

  218. Jorge Steinbrenner June 30th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    the bullpen is inconsistent, which is an improvement from the past few years, where it was just plain bad.

    other than Hawkins, there’s not one guy out there that makes me say, “we’re screwed” at the mere sight of them pitching.

    then again, other than Mo and Veras, there’s no one that’s a sure thing either.

    still, it’s an improvement, and the last thing we need is someone else’s middle reliever struggling in our bullpen at the expense of a prospect.

  219. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2008 at 11:04 am

    Carrying Moeller is forcing the Yankees to choose between a fifth outfielder and a seventh reliever, which is a choice you don’t want to make. That’s why no one carries three catchers anymore. If Moeller was playing at all, maybe there’s an argument (I don’t think so), but his role seems to be to watch the game from a front row seat.

    Moeller has had a few good ABs this season, for which I’m grateful, but his career suggests that will be a small sample size illusion. I’d DFA him. My guess is no one picks him up. If someone does, it’s not the end of the world.

  220. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 30th, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Mel I always believed that w/ Alex but even more last year to this year, when he faces that good change up fastball SP, good curveball fastball, great sider fastball, good sinker great fastball, he struggles a bit because his swing is a straight out swing, he doesn’t have that muñeca (wrist snap) in his ABs to foul off enough pitches to run into a mistake like Manny does, like Miguel Cabrera or even Jetes, you watch Alex’s swing it’s from the school of Charley Lau Jr. he thought him extension to drive the ball farther during his AB like he showed Big Mac, Alex because of that needs to have smart ABs where he can eliminate pitches and pick his spots and when he gets one he can’t miss it otherwise it’s not gonna happen again 2-3 mistakes from an ACE is rare in a big AB you know.

  221. Jeter Should go to 1B (JoeyA) June 30th, 2008 at 11:10 am

    If there is a single thing that can be learned from the Mets this season, it’s thatspeed gets you runs. When Jose Reyes gets on base, the liklihood of scoring a run increases dramatically. It doesn’t even take a string of hits. A stolen base sac bunt and sac fly gives you a run every time the guy is on. Speed can drastically improve an offense not keen on situational hitting. I’m not saying the guy is a stud and is the next coming, but it is exciting to have a guy that will cause havoc on the basepaths and carries the extra risk, for other teams, to turn singles and doubles into doubles and triples. That kind of pressure on opposing defenses is something we lack with our current lineup. I hate to quote a Philadelphia based movie but, “Speed, Speed is what you need. Greasy, fast speed. Sh.it lightening and crap thunder” – Micky (not Mantle).
    On another note, i can’t wait to see Melancon or McCutchen, hopefully this year, if not next. We are losing alot of payroll after this year and it would be nice to keep that money off the books by using in-house relievers. Especially since we may be looking to add a big arm in SP and big bat at 1B. It is exciting to have potential problem solvers, post this year, within our organization in terms of bullpen.

  222. Jeter Should go to 1B (JoeyA) June 30th, 2008 at 11:13 am

    On another note:
    Given Girardi and the Yankees lack of whole-story telling in disclosing injuries and players situation, Does anyone think there is something with Posada they aren’t telling us? I mean, 3 catchers?? I wonder if his arm is really 100%, if even 90%

  223. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2008 at 11:13 am

    Mel, it’s pretty easy to tell with Rodriguez. He has some of the highest popups and fly balls that I can remember. He isn’t strikng out and hitting weak grounders. He’s hitting just under the ball by maybe a quarter of an inch

    If I were the Yanks hitting coach, I’d suggest that Rodriguez put 1/4 inch lifts or a couple of thick sole inserts in his shoes.

    yes, people…j/k about the inserts.

  224. Rishi June 30th, 2008 at 11:13 am

    Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t we see Melky do this a few game ago where he walked, stoled 2nd and 3rd and then scored on some sort of a sacrifice? I think for him the problem is getting on base to do “the damage”

  225. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    Brandon,

    I know you are into the kid. That said, there is not only no guarantee he will be the next anybody, you can’t get involved, in something as shady as what has been going on with him.

    Here’s what I know about him, which is coming from the agent community.

    The kid had a deal in place with the Yankees (through his people) weeks ago.

    Somehow, Adam Katz got involved, signed the kid (nobody is certain how that happened) and Katz immediately informed the Yankees he was re-opening the bidding.

    He also made the kid and his “people” off limits to the Yankees.

    When the Yankees got Katz’s new figure, they walked away.

    As they should.

    Sorry but, you don’t do business that way for a 16 year old kid.

    They didn’t do business that way with Arod. Someone who has actually accomplished something at the ML level.

    All this Latin American stuff is rife with shady deals. Its about as dirty as it gets and it gets worse every year.

    For the Yankees to open themselves up to be shaken down by Adam Katz over this kid would have set a precedent that would have no end in sight.

    If the kid really wanted to sign with the Yankees, he could have lived up to the deal they agreed to. He chose to listen to Katz and go in a different direction.

    Hopefully, it works out for him but, this ain’t on the Yankees. This is on Inoa and his peeps.

  226. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    “Carrying Moeller is forcing the Yankees to choose between a fifth outfielder and a seventh reliever, which is a choice you don’t want to make.”

    i chose the 7th reliever. there, that wasn’t very hard.

    why do the Yankees need 5 OFers?

    it never ceases to amaze me how much time is spent on this blog bitching about the 25th spot on the roster.

  227. Doreen June 30th, 2008 at 11:16 am

    If your primary catcher is generally healthy, then, no, you don’t need to carry a third catcher. But that’s not the case for the Yankees right now, and it may not be the case for the balance of the season. I really haven’t seen where carrying Moeller has actually hurt the team. I do think he should catch a game here and there, though.

    I think the thing with ARod is he is expected to come through every single time, and no player does come through every single time. Re-align your expectations with reality, ARod’s doing just fine, thank you very much. The real concern for the Yankees is the #4 and #5 pitching slots and an overall inconsistency in the offense.

    What was interesting particularly in this past week of games was the opposing blowouts against Pittsburgh and the Mets, and then the close games. Jennifer, you asked about how people felt about the outcome of this weekend series against the Mets. In a 4 game series, I always hope for at least a split, and they did get that, so I’m happy. Also happy that Boston didn’t do all that well, but I’m thinking that the real team to be watching is not Boston, but Tampa Bay. Just because no one can believe it’s for real doesn’t mean it isn’t. And isn’t it unbelievable that at the end of the day, the Yankees could be competing with Boston not for the division, but for the wild card?????

  228. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2008 at 11:17 am

    hmmm-

    Major league teams have for years decided they want both a fifth outfielder AND a seventh reliever. Who am I to argue? It’s obvious we need a fifth outfielder since 2 of our 4 outfielders appear to need crutches every other day.

  229. raymagnetic ®™ June 30th, 2008 at 11:20 am

    “Does anyone think there is something with Posada they aren’t telling us? I mean, 3 catchers?? I wonder if his arm is really 100%, if even 90%”

    Did you not read several of the posts before yours stating that Posada has a torn labrum and will need surgery in the offseason?

  230. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    “Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t we see Melky do this a few game ago where he walked, stoled 2nd and 3rd and then scored on some sort of a sacrifice? ”

    this is true, but everyone was stealing at will on the Padres’ catcher.

    not that Melky is slow. but he’s no where as fast as Gardner or Reyes.

  231. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 30th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    SJ I’m still pissed off about it, but I get it. It’s amazing how this kid wanted to come to NY and boom now an agent gets into it and closes up the market on a high price, it doesn’t make it any better to swallow but F… it.

  232. The Lady June 30th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    I’m so sick of people comparing Melky’s stats to Brett’s . Brett Gardner hasn’t had one single at-bat in the Majors and everyone knows that the leap from AAA to the Majors is a big one. If Gardner was such a shoe-in as so many fans seem to believe, he’d have been on the Opening Day Roster. They’d have found a place for him somehow. Let’s just wait and see how the guy does before proclaiming him the next Rickey Henderson, for Christ’s sake!

  233. Glenn June 30th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    If it turns out where Brett Gardner is still not ready after a 2-week period, I would suggest that Cashman attempt to pursue Randy Winn of the SF Giants near deadline time.
    Winn is a switch hitter that plays all OF positions well. He’s been a very serviceable player for his career which includes AL time with the Rays.
    If that doesn’t work then Ryan Freel should be ready to come off the DL with Cincy after being on the DL with a hammy strain.

    Randy Winn of
    3 years/$23.25M (2007-09)

    signed extension 2/06
    $3M signing bonus
    07:$4M, 08:$8M, 09:$8.25M
    full no-trade clause 2006-07
    limited no-trade clause 2008-09 (Winn may block deals to 10 clubs)

    2 years/$7.25M (2004-05), plus 2006 option

    Giants exercised $5M 2006 club option 10/05
    04:$3.5M, 05:$3.75M, 06:$5M club option or $3.75M player option
    avoided arbitration 12/03
    1 year/$3.3M (2003)
    avoided arbitration 1/03
    may earn $12,500 in performance bonuses based on PAs

    1 year/$0.96M (2002), avoided arbitration 1/02 ($1.2M-$0.75M)
    agents: Adam Katz, Craig Landis

    ML service: 9.000

  234. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    “Hopefully, it works out for him but, this ain’t on the Yankees. This is on Inoa and his peeps.”

    unfortunately, Inoa is still a kid, so while the blame lies at his feet, and with those around him, i cant sit here and blame a kid.

    i agree that this whole thing has shady written all over it, and the yankees did what they needed to do, but it doesnt mean that it doesnt suck when its all said and done.

  235. gayle June 30th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    Brandon if he wanted to come to NY so badly then he should tell the agent that remember the agent works for him. Really what he wanted badly more than coming to NYY was the money, which is fine by the way, I never get on someone for wanting the money.

  236. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    You don’t have a deal until you have a deal. From Inoa’s point of view, Katz earned his money, I’m sure. I wish the Yanks had signed him, but you can’t blame the kid.

  237. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    “It’s obvious we need a fifth outfielder since 2 of our 4 outfielders appear to need crutches every other day.”

    i don’t think it’s obvious at all.

    Damon is a little gimpy, but he looked OK hauling in that drive in the 8th inning on Saturday.

    the Yankees should have 4 healthy OFers.

    if Damon is seriously hurt, maybe it’s time to re-evaluate.

    but for now, i don’t think a 5th OFer would see ANY playing time.

  238. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    If this incident with Katz and Inoa can be verified, it would be grounds for losing his MLB accreditation as an agent.

  239. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 30th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    I’m so sick of people comparing Melky’s stats to Brett’s . Brett Gardner hasn’t had one single at-bat in the Majors

    And soon that arguement will be over.

    If Gardner was such a shoe-in as so many fans seem to believe, he’d have been on the Opening Day Roster.

    Because they wanted to use him everyday and when a roster has Damon,Matsui,Abreu and Melky someone has to fall off in order for him to get a starting job, so far Damon needs rest, Melky has been playing everyday but comes off a 2 for 16 series vs the Mets, Bobby needs a rest every now and then and Matsui is hurt.

    Enter Brett Gardner….

  240. zach June 30th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    hey,

    moeller needs to go, if posada get injured one day then molina can come in. 3 catchers in unnecessary

  241. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    “then he should tell the agent that remember the agent works for him.”

    and how many years did it take ARod, a grown man in the league for how many years, to finally tell his agent to stick it?

    not for nothing, but how could anyone expect a 16 year old kid from Latin America to communicate that with some American agent who slid into the door in the last couple weeks or whatever and took over negotiations?

    maybe it was just the money, but again, you cant expect this kind of mature reasoning from a 16 year old kid.

  242. Skippy June 30th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Oh, Brandon, I think I’m in love with the word muñeca–thanks for the vocab addition.

  243. TurnTwo June 30th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    “And soon that arguement will be over.”

    and Brandon, i fear that it will be too soon… if we’re going to be fair to BG, his potential cant be judged over the next 10 games, and i just dont think he’s going to be granted proper time, at least this season, to do what he needs to do and adjust while contributing right away.

  244. pat June 30th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Sox players receive threats, security stepped up in St. Pete.

    http://www.sportingnews.com/yo.....p?t=429455

  245. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 30th, 2008 at 11:31 am

    gayle he’s 16, his family wants him to make the best decision for himself, if anything the agent got to him and his family about this being the best deal for him. There is no doubt he wanted to be in NY but his agent got him to understand this market is about his top value and he chose that path. It’s still shady imo but a 16 yr. old kid from DR looking out for his own interest I mean can you really blame him …I guess so but not so much. I’m just pissed.

  246. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    hmm-

    As long as Matsui is hurt, a fifth outfielder would get lots of playing time. They brought up Christian to face the lefties – they are bringing up Gardner to face the righties. A platoon would make lots of sense. Once Matsui is recovered, then the Yanks could reconsider.

    Also, as we speak, I don’t think we know if the Yankees have indeed chosen the seventh reliever over the fifth outfieloder, as the corresponding move for Gardner hasn’t been announced.

  247. gayle June 30th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    Believe me I am not blaming him at all if you saw I said I will never blame anyone for taking the money especially a 16 year old kid from the Carribean with the pressures that go with that.

    I just dont like the talk that he really wanted to be a New York Yankee so badly until the agent got to him. When you are a free agent if you really want to go somwewhere then that is where you go unless there are other issues that come into play. \

    Like I said I do not blame him for taking the money at all but the idea that he really wanted to come here just doesnt fly to me.

  248. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) June 30th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    Skippy muñeca really means wrist but when latin ballplayers refer to that word they’ll say need more muñeca, or La muñeca, La muñeca, usar la muñeca, basically telling you to snap your wrist to pull the ball w/ power.

  249. Old Ranger June 30th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Because of one pitcher in the BP, some keep saying that the BP sucks…those nay sayers should watch the games and stats.
    Brett has been touted by me sence ST, I have never said he was the greatist player. I do think he CAN and (hopefully) will help the team this year…if he makes it through this year he’ll be better next year. I am just a fan that has seen him play many times and likes what I saw. 27/08?

  250. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    I can just imagine all of those threats coming from the St. Pete/Tampa area….”Drar Red Sux cheaters….don’t come here or else. Me and my gang will pelt you with our Geritol and Centrum Silver bottles. after that, we’re going to hobble out on the field and beat you with our walkers. Signed…The Killer Silver Fox.

  251. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    “As long as Matsui is hurt, a fifth outfielder would get lots of playing time. They brought up Christian to face the lefties – they are bringing up Gardner to face the righties. A platoon would make lots of sense. Once Matsui is recovered, then the Yanks could reconsider.”

    ok, but the Yankees could just send down Gonzalez. he really has no role now that interleague is done.

    if someone gets hurts, you bring him back up.

    that’s all i am saying.

    keeping Moeller, while not ideal, simply isn’t that big a deal.

  252. ANSKY June 30th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    I’m guessing Matsui needs this knee scoped too. How do I know? I don’t. I’m just guessing.

    If he does get it done I hope they don’t trade/unload him because he’ll be better off by next spring than he was this spring. He was hitting real well even though he still had one knee at less than 100%.

    He isn’t going to be 38 next year … he still has some good years left so I hope the team keeps him for those years.

  253. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    hmmm-

    Well I agree that in the larger context, where 2 of our original 5 starters were terrible, where our ace (before Joba!) is out for most of the season, where we can’t hit left-handed pitching at all, where we can’t hit with runners in scoring position, where our hall of famer third baseman and catcher were hurt for big chunks of the first half, Moeller’s status isn’t that important.

    But, every little bit helps, I guess.

  254. Kill-Schill(ing) June 30th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    The Yankees don’t face another lefty until the Sox series and only if John MO-Lester pitches. And similarly, in the Rays series, only if Victor Zambrano’s alter-ego throws.

    I’m figuring the Yankees demote Christian.

  255. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    They don’t need a 5th OF on the team, even with Matsui hurt.

    Justin Christian can’t play. He’s a career AAAA player.

    Nice kid, has free medical and dental for life after the callup, and that’s great for him. He’s not even close to being the prospect Gardner is.

    Don’t make the mistake of believing every person in the Yankee farm system is a solution to the teams problems.

    There is a reason why some guys make it and some don’t.

    Christian is a RH hitter with no pop and not even close to the speed Gardner possesses.

    In fact, in the limited amount of AB’s he’s had, I think his speed is a little overrated. I haven’t seen the “burner” he was described as being prior to coming to NY.

    He hit into a DP in Pittsburgh that a lot of guys would have beaten out. That told me his speed was a tad overrated.

    One part about Gardner’s game that isn’t overrated is his speed. That kid can fly.

    With Matsui out, Gardner being a LH hitter is less of an issue because you are replacing one lefty bat with another.

    What’s more interesting is the fact the Yankees may be realizing they cannot slug their way to the playoffs this year. The offense is going to have to be more diversified.

    If Gardner can provide that life, terrific. If he can’t, I imagine they will be shopping for another bat, along with a pitcher, at the trade deadline.

    Brandon,

    Unfortunately, the “secret” is out re: Latin American kids. The agents are all living in LA, signing guys and getting involved with these kids bigtime in the process.

    It takes a strong kid to live up to a deal. Jesus Montero did it when the Marlins offered him more money than the Yankees after he agreed to terms with the Yankees.

    In this case, it didn’t happen. That’s the way it goes.

    Basically, we are debating whether or not a HS junior (which is all Inoa is right now) can help the Yankees in the future.

    Hype aside, its a BIG gamble.

    Personally, I thought it was nuts for the Yankees (or any team) to go to almost 3 million for him.

    4.25 million? If I was a GM, I would have passed too.

    Good luck to the kid for getting the money. Now, comes the hard part. Living up to it.

    Hopefully he can because you want to see kids succeed.

    But, off the way his peeps conducted themselves in this process, he would be smart to rid himself of some of his posse. It will give him a better chance to make it.

  256. Russell NY June 30th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    “YESSSSSSSSSSSSS”

    you said it. About damn time.

  257. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    SJ-

    I really wasn’t making a pro-Justin Christian argument. My thought was a fifth outfielder (who almost by definition isn’t that good) and a seventh reliever might be more important (marginally) than a third catcher. The Yanks clearly feel otherwise, and I guess they have more insight into the issue than I do, so I’m going to defer to their judgment for now.

    I feel better already.

  258. Francis The Praying Mantis June 30th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    Im not very high on Gradner, but Melky has been pretty disgusting.

  259. hmmm June 30th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    “But, every little bit helps, I guess.”

    lol, good point.

  260. Kill-Schill(ing) June 30th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    “Keeping Moeller is not the big a deal”

    I guess, if it doesn’t bother you that the Yankees have allocated a roster spot to someone who has had 10 Plate Appearances in the entire month of June and 3 Plate Appearances since Posada returned on June 5th.

    The question is do the Yankees have a better alternative?

  261. Dan June 30th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    “Gotta love Bill Madden this morning. Already decided based on ONE appearance, his first ML appearance no less, David Robertson “isn’t the answer” (his quote) for the bullpen.

    And we wonder how posters on blogs can be so ignorant. Here is the lead baseball columnist for a major market newspaper acting the same way a 12 year old poster would act. Amazing.”

    Great point SJ – another case of ‘Joba spoiled us Syndrome’

    ______________________________________________

    Yeah, yeah, Madden is jumping the gun. But someone tell me what part of Robertson’s straight as an arrow, 88-90, barely topping out at 91, fastball do you think is suited to pressure-packed 8th innings?? That is a fastball that survives in the majors only with pinpoint accuracy. How has that worked out for Kennedy? And how will that work out in the eighth inning of tied, one or two run games? I hear he has a great curve – he better because that fastball will never scare anyone.

    I’m astounded that this guy was touted as Joba’s replacement. And don’t tell me nerves are to blame. If anything, nerves and excess adrenaline makes you throw harder than you normally do, and with less control. Well, he missed the plate a few times, but if he was throwing harder than normal, what does that mean, that he usually doesn’t break 90? In fact, his fastball sat exactly where it was said to – upper 80s to around 90.

    Name me one successful setup man whose fastball sits around 90 and is straight as an arrow. One! I sincerely doubt there is a single one, until Borowski or Jones are deposed as closers.

  262. Kill-Schill(ing) June 30th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    By the way, two questions for you prospect experts, SJ44 and.or CB and.or Hmm.

    1) Is it possible that Horne could be suffering from tired-arm this early in the season and simply from his rehabilitation? The symptoms he describe sounded so eerily reminiscent of players with nerve damage in their shoulders that I cringed when I heard it.

    2) Did the Yankees postpone Hughes’ possible return date, this weekend, to the end of August to dampen expectations and to spur the kid, or will they really prevent him from returning until September 1? I hope that will change if they fail to acquire a starting pitcher by the deadline.

  263. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    He’s the 25th guy on the team and he is an insurance policy in case Posada’s shoulder doesn’t hold up.

    The season isn’t going to be decided by the 25th guy on the roster.

    His spot on the team isn’t stopping them from doing anything.

    They wanted to call up Robertson, they did it. Gardner? They did it.

    I’d rather have a veteran guy as the last man on the roster than a kid. Kids don’t do well unless they are playing a lot.

    Veteran players are used to the up and down nature of the game and are much better suited to reserve roles.

  264. V June 30th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Melky is an outstanding young player. He won’t lose his job to a rookie.

  265. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Not sure what peoples’ issues are with Moeller, but, he’s a good defensive catcher, and he’s hit when he’s played this season. He’s got a little power and, I’d consider keeping Moeller and trying to find a trade that included Molina, who’s name brings more fear than his bat does. He’s going to see a lot more playing time, so, this is no small deal.

  266. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    I have watched Robertson for the last two years in the minor leagues. His fastball isn’t “straight as an arrow” and he usually throws it 89-92 with movement.

    Okajima’s fastball barely hits 88 and he had a little success last year, didn’t he?

    You don’t put up the numbers he has put up at every level of the minors unless you have good stuff.

    His curveball is downright nasty and he attacks hitters.

    Can he pitch the 8th inning? I don’t know but, they don’t need him to pitch the 8th inning. Veras and Farnsworth can do that job, and have done it, since they moved Joba.

    What they need is a guy who can pitch the 6th and 7th innings in shutdown fashion because most of the Yankee starters don’t go deep into games.

    Pitching is more than just the radar gun.

    For all the talk about Kennedy, he doesn’t throw any harder than Andy Pettitte. Yet, Pettitte has won over 200 games in his career.

    Don’t get seduced by the radar gun. Its called pitching for a reason. There is an art to it and Robertson has shown to have it this early in his career out of the ‘pen.

  267. Girardi to the DL June 30th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    Molina is very good behind the plate. I think he does a better job in that, his primary job, than Moeller does. His bat is what it is. He is a career .220 batter. He is also a back up catcher.

  268. Patrickâ„¢ June 30th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    “Melky is an outstanding young player. He won’t lose his job to a rookie.”

    You’re joking right?

  269. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    KS,

    The Yankees haven’t backdated Hughes’ return for any psychological reasons. They backdated it because they weren’t honest about the severity of the injury.

    He’s just beginning his throwing program. If he was ready to go right now believe me, he would be out there.

    They aren’t going to the Giese’s and Ponson’s of the world to protect Hughes. They are doing it because they don’t have anybody else ready to pitch at this level.

    I don’t know about Horne. When I heard about what happened yesterday, my first thought was David Cone.

    I hope its a dead arm and not anything more serious.

    Either way, I doubt we see him in NY this year, which is a shame.

    If he stayed healthy this year, he would have had a shot at the rotation once the injuries hit. Just rotten luck for the poor kid. Hope he is ok.

  270. Dan June 30th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    OK, so he throws a cutter? Why did we never see it? Did YOU see movement on his fastball yesterday? Because I sure didn’t. That was a four-seamer that will get hammered in the majors.

    And when Cashman says that maybe Robertson will pitch the eighth, I’d say they aren’t certain about Veras and Farnsworth.

    And Okajima never threw the fastball the way this guy does. He threw it when he had set up the batter with the other pitches. This guy was laying them in there – he couldn’t get the pitcher to swing and miss for heaven’s sake!

  271. Patrickâ„¢ June 30th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Nobody said Robertson was the replacement for Joba. Most people think he’ll be a useful reliever. Melancon has the stuff to be the 8th inning guy, hopefully we see him later this season.

  272. mark June 30th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Here’s what I decided about Manny Ramirez.

    1. Mellow dude

    2. Manny being Manny.

    3. Everyone’s friend.

    4. Face breaking out a little.

    5. Whacks Youklis. (This move I applaud. ha ha)

    6. Hits bombs from here to China. With one hand.

    7. Pushes a guy about tickets.

    ROID RAGE

  273. Kill-Schill(ing) June 30th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    I really don’t have a problem with the Yankees retaining Moeller as an insurance policy for Posada.

    Most of my misgivings stem from the following:

    1) I’m disappointed with how little playing team the Yankees gave Shelly Duncan earlier in the year. The kid has yet to recover as a consequence.

    2) I don’t like Girardi much and can’t decide whether it originates from his personality or his management decisions, neither of which have especially endeared me recently.

  274. Patrickâ„¢ June 30th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    A cutter..what? Where did anyone say that Robertson throws a cutter?

  275. Girardi to the DL June 30th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    I heard someone on the radio, some former pitcher, who was saying he thought he could improve pitching across the league with one simple move. Remove the radar gun.

    I don’t recall who it was, but he made some sense. There are some good pitchers out there who can do well but because they don’t have blinding speed they don’t get much of a look. He also said too many of the power pitchers are overthrowing the balls because of being enamoured of the speed and sacrifice control.

  276. Kill-Schill(ing) June 30th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Yeah Cone crossed my mind too, SJ44, but if I remember correctly Cone complained of numbness in his finger-tips.

    I’m not a physician so I hate to speculate. I’m wishing the best for Horne as well.

    I really was looking forward to seeing him this season.

    He’s already on the older side for a prospect (25 or 26, no?) and evidently, injuries have arrested his development throughout his entire career.

    BTW, for all of you interested, Phil was on with Russo earlier this week. It is impossible NOT to love him. He was witty, eminently poised, and gracious. He even landed a good gibe when Russo questioned him about Joba.

    Evidently, Phil actually listens to Fran-Dog.

  277. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Duncan got all of the chances that the Yanks could afford to give him, this year. He was a below average defensive player in right and at 1st base. He could have made himself much more valuable if he had taken the time over the years to learn how to catch and call a game. He’s a one dimensional hitter and he wasn’t doing that.

  278. SJ44 June 30th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Dan,

    Calm down and don’t sound so ignorant by ripping a kid who was pitching in his first ML game.

    I have seen the kid pitch for the last two years and his stuff is more than good enough to get big league hitters out.

    If you don’t think so, let’s just agree to disagree.

  279. Noreaster June 30th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    It’s great reading these chats, just a quick point to add to the discussion. Cash is going to bring up whoever is ready for a look over the next month. He is going to see what he already has before he starts looking outside the organization.

    It will be interesting to see if we can pick up another salary dump (perhaps from the Marlins) along the lines of Abreu.

  280. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    SJ, there’s another recent pitcher that possible circulation problem reminds me of. Aaron Cook. His wasn’t an aneurysm. It was a pinched artery in his chest. It became pinched while pitching, because it was moving up against a rib when he threw. In 2005, he had the rib removed and has been really good, so far this year.

  281. Dan June 30th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    A cutter..what? Where did anyone say that Robertson throws a cutter?

    _________________________

    A fastball with horizontal movement is a cutter. A fastball with vertical movement is a sinker. So if his fastball “moves” it either cuts or sinks and is either a cutter or a sinker. I haven’t heard about jaw-dropping groundball rates so I assumed he throws a cutter.

  282. David Robertson for Setup June 30th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Im assuming since there has been no update that Gardner wont be up this series?

  283. Patrickâ„¢ June 30th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    I know what a cutter and a sinker are. And actually you are forgetting a 2-seamer which also has horizontal movement. Additionally, most four-seam fastballs have natural movement depending on the pitcher. When someone says “his fastball has good movement” that doesn’t necessarily mean the pitcher is throwing a cutter/sinker/2-seamer.

  284. nyyfaninlaaland June 30th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Brandon -
    You didn’t actually use range factor to compare Cabrera to Gomez and mean it did you? Range factor could be the worst defensive stat ever invented, or at least the worst named, even if it was the product of Bill James. All it measures is the number of plays a player is involved in as a percentage of total plays. If the ball is hit to a player more, his range factor will be higher. That Gomez has 54 more chances in CF than Cabrera, in 4 less games, is largely the explanation for the disparity. For whatever reason, against Minny the ball is hit to CF more often. On the margin it could be that Gomez gets involved in more plays, but Range Factor dramatically overstates that difference.

    Now there may be one, because Gomez’s zone rating is tops among ML CF’s. But Melky’s is 5th, so he’s no slouch. That said, the Yanks may well make the deal straight up in a heartbeat, largely on Gomez’s superior speed. And it’s not like Gomez is some much younger prospect (4 months).

  285. jon June 30th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    Wake up call Melky

  286. Rubin-Gardner has finally been called up June 30th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally! It only took 81 games. Im guessing this was to fill out the 25 man roster since Perez was DFA’d. He will most likely be starting today over Christian. I cant wait to see him fly around the bases again.

  287. Dan June 30th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Additionally, most four-seam fastballs have natural movement depending on the pitcher. When someone says “his fastball has good movement” that doesn’t necessarily mean the pitcher is throwing a cutter/sinker/2-seamer.

    ___________________________________

    And what type of movement is that? The only way a four-seamer is thought to move is by appearing to “rise” (which it does not, it appears to “rise” simply because it does not fall as much your brain expects).

    So, what does this guy throw? He obviously throws a four-seamer with average speed, no late life or “rise”. That’s the fastball that will get hammered. If there is another one, do tell what it is.


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