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This is confusing

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 01, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees had a runner on first base with no outs in the bottom of the ninth and were down 3-2 tonight.

Derek Jeter was on the bench. But Melky Cabrera stayed in the game and grounded into a double play. This would be the same Melky Cabrera who was 0 for his last 18 when he stepped to the plate. Further, he didn’t try to bunt.

Am I missing something? The Yankees bunt with leads but not when they trail by a run in the ninth inning at home?

What is indisputable is that the Yankees have scored seven runs in their last 38 innings and are now eight games behind Tampa Bay in the loss column.

Meanwhile Mariano Rivera can’t seem to pitch unless it is a save situation. He has not given up a run in 22 save situations this season. But in 13 non-save situations, he has allowed 10 hits and four runs in 14 innings.

Granted, that is not bad. But still weird.

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  1. the dirtman July 1st, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    that kid they kept showing, was that joba’s kid?

  2. Noonin July 1st, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    The obvious move was to either.

    A. Bunt Betemit to 2nd

    B. Pinch-hit Jeter

  3. huuz July 1st, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    this team sucks

    it is unbearable to watch.

  4. stuart July 1st, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    you meant Melky..

    This team needs to make changes to the offense like they have to the pen but they do not have many minor league options..

    trade one of these overpaid lazy sack of sh-ts…

    they cannot do anything right..the yanks without Wang and Hughes still have a better pitching staff then last year but CANNOT HIT.

    2 questions for girardi; Joe why did you not bunt Melky? Be real man.

    2. What are we going to do about Jorge behind the plate? If Elssbury gets on base just put him on 3rd….

  5. MELKY IS DEAD July 1st, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Melky needs to fall off a cliff

  6. S.A.- No pain..no gain! I still believe in this team July 1st, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    This team is a little confusing

  7. Ryan July 1st, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    People paying out the wazoo for tickets to the final regular season home game have to feel a little better.

  8. Bob(the original) July 1st, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    I so angry about that right now.

    Just unbelievably stupid move.

    I really can’t take anymore of this ineptitude and stupid managing.

  9. Jordan July 1st, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Oddly enough, even though Pete mistaked Melky for Alberto Gonzales- what he said still holds true. Gonzales is 0 for his last 24, and Melky was 0 for his last 19.

    How on earth do you let a guy who hasn’t had a hit in 19 games, and has been showing no signs of hitting the ball well this game to go for a big base hit, instead of putting a runner into scoring position for Damon, who already ripped 2 doubles today, or Jeter, Captain Clutch himself.
    Worst case scenario would have been Damon and Jeter both getting out, but at least we would feel like we threw our best guys at ‘em.
    If Melky laid down a bunt who knows what would’ve happened as he has speed, there may have been an error compeltely opening up the game…
    But no, we let the 0-19 player go at it. The instant he came up everyone in the stadium thought the same thing- please don’t ground into a double play. Naturally, the Melk-Man delivered sour milk, as he has for most of the season.

  10. Jake H July 1st, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    This lost was all on Girardi. Terrible managing today, terrible. Why is Posada out there catching the 9th inning? There is no way he would get to bat in the 9th and truthfully he can’t throw a guy out to save his life right now so why have him be out there?

  11. MELKY IS DEAD July 1st, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    Can Melky please fall off a cliff?

  12. Brock July 1st, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    There is absolutely no excuse for not bunting or pinch hitting for Melky in that situation.

    Especially when you consider he was hitting from the right side. What is he like a .180 hitter as a righty?

    Girardi got exactly what he deserved for such a bonehead move.

    Perhaps in his desire to give guys a day off all of the time, he can finally realize it is Melky who needs to park it for a while.

  13. Noonin July 1st, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    Mark Teixeira…clap…clap….clap…clap

  14. Ned Bert July 1st, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    Girardi is a horrendous manager.

    Seriously.

    Name me one move this year that has paid off. Where you watch and go “wow”.

  15. MELKY IS DEAD July 1st, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    Falling off a cliff is the only way to get him out of the lineup

  16. Eugie July 1st, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Ask Girardi:

    Why did you not Bunt? Or Steal and then bunt? Or try instead of just standing there and hoping?

    Why is Melky still playing when he’s hitting .200 for the month and has appeared in 82 games this season?

  17. The Original 'V' July 1st, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    It is not Melky’s fault he didn’t get the bunt sign. Can we lay off him for a second?

  18. Jimbo July 1st, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    IT’s come to the point where I shudder to see Mo coming into a tie game. He has been less than pedestrian in tie games for years. THAT is where Girardi blew it tonight.

  19. Fran July 1st, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Stuart- you are right about Posada. He has become a liability behind the plate. All of the teams know that he has a bad shoulder that needs surgery.

  20. j July 1st, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    someone has to look at the strike calls for the opposing team and our team. it does not look even at all.

  21. DMan July 1st, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Melky left another 5 guys on base tonight. Awesomeness.

  22. Noonin July 1st, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    They need to send Melky to AAA. I like Melky but he’s in a drought right now, and we don’t have the time to wait on him to heat up (if ever).

  23. Bob(the original) July 1st, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    If Melky is in the lineup tomorrow, I am officially giving up on this season.

  24. Clay Bellinger July 1st, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Jeter should have pinch hit for Melky, to have him on the bench is a crime

  25. Get Tex July 1st, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    We’ve been whining about pitching all yr when we really need someone who can hit.

    You cannot keep sending out players like Melky who barely have a .300 OBP.

    DID CASHMAN LEARN ANYTHING FROM THE YANKEES TEAMS THAT WON?

  26. BUZZ July 1st, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    if Melky is in the Lineup tomorrow Joe is really clueless

  27. Noonin July 1st, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Don’t blame this on Mo. Even if Mo is shaky in non-save situations, he’s better than any reliever on this roster not named Veras in that type of siutation. Do you really trust I give a run every two innings Farnsworth?

  28. Eugie July 1st, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    It is not Melky’s fault he didn’t get the bunt sign. Can we lay off him for a second?

    He hit .200 for the month of June, .150 the past week and leads the team in Games played this year. He needs a rest now.. not when he heats up like Girardi has done with other players.

  29. Clay Bellinger July 1st, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    Molina should have been put in as a defensive replacement for Posada, from now going forward.

  30. Guiseppe Franco July 1st, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    They couldn’t PH for melky there because THERE ARE NO OTHER OUTFIELDERS ON THE BENCH.

    If they did end up tying the game in the 9th, you’d have Alberto Gonzalez playing LF in extra innings.

    That said, Melky should have bunted WB over. That was a no-brainer since Melky couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat.

  31. Long Fly Ball July 1st, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    I’m so glad we didn’t trade Melky and Hughes and Kennedy!!!!

  32. BUZZ July 1st, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Cashman is idiotic too why would u sent down christians if he has the speed to steal a base and leave alberto just confusing you already have betemit as back up IF just odd

  33. Alan July 1st, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Cute how you deleted the posts that pointed out how you blew this post by saying that Gonzalez hit into the DP and not Melky.

  34. Ryan July 1st, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Whats the chance they are sellers at the deadline? Is there even anyone they could move while getting someone decent(alive) back in return?

  35. BBP July 1st, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Trade Girardi!

  36. JoeT 28 in 09!! MO FOR CY YOUNG!! stop complaining and watch the game!! July 1st, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    even if you pinch-hit Jeter – he should still be up there to bunt.

    Inning should have played out this way:
    Betemit walks
    Melky bunts him to second
    Damon hits a grounder to first, Betemit to third
    Jeter pinch-hits for Gardner with a chance to tie it up

  37. Long Fly Ball July 1st, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Girardi is showing us all nothing as an in game manager.

    And him fighting with the beat writers is getting tiresome. He’s not ready for Prime Time.

  38. Central Ct Yankee July 1st, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Can’t wait to hear what Clueless Joe has to say about that one

  39. BUZZ July 1st, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    “They couldn’t PH for melky there because THERE ARE NO OTHER OUTFIELDERS ON THE BENCH.”

    they could move garnder to CF damon to left and get rd of the DH

  40. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 1st, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    I wanna hear why Melky didn’t bunt or why he wasn’t PH for

  41. Noonin July 1st, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Honestly, I think Betemit or Gonzo could play the outfield. You play to extend the game anyways, because if you don’t, you lose anyways.

  42. Bob(the original) July 1st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    None of this game is on a single pitcher who was in the game even Mo.

    This lineup is brutally awful. 3 runs in 2 games against the Texas Rangers, the worst pitching and defensive team in MLB.

    What does that tell you about this team?

    With Ponson tomorrow, and then the Red Sox and Tampa Bay, this season very well could be over by this time next week.

    Then it’s time to blow this mess up.

  43. Long Fly Ball July 1st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    “Damon hits a grounder to first, Betemit to third”

    Not like Damon isn’t among the league leaders in hits or anything.

  44. Scott Boras July 1st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Sign Barry Bonds.

  45. The REAL Original 'V' July 1st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    “It is not Melky’s fault he didn’t get the bunt sign. Can we lay off him for a second?

    He hit .200 for the month of June, .150 the past week and leads the team in Games played this year. He needs a rest now.. not when he heats up like Girardi has done with other players.”

    WILL NONE OF YOU LEARN???!?!?!!?

    This guy is an idiot. Every time I post a real post, he latches onto my name to make idiot comment after idiot comment. And EVERY SINGLE TIME, someone has to respond to him as if he’s a real poster.

    How dense do you have to be? This has been going on for a week now.

  46. BBB July 1st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Well, I guess for reporters/analysts it’s more confusing, but for us fans it’s depressing and infuriating. Same difference but either way it sucks.

    Anyway, I blame myself for Melky’s DP with all that rah rah “loving gazes at ‘Got Melky’ t-shirts” stuff….sorry, guys. :(

  47. Brock July 1st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    “If they did end up tying the game in the 9th, you’d have Alberto Gonzalez playing LF in extra innings.”

    That is not true. Damon could have moved to left field and they would have lost the DH.

  48. timo July 1st, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    My answer: Girardi didn’t really want to hit for either Melky or Gardner, tie the game and then have to figure out who was going to play outfield. Nor did he want to bunt Melky and hope that Damon or Gardner would get a hit lefty on lefty. So he rolled the dice, went for the win and lost big time.

  49. Long Fly Ball July 1st, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    If I hear another story about how great the system is I may strangle myself.

    What position player have we developed since Jeter?

    Cano looks terrible. His OBP is under 300. Melky? Jesus. Duncan? Gonzalez? Christian? Gardner?

    We can’t even develop a 1b with a decent glove!!

  50. Haha July 1st, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    “Alan
    July 1st, 2008 at 10:52 pm
    Cute how you deleted the posts that pointed out how you blew this post by saying that Gonzalez hit into the DP and not Melky.”

    Glad it’s not just me.

  51. pat July 1st, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    ‘They couldn’t PH for melky there because THERE ARE NO OTHER OUTFIELDERS ON THE BENCH.”

    Damon to the outfield and lose the DH takes care of that.

  52. Marc W July 1st, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    What is Girardi doing?!?

  53. JoeT 28 in 09!! MO FOR CY YOUNG!! stop complaining and watch the game!! July 1st, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    “Damon hits a grounder to first, Betemit to third”
    Not like Damon isn’t among the league leaders in hits or anything.”

    Wasn’t like I made that up – Damon hit a ground ball to first base

  54. Chambliss July 1st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Forget about the division folks. The Rays are loaded with young talent and they believe in themselves.

    We are going to be fighting Boston, Oakland, Minnesota and perhaps Detroit for the wildcard. Cashman’s best bet is to be a seller at the deadline. See if we can get some decent prospects for Damon while he still has value. Ditto for Giambi even if you have to eat some salary.

    This is so frustrating.

  55. Someone Else July 1st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    “If I hear another story about how great the system is I may strangle myself.

    What position player have we developed since Jeter?

    Cano looks terrible. His OBP is under 300. Melky? Jesus. Duncan? Gonzalez? Christian? Gardner?

    We can’t even develop a 1b with a decent glove!!”

    Apparently, you don’t actually watch the games.

    Cano’s been excellent for a few weeks now. Including tonight.

  56. Noonin July 1st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Yeah honestly, Pete was it really necessary to delete the posts that said you had it wrong when you thought it was Alberto Gonzalez and not Melky that grounded out into the DP? Everyone makes mistakes.

  57. BUZZ July 1st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Giardi Rests everyone but not melky what is this? dont make sense

  58. j July 1st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    joe on postgame now

  59. pat July 1st, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    Girardi went with the “it stinks” tonight instead of the “we stunk”.

  60. Eugie July 1st, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    “I just didn’t think it was the right move” – Joe Girardi on why he didn’t bunt.

  61. BBB July 1st, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    I hope I don’t regret saying this but I am actually less worried about BOS and TB series than I am about tomorrow night’s game, as well as any game against a bad pitcher from here on out. The Yankees usually show up against good pitchers and do all the little things like work the count and make them throw strikes. It’s the middling guys like Kevin Millwood we’ve got to watch out for, apparently.

  62. BUZZ July 1st, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    WHY IS ALBERTO EVEN UP IN THE MAJORS IF HES NOT GONNA PLAY He HAS Average SPEED WHY is CHRISTIAN NOT UP CASHMAN is HOrrible

  63. Noonin July 1st, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    We have to sign Mark Teixeira, we have no other big bat besides AROD in the lineup and it shows. Trade Matsui for prospects, resign Giambi for the DH until Montero is ready.

  64. MELKY IS DEAD July 1st, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Melky and A-Rod are the only 2 players to not sit the past three games.
    Melky is 0 for his last 20 and needs to die.

  65. Frank July 1st, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    You shouldn’t even have to have Melky bunt because you should HAVE JETER PINCH HIT FOR HIM !!!!!!!

    Girardi is losing major points fast.

    We’ve all been questioning his lineups all season…but he’s made some pretty dumb decisions this past week.

  66. FREE CANDY July 1st, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    This team blows. They should trade away the guys while they still have some sort of value…ummm like abreu, or melky

  67. Nick in SF July 1st, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    BBB, it’s not your fault. As TGFizeek pointed out, I’m the one that put on the stanky ‘got melky’ shirt and I’m the one who took it off.

    But maybe the person who needs to put on a special t-shirt is Joe Girardi, and it might be this one:

    http://tinyurl.com/3hqcsc

  68. BBB July 1st, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    ““I just didn’t think it was the right move” – Joe Girardi on why he didn’t bunt.”

    Seriously? Wow…reporters need to press him on that! Don’t just let him get away with this canned answer.

    Also, the Yankees should get Sabathia. Even at the trade deadline if need be. Not so we can make this big run or anything (although I still think it’s too early to say we dont have one in us) but so that he can be part of the solution for next year.

  69. Guiseppe Franco July 1st, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    That is not true. Damon could have moved to left field and they would have lost the DH.

    I understand the rules of baseball, but that wasn’t an option.

    If the game goes long into extra frames, you’d have the pitcher batting in that spot and you’d have to PH Molina, Gonzalez, or Moeller.

    Which makes more sense, pinch hit for Melky and lose the DH or bunt WB over and keep your defense as it is if the game goes into extra frames?

  70. Marc July 1st, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Joe Girardi has to think over his decisions.

  71. MELKY IS DEAD July 1st, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Melky is also 5 for his last 58 which is a solid .086

  72. BUZZ July 1st, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Giardi try to outsmart everyone by not bunting

  73. JoeT 28 in 09!! MO FOR CY YOUNG!! stop complaining and watch the game!! July 1st, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Frank – even if Jeter pinch-hits for Melky, he has to bunt too – Jeter has hit into more DP’s then anyone, but more importantly THAT”S THE MOVE – YOU BUNT THERE!! ugh so frustrating that Girardi thinks the right move was to let less then .200 average Melky from the right side hit.

    Melky bunts, Damons grounder moves him to third, Jeter pinch-hits for Gardner with the tying run on third and two outs – SO simple, baseball’s been played for a LONG time, the move has always been, and always will be to bunt Melky there EVERY TIME

  74. pat July 1st, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    “Melky and A-Rod are the only 2 players to not sit the past three games.”

    The logical choice would be to rest A-Rod before Boston and Melky during the Boston series but giving Melky the night off and DHing A-Rod to give him a half day might be the better choice.

  75. BBB July 1st, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Nick in SF – Haha! Well that would certainly suit his recent moves more than the #27 shirt he’s currently rocking…

    Just to be on the safe side as far as jinxing players though, I guess I won’t down 3 Jager shots tomorrow before first pitch to bring Sir Sid luck after all!

  76. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 1st, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    I can’t wait to hear from the tards that bully everyone who does not speak with the utmost optimism about the Yankees, how they are going to turn this around, they are only 8 games back to Tampa, how the offense is going to get hot, how they were further back last year in a weaker division and still made the playoffs, how they haven’t had all their regulars around long enough, how… well you get the point.

    It is now July. This team is at best a +5 over .500 team. They are weak offensively, defensively, on the bases and most concerning in the managerial position.

    Joe Girardi has done nothing for this team that Joe Torre had already done. Kevin Long may have gotten ARod a fat contract extention but he has done nothing to improve, Cabrera, Cano, Abreu, Molina, or step in to correct slumps for Jeter, Posada, Matsui.

    The Yankees made three mistakes last year. Hiring Joe Girardi. Giving the 4 yrs to Posada. Not signing pitching and bench players. Picking up Abreu’s contract and Damon’s didn’t help matter. Both are tirelessly over matched.

    Perhaps Cashman will continue his plan and start shedding some of the fat on this team and dismiss 2008 for what it really is, a lost year.

    But, welcome to being tied with Baltimore. They should all be very proud of their accomplishments in the first half.

  77. BBB July 1st, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    “What happened to all that plate discipline?”

    You mean Melky’s? I’m starting to fear it may have left town with Mattingly….

  78. Bob(the original) July 1st, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    That is not true. Damon could have moved to left field and they would have lost the DH.

    I understand the rules of baseball, but that wasn’t an option.

    If the game goes long into extra frames, you’d have the pitcher batting in that spot and you’d have to PH Molina, Gonzalez, or Moeller.

    Which makes more sense, pinch hit for Melky and lose the DH or bunt WB over and keep your defense as it is if the game goes into extra frames?

    I’m sorry. but that’s just stupid reasoning. At that point you play to extend the game, and do what you have to do later.

    Sitting here after a loss should explain that pretty clearly to you.

  79. ron ron July 1st, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    pete, do you think part of girardi’s really clueless managing is because girardi doesn’t have anyone senior whispering in his ear, like torre had with zim?

  80. stuart July 1st, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    I like Girardi but his rationale tongith was laughable.. The lefties have had problems verse WIlson.. What lefty it was Damon and then Jeter and then Abreu.. He said they would have walked Jeter, I say so.. You pay Abreu $16 mill to hit the ball if he cannot hit leftie trade him…

    this is a transition year, if that is true blow it up…….Trade one of the matsui, abreu, damon… Get younger and more atheltic or trust the high priced guys to succeed and if the yfail, well there is nothing you can do if the guys who you count on cannot produce.

    he said they are also bad with RISP, again the big boys are suppose to hit if they don’t why are you paying them all this $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$????

    Bad tactical decision by Girardi but the bottom line is our high priced stars would have failed anyway..

    this lineup stinks at the end of the day they are mot losing because of Kyle, or edwar, or Giese, or Melky, or Gardner but because of; jeter, cano, abreu, arod, giambi, and the rest of our overpriced SLUGGERS…..The guys who get paid the most are suppose to produce the most, not real complicated…..

  81. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 1st, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    Melky and A-Rod are the only 2 players to not sit the past three games.
    Melky is 0 for his last 20 and needs to die.

    Give it a freaking rest already ! We are all pissed off at him but to say something stupid like that seriously stop it already. The whole board knows Melky right now isn’t adding anything but no one is wishing death on him.

  82. ER Haters Club President July 1st, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    Eugie
    July 1st, 2008 at 10:57 pm
    “I just didn’t think it was the right move” – Joe Girardi on why he didn’t bunt.
    .
    WELL I GUESS YOU WERE DEAD WRONG,,,YA MORON !
    .
    :-(

  83. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 1st, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    Recordwise, the Yankees are

    Even with Texas
    Even with Detroit
    1 game better than Baltimore
    2 gamse worse than Minnesota
    2 games worse than Oakland
    2 game better than Florida
    2 games better than Houston
    3 games better than the Dodgers.

    Throw them a parade.

  84. BBB July 1st, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    The Yankees didn’t pick up any option on Damon this winter, he was signed for the 06 season through 09. And, overmatched? Really? I think we can chop at least 5 wins off our current total without Damon’s bat in the lineup. It’s one thing to be angry with the bats but let’s not put blame where it doesnt belong, Damon has been far and away the Yankees’ offensive MVP this season.

  85. BUZZ July 1st, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    the third inning with runner on 3rd and 1 out abreu Pops up

  86. Wait til Next Year July 1st, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    I think it’s a wrap fellas. This is a mediocre team managed by a mediocre manager. It’s time to cut bait and do some auditions for 2009. Hopefully, the Yankees wont be out of the playoffs for more than a year or two.

  87. Bob(the original) July 1st, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Melky is 0 for his last 20 and needs to die.

    That’s a nice to thing to say about a human being.

    The only thing that needs to die is Melky’s Yankee career.

  88. YankeesTech July 1st, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    I am all for rebuilding this team, however most yankee fans feel that they are entitled to the playoffs so it might be a tough sell to make.

  89. Old Goat July 1st, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    I really just don’t see much in the way of good management coming from Girardi. Granted I wasn’t in favor of him being named manager, so maybe I have a bias against him. It just seems that he keeps playing around with the lineup for no good gains. I understand looking to give players a break, but not in the middle of hot streaks unless they are hurting.

    While Girardi doesn’t go out and play for these guys, there are just some basic fundamental things to try to do in situations that he lets slip by. Tonight with Melky up, why bring in a pinch runner if you aren’t going to send him to steal or bunt him over? We all are painfully aware of how bad Melky has been with his bat, it can’t be that Girardi doesn’t know this too.

    I just don’t get it with Girardi. I try to accept him and give him the benifit of the doubt, but too many times it just comes up short. I’ve been counting games that I feel were lost more due to poor decisions by Girardi for the situation, be it bunting like tonight, or what ever other move or non-move he made. I count 7 games that were lost due to his actions. While I will grant you that these game still might have been lost, I think there would have been a much higher percentage of chance to get a win had he made the right call or move.

    Think about where the Yankees would be in the standing right now with even just 4 more wins.

    Of course not all of the woes of the team are on Girardi. However, he is the leader of the club. Leaders find ways to get it done.

    I guess for a while I should just kick back and enjoy watching for good plays made, ignore the scores and standings, enjoy seeing some new players come up. Of course that has to be with the sound off so I don’t have to hear the stupid things Kay has to say.

  90. stuart July 1st, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    whiff at least m=be accurate on your facts. Damon is in yr. 3 of a 4 yr .contract there was no decision by the Y=anks this offseason..

    the thing that BOTHERS ME ABOUT THE BLOG IS PEOPLE SAY THINGS THAT ARE NOT ACCURATE OR TRUTHFUL ALL THE TIME…

    It was time for Torre to move on, even though Girardi’s decision tonight to have more faith in Melky$460k then the guys who get paid the money is MORNIC I am still happy the Torre era is over…

  91. The Fallen Phoenix July 1st, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    This is a link from an article that ran back in 2004, the year before Brian Cashman achieved full control of baseball ops.

    “Cashman, unlike every other GM, has no influence on whom the Yankees draft. “The best political answer would be, it’s not part of the job description,” he says slowly. “That’s just how George has his business set up. He wants separation between the Tampa office and the New York office. I don’t think the Tampa office and the New York office particularly like the separation, but it’s there. There’s times we’re pit against each other. That’s the way he wants it. He thinks it promotes independent thought. At times it can promote us all not being on the same page.””

    I want to repeat that first line: “Cashman, unlike every other GM, has no influence on whom the Yankees draft.”

    The first draft that Brian Cashman ever had influence on, and the draft Damon Oppenheimer was appointed to oversee the draft, and Mark Newman (also mentioned in that article, found here: http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/.....ndex2.html, as someone who was almost canned by George Steinbrenner at one point) was put in charge of player development, was three years ago, in 2005.

    Very, very few players who are drafted develop in less than three years. Very, very rarely will you see players like Joba Chamberlain and Ian Kennedy shoot up through the system and debut in their first or second pro seasons.

    The Yankees have a very strong farm system, despite the overall lack of production by farmhands on the major league team right now (and even that’s misleading, since players such as Joba, Cabrera, Wang, and Cano *have* contributed, if not this season, then in the past). Most of the Yankees’ top prospects are in the mid- to low-levels of the farm system, which means they’re still a couple of years away.

    It’s very obvious that a lot of posters here have never witnessed an organization developing talent first-hand. In that regard, Yankee fans are almost exclusively alone: every other team’s fans have had to go through a rebuilding/reloading cycle at one point or another. The Red Sox went through a mini-reloading cycle just two years ago, missing the playoffs!

    Even then, this doesn’t have to be completely written off as a transition year. The Yankees still have time to make up ground, and eight games is not an insurmountable lead. The Yankees still have plenty of games to play, against both the Red Sox and the Rays, and look no further than the Mets last year (or the Rockies, who had an even more amazing comeback than the Yankees did, making up all their ground in a single month) to see how quickly a divisional race can turn around.

    Of course, you cannot ever count on occurrences like that. But it’s a long season, and it’s not over until the Yankees are mathematically eliminated.

    …they haven’t been yet.

  92. Jimbo July 1st, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Mo, not Melky, blew this game.

  93. YankeesTech July 1st, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    I would trade Melky for a Cheeseburger at this point.

  94. Evil Empire July 1st, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    you know, someone should have told the yankees that the rays and red sox are playing each other so if we win games, we make up ground against either team. while I am very unhappy with the outcome of the last two games, I guess Girardi was hoping that letting melky swing away at CJ Wilson maybe he’d find something and break out of his slump. his gidp only reaffirms the move to putting gardner in cf for some quality time

  95. The Fallen Phoenix July 1st, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    *http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/sports/features/9611/index2.html

    The comma accidentally got added to the link, so it wasn’t working, for those who wanted to read the article first-hand.

  96. NYY Fan in Baltimore July 1st, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    I’m new to this blog. Reading the above entries after watching the final two innings on mlb.tv was just what I needed to counter my disappointment.

    What would Phil Rizzuto say about Girardi’s decision to not bunt?

  97. Guiseppe Franco July 1st, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    I’m sorry. but that’s just stupid reasoning. At that point you play to extend the game, and do what you have to do later.

    No, it really isn’t.

    Why would you PH for Melky there (with the end result of losing your DH if you tie the game) with a runner on 1B and Jeter being the King of the DPs this season?

    Now if your argument would have been to PH for Gardner with a runner on 2B – that’s understandable.

    But it would have been dumb to PH Jeter there for Melky because he’s a DP machine himself and probably would have bunted WB over himself.

    It would have been much better for everyone if Melky had just bunted there and saved Jeter to PH for Gardner.

  98. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 1st, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    Blame Girardi.

    Have you read this blog ?

    Not Melky’s fault he didn’t get a bunt sign.

    0 for his last 18 why can’t we put blame on him ?

  99. SJ44 July 1st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Not bunting was stupid. The explanation as to why even worse.

    That said, this team is what it is. Not very good.

    Can’t hit, especially with RISP and its not getting better.

    Forget all the talk about trades for CC and all that other nonsense. Its not happening.

    This team isn’t one player away from being good. Its more like 10.

    Its gotten to the point where watching this team find new ways to lose would be laughable if it wasn’t so damn sad.

    Wasting the best year of Mariano’s career on this garbage. What a joke.

    They play and carry themselves like a last place team. Which, at this current pace, is where they may reside after this homestand.

    When you get completely shutdown by the Rangers and Oliver Perez, stop telling me how this is a “great” offense. It isn’t. If not for Seattle and Toronto, it would be the worst offense in the AL.

    209 million bucks to be closer to last place than first place on July 1. That’s one helluva accomplishment by the Yankees.

    From the top on down, they ought to be proud of that “achievement”.

    But, fear not, Sidney Ponson toes the rubber tomorrow for the Yankees to try and stop yet another 3 game losing streak.

    Can’t wait. More dead offense and a starter who can’t throw strikes. That will make for fun baseball.

  100. Bob(the original) July 1st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Don’t worry. We’ll get them tomorrow and take 3 out of 4 from the Sox. Be positive

    I don’t know whether to envy your optimistic view or pity your naivety.

    Ponson will more than likely get clobbered tomorrow by that offense(who by the way has an ax to grind with him anyways) and then we’ll most likely maybe win one against Boston.

    How you can stay optimisitc after half a season of watching the same broken record of a team game after game is beyond me.

    Accept it. They just stink.

  101. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 1st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Girardi is an idiot.

    Peachy and Torre is a super genius in LA

  102. stuart July 1st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    the bottom line is these guys still make there outrageous pay reardless of win or lose.

    they take losses better then most fans do and that is the bottom line.. listen to Joba with the standard JEter trite and vanilla answers..

    they Yanks cannot do much right you need to wipe out teams so every little play is not catostrophic… the yanks are in trouble not done but need to turn things around….

    with Matsui out they only have like 7 guys who get paid over $10 mill to hit the ball and they only can hit if they have 8 multi zillionaires in the lineup…

    the good news is seeing gardner, robertson, joba, veras, and the other young guys give us some hope the georgie days of over paying for every superstar may be ending… I would rather this team if they are going to be a average team then at least be likeable….

    have some young hard playing guys… ‘ the whitesux came back tonight they have done that like 20 times this yr. the yanks have done it like twice this year…….

  103. lil' m July 1st, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    The Fallen Phoenix: well said.

  104. pat July 1st, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    A night game tomorrow on another teams get away day. Yanks don’t usually do that.

  105. RockinDaBronx July 1st, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    Please for the love of all that is Holy stop starting Betemit, just stop it! These players can rest when they dont make the playoffs.

  106. BUZZ July 1st, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    the offense,Bullpen,Starting Rotation is inconsistant
    when the bullpen and starters are good the offense stinks when the offense and bullpen are good the starters stink, when the offense and starters are good the bullpen stinks you just cant win with that forumla

  107. rconn23 July 1st, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    “The Red Sox went through a mini-reloading cycle just two years ago, missing the playoffs!”

    This is not the same situation. Not even close. The Red Sox missed the playoffs and then won the World Series the next year. You think the Yankees are going to win the 2009 Series. With what?

    The roster is tired and old,except for Cano and Melky, who can’t hit. The young pitching prospects are YEARS away from helping this team. There are no viable position players in the minors. Austin Jackson,for all of his hype,has just been OK in AA.

  108. Eugie July 1st, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    We’re 4 games away from .500 … We have Ponson pitching tomorrow, a 4 game set with the Red Sox and then Tampa. This is going to hurt.

  109. Rishi July 1st, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    it’s usually on their own getaway days that the Yankees play a day game mid-week…

    Brandon, what’s the SP all about in your “name”

  110. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 1st, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    Please for the love of all that is Holy stop starting Betemit, just stop it! These players can rest when they dont make the playoffs.

    This makes sense diss the player that actaully got a hit w/ RISP and RBI too

  111. Jaewon July 1st, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    I’m sure someone has said the exact same thing I am about to say in an above comment but I don’t feel like reading all of them. Anyway, no blame should be given to Mariano Rivera for this game. Even for that run that he gave up. Kinsler hit a ball that was 4 inches inside down the line for a double. Great piece of hitting…you just have to tip your cap for that. Then, he took third basically off of Jorge Posada’s injured shoulder, he had a very small lead. Then Young chopped a ball straight into the ground that happened to get past a drawn in infield. There is really nothing any pitcher could’ve done to change that. I know its weird to see Mo give up runs. But that was one of Mo’s least earned earned runs. If you know what I mean

  112. Evil Empire July 1st, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    how can pitching be too young and too old? sorry the yankees rotation doesnt consist of 5 clones of josh beckett

  113. Nick in SF July 1st, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    Ugh, if Melky successfully bunts Gonzo over and they walk Jeter (putting the winning run on 1st base), then maybe you put the hit and run on for Abreu or maybe, god forbid, Abreu works a walk as he has been known to do to load the bases for Arod. Or maybe he even gets a hit, that’s been known to happen with Arod on deck!

    Sorry, I don’t usually do a lot of Girardi second guessing or get this down on the team, but I still can’t wrap my head around what happened in the bottom of the 9th.

  114. tonyb July 1st, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    “What would Phil Rizzuto say about Girardi’s decision to not bunt?”

    Rizzuto would have been home sleeping by the 5th inning since there was lightning in the area. He would be blissfully unaware of the madness emanating from the Yankee Dugout. I think the next morning you would have gotten a “Holy Cow” out of him while he was reading the papers.

  115. Bob(the original) July 1st, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    “How you can stay optimisitc after half a season of watching the same broken record of a team game after game is beyond me.”

    They were in worse shape last year and they won.

    Stop it with that tired line. It’s just not true at this point. Sure they were further behind Boston, but that’s not the whole story. Look at the difference in run diferential from last year on this day and today. It’s quite telling. This team is not last years team.

  116. Jorge Steinbrenner July 1st, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    when someone beats Mariano Rivera, i don’t complain. i say “you beat us.”

    i got on Girardi for taking Joba out early, but the pen did the job. Dave Robertson looked sharp. Dan Giese looked like a guy who got a real deal in getting pulled from the rotation after one bad start.

    in the end, our offense didn’t score runs, and the other team beat the best reliever on the face of the earth.

    i still love this team. if it’s that unbearable for someone to watch, go watch reality TV on Bravo instead. Shear Genius is on tomorrow.

  117. Eddie Lee Whitson July 1st, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    I dont know if this was mentioned tonight at all, but i think the loss of Larry Bowa is more evident now on how Cano has played this year as well as Melky. Bowa seemed to always be on Cano, pushing him to better himself and by doing that with Cano, appeared to follow suit by Cano’s amigo, Melky. Cano has been brutal all year as has Melky and with neither of them getting that kick in the pants by someone like Bowa has led to a disapointing season by both of them. I hope Melky gets a few days off and they play Garner to see what happens, Wally Pip anyone?

  118. Evil Empire July 1st, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    we just lost 2 games to texas…we didnt lose the world series for the next 5 yrs like some posters are believing. good teams bounce back. get over it, everyone goes through slumps. if you think the rays are going to win out, and boston win -1 and take the wild card then raise your hand and punch yourself in the face.

  119. Jaewon July 1st, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    Does anybody know if Girardi has explained himself yet in an interview? I want to know what he said. Pete? I know you’ll let us know when you hear something.

    I still have a feeling Melky got the bunt sign but he missed it….. I dunno thats just the way things have been going for him and for this team

  120. Frank Discussion July 1st, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    I’d love to see them repeat a surge similar to the last half of the previous season, but I’m not holding my breath. AL East is a different division this year and Detroit is getting it’s act together.

  121. Peter Abraham July 1st, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    What in the hell is wrong with some of you people?

    Wishing a player dead? Congratulations, you’re now banned from commenting, your IP address has been recorded and you’re lucky if I don’t forward it to the MLB security people and/or the police to have you checked out.

    And to the person who is impersonating some regular posters (such as V) keep it up and yopu’ll be banned, too.

  122. Guiseppe Franco July 1st, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Pinch-hitting for Melky there would have been dumb. Melky should have bunted him over instead.

    A bunt by Melky would have given Damon and Gardner (or Jeter) a shot to tie the game with 1 out and a man at 2B.

    If you use Jeter there with 0 outs and a runner on 1st – you risk doing the same thing with Jeter GIDP or bunting WB over himself.

    What sense would that have made?

    Zero.

    So stop with the PH for Melky. I’m no fan of him at all but that would have been a stupid strategic move.

  123. BUZZ July 1st, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    melkys value probably dropped alot

  124. CaptainsCorner July 1st, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    If an NL manager would not let a pitcher bat in the 9th inning why would Girardi let Melky bat?? I mean can he possibly look anymore over matched at this point? It is laughable how lost and pathetic he looks.

  125. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 1st, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    That is why not getting Santana was a huge mistake.

    Right because he would have pitched 12 shutouts and droven in a run to boot :roll:

  126. BUZZ July 1st, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    GOod job pete

  127. Jaewon July 1st, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    anyone? Girardi interview? Has it happened?

  128. stuart July 1st, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    they will lose giambi, abreu, next yr for sure that is 2 lineup positions… if they can move matsui or damon that would be 3..

    they lose giambi and abreu for $37 mill if they overpay for Tex they will still save $20 mill per yr. Tex is a switch hitter that can field and is only 29.. that is a good signing and then a I stay pat unless a pitcher at a reasonalbe rate and timeframe becomes available. Signing CC for some insane Johan contract is simply insanity…

    Joba will be a yr older, wang can pitch(who knows if he is an ace but he is pretty good), Moose is gone(regardless of how he does this yr. again to much of a gamble he is 39), we will see about Pettite and go from there.. Maybe they can trade for some younger talent for there RF, or move Jorge to DH/1b/Catcher once in a blue moon so if you say adios to matsui then Jorge can fill that spot…

    continue on the plan of developing within and on occasion sign a FA preferably a position player and go from there. Signing pitcher FA’s is way way to risky and almost never works out..

  129. Nick in SF July 1st, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    Sorry, I’m kind of confused, JUST LIKE GIRARDI, I forgot the exact situation. I don’t get to watch the postgame stuff on YES. But I know it was Damon up after Melky, not Abreu. But still, bunt Melky. Don’t have Jeter PH for Melky. Just bunt him.

  130. Eugie July 1st, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    Jaewon,

    “I just didn’t think it was the right move” – Joe Girardi on why he didn’t bunt.

  131. S.A.- No pain..no gain! I still believe in this team July 1st, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Can anyone recap what Girardi said after the game? I missed it unfortunately.

    I’m just so befuddled by this team.
    I still believe in this team..but it’s getting harder to do so when they play more games like this
    :(

  132. Evil Empire July 1st, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    our rotation with wang in it right now would be one of the best in baseball so you cant tell me our pitching is too old and too young

  133. Russell W July 1st, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Melky sucks. Can we PLEASE stop penciling in Melky. You mean to tell me we cant find a better outfielder on the FA market than Melky? Go away Melky.

  134. Bob(the original) July 1st, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    “Stop it with that tired line. It’s just not true at this point. Sure they were further behind Boston, but that’s not the whole story. Look at the difference in run diferential from last year on this day and today. It’s quite telling. This team is not last years team.”

    They said the same thing about last year’s team. This team will be okay. Take tomorrow and three out of four with Boston.

    Well, I hope you’re right, but…….

    forget it…just pass the bong. ;)

  135. TL July 1st, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Girardi is into stats. 0-for-19 and he thinks Melky can do something?

  136. Rishi July 1st, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    oh great – no pressure ponson…just go out and beat the team the dropped you (facing the pitcher who replaced you, no less) and give up 0 runs. I hope he does it, but really (as we have all said 10000 times) at some point more than 2 runners have to score to win games

  137. Russell W July 1st, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    “melkys value probably dropped alot”

    He has no value… he sucks.

  138. gambler July 1st, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    We don’t have a good home record. That is the sign of a team that just isn’t that good.

  139. V (original) July 1st, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Tomorrow is another day. Don’t give up on Melky.

  140. TL July 1st, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    The Rangers are really going to be fired up tomorrow against Fat Sid. These aren’t the Mess. He’s not posting zeroes. This offense needs to score tomorrow or it’s more of the same.

  141. CaptainsCorner July 1st, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Girardi is a moron. How can he say with a straight face that he didn’t have Melky bunt because the pitcher just walked the previous batter and why give him an out when if Melky gets a pitch to hit he can make it 1st and 3rd no one out. Also that the lefties didn’t have good numbers against the pitcher!!?? That was a ridiculous answer. Are we talking about he same Melky here? Melky the dreadful, who is 0-20. Not a real major leaguer. Also why is he always so scared of the lefty-lefty match up?? He is soo scared of it that he usually over manages against it. Just like he did against garbage Perez.

  142. Eugie July 1st, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    “Girardi is into stats. 0-for-19 and he thinks Melky can do something?”

    After that Sunday game with Mets, I don’t think he looks at stats.

  143. Hank July 1st, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    “Mr. Steinbrenner is in seclusion in the east wing”
    Where is Hanks Declarations now? When did the Yankees become poster children for complacent? Blow the locks off the farm system before any more of a prospects values drop quicker then A-rods pants at Madonna’s. This franchise is completely lost think “fall of the Roman Empire”

  144. stuart July 1st, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    yes Girardi was interviewed and it was not his best effort. his rationale was; the lefties have not hit well against wilson, they are not hitting well with RISP, and the ywould have walked Jeter.

    This wa not a good performance, if the ywalked Jeter they would have walked the winning run and again if abreu cannot hit leftie in the clutch we are doomed anyways..

    I like Giradi but tonight his decision was bad becuase Melky was hitting right(terrible), is in a slump, and they had good options coming up.

    For the clowns who have been whining about there prospects what are you smoking? They now have prospects. they until now have not had prospects for years. the yahve so many pithing prospects they will have to trade some pitchers. next year there pen will have about 5 or 6 guys 25 or younger, that is legit.. Jackson is not a prospect, I absolutley have never seen him play except spring training but he is doing quite well in AA, 8 HR’s the guy is 21 and has a chance to be a star.. and for the failure Tabata he is far from a failure, he is 19 and doing fine and learning about failure..

    AGAIN IF YOU MENTAL MIDGETS ALLOW CASHMAN TO STAY WITH HIS PLAY AND SHOW SOME MINIMAL AMOUNT OF PATIENCE THE YANKS ILL BE LOADED FOR YEARS AND YEARS… IF you think Hughes is washed up or not legit because of his failure at 21 you are beyond help…….

  145. raymagnetic July 1st, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    “It’s very obvious that a lot of posters here have never witnessed an organization developing talent first-hand. In that regard, Yankee fans are almost exclusively alone: every other team’s fans have had to go through a rebuilding/reloading cycle at one point or another. The Red Sox went through a mini-reloading cycle just two years ago, missing the playoffs!

    Even then, this doesn’t have to be completely written off as a transition year. The Yankees still have time to make up ground, and eight games is not an insurmountable lead. The Yankees still have plenty of games to play, against both the Red Sox and the Rays, and look no further than the Mets last year (or the Rockies, who had an even more amazing comeback than the Yankees did, making up all their ground in a single month) to see how quickly a divisional race can turn around.

    Of course, you cannot ever count on occurrences like that. But it’s a long season, and it’s not over until the Yankees are mathematically eliminated.

    …they haven’t been yet.”

    Couldn’t have said this any better myself.

  146. G. Love (the cliche) July 1st, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    I kind of get the feeling that Girardi is going to stick with Melky even harder after what happened tonight.

    This team needs changes. It’s stale. You know what’s going to happen before it happens. There’s little surprise with them right now.

  147. TL July 1st, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    I just can’t believe some of these aholes on here. Wishing death on Melky and some clown said last night someone needs to hit Kevin Long in the head from behind. I’m a little sensitive on that issue as a friend got sucker punched from behind and died after a softball game Sunday.

  148. Brandon (Jose Tabata stays) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 1st, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    Be back later but for anybody who even thought he was an option Shelley Duncan go hurt tonight making a dive at the warning track so scratch him off any type of anything right now.

  149. The Fallen Phoenix July 1st, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    How many moves and call-ups did the Red Sox make between 2006 and 2007? Quite a bit. I would not say that the Red Sox team that finished third in 2006 was completely different than the Red Sox team that won the World Series in 2007, but there *was* a great deal of roster turnover, and there were several key additions — both through the free agent market (J.D. Drew, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Hideki Okajima) and through player call-ups (Jon Lester, Dustin Pedroia, late-season Jacoby Ellsbury). Many of the Red Sox’s younger players, such as Papelbon, stepped up and continued their development in a good way.

    There were a lot of variables surrounding the Red Sox team as it came into 2007. Pundits said they didn’t have a bullpen. Beckett was still largely an enigma, and pundits were wondering whether he could be a successful starter in the AL, or if he could stay on the field for another full season. After injuries and ineffectiveness to Ortiz and Manny, people weren’t confident enough to predict MVP numbers out of them, either.

    In a lot of ways, the Yankees are in a similar boat right now. They’re dealing with ineffectiveness from players who they expected to be major contributors, players like Jeter and Cano (admittedly, both are starting to heat up now). They’ve lost players like Matsui and Wang to injury, and the young players who are expected to provide the core of this team for the next three or four years haven’t gotten all the way there yet, just as Lester (who’s really only coming into his own this season, three years after his major league debut), Pedroia, Ellsbury, and Buchholz (who has quietly been as ineffective as Hughes/Kennedy this season) were either not all the way there, or not even on people’s radar screens as contributors.

    No one expected the Red Sox to make a splash and pick up Daisuke, and the Yankees might have the opportunity to make a similar splash — be it a pitcher such as C.C. Sabathia, a position player such as Mark Teixeira, or perhaps they just round out the roster in a manner similar to the 2004 Red Sox, or the 1996 Yankees (picking up complementary players via FA or trade).

    The Yankees have a lot of options, they’re going to have a good deal of roster flexibility heading into the offseason, and they have a nice staple of prospects with which to deal from, or to wait and see who develops and steps up.

    I an definitely envision a Yankees World Series championship next year. Will a lot of things need to break the Yankees way for it to happen? Yes, but you can say that of almost any World Series team year-to-year. Look at the Rays this year: they needed to get major contributions from a lot of young players who hadn’t performed consistently on both sides of the ball (offensively or defensively) ever before, and very few individuals (outside of the sabermetrics community, interestingly enough) took them seriously at the season’s outset. Suddenly, they’re one or two acquisitions away from being mid-season favorites from the World Series.

    But that’s the other thing to keep in mind. It’s still 2008, it’s still only July. We’re not quite at the All-Star break, and things can still change. Cashman can make a major acquisition, or players like Robertson and Gardner can get called up in the next month and make a major impact. While a lot of the Yankees’ premium talent aren’t in the upper levels of the system, there are players like Aceves, like Cox, who are in the upper levels of the system who can at least shape the roster positively, or be used in a deal to plug some holes.

    Or maybe Cashman really makes a splash and signs Barry Bonds. Who knows? Rather than get depressed and think that there’s no way the Yankees can win this season, have a little hope. You don’t need to think the Yankees will make the postseason, but there’s little reason to think that there is a 100% certainty of missing it this year.

    There’s pessimism, and then there’s fatalism. And I’m detecting a lot of the latter here.

  150. Chris (save Jose Tabata!) July 1st, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    I know this might not mean anything but it’s kind of scary to think about. Baseball-reference says Jeter’s career offensive stats are most similar to Robbie Alomar’s through age 33 (as well as 29,30,31, and 32).

    http://www.baseball-reference......de01.shtml

    (It’s near the bottom of the page)

    Hopefully Jeter’s dropoff doesn’t continue in the same dramatic fashion that Alomar’s did…

    http://www.baseball-reference......ro01.shtml

  151. yossi July 1st, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    i think girardi really dosent get it i would have loved to see some “leader” confront girardi in that situation

  152. Evil Empire July 1st, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    does melky start in cf tomorrow or does gardner? thats the question of the night. melky could use a day off but while i agree with how girardi has managed the team he is stubborn

  153. Old Goat July 1st, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    I wouldn’t count the season over just yet. Last year they didn’t look any better than they did this year.

    That being said, there were changes made to the team. Things could change for the better, but through the season so far, it hasn’t happened yet.

    The winning run tonight was more on Posada than Mo. The steal of third base should have been an out. Had Jorge been on target and not 4 feet over in foul territory with the throw the ball would have been in A-Rod’s glove in plenty of time.

    I get the feeling that Girardi keeps waiting for something to happen rather than trying to make something happen. His playing with the lineup would be fine if it produced something. It hasn’t.

    I enjoy watching Melky play, but he really needs to be benched for a while. Keep him around to go in for a defensive change, and maybe have him take a ton extra batting practices.

    The pitchers throw bullpen sessions. Why not have Melky stand in the batters box and call out the locations of the pitches thrown to get him back to seeing the ball for what it is? Try something innovative rather than keeping on sending him up and getting the same results.

    Have the team on the field doing simulated situations to get them working on playing small ball, batting with RISP. ANYTHING. Something is better than doing the same as they have been.

  154. Eugie July 1st, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    “There’s little surprise with them right now.”

    I don’t agree. I was very surprised tonight.

  155. yossi July 1st, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    hire larry bowa

  156. tonyb July 1st, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Here’s my take on the offense:

    It’s a team full of lefty’s who always swing at that flippin short porch. No matter what the count is, they take monster hacks at every pitch. I never see anyone shorten up with 2 strikes, or look to go the other way when you just need a single to score a run. That’s why the dynasty lineups were so great – they had guys that understood situational hitting, had great focus and rarely gave away at bats. Case in point: Giambi has a hell of an OPS even while facing a shift, but what does he hit with RISP?

    This lineup needs to take a better approach and get their collective head in the game by thinking TEAM first.

  157. Eugie July 1st, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    “hire larry bowa”

    He didn’t go for it because of the way they handled Torre.

    I was hoping he would go for it.

  158. Evil Empire July 1st, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    HEY EVERYBODY

    were not the mets
    support your manager. he tried foolishly to snap melkys slump, it didnt work, get over it. i was thrilled when G was hired as were many other yankee fans but now all the sudden “hes a moron” or “he doesnt know baseball.” come on, stop whining. look at the bright side, cano is hitting and brett gardner is on the team. who know where july aug and sept will take us boston and the rays but we are in the hunt and have a potentially deadly team if we can find the fight inside and make it to oct again. come on whose comin with me

  159. yossi July 1st, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    melky is a good bunter,he must be totally lost.I could see girardi thinking that he dosent want to ruin his confidence,which is totally WRONG thats typical thinking:a major league manager needs to think bigger im totally disappointed

  160. stuart July 1st, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    TH FALEN PHOENIX AND RAY MAGNEtIC you guys have great thoughtful posts.

    again the posters who say the Yanks have no prospects are morons. ;joba is 22, robertson is 23, veras I think is 25, what are you talking about??????????

    I bet there minor league system is the best it has been in 20 years if not more.

    it is a big if but if wang was healthy with joba pettite, moose and hopefully hughes in 6 weeks that is a legit staff… the reaso nthe yare losing again is not real complicated; the guys who are paid to perform almost as a whole have not performed….

    damon, I will give you giambi because of the obp have performed up to expectations in the lineup and that is it.. Name another position player who has performed up to expectations and it is not all about age; acanoe is 25, melky is 24, arod is 32, and the old guys are 34 not 40 yrs old………

    SAY IT 20 TIMES THEY HAVE MANY PROSPECTS IN THE MINORS YES MOST OUR ARMS NOT POSITION PLAYERS BUT THOSE ARE MAKING PROGRESS ALSO.

  161. saucy July 1st, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Bunt?
    Whatever happened to not giving outs away?

  162. Noonin July 1st, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    Girardi really screwed this one up, period. Maybe we don’t win, but that’s just bad managing.

  163. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 1st, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    stuey, my apologies. I know the Yankees did not pick up Damon contract last year. I cut the sentence a bit short.

    I mean to say, picking up Damon in addition to the stuff they did last year did not help.

  164. Eugie July 1st, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    Bunt?
    Whatever happened to not giving outs away?

    Melky is an out.

  165. TL July 1st, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    Hey Melky: JC hit a two-run bomb tonight:)

  166. The Fallen Phoenix July 1st, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: I don’t buy the Larry Bowa narrative. I don’t think Cano isn’t performing due to not working hard enough, or due to laziness. If that were the case, I think he’d probably be equally as miserable in the field as he has been at the plate for most of this season, when in fact he’s having his best defensive season to date, and therefore continuing that upward defensive trend.

    He also happened to account for the good deal of the offense today, so there seems to be some evidence that he might be working out of his slump, too.

    No question Cano has been the biggest offensive underperformer thus far this season. It isn’t even close. But just because Cano was absolutely brutal for two months, and as much as it hurt the team, it certainly hasn’t killed it, since Cano has still provided value-above-replacement (in large part thanks to his stellar defense), and the Yankees are in no way out of the playoff picture.

    Seven-and-a-half games are still in reach for the Yankees. There’s also the wild card, which no single team is running away with quite yet, either. Cano can go on a tear just as he did after the All Star break last season (and he most certainly has the talent to do all that and more), and carry the team on his shoulders.

    …okay, he likely won’t pull an A-Rod in that regard, although I firmly believe Cano has that type of ceiling. He won’t belt thirteen home runs in a single month, but Cano has the ability to make consistent, solid contact when everything is working right for him, and that would go a long way towards solving the Yankees’ troubles with runners in scoring position.

    But even if the Yankees ultimately aren’t competitive this season, that does NOT, I repeat does NOT mean they are doomed to being uncompetitive next year, too. The Rays lost the most games in the AL last year, and are suddenly the majors’ best team. The Red Sox missed the playoffs in 2006, won the World Series in 2007.

    The Yankees are certainly set up to orchestrate that kind of turnaround if they don’t make the playoffs this season. I know it doesn’t seem like that way, because again, no one has the patience to sit through a transitional year, or wait for the Yankees’ farm system to start to pay dividends (again, because instant success and instant impact is the all-encompassing narrative, even though it rarely works that way, ESPECIALLY not in baseball). But it will. The Yankees have too deep of a system, and too talented a front office, not to make the moves necessary to set this team up for success through the 20teens.

  167. Wangawa July 1st, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    good things about girardi:
    - lets starting pitchers go deeper into games, which saves the bullpen
    - gives the younger guys more of a chance than torre did

    bad things about girardi:
    - too many lineup changes
    - makes really ridiculous decisions in crucial situations (examples: having mussina pitch to manny, not having melky bunt, etc.)

  168. cheezits July 1st, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    i cant pinpoint why the yanks arent scoring anybody?

  169. DFox July 1st, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    These last two losses were tough, no doubt, but I think everyone should get over them.

    I don’t care how bad this offense looks. Just look at the lineup. Where are the bad hitters? There aren’t any. By far the worse is Melky, and a lineup of 8 allstar hitters shouldn’t be terribly effected by 1 weaker spot. So do you guys honestly think the inconsistency will be there the rest of the season? I don’t. I just don’t see where this lineup is lacking.

    Now, last year, the Yankees had more problems than they do this year in the pitching department. To me, starting pitching problems are much worse than the offense being inconsistent.

    And now the bullpen is looking pretty damn good. Robertson looks good, Veras looks good, Farnsworth is better more times than not, and Rivera has been great.

    Any way you want to twist it, meaning playing the age card, the no bullpen card, the bad manager card, this team is VERY good. I don’t care how flat the offense looks right now. I guarantee you if the Yankee pitchers can keep holding teams to 2 or 3 runs they aren’t going to lose many games.

  170. stuart July 1st, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    Melky rests tommorrow count on that… If he played I would be shocked.. Posada DH, and Molina behind the plate and gardner in CF with Damon in LF….

    Only 1 total loser hitter Molina hitting 9th or maybe 8th and hit Gardner 9th…..

  171. Old Goat July 1st, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    When the Rangers pushed across a run you first have to play for the tie, not the win. That sometimes means sacrifice an out to push a lead off runner over into scoring position. Especially when the batter has not been hitting but can actually lay down a bunt.

    Waiting and hoping for the HR hit is far riskier.

  172. TL July 1st, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    “I guarantee you if the Yankee pitchers can keep holding teams to 2 or 3 runs they aren’t going to lose many games.”

    The way the Yankees’ pitching staff is rolling, if the offense was clicking we would be making a run to the top of the division. The staff can’t keep this up.

  173. gambler July 1st, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    One hit a game with runners on base the past 3 games and we got 3 more wins.

  174. stuart July 1st, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    season to date everything has come up roses for the rays here are just a few examples.

    Balfour has been out of his mind from the pen, he is a pickup fro mthe garbage dump, the twins let him go.

    jp Howell has been great 6 and 0 with 2 saves check out his #’s the last 2 years , they were awful.. He is young but throws mid 80′s..

    Eric Hinske in right has like 13 HR’s in limited time, the guy hit less then 200 last year for boston as a part timer… yes crawford and upton do not have great #’s but maybe crawford is a very good not great player and same with Upton…….

    the Yanks have not gotten many above expectation performances except from moose, damon, veras, and joba probably…. that is it…. Molina has not been terrible but he is hitting 220 and look at Rigans the rays back up catcher his #’s are way over expectations.

    I bet Varitek is done with the Sux no way those guys give him a long term deal, NO WAY….HE does look bad

  175. Noonin July 2nd, 2008 at 12:00 am

    The lineup is old, that’s the problem, big names…and the majority of them aren’t living up to their contracts or reputations anymore.

  176. DFox July 2nd, 2008 at 12:01 am

    TL, I think the staff can keep it up. At points in the beginning they were bad, now they are good, the offense is bad. The way I look at it, eventually, like in the second half of the season, they are both going to click. It’s just a matter of time.

    gambler, exactly, and I ask people this… How many times can a lineup of mostly superstars fail to get that hit? I think the odds say they are going to start getting them.

  177. stuart July 2nd, 2008 at 12:01 am

    true the rotation will never keep this up, there pitching with the injuries is not that good..

  178. TL July 2nd, 2008 at 12:02 am

    “When the Rangers pushed across a run you first have to play for the tie, not the win.”

    I guess Girardi didn’t learn that lesson with the Marlins. At least he did learn the “never bring your start back after an 82-minute rain delay lesson.” Josh Johnson is finally getting back into the minors now after that Girardi move.

  179. DFox July 2nd, 2008 at 12:02 am

    Noonin, names please. I’d like to know the names of the old players in the Yankee lineup that are under performing, and I’d like to know the names of the players on competing teams that are better than them.

  180. FIRE JOE G! BRING MATTINGLY! July 2nd, 2008 at 12:03 am

    he upset me tonite i never liked him as choice for the manager now i have even more reasons why.

  181. Jack July 2nd, 2008 at 12:04 am

    melky..double play…i say send him down
    or put him on bench..i agree with madd dogg..hes a 4th outfielder

  182. fren. July 2nd, 2008 at 12:06 am

    Girardi’s post game comments were shameful. Kept saying “we” tried justifying that our hitters had bad numbers against Wilson (Lefties hit him better, Abreu hits lefties better) when Abreu was 0-2 facing him, Jeter had a few hits in limited AB’s against him (.400+ BA)

    Tonight said a lot about Girardi. I’m an avid supporter, but he did a lot of damage control and refused to admit it was the wrong move. He should rightfully get hammered by the NY media for this.

  183. TL July 2nd, 2008 at 12:06 am

    Hey Jack,

    Send him down where?

  184. DFox July 2nd, 2008 at 12:10 am

    Yeah Girardi does need to take more responsibility for stupid moves. Who in their right mind wouldn’t take two tries from Johnny Damon and Derek Jeter to get one single hit to tie the game?

  185. Wangawa July 2nd, 2008 at 12:10 am

    even if the Rangers intentionally walk Jeter, like Girardi said, you still have damon and abreu coming up with a runner on 2nd… i’ll take my chances with that, instead of a melky double play

  186. ML July 2nd, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Pete,

    Thanks for taking out the trash. We really need to move to a sign in system to get rid of these trolls.

    As for Girardi, I want to tear my hair out hearing that the lefty-righty thing is how he makes his decisions. Terrible.

    Damon is our hottest hitter. You can bring Jeter up for Gardner. And Abreu is hitting lefties better than righties this year. And Melky is terrible right now, ESPECIALLY from the right side. Just absurd. I thought Girardi was supposed to be the stat guy, as opposed to Torre going with his gut. Is Girardi reading the stat book? Is he watching Melky’s at bats?

    Having said that, I don’t think that this is the end of the season. Cano looks like he’s back. I do think the offense will come around. We should have a good shot at the wild card.

  187. TIME 4#27 July 2nd, 2008 at 12:22 am

    If the yankees dont care why should we???

  188. Adam July 2nd, 2008 at 12:39 am

    Exactly how did River pitch poorly tonight? He allowed one clean hit, which was the leadoff double to Kinsler. The stolen base was on Posada…if he can’t throw somebody out at third, why is he catching? The RBI single was a grounder up the middle, a groundout if the infield isn’t drawn in. Bradley’s single was a broken bat roller up the 3rd base line…

  189. Frank July 2nd, 2008 at 12:41 am

    Austin Jackson is a career .282 hitter in the minors with a .769 OPS. He’s our #1 prospect.

    Our farm system sucks.

    Go look at some of the Red Sox position prospects, even mid-level ones, and do a comparison.

    The Yankees scout about as well as they hit.

  190. frankied July 2nd, 2008 at 12:48 am

    I was a full supporter of Girardi becoming manager of the Yankees but now it appears I was wrong. One word to describe Girardi’s actions today: ASININE.

  191. Gary July 2nd, 2008 at 12:49 am

    Indefensibly horrible Girardi managerial moves so far:

    (1) Scratching Kennedy from a start in KC for fear of a rain delay that never materialized;

    (2) Letting Mussina pitch to Manny in Boston;

    (3) Sitting Abreu, Cano, and Giambi in the same game against Oliver Perez, when all three are hitting better this year against lefties than they are righties and Cano and Giambi have good career numbers against Perez;

    (4) Allowing a .244 hitter in an 0-18 slump to swing away in the bottom of the ninth with no outs and the tying run on first base.

    I’m sorry, but there’s just no way around it: Girardi is an awful, awful manager. I can see now why the Marlins were so quick to get rid of him.

  192. The Fallen Phoenix July 2nd, 2008 at 12:53 am

    How did Hanley Ramirez hit in the minors?

    Furthermore, how’s Ellsbury doing this season? (The answer is poorly; Joe Sheehan wrote an article over at Baseball Prospectus theorizing he’s being overmatched. Especially significant since Gardner could share the same fate in a few months.) Or Pedroia, before he decided to hit over .400 in June?

    Buccholz has (quietly) been as ineffective as Kennedy and Hughes on the major league level. Masterson has performed admirably in spot starts, I’ll give the Red Sox that, but otherwise…most of their young (homegrown) talent certainly haven’t performed up to the hype, either.

    Lester and Papelbon have been performing well, but they both came up a few years ago. See my above post about how that’s the typical development curve for prospects (not a one-two-three year quick track) to break into baseball, something Cashman is highly aware of (Boston’s “three year start” refers specifically to the drafting and development of the wave of Red Sox players I just mentioned, most of whom were in Boston’s system before Cashman assumed direct control of Yankee ops in 2005).

    I’ll grant that none of the Red Sox prospects have seemingly bombed the way Cabrera and Cano have this season, but Wang was performing (arguably outperforming) Lester until he was injured, Cano projects better than Pedroia long term both offensively *and* defensively, and Chamberlain is more of an impact player than Buccholz in the majors right now.

  193. Matt July 2nd, 2008 at 12:55 am

    To all of you saying that good teams bounce back from this and yada yada…

    Maybe this just isn’t a good team this year. How about this rationale also?

    Good teams don’t lose games like tonight, at home, against the worst pitching in baseball.

    They’ve lost 2 games at home against Texas 2-1 and 3-2 against the team with the worst pitching in baseball. Good teams find ways to win one run games at home. Be honest, would the Red Sox ever lose 2 games like this back to back in Fenway? No way.

    There is not enough mental toughness on this team. They don’t come back when the other team scores first. They don’t bounce back well from potential turn around kind of wins let alone losses. They have no fire on the field and are not grinding out at bats, and haven’t been doing so all season.

    Let’s face it, unless this team wakes up suddenly, they are going to get buried very soon in these races. They have key guys out but they still have most of the team healthy. They have underachieved greatly this year, but you can’t sit on your laurels and wait for the “second half turnaround.” You have to play well and stop making excuses.

    The games we throw away in the first half are the ones you want back when you’re fighting in the 2nd half for a potential playoff spot. The games we lose in the first half are the ones that force us to play .750 ball in the 2nd half to have any chance to make it. Look, it’s very simple. You have to be consistent, we aren’t, and if we don’t become so soon, we won’t go anywhere this year.

  194. Frank July 2nd, 2008 at 1:05 am

    That’s funny because BOTH Ellsbury and Pedroia are playing better than BOTH Cano and Cabrera.

    Ellsbury hitting somewhere between .270 and .280 in his first full season isn’t a shock. And it’s also more acceptable when he’s on pace to steal 70 + bases.

    Pedroia was ROY.

    Buchholz’s struggles are NOWHERE NEAR the struggles Hughes and Kennedy had this season. He’s thrown a no-hitter has an ERA about 4 runs lower than both Hughes and Kennedy.

  195. Frank July 2nd, 2008 at 1:07 am

    Our farm isn’t even close to the Red Sox.

  196. Mop-Up Man July 2nd, 2008 at 1:12 am

    Here are a few points about tonight’s game (not all bad):

    1. Melky’s days are numbered. He was always thought of by critics as a fourth outfielder. It shows. He will play good defense and get the occasional hit, but he will never hit enough or GET ON BASE ENOUGH to be a full-time center fielder, not for the Yankees, anyway. He’s been a black hole all year in the lineup and that simply can’t continue. It’s sad to see him slumping like this; he looks lost.

    2. Joba is wild tonight and still strikes out 6. That’s a good sign among nothing but good signs from the budding star.

    3. Hopefully, this night of rest will give Jeter a chance to shine in the near future. It worked this week for David Wright. Jeter has had an eerily down year this year and it’s hard to see this team winning even 85 games if he’s not his usual self.

    4. I also hope that Brett Gardner gets regular at bats for a bit. He shows good knowledge of the strike zone and the hits will come. It’s exciting to watch him run. He also looks very confident in LF, unlike the first few appearances in that spot by the guy mentioned in (1).

    5. Is there anyone on the team more unassailable when he fails than Mo? I think not.

  197. Farewell Playoff July 2nd, 2008 at 1:49 am

    Aging Yankees symbolized the end of the ballclub for this season.
    See you next year! CMW.

  198. Wang IS Taiwan July 2nd, 2008 at 3:56 am

    You gotta know that Girardi is going to stay with Melky and his stupid “rest the players because we need to lose more games” routine because he MUST be right. Oh, and let’s not forget his addiction to stats. What about playing the hot bat? His in-game managing is for the birds.

    Ugh. We’re stuck with him now.

  199. dougj1 July 2nd, 2008 at 3:57 am

    Yanks need to do 2 things in order to someday get to a WS. 1. FIRE CASHMAN….2.Replace him with someone who knows talent and knows how to rebuild a team…..There isn’t one of you who knows that the most important person on an ML ballclub is the GM. Until you accept that fac, you will continue to suffer….Yanks will NEVER win a WS until the changes are met.

  200. 86w183 July 2nd, 2008 at 7:26 am

    My turn to pile on. I’ve been supportive of the Girardi hire from day one and defended him from what I viewed as unfair criticism, but his management of the bottom of the ninth inning may be the worst I’ve seen in a long time.

    First, the one thing that CAN NOT happen in that situation is allow Melky to swing the bat. He’s below .200 against LHP this year PLUS in the worst slump of his career. If he stays up there he must BUNT.

    Second, how can you let this game end against a LH closer with Derek Jeter not getting to the plate? He was the most rested guy on the team at that point and was ready to step in. He could swing away, or they cold hit and run… either way you have a first class bat up there.

    Joe’s explanation that “we haven’t been hitting with runners on” is insane and should have been attacked by the lap dogs covering this team. Is he saying that Melky was more likely to advance Betemit/Gonzo to THIRD BASE than Jeter or Damon was to drive in a run from SECOND? Because that’s the only thought process that matches up with his comments and that process could get you institutionalized!

    I’m not yet giving up on this season, but the Yankees are three weeks from having to decide if they are buyers or sllers at the deadline. At this point, I’d bet on being in “sell” mode getting whatever useful pieces they can for Abreu, Giambi, Damon, Matsui, Farnswrst, Mussina et al

  201. Rone July 2nd, 2008 at 8:33 am

    Baltimore got a break when Girardi declined to manager there. He’s just awful. He seems clueless strategically, can’t manage a line up, and rests guys who are hot yet insists on sticking with guys who clearly need a blow (oh, he benched Cano for ONE games). Who stinks? HE STINKS!

  202. Chet July 2nd, 2008 at 8:37 am

    This is the most frustrating team to watch the Yankees have put together in the last 15 years. The $200+ million train wreck is back in the station and is in dire need of a serious overhall. Looks like the starting pitching and bullpen are doing ok and the offense goes to sleep. There has been no sync this year with this team. With Matsui out and Gardner up Giambi should be the DH daily with Posada at 1B. And Melky should be sitting and could spell Damon in LF late in games for defense.

    Lineup could be:
    Damon LF
    Jeter SS
    Abreau RF
    Rodriquez 3B
    Giambi DH
    Posada 1B
    Cano 2B
    Molina C
    Gardener CF

    Chet

  203. pete July 2nd, 2008 at 8:54 am

    why didn’t edwar pitch the ninth inning?? we all know mariano can’t pitch in tied games…..edwar struck out kinsler the night before. he would have struck him out again with the changeup.

  204. pete July 2nd, 2008 at 8:55 am

    obviously we all know that mariano cant pitch in tied games.. except for joe g.

  205. Jeff July 2nd, 2008 at 9:09 am

    Girardi must go

  206. Jeremy July 2nd, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Using Rivera in a tie game in the top of the ninth is and will always be the right move.

    Rivera does not have some bizarre aversion to pitching in non-save situations. He will give up runs every year – this year he has just happened to give them up in non-save situations. It’s a coincidence.

    And it’s not as if Rivera collapses in non-save situations this season. His WHIP in non-save situations is still less than 1, and he still averages more than a strikeout per inning. In short, he always pitches very well. It’s just that his mistakes in tie games have been very noticeable because (1) a run allowed in a tie game is always important, whereas a run allowed with a 2 or 3 run lead can be meaningless, and (2) Rivera happens to have a zero ERA in save situations.

    Something I’d like to see is if Rivera has a history of pitching worse in non-save situations than save situations.

  207. Scott July 2nd, 2008 at 11:00 am

    Wait wait wait. Why the hell did he bunt with a FAST runner IN SCORING POSITION with NOBODY OUT in the FIRST INNING?

  208. Fan mail from some flounder... July 2nd, 2008 at 11:39 am

    I can see Joe G. showing faith / confidence, ala Joe T., in his players (Melky, Farnsdouche, the rest of the bullpen, etc) but with 40 losses already in the books, its time to throw faith down the tunnel. Granted its the players that ultimately decide the success or failure of any strategy but with three well pitched games and three losses, well methinks the in-qame management needs a new approach. In the prior two seasons, while Joe T. slept on the bench, the post all-star game Yanks hit their way into the playoffs. Maybe they will this year too. Question is: how long can Joe G. afford to impersonate Joe T.?

  209. Sawyer July 2nd, 2008 at 11:47 am

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