Comments on: Tell Mo they changed the save rule http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/ A Yankees Blog by Journal News beat writer Peter Abraham Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:28:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Jimbo http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419344 Jimbo Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:13:42 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419344 If you don't see the pattern - going back several years - of Mo blowing tie games, then you're either not watching or you're purposely burying your head in the sand. Veras, who pitched an inning on Monday and didn't throw on Sunday, was the better choice. Mo blew the game, and anyone who has been watching saw it coming. No second guessing needed. If you don’t see the pattern – going back several years – of Mo blowing tie games, then you’re either not watching or you’re purposely burying your head in the sand.

Veras, who pitched an inning on Monday and didn’t throw on Sunday, was the better choice.

Mo blew the game, and anyone who has been watching saw it coming. No second guessing needed.

]]> By: 86w183 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419302 86w183 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:00:07 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419302 I think the save/no save thing is goofy, too. But here's one thought... maybe the difference is the hitters. They are under much less pressure in tie games than they are when their team is down to its final one, two or three outs. Maybe that drop in pressure helps them? Might be the case. I've been asking for the same things for this team since I started posting here more than a month ago. A RH power hitter, ideally one who can play RF or 1B and a lefty reliever. Not sure what they Yanks have to offer at this stage... Cabrera's value is dropping like a rock, Horne might be hurt, Hughes is, Kennedy was.... if the "A" list of prospects (Robertson, Melancon, A. Jax, Montero, Hughes, Betances, Tabata) is off limits the Yankees won't be making any deals. I think the save/no save thing is goofy, too. But here’s one thought… maybe the difference is the hitters. They are under much less pressure in tie games than they are when their team is down to its final one, two or three outs. Maybe that drop in pressure helps them? Might be the case.

I’ve been asking for the same things for this team since I started posting here more than a month ago. A RH power hitter, ideally one who can play RF or 1B and a lefty reliever. Not sure what they Yanks have to offer at this stage… Cabrera’s value is dropping like a rock, Horne might be hurt, Hughes is, Kennedy was…. if the “A” list of prospects (Robertson, Melancon, A. Jax, Montero, Hughes, Betances, Tabata) is off limits the Yankees won’t be making any deals.

]]> By: Jorge Steinbrenner http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419234 Jorge Steinbrenner Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:07:56 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419234 This is all Melky's fault. "Blame Melky," by the way, is the new "blame A-Rod." This save/non-save thing is pretty funky. You'd think that someone who's been the best closer for over a decade woiuld be beyond this sort of mental trick, which is why I think this is more a statistical anomaly than anything else. This is all Melky’s fault.

“Blame Melky,” by the way, is the new “blame A-Rod.”

This save/non-save thing is pretty funky. You’d think that someone who’s been the best closer for over a decade woiuld be beyond this sort of mental trick, which is why I think this is more a statistical anomaly than anything else.

]]> By: jake http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419193 jake Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:29:54 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419193 Chris NY: > If the standard you measure the yankees by is success in the post-season, it's been a mixed bag. Some of those deals made a big difference--Clemens, Knoblauch, Justice--others, not so much. A-Rod's great and I'm happy the yanks have him. But, as for the other deals, they weren't necessarily bad; they just didn't make much difference in turning a 2nd place team into a champion. I don't hate Cashman, and don't know who, until this past year, had actual control over things in the Yanks' front office, but it's hard to judge him a success as yanks' GM. As of now, the Yanks still look a bit old, a bit slow, still need a guy besides A-Rod who can supply some power from the right side, and haven't had a reliable LH reliever since Mike Stanton. Most important, they've been also-rans for years, now. Chris NY:

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If the standard you measure the yankees by is success in the post-season, it’s been a mixed bag.
Some of those deals made a big difference-Clemens, Knoblauch, Justice-others, not so much.
A-Rod’s great and I’m happy the yanks have him. But, as for the other deals, they weren’t necessarily bad; they just didn’t make much difference in turning a 2nd place team into a champion.
I don’t hate Cashman, and don’t know who, until this past year, had actual control over things in the Yanks’ front office, but it’s hard to judge him a success as yanks’ GM.
As of now, the Yanks still look a bit old, a bit slow, still need a guy besides A-Rod who can supply some power from the right side, and haven’t had a reliable LH reliever since Mike Stanton. Most important, they’ve been also-rans for years, now.

]]> By: Jeremy http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419146 Jeremy Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:48:21 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419146 Chris NY, don't forget about Molina either. Not a game-changing player, but a useful backup who we got for an insignificant pitching prospect. Cashman makes mistakes, but these sweeping criticisms about him are absurd. His trade history isn't flawless (the Weaver and RJ deals come to mind) but he has pulled off some tremendous deals (Clemens, ARod, Abreu, Justice, even Irabu for Westbrook and Lilly), as well as plenty of less noticeable deals for serviceable players (like Molina) and has avoided getting burned. He has never been on the losing end of a trade like Pierzynski for Nathan, Liriano and Bonser, or half a season of Colon for Sizemore and Cliff Lee. He avoided a debacle last season by saying no thanks to Gagne. I have a feeling Cashman will pleasantly surprise a lot of people this season with a trade or two. It's how he works. Chris NY, don’t forget about Molina either. Not a game-changing player, but a useful backup who we got for an insignificant pitching prospect.

Cashman makes mistakes, but these sweeping criticisms about him are absurd. His trade history isn’t flawless (the Weaver and RJ deals come to mind) but he has pulled off some tremendous deals (Clemens, ARod, Abreu, Justice, even Irabu for Westbrook and Lilly), as well as plenty of less noticeable deals for serviceable players (like Molina) and has avoided getting burned. He has never been on the losing end of a trade like Pierzynski for Nathan, Liriano and Bonser, or half a season of Colon for Sizemore and Cliff Lee. He avoided a debacle last season by saying no thanks to Gagne.

I have a feeling Cashman will pleasantly surprise a lot of people this season with a trade or two. It’s how he works.

]]> By: Chris NY http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419095 Chris NY Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:14:01 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419095 “True, but you must learn from experience. If your closer shows time and time again that something is just not right when he comes into a tie game, you look for another route.” "This might be the most idiotic thing I’ve ever read on this blog. And that’s saying a lot." I second that. Wow. “True, but you must learn from experience. If your closer shows time and time again that something is just not right when he comes into a tie game, you look for another route.”

“This might be the most idiotic thing I’ve ever read on this blog. And that’s saying a lot.”

I second that. Wow.

]]> By: Chris NY http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419084 Chris NY Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:05:55 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419084 "that spreadsheet shows 3 things……. 1) Only the Abreu, Justice and Boone trades have had any real positive results….." Sure, you're right, because we certainly haven't gotten any production out of the following trades either: Chuck Knoblauch Roger Clemens Jim Leyritz Luis Sojo Enrique Wilson Robin Ventura Ruben Sierra Alex Rodriguez and cash Shawn Chacon Bobby Abreu and Cory Lidle “that spreadsheet shows 3 things…….

1) Only the Abreu, Justice and Boone trades have had any real positive results…..”

Sure, you’re right, because we certainly haven’t gotten any production out of the following trades either:

Chuck Knoblauch
Roger Clemens
Jim Leyritz
Luis Sojo
Enrique Wilson
Robin Ventura
Ruben Sierra
Alex Rodriguez and cash
Shawn Chacon
Bobby Abreu and Cory Lidle

]]> By: jon http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419081 jon Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:04:59 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419081 “Putting the closer in a tie game in the top of the ninth at home is usually the right move.” Jimbo wrote, on July 2nd, 2008 at 12:12 pm "True, but you must learn from experience. If your closer shows time and time again that something is just not right when he comes into a tie game, you look for another route." This might be the most idiotic thing I've ever read on this blog. And that's saying a lot. “Putting the closer in a tie game in the top of the ninth at home is usually the right move.”

Jimbo wrote, on July 2nd, 2008 at 12:12 pm

“True, but you must learn from experience. If your closer shows time and time again that something is just not right when he comes into a tie game, you look for another route.”

This might be the most idiotic thing I’ve ever read on this blog. And that’s saying a lot.

]]> By: buck turgidson http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419076 buck turgidson Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:59:39 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419076 Does Sheffield count as a Cashman signing? Didn't he negotiate directly with the bossman on that one? "July 2nd, 2008 at 11:03 am sign Bonds or Sosa. We need a bat, pronto." What on God's green earth makes you think Sosa would be the guy to help this offense out? Does Sheffield count as a Cashman signing? Didn’t he negotiate directly with the bossman on that one?

“July 2nd, 2008 at 11:03 am

sign Bonds or Sosa.

We need a bat, pronto.”

What on God’s green earth makes you think Sosa would be the guy to help this offense out?

]]> By: Chris NY http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419074 Chris NY Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:58:42 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/02/tell-mo-they-changed-the-save-rule/#comment-419074 "Keep in mind that we’re talking about a grand total of 4 runs here." EXACTLY. All that needs to be said, really. This whole topic is ridiculous. “Keep in mind that we’re talking about a grand total of 4 runs here.”

EXACTLY. All that needs to be said, really. This whole topic is ridiculous.

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