Game 86: Red Sox at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 03, 2008 
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YANKEES (45-40)
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Betemit 1B
Cabrera CF
Pettitte LHP
RED SOX (50-37)
Ellsbury LF
Pedroia 2B
Drew RF
Ramirez DH
Lowell 3B
Youkilis 1B
Crisp CF
Varitek C
Lugo SS
Lester LHP
Jon Lester (6-3, 3.48) vs. the Yankee hitters.
Andy Pettitte (9-5, 3.98) vs. the Red Sox hitters.
Notes: Boston has lost five straight, four by one run. They have not lost six straight since Aug. 25-30, 2006. … Much to the delight of Jason Giambi, Boston has activated Mike Timlin off the disabled list. TBG is 3 for 3 with two homers off Timlin this season. … Robinson Cano’s last 16 games: 22-58 (.379) with 15 RBI. He has walked only once in that stretch, however. … Wilson Betemit is 7 of his last 21 with four RBI. … The Yankees are only 23-20 at home this season. … The Yankees are 2-3 against Boston, losing three of the last four meetings. … Cabrera is 0 for his last 19.
MANNY BEING MANNY AGAINST THE YANKEES: The team executive-assaulting slugger is 55 of his last 115 (.473) against the Yankees with 14 home runs and 38 RBI. He has 55 HRs against the Yankees, third-most in history.
APPROACHING YANKEE MILESTONES: Jeter needs one home run for 200. … Rivera needs one strikeout for 900. … A-Rod needs one home run to tie Mickey Mantle for 13th place in history with 536. … A-Rod is one run away from having as many as Reggie Jackson (1,551). That would be good for 49th place all-time. That A-Rod is pretty good. … Posada needs one home run to tie Don Mattingly (222) for eighth place in team history.
Back later with many updates.
UPDATE, 4:23 p.m.: Joe Girardi said that Hideki Matsui has not responded well to physical therapy on his knee and will not be able to take BP this weekend. It appears he will be out until after the break at the earliest. It’s apparent that he will need surgery, if not now then after the season. “It’s a possibility,” said Girardi, which is his way of saying “Absolutely.”
Meanwhile Girardi wouldn’t say who would pitch agains the Rays next week other than to say “we’ll move some things around.”
Girardi also pledged his loyalty to Melky, claiming that he is simply the victim of blind luck. That’s an awful lot of bad luck given his numbers since May 1.
Ian Kennedy is en route to Scranton. Chris Britton continues to dominate the GCL. He threw two perfect innings today against the GCL Tigers.
UPDATE, 7:35 p.m.: A 23-minute first inning. Just about what you would expect from these teams. That’s actually fast for them, Bad job for the Yankees, wasting the two walks to start the inning.
UPDATE, 7:49 p.m.: Poor start for the Yankees, now down 4-0. This next two weeks will be a real test of Joe Girardi’s leadership. Hideki Matsui is out and won’t be back any time soon. The clownish antics of A-Rod have popped up as a distraction. Meanwhile the team is struggling and falling precipitously behind in the division. This is when the manager has to earn his money and keep the team focused and together.
UPDATE, 8:07 p.m.: Hey, look at that, Melky got a hit. The 0-for-19 slump is history.
Meanwhile Jeter raps into his 12th GIDP.
UPDATE, 8:35 p.m.: In bad news from other cities, Trenton manager Tony Franklin now says that Jose Tabata has a “fairly severe” hamstring injury.
“He’s not going to be rushed back. It takes a little time to come back from those injuries, it’s a very sensitive and delicate area,” Franklin told Mike Ashmore.
Meanwhile some people at the Stadium booed Pettitte off the mound. It’s getting ugly.
UPDATE, 9:39 p.m.: Good night for Melky, maybe this will get him going. But Lester is dominating. Barring some miracle, this will be the 38th time in 86 games the Yankees will be held to three or less runs. That’s amazing given their lineup.
4 game sweep would be awfully nice…
we score 18 runs and this clown changes the lineup. UNBELIEVABLE.
we score 18 runs and this clown changes the lineup. UNBELIEVABLE!
Paddy – If you can talk Lester into pitching with his right arm rather than his left, I’m sure Joe would put last night’s line-up back in.
wait, no gardner?
a four game sweep would be awesome, but we’ve got Beckett and Rasner on Saturday…
Have to win today. No question Set the tone for the series tonight.
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, but taking 3 from the Sox would be great. The Sox are gonna be pretty ticked off they just got swept by the Rays and lost first place. Meanwhile, the Rays will most likely be slapping KC around over the weekend so the Sox are gonna try like hell to make the Yanks suffer like they did earlier this week.
Basically, we made the bed we lay in right now. We could have picked up two additional games on the Sox and kept within 5 1/2 of the Rays had we only dispersed some of the runs from yesterday over the 2 previous days. I’ve posted this before and I’ll say it again…this next week and a half will determine what position we’ll be in for the trade deadline.
We can all pray for these three things: we IBB Manny as many times as neccessary, Timlin pitches a lot, and the most obvious, we score some damn runs.
2009 lineup
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Cano 3B
Arod 3B
Betemit/Duncan 1B
Posada C
Matsui DH
Gardner CF
Melky RF
“we score 18 runs and this clown changes the lineup. UNBELIEVABLE!”
The only thing he changed was his CF. It’s not like he took A-Rod out of the lineup and replaced him with Chad Moeller.
Has there ever been a Yankee lineup in history that someone hasn’t complained about?
tkindc,
fair enough. but 1) gardner hit lefties better than righties in the minors this year and 2) melky doesn’t much care whether the pitcher is righty or lefty, he has no interest in getting any hits. have you seen his splits from the right side? i’ll take gardner straight up, but after an 18 run peformance i’ll stick with the same lineup just for the heck of it! goodness!
Where’s Gardner, huh? I am starting to get sick of Girardi. He is obsessed with Betemit and still thinks Melky should be the everyday CF. Did Gardner not impress you yesterday in Center? Right when he gets his first hit you bench him, of course. And Giambi is awful as the DH, apparently you don’t know that Joe, what do you know.
I forgot to mention Gardner is great against lefties. Damn GIRARDI GOD DAMNIT MAN
“2009 lineup
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Cano 3B
Arod 3B
Betemit/Duncan 1B
Posada C
Matsui DH
Gardner CF
Melky RF”
If you think we have trouble scoring runs this year, just wait until that lineup gets out there.
I hope Melky goes 0-5 and we score 12 runs and he grounds into 2 double plays. I really hope so.
Obsessed with Betemit? Not only is Betemit finally hitting…who would you rather have DH (if Giambi is at 1b)?
I loathe Joe G.
Magnificent with the bullpen but manages the everyday lineup changes like a damn fool.
You scored 18 last night, why mess with things even if it’s a slight change.
Melky can’t hit, he stinks, get him outta hereeeeeee!
“He is obsessed with Betemit and still thinks Melky should be the everyday CF.”
Okay, complain away about Melky.
But did you even read this? “Wilson Betemit is 7 of his last 21 with four RBI”
And it will be even worse if Damon, Posada and Matsui do not stay healthy.
I’m all for giving Gardner a shot, but have I missed something in the past few games? Has Gardner done anything so far that Melky has not or can not?
“I hope Melky goes 0-5 and we score 12 runs and he grounds into 2 double plays. I really hope so.”
Spoken like a true Yankee fan right there.
I really wish you would get banned already then I wouldn’t have to scroll past your idiot posts.
“I loathe Joe G.
Magnificent with the bullpen but manages the everyday lineup changes like a damn fool.
You scored 18 last night, why mess with things even if it’s a slight change.”
It’s been posted before but the greatest yankee team of the past 20 years used 140 different lineup the year they won 114 games.
140 different lineups.
“I forgot to mention Gardner is great against lefties.”
AAA lefties
This should give an answer to all of you who thought Gardner was up to replace Melky.
He came up for Matsui and looks like he will go back down when Matsui is activated.
I hope Melky can turn it on but doesn’t seem likely given how lost he looks out there. Melky goes 0-3 and I replace with with Brett for the late innings.
Told you all Gardner wasnt playing today, you just didnt want to listen
“He came up for Matsui and looks like he will go back down when Matsui is activated.”
I heard a report earlier today – maybe it was on here – that Godzilla is not cleared for BP and will be out beyond just the 15 days.
People are so fixated on Gardner beyond all reason – I hope he does well, but not to the extent that I want to see Melky stink it up. It is just moronic.
I hope Melky goes 0-5 because maybe because I want a good CFer out there? I am shocked Gardner is not playing.
I like having Brett as an option off the bench. Close game and he can swipe some bags on Tek.
Raymagnetic, Do you really see this Yankee team winning 114 using 148 different lineups?
I am not a fan over Girardi’s lineup changes because they just don’t seem to do much for THIS team. I am also surprised that Melky is back. I hoped they would sit him for a longer period.
Watch, though, Melky will go 5-5 tonight.
if melky goes 0 for his first 2 at bats i guarantee joe g will put gardner in.
“…maybe I want a good CFer out there?”
So after three games and 1 hit Gardner is a “good outfielder” and Melky is not? That makes sense.
there are a million people who could put up melky’s poor line this year, including probably brett gardner. assuming melky has a better arm, and gardner has more range, they are a wash defensively. so if they wash defensively, gardner can get on base a measley 3/10 times or more, the difference here is gardner can RUN. this is what is so scary about gardner looking like a temp replacement for matsui, and not a full time replacement for melky. and, if gardner CAN’T do it, you put melky back in there. i don’t understand why this is complicated.
5-5 haha.
I would bet anything on that one. That’s a lot of luck.
Number18,
If you think that Girardi will replace Melky with Gardner if Melky goes 0-2 tonight, you don’t know anything about baseball. But if you’d like to make a wager on your guarantee I’ll take it.
My guess is that Girardi sees himself in Melky: Years ago when Jorge Posada came up, it was obvious to everyone that he was going to take Girardi’s job. Now he sees it happening to Melky and it’s bringing back painful memories.
MisD, I really don’t think Melky will get that many hits, but it seems like when we are ready to write some player off, they turn it on big.
Let’s be reasonable, folks. Girardi is not going to start Gardner against a lefty yet.
That means there isn’t a real good option in CF against lefties. Expect Melky to get all those starts unless Gardner really kicks it up.
In fact, against a righty, I think we’ll see Gardner in LF more oftern than in CF.
When and IF Matsui comes back, we’ll see.
I think you have to give Gardner a chance to win the CF job. Sitting him after he was part of a 18 run game makes NO SENSE.
Honestly, if Melky gets 1 hit tonight (He sucks batting righty) I will be surprised
down a run in the late innings runners on first pinch run gardner will go crazy in the basepath thats good
global warming,
100%. melky has done nothing to warrant someone else not getting a shot, and gardner has done nothing no warrant not getting a shot. 3 games is not as shot. especially as part of an 18 run outburst.
Wave Your Hat,
Melky is hitting under 200 against lefties.
“but it seems like when we are ready to write some player off, they turn it on big.”
Well than the time to turn it is now! The last time Melky got a hit, what was the price of gas?
“Raymagnetic, Do you really see this Yankee team winning 114 using 148 different lineups?”
Nope. But I think the constant complaining about the different lineups is much ado about nothing.
“I’m all for giving Gardner a shot, but have I missed something in the past few games? Has Gardner done anything so far that Melky has not or can not?”
gotten on base w/o getting a hit? worked counts? seems to me he has a plan when he gets up the plate, looks comfortable.
i’m not going to sit here and say Gardner needs to play everyday, but i think he should play 2 out of every 3 games while he’s up. i think thats fair; gives him regular ABs, while still working Melky in to see if he can get out of his funk.
“I think you have to give Gardner a chance to win the CF job. Sitting him after he was part of a 18 run game makes NO SENSE.”
Let’s remember that Bartolo Colon’s lovechild was pitching and Washington threw him to the Wolves.
Just because he was IN the lineup last night has nothing to do with tonight. He got a single last night. He didn’t get 3 hits, nor did he hit a home run or a huge double. He got a single when the game was already put away. Melky could have easily done exactly what Gardner did last night. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he does. I bet Melky goes 1-4 with a single. Gardner’s not up here to “win the CF job”. Isn’t that obvious already?
Global-
I did say there was no good option. But the Yanks are a conservative organization, at heart, and they are not going to push Gardner by having him start against lefties.
They as good as admitted that when they brought Christian up last week against the lefties instead of Gardner.
Last time Melky got a hit gas was I believe 2.90 in NY (Not 3.90, 2.90)
“I think you have to give Gardner a chance to win the CF job. Sitting him after he was part of a 18 run game makes NO SENSE.”
He had one hit and a walk in the 18 run game – it isn’t like he was the Giambino last night.
Now, if he started growing a mustache – we’d have something to talk about.
Girardi said yesterday Melky would be in center tonight. This is not news.
Gardner was not brought up here to take Melky’s job. He will be in the rotation, which is what Girardi has said the plan would be all along.
I don’t understand how people can root against their own players. The disloyalty to Melky makes me sick!
I don’t mind sitting Brett. I think he can learn a lot by taking a step back, watching the game, and being ready to pinch run. Just wish someone that wasn’t in such a bad slump was in CF.
TurnTwo,
Has he not played every game until tonight? That’s 3 out of four. He probably will play most games while he’s up.
Yes he has looked comfortable. I think he deserves a shot for playing time. But, if you read the comments here, it would seem he’s gone 7 for 9 so far.
Girardi is turning into a pathetic manager! Melky can’t hit against lefties whatsoever!
Girardi wake up please or resign!
OMG!!!!!!!!! NO Brett Gardner! Fire Joe Girardi. Did you see how he hits AAA lefties! Wasn’t Jon Lester in AAA last year. Logically, he would hit for the cycle against Lester. Maybe Girardi wants him on the bench so he can work with the players in the dugout on there scrappiness. Thats the only possibility!
Do people really expect Gardner to hit .400 and hit HRs? The point of him is IF he hits a ground ball, he can beat out double plays and then get on second. The kid will likely steal everytime he has 2nd base open. If Melkys job ISNT on the line, then I lost even more respect for Girardi
Do people really expect Gardner to hit .400 and hit HRs? The point of him is IF he hits a ground ball, he can beat out double plays and then get on second. The kid will likely steal everytime he has 2nd base open. If Melkys job ISNT on the line, then I lost even more respect for Girardi
“Or am I just angry as an old man trying to send back soup in a deli?”
now THAT is funny!
Let’s see if we can get all those milestones/club records set tonite!
D. Robertson,
Nobody expects Gardner to hit more than .300 and nobody expects him to hit HRs. But everybody is complaining that he isn’t playing tonight after starting 3 games. It isn’t like A-Rod is sitting.
I mean come on now he beats out double plays! Thats almost better than getting a hit.
Bronxbombers, I am not a regular but I felt the user name was inappropriate and distasteful.
Melky sucks would have been sufficient (and untrue)
Chris V.
Don’t joke like that…the people here will think you are serious.
Seriously …
My junk can still feel the Chris Snyder injury, and I only read about it. The berries that actually got rung weren’t even mine.
I may not be able to sleep tonight.
We better not lose tonight. They are on minimum rest,and a depleted team
“Am I the only ione that thinks that is totally, utterly disrespectful?”
not at all.
Anybody wonder what John Sterlings call for Gadner will be?
To give Melky v B-Gard a break – I thought this was interesting from Hal Steinbrenner’s interview:
As per rules in the Basic Agreement, the Yankees, like any other team opening a new stadium, are allowed a credit against revenue sharing each season to pay down debt on construction costs. The Yankees, who pay rent at the current stadium and have no operational costs, are currently the highest payee into the revenue-sharing system, having contributed approximately $100 million alone last season, Steinbrenner said.
“Boston and us are over half of the entire pool and if you throw the Mets into this, it’s over two-thirds of the entire pool,” Steinbrenner said. “You’ve got three to five teams paying the vast majority of it. There are 11 payers and 19 payees. ”
No more charity to the leeches of the MLB for a while!
I think it was obvious Gardner wasnt playing tonight. Melky was obviously pissed on the bench, and probably complained about it to Joe. not to mention this is a pivital series and Brett has never been in this type of series
True it isn’t as if ARod is sitting, but it just shows the discontent folks have for Melky.
Speaking of ARod, I came up with a brilliant strategy for his wife- instead of cheating on him with Lenny, she should hook up with Sandra Bernhard.
Girardi said that if Gardner didn’t hit, he wouldn’t play and would go back down to AAA.
Girardi is not going to put Gardner in a position to fail by having him start against lefties yet. It wouldn’t be fair to Gardner. That’s the way I see it and I bet that’s the way Girardi sees it too, at least partly.
So all you Gardner fans, just relax. It’s not his time yet. He’s here because Matsui is hurt and he’s just getting a chance to show some of what he can do.
Holy crap ANSKY!
I didn’t even hear about that until you just mentioned it. Now I wish you hadn’t!
The problem, or should I say my problem with this whole situation is that Melky is getting treated like a 10 year vet here.
In sports when you don’t perform for an extended period of time– it’s time to get challenged for your job. MELKY Cabrera has NOT performed for a year now.
This is not A-Rod, this is not Jeter, this is Melky f’n Cabrera!
What’s the deal?
The rich teams are basically paying Longoria and Kazmirs contract from the sharing
Anyone know what was up btwn A-Rod and Melky?
Lenny Kravitz said references to him as an adulterer were “extremely hurtful,” adding that Cynthia came to stay at his home “to escape from everything happening in New York City.”
Awwww..how sweet! Lenny is sensitive too!!
““Giambi will be gone next season and they will get a draft pick as compensation.â€
another surprising thing is nobody thought we would be getting any draft picks from losing him. at least a couple months ago nobody here thought so…”
To get a draft pick, you need to offer arbitration.
Not sure Yanks would do that as they may be stuck with a very high salary if he accepts. He would get at least 80% of this year salary in such a case.
They would try to work out a deal at a lower salary, if not they will let him walk.
I remember a few years ago the Yankees called up a really young center fielder for a Sox series. He had a really bad game or two – looked overwhelmed – and everybody said he’d never make it in to the bigs again. What the heck was his name?
When has Melky EVER perfomed well for more than 2 weeks?
EricVA
If I may quote former president Clinton: “Ah feel yowah pain … “
Sterling’s HR call for Gardner:
“Wow, I didn’t know you could hit a home run from the bench.”
(Sorry, I couldn’t help myself. I love torturing Gardner lovers)
I remember a few years ago the Yankees called up a really young center fielder for a Sox series. He had a really bad game or two – looked overwhelmed – and everybody said he’d never make it in to the bigs again. What the heck was his name?
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Bernie Williams
Joke
It was really Cecil Fielder
http://www.hotfootblog.com/200.....ing-ollie/
Tony Pena could be on Mets radar this offseason.
less Melky more Gardner
“When has Melky EVER perfomed well for more than 2 weeks?”
April. Last june, july and august?
How many double plays or hard gronders to second for Jeter tonight?
D. Robertson…
I was going for Ricky Ledee…
Or Jeff Maier?
“When has Melky EVER perfomed well for more than 2 weeks?”
You mean to your high standard of 1 hit and 1 walk in 3 games? You convinced me.
“Has he not played every game until tonight? That’s 3 out of four. He probably will play most games while he’s up.”
thats exactly what i was saying. you cant expect them to just sit melky on the bench for the rest of the season.
as long as they work the rotation where gardner gets regular ABs, seems like it works out.
Oh Chris Britton is pitching well. That’s good. His seat in the bullpen was getting cold.
Jeff Maier played RF. Funny that Abreu is scared of the wall, but Maier wasnt
Oh Chris Britton is pitching well. That’s good. His seat in the bullpen was getting cold.
This is Garner’s first experience with Yaks/Sawx… not starting him might bein his best interests. Chances are neither he nor Cabrera will do much damage to Lester with the bat, so strategically Gardner’s speed on the bench gives you late inning options that Melky doesn’t.
Predicted comment from the blowhard—
“It is low….. it is short… It… Is.. Caught by Pedrioa”
Sorry for the double post!
Maier’s catch was one of the greatest in postseason history!
No I mean as well as Gardner when he gets used to hitting ML pitchers and turns singles into being in scoring position every time. Melky sure cant do that. Well unless he plays against the Padres everyday
I have nothing against Melky but it’s time to put up or shut up _ .299, .234, .206, .000. See a trend?
1. Jeff Maiers clutch catch at the RF wall
2. Jeter flip to Posada vs the A’s
Classic Playoff moments in the field
I am ok with Gardner off against Lester. Although I fear we’ll see him in the next 84 games no matter what he’s doing. Oh yeah, and note to Joe: Gardner can bunt, so please remember: buting is for the 9th inning with the 9th place hitter (or a pinch hiter in case Melky is 0-27 by that time), swinging away is for the first innning with the 2nd hitter! Forget and it’s NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!!
“This is Garner’s first experience with Yaks/Sawx… not starting him might bein his best interests. Chances are neither he nor Cabrera will do much damage to Lester with the bat, so strategically Gardner’s speed on the bench gives you late inning options that Melky doesn’t.”
Good point!
I gotta admit, I am loving Cano coming out of the hole very quietly. Better that it isnt spoken of by Kay when he would get 3 hits and then the next game would get 0
“blind luck”
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its disgusting the Sox-Yanks talk isnt even about what is advertised SOX_YANKS talk. Its about the frigging Rays.
Haha Ellsbury is soooo bad . But if Pettitte is smart, he stays away from the midget batting 2nd. Oh and throw towards Youselis, I love watching him cry to the umps
Does Mussina or Pettitte have any shot at starting for the Yankees at the ASG or has Lee or Saunders clinched it?
David Robertson for Setup –
To actually answer your question – Melky has hit over .300 in 6 of the 14 months that he has been in the big leagues. So you notion that he has never done well on a consistent basis is not really supported by the facts.
I also think you are over valuing BG’s speed – it is fun to watch but SB’s really don’t seem to be that important a factor on the total offense’s production.
i doubt moose or pettitte has a change to start the ASG, but could make the team.
have a good weekend folks. i get to listen to the game today in the car on the radio.
Go Yankees!
*chance*
WOW I mean Gardner can actually hit LHP, Melky better hit w/ RISP and get on base otherwise alot of people are going to be calling for his demotion tonight. I’m sorry but Melky has been nearly invisible in this offense I would have sat him and sent him a message doing that, so Brett will PR for Betemit or Posada later in this game.
Girardi said Melky is the victim of blind luck?
Uh, Ok. It’s the old “he’s hitting the ball hard, they’re just not finding the holes” theory.
Here’s why Gardner is not starting:
3 Games – 10 ABs – .100 BA – .182 OBP – .100 SLG PCT
Melky: 268 Games – .268 BA – .333 OBP – .378 SLG PCT…..Better CFer.
Not great offensive stats for a CFer but better option than Gardner right now.
Most of the Blog critics had Melky AND Cano traded about 5 times last year and 20 times this year when they hit their respective slumps – where’s the patience???
JMO, but it may be that Giradi looks at the Melky/Gardner choice not on the basis of individual player stats but on the basis of who can best deliver performance in probable situations. Melky has demonstrated very poor discipline at the plate lately. Watching him swing at pitches he has to look up to hurts.
Gardner is at least more likely to take bad pitches and possibly get a BB in front of JD, the Yankee with the highest avg WRISP. Since Gardner is also far more likely to steal a base than is Melky (and also score on a Damon single), Gardner is a better option in the 9th spot than Melky at this point in time.
Not ragging on Melky, who I would love to see turn it around, but trying to see what benefits the team as it is playing today.
I really wish that Girardi would of left Gardner in the lineup against the lefty. It is another case of Girardi scared of the lefty-lefty matchup. AAA Melky is hitting a big .195 against lefties!!??!! Does he really expect him to make contact tonight. The lineup should always be Gardner LF, Damon DH, once or so a week sit Melky and play Gardner in CF. I am sick of watching Melky attempt to hit and just pop up the ball. Cashman always said that Melky has to earned his spot..well he hasn’t for the last 2 years get him out of there and put him on the bench where he belongs.
I WANT Melky to have the best July ever. Get more for him at the trade deadline
I’ll give you Melky may be a victim of bad luck. What’s Girardi’s excuse for fallling asleep at the switch with bullpen last night, or any other myriad of bone-head managerial moves? (Maybe he needs an ice cream.)
“Here’s why Gardner is not starting:
3 Games – 10 ABs – .100 BA – .182 OBP – .100 SLG PCT
Melky: 268 Games – .268 BA – .333 OBP – .378 SLG PCT…..Better CFer.
Not great offensive stats for a CFer but better option than Gardner right now.”
I assume that’s a joke, right? You just compared 10 at-bats, TEN! by Gardner to career stats for Cabrera.
So she is with him!! Why would she leave her kids at home?
The fact that Gardner hit AAA lefties fairly well does not mean he is going to hit Lester tonight at the Stadium. Let’s get real.
Gardner hasn’t hit all that well in the three games he’s been up.
Dissatisfaction with Melky doesn’t make Gardner better against lefties. Melky is our center fielder for now. You will all be happier and find better karma if you just accept it.
Lathem Joe…This is why Melky SHOULDNT be starting
0-19
Thats a bad slump.
Damn Latham, that 3 game sample size is really working wonders.
The 3 game sample size works both ways, doesn’t it?
Never has a guy who has 1 hit and 1 walk in 3 games been given so much run.
Gardner wasn’t called up to take Melky’s job.
Girardi has said time and time again Gardner would be in the 4 OF rotation as long as he is here.
It makes sense to not start him against Lester.
The Matsui stuff doesn’t sound good. Sounds like he is going to be out a long time.
I’d love to see the Yankees beat the Rays to Xavier Nady. A RH bat like Nady’s could help this team in Matsui’s absence.
Gardner has more hits and RBI than Melky has in the last 6 games. Not to mention in 3 games, he has 2 steals. That equals to a projection of 108 SBs over 162 games. If only that were a reality
/off topic/
I hope Randy is reading the mlbtraderumors chat:
What should be done by Minnesota regarding pitcher Livan Hernandez? Who would be some takers for the veteran pitcher, and what could the Twins expect in return?
3:01 Salary relief at best. He should be DFA’d.
Xavier Nady? But..but..SJ..
Brett Gardner! What about him?! How can you forget about Brett? HOW COULD YOU!!!!!!
BRETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nady would really help. What do you think it would take to get him?
I think alot of Melky homers are really worried about Gardner when he gets used to the big leagues
It would take alot for the Yankees to get Nady. Any other team it would be alot easier. If you want an example of what the Yankees need to trade for now on
Carlos Gomez Deolis Guerra Philip Humer for Santana
Chien Ming Wang Ian Kennedy Melky Cabrera for Santana
How o you get out of a slump if you don’t play?
That’s true Eric, my bad! lol
Seriously though, I am a Gardner fan. You have to spot him in situations that are best for him.
Tonight against Jon Lester isn’t one of those nights, IMO.
They aren’t going to bury Melky. Really wouldn’t make much sense burying a guy while at his lowest.
Even if he isn’t in their long term plans, it makes more sense to build him back up than tear him down.
He also has played pretty well against the Red Sox in his career.
I don’t think the teams fortunes are going to rise and fall by the performance of the #9 hitter. Not tonight or not for the rest of the year.
“Nady would really help. What do you think it would take to get him?”
where is he gonna play? there isnt any room for him in the lineup.
and besides, the pirates will ask for more than what Cashman wants to pay, anyway. they wanted Tabata for Marte, so you could imagine what theyd ask for their leading RBI man.
There you go Rebecca, asking those good questions again! lol
How dare you derail the Brett Gardner Express!
They have to get Melky going. Who knows, maybe the Red Sox will bring out the good Melky in him.
Cano getting out of his slump is one thing. He’s a much better hitter than Melky and he can he can make his own luck.
“How o you get out of a slump if you don’t play?”
When a team needs wins the best thing for a slump is to sit the person until there are easier games
Lets all think of the bright side. Gardner could be this years Brian Roberts off the bench(with the sox). Great weapon in late innings of a tight game.
Sorry meant Dave Roberts.
Cano-Career .316 (or something like that) hitter
Melky-.260 hitter
Melky is at .240 right now, he is closing in on being comfortable for the rest of the season
If Matsui misses the rest of the season, which is the rumor, it opens up a spot for Nady.
I don’t know what it would take to get him but it would cost less than it would cost to get Sabathia.
He’s #1 on the Rays Hit List. Would be interested to see how deep Tampa would go into their system to get him.
You know, if Matsui is injured for a long time, there is a part-time outfielder/power bat that would come for league minimum…
(And I don’t mean Shelly Duncan!)
Sorry to break it to you SJ, but Sabathia > Nady…
“When a team needs wins the best thing for a slump is to sit the person until there are easier games”
If you have a better option. It’s not clear that the Yankees do. They have _another_ option.
Let’s be clear…Melky has been streaky, but HAS had multiple-month-long streaks of quality hitting at the major league level. Brett Gardner has no such track record.
“What’s Girardi’s excuse for fallling asleep at the switch with bullpen last night, or any other myriad of bone-head managerial moves?”
I don’t think that Girardi fell asleep at all. He was desperately trying to get Ponson through all or a good part of the 6th because the bullpen has been overextended since the Pittsburgh Series. Besides his HOF Closer,Girardi has 3 relatively inexperienced late inning guys (Ramirez,Veras,Robertson) 1 inconsistent late inning guy (Farnsy) who loses velocity in back to back appearances, 1 Long guy (Geise) and…..Hawkins!
And no lefty in the BP so Teams (like Texas) can stack 2-3-4 lefty hitters in a row.
No starter has gone past 6 innings in the last week.
So its obvious Sabathia will demand more players, but would be alot more worth it for a team without a 4 OR 5 pitcher.
““It’s a possibility,†said Girardi, which is his way of saying “Absolutely.—
By nature Girardi is positive thinking guy.
He is hoping for the best.
Nobody knows if he absolutely needs surgery. It is purley speculation on your part.
In the case of Bruney same thing happened. Girardi was beaten up for not saying surgery was needed. What happened? Bruney did not have the season ending surgery and he is expected back by August.
“I don’t know what it would take to get him but it would cost less than it would cost to get Sabathia.”
except starting pitching is what this team needs, not offense.
if this team cant score with the lineup they currently have 1-7, they arent going to win anyway.
Xavier Nady is not going to win the division or the Wild Card for the Yankees.
SJ: I’ve been watching too many SVU reruns. I’m learning to ask the good questions
Seriously, though, as fun as Gardner is to watch, do you really want to start Gardner against the Sox when a) he’s got one hit in ten at bats, and b) Melky NEEDS to break out of his slump?
At any rate, you’ve still got Gardner on the bench.
“where is he gonna play? there isnt any room for him in the lineup.
and besides, the pirates will ask for more than what Cashman wants to pay, anyway. they wanted Tabata for Marte, so you could imagine what theyd ask for their leading RBI man.”
Uhh, RF? LF? DDH? That’s on the assumption Matsui could be out for a long time.
As to the rest, SJ was advocating it. I liked the idea, and was interested in what he thought the Yanks would have to pay.
The problem is, you assume Brett Gardner is ready for these games and will just be better than Melky in them because you think that will be the case.
Fans like uncertainty. Managers are more drawn to certainty.
Melky has always played well against the Red Sox. Folks are so down on him right now, they conveinently forget that fact.
Lester vs. Gardner is not a good matchup. Please don’t quote Gardner’s AAA stats vs. lefties to me. They are irrelvelent.
He has never faced a lefty as good as Lester.
You put the kid in situations where he can perform best.
Throwing him out there tonight against the Red Sox isn’t one of those situations.
Let’s be honest, he faced the worst pitching staff in baseball for 3 days and got one hit.
I’d like to see the kid do well but, let’s not get overboard with what we saw for 3 days.
We saw a fast kid against an awful pitching staff. A far cry from the Red Sox.
All issues aside…if Matsui were out for the rest of the year, I could imagine:
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
ARod 3B
Bonds DH
Giambi 1B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Gardner is not Dave Roberts. He’s not coming off the bench. They’re going to play this kid everyday, otherwise he’s going to be sent back down so that he can play everyday. Only if we make the playoffs could this kid make the roster for such a role. Even then, he might be in the starting lineup.
I thought they would st Melky tonight against a lefty…
Gardner will definitely play this weekend…
“If you have a better option. It’s not clear that the Yankees do. They have _another_ option.
Let’s be clear…Melky has been streaky, but HAS had multiple-month-long streaks of quality hitting at the major league level. Brett Gardner has no such track record.”
GARDNER HAS BEEN UP 3 DAYS!!! He hasnt been up a month. Yeah he is 1/12, but has gotten on base 4 or 5 times. And Melky is 0 for his last 19
“Uhh, RF? LF? DDH? That’s on the assumption Matsui could be out for a long time.”
Abreu currently plays RF, Damon currently plays LF. Giambi and Posada share the DH while Matsui is out.
so who are you sitting in that group to play Xavier Nady?
If Gardner’s not going to start in these games against Boston, he may as well be sent down. He needs to play everyday.
If PITT asks for one of the Rays best MiL arms (excluding Price) if you are the Rays do you give this up for Nady?
EricVa, its time to come with grips that Cashman is not signing Barry Bonds. i know, itd be a sexy, and logical, move, but its not gonna happen.
TurnTwo,
I think the assumption is that Damon slides to center and Nady plays left.
Oh I know they aren’t signing Bonds…
Just saying it’d be an interesting lineup.
yankee21, I wouldn’t give up one of my best MiL arms for Nady. Bay would be a different story.
the Yankees are not signing Bonds. No way. If they did sign him now, the soonest he’d be able to play is mid-late August.
Any upside to a possible Bonds signing is drowned out by how long it’d take him to get ready…not to mention his personal baggage.
Nobody is debating who is the better player. As usual, you miss the point.
The Yankees aren’t trading A List prospects to rent CC Sabathia.
They don’t have to give up A List prospects to get Xavier Nady.
Get it now?
Yes, Sabathia is the better player. He is, at least from the Yankees side of things, less accessible to obtain without giving up significant parts.
“I think the assumption is that Damon slides to center and Nady plays left.”
and thats not happening, either. Damon isnt a full time CFer.
more from mlbtr chat:
“3:53 [Comment From Relief Pitcher's Union]
Which of us will be the biggest name to be traded, and where will he be going?
3:54 Fuentes, Yankees.
BBFan,
I’m not going by what Girardi is saying when it comes to Matsui.
“Just saying it’d be an interesting lineup.”
absolutely. i wish it were something they wouldve thought about a month and a half ago.
Girardi knows what he is doing with Melky. Sure he is struggling for a long time. Girardi’s trust in him will work and soon he will get out of his funk, just like Cano, Giambi and Damon.
If the whining arm chair pundits here had the power, by now Yanks would have DFAd Damon, Giambi and Cano and many more.
Regardin Gardner, Girardi is doing his best to put him in situation to succeed in the early going of his career. If the game is close in the late innings, expect him to be a pinch runner and be the difference maker.
Whew.Kennedy and he’s almost 9 Era is ready to save this team.Now we will have 6 staters who can’t get past the 5 inning withour giving up 4 walks and 100 pitches.
Lets just do some simple math here
These are assumptions
Wang- 7 more years
Chamberlain-15 more years
Hughes-15 more years
that leaves 2 spots
Kennedy
Horne
Karstens
Marquez
McCutchen
Betances
Heredia
Del La Rosa
Acevas
Garcia
McCallister
Pope
Last time I checked that is more than 2. And im positive im missing some. Send Half of them for Sabathia (overexaggeration) and we still have a good selection for 1 spot in the next 7-10 years. It would likely take 2 or 3 of them + Melky
Hopefully Ian Kennedy’s route to Scranton gets detoured to Cleveland.
“Yeah he is 1/12, but has gotten on base 4 or 5 times.”
Or…he’s been on twice.
I know Gardner has only been up three days. But, my point is that you’re just looking at something different and assuming it’ll be better.
That is just ridiculous.
They need another bat in this lineup. The offense is too inconsistent and the most telling part of what Hank said yesterday was Cashman’s feeling about the team.
He (Cashman) told Hank he has been worried about the offense all year. Cashman will be looking for a bat at the deadline, as well as another pitcher, IMO.
May not be Nady but, it will be somebody. Especially if Matsui is gone for most if not the rest of the season.
Oh man D. Rob. Those are some awesome assumptions. Now lets assume that about 1 in 10 pitching prospects pan out to be effective #3′s. So, I’d say we need to keep a bunch.
Walks, plus the hit, plus breaking up 2 double plays = 5 or 6 times. Thanks for trying though Whozwhat
Actually 1+1+2=4 not 5 or 6 last time i checked.
“Oh man D. Rob. Those are some awesome assumptions. Now lets assume that about 1 in 10 pitching prospects pan out to be effective #3’s. So, I’d say we need to keep a bunch.”
Sabathia
Chamberlain
Wang
Hughes
All we would need is a #5. And your forgetting about Free Agency. You act like were clearing out the farm if we trade for Sabathia. Were still a top 10 farm system if we make that trade
“These are assumptions
Wang- 7 more years
Chamberlain-15 more years
Hughes-15 more years”
What color is the sky in the world you live in?
“Actually 1+1+2=4 not 5 or 6 last time i checked.”
Didnt he walk twice? I might be wrong. but 4 times is 4 more times than Melky. If Melky grounded a ball to the SS, its a taylor made DP, with Gardner, your still etting someone on base
“They need another bat in this lineup. The offense is too inconsistent and the most telling part of what Hank said yesterday was Cashman’s feeling about the team.”
where they inserting another bat into this lineup?
you are locked into positions with most of these guys.
unless someone else gets hurt, or someone is included in a trade, you can only upgrade offensively in CF or 1B, assuming Posada is catching everyday and Giambi just DHs.
catching Posada is not in the best interest of this team.
you want to tell me they are going to trade for an offensive upgrade in CF? fine.
otherwise, you cant fit another bat in there, unless you get really, really creative, and you compromise other parts of the team to do so.
What color is the sky in the world you live in?
So you cant see Chamberlain here until hes 38?
or Hughes here until 37?
or Wang until 35?
Oh! Now I see. I didn’t realize that we signed Sabathia for next year.
Who was that last free agent starter that was supposed to bolster our rotation? I forget his name… Haven’t seen him in a while.
Isn’t the problem this year that we don’t have enough pitching depth? And you want to go with only five pitchers?
“Walks, plus the hit, plus breaking up 2 double plays”
I’m not going to give a guy credit for hitting into a fielder’s choice.
catching Posada is not in the best interest of this team.
**i should add everyday.
I didnt know teams opened the season with 6 starting pitchers?
“So you cant see Chamberlain here until hes 38?
or Hughes here until 37?
or Wang until 35?”
no, no, and no.
“I’m not going by what Girardi is saying when it comes to Matsui.”
SJ,
You may be right, but there is no reason to second guess every thing Girardi says. In fact, there is only one beat writer who continues to do that day in day out
If there is any thing, Girardi was right on number of occasions and the second guessing media guys were wrong.
I already gave the Bruney example.
The other one was when Joba has a strained groin (? do not remeber exactly if it was groin?), Girardi said day to day. Ours truly insinuated Girardi that he was not telling the truth. What happens – Joba pitches in two days.
Unfortunately, this kind of nonsense is happening again and again. What a shame.
Oooh…
How many no hitters does 38 year old Joba have?
How many Cy Youngs does 37 year old Hughes have?
I like this game!
“where they inserting another bat into this lineup?”
If Matsui is out as DH, that leaves more time in corner of positions and 1B as Damon, Abreu and Giambi DH more. Or at DH itself.
Lets just say a miracle happens and
Horne
Cox
Acevas
Melky
+ Cash
gets Sabathia. Is our Farm system depleted?
Why do No hitters and CY Youngs matter? Having Mussina and Pettitte prove my point
Horne has been injured and has shown nothing yet this year.
Cox is doing well.
Acevas has pitched in the minors for three months.
Melky…well…why would Cleveland want an average CF with no bat when they have Sizemore?
“If Matsui is out as DH, that leaves more time in corner of positions and 1B as Damon, Abreu and Giambi DH more. Or at DH itself.”
i just dont see Girardi and Cashman getting that creative.
Because Horne has a high ceiling.
Cox, well you said it
Acevas, ok alot of pitchers come from the minors sometime right?
Melky can play LF or RF too cant he?
One question that needs to be answered? Why does Brett Gardner need to play everyday? Are they really stunting his development? He is 25(almost) and he projects to a 4th outfielder at best. What’s the harm in him being a 4th or 5th outfielder on this team and a valuable pinch runner sacrifice bunter. It’s not like if Brett Gardner doesn’t play everyday he won’t reach his potential. He has just about reached his potential.
“where they inserting another bat into this lineup?
you are locked into positions with most of these guys.
unless someone else gets hurt, or someone is included in a trade, you can only upgrade offensively in CF or 1B, assuming Posada is catching everyday and Giambi just DHs.
catching Posada is not in the best interest of this team.
you want to tell me they are going to trade for an offensive upgrade in CF? fine.
otherwise, you cant fit another bat in there, unless you get really, really creative, and you compromise other parts of the team to do so.”
It is politically dicey, but if you look at it objectively, SS should be thrown into the mix as well. Jeter is no where close to what he used to be. It was amazing how many times A-Rod led an inning in the last two games and he got nothing to hit. Obviously, Abrue was also part of the problem in this case.
Just so you know, sometimes the point of a trade isnt for immediate action, especially for a team in last place. The Twins only got 1 ML ready player for Santana
to step away from the batting worries, I’m a little worried about our pitching tonight. Some of the socks have INSANE numbers against pettite.
Look at the Bedard trade for an example.
I’m guessing Cleveland starts by asking for Cano and Jackson.
Oh, I forgot to add Kennedy to that trade
Horne
Kennedy
Cox/Acevas
Melky
for Santana
Take a look at the Brewers AA team before you talk about who the Yankees can afford to give up for CC and you will see why the Indians have been all over that team for a month.
No team in minor league team in baseball has more major league calibur prospects on it and the Brewers owner thinks he can win this year.
Your trade offer wouldn’t even get a return call from Mark Shapiro.
You want Sabathia? Be prepared to start with Hughes and AJax. That’s the calibur of prospect Shapiro is looking for and the Brewers have several of those guys on their AA team.
BBFan,
Girardi also said yesterday Matsui had a “great day” and was “looking forward to him taking BP on Thursday”.
Those plans are now gone.
Its not a rip on Girardi, who is a glass half full guy. Nothing wrong with that.
Several people with the Yankees think its a long term injury.
Hopefully, they are wrong.
Either way, he’s going to be out for awhile. We just don’t know how long “awhile” is yet.
“Lets just say a miracle happens and
Horne
Cox
Acevas
Melky
+ Cash
gets Sabathia. Is our Farm system depleted?”
That would be a miracle of miracle. Cash will say “yes” in NY minute. It will not deplete our farm at all.
“It is politically dicey, but if you look at it objectively, SS should be thrown into the mix as well. Jeter is no where close to what he used to be.”
i understand what you’re saying, but its just unrealistic.
I sure love the ultimate negative Yankee fan SJ
“Jorge Tabata–
Will you share with me what you are smoking?
Betemit/Duncan at 1B? Which Duncan…Shelley, or Eric?”
One can only hope and pray that he meant Chris Duncan.
Teixeira & Nady 2009!!!
D. Rob.
Being realistic is not the same as being negative.
Just once I’d like to see a pitcher drill Youkilis in the knees to stop that goofy springing up and down when he sets his stance in the batter’s box.
I seriously doubt the Brewers can resign Sabathia, so why would they trade their farm away to make a run at a very dominant Cubs and very surprising Cardinals, just to lose out. Sabathia doesnt make the Brewers a great team, it makes them a pretty good NL team
“Being realistic is not the same as being negative.”
exactly.
“Being realistic is not the same as being negative.”
I would say him saying were basically eliminated yesterday makes him negative
I still say bring in a Derik Lowe or a Burnett. Lets not give everything to get a 2 monthe rental. If you still insist on getting an Ace. Maybe look at a “healthy” Sheets. I would think he would cost much less as a rental than C.C. Could be wrong.
“I seriously doubt the Brewers can resign Sabathia, so why would they trade their farm away to make a run at a very dominant Cubs and very surprising Cardinals, just to lose out. Sabathia doesnt make the Brewers a great team, it makes them a pretty good NL team”
their goal wouldnt be to resign him, but to win.
Sabathia and Sheets prob make the best 1-2 combo in the NL the way they are both pitching right now.
they have plenty of offense to make a run, too.
you have to understand, the Brewers havent really won in a logn time, and figuring that Sheets is prob going after this season, they’re gonna go for it now rather than expect to contend again next season w/o him.
“i understand what you’re saying, but its just unrealistic.”
I 100% agree with you.
However, when Jeter’s contract comes up two and half years from now, it will be ugly. They will not offer him any thing close to what Rivera or Posada got as his skills will diminish further and will be easily replaceable (Forget about the intangibles).
Sabathia going to the Brewers would be best case scenario… gets him out of the NL, to a team that has a very little chance of signing him, so we could get him as a FA if we wanted to.
If he goes to the Sox, Cubs, Dodgers…. then chances are they re-sign him to a mega deal at the end of the year because they have the money and lure to do so.
“I seriously doubt the Brewers can resign Sabathia, so why would they trade their farm away to make a run at a very dominant Cubs and very surprising Cardinals”
It doesn’t matter what you think. It matters what their office, and their owner, thinks. If their owner thinks they can do it…they’ll make the trade. And it’d be hard for me to say that Sabathia and Sheets don’t make them scary in a short series.
And the Cardinals are smoke and mirrors. The Cubs are legit, though.
Blind Luck? Melky Sucks!
Lowe is a guy i expect Cashman to target, if available. but if the dodgers are still in it, i dont see him going anywhere.
the fact that the brewers are in on Sabathia talks means they have no interest in moving Sheets at all.
AJ Burnett would never be traded to the Yankees from Toronto.
“I would say him saying were basically eliminated yesterday makes him negative”
They DID just manage to not win series against the Reds, Pirates and Rangers. That’s not a very strong statement.
“Joe Girardi said that Hideki Matsui has not responded well to physical therapy on his knee and will not be able to take BP this weekend. It appears he will be out until after the break at the earliest. It’s apparent that he will need surgery, if not now then after the season. “It’s a possibility,†said Girardi, which is his way of saying “Absolutely.†”
Sucks about Matsui..
We are gonna need another bat…
“It is politically dicey, but if you look at it objectively, SS should be thrown into the mix as well. Jeter is no where close to what he used to be.â€
I agree that Jeter has regressed somewhat. But if the Red Sox can win a World Championship with Lugo at ss, Jeter playing short with an improved starting staff would be just fine for 2 more years.
“They will not offer him any thing close to what Rivera or Posada got as his skills will diminish further and will be easily replaceable (Forget about the intangibles).”
this is where you are dead wrong. they arent going to hang Jeter out to dry over contract negotiations.
no matter what you think he’s worth, the yankees have paid ARod, and theyve paid Posada and Mo, and they will pay Jeter accordingly.
they wont embarrass the captain.
“this is where you are dead wrong. they arent going to hang Jeter out to dry over contract negotiations.”
That’s stupid. ARod still has many productive years in him. Jeter is younger than Jorge and already not as good a hitter. When he can’t play SS anymore, he’ll have no value.
I would rather skip C.C.and see what it would take to get a legit bat like Holliday. Then we wouldnt have to re-sign Abreu.
“That’s stupid.”
That’d be stupid of them, is more what I meant. Jeter will be what, 37? He’s probably going to be a below-average bat by that point, and almost certainly a below-average defender.
“ee what it would take to get a legit bat like Holliday. ”
With his over-inflated Coors numbers and poor D?
Boo.
“this is where you are dead wrong. they arent going to hang Jeter out to dry over contract negotiations.â€
I cant see Jeter playing in a few years if he knows he no longer has it. He wont pull a Bernie on us and hold the team hostage.
whozat,
Havnt looked at the splits. But are you saying that you would rather have Abreu next year than Holliday? I mentioned him because Colorado is going no where and i thought they were looking to unload him about a month ago.
The Brewers wouldn’t have to deplete their farm system to do a CC deal. They are loaded in their farm system.
If they let CC (if they got him) and Sheets go at the end of the season, they get 4 draft picks back in return to re-stock an already loaded farm system.
I’m not being negative. I am talking about making realistic baseball trades.
If you want to act like a 10 year old fanboy, nobody here is going to stop you.
But, if you post gibberish, which you have done for the past two days, you are going to get called on it.
If discussing baseball in realistic terms is too much for you, I’m sorry. That’s what this blog has been all about since Day One and its not changing now.
The Yankees aren’t going to trade for CC Sabathia. The sooner you understand that, you will actually learn some things about how the business of the game is conducted in this blog.
Mark Shapiro has said publicly he wants quality and not quantity if he is to deal CC.
Giving up all of the Yankees B-B+ prospects is precisely the kind of deal Shapiro has said he won’t do.
Sorry if you think that’s being negative. In my world, its called being realistic.
“this is where you are dead wrong. they arent going to hang Jeter out to dry over contract negotiations.
no matter what you think he’s worth, the yankees have paid ARod, and theyve paid Posada and Mo, and they will pay Jeter accordingly.
they wont embarrass the captain.”
You have to remember that Jeter already had his 10 year rich deal. Rivera and Posada never had one and also they were at the top of thier game when they became free agents last year. And A-Rod came of his best year. Also, all of them had leverage that other teams were prepared to sign them for huge contracts. Unless, Jeter turns the age clock back and has great walk year, other teams won’t be going after him.
Look, if your skills are dimished, you have to accept a deal consistent with what you can contribute to the team. It is not an embarassment. You think O’Niel was embarassed when he accepted one year deal for something like 7mil (with deferred money)?
Jeter is going anywhere except with the NY Yankees.
This isn’t Rotisserie Baseball where you trade players at the drop of a hat…or is that stat?
Talk about Defensive liabilities, Does the name Jorge Posada ring a bell?
Watching him throw is painful – he looks like vintage NY Met Mike Piazza! Hell, Jose’ Molina would have a field day stealing 2nd against Jorge right now!
If Posada shows any defensive skills at 1B, that will be his future, first base and DH.
I think the next 6 days will tell Cashman a lot about whether he should push for a big trade this year or use smaller ones to fill small holes.
“You think O’Niel was embarassed when he accepted one year deal for something like 7mil (with deferred money)?”
Im guessing that they promissed to retire his number if he signed that deal. Phych!!
DRFS, you talked about Gardner getting on base 4-5 times in the past 3 games, but, you weren’t completely honest. he had a hit and a walk. Any other time he got on base was because he forced the runner in front of him. Not exactly getting the job done, is it? You keep harping that it’s unfair to compare Cabrera’s numbers against Gardner’s because Gardner has less than 15 plate appearances, but, then you turn around and say how much better Gardner is because he played in a winning game? Appears you want to use the same stats to say different things. Right now, the only advantage that Gardner has over Cabrera is disruptive speed. The problem is, he hasn’t been on base enough to use it.
Wait…are we talking about Gardner again? That was SO two hours ago.
Damn…I’ve been sitting here for two hours!
Getting CC out of the AL for a period of time also has its own value
Do the Cubs have the pieces for viable offers to Shapiro?
From Ed Price: So Andy and Sir Sidney vs the Rays?
http://www.nj.com/yankees/
Sidney Ponson, who allowed seven runs in five innings Wednesday against Texas, is scheduled face Tampa Bay next Wednesday.
The Yankees are off Monday, and to keep Andy Pettitte on normal rest, Pettitte will go Tuesday (against Scott Kazmir) and and Ponson will be pushed back to Wednesday (against Edwin Jackson).
Ponson’s only loss this year was to the Rays, on May 26 while pitching for the Rangers. Ponson allowed five runs on 12 hits in five innings in that game.
Mike Mussina is scheduled to pitch Saturday and then next Thursday in the makeup game at Pittsburgh.
Show of hands. How many of you think teams and fans over value prospects(my hand is up)? Hell with the way we hyped up Melky(i am one)this year. You would of thought he was going to start the all star game this year.
“Jeter is going anywhere except with the NY Yankees.
This isn’t Rotisserie Baseball where you trade players at the drop of a hat…or is that stat?
Talk about Defensive liabilities, Does the name Jorge Posada ring a bell?
Watching him throw is painful – he looks like vintage NY Met Mike Piazza! Hell, Jose’ Molina would have a field day stealing 2nd against Jorge right now!
If Posada shows any defensive skills at 1B, that will be his future, first base and DH.”
I do not think any one posted here that Jeter should be traded. Every one is talking about his diminished skills.
Regarding Posada, he got injured after signing the contract this year. If his health was like this duirng the negotiations, he would not have gotten any thing close to what he signed. Mets would not have been after him either and he would not have had the leverage.
“But are you saying that you would rather have Abreu next year than Holliday? I ”
No, I’m saying that Holliday’s price will be inflated, especially running up to the trade deadline, and you’d probably be complaining about him not living up to his former numbers in a couple months. Given what they’d have to trade for Holliday (Joba/Hughes plus another good piece?), I’d rather make a move for a guy like Juan Rivera and try to complement him with another piece. Maybe Melky and Gardner share CF with Melky playing RF late in games for D. Or maybe Abreu signs a reasonable 2 year deal and you get Kielty to platoon all over the OF against southpaws.
“How many of you think teams and fans over value prospects(my hand is up)?”
It’d be stupid to not overvalue any asset of yours, for various marketing purposes
SOS,
Teams do the same thing. Everybody overvalues their own players. Fans, teams, even players.
Its all part of the fun.
When it comes down to trades though, that’s where the rubber meets the road. Its a lot more cut and dry when teams talk trades.
Those are the conversations you would love to be a fly on the wall to hear because that’s when you find out how teams really feel about their own players.
“Mets would not have been after him either and he would not have had the leverage.”
I agree with you that the Yankees wouldnt have given him that contract. But dont put it past the Mets to sign an arm falling off/aging player. They would have gave him 4 years just to show him how much they appreciate the loyalty to sign with the orginization.
“How many of you think teams and fans over value prospects(my hand is up)?”
My hand is up. I know I do. I feel like they are all my little children and I wanna brag about them and see them do well.
By now most of you guys have heard of Hal Steimbrenner’s MLB interview.
I particularly liked this section of the interview:
“As per rules in the Basic Agreement, the Yankees, like any other team opening a new stadium, are allowed a credit against revenue sharing each season to pay down debt on construction costs. The Yankees, who pay rent at the current stadium and have no operational costs, are currently the highest payee into the revenue-sharing system, having contributed approximately $100 million alone last season, Steinbrenner said.”
http://tinyurl.com/3wt9fa
I mention this because in a discussion weeks ago with SJ44 I countered that the Yankees had a bunch of money coming off the books this year (with its concomitant decrease in luxury tax), plus they would be getting a credit for the stadium to be applied to their revenue sharing obligations. Thus, the Yankees will have money in 2009 to sign all those FAs they need (e.g., Sabathia and Teixeira).
SJ44 claimed that the revenue sharing tax only applied for one season, so it’s good to know that the Yankees will have extra money to spend thanks to new Yankee Stadium.
(If some enterprising soul wants to find that exchange, be my guest. It was probably about 4 weeks ago).
“Havnt looked at the splits.”
You should. Holliday is very overrated. He is no more than an average corner outfielder when he’s hitting on the road. I would not trade for him given what’ll it’ll cost. I wouldn’t even sign him on the free agent market – he’s not worth the $140M someone will pay him.
The Brewers are in win now mode. Small market teams have a very narrow window of opportunity. The Brewers are in one now. That’s why they threw all that money at Gagne in the off season. That’s why they didn’t decide to trade Sheets over the winter.
This winter they are going to lose Sheets. They may also need to trade Fielder – his long term contract still hasn’t gotten done. Good chance they’ll try to trade him for pitching to replace Sheets in the off season and let La Porta play first.
So going into an off season in which they may lose Sheets and Fielder the Brewers have to make the most of this season right now.
They are packed with talent and are a perfect fit for what Cleveland needs. The Brewers have more young power hitting prospects than any organization in baseball. If they decide that they want Sabbathia no team – not even the Rays – will be able to put together a package to match the brewers.
And they’ll be able to make a Sabbathia trade without giving up La Porta, their best prospect. That’s how much talent they have. Matt Gamel cold serve as the centerpiece for a Sabbathia trade. They have an overstock of players like Gamel – power hitters who play corner spots (IF or OF) and are poor defensive players.
And on top of that they are amongst the very best drafting teams in the league – probably the best when it comes to evaluating hitters. I’m sure they’d be quite confident in their ability to use the draft picks they’d get for Sabbathia to select talented players.
Every indication has been that Sabbathia is going to test the market – trade or not. And why shouldn’t he given that he’s only 3 months away. Shapiro is also supposedly not going to allow a negotiating window.
Its a select group of teams that will be interested in giving up value for CC as a rental. I don’t think either the Yankees or Sox would be interested. The cubs would but they have no talent in the minors.
It’s the Brewers call on Sabbathia if he goes on the market. No team can touch or afford to give up the kind of position player talent they can – and that’s exactly what Cleveland needs. They need power hitters.
Speed is the most important thing to think about when putting together a team. Super fast, slap hitting out fielders are why the Mariners are in first. Speed is why Carl Crawford has 4 rings.
I don’t get the Gardner love. He has done nothing. Which is not to say he doesn’t deserve a shot, but let him accomplish something before he is annointed. I think its Sox envy. Earlier people were going on about how good Beckett is, ignoring our righty ace. Now its Ellsbury envy. We root for the Yankees. Have some pride. Next it will lamenting how the new stadium doesn’t have little league dimensions with some ugly wall out in left.
whozat,
I like your thinking. We talked about Rivera about a month ago. If he shows signs of being healthy. I wouldnt mind him coming back. Good glove and was hitting well behing Vlad last year.
I think its an incorrect assumption to believe the Yankees will fill all of their off-season needs via free agency.
Their plan is still to reduce payroll.
The luxury tax, not revenue sharing, is the issue.
Its why I think the days of a 200+ million dollar payroll are over after this season.
“SJ44 claimed that the revenue sharing tax only applied for one season, so it’s good to know that the Yankees will have extra money to spend thanks to new Yankee Stadium.”
No, they will not have extra money to spend.
They do not have to pay revenue sharing because they are already spending that money on debt servicing for the new stadium.
you’re nuts if you think Jeter isnt going to demand he get paid… and he will get paid accordingly. consider it a contract that recognizes his career moreso than his actual current value to the team.
i wouldnt mind Holliday out in LF, but its not going to happen until he hits the free agent market come after the 2009 season. by that point, Damon and Matsui are off the books, and LF is open.
even if Coors infaltes his numbers a little bit, his bat is still legit.
SJ44,
Are you familiar with Tom Singer’s work?
I’m asking because I’ve noticed (or imagined) a marked difference in the, uh, writing style.
For instance, take a look at this preview:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
Just seems like someone younger, more energetic, and current is writing this stuff. I’m not necessarily liking it really.
Wanted to know what you (or others) think.
“Good glove”
Is that so? I don’t know anything about his D. I kinda assumed it wasn’t that great, looking at his body type.
It all depends…they have some AWFUL contracts in that OF, but are also power-starved. If someone’s dumb enough to take Matthews Jr. or Anderson off their hands, they’ll probably keep Rivera.
Sorry, Eric, but, not everyone camps out on this board 24-7. I respond as I read them. If that bothers you…..I guess you’ll just have to be bothered.
The days of the $200M payroll are over because it doesn’t work.
“even if Coors infaltes his numbers a little bit, his bat is still legit.”
Yeah, but someone will pay him like he’s a young all-star. His bat away from Coors is basically Matsui. Which is good, but not worth the asking price. Especially not in trade.
I was joking.
“he’s a young all-star”
And by this, I meant more like “young hall-of-famer”
Not familiar with his work Mel.
i said it earlier, but if the Braves are thinking about sending Jeff Francouer down to the minors, as rumor has it, i’d think about moving some of my surplus of young pitching to pick up a guy like him.
very talented and athletic, power from the right side, and has a cannon for an arm. he could slide right into RF when Abreu leaves after the season.
Atlanta has young OFs in the system; i think 3 of their top 5 prospects are OFs. but they can use the SP, which we have to offer for the right player.
SJ,
I would love to be a fly on the wall.
Cashman-Ill give you Kennedy,Horne and Melky for C.C.
Shapiro-What!! Kennedy needs to see Arods shrink. Horne has the symptoms of Pavonitus and who’s Melky?
Cashman-Oh yeah!! Well we already had a fat toad in pinstripes and didnt want him anyways!! How about for Siezmore? Where you going?
“Which is good, but not worth the asking price. Especially not in trade.”
agreed. thats why i said the first chance the yankees would take on him is after he hits FA after 2009, and not pay the price for him in prospects now.
Hey guys, Yanks ticketmaster site just released some new empty seats for tomorrow’s game it seems. I checked last couple days they were sold out or only $400 seats left but I just got great seats for $65. Hurry if you’re interested before the 6 people I just txt got them first.
The funny thing about all of this excitement about Brett Gardner is that this is just setting him up to be a disappointment.
People’s expectations have gone completely out of line with Gardner’s talent. The overwhelming majority of people who evaluate prospects see Gardner as a 4th outfielder (maybe even a 5th OF).
Now they may be wrong – but that’s the general take on Gardner. That’s what his talent level is considered to be.
Watching Bernie, Jeter, Posada and now Cano has really stilted the perspective many yankee fans have for what to expect from up the middle players in terms of offensive production.
People keep talking about Gardner’s OBP skills. No CF in baseball has an OBP of .400. One CF in all of baseball has an OBP of greater than .380.
The primary issue with the whole debate of Gardner vs. Melky has little to do with either Melky or Gardner. It has to do with what people’s expectations are for offensive production from the CF spot.
An average CF is well below an average MLB hitter.
At this rate of setting expectations Gardner is almost doomed to fail.
“agreed. thats why i said the first chance the yankees would take on him is after he hits FA after 2009, and not pay the price for him in prospects now.”
Still…do you want to hand out 7/140 to a guy who’ll hits about as well as Matsui right now and will decline in the last several years of the deal…while playing crappy D the whole time?
“you’re nuts if you think Jeter isnt going to demand he get paid… and he will get paid accordingly. consider it a contract that recognizes his career moreso than his actual current value to the team.”
He is already paid and is being paid. You think he is worth $21.6 mil this year? Giambi is a better bargain
“No, they will not have extra money to spend.
They do not have to pay revenue sharing because they are already spending that money on debt servicing for the new stadium.”
They will have extra money to spend, because they will be able to deduct (as depreciation for tax purposes) the cost of the new Stadium AND they will be able to decrease their revenue shareing WHILE increasing their revenue streams from the new stadium.
SJ44′s point was that the Yankees won’t have as much money as others claim, but he’s wrong (and come on SJ, $$$s going out from revenue sharing are just punitive as $$$$s going out from luxury tax. Money is fungible after all).
Now we can argue whether the Yankees should deal with some of their limitations through FA, but that’s a different point from the one I made a while back, which is that the Yanks have a competitive advantage on the money front, which they should leverage wisely.
Indeed, the problem for the Yankees has been that they tried to solve all their problems through FA (and to a lesser extent, trades), while foregoing the need to draft better players and to sign better amateur players from Lat Am.
The Yanks ARE drafting better players (they are leveraging their advantage in the draft, which is why they’ve gotten the Brackman’s and Cole’s of the world), and have been very agressive in Lat Am.
PROVIDED that FA is not the ONLY way you try to build your team, FA is fine.
Right now, the Yankees are in a lovely position of being able to sign FAs which they need, because they have a ton of young, cheap talent coming up, WHILE also having money coming off the books after 2008 (and after 2009), with decreased revenue sharing and luxury tax contributions BUT with increased revenue from Yankee Stadium’s last season and the upcoming new Yankee Stadium.
Thanks, SJ. I just can’t stand to see bad writing on the net!
Looks like a rain delay to start and more on the way after that. Pettitte doesn’t need that, again…two games in a row. They should have had a retractable dome on the new park.
“At this rate of setting expectations Gardner is almost to be seen as a failure by most readers of this blog, despite probably being exactly who reasonable people (including the Yankees) thought he would be.”
Fixed that for you
Melky is insulted with all the negative talk about him in this blog
Today is the day he will come out of his funk and begin to be a very productive player again for the rest of the season and make many of us eat crow
mel,
Before i get back to work. Yes i have to actually work again. What do you think about Maggette possibly going to the Spurs? Would that scare you any? Good move by the Clippers if they can hang on to Brand.
anyone know if sui’s knee is the same one from last year or the other one?
“anyone know if sui’s knee is the same one from last year or the other one?”
The other one.
So I shouldn’t expect a Vince Lombardi trophy/Stanley Cup/Larry O’Brien trophy/yellow jersey/few gold medals from Gardner?
“even if Coors infaltes his numbers a little bit, his bat is still legit.”
Holliday has a career 1.062 home OPS over his career. His individual numbers at home: BA .363 OBP .427 SLG .655.
He’s an elite player at home. No doubt.
On the road – he is a .790 OPS player. BA .277 OBP .340 SLG .450.
So his offensive production is around 25% lower on the road than at home. That is an enormous difference.
On the road he is a slightly less productive offensive player than Abreu was last year.
He’s exactly the kind of guy that makes free agency such a disaster over and over again. He carries enormous risk because it is unclear whether he can produce at the kind of levels you’d expect him to given the dollars it will take. His career track record suggests that outside of Colorado he’s a $14M player for a 4 year deal. He’s going to get a lot more than that.
“Still…do you want to hand out 7/140 to a guy who’ll hits about as well as Matsui right now and will decline in the last several years of the deal…while playing crappy D the whole time?”
it depends on what my other options are. not really, though again i wouldnt mind him holding down LF for the near future. could certainly do a lot worse.
whozat,ty
“He is already paid and is being paid. You think he is worth $21.6 mil this year?”
more of a reason to understand he’s not taking a pay cut… the only man that was happier to see ARod resign that deal with the yankees for that much money was Jeter.
you think Andy is a $16 million pitcher? no, but could they go lower with their offer? nope. they wouldnt embarras him like that.
just reality.
“it depends on what my other options are.”
Not really. Making a decision with bad long-term consequences because nothing else looks as attractive in the short-term is never the right thing to do. I know. I do it every day. Instead of working on my dissertation, I come spend time on this blog
Fellas,
You have to feel good about this year. With Jeter,Cano,Pettitte(for a while),Melky struggling. Our pitching staff hit with injuries. We are going into a 4 game series with boston 4 games back. Deadline approaching. Pitchers getting healthy. Cano finally showing signs of coming out of it and most of all our savior. Gardner!! Its looking better than i originally thought. Could it be a third place finish for the sox again?
SoS,
Maggette who?
“you think Andy is a $16 million pitcher? no, but could they go lower with their offer? nope. they wouldnt embarras him like that.
just reality.”
But Andy’s a serviceable pitcher, and those are one-year deals. Sure, if Jeter doesn’t want to be “embarrassed”, let him take a series of pricey one-year deals, and understand that the team will eventually stop signing them. But if Derek is expecting 3/60 for the guy he’ll be at the end of this deal right here…screw him. That’s bad for the team.
“Seriously, SJ. I can see why you have so many ‘fans’. You can be so belittling.”
He only belittles people who don’t want to learn anything. Or, as I call them, the people who deserve it.
Bad news about Hideki. I was looking forward to seeing him alongside Alex and Jeter at the ASG. I hope his new paper bride takes good care of him and can nurse him back to health sooner rather than later
“SoS,
Maggette who?”
“Carl” Maggette
SJ to the regulars=Troll shield
SoS,
Actually it’s Corey. He’s good. Needs the ball to be effective. Always has a career game against the Lakers.
How weird would it be if Brand and Lord Baron Davis (his real name) swapped locker rooms?
Brett Gardner reminds me of John Cangelosi.
Al Leiter is in the booth tonight? This does not necessarily bode well…
SOS,
Better description. Just think, when CV is away, I attract all the stalkers and trolls!! lol
Enjoy the game tonight folks.
I meant “V”, not CV.
At least he is not on the mound
mel-
The word on the street is in fact Brand to Golden State.
mel,
I know that. I meant “Carl Pavano”Maggette(always hurt). I guess not being here as often has made my jokes lamer.
Brand,IMO is a little more of a risk coming off that injury. It does look likely that they are going to swap teams.
Just want to thank all of you for giving me somewhere to go in these stressfull times. Im truly greatfull. If it wasnt for this blog(feinds). I would probably already had a nervous breakdown or paying big bucks for a shrink.
GO YANKEES!!
Re: Matt Holliday – I’ve learned my lesson. A 1 or 2 year deal – sure. Beyond that, no way, esp. since he’s not as a good a hitter away from Coors Field. The same goes for any long-term deal, exception being MAYBE for CC. I would still be extremely skeptical of a Santana-type deal for him, because of the albatross-contract fear.
Uh, for the people questioning why Giambi isn’t playing first base even though he hits better when he does: do you want Giambi having to make a throw to second when Pettitte picks someone off? You can’t give away outs in games like these, so it’s a smart move. I’m sure Giambi can pull himself together and hit in the DH spot.
I’m so scared of the Boston Chowders.
But I’ll be unexpectedly optimistic here and say that Yanks will take 1 out of 4 this weekend
We are going to KILL the sox tonight!
See a called K so it starts!
Anyone want to bet on how long it takes to play the game?
I put the over/under at 3.45.
Lucky hits Im not worried
Here comes the DP
Oy Andy…DP would be nice!
That blew, Jeter cmon Captain the blew
Come on Andy
I say the game will be over by 11:10pm
…
You have GOT to be kidding me.
Dang it
Anyone who says that Giambi is a better hitter just because he’s playing 1st base hasn’t been paying attention the past few years. All that stat proves is that sometimes stats do lie. I guess many of you forgot that Torre would put Jason as the DH when he was slumping or hurting. That would cause those numbers to be radically different. Jason’s numbers have improved this year not because he’s playing more 1st base… It’s because he’s hitting to the left side like he did pre-2003.
I meant to say THAT blew, nit Jeter does, I apoligize
I’m starting to get tired of Jeter’s terrible throwing arm…
Arrgh
Captain clunker
And that will be in the highlight reel when Cashman explains to Jeter why they can’t pay him $24mill a year.
And there goes the double play.
*scowl*
Oh my goodness that throw was pitiful.
Seems like whenever we make an error it really hurts…
C’mon Pettitte, BE TOUGH!
Let’s Go Yanks!
Jeter intangibles check
Damon rocket arm check
good start
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I am getting really tired of Jeter’s play this year.
whatever…
this game is FAAAAR from over. they have to make lester work.
JEter cmon you not hitting at least help us on the field…
Man, I cannot stand looking at Pukelis. Does he realize how ugly he is?
Damon will lead the 1st with a walk and Jeter will ground into a DP…haha YANKEES R CURSED now by Ruth for building a new stadium
I swear, my 7 year old cousin throws a better baseball than this Damon fellow. Possibly the ugliest arm in the history of MLB>
nice play by king Derek… routine toutine paly.. balem it on Melky…..
cost them at least 2 runs and 12 pitches..
Damon throws like my 13 yr old daughter…
yech
i cant believe we are saddled with this washed up scrub for another few years… if jeter starts the AS game im going to throw an egg at him
Andy should have been out of that inning without any runs scoring. Jeter had better do some stellar making up with the bat, thats all I can say.
Time has caught up to Derek, it happens
ALL THE TIME
BB77 it wouldve been a easy inning if Jeter made that play cant say anything bout Andy
Jeter single handedly is going to lose this game.
It must be too defalting to the whole team, instead of getting out without score, god knows how many runs. And Pettitte is throwing many more pitches because of it.
And let us wait until he hits into his customery GIDP and kills rallies. When is Pete going to get on his case
It was a great takeout slide by Drew, Jeter should have hung in there.
No newsflash but Damon throws like a girl.
I know the i will be criticized but this team is no fun to watch.
That inning sblew, but we will be fine, we will kill the sux
Ahh incoherent post time.
That inning was on Jeter. Andy was out of that inning without giving up a run.
It would be nice if we can get those runs right back.
Damon singles jeter up DP
I hope thats a jk bout a take out slide watch it again Drew didnt even touch Jeter.. just a horrible throw by an average SS.
you figure with all the dp’s he has hit into this year, he be able to turn one
Mike Housman
Um, that is a news flash?
at least jeter makes up for his atrocius fielding with clutch, bigtime hitting. dont worry though, he will be at bungalow 8 in a few hours without a care in the world
Let’s give it right back to them!
GO YANKS! BEAT BOSTON!!!!!
They can crush Boston, if they are on.
Damon is strong why cant he throw?
well… this is not exactly a great start.
Wow …. bitch, gripe, kvetch, whine.
Every single move made by this team is second-guessed and moaned about.
Look – a few weeks back, people wanted Giambi DFA’d. Period. Everybody was clamoring for Ensberg and Betemit to get shots at first because Giambi “sucked” so bad. What happened? Giambi caught on fire, Ensberg proved he had nothing left in the tank, and despite a few nice sporadic HR’s … it’s obvious why Betemit is not an everyday player.
Now every Yankee fan (
VRSCE thats like saying u can throw a no-hitter if you dont give up a HIT.. lol.. here comes a DP
Here come captain Dp
“Doris From Rego Park
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:20 pm
i cant believe we are saddled with this washed up scrub for another few years… if jeter starts the AS game im going to throw an egg at him”
Are you going to lay the egg yourself, Doris??
“Damon singles jeter up DP”
…
That’s what I like; a leadoff walk. Let’s bring that run home, guys!
please no dp Jetes
Come on Jeets, get something going with your mat.
those leadoff walks sure are a cancer to lester
If Jeter grounds into a DP or bunts Damon to second, we should trade him for AJ Burnett.
Kidding folks, simmer down.
**bat!! I meant
cancer joke… very classy
What the hell happened to the second half of my post?
Well, I’m not typing all of that over again…..
Coach Jay23
We shall see. Jeter up man on first.
Hit coming
Hey BB77 i coach Varsity baseball i am a Yankee fan and know bout the game of baseball than u tough guy I was jk so calm down
Here we go!!!!
Wow Jeters first walk since forever
If the Yanks don’t get at least two runs out of this – this could be a loooooong game.
Isn’t Varitek like 8 for 75 or something? I bet he’s missing those steroids right about now.
This is where we need to start hitting with RISP, this is a huge momentum builder if we can get back those 2 or take the lead and the get the crowd into this
what do you guys think about Giambi hitting 3rd rather than Abreu? maybe more chances for hits with not as much of a shift?
“those leadoff walks sure are a cancer to lester”
That is not funny. Show some class.
Wolf- if you get firefox, you can hit back, and it will reappear.
wally the ump.
ty
yanks caught a break… he was out
“what do you guys think about Giambi hitting 3rd rather than Abreu? maybe more chances for hits with not as much of a shift?”
That is a good idea. But who will protect A-Rod?
We must capitalize on that…
Yankees got two breaks this inning, hopefully they will capitalize with at LEAST a sac fly.
Yankees doing everything they can to hit into some rally killing DPs and swing at Lester’s out of the zone pitches. Nice job Bobby
they got the Jeter error back with that call.
time to score
Wow Alex, that was really not cool.
Krod ya gotta do better than that, its ok here comes the 3 run bomb!
protect AROD is a good pt, however if Giambi continues to get on 40% of the time theres no where to put AROD, Idk if Abreu can be a 5 hitter maybe hes 6th and Jorge would be 5th, or Abreu moves to 2 and Jeter to 6th IDK, Girardi would prolly do something knowing him
That was ugly Arod.. Come on Giambi !!
“Wow …. bitch, gripe, kvetch, whine.
Every single move made by this team is second-guessed and moaned about.”
You coulda stopped here and been 110% right.
I don’t care that he just struck out. I’d still take him off of Cynthia’s hands.
Can we get them to bring in Timlin?
Who will protect A-Rod? Good Question?
I see we’re back to our old tricks.
lol. game over. this team is full of gutless weasels who do coke and cheat on their wives
Very disappointing
There is a crucial difference.
unable to capitalize on a gift.
Go Giambi, he has the winners killer edge
That was DISGUSTING, 2 walks, 48 Million dollar worht of players up and 2 strikeouts?
Puke
Wow, what an uneventful inning with these stranded runners. Where is the consistency??
Good one, Doris. Haven’t you got a Red Sox forum to crawl under?
Nice to see the offense back in usual form.
That’s why errors kill this team. Gotta hit more than one every 4 or 5 games.
Just a terrible hitting team with runners on base.
Thanks for the tip jennifer.
or not
as good as ARod is…he simply cannot get a runner in from 3rd. he does not know how to just put a ball in play without striking out or popping up in the infield.
??? Who does coke, what did I Miss?
it’s going to be a loooooooooooooong game
Gardner woulda had that
no one does during the season… the off season is another story all together
Blame it on Melky..It was his fault Jeter had that terrible error.
It is Melky’s fault that AROD get s in less then 45% of the guys from 3rd with less then 2 outs..TERRIBLE..
It is also Melky’s fault Abreu and Giambi are not cluth..
let’s add it up $19 for jeter, abreu $16, Arod $27, and Giambi $21, that is million folks, so over $80 mill for that collection of clutch studs, but blame it on the guy making $460k.. That is logical….
note to mlb teams who are slumping. circle the yankees on your schedule as the team to break out of your slump on
Seems like nowadays, if you want to ensure a shutout inning, you let the Yankees get the leadoff man of the inning to second base with no outs. It’s an automatic 3 uneventful at bats guaranteed, with a nice mix of pop ups to the shortstop, strikeouts, or foul outs.
Or you can load the bases and put a-rod at the plate for an auto-strike out. Disgusting.
That was a really bad inning for the Yanks. They needed to get at least a run there after the first two men were on. Bad at bat by Alex.
the sad part is – no one got a hit.
Angel – I could have kept going and been a 150% right.
But thanks anyway.
Disappointing start, but it’s just one inning.
Broken record much, Stuart?
Thanks Jeter, again looking great in the field.
Doris who does alot of coke offseason?
Wow, what is Pettitte doing? This guy is like an AL pitcher at bat.
strikes Andy
Jeter is having the worst offensive year of his career so far this season.
That said, ARod is hitting .250 with RISP. Giambi is hitting .197 with RISP.
That’s why they are not scoring runs. When your 4 and 5 hole hitters aren’t hitting with RISP you’re not going to score much.
The yankees score runs when ARod and Giambi hit home runs. But when they don’t hit homeruns both of them just aren’t driving in many runs.
That’s a big reason why this has been a feast or famine team this season. The 4 and 5 hole hitters aren’t driving in runs – and its not as if there aren’t runners on base in front of them.
i give arod a pass- his wife is in paris having sex with lenny kravitz. my wife pointed out something funny- she had a kid like 3 months ago which means she could only start having sex like a 3 weeks ago. LOL
This has the makings of a long evening.
Clearly, Jeter’s error is having an impact on Pettitte.
He can’t find the plate.
atta boy andy! way to walk varitek on four straight. smart move considering he is tearing the cover off the ball right now. how do you not challenge this guy right now. obviously doesn’t have his stuff
I know, Wolf.. its really just one inning. If its still looking this bad by the 7th, then I get it. But seriously – if people think are game is over before the bottom of the 1st, why stay around and torture the rest of us?
Kay to me seems like a liberal. It must kill him to have to say “Stay tuned for a message from our FRIENDS at FOX NEWS”.
LOL!
And to stay on topic, why in the world would you walk Varitek, worst offensive catcher in baseball– on 4 pitches?
wow, bad start…
This is not going to be pleasant.
Why bother getting upset? Girardi over the past week alone has proved that there is no chance in hell he’s taking us to the postseason.
Game over.
This has the makings of “video night” at my house.
“i give arod a pass- his wife is in paris having sex with lenny kravitz. my wife pointed out something funny- she had a kid like 3 months ago which means she could only start having sex like a 3 weeks ago. LOL”
Good one “Doris”. Did you and your wife go to CA to get married?
Pathetic.
Welcome to the AL Pettitte,JOba and Mussina.
These are contending teams.Pettitte like Wang are never good against Boston anyway.
seen enough…
This is not good
Posada kneeling down is taller than Pedroia
This is pathetic.
Bad calls by the ump.
Bad fielding by the defense
Poor location by Pettitte.
Terrible, terrible game.
Waste of LIFE>
we scored 18 runs last night, we’ll probably score 1 or 2 tonight while the Sox score 11 or 12.
best of both worlds? not really. the Red Sox just don’t have the Rangers’ bullpen with only 2 of their worst pitchers left
…Even up 4-0 you still can not run on Andy Pettitte.
Now the momentum shifts…we win this one!
GO YANKS!
“who wins in a drinking contest- ellsbury or joba?”
You’re a stupid racist tool.
A good way to wake up your bats Yankees Pitching
Melky time
He and Betemit will make things happen……
Peter says bad job not getting the runs in but he will have his usual snide remarks about Melky..
textbook, clutch hitting.. posada cannot throw they are going to torment him..
are we back down to earth after our 18 run outburst……….
hell blame arods total lack of any clutch hitting on melky also..
our 416 mill pitcher has given up 2 earned so far and walked varitek who SUCKS>>>>
we look really complete tonight.. our only chance is even if you make outs make LESTER throw alot of pitch’s..
Memo to Cano and the bottom of the order take a pitch this season please….
Arod never gets runner in on 3rd with less than 2 outs
That McDonals commercial was brilliant!!! lol at the guy opening the cereal bag!
Bwhahaha
I’m glad I saw that, I’m a little less angry now
The Yankees really need to get going tonight. Tomorrow the pitching match-up does not favor them to state the obvious.
Time to get 4 runs…or at least a hit?
Melk-dud coming up to ground out to 2nd.
Come on bats. Get something going.
A NY – Boston game is rarely over in the first few innings.
But I agree, Angel – if it looks ugly around the 7th, this team hasn’t exactly had a track record of coming back late in the games this year.
Wonder what Girardi say about Lester like Perez in the post game show.Maybe he’ll say “Lester did a job he was like Randy Johnson…Man he was good”.
“what do you guys think about Giambi hitting 3rd rather than Abreu? maybe more chances for hits with not as much of a shift?”
Yeah, it is Girardi who made the errot in the first innning. It is Girardi who gave up four runs in tow innings.
What the hell is going on! He’s not Cy Young!
This is painful to watch
“Pettitte like Wang are never good against Boston anyway.”
Any is 9-5 against Boston hitters. Wang pitched a complete game this year at Fenway and kept Sox to 1 run.
Still we have seven innings to go to win the game, which is possible. For that to happen, Pettite has to be effective GIDP machine should forget how to DP
nothing cures a slump like the yankees.
This is excruciating.
sad sad game. Looks like the yanks revert to form.
Getting a hit would be a nice place for the Yanks to start.
So, can Hank issue a statement in the middle of the game?
Just a thought. News that Andy might have to testify in the McNamee hearings. Pettitte is pretty sensitive and things really bother him. I wonder if he’s got that on his mind. Unusual lack of control for him tonight.
I already figured Yankee hitting would be out of kilter because of last night’s explosion.
We’ll keep hoping.
Lester’s no hitting us. We need to do something about that.
I now officially believe that Jeter is playing hurt. No way he would have thrown that ball away healthy.
Pete,
This is not a test of Girardi’s leadership.
He can’t keep this team together.
Its a veteran team, loaded with guys who have no trade clauses and who don’t listen to anybody and he is a first time manager. He has no chance.
Its impossible to keep a team of fading, former all stars, underachieving young players, and guys who are in between together. Its just a bad mix of players.
They have stunk for most of this season and came out tonight and basically threw the game away in the first inning.
That’s not on the manager, that’s on the players.
The only good news is, if this team continues to play like this, they can begin dismantling it now instead of waiting for the off-season. That’s the only good that can come out of a lost season.
In the meantime, you have to live with the results.
Names don’t equal production.
Hey Pete, how about including a little criticism of Jeter? I think he deserves some criticism after that poor display of a throw in the 1st inning.
ARod’s antics were a real distraction last night.
blame that inning on Melky also morons… the disdain and abuse our 9th hitter takes over the zillionaires is a joke.
they are where they are because of the lutch bunch; led by the king the stat man arod who is showind last yrs. clutchness was an anamoly this is the true arod(soft in the middle, attntion freak), then we have Derek(who spends alot of time on making $$$ outside of baseball, isn’t $19 mill in salary enough? then we have abreu(mr. Wall) and the gang.. It is tiring to say the same crap over and over…..
The good news is if its still 4-0 (or worse) and A-Rod comes up with nobody on, he’ll definitely hit one out.
Nothing nailed it on the head this year until I read Pete’s comment from last nights game:
Last year – you knew the Yanks were on the verge of breaking out of the slump because at the least, they were grinding through their at bats. Even tho they were scoring few at the beginning, they were at least wearing down starting pitching every single game. This year, there is no grinding through at bats. They give them away like snowflakes in a blizzard. This is why I fear for this team this year. There’s no attempt to fight through every single at bat and pitch. They give up way too easily and swing way too often at too many bad pitches.
We should trade Pettitte soon.
I disagree with you, Pete.
“This is when the manager has to earn his money and keep the team focused and together.”
Is there a magic wand Girardi can use to make sure Jeter does not make errors or does not hit into DPs and kill rallies? I forgot A-Rod was the reason, Jeter made the error
strikes Andy! Strikes
4 pitches into Manny’s at bat and he gets a strike. Not a way to pitch.
giardi has a different lineup in there every day this guy is like Arod he is over managing
Looks like pettitte just does not have it today.
throw
a
strike
No one likes Yankee losses quite like SJ44. He was probably complaining in summer of 1998 too.
*sigh* anyone else having a problem with mlb.tv? damn thing kept freezing for 30-40 seconds at a time during the bottom of the 2nd, now i can’t even get back into the game.
probably for the better anyway.
the problem with giambi hitting 3rd is he is so damn slow it is a huge negative.
people are looking for any excuse it is laughable.. arod and the wife thing…
pettitte and possible testimony(so what) he is not on trial..
they just suck… Bottom line all this talent wasted….no minds(dumb players) and no mental toughness…..
bad results because they are a 500 team…boom 1/2 an inning of mistakes has caused this team to go in hibernation.. this team is so fragile, Jeters error has crippled these softies…………..
argh. These walks suck
This is ridiculous.
I mean really, if any other player had of made a costly error like that, I dont think the silence would be quite so deafening.
nobody here likes yankee losses. if you do, you’re on the wrong blog.
Is anyone warming up in the pen?
It might be time to bring in the big gun, LaTroy Hawkins.
Hey HGH guy , trow strikes !
Global Warming: You must not listen to M.Kay much. He’s a conservative — one of the few in NYC.
That was huge. Hopefully some momentum now on our side.
“The clownish antics of A-Rod have popped up as a distraction.”
What antics?
Hanging out with Madonna? I wouldn’t say that qualifies.
here comes melk dud!
talking about a no hitter after 2 innings is all you need to know of how dumb many of the posters are.
CLOWN
Whew! Needed that
Can they try and get a hit now?
a hit would be nice.
so Ironic first hit by melky
nice Melky
Yeah, this team is really like the ’98 team.
You don’t need to change your name all the time to take shots at me.
It would help though if you had a clue about baseball.
Then again, you don’t which is why you change your name all the time.
How ’bout that, the guy everybody wants run out of town actually reaches base.
Jeez. Johnny was just late on that.
Captain DP strikes again
by all means swing at the first pitch.
Derek…
sigh
Jeter finds anyway possible to bang into a dp.
of all people to get a hit – it’s of course melky…. too bad no one else can seem to hit tonight.
Not again. I like Derek but this is getting ridiculous. He is killing this team tonight – the error, now a DP
It’s so sad its not even a bit funny anymore.
Pete,
I think Jeter’s play has hurt this team more than anything Arod has or hasn’t done this.
Take a look at the first 3 innings tonight.
Not exactly going to be on a Jeter highlight reel.
PAAA-FREAKIN-THETIC!!!!!!!!!
Am i skewed because I watch every at bat of the yankees, but does Derek lead the MLB in GIDP? Who makes up the top 5?
That did NOT seriously just happen!!!
Jeter better write a $1 mill refund check payable to the Yankees tonight.
That was a 4 pitch inning.
I think king derek has about 13DP’s but no one talks about it….
they talk about Melky and his issues…
Derek is on his game tonight , 1 horrible play after another but Peter and the other guys who love reputations and other BS will talk about Melky or some other BS..
The bottom line is they have done about nothing right tonight and the umps even screwed up the abreu DP at 1st call..
they are mailing it in… Jeter some games just cannot hit the ball out of the infield it is amazing….
oh good grief
I’m glad we got a hit via Melky, but that just means we’ll have to continue to endure him as Girardi puts him out there — “bad luck” and all.
It’s hard not to dislike this team right now. And I am NOT usually like that.
You have to be kidding me!!!!!!!!!
JETER!!!!!! I never ever, ever, ever yell at Jeter.
I just screamed my head off at him.
sigh.
thats 12 dps for him on the year
strikes would be good Andy
It’s time for Cashman to dismantle this pathetic team.
jeter is atrocious.
I can’t believe the way this offense is laying down for this 6 inning pitcher. Pathetic.
Pettite looks sharp tonight!
they are going to run all night on jorge..
this is not your fathers sux……..
posadas arm issue is scary bad..
six balls to a guy who is batting under .100 in june
You seriously can’t throw a strike to a completely washed up catcher hitting .219? Wow.
I never get mad at Jeter either, but I’m a little frustrated with him at the moment. That said he has chances to contribute, so maybe he will.
The Yanks look like the team that got into NY at 4 AM.
Posada Cant Throw redsox has 4-5 guys that can run
he should be playing 1B Giardi is in love with Betemit
I wonder if Mr. Confidence ever feels like a schmuck for hitting into all the DPs or making those horrendous throws? And I like Jeter. But come on…
And Arod — ugh. We’re paying him the big bucks to chase his personal records.
Po can’t throw out anyone-not exactly good for a catcher.
Oy
Jeter is 7th (not including tonights game) on the AL GIDP
Sportsnetwork AL GIDP Leaders
SJ @ 7:56 was quite possibly the only intelligent comment of the night.
before you all start your “this is pathetic!” troll posts, keep in mind that this is the type of game they were playing last year as well, only they’re doing it with more regularity this year.
the future of this team might still have Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, and Jorge Posada as part of the starting lineup, but we’ve got to get younger and more patient everywhere else. there’s no quick fix there.
then again, it’s only the 4th inning.
I really noticed it in the ALDS last year but Jeter’s GIDP’s are becoming a real inning killer.
I keep thinking he is going to go on a tear and carry us for a few weeks but for the first time ever I just do not know.
Jorge’s arm is really hurting us. He needs to start getting a lot more games at 1b. I can understand Girardi trying to play the hot hand with Betemit, but you don’t do it to the detriment of having a catcher throw guys out when you’re playing a team with 3 or 4 threats to steal.
acutally, if you include that last one – he’s now 3rd on the list with 12. Lyle Overbay is 1st with 15.
is that ‘clownish antics of arod’ comment supposed to be sarcasm?
Hey, fundamnetal baseball! Sure with the Yankees could do that.
Petitte is putting on a “how not to pitch” clinic tonight.
It is runs like that that the Yanks do not get, ever. Single, steal, sac, sac.
THis is disgusting. Their team reminds me of the team I used to think was ours. They have heart guts energy we look old and bored.
The redsox are the new yankeess
That makes me ill
textbook… varitek looks like Johnny Bench against the Yanks tonight.
they are schooling the yankees.
There is no other way to say it but the yare schooling us, there speed, plate dscipline, etc.
the bottom of the yankee order never takes pitche’s(cano, betemit, cabrera) and the middle of the order cannot get a big hit, train wreck tonight… I thought they would win tonight but shows what I know….
What makes this even tougher is, every game the Yankees losse when Joba, Moose or Pettitte pitches just puts more pressure on guys like Rasner and Ponson to step up.
Pretty tough to expect 3 of your 5 guys to always win because the back end of the rotation is so weak.
That’s why the Wang loss is a killer. The Big 3 has no margin for error.
Add to it an awful offense, shaky defense, and a catcher who can’t throw, its pretty tough to see where the win streaks needed to compete this summer are coming from.
who is inhabiting Jeter’s body. Nobody can be that stupid, swinging at the first pitch almost every at bat. This team is hard to watch and I have been a fan them since Clete boyer, Rizzuto Richardson and skowron.
nevermind, I found it.
I present the AL league leaders in GIDP:
1st- 15 Lyle Overbay
2nd- 14 Vladimir Guerrero
3rd- 13 Jhony Peralta
4th- 12 Magglio Ordonez
4th- 12 Joe Mauer
4th- 12 Alex Rios
4th- 12 Derek Jeter
can we at least score a run off of Lester this inning?
No way that we resign Jeter in 3 years. That will be a PR nightmare. That’s the one thing you have to give Boston credit for, they let key players go when they perceive them to be on the downside of their career and take the PR hit. The one guy they made a mistake on was signing Schilling this year, but we pulled the wool over their eyes with his injury.
anyone blaming that SB on Posada obviously wasn’t watching the game. With the jump he had nobody could have thrown that runner out.
After tonights game – Jeter could end up in first.
News flash.
Last night I pointed out that the Yankees always come up empty the game after a huge blowout.
I’m not surprised we’re not scoring runs. I expected it.
I didn’t expect Andy to struggle.
Hey Stuart. Sometimes people get distracted. Some people get more distracted than others. Andy may not be distracted at all and maybe he’s just having an off night. My guess is he is at least a little distracted.
What I see tonight is exactly what I expected to see from the offense.
(If we don’t come back and I’m thinking there’s a good chance we won’t) tomorrow’s another day.
I have no problem with ARod chasing his personal records, because most of the time, he’ll be taking the team along for the ride. But right now, his play is more reminiscent of 2006 – he’s just not doing it as much as he should with RISP. And he swings and misses way too much.
Jeter. Man, he’s not 23 anymore. Someone has got to stand up to him and make him sit when he’s hurt. He cannot do it (play hurt) anymore.
That last run the Sox got – it’s not so much that they Sox COULD manufacture a run, but that Yankees COULDN’T.
I really don’t see a turn around this season. I just don’t see it. And it’s so much more on the ARods and the Jeters than it ever could be on the Melkys.
Let’s talk about extension for Derek.. it would be an insult to the king of NY not to give him a raise so I say at 36 give him like 4 yrs. at $20 mill a yr… Hopwfully he will not be insulted and all the stute Yanks will assume that is a shrewd move..
Lugo stinks but his #’s are not that much worse then Dereks this yr. and again he stinks. His OBP is actuallly higher…
WOW>>>
good inning for the yanks. only gave up one this time.
wonder how many of our guys will swing at the first pitch this inning.
About Jeter…last night in the 7th inning when that poor new Texas pitcher who had the Krusty the clown haircut was on the mound, he went through our entire lineup, everyone was hitting including Gardner who got on base twice I think and Jeter was the only guy who didn’t get a hit or a walk.
Pete, seriously, you work in the press you know how these things work. Kravitz and Madonna share the same publicist as A-Rod. Both of them have had bad years for publicity, and have new products coming out that they need to promote.
You must know this is just a publicity stunt.
yesterday offensive outburst was just a fluke
jesus CHRIST – take a F—–G PITCH!!
This is the most pathetic thing I’ve ever seen in my life. What was that, 3 pitches 2 outs? What a bad joke.
ARod swinging away at the first pitch. Nice job, chump. I really wish he had signed else where and was quite dismayed the Yankees re-signed this distraction.
i cant stomach to watch this game and team. It’s probably the first time that this core of Yankees, appear to have given up. Their play is so lacidasical (sp) and very frustrating to watch.
Of course you give Derek Jeter an extension. I mean…how do you NOT?
SJ’s right again on the pitching. Our top 3 has to be as close to automatic as can be.
All of you wishing for Matt Holiday, I’d love to know how he would have helped out tonight.
Then again…..it’s only the 4th inning (still?)
“i cant stomach to watch this game and team. It’s probably the first time that this core of Yankees, appear to have given up. Their play is so lacidasical (sp) and very frustrating to watch.”
and that’s something, coming from a guy who’s screen name is Ed Friggin Whitson…
How can the Yanks look so bad for a big game against the Red Sox?
At this rate Lester will be able to pitch a complete game
Nice of them to make Lester break out into a sweat…
This yankee team looks ready to roll over and die. Lester 8 pitch inning. I guess last nights 15 runs was a one night fluke. Team looks like garbage again.
Lester is going to go 9 innings and shut out this pathetic excuse for an offense.
12 pitches the last 2 innings. Not going to see the underbelly of the pen tonight.
This blog used to be a good place and enjoy the game with other Yankees fans but now it’s just a bitch zone for fans who give all others a bad name. You’re not fans. Thanks for ruining what used to be an interesting place to follow the game. Keep on with your bitching. That good for nothing Jeter…….pathetic losers.
Rasner vs Beckett should be a fun game.
alex in a hurry tonight?? have a date or something??
why could he not ground out in the 1st inning.
that is what Alex is all about, kinda like fans today, all about bling, 3′s, sizzle, not substance… He is a BRAND.. Whatever that crap means.. At some point after so many yrs. of big #’s and nothing else you have to say maybe he has sissues, does not get it, is a me first guy etc….
I am done tonight cannot watch any more..
8 pitch inning, it is actually getting worse this game.. clowns all we will talk about the next few yrs. are records and Arod call me an old fool I care about 1 thing wins… the great teams of Bernie, Jeter, and the gang led the league in no big categories(hr.s, avg, wins) but all they did is win and stomp on teams..
Those were the good old days, not this version of the Yucks..They are the Yucks not the Yanks, be truthful, they are the Yucks…
Clownish…. c’mon pete youre better than that
joe:
don’t get caught up in pitching matchups. anything can happen.
It does look like they’re just going through the motions. I can’t stand to watch them lose like this. I can handle losing hard fought games. But this…just rolling over and playing dead, giving away outs and it’s excruciating to watch.
Correct, that SB was definitely on Pettitte.
However, you have to admit, its not exactly a secret around baseball that Posada is compromised throwing the ball.
Its just another mountain for this team to climb.
Sometimes, you just have too many weaknesses to expect miracles to happen all the time.
Look at these guys. Everybody swinging at the first pitch and just looking for the game to end. Honestly, that’s pathetic.
Biggest issue I have with this team as presently constructed…..they have a glass jaw. Punch them once and they are done. This game was over after the error. They completely folded. Sorry but, that’s a very bad sign to me if I’m the GM.
Tells me its a team I have to dismantle and not fortify at the deadline if this keeps up.
Sometimes while you have good intentions, the mix of players simply don’t work. When I see this year’s Yankee team, that’s what I see.
“I am done tonight cannot watch any more..”
There is a God.
So how many are ready to concede that this Yankee team is just not good? Over half way through the season and they are not better now than they were the first week of the season.
87 wins is still a possibility but not 90+ which they will need to make the playoffs.
This is sad that they shot their offensive wad last night against a AAA pitcher and tonight, they look like Virginia Tech.
disgusting
oooooo….good play by abreu
Does Cashman think Pettitte ia our Ace.And Mussina is our #2.Who #3….Joba.
Cashman has to do something.This is BS.
How can you not make that play?
There is no easy fix for this team. the pitching has been wonderful considering the injuries.
All other aspects of the team are tired erratic and creaky.
They also have no fire.
Pitch around Manny
I think at this point if you are going to pay quitters to stand and not perform, then at least let them be quitters on the bench and give the hungry AAA players a shot. Granted the AAA players are not the answer but at least there will be more of an effort and they will be learning in the process.
The Yankees have officially made themselves a laughing stock of the AL East.
Oh damn.
Come on Andy
This is a team in transition. I said this before the season began, and I’m saying it again now. You shouldn’t be too surprised at what you are seeing.
Instead of worrying as to how we can keep the Brewers from trading their AA guys for Sabathia, how about wondering how many AA guys we can get from Milwaukee for Abreu and Damon.
Off to dinner, guys. No matter what, GO YANKS!
I just might have to come out of retirement. Might even bring back Steve Kemp and Jack Clark with me too.
Game Over knockout
Let me remind al of you why Wang is on the DL. HE COULD NOT BUNT. IF HE LAYS DOWN THE BUNT HE IS NOT ON BASE. HE LIKE EVERY OTHER OVERPAID CHUMP DOES NOT KNOW THE MOST BASIC PART OF THE GAME
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Well 6-0 is better than 8-0…
I know Jeter is terrible right now…but remember he was the heart and soul of 4 championship teams…….that was pretty special….I’m also clinging to the Yankees past as the present stinks!
Yeah, Wang is so overpaid. *eye roll* ….isn’t tonight’s game bad enough without wasting pixels typing garbage like that?
Top of the 5th and the bullpen is already warming.
Seriously, this is now all on Joe Girardi. I know he doesn’t pitch, hit, field, but it IS his job to motivate and figure out how to get this team performing. He has not done that. It is sad to say that Joe Torre had more fire than Girardi.
If I am Little Stein, I hold a severe arse ripping session over the all star break and make it clear to Girardi that it is either right this ship or you’re gone.
I fire Kevin Long because he has done nothing to help anyone other than K Rod, I mean Mr. HR when it doesn’t matter. Captain DP is killing us. Posada is lost. Cano, Cabrera, Abreu, well they are what they are.
SJ44 -
Fortify what? Not for this season, certainly. No one wants our aging, non-performing pieces, and you don’t want to give up the young promising arms. What’s Cashman really going to be able to do? What would dismantling do?
why are u blaming Wang?
Andy didn’t have it today and he got no help from the team either..
We never seem to have any middle ground vs the redsox. its either them winning 17-0 or us winning 17-0. i guess today goes to the sox
solid performance tonight from andy.
Well 6-0 is better than 8-0…
Give it time.
Yanks are going to lose this one 10-0 and will be swept by the Red Sox.
Team just cannot hit. There is no hustle, no fire, no excitement with this team.
Why is everyone giving up. Why not wait until we are swept by the Sox and Rays. Why should Cashman throw away what little talent we have in a trade for a CC, only to finish out of the playoffs anyway. Come the end of July when we’re ten or more games out, then see what interest there is in a Mussina or an Abreu without having to take back some other high priced salary.
Now people are blaming Wang?
Um..what?
If the sitution appears where there is a border line call Giardi should go out and argue he has nothing to lose 1 way it will fire up the crowd and you just see how the team will respond Cmon joe Get out there and argue
Girardi takes the hit from everyone, media and fans, as the front man, but boy wonder, Brian Cashman should get the brunt of this. He was the one who constructed this mess. Someone said earlier about trading Abreu and Damon, and I agree with that. Damon has more trade value being locked up for another year as Abreu is a FA after this year. But i would seriously consider moving them if something is viable on the trade market.
Mussina is a 5 and 10 player and would have to approve any trade, I doubt he would.
giese is damn good coming out of the pen.
WOW this is really a BAD team… too much GLAMOR players (a.k.a. Jeter, A-Rod, Giambi) We need real BASEBALL players…
Good job Giese. Still quite a way to go to come back from 6-0, but we really needed that out.
NO C.C. please… let us stick with what we have… that is the new trend now…
THey’ve got to fire someone, and the only logical one is Kevin Long. Because the problem is the hitting with RISP. Not that he is doing anything wrong but the players aren’t doing too much that’s right.
I was happy they hired Girardi. I don’t think he’s a horrible manager. However, I’m beginning to think they should have gone outside the organization (Girardi having been a former Yankee and a YES employee, is in the organization). Someone who has no history with the dynasty players, and therefore, no “memory” of what was.
We can still enjoy this season, if we drop the expectation of greatness and focus on rebuilding for the next championship. The Yankees may even make a wild card run.
Fortunately it will not be a long wait until they are back on top.
Agreed BUZZ, I think a Girardi sacrifice toss out would be a good idea in this game.
Oh and one more thing. After the Yankees win this series, all of the whiners here should be arrested for fraud because they’ll be trashing the Red Sox and praising the Yankees and pretend that they believed in the team the whole time. What a bunch of losers this blog draws. So many fraudulent “fans”.
We need to do…something…
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swing at first pitches wow this is the tampa bay rays of old
Yankees stand to be in 4th place by %age points if the night’s results hold up.
What a disgusting display, I want to vomit
we are being one hit. we never hit soft tossing lefties
Was just listening to Sterling and Waldman.
I was really surprised to hear her calling out Rodriguez for his crappy situatonal hitting. The Yankee pom poms came off for a minute there.
Jorge..sigh..
yanks look mighty patient at the plate tonight. I smell a complete game shutout in the works.
“Meanwhile some people at the Stadium booed Pettitte off the mound. It’s getting ugly.”
Idiots.
I guess I’m the only one here not thrown by tonight’s game.
Moose would approve a trade to the Phillies and they need pitching and have a better playoff shot than the Yankees.
Oh look, another one pitch out, this time by Posada. Unbelievable.
Doreen,
You put everybody you can out there and see what you can get back. At this point, you have think they know who they want back next year (from this team) and who they don’t.
Might as well try. Keeping this group together all year to finish in third or fourth place doesn’t seem logical to me.
I agree with Jorge, its definitely a transition year. Doesn’t mean though you have to wait to rebuild the team in November.
Might as well get a head start on it now.
on a better note how about cano he is hitting the ball hard and well.
Wow..another hit. Celebrate!
Yeah, let’s not trade for Sabathia. Because holding onto Horne, Kennedy, Hughes, and Cabrera worked out so well.
3 of the 4 got hurt, with Horne’s being an arm injury and Melky just sucks – who’d want him now.
Great idea it was to not sell high – now those guys can’t land us anyone in a trade.
“Instead of worrying as to how we can keep the Brewers from trading their AA guys for Sabathia, how about wondering how many AA guys we can get from Milwaukee for Abreu and Damon.”
The more I think about it, the more I would be in favor of dealing Abreu at the deadline. He’d be a very nice piece for a contender looking to shore up their lineup, and would probably bring back a great haul. If we go on a little run before the deadline and are still in a race, we can trade for Nady to replace him for the stretch run. He’s already a great candidate to take over in RF next year, but now that he looks like he may be dealt at the deadline, why not just make the move a bit sooner.
I think we should keep Damon, though. despite all the holes now I think the Yanks could be an extremely legit WS contender as soon as next year, if the right little moves (i.e. getting Nady) are made. So I wouldn’t go dumping our leadoff hitter just yet.
We need real BASEBALL players…
Could not agree more. that is why the Angels and A’s are always competetive.
If they do decide to let someone go as a sacraficial lamb, i would presume it would be Long. But the question is who do you replace him with and if you do, and go outside of the organization, what good is that person going to be in the immediate future as he would have to familiarize himeself with these players.
Lost:
Yankee offense
Last seen:
July-September 2007
Reward:
Hank Steinbrenner’s praise and admiration.
????? Wheres krod?
good job betemit… this team rules.
why did they send out the Staten Island Yankees to play against the red sox???
For those of you who advocate firing Kevin Long, do you then bring Mattingly back? I wouldn’t be opposed to that at all. I think he was a great hitting coach. But then it comes with all the nonsense that will be written of Girardi’s job being on the line, etc.
at least girardi was smart enough to remove pettitte before this game got away… oh wait…
It’s not our hitting, it’s their pitching. Except for Krusty and his Sideshow Bobs last night we face Cy Young every night.
honestly, did anyone really expect anything different there? Hate to say it but…
Not to take anything away from Lester, but our lineup’s not exactly giving him a hard time.
yay offense.
Yankee ‘to death’ -
Because Arod was treating the team to a personal concert by Madona at an undisclosed location.
Maybe we’re wating till the 7th…we did score 9 yesterday in that inning…
Amazing how quickly the worm turns. Last year Long was the golden boy. Did he forget how to teach hitting overnight? Maybe the hitters should shoulder some responsibility.
My money is on the Yankees taking the next three games.
Cashman just gave Long a huge vot of confidence in the press yesterday so I doubt he’s changed his mind in the last 24 hours.
why are you insulting the Staten Island Yankees? Thats uncalled for. SIY play hard for their 40k a year.
At what point in the season do we see if any of the other teams want any part of our guys that are in the last year of their contracts.
A few more games like this and I would explore the market and see which ones of our guys would be willing to waive their ntc.
Wow. Everyone is punting on the season, with a team that has been a notoriously slow starting group for years now. A bit reactionary. i’m frustrated, but I remeber being equally frustrated last season.
now lets have a 2hr rain delay just to cap things off.
Giese is very economical today
BBB- The only way Abreu brings us a nice haul, since he’ll still be owed 8 Million is if we eat a lot of his salary.
Now Moose wants to stay close to his home in PA so a trade to the Phillies might work. Giambi we are stuck with because he has a 5M buyout and nobody will take on the 11M+ 5M buyout that would still be owed to him.-UNLESS he goes to SF for Zito!!! lol.
By the time we reach the 7th inning – 9 runs may not be enough.
It was actually worst last year. We were, I believe, 9 out of the wild card at the all-star break. But yeah, it is frustrating.
bring back willie as hitting coach
Carmine – you’re not taking anything away from him if you call him an average pitcher. That’s what he is, and the fact that he has looked so much better than that is really just a brutal illustration of the offense’s ineptness this year.
J in AZ July 3rd, 2008 at 8:47 pm
It’s not our hitting, it’s their pitching. Except for Krusty and his Sideshow Bobs last night we face Cy Young every night
are you kidding? Scott Feldman and Kevin Millwood are Cy Young?
Maybe we will be like the Diamondbacks were today…score a whole bunch of runs in the 9th and win the game?
Let me have my happy thoughts..
The pitchers are not to blame here… It is very hard and frustrating for them to watch how the offense leave tons of base runners every inning… I think the first inning got to Pettite 2 on nobody out and yanks didn’t score… PACK everything this game is a gonner…
“I know Jeter is terrible right now…but remember he was the heart and soul of 4 championship teams…….that was pretty special….I’m also clinging to the Yankees past as the present stinks!”
That is debatable.
Though he did contribute, he got more credit than he deserved.
Bernie and Paul were the heart and soul of those great teams. One year it was Brossius.
SJ said
“Look at these guys. Everybody swinging at the first pitch and just looking for the game to end. Honestly, that’s pathetic.
Biggest issue I have with this team as presently constructed…..they have a glass jaw. Punch them once and they are done. This game was over after the error. They completely folded. Sorry but, that’s a very bad sign to me if I’m the GM.”
They’ve actually had a few comeback attempts, most too little too late, but I don’t buy the glass jaw argument. What’s more troubling is your first point SJ. This team doesn’t take pitches , grind out at bats or work counts anymore. Even if there are no tangible rewards feom that, it forces pitchers to work and causes the bullpens to be overused. I agree that this team needs all around baseball players who can work good at bats. Teixeira, I believe is one of those types of players, though the cost may be too much.
Oh I mean the next three starting tomorrow of course.
Moshe:
Last year – you knew the Yanks were on the verge of breaking out of the slump because at the least, they were grinding through their at bats. Even tho they were scoring few at the beginning, they were at least wearing down starting pitching every single game. This year, there is no grinding through at bats. They give them away like snowflakes in a blizzard. This is why I fear for this team this year. There’s no attempt to fight through every single at bat and pitch. They give up way too easily and swing way too often at too many bad pitches.
SJ44 -
I hear what you’re saying, but I really don’t know.
It’s okay that it’s a transition year, but they can’t just dump players. Unless, I guess, they’ve got an idea of what kinds of players they’d want in return for the few players they could conceivably trade. There are still salary and contract issues, no?
I actually have a good time reading this stuff. It’s like which “Yankee fan” can look like the biggest fraud at the end of the season. Who can be the most negative during losses and then when the Yankees catch fire and make the playoffs, they resume their cheerleading. But it’s going to be tough this year because there’s so many candidates here for biggest fraud.
And if the Yankees lose this series, will the pom pom crowd stop waving them for a moment and not trash people who don’t go along with the party line?
Folks who are being critical of the team aren’t “fraud fans”.
They are disgusted of what they are seeing not only tonight but for most of this season.
Why is that so hard to understand?
You think they have played well this year? Do you think their play hasn’t been disappointing?
I mean come on, they are hitting .240 w/RISP and Derek Jeter, among others, plays like he is 44 instead of 34.
Up and down the roster is filled with guys, multiple all stars, who have been brutal for most of the season.
You are getting on fans for being upset with that?
Cashman just gave Long a huge vot of confidence in the press yesterday so I doubt he’s changed his mind in the last 24 hours.
Don’t votes of confidence usually preceed your arse getting canned. VOC’s are not good.
i almost want to see Ellsbury get on, just to see him steal two bases at one time. By the time posada throws it to second, ellsbury might be standing on 3rd.
Can someone explain why this Yankee team does not grind out at bats and wear down pitchers the way they used to, not so long ago?
we still have alot of baseball left just be patient
help will be on the way
Well, Lester may be average now…good ERA, but just about average WHIP, but he’s also only 24. I think his ceiling is definitely higher than average. But, yes, a lot of tonight is on our lineup.
“In bad news from other cities, Trenton manager Tony Franklin now says that Jose Tabata has a “fairly severe†hamstring injury.”
Only real yankee fans would be this upset. We know that this team has the potential and are not tapping it
what’s the under/over on how many pitches lester throws this inning to get three out? 10???
Good job Giese!
Your mission Yankees-try and score 1 run
Giese should not pitch another inning even though he’s only thrown 12 pitches. Lester is going to win this game and we’ll need Giese tomorrow also.
The past years I thought the reason why Yankees were playing listless and without fire is because of Mr. Torre… I don’t see any difference right now… So it is not the manager but the players… More specifically the core players of this team…
They don’t look like they want to contend this year.
I would think that Cash and Company have already started thinking who they want on the roster next season. Certain players – Posada, Jeter, ARod – are booked. Cano may be a keeper, also, if they can’t get the appropriat haul for him. And it wouldn’t be so bad to have him in the fold.
But other decisions would be, Who do you want for DH? Giambi, Matsui, Damon, Abreu – at least two of those guys would go, I think; who do you keep and who goes? Who’s the most marketable? What can you get in return, and who do you REALISTICALLY look to acquire to fill those holes?
Same calculus for starting pitching. Do you keep Pettitte -today’s game notwithstanding? Wang and Joba are locks, but then who? Huges, IPK, Horne, McCutchen? If you don’t trust two rookie pitchers, then it’s time to go shopping again. CC? At what price?
I’m sure Cash is watching this game and thinking very similar thoughts. It beats going crazy about the outcome of this one.
At the 85 game mark last season, the Yanks were 42-43, 10.5 out of first and 9 out of the wildcard. Most of the same people suggesting giving up on the year now were saying that same thing last season. Of course, there are no guarantees. However, I really do not think it would be prudent for them to blow up this team at this point.
Lets start off with 1 run…
3 for Damon…
The only way Abreu brings us a nice haul, since he’ll still be owed 8 Million is if we eat a lot of his salary..
With the way he is hitting as well as Jeter, ARod, Posada, and the pitching of Pettitte, isn’t that was is being done right now; eating their salaries while getting nothing in return.
At least through a trade, some possible value can be determined and it is not like the entire salary is a waste, as it is right now.
SJ44, no worries, you have a lot of people in the same boat as you so it’s impossible to single you out.
Being disgusted with the team is fine. But when you advocate the dumping of players, rebuilding of team, etc, and then the team makes the playoffs and you’re back to “Let’s go Yankees!!”, that’s more or less a fraudulent fan. If you advocate rebuilding when the team looks awful, like tonight, but then when they are winning games everything’s all merry, come on, you don’t think that’s silly?
so. .here we go again.
pathetic..
this yankee team would make a great AAA team
if they dont got 3-1 this series.. ill say its over (ive been hanging on long enough giving them the benefit of the doubt)
SJ44 I’ve been disgusted with this team over the last week or so since it looks like they’ve been sleepwalking through games. I kept screaming about someone calling them out. Yesterday they broke out after they got a scolding from one of the owners. I think they have it in them but they’re lazy underachievers and pampered players. I don’t think Girardi lays into them the way he could.
Tonight’s loss is some thing I totally expected to happen so I’m okay with it. I also think they’ll turn things around tomorrow. I’m not upset with fans who have been upset with the Yankees playing this season. I do think though that anyone who didn’t see tonight coming is pretty shortsided.
Maybe everyone should wait to see what happens tomorrow and write tonight off as what it is. Typical Yankee loss after winning a huge blowout. You can set your watch by them doing it!
“Wow. Everyone is punting on the season, with a team that has been a notoriously slow starting group for years now.”
For the record, I still think there’s a good chance Yankees can make the playoffs. The pitching is there and the offense will catch fire at some point, too much talent for it not to. Just like the Tigers eventually started hitting. But barring a drastic turnaround, I don’t think they can win the WS this year, so I would just start making trades now with next season in mind. Why let the hope of a 1st round exit hold us back? Doing things like replacing Abreu with Nady are good moves, so they wouldn’t kill our postseason hopes anyway.
I don’t think Long is doing anything wrong necessarily. It’s just that it seems like there needs to be an impact move. It would be better if it were a positive one rather than a negative one, but something to put a little zing out there. Last year, signing Roger was that move. It was almost irrelevant what he did – he didn’t pitch as well as we’d have liked – but they DID SOMETHING. Right now there’s no indication that help is on the way. Even if they’re not one player away technically, sometimes just making that one move could serve a purpose.
4 for Jeter…7 so far.
everyone stuggles at the same time this is a disgrace
so doris was francis?
Not that you have to like it of course. But it shouldn’t surprise anyone is what I’m saying.
They go back to sleepwalking the next week then go back to whining.
“I don’t think Girardi lays into them the way he could.”
I agree, and that disappoints me. I’d thought that was something he would do as manager.
Vrsce-
We used to work the opposing teams starter’s pitch count until we got them out of the game by the 5th inning, facing weaker bullpens. That however was in 96 thru around 2000. We stopped playing a NL style of baseball long ago and the team is looking for the homer to bail them out.
I think whoever blames Wang is the way he says “I miss Wang”
Doreen,
I’m not suggesting salary dumps. I’m suggesting trades that bring back players who can be part of the future. Selling high as opposed to selling low on some guys.
They have players that contending teams will want for their stretch drives. Whether they do it or not is debatable.
I know its on the table. Cashman said as much the other day. Buster Olney even alluded to it (and he has a direct line to Cashman) today on ESPN.
He said, Cashman is “still evaluating which way to go depending on how they play in the next few weeks”.
Translation: whether to be buyers or sellers.
Forget about firing Kevin Long. Not only has Cashman given him a vote of confidence, so have Hal and Hank.
It ain’t the hitting coach folks. Its the players.
The more you read about what Hank, Hal and Cashman say publicly, and dig a little deeper into what they are really saying, you get the idea they don’t like this team very much.
Pete will probably know more about this since he is working the beat everyday.
But, the sense I get is they (Hank, Hal and Cash) are disgusted with some of the guys on the team.
Maybe I am reading something into it that isn’t there but, I get the feeling the Yankee brass can’t wait to break up this team.
ok. 13 pitches…wow are they really making Lester work. Maybe they feel sorry for him and its really a show of support for his comeback. Nice guys these yankees are…nice guys.
“Look at these guys. Everybody swinging at the first pitch and just looking for the game to end. Honestly, that’s pathetic.”
Initially they were taking pitches and falling behind in counts very quickly. I think they must have changed strategy mid-way thru the game. That is not working either.
Is it just me or does it seem like ARod is leading off 75% of his ABs?
wow..they can’t even score 1 run.
18 yesterday..none today so far..and I am not all that surprised.
the difference between this years mediocrity and last years, was at least last year, the offense was grinding out at bats. Fighting for every pitch.
This years team looks like they’ve already given up.
Moshe Mandel
There are a few differences from this year and last year. First, the Yankees were generally hitting better last year, and got a boost of pitching in the Second Half of the season. Clemens wasn’t great but he stabilized the rotation. Wang was healthy and Pettitte picked it up a notch. And Joba solidified the bullpen.
There also wasn’t quite the competition there is this year. Detroit was bad, Seattle was surprisingly challenging and there wasn’t any other serious competition for the wild card. This year, Tampa is really good, Boston, though flawed is a solid team, and Detroit is charging. This doesn’t mention other quality teams like the White Sox, a’d and Twins.
This year, coming back without Wang and with an offense that has been maddingly inconsistent will be difficult. I’m not giving up, but I’m not particularly optimistic this year, and it’s mostly because Wang is out for probably the rest of the year.
Cashman Sucks.Yeah it would be good to have a good farm system(we also ranked 5th best back in 2002 too) but how long do we have to wait for these future CArl Pavano’s.
Yes get younger.But at least get good free agents.Watch we are gonna pick up Giambi’s option give Pettitte and Mussina $10 million and they’ll all break down again next year.
It’s like the F%$king Twilight Zone every year with this team.
I’m with you Moshe. Things look real bad right now, but they looked real bad last season as well. They also didn’t lost Wang for 3 months last year. They’ve got Rasner and Ponson pitching every 5 days right now.
I can still see the offense taking off. Most of the lineup has greatly underperformed either overall or situationally.
test-2
complete game shutout and then tomorrow they put up 10 runs this is the NYY
BBB the offense will not catch fire any time soon unless they change their approach.
I know you watch every game so you are seeing the same lack of plate discipline and patients that helps you right lack of production. It is not happening. Instead they are swinging for the fences, the first pitch, bad pitches… basically they look lost during their AB and eventually look really bad fishing for pitches.
What is there not to be disgusted about? This team is anemic.
look at dan giese, he has been great, getting quick outs and is keeping the ball down
Oh god sunny615, please stop. Like you can honestly tell that at this time last year they were having good at bats in every game. Please, stop with the theatrics. And “This years team looks like they’ve already given up.” That’s just comical. What if they win tomorrow or come back in this game? Do they still look like they’ve given up? Did you say they have given up at this time last night?
Hey KC tied it up… Maybe the Yankees will hold onto 3rd place afterall.
Things starting to pick up
Hi Pete
Also, I wouldn’t mind eating some of Abreu’s salary if it meant we could get a good haul in return. Since he is signed only for the remainder of this season, it’s not like we would have to be paying a chunk of his salary for years ala Vazquez.
This Red Sox team is loaded. I thought when they gave up Hanley Ramirez and Anibel Sanchez [pitched a no-hitter] to the Marlins for Beckett and salary dump Lowell, that their farm team was depleted. But they have Lester, Bucholtz, Masterson and all of them can pitch.
Remember2,
Yanks don’t win on FOX.
10-7 KC… Balitmore taking a page from the Yankees on how to blow a 5 run lead.
YankeeJosh, and what’s easier to get? A boost of pitching, or consistent hitting from a lineup packed with all-stars who everyone knows are great hitters? Seems to be that the problems last year seemed much more un-fixable than a superb lineup having hitting problems.
If Kevin Long is beloved by the players, then they have a strange way of showing it by giving away all these at bats each and every night. I think if the players really do care about LOng, then they should get rid of him to shake things up. And bringing Mattingly back isn’t an option. Go get a guy like Don Baylor who will kick eack of these prima donna’s a$$’s in, especially a guy like Cano.
“Remember2,
Yanks don’t win on FOX.”
It’s Darrel Rasner vs Josh freaking Beckett.
I don’t think there needs to be any more reason.
Dan Giese-the only positive thing I am getting from this game
I did DFox, and it was against a rookie pitcher that had never pitched in the majors before that they exploded 9 runs on. So don’t tell me they all of a sudden sparked a huge load on. That was Washington’s crap ass mistake… not a Yankee whup ass. Get a grip dude. What about the previous two losses made you jump for joy and say this team is full of life and spark?
Well as a member of the pom pom wavers, let me say this is a very frustrating game. Strangely, last night was frustrating too, anticipating that they were scoring so many runs and would struggle for runs again tonight.
I’m not ready to throw in the towel, but if they did, there is not a lot of tradable parts on this roster if you ask me. I mean yes you can trade Cano and Cabrera, but that doesn’t help in getting younger. I guess you could try and trade Damon or backups like Betemit and Molina, but the core of the team is not going anywhere. It is more likely Cash will just stand pat like he did last year.
Darrel Rasner vs Josh freaking Beckett thats tomorrow not a fox game last time i check fox dont show games on friday
YankeeJosh, at this point last year, Detroit and Cleveland were both 17 games over .500. Detroit had a whopping 104 run differential. The competition was just as strong. Also, you cite the “stepping up” of the pitching in the second half last season. How do we know we wont see something similar from the offense this season? All of the hitters besides for damon are either hitting poorly, or hitting well but not with RISP, something that generally comes around for people hitting like A-Rod and Giambi are hitting.
Sj44-
What do you think the ‘deadline’ is for this team to turn it around? ASB or a couple of week after?
And you’re thinking they are looking to get back ML-ready prospects?
Although I continue to root for a turn-around and I believe there are a lot of talented players on this team, something is not right with this team. Whether it’s just a matter of the last few post-seasons taking their toll, messing with their heads (where did the offense go??) and the pressure of feeling that they should be winning just getting to them, I don’t know.
It will be very, very interesting to see how the season unfolds. Very differently from what we all expected.
I’ll never forget a post-season interview Cashman did after the Yankees lost to Detroit. He was personally devastated. That team and he himself personally had worked so hard to get to the post-season,and they seemed to be clicking on all cylinders. Murderers row and then Cano and all that. And it evaporated. I can’t imagine Cashman is happy with this team at all, but he’s been hamstrung to a great extent. This coming post season he will finally have some of the flexibility he’s been talking about. IF he stays.
someone has to do something
yet again! AROD SWINGS AT THE FIRST PITCH.
If they score this inning, we may still win.
Pitching stabilized.
The 7th Inning has arrived LEts SEE
Hank yelling at the team had zero to do with yesterday.
Ron Washington, putting a rookie in a one run game, had more to do with it.
Yelling at players does little good. Basically, its a band aid. Its not a solution. The Yankees are beyond the band aid stage.
Last year isn’t relevent. Allow me to say why for a moment:
1. No Wang.
2. Posada is hurt. Last year he had a career year. Big difference.
3. Jeter is really playing bad.
4. Tampa Bay is not the doormat they were last year.
5. At this time last year, the Yankees were hitting .288 w/RISP. This year, they are hitting .240.
Last year was a fluke. I think its pretty dangerous to believe that’s going to happen again, simply because it did last year.
Especially given the 5 variables I outlined.
DFox,
I’m a big picture guy. I want the team to be competitive for a long time. I don’t think this is a good team. I don’t think its a playoff team (especially with Wang out), and frankly, I don’t think this team deserves help.
They haven’t played well enough, or have shown they WANT to play well enough to trade younger players to give them a shot.
Look at tonight. Down 6 runs and still swinging at first pitches. A sign of team that has given up.
I’d rather they trade the older players to contending teams and get some players back who can possibly be part of the future.
Just my view. Not trying to sell it on anybody. I just feel that this team is just a bunch of guys and not a team.
They don’t grind like Championship Yankee teams and they are VERY soft. Not qualities you can win with, IMO.
Hi folks, just got in. Down 6-0 with a Hawkins Alert, not so good. I’m guessing the general consensus is that turnaround is fari play and we’ll get it right back against Beckett tomorrow?
Darrel Rasner vs Josh freaking Beckett thats tomorrow not a fox game last time i check fox dont show games on friday
aaaah it feels like friday, my bad.
A-rod gets up one more time in the 9th, yankees still down by 6 or more and hits one into the bleachers. just a guess.
While I don’t trust Girardi to do it I’d sure like to see Moeller catch Rassner.
Why should Cashman stand pat when he has so many players off the books next year-Abreu, Giambi, Mussina, Pettitte , Farnsworth, and Damon and Matsui in another year. The only way they get draft picks with these players is by offering arbitration when they declare FA, and if they do that with Giambi, he’ll probably get 16 or so million.
this team is a disgrace.
no suprise that they can only muster 2 hits against a team that lost what.. 5 in a row,
girardi may do well with the young kids, but a veteran team just doesnt seem to respond/respect him i guess
This team has no heart, no fire. Last night was a fluke, 18 runs and besides that, they had scored 4 runs in the last 3 games and 0 again tonight. They don’t grind out at bats, they don’t score, and besides tonight, their pitching has been really good. No team will EVER win if they don’t score, no matter how good their pitching.
This whole season is on our crap OFFENSE. Last year’s offense and we are in first place. This year’s, and 3rd place wouldn’t be so shocking of a finish.
Like it or not, another change from last year’s team is the manager. While the manager doesn’t play the game, he could be a difference with this team that the veteran players just aren’t on board with.
I’ve seen severely enough to call for Kevin Long’s firing, the majority of this lineup swings at pitch number 1, just a horrible approach to hitting.
This offense is garbage.
It is silly giving up on the team now.
Still there is a long seasson and even if they lose today, they will be behind in the wild card only 5 games.
I am still a beleiver that we will make the playoffs.
Sure it is depressing today, but if they win two of the remaining three in this series we will be OK.
SJ44- My sentiments exactly. The most exiting thing this year will be seeing who the Yankees can trade and what they get in return at the July trading deadline.
a great – Hawkins… guess girardi has given up on this game too…
The same nonsense as usual. No patience. No grinding of at bats. Double plays from Jeter and company in crippling spots. This offense is nowhere close to last year’s. Stop living in the past.
I’m so sick of hearing the same nonsense of “they did it last year, they’ll do it this year.” BS! BS ! This team is NOTHING close to the team they had last year. Last year they had 4 or 5 reliable starters, once Joba came up a good bullpen, and all year, a DOMINANT offense, with 960 runs scored.
This year, they have 3 starters, but none besides Joba can shut a team down. They have a good pen, but it doesn’t matter when you trail games. Their offense is average at best, they can’t score enough runs to win games even where they give up only 2 or 3 runs!
This team is nothing like last year’s team, and unless they suddenly wake up, they are barely more than .500, and nothing better.
Let me restate that this approach the offense has is garbage.
Hank yelling at the team had zero to do with yesterday.
You’re wrong.
Tomorrow is Mr. Steinbrenner’s birthday.
A win would be a nice present for him…
A win tonight would be nice-but we are gonna need a miracle 8th or 9th
Oh wait, Hawkins in? Never mind about today
how can everyone say the Yankees dont score runs, including tonights game, they are averaging 9 runs a game over their last two.
Whiff – everything in your indictment of how the offense looks right now is definitely true, but the season is still young enough that there’s time to change their approach. I am hoping that if they have a stretch of good performances (taking pitches, hitting with RISP etc) off of average pitchers, it will carry over to when they face good pitchers, and then slowly become a constant.
That’s only a hope though, and while I think it’s a fairly realistic one, it is anything but guaranteed. And even if they do wake up, maybe, with the increased competition in the AL this year, it’ll be too little, too late. That’s why I wouldn’t let the possibilities or the hopes interfere with making any trades we can to shore up what will probably be a very strong 2009 team. Realistically, a team can only fill so many holes in the offseason…so fill some now and we’ve got a better chance of taking care of all our needs in the winter.
Judging from SJ’s post about Olney’s ESPN report today, it seems like Cashman has the right idea. Let the team play out this critical stretch of the next few weeks, then decide where they’re at and how hard you’re gonna go at the deadline to refuel for next year.
SJ
“They have players that contending teams will want for their stretch drives.”
Name names.
I didn ‘t realize that since the Red Sox who have been in front of the Yankees the whole season, since they lost some games in a row that it was written in stone the Yankees would win this game.
Too funny.
I dont get why they weren’t working the count against Lester. If the Sox have one glaring and obvious weakness its their pen. *rant over*
“That was Washington’s crap ass mistake… not a Yankee whup ass.”
I really don’t follow this thinking. When the Yankees aren’t hitting, the offense sucks – not that the other pitcher is pitching decently. When the Yankees capitalize on a bad pitcher like people say over and over “thats what they’re supposed to do”, then its just the other team making a mistake or giving up. Which is it?
It’s time for the Yankees to realize that they can’t win anymore. It’s time to focus on the rebuilding and come back in next year or two. I’ll rather dump some veterans and call up some youngsters and have them play rest of the season.
Girardi is just like Torre, nothing new! I was expecting Girardi to be the opposite of Torre which he is NOT!
Come on people, do you expect that the Yankees are paying any attention to Hank. To be honest, I think they don’t give any bleep about getting in the playoffs or not. They’re always counting their pennies to make sure they get paid and a WIN is just a bonus for them. If they played for free they wouldn’t play this digusting brand of baseball.
This is just a suggestion so don’t kill me here but do you think it would be kind of smart to move Arod way down in the order just for tom….. he seems to have no fire and needs something to refocus him after this off-field bs thats going on…. maybe move him down to 8th like Torre did in the playoffs vs. Detroit and see what happens…. anybody with me at all…. I also think trading Abreu if we fall behind would be great…. Hes a FA and could for sure get some nice chips to a contender as he helped as in the same situation a few years back… but thats only if we really fall out of it
Okay, way behind on the back and forth on SJ being negative or belittling, and revenue sharing dropping as a result of the stadium costs. But I’ve gotta jump in anyway.
It’s 6-0 Sox, so the people I’m talking to are likely long gone with the Greek chorus of the season is over types taking over, but here goes.
The short attention span types can just page right by this.
First, all the talk on CC is speculation, from all sides. SJ’s point is it’s relatively unlikely Cleve and NY find the basis for a deal, and that the basis is gonna include something more painful than IPK, Melky and 2 other B pitching prospects. Because what Cleve needs is grade A relievers and a 3B. But that doesn’t mean a deal can’t happen. Just spend some time thinking about how a good deal would be constructed from both ends. And yes, he can be belittling at times, because he like others here get tired of people spouting.
JRVJ seems to feel he’sgot something on SJ re revenue sharing, the new stadium, and how this will help the Yankees. The simple fact is if the Yankees don’t feel this expensive new Stadium won’t be a good deal forthem, they wouldn’t be building it. But the revenue sahring math works like this. Stadium costs (Hal said $50MM/yr.?) get subtracted from operating revenues and thus reduce the revenue that is used to calculate the RS pool. If the new Stadium results in increased revenue, that increases the money into the pool. Salaries decrease the money in the pool. The Yankees paid something more than $50MM net into the pool. The pool is 1/3 of all team operating revenues after expenses, divided evenly across all 30 teams. The pay in or pay out is basically the difference between your 1/3 in your 1/30th out.
So if the Yanks maintained their payroll at $200 million (unlikely), and subtracted $50MM from their local revenue for new Stadium expenses (their 1/3 was over $XX MM over the average for each team this year – their payin – so their total operating revenue surplus was 3 X $XX million, with XX equaling their net contribution), they’d still be contributing 1/3 of the remaining surplus. In effect, revenue sharing payment reductions only cover 1/3 of the stadium expenses, and 1/3 of incremental revenues from the new Stadium would go right back out. So if the Yanks acheive revenue growth of $50 MM from the new Stadium, they’re right back where they started, and revenue sharing payments are unchanged, assuming all other things remain equal. They likely think that long term things will tip in their favor in this equation. Short term the revenue sharing reduction is a minimal result.
“While the manager doesn’t play the game, he could be a difference with this team that the veteran players just aren’t on board with.”
You are right, Jeter would have hit less GIDPs and Pettitte would have pitched better today. When are we going ot make these incompetant players accountable?
You people with this blind optimism, it’s amazing. “Oh, we’ll make it eventually, oh, it’ll be alright if we win a few of the next games…” WAKE UP AND FACE REALITY.
This was our chance to get back in the races, and guess what. WE HAVE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY BLOWN IT. COMPLETELY BLOWN IT.
9 game homestand, with 3 against mediocre texas while Tb and Boston play, 4 against Boston, and 2 against TB. This was our big chance. Guess what we did? We lost 2/3 to Texas, and almost got swept if not for Washington’s stupid pitching change, and we’re losing the first to Boston.
Guess what, 2 of the next 3 is NOT good enough. They have dug themselves a hole by blowing chances and a split with Boston and this point is a total waste, because they should have not only been much closer if they beat Texas, but what is the point in playing the team ahead of you if you can’t even gain any ground on them!
The team that wants us to win 2/3 is BOSTON. They don’t lose any ground if we split. It’s time for this team to make a statement or they might be VERY close to being out of it.
Doreen,
I think raymagentic set out a reasonable timeframe yesterday that probably mirrors the Yankees thinking.
On or around the 24th of July (a week before the deadline) if the team is 6+ games out of a playoff spot, I think the Yankees are either sellers or just do enough to get through the season.
If they are within 2-3 games of a playoff spot at that time, they may try to make a bigger move.
They are at home just about this entire month. If they can’t make up ground now, its not happening.
Starting out 1-3 (after tonight) is not the way to start out if you are interested in making the playoffs.
What you said is correct, something is not right about this team. They wear pinstripes but they ain’t the Yankees, if you know what I mean.
Hey Pete-
Nice jab at Arod, I sincerely hope that was tongue in cheek. Why dont you show some guts and rip Jeter for once when he deserves it? Pathetic.
how can everyone say the Yankees dont score runs, including tonights game, they are averaging 9 runs a game over their last two.
This some joke we scored those runs yesterday vs a garbage A Ball pitcher, that’s the only thing that changed, this offense is near putrid.
I hope Arod does hit a meaningless solo shot. I’d be happy not to get shut out…
Yeah I mean I hope they win tomorrow because I mean last year on July 4th everything was spiffy and they won that game… Oh wait no, I almost forgot about the ’07 July 4th massacre that dropped the Yankees to 40-42 and 11.5 GB.
Man Posada is a desperate hitter.No Posada you have to hit the ball harder for it to be a homerun.
Having marital problems is “clownlike” antics?
I’d boo Pettitte too. Walking Varitek when he’s hitting 200?
Fire Cashman and Girardi.
You know what might be the best stimulant for this team? Trading one of the regulars.
Abreu, Damon, Cano, Melky…Trade them for an appropriate package, and send a message to who’s left that they shouldn’t get too comfortable in NY. That might make a bigger impression than anything Hank, or Joe for that matter, can say.
I think we’ll know by the end of this month if this team can come back, but you still can trade in August, when just about all of their high priced players will pass through waivers unclaimed.
“Girardi is just like Torre, nothing new! I was expecting Girardi to be the opposite of Torre which he is NOT!”
Are you kidding me? Torre wouldn’t have been dumb enough to pull that garbage in sunday game against the Mets. Melky probably wouldn’t even of been up because he was hitting .200 the past month in that game against texas. Girardi likes to play players through slumps and rest them when they heat up.. the exact opposite of what Torre did.
Matt we need to win three of four.
How’s the wife Doris?
In yesterdays case, it was Washington’s mistake to put a rookie pitcher who had never thrown a pitch in the majors in a position to hold a 1 run lead. And other manager in the majors would have used another arm. Yes, the Yankees capitalized on that mistake, but it was as bad a mistake as a manager can make in that situation.
And for the record, the Yankees haven’t capitalized on bad pitchers for most of the season (Chacon, Oliver Perez, Scott Feldman, Millwood,… and on and on.) As many people have said, this years Yanks have a tendency to make bad pitchers look like Cy Young candidates.
Friend of mine just sent me a pix of Rocco Ritchie wearing Yankees gear, and apparently it is the 2nd or 3rd time in the past week.
Based on this I’m very confident this whole Arod thing is a classic Queen Madge publicity stunt. The woman is a marketing genius, and nothing you see is accidental. She is not where she is because of her singing talent.
SJ44…”They wear pinstripes but they ain’t the Yankees, if you know what I mean.”….Perfectly stated!!!
here is why this offense, overall, is not good. they can average 5 runs per game over the last 5 which doesn’t appear bad until you look at each game and realize they put an 18 spot in one of those games.
you also look at last week when they dropped 9 off on the Mets but squeaked out little thereafter.
their average runs per game is only as high as it is because every 5th or 6th game everyone starts to hit. this is deceptive.
it is more than halfway through the year and still no real progress. you know they aren’t going to hit Beckett, they always…always struggle against the good pitchers and have a knack for making the high era pitchers look good as well.
when does kevin long begin to be held accountable? and girardi…i was glad to get him (though i am a huge mattingly fan) but i’m having a hard time seeing anything helpful he has done.
But you guys don’t get it. All you do is talk about LAST YEAR’S TEAM but last year’s team was BETTER than this team. They were scoring runs. Their pitching rotation was top to bottom solid. Their bullpen was good enough.
This year’s team has a mediocre offense, a good pen, and a slightly above average, but only 3 deep rotation. Last year, they came back because they got a quality start EVERY GAME with SCORING in every game. This year’s team cannot score, and does not have enough depth in the rotation to consistently get quality starts.
They barely made Lester throw 85 pitches in 7 innings. That’s terrible, regardless of whether the guy is pitching a gem or not. They’ve had worked counts, but guys are hacking away!
This team IS good enough to win, but if they don’t turn it around soon, they are NOT good enough to come back from a huge deficit in the races.
Oh and lets not lets Captain DP get off so easy, see it’s easy to rip Arod, Jason, or Bet or Melky… Derek Jeter has had one of the worst approachs to swinging a bat that I have ever witnessed in my life, it’s to the point I flick to another channel when he comes up w/ a runner on 1B because the GIDP is coming.
The 1st inning this guy couldn’t throw the ball to 1B, breaks Andy’s rythmn yet the golden child never gets ripped. Sissy swinging, infield error making and DP waiting to happen Jetes. Thanks alot Captain TurnTwo !
Think I’ll go and catch some fireworks. Definitely nothing but duds in NY tonight.
Ha ha.
I agree Dfox. It’s just the way it is, though. Performance=effort. If you do poorly, it must be due to lack of effort.
When Cano and Abreu took off last year did they wake up one day and say, I feel like trying now? Does ARod suck in the playoffs because he doesn’t try or care? If anything he cares too much.
It’s the same with the supposed grinding out of at bats. The same complaints are always here whenever they’re behind and anyone dares swing at a first pitch. Never worse than the Tiger series. Because it had nothing to do with how Rogers and Bonderman pitched. No, they should have spent 9 innings taking strike 1.
Lester is a good pitcher. Maybe it has a little to do with him.
BBFan, isn’t it the job of the MANAGER to light a fire under his team? It sure isn’t the fan’s role.
Leaders are supposed to lead. Girardi seems to wave the white flag.
Eugie…. I remember a game vs. the Mets at Shea a few years back when Torre brought out the same pathetic C+ lineup… he just got lucky and rallied against Wagner after being down 4-0 against Pedro and after Melky worked like a 15 pitch walk
Then explain me why Torre played Melky in the late summer when he was cooling off. He could have put him on the bench and let Damon, Matsui, Abreu play!
I think Girardi idolizes Torre.
“You people with this blind optimism, it’s amazing. “Oh, we’ll make it eventually, oh, it’ll be alright if we win a few of the next games…†WAKE UP AND FACE REALITY.”
No less amazing than people with the nerve belittle those who prefer to not go into hysterics and write paragraph after paragraph of incoherent nonsense.
(Disclaimer – The above paragraph and use of the word belitle is not taking a shot at SJ. I just thought I’d use the word belittle in an accurate context around here for a change)
I’m surprised he isn’t hearing boos swinging at a .270 w/e clip.
Now pitching LaTroy Hawkins. There’s a fight at the bat rack.
“You people with this blind optimism, it’s amazing. “Oh, we’ll make it eventually, oh, it’ll be alright if we win a few of the next games…†WAKE UP AND FACE REALITY.
This was our chance to get back in the races, and guess what. WE HAVE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY BLOWN IT. COMPLETELY BLOWN IT.
9 game homestand, with 3 against mediocre texas while Tb and Boston play, 4 against Boston, and 2 against TB. This was our big chance. Guess what we did? We lost 2/3 to Texas, and almost got swept if not for Washington’s stupid pitching change, and we’re losing the first to Boston.
Guess what, 2 of the next 3 is NOT good enough. They have dug themselves a hole by blowing chances and a split with Boston and this point is a total waste, because they should have not only been much closer if they beat Texas, but what is the point in playing the team ahead of you if you can’t even gain any ground on them!
The team that wants us to win 2/3 is BOSTON. They don’t lose any ground if we split. It’s time for this team to make a statement or they might be VERY close to being out of it.”
If you are so down and so sure that Yanks do not make it to the playoff (you have every right to think so), why don’t you just give up and not post, instead of belittling the people who still believe.
I love it how (alleged) maritial problems are considered “clownlike” antics. Not only is that insulting, but it’s amazingly stupid. Keep giving Jeter that free pass tho’ and save the virtriol for melky.
“All you do is talk about LAST YEAR’S TEAM but last year’s team was BETTER than this team. They were scoring runs. Their pitching rotation was top to bottom solid. Their bullpen was good enough.”
The only thing better about last year’s team was its offense. This year’s pitching is much better. Yet, the offensive makeup of this year’s team is essentially identical to last year’s. Which would seem to point to them figuring things out soon. Law of the averages and such.
Joe from Long Island
“You know what might be the best stimulant for this team? Trading one of the regulars.”
I thought you were going to go down a whole different path with that opening line….
“She is not where she is because of her singing talent.”
Amen to that.
“She is not where she is because of her singing talent.”
Amen to that.
I would like to see them use Moeller as a catcher more often. If you’re going to keep him on the roster, may as well use him enough to justify it.
“Eugie…. I remember a game vs. the Mets at Shea a few years back when Torre brought out the same pathetic C+ lineup… he just got lucky and rallied against Wagner after being down 4-0 against Pedro and after Melky worked like a 15 pitch walk”
No sorry. He never rested 3 of his big bats in one game in favor of matchups unless it had to do with injury.
tell me again why hawkins is STILL on this team??
“How’s the wife Doris?”
Classic S.A.
Uh, yes he did Eugie. They did it in 2005 in the rubber match of a 3 game set against Boston at home and got crushed, playing 3 or 4 bench players in the same game.
Atleast Captain DP didn’t bounce that one too, that’s the only good I can say from that inning.
I can’t watch this anymore. This team is just pathetic. Really pathetic. We gave our tickets away for tonight because we had company coming in and I’m glad I’m not sitting there.
I don’t know how it all has gone wrong, but it’s wrong. It’s very wrong.
Blow this team up. It’s time. I haven’t seen a worse collection of overpaid vets since the 80′s here. This team has NO HEART.
None. They give up a few runs and they play like they can’t wait for the game to be over.
It’s a disgrace. Jeter’s a shell of himself. The gloves are off with him now. He isn’t even 1/2 the player he used to be. He’s awful.
For the all the venom I gave Cano this season, Jeter deserves just as much. He has done NOTHING to help this team this year. NOTHING. His game is pathetic right now.
This is the end folks. This team, as presently constituted, is done. D-O-N-E Done.
If Cashman has any regard for the fans, it’s time to start dumping veterans.
Here’s the plan. Trade Abreu. Trade Damon if you can. Trade Betemit. Break up Melky/Cano and keep just one of them. Tell Posada to go get surgery and end his season. Trade Mussina. Trade Farnsworth and Hawkins.
That’s just to start.
I feel for Girardi because I think his club is such a bunch of big headed large contract has beens there is nothing he can do to get them going.
They had respect for Torre because his celebrity was as big as theirs.
They have none for Girardi.
Blow this team up and start looking for players. Gamers. Guys who get their uniform dirty. Guys who have loyalty to the club and want to win championships.
These guys don’t want to win championships anymore. They’re playing like 4th place team.
It’s a disgrace.
Those who refer to last years team need to remember that Arod was having an MVP season and Posada was playing for a contract. Plus Clemens was spiking the red bull.
How should waking up and facing reality manifest itself in a practical way? Stop watching the games? Watch but don’t hope they win? Stop posting on LoHud? Post angrier?
Why are we still carrying Hawkins? He has been completely a waste at this point. With Dan Giese as long reliever, hawkins is just a mop up guy. It’s time to cut your losses and try to trade him, or just release him and bring up someone who can actually get outs.
So let’s think of this logic… just because he makes a few million we’ll carry him for his “veteran” presence as a short reliever who has a 6.00 ERA in 30 IP and can’t get outs except down 15 runs? They sent Ross back down to get him straightened out, why not just release Hawkins and get someone who can get outs up here?
now latroy’s total incompetence will alow haters to take there wrath away from the zillionaire and on Latroy.
The zillionaires are the problem, not terrible hawkins…
it is arod, derek, abreu, giambi, etc… how unlikable is this team?/No tough AB’s, no comebacks, no excitement..
the beat up on a rookie in his 1st outing last night in the 7th inning that is it…
they have had 8 pitch innings tonight, this is in front of 50,000 fans and playing the red sux, on 4th of july weekend.. arod and derek are worried about what table they will get at Nobu tonight… Jeter has a lifetime pass from his groupies, he has played terrible this yr… Look at his #’, if you want to cry look at arod and giambi’s #’s in the clutch…
she is sitting right next to me actually…
“Leaders are supposed to lead. Girardi seems to wave the white flag.”
I wish Girardi really rips into Jeter and benches him for a couple of days. But the stupid media will kill Girardi for that.
Speaking of paragraph after paragraph…
Tomorrow is an automatic loss. You have the win the Saturday, Sunday games.
Man cano is really heating up now
Larry, good points. And some people even attribute swinging at the first pitch to “no effort”. What a joke, like they can determine players efforts by what pitch they swing at.
BBB, I couldn’t agree more. It’s only a matter of time until this lineup starts playing up to their career stats. It’s hard to contemplate how so many people here believe that the Yankee’s all of a sudden forgot how to hit.
Bet takes a cue from Jetes there, just a pathetic AB
can this team hit into any more double plays?
“How should waking up and facing reality manifest itself in a practical way? Stop watching the games? Watch but don’t hope they win? Stop posting on LoHud? Post angrier?”
Stop that.
Well, at least stop it until I don’t have soda in my mouth.
wow that was a bad dp there, stopped a rally
I wish Girardi really rips into Jeter and benches him for a couple of days. But the stupid media will kill Girardi for that.
He’d show some cojones if he were to do that
Dammit. My belief that there is a God, is shortlived.
Can this team still make a run? Yes. Will it? We’ll see.
I was more optimistic last year about the wild card because the team was running out Wang, Pettitte and Clemens in the rotation, and that was a solid 1-3. This year with Wang out, it’s Pettitte, Joba and hope for the best from Mussina and the rest.
I do think the offense will come around, but I’m not sure if it will be enough. I’ll grant you that my discouragement about this team has a lot to do with the loss of Wang.
Also, even though this team has made the playoffs for years now, and may still this year, I do think the offense needs a makeover. The approach has gotten worse by most of the hitters. Getting players who can work at bats, foul off good pitches (a skill) and look for hits instead of homers, can only help the team win those big playoff-type games.
Here’s the irony…..Melky, whom everybody wants gone, is the only guy who showed up to play tonight.
The 8 figure veteran players? A total mail in performance.
Melky and Cano with all 4 Yankee hits.
See, this is UNACCEPTABLE. This team has nothing. Cano singles and a first pitch DP. They have made Lester throw 5-8 pitches in half the innings!
This offense is a shell of itself. A-Rod, Jeter, and Posada are not having career years anymore. Despite that, Damon, Matsui, and Giambi are, and they STILL can’t score runs. This team, if it is as pathetic as it is now at this point in the season, is most likely done if they don’t come back and win 4 out of the next 5 or some stretch like that, they’ll just be buried to far in the races under teams that play with fire and are not slowing down for a while.
Also, of all the roster moves/trades that have been suggested here, only one of them is warranted. Hawkins needs to go. I think every single person on the face of this planet can agree with that one. What is he doing on this team? The bullpen has been SO solid, everyone except him. If one move is going to be made, that should be it. Call up a semi-representable pitcher instead of Hawkins, because Hawkins is just a joke.
wilson betemit is the worst player on any roster in all of MLB
Doris-Was she one of Jeter’s past lady friends?
Can we please score at least 1 run?
someone needs to give kevin long a swift kick in the nuts… where are all the kevin long defenders? any team can explode for 18 runs but it takes real skill to let the opposing pitcher pitch a complete game with under 100 pitches
Just a guess, but I’m wondering if Melky actually stayed home last night and thought about losing his job, rather than go out partying and acting like a hound with his good friend, Cano.
wilson betemit is the worst player on any roster in all of MLB
And still he’s hitting better than Captain DP, what does that say ?
The window is closing on 2008…it’s not closed yet, but one feels like the Yankees must win 4 of the next 5 games.
“At the 85 game mark last season, the Yanks were 42-43, 10.5 out of first and 9 out of the wildcard. Most of the same people suggesting giving up on the year now were saying that same thing last season. Of course, there are no guarantees. However, I really do not think it would be prudent for them to blow up this team at this point.”
Yeah, and last year ended up well, with an embarassing loss in the first round. And the year before that, and the year before that…until this team gets some good starting pitching, hitters who work the count, and some players who play fundamental ball forget it. This is on Cashman.
no, but she did share a table with him once at Moomba about 7 years ago. remember that place? so funny how everyone thinks he’s an angel
I am smiling waiting for the post game show. what BS are they going to feed us???
How about this Girardi, you know the big boys suck and if they do not pick it up we are going no where….
Derek has played terrible, same of basically everyone in the offense except damon and giambi has done fairly well but not in the clutch..
we need to play tougher Kim, take some pitches, give the steiiny’s ther $$$$’s worth etc..
They will go around with standard drivel, never calling Derek what he is BAD…..
this team is like 2 games above 500 for the year…….
FOr you delinquents that is atrocious…they draw 4 mill and are 2 games above 500 at home….
if you offer arbitration to abreu(if he is even elgible) you are insane……..giambi adios, abreu adios no matter what this team does the rest of the year they ned to finish the purge of the zillionaires..
too bad we only have the king of bling and the ko=ing of softness arod for another 9 yrs.. But hey we will see HIM BREAK MANY INDIVIDUAL RECORDS.. Team like the SF Giants like those individual records because they never win, maybe that is the true curse of arod.. He can me the king of me in the me generation that is it………..
Girardi has also become a useless figure head.
Despite Melky’s 2 hits tonight, he earned the bench. He has been terrible, and his performances have contributed greatly to every loss we’ve had lately besides tonight.
Jeter has been awful. He has hit into a double play almost every time we have a runner on 1st and less than 2 outs, and he has killed us in huge spots where we could have taken leads with just a fly ball by hitting a grounder to short.
These two guys should be on the bench, but they’re not. Girardi has not shown any fire since the one game against Baltimore a month and a half ago.
He never argues calls. He has blind faith in guys like Ohlendorf. He rests his players sooooo much in games that you should NEVER sit key players like against rival teams. He’s either too scared to make a mistake being creative, or he’s just overrated.
That non bunt a few nights ago was a move that should have had him immediately fired it was so stupid and clueless. You can’t just fire a first year guy for that, but he deserved it after not bunting. He’s made a ton of questionable moves, and besides managing the pen well, he’s done nothing that is better than Torre.
Tomorrow is Game 87. ‘Ya think the time has come to start hitting.
Its the problem with only looking at the game from a statistical standpoint.
To say, “Its only a matter of time before they start hitting” is crazy.
Over 50% of the season is in the books and they haven’t hit yet. Tells me, without personnel changes, it ain’t happenin’ now.
Time is running out for this team. Three games over .500 and fading, is not getting them to the playoffs.
Its wonderful to be optimistic and think they will hit.
Me? When they get better hitters in here, guys who are less swing for the fences and more line drive/contact hitters, with better balance throughout the lineup, then they will hit.
Until then, the Dead Bat Society will continue with its season long futility.
That about sums up my feelings, YankeeJosh.
I think they still can make the playoffs, but they’re certainly not making things easy on themselves. However, sometimes I think that missing the playoffs this year might be the best thing for some fans who have just gotten way too used to it, and maybe good for the players too.
Do Jeter and Arod really have to worry about what table they’ll get at Nobu? I think they’d have that dialed in pretty well by now.
Maybe they’re worried too much about Momofuku?
Matt- I dont usually agree with you but your last post was spot on
Why waste Robertson here?
“Uh, yes he did Eugie. They did it in 2005 in the rubber match of a 3 game set against Boston at home and got crushed, playing 3 or 4 bench players in the same game.”
Can’t find it:
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/box/2005/NYA.shtml
Unless you’re talking about the 17-1 game but the bats were there in the beginning.
DFox, thanks. Perfect example, Betemit’s last AB. That’s a pretty good pitch to hit, is he just supposed to take it for taking it’s sake? That might be the best pitch to hit he’ll see that AB. But all anyone cares about is results. He didn’t hit it well, so it’s a crappy AB. Batter miss pitcher mistakes. It happens multiple times a game.
Derek Jeter has made a career out of huge late inning hits off of first pitches. But don’t let him make an out on a first pitch in that situation. Then it’s a crappy AB.
The only thing better about last year’s team was its offense. This year’s pitching is much better. Yet, the offensive makeup of this year’s team is essentially identical to last year’s. Which would seem to point to them figuring things out soon. Law of the averages and such.
BBB, I’d agree about the bullpen being better this year, but the starters aren’t, at least as of now. Wang, Pettitte, Clemens, Mussina, and later Hughes were better than Pettitte, Joba, Mussina, Rasner/Ponson/Giese. Even if the numbers don’t show it yet, that disparity in the rotation is why I’m not as optimistic about this team. Last year you could see the path to get to the playoffs. It was tough, but clear. This year, for me, it’s hard to see it.
Sj they will blame it on the $460 k kids not on the matinee idols..
the trio of pretty boy softies; derek, arod, abreu ,adn on.. I never thought derek would go soft but it has happened…
i think the yanks are using robertson to keep him from going cold (a la Edwar in 2007)
Wang that would make as much sense as anything. How many times do you see a manager sit a player down for a few games and the player comes back and starts to hit. Some part of this game is definitely mental, more mental for some players (say Mussina) than others (say Wells).
Ok I’m heading out now so my evening is not a total loss. And also so I don’t have to get even angrier hearing another one of Girardi’s postgames about how they can’t keep playing like this and they have to start hitting with RISP (you don’t say, Joe).
The good news is I got tickets for tomorrow’s game. Seeing that our team seems to have violent bipolar mood swings, I should be treated to a great lopsided win tomorrow
Night all. Happy 4th of July!
Really Matt?
Could be a bit unfair, Torre’s first season in 1996
Ahh who should I have close tonight Wetteland or Mo?
The bench-Darryl Strawberry, Cecil Fielder, Tim Raines, Jorge Posada, Rueben Sierra, Louie Sojo. It was also a dilemma picking the DH.
Why waste Robertson here?
9 1 2 hitter, so he stays in rythmn, builds up his confidence. I feel sorry for the BP they get the gist of the criticism when guys like Damon, Alex, Bobby and especiall TurnTwo is my middle name Jeter are failing to represent anything for this offense.
This team with THESE players has no run in it. There’s no chance it’s going to happen.
If Cashman can trade some of these guys and get some hungrier players back who can get on base, we have a chance.
But this team with these players are done. They don’t have it in them.
It’s July. We have a rotation with Rasner and Ponson in it.
Our veteran hitters are all waiting for each other to wake up.
It’s over unless there are changes made to this team now.
This is a team that could get themselves better with some addition by subtraction.
We need to subtract from this team because this collection of “players” does not mix.
You want to know what pissed me off last night when they won? Gardner got his first hit and he got the Kim Jones interview on the field at the end of the game.
I hung around to see who was going to give him the rookie hazing “shaving cream pie in the face” while he was on camera since that is a rookie tradition in baseball.
No one on the team did it to him.
There’s no chemistry or camaraderie here anymore.
They’re not playing for each other and the fans. They are playing for their checks.
Maybe this is the deal with the devil we make by embracing Arod here. Who knows.
All I know is this team blows. They should be back under .500 shortly.
The “Dead Bat Society”-lol
That really is what we have here…
Man, the Yanks are really letting Madonna down
Nick,
Even Jeter and Arod have trouble getting into Momofuku. That’s a tough res! lol
After this season, they probably won’t even be able to get the private number!
They can win tomorrow’s game. At least Jorge won’t be catching. That’s a good thing.
I’m praying for Moeller. Just a little experiment.
Sometimes I think the players almost subconciously think that the playoffs are their birthright as Yankees. Its not, especially with the increased competition within their own division – they have to want it and work for it. Its not a given, increasingly so.
You never build your team around just one player but how much has it hurt not to have Matsui’s bat in the lineup!
No they don’t have a rally Kay.
This is the same Boston team that lost 5 of the last 6 coming into tonight, yet us, the team with the “turn around” last night, gets beaten on and taken out of the game early by a team that’s reeling!
This team is weak mentally. Boston fought till the last out in every game and lost most of those 5 by only one run. We can’t even win 2-1 games at home!
And here we go again, it’s “rock bottom” again. You are not going to make it anywhere if you have a rock bottom game every 2 weeks! (Or this week we’ve already had 2 or 3 of them!)
Nice job David!
Happy with Robertson and Giese today….and that’s pretty much it..
Here’s a big suprise.
“A new brief filed in court by Brian McNamee says that paraphernalia submitted to federal agents by the former trainer will test positive for Roger Clemens’ DNA, ESPN.com reported on Thursday.”
Anyone know where the Yankees ranked in runs scored after this many games last year? i’ve heard Buster o give the stat several times. 540? runs after the all star break. And the all star break is after 86 games, not 81.
That means it was a little over 400 in 86 games?
Let’s face it, though, all things being equal their overall runs scored should be down. They are in baseball, period. But no way they should be in the middle of the pack.
Just wondering where they ranked this year at this time.
yeah they atink because of Betemit, girardi not arguing, and girardis terrible decison making by having robertson pitch in the 9th inning just now….
and the reason the knicks suck is because nate robinson cannot shoot fre throws!!!!!!Stupid huh, just like those tidbit moron statements..
a 2 hit CG in the boogie down will go down well in Yankeeland… as someone posted earlier arod is due for a long jack in the 9th…..
“Over 50% of the season is in the books and they haven’t hit yet. Tells me, without personnel changes, it ain’t happenin’ now.”
SJ44, we’re watching living proof tonight that makes that comment seem so outlandish and comical that I’m laughing. Do we not remember what Robinson Cano did earlier this season? Did they replace Robinson Cano with a “personnel change”? No, HE STARTED TO HIT. He is an UNBELIEVABLE hitter. It was only a matter of TIME.
Now, who do you think needs to be “changed” on this roster? Johnny Damon? OK fine, let’s replace him, just find me all the available left fielders, or for arguments sake, even the ones not available that are batting .317. Should they replace Jeter? 2005: .309, 2006: .344, 2007: .322, 2008: .277. Don’t think so buddy, you’re not going to sell me on that one. Abreu maybe? Again, find all the available RF’s batting .282. That’s pretty much what he batted last year, is that all of a sudden not going to cut it? And then you have A-Rod, Posada, who we all know can hit. Where are the lineup changes that we need? CF? OK, you have one weak spot in the lineup. They should be able to live with that.
I actually went to Momofuku when it first opened with a buddy who is a publicist… its outstanding.
“You want to know what pissed me off last night when they won? Gardner got his first hit and he got the Kim Jones interview on the field at the end of the game.
I hung around to see who was going to give him the rookie hazing “shaving cream pie in the face†while he was on camera since that is a rookie tradition in baseball.
No one on the team did it to him.
There’s no chemistry or camaraderie here anymore.”
Well, I dont know about cream pie throwing or whatever being a tradition. But I did see Veras pull Gardners hat and turn it around while being interviewed by Kim Jones, which I found rather amusing. I guess thats not a Three Stooges cream pie moment though.
“Its wonderful to be optimistic and think they will hit.
Me? When they get better hitters in here, guys who are less swing for the fences and more line drive/contact hitters, with better balance throughout the lineup, then they will hit.
Until then, the Dead Bat Society will continue with its season long futility.
”
SJ, with due respect to you, last year also you gave up on the team around this time. See what happened. I am sure you would love to be proven wrong this time as well
Larry,
It’s not on base percentage, and I’m not sure there’s a stat to measure it, but there’s a skill to fouling off pitches, especially pitchers pitches. The Yankees obviously haven’t gotten results swinging at first pitches on Lester, but batters like Damon who traditionally can spoil good pitches and take long at bats drive good pitchers from the game earlier. It’s a skill the Yankees used to excel at and we got spoiled. This team hasn’t shown that ability. It’s not just tonight’s game. Watch every game. Even pitchers they hit, the opposing pitchers have low pitch counts. IMO, that’s an overall bad sign about the offense.
PS…any could get into Nobu as of 5 years ago. Anyone could get into Momofuku as of last year. This year is The Waverly Inn.
GIDP
Joba better pitch a no hitter if Lester has a complete game shut out of the Yankees.
And they don’t even have Ortiz.
Oh Yeah DP.
Pete
You cannot look at our line up and act surprised about our offensive woes. The truth of the matter is that we have an over rated offense. The offense is that much weaker with Matsui sidelined. After tonight I see no way that this team can compete. We are at best a .500 club. Cashman has screwed the pooch by not finding a right handed bat for this line up. He started the season with no bench other than Betemit. We have too many DH types in this line up (Giambi, Damon, MAtsui, and frankly now Posada). CAno is a complete mystery on why he struggled so long this season. There is no speed guy on the bench (prior to the arrival of Gardner).
Arod is our best hitter but not our best hitter in the clutch. Frankly, I wonder if we will ever win anything with Arod on this team. I am not an Arod basher but so much of our salary is concentrated in so few players that we end up going on the cheap to fill out a well rounded team. The 96 Yankees had no superstars but had a deep team. They also played a style of base ball that had them working conts, playing small ball, and putting together good innings. We don’t.
This season is lost. We end the era of Yankee stadium on a down note. Perhaps Cashman will do some serious rebuilding in teh off-season and put together a team of baseball players and not a collection of over priced, over hyped, and selfish players
another DP what a surprise. is that 5 now?
attaboy bobbay!
Watching the number of hits when it does not matter makes me think, the Yankees need to be a last place team with no shot at the playoffs. Think of how much fun they would be to watch then. On the other hand it is sad that you have to sell expectation to find a positive. Great empires were built on that philosophy.
SJ44: Imagine what would happen if Manny asked the traveling secretary to get him a table at Momofuku during this series!
But it would be an internal matter.
Mark,
Matsui being out of the lineup isn’t why they aren’t hitting.
How many runs would he have accounted for tonight? Certainly not the 8 they needed.
At some point, the excuses have to end.
Jeter, Abreu, Damon, Arod, Giambi, Cano, Posada, Pettitte, that’s not enough firepower to come up with a better performance tonight?
How many more “all stars” do you need to win a game?
That’s why the day they junk this team and rebuild it the right way will be the day they become real contenders again.
Too many “names” and faded stars for my tastes.
Tonight showed just how far away they are from being a legitimate playoff calibur team.
Just a pitiful performance from a veteran team at home. No excuse for this one.
The one thing they can do, the only thing, better than anybody in the game GIDP. They have that mastered.
This is one awful baseball team.
yay ANOTHER GIDP… this team rocks.
this has to be the low point on the year
Dee- dont forget the Little Owl
guess i predicited it – complete game shutout for lester. good job offense.
“But I’ll be unexpectedly optimistic here and say that Yanks will take 1 out of 4 this weekend”
I believe my sunny disposition jinxed the team today.
My apologies.
I’m back to predicting a 4 game sweep now.
An infernal matter also.
Do you know the last time the Red Sox shut out the Yankees?
This will make you pretty sick. April of 2004.
Quick swing by ARod. Must be late for dinner at Madonna’s.
Way to go Mr. $27 mil.
What an embarassing display of getting up for a game they showed tonight.
NO ONE is untouchable when it comes to trades on this current team.
The times have changed. The Rays don’t have a 28M dollar drama queen who can’t get it done with RISP. They just have a bunch of players who BELIEVE that they are in the battle TOGETHER.
I personally believe that payroll discrepancy between the top six or so players and the rest of the team has a lot to do with this teams personality and lack of cohesiveness.
Arod has sucked the life out of every team he has been with. None of them went where they thought he would take them and that includes the Yankees.
Be honest now. When the word came out that the Yanks had gotten Arod, tell me you didn’t automatically pencil them in for at least 1 or two world series appearances in the next four years?
He’s a distraction not an addition to team chemistry.
And I believe that is where this team suffers the most is in it’s chemistry.
Hopefully Cashman and the owners can pull off the right trades that will restore accountability and desire.
Don’t look now Jetes is still getting doubled up
this has to be the low point on the year
NO, the players putting on the Yankees uniform and showing up each day is the low point.
They need 4 out of the next 5…I don’t know how, but we’re going to see what they’re made of.
BBFAn,
After this season, folks will stop talking about last year.
Its all anybody brings up now because some folks just can’t face the facts that last year ain’t happenin’ again.
When you have to depend on flukes, which is what last year was, to win, its fools gold.
It won’t do much good for this team hit in the last 25 games of the year to pad their stats so the stat crowd will tell us all off-season how great an offense this year.
86 games in the books and the offense is awful. That’s an inexcapable fact.
SJ I didn’t say Matsui would be winning every game. I said his bat is missed a lot.
This year the Yankees have 406 RS in what’s about to be 86 games, or 4.7 runs/game. However, this is deceiving, as Pete said, sa in 39 of the 86 games they have scored 3 or less. So even if they scored 3 in each of those games, which they didn’t, they would have scored 389 runs in 47 games, or 8.3 runs/game in “blowout” style. They’re very inconsistent. They rank 8th in MLB before tonight, maybe lower after tonight, but they had an 18 runs outburst last night. Before that, they ranked 11th in baseball.
Last year, they had 464 runs at this point. They ranked 3rd in all of baseball, behind only Detroit and Cleveland.
The Yankees need to hit Beckett tomorrow.
the yanks scored 965 runs last year the yare on pace for slightly over 800 this yr.. that is 1 run less scored per game that is huge, there era is down about .35 over last yr…
the DP by ABreu was classic.. The ycannot hit fastball pitchers anymore..
3 DP’s for the game….It ain’t over but to think this team does not have problms is beyond denial..
the lefty walks off the mound after schooling the big boys; derek, arod, abrue, giambi, and damon did absolutely NOTHING…
BUT yeah send Melky down and play Gardner(I think he should paly a bunch) and that will solve the problems..
I have some suggestions soe gifts each yankee if he had would improve alot so here it goes
damon- I give him a new left arm
derek- some strength to hit the ball out of the infield more often.
abrue- courage so he is not scared of lefty pitchers and the outfield wall
arod- some internal confidence so he will stop living his life like a clown and become better in the clutch.
giambi- the ability to hit the ball to the leftside once in a while
cano- patience so he will be more disciplined at the plate
jorge- a new labrum
etc….
5 hits or less in 5 of the 6 games, yeah this offense is just time to it breaks out.. as I warned before the game, yesterday was an anomoly…..
love it how people kill arod (who is 3x the player jeter is) but give captain intangibles a free pass…
Sorry, a mistake there. Meant to say 289 runs in 47 games or 6.1, which is still blowout style.
Does anyone know why it takes so long for Yes to switch over to the postgame show when the game is blacked out?
Hey, do any of you self-style stat geeks, like me, know where I can find the percentage of how often the Yankees succeed in scoring a runner from 3rd base with less than two outs.
My intuition tells me they’re especially inept in this respect but I’d like to see the numbers to reaffirm my conclusion.
I wonder whether they stack up against the rest of the league in this regard.
“Sometimes I think the players almost subconciously think that the playoffs are their birthright as Yankees.”
Substitute the word fans for players and you would be onto something.
YankeeJosh, I know what you’re referring to.
The 2 Yankees who come to mind, usually, were Jeter and Matsui. Falling behind 0-2, working it back to 2-2 or 3-2. Fouling off pitcher’s pitches until they get the pitch they can hit. It’s something I’ve long argued that Arod lacks. He cannot battle through tough ABs like that. It’s not something you have stats for, it’s anecdotal, but whether my eyes are deceiving me or not, it’s something I’ve seen.
That said, as a team, I’m not sure I don’t see any of it. I can recall a bunch of Jeter ABs where he’s done it this year. I’ve seen Damon do it a bunch.
An interesting quesion to pose and one I imagine they keep stats on. As a team, what is the Yankees average pitch count per AB this year versus last season?
“love it how people kill arod (who is 3x the player jeter is) but give captain intangibles a free pass…”
You have been reading the comments in this blog..right?
Crappy game. Hope they don’t embarrass themselves again tomorrow…
SJ,
I think you are overstating it when you say “This is one awful baseball team.” They are still four games over .500. This isn’t the Royals or Nationals. They may not be a playoff contender, but this team is still a far cry from the truly awful teams of the early 90′s.
JMO I agree they need to take 4 of the next 5. I think they can. I just have a good feeling about this team and where it will go. The good thing is that I haven’t been feeling that way so maybe I’m on to something!
SJ44 if you didn’t see what was going to happen tonight I give you too much credit. I wouldn’t put a lot of season ending stock in tonight’s game.
Moshe Mandel July 3rd, 2008 at 9:59 pm
The Yankees need to hit Beckett tomorrow.
To quote the great Ari Gold from Entourage – “and I wanna **** Angelina Jolie, the only difference is I might actually have a shot!”
“After this season, folks will stop talking about last year.
Its all anybody brings up now because some folks just can’t face the facts that last year ain’t happenin’ again.
When you have to depend on flukes, which is what last year was, to win, its fools gold.
It won’t do much good for this team hit in the last 25 games of the year to pad their stats so the stat crowd will tell us all off-season how great an offense this year.
86 games in the books and the offense is awful. That’s an inexcapable fact.”
SJ, you are entitled to your opinion.
I am sure both of us will be around this blog at the end of the season, irrespective of how it ends. Let us revisit this at that time.
i heard kay say that the yanks get runners in from thrid with less than two down 62 percent and arod like 40 percent
At some point I would hope Kevin Long feels some heat for the inconsistancy in this offense’s approach game to game.
How much you people bash the team is amazing.
Kill Schill – go with your intuition
Moshe I think the Yankees have hit Beckett in the past.
“Hey, do any of you self-style stat geeks, like me, know where I can find the percentage of how often the Yankees succeed in scoring a runner from 3rd base with less than two outs.”
Kill-Shill I don’t know where you find it but I remember reading here that they led the league in getting runs in. I know that totally sounds like it makes no sense but someone said Singleton mentioned it in a game.
Josh,
In 45% of the their games this year they have scored 3 or less runs.
When you spend 209 million on a team, sorry, that’s awful.
Put it to you another way.
How many wins per dollar are the Yankees averaging this year?
Would you say its the worst in baseball?
For the amount of money put into this team, being 4 games over .500, and falling fast, is awful. In fact, its inexcusable.
That’s why its an awful team.
Doesn’t mean it can’t change. However, for it to change, they need a change a LOT of personnel.
they mentioned it today before arod struck out
“Substitute the word fans for players and you would be onto something.”
LOL. I did in an earlier post.
I’m okay if they don’t make the postseason. I’ve been just fine the last 7 years when they haven’t won the World Series. I think I’m in the minority though, lol. I don’t know – if they don’t make the postseason, I see a proportion of fans who will become incredibly bitter at the team. I’m not sure yet if thats a good thing for the fanbase, though. Look at how many people are still incredibly bitter over 2004.
I don’t know why I think this but I think the Yankees are ready to go on a long winning streak. I have a strong feeling about it. So I will either be here to be a hero or a goat in the next few weeks! Ha ha!
the good news tonight robertson a possible piece for the future pitched well again ..the pen is fine even better then expected, yes hawkins is terrible but on a team where you pay guys ungodly money to suck it is not that outrageous.
the bad news the overpriced gang proved they still suck….
last year when the hitting propeled the yanks in the 2nd half jeter was a yr younger, same for abreu, damon, and giambi. arod was looking for a new contract and had a clutch yr. for once in his life. posada had a career yr.
tampa and baltimore had a terrible bullpens along with many other bottom feeding teams.
beckett vs yanks 6-3 record and 5.87 era
For it to change the Yankees have to start hitting the way they know how to hit.
Hope Girardi is giving the team the business!
Night all.
KillSchill, I know ARod is 10 for 25 because he was 9 for 21 last Friday and has gone 1 for 4 since. 40% is just awful. But if you’re Max Kellerman, that’s just “bad lucK’.
There is no such thing as situational hitting, it’s all luck.
Teamwise, it’s another stat I’d like to see.
They sure seem to do it quite a bit.
Brandon…. Thats where I’m confused… All I hear is about how great a hitting coach Long is but I think the teams approach has been terrible under him… The players love him and only say great things about him but I see no results…. I’m wondering when he will start to get some heat for this even though you would think with these players the coach wouldnt be that important
So, tomorrow Rasner will probably pitch the game of his life, Yanks score 10 runs and we win…
Ya know it will happen..
It’s the 2008 yankees roller coaster to lord knows where…
It’s an old, tired uninspired lineup. There’s no clubhouse leader on this team. Jeter sure isn’t. It’s a team loaded with bad, unmovable contracts. So, in many ways, this team is like the early 90s teams.
The Red Sox are light years ahead of us, light years. They might as well be 15 games up in the standings. We’ll be looking up at them for the next five years – at least. Their young pitching is way ahead of ours with Beckett, Lester, Bucholz and Masterson.
It’s going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.
why is anyone surprised that we dont score runs?
we think of jeter as a star – he’s not.
we think of cano as a star – he’s not
we think of melky as a prodcutive player – he’s not.
we think of damon as a star – he’s not.
we think of abreu as a a star – he’s not.
our players have big names, so we’re surprised about hte results of our lineup. but the reality is the point theyre all in in their careers, theyre not as good as we think they are and theyre not as good as their name suggests.
Larry,
The stat most quote for good at bats is on base percentage, but that’s not truly fair, because a player doesn’t need a lot of walks to have good at bats. Giambi for example has a great eye and walks a lot but rarely has the great quality at bats that I’m refering too. I agree that A-Rod lacks that skill, which is why I wouldn’t have been heart-broken if he hadn’t re-signed. I think Cano also lacks that skill, which is why I’d have no issue trading him if the situation was right.
The thinking is that a 10 pitch at bat that ends in a strikeout is more valuueable to the team than a first pitch line out. It could even be argued that it’s more valueable than a hit. I thought the Red Sox really had something special with Youkilis having great at bats in the #2 hole and draining a pitcher before he faced Ortiz or Manny the past few years.
I agree, average pitches seen might be a good stat for comparison, though even that’s not foolproof. The thing I’ve been noting ancedotally this year is that starting pitchers against the Yankees are consistently having low pitch counts, and that’s a red flag to me.
Last year I praised Kevin Long this season they are down right terrible, 6 out of the 9 batters swung at pitch # 1, Funny thing is Robi Cano was the most patient one.
Kevin Long can only do so much. The players need to step it up.
Sign Barry Bonds.
Thanks guys, A-Rod supposedly is at 42% (hitting the runner in from 3rd with less than 2 out) but I’d like to see the stat for the Yankees and where this places them in the league.
BTW, what’s going with Jeter’s plate discipline?
Sign Barry Bonds.
ummm… No
SJ, there’s no doubt that bang for the buck wise, this team is one of the worst in baseball. Maybe the Mets are worse.
However, if I’m eliminating payroll, which really doesn’t affect me, I’ve seen a lot worse Yankees teams in my years as a fan.
I just think we’ve gotten a bit spoiled, myself included, to think this is “awful” when the early 1990 Yankees were truly terrible.
Suzyn Waldman just cancelled her post-game. SHe said reporter aren’t allowed in the clubhouse; they’re having some kind of closed-door meeting from which she heard yelling.
Something is going down in the clubhouse.
SJ-
Any players you have in mind that the Yanks try to acquire if they decide to move some of the vets?
I’m less against the radical Barry Bonds gambit that most who are against it. I just like seeing the guy hit. It’s something in the water here. Possibly ‘the cream’ or ‘the clear’.
I don’t think they’d have the guts to do it even if they thought it was a good idea. Which is probably isn’t.
Yeah, YES just reported that the clubhouse is still closed. I bet Girardi is ripping them a new one.
I already mentioned the other day why quoting payroll for this team is really silly — it’s not as if Yankee management started with a $0 payroll in the offseason and could simply compete with every single team in baseball in an auction for the best talent.
Backloaded contracts like Jeter’s and Giambi’s, which were signed in the early 2000s, play a big role in artificially inflating the payroll for this season: the two of them, combined, account for about $45 million this year.
Take them away, and you’re down to a $164 million payroll, which is still tops in the league, but it’s clear that neither player was going to contribute $20 million+ production this season. And when those contracts were signed, there was little thought given to what the roster would look like in 2008.
Obviously that was a major mistake, but that’s not how the Yankees do business anymore.
Also consider that the Yankees are on the hook for, what, $18 million on Abreu? Again, another move that was made for the short-term gain (admittedly a salary pickup in 2006), and an intentionally cost-ineffective move over the long term.
I absolutely agree that this roster offers no payroll flexibility, and that is a problem. I also absolutely agree that, in the future, the Yankees need to continue to be cautious giving out high-dollar contracts for aging players. But to say that this team should be performing better *just* because it’s a $200 million team seems silly, considering how that payroll evolved over time, and that the seeds for this high payroll were sewn six or seven years ago.
Think the Yankees would have signed Giambi or Jeter to a $20 million contract on the open free agent market before this season? Probably not.
…ultimately, though, I do agree about cost inefficiency on this Yankees team. And it’s a problem. But it’s just tiring reading that the Yankees should be getting more from a $200 million ballclub, again, because of how this payroll evolved over time, and because at least a quarter of that payroll is a result of older contracts.
Kill Schilling,
One of my biggest memories from 2004 was game 5 (I think) of the ALCS and the Yankees having a runner at third and one out in the Seventh inning, I believe, and A-Rod struck out. If he’d brought in the run, it would have been more insurance that could have prevented the collapse. And I haven’t viewedd A-Rod teh same since.
Ummm…
Aren’t you the knucklehead that made the Cancer comment? You should be proud of yourself.
YankeeJosh, I’d be interested in that stat also going back to the championship teams.
To me, fans look back with the rosiest of rose color glasses as if EVERYONE on that team worked the count. They all didn’t.
Again, I’d like to see the actual stat. Just in the Met series, I think they had Pelfrey Pedro and Santana’s pitch counts up.
We often perceive things, but perception isn’t always reality. And I’m not saying that yours is, just doesn’t seem as bad to me. I’d like to see it, though.
let’s end the arguement one and for all. AROD is the most talented player in baseball but it does not matter.. He is a bad guy who is clueless.. Again as others have posted earlier where has he made his team a WINNER.
SOmething is wrong with his mind that he needs to make the most money etc. His ego and internal psychbabble BS is too much. WHy are people so stupid and only look at #’s.
The yanks won 4 WS in 5 yrs. with the like of CHad Curtis, and old tim raines, chili davis(old) and old Jimmy key, scott brosius at 3b, joe girard at catcher(he could not hit) with mariano duncon at 2B etc.. They won 4 WS in 5 yrs. with no stars winning any individual awards why can’t you people comprehend that????????
The Giants won the superbowl this year with 1 ALL PRO, figure it out Einsteins……..
“I bet Girardi is ripping them a new one.”
I hope so…not sure what good it would do though…
Where’s Hank when ya need him?
“Suzyn Waldman just cancelled her post-game. SHe said reporter aren’t allowed in the clubhouse; they’re having some kind of closed-door meeting from which she heard yelling.”
good, it’s about time!
they’re having some kind of closed-door meeting from which she heard yelling.
Cool beans. Girardi is playing Hank. Ha ha! He saw what happened when Hank yelled.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall.
Well, nobody can blame Melky!!!
Ya think Pete has his ear to the clubhouse door right now? I can just see a red faced Girardi open the door to the clubhouse and have 10 reporters fall through the doorway on their faces at his feet.
Suzyn Waldman just cancelled her post-game. SHe said reporter aren’t allowed in the clubhouse; they’re having some kind of closed-door meeting from which she heard yelling.
ABOUT FREAKING TIME !
Cashman has attempted to remain competitive while re-building for the past few years. With poor performances by Hughes and Kennedy to start the season, the remain competitive part was bound to be a significant challenge.
Then we lost Posada, and then A-Rod went down followed by Wang. Don’t forget Bruney and Albadajeo (sp?) who also went on the DL.
Despite all of these injuries, we are still within striking distance of the wild card, even after a horrendous loss tonight.
At this rate, we will probably be sellers at the wildcard, and this will be the more official statement by ownership and management that winning a championship is not in the cards this year.
Posada needs to go under the knife right now. He can’t throw, and soon he won’t be able to hit. Damon needs to be traded if we can get decent value back for him.
Gardner needs to play. He adds excitement to a team that is dead.
Girardi needs to give the Captain a few days off to get checked out medically. I don’t know what is wrong, but clearly something is wrong. He can’t get his hands through the zone, and the result is one weak grounder after another.
It is sad that this team is in such rough shape in the final year of the stadium, but is also reality. Time to unload the vets who can’t perform and let some young guys get experience at the major league level.
Miracles happen, but they should not be relied on year after year.
And Red Sox young pitching is not “light years” ahead of the Yankees’.
Granted, the Red Sox have advantages in Beckett and Lester over their nearest comparables (considering age and closest minor league development time) in Wang and Hughes.
But I think it’s fair to say that Joba is further along than Buccholz right now, and I’d actually say Masterson/Bowden is a wash with Kennedy. The fact is, Kennedy is still in his second professional season, and even if he takes a step back this season, there’s plenty of time to recoup.
Basically, if one is to say that Masterson’s small sample size thus far this year puts him ahead of Kennedy, then one cannot say that Kennedy’s numbers last year don’t matter, because he had one of the most dominant minor league campaigns for a player in his first professional season, and that skill just doesn’t disappear.
I will certainly agree that the Red Sox’s young pitchers *are* ahead of the Yankees’ developmentally right now, but I wouldn’t say they’re light years ahead, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a major turnaround in a season or two. The gap is closer than people might thing.
Media just let in.
“I’d actually say Masterson/Bowden is a wash with Kennedy.’
You’d actually be dreaming.
And now I’m going to make what might be a controversial statement. But it’s a simple one and sometimes the simple ones are the ones that make the most sense.
The New York Yankees have everything they need to win right within their clubhouse. All it takes is each player playing to his potential instead of underachieving.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!
Chambliss with a very wise post, thanks…
I like the young guys except for Hughes the young guys have performed as well as could be xpected..
Hughes is the big big dissapointment and if he does not get tougher and overcome this injury stuff he is going to be a huge long term dissapointment….
One thing to remember. We’re not talking just 2007. What were their records at this point in 2005 and 2006? We’ve done this 3 years in a row. Which isn’t to say that I’m not feeling pessimistic right now because I am.
Girardi is pissed!
ABOUT TIME.
Wow. Short, curt answers from Girardi. Something went down in that clubhouse, and I hope for everyone’s sake that it works.
The Fallen Phoenix
I have no doubt that in the coming years if not already the Yanks will be regretting Arod’s contract of this past off season.
I believed Cashman when he said that if Arod opted out that he could keep walking. But I think Hank totally panicked at the thought of what the team would be without Arod. Thus he wound up bidding against himself for his services at an inflated price. It wasn’t like there were other clubs out there looking to make a run at him at the numbers that he and his agent were tossing about.
Big mistake in my opinion.
They need to swallow their pride and see if they can work a deal like they did with Texas for MLB ready prospects to fill a few holes they now have.
…picking a fight with Joe Girardi? Realy? Which beat writer was that?
Girardi not making nice with the media….that might be worse for him than the performance of the team.
Reporters are being as*holes. Girardi doesn’t want to divulge what happened WHICH IS HIS RIGHT and petty little Sherman had to push him.
details please.
Atleast we know that the longer Arod is having marriage problems the longer he will be pathetic. Seriously is he EVER going to get a runner in from 3rd. His at bat today with 1st and 3rd is exactly the same at bats we have seen and will see in the play offs from him. It is unreal that his talent produces nothing in those spots.
Also is Jeter declining or just having a terrible year? He hits into a DP every time Damon is on 1st with no one out..Hasn’t hit good all season..has zero patience at the plate..his defense hasn’t been that good all year..?!! He just looks REALLY old and REALLY bad this year. The captain better stop signing endorsement deals and shaving his face in Times Square and better start focusing on the field.
Boy am I glad I missed tonight’s game. Pretty predictable that after putting up all those runs yesterday that they would put up the goose egg tonight. Let’s finish these last games before the All-Star game with ALL VICTORIES….starting tomorrow….NEVER SAY DIE !
“The New York Yankees have everything they need to win right within their clubhouse. All it takes is each player playing to his potential instead of underachieving.”
Problem is many have already realized their potential and are the back nine of their career.
That would be Joel Sherman picking the fight saying that the 4.5 million fans deserve to know what went on behind closed doors. Typical Joel as far asI am concerned.
Nark,
It wasn’t the reporters acting up. It was one reporter- Joel Sherman. He kept pushing the issue, saying the 4.5 million fans who go to the game have the right to know about the details of the team meeting.
The other reporters have been fair. It’s their job to ask, and they have and Girardi responded with a no comment. Sherman picking a fight with Girardi was incredibly out of line though. And make no mistake, Sherman picked that fight.
to be honest, pitching a shutout against this year’s yankees isn’t impressive at all if you score 4 runs in the first two innings.
as i stated persistently, this team simply has no patience in losing situations. this is proven when you look at Lester’s pitch count tonight, inning by inning. a pitcher up on the yankees by a few runs in the 2nd or 3rd inning should be absolutely ecstatic. these hitters go up there with absolutely no plan. it’s embarrassing.
““I’d actually say Masterson/Bowden is a wash with Kennedy.’
You’d actually be dreaming.”
Why? Kennedy has struggled so far this year, I won’t deny that.
It’s also his second professional season. He’s going to take some lumps. Just because he does, doesn’t make him a failure. I’d bet that if you moved Bowden from AA up to the majors, he wouldn’t perform any better than Kennedy has this year. As for Masterson, again, sample size. He has been more productive than Kennedy this season, but that does not necessarily mean he’s further along the developmental curve than Kennedy.
Also, I’ll be brutally honest: both Masterson and Bowden certainly have higher upsides than Kennedy. But Kennedy’s high floor, although it hadn’t been displayed in ten starts this season, also has some value, and didn’t just disappear.
That would be someone named Joel (Sherman?) pushing Girardi for answers about the meeting but the only answer so far is “this is between me and my team”. Reporter said the 4.5 million people who come to the stadium might care. Girardi skept repeating this is between me and my team.
Younger players? Their worst 2 everyday players have been Cabrera and Cano. Kennedy and Hughes are injured and stunk when they did pitch. Ohlendorf stunk. Gardner just came up. Geise isn’t really that young nor is Ramirez. Veras has done well. Robertson too, but that’s just a couple games so far.
I see a lot of disappointing performance in the youth so far.
S.A.,
You can tell Girardi is still really upset and he must have just let them have it. He is clearly not in the mood to deal with the media and is standoffish. Sherman asked him about the contents of the meeting and girardi said it was between him and the team. Sherman pushed him on it and Girardi got testy with him.
I thought it was Joel Sherman, but I didn’t want to jump to conclusions.
Then I realized it was Joel Sherman. It’s hard not to jump to a conclusion when thinking about that hack.
You have to give it to Lester. Massively clutch effort for a dead ass team coming into the Bronx. Easily could have gone bad when the ump hosed him on Jeter’s walk in the 1st. Kid got tough and made it work. Lot of Pettitte in his effort.
Being someone that watched the game …(put in on mute cause i cant stand kay )..i just feel like they need to take some pitches ..24 pitches in the first inning for lester..and he ends up with what 105? i give lester credit but seeing so many guys swing at the 1st pitch after lester has like an 8 pitch inning is ridiculous. good to see cano getting hot though
I guess Joel Sherman is not gonna be on Girardi’s Christmas Card list..
Chambliss has it right – Jeter has been very good for a very long time. You don’t get old overnight – he is hurt and needs to rest/heal. It is ironic that his range seems better this year – but his throwing has grown steadily worse. He doesn’t GIDP on purpose folks – but he has had a tough time hitting line drives – with virtually nothing in the gap anymore. Ditto Posada – Jorge is really struggling and I fear additional damage if they don’t shut him down. ARod doesn’t seem capable of carrying the team. i have written this before – I don’t care how many home runs he hits – he is no Mickey Mantle – who had his own flaws – but surely could carry a team! Get them right over the next few weeks and then make a run – if it isn’t to be fine then start selling off the parts you can and keep stockpiling young talent.
Don Vito – BINGO!
Wish you were here to say that tonight. Same thing I said all night.
S.A. I have never seen Girardi like this. He is quietly seething. Joel Sherman kept pushing him and he was indignant. His answer kept being “That’s between me and my team.” I really like what I am hearing from him. It’s about time. He’s basically saying that his team is totally underachieving and it has to end.
He did say the obvious – we are a better team than the way we have been playing. He also said he believed he had the personnel to win. He basically said they better starting winning NOW.
He said he was not happy with one thing about tonight’s game.
Wow.
“I’d actually say Masterson/Bowden is a wash with Kennedy.”
Who knows about Bowden?
Both Kennedy and Masterson have small sample sizes, and it’s not up for debate that Masterson has been the better pitcher.
I’m in a pissed enough mood I’d like to punch Joel Sherman right now.
Thanks tony.
We will see how this team responds tomorrow..
“The other reporters have been fair. It’s their job to ask, and they have and Girardi responded with a no comment. Sherman picking a fight with Girardi was incredibly out of line though. And make no mistake, Sherman picked that fight.”
Girardi has gotten such a pass from the NY media this year. More power to Sherman! It’s about time.
They shoot horses don’t they?
A-Rod’s contract is a little unique, though, insofar as it is frontloaded, so the Yankees are actually paying the bulk of it up-front.
He still stands to make $25 million+ in the last couple years, but that’s *if* he’s approaching the home run record, and I think there’s certainly a lot of value there (perhaps not from a roster construction efficiency standpoint, but in terms of attracting marketing, fan interest, and cold hard cash, that deal makes a bit more sense — especially since a home run chase would net all that money irrespective of on-the-field team performance [see: Giants/Bonds post-2001]).
30 minute meeting.
mark-thanks also for providing some details.
Can’t wait to see what Sherman has in the paper tomorrow…
YankeeJosh you are right. It was just Joel Sherman. Obnoxious little pr*ck.
Larry maybe you see alot of dissapointment because you are a fool.. Dissapointed in Veras?/He is the 8th inning guy who has a sy=ub 3 ERA… Edwar is getting rid of Kyle being the 7th inning guy and is effective 80 + % of the time.. Melky is 23 yrs old and has started for 2 yrs in CF for the NY Yankees. Look at Bernie WIlliams first few yrs. EInstein.. Cano has the talent mayb not the mind to lead the lague in hitting…..
Joba chamberlain is 22 yrs old and has a low 2 ERA…
DO I need to go on ???????
Yeah finding there future ace for the next10 yrs is a bad thing… BTW Wang is 27 and won 9 games before he got hurt again…
Besides those examples and about 10 others they are bereft of young talent…….
“I’m in a pissed enough mood I’d like to punch Joel Sherman right now.”
Ain’t his fault. You should be more pissed at Girardi, who has not done much of a job.
Sorry, Girardi, I can’t imagine the sullen, angry, castigating father routine is going to work with veterans.
These aren’t kids. In fact, the only two people who played well tonight were the two players that routine might have influenced, Cano and Cabrera.
If this how Girardi acts, either he or the team will unravel or both.
That BS is of no value when guys are exercising the effort but just aren’t producing as a consequence.
They played poorly tonight. I don’t know how yelling and screaming at 34 year men accomplishes anything.
“But I think Hank totally panicked at the thought of what the team would be without Arod.”
Read the MLB.com article with Hal from today and read between the lines. A-Rod was as much an off field as an on field business decision. He is a marquee player that can be used to market the brand which helps generate revenue for both the Yankees and the YES network which will assist in paying down the debt of a new stadium.
Hey, I give Sherman props for confronting the guy. If the manager is going to have a temper tantrum and thinks he can intimidate reporters into ignoring it, he’s sadly mistaken.
Little Joey had a temper tantrum. He should be a man and take responsibility.
Eugie
There’s a difference between criticizing Girardi for on field moves, the way he handles the team etc and in asking him to reveal information from a confidential meeting. Sherman was completely out of line there, not for pressing Girardi, but for asking him to reveal things that were said in confidence.
Ain’t his fault. You should be more pissed at Girardi, who has not done much of a job.
Excuse me ? Girardi is trying to manage a team, Joel Sherman is trying to start some BS, he’s a grade A jacka*s w/ a pen and a recorder, he deserves a punch in his face from every Yankee fan over these past few years.
Closed clubhouse meeting over – Joe on YES now – mad as a hornet, bristling visibly, short, brusque responses. Repeatedly refused to disclose what went on. Heated exchange with Joel Sherman – Sherman pressing him to talk about what was said in the meeting, Joe G refusing angrily. Things got ugly. Said he was unhappy with every aspect of the game the Yankees played and that “we have to do better.” Said he wants to see consistency. Never seen him — or any manager not named Piniella, Guillen or Leyland — this furious. Even more amazing given Joe G. has had considerable experience as part of the media with YES and Fox. WOW.
I think Girardi calling them to task WILL make a difference. If he did it every other day then maybe they’d tune him out.
The only mistake I think Girardi made with this team so far is NOT doing more of what he did tonight.
This team underachieves. They can play much much better baseball. We all know it. They obviously need something to motivate them.
CONGRATULATIONS JOE GIRARDI. ABOUT DAMN TIME.
If he’s making 25 at the end, then he’s making 30 now. Do you think he’s worth 30 now when no other everyday player makes more than 20? And you’ll still be paying him 25 when he might be a shadow of what he is now.
I’m sure the record will be worth money, but you’re also giving him 30 million of it. Also, depends on when he breaks it. He does it in the seventh year and you’ve still got 3 years left after the attracton of that is gone.
Depends on what the value of the home run record is, I suppose. I say they’ll eventually rue the day they gave him the contract. You got people complaining that Jeter is done now. Rodriguez is a year younger.
Funny that Joel got confrontational, I thought his blog post today was bashing Joe G via comparison to the treatment Torre was getting. I thought as a beat writer, he was pushing it a bit. I happen to agree, Torre was not the biggest problem with this team. It’s a lack of heart and passion.
As an aside, DJ is preternaturally gifted at dealing with the press and keeping his cool.
Joe Girardi’s performance was shameful. He embarassed himself and his team. I haven’t seen anything that pathetic since Billy Martin called Reggie a born liar and said George was a convicted one. Dammn, Billy was at least witty.
Interesting hearing the reporters ask questions of the players trying to dig out what happened during the closed door meeting by pretending they know more about what happened than they do know.
Joel SHerman is a moron. .read his columns and blog and save his predicitons and he is right at least 1 % of the time.. after the fact he can tell you why anything happened..
Pat, if the yanks make baseball decisions like the afraud crap based on business issues they are doomed not to win but make $.. The easiest way to make money in sports is pretty simple, WIN and you will make $$$$$ unless you have george SR. make talent decisions instead of the baseball people..
NY reporters think the yown the town Peter included, if they are not stroked and leaked to they snipe and backstab….again girardi has made some mistakes this yr. for sure but it has cost us maybe 3 games.. the lack of performance by arod, jeter, abreu and other multi millionaires has cots them 10 games…
even without 2 real starters(wang and Hughes ) they should have a much better record by far……
Kill-Schill that’s Girardi’s clubhouse, not Sherman’s or any other reporters. When that clubhouse door is shut, Girardi can do a striptease or anything else he wants to do and it is nobody’s GD business if he says it isn’t. If he decides he wants to have a tantrum in HIS clubhouse with the door shut, it’s HIS business and his team’s and nobody else’s.
If he had the tantrum in full view of the reporters while they were standing there watching him and then he refused to say anything about it, maybe he would deserve your criticism.
The reporters are guests there, not part of the Yankee organization.
Jeff–
Joel Sherman is NOT a beat writer he is a columnist which is a HUGE difference.
Everyone gets healthy against the Yankees. Mets were floundering the first time that Mets played at the Stadium, they come in limping into Yankee Stadium andcome out world beaters. Tonight, Red Sox had lost 5 straight? Blew a couple of leads in Tampa, got shelled, cant hit etc. They come into Yankee stadium tonight and they now look ready to go for the division.
Petittes walks tonight were unacceptable, Glad Girardi went off its about time. Sherman was out of line, and he`ll take it out on Girardi in the paper. Girardi still leaves his starting pitchers in long enough to let the game get out of control and unwinnable- Rasner haslittle chance against Beckett tomorrow, and its a JOKE that he is the best we have available
This team is tight, anxious, impatient, and overeager at the dish. They’re all trying to hit home runs rather than work counts. That’s a function of being tense.
Yelling at a tense person for not performing== when he’s putting too much pressure on himself– is no way to instill confidence and relax him enough to alleviate the problem.
These guys are not lollygagging; quite the contrary.
I don’t know if it’s a big deal, a little deal, or no deal, but I’d like to see the manager project a little more cool than I just saw from Girardi during the 25 seconds they showed on Baseball Tonight.
He’s not Joe Torre. Doesn’t have to be Joe Torre. But please don’t look like you’re about to cry and please don’t act like a dumb reporter’s question can make you lose your cool even more.
Johnny Damon pretty much encapsulated our entire season thus far in about 5 minutes.
Going back to the Joel Sherman thing I have no problem with reporters asking the question about the meeting and what was said. They absolutely SHOULD ask the question and the question in and of itself is not out of line.
The Problem with Joel Sherman is that after Girardi aid multiple times he was not going to asnwer the question that it was between him and his team, SHerman pressed him like he wanted to antagonize him and then when he brought up the 4.5 million people who go to the gamehe crossed the line. Like I said before he is a columnist NOT a beat reporter so he is not with the team eveyrday and doesnt travel with them which makes him in my opinion pushing the issue even worse.
Could somebody please post the video of Girardi’s postgame interview
Gotta admit, the whole ” ITS BETWEEN MY TEAM AND ME” brigade, I see a huge turn around here. Great job Joe, you now have me on board if it turns us around
Kill Schill – I coudn’t disagree with you more on this one.
One, I think if Joe/team says it’s a private matter, then that should be respected. Heck, the Red Sox made a private matter of Manny beating up a 60-some year old man. That’s something to be ashamed of.
Two, I think Joe was polite and professional to Joel Sherman. He replied to his questions, albeit he did appear annoyed at the least. But he did not yell, belittle, or otherwise insult him. I think he was respectful, esp. given his emotional state.
Three, the players – some at least – had it coming. Some of those at-bats were disgraceful. How many 4 or 5 pitch innings did Lester have? No wonder he pitched a complete game that finished in less than 3 hours.
Four, some players may have played their way out of NY. And I don’t mean just to Scranton. It may not happen tomorrow, but he may tell Cash to just go ahead and make the deals on certain guys, based on this game and who knows what else.
Tomorrows game will be even less competitive then todays game was..Rasner is lucky if he lasts 3 innigs. If they couldn’t have competitive at bats against Lester who is garbage are they even going to try against Beckett??!!! Also is Melky not allowed to be sat now because he finally had 2 hits today? Gardner better be playing tomorrow..why is Girardi so obsessed with garbage Betemit???
“Eugie
There’s a difference between criticizing Girardi for on field moves, the way he handles the team etc and in asking him to reveal information from a confidential meeting. Sherman was completely out of line there, not for pressing Girardi, but for asking him to reveal things that were said in confidence.”
I don’t see any difference. This guy is getting too big of a pass.
Well said.
lil’ m, good use of ‘preternaturally’! I approve!
Kill=Schilling -
Did you actually watch the post-game. Even in the little exchange with Sherman, he did not lose his cool. He did not raise his voice.
He was controlled and in control of that post-game interview. It is his absolute right to not disclose what went on in that clubhouse BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. If they’d wanted everyone to know, the doors would have been open.
I have respect for someone who will deal with his players in the manner he did, as opposed to those who will throw their team under the bus in the press.
They are a bunch of old aging men falling apart. Their pitching is young and inexperienced and thier batters are over the hill. It’s a terrible combination and its killing them. jeter is a double play machine. This team is sinking like the Titanic. It’s a same that the last year at Yankee Stadium is going to be so pathetic.
Gayle-
sounds like when one of the kids keeps repeating, “Dad, can we…” on a really hot or frustrating day, and after saying “no” 5 or 6 times, you lose it and say, “I said NO!”
I don’t care what Joe did behind closed doors, that’s his business and the Yankees.
His brusque, surly, menacing demeanor in that press conference was inexcusable however.
Joel asked the question. Girardi should have smiled and deflected it and continued to do so until Sherman gave up.
You don’t respond with a surly, brusque truculence that conveys you resent the question. The manager’s job isn’t just flipping through your magical little black binder in the dugout. It’s also about handling the press. Girardi hasn’t acquitted himself particularly well in this regard.
If you can’t compose yourself because you’re so angry, then you need to wait until you’re capable of speaking to the press without snapping. Girardi’s performance in that press conference was as bad as his team’s on the field tonight.
If the Yankees want to flagellate themselves over their performance, Girardi should look in the mirror. Both his in-game management and his public demeanor leave much to be desired.
Is Sherman a Yankee hater?
Joe Torre yelled at the team more than once. I didn’t see anyone go off on him. He was FURIOUS in St. LOUIS if you remember.
I’ll say it again. Good for Girardi. By the way the 25 seconds you saw on Baseball Tonight (I saw the same 25 seconds) was a result of being pushed. I saw the whole postgame. Baseball Tonight showed a cut of his attitude after he was asked that same question by Sherman about 5 times.
And what the heck is with this Save the Planet yunk? Nice to see that the little Stiens sold out to Hardrock. Anythign for another dollar right?
I’ll admit that drawing any kind of conclusion based on that little snippet isn’t wise.
Kill-Schill – every been really really pissed about something? Every have a huge fight with your wife/girlfriend where you want to kill her? Do you go and smile and deflect without missing a beat 2 seconds later if someone makes the mistake of busting your balls? Doubtful.
Anyway, it’s over. Piniella used to throw bases for Christ sake and he still had the respect of the baseball world. So Girardi finally blew up over the Yankees playing like crap. Kill him for being human.
Hank
At least parts of the postgame show get put on yesnetwork.com
Tonights could probably become an instant Postgame Classic to be replayed on YES during the off season and rain delays.
An angry manager and watery eyed players.
BBTN wanted to show Girardi as the aggressor thats why. Espn wants the Yankees to look like sh it whenever they can
Sorry Kill Schil, but you are wrong
When the questions were not about the specifics of the meeting, Joe was as cordial as a person who just had a 30-minute emotionally charged meeting could have been. He seemed to me to try to answer those more game-oriented questions in a better manner than the meeting questions.
He obviously did not want to get into specifics about how they could get better, because it would fuel speculation about what was actually said in the meeting.
But any of us here can probably make a pretty good guess, anyway, as could the reporters. And Johnny Damon pretty much put it on the line.
This team need wake up call.Hank may need to something anymore.Rays play thier best,redsox play well.if yankees keep playing game like today,they won’t go to playoff.
Mark, you’re right about Torre.
I’m not surprised Baseball Tonight showed whatever they did. They’re in business to make waves. Just like TV news shows, “if it bleeds, it leads”.
Mark, you’re right about Torre.
I’m not surprised Baseball Tonight showed whatever they did. They’re in business to make waves. Just like TV news shows, “if it bleeds, it leads”.
“His brusque, surly, menacing demeanor in that press conference was inexcusable however.”
He was something of a pisspot, but that’s him. He’s frustrated with the team, tonight’s performance and the media. He simply doesn’t have Torre’s temperment.
Kill
In my opinion Sherman was NOT going to give up on that question when you specifically are told 3 times that what went on in that meeting is between him and his players and then you throw what about the 4.5 million fans that go to the game deserve to know because you didnt gt the answer you wanted you are asking for the type of response he got. Would you rather that Girardi get up and leave and not respond and then piss off all he beat writers who cover the game on a daily basis?
Also Girardi did say he takes full blame for the things he has done wrong as well so he didnt just throw the players under th ebus he threw himself as well.
If you heard Buster Olney it didn’t sound like he thought Girardi was out of line with his intent anyway. They said they were going to continue the discussion on the midnight edition of BBT.
It will be interesting to see what they have to say. Olney at least tries to be objective.
I love the new Girardi
Stuart, if you want to act like an a-hole, I’ll talk to like one. THIS YEAR, nitwit.
Where was that not clear in my post? THIS YEAR, Cano, Cabrera, Hughes, Kennedy and Ohlendorf all have stunk. I listed Veras as being good, can you read?
Ramirez is 27 or 28, isn’t he? Not old, but not what you think of when you think of the young crown jewels of the organization.
Joba is a stud, where did I dispute that? Nowhere did I say the youth was a complete failure. I said there had been a lot of disappointment and there damm well has been.
It’s the difference between screaming at your ex-girlfriend and causing a scene in a restaurant or doing so behind closed doors.
It’s the difference between having a fight with your wife that causes you to explode but then leaves you so angry you scream at the neighbors who asks you about the garbage or your kid because he wants to watch Teenage Mutant Ninja turtles past his bedtime.
Big difference.
Look you guys thought Torre was too laid back, too nurturing, too diplomatic with his players and the press.
You wanted someone reminiscent of the old George, the angry, raging tyrannical father: YOu got him.
Let’s see now how the team responds.
I remember Torre being brusque and surly just last season after Karstens broke his leg and after the game a reporter asked a particulary obtuse question and Joe glared at him and responded not so very nicely.
and he doesn’t need Torre’s temperment. He needs to do a better job, but he can do it being who he is. Tough job for him to come into, following a legend, inheriting a team that’s largely players on the back nine of their career. I can understand the frustration and believe in his right and responsibility to keep what goes on in the room in the room.
Someone asked during the press conference if there will be personnel changes made on the team and Girardi’s response was he needed to talk with his management.
Who’s going bye bye?
Kill Schill
GIrardi did not have a tirade in the post-game. I don’t know what you saw that I didn’t.
I love the new Girardi
What’s new about him?
KillSchill – while I agree with your take on many things, on this one I must disagree. I didn’t see Joe as surly or truculent. Upset with what was going on with his team, yes, and upset with someone who he perceived wouldn’t respect his desire for privacy on this.
Good-bye, Yankees Staduim. No payoff for the last year!
I have an idea, lets all watch “Ivitation to save the Planet” and smoke some pot and ignore the fact that the yankees are sinking into last place? Who’s with me? I’ll even make a bong out of old baseball mits and Yankess memorabiale.
Can’t wait to hear Pete’s take on this.
Pat, we may not know who’s going for a while. Trades may take some time to develop. But who knows. Remember how the Phillies went on a run right after they traded Bobby Abreu (not to say that Abreu will be the one traded here)? A trade of one of the regulars may be the needed wakeup call.
Stuart said-
“Pat, if the yanks make baseball decisions like the afraud crap based on business issues they are doomed not to win but make $.. The easiest way to make money in sports is pretty simple, WIN and you will make $$$$$ unless you have george SR. make talent decisions instead of the baseball people..”
That is the whole problem with professional sports right now, it isn’t winning that’s important right now – at least not in the minds of management – it’s $$$$. Arod reminds me a lot of Kobe Bryant. They both have egos that fill a stadium, they both think they can do whatever they want and get away with it, and they both think they can win without their teammates. Both have signed gazillion dollar contracts for a billion years, relatively speaking : ). But, the fact of the matter is, Stuart, that these owners think we want stars over wins. And as long as we pay at the stadium, and pay for their products, they will continue to dish out huge contracts to people like Bonds and Arod. Who cares whether we win or lose, we have a big name and that’s all that counts.
Florida has won two World Series championships, their farm system has developed some of the best young talent in baseball, and yet they still can’t draw flies. That doesn’t get lost on these owners believe me.
“What’s new about him?”
Shows fire.
Let Mechum go and bring Willie in
Larry a– hole mybe you have been dissapointment because mental midgets like you have no patience and unrealistic expectations..
again my biggest dissapointment is Hughes who may just be a soft so cal guy from the suburbs. I live in LA so I can bash him.. He gets hurt his leg last yr. while rehabbing his groin.. This year fractures a rib… He should be a mega stud but has been a dud.. Kennedy is a back of rotation guy and that is it.. Robertson has talent and is 23, that just leads me to believe COx and Melancon are the same..
All these young guys go thru the growing pains look at Jay Bruce he has had a real reality check. Yes Longoria is on a roll and looks great but it is a long road…
they are losing for 1 reason there stars are not playing like stars… I like that Damon pointed to the Varitek AB when he hit it to the right side with a 3 and 1 count.. That was a good AB from a bad hitter, help the team and all that stuff.. The Yanks do not do that…
Agin this team is so unlikeable.. I am watching the tigers game they are playing joyce and some other young SS and are in turmoil as a team but are battling. .They lose because they have alot of flaws but at least they battle.. The yanks battling measured by comebacks and things like that looks like they do not battle.. WHy did it take them 86 games to figure it out… Damon almost told the truth how pathetic the team is and how soft they are..
“Barring some miracle, this will be the 38th time in 86 games the Yankees will be held to three or less runs. That’s amazing given their lineup.”
This was one of Pete’s comments in his blog.
I think Pete would totally understand Girardi finally losing it based on that.
Such a negative and nasty group of people here… you can commiserate without bashing…don’t turn this place into another cesspool — it’s getting pretty close.
who is tradeable?????
Damon probably,Melky or Gardner (they may have value but probably minimal) Abreu, Kyle(don’t laugh) and who else that we may want to trade?
Abreu is a FA end of the yr. and same for Krazy Kyle, damon only has 1 yr. left on his deal…
Matsui cannot be moved he has 1 yr left after this yr and his injury situation is a problem. WHo else is tradeable??
Moose could be traded if he would agree to it?/Pettitte the same but we can’t trade him else it destroys the whole legacy thing..
Sports fans they have limited options on the trade front…The only real options they have on the trade front are there young pen arms because they have so many of them that is it.. They do have some chips there, veras, cox, melancon, robertson, etc….I doubt they do much in that direction because there pen next yr. is going to be mo and the KIDDIES>>>>>>>
Am I missing something??? The bottom line is thy are not making many trades if any this yr. if they fail they will replace 1b, rf, and maybe 1 other position in the offseason and that is it…..1 starter a 1b, and rf can be aded to the team and everything else will come from within….
I say lets all smoke the peace pipe (you know pot wink wink) watch save the planet and forget that the Red sucks just handed us our behind. Did we really want to make the playoffs anyway???
Very funny … you are trying to blame the Yankees losing and looking terrible this season on A-Rod’s family issues? I thought better of you … after seeing that comment, I will have to re-think that stance … the clownish antics of A-Rod??? … you really need to get a grip! The way this team has been playing has nothing to do with A-Rod … this has been going on all season long … it’s just that now the games are meaning something and they are slipping further back.
Lots of Yankee fans are pretty pissed off right now, Wow, and I don’t blame them. This franchise is the most successful in professional sports. We expect more from the Yankees. However, Cashman and his baseball people – stay out of it Hank and Hal – need to get together and start to make some decisions regarding the future of some of the players on this roster. I don’t know – I’m no baseball expert by any stretch – but they have to decide whether or not they can legitimately win this year with what they have, or begin to retool this roster with good young talent and hope for a brighter future. Because right now, neither the future, nor the present, is very bright.
Yankees co-chairman Hank Steinbrenner said the reports would not faze the club.
“It’s no distraction to the team,” Steinbrenner said Thursday at the Yankees’ complex in Tampa, Fla. “Whether it is to Alex I don’t know. But from what I’m hearing, no, it’s not.”
BY THE WAY, THE ABOVE WAS A QUOTE FROM STEINBRENNER … BUT I GUESS YOU SEEM TO KNOW MORE THAN HE DOES ABOUT WHAT IS DISTRACTING THE TEAM!
I will say this about Arod, he is a future Hall of Famer, he will probably eclipse Barry Bonds HR record, and he will go down as one of the all-time greats who ever played the game. But, if I am in a crucial playoff game, it’s the bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, bases loaded, and we need one run to tie and two runs to win, would I want Arod to be up at the plate? NO!
Even with all that talent, he is probably the worst clutch hitter in baseball. I think the Yankees should have let him walk last year.
“Who knows about Bowden?”
I do. I’ve seen him pitch. He’s a stud.
Also, tonight Charlie Zink threw a complete-game shutout for Pawtucket to improve his record to 9-2 with a 2.42 ERA.
The Sox are loaded with pitching in the minors.
C’mon Yanks, we need a win!!!
Big time game today…George Steinbrenner’s birthday…er I mean Independence Day.