Game 86: Red Sox at Yankees
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- July
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YANKEES (45-40)
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Betemit 1B
Cabrera CF
Pettitte LHP
RED SOX (50-37)
Ellsbury LF
Pedroia 2B
Drew RF
Ramirez DH
Lowell 3B
Youkilis 1B
Crisp CF
Varitek C
Lugo SS
Lester LHP
Jon Lester (6-3, 3.48) vs. the Yankee hitters.
Andy Pettitte (9-5, 3.98) vs. the Red Sox hitters.
Notes: Boston has lost five straight, four by one run. They have not lost six straight since Aug. 25-30, 2006. … Much to the delight of Jason Giambi, Boston has activated Mike Timlin off the disabled list. TBG is 3 for 3 with two homers off Timlin this season. … Robinson Cano’s last 16 games: 22-58 (.379) with 15 RBI. He has walked only once in that stretch, however. … Wilson Betemit is 7 of his last 21 with four RBI. … The Yankees are only 23-20 at home this season. … The Yankees are 2-3 against Boston, losing three of the last four meetings. … Cabrera is 0 for his last 19.
MANNY BEING MANNY AGAINST THE YANKEES: The team executive-assaulting slugger is 55 of his last 115 (.473) against the Yankees with 14 home runs and 38 RBI. He has 55 HRs against the Yankees, third-most in history.
APPROACHING YANKEE MILESTONES: Jeter needs one home run for 200. … Rivera needs one strikeout for 900. … A-Rod needs one home run to tie Mickey Mantle for 13th place in history with 536. … A-Rod is one run away from having as many as Reggie Jackson (1,551). That would be good for 49th place all-time. That A-Rod is pretty good. … Posada needs one home run to tie Don Mattingly (222) for eighth place in team history.
Back later with many updates.
UPDATE, 4:23 p.m.: Joe Girardi said that Hideki Matsui has not responded well to physical therapy on his knee and will not be able to take BP this weekend. It appears he will be out until after the break at the earliest. It’s apparent that he will need surgery, if not now then after the season. “It’s a possibility,” said Girardi, which is his way of saying “Absolutely.”
Meanwhile Girardi wouldn’t say who would pitch agains the Rays next week other than to say “we’ll move some things around.”
Girardi also pledged his loyalty to Melky, claiming that he is simply the victim of blind luck. That’s an awful lot of bad luck given his numbers since May 1.
Ian Kennedy is en route to Scranton. Chris Britton continues to dominate the GCL. He threw two perfect innings today against the GCL Tigers.
UPDATE, 7:35 p.m.: A 23-minute first inning. Just about what you would expect from these teams. That’s actually fast for them, Bad job for the Yankees, wasting the two walks to start the inning.
UPDATE, 7:49 p.m.: Poor start for the Yankees, now down 4-0. This next two weeks will be a real test of Joe Girardi’s leadership. Hideki Matsui is out and won’t be back any time soon. The clownish antics of A-Rod have popped up as a distraction. Meanwhile the team is struggling and falling precipitously behind in the division. This is when the manager has to earn his money and keep the team focused and together.
UPDATE, 8:07 p.m.: Hey, look at that, Melky got a hit. The 0-for-19 slump is history.
Meanwhile Jeter raps into his 12th GIDP.
UPDATE, 8:35 p.m.: In bad news from other cities, Trenton manager Tony Franklin now says that Jose Tabata has a “fairly severe” hamstring injury.
“He’s not going to be rushed back. It takes a little time to come back from those injuries, it’s a very sensitive and delicate area,” Franklin told Mike Ashmore.
Meanwhile some people at the Stadium booed Pettitte off the mound. It’s getting ugly.
UPDATE, 9:39 p.m.: Good night for Melky, maybe this will get him going. But Lester is dominating. Barring some miracle, this will be the 38th time in 86 games the Yankees will be held to three or less runs. That’s amazing given their lineup.
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4 game sweep would be awfully nice…
we score 18 runs and this clown changes the lineup. UNBELIEVABLE.
we score 18 runs and this clown changes the lineup. UNBELIEVABLE!
Paddy – If you can talk Lester into pitching with his right arm rather than his left, I’m sure Joe would put last night’s line-up back in.
wait, no gardner?
a four game sweep would be awesome, but we’ve got Beckett and Rasner on Saturday…
Have to win today. No question Set the tone for the series tonight.
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, but taking 3 from the Sox would be great. The Sox are gonna be pretty ticked off they just got swept by the Rays and lost first place. Meanwhile, the Rays will most likely be slapping KC around over the weekend so the Sox are gonna try like hell to make the Yanks suffer like they did earlier this week.
Basically, we made the bed we lay in right now. We could have picked up two additional games on the Sox and kept within 5 1/2 of the Rays had we only dispersed some of the runs from yesterday over the 2 previous days. I’ve posted this before and I’ll say it again…this next week and a half will determine what position we’ll be in for the trade deadline.
We can all pray for these three things: we IBB Manny as many times as neccessary, Timlin pitches a lot, and the most obvious, we score some damn runs.
2009 lineup
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Cano 3B
Arod 3B
Betemit/Duncan 1B
Posada C
Matsui DH
Gardner CF
Melky RF
“we score 18 runs and this clown changes the lineup. UNBELIEVABLE!”
The only thing he changed was his CF. It’s not like he took A-Rod out of the lineup and replaced him with Chad Moeller.
Has there ever been a Yankee lineup in history that someone hasn’t complained about?
tkindc,
fair enough. but 1) gardner hit lefties better than righties in the minors this year and 2) melky doesn’t much care whether the pitcher is righty or lefty, he has no interest in getting any hits. have you seen his splits from the right side? i’ll take gardner straight up, but after an 18 run peformance i’ll stick with the same lineup just for the heck of it! goodness!
Where’s Gardner, huh? I am starting to get sick of Girardi. He is obsessed with Betemit and still thinks Melky should be the everyday CF. Did Gardner not impress you yesterday in Center? Right when he gets his first hit you bench him, of course. And Giambi is awful as the DH, apparently you don’t know that Joe, what do you know.
I forgot to mention Gardner is great against lefties. Damn GIRARDI GOD DAMNIT MAN
“2009 lineup
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Cano 3B
Arod 3B
Betemit/Duncan 1B
Posada C
Matsui DH
Gardner CF
Melky RF”
If you think we have trouble scoring runs this year, just wait until that lineup gets out there.
I hope Melky goes 0-5 and we score 12 runs and he grounds into 2 double plays. I really hope so.
Obsessed with Betemit? Not only is Betemit finally hitting…who would you rather have DH (if Giambi is at 1b)?
I loathe Joe G.
Magnificent with the bullpen but manages the everyday lineup changes like a damn fool.
You scored 18 last night, why mess with things even if it’s a slight change.
Melky can’t hit, he stinks, get him outta hereeeeeee!
“He is obsessed with Betemit and still thinks Melky should be the everyday CF.”
Okay, complain away about Melky.
But did you even read this? “Wilson Betemit is 7 of his last 21 with four RBI”
And it will be even worse if Damon, Posada and Matsui do not stay healthy.
I’m all for giving Gardner a shot, but have I missed something in the past few games? Has Gardner done anything so far that Melky has not or can not?
“I hope Melky goes 0-5 and we score 12 runs and he grounds into 2 double plays. I really hope so.”
Spoken like a true Yankee fan right there.
I really wish you would get banned already then I wouldn’t have to scroll past your idiot posts.
“I loathe Joe G.
Magnificent with the bullpen but manages the everyday lineup changes like a damn fool.
You scored 18 last night, why mess with things even if it’s a slight change.”
It’s been posted before but the greatest yankee team of the past 20 years used 140 different lineup the year they won 114 games.
140 different lineups.
“I forgot to mention Gardner is great against lefties.”
AAA lefties
This should give an answer to all of you who thought Gardner was up to replace Melky.
He came up for Matsui and looks like he will go back down when Matsui is activated.
I hope Melky can turn it on but doesn’t seem likely given how lost he looks out there. Melky goes 0-3 and I replace with with Brett for the late innings.
Told you all Gardner wasnt playing today, you just didnt want to listen
“He came up for Matsui and looks like he will go back down when Matsui is activated.”
I heard a report earlier today – maybe it was on here – that Godzilla is not cleared for BP and will be out beyond just the 15 days.
People are so fixated on Gardner beyond all reason – I hope he does well, but not to the extent that I want to see Melky stink it up. It is just moronic.
I hope Melky goes 0-5 because maybe because I want a good CFer out there? I am shocked Gardner is not playing.
I like having Brett as an option off the bench. Close game and he can swipe some bags on Tek.
Raymagnetic, Do you really see this Yankee team winning 114 using 148 different lineups?
I am not a fan over Girardi’s lineup changes because they just don’t seem to do much for THIS team. I am also surprised that Melky is back. I hoped they would sit him for a longer period.
Watch, though, Melky will go 5-5 tonight.
if melky goes 0 for his first 2 at bats i guarantee joe g will put gardner in.
”...maybe I want a good CFer out there?”
So after three games and 1 hit Gardner is a “good outfielder” and Melky is not? That makes sense.
there are a million people who could put up melky’s poor line this year, including probably brett gardner. assuming melky has a better arm, and gardner has more range, they are a wash defensively. so if they wash defensively, gardner can get on base a measley 3/10 times or more, the difference here is gardner can RUN. this is what is so scary about gardner looking like a temp replacement for matsui, and not a full time replacement for melky. and, if gardner CAN’T do it, you put melky back in there. i don’t understand why this is complicated.
5-5 haha.
I would bet anything on that one. That’s a lot of luck.
Number18,
If you think that Girardi will replace Melky with Gardner if Melky goes 0-2 tonight, you don’t know anything about baseball. But if you’d like to make a wager on your guarantee I’ll take it.
My guess is that Girardi sees himself in Melky: Years ago when Jorge Posada came up, it was obvious to everyone that he was going to take Girardi’s job. Now he sees it happening to Melky and it’s bringing back painful memories.
MisD, I really don’t think Melky will get that many hits, but it seems like when we are ready to write some player off, they turn it on big.
Let’s be reasonable, folks. Girardi is not going to start Gardner against a lefty yet.
That means there isn’t a real good option in CF against lefties. Expect Melky to get all those starts unless Gardner really kicks it up.
In fact, against a righty, I think we’ll see Gardner in LF more oftern than in CF.
When and IF Matsui comes back, we’ll see.
I think you have to give Gardner a chance to win the CF job. Sitting him after he was part of a 18 run game makes NO SENSE.
Honestly, if Melky gets 1 hit tonight (He sucks batting righty) I will be surprised
down a run in the late innings runners on first pinch run gardner will go crazy in the basepath thats good
global warming,
100%. melky has done nothing to warrant someone else not getting a shot, and gardner has done nothing no warrant not getting a shot. 3 games is not as shot. especially as part of an 18 run outburst.
Wave Your Hat,
Melky is hitting under 200 against lefties.
“but it seems like when we are ready to write some player off, they turn it on big.”
Well than the time to turn it is now! The last time Melky got a hit, what was the price of gas?
“Raymagnetic, Do you really see this Yankee team winning 114 using 148 different lineups?”
Nope. But I think the constant complaining about the different lineups is much ado about nothing.
“I’m all for giving Gardner a shot, but have I missed something in the past few games? Has Gardner done anything so far that Melky has not or can not?”
gotten on base w/o getting a hit? worked counts? seems to me he has a plan when he gets up the plate, looks comfortable.
i’m not going to sit here and say Gardner needs to play everyday, but i think he should play 2 out of every 3 games while he’s up. i think thats fair; gives him regular ABs, while still working Melky in to see if he can get out of his funk.
“I think you have to give Gardner a chance to win the CF job. Sitting him after he was part of a 18 run game makes NO SENSE.”
Let’s remember that Bartolo Colon’s lovechild was pitching and Washington threw him to the Wolves.
Just because he was IN the lineup last night has nothing to do with tonight. He got a single last night. He didn’t get 3 hits, nor did he hit a home run or a huge double. He got a single when the game was already put away. Melky could have easily done exactly what Gardner did last night. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he does. I bet Melky goes 1-4 with a single. Gardner’s not up here to “win the CF job”. Isn’t that obvious already?
Global-
I did say there was no good option. But the Yanks are a conservative organization, at heart, and they are not going to push Gardner by having him start against lefties.
They as good as admitted that when they brought Christian up last week against the lefties instead of Gardner.
Last time Melky got a hit gas was I believe 2.90 in NY (Not 3.90, 2.90)
“I think you have to give Gardner a chance to win the CF job. Sitting him after he was part of a 18 run game makes NO SENSE.”
He had one hit and a walk in the 18 run game – it isn’t like he was the Giambino last night.
Now, if he started growing a mustache – we’d have something to talk about.
Girardi said yesterday Melky would be in center tonight. This is not news.
Gardner was not brought up here to take Melky’s job. He will be in the rotation, which is what Girardi has said the plan would be all along.
I don’t understand how people can root against their own players. The disloyalty to Melky makes me sick!
I don’t mind sitting Brett. I think he can learn a lot by taking a step back, watching the game, and being ready to pinch run. Just wish someone that wasn’t in such a bad slump was in CF.
TurnTwo,
Has he not played every game until tonight? That’s 3 out of four. He probably will play most games while he’s up.
Yes he has looked comfortable. I think he deserves a shot for playing time. But, if you read the comments here, it would seem he’s gone 7 for 9 so far.
Girardi is turning into a pathetic manager! Melky can’t hit against lefties whatsoever!
Girardi wake up please or resign!
OMG!!!!!!!!! NO Brett Gardner! Fire Joe Girardi. Did you see how he hits AAA lefties! Wasn’t Jon Lester in AAA last year. Logically, he would hit for the cycle against Lester. Maybe Girardi wants him on the bench so he can work with the players in the dugout on there scrappiness. Thats the only possibility!
Do people really expect Gardner to hit .400 and hit HRs? The point of him is IF he hits a ground ball, he can beat out double plays and then get on second. The kid will likely steal everytime he has 2nd base open. If Melkys job ISNT on the line, then I lost even more respect for Girardi
Do people really expect Gardner to hit .400 and hit HRs? The point of him is IF he hits a ground ball, he can beat out double plays and then get on second. The kid will likely steal everytime he has 2nd base open. If Melkys job ISNT on the line, then I lost even more respect for Girardi
“Or am I just angry as an old man trying to send back soup in a deli?”
now THAT is funny!
Let’s see if we can get all those milestones/club records set tonite!
D. Robertson,
Nobody expects Gardner to hit more than .300 and nobody expects him to hit HRs. But everybody is complaining that he isn’t playing tonight after starting 3 games. It isn’t like A-Rod is sitting.
I mean come on now he beats out double plays! Thats almost better than getting a hit.
Bronxbombers, I am not a regular but I felt the user name was inappropriate and distasteful.
Melky sucks would have been sufficient (and untrue)
Chris V.
Don’t joke like that…the people here will think you are serious.
Seriously …
My junk can still feel the Chris Snyder injury, and I only read about it. The berries that actually got rung weren’t even mine.
I may not be able to sleep tonight.
We better not lose tonight. They are on minimum rest,and a depleted team
“Am I the only ione that thinks that is totally, utterly disrespectful?”
not at all.
Anybody wonder what John Sterlings call for Gadner will be?
To give Melky v B-Gard a break – I thought this was interesting from Hal Steinbrenner’s interview:
As per rules in the Basic Agreement, the Yankees, like any other team opening a new stadium, are allowed a credit against revenue sharing each season to pay down debt on construction costs. The Yankees, who pay rent at the current stadium and have no operational costs, are currently the highest payee into the revenue-sharing system, having contributed approximately $100 million alone last season, Steinbrenner said.
“Boston and us are over half of the entire pool and if you throw the Mets into this, it’s over two-thirds of the entire pool,” Steinbrenner said. “You’ve got three to five teams paying the vast majority of it. There are 11 payers and 19 payees. ”
No more charity to the leeches of the MLB for a while!
I think it was obvious Gardner wasnt playing tonight. Melky was obviously pissed on the bench, and probably complained about it to Joe. not to mention this is a pivital series and Brett has never been in this type of series
True it isn’t as if ARod is sitting, but it just shows the discontent folks have for Melky.
Speaking of ARod, I came up with a brilliant strategy for his wife- instead of cheating on him with Lenny, she should hook up with Sandra Bernhard.
Girardi said that if Gardner didn’t hit, he wouldn’t play and would go back down to AAA.
Girardi is not going to put Gardner in a position to fail by having him start against lefties yet. It wouldn’t be fair to Gardner. That’s the way I see it and I bet that’s the way Girardi sees it too, at least partly.
So all you Gardner fans, just relax. It’s not his time yet. He’s here because Matsui is hurt and he’s just getting a chance to show some of what he can do.
Holy crap ANSKY!
I didn’t even hear about that until you just mentioned it. Now I wish you hadn’t!
The problem, or should I say my problem with this whole situation is that Melky is getting treated like a 10 year vet here.
In sports when you don’t perform for an extended period of time— it’s time to get challenged for your job. MELKY Cabrera has NOT performed for a year now.
This is not A-Rod, this is not Jeter, this is Melky f’n Cabrera!
What’s the deal?
The rich teams are basically paying Longoria and Kazmirs contract from the sharing
Anyone know what was up btwn A-Rod and Melky?
Lenny Kravitz said references to him as an adulterer were “extremely hurtful,” adding that Cynthia came to stay at his home “to escape from everything happening in New York City.”
Awwww..how sweet! Lenny is sensitive too!!
““Giambi will be gone next season and they will get a draft pick as compensation.â€
another surprising thing is nobody thought we would be getting any draft picks from losing him. at least a couple months ago nobody here thought so…”
To get a draft pick, you need to offer arbitration.
Not sure Yanks would do that as they may be stuck with a very high salary if he accepts. He would get at least 80% of this year salary in such a case.
They would try to work out a deal at a lower salary, if not they will let him walk.
I remember a few years ago the Yankees called up a really young center fielder for a Sox series. He had a really bad game or two – looked overwhelmed – and everybody said he’d never make it in to the bigs again. What the heck was his name?
When has Melky EVER perfomed well for more than 2 weeks?
EricVA
If I may quote former president Clinton: “Ah feel yowah pain … ”
Sterling’s HR call for Gardner:
“Wow, I didn’t know you could hit a home run from the bench.”
(Sorry, I couldn’t help myself. I love torturing Gardner lovers)
I remember a few years ago the Yankees called up a really young center fielder for a Sox series. He had a really bad game or two – looked overwhelmed – and everybody said he’d never make it in to the bigs again. What the heck was his name? – -
Bernie Williams
Joke
It was really Cecil Fielder
http://www.hotfootblog.com/2008/07/03/tidbits-tony-pena-on-mets-radar-mets-shopping-ollie/
Tony Pena could be on Mets radar this offseason.
less Melky more Gardner
“When has Melky EVER perfomed well for more than 2 weeks?”
April. Last june, july and august?
How many double plays or hard gronders to second for Jeter tonight?
D. Robertson…
I was going for Ricky Ledee…
Or Jeff Maier?
“When has Melky EVER perfomed well for more than 2 weeks?”
You mean to your high standard of 1 hit and 1 walk in 3 games? You convinced me.
“Has he not played every game until tonight? That’s 3 out of four. He probably will play most games while he’s up.”
thats exactly what i was saying. you cant expect them to just sit melky on the bench for the rest of the season.
as long as they work the rotation where gardner gets regular ABs, seems like it works out.
Oh Chris Britton is pitching well. That’s good. His seat in the bullpen was getting cold.
Jeff Maier played RF. Funny that Abreu is scared of the wall, but Maier wasnt
Oh Chris Britton is pitching well. That’s good. His seat in the bullpen was getting cold.
This is Garner’s first experience with Yaks/Sawx… not starting him might bein his best interests. Chances are neither he nor Cabrera will do much damage to Lester with the bat, so strategically Gardner’s speed on the bench gives you late inning options that Melky doesn’t.
Predicted comment from the blowhard—-
“It is low….. it is short… It… Is.. Caught by Pedrioa”
Sorry for the double post!
Maier’s catch was one of the greatest in postseason history!
No I mean as well as Gardner when he gets used to hitting ML pitchers and turns singles into being in scoring position every time. Melky sure cant do that. Well unless he plays against the Padres everyday
I have nothing against Melky but it’s time to put up or shut up _ .299, .234, .206, .000. See a trend?
1. Jeff Maiers clutch catch at the RF wall
2. Jeter flip to Posada vs the A’s
Classic Playoff moments in the field
I am ok with Gardner off against Lester. Although I fear we’ll see him in the next 84 games no matter what he’s doing. Oh yeah, and note to Joe: Gardner can bunt, so please remember: buting is for the 9th inning with the 9th place hitter (or a pinch hiter in case Melky is 0-27 by that time), swinging away is for the first innning with the 2nd hitter! Forget and it’s NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!!
“This is Garner’s first experience with Yaks/Sawx… not starting him might bein his best interests. Chances are neither he nor Cabrera will do much damage to Lester with the bat, so strategically Gardner’s speed on the bench gives you late inning options that Melky doesn’t.”
Good point!
I gotta admit, I am loving Cano coming out of the hole very quietly. Better that it isnt spoken of by Kay when he would get 3 hits and then the next game would get 0
“blind luck”
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its disgusting the Sox-Yanks talk isnt even about what is advertised SOX_YANKS talk. Its about the frigging Rays.
Haha Ellsbury is soooo bad . But if Pettitte is smart, he stays away from the midget batting 2nd. Oh and throw towards Youselis, I love watching him cry to the umps
Does Mussina or Pettitte have any shot at starting for the Yankees at the ASG or has Lee or Saunders clinched it?
David Robertson for Setup –
To actually answer your question – Melky has hit over .300 in 6 of the 14 months that he has been in the big leagues. So you notion that he has never done well on a consistent basis is not really supported by the facts.
I also think you are over valuing BG’s speed – it is fun to watch but SB’s really don’t seem to be that important a factor on the total offense’s production.
i doubt moose or pettitte has a change to start the ASG, but could make the team.
have a good weekend folks. i get to listen to the game today in the car on the radio.
Go Yankees!
chance
WOW I mean Gardner can actually hit LHP, Melky better hit w/ RISP and get on base otherwise alot of people are going to be calling for his demotion tonight. I’m sorry but Melky has been nearly invisible in this offense I would have sat him and sent him a message doing that, so Brett will PR for Betemit or Posada later in this game.
Girardi said Melky is the victim of blind luck?
Uh, Ok. It’s the old “he’s hitting the ball hard, they’re just not finding the holes’’ theory.
Here’s why Gardner is not starting:
3 Games – 10 ABs – .100 BA – .182 OBP – .100 SLG PCT
Melky: 268 Games – .268 BA – .333 OBP – .378 SLG PCT…..Better CFer.
Not great offensive stats for a CFer but better option than Gardner right now.
Most of the Blog critics had Melky AND Cano traded about 5 times last year and 20 times this year when they hit their respective slumps – where’s the patience???
JMO, but it may be that Giradi looks at the Melky/Gardner choice not on the basis of individual player stats but on the basis of who can best deliver performance in probable situations. Melky has demonstrated very poor discipline at the plate lately. Watching him swing at pitches he has to look up to hurts.
Gardner is at least more likely to take bad pitches and possibly get a BB in front of JD, the Yankee with the highest avg WRISP. Since Gardner is also far more likely to steal a base than is Melky (and also score on a Damon single), Gardner is a better option in the 9th spot than Melky at this point in time.
Not ragging on Melky, who I would love to see turn it around, but trying to see what benefits the team as it is playing today.
I really wish that Girardi would of left Gardner in the lineup against the lefty. It is another case of Girardi scared of the lefty-lefty matchup. AAA Melky is hitting a big .195 against lefties!!??!! Does he really expect him to make contact tonight. The lineup should always be Gardner LF, Damon DH, once or so a week sit Melky and play Gardner in CF. I am sick of watching Melky attempt to hit and just pop up the ball. Cashman always said that Melky has to earned his spot..well he hasn’t for the last 2 years get him out of there and put him on the bench where he belongs.
I WANT Melky to have the best July ever. Get more for him at the trade deadline
I’ll give you Melky may be a victim of bad luck. What’s Girardi’s excuse for fallling asleep at the switch with bullpen last night, or any other myriad of bone-head managerial moves? (Maybe he needs an ice cream.)
“Here’s why Gardner is not starting:
3 Games – 10 ABs – .100 BA – .182 OBP – .100 SLG PCT
Melky: 268 Games – .268 BA – .333 OBP – .378 SLG PCT…..Better CFer.
Not great offensive stats for a CFer but better option than Gardner right now.”
I assume that’s a joke, right? You just compared 10 at-bats, TEN! by Gardner to career stats for Cabrera.
So she is with him!! Why would she leave her kids at home?
The fact that Gardner hit AAA lefties fairly well does not mean he is going to hit Lester tonight at the Stadium. Let’s get real.
Gardner hasn’t hit all that well in the three games he’s been up.
Dissatisfaction with Melky doesn’t make Gardner better against lefties. Melky is our center fielder for now. You will all be happier and find better karma if you just accept it.
Lathem Joe…This is why Melky SHOULDNT be starting
0-19
Thats a bad slump.
Damn Latham, that 3 game sample size is really working wonders.
The 3 game sample size works both ways, doesn’t it?
Never has a guy who has 1 hit and 1 walk in 3 games been given so much run.
Gardner wasn’t called up to take Melky’s job.
Girardi has said time and time again Gardner would be in the 4 OF rotation as long as he is here.
It makes sense to not start him against Lester.
The Matsui stuff doesn’t sound good. Sounds like he is going to be out a long time.
I’d love to see the Yankees beat the Rays to Xavier Nady. A RH bat like Nady’s could help this team in Matsui’s absence.
Gardner has more hits and RBI than Melky has in the last 6 games. Not to mention in 3 games, he has 2 steals. That equals to a projection of 108 SBs over 162 games. If only that were a reality
/off topic/
I hope Randy is reading the mlbtraderumors chat:
What should be done by Minnesota regarding pitcher Livan Hernandez? Who would be some takers for the veteran pitcher, and what could the Twins expect in return?
3:01Salary relief at best. He should be DFA’d.
Xavier Nady? But..but..SJ..
Brett Gardner! What about him?! How can you forget about Brett? HOW COULD YOU!!!!!!
BRETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nady would really help. What do you think it would take to get him?
I think alot of Melky homers are really worried about Gardner when he gets used to the big leagues
It would take alot for the Yankees to get Nady. Any other team it would be alot easier. If you want an example of what the Yankees need to trade for now on
Carlos Gomez Deolis Guerra Philip Humer for Santana
Chien Ming Wang Ian Kennedy Melky Cabrera for Santana
How o you get out of a slump if you don’t play?
That’s true Eric, my bad! lol
Seriously though, I am a Gardner fan. You have to spot him in situations that are best for him.
Tonight against Jon Lester isn’t one of those nights, IMO.
They aren’t going to bury Melky. Really wouldn’t make much sense burying a guy while at his lowest.
Even if he isn’t in their long term plans, it makes more sense to build him back up than tear him down.
He also has played pretty well against the Red Sox in his career.
I don’t think the teams fortunes are going to rise and fall by the performance of the #9 hitter. Not tonight or not for the rest of the year.
“Nady would really help. What do you think it would take to get him?”
where is he gonna play? there isnt any room for him in the lineup.
and besides, the pirates will ask for more than what Cashman wants to pay, anyway. they wanted Tabata for Marte, so you could imagine what theyd ask for their leading RBI man.
There you go Rebecca, asking those good questions again! lol
How dare you derail the Brett Gardner Express!
They have to get Melky going. Who knows, maybe the Red Sox will bring out the good Melky in him.
Cano getting out of his slump is one thing. He’s a much better hitter than Melky and he can he can make his own luck.
“How o you get out of a slump if you don’t play?”
When a team needs wins the best thing for a slump is to sit the person until there are easier games
Lets all think of the bright side. Gardner could be this years Brian Roberts off the bench(with the sox). Great weapon in late innings of a tight game.
Sorry meant Dave Roberts.
Cano-Career .316 (or something like that) hitter
Melky-.260 hitter
Melky is at .240 right now, he is closing in on being comfortable for the rest of the season
If Matsui misses the rest of the season, which is the rumor, it opens up a spot for Nady.
I don’t know what it would take to get him but it would cost less than it would cost to get Sabathia.
He’s #1 on the Rays Hit List. Would be interested to see how deep Tampa would go into their system to get him.
You know, if Matsui is injured for a long time, there is a part-time outfielder/power bat that would come for league minimum…
(And I don’t mean Shelly Duncan!)
Sorry to break it to you SJ, but Sabathia > Nady…
“When a team needs wins the best thing for a slump is to sit the person until there are easier games”
If you have a better option. It’s not clear that the Yankees do. They have another option.
Let’s be clear…Melky has been streaky, but HAS had multiple-month-long streaks of quality hitting at the major league level. Brett Gardner has no such track record.
“What’s Girardi’s excuse for fallling asleep at the switch with bullpen last night, or any other myriad of bone-head managerial moves?”
I don’t think that Girardi fell asleep at all. He was desperately trying to get Ponson through all or a good part of the 6th because the bullpen has been overextended since the Pittsburgh Series. Besides his HOF Closer,Girardi has 3 relatively inexperienced late inning guys (Ramirez,Veras,Robertson) 1 inconsistent late inning guy (Farnsy) who loses velocity in back to back appearances, 1 Long guy (Geise) and…..Hawkins!
And no lefty in the BP so Teams (like Texas) can stack 2-3-4 lefty hitters in a row.
No starter has gone past 6 innings in the last week.
So its obvious Sabathia will demand more players, but would be alot more worth it for a team without a 4 OR 5 pitcher.
““It’s a possibility,†said Girardi, which is his way of saying “Absolutely.—
By nature Girardi is positive thinking guy.
He is hoping for the best.
Nobody knows if he absolutely needs surgery. It is purley speculation on your part.
In the case of Bruney same thing happened. Girardi was beaten up for not saying surgery was needed. What happened? Bruney did not have the season ending surgery and he is expected back by August.
“I don’t know what it would take to get him but it would cost less than it would cost to get Sabathia.”
except starting pitching is what this team needs, not offense.
if this team cant score with the lineup they currently have 1-7, they arent going to win anyway.
Xavier Nady is not going to win the division or the Wild Card for the Yankees.
SJ: I’ve been watching too many SVU reruns. I’m learning to ask the good questions
Seriously, though, as fun as Gardner is to watch, do you really want to start Gardner against the Sox when a) he’s got one hit in ten at bats, and b) Melky NEEDS to break out of his slump?
At any rate, you’ve still got Gardner on the bench.
“where is he gonna play? there isnt any room for him in the lineup.
and besides, the pirates will ask for more than what Cashman wants to pay, anyway. they wanted Tabata for Marte, so you could imagine what theyd ask for their leading RBI man.”
Uhh, RF? LF? DDH? That’s on the assumption Matsui could be out for a long time.
As to the rest, SJ was advocating it. I liked the idea, and was interested in what he thought the Yanks would have to pay.
The problem is, you assume Brett Gardner is ready for these games and will just be better than Melky in them because you think that will be the case.
Fans like uncertainty. Managers are more drawn to certainty.
Melky has always played well against the Red Sox. Folks are so down on him right now, they conveinently forget that fact.
Lester vs. Gardner is not a good matchup. Please don’t quote Gardner’s AAA stats vs. lefties to me. They are irrelvelent.
He has never faced a lefty as good as Lester.
You put the kid in situations where he can perform best.
Throwing him out there tonight against the Red Sox isn’t one of those situations.
Let’s be honest, he faced the worst pitching staff in baseball for 3 days and got one hit.
I’d like to see the kid do well but, let’s not get overboard with what we saw for 3 days.
We saw a fast kid against an awful pitching staff. A far cry from the Red Sox.
All issues aside…if Matsui were out for the rest of the year, I could imagine:
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
ARod 3B
Bonds DH
Giambi 1B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Gardner is not Dave Roberts. He’s not coming off the bench. They’re going to play this kid everyday, otherwise he’s going to be sent back down so that he can play everyday. Only if we make the playoffs could this kid make the roster for such a role. Even then, he might be in the starting lineup.
I thought they would st Melky tonight against a lefty…
Gardner will definitely play this weekend…
“If you have a better option. It’s not clear that the Yankees do. They have another option.
Let’s be clear…Melky has been streaky, but HAS had multiple-month-long streaks of quality hitting at the major league level. Brett Gardner has no such track record.”
GARDNER HAS BEEN UP 3 DAYS!!! He hasnt been up a month. Yeah he is 1/12, but has gotten on base 4 or 5 times. And Melky is 0 for his last 19
“Uhh, RF? LF? DDH? That’s on the assumption Matsui could be out for a long time.”
Abreu currently plays RF, Damon currently plays LF. Giambi and Posada share the DH while Matsui is out.
so who are you sitting in that group to play Xavier Nady?
If Gardner’s not going to start in these games against Boston, he may as well be sent down. He needs to play everyday.
If PITT asks for one of the Rays best MiL arms (excluding Price) if you are the Rays do you give this up for Nady?
EricVa, its time to come with grips that Cashman is not signing Barry Bonds. i know, itd be a sexy, and logical, move, but its not gonna happen.
TurnTwo,
I think the assumption is that Damon slides to center and Nady plays left.
Oh I know they aren’t signing Bonds…
Just saying it’d be an interesting lineup.
yankee21, I wouldn’t give up one of my best MiL arms for Nady. Bay would be a different story.
the Yankees are not signing Bonds. No way. If they did sign him now, the soonest he’d be able to play is mid-late August.
Any upside to a possible Bonds signing is drowned out by how long it’d take him to get ready…not to mention his personal baggage.
Nobody is debating who is the better player. As usual, you miss the point.
The Yankees aren’t trading A List prospects to rent CC Sabathia.
They don’t have to give up A List prospects to get Xavier Nady.
Get it now?
Yes, Sabathia is the better player. He is, at least from the Yankees side of things, less accessible to obtain without giving up significant parts.
“I think the assumption is that Damon slides to center and Nady plays left.”
and thats not happening, either. Damon isnt a full time CFer.
more from mlbtr chat:
“3:53[Comment From Relief Pitcher’s Union]
Which of us will be the biggest name to be traded, and where will he be going?
3:54Fuentes, Yankees.
BBFan,
I’m not going by what Girardi is saying when it comes to Matsui.
“Just saying it’d be an interesting lineup.”
absolutely. i wish it were something they wouldve thought about a month and a half ago.
Girardi knows what he is doing with Melky. Sure he is struggling for a long time. Girardi’s trust in him will work and soon he will get out of his funk, just like Cano, Giambi and Damon.
If the whining arm chair pundits here had the power, by now Yanks would have DFAd Damon, Giambi and Cano and many more.
Regardin Gardner, Girardi is doing his best to put him in situation to succeed in the early going of his career. If the game is close in the late innings, expect him to be a pinch runner and be the difference maker.
Whew.Kennedy and he’s almost 9 Era is ready to save this team.Now we will have 6 staters who can’t get past the 5 inning withour giving up 4 walks and 100 pitches.
Lets just do some simple math here
These are assumptions
Wang- 7 more years
Chamberlain-15 more years
Hughes-15 more years
that leaves 2 spots
Kennedy
Horne
Karstens
Marquez
McCutchen
Betances
Heredia
Del La Rosa
Acevas
Garcia
McCallister
Pope
Last time I checked that is more than 2. And im positive im missing some. Send Half of them for Sabathia (overexaggeration) and we still have a good selection for 1 spot in the next 7-10 years. It would likely take 2 or 3 of them + Melky
Hopefully Ian Kennedy’s route to Scranton gets detoured to Cleveland.
“Yeah he is 1/12, but has gotten on base 4 or 5 times.”
Or…he’s been on twice.
I know Gardner has only been up three days. But, my point is that you’re just looking at something different and assuming it’ll be better.
That is just ridiculous.
They need another bat in this lineup. The offense is too inconsistent and the most telling part of what Hank said yesterday was Cashman’s feeling about the team.
He (Cashman) told Hank he has been worried about the offense all year. Cashman will be looking for a bat at the deadline, as well as another pitcher, IMO.
May not be Nady but, it will be somebody. Especially if Matsui is gone for most if not the rest of the season.
Oh man D. Rob. Those are some awesome assumptions. Now lets assume that about 1 in 10 pitching prospects pan out to be effective #3’s. So, I’d say we need to keep a bunch.
Walks, plus the hit, plus breaking up 2 double plays = 5 or 6 times. Thanks for trying though Whozwhat
Actually 1+1+2=4 not 5 or 6 last time i checked.
“Oh man D. Rob. Those are some awesome assumptions. Now lets assume that about 1 in 10 pitching prospects pan out to be effective #3’s. So, I’d say we need to keep a bunch.”
Sabathia
Chamberlain
Wang
Hughes
All we would need is a #5. And your forgetting about Free Agency. You act like were clearing out the farm if we trade for Sabathia. Were still a top 10 farm system if we make that trade
“These are assumptions
Wang- 7 more years
Chamberlain-15 more years
Hughes-15 more years”
What color is the sky in the world you live in?
“Actually 1+1+2=4 not 5 or 6 last time i checked.”
Didnt he walk twice? I might be wrong. but 4 times is 4 more times than Melky. If Melky grounded a ball to the SS, its a taylor made DP, with Gardner, your still etting someone on base
“They need another bat in this lineup. The offense is too inconsistent and the most telling part of what Hank said yesterday was Cashman’s feeling about the team.”
where they inserting another bat into this lineup?
you are locked into positions with most of these guys.
unless someone else gets hurt, or someone is included in a trade, you can only upgrade offensively in CF or 1B, assuming Posada is catching everyday and Giambi just DHs.
catching Posada is not in the best interest of this team.
you want to tell me they are going to trade for an offensive upgrade in CF? fine.
otherwise, you cant fit another bat in there, unless you get really, really creative, and you compromise other parts of the team to do so.
What color is the sky in the world you live in?
So you cant see Chamberlain here until hes 38?
or Hughes here until 37?
or Wang until 35?
Oh! Now I see. I didn’t realize that we signed Sabathia for next year.
Who was that last free agent starter that was supposed to bolster our rotation? I forget his name… Haven’t seen him in a while.
Isn’t the problem this year that we don’t have enough pitching depth? And you want to go with only five pitchers?
“Walks, plus the hit, plus breaking up 2 double plays”
I’m not going to give a guy credit for hitting into a fielder’s choice.
catching Posada is not in the best interest of this team.
**i should add everyday.
I didnt know teams opened the season with 6 starting pitchers?
“So you cant see Chamberlain here until hes 38?
or Hughes here until 37?
or Wang until 35?”
no, no, and no.
“I’m not going by what Girardi is saying when it comes to Matsui.”
SJ,
You may be right, but there is no reason to second guess every thing Girardi says. In fact, there is only one beat writer who continues to do that day in day out
If there is any thing, Girardi was right on number of occasions and the second guessing media guys were wrong.
I already gave the Bruney example.
The other one was when Joba has a strained groin (? do not remeber exactly if it was groin?), Girardi said day to day. Ours truly insinuated Girardi that he was not telling the truth. What happens – Joba pitches in two days.
Unfortunately, this kind of nonsense is happening again and again. What a shame.
Oooh…
How many no hitters does 38 year old Joba have?
How many Cy Youngs does 37 year old Hughes have?
I like this game!
“where they inserting another bat into this lineup?”
If Matsui is out as DH, that leaves more time in corner of positions and 1B as Damon, Abreu and Giambi DH more. Or at DH itself.
Lets just say a miracle happens and
Horne
Cox
Acevas
Melky
+ Cash
gets Sabathia. Is our Farm system depleted?
Why do No hitters and CY Youngs matter? Having Mussina and Pettitte prove my point
Horne has been injured and has shown nothing yet this year.
Cox is doing well.
Acevas has pitched in the minors for three months.
Melky…well…why would Cleveland want an average CF with no bat when they have Sizemore?
“If Matsui is out as DH, that leaves more time in corner of positions and 1B as Damon, Abreu and Giambi DH more. Or at DH itself.”
i just dont see Girardi and Cashman getting that creative.
Because Horne has a high ceiling.
Cox, well you said it
Acevas, ok alot of pitchers come from the minors sometime right?
Melky can play LF or RF too cant he?
One question that needs to be answered? Why does Brett Gardner need to play everyday? Are they really stunting his development? He is 25(almost) and he projects to a 4th outfielder at best. What’s the harm in him being a 4th or 5th outfielder on this team and a valuable pinch runner sacrifice bunter. It’s not like if Brett Gardner doesn’t play everyday he won’t reach his potential. He has just about reached his potential.
“where they inserting another bat into this lineup?
you are locked into positions with most of these guys.
unless someone else gets hurt, or someone is included in a trade, you can only upgrade offensively in CF or 1B, assuming Posada is catching everyday and Giambi just DHs.
catching Posada is not in the best interest of this team.
you want to tell me they are going to trade for an offensive upgrade in CF? fine.
otherwise, you cant fit another bat in there, unless you get really, really creative, and you compromise other parts of the team to do so.”
It is politically dicey, but if you look at it objectively, SS should be thrown into the mix as well. Jeter is no where close to what he used to be. It was amazing how many times A-Rod led an inning in the last two games and he got nothing to hit. Obviously, Abrue was also part of the problem in this case.
Just so you know, sometimes the point of a trade isnt for immediate action, especially for a team in last place. The Twins only got 1 ML ready player for Santana
to step away from the batting worries, I’m a little worried about our pitching tonight. Some of the socks have INSANE numbers against pettite.
Look at the Bedard trade for an example.
I’m guessing Cleveland starts by asking for Cano and Jackson.
Oh, I forgot to add Kennedy to that trade
Horne
Kennedy
Cox/Acevas
Melky
for Santana
Take a look at the Brewers AA team before you talk about who the Yankees can afford to give up for CC and you will see why the Indians have been all over that team for a month.
No team in minor league team in baseball has more major league calibur prospects on it and the Brewers owner thinks he can win this year.
Your trade offer wouldn’t even get a return call from Mark Shapiro.
You want Sabathia? Be prepared to start with Hughes and AJax. That’s the calibur of prospect Shapiro is looking for and the Brewers have several of those guys on their AA team.
BBFan,
Girardi also said yesterday Matsui had a “great day” and was “looking forward to him taking BP on Thursday”.
Those plans are now gone.
Its not a rip on Girardi, who is a glass half full guy. Nothing wrong with that.
Several people with the Yankees think its a long term injury.
Hopefully, they are wrong.
Either way, he’s going to be out for awhile. We just don’t know how long “awhile” is yet.
“Lets just say a miracle happens and
Horne
Cox
Acevas
Melky
+ Cash
gets Sabathia. Is our Farm system depleted?”
That would be a miracle of miracle. Cash will say “yes” in NY minute. It will not deplete our farm at all.
“It is politically dicey, but if you look at it objectively, SS should be thrown into the mix as well. Jeter is no where close to what he used to be.”
i understand what you’re saying, but its just unrealistic.
I sure love the ultimate negative Yankee fan SJ
“Jorge Tabata–
Will you share with me what you are smoking?
Betemit/Duncan at 1B? Which Duncan…Shelley, or Eric?”
One can only hope and pray that he meant Chris Duncan.
Teixeira & Nady 2009!!!
D. Rob.
Being realistic is not the same as being negative.
Just once I’d like to see a pitcher drill Youkilis in the knees to stop that goofy springing up and down when he sets his stance in the batter’s box.
I seriously doubt the Brewers can resign Sabathia, so why would they trade their farm away to make a run at a very dominant Cubs and very surprising Cardinals, just to lose out. Sabathia doesnt make the Brewers a great team, it makes them a pretty good NL team
“Being realistic is not the same as being negative.”
exactly.
“Being realistic is not the same as being negative.”
I would say him saying were basically eliminated yesterday makes him negative
I still say bring in a Derik Lowe or a Burnett. Lets not give everything to get a 2 monthe rental. If you still insist on getting an Ace. Maybe look at a “healthy” Sheets. I would think he would cost much less as a rental than C.C. Could be wrong.
“I seriously doubt the Brewers can resign Sabathia, so why would they trade their farm away to make a run at a very dominant Cubs and very surprising Cardinals, just to lose out. Sabathia doesnt make the Brewers a great team, it makes them a pretty good NL team”
their goal wouldnt be to resign him, but to win.
Sabathia and Sheets prob make the best 1-2 combo in the NL the way they are both pitching right now.
they have plenty of offense to make a run, too.
you have to understand, the Brewers havent really won in a logn time, and figuring that Sheets is prob going after this season, they’re gonna go for it now rather than expect to contend again next season w/o him.
“i understand what you’re saying, but its just unrealistic.”
I 100% agree with you.
However, when Jeter’s contract comes up two and half years from now, it will be ugly. They will not offer him any thing close to what Rivera or Posada got as his skills will diminish further and will be easily replaceable (Forget about the intangibles).
Sabathia going to the Brewers would be best case scenario… gets him out of the NL, to a team that has a very little chance of signing him, so we could get him as a FA if we wanted to.
If he goes to the Sox, Cubs, Dodgers…. then chances are they re-sign him to a mega deal at the end of the year because they have the money and lure to do so.
“I seriously doubt the Brewers can resign Sabathia, so why would they trade their farm away to make a run at a very dominant Cubs and very surprising Cardinals”
It doesn’t matter what you think. It matters what their office, and their owner, thinks. If their owner thinks they can do it…they’ll make the trade. And it’d be hard for me to say that Sabathia and Sheets don’t make them scary in a short series.
And the Cardinals are smoke and mirrors. The Cubs are legit, though.
Blind Luck? Melky Sucks!
Lowe is a guy i expect Cashman to target, if available. but if the dodgers are still in it, i dont see him going anywhere.
the fact that the brewers are in on Sabathia talks means they have no interest in moving Sheets at all.
AJ Burnett would never be traded to the Yankees from Toronto.
“I would say him saying were basically eliminated yesterday makes him negative”
They DID just manage to not win series against the Reds, Pirates and Rangers. That’s not a very strong statement.
“Joe Girardi said that Hideki Matsui has not responded well to physical therapy on his knee and will not be able to take BP this weekend. It appears he will be out until after the break at the earliest. It’s apparent that he will need surgery, if not now then after the season. “It’s a possibility,†said Girardi, which is his way of saying “Absolutely.†”
Sucks about Matsui..
We are gonna need another bat…
“It is politically dicey, but if you look at it objectively, SS should be thrown into the mix as well. Jeter is no where close to what he used to be.â€
I agree that Jeter has regressed somewhat. But if the Red Sox can win a World Championship with Lugo at ss, Jeter playing short with an improved starting staff would be just fine for 2 more years.
“They will not offer him any thing close to what Rivera or Posada got as his skills will diminish further and will be easily replaceable (Forget about the intangibles).”
this is where you are dead wrong. they arent going to hang Jeter out to dry over contract negotiations.
no matter what you think he’s worth, the yankees have paid ARod, and theyve paid Posada and Mo, and they will pay Jeter accordingly.
they wont embarrass the captain.
“this is where you are dead wrong. they arent going to hang Jeter out to dry over contract negotiations.”
That’s stupid. ARod still has many productive years in him. Jeter is younger than Jorge and already not as good a hitter. When he can’t play SS anymore, he’ll have no value.
I would rather skip C.C.and see what it would take to get a legit bat like Holliday. Then we wouldnt have to re-sign Abreu.
“That’s stupid.”
That’d be stupid of them, is more what I meant. Jeter will be what, 37? He’s probably going to be a below-average bat by that point, and almost certainly a below-average defender.
“ee what it would take to get a legit bat like Holliday. ”
With his over-inflated Coors numbers and poor D?
Boo.
“this is where you are dead wrong. they arent going to hang Jeter out to dry over contract negotiations.â€
I cant see Jeter playing in a few years if he knows he no longer has it. He wont pull a Bernie on us and hold the team hostage.
whozat,
Havnt looked at the splits. But are you saying that you would rather have Abreu next year than Holliday? I mentioned him because Colorado is going no where and i thought they were looking to unload him about a month ago.
The Brewers wouldn’t have to deplete their farm system to do a CC deal. They are loaded in their farm system.
If they let CC (if they got him) and Sheets go at the end of the season, they get 4 draft picks back in return to re-stock an already loaded farm system.
I’m not being negative. I am talking about making realistic baseball trades.
If you want to act like a 10 year old fanboy, nobody here is going to stop you.
But, if you post gibberish, which you have done for the past two days, you are going to get called on it.
If discussing baseball in realistic terms is too much for you, I’m sorry. That’s what this blog has been all about since Day One and its not changing now.
The Yankees aren’t going to trade for CC Sabathia. The sooner you understand that, you will actually learn some things about how the business of the game is conducted in this blog.
Mark Shapiro has said publicly he wants quality and not quantity if he is to deal CC.
Giving up all of the Yankees B-B+ prospects is precisely the kind of deal Shapiro has said he won’t do.
Sorry if you think that’s being negative. In my world, its called being realistic.
“this is where you are dead wrong. they arent going to hang Jeter out to dry over contract negotiations.
no matter what you think he’s worth, the yankees have paid ARod, and theyve paid Posada and Mo, and they will pay Jeter accordingly.
they wont embarrass the captain.”
You have to remember that Jeter already had his 10 year rich deal. Rivera and Posada never had one and also they were at the top of thier game when they became free agents last year. And A-Rod came of his best year. Also, all of them had leverage that other teams were prepared to sign them for huge contracts. Unless, Jeter turns the age clock back and has great walk year, other teams won’t be going after him.
Look, if your skills are dimished, you have to accept a deal consistent with what you can contribute to the team. It is not an embarassment. You think O’Niel was embarassed when he accepted one year deal for something like 7mil (with deferred money)?
Jeter is going anywhere except with the NY Yankees.
This isn’t Rotisserie Baseball where you trade players at the drop of a hat…or is that stat?
Talk about Defensive liabilities, Does the name Jorge Posada ring a bell?
Watching him throw is painful – he looks like vintage NY Met Mike Piazza! Hell, Jose’ Molina would have a field day stealing 2nd against Jorge right now!
If Posada shows any defensive skills at 1B, that will be his future, first base and DH.
I think the next 6 days will tell Cashman a lot about whether he should push for a big trade this year or use smaller ones to fill small holes.
“You think O’Niel was embarassed when he accepted one year deal for something like 7mil (with deferred money)?”
Im guessing that they promissed to retire his number if he signed that deal. Phych!!
DRFS, you talked about Gardner getting on base 4-5 times in the past 3 games, but, you weren’t completely honest. he had a hit and a walk. Any other time he got on base was because he forced the runner in front of him. Not exactly getting the job done, is it? You keep harping that it’s unfair to compare Cabrera’s numbers against Gardner’s because Gardner has less than 15 plate appearances, but, then you turn around and say how much better Gardner is because he played in a winning game? Appears you want to use the same stats to say different things. Right now, the only advantage that Gardner has over Cabrera is disruptive speed. The problem is, he hasn’t been on base enough to use it.
Wait…are we talking about Gardner again? That was SO two hours ago.
Damn…I’ve been sitting here for two hours!
Getting CC out of the AL for a period of time also has its own value
Do the Cubs have the pieces for viable offers to Shapiro?
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