Comments on: The ‘stache is proving to be pretty durable http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:52:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: tim boat http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/comment-page-1/#comment-421254 tim boat Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:55:19 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/#comment-421254 FAMOUS MOUSTACHES: http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/news/celebrity/ny-famousmustaches-pg,0,5919562.photogallery FAMOUS MOUSTACHES:
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]]> By: 86w183 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/comment-page-1/#comment-421108 86w183 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:23:28 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/#comment-421108 Ed is right about the contract rules... best chance to keep Giambi is payoff the $ 5 mill and offer him something in the $ 8-10 range, nothing more. There will be a very limited market for him at age 38. Abreu is younger and will want more $$$ and more years and I wouldn't do either. The free agent OF market next year is awful, unless you want togivew Vlad $ 100 mill, so someone will have to be pursued in the trade market. I am a Teixiera advocate because I love great defense and he would not only dramatically improve the defense a 1B.. he makes 2B, 3B and SS better as well and that makes your pitching better. If you have Tex and Giambi you might be able to get by with a combo of Damon, Matsui, Gardner and Cabrera in the outfield... a Nady or Guillen in RF would be a real plus. Ed is right about the contract rules… best chance to keep Giambi is payoff the $ 5 mill and offer him something in the $ 8-10 range, nothing more. There will be a very limited market for him at age 38. Abreu is younger and will want more $$$ and more years and I wouldn’t do either.

The free agent OF market next year is awful, unless you want togivew Vlad $ 100 mill, so someone will have to be pursued in the trade market.

I am a Teixiera advocate because I love great defense and he would not only dramatically improve the defense a 1B.. he makes 2B, 3B and SS better as well and that makes your pitching better. If you have Tex and Giambi you might be able to get by with a combo of Damon, Matsui, Gardner and Cabrera in the outfield… a Nady or Guillen in RF would be a real plus.

]]> By: stanzy http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/comment-page-1/#comment-421069 stanzy Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:08:02 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/#comment-421069 Was at the game last night. Guess I picked a good night to go. Grand slam stroke: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mccpics/2633964939/in/set-72157605962461813/ Was at the game last night. Guess I picked a good night to go.

Grand slam stroke: http://www.flickr.com/photos/m.....962461813/

]]> By: DJ http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/comment-page-1/#comment-421060 DJ Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:04:35 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/#comment-421060 Plus The 'Stache doesnt want to play anywhere else he wants to be here and he has said so before, no one else will be offering him anywhere near that kind of money. Plus The ‘Stache doesnt want to play anywhere else he wants to be here and he has said so before, no one else will be offering him anywhere near that kind of money.

]]> By: DJ http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/comment-page-1/#comment-421055 DJ Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:03:09 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/#comment-421055 We will not be getting any draft picks from the 'Stache. I am pretty sure that if you offer arbitration and the player accepts his yearly salary can only decrease like 10%, meaning at a minimum Giambi would be making 18 million, which is just insane. The yankees will opt out of the last year of Giambi's contract (giving him something like 4 million) and then sign him to a one year deal for say 8-10 million. The yankees do not want to be giving a 38 year old, who is has had his fair share of injuries, and troubles in the last few years 18 or 20 million to play 1st base part-time (we will be looking for a better option see: Mark Texeria), and part-time DH. Giambi is valueable to the yanks just not at that price. It is in the yankees best interest to opt out, not offer arb, and sign him to a cheaper deal, because then they dont just save 5-8 million on his deal they save another 6-8 million they spend in luxury tax for a grand total of 12-16 million in all. We will not be getting any draft picks from the ‘Stache. I am pretty sure that if you offer arbitration and the player accepts his yearly salary can only decrease like 10%, meaning at a minimum Giambi would be making 18 million, which is just insane. The yankees will opt out of the last year of Giambi’s contract (giving him something like 4 million) and then sign him to a one year deal for say 8-10 million. The yankees do not want to be giving a 38 year old, who is has had his fair share of injuries, and troubles in the last few years 18 or 20 million to play 1st base part-time (we will be looking for a better option see: Mark Texeria), and part-time DH. Giambi is valueable to the yanks just not at that price. It is in the yankees best interest to opt out, not offer arb, and sign him to a cheaper deal, because then they dont just save 5-8 million on his deal they save another 6-8 million they spend in luxury tax for a grand total of 12-16 million in all.

]]> By: Wave Your Hat http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/comment-page-1/#comment-421032 Wave Your Hat Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:50:48 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/#comment-421032 bb77- My guess is, if the Yanks don't lock The 'Stache up by exercising his option, Giambi will be able to get a multi-year deal somewhere, so I don't think the Yanks will be able to bargain with him. They did with Moose, though, so maybe. My other guess is, this time next year, Teixera will have the second richest contract in baseball. Can the Yanks afford that? bb77-

My guess is, if the Yanks don’t lock The ‘Stache up by exercising his option, Giambi will be able to get a multi-year deal somewhere, so I don’t think the Yanks will be able to bargain with him. They did with Moose, though, so maybe.

My other guess is, this time next year, Teixera will have the second richest contract in baseball. Can the Yanks afford that?

]]> By: Ed http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/comment-page-1/#comment-421023 Ed Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:47:47 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/#comment-421023 If the Yankees let Giambi go, they're not getting draft picks. They'd have to offer him arbitration to get picks. Arbitration rules say a player's salary can't be cut more than 20% from the previous season. '08 salary - $21 million '09 option - $22 million '09 buyout - $5 million So, if the Yankees decline Giambi's option and then he accepts arbitration, the minimum they'd be paying him for next season is: $21 million * 80% + $5 million = $21.8 million I think the odds are EXTREMELY likely that Giambi would accept arbitration if the Yankees offered it, so the Yankees won't offer it. They might as well just pick up his option at that point, as they'd only save 1% by declining it. If the Yankees let Giambi go, they’re not getting draft picks. They’d have to offer him arbitration to get picks. Arbitration rules say a player’s salary can’t be cut more than 20% from the previous season.

’08 salary – $21 million
’09 option – $22 million
’09 buyout – $5 million

So, if the Yankees decline Giambi’s option and then he accepts arbitration, the minimum they’d be paying him for next season is:

$21 million * 80% + $5 million = $21.8 million

I think the odds are EXTREMELY likely that Giambi would accept arbitration if the Yankees offered it, so the Yankees won’t offer it. They might as well just pick up his option at that point, as they’d only save 1% by declining it.

]]> By: LadyBug626 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/comment-page-1/#comment-421021 LadyBug626 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:47:22 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/#comment-421021 Wave, you make a good point but Big G's revival at the plate is more than just the 'stache. It is a contract year, and players always miraculously find their Babe Ruth side when its a contract year. The problem with G is that his body of work in NY just doesn't justify another multi-year deal. Also, with so many players waiting in the wings in the minors, I think his time is up. He's been great for this team over the years, but you gotta let a ship sail. Wave, you make a good point but Big G’s revival at the plate is more than just the ‘stache. It is a contract year, and players always miraculously find their Babe Ruth side when its a contract year.

The problem with G is that his body of work in NY just doesn’t justify another multi-year deal. Also, with so many players waiting in the wings in the minors, I think his time is up. He’s been great for this team over the years, but you gotta let a ship sail.

]]> By: TL http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/comment-page-1/#comment-421016 TL Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:46:42 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/#comment-421016 As for the draft pick, it's not as cut and dried as it was with Vizcaino. That was a no brainer. He doesn't let Giambi walk without a viable option for just a comp pick. As for the draft pick, it’s not as cut and dried as it was with Vizcaino. That was a no brainer. He doesn’t let Giambi walk without a viable option for just a comp pick.

]]> By: Wave Your Hat http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/comment-page-1/#comment-421012 Wave Your Hat Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:44:01 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/03/the-stache-is-proving-to-be-pretty-durable/#comment-421012 Old Goat- I hear you on that. It's going to put the Yanks in a tough spot for sure. Guisseppe- As to Cash's views, I suspect the old saying of "then was then and now is now" may have some applicability. I would have agreed with you as late as mid-May. If Giambi keeps up what he has been doing since the end of April, though, I suspect Cashman may have a change of heart or be tempted to. A lot will depend on whether they think they can land Teixera for a price they are willing to pay. Old Goat-

I hear you on that. It’s going to put the Yanks in a tough spot for sure.

Guisseppe-

As to Cash’s views, I suspect the old saying of “then was then and now is now” may have some applicability.

I would have agreed with you as late as mid-May. If Giambi keeps up what he has been doing since the end of April, though, I suspect Cashman may have a change of heart or be tempted to.

A lot will depend on whether they think they can land Teixera for a price they are willing to pay.

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