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Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 07, 2008 
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The Yankees have a lot of faith in Brett Gardner and that faith was rewarded last night during a 5-4 victory against the Red Sox.
Johnny Damon is on the DL for the first time. This notebook also has updates on Jose Molina and Joba Chamberlain.
Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez and Mariano Rivera are All-Stars. Jason Giambi still has a shot while Mike Mussina reacted well to being snubbed.
Rick Carpiniello looks at the All-Star teams and wonder why Ken Griffey Jr. isn’t headed to the Stadium.
Griffey is not having a good year, so what business does he have at the all-star game?? Guys like Ludwick or McClouth shouldn’t get jobbed out of the game because people feel sympathetic for the old dude who doesn’t have it anymore.
Umm because hes Griffey? Like Bonds, he deserves to be there every year. If not starting, at least be chosen by the manager just to show his face. Its not like everyone plays anyway.
This whole thing isnt over yet, players pull out all the time, whether they cant do it, dont want to do it, or are too hurt to do it.
Griffey is playing like crap this year. Why should a more deserving player lose his spot for him? Go ahead and put Randy Johnson on the roster then if that’s how you do things.
Griffey aint getting in regardless of how many pull out. Here are the reason why: Burrell, C. Lee, Hart, Rowand, D. Lee, Bay. And that list can go on for a while. Griffey’s only chance was fan vote.
Deserving to be in, doesnt mean anything. Does Fukudome deserve to be in? No. But if Varitek is on the team for his veteranship and leadership then why doesnt Griffey deserve to be?
Guess who’s on the front page?
http://www.nydailynews.com/img.....e_0707.jpg
On the flip side, The POST looks at an upcoming tell-all-book by Madonna’s brother:
Varitek wasn’t picked because of his veteranness and leadership. He was picked because the idiot players voted for him.
Griffey doesn’t belong. And Varitek definitely doesn’t belong. But that has absolutely nothing to do with whether Griffey should be on the team or not.
And Fukudome was voted in. He doesn’t deserve to be there either. But him and Ichiro and pedroia are examples of people winning popularity contests when they shouldn’t have been the starters.
Once again, griffey couldn’t even get in that way. And his performance doesn’t merit getting selected over more deserving players that also weren’t voted in like Burrel or Wright, etc.
Guess who’s on the front page?
http://www.nydailynews.com/img.....e_0707.jpg
On the flip side, The POST looks at an upcoming tell-all-book by Madonna’s brother:
I dont know why, and dont want to know why, but you sure hate Griffey.
I don’t hate him. But I do want the players who have played the best in 2008 to get in the game. Why do you confuse that philosophy for hatred of another player?
If you want Griffey in the game, then you must also be pissed that Maddux and The Big Unit aren’t in the game, right? All 3 players will go down as some of the greatest players of all time. So if you have no problems with Maddux or Johnson not being there, you should understand why Griffey doesn’t belong either.
Remember, this game determines home field advantage in the world series. The NL owes it to its teams to field the very best team right now, not guys who had their best years a decade ago.
It’s very simple. If Griffey were one of the best 6 or 7 outfielders in the NL this year, then I would definitely want him in the game. But he doesn’t even crack the top 10, so he doesn’t belong this year. Maybe next year he’ll do better and earn his spot again.
Cant you just say all of this in 1 post? Gather your ideas, and then say something.
Is that the best reply you can come up with? Have you given up on the Griffey argument? Too bad, it was just getting fun.
First you randomly mention that Reyes and Wright deserve to be on the NL team
Now you would rather see the NL have the better team?
You say your not a Mets fan, but its seems clear you may be, either that, or at least a closet Met fan.
You do know the game counts right? We want the AL to win. The worse the players are on the NL team, the better chance we have
I am looking at this from an unbiased point of view. I want the best players to play for both teams.
So the best you can do to argue for Griffey now is to state that it would make the NL team worse? Nice.
Griffey is batting .240 this year with a .750 OPS. Does this really srceam out “All-Star” to you? It isn’t much more impressive than Varitek’s line, especially for an outfielder.
Any why do you still think I’m a Mets fan? Because I asserted that a Mets player is more deserving than Miguel Tejad? I also said Brandon Phillips was more deserving. Does that make me a Reds fan too? Boy, you jump to conclusions very quickly. It is not surprising at all that they are incorrect conclusions.
And you still have no response for justifying why a guy like Griffey deserves to be in there but not Maddux or Johnson.
Because Pitching you use. You can have Griffey there just as name sake and have him sit the whole game or get an at bat that doesnt matter. But what were to happen if Maddux or Johnson gave up a HR and the game ended 1-0? Griffey is doing better than Varitek, thats my excuse. Griffey also just hit his 600th HR, and his father was a pretty good Yankee in his day. Not to mention the who George vs Ken Griffey in the dugout BS. Griffey has been great to baseball, and to hate on him because people want him as an allstar is kind of wrong. How did Cal Ripken JR do the season he was retiring and hit the HR in the All Star Game? Wound up batting .239. Its not always about who is the best. Does Manny deserve to start? No. Ichiro? No, but they are anyway.
And again, gather your thoughts, and thennnn post
Voted in that dont deserve it
Fukudome
Ramirez-
Ichiro
Varitek
Ortiz-
Soriano
Jeter
Tejada
Wagner
Stat wise, do any of them belong?
And besides the average, what has Griffey done so bad? 11 Hrs in the first half from a player that any power production from at this point is a plus. Good OBP, 38 RBIs behind Dunn Phillips and Votto. He is actually having a pretty good season for a 4th place team
Back to Yankee talk,
Robinson Cano is 3-3 with 3 clutch hits after Joe Girardi gets thrown out.
1-1 in The game winner in the 9th against the Orioles ? earlier this season
2-2 tonight with the 2 RBI triple in the 7th, and single to start the 10th
Buster Olney just said there is NO way that the Brewers re sign Sabathia. Obviously they wont say who are the favorites right now, but still its a good start. But he said the reason its a no is because it would double or triple the highest contract they have ever had
Gardner is predicted to be an everyday player by most scouts. He will not be a super star but a solid player. I think the Yankees need a few solid everyday players. This is how they won in the late nineties with solid everyday players who play the game everyday.
If by some strange chance we make it to the playoffs, and as much as I love Joba…..he’s really going to have to learn to keep his emotions in check.
MJR -
If by emotions you mean walks, I agree.
Joba has the whole summer to get it together. Joba should be the least of your worries if the Yanks make the playoffs
Joba is doing great as far as I’m concerned. None of the balls was hit all that hard, Pedroia just did a great job muscling an inside fastball into shallow RFC.
Amazing to hear Joe “I love my Jetes” Morgan refuse to criticize the Captain for getting trapped off 2B on a line drive to SS. That’s a little league level mistake, but not to kiss up Joe!
Who cares about Griffey either way? Remember for years The Mick was on the All-Star team though he was not longer an elite player.
Leaderness is not a word.
Joba is turning the corner. The next phase in his starter development should have him learning to be more economical with his pitches. This will happen.
Right now his pitch count is too high by the 5th or 6th inning.
It was hilarious seeing Varitek sent up as a pinch hitter for Lugo. And Boston has this wealth of depth ? Pffft !!!
What a good win these past two nights. Preferably, I would have liked to have seen a tad more offense, but at this point, I’ll take what I can get. These two wins, while great, still do not allay my concerns with this “consistently inconsistent” offense (Jeter’s words). This next series will also be a teller of how this team will respond to the challenges ahead. I hope they respond.
ESPN has Pettitte against Kazmir – and Yankees.com has Ponson. I think it’d be prudent to skip Ponson if possible. And insight Pete?
“The next phase in his starter development should have him learning to be more economical with his pitches.”
joba just needs to be coached to locate and trust his fastball more.
hitters can’t look in and out at the same time.
joba sometimes gives hitters too much credit and tries to fool them with breaking balls which are often balls and his pitch count goes up.
but what’s not to like about joba?
nothing. love the joba.
Who is the biggest baby in all of baseball?
Kevin Youkilis
Um Kevin, he was trying to go inside, and went a little too far inside. Grow up and be a man.
Girardi made it clear after Pettite’s last start that he would go on Tuesday. Big Sid gets the ball for Wednesday and if he is anything like his last start it will be his LAST start.
Is it me or does the yankees always win games before a day off
sunny, i believe ESPN is assuming the Yankees would be smart enough to skip their 5th starter when given the opportunity, but if i remember correctly, Ponson is throwing game 1 and Pettitte game 2 of the series.
I could be wrong but believe from what I saw Giradi blew his stack not only because the high strike called on Molina but because the ump had continually squeezed Joba by not giving him low strikes the Sox were getting and also not obvious strikes on the outside corner.
I meant to type **not getting obvious strikes on the outside corner**
“Um Kevin, he was trying to go inside, and went a little too far inside. Grow up and be a man.”
cant say i blame him. joba already sailed one over his head last year, which was obviously intentional, and any time i have a dude who can throw high 90′s up in the zone, id be a little fidgety, too.
^^ Yeah thats why Joe kept putting his hand towards his knees
“And Fukudome was voted in. He doesn’t deserve to be there either. But him and Ichiro and pedroia are examples of people winning popularity contests when they shouldn’t have been the starters.”
Jeter tops the list in the popularity contest.
Fukudome is a funny name
I hate off days so much.
“Jeter tops the list in the popularity contest.”
that might be true, but there also arent many other options in the AL at SS this year to push Jeter out of the way.
and for all the griping about Pedroia, its not like he’s having an awful year and got voted in… even if Kinsler has marginally better numbers than Pedroia in some categories, its not like he hasnt earned a spot.
turn two Really?
You came to the wrong location if you plan on defending alien head Youkilis. Those two pitches were wild despite all the whining by Youkilis and again last night. What a baby.
I’m so glad Girardi blew his top over those rotten strikes.
Torre would never had done that. He was too content drinking his tea in the dugout to worked up.
turn two
It’s not about the year Pedroia is having, everyone knows it’s decent.
It’s because he was picked over Kinsler who has MVP numbers.
Great to have a Sox apologist on first thing in the morning.
“It’s because he was picked over Kinsler who has MVP numbers.
Great to have a Sox apologist on first thing in the morning.”
MVP numbers? get real. he’s good, but he’s not an MVP. he’s not even the MVP on his own team.
and if you think you’re talking to a saux apologist, then you’re living in a fog.
there’s nothing wrong with admitting the saux have an all star player worthy of starting the all star game.
The All-Star game selection is full of flaws. It also doesn’t help that the selection process is pretty much a popularity contest and 90% of the voters out there don’t look at stats to justify their selections. Like Moose said, you could literally make another team with those who were left off and those players would have just as much reason to be considered the All-Star team as the selected ones.
Besides, the All-Star team will always have a high number of Yankee/Red Sox players because of the size of their respective fandoms. (Who here honestly doesn’t think Jeter is on the AS team because it’s at Yankee Stadium this year?) Plus, coming off a WS title, the Red Sox players have a perception of success (valid or not) which helps boost their candidacy. I’m not even going to get into the “every team must be represented” BS.
turn two
Pedroia can’t hold a candle to the season numbers Kinsler has. Not a Sox stooge? Had me fooled.
You could make a case for Ian Kinsler as AL MVP if the season ended today. As of this morning Kinsler leads the AL in BA .328, 4th in SBs 26, 10th in OBP .387, first in 77 runs scored, first in hits 118, 3rd in doubles 28, first in total bases 196. And has 14 homeruns and 53 RBIs as a lead off man.
im not saying Kinsler isnt a better player so far this season, but its not like Pedroia isnt good, too.
he’s batting .312, and like .450 the last week plus. he’s also got 9 HRs, 41 RBI, 9 SBs, and Kinsler couldnt hold Pedroia’s jock as a defensive 2B. you could lay a glove down by itself in between 1B and 2B and itd be better defensively than Kinsler.
all im saying it that of all the positions and all the players that dont deserve to be there over the two all star teams, the fans did a lot worse than picking the 2nd best 2B to play over the best 2B.
i understand the hatred of the red saux, but lets not make it out to be the biggest all star snub of all time.
These 2 wins against the BoSux were huge….but we still need to win at least 5 out of the next 6 ( including taking BOTH of these next 2 games at home against those PUNK Rays ) to have the MO-mentum we need going into AND coming out of the break. Aside from the games that Ponson and Razz are pitching, we can win these easily. Even more reason to really look at dropping those 2 slugs out of the rotation for the 2nd half. Now that CC is gone for the season…( we can just sign him for 2009 now ! )…we need to look for the best available pitcher AND SIGN TEX. Winning 4 in a row ( 2 against the RedDinks and 2 against the PunkRays would show some real CONSISTENT heart )
Turn two
I didn’t say the biggest snub of all time but is imo of this year.
At least the Players rightfully selected Kinsler for the team. Jeter doesn’t belong as a starter either.
This Pedroia selection to start at 2nd is just another example of why the fan selection aspect of the all-star team is a joke.
A-Rod with the prenup
Great call buddy
“This Pedroia selection to start at 2nd is just another example of why the fan selection aspect of the all-star team is a joke.”
but thats my point. this isnt an example at all… if Robby Cano was voted to start the All Star game, then youd have a point.
but they voted in the 2nd best player instead of the best player at the position… the fans have done MUCH worse before.
i agree, its a broken system, but the game is also supposed to be entertainment. the fans vote for who they want to see, not necessarily the player who deserves to be there.
once you get past that, you’ll learn not to get so worked up over it.
bronxbomber77 “Fear the ‘Stache”
“He’s not even the MVP on his own team: Josh Hamilton.”
Yeah, I remember the same being said 2 years ago about Joe Maurer over Justin Morneau.
Kinsler as of today has MVP numbers despite having Hamilton as a team mate. Who knows what either will look like at season’s end.
“A-Rod with the prenup
Great call buddy”
oh yeah? good for him.
I think the players voted to give a “finger” to the Yankees.
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“once you get past that, you’ll learn not to get so worked up over it.”
I’ve been watching baseball for about 55 years, my distaste for this format isn’t about to change.
How many votes are you supposed to get for this “last chance” vote? I have way over 25. I wasn’t keeping track of the votes till after I was thinking it had to be over 25. I kept voting and kept count and stopped once I reached 40 votes.
Odd.
Tell Rick Carpiniello I wonder why Miguel Olivo, Mike Napoli, Xavier Nady, Jason Bay, Mike Mussina, Evan Longoria, why aren’t they in the All Star game ? Love Griffey Jr. but he simply doesn’t deserve to be in it this season, why attempt to rob Fukudome, Braun or any of the real players that deserve to be there.
“you could lay a glove down by itself in between 1B and 2B and itd be better defensively than Kinsler.”
This is very funny.
Question for you baseball fans –
I was at a Yankees vs. Sox game this weekend and saw on the scoreboard that Coco Crisp had a record number of “Chances” (somewhere around 400 – I think this season). Does anyone know what a “Chance” is??
Same thing every year. This guy got snubbed, this guy got shafted, this guy is not deserving, and there’s too much unfairness and politics.
Guess what ? Look for more of the same next year. The spineless Commissioner isn’t about to change anything.
All you get out of Selig is, ” The game is economically sound and doing well “.
“A-Rod with the prenup
Great call buddy”
Whatever prenup he may have had is going to get laughed out of court. He has two daughters with Cynthia. He is going to pay royally.
Jermaine Dye and Evan Longoria are the most deserving guys on that ballot… maybe Giambi is chosen to replace Ortiz.
Pedroia/Kinsler is a legit debate… really depends on how much you value defense, I suppose. Just like Youkilis vs Giambi at 1B.
Kinsler/Hamilton MVP argument is like arguing weather Don Knotts or Clint Eastwood was a more convincing police officer… right ow it isn’t close.
I just wish the All-Star game would go back to being the meaningless feel-good exhibition it’s supposed to be… another American League beat down and maybe there’ll be enough votes… it’s an idiotic way to choose something as important as home field in the World Series.
“you could lay a glove down by itself in between 1B and 2B and itd be better defensively than Kinsler.â€
…or it could just be pedroia.
As long as the All-Star participants are selected by human beings, whether it is the fans, the players or managers, the team is going to be imperfect. Even if the roster could be expanded, it would not solve all the problems, because some selected players would not necessarily play, and STILL some players on the team would be “undeserving” and others more “deserving” would be omitted.
It is what it is, so why not just enjoy it for what it is?
A way by some to dismiss the pick of the bearded lawn elf over Kinsler.
“you could lay a glove down by itself in between 1B and 2B and itd be better defensively than Kinsler.â€
“Gardner is predicted to be an everyday player by most scouts.”
This is patently false. He is predicted to be a 4th OFer by most scouts, with a chance to be an everyday player if his walks translate to the big league level. An outside chance.
Whatever prenup he may have had is going to get laughed out of court. He has two daughters with Cynthia. He is going to pay royally.
You apparently don’t know how a prenup works. And BTW I love how Cynthia has gain the 100 % she’s telling the truth view. None of us know who Cynthia Scurtis is, if she is telling the truth or lieing. She hasn’t gain that view from me, you’d have to be an idiot in relationships to take her word for everything.
Didn’t they decide to make the All-Star Game meaningful because some players were choosing to take the time off instead?
Brandon -
In relationships it’s his side, her side, and the truth somewhere in the middle!
“Whatever prenup he may have had is going to get laughed out of court.”
Why? Aren’t those legally binding? I assume that the contract would have taken into account the possibility of children. I figure he didn’t have some numbnuts put the thing together for him.
“Didn’t they decide to make the All-Star Game meaningful because some players were choosing to take the time off instead?”
i think it was moreso a reactionary measure to the screw up and subsequent backlash Bud Selig received with the tie game in Milwaukee…
The all-star stuff is pretty simple…it’s stupid. The fans vote for who they like, modulated by reputation. The players vote for reputation, modulated by who they like and — maybe — who’s REALLY fallen off a cliff (see: Griffey). The manager selects the best player from each team too unpopular/crappy to have gotten a selection yet…and then usually makes a good faith effort to pick guys who are having monster years underneath the fan/player radar with his paltry few remaining selections.
“Whatever prenup he may have had is going to get laughed out of court.â€
Said it last night and I’ll say it again. For all his issues, Boras knows his way around a contract. If he had a hand in the pre-nup, it should hold up. (The opt out joke would have been too easy)
In relationships it’s his side, her side, and the truth somewhere in the middle!
Exactly Doreen, I love how the Daily News and NYPOST is pushing this poor C-Rod OMG Alex is a monster, Madonna is alot of things homewrecker would be something new but all this crap of how Cynthia’s momo pitying Alex, the trainer saying he’s brainwashed, all this crap is spewing from one side that just can’t shut up, it reminds me of Alex when we use to say just shut up ! Meanwhile Alex isn’t adding to the news, he’s keeping quiet, quietly he’s hitting the ball better and minding his business..Who would have thought that.
pat Alex and Boras are not on the same side, he dropped him for Guy Oseary. That’s part of the reason Boras wasn’t happy after the contract.
Are we better off with Molina starting, and Jorge DH’ing until Damon/Matsui return, with Moeller spelling him a game per week? This leaves us with Giambi at 1B.
I love Molina’s defense, but man, it’s tough to watch him hit – our 7, 8 and 9 guys look like a NL lineup.
raymagnetic ®™
Very naive statement about Arod’s prenup.
um..
http://www.rotoworld.com/conte.....38;id=3294
Victor Zambrano-R- Rockies Jul. 7 – 9:56 am et
The Yankees are expected to send a scout to watch free agent Victor Zambrano throw this week.
Clearly, the Yankees are desperate to add a starting pitcher. Zambrano was invited to spring training by the Rockies, but didn’t make the team and went 0-6 with a 9.45 in Triple-A for the Rockies.
Source: New York Daily News
Brandon
The pre-nup would have been drawn up prior to the marriage and A-Rod and Boras were definitely on the same side then.
Whether they are speaking now has little to do with what he did to protect A-Rod’s interest 5 years ago.
PHIL RIZZUTO
I’ve only seen a few clips of him but from what I’ve heard from the old timers this is exactly Bret Gardiner. He is extremely pesky at the plate and is hard to strikeout fouling off a lot of balls. But no scrub – he gets a lot of little hits here and there and does all the little things, like get beating out ground balls, hard to double up , laying bunts for sacrifices, beating out bunts.
sort of like a layup in basketball versus a dunk – still counts as two points. Also Phil was an awesome fielder with a good enough arm and that is Gardiner exactly.
I realize only a few games but – would love to see someone in the news out together a comparison video – I’d bet it would be real interesting. They even run the same way
PS: The Scooter was an All Star too…….
Yankees heading in the right direction with the farm – just not as fast as we like..
“I love Molina’s defense, but man, it’s tough to watch him hit – our 7, 8 and 9 guys look like a NL lineup.”
and thats fine, as long as the bullpen holds up, and the guys hitting 1-6 produce like they are supposed to.
im more of the opinion that Cashman still needs to import an arm moreso than a bat heading into the deadline.
The Yankees are expected to send a scout to watch free agent Victor Zambrano throw this week.
More BS, don’t believe that.
If Damon and Matsui get healthy and Gardner can hit in the meantime I think the offense will be ok. The pitching is the problem, you can’t win with Rasner and Ponson as #4 and #5 in the rotation.
wake up amurica, there is straight forward reason for the yankees inconsistency this year!! we need a ticket drive to furnish the Squirell, (the house rodent) tickets to all remaining games. NOTE: send me your money.
Brandon, i believe they’ll have a scout there to watch, but i dont necessarily buy the fact they think he’ll be able to make any meaningful starts in the majors any time soon.
“You apparently don’t know how a prenup works. And BTW I love how Cynthia has gain the 100 % she’s telling the truth view. None of us know who Cynthia Scurtis is, if she is telling the truth or lieing. She hasn’t gain that view from me, you’d have to be an idiot in relationships to take her word for everything.”
I know exactly how prenups work. As I said before he has two daughters with her. He is going to pay. Apparently you don’t know how divorce proceedings go.
“Also Phil was an awesome fielder with a good enough arm and that is Gardiner exactly. ”
SS is a much more important defensive position than LF.
Gardner as a CF is good, not great, according to people who’ve seen him. Fast does not automatically equate to incredible fielding.
Also…Gardner can’t even hit .300 in AAA. Let’s not say that he’ll be a great slap hitting speedster at in the bigs when he’s got all of three hits to his name. Scooter also didn’t K a lot. Gardner does. He walked enough in the AAA this year to make up for it. Let’s see if he keeps doing that.
Manage your expectations, people.
Whether they are speaking now has little to do with what he did to protect A-Rod’s interest 5 years ago.
If Boras is cut from contract negotiations then he is cut from pretty much everything, Alex drew the line this offseason w/ Scott. I doubt he had someone he doesn’t trust representing him in court.
Any player that spends as much time looking in the stands home or away at where the hotties are seated as A-Rod does is a candidate for divorce court.
Even the single Captain doesn’t spend anywhere near the time looking in the stands to see who’s looking at him. He realizes that nothing can be done about hotties until the last pitch is thrown.
i couldnt give a crap about alex’s life outside of baseball, and madonna is nothing but last decade’s news.
as for the yankees, they were very fortunate to split with the sox, a sweep would have just about ended thier season. as it stands now, only 4 games out of the w.c., we are still in the hunt. i think its really necessary to win 2 of 3 vs. tampa, if we could pull off the sweep, we’d be back in the division race.
im glad to see sabatthia is traded and will likely become a free agent at the end of the season. i’m hoping to see phil hughes get back and take a stab and reestablishing himself as a future ace. things will look very different if joba keeps pitching like a stud, phil makes his presence known and wang comes back healthy and pithing well.
“Seems like that’s what’s going to happen if you’re going to beat me this year: broken bat or find-your-way-through-the-infield somehow,†Papelbon said. “I’ve got to be able to go out and get the first guy…
Looks like papelbon needs some humble lessons from mariano or the veterans…
I agree he will more likely go after an arm. However probably a 4-5 type starting pitcher. The bullpen looks pretty decent. “Farnsy”, robertson, veras, ramirez, oh and some other guy.
“I know exactly how prenups work. As I said before he has two daughters with her. He is going to pay. Apparently you don’t know how divorce proceedings go.”
Obviously he’s going to pay child support. And she’ll get custody, because he’s on the road 6 months of the year. However, I’d be shocked if the pre-nup did not have provisions for children in it. So it seems unlikely that the contract would just get thrown out because of something as simple as “oh, they had kids”. That’s part of the purpose of getting married.
I know exactly how prenups work. As I said before he has two daughters with her. He is going to pay. Apparently you don’t know how divorce proceedings go.
If there is a PRENUP Cynthia gets NOTHING, Ella and Natasha gets a part time daddy and financial backing that’s all.
“i think its really necessary to win 2 of 3 vs. tampa, if we could pull off the sweep, we’d be back in the division race.”
Its a two game series broseph
“I agree he will more likely go after an arm. However probably a 4-5 type starting pitcher.”
I’m really just not convinced it’s worth it. The have several guys as talented or more talented as any 4/5 guy working their way back from injury. This team isn’t a back-end guy away from a championship. What’s the point of spending minor league talent to import a veteran back-end guy?
If they make a trade, it needs to be for a youngish position player. Someone to take over for Abreu, perhaps, or someone that’d allow them to trade Damon.
guess i should check in with the schedule again, huh?
can anyone confirm if its pettite or ponson against kazmir. espn says pettite and apparently the yankees website says ponson. If we had pettit v kazmir and then ponson v jackson, we could have a shot at 2. then destroy pitt. and take 2/3 from toronto. (halladay)
TurnTwo: Pedroia is having a fine year. However, Ian is ahead of him in EVERY SINGLE offensive category and has an OPS .123 points higher. He has an OPS .123 points higher. Yes, Pedroia is much better with the glove, but really, it’s still a no brainer. Pedeoia deserves to be the #2 2nd baseman, not the starter.
A pre-nup does not mean Cynthia gets nothing. It means she agreed to a pre-determined settlement in the case of a divorce.
And if she was smart, she had her own attorney look it over before she signed it.
“can anyone confirm if its pettite or ponson against kazmir.”
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Both YES and ESPN say it’s Pettitte.
A pre-nup does not mean Cynthia gets nothing. It means she agreed to a pre-determined settlement in the case of a divorce.
Let’s put it this way she won’t get 1/2 like everyone thinks. I do think there is more to this story because her side is talking too much.
I guarantee you Cynthia will get money out of this divorce. I’ve heard that infidelity and/or “emotional abandonment” can void a prenup.
Anyways, who cares about that nonsense.
“Also…Gardner can’t even hit .300 in AAA.”
I think thats a little misleading considering he was on base more than 40% of the time. Thats an extremely good OBP and he had great slugging for slap hitter. I’m not saying he’s going to be great but I think he has the potential to be a starting outfielder.
“im glad to see sabatthia is traded and will likely become a free agent at the end of the season.”
agreed. it at least confirms that Sabathia will make it to free agency. now its up to Cash to talk to the Steinbrenners to secure the $$, and to convince CC that NY is a great place to raise a family.
“as for the yankees, they were very fortunate to split with the sox, a sweep would have just about ended thier season. as it stands now, only 4 games out of the w.c., we are still in the hunt. i think its really necessary to win 2 of 3 vs. tampa, if we could pull off the sweep, we’d be back in the division race.”
i believe its only a 2 game series.
i always figured the yankees would or could at least split the 4 game series with the Saux, and the 2 game series with the Rays. their problem lies in their inability to win series against the Reds and Rangers over the past couple weeks. those are games against bad teams that you need to win.
I’m going to the game and really wanted to see Griffey there.
“raymagnetic ®™
Very naive statement about Arod’s prenup.”
Didn’t A-Rod recently sign a new contract with the Yankees?
Brandon
He doesn’t need Boras in court now. All he needs is the litle piece of paper that Boras wrote up for him 5 years ago.
“If there is a PRENUP Cynthia gets NOTHING, Ella and Natasha gets a part time daddy and financial backing that’s all.”
Cynthia wouldn’t get nothing. She would get wahtever they both agreed to when the agreement was signed. In some cases that is nothing but in most cases there is a division of assets accrued during the marriage and provisions for any children to come of the marriage to be taken care of.
Both YES and ESPN say it’s Pettitte
thanks. and despite all the conversation, i think a-rod might be okay financially, but im glad everyone is worried.
oh and kinsler clearly should be starting. Pedroia is great, but kinsler has mvp type numbers
“Obviously he’s going to pay child support. And she’ll get custody, because he’s on the road 6 months of the year. However, I’d be shocked if the pre-nup did not have provisions for children in it. So it seems unlikely that the contract would just get thrown out because of something as simple as “oh, they had kidsâ€. That’s part of the purpose of getting married.”
My point about the kids is only part of my point. They’ve also accumulated more assets during their marriage. Courts also tend to frown upon prenups which favor one party too heavily. She may not get half but she’ll get hers. The kids just add to whatever she would have gotten.
“I think thats a little misleading considering he was on base more than 40% of the time. Thats an extremely good OBP and he had great slugging for slap hitter. I’m not saying he’s going to be great but I think he has the potential to be a starting outfielder.”
The guy was comparing him to Rizzuto, who played in a fundamentally different era. I think if you wanted to compare them directly, Gardner’d need to hit over .300 with a high OBP to be near as valuable — and he’d need to K less.
I never said he didn’t have the potential to start. Flip through my posts in this very thread. I said that, if his walks translate well (better than his Major League Equivalency, which projects his OBP at about .350) he could be a starter.
“Someone to take over for Abreu, perhaps, or someone that’d allow them to trade Damon.”
thats the type of move youd see Cashman make if he were smart… but im not anticipating seeing it.
i would call up the Braves and try and buy low on Francouer, myself.
and i’m also not anticipating the yankees making a real move at all thats going to help or hurt them for the season…. but if they are to make a move, i think its more likely to see a rotation guy than a positional player.
and i really dont care about this enough to argue FOR Pedroia… the point i was making was just that ive seen worse decisions by fans than voting in Pedroia over Kinsler. if people are going to argue the fans got it wrong, there are other players that allow you to make your case better than Kinsler or Pedroia. Kinsler is having a great season, but PEdroia simply isnt far enough behind in these categories for me to whine over it.
“She may not get half but she’ll get hers.”
Fine…but you said it’d be laughed out of court because they had kids…and that’s kind of ridiculous.
I’m not a lawyer, but I’m pretty sure a pre-nup is a contract between ARod and Cyn, and has nothing to do with the kids. Even if a man is NOT married, the courts make him support the kids. An adult can NOT contracturally get out of their parental responsibilities.
Cyn is an adult. She can get a job and support herself. The kids however, can not support themselves. And Doreen is correct. If the pre-nup holds up (and some do not) Cyn will get the amount specified in the contract, which I highly doubt is nothing (I’ll bet it’s over $1m). My guess is Cyn will get $1m or more per child in child support.
Prior to the Texas series, Pete A. indicated a 8-5 record through the remaining games up to the All-Star break would be a positive finish, and put us in great position for the second half.
With the 1-2 finish to the Texas series, I see us now finishing 7-6. I don’t think we can sweep Tampa.
1-2 Texas
2-2 Boston
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1-1 Tampa
1-0 Pittburgh
2-1 Toronto
whozat,
Yeah its absurd to compare him to Rizzuto. Phil is overrated but he was still a great player.
“i would call up the Braves and try and buy low on Francouer, myself.”
The guy can’t get on base…I’m not sure that’s the sort of player I’d go looking for.
“Are we better off with Molina starting, and Jorge DH’ing until Damon/Matsui return, with Moeller spelling him a game per week? This leaves us with Giambi at 1B.
I love Molina’s defense, but man, it’s tough to watch him hit – our 7, 8 and 9 guys look like a NL lineup.”
IMO, yes. Molina is leading the league in cutting down runners attempting to steal. Anyone who remembers Moose’s problems with runners on base last year will recognize how important Jose is to Moose’s success this year, in many ways.
Molina is literally erasing possible runs from the opponent’s side of the ledger. There has to be some way to factor that into an equivalent contribution on the offensive side. These are guys who have already gotten on base and are trying to move into scoring position. Jose shoots them dowm like a good duck hunter.
It must be affecting the way managers work their in-game tactics. Francona effectively admitted this.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....0429.story
turn two
Then let it go, don’t defend it with lame comments like below.
“if people are going to argue the fans got it wrong, there are other players that allow you to make your case better than Kinsler or Pedroia. Kinsler is having a great season, but PEdroia simply isnt far enough behind in these categories for me to whine over it.”
*down*
Sorry
My point about the kids is only part of my point. They’ve also accumulated more assets during their marriage. Courts also tend to frown upon prenups which favor one party too heavily. She may not get half but she’ll get hers. The kids just add to whatever she would have gotten.
Your point is taken it doesn’t change what the provisions in thier prenup holds.I mean there is alot of BS spewing from one side while the other side is all mum.
example : “He’d be in the gym and if a Madonna video would come on, he’d go into a trance,” Romero said.
And when A-Rod is driving in his car, he’ll only listen to Madonna music, the trainer said.
Can you really picture Alex bopping his head to “Like A Virgin” or “Like A Prayer” in his car, there’s a truth somewhere I doubt it is here.
Put it this way. Cynthia will not be hurtin’ for certain. She will not be apartment hunting in Bed-Stuy. She will not be dating a guy that works in a chop shop in Flushing.
Her car will never see the streets of East New York.
“indicated a 8-5 record through the remaining games up to the All-Star break would be a positive finish, and put us in great position for the second half.”
i really wanted to see them finish 9-4 for me to believe they are on the right track, so 7-6 is a big disappointment even if its a winning record.
“I’m not a lawyer, but I’m pretty sure a pre-nup is a contract between ARod and Cyn, and has nothing to do with the kids. Even if a man is NOT married, the courts make him support the kids. An adult can NOT contracturally get out of their parental responsibilities.”
I didn’t say he could. But, I figure the pre-nup specifies what ARod’s responsibilities (and rights) wrt the kids would be. It would seem a glaring omission if it didn’t.
“don’t defend it with lame comments like below.”
if the truth is lame, then thats fine.
Replacement Level Yankees has Kinsler at 27 runs above average, looking at offense and defense. Pedroia is tied for 3rd with Ellis at 13 runs. Roberts is second at 15 runs.
Cano is so far down I didn’t even count what place, at a nice fat -8.
Yah Cano hasn’t been great…
He’s seems to be starting to turn it on though.
Its funny how people bitch and moan about undeserving players making the team and then in the same post IMPLORE people to vote 25 times for Giambi…
“IMPLORE people to vote 25 times for Giambi”
Yes. How DARE they implore people to vote for one of the most productive offensive forces in the league?
Robi Cano waking up.
95 AB .295/.333/.432
101 AB .287/.302/.416
23 AB .391/.417/.522
Still can’t walk for s***
whozat- does Giambi deserve to be there over Dye or Longoria?
Can you guys please STFU about C-Rod, A-Rod and all the little $%$#&! Rods? If I want “Entertainment Tonight” I’ll watch that crap!
Now where the hell are we going to get a RH hitter?
Cleveland according to Sweeney Murti wanted Phil Hughes and Austin Jackson included for CC Sabathia.
Again see you next season CC.
How can they let Ponson go in either game vs TB?
I recall SJ44 saying that exact same thing a few weeks ago.
“Cleveland according to Sweeney Murti wanted Phil Hughes and Austin Jackson included for CC Sabathia.”
You all know SJ44 is Sweeney Murti, right?
“Cleveland according to Sweeney Murti wanted Phil Hughes and Austin Jackson included for CC Sabathia.”
seems to be about on par with what the Brewers gave up.
Moose was not snubbed. I count 14 (fourteen!!!) AL pitchers who currently qualify for the ERA title with lower ERA and more innnigs per start – the ONLY two stats that matter in the end for starting pitchers. FOURTEEN!!!
I currently have 7 tickets to the upcoming re-scheduled Pirates game on Thursday at PNC available at face value. I was there on the 6/26 rainout and can’t get back to Pitt. If anyone is interested let me know and I can give more details on price and seat location. hate giving these up, but I have to work.