Game 92: Yankees at Pirates
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 10, 2008 
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YANKEES (49-42)
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Posada 1B
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Molina C
Christian LF
Mussina RHP
PIRATES (42-48)
McLouth CF
Sanchez 2B
Doumit C
Bay LF
Nady RF
LaRoche 1B
Bautista 3B
Maholm LHP
Wilson SS
Mike Mussina (11-6, 3.64) vs. the Pittsburgh hitters.
Paul Maholm (5-5, 4.05) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: This will be the seventh game Posada has played at least some first base. … This was the game that was rained out on June 26 with the Yankees leading 3-1 in the third inning. Mussina and Maholm were the pitchers that day, too. The Yankees started that game double, double, triple, double. … Before you ask, they start all over again. … The Yankees are 22-20 on the road. … Brett Gardner is 4 for 28 with nine Ks. … Jeter has a seven game hit streak and has hit safely in 23 of the last 25 games. … Molina has started six straight games.
Back later with updates.
A SAD, SAD UPDATE, 5:39 p.m.: The Big G finished third in the final vote. Evan Longoria won. Quotes from Giambi to come.
UPDATE, 6:03 p.m.: Here are some comments from Jason Giambi:
On Evan Longoria winning: “He’s a great player, he’s playing hard. He’s definitely deserving.”
On the Support the ‘Stache campaign: “It was fun. It was awesome and I thank everybody who gave it a run. I always try and find the positive. I get four days off which I definitely could use.”
Will the ‘stache stay? “Oh, yeah. I didn’t grow the ‘stache to make the All-Star team.”
On going home to Vegas over the break: “The boys will be happy.”
UPDATE, 6:09 p.m.: Here is a report from the AP in Tampa:
Johnny Damon’s injured left shoulder is still too sore for baseball activities and the New York Yankees left fielder is hoping to start hitting off a tee on Monday.
“It depends if the swelling goes down,†Damon said Thursday. “If it feels good, I’ll start hurrying up. It’s just slow. Wake up every morning and it’s swollen.â€
Hideki Matsui, sidelined by a sore left knee, hit off a tee and took part in a soft toss session at the Yankees’ complex Thursday.
Pitcher Phil Hughes is scheduled to throw off a mound for the first time Saturday. The Yankees are hopeful Hughes will return in September.
UPDATE, 7:00 p.m.: I just noticed that the Pirates have the pitcher hitting eighth. Interesting.
UPDATE, 7:23 p.m.: Jose Molina is catching the sixth consecutive game. That’s a career first for him. The last Yankee to catch straight games (other than Jorge Posada) was Joe Girardi in 1997.
Girardi said “he hopes” to get Posada back as the full-time catcher. But it’s a day-to-day thing. What does Posada think about that? “I took care of it,” Girardi said.
It certainly didn’t seem that way before the game.
“I like to catch, OK?†Posada said tersely. “I’m in the lineup, I’m happy I’m in the lineup but I like to catch. I’m a catcher. I’m not a first baseman. I’m not a DH. I like to catch. … (Girardi) knows that. Everybody in here knows that.”
UPDATE, 7:40 p.m.: Brilliant move hitting the pitcher eighth.
UPDATE, 7:52 p.m.: Then, of course, No. 9 hitter Jack Wilson doubles to lead off the third. Last thing you want is an actual hitter coming up with men on base.
UPDATE, 8:23 p.m.: That was the first hit for Moose since June 23, 2003 and the first hit for a Yankees pitcher since Roger Clemens last June 21.
Oh, sure, Clemens.
UPDATE, 8:35 p.m.: There’s some all-around sloppy baseball. Derek Jeter throws a slider to Posada trying to complete a double play. Posada doesn’t stop the ball from skipping by. Then Molina throws a ball into center when the runner steals.
The Yankees have mailed this game in so far.
UPDATE, 8:46 p.m.: A-Rod is 1 for his last 12 with four strikeouts.
UPDATE, 9:08 p.m.: Another big hit by Bobby Abreu. At least Moose is off the hook after pitching pretty well. Now it’s Jose Veras on the mound.
UPDATE, 9:15 p.m.: Did the real Jose Veras just stand up there? He had allowed only one run over 17.1 innings since June 5. A walk and a home run ended that. Now the Yankees are down by two runs again.
UPDATE, 9:43 p.m.: That makes 31 times this season the Yankees have been held to two runs or less. Just amazing.
That is a short-ass lineup. Geez. I hope the Pirates are swinging early and often and that Moose has his offspeed stuff dancing.
YEA!!! Posada 1B. all kidding aside, i hope he gets somewhat tested tonight. It’d be nice to see what he can do at the corner. I’m not hoping for liners down the line, but some extra effort plays would be interesting to see.
Hope the yankees start the game the same way as they did in the original
I like Arod batting 3rd.
Let’s go Moose!
Vote for Giambi! WE’RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!
http://WWW.mlb.com !
Can someone explain playing Melky over Gardner?
1 walk off > no walk off
interesting line-up…. whatever works – vote big g!
Having hit above .200 in the majors before > 4/28 with 9 K’s
Who’s the DH?
Can someone explain playing Melky over Gardner?
1 walk off > no walk off
Maholm is a lefty. Melky is a switch hitter. One would think a better question would be “Why Christian over Gardner”, but that has the same answer
By the way, Melky has had walk-off hits before. Just because Gardners’ was more recent, it’s not right to hold it against Melky.
national league..no DH!
“Who’s the DH?”
It’s in an NL park.
Giambi should be in over Posada even VS the LH
John Sterling, I hope you’re kidding (NL stadium)
Who’s the DH?
Speaking of the lack of DH, if there are RISP and Cano gets out, you might as well switch to another game, because Melky, Molina, Christian, and Mussina don’t look very formidable.
J. Sterling,
I heard your mother is DH’in tonight in Pittsburgh!
I am an idiot. Forgot they went back to PNC Park.
(…and, unfortunately, you make a great point, Brent.)
Seriously, I see the potential in Gardner and he does cause some trouble for opposing pitchers when hes on the bases. However, the people on this blog calling for Girardi to bench Cabrera and start Gardner have GOT to calm down.
I still keep Cabrera in there until Gardner proves he can hit in the majors
Vote for the Stache!!!!
I’m also voting against Wright cause Met fans are voting against Giambi.
how many days in a row has jorge not caught? is he really not able to? because i’d really have liked to have seen both his and giambi’s bat in tonight.
I’m willing to bet that Mussina has more RBI’s tonight then Melky, Molina, and Christian combined. I’ve been all about the pitchers hitting for some reason.
Brent-
Good point. Insert foot to mouth on my behalf.
On another note, I hope Santana gives up a homerun to CC before the end of this season. 2 pitchers with homeruns against Santana would be comical.
Let’s Go Yanks!
Christian has showed more pop in his bat than Gardner. Hes also a threat on the bases as we saw when he stole third yesterday. Molina gets into grooves where he not only hits but he hits doubles, lets hope this is one of them.
so our 3 – 1 lead is worthless.
they already made a rule change last season (i think) where they resume the game instead of starting over in certain rain-out cases. away team taking the lead in the top of an inning of an official game, i think. (example was that baltimore game last year) prior to that, they didn’t resume any postponed games.
if they changed a rule and are now resuming games, why not resume games if less than 5 innings are played?
of course i’d be perfectly fine with the rule if we were down when the game was called
“Ponson is winning the Innings Eating Championship! Livan, Chestnut, and Kobayashi got nothing on him.”
mel-
ponson will never catch livan this year.
livan had the bad luck to pitch on a hot day at fenway with the wind blowing out. even beckett gave up 5 runs n 5 innings and there were 37 hits between the two teams.
i like ponson in the role he’s in with the yankees, but he’s no livan for innings eating.
how’s hughes ,kennedy,and all those fit rookies doing?
score another one for the fat guys.
ponson that is.
livan will have to wait for another start when the wind isn’t blowing out.
you think we can get the stache to the all-star game with one SOLID hour of voting until it closes?
Man we could use a bench player.I bet Christian has a good night and everybody here says he the next Willie Mays.
Gardner,Christian and Melky are killing this team.
Gardner is so obviously over matched, it’s crazy. There has to be a fourth outfielder somewhere that Cashman can trade for that could do better than that stiff.
Durham Yankee-
my only comment to your comment is that Gardner…
A. only has about 30 AB’s
B. has faced an ace almost every time he’s played. I really want to see him against a few B or C pitchers for a few days in a row.
Maybe it was an uncalled for comment for tonights game, but at some point, if Melky’s play continues and he makes no adjustments, like major league players are supposed to do during slumps (Cano), you have to go with Gardner for at least 3 series in a row.
I don’t get it. Gardner has been squeezed nine times by the umps, he’s grinded out every single at bat, I’m pretty sure that he has seen 400 pitches in the 28 at bats. He’s scrappy like Scooby’s nephew. He threw a runner out 5 games ago, he has chosen to not pull the ball at all, he has chosen to not even hit the ball more than 200 ft. With all this said, Girardi is not starting him?
“Seriously, I see the potential in Gardner and he does cause some trouble for opposing pitchers when hes on the bases. However, the people on this blog calling for Girardi to bench Cabrera and start Gardner have GOT to calm down. ”
it’s funny that there was a thread about Matsui’s injury, and all the Gardner supporters were dead silent. these guys dislike Melky more than they like Gardner.
Vote Longoria. Keep the All-Star game HGH free. That means no PEDitte and no Giambi.
This should have been the Yankees lineup tonight:
Gardner CF
Gardner’s Brother SS
Gardner’s Other Brother RF
Gardner’s Gym Teacher 3B
Gardner’s Barber 1B
Gardner’s Coke Dealer LF
Gardner’s Accountant 2B
Molina C (he always catches Mussina)
Mussina P (until Gardner’s unconceived son is old enough to pitch)
so Giambi should be there because he never messed around with that little league HGH stuff lol
I don’t get it. Gardner has been squeezed nine times by the umps, he’s grinded out every single at bat, I’m pretty sure that he has seen 400 pitches in the 28 at bats. He’s scrappy like Scooby’s nephew. He threw a runner out 5 games ago, he has chosen to not pull the ball at all, he has chosen to not even hit the ball more than 200 ft. With all this said, Girardi is not starting him?
I think it has more to do with Maholm being a lefty rather than him getting benched for negative results.
Gardner is so obviously over matched, it’s crazy. There has to be a fourth outfielder somewhere that Cashman can trade for that could do better than that stiff.
Really? Obviously overmatched? He’s been grinding out at-bats, working the count, and not straying away from what got him here. Now Betemit, on the other hand, always looks overmatched. Compare the two. Do they look similar? I at least don’t think so..
Richie Sexson in pinstripes anyone?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3481747
Mitch, that was hilarious, I seriously lol’ed. There’s some people here who would probably actually like to see that lineup. And Melky’s head on a stick.
Brett Gardner turns the water he walks on into wine
Nondy-LEAVE NOW. If you think you can come here and sway us to not vote for Giambi, you are out of your skull.
and Jorge Steinbrenner–absolutely! Do i think Gardner is a long term solution for the OF–NO. with that said, Cabrera hasn’t even shown he is breaking out of this. if you want the title of everyday CF, you better play like it,and he isn’t. I wish every day Melky would break out of this, but, low and behold, he can’t even put a ball in the outfield when we need him to. His superior arm doesn’t make up for his constant crap at the plate. and he’s not fast, which is something both Gardner and Christian bring to the team. Than again, what good is stealing 2nd and 3rd, if you don’t have a guy that can put it out of the infield?
Anybody think we should think about getting Sexson? SEA just released him. He strikes out a lot, but he can hit some jacks too. And he’s a better than average 1B.
The voting server is much faster– it was getting hammered about 20 minutes ago.
“Gardner,Christian and Melky are killing this team.”
2 bottom of the order hitters and a bench player are killing the team? 2 of the 3 have about 45 at-bats between them and they’re killing the team?
Wow, interesting line up. Seems a bit short, but it’s not like we’re playing like any sort of offensive juggernaut.
Look at Melky’s numbers compared to where Bernie Williams were at like times in their careers. Melky’s are better. He’s 23, a full year younger than Ellsbury. He’s still a kid you have to let him work out of slumps. It’s called player development.
I like Gardner but Melky’s ceiling is so much higher.
Forget about Sexson, we already have too many of other teams scraps that they didn’t want anymore. It’s becoming pathetic.
Instead, we should do this trade: Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Brett Gardner for Matt Holliday and Taylor Buchholz
Betemit looks more overmatched then Gardner? People you can’t be serious. Betemit is a .250 hitter with power. Gardner will be lucky if he ever hits over .200 for a sustained period of time. They both strike out an insane amount of times. Come on guys, Betemit is no everyday player, but hes much better than Gardner.
“Gardner is so obviously over matched, it’s crazy. There has to be a fourth outfielder somewhere that Cashman can trade for that could do better than that stiff.”
He’s had 28 official at bats. He’s played in 8 games. This is just as idiotic as the Melky is ruining this ballclub gang.
Anybody think we should think about getting Sexson? SEA just released him. He strikes out a lot, but he can hit some jacks too. And he’s a better than average 1B.
No.
Thanks, DFox. If an alien came down from Mars and read this board, they would go back and report to their planet that Americans play a game called “baseball” which is dominated by a superstar named “Brett Gardner.” Unless, of course, they have reference to http://www.baseball-reference.com and can see his age, experience and stats!
“like major league players are supposed to do during slumps (Cano), you have to go with Gardner for at least 3 series in a row.”
It took Cano 2 months to make the adjustments that major league players are “supposed” to make. Why do they “have to” go with Gardner for 3 series in a row when he hasn’t proven he can hit major league pitching as of yet?
DFox, I think your Holliday trade is getting $.30 on the dollar for Hughes. Remember, before this season, Hughes was the key guy in the Santana deal. Nobody would trade Holliday for Santana. It’s bad business, I think.
In Dilemma, take the hot red-sox fan if anything for the novelty of an actual hot red-sox fan…
that said, i don’t believe you
The lesson I teach my kids in little league is with two strikes you need to be swinging if it’s close. Don’t rely on the umpire. A rookie has to earn calls. Not necessarily fair but it is what it is. Apparently Gardner and several other Yankees never learned that?
“Gardner is so obviously over matched, it’s crazy. There has to be a fourth outfielder somewhere that Cashman can trade for that could do better than that stiff.”
the backlash begins.
this is as silly as the anti-Melky posts. Brett’s shown some nice patience at the plate at times. he plays like a rookie with promise who is still, alas, a rookie.
i’ll give him this: he looks a lot better than Melky’s initial call-up. of course, Melky was still going through puberty when we first called him up.
Bernie should never be in the same sentence as.
Melky.
If Melky did in one postseason series what Bernie did every postseason series, i would shut my mouth about Melky ever again. Bernie Williams is a GOD compared to Melky. And they are different people, so don’t talk about where Bernie was compared to Melky blah blah. If Bernie went thru something like this in this exact situation, with no prior greatness to his name, than i would say Bernie doesn’t deserve to play. But we;ve seen bernies whole career, so it’s easy to say, “look at where bernie was at and look what he did in the latter part of his career.” we have no idea what cabrera could be. i, personally, hope he turns out to be a great CF, but right now he isn’t getting the job done and the rest of the O isn’t picking up the slack.
Betemit should be shining Gardners spikes. Every time Betemit pinch hits he strikes out. Gardner has had some great at-bats against great pitchers, the hits will come.
and helllllll no to Richie Sexon.. his batting average is worse then Adam Dunns with less power and probably more money.
Wow, that’s a weak looking lineup.
At least though, he’s not batting Melky leadoff.
bang the Sox fan. marry the Yankee fan. it’s the American way.
Betemit looks more overmatched then Gardner? People you can’t be serious. Betemit is a .250 hitter with power. Gardner will be lucky if he ever hits over .200 for a sustained period of time. They both strike out an insane amount of times. Come on guys, Betemit is no everyday player, but hes much better than Gardner.
Maybe you haven’t been paying attention. When Betemit strikes out, he’ll fly open and wave at an outside/high/low/sinking/cutting/breaking/sliding/knuckling ball. He mostly hits fastballs only, but is always late on “really” fast balls (Did you see him strike out against Papelbon the other day?). He has been doing this since he became a Yankee. It’s nothing new.
First of all, Gardner has played in 8 games. Don’t critique his career as a baseball player in little over a week. Second, the majority of his strikeouts have been taken for called strike 3 (someone know where we can find out the exact number?). He battles pitchers, takes pitches, and tries to work the count in his favor. Again, he’s been in 8 games. Give the guy a chance.
No to richie sexon
Melky wasnt the only one that couldnt hit Balfour yesterday. Balfour was throwing 97 mph strikes. If I recall correctly Gardner pulled a MannyMO and never lifted the bat off his shoulder when he was up against Balfour.
Im not trying to be negative with regards to gardner, i just want everyone to stop acting like Melky is killing us so badly we have to get the savior gardner in.
If playoffs started tomorrow and we are in them, my CF is Melky and Gardner is used as a pinch runner in the late innings.
In Dilemma,
All things being equal, always take the hot chick. Besides you two can have “side bets” whenever the Yanks play the Sox. The best part is that there are no losers.
(except for me, for posting this)
(I meant to add italics for the first paragraph of my last post, as I was quoting someone)
“Keep the All-Star game HGH free.”
Impossible. Too many Red Sox on the team.
Not holding out much hope for Giambi. Just one thing … remember the spite of Met fans in 2013. When “Citifield” (*chuckle**snort*) is hosting the game, we’ve got to rally all of our support behind the top NL guys outside New York and just stuff all the ballots for them. Make sure they have no starters on the team and only one reserve.
All this voting against our guys that Sox and Met fans are doing is fueled by the fact that it’s our all-star game at our stadium. Any other park, you wouldn’t be getting such a high Yankee-hater turnout. Five years from now, remember that they tried so hard to ruin our all-star game.
Mitch, I would have agreed with you, but at this point what is Hughes worth? Right now he’s nothing more than a gamble. He’s probably not going to pitch in the majors again this year. Look what he did when he DID pitch in the majors this year. You wouldn’t involve that guy in a trade for Matt Holliday and Buchholz? Don’t forget, Buchholz is a quality pitcher too. I really believe at this point you have to wonder what Hughes is going to be. Consider depreciation. Hughes is not worth what he was at the beginning of this season.
I really like Mussina in the 9 hole
In Dilemma said
July 10th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
“There are two women who have expressed interest in me. One is a Red Sox fan – she is super hot. The other is a Yankee fan – not bad looking at all herself but not as hot. I’m a Yankee fan. Who should I choose?”
Duh!!!!! Them BOTH stupid!!!!
“Impossible. Too many Red Sox on the team.”
He said “Keep the HGH off the field,” not “keep the crabs off the field.”
The way the landscape of baseball trades are shaping out a player like Holliday would warrant starting the discussions with Ajax, Hughes, and a top B-level prospect.
Why didn’t we pick up Fernando Tatis? Right had bat with decent power… hitting .303 for the Mets.
Liar…there is no such thing as a good looking red sox fan, theyre mutants.
“The way the landscape of baseball trades are shaping out a player like Holliday would warrant starting the discussions with Ajax, Hughes, and a top B-level prospect.”
The only thing I don’t like about what you listed is AJAX. I’d rather substitute Kennedy and Gardner for him, or someone else. But it’s worth thinking about. The Yankees have a lot of young pitchers and you can’t use all of them. Some of them have to be traded.
Stop talking people! More voting for the Stache! Quit wasting the little time left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop wasting time on Giambi, the voting is rigged where Met Rays and Red Sox fans are all voting for Longoria
The ‘stache doesn’t have a chance unfortunately. Longoria will just edge out Dye.
why does every thread on this blog turn into a “Gardner sucks..melky sucks…both suck” discussion?
“Hughes is not worth what he was at the beginning of this season.”
true, but he’s still worth a lot more to the other 29 teams than he is to the commenters on Pete Abraham’s blog.
still 21-22. still top-of-the-rotation potential. still the potential of having 3-4 solid MLB pitches. a hell of a postseason relief appearance last year AND a near no-hitter in his second career start *coughnolaptoptheftscough*. yes, injury risk, but i think you still have 29 teams that would give anything to have him
Ray-
A. Cano has hit above .300 for a full season.
Melky has yet to get his swing this year. before i argue let me pose this question:
If Melky Cabrera continues to struggle the way he has this season, at what point do we say to ourselves, “we need somebody else in there?” Do we give him the benefit of the doubt the whole season? I mean its the ASB already. is 3/4 of the season the point where you say, “this guy is really killing us?” Regardless of what we all ‘think’ other players are capable of (Christian/Gardner), we should give them a shot to prove us wrong for a somewhat extended period of time if this keeps us.
On another note, are we all aware that he has faced Beckett, Kazmir, & Lester (2 hitter into the 7th). out of 8 games, he faced 2 aces and Lester who was nothing short of phenomenal that outing.
DFox
You are right, IMO, Hughes value reached its’ zenith last winter.
He is an injury prone mass of potential now, and because of that, worth more to the Yankees than any other team.
and just like on the field…. we can defeat them all
“The only thing I don’t like about what you listed is AJAX. I’d rather substitute Kennedy and Gardner for him, or someone else. But it’s worth thinking about. The Yankees have a lot of young pitchers and you can’t use all of them. Some of them have to be traded.”
I think Ajax is untouchable. I didn’t say he should be dealt but I think we don’t even get a return call from Dan O’Dowd if we are unwilling to include Ajax.
“You are right, IMO, Hughes value reached its’ zenith last winter.
He is an injury prone mass of potential now, and because of that, worth more to the Yankees than any other team.”
….but still worth more to any other team than to the commenters on Peter Abraham’s blog.
JoeyA,
Welcome to the big leagues, Rook.
Posada batting cleanup because of all the great swings he’s had lately? I like it!
Sorry – Melky’s numbers don’t measure up to Bernie Williams’.
Bernie first 3 seasons, OPS+
91
113
100
Melky’s first 3 seasons, OPS+
95
89
79
Ugly trend for Melky. He’s getting worse (and overswinging nearly every at-bat). And Bernie exploded soon after, to post OPS+ of 119, 129, 131, 147, 160, 149, 140, 138, 141. So Melky doesn’t seem to be on the same track as Bernie was.
I really think that Bernie should be considered for the HOF. He posted 7 straight years of 900+ OPS while playing CF, winning 4 rings and 4 GGs. Yes, his arm and base-stealing were always poor, but the numbers I posted above are rarely attained by CFs.
Even with Melky sucking, we need someone else. Everyone is pointing to Matsui coming off the DL. Hideki is damaged goods and won’t make it the rest of the way on his rickety wheels. We need insurance for if and when Matsui goes down. We can’t rely on JC/Gardner/Melky.
“why does every thread on this blog turn into a “Gardner sucks..melky sucks…both suck†discussion?”
because there’s actually not enough to talk about to fuel this blog 24/7.
“You are right, IMO, Hughes value reached its’ zenith last winter.
He is an injury prone mass of potential now, and because of that, worth more to the Yankees than any other team.”
….and still worth more to the other 29 teams than he is to the readers here.
“You are right, IMO, Hughes value reached its’ zenith last winter.”
Way to hold out hope for Phil:) Unbelievable.
“Ray-
A. Cano has hit above .300 for a full season.
Melky has yet to get his swing this year. before i argue let me pose this question:
If Melky Cabrera continues to struggle the way he has this season, at what point do we say to ourselves, “we need somebody else in there?†Do we give him the benefit of the doubt the whole season? I mean its the ASB already. is 3/4 of the season the point where you say, “this guy is really killing us?†Regardless of what we all ‘think’ other players are capable of (Christian/Gardner), we should give them a shot to prove us wrong for a somewhat extended period of time if this keeps us.
On another note, are we all aware that he has faced Beckett, Kazmir, & Lester (2 hitter into the 7th). out of 8 games, he faced 2 aces and Lester who was nothing short of phenomenal that outing.”
First of all your point A means nothing to me. You claim that major league players are able to right the ship.
It took Cano 2 months to right the ship. So the fact that he’s hit over .300 before means nothing to what you’re trying to say.
Your other point isn’t valid either because he’s not “killing the team” contrary to your belief. He’s been just under league average when you account for his DEFENSE, not just his arm. That’s not killing the team.
Gardner is getting his shot, he’s started in 8 of the 11 games he’s been here. If that’s not getting a shot I don’t know what is.
“DFox
You are right, IMO, Hughes value reached its’ zenith last winter.
He is an injury prone mass of potential now, and because of that, worth more to the Yankees than any other team.”
With Yankee “fans” like this is there any reason to wonder why the ‘stache couldn’t get enough all star votes?
He is 22 freakin years old. 22 freakin years old and his value has reached it’s zenith?
I wonder why anytime trades are mentioned with the Yankees Hughes name is one of the first ones that always comes up?
Miller
You took that out of context. The point being that Hughes is not going to get as much as last winter and that he is more valuable to the yankees than anyone else.
Try to whine so much.
You as well Ray
A lot of crying about Melky’s lack of offense, but I think it’s fair to say he’s the best outfielder the team has. He has a cannon, gets a good jump on the ball, is not afraid of the wall(Abreu ruining CMW no-no in Boston, anyone? anyone?)
what do you think about yanks going after a Right hand bat like Matt Holliday or a pitcher like jarod washburn?
“You took that out of context. The point being that Hughes is not going to get as much as last winter and that he is more valuable to the yankees than anyone else.”
Your point sounds idiotic to me.
Gardner has indeed faced some tough starters, and he has been called out on some pitches 4-5 inches out of the strike zone. His game is based on seeing a lot of pitches and working walks, so he’ll have to adjust a bit, and protect better with 2 strikes. With Gardner’s speed, a .330 OBP the rest of the season could make him a productive player.
BTW, Melky’s OBP is “up” to .309. I don’t want to give up on Melky, but it’s hard to imagine the NY Yankees with a CF who hits so poorly. I think that the “overmatch” we had at C, SS and CF was a big reason this team has been so successful over the last 15 years. Most teams can’t find people who can hit like Posada, Jeter and Bernie to man those positions. Having all 3 was a huge bonus, and spoiled is in some sense.
DFox, forget what we think of Hughes. On the market, he’s still a huge asset with a lot of value. Every GM would want him. He’s what, 22? His depreciation has been minimal.
raymagnetic ®™
To a hammer, everything is a nail.
If that is too complex for you to understand, it means that to an idiot everything is idiotic.
What’s sad (or amusing depending how you look at it) is that Mussina is probably the most feared hitter out of the 6-9 slots.
Listen Vrsce. If I took that out of context I guess several other people did. Maybe you should practice reading aloud your posts before posting them. The way I read that was you have given up on Hughes. What happens when the Yankees patience pays off and he pitches well? Don’t you think his value goes up more so than last winter?
alou injured again maybe we can use him as a DH next year?
what do you think about yanks going after a Right hand bat like Matt Holliday or a pitcher like jarod washburn?
I’ll take a pass on Washburn, seeing as how he’s twice been accused of statuatory rape.
“You took that out of context. The point being that Hughes is not going to get as much as last winter and that he is more valuable to the yankees than anyone else.â€
Your point sounds idiotic to me.
Actually, that makes perfect sense to me. Say the Yankees trade him and he IS the unbelievable #1 Ace of the next century..the Yankees will be kicking themselves for including him in a trade (most likely with other good prospects because of his health issues).
If they keep him, they avoid that.
“Richie Sexson in pinstripes anyone?”
Umm, NO!
I’d genuinely rather see Hank Steinbrenner suit up before putting Sexson in pinstripes.
“DFox, forget what we think of Hughes. On the market, he’s still a huge asset with a lot of value. Every GM would want him. He’s what, 22? His depreciation has been minimal.”
I pray your right. If that’s the case, then let’s use him in a deal for Holliday.
He can replace Gardner as our LF if the Gardner fans would allow that to happen.
statuary rape? Yikes! How about Matt Holliday and also paul byrd?
“I’ll take a pass on Washburn, seeing as how he’s twice been accused of statuatory rape.”
but she looked 18
I wish they just restarted the game from where it ended.
i trade for holliday we need an OF next year
how about melky hughes and kennedy
Actually, I’m saying they could get more for Hughes than Holliday.
As someone wrote above, Hughes is the first guy every other GM asks for.
For my unrealistic expectations of the day, here’s hope to a Moose RBI.
Miller
Not everyone. See Brent’s note above.
Perhaps you should study reading comprehension and not be so quick to find negativity where there is none.
“What happens when the Yankees patience pays off and he pitches well? Don’t you think his value goes up more so than last winter?”
With all do respect, for that to happen he needs to stay healthy a full season first. So far he’s 0/2 with serious injuries keeping him out. His value is never going to go up from being on the DL half the season.
richie sexson? he stinks and thats an understatement
” The point being that Hughes is not going to get as much as last winter and that he is more valuable to the yankees than anyone else.”
If Hughes has no value why is he one of the first names that comes up in trade talks?
Only an idiot would think that a player whose name constantly comes up in trade talks has no value. Did I explain it slowly enough for you?
1. Sexson is washed up. Why would you sign someone with such an appalling strikeout ratio and diminishing power?
2. Why does everyone have such a rager for Gardner? He hasn’t showed anything all that exciting other than a few extended at bats and a couple of singles.
“Actually, I’m saying they could get more for Hughes than Holliday.”
Like who? They don’t come much better than Holliday, and being that the Yankees don’t currently have a great left fielder…
Richie Sexson has truly cratered. In 2007, he created 51 runs in 500 PAs, and is on the same pace in 2008. That’s hideous. No me gusta el Richie Sexson.
Holliday? Dan O’Dowd will not move him unless he gets a boatload of high-level prospects. O’Dowd would want any and every deal to start with Ajax. That’s not going to happen folks. We trade Ajax and farm has no hitting prospects unless you can consider Charleston. A lot can happen between low-A ball and the bigs. We have a ton of depth but we can’t start trading for big names until the depth is at AA and AAA. We’re not there yet.
Apparently Scott Boras is talking about $23MM per year for Tex this winter.
and the yanks contacted the Red about Harang
“So far he’s 0/2 with serious injuries keeping him out. His value is never going to go up from being on the DL half the season.”
He’s never had any major arm troubles. As long as his injuries do not consist of arm troubles his value will remain high.
I just voted upwards of 50 times for the Big G.
Its probably too late though.
melky sucks? i challenge anyone who truly embraces this crap to compare his stats (at his age) with anyone at that same age. anyone. given the years of mlb experience he has, and the actual years he has been playing on the major level, find me a position player who played all season his first 2 years with the mlb who did better. that’s not to say it doesn’t exist. but. LOOK FOR YOURSELF. this flavor-of-the-day fanbase is annoying. certainly there are great finds out there, and rookies who deserve a shot. and: there are vets out there who do well. but. RESEARCH the numbers. and…why not check out how often jeter’s been hitting. and how often jorge grinds into double plays? my point. no one in their right mind would say jeter is worthless due to his most recent “at bats.” and, could you actually suggest a better short stop doesn’t exist? why then not chant how JETER SUCKS. why not? i’ll tell you. cause you’re safe behind the MELKY SUCKS bandwagon. i really wish more yankee fans would stop and think about WHY they espouse the beliefs they speak. if you put a few minutes into researching the actual stats of this team and compare those stats with players across the league, you would have a little more appreciation for the accomplishments of the men we have.
and another thing. every team has ebbs and flows. stop focusing on how the yankees are imperfect. i have news for the melky haters. every single team that has ever won the world series had players who sucked. get real.
2. Why does everyone have such a rager for Gardner? He hasn’t showed anything all that exciting other than a few extended at bats and a couple of singles
FINALLY! someone on my side
id rather have richie cunningham
Ichiro anyone?
Aaron,
Where did you read that the Yankees inquired about Harang?
kat gil..i dont think you would want to compare melky to andruw jones stats at his age and younger
“Actually, I’m saying they could get more for Hughes than Holliday.”
As someone wrote above, Hughes is the first guy every other GM asks for. I think we’re seeing a shift as Ajax is becoming the hot commodity. Dan O’Dowd is a pretty sharp guy. He’s not going to take mid-level prospects.
“Actually, I’m saying they could get more for Hughes than Holliday.”
As someone wrote above, Hughes is the first guy every other GM asks for. I think we’re seeing a shift as Ajax is becoming the hot commodity. Dan O’Dowd is a pretty sharp guy. He’s not going to take mid-level prospects.
MLBTRADERUMORS.COM
Harrang is either on the DL or is missing is next start with arm issues
KATGILL
i know melky is young but what has he shown over the last 3-4 years that he could be a starting CF for the Yankees hes an 4th OF or maybe a starter for the Giants,Padres,and some other team
BTW, Holliday is a Coors Field creation. I know that they have been humidifying the baseballs there in recent years, but numbers don’t lie. Over the seasons 2005, 2006, and 2007, Holliday got a massive 300 point OPS bump from playing in Coors (1.106 home, .809 road). He was basically an .800 OPS hitter on the road (usually classified as a “good” hitter), and an 1.100 OPS hitter at Coors (“Ted Williams”).
Yes, the splits have moderated somewhat this season (1.079 at Coors vs. .891 on the road), but the bulk of his career says he is not the same hitter outside of that ballpark.
Well, DFox, nobody that’s on the market. That’s why you won’t see Hughes traded.
Look, I like Holliday. I’d be happy if he was a Yankee. But you can’t discount the Colorado effect:
Career:
Home: 364/.427/1.086
Away: 278/.341/.793
This year:
Home: .368/.441/1.079
Away: .313/.406/.892
The Home guy is a superstar that makes you consider Hughes (maybe). The Away guy is a nice player that you don’t part with Hughes for.
Sexson will go to Oakland to revive his career as a DH.
KATGILL, plenty of players have been much better than Melky in their first years in the MLB. I posted Bernie’s stats above. There are literally dozens of others that have widely outperformed Melky early in their careers.
He’s just not a good hitter. It’s unlikely he ever will be.
DFox
I thought it was Matt Holliday and Taylor Buchholz for Hughes, Kennedy, some other prospects?
As for Harang, I read an article today about how his season has been awful since Dusty Baker made him through four innings and 65 pitches on two days rest in that long extra inning game. Apparently, his arm is dead and he’s on the DL.
RAY RAY
that’d be a good fit, but they already have a bunch of DH
People get “ragers” for Gardner because of his speed, not for his Batting Average. Just like you get a “rager” for Melkys arm, not his average
Sounds like Dusty Baker and Joe Girardi read the same book on how to ruin an arm. See Josh Johnson.
TL, Baker’s rap sheet is a mile long (Mark Prior being the biggest case). Girardi was a one-time offender.
i agree with the fact that melky isn’t a phenom with regard to hitting.
however. the contribution he provides in defense has been relied on OFTEN.
inasmuch as it would be nice to have the mick reincarnated for CF…we have what we have. we have a decent centerfielder who contributes what he contributes at bat.
thus, my relation to exercizing patience with other position players who aren’t necessarily mopping up the RBI’s this year.
it just gets old hearing the same thing day after day after day that MELKY is the ONE THING holding us back from perfection.
anyhow. thanks for reading all that. and go moose.
ps. i still hate tampa bay.
I stated yesterday that
Gardner = Podsednic
Slappy hitter,not much power,but blazing speed. That = 4TH Outfielder. The funny thing is i was one person who wanted us to sign Podsednic. So i got my wish. Sort of.
As far as the lineup is concerned. Mussina should be batting sixth. Oh well. Hope Moose is practicing running bases today.
I stated yesterday that
Gardner = Podsednic
Slappy hitter,not much power,but blazing speed. That = 4TH Outfielder. The funny thing is i was one person who wanted us to sign Podsednic. So i got my wish. Sort of.”
If Gardner = Podsednik then who does Melky =?
it finally cut me off from voting – i voted a couple thousand times…. probably wasted time but you never know – GOOD LUCK BIG G
Agreed on Dusty. Girardi bringing back a rookie arm after an 82-minute rain delay doesn’t speak well for the matter before his ears. Tough lesson to learn especially since Jsoh is just coming back.
Longoria and Hart are in
“The Home guy is a superstar that makes you consider Hughes (maybe). The Away guy is a nice player that you don’t part with Hughes for.”
Maybe its not the Colorado effect. Its the CHEER EFFECT. He just likes playing in parks that show him love.
Looks like Giambi lost. MLB.com says it came down to between Longoria and Dye.
I would be patient with Melky if I saw improvement at the plate. His strike zone discipline is getting much worse and he looks like no better than a .250 hitter. At some point we have to realize that players can show flashes but just don’t have what it takes to improve.
Ok. So people love Gardner’s speed. Speed is great. But you need to get on base in order to utilize it! K’s are not going to help your OBP.
We need a Mark DeRosa type player on the bench- good hitter, plays multiple positions.
My guess, unless we really play poorly the rest of this month, is that the Yankees will look for a starter who can play right now and would come on the cheap-FA lefty Washburn?? Others?
Might try and sign Freddy Garcia for a spot in the rotation next year.
Need bench help and then there might be interest in Betemit.
Doubt any interest in Hawkins.
Again if the Yankees are not out of it until August, most of their FA players will get thru waivers, making trades possible.
And yes I’d rather have Holliday, then Abreu!!
no official winners yet but:
It came down to Evan Longoria and Jermaine Dye in the AL, Corey Hart and David Wright in the NL.
You do realize that Melkys K/BB ratio is just as bad as Gardners right?
Nice to see that the Twins have remembered how to play baseball …
I don’t necessarily deny that Gardner is generally a fourth outfielder. But I think Melky is nothing more than a fourth outfielder as well.
In my estimation, once Gardner starts to drive the ball a bit better, he’ll be a more productive player than Melky.
I just wished they weren’t both starting for this team right now.
We’ve seen what Melky can do for two years and his game isn’t getting better. Most players who are 23 years old get better with playing time, but his numbers have been in decline.
Let Gardner get his opportunity to play for awhile and see what he’s capable of doing. If he doesn’t take advantage of this opportunity while Matsui is out – they’ll probably send him back down.
Harang is getting an MRI for some forearm pain, which has affected his recent poor pitching, but when healthy, NL’er or not he’s worth a look.
Yeah, now that they arent playing the Red Sox they remembered how to play baseball again
I don’t necessarily deny that Gardner is generally a fourth outfielder. But I think Melky is nothing more than a fourth outfielder as well.
In my estimation, once Gardner starts to drive the ball a bit better, he’ll be a more productive player than Melky.
I just wished they weren’t both starting for this team right now.
We’ve seen what Melky can do for two years and his game isn’t getting better. Most players who are 23 years old get better with playing time, but his numbers have been in decline.
Let Gardner get his opportunity to play for awhile and see what he’s capable of doing. If he doesn’t take advantage of this opportunity while Matsui is out – they’ll probably send him back down.”
That is exactly my feelings. Melky has had his shot, and he isnt improving, let Gardner try for a year, if he doesnt succeed, thats when our real young guns come up like AJax
Melky and Gardner are both 4th outfielders, both have 1 trait that is above average
Who is taking injured Ortiz’ spot as DH? Maybe Francona picks Giambi?
Milton Bradley
“You do realize that Melkys K/BB ratio is just as bad as Gardners right?”
Yeah. Your right. But Melky is better in 2 catagories that noone talks about.
a. The throwing a ball from the center field fence home on two hops or less contest.
b. Sliding to first.
Bradley is taking Ortiz spot
Just to throw something to all you GARDNER lovers, ok he has speed agree, like people has said you need to get on to use it. Also, Gardner has not had 1 hard hit ball since he has been up and is striking out once ever 3 ABs guys… Its a safe bet to say that he wont be on the Yankees roster next year guys so so sorry, If anyone one will be it will Jackson and Melky..
Francona better pick Giambi for that spot lol
There’s no reason to restart any in-progress game over other than greed.
If games can be called for any weather-related reason after 4.5 or 5 innings (depending on who has the lead), there’s no reason to penalize the accomplishments of the hitters and pitchers just because the game couldn’t be completed. I’d say this even if the Yankees weren’t winning at the time. It’s flat-out unfair.
So what if the pitchers and line-ups change by the time the game starts again? That happens in games all the time, regardless of weather.
If you have to be a greedy owner and collect money at the gates again, pick up the game where it left off, then charge prorated admission and concessions to fans.
Better yet, let ‘em back in for free and play ball.
Ajax hopefully is ready in 2010. After that the rest of the young guns are a long way. Ajax is it at Trenton (? Tabata?), Tampa has nothing, and Charleston is good but it’s Low-A.
Jim Callis saids mid 09′
Bradley is starting for Ortiz – there’s still a roster spot that opens up
i would love harang even though he hasnt had a good years but look at his previous year
“Jim Callis saids mid 09′”
As a best-case, perhaps. He still has earn his way to AAA by year’s end.
does anyone kno what toppings dominoes has?? i cant find it on there website
As a best-case, perhaps. He still has earn his way to AAA by year’s end.
Yup.
Just to throw something to all you GARDNER lovers, ok he has speed agree, like people has said you need to get on to use it. Also, Gardner has not had 1 hard hit ball since he has been up and is striking out once ever 3 ABs guys… Its a safe bet to say that he wont be on the Yankees roster next year guys so so sorry, If anyone one will be it will Jackson and Melky..”
You will be eating your words once Gardner has more than a week of ML experience facing Kazmir and Beckett in 2 of the games
the way people talk about Melky and Gardner you might as well call up Ajax now… can’t be any worse. Melky i’m not a huge fan of but i think he can be an effective everyday player. Gardner so far i’m a big fan of – he’s been working the counts and having great at-bats, the hits haven’t fallen yet but they definitely will. I’d play Gardner over Melky right now and at least give him a shot
I heard Callis said that but I don’t see him making much impact next year. By ready I meant to take a regular starting spot.
“I’d play Gardner over Melky right now and at least give him a shot”
Playing in 8 of 11 games isn’t being given a shot?
If you people hate Gardner for all the hype, then you are gonna hate the Yankees in the coming years with all the talent they have in the minors, and how the real fans feel about them
Toppings??
Wouldn’t it be great if the most important issue for the Yankees was Brett Gardner vs. Melky Cabrera?
test
Longoria won.
u guys get so caught up in hyping people yourselves.. u really do..
What the HECK is all this banter about Gardner vs. Melky!!!? My God, I love that we’re finally able to argue about two farm system kids’ abilities!
I will laugh so hard if Wright doesnt get chosen causing Met fans blaming Rays fans for not being good on their deal
88 games batting .247 (.206 from the right side) is being given a shot. so comparatively 8 games is a “shot” but not really a chance. Melky sucked his first week too… Let Gardner get comfortable in the majors and see what he can to
nvm i found the toppings.. thanks for no help..
Longoria and Corey Hart.
damn rays/sox/and mets fans
“so comparatively 8 games is a “shot†but not really a chance. Melky sucked his first week too… Let Gardner get comfortable in the majors and see what he can to”
I didn’t say Gardner should be sent down. I submit that he IS being given a shot, so there’s no point complaining that he’s not.
Your very welcome aaron. Should have asked your girlfriend for help….
hahahahaha Cory Hart got it
i hope longoria joins the derby and messes up his swing,lol.. i think Big G still has a shot w. Ortiz spot
Mets fans are going to go down to Florida and burn down Tampa homes for not voting enough for Wright.
At least the Met fans don’t get Wright. Heehee, one all-star!
Here is a Met fan quote
“Well, it took a pathetic amount of promotion, and disgracing the game a bit with that logo behind home plate for Hart to beat Wright. Oh well.”
Correct me if im wrong but isnt Gardner getting a shot these days? If he wants to take Melkys spot he has to earn it and the way hes going to do that is by being productive during the opportunities he gets. Going 4 for 28 doesnt really make it difficult for Girardi to choose between Melky and Gardner.
Also we can sit here and argue back and forth as much as we want but the truth of the matter is the yankees write Melkys name into the line up card everyday so they obviously dont believe that Gardner is the answer to melkys woes.
Melky will end the year strong but we also cant expect the second coming of Bern baby Bern. I admit I took it for granted when Bernie was in CF
“Also we can sit here and argue back and forth as much as we want but the truth of the matter is the yankees write Melkys name into the line up card everyday so they obviously dont believe that Gardner is the answer to melkys woes. ”
You’re also ignoring the fact that Melky, Gardner and Justin Christian are three of the OFers right now. You’re saying you’d rather see Gardner and Christian in the same OF than Melky out there?
Correct me if im wrong but isnt Gardner getting a shot these days? If he wants to take Melkys spot he has to earn it and the way hes going to do that is by being productive during the opportunities he gets. Going 4 for 28 doesnt really make it difficult for Girardi to choose between Melky and Gardner.
Also we can sit here and argue back and forth as much as we want but the truth of the matter is the yankees write Melkys name into the line up card everyday so they obviously dont believe that Gardner is the answer to melkys woes.
Melky will end the year strong but we also cant expect the second coming of Bern baby Bern. I admit I took it for granted when Bernie was in CF”
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So if what your saying is what should happen (basically sending Gardner down and giving up) Cano wouldnt be up here right now since he was Gardner esque when he first came up. And so was Melky.
I think 8 games is a little short to judge someone
“If you people hate Gardner for all the hype, then you are gonna hate the Yankees in the coming years with all the talent they have in the minors, and how the real fans feel about them”
It grinds my gears when comments like this are made. What is a REAL fan? Do you have the definition? BC if you do, I would like you to share it with the blog.
Aaron, i think most of us have the common sense not to order from Domino’s
So is Hart going to wear his sunglasses at night at the All-Star game?
Domino’s still exists?
Not once did I say that he should be sent down. In fact, I think he would make an outstanding late inning pinch runner.
Nick
haha.
i want a lil change saucy..lol cant go wrong w. the 5,5,5..
and brett gardner supporter, i finally agree w. u, 8 games to quick to judge someone.. but he didn’t even play in the majors yet and all you guys were hyping him..
Durham Yankee, when you find out what a real fan is, let me know.. i wanna be one too.. bc according to these guys Im not.. but im not the one saying that all these guys have to be gone to win.. like these guys said Abreu,Matsui,Damon,Giambi,Cano,Carera,Hawkins,Farns,Ohlendorf,ponson.. u kno etc..
Not once did I say that he should be sent down. In fact, I think he would make an outstanding late inning pinch runner.”
And that would make Melky?….. A good ball boy? Because Melkys bat is just as bad as Gardners. Check their stats the last 8 games and tell me whose AVG is higher
I’m happy for Evan Longoria – he’s having a terrific rookie season. I’m disappointed our boy Jason didn’t make it, but it wasn’t for luck of effort! What I think is a darn shame is the negative voting. I want to see the final vote tallies, though.
Geez, Gardner’s been in the Bigs for how long? And you guys are already saying he can’t hit? Give the guy a chance.
Correction: It wasn’t for LACK of effort, although it looks like luck wasn’t part of the equation, either.
KATGILL’s blog is hilarious!
I guess I’m one of the few Yankee fans that thought this whole Giambi ‘Stache promotion was moronically stupid.
Collusion by fans of other teams or not – Longoria is far more deserving of the All Star invitation than Giambi.
Frankly, I’d like to see them let Giambi walk after they decline his option after the season. Giambi has had a few productive years when he played – but overall – his production the last few years has been a disappointment.
I think if you would ask Cashman off the record, he would acknowledge that the signing was a mistake and he’d love to steal Doc Brown’s time machine and go back to 2001 and throw Giambi’s contract in the paper shredder before he had a chance to sign it.
It’s a big reason why I don’t think the Yanks are going to sign Teixeira and agree with it.
Stay away from Teixeira. He’s not the superstar that he’ll be paid to be and he’s not worth a $100M+ contract.
“Geez, Gardner’s been in the Bigs for how long? And you guys are already saying he can’t hit? Give the guy a chance.”
He hasnt hit over .300 in the past 2 years.
Dude all I am saying is that Gardner has to earn his pinstripes. Melky is playing poorly right now, I agree, but he has done many good things for us since hes been called up. If Gardner wants that same opportunity then he has to take it from Melky. You dont just hand someone CF, yo uhave to earn it. It has been only 8 games, maybe to few to judge, but Gardner has not gotten off on the right foot in terms of taking melkys position. Thats all im saying
Giambi finished 3′rd just like the Yankee’s will in the Division! Steroids do NOT belong in the All Star game and the voting proved it.
It’s funny how you guys say everyone lays over for the Sox but it’s just the simple fact of the Sox being better than these other teams including the Yankees.
“Giambi finished 3′rd just like the Yankee’s will in the Division! Steroids do NOT belong in the All Star game and the voting proved it.
It’s funny how you guys say everyone lays over for the Sox but it’s just the simple fact of the Sox being better than these other teams including the Yankees.”
You’re an idiot.
It makes me laugh that David Wright isn’t an all-star.
o well, im off boys and girls, got a basketball game.. see you later, GO YANKS!!
Things to do with Melky and Gardner.
American Gladiators
nfl Run/throw/Accuracy competition
Joes/Pros
Reality Show. Gardner “He calls me off every fly ball hit to me. Also gives me the stink eye on the dug out.”
He hasnt hit over .300 in the past 2 years.”
And Melky hasnt in 3 years…Your point?
go away joe… come back at the end of the year when the Yankees finish ahead of the Red Sox and lets see what you have to say then
“Check their stats the last 8 games and tell me whose AVG is higher”
…um Melky.
Things to do with Melky and Gardner.
Reality Show. Gardner “He calls me off every fly ball hit to me. Also gives me the stink eye on the dug out.”
Eva Longoria is so ugly.
Things to do with Melky and Gardner.
American Gladiators
Things to do with Melky and Gardner.
Go on the show A.G. Winner takes all.
““Geez, Gardner’s been in the Bigs for how long? And you guys are already saying he can’t hit? Give the guy a chance.â€
He hasnt hit over .300 in the past 2 years.”
Has Melky?
If Gardner can hit 265-280 with his OBP, he can be a fine major leaguer.
Is he the future CFer for the Yanks? No, that would be Jackson but I’d rather have Garnder > Melky as a 4th OFer.
SOS,
does a guy have to hit .300 to be considered a “hitter”?
Don’t get me wrong, he ain’t blowing my mind or anything, but I don’t think he has been around long enough to give up on already.
Things to do with Melky and Gardner.
Have them do the N.F.L.run/throw/accuracy competition.
Im really glad our biggest weakness on the team is our 9th place hitter.
Harangatang getting an MRI on his forearm.
Bedard on the DL.
Richie Sexson was released by the Mariners. ‘Nuf said.
That’s the worst update i’ve ever read
Lets just put it this way since Gardner and Melky will likely end the season with about the same AVG. Who would you rather get on base, Melky or Gardner?
“Collusion by fans of other teams or not – Longoria is far more deserving of the All Star invitation than Giambi.”
far more… really?
a justifiable case could have been made for either.
Melky did hit .300 in the minors. I dont think Gardner should be sent down. I look at him as the “Dave Roberts factor”(with sox). Big weapon to have as a 4th outfielder on the base pads late innings. But lets not compare Melky’s professional stats with Gardners MINOR league stats.
“Lets just put it this way since Gardner and Melky will likely end the season with about the same AVG. Who would you rather get on base, Melky or Gardner?”
Really? Same average? Gardner is only hitting .147 more than you.
In 8 games Andy, in 8 games.
Is it easier to score from 1st base or 2nd base Andy? Because Gardner can be on 2nd base very easily
“Eva Longoria is so ugly.”
Maybe we could get him to wear a fake mustache? Eh?
It’s funny that despite Gardners low AVG, he has more RBIs, runs, steals, sacrifices, and game winning hits than the Melk man.
“If Gardner can hit 265-280 with his OBP, he can be a fine major leaguer. ”
Sure. Will he? We have no idea. Translate his numbers from the minors, and he’s about a .250 hitter with an OBP of around .350 and no slugging. That’s a fringey MLB player, even with his speed. His K rate makes me think that he won’t get on base that much without hitting closer to .270-.280. And I don’t know if he can do that.
Melky has 8 stolen bases in 88 games
Brett has 4 stolen bases in 8 games
far more… really?
a justifiable case could have been made for either.
Yes, Longoria was far more deserving.
Longoria’s BA is 30 points higher and you could also make the case that he’s already the top defensive third baseman in the league.
Giambi is one-dimensional because he’s a butcher at 1B.
Stupid Evan..
We tried ‘stache..we tried…
Can Mariano win the lifetime achievement MVP award like Kobe did this year?
So, enough of this Gardner/Melky babble. They are both currently mediocre.
I look forward to a nice performance by the Moose tonight. We need to keep winning.
Wow, Andy in SD is such a whiny girl.
He has some weird obsession with a fourth outfielder in Melky for whatever reason and it’s quite creepy.
I have no idea why he’s so opposed to letting Gardner show what he can do the same way Melky has had his opportunity to do something for two years.
Gardner,
They won’t give it to Mo. Doesn’t K-rod have more saves?
They’ll give it to the guy with the most wins on a contending team.
BTW, still love Cairo. He actually started at 1B today. The Big Sexy replaced by Cairo. lol.
I dont care WHO is playing as long as they help our team.
Richie Sexson ……
signed 4-year deal worth 50M thru 2008 season on 12/15/04- he will make 4.5M in 2005, 11.5M in 2006 and 14M in both 2007 and 2008- + he receives a 6M signing bonus payable in 2006
Agent: Casey Close
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Seattle will eat a decent amount of salary to let him go and some team will take a flyer for the major league minimum but not the Yankees.
The wind he creates from his whiffs can be felt over in Jersey. Cashman should be busy putting a package together for Holliday or Nady.
Gardner,
They won’t give it to Mo. Doesn’t K-rod have more saves?
They’ll give it to the guy with the most wins on a contending team.
BTW, still love Cairo. He actually started at 1B today. The Big Sexy replaced by Cairo. lol.”
Yeah but lets just say (unfortunetly it is seriously unlikely) Mo stays perfect, and winds up with a sub 2 ERA. and only trails K Rod by less than 7 Saves, what then? I dont see any AL pitchers I believe will be as good as they have been for the whole year
“BTW, still love Cairo. He actually started at 1B today. The Big Sexy replaced by Cairo. lol.”
Marvelous Miguel Cairo will always have a warm place in my heart.
Hell with all this talk about Melky and Gardner. Im going to go with the black sheep.GIVE CHRISTIAN A CHANCE!
What do u think team will give up for mo?
“Can someone explain playing Melky over Gardner?”
Easy, Melky is a better MLB player than Gardner. At Age 23, he has already proven he can play at the MLB level. Gardner has not.
“Yes, Longoria was far more deserving.
Longoria’s BA is 30 points higher and you could also make the case that he’s already the top defensive third baseman in the league.”
But Giambi’s OBP is 40 points higher. That matters more than AVG. Longoria’s D adds to his resume, you’re right. Is Longoria’s D worth him making outs significantly more frequently?
“Seattle will eat a decent amount of salary to let him go and some team will take a flyer for the major league minimum but not the Yankees.”
Seattle’s already eating his whole salary. They had to in order to release him.
CC? Johan? Bedard? Harden? Haren? Oh, wait…
Beckett? Oh, wait…
Wang? Oh…
Cliff Lee? Ducherserserer?
If Mussina hits 20 wins, ERA around 3.00, he’ll win it. He’ll get the Kobe.
“Cashman should be busy putting a package together for Holliday or Nady.”
Let’s ignore the fact that there are good reasons to avoid both those trades. You’re saying Cash should pass on a commitment-free move that could help the team because…he might forget to make other trades?
Easy, Melky is a better MLB player than Gardner. At Age 23, he has already proven he can play at the MLB level. Gardner has not.”
Haha, again, 8 games is a very small sample size, and Melky has proven he is a 4th OFer
“Lampchop”, Seatlle is eating Sexton’s entire contract. He was out and out released, not put on waivers. Whatever team signs him will only pay a pro-rated portion of the minimum wage for MLB. He doesn’t go through waivers, so, it makes no difference what team signs him in regard to order of standings/record.
Alright. Guiseppe Franco (great name, by the way). Let me know how many games until I can complain about Gardner. How many at bats? How many working the count, looking-for-a-walk-while-taking-strike-three at bats do I have to watch? 200? 300? 400? You tell me. You will not see me complain about Godner again.
***Seattle***
What boys? His children or his friends?
I just can’t fathom the Yankee offense not turning it on with what they have. Would trading for Holliday guarantee anything? No. This on top the asking price equals “No, but thanks.”
Longoria is definitely deserving. Good for him.
I teach Summer school. I had all the kids in the computer room voting for Longoria. I would like to think I had something to do with knocking down the silly STACHE campaign.
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And the reasoning for Cashman to forget either a Holliday or Nady deal is ????
Sexson will do as much as Shelley Duncan did. Thanks but no thanks.
here’s the situation for TD and 2009 FA market
Trade Deadline
Yanks should make a trade for Holliday and/or Fuentes, or Xavier Nady. It would probably Holliday and Fuentes for IPK, Brett Gardner(or maybe AJAX), and Melancon(according to Star Ledger) + player to be named later.
2009 FA Market
Yankees should get CC Sabathia and opt out giambi and sign him to a one yr deal. If that dosen’t happen, they should sign tex for at least 100 mil, cause no one will give him that much besides us
Mel – I believe it’s “friends”
“If Mussina hits 20 wins, ERA around 3.00, he’ll win it. He’ll get the Kobe.”
mel,
I’d prefer him miss out on the KOBE and help us win a CHAMPIONSHIP.
You left yourself open for that one.
Joe,
Really? Sounds like child labor to me.
The kids really under stood and one of them equated voting for the stache to voting for Barry Bonds. I thought they are pretty smart (even though the’re in Summer school) for 5′th and 6′th grade kids.
“And the reasoning for Cashman to forget either a Holliday or Nady deal is ????”
We’ve beaten the Holliday thing to DEATH on the board already. Go look at his splits at Coors vs away and tell me if you think he’s worth the kind of package that the Braves gave up for Teixeira.
Nady? It’d be the classic case of buying high. He’s playing over his head, and there are teams with deep prospect pockets that value him as a starting OFer. The Rays, for example. Xavier Nady is not the missing piece for us. For the Rays…he’s an upgrade at one of their few weak positions. Do you want to try to outbid them for him?
“under stood” And you’re teaching summer school? That is a scary thought.
Lampchop, the difference in signing sexton is he costs no players and about 175,000 dollars for the remander of the year. At any time they choose to release him for whatever reason, they lose next to nothing. At the end of the year, they can keep him, let him go, or, offer him a contract. If he turns it down, he may be worth a 2nd round pick or, again it cost the NYY nothing.
“Sexson will do as much as Shelley Duncan did.”
His line this year against lefties has been discussed all afternoon. It’s very good. He costs nothing. He’d take ABs away from Wilson Betemit hitting righty. If he doesn’t work out, he’s gone. Shelley hit no one. At all.
Why would that not be worth a shot, again?
“I teach Summer school. I had all the kids in the computer room voting for Longoria. I would like to think I had something to do with knocking down the silly STACHE campaign.”
No teacher left behind. Thats great. My kid is learning how to vote on a game that doesnt count,rather than getting prepped for the real world. Thank you teacher!!
Alright. Guiseppe Franco (great name, by the way). Let me know how many games until I can complain about Gardner. How many at bats? How many working the count, looking-for-a-walk-while-taking-strike-three at bats do I have to watch? 200? 300? 400? You tell me. You will not see me complain about Godner again.
Well, Melky has had two years to prove his worth and hasn’t done it.
Maybe you should give Gardner at least the rest of the season to see what he can do.
***remainder***
http://www.boston.com/sports/c.....to_finish/
have you all seen this? some bitter betty rant in the boston globe about all things yankee and all-star game. the comments are enough to make my ears bleed, by the way.
Joe,
under stood?
the’re?
5′th?
6′th?
Those poor kids.
So Guiseppe, Melky did nothing in his first two years? He was an automatic out?
“The Yankees are hopeful Hughes will return in September.”
Phil, don’t even bother.
Ya know what? The ‘stache campaign was pure fun. It brought some levity around, and that’s not a bad thing, not for the fans, and not for the team. You have to lighten up sometimes.
Evan Longoria definitely deserves to go; so did Giambi, so did Jermaine Dye, so did everyone listed in those ten names; There are a number of deserving players who are not going to the All-Star Game. And there are a couple of players going about whom it is questionable that they deserve the honor.
But let’s face it. The All-Star Game is no longer what it was. It is now a feel-good event for the fans.
I wish Giambi made it, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over it, either.
I just wish people could relax and enjoy the opportunities given to take a break from the stress of life. “Support the ‘Stache” was just such an opportunity.
As for Melky vs. Gardner – is there REALLY anything left to argue about?
By the way, good wishes to Damon, Matsui and Hughes in their rehab.
“As for Melky vs. Gardner – is there REALLY anything left to argue about?”
Who’s better? Melky speaking english or Gardners spanish?
Sorry Howie. Too much text messaging does that to you! Will you ever forgive me?
“His line this year against lefties has been discussed all afternoon. It’s very good. He costs nothing. He’d take ABs away from Wilson Betemit hitting righty. If he doesn’t work out, he’s gone. Shelley hit no one. At all.
Why would that not be worth a shot, again?”
Signing Sexson to play 1B vs lefties is a no-brainer, at least if Matsui is out for a while. However, signing him would cost us the third catcher which has evidently been so valuable for us (ha-ha) so my guess is it won’t happen.
Gotta have that insurance.
“Joe,
under stood?
the’re?
5′th?
6′th?
Those poor kids.”
Tell me about it. They let morons like this teach the youth of our country? No wonder our education system is so far behind the rest of the world’s …
Alou to have surgery on his hammy.
“What boys? His children or his friends?”
There may be another possibility. I dare not speculate.
What Melky did two years ago doesn’t matter now. It’s not like he deserves a lifetime pass because he played well in 2006.
People keep harping on Melky’s age as a reason to give running him out there. But 23 yr old kids are supposed to be getting better with playing time and Melky’s numbers are in decline.
That is indisputable.
The team has run Melky out there everyday for so long now whether he deserved it or not. The good thing about having a decent farm system is competition and giving someone else a chance to play.
Melky’s had his chance. It’s that simple.
Joe you should be ashamed of yourself…. teaching kids… teach urself first
Joe,
Forgiven for the spelling, but not for the voting.
Kids should make their own decisions.
Sounds like you forced them to go online and vote.
“So Little Johnny, what did you do in school today?”
Joe, I hope your teaching license gets revoked for mis-appropriating time that kids who have been failing during the year getting a moron like you “teaching them” to type in numbers. What did you teach them? Nothing. So on top of it all, you are stealing your salary.
Think about it. Here you have someone who is nothing but a loser “teaching” kids who have failed already on how to become larger failures, then he pats himself on the back for it. In the grand scheme of things, what this moron Joe did against these kids is just sad.
Don’t worry, bad karma will get you.
Hey, Arod and Paul O’Neill made the Anti All-Stars and Ponson was runner up on Sportsline.com, Go figure.
Guiseppe,
Melky didn’t have a bad year last year. I think 73 rbi from the 9th spot is pretty good. He had two bad months this year, but to give up on him now is absolutely ridiculous.
“Think about it. Here you have someone who is nothing but a loser “teaching†kids who have failed already on how to become larger failures, then he pats himself on the back for it. In the grand scheme of things, what this moron Joe did against these kids is just sad.”
Guys!! Its o.k. He teaches in Boston. That answer many unanswered questions. As Damon would say ” the city of idiots”.
wow, joe, you’re an awesome role model. those kids in summer school will definitely do better in the fall now that they know how to vote for evan longoria on the all-star ballot. you’re definitely one of those teachers that we all wish we had.
Old Goat, That was not part of my salary. I get paid extra for working in the Summer. Come on,anyone as intelligent as you should know these things.
And an educated person such as yourself spelled kharma wrong.
Alex is going to get to see his daughters in Toronto this weekend. The lawyers, Alex and Cynthia worked out a visit for him to see his daughters. It’s front page of the Post and News on-line. I guess now that Christie Brinkley’s divorce has been settled, Alex gets the front page all to himself!
are you really, a teacher?
Melky didn’t have a bad year last year. I think 73 rbi from the 9th spot is pretty good. He had two bad months this year, but to give up on him now is absolutely ridiculous.
And to give up on Gardner after 28 ABs is far more ridiculous.
One is playing in his third full season and the other is entering his third full week.
Big difference.
SOS 27, You are wrong. Yes, I went to college in MA but I work for the one and only NY school system. You see, everyone in NY is not a Met or Yankee fan.
Wow Joe!
Please tell me you are kidding about “karma” being spelled “kharma”.
“The kids really under stood and one of them equated voting for the stache to voting for Barry Bonds. I thought they are pretty smart (even though the’re in Summer school) for 5′th and 6′th grade kids.”
What kind of “teacher” uses apostrophes as in 5′th and 6′th???
Idiot.
“I get paid extra for working in the Summer.”
So as he said, you’re stealing your salary.
Then Peter should take note of your IP address and report you to the New York School Board administration. What a tool.
“SOS 27, You are wrong. Yes, I went to college in MA but I work for the one and only NY school system. You see, everyone in NY is not a Met or Yankee fan.”
Thank god my kids are being taught in California. I will never have a parent teacher conference complaining that my child isnt learning enough again. The grass isnt always greener.
Sad to see Giambi lose. Now win 4 games in a row to prove a point.
Alright, almost game time. I am not that bad that I would bother you guys during a game. Later.
But don’t talk about me behind my back because that really hurts.
I hope Gardner can hit! I hope that he is the next Rickey Henderson and not the next Herb Washington.
I guess that you wouldn’t want Jeff Franceour on the Yankees. After all he’s in his third year and struggling.
I will never understand why people who are not Yankees fans frequent this blog. I know it’s a free country, all that, and anyone who wants to be here has a right to be here. I just don’t understand the “why” of it.
I get impatient with those of us who don’t ever seem to allow for a simple slump, even a simple EXTENDED slump. It’s always a sure decline. The baseball season is a very long one. Why don’t we wait until the end to make definitive determinations about whether someone’s season is proof of decline. Or meteoric rise, for that matter.
Joe Torre himself used to muse about how one year he was a .340 hitter on top of the world, and the next year, he was a .240 hitter without a clue. Sometimes it just happens that way.
Who died and made you board English teacher, Angel?
I swear. Some people here would rather cause problems than talk baseball.
joe, it’s nice to know that the largely underserved population that sends their kids to NYC public schools can depend on your steadfast, wise guidance as they struggle to give their children a better life. let us know when the nobel peace prize committee schedules your awards ceremony.
ps its spelled “karma” – doesn’t take too much to be a teacher these days, does it?
“You see, everyone in NY is not a Met or Yankee fan.”
Incorrect. I know for a fact that there are people in NY who are Met or Yankee fans. The proper sentence would be:
Not everyone in NY is a Met or Yankee fan.
See? Proper sentence structure. I guess they teach that to the 7th graders?
From Merriam-webster.com (They’re the dictionary people in case you didn’t know.
karma
One entry found.
karma
Main Entry: kar·ma
Pronunciation: \ˈkär-mə also ˈkər-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Sanskrit karma fate, work
Date: 1827
1often capitalized : the force generated by a person’s actions held in Hinduism and Buddhism to perpetuate transmigration and in its ethical consequences to determine the nature of the person’s next existence
2: vibration 4
— kar·mic \-mik\ adjective
Bugger off and get your rabies shots, Jin.
For an admitted steroid user to gain this much fan support says alot about people’s ability to forgive others. Or maybe it’s just the stache?
Angel I can top that:
No results found for Kharma.
Another game without Michael Kay – how nice.
Angel, you are a real class act. Keep up the good work.
lol, JoeT.
I thought i’d be kind and give him a lesson, he could clearly use it.
Joe are you really that stupid? Karma is the generally accepted spelling, the spelling you refer to rarely used. So, not only are you a thief, you don’t know what you are talking about.
Regarding your salary. You are being paid. That is a salary, and you being paid for teaching kids in summer school and teaching them nothing means you are stealing from the school district, and even worse than stealing your additional paycheck from the school district, you are stealing the education from these kids that you are supposed to be instructing.
I feel so validated that Angel went out on her own into the world wide web to look that up. You are right Jin!
Always nice when you see english lessons by random commenter’s on a Yankee game day.
Come on, people. Focus on the game.
“And an educated person such as yourself spelled kharma wrong.”
No, he didn’t. There is no “h” in karma.
You’re thinking of “Dharma and Greg”, apparently.
Jin, when I care what some random person named Jin on the internet thinks of me, you’ll be the the first to know.
I like how Jeter wished the Pirates a fine Maholm to start the game.
So that’s how you keep Jeter from GIDP.
LOL Wolf.
Real original Joe, changing two letters to Jin.
Angel, you need a “zOMG” and a “!!!!!1!1eleventy!!! in your title there.
So I have the evening free to post throughout the game for a change. Any of you cool people hanging around or am I going to get stuck hanging with the trolls and malcontents?
“Always nice when you see english lessons by random commenter’s”
As long as we’re giving lessons to random commenters, please note that there is no apostrophe in the proper usuage of the plural of commenter.
Let’s get a win today!
I have to thank Joe. Yes. Thank you for changing the subject from Melky vs. Gardner to you.
haha.. okay Wolf, here you go.
A-rod loves them strippers.. I say to get him hitting better in the clutch the Yankees pay for his strippers fees as an incentive if he comes through in the clutch.
woo! grammar! and i thought my thursday night was going to be lame!
Hey Wolf!
Anyone else think that ARod goes to 0-2 way, way too much? Anyone else think he looks a little funky at the plate lately? Anyone else letting thoughts creep into the back of their mind that a guy who’s paid as much as ARod’s paid should be doing more of what Josh Hamilton and Ryan Howard do?
can anyone on this team NOT swing at the breaking ball that’s out of the strike zone? look like a bunch of Triple A hitters up there.
Doreen i agree, also i think he has brought a curse to the Yankees just like the cubs have a curse and the red sox had a curse
That was a nice at bat by Jorge..
not to name names, but when i was in law school in boston (not too long ago) a certain second baseman loved him the ladies. particularly one in my first-year section. i saw him out and about at more than a few parties. i guess he was just getting legal tips on his contract talks, since he’s married and all…
Question – is gameday crazier than usual or are they really swinging at pitches soooo outside the strike zone?
oh and if anyone is interested, gameday still has the video highlights from the first version of this game
ps i’m kidding – i just hate the a-rod rumors! leave the man alone!
Very efficient inning!
How long has Moose been sportin’ the high socks?
gotta love 5 pitch innings. moose is unbelievable. i really though he was done in april
5 pitches?!
Beautiful, Angel. (zOMG!aNGel iz t3h r0XX0rzzz!!!1!1!!!eleventy!!!)
Hey Doreen! I guess I DO get the cool peeps tonight.
Yes, ARod is getting quickly behind in the count way too much this year. But it’s the multitude of infield popups he’s churning out that’s really killing me. But every time I turn around, he’s hitting well over .300, so…. I guess with a player like ARod, the crummy plays just stick out in our minds more. But again, too many fast 0-2 counts on him.
why did he waste those 2?
They sure made Moose work…
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Nah, I don’t believe in curses. ARod just doesn’t seem as locked in as much as he was last season. Swinging at too many bad looking pitches.
i love high socks – always makes people play better.
the bottom third of our lineup is anemic. fingers crossed!
Pete I heard the rationale for the pitcher hitting 8th. I guess that LaRussa does it lots too. With a guy like Pujols, who is their best hitter and their best power threat, once they get through hte lineup there are usually more guys on base when the number 3 hitter gets to the plate. Not likely to have 3 guys on base once the number 3 hitter comes to the plate. But wwho the heck knows???
When did they start calling Ken Singleton “Singy?” For some reason, it just sounds strange to me.
Wolf -
I know what you mean. He MUST be doing something! But, he only has 12 more RBI than Robbie Cano, who, as you may know, hadn’t been hitting much. And Abreu has more than he has, and we all know what the blog thinks of Abreu. (I know he was on the DL for 3 weeks.)
pipe down (Jorge I am going to the mets if I don’t get 4 years)
Nice play by Jeter.
Jeter had angel wings on that play.
Is there still a Mrs. Giambi? Or did she get lost along the way….
I think those knickers and high socks make the players look like little school boys….Grow up guys and wear long pants.
Yes but Doreen, you can’t really look at RBI as a comparative stat – too much depends on what the hitters ahead of you do in the lineup.
It is weird, though, since it seems like his average should be lower. He’s like this mythical figure that you hear about but never really see.
I can’t believe that’s the bottom of our lineup. I think Moose is a better hitter than Christian. I would have batted him 8th.
Hey, Pete, the reason that Phil Hughes will be back in September is that the minor league season ends around Labor Day. If Hughes is healthy, throwing a baseball and ready for competition, the only place he is going to get any work in September is with the Big League team.
Jorge doesn’t seem happy..
That’s great you like to catch Jorge, but you can’t throw anyone out right now..
Phil, loser.
If Jorge can show he can throw out baserunners, than he can return to catching. I’m assuming Girardi is not completely convinced his shoulder is healthy.
rb 15 is correct. ARod’s ribbie #’s can be explained by three things.
1.) The aforementioned DL stint
2.) Nobody getting on base in front of him to drive in (hence, all those “worthless” solo HR’s)
3.) Abreu is stealing all the baserunners ahead of him that DO get on base.
For the record, me likes me some Booby Abreu.
rb15 -
I know, I know. I’m looking over at the Yankees’ stats right now. No matter how you slice it, ARod, numerically is doing very well. Except they don’t have avg with RISP on page I’m on. But anecdotally, I don’t think ARod’s making people happy enough. It is true that with him the focus ends up being on his failures than his successes, though.
I’d be interesting to know how much of that lack of RBI stat has to do with the fact that he’s been coming up an awful lot as the lead off man in the 2nd inning, after the 1-2-3 hitters have a 1-2-3 inning. I’ve noticed a lot of those too this year.
mussina doesn’t seem to have his good stuff tonight, but its early
Oy
Come on Moose
Wolf -
#3 makes a lot of sense.
Also ARod ends up leading off too many innings. But when he does come up with RISP, he’s pressing a little, maybe? To make up for the lack of opportunities, maybe?
That was too good a hit that guy just got off Moose.
But, the K makes it okay.
This time it helped that the Pittsburgh pitcher was in the 8th spot.
Pitches-strikes – M Mussina 28-20; P Maholm 28-18.
odd they both end up at the same pitch count
Doreen, just anecdotally (no stats), I feel like A-Rod’s riding the wave this year. He hits when everyone else does, and he gets out when everyone else does. I find him frustrating because we need him to be the guy that can turn an inning around, and he’s not really doing that this year.
Also, I’m willing to bet that A-Rod scores a lot of runs, but doesn’t hit well with RISP. I’m not sure if the two even each other out in my mind – I guess the good thing about A-Rod that I think makes him more valuable than another .300 #4 hitter is that he runs well, and he can help himself out on the basepaths more than a Manny can.
“It’s a battle of center field sensations, with Melky Cabrera taking on…”
Melky, center field sensation according to YES! Take that.
That was my thought about Abreu having more RBI’s than Arod. If he’s cleaning them up, then there isn’t as many opportunities for Alex.
Hiya RB15, btw.
Moose fits in perfect with the bottom of the line-up. Still think he’s getting a hit next at-bat, bloop shot over the shortstop
hi angel – long time no see! i’ve been reading but not posting lately – unfortunately, my actual job and my wedding (in three weeks!) are interfering with my yankees love. hopefully, soon my priorities will get back to normal.
rb15 -
He leads the team in runs scored with 52. Jeter 51. Damon 50.
Now that you say it, it IS like he rides the wave (nice way to put it). And you’re right. The team needs him to be more than that. He’s no chopped liver, for sure, but for him the expectations are, and should be, high.
Alex… swing.
That ARod and his warning track power! (j/k)
Think Posada wants to catch???
Phil Hughes has lost too many innings pitched this year and there’s no question that he’ll need to pitch at least some limited innings in the Arizona Fall Instructional League to keep in baseball shape.
Well, that sucked.
Here’s another thing to consider. Say Alex had homered there with Bobby on first. His RISP would not benefit because Abreu wasn’t technically in scoring position at 1B. I wonder how many times that has happened for him?
Wow.. its almost that time already? Time passes so quickly. Good luck!! I really hope you have a wonderful wedding celebration.
ps COMPLETELY off topic, but the day the yankees sign barry bonds is the day i hang up the metaphorical spikes for good. some things are more important than getting a lefty with power into the lineup.
Well, I’m glad that guy wasn’t hitting 8th (all things being equal of course). 2 runs would have scored.
Was Melky playing too shallow, maybe?
thanks – i think it will be nice. now if i can just manage to look pretty and not spill anything on my dress for six hours or so, i should be all set…
Wolf -
Good point!
rb15 -
Talk on “The Show” on XM with Dibble and Kennedy was that the Mets might try for Bonds. Basically they said the Mets have already gone through one circus and survived so what’s another one? Plus in a really cheap shot they said it might add some personality to their clubhouse. Ouch.
Ok, so 1-0.
Anyone know if the offense made this trip or is it just pitching and defense?
good point wolf – especially since bobby tends to hit to right field, so it would be easier for fast runners like jeter or damon to score from second (or even first) on an abreu hit. meanwhile, bobby’s probably stopping at first on a hit to right field.
rb15 -
I hope your wedding day is wonderful! And with all the plans and details and such, remember to have fun.
A-Rod hasn’t carried the team this year like he did last year but his numbers are more than respectable when you factor in number of games played compared to others on the team or even around the league.
It’s all about expectations with him. You don’t notice the good because you expect it but notice the bad when it disappoints you.
Wow. Ryan Doumit’s gameday mug shot is c-r-e-e-p-y.
I think I’m having a sense of Deja Vu from another game when I say that.
The guy with the first hit in the 2nd for Pitt, Nady, is a guy we should be looking at. Plays RF and 1B, power and avg. hitter – though this is a career year for him. 29 years old, making $3.35 MM, is an arb 3 next year so we could keep him. Power is supressed by playing in Pitt. They don’t need him – with Bay and McLouth, and 2 of their best prospects are OF’s in AAA (McCutcheon and Pearce, who also plays 1B just like Nady, both are righties) he’s a good but extra piece that will get pricier next year off his success this one. But I’ve saidthis too many times already, and we’re not the only team after him. Bucs are desperate for pitching, perhaps a couple of our 208 minors starters could turn the trick. He’s not a guy that would require Hughes, not that the Bucs GM won’t ask.
Good play getting the runner at 2nd – now there are 2 outs.
Well said, pat.
Doreen – I love listening to Kennedy and Dibs… my favorite show on XM. They know the game and want it played the right way. Dibble is funny, especially when they talk about some bean balls. Most people are like oh there’s no place in the game for it etc. etc. and Dibs is always like hey you need to protect your players, you have to buzz people some times!! lol
I’m going to state for the record that I would not be upset to see Jason Bay in pinstripes.
Great. No Giambi in the All-Star game. Now I don’t have to explain to my son why steroid cheaters are rewarded with honors they don’t deserve.
Giambi for All-Time Scum team, sure. But All-Star ? No way.
thanks doreen! im trying to remember that – nobody will remember if the napkins are the right shade of light blue, but they will remember if i am laughing and smiling all night. and so will i!
let’s go robbie!
We will not score tonight. Mark it down.
If that was Gardner, he would have been safe
I really wish that the Yankees would start scoring some runs soon.
unfortunately, dembore, steroid cheaters are given honors they don’t deserve all the time. giambi’s just one of the few whose been honest about his mistakes. to not realize that is naive.
i’m leaving work for the night – catch you all soon! go yankees!
Of course you’ll look pretty. Brides just do – no matter what.
Ack, that was robbed. I’m with you on Barry Bonds, Rb.
With the lineup they’re running out today they’ll be lucky to score the typical 2 runs unless A-Rod hits a bomb with runners on.
“Giambi for All-Time Scum team, sure.”
he paid for his mistakes and has played clean for a while now, and is showing he didn’t need peds in the first place.
tim to move on.
hopefully someone teaches your son that.
yeah I gotta give Giambi credit – everyone that got caught ran and hid and didn’t answer questions, 5 or so perjured themselves. Giambi admitted it and apologized, give him some credit for that
I’m glad you’re so above making mistakes, that you can afford to take the moral high ground and have a superior attitude towards those who have.
You should go start a cult of perfection in honor of yourself, Dem Bore.
Where is the notion coming from that Arod has had a paucity of ABs with RISP? If he played a full season at the pace he’s at per game, he’d have 200 ABs with RISP.
the season consists of more than just the last 2 games of the Red Sox series. He’s had plenty of chances overall.
His RBIs aren’t nearly what they should because he’s batting about .240 with RISP, is about 10 for 25 getting the runner in from third with less than 2 outs and he’s hit about 2/3 of his homers with noone on base. In other words, he hasn’t hit nearly as well situationally as he has overall. Something you could say about the team in general.
Considering the fact that he just signed what could be a $300+ million dollar contract, yeah I’d say that the expectations for him are high.
“Giambi for All-Time Scum team, sure. But All-Star ? No way.”
Yeah, he’s scum because he took steroids. Brilliant. You’re a moron.
I’m really not liking this Pittsburgh GM, after listening to him talk.
JoeT 28 in 09-
I love Dibs and Kennedy too. I need to get a radio for my house, though. If I don’t happen to be in the car at 3, I don’t get to hear them.
How can these guys not be up for this game. 2 freakin hits against Cy Maholm.
I know it is only 1-0 but seriously, slow pitch pitcher is beating these guys.
i went to college with the pirates gm – don’t know him well, but i’ve always had a soft spot for him.
not for his team though – LETS GO YANKEES! WIN THIS GAME!
Can someone explain to me why they put pitcher in the No.8 hole? I don’t understand the theory behind that.
“Considering the fact that he just signed what could be a $300+ million dollar contract, yeah I’d say that the expectations for him are high.”
Show some sort of evidence that shows that hitting with RISP is significantly different than hitting overall, except for sample variance, and I’ll give you your point.
Otherwise, I just think you’re an idiot.
Offense? Can they show up now? K. Thnx.
This is why I was pissed when the game got rained out last time, and everyone else was just complaining about how the game should have been during the day
the thinking is that putting the pitcher in the 8 spot will give them 2 lead-off hitters…it’s apparently the “in thing” to do nowadays
At this pace, We probably need help for bat before trading deadline,not for pitching.
“Can someone explain to me why they put pitcher in the No.8 hole? I don’t understand the theory behind that.”
Dunno about the Pirates, but the Cards do it because Pujols is the ‘#4 hitter’, but bats #3 to get him up in the 1st inning, and ~10-20 more PAs over the course of the season.
The Brewers did it because Kendall, while able to hit ~.300, is very slow (catcher), and is a GIDP machine. So, they batted him #9, after the pitcher; if the #7 guy gets on, pitcher bats him over, and no DP chance.
You can’t believe you’ll score many runs with a lineup like the one out there today.
How do I show that? Take, say, the last 5 years. Arod’s tenure in New York, and show you examples of individual players who have been far better with RISP than they have overall? Then do I get to call you a nitwit?
Stop with this gardner Melky debate… Melky deserves to be in center field and I believe he should be kept there for a long time and on the other hand Gardner should be traded.. I will explain with these following points
1) Yankees do not need an all-star at every position. Having all-stars at every position means no chemistry and hence no heart and no clutch hitting or fielding. In return having Melky in center field gives the Yankees a great deal of heart and tremendous fielding. He has a cannon and helps our defense tremendously. Dont we all remember defense and pitching wins championships. Therefore Melky has the edge.
2) Who says Gardner can hit. The abats he takes are good and smart but when he swings he does not swing with his legs. As a result the Yankees will need to change his mechanics. Yet this process might take a while and maybe screw up his swing totally.
3) Melky is not a great hitter, and has not hit at all in runner in scoring position but he has some pop, and sometimes is a pesky difference maker on the bases. Oo yea everyone is going to say Gardner has better abilities on the bases which is 100 percent true but who says he is going to have an outstanding on base percentage. Or even make a difference because who knows if he will get on a regular basis
4) Gardner has more trade value and a lower upside then Melky. What happens if Melky turns things around and starts pounding the ball. If he does he is not pounding singles he is pounding doubles and homeruns. Unlike Melky if Gardner gets hot all he is hitting is singles and possible gab doubles however maybe not even doubles becasue he does not use his legs. However everyone thinks Gardner is a hot prospect. I say we trade him and get some more young pitching.
OK! I got it. Thanks for help. I am very appreciated at that.
whoever is doing gameday today is TERRIBLE
Moose
Moooooose
It would be nice if everyone else could hit like Moose.
and MUSSINA gets a hit
Ack.. Moose is on the basepaths. *holds her breath*
Kinda off topic, but these FSN Pittsburgh commentators are idiots.
“How do I show that? Take, say, the last 5 years. Arod’s tenure in New York, and show you examples of individual players who have been far better with RISP than they have overall? Then do I get to call you a nitwit?”
Examples are not equal to proof. Given how many, exactly, players in MLB history?, you can surely find specific examples of players who hit better or worse with RISP. But is this a feat that is projectible forward? I don’t think so.
I can give you an example that someone danced in a circle naked, and it rained. This is not sufficient evidence to show that dancing in a circle naked makes it rain.
I’m watching gameday – was it a blooper over the shortstop like I predicted?
Moose must have just won a bet right? The only Yankee pitcher with a hit!
Nice!
Alright Moose!
“Okay, Job(a), I do it myself.”
Nervous or what? He better not get hurt..
This brings back bad memories (Wang)
Please, Moose run slowly.
So our SS, 1b, and Pitchers have base hits.
Anyone know if Abreu and ARod are hurt? Don’t see them hitting tonight so I was curious.
“Considering the fact that he just signed what could be a $300+ million dollar contract, yeah I’d say that the expectations for him are high.”
That’s the point. What would be acceptable? .275, .300, .400 with RISP? Whatever number he was at, you’d still be disappointed. He was on fire last year and people still complained when he didn’t come through in a game.
Do you higher offensive expectations for Giambi than A_Rod because he makes 23 million and doesn’t contibute as much with the speed and defensive side of his game?
Mooooooooooose
1. Melky
2. Gardner!
3. Melky!!
4. Gardner!!!
to be continued
Some hitting wizardry! Was that Mike Mussina or Mike Hampton batting there?!?
I would think, with ARod, that the least you could expect with RISP would be to have about the same average as his overall average. Higher would be better, of course, but lower is just not good.
Speaking of not good – Yuck, Abreu!
When are we going to score????
“So our SS, 1b, and Pitchers have base hits.
Anyone know if Abreu and ARod are hurt? Don’t see them hitting tonight so I was curious.”
Huh?
Who gives a crap what the norm is overall?
The fact is that very player doesn’t conform to it? So, we give the ones who don’t a pass and not credit the ones who surpass it?
Whoever is doing yankees’ hitting today is TERRIBLE
The Moose has more hits than Abreu, A-Rod, Cano, Melky, Molina, and Christian combined. Embarrassing.
Well, the glass half full view of the that strikeout would be that Mussina didn’t have to run on the bases.
This is smelling like a loss. Why?
Ok, I know that Abreu got the game winning hit yesterday but he does not need to be hitting 2 or 3. He is just horrible right now.
So the plus for that inning was that the Yankees got 2 more hits, left 2 more RISP, but are still down 1-0.
Fantastic. This Pirates team is very good, Cubs should watch out, they could make a run at 1st play in the second half.
Yes, Abreu, Arod, are hurt.
Pretty embarrassing when you can’t drive in the pitcher lol
A-Rod will probably hit a solo homer and tie it up.
Feels like they are sleepwalking out there…
I won’t bother with a point by point discussion but this was particularly non-sensical:
“Having all-stars at every position means no chemistry and hence no heart and no clutch hitting or fielding.”
Incidentally – I agree with Melky over Gardner but your statement makes zero sense.
oh – and that would be the first hit for a Yankee pitcher this year – that’s something good to come out of that inning…
““Okay, Job(a), I do it myself.—
LOL!!!
I repeat, we will not score tonight.
“This is smelling like a loss. Why?”
I think that is just run-off from one of the 3 rivers.
and cleveland takes the lead
Expect the lead story on Baseball Tonight on NESPN to be, Boston is off tonight. In other baseball news ……..
This is smelling like another loss. Why?
1. Lefty on the mound
2. Our pitcher already gave-up a run (which is enough for a loss.
3. Girardi hasn’t been thrown out yet….
Giambi has a backloaded contract, he doesn’t make 23 a year. If he’ getting paid that in 2008, than he didn’t make 17 some of the other years. That is his average. Rodriguez’s is 27.5
What would I like? The same as he is overall. Something he’s come far short of 3 of his 5 seasos here(including this one).
He’s been here 4 1/2 years. That’s a long time. Over that time, what is his overall average and what is it with RISP?
“Who gives a crap what the norm is overall?
The fact is that very player doesn’t conform to it? So, we give the ones who don’t a pass and not credit the ones who surpass it?”
No, what I’m saying is, giving a hitter ‘credit’ for hitting better or worse with RISP is like giving a hitter ‘credit’ for hitting better or worse on Sundays.
It makes no sense. It isn’t statistically significant, and is merely due to sample variance.
In 2007, ARod hit .333/.460/.678 with RISP. In 2006 (a bad season, by his standards), he hit .302/.431/.508 with RISP. Did he ‘forget’ how to hit with RISP this season?
Yankees offensive ranks
AL- 7th
MLB – 13th
That is not going to cut it. They have allowed almost the same amount of runs as Boston, but guess what? Boston has scored 60 more. And Boston is 4 1/2 games ahead of us.
Rays losing 5-2
Nice pick by Jorge.
“Ok, I know that Abreu got the game winning hit yesterday but he does not need to be hitting 2 or 3. He is just horrible right now.”
If that paragraph isn’t a fine example of juxtaposition, I dont know what is, lol.
So they can’t hit and can’t turn a double play. good night so far.
Someone said this smells like a loss. I was thinking of a different 4 letter work which could describe how this team looks tonight.
This is just pathetic
Ack, who are these players in the infield, and what have they done with the real Yankees?
Sorry my mistake:
AL- 8th
MLB- 14th
EVEN WORSE.
And Posada’s horrible play at first base plus the steal and bad throw might cost us a crippling 2nd run here. Amazing isn’t it how DEFENSE wins you games? You can’t just throw anyone at first base! And it did cost us a run. Good job Yankees. You can never make the easy plays when it counts.
New York Yankees baseball.
What does that prove? All statistics vary.
When ARod’s OPS dropped 150 points in OPS in 2006 did he just “forget” to hit? So, did we just chalk it up to bad luck or did we critique him on it?
Using your logic, noone should be complaining about the teams’ woes with RISP because it’s just bad luck.
Why does being down by 2 feel like being down by 10?
Is this the first documented incident of Giambi’s absence in the field costing us a run?
Who is this “noone” person and why are they always making random appearances on this blog?
geez guys take it easy.. it’s two runs against the freaking Pirates… we can get that back in 10 seconds
Give the hitters some roids please
Um Posada’s fault? Has anyone noticed that Jeter’s throws have been nothing short of awful this season. He throws the ball in the dirt at least once a game…except of course when he airmails it. It’s like the guy has forgotten to practice. If he threw it to the chest a bit more often we’d be a MUCH better team.
frack
come on..
I’d rather see the Yankees with a high powered offensive machine.
“He’s been here 4 1/2 years. That’s a long time. Over that time, what is his overall average and what is it with RISP?”
I don’t have Excel on this comp, or I’d calc hit total BA/OBP/SLG stats over his Yankees tenure, but here’s the stats:
Overall
2004: 698 PAs, 601 ABs, .286/.375/.512
2005: 715 PAs, 605 ABs, .321/.421/.610
2006: 674 PAs, 572 ABs, .290/.392/.523
2007: 708 PAs, 583 ABs, .314/.422/.645
2008: 302 PAs, 262 ABs, .317/.401/.592
With RISP
2004: 191 PAs, 157 ABs, .247/.346/.439
2005: 229 PAs, 186 ABs, .290/.410/.484
2006: 239 PAs, 189 ABs, .302/.431/.508
2007: 235 PAs, 177 ABs, .333/.460/.678
2008: 101 PAs, 78 ABs, .244/.396/.449
Have you noticed that the Moose has gone away from the knuckle curve this year?
Early in the year, Jeter’s throws were really bad. I mean pretty consistently.
They’ve gotten much better, but still happens occasionally.
Jeter is trying to complete a double play with a runner sliding into him while he is leaving the ground. He put the ball a foot to the right of Jorge and Posada missed it. Every throw isn’t going to be a textbook bullet right into the glove. This is the major leagues, that ball needs to caught somehow.
Poor Mussina,
2 screwups on defense and he has to carry the loa
“What does that prove? All statistics vary.
When ARod’s OPS dropped 150 points in OPS in 2006 did he just “forget†to hit? So, did we just chalk it up to bad luck or did we critique him on it?
Using your logic, noone should be complaining about the teams’ woes with RISP because it’s just bad luck.”
No, some statistics vary logically, and some vary due to sample variance. You can b**** and moan that player X is hitting .100 on Thursday day games, but unless you can show that that’s due to anything BUT sample variance, you’re just whining.
ARod had very well documented mechanical issues in his swing in 2006.
Is that going to be it for Moose?
I read this blog all of the time….been a fan for forty-plus years. You can’t tell me that after 90+ games that “the bats WILL come alive”. After that many games, you know what you have.
With this team, you have a bunch of prima donnas with little, if any heart. Hit into more DPs than you did all of last year? Who cares. Continually fail to score when having a man on 3rd with one out or 2nd with no out? Again, who cares.
Swing at first pitch, after first pitch, after first pitch and ground out trying to pull the ball every time? Who cares.
I really think these “stars” need to be benched for two or three games. Bring up kids who at least care whether or not they fail. How could you score less than we have scored this year? That would be tough to do.
But, maybe… maybe….. these prima donnas would get the message that its results now, rather than their past records, that matter.
Stripper are on the plane A-rod relax!!! you will get your fix later
Watching the game courtesy of Pittburg station on MLB.tv. Seems like everytime the station shows Molinas sign and they call it, teh Pirates get a hit or steal. Coincidence? They keep zooming in on Molinas crotch. Ridiculous!
Now score some runs!
hopefully, Moose gets pinch-hit for this inning
Thanks for posting that. I know them, but they speak for themselves.
Moose at 86 pitches with the bottom of the order coming up )6,7,8) so I say bring him back out for one more.
“I read this blog all of the time….been a fan for forty-plus years. You can’t tell me that after 90+ games that “the bats WILL come aliveâ€. After that many games, you know what you have.
With this team, you have a bunch of prima donnas with little, if any heart. Hit into more DPs than you did all of last year? Who cares. Continually fail to score when having a man on 3rd with one out or 2nd with no out? Again, who cares.
Swing at first pitch, after first pitch, after first pitch and ground out trying to pull the ball every time? Who cares.
I really think these “stars†need to be benched for two or three games. Bring up kids who at least care whether or not they fail. How could you score less than we have scored this year? That would be tough to do.
But, maybe… maybe….. these prima donnas would get the message that its results now, rather than their past records, that matter.”
:snort: Yes, I’m sure Alex Rodriguez just flew out to right field because he plain doesn’t care. Wow, how simple this is! Give his spot to Gonzalez!
Pirates showing Molina’s signs and Pirates getting hits and a steal. Coincidence? They are zooming way in on Molina.Ridiculous.
Neil,
We don’t have a good first baseman right now. We do have a hall of fame shortstop. I cannot get on Posada when he’s not playing his position. Make good throws, Jeter, you are a career shortstop! It’s not just tonight…first game against the Red Sox last week completely blew a double play in the first inning and they scored two runs. And it seems to happen again and again and again. No excuses! Practice!
Larry
In the last 3 years, 2005-2007,2 of which were MVP years, A-Rod had a .309 BA and was .308 with RISP. That’s about as close as you can get. Why not wait until the end of this season to complain about this year.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....e=batting3
Not Pirates but Pittburg station showing the game on MLB.tv
On the the other hand, after that quick inning… ugh. Probably the Moose comes out anyway.
The Yankees can go 4-2 against BOS and TB, but when they face the fifth place team in the NL Central they play like this. Instead of going to TOR on a five game winning streak they are 9 outs away from losing 2 of 3 to the Pirates this season. Just when you thought things were turning around for the 2008 Yankees…
that was just a tough luck inning… A-rod and Cano both hit the ball hard
holy crap – I didn’t know the yanks were up against the 1999 version of Pedro Martinez!!
“Thanks for posting that. I know them, but they speak for themselves.”
Apparently you didn’t, or you wouldn’t have asked.
2004 was bad. Really bad.
2005, 2006, 2007 were reasonably close to his overall stats.
His BA is down this year, but OBP is fine.
I doubt they are statistically significantly different.
according to this chart
http://www.replacementlevel.co.....july_8_200
abreu is the worst right fielder in the league.
nice!
DadinIowa –
Was last year one of your forty + years?
This is the same bunch that got off the mat and made the playoffs.
These FREAKING overpayed JOKES!!!!!!! 209 MILLION and they can’t score a run against Maholm!!!! FIRE that FREAKING KEVIN LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Again, EVERY stat varies. What does this prove? Over full seasons you see dramtic changes in player stats. What sampling size suffices? 600 ABs suffices to criticize but 190 doesn’t?
And what was his excuse in 2004 when his OPS dropped 100+ points? Players’ full season stats vary for a multitude of reasons, but they’re generally not chalked up to bad luck.
Joe,
I understand that Posada isn’t a real first baseman, but he is a major leaguer. Jeter got the throw there in time and it was in the vicinity to be caught. Pete said it was a slider, if it was, shouldn’t a catcher be able to catch it?
Mediocre. This is why this team is not gonna make the playoffs, they take 2 games from the first place Rays then go out and get shutout by a mediocre pitcher from the horrible Pirates team. The Yankees are not good enough this year.
don’t pinch hit mussina, he’s got more hits than almost everyone else in the batting order today. he looks better up there than A-Rod and Melk Dud.
Arod did have two well hit balls tonight though.
7 pitch inning. What the hell, do they all have a date with strippers in Toronto that they need to get there soon?
Maybe they forgot they had a game today. Friggin joke.
I caN SEE Moose imploading this inning… Its so frustrating for him to watch this AWffense……
Dude, read your own stats. 2005 and 2007 are reasnably close????? Forget average, his OPS is about 150 points.
Cabrera CF
Molina C
Christian LF
Mussina RHP
This is why we are being shut out. On top of this the other guys havent hit a much.
150 points lower, that should say.
the yankees are quitters this year. this is one of many games where they’ve slept walked their way to a loss while showing no heart whatsoever.
Yes a catcher should be able to catch it Neil but that’s not the point! Jeter needs to cut this sh– out. He has never been this bad at throwing the ball. It gives me memories of Chuck BlockHead and his problems.
The Yankees basically have five outs to work with given the four clowns that are up next.
Posada simply SUCK on 1st base… why did we give up this game before it even started? No Giambi, no Gardner, no Betemit but Posada is obviously “great” on 1st base. Come on…
3 up 3 down for Mussina. Just like how the Yankees will go in the top half of the 7th. Quitters.
2-0 and the game is over? No way. I smell comeback here.
Anyone blaming Posada for not catching that DP throw should open their eyes. That throw was garbage. Ever since last year Jeter’s arm has been a joke.
Girardi needs to stop over managing vs lefties. Our righty hitters are just as ineffective against lefty pitchers as our lefty hitters are. Might as well try to put out the lineup with the best hitters in it rather than running out any right handed bat he can find.
oh great. melk dud to get things started by making an easy out.
Maholm is only at 82 pitches. If the strategy was to get him out early and get some of the bigger bats in, it hasn’t worked so far.
They have no offense because Damon and Matsui are out and the brilliant JG sits Giambi against this Sandy Koufax type lefty. Until they get back to full strength, the Big G should play every day. He is the Yankee MVP so far and to sit him is absurd. I was one who was glad JG got the job over Donnie. I was wrong.
Melky showing some clutch right there…oh wait
3-1 count, down 2 runs, hmm, what do we do Melky? Take a pitch? NAH, we hack away even though he hits only .200 vs LHP!
What a joke.
glad Melk dud was swinging 3-1 there.
“And what was his excuse in 2004 when his OPS dropped 100+ points?”
Why do you need an excuse. He had a bad year, it happens.
Besides the Rangers were subsidizing his salary that year so the Yanks were only paying 15 million. The money seems to be the thing so that should at least make you feel better about it.
And yes I realize how absurd it is to say only 15 million.
Nice AB Melky. Really knocked the sh@t out of that one.
Did you know that it was a 3-1 count????????? Dumb arse.
Glad to see everyone is remaining positive in a 2 run game.
these guys are giving away at bats.
Where are the Melky fans now?
Melky can’t even drive a ball on a 3-1 pitch, instead he grounds out for the third time. Down to .244 for the Melk Man.
Neil, I totally agree. I thought it was bad with Torre when I noticed last year none of the lefties were hitting vs. LHPs. But with this bench? It’s horrific.
this is where the lack of leadership kills this team. think this would be happening if we had intense guys who care about winning like O’Neill, Tino, or Brosius? Instead we have zombies like A-Rod- Abreu, and Melk Dud who sleep walk through half the season.
“Glad to see everyone is remaining positive in a 2 run game.”
Be honest.
It feels like a 10 run lead with the way this offense has been playing.
It’s not easy to watch
“Yankees will not make the playoffs this year”
Good to see all of you have regained your senses
it’s not about being positive – so far the yanks have shown no signs of being in this game to begin with.
HR from Betemeeet here
2-0 and the game is over? No way. I smell comeback here.
No that was the guys sitting behind you who just burped and you smell his 5th beer and 3 hotdog with extra onions.
Betemit?!?! COME ON! At least Mussina had a hit, he’d have been a better bet here. But since we have 3 catchers and 13 pitchers we have Betemit to pinch hit.
Bring Betemit to hit from the right side. Just great.
What a game it will be if these Yankees show up for Roy Halladay tomorrow.
If only Melky could have done something positive for once…..if only
Face it, Melky sucks and it’s time to give up on him.
His future should be one of hitting 8th for the Pirates or Twins.
Ok, Captain Clutch, this is your moment!
great here comes Captain Ground out
Captain DP, Ground out, or clutch?
Betemit got a hit?? really??
Its not just this game. Its 90+ games. Swinging at balls in the dirt on 3-1 pitches? Stupid. Refusing to take the ball the other way? Naw…. lets just continue this dumb, unproductive game of baseball.
Yep, fan in 2007 too. Yeah..I think we just sit on our hands and wait, wait, wait for this team to do something offensively. Just like 2007. These guys should feel embarrassed for their play this year. And be embarrassed for their start last year too. I thought these guys were professionals.
Activate clutch powers
yankee quitters
July 10th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
great here comes Captain Ground out
I’m calling Red Sox fan on this one boys
Worst thing that could happen…Bobby Abreu.
Well here is the ball game
will they bring in marte to face bob?
Do you see the Beer guy behind home plate cheering on Maholm instead of selling the beer?
c’mon jeter – homer and give mussina his 12th win
or get hit by a pitch…
Too bad, inning over here. No hope at all that Abreu will come through.
Hmmmm, I might prefer men on 2nd and 3rd with a 3-2 count.
now we get soft bobby in the clutch. grrrrrreat
C’mon Bobbbbby!
come on bob, make me believe in this team for once
Crap Abreu is up… inning is over
Damn he left. That was so funny, he was kneeling down behind the net cheering, guess someone called for him
The apologism for this guy, from some, never ceases to amaze. Yeah, he had a bad year, same as he had in 2006. That’s 2 out of 4.
I’m am tired of playing this same broken record. To clarify, Alex Rodriguez is a great player. Overall,having him on the team has helped the Yankees a great deal, situational shortcomings aside.
It was discussed earlier in the thread. Expectations. He’s reputed to be the best player in the game. By some, among the best ever. The expectations are very high.
I don’t think expecting his “off” seasons to be better than they were in 2004 or 2006 is incredibly unreasonable. I don’t think expecting his situational stats to approximate his overall stats is unreasonable. Not for the best player in baseball.
OH MY GOD! DID A YANKEE BATTER JUST TAKE THE FIRST PITCH?!?!
nothing worse then a beer man who takes a long time to get you beer
come on Abreu!! double them all in!!
I have to ask: all you guys with the negative comments, and you trying reverse psychology or something?
No hope for Bobby? Tie game baby
TIE GAME!!!!!!!!!!
Thank You Bobby
Wow. What was the odds on that?
Freakin Bobby 2 nights in a row!!! You gotta love this man!
hehe…maybe bobby read that chart and got pissed off!
BIG HIT!!!!!!!!!
Cue backtracking from all of the negative posters.
i don’t know if this team mails in games on a more consistent basis than in seasons past, but they’re sure more obvious about it this season. that speaks a lot to the players not giving a damn and girardi not being able to get through to them.
it’s too bad, too. it’s a pretty pathetic way to say goodbye to the stadium.
you’d expect better from most of these guys. it’s a shame.
On second thought, I really do prefer Bobby Abreu up here with the bases loaded. I’m predicting that he’ll lash a single to right field. I just fear that my prediction will be arrive too late due to a slow internet connection.
Now will all you whiners STFU?
THAT A BOY BOBBY
Yes!!! Abreu has a hit!
Mr. not clutch now.
Arod takes the first pitch for the first time all year.
Larry -
I am an ARod fan, and I agree with you. I don’t see anything objectionable in what you just wrote.
yup..this game is over…
Nice Bobby!!!
ok now stray-rod is up- his head hasn’t been inthe last few games with the extra-curricular stuff he’s got going on- I hope we get him back soon! We need him!
Great, I get my arse handed to me by my boss today. Have a headache.
and NOW I have to EAT MY WORDS. Thank you Bobby Abreu.
Seriously, thank you, don’t mind eating my words now.
great here comes the bullpen!!! noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
If Melky walked, we would be winning. Gardner would have walked
yeah the scored a damn run or 2…
arod looks lost..
Pen keep it up.. They look asleep….
mr. a-out.
Cue the Rays collapse
Called it
oh that SO wasn’t cool!! I’m watching on gameday and it said Pitch 3 Fastball, In play run(s) for A-Rod so I thought we took the lead. Big hit by Abreu at least to tie it up
Tie game…and the board is still full of negativity.
And folks wonder why the regulars from last year up and left.
gotta hold em here..
Is there a Kabbalah Center nearby…maybe Alex needs to meditate?
stop picking on us whiners. this team has mailed in a handful of games and slept walked through most of this game. I went to an A’s – Mariners game last night and saw 2 solid collisions at home plate, when was the last time anyone on the Yankees did that? Instead you get guys like Posada running softly to the catcher when Bobby Meachem hangs them out to dry instead of piling through the catcher.
Boy, that game was SO over when we were down 2-0. And that Bobby Abreu? He’s a bum. He sucks.
Geoff – you obviously haven’t seen out pen lately, they’ve been lights out
Veras is the new scott proctor?
A-rod had a chance to allow Mussina to win his 12th and he blew it. Thank goodness Bobby got Moose off the hook there. He has pitched brilliantly almost this entire season.
I find it actually unbelievable how few runs we are scoring this year. We still have a lot of work to do this game to get a win as we have probably met our quota as far as runs are concerned.
With the Rays loosing this would be a big game for the Yanks to win and pick up another game.
A.R.O.D. = Another Rally Over and Done.
Now, ‘yankee quitters’ go back to your previous posts and shut up.
Ok good. Veras has been fabulous lately! Let’s have a solid inning … and then … hmmmm, maybe ramirez? Or dare I say farnsworth ?? Kyle has been pitching very well lately, I am actually not nervous when he comes in. We can’t bring in Mo… he needs the rest.
yes, but i don’t know how long that will hold. I dunno i havent built trust yet with veras, edwar, or kyle
for reasons like these…you just can not walk the leadoff man in a tie game in the 7th inning…
yankee quitters
Is Abreu still a zombie?
Westerner – I agree… I posted earlier, the Yankees can score 2 runs in 10 seconds, there’s no reason to freak out when you’re losing to the Pirates early
Moose should have gotten the win in the original version of this game too, pre-rain out. He wuz robbed, twice!
He should seriously have 13 wins going into the break. It’s a shame.
Never never walk the 1st batter late in the game-Veras!
damn that midget
well thats game
that is why i said NOOOOOOOOOOO when i see the bullpen coming in. HA fu(k
Veras!
Veras will recover.
Awful job way to give the runs back
This team is horrible.
Glad we didn’t end up needing those baserunners A-Rod left on.
2 runs against Pittsburgh. Can’t expect to win that way. They have nobody to blame but themselves if they lose this one.
There is the game
frack!
ok i eat my hat. veras no good tonight. darn.
Homer. That was short lived joy.
safe to say that is game since its posada cano…then melky molina chrtian pitcher
Yankee Quitters, personally, I think Rodriguez takes the first pitch too much.
Too many fat strike ones. Look at his splits on 0-0 counts. Not just this year either.
still have 6 outs to score… well 3 since we have to get through the bottom part of our order
hey chip even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.
he looks like prostor, farnsworth, and tom gordon put together out there
Damn..
Strikes Veras..come on
stupid move. veras has been used ALOT lately. stupid, stupid, stupid.
hey veras – it’s easier to strike someone out when you actually throw a strike you blooody sod.
can we score at least 2 runs in the next 2 innings?
what more does Giese have to do to get in a game? Or Dave Robertson?
“safe to say that is game since its posada cano…then melky molina chrtian pitcher”
Ok – Geoff –
off to bed then – good luck in your remedial summer school class tomorrow!
this team is full of chokers. has been since they let go of nick johnson
Offense needs to step up tonight. The pitching has given up 1 run, 0 runs and 1 run 3 out of the last 4 games.
TKinDC, go to sleep, wake up tomorrow to see…yanks tie it, veras gives it up, and pitt bullpen nails down a 4-2 win
what more does Giese have to do to get in a game? Or Dave Robertson?
What the hell you b***n’ about he gave up a 2 run HR to a midget who’s killing everybody in the league. It happens his ERA isn’t going to be 0.00, as for Robertson we do have Toronto after this you know.
Geoff, at least you still root for hotmail.
We really need a bat.
damn u veras.
Right back where we started and probably where we’ll finish tonight.
Tomorrow’s another day.
then you go to sleep Geoff – I’m gonna stay up to watch the 2nd comeback by the Yankees
Way to work that count Jorge
Geoff why are you here ?
Nick Johnson??? WHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Hey Pete. All steaks come to an end. Way to be positive, jerk
2 pitches, 2 outs…
oh shut up brandon.
I wasn’t complaining about Veras being in. I have no problem with that and don’t see what people are complaining about there. But Giese and Robertson haven’t pitched in days and they’ve been great – just wondering why they are getting overlooked.
2 PITCHES 2 OUTS. standard.
bobby cano does love that first pitch
So, when does Arod start to get some heat for his miserable non-performance. Besides hitting a BP slow-pitch fastball from Wakefield for a HR, he’s done nothing. And his AB’s with men in scoring position are pathetic. And I’m not even talking about his off the field stuff: it doesn’t matter.
He is starting to look like ’06 at the plate.
ken
2 pitches 2 outs, come on melky pop this one up to set the ML record
PAUL FU(KING MALHOLM IS GOING TO PITCH A COMPLETE GAME VS US
ARE YOU FU(KING KIDDING ME
…and obviously back to making outs on one pitch.
2 pitches 2 outs-way to go
The is over a 100 pitches and our first two dumbass hitters swing at the first pitch.
Nice disciplined hitting. Guess those Toronto strippers called during the half inning saying, don’t go into extra innings cuz we are not waiting up.
6 pitch INNING ARE YOU FU(KING KIDDING ME
WHAT THE FU(K
Melky has got to be one of the worst hitters ever from the right side.
Molina – Christian – Pitcher due up. Devastating.
Melky Cabrera = Ricky Ledee
any reason why we have not seen kay this week? its been nice without his commentary
hooray for this offense!!
Kay is on vacation?
Melky is down to .202 from the right side.
Neil, the last 4 hitters in our lineup are like a black hole
ARod might have talent but I still wish the Yankees would have found or should find a replacement.
He is the ultimate stat padder, that is why his splits looks so good and why someone can make any argument they want with his stats.
But to see the real ARod, look no further than 2004 when he sissy slapped the ball from Arroyo running to first base.
Giese and Robertson haven’t pitched in days and they’ve been great – just wondering why they are getting overlooked.
They are going to be used mostly in the Toronto series, you Rasner is pitching in that series and a kid in Joba also will pitch, thier relief will be needed mostly there.
There D-Rob is in now stop bi****n’
thats it, I’ve finally faced it, we are a 500 team maybe a few games better…not with this offense are we ever going to win over 90
molina in lineup over giambi today – inexcusable.
Cashman needs to work the phones quick and get Marte before the 9th inning.
Last week Pete said the Yankees should go 8-5 before the break and anything extra is a bonus. Given the fact that the goof troop is due up in the 9th, the Yankees would be a 5-5 with a loss here and would need to sweep Toronto, including a win against Halladay, or they won’t even meet the 8-5 standard against TEX, BOS, TB, PIT, TOR. They sure gave away this one, to this point, tonight.
since when do announcers get vacation during the season?
Kay must be on vacation because he’s not doing his radio show either. Myself, I welcome it. Not a fan of his work on the games.
They are going to be used mostly in the Toronto series, you Rasner is pitching in that series and a kid in Joba also will pitch, thier relief will be needed mostly there.
There D-Rob is in now stop bi****n’
Oh gee, didn’t realize you had a direct line to Girardi. Shut up. you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Robertson is looking good.
can someone tell me why jose veras and kyle farnsworth are the set up men on a 200 million dollar team.
Is anyone else bothered by David Cone’s growling when he speaks? It is really wearing on me.
Nice job David!
Can they get 2 or more runs now?
here comes the black hole
christian
molina
betemit
200 million just doesnt buy what it used to
we su(k
Maybe, just maybe…Marte will blow the save and give up 10 runs to us…lowering his trade value…and we can get him in a trade for Kei Igawa!
john habyan , cause u lost your arm long ago…….farnsie has surprised all of us
Oh gee, didn’t realize you had a direct line to Girardi. Shut up. you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I’m trying to help you because you just sound like a whinny kid right now. (But hey if that’s what you want it’s your keyboard)
marte….at least we can see the guy that will hopefully be on our team in 2 weeks
This should be a good at bat to watch from Molina.
Assuming this score holds up, the Yankees offense will have scored 2 runs or fewer in 10 of their last 20 games.
last three batters: Molina, Christian, and whoever’s left on the bench (Gardner, Giambi, Moeller)
ew.
trading Marte for Enrique Wilson, one of Cashman’s best deals
no righty bat to replace molina, not good
Cleveland is leading Tampa Bay 11-2….wasted opportunity to lose to the Pirates.
Why not use pinch hitter?
2 outs left.
the black hole tonight (melky, molina christian): 1-11
when melky is your 6th hitter, you have probleemmmmmooos people
I’m trying to help you because you just sound like a whinny kid right now. (But hey if that’s what you want it’s your keyboard)
everyone of your comments have been caustic so I’m just returning the favor
Barry Bonds!
Sammy Sosa!
Barry Bonds!
Sammy Sosa!
Barry Bonds!
Sammy Sosa!
just take the 3-2, you arn’t going to get a hit, so why bother, just take the chance
Cone “Nice grrrrrrrrrr easy gas” Does he even know he does that?
GIAMBINO, comeon jason, our last chance
It’s up to the ‘Stache
COME ON ‘STACHE
PLEASE
Let’s see how they can come back in the 9th.
Molina gets hit by a pitch. Gardner comes into run.
Giambi in to pinch hit. Gardner steals second. Giambi doubles. Gardner scores to make it 4-3. Who comes in to pinch hit for the pitcher. Who singles to right. Giambi knocks over and out the catcher and scores the tying run.
Fight ensues and both teams come onto the field.
Nady and Marte both seriously injured, and both don’t know it yet but Cashman had made a trade for them in the 5th inning for Melky, Kennedy and Cox.
Molina and Giambi ejected. Play resumes .
Jeter swinging at 1st pitch narrowly misses a young girl in the stands, foul ball. Jeter pops out on the next pitch. Abreu takes 3 strikes all looking. A-Rod with a chance to win the game with a homer gets intentionally walked. Posada walks. cano hit by pitch. Bases loaded. Melky swings and misses at a ball in the dirt and strikes out on 3 pitches.
Game remains tied
Cassandra isnt sammy sosa dead? or at least in a wheel chair
Brian in CT, I notice the grrrrowl too. It comes from being raised in an Irish bar. I’m told.
ok we need to get marte on our team
pitt is showing him off, saying take me take me
“Rare back grrrrrrr trying to go up the ladder” -Cone
It’s now up to Jeter…
Giambi overmatched, nothing he could do. Maybe if he hit 3 other times in the game we’d be winning, eh Joe?
Come on Captain, make this interesting!
PNC sounds as if they are one out from winning the World Series
Thanks, Nick in SF, glad I am not the only one who noticed
FB down the middle. Bad Giambi.
im so sick and tired of watching away team announcers acting like it is some sort of miracle what their team is doing to the yankees this year. Isn’t it time someone sent them a memo…the yankees SU(K….sorry guys but we really do su(k
melky as an 8 hitter? i mean come on
Time to shave off the ‘stache – it’s gone stale…need to grow new one.
it’s in jeter’s hands.
might as well turn it off.
only question is will it be Captain K or Captain Ground out?
c’mon jeter – bring on the clutch.
6 hitter*
WOW this is a playoff team… NAH!!!!
another pathetic display by the offense
lose 2/3 in pitt. What a joke
This team is so frustrating. Loosing this game to Pittsburgh was inexcusable. I thought for sure they’d have a 5 game winning streak. They could have picked up another game on Tampa. (Well at least they don’t loose ground.)
Now they have to get their bats going against Halliday.
We gave away this game, but the whole scenario was BS in the first place. We were winning this game 3-0 when it was rained out, but they should have played it on the beautiful, sunny day anyway! We got screwed out of a win by the greedy, disgraceful Pirates franchise, but despite that, they were pathetic tonight, and should be ashamed of themselves.
Captain clutch strikes again.
WEAK HACK
Veras giving up 2 runs hurt them, but if the Yankees had driven in a few of the RISP, they could have won this game. This loss is on the offense, with an assist from the bullpen.
Wish they would get out of the habit of losing series to bad teams.
Fittingly, the game ends on a ridiculous swing by our leadoff hitter. ’08 Yankees = Mediocre.
Hooray – The Yanks make Malholm look like Cy Young
Well this sucked..
Nice win for the Yankees. Good to know they can win when it counts, especially when they are playing a superior team.
I see at least 85 wins from this team.
we lost 2 of 3 to pittsburg and 2 of 3 to cinnicanti. two bottom dwellers.
Sigh. They have the track record. They SHOULD be better. I sure wish the offense
would score runs more in line with what we expect. Without that, going to be too many nights like tonight.
That was a sick AB Giambi had. I was hoping Marte would leave it over the plate, well on to Toronto.
way to go yanks. Good job! just tip your hat again….Rays are getting killed and you play like AA Trenton. Well Off to Toronto so this 200 million dollar offense can score 2 Runs.
Man, we need a RH OF bat that can hit in the clutch.
It’s really pathetic. 4 in a row against Boston and TB, and they COMPLETELY give away a game against Pittsburgh. They sit Giambi and Gardner in the NL and then they hack away at every pitch.
The difference between making the playoffs and not is often games like tonight, where you could have taken care of business and threw it away. Last year we lost the division by 2 games. You think they wish they had those back and had home field advantage last year instead of those debacles in Cleveland?
Who’d ever would have predicted the year McClouth has had, I mean just sick, sick.
I wish I could see what Girardi sees when he goes with today’s lineup. Does he really expect them to score some runs?
Girardi is a pathetic manager on bad team. That is not a good combination.
Yup, a brutal display and a sad waste of another good Moose start. Now it’s over, no ground lost to the Rays, on to bigger and better things with Joba facing off against Halladay, should be fun!
Joba vs Halladay will hopefully be a more fair fight this time without the pitch limit on Joba essentially printed in the papers beforehand.
Until this team can put together a better offensive showing, and not just 1 out of every 5 games; there is no hope that we have that they will be any better than .500 or a few games over.
then again, with tonight’s lineup it is hard to expect much more.
they cannot hit. Jeter hit a HR about a yr ago. he has 4 on the year..
Arod is in trance… he looks terrible.. when you are playing without 3 lefty bats, afraud has to show up.
melky lunges at every pitch from the rightside. cano showed his usual lack of discipline tonight he saw about 8 pitches total all night.. our best offensive player tonight was Justin CHristian that is sad.
Veras, grooved that pitch.
BAD loss, showed no energy, the usual….They made Maholm look like Steve Carlton, now let’s here the post game blah blah blah, he had good stuff blah……
The announcers are morons the ywere showing confidence in giambi against the lefty blah blah blah, what ws Girardi’s choice? Moeller or Gardner, WOW tough choice……..
Veras wasn’t his best tonight. But the offense is not good. It’s just not.
well, at least they fixed their problem. They’re consistent now. Consistently bad. Scoring two runs yet *again*. Yeesh.
Can we trade our entire OF for the the Pirates OF?
The only Yankee with more hits than Moose was Jeter.
yankeenate.. as I’ve been saying all year when certain guys were on the Dl (like when arod and jopo were).. I’m waiting for Damon and/or Matsui and then we’ll see how much this offense really sucks
its been 2-3 weeks with no offense
Who forgot to pack the Geritol® ?
Mark Texeira anyone? anyone?
It’s amazing how this team has gone from a 968 run juggernaut to the 2003 Tigers overnight. Sad.
Please bench Melky and for the love of Phil Rizzuto, *NEVER* let him hit righty again.
When’s NFL training camp start?
Arod is in trance… he looks terrible.. when you are playing without 3 lefty bats, afraud has to show up.
His issue has always been that offspeed pitch, when a pitcher mixes it good they always have him chasing.
If Mussina had any run support at all this year he could make a run at 20 wins. But as is always the case, just like in 2001 and his years with the O’s, his team can never score for him.
The yankees looooose! THHHHHHHHEEEE Yankeees looooose! Can I have my money back please Hank! I paid for more offense!
In the good ole days, they would pack the water cooler with greenies. Now, they just stagger around, grouping for a hit.
Meh, the perpetual whiners are back posting, I see.
Thats predictable.
One to definitely forget. Wish we would have never gone back to Pittsburgh to make this up. All our worse tendencies showed up tonight.
Not going to bother reading the rest of the comments. I could probably predict what was written all night pretty closely. Whatever. Don’t like this team? Take up knitting or something.
Let’s just forget this ever happened and go play an actual American League team again.
some food for thought: does anyone find themselves unreasonably wanting Andy to retire so that we don’t find ourselves in the position between having to choose between picking between him and Moose in the off-season?
yanks stink. we needed this one. freaking pirates! come on. if damon and matsui are out, why would u sit giambi?
Fair weather fans ? Nah.
RayBlay…that’s the thing though. we keep waiting with every game thinking that any moment they will play up to the salaries they are being paid…but it just isn’t happening…yet?
i’m concerned about Arod. he is sensitive dude and this whole divorce thing is going to have him jacked up. but, his marriage is more important than baseball
Mark Texeira anyone? anyone?
Why he’s not doing any better this season. I mean they could sign Sexson since he kills LHP other than that Matt Holliday, Nady (forget about that too expensive)
justian christan played well today
31 games scoring two runs or less.
Look no further than the bottom of our order on that one.
Cano’s weak start, Melky’s weakness, period, and Molina playing every game.
2008 NY Yankees could be a NL club.
Don’t know that I necessarily agree, Brandon.
This year, yes. In years like 2004 and 2006, even in 2005, I think a really good fastball above the belt gave him the most ttrouble.
I don’t think it’s a trance or the off field issues. I just think he’s in a slump.
Arod’s batting .238 with RISP this year.
when you’re bench regularly consists of the likes of Wilson Betemit and Chad Moeller you know you’re screwed.
giardi is just thinking too much with the lefty righty matchup just put in the lineup
Angel they have to win 14 in a row to keep this fan base happy, I mean they took 4 straight vs Boston and Tampa, we loss to Pitt (It sucks but hey Nate McClouth is an allstar) on to Toronto.
think its time to go with a platoon of Gardner and Christian in CF. Melky has got to go.
Who forgot to bring the Magic-8-Kabbalah-Ball
Whiff 85 wins!! That means with 70 games left to play they need to finish 36-34. That sounds about right. To win 95 games they would have to finish 46-24, meaning they would need to win practically every series!
I have to agree. With the current team and injuries, it would take way too much to acquire the players we need to make a run. That means we become sellers and see what we can get for Mussina, before Philly trades for Bedard. We need to trade Abreu and Farnsworth, both whom might bring some decent prospects. Free up money, see what the young ones can do, and prepare for 2009!
This game had letdown written all over it. Simply put, this team just can’t stand or tolerate prosperity.
Back to the drawing board – - AGAIN. It’s getting old and tired.
Yankeenate.. but I’m trying to figure out if it’s the offense not playing up to their abilities because they’re all having down years or because the lineup is constantly missing one or two guys. I think (hope?) it’s the latter.
About the A-Rod divorce thing.. I would not be surprised at all if he’s negatively affected by it. But I would trade a lousy second half for a record-breaking rest of his 9-year-remaining contract.
That is OK…we sweep out Toronto in Toronto ( A-Rod will be REAL Happy he is in Canada, right ? ) and finish winning 7 of our last 8….52-43 is not bad for all they have been through…..Tomorrow is another day….NEVER SAY DIE !
Dudes on ML Package said Cleveland has run off 10 straight against Rays. That gives me comfort, but also makes me wonder if TB is due to win. The things one is forced to contemplate in the absence of an offense…
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
It really is amazing and pathetic how bad the lineup is. Any pitcher with decent stuff especially if it is a lefty completely shuts them down. But it not hard to understand why..for the most part Arod and Giambi are the only consistent ones who have been been hitting for most of the year. Now with Arods divorce issues he won’t hit at all.
Also how completely selfish can Posada get?! He doesn’t understand that if they want to win games they can’t play him behind the play with his noodle arm??!! He doesn’t know that he has thrown 1 guy out since coming back from the injury and it is like a track meet with everyone running against him!!!! I always thought that he was a team player. His comments sound like the opposite. Posada start throwing runners out and then you can catch. Otherwise shut up.
This year, yes. In years like 2004 and 2006, even in 2005, I think a really good fastball above the belt gave him the most ttrouble.
Yeh because in those years his bat speed was slowing down because of his high leg kick, now his swing is centered on fastballs so if a pitcher mixes the offspeed vs him he turns from a plus .300 hitter to a .240 type guy.
“That is OK…we sweep out Toronto in Toronto”
thats what u said last time
” That is OK… we sweep the redsox”
Bad luch, daver. Stats like RISP are meaningless. Just ignore the idea that they tend to lead to runs, it’s overrated.
Yes, the lineup was short, and has been. However, you still have Arod, Jeter, Posada, Abreu and Cano. Lot of pedigree there.
whatever it happens…. lets sweep Toronto going into the break
WE Lost 2 out of 3 to one of the worst team in baseball
I hope Cashman will trade for someone like an Xavier Nady. We really need another bat. Also, Damaso Marte is nasty, I’d love to have that guy, but I doubt the Pirates would trade him.
Agreed, Brandon. He’s quicker than he used to be, ESPECIALLY so inside in 2007. The tradeoff seems to be offspeed stuff. Doesn’t punish it like he used to. Although not nearly as pronounced last year.
i’m hopeful too that it is just missing pieces that come together at the right time. it’s a frustrating loss, but tomorrow i’ll be rooting them on again.
Larry I think it has more to do w/ less time in the RISP situation, usually you see short arm side throws w/ runners on base instead of batting vs a pitcher working out of the full windup. My guess is Alex right now the combo from not swinging good vs the offspeed pitch and he/the rest of the team just can’t pick up the ball from the side.
Same here, yankeenate. Not a lot else we can do. Hope it gets better.
jose molina throws a few guys out, suddenly he’s an everyday player?
they won the last 4 games because there pitching shut the other team down if it wasnt for some of the blow outs they had they will probably be close to last in runs
justian christan played well today
j = Justin? Giving yourself props, kid?
The difference between us and the red sox? The Red Sox would have bludgeoned this pitcher for like 9 runs tonight-even without Papi
very disappointing
Vernon Wells to the DL today.
“Vernon Wells to the DL today.”
I used to think he would have made a good Yankee CF before he signed that HUGE deal the other year. He has struggled since though.
Well that helps Pat, he kills us
Damon can hit, but can’t because he’s injured.
Jeter can hit, but not when it counts.
Abreu can hit,but can’t
A-Rod can definitely hit, but can’t due to distractions.
Posada can’t hit, and can’t catch.
Molina can’t hit, and is one tired catcher.
Cabrera can’t hit a lick, but can catch balls.
Matsui can hit, but can’t because he can’t play.
Giambi can hit, but sits when he should be hitting.
Gardner can’t hit, but sure can run.
Christian maybe can hit, but won’t get the chance.
Betemit can’t hit and sometimes can field.
Moeller can’t hit because coach won’t let him.
Did I forget anybody??
He’s also become more of a pull hitter. That includes last year. I’d say 80% of his homers were to the left side of center last year. He pulled far more balls into the leftfield grandstand than he had ever before.
Can’t argue with last year’s results, but I tthink he gets pull crazy. That low and away slider that he tries to pull. Think with ARod, though, is his extension. Sometimes he takes that pitch and hits it hard.
The hit of off Nathan in the 2004 playoffs is a good example. A 1-2 slider that he shouldn’t have been able to hit like that, but could with his extension.
yankee lover-
Red Sox play in a band box.
“The difference between us and the red sox? The Red Sox would have bludgeoned this pitcher for like 9 runs tonight-even without Papi”
No – actually the difference between us and the Sux is 4 games in the loss column. 4 games.
giambi had another great at bat against a tough lefty. But in a NL park you can`t have posada and giambi play unless posada catches. and right now you need to leave Molina in. Hes an automatic out, and probelm isd there are more than one of those in the lineup right now. The Yanks were down to six guys who had a chance to chance the game, and those guys didnt do it tonight
And it was a lot more than 4 games last year.
I keep waiting for the offense to do what it did last year which is break out.
The Sox haven’t had Ortiz for 2 months.
We cannot cry about lacking weapons in the lineup. We have to get it done.
We just have to.
TKInDC- You’re absolutely right. The difference between us and the Red Sox is 4 games in the loss column + 2 World series in past 3 years!
How many games we had last year when we scored less than 2 runs or less?
We have to be honest.
The offense may never break out.
No Damon.
No Matsui.
Jeter and Abreu playing average. Posada injured. Cano not making the adjustment.
We need a bat. Badly.
Yeah, Molina is very bad offensively. If it was just him, that would be one thing. In recent games, you’ve had him, Gardner and Cabrera. Then it’s 3 guys. Posada not catching really hurts them offensively.
Shouldn’t that be spelled Yankee Traitor?
IDK why but I get the feeling Kevin Long (He needs to be talked about a bit) IDK it might be nitpicking but there are alot of bad AB this year.
P.S. I like Jose Veras you can see Mo taught him that tomorrows another day mindset.
Wouldn’t surprise me if it was less in the entire 2007 season, Jessica.
“Did I forget anybody??”
You forgot that Mike Mussina is probably as much of an offensive threat as five people on that list.
We really need a good right hand bat
Yankee Trader -
You forgot to check any stats before posting your nonsense.
For example, Jeter is batting .317 with RISP; .378 w/ RISP & 2 outs.
is Long teaching differently or are the players just not executing it this season?
Same with last year. Did he teach Abreu, Cano and Matsui differently the second half of 2007?
Brandon –
I get the same feeling – patience at the plate has been a fundamental ingredient into our success and it has just not been there this year.
It is always on the players shoulders when push comes to shove – but someone needs to be in their ear.
It seems to me We can’t score when you face a lefty.
the offense is not gonna break out aginst holliday
Traitor is hardly the right word for a 209M team playing way below it’s capabilities, even with injuries. Don’t you want to see a version of the 96 or 98 Yankees who played as a team. By the way, I’m a die hard Yankee fan, and would like for Cashman to make the moves to make us a real contender, that can get us to the World Series. To do that will take the reality to unload the dead wood, stock the farm system, and add the right mix of FA’s.
Jessica
“How many games we had last year when we scored less than 2 runs or less?”
31
I know I’m repeating myself, said it several times the last week. The Yankees have 3 players in the top 20, in the AL, in pitches per plate appearance. They had 5 of the top I think 54. This was as of last Friday. It’s not as much about patience as some think.
They’re not hitting and that accentuates the first pitch outs. They’ve never taken every first pitch. Thing is, when they get first pitch hit, noone complains. When Arod homered off Wakefield’s first pitch, I didn’t see any complaining here about first pitch swinging.
Pete- We actually got 5 runs in this game. Just go back and watch the 3 innings they played in June.
The big key is A-Rod did not come through against the lefty tonight.
NL fans don’t want to hear that their league is inferior, but I’m sorry, it just is. I love Moose, but his stuff tonight was as bad as it’s been since April. Except for Paul Maholm, he might not have lasted 3 innings. He may have had better stuff in that nightmare start against Baltimore, actually.
TKinDC-
I also get the feeling the Yankees got to know that. I know people are going to tell me he helped Alex and Jason , but what about the other players and it’s up and down this lineup I mean we are bad ABs whether it’s principles or the nonadjustment method what you see right now is what your going to get and right now what I see from the Yankees and Kevin Long’s method is swinging for the fences, not working counts and not jumping on pitches enough w/ a hitter’s count. (That’s just my opinion because for the first time I think Long should be questioned, this offense is better than this and right now it’s too inconsistant)
Whatever the reason, something is wrong. That’s for sure.
When Arod homered off Wakefield’s first pitch, I didn’t see any complaining here about first pitch swinging.
vs Knuckleball pitcher’s you can’t follow the same hitting method, because not even they know where that ball goes.
ichiro any1?
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad damn The Reds hit 7 HR vs the Cubs tonight
The principle is the same, though. Arod has 6 homers off of the first pitch this year in 40ish ABs. Yet to see a complaint on any of them.
Larry
Your stats are very interesting, which means we should be getting into the opposing teams bullpens much ealier than we seem to be. Maholm had 112 pitches in 8 innings, 14/innings, gave up 7 hits and only one base on balls.
Jeter’s stats with runners in scoring position look good, but we can all see his overall play is down-injury?
What is the answer for this team to make a run?
melky and kennedy for ichiro?
Hitting coaches are rarely in one place for long (no pun intended) – I could easily see him being booted/blamed at the end of the season if things go south.
You’d have a hard time getting an Ichiro autographed bat for Kennedy and Melky.
I could easily see him being booted/blamed at the end of the season if things go south.
I’d think about booting him right now
Yankee Trader, if you take pitches and don’t hit, you’re still only going to get in so early because not as many runners are getting on. They are still third in the league in OBP, but it is 25 points less than last year.
If someone had it, I’d be interested in what the average starter goes against them this year as opposed to last.
And I think I remember reading that Long got a 3 year contract in the offseason. Not that this would keep them from firing him.
Just kind of ironic. Hasn’t the Rangers’ hitting coach been there awhile?
I would still like to hear from the armchair GMs what it will take for us to make a run, what realistic deals could be made and for whom?
Don’t want to hear about Bonds-his agent Jeff Borris has said no team wants him, nor has even offered minimum salary.
Do we really want Sexson, to pinch hit against a lefty once in a while, or play defense. Who get’s sent down-Betemit?
Then who subs for the other infielders?
Jeter isn’t much of a problem. He is one of our best hitters when it matters still with an above .300 average with RISP and about .375 with two outs and RISP. HIs defense isn’t hurting us that much this year. He is still one of the top SS’s in the AL. I know we need a long term solution but Jeter is the least of our problems. Our problems are with other hitters with RISP. The Twins have a horrible OBP and SLG but when runners are in scoring position, they have a league best .850something OPS. The Yankees have high OBP and SLG but have horrible RISP. We just don’t have the situational hitting. I kinda want to know how many sacrifice flies we have this year. We can never seem to get one this year.
I think I’m the least opposed to Bonds of anyone on this board, with the exception of the people who really want him. But I’m not objective.
“Cassandra: Red Sox play in a band box.”
And so does the visiting team. See, your comment makes sense if during the top half of innings at fenway giant cranes came in and moved the walls back 50 ft. Then during the bottom half the cranes move the walls back to their original positions.
But since that doesn’t happen, since each team plays in the same ‘band box’ at fenway, your comment makes no sense.
Funny stuff, though.
Boras making noise about $23M per year for Teixeira.
Wonder what color the sky is in Boras’ world?
Richie Sexson vs LHP .344/.423/.623
Defensive numbers at 1B: 9.18 RFg,.997 FPCT
How much is that cheap 1B in the window
Yes, the opposing teams play in Fenway too, but Theo has that team stocked with sideshow freaks and bandbox specialists.
Larry
Who are the 3 in top 20 at working the counts? Damon? Abreu? Giambi? Posada?
We’re 3rd in the league in OBP but 25 points below last year!
Does that mean pitching is so much better this year?
If you’re the GM, what excuse do you make to the Steinbrenners, why their 209M team isn’t winning the games it should?
“Richie Sexson vs LHP .344/.423/.623″
Not much significance to these numbers. They are the exception rather than the rule for his career. Overall, he’s hit lefthanders only marginally better than righties.
yeah for 23 mill Tex can stay in Baltimore… I don’t know how much I would want him even for like 15 million a year. He’s not as good as everyone thinks he is and with our injuries/older players, first base is a way to keep some bats in the line-up (Posada, probably Damon more often, maybe even Matsui, people like that). I’m not a fan of Matsui at first but apparently it was talked about at one point
haha, I meant Atlanta… I was going to say he can go to Baltimore
Not much significance to these numbers. They are the exception rather than the rule for his career. Overall, he’s hit lefthanders only marginally better than righties.
And can pick it at 1B, I also wonder would the Indians think of selling low on Casey Blake
“We’re 3rd in the league in OBP but 25 points below last year!
Does that mean pitching is so much better this year?”
Offense is down from last year. Could be a few reasons for that. Pitching is probably one of them.
Brandon
OK sign Sexson since Miranda and Broussard our Scranton 1stBmen are lefties.
Who do we bring up or trade for to replace Betemit as a multi-positional sub?
McCutcheon beat Tyler Clippard tonight 7-3!
Who do we bring up or trade for to replace Betemit as a multi-positional sub?
Man Bet is a weird case, he hits the ball hard for outs more than in play hits and strikes out a bit too much, IDK there is Ransom but damn I mean he may not be any better I guess that multi-position player right now isn’t on this roster.
matk -
Sox fans are so thin skinned.
Yanks fans are so thick skulled.
Yankees Pitches/Plate App.highest to lowest
Abreu
Giambi
Damon
Posada
A-Rod
Matsui
Betemit
Jeter
Melky
Molina
Cano
All you guys want the Yankees to bring in more talent, make trades to bring in a bat, a reliever.
You’re all delusional. If I’m Cashman I’m selling and selling big time. This team will not make the playoffs this year. This isn’t 1998. And it isn’t last year either.
This team cannot hit. There are 3-4 teams ahead in the wildcard and 2 in the division. They are not one player away, they are about a half a team away from contending.
The string of playoff appearances will end, and this just shows what an accomplishment it was to make it all those years.
The injuries absolutely killed the team this year. In the past, they were able to recover. Not this year, too much has gone wrong.
3/5ths of the starting rotation = injured.
5 top notch position players missing sgnificant time.
No one having career years.
I have watched every single game this year. I love this team but they are not any good. They are average. Its pathetic but true.
The future is bright, but 2008 is over.
The Yankees will never say that but I think they know it. Cashman has done nothing to improve this team, and I can’t say I want him to, not if it hurts the farm system.
Forget Sexson, forget Marte, forget every big name you can think of. Its not gonna happen.
I hope they trade some guys. Maybe Abreu. Maybe Farnsworth. If Damon and Matsui didn’t get hurt I’d trade one of them. Both were having great years.
Sometimes you have to know when to throw in the towel. I’ve watched a lot of baseball in my time, and this team is nothing special. It has a lot of holes, weaknesses.
This team can’t make one trade or waiver acquisition that will fix their problems. Sometimes it just isn’t your year. That time is now.
The Mediocrity that is the 2008 Yankees.
Go ahead arod – join the Home Run Derby, you’re swing already sucks.
By comparison, the Red Sox don’t have one player in the top 20. Don’t know how teams rank, though. Don’t know that the Yankees are no 1, but they must be pretty high.
Offense is definitely down around baseball.
Last I checked, no team was on pace fo 875 runs.
Make no mistake, it’s not JUST RISP. The team slugging is off way more than the OBP.
They are clearly down in OPS, but not enough to be as low as they are in runs. That’s the situational hitting.
Rodriguez should have at least 15 more RBIs this year. And that’s just situationally hitting on par with his overall hitting.
It’s not everyone either. Cano, Matsui, Jeter, Abreu, Posada and Damon are all about the same or better average wise with RISP.
Rodriguez and Giambi have huge dropoffs. Cabrera, Molina and Betemit are clearly lower as well.
The 2 worst with a runner on third and less than 2 outs are Arod and Abreu. It seems to me that they are very poor as a team, but I don’t know where they rank as a team. Maybe it’s just my perception and they are not as bad as it seems to me.
Jeter is a concern, IMO. Not a concern in that I think he’s done, but his overall stats are way down. Hey, I’m all for looking at situational hitting, but his overall OBP and OPS were way down. Metrics say his defense has been better, though.
My first choice would still be another starter. Maybe I’m too stubborn, but I keep thinking of the track records. They should be much better offensively. Mind you, I’m speaking if Matsui comes back and Posada can catch more often. Take those 2 away and I’ more inclined to looking for a hitter as well.
This is what The yankees should do at the deadline 1st trade melkey 4 a good reliver then put a deal 2gether for holliday nd in the off season trade matsui for good pitching teams will give at least 3 good rookies for him then if bring BEN Sheets yea him sabathia is alot of money becuase u sign Sheets then u make money left over 4 another big time deal like texiera
Jose Molina cannot play every day. He is an automatic out. There’s a reason he’s a backup catcher.
From what Jorge says, he is able to catch. If he is able, he needs to be in there. I don’t care how many runners Molina throws out. It does not make up for a .574 OPS.