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Quick trip to Pittsburgh ends with a loss

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 10, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi said his players “were extemely focused” tonight. But the Yankees seemed to be in a hurry to get out of the Iron City. Only three times did anybody go to a three-ball count against Paul Maholm.

“That’s baseball,” Girardi said.

That’s also the 31st time in 92 games this season the Yankees have scored two runs or fewer. They’re also at .256 with RISP after going 1 for 6. Alex Rodriguez is 19 of 80 (.238) with RISP after leaving four more runners on tonight.

“The one thing I like: I’m swinging at strikes. I’m putting my swing on it,” A-Rod said.

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Several of you sharp-eyed readers e-mailed to ask why Mike Mussina had his uniform pants up tonight. The credit goes to 4-year-old Peyton Mussina, who told his father he would hit better that way.

Sure enough, the Moose was 1 for 2 and became the only Yankee pitcher to get a hit this season. The hurlers were 1 for 18 with no RBI and three sacrifices. So much for all that batting practice.

The Moose is 9 for 52 in his career. Too bad he can’t play center.

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207 Responses to “Quick trip to Pittsburgh ends with a loss”

  1. Bob(The Original) July 10th, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Extremely focused on what?

    Getting to Toronto in time to hit the strip clubs tonight?

  2. S.A.- Just win games and can the offense stop being so offensive? July 10th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    The credit goes to 4-year-old Peyton Mussina, who told his father he would hit better that way.

    Aw. Little Peyton is a genius.
    Make him the new hitting coach. :P

  3. The Ghost of Alfred Manuel Martin July 10th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    No grinding. Crappy defense. This was an important game and they played like absolute s**t.

  4. Nick in SF July 10th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Eli Mussina doesn’t get as much attention as Peyton, but I think he’s going places too.

  5. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 10th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    “The one thing I like: I’m swinging at strikes. I’m putting my swing on it,” A-Rod said.

    ADJUST TO THE OFF-SPEED PITCH !

  6. j July 10th, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    the absecene of matsui and damon really hurt, because they usually give you professional at-bats, something they clearly lacked today.

  7. Bob(The Original) July 10th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    “The one thing I like: I’m swinging at strikes. I’m putting my swing on it,” A-Rod said.

    ADJUST TO THE OFF-SPEED PITCH !

    He really needs to get into the groove if there’s any hope of this being a season to cherish.

    Seriously though, anyone else starting to get a little nervous about the off field stuff distracting him? We all know how he handles pressure.

  8. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 July 10th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Hey guys. I’ve got two extra tickets to fanfest tomorrow.

    If you’re interested, email me @ rebecca@puristbleedspinstripes.com Dibs to the first emailer.

  9. Skippy July 10th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    How do you know he can’t play center?

    Nick in SF, considering all Mussina gave up to get Eli, he better start showing some signs of breaking out soon.

  10. Nick in SF July 10th, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    Skippy, I think the addition of Plaxico Mussina to the family will pay big dividends in the near future.

  11. miggs July 10th, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    All you guys want the Yankees to bring in more talent, make trades to bring in a bat, a reliever.

    You’re all delusional. If I’m Cashman I’m selling and selling big time. This team will not make the playoffs this year. This isn’t 1998. And it isn’t last year either.

    This team cannot hit. There are 3-4 teams ahead in the wildcard and 2 in the division. They are not one player away, they are about a half a team away from contending.

    The string of playoff appearances will end, and this just shows what an accomplishment it was to make it all those years.

    The injuries absolutely killed the team this year. In the past, they were able to recover. Not this year, too much has gone wrong.

    3/5ths of the starting rotation = injured.
    5 top notch position players missing sgnificant time.
    No one having career years.

    I have watched every single game this year. I love this team but they are not any good. They are average. Its pathetic but true.

  12. miggs July 10th, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    The future is bright, but 2008 is over.

    The Yankees will never say that but I think they know it. Cashman has done nothing to improve this team, and I can’t say I want him to, not if it hurts the farm system.

    Forget Sexson, forget Marte, forget every big name you can think of. Its not gonna happen.

    I hope they trade some guys. Maybe Abreu. Maybe Farnsworth. If Damon and Matsui didn’t get hurt I’d trade one of them. Both were having great years.

    Sometimes you have to know when to throw in the towel. I’ve watched a lot of baseball in my time, and this team is nothing special. It has a lot of holes, weaknesses.

    This team can’t make one trade or waiver acquisition that will fix their problems. Sometimes it just isn’t your year. That time is now.

  13. yankee quitters July 11th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    maybe the rest of our hitters should wear their socks up.

  14. sunny615 July 11th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    As crappy as this team has played all year… and as grumpy as I get when they lose, I’m still going to believe. It ain’t over yet.

  15. Skippy July 11th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Yeah, Nick, but word is that Plaxico Mussina is already agitating about his contract. Seems he’s demanding his own room.

  16. Steve July 11th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    A-rod has been absented-minded since the divorce affairs.
    Pathetic.

  17. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    Can we get Mark Teixeira yet? Honestly, get it done Cashman.

  18. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Can we get Mark Teixeira yet? Honestly, get it done Cashman.

    Why ?

  19. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Look, I try to be as positive as I can. I think generally I am. But at a certain point, common sense has to take over.

    Before tonight the team had won 4 straight and I still didn’t think they had a shot this year. This isn’t some knee-jerk reaction on my part.

    The reality of watching this team all year has led me to this conclusion.

    Let’s look at facts. The Red Sox are a better team. So are the Rays. And the Angels. And the White Sox. The Twins and A’s are as good if not better, and their payrolls are a fraction of ours.

    I just don’t see this team finishing better than many of the teams I just mentioned. Maybe the A’s fall off. Maybe the Twins come back to earth. But the Yankees will need a pretty impressive streak combined with some slides by 3-4 teams ahead of them.

    In terms of the long-term improvement of the team, I would trade away one or two of the guys I mentioned in my earlier post. That doesn’t mean I’m a fair weather fan. It doesn’t mean I’m negative or overly reacting to a loss.

    I’m looking at things logically and that is what would be best for the team over the long haul.

  20. RalphieD July 11th, 2008 at 12:16 am

    no reason to throw in the towel at all…this team still can be a winning team…they have the pieces they just need to execute

  21. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    Texiera?

    What a joke.

    Getting Texiera only puts them in a bigger hole than they are in now.

    Wake up.

  22. CaptainsCorner July 11th, 2008 at 12:19 am

    Sorry to dissapoint Arod but all of the sliders that he swung at were no where near the strike zone. Unless the dirt is considered the strike zone. We can expect Arod to be awful for another month or so. Everyone knows he can’t hit when he has something on his mind.

  23. CM July 11th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    This just in from the AP. Terry Francona won’t start Mo in the ASG. He won’t even commit to which closer he’ll bring in in the ninth should the AL have the lead; MR or JP.

    “Everything and everybody and every situation will be treated with the utmost respect to where we are playing,” Francona said. “We are aware of where we’re playing, who some of the guys are that are representing what teams, and we will treat that very respectfully.”

    He better stand by that. Mo pitches either at the beginning or the end of the game.

    That’s it.

    No exceptions.

    The greatest closer of all time in the last All Star Game in the most historic American sports venue of all time (his own park); you do the right thing or be called a cu-

    Hold on. I have a phone call.

    Ok. Sorry.

    Anyway, Francona better do the right thing.

  24. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 12:23 am

    Jesus Christ how good is Texas’s Rudy Jaramillo

    John Lackey and Scott Shields combined for surrendering 19 hits and 10 runs most of them LD

  25. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 12:27 am

    What is LD Brandon?

    line drives?

  26. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    What is LD Brandon?

    line drives?

    Yeh.

  27. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 12:29 am

    How does Teixeira put them in a bigger hole? We have fricking Jorge Posada playing 1B. Honestly, if you guys are happy scoring 2 runs a game, more power to you.

  28. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 12:32 am

    With all the injuries right now I don’t see why Juan Miranda isn’t given a shot. He can DH and play 1st. He’s tearing up AAA, he deserves a shot. Here’s his line from tonight:

    Juan Miranda: 2 for 4, 3 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB -

  29. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    How does Teixeira put them in a bigger hole? We have fricking Jorge Posada playing 1B. Honestly, if you guys are happy scoring 2 runs a game, more power to you.

    Do you what you have to give up just for his rental. (that’s why it makes no sense, Georgy right now is a DH/1B that’s just how it is) Texiera is going to be what a DH ? a 1B what do you do w/ Giambi who is hitting better than Tex, this is the type of move you don’t need right now.

  30. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 12:35 am

    miggs I got a feeling 2 things will either happen w/ Miranda, he is either getting dealt or will be the future 1B/DH

  31. FYI July 11th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    In case you weren’t counting, rain delays / postponements have costed the Yankees at least 7 games this season. Count them. 7.

  32. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    “Do you what you have to give up just for his rental. (that’s why it makes no sense, Georgy right now is a DH/1B that’s just how it is) Texiera is going to be what a DH ? a 1B what do you do w/ Giambi who is hitting better than Tex, this is the type of move you don’t need right now.”

    Why would it just be a rental? Teixeira has already said in an interview that he wants to play on the East Coast and listed the Yankees and Orioles as his top 2 teams. His idol is Don Mattingly. The Yankees could negotiate a longterm contract with Teixeira easily.

    Move Giambi to DH. If he doesn’t like it, so what? Teixeira is a gold glover at 1B and is a switch-hitter.

  33. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 12:38 am

    Noonan do you watch the games?

    Have you watched this team get progressively worse over the last 5-6 years by bringing in big name huge contract guys?

    Its why they can’t pull off any trades. Its why they can’t add a bat or a reliever.

    Everyone thinks the Yankees have an infinite amount of money. While they have more than anyone else, revenue sharing and luxury tax have hurt the teams’ bottom line.

    I certainly don’t see how adding a 7 year contract for 140 million for a guy having an ok year makes this team better.

    In fact I know it doesn’t. It makes the team more unflexible. Its another guy they can’t trade. Stuck in a huge long contract.

    And you’ll be the first guy to complain that they didn’t add a reliever or a bench bat. Its contracts like the one Texiera will get that make these moves hard if not impossible to make.

    I don’t understand why so many of you guys can’t see that.

  34. stuart July 11th, 2008 at 12:39 am

    Peter with his PETTY dig… Yeah Melky is the problem. Arod 230 with RISP that is not a problem. Or JOrge doing Jack.. Or Jeter having less power then Melky those are non issues, the problem is there 3rd yr. CF making $460k a yr..

    Arod sucks when it counts, abreu and his 450 with 2 outs and RISP is a mirage, and Cano with his under 300 OBP is not a porblem.

    Peter why the continuous petty jabs at the fringe players?????

    Get a life……

  35. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 12:42 am

    “Move Giambi to DH. If he doesn’t like it, so what? Teixeira is a gold glover at 1B and is a switch-hitter.”

    Noonan Melky is a switch-hitter too and he plays good defense. Should we give him 140 million over 7 years?

  36. Extron July 11th, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Bob-

    That’s right. I forgot. Toronto has the best strip clubs in Baseball. No Joke.

  37. Don Vito A. Bellamo July 11th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    SWEEP TORONTO !!! we are gonna Moidalize ‘dem ! :-)

  38. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 12:46 am

    Why would it just be a rental? Teixeira has already said in an interview that he wants to play on the East Coast and listed the Yankees and Orioles as his top 2 teams. His idol is Don Mattingly. The Yankees could negotiate a longterm contract with Teixeira easily.

    That East Coast most likely is Baltimore, he’s been wanting to go there for sometime. His idol being Donnie Baseball means really nothing, and he is a Boras client he will absolutely seek FA. Meanwhile you think this guy is going to come for cheap from Atlanta guess again..Texas ripped fleeced them in that deal, the 2 SP that may or may not make it one is on the team and nearly blanked Anaheim, meanwhile the other is most likely the top 5 prospect in all of minor league ball on his stuff alone. You want Tex here’s Wren how about Hughes, Tabata and that Jackson kid. (Yankees response HELL NO)

    Move Giambi to DH. If he doesn’t like it, so what? Teixeira is a gold glover at 1B and is a switch-hitter.

    If he doesn’t like it so what ? Teixeira isn’t hitting better than him what do you mean so now everything is red carpet for a guy that might effect the whole lineup, so when Giambi goes into his slump and the pressure gets to Tex for slumping what then ? Ah but he’s a switch hitter I get it :roll:

  39. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    “Noonan do you watch the games?
    Have you watched this team get progressively worse over the last 5-6 years by bringing in big name huge contract guys?
    Its why they can’t pull off any trades. Its why they can’t add a bat or a reliever.”

    Yes, I have. However, the problem has been that the Yankees have been awarding huge contract to players that are leaving their prime, not entering the prime. Giambi. Damon. Matsui. Honestly, I’m tired of having no 1B. We haven’t had the complete player since Tino left (and not his comeback, that was awful). Teixeira is going to be 29 years old, he’s a gold glover, and a big bat. If we have to overpay, fine…we’ve already wasted enough money on busts like Pussano and Igawa.

  40. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    “If he doesn’t like it so what ? Teixeira isn’t hitting better than him what do you mean so now everything is red carpet for a guy that might effect the whole lineup, so when Giambi goes into his slump and the pressure gets to Tex for slumping what then ? Ah but he’s a switch hitter I get it.”

    Giambi has as much range at 1B as a 75 year old grandma in an electric scooter. Honestly, I like the guy, but he’s a DH.

  41. Lets try. July 11th, 2008 at 12:53 am

    “Peter with his PETTY dig… Yeah Melky is the problem. Arod 230 with RISP that is not a problem. Or JOrge doing Jack.. Or Jeter having less power then Melky those are non issues, the problem is there 3rd yr. CF making $460k a yr..
    Arod sucks when it counts, abreu and his 450 with 2 outs and RISP is a mirage, and Cano with his under 300 OBP is not a porblem.
    Peter why the continuous petty jabs at the fringe players?????
    Get a life……”

    Quote of the year. I love it when they expose Pete as the bully that he is.

  42. Lets try. July 11th, 2008 at 12:54 am

    Lets hope A-Rod puts his head together after he meets with his children this weekend.

  43. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 12:55 am

    Giambi has as much range at 1B as a 75 year old grandma in an electric scooter. Honestly, I like the guy, but he’s a DH..

    You ever thought that’s a big reason why Giambi is hitting more games at 1B

    Teixeira is going to be 29 years old, he’s a gold glover, and a big bat

    A bat that has sucked all season

    vs LHP .243/.374/.409
    vs RHP .288/.380/.530

    seriously that is not worth longterm break the bank contract to me.

  44. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 12:58 am

    “Noonan Melky is a switch-hitter too and he plays good defense. Should we give him 140 million over 7 years?”

    When did I say we should give a guy a big contract just because he’s a switch hitter? Honestly, get out if you’re going to just fabricate in order to come up with a legit point.

    Has Melky ever hit 30+ HR’s? Has he driven in 110+ runs in each of the past 4 seasons? .533 slugging? .371 OBP? No, I’m pretty sure he hasn’t. Has Melky won multiple gold gloves? Any all-star games?

    Get out if that’s all you got.

  45. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 12:58 am

    Teixeira is going to be 29 years old, he’s a gold glover, and a big bat

    “A bat that has sucked all season
    vs LHP .243/.374/.409
    vs RHP .288/.380/.530
    seriously that is not worth longterm break the bank contract to me.”

    Some common sense on this blog is nice to see. It would be a HUGE mistake IMO to sign this guy. Its got the label “bad contract” written all over it. And it sets the franchise back for years to come.

  46. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    “You ever thought that’s a big reason why Giambi is hitting more games at 1B
    Teixeira is going to be 29 years old, he’s a gold glover, and a big bat
    A bat that has sucked all season
    vs LHP .243/.374/.409
    vs RHP .288/.380/.530
    seriously that is not worth longterm break the bank contract to me.”

    He’s still have a pretty good season, not the average Teixeira season, but a pretty darn good one for a 1B. Don’t forget he’s a gold glover too.

    Who cares if Giambi hits better at 1B? Is he really a part of the longterm plan? He’s 37 years old, and his resurgence might be the fact that he’s in a contract year. If we want to keep the Big G, fine…but don’t tell me we don’t need a 1B because we have a 1B with a steroid filled past, who can’t field, and is having his best season in the past 4 because it happens to be the last year of his contract essentially, and is 37 years old. Honestly, that’s stupid baseball. This team needs to get younger

  47. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 1:03 am

    “When did I say we should give a guy a big contract just because he’s a switch hitter?”

    That was your reasoning for moving Giambi to DH, that and the fact that Texiera plays good defense.

    Just pointing out the huge holes in your argument, that’s all. Not only is Giambi hitting better than Texiera this year, he’s actually playing ok defense.

    Your logic is so completely flawed it ridiculous. You don’t want to sign Texiera as a FA. You actually want to trade prospects for this guy before he hits free agency, then sign him to a huge deal. Thank God you’re not the GM.

  48. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 1:09 am

    You can seriously start to say this guy is on the down swing path of his career, eversince the steroids rumor the real Mark Teixiera has been M.I.A.

    Check his contact rate and LD %

    LD %

    March 25%
    April 21%
    May 20%
    June 16%
    July 12%

    K(strikeout) %

    March 20.0%
    April 10.7%
    May 13.7%
    June 20.5%
    July 17.1%

  49. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:11 am

    “tter?”
    That was your reasoning for moving Giambi to DH, that and the fact that Texiera plays good defense.
    Just pointing out the huge holes in your argument, that’s all. Not only is Giambi hitting better than Texiera this year, he’s actually playing ok defense.
    Your logic is so completely flawed it ridiculous. You don’t want to sign Texiera as a FA. You actually want to trade prospects for this guy before he hits free agency, then sign him to a huge deal. Thank God you’re not the GM.”

    No, it’s not that I’d play Teixeira at 1B because he’s a switch-hitter. When did I say that? Please find that for me because I’d really love to see it. I said I’d play him at 1B because he’s a gold glover! Giambi has Edgar Renteria range at 1B. Giambi might be hitting better than Teixeira, but he’s also a 37 year old former juicer and probably one of the league’s worst fielding 1B.

    What difference does it make? If we sign Texieria in free agency, we’re going to lose draft picks anyways. Our farm system is overrated IMHO anyways. Don’t get me wrong, we have some talent, but the media and fans overhyped guys like Kennedy and even Hughes to an extent (who was not ready). I’m not wanting us to go back to the days of “dealing the farm” but at the same time, I don’t have a problem with moving guys if it gives us a longterm answer at 1B. Honestly, what 1B is on the horizon? Miranda hasn’t been that good, and Montero is years away if he eventually ends up playing 1B.

  50. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:12 am

    The reading comprehension here is abysmal. It’s more pathetic than the Yankees 2 run offense.

  51. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 1:14 am

    Texiera is the next Andruw Jones.

    Both are Boras clients.
    Both are around 30 years old.
    Both are showing (in my opinion) significant declines in production.
    Both are known to play great defense.

    Jones got 18 million/year from LA.

    I pray the Yankees aren’t the team throwing 20illion/year at Texiera this winter.

    I don’t think they will, but you never know.

  52. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:14 am

    Also, what the heck does a switch hitter have to do with fielding? I can’t even for the life of me understand how you got that from anything because I know for a fact I never directly said that, let alone implied it. I’d rather have Teixeira play 1B because he’s a gold glover not a grandma in a scooter aka Giambi.

  53. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:16 am

    The Red Sox are going after Teixeira. You can say all you want, how he’s like Andruw Jones (even though that’s a really ridiculous argument given that Teixeira is still having a really good season). The BoSox have outsmarted the Yankees these past few seasons. We’d be wise to take note in who they’re interested in. JMHO.

  54. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 1:17 am

    I’d rather have Teixeira play 1B because he’s a gold glover not a grandma in a scooter aka Giambi.

    If that’s your problem then just sign Richie Sexson atleast he hits LHP and picks it too. (So your beef w/ Giambi is solved)

  55. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 1:20 am

    I could argue this point all day long.

    Texiera clogs up the roster in so many ways.

    Posada may need to switch positions. So may Jeter. Both are signed for 3 more years. Odds are one of them may need to play some first base.

    You also have Miranda in AAA tearing it up. And Montero may have to be moved to first base although they are going to try to keep him as a catcher.

    Bottom line, first base is the LAST position you need locked up for the next 6-7 years. Its stupid baseball. Its moves like this that have made this team what it is: a bunch of overpaid, unmotivated big-name guys with no heart. May as well add one more to the list, right Noonan?

  56. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:21 am

    It still doesn’t hide the fact that this franchise has no long-term answer at the 1B. Yeah, I guess a platoon of two juicers in Sexson and Giambi is fine for one season. But what about after that? Or after that? I’m not sold on Miranda at all. Who knows how old he really is either?

    Honestly, if the Yankees have to overpay for Texiera, so what? I actually know that, that money is going to a really good player both offensively and defensively who is entering his prime. We’ve spent worse money on guys like Pussano, Igawa, and even Clemens.

    Teixeira can even play LF or RF I think. He played there earlier in his career. I mean if you guys like the Big G that much, we could play Teixeira in left field the rest of the season.
    He’s good enough defensively to do it. He played 3B in college.

  57. myrtlebeachfan July 11th, 2008 at 1:23 am

    I would try to get Todd Helton.

    But that’s just me.

  58. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 1:23 am

    “Also, what the heck does a switch hitter have to do with fielding”

    I was just responding to what you said. You may want to re-read your own posts, you are refuting your own arguments.

  59. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 1:23 am

    The BoSox have outsmarted the Yankees these past few seasons. We’d be wise to take note in who they’re interested in. JMHO.

    It’s like I’m listening to a wannabe Peter Gammons here … The Red Sox have been building thier core through and get this not FA but the actual MLB draft. Thier 2B, thier 1B/3B, thier CF/LF, thier SP prospects, thier CL, thier C…the only signinficant moves in past season was the Schilling deal and the Manny deal, take those 2 away completely different scenerio and Schilling was blocked by the MLB FO from landing in NY, Manny was a RF/LF who gave Boston headaches until 2004. It took 4 years for them to cash in on his services, NY would have killed his career :lol:

  60. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 1:26 am

    Teixeira can even play LF or RF I think.

    No he can’t. 1.16 RFg in the OF :lol:

  61. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:27 am

    I could argue this point all day long.
    Texiera clogs up the roster in so many ways.
    Posada may need to switch positions. So may Jeter. Both are signed for 3 more years. Odds are one of them may need to play some first base.
    You also have Miranda in AAA tearing it up. And Montero may have to be moved to first base although they are going to try to keep him as a catcher.
    Bottom line, first base is the LAST position you need locked up for the next 6-7 years. Its stupid baseball. Its moves like this that have made this team what it is: a bunch of overpaid, unmotivated big-name guys with no heart. May as well add one more to the list, right Noonan?
    ———————-

    Jeter can move to the OF. Posada can DH. Problem solved. Montero won’t be ready for another 2 seasons at the earliest. By that time, a lot will change. That’s a good problem to have IMHO.

    It’s stupid baseball believing that you’re okay with a 37 year old former juicer, and you’re only long-term hope is a “25 year-old” Cuban defector who is destined for stardom with his .296 average and 5 HR’s in 200 at bats in AAA. Woo-hoo! The future is bright!

    Also, I like how you suddenly label Teixeira as unmotivated and lack of heart. Do you watch baseball? You honestly have never seen Mark Teixeira play, so your opinion is irrelevant.

  62. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 1:27 am

    “Yeah, I guess a platoon of two juicers in Sexson and Giambi is fine for one season.”

    Who said either of these guys would be on the roster next year?

    I sure didn’t.

    Either way, Giambi for one year is way better than Texiera for 6-7. I don’t have to state my points again, they are painfully obvious.

    Again, I’m just happy you’re not the GM. We’d be in last place with a 300 million payroll if Noonan ran the show.

  63. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:28 am

    Miggs please find where I said we should play Mark Teixeira at 1B becaue he’s a switch-hitter. It’s funny that you have to fabricate to make a decent point. God bless you.

    You can’t find it because it doesn’t exist. This “he said” isn’t getting it done.

  64. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:29 am

    Yeah, and we’d be a team full of 40 year old if you ran the show. Save money. God forbid we use the greatest advantage we have, our payroll. Who else are we going to use that money on? I guess we should give Giambi a 4 year deal! YAAAAAAAY.

  65. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:30 am

    Or better yet, the 30 year old Juan Miranda.

    “Hey, he’s batting .396 in AAA!” Give me a break. This is laughable.

  66. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:31 am

    I guess we shouldn’t spend money on an OF either. We need to save money so that guys like Brett Gardner and Justin Christian can bat .150. YaaaaaY! I love how the farm has been producing for us.

  67. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:34 am

    I mean honestly, Brett Gardner was a third round pick. Even better, Gardner, who is 5′ 10″, plays center field and bats and throws left-handed. In 2007, he was the 10th rated prospect in the Yankees minor league system according to Baseball America.[1]

    He was our 10th best prospect? We must suck then. Face it, the farm movement is still 3 years away before we actually see some real impact guys. Joba was the exception not the rule.

  68. Dr. J July 11th, 2008 at 1:34 am

    We have nobody in our farm in AAA that is anymore than a fringe player. Matt Carson, Miranda, etc. are not going to save us…they are just more Duncan/Betemit types that add to the futility of the offense. And enough with these guys like Gardner who can’t hit… we need to find some REAL hitting talent. Only guy who has a chance to make an impact next year is Jackson. Even he is hitting only .270 in AA.

    While pitching is the main priority in the offseason, you cannot neglect this inconsistent, old/slow, lefty-heavy, offense. It needs to be shaken up… can’t just sit back and be naive about it. Cashman told Hank its a problem, so he obviously recognizes it. Are guys like Burrell, Dunn, Milton Bradley really the answer?

    And if we don’t sign Texeria… im not sure exactly what other options there are. Assuming Hughes is untouchable, what team is going to give us good RH power bats for the likes of Kennedy, Horne, McCutchen, Jones, Aceves etc? If a Jason Bay became available, he is a premier player and a team can surely put together a better package than that. We have no chance at Holliday unless we want to get taken to the cleaners by O’Dowd.

  69. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 1:34 am

    Noonan are you Scott Boras in disguise?

    Or do you work for ESPN?

    I’m just trying to figure out how you think Texiera to the Yankees makes the team better over the long haul.

    And I can’t find one reason, unless he accepts a 3-4 year deal at 13-14 million per.

    Let Boston sign him. They’ve done pretty well with their other recent FA signings right? Let’s see….

    Julio Lugo….bust.
    JD Drew….. crappy ’07 doing ok this year
    Schilling…. out for year
    Matt Clement…..need I say more?

    Name one good FA signing the Sox made in the last few years. Its been all trades and farm system. That’s pretty simple to figure out.

  70. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:38 am

    “It’s like I’m listening to a wannabe Peter Gammons here … The Red Sox have been building thier core through and get this not FA but the actual MLB draft. Thier 2B, thier 1B/3B, thier CF/LF, thier SP prospects, thier CL, thier C…the only signinficant moves in past season was the Schilling deal and the Manny deal, take those 2 away completely different scenerio and Schilling was blocked by the MLB FO from landing in NY, Manny was a RF/LF who gave Boston headaches until 2004. It took 4 years for them to cash in on his services, NY would have killed his career.”

    Hey Brandon,

    You’re right about Schilling and Manny.

    But you forgot about Dice-K 9-1 2.84 ERA

    JD Drew, legit all-star this season

    Oh, and David Ortiz. Enough said.

    Check please! This is such a laughable debate, it’s not even funny.

  71. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:39 am

    LOL, thanks for the laugh tonight guys. Saying that the Sox haven’t beaten us in moves is like saying, the sky isn’t blue.

  72. Nick in SF July 11th, 2008 at 1:41 am

    Aren’t we better off if the Orioles saddle themselves with Tex’s big payday contract? Maybe Cashman can play along to raise the price for Angelos.

  73. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:42 am

    When a year ago, Brett Gardner is rated as your 10th best prospect and he’s a 4th OF on a good MLB roster, it doesn’t bode well on how legit your farm system really is. Don’t get me wrong, I think Cash and the boys are doing a great job as of late, but I think that we started this movement so recently, that the real impact guys are in A and AA. The AAA are more fringe guys.

  74. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 1:43 am

    “Move Giambi to DH. If he doesn’t like it, so what? Teixeira is a gold glover at 1B and is a switch-hitter.”

    You asked for it, there it is. Now maybe you’ll shut up. You argued that somewhow by Texiera being a switch hitter, that affected the decision to play him at 1st over Giambi.

    Again, another head-scratcher. Not to mention the fact that there is no way in hell both guys will be on the team at the same time. But I guess that’s besides the point, right?

    You’re trying to take a small pin-sized hole in my argument and make that the reason you are right. When I have made numerous other points showing what a bunch of nonsense you are spewing.

    Get over yourself.

  75. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:46 am

    Haha, I’m sorry for not putting a comma there. Any reasonable person could see that I said he’s a gold glover, and then added as a bonus for my case for Teixeira that he’s even a switch-hitter too (not adding to the fielding debate just to help his case).

    I think it speaks wonders that you are reaching this much when it’s obvious what my point was and what I was backing it up with. Buy hey, I guess I’ll put that comma there or maybe I’ll break it up so that you aka Curious George can better comprehend.

  76. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:47 am

    What points have you made? You said the Red Sox have made no big free agency flashes when they’re franchise player, second best starter, and third best player are all free agency snags. What a joke.

  77. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:47 am

    Well, I take that back. Drew is their 4th best player. I forgot about the Youkster.

  78. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 1:48 am

    Ok enough talking to brick walls for me tonight.

    Good luck with your Texiera argument Boras ( I mean Noonan).

    Idiot Yankee fans are worse than anything else, even Red Sox fans.

  79. madcat July 11th, 2008 at 1:49 am

    this team is suck of RISP batting.I think that Hal and Hank need to send some message for the players.

  80. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:50 am

    Honestly, what the heck is having a huge payroll if you aren’t going to use it? We have like 80+ million coming off the books, and you don’t want us to sign a bat to big money that can help us. I guess we should just wait 10 seasons from now until our actual impact A and AA prospects are up for arbitration. YAAAAAY!

  81. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 1:51 am

    Again, Melky is a switch hitter too, not really seeing your point.

    Brandon posted Texiera’s splits, the fact that he’s a switch hitter doesn’t really mean anything when he’s average from both sides of the plate.

    Oh but he’s a gold glover !!!

    I almost forgot about that.

  82. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:51 am

    “Idiot Yankee fans are worse than anything else, even Red Sox fans”

    How do you live with yourself then. Tell Man with a Yellow hat I said hi when he tucks you in and reads you a bedtime story.

  83. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 1:51 am

    Hey Brandon,

    You’re right about Schilling and Manny.

    But you forgot about Dice-K 9-1 2.84 ERA

    How can I forget about the worst best SP in the league, I mean he walks the ball park yet his defense is what bails him out.

    JD Drew, legit all-star this season

    This season and he better give Manny 1/2 of that check because he ain’t having this type of year w/o him.

    Oh, and David Ortiz. Enough said.

    Roids ? Manny ?

    Check please! This is such a laughable debate, it’s not even funny.

    Yes for me this is easier than a curveball in an 0-2 count to Shelley Duncan.

  84. Guiseppe Franco July 11th, 2008 at 1:51 am

    Count me as one who doesn’t want the Yanks to sign Teixeira.

    It would be a big mistake and I’m hoping the team has learned from past mistakes.

    What’s this about the Red Sox going after Teixeira?

    Uh, considering Youkilis is their first baseman and Ortiz is still their DH – I don’t see why Theo would sign him to a long term deal.

  85. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 1:54 am

    Yeah so we have 60-70 million coming off the books.

    So what?

    Might as well sign some guys to outrageous contracts to make up that 60-70 million, yeah that makes sense. Just when we are getting some payroll flexibility let’s lock up some guy until 2015 who is having an AVERAGE year.

    Makes total sense to me. At 1st base no less.

    Wow.

    Give me some of what you’re smoking.

    Please.

  86. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 1:56 am

    More common sense.

    Well said Guiseppe.

  87. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:58 am

    You can justify how ever much you want, but David Ortiz is a typically a terror when healthy. Manny is one of the best hitters of all-time. Dice-K might be the ace on our team, but we just love Igawa! And JD Drew is having a great season. Discounting what he’s doing is like me discounting what Giambi is doing because AROD is in the lineup. Give me a break.

    Two words: Weak Sauce.

  88. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 1:59 am

    If Cash signs anyone at all to a big contract this winter, his name better be CC Sabathia.

  89. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 1:59 am

    Red Sox interested in Teixeira
    Posted: Tuesday July 08, 2008 04:43AM ET

    The Red Sox are among many clubs closely monitoring Mark Teixeira, who is approaching free agency and could be dealt this month unless Atlanta’s fortunes take a dramatic turn for the better. The Sox’ interest in the switch-hitting first baseman indicates some concern about the health of designated hitter David Ortiz, who has not played since the end of May because of a wrist injury.

  90. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    The Sox were also supposedly interested in Santana, but they were really only trying to drive up the price for us. I don’t see how this is any different.

    Again, use common sense here. The Sox have Ortiz and Youk under contract. Why the hell would they sign Texiera?

    Oh yeah, they won’t.

  91. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    so they will either lose Manny or Big Papi for Teixeira oh please get this done :lol:

  92. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:03 am

    What the heck else are we going to do with the money? The Yankees biggest advantage is their payroll. Period. If we don’t utilize it, then we are fools. That doesn’t mean we should abuse and give old player longterm deals like we have in the past, but it’s not like we have any young players we need to give extensions to in the future. This team needs an influx of MLB ready talent. The farm is promising, but most of those guys are still several years away.

    Please, take me to Candyland with you, because I’m sorry I’m a realist and actually see how bad this club desperately needs impact players in their prime. It’s sad when a team with a ridiculous payroll has to depend on a 21 year old Phil Hughes and a 23 year old Ian Kennedy to even out there payroll. But hey, the farm will solve everything right! Tell the man with the Yellow hat to cut down on your sugar before bed time.

  93. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:04 am

    ” And JD Drew is having a great season. Discounting what he’s doing is like me discounting what Giambi is doing because AROD is in the lineup. Give me a break.”

    Ummm no its not the same thing.

    Drew is hitting in front of Manny since Ortiz got hurt. Giambi hits 5th or 6th.

    Next!!

  94. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 2:04 am

    Wait before I’m misquoted so if Papi is hurt his replacement will be Tex. If Tex is resigned the Red Sox have to deal either Youkilis, Manny or Lowell. Why do I wanna block this again ?

  95. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:05 am

    Let alone Justin Christian, Dan Giese/Rasner, and our 10th best farm prospect is batting .143. Hell, we just signed Sidney Ponson off the street and he’s our 4th best starter now. Pathetic. I guess we shouldn’t have signed him either. We need to wait on the farm!

  96. Frank July 11th, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Noonan I agree with you 100 percent.

    I really can’t believe how hard people will try to convince themselves not to sign Tex. Letting him go would set the club back, not the other way around.

    It’s Cashman’s fault in the first place why we have a logjam at DH and 1B. But the point NOBODY is getting is that Giambi won’t be on the team next season!! Damon and Matsui and Abreu are right behind him. Tex is a first baseman, not a DH. And he plays every day.

    That leaves Posada… who will still catch BTW. And he can always DH and play SPARINGLY at 1B. Montero is the only prospect to fit those positions. And he’s not 2 years away! He’s 18 years old! He’s a long ways away!

    Juan Miranda??? That’s borderline retarded.

    Teixeira is THE BEST player at his position. He’s having a poor first half of this season and all of a sudden no one wants him. It’s mind-numbing. I hope he has a bad season so perhaps we can get him cheaper.

    Tex isn’t a player past his prime at 28-29. He solves a MAJOR hole on this team. And even if he has a .275/.330/.440 year, he’s still going to give GG calibur defense every game. EVERY GAME. He should be at 1B at Yankee Stadium. Why ANYONE wouldn’t want a switch-hitting, Gold Glove first baseman who has the ability to hit 40 HR and 100+ RBI for ANY REASON is beyond me.

    God forbid the Yankees spend money to bring in an All-Star calibur player. This is the Yankees right? Teixeira isn’t 38 or roided out is he? Does he have a long history of injuries? You all need help.

  97. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Justin Christian is not a prospect :lol:

  98. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Who cares what they do with their jam? You’re missing the point. The Red Sox are interested in Teixeira for legit reasons because he’s a really good player. They were interested in Santana because he’s a really good player too.

  99. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:07 am

    ” It’s sad when a team with a ridiculous payroll has to depend on a 21 year old Phil Hughes and a 23 year old Ian Kennedy to even out there payroll.”

    Thanks for making my argument for me. If they didn’t have a 200 million payroll and a ton of bloated salaries, they wouldn’t have to depend so much on Hughes and Kennedy, they would have signed someone else or traded for Santana.

    Next !!

  100. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:08 am

    I wouldn’t be laughing, Brandon. Big Papi wasn’t an impact signing, right? Christian is a prospect, not a very good one, but he’s a prospect. Pathetic I know, when we trot him out there.

  101. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:10 am

    Miggs, you’re missing the whole time (not surprising I know).

    The Yankees payroll is high because they give long-term contract to guys that are 32 or 33. Teixeira is 28 right now, is going to be 29 next season. There is a difference. Or they completely botched it in the case of Igawa.

    There’s a huge difference. If you can’t say that, well never mind…you’re blind as a bat.

    Next!

  102. Frank July 11th, 2008 at 2:11 am

    miggs you know nothing about baseball BTW

  103. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 2:11 am

    Christian is a prospect, not a very good one, but he’s a prospect. Pathetic I know, when we trot him out there.

    Christian is not a prospect he’s a organizational FA pick up. Pathetic the thought that you think he is a legit prospect. Example Edwar Ramirez wasn’t a Yankee prospect either, neither was Darrell Rasner.

  104. Frank July 11th, 2008 at 2:12 am

    The current payroll had NOTHING do to with why the Yankees didn’t sign Santana.

    Where do you live? Earth?

  105. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:12 am

    Its like banging my head against the wall with this nonsense….

    What the f-ck does Christian, Giese, or Rasner have to do with signing Texiera? The only reason any of those guys are here is because of injuries.

    Now tell me how that has anything to do with signing Texiera to a 7 year deal?

    Guess what? If he gets hurt you’ll be seeing the likes of those guys you just mentioned.

    So there’s another stupid point refuted.

    Next!

  106. Nick in SF July 11th, 2008 at 2:13 am

    Maybe they’re planning on trading Youk to a horse factory. Or a coal mine. Would you want to look at his mug for a full season?

  107. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:13 am

    If the Yankees don’t utilize our payroll, then what gives us any advantage compared to someone like the Baltimore Orioles. Other teams scouts are just as good as ours. It’s not like we have an influx of young talent up for extensions either.

    What got the Yankees in their hole was not spending. It was spending money on players who were started to leave their prime, not just enter it like Teixeira.

  108. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 2:13 am

    While we’re at it Dan Giese is not a Yankee prospect, neither is Jose Veras.

  109. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:14 am

    Frank you’re an idiot.

    “The current payroll had NOTHING do to with why the Yankees didn’t sign Santana.
    Where do you live? Earth?”

    Completely inaccurate. If you folowed the team in the offseason you would know it was a huge factor. This isn’t even debatable.

  110. Carmine July 11th, 2008 at 2:15 am

    Off topic, is anyone high on Matt Carson? I’ve been following him and at Double-A he had an .875 OPS with 16 extra base hits in 116 at bats and an .861 OPS so far at Triple-A with 14 extra base hits in 149 at bats. Of all those extra base hits, 8 of them were triples which is quite good for fewer than 300 at bats. He’s also 27, so you’d have to think he’s probably about as good as he’s going to get right now. Maybe they should ride him hot ala Shelley Duncan last year.

  111. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:15 am

    Brandon, when you play in a minor league organization, and are under 30, you’re a prospect if you’ve played a significant amount of games at that level. Obviously, it’s different for guys who are just making rehab assignments.

  112. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:17 am

    “The Yankees payroll is high because they give long-term contract to guys that are 32 or 33. Teixeira is 28 right now, is going to be 29 next season. There is a difference. ”

    So every major leaguer starts declining at the same age? Is 32 the cutoff or 33?

    Such stupid bullsh-t.

    Numbers don’t lie.

    Texiera is declining. I don’t care if he’s 26 or 36.

  113. Carmine July 11th, 2008 at 2:17 am

    Oh, so someone did mention him. Sorry for the repeat. Maybe not a savior, but still pretty impressive this year say I.

  114. Frank July 11th, 2008 at 2:17 am

    Signing Tex as a free agent makes too much sense.

    This is what’s going to make the Yankees so dominant for years to come.

    They’re going to sign the players they need via free agency. It only costs money. And they’re going to hold on to their top prospects while raping the draft and going overslot on huge upside talent…. filling the holes with the farm system.

    We saw the beginning of it last season.

    And we saw it again when the DIDN’T trade for Santana and DIDN’T trade for Sabathia. But don’t think they won’t try to sign him.

  115. Carmine July 11th, 2008 at 2:18 am

    To add to this, I’d take declining Mark Teixeira and his 131 OPS+ and plus defense any day of the week.

  116. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 2:19 am

    Off topic, is anyone high on Matt Carson? I’ve been following him and at Double-A he had an .875 OPS with 16 extra base hits in 116 at bats and an .861 OPS so far at Triple-A with 14 extra base hits in 149 at bats. Of all those extra base hits, 8 of them were triples which is quite good for fewer than 300 at bats. He’s also 27, so you’d have to think he’s probably about as good as he’s going to get right now. Maybe they should ride him hot ala Shelley Duncan last year.

    He’s hitting in AAA IDK if he’s as good as he is, but he can defend the OF, he’s an organization guy not really a prospect like Shelley Duncan may have upside may be just another Shane Spencer.

  117. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:19 am

    Texiera is just entering his prime?

    Again, please pass me some of what you’re somking.

  118. Frank July 11th, 2008 at 2:19 am

    miggs you’re lost and really don’t know much at all.

    Prospects was the reason the Yankees didn’t sign Santana.

    Say it with me… prospects.

  119. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:19 am

    So every major leaguer starts declining at the same age? Is 32 the cutoff or 33?
    Such stupid bullsh-t.
    Numbers don’t lie.
    Texiera is declining. I don’t care if he’s 26 or 36.

    Or he could just be having an off-year. I believe AROD had one as a Yankee if I’m not mistaken. 28-32 is typically a player’s prime. Obviously, there are some exceptions like Andruw Jones, but I think that’s more of a conditioning issue not age.

  120. Carmine July 11th, 2008 at 2:20 am

    Add to his impressive .272/.378/.488 line the fact that he’s historically better after the break and I really have to agree that he makes too much sense.

  121. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:20 am

    Yes, I believe 27 or 28 is when a player reaches their peak. So yes, Teixeira is just entering his prime.

  122. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 2:20 am

    Brandon, when you play in a minor league organization, and are under 30, you’re a prospect if you’ve played a significant amount of games at that level. Obviously, it’s different for guys who are just making rehab assignments.

    When you get past 26 not really, you are considered an organizational guy not a prospect. You don’t see many 27-30 yr. olds on BA top prospects list.

  123. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:21 am

    Maybe Frank and Noonan both work for Boras.

    Or ESPN.

    Or the Braves front office.

    Its gotta be one of those.

  124. Carmine July 11th, 2008 at 2:21 am

    Yeah, I doubt Carson would dominate in the majors, I was just saying at his age, I don’t see much point in letting him “develop” in the minors, you know?

  125. DFox July 11th, 2008 at 2:22 am

    They should sign Texiera. This team would be pretty lethal right now if they had him. He would make the lineup look much more threatening, and give them great defense at first base. I don’t think there really is a valid argument why they shouldn’t sign him. They don’t even have a first basemen this year…

    Anyway, about tonight’s game. Is it really that negative?? Yes, it was an unfortunate loss, but I look at it more as a positive because Mussina keeps rolling. They do need to get the offense going, but I still believe that will click because with the players they have, it seems like it has to. And look at the standings. The first place Rays have now lost 4 in a row. I truly believe this is the start of their descent to the bottom of the standings. You can only play above your actual ability for so long, and I think the Rays time is up.

  126. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:22 am

    That’s because you’re not a promising prospect obviously if you’re 27-30 and still in the major leagues. BA Top Prospects are based on impact and potential. A player that is 27-30 obviously has little if he’s still in the minors, but that doesn’t mean he’s not a prospect.

  127. Frank July 11th, 2008 at 2:22 am

    The Yankees didn’t want to give up Hughes, Kennedy, Jackson and others JUST to get Santana and then sign him to a monster deal.

    They would rather just pay the money in free agency. This is simple ABC stuff.

    The Yankees wouldn’t do it with Sabathia either. They wanted a window to negotiate with him to get him signed. That was the only way… and they didn’t get it. They’re not going to give up top prospects.

  128. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:23 am

    You don’t sign a guy to a 7 year deal that is having an “off” year. Even if he’s not in a major decline.

    Its just bad baseball.

    Comparing A Rod’s off year to Texiera’s 2008 so far is also comical.

  129. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:23 am

    Miggs, I thought you were going to bed. Don’t keep the man in the yellow hat waiting.

  130. Frank July 11th, 2008 at 2:24 am

    No.

    We just live on a planet where signing GOOD players is a GOOD thing!!

    YAY!

    Goodnight simple ones.

  131. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:25 am

    AROD is a far better player than Teixeira, and Teixeira won’t make any thing close to what AROD makes. An AROD off year is a lot better than a Teixeira off year, but that wasn’t my point, even though you’re lack of reading comprehension once again shines.

    The point is that even one of the best hitters in the game has an off year. Tex’s off year is much worse than AROD’s was, but it still shows that anyone can have an off-year.

    Keep ‘em coming, Suzy.

  132. Carmine July 11th, 2008 at 2:25 am

    I don’t mean to be hostile, but I can’t agree that Teixeira’s having an off year. His line pretty much matches his career numbers other than his slugging percentage being about 40 points lower, but again he’s typically better in the second half.

  133. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:28 am

    Noonan I think that’s your 3rd reference to the man in the yellow hat. Your joke is getting old.

    Don’t you have anything else?

    Is that all can say?

  134. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:29 am

    Well, his career average is .277 against LHP and .303 against RHP. I think he’s at .248 against LHP right now. So yeah, I think he’s having a bit of an off-year.

  135. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:29 am

    Awwww…is Curious George getting cranky?

  136. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:29 am

    All this talk is silly anyway.

    There is NO CHANCE the Yankees go after Texiera (thank god).

    Spend it on CC !!!

  137. Guiseppe Franco July 11th, 2008 at 2:30 am

    Noonan and Frank,

    You mean to tell me that the only guy who can play first base for this team next season is going to cost them $100M+ and 5-6 years?

    No thanks. If he wants that kind of commitment and dollars, he can get it from someone else.

    He wants superstar money and he’s not a superstar player. He’s a very good player, but his best days are behind him.

    One thing that you guys are not taking into account is how this game has now evolved into a young man’s game very quickly. Teams are putting much more emphasis on the draft and these kids are moving through the system faster than ever before.

    As a result of the whole steroids era, MLB has really cracked down on roids, HGH, and perhaps the biggest of them all is amphetamines or “greenies.”

    Now greenies had been around the game of baseball as long as beer, hot dogs, and Cracker Jack. This is the first time they’ve been outlawed and it has had an adverse effect on the players.

    The consequences of this crackdown is that players are starting to show their age a little sooner than they did a decade ago. Players who were still going strong at 35 are now slowing down at 32 and 33. We’ve already seen this with Jeter, Matsui, Damon, and Abreu.

    This is why it is imperative that this team needs to stay away from long term deals with players in their 30s. They are slowing down at a much quicker rate than they have in a long, long time.

    Paying Teixeira all that money and committing to him for so many years would be an enormous mistake. This team needs a stop gap for first base next season until a younger and better option comes along.

    This team will never get younger if you keep going to the well with free agency and signing every guy whose had a few decent years in the game. It’s a losing strategy and one that hasn’t worked since 2000.

  138. Carmine July 11th, 2008 at 2:31 am

    Fair enough, but I’d be willing to bet he raises that in the second half.

  139. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 2:32 am

    Fair enough, but I’d be willing to bet he raises that in the second half.

    Really ?

  140. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:33 am

    They didn’t trade for Sabathia because they aren’t making the playoffs this year.

    No way the Brewers resign him so that works out great for us.

    The Yankees have a much better chance of contending next year with CC at the top of the rotation instead of Texiera basically duplicating Giambi’s numbers.

    Explain to me again how if we had Texiera we’d have a better record this year? Oh that’s right, you never did explain that.

    Maybe because you know there is no argument in your favor on that topic.

  141. Carmine July 11th, 2008 at 2:33 am

    Yes, sir.

  142. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:35 am

    Guiseppe swings and connects.

    Couldn’t agree more.

  143. Cassandra July 11th, 2008 at 2:36 am

    Baseball has become so puritan.

    Hell, Babe Ruth used sprinkle “greenies” on his waffles.

    I blame the Jesus-freaks.

  144. Carmine July 11th, 2008 at 2:36 am

    Also, Teixeira’s career OBP vs. lefties is .385 and this year it’s .374 which is much closer.

  145. DFox July 11th, 2008 at 2:37 am

    Guiseppe Franco, I would have half-believes your post if:
    - Johnny Damon wasn’t having a career year
    - Hideki Matsui wasn’t having a career year
    - Derek Jeter wasn’t going to be batting .300 before we know it

    So, you can spew nonsense out and think no one’s going to catch it, but if you’re going to do that, you might as well just not post anymore and go back to selling hair-product.

  146. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:37 am

    Who else do we get to be the long-term answer at 1B? Give me the name of the player that isn’t 18 years old. If you honestly say Miranda is the answer, you’re living in a fairy tale.

    It’s not that Teixeira is the only guy, it’s that he’s the guy that makes the most sense at the moment. 28 years old is not old by any stretch, and even former known juicers like Giambi are still producing at a pretty high level. I don’t think Teixeria is a juicer, and even if he is, the Yankees can afford to overpay. Is he worth 20 million annually? Probably not. Is he worth 15 million annually? Yes. The Yankees can afford to pay 5 million extra annually who does it both with their bat and glove.

    This team will get younger if you sign young players in free agency. Tex and Sabathia are both young for free agency standards. Our closest longterm 1B answer in Montero is like 4 seasons away.

  147. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:39 am

    DFox …. last time I checked Damon and Matsui were on the DL and Jeter is having his worst year in 10 years.

    Thanks for supporting our argument.

  148. DFox July 11th, 2008 at 2:39 am

    “Guiseppe swings and connects.

    Couldn’t agree more.”

    Oh well then great, because then you must be under the impression that Teixeira is going to have his best years when he is Matsui’s age and Damons age. Because after all, they are both having career years this year, if not for their injuries.

  149. Carmine July 11th, 2008 at 2:39 am

    For the record, I’m not advocating one way or the other. I can see both sides. But, I think Teixeira is a great asset.

  150. DFox July 11th, 2008 at 2:40 am

    “DFox …. last time I checked Damon and Matsui were on the DL and Jeter is having his worst year in 10 years.

    Thanks for supporting our argument.”

    Yeah, and your argument is “build the farm system, build the farm system!” Where are our two starts, one of whom is 21 years old? Oh that’s right, they are on the DL. But I thought young players couldn’t get hurt?

    And are you a complete idiot? Damon got injured from RUNNING IN TO A WALL. If Phil Hughes ran in to a wall, he would have been hospitalized for a month.

  151. g July 11th, 2008 at 2:41 am

    “Derek Jeter wasn’t going to be batting .300 before we know it”

    Average is the most overrated stat for a hitter. 300 with little else isn’t worth much.

    Either you know very little about baseball or you’re grasping at straws. So which is it?

  152. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 2:41 am

    Yes, sir.

    He’s got a long way to go. He’s done it before many times, his BA right now is .272 in 06 he had it at .275 and finished .282 overall in 04′ .275 at the halfway point finished .281 overall. It’s been a pattern post steroids era for him and he’s been one of the players alot of people believe has come in contact w/ it. Although that’s another topice for another day.

  153. Lets try. July 11th, 2008 at 2:43 am

    Brandon you never lose. You think you know it all.

  154. DFox July 11th, 2008 at 2:44 am

    “Average is the most overrated stat for a hitter. 300 with little else isn’t worth much.”

    Yeah, tell that to every Yankee fan who watched Jeter play SS on all the WS teams. What was he then? Derek Jeter the power hitting short stop, 35 HRs per year? No, he was the exact same Derek Jeter he is now except with more speed.

  155. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 2:45 am

    Brandon you never lose. You think you know it all.

    Yes I do, I’m like Buck Showalter Jr. (You can’t beat me)

  156. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:45 am

    When Teixeira gets to Jeter, Matsui, and Damon’s age, he’ll be in the last year of his contract. Not have 2+ left or whatever these. That’s what you guys are overlooking. You act like we’re signing a guy who’s 32 to a longterm deal.

    Honestly, what else are we going to spend the money on in the next few seasons? If it was up to me, I’d go after Teixeira and Sabathia. Give Jeter and Posada one last shot at a ring with two all-star impact players. In 5-7 seasons, our A and AA guys will be entering their arbitration years, and all will be well.

  157. Carmine July 11th, 2008 at 2:45 am

    “Average is the most overrated stat for a hitter. 300 with little else isn’t worth much.”

    Couldn’t agree with this more, but if you look at Jeter’s monthly stats, his OBP has gone .303, .336, .374, and .406. Jeter’s best asset has always been his ability to get on base and his somewhat plus power for a middle infielder. His power’s still somewhat down, but I’d say overall he looks to be on an upward trend.

  158. Gardner Running For Melkys Spot--Brett Gardner > Jon Papelbon--MO for CY Young 2008 July 11th, 2008 at 2:45 am

    Man Melky was good tonight. Im kind of embarassed I said he sucks so ….oh wait, he does

  159. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:46 am

    Guys who can play 1st base next season:

    Giambi (if resigned at reduced salary)
    Miranda (he’s legit)
    Posada
    Anyone else not costing 20 million a year for 7 years.

    Its really simple. 1st base is not the problem. Get that through your thick skull.

    Its a position that can be filled easily. It doesn’t need to be locked up by a guy in decline for the next 7 years.

    If Texiera is a Yankee this year we probably have a WORSE record than we have. Giambi has had some big hits.

    The problem is that Ponson and Rasner are 2 of our starters.
    The problem is that we have a bunch of guys over 30 with contracts that can’t be moved
    The problem is half the lineup has been on the DL this year
    The problem is the huge payroll gives us no flexibility

    The problem certainly isn’t Giambi and Texiera most definitely is not the answer.

  160. Lets try. July 11th, 2008 at 2:46 am

    “Derek Jeter he is now except with more speed.”

    More speed and more everything. Jeter has lost everything, he is not the same Jeter that played in all those world series.

  161. Guiseppe Franco July 11th, 2008 at 2:47 am

    DFox,

    No need to be so nasty.

    If you disagree, fine. Counter with a logical argument and be a man about it.

    But in case you haven’t noticed, Matsui is on the DL and has two bad knees. And he’s going to need surgery on the opposite knee he had surgery on last offseason.

    Matsui also couldn’t play the outfield much even before his current knee injury.

    Abreu is not having a good season. And it’s his contract year.

    Jeter is having the worst season of his career.

    Damon had a bad season last year and now he’s on the DL.

    You can choose to look the other way if you wish, but it’s fans like you who are part of the problem – not the solution.

  162. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:48 am

    Or Brandon, it could also be that he left one of the top hitters park in the MLB. I think that should be noted for this “dip” in average too.

  163. Lets try. July 11th, 2008 at 2:49 am

    I”ll that the Yankees won’t make the playoff in 2 or 3 years. I blame it on not signing Santana last off season.

  164. Guiseppe Franco July 11th, 2008 at 2:49 am

    If Teixeira wants a 6 year deal – he’ll be playing 3 years after the age of 32.

    He won’t be in the final season of his contract.

  165. Lets try. July 11th, 2008 at 2:49 am

    Say****

  166. DFox July 11th, 2008 at 2:50 am

    “More speed and more everything. Jeter has lost everything, he is not the same Jeter that played in all those world series.”

    What has he lost? He’s batting .286. He’ll hit over .300 this year. He’d already be hitting over .300 if he didn’t get hit in the wrist with a 98mph fastball. He’s had season of under .300. I fail to see his epic decline.

  167. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 13) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 11th, 2008 at 2:51 am

    Or Brandon, it could also be that he left one of the top hitters park in the MLB. I think that should be noted for this “dip” in average too.

    That would have more to do w/ SLG % not AVG

  168. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:51 am

    For the 10th time, age is just a number.

    Who cares what his birth certificate says?

    He’s just NOT THAT GOOD, even when he was in his prime.

    He’s a .270 hitter with decent power for a 1st baseman.

    He’s not worth 20 million a year, and he’ll be a marginal player at the end of his next contract, whether he’s 32 or 42.

    Again, his age means virtually nothing when you are talking 29 or 32.

    If he was 24, maybe you’d have a point. But he’s going to be 29.

    So therefore, your point means nothing.

  169. Lets try. July 11th, 2008 at 2:52 am

    Yeah Jeter defense has remain the same also, right?…either you have failed to watch Yankees games this season, or you’re blind. Jeter is loosing it.

  170. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:53 am

    Guiseppe, what are you talking about?

    Derek Jeter is 34. Hideki is 34. Damon is 34. Jorge is 36.

    Teixeira will be around the the last year of his contract around this age (34, or 35). He won’t have 2+ years remaining though like the rest of this guy.

    The major flaw in your guys’s already weak argument.

  171. DFox July 11th, 2008 at 2:54 am

    Guiseppe Franco, if you’re going to read the stats and the DL listing and not even look at how they got there, then that’s fine, but don’t pretend you’re doing any sort of analysis.

    Once again, Johnny Damon ran in to a wall. Before that, he was having the second best season of his career and was an absolute lethal leadoff hitter. Don’t pretend he’s on the DL because of age. He’s on the DL because he ran too hard into the wall. I’ve seen 20 year old players get much more serious injuries doing much less than that.

    And about Jeter, just stop. He’s going to be hitting .300 before we know it. If he ends the year at .280 then you were correct, but I think even you know in your heart that your dead wrong.

  172. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:54 am

    Miggy, this is laughable.

    You hate Teixeira, yet you love Miranda…the “25 year old” who’s hitting .300 in AAA.

    This is just too much.

  173. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:56 am

    I love Miranda at 400K much more than Texiera at 20 million.

    Try and look at the big picture here.

  174. DFox July 11th, 2008 at 2:57 am

    “Yeah Jeter defense has remain the same also, right?…either you have failed to watch Yankees games this season, or you’re blind. Jeter is loosing it.”

    You people are seriously shallow and don’t actually think before you say these things. Of course he’s not the same defensive shortstop he once was. But he is still an above average defensive shortstop. He has 8 errors this year. He had 24 in 2000. Remember what happened in 2000? So if you honestly believe Derek Jeter’s defense is something to worry about, then I feel bad for you.

  175. Carmine July 11th, 2008 at 2:57 am

    Jeter’s defense has never been tremendous. He makes some flashy and gutsy plays, but in general he often has to flash what really premier shortstops can make routinely. His upside has always been his bat as he’s one of the best hitting shortstops of this generation. The most alarming thing this season is his power drop. As of right now his Slg. is .388 vs. a career .459. I think it’s possible his wrist might still be hurting as that would surely contribute to a power decline. As long as he can get on base, he’s doing his job as a #1/#2 type hitter, IMO.

  176. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 2:58 am

    You’re right I don’t like Texiera, but if I thought he’d help the team win I’d like him just fine.

    But again, explain to me how having him on the team in ’08 would improve our record.

    I’ve asked this like 5 times yet you only respond to the points that you have valid arguments for.

  177. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:58 am

    Who cares? Honestly, what else are we going to spend that money on Miggy? We have no young players needing extensions beside Wang in the immediate future. I don’t know about you, but I think signing Tex or even Sabathia allows us to win now without really hurting the foundation of our farm system. I don’t know about you, but I’d like to give Jeter and Posada one more shot at a ring, they deserve it. However, waiting on guys like Juan Miranda puts us in the AL East cellar. Let along trot Giambi out there for another 2 seasons.

    Money is nothing to the Yankees. It’s not spending that got us in a hole, it’s giving 32+ year olds long-term contract or flash in the pans (Pavano) or panic (Igawa). It’s overlooked, but even though the Yankees developed talent, a lot of their dynasty teams had big impact free agent signings.

  178. Carmine July 11th, 2008 at 3:00 am

    Not to attack you DFox, but the reason Jeter makes fewer errors is because he doesn’t even get to a lot of balls to make the errors, which are arguably the most misleading stat in baseball(next to pitcher records). I think fielding stats in general are all misleading, but Bill James’s range factor per 9 is probably the most accurate. It’s based on putouts and assists per 9 innings. With the average at 4.14, Jeter’s at 3.94. For his career, it’s 4.18 with Jeter at 4.11. He’s definitely fallen off defensively, though I’d say for his career, he’s at best an average defender.

  179. DFox July 11th, 2008 at 3:00 am

    “But again, explain to me how having him on the team in ‘08 would improve our record.”

    Um, because he would be in the lineup every day right now instead of some below average hitter… When Matsui comes back, I don’t know what would happen, but right now, he obviously would be helping.

  180. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 3:01 am

    It gives us another bat. AROD is the only big batter we have in the lineup. Jeter, Giambi, Posada, Abreu, and Cano are nice hitters, but they generally don’t give you that big all-around production like Tex can (although I will acknowledge the Big G has had a better year hitting; still doesn’t discount that Tex would be a huge upgrade defensively). Honestly, when you’re scoring 2 runs a game, how doesn’t Tex help? Move Giambi to DH. Have Posada DH and C because Giambi is not a full-time player. When Matsui comes back, you cross that bridge when you get to it because who knows how effective he’ll be.

  181. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 3:04 am

    Ok Noonan now I really do have to get some sleep.

    No hard feelings, we all want the team to win.

    I just think the money could be better spent elsewhere (like Sabathia) and even the Yankees have their limits with payroll.

    Its frustrating having all these guys that no other teams want because they get paid too much. Its killing the team.

    I just think Texiera adds to that list. But again, its just an opinion. If Cash signs Texiera this winter I won’t like it, but I’ll root for him just like I root for everyone else.

    Night all, good debate !!

  182. Carmine July 11th, 2008 at 3:04 am

    Giambi’s been the best hitter on our team this year not named A-Rod.

  183. Carmine July 11th, 2008 at 3:05 am

    But yeah, Giambi at DH and Tex at 1B would be nice. Though, I can pretty much guarantee they’d shave the stache if they signed Tex.

  184. DFox July 11th, 2008 at 3:06 am

    Carmine, I understand his range has decreased, obviously because of his speed, but has it really impacted his ability to play a solid SS? How many times are you watching a game and Jeter not being able to get to a ball costs them the game… If the SS can’t get to the ball, chances are it was a bad pitch and it was hit too hard anyway.

  185. Carmine July 11th, 2008 at 3:07 am

    I love Jeter. I’m not knocking him at all. Anything he’s ever cost us in the field, he’s surely made up 10-fold with the bat. Range reduction is a natural thing for an aging player. So, I agree with you there. The only alarming thing to me, again, is his power reduction.

  186. miggs July 11th, 2008 at 3:07 am

    Last point…

    DFox but his numbers are comparable to Giambi who has played the majority of the games at 1st.

    So how would having Texiera at first instead of Giambi this year improve the team?

    His defense is better obviously. But the hitting stats are pretty comparable. And the Big G has a better OBP and OPS.

    I just don’t think 1st base is the problem. Lots of other holes to fill.

  187. Guiseppe Franco July 11th, 2008 at 3:08 am

    DFox,

    Here’s your problem.

    I haven’t said all of these guys have completely fallen on their face. What I am saying is that it’s obvious that they are all in decline because their best days are behind them.

    The biggest problem with that is they are all on the same team and in the same starting lineup (when healthy).

    This team’s age is a big concern and it’s a huge reason why we see them play such crappy uninspired baseball. How many times did Torre need team meetings and need to get tossed out of a game to get the team fired up?

    There’s nothing wrong with having a couple of players in their mid-30s. But when most of the everyday players are of that age – the team as a whole looks slow, uninspired, and lacks energy far too often.

    This team created it’s own problem by going to the well so often for quick fixes with the FA market and ignored the draft until 2005.

    As a result, this team is old and they have no position players ready to contribute.

    It’s not an easy fix but the best solution is go find younger options instead of continuing the same stupid strategy that obviously hasn’t worked in 8 years.

  188. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 3:08 am

    Miggy, no hard feelings as well. I’m sorry this argument turned personal at times. I respect your opinion and understand how you could be weary even if I still feel Tex would be a good acquisition. For the record, I’d rather have Sabathia, but if it was up to me, I’d go after both.

  189. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 3:12 am

    Miggs,

    Texeira wouldn’t replace Giambi, he’d just slide Giambi over to DH. You’d simply be gaining Texeira’s bat and his glove which would help this team both offensively and defensively.

  190. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 3:14 am

    Guiseppe,

    I agree with this point:

    “This team’s age is a big concern and it’s a huge reason why we see them play such crappy uninspired baseball. How many times did Torre need team meetings and need to get tossed out of a game to get the team fired up?
    There’s nothing wrong with having a couple of players in their mid-30s. But when most of the everyday players are of that age – the team as a whole looks slow, uninspired, and lacks energy far too often.”

    However, who else on our roster is going to be Texeira’s age when he’s in his mid-30s? All of our 34+ year olds will be retired, and there is no one else that’s on the team that is in the same age group. Cano is the closest and he’s 3 years younger.

  191. DFox July 11th, 2008 at 3:15 am

    “The only alarming thing to me, again, is his power reduction.”

    I think that’s a fair point. But you can also look at 1997 and say decreased average brought decreased HRs. I really only think you can make a judgement on him at the end of the year. We’ve all seen him go on incredible streaks, so I would expect one in the second half this year. It’ll certainly be interesting to see.

    “DFox but his numbers are comparable to Giambi who has played the majority of the games at 1st.”

    I was talking about if you had Giambi DHing, where he belongs.

    “I haven’t said all of these guys have completely fallen on their face. What I am saying is that it’s obvious that they are all in decline because their best days are behind them.”

    I’m aware you said that. But then I inquired to you about WHY Damon was having the second best season of his career including a 6/6 game, stealing bases, etc, and why Matsui was having the best year of his career. I realize Matsui is on the DL, but he has always had bad knees. And he’ll be back. But what I’m saying is, Damon and Matsui are awful examples to use of aging players when they are both having career years.

  192. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 3:17 am

    Texeira would be part of the bridge core player that can help bridge from our old core (Jeter, Posada, etc.) to our young core (Austin Jackson, Montero, Tabata, etc.) and still keep up competitive. We’re going to need a player or two in Tex’s age group if we want to stay competitive to help carry this team.

  193. Wes July 11th, 2008 at 3:26 am

    Where is SJ44 at? Someone needs to talk sense to some of these people.

  194. nyyfaninlaaland July 11th, 2008 at 3:28 am

    Brandon – shouldn’t extending FA Lowell count as a significant FA move. Kind of a key player – didn’t get him through the draft. I’ll readily admit their system got him in the first place via trade.

    The best strategy is a mixed one that follows the best path at each position. It’s based on developing within either for players on your field or as trade chips. The system can also be replenished / enhanced via trade, but this is the strategy employed by losing teams shedding payroll or moving piece or rental players for prospects. If you’re in contention, you don’t do that. Since the Yanks have been in contention every year since 1993, we haven’t seen much of that. Tampa’s done that to good effect – because they’ve been losers!

    The Yanks key advantage is money. They’re not better at scouting than everyone. They’ve used their advantage to go over slot in the draft & to spend more internationally as well as plug roster holes through trades using prospects or through free agency. The focus is too much on championships. No one is dominating in that regard, despite the Sox winning 2 of the last 4. The most dominant team of the last 15 years has been the Yankees. The Braves a solid second, but they’ve fallen off just lately. The Red Sox and Cards have done fairly well, as have the Angels in the last 5 years. No one else is close. When Boston won in ’04 they barely had a single “homegrown” player. Chicago ’05, St. Louis ’06, not so much. Even the Sox in ’07 were far from heavy in this regard, though they are pushing that approach hard and with success of late. It makes financial sense. By the way, who’s the homegrown C in Boston? Not Varitek.

    Everybody’s touting the Rays as developed that way. It’s actually trades for prospects and cheaper free agents that have helped them forward. Drafted players there are Crawford, Upton, Longoria, Shields, Sonnanstine, Howell, Hammell, Gomes, Riggans. 9. It’s a nice core though. But with 10 years drafting in the top 5 I’d have thought they’d done a bit better. FA’s are Pena, Iwamura, Hinske, Floyd, Percival, Reyes (DL), Glover, Miller. 8. Traded for Kazmir, Jackson, Garza, Wheeler, Balfour, Bartlett (DL), Aybar, Zobrist, Navarro, Gross. 10. Nice mixed strategy. The difference between us and them – aside from 13 straight playoff appearances to none – is that they’ve traded for prospects (because they’ve been losing), the Yanks have traded prospects for players (because they’ve been winning). The difference this year – virtually every pitcher on the Rays roster is having a career or near career year. Not a surprise maybe with a young rotation – but their pen is older than ours.

    The real paragons of homegrownness are last years’ playoff darlings, the Indians, Rockies, and D’Backs. How are those impending dynasties holding up? Many roads to success my friend, and the path is a winding one.

    And miggs, regardless of whether it would be a good thing or not – isn’t that dependant on how the deal ends up – signing Tex wouldn’t hamstring the Yanks. The Yanks have 5 guys signed past 2009, 3 past 2010, 1 past 2011. A number under control – that’s a good thing too. 4 in arb years – Wang (hopefully he’s gonna get even pricier soon), Bruney, Betemit, and Melky. What will it be like at loHud when Melky’s making 3X what Gardner’s making next season? We have 11 contracts over $11 mil for 2008. I’m not feeling so hamstrung.

  195. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 3:36 am

    Another point to add is that if we add Texeira, we can let Giambi walk and the lost draft picks for signing Tex will be moot because Giambi will be a Type A free agent if he keeps this up. That allows us to use the DH for Matsui, Damon, and occasionally Posada.

  196. Guiseppe Franco July 11th, 2008 at 4:04 am

    Giambi won’t be a Type-A free agent unless they offer him arbitration and he declines.

    But if they did offer it to him, he’ll probably accept.

    So that throws your strategy out the window.

  197. dean July 11th, 2008 at 4:09 am

    People, please. I can’t believe how many of you buy into this so-called master plan of cash-man’s.he tries to sell fiscal responsibility, yet he was the one who wasted a combined 86 mil on igawa and pavano.wasted millions more on latroy hawkins and roger clemens. Who traded pettitte, brought in kevin brown, jeff weaver, javier vasquez, jaret wright, steve karsay, chris hammond..do I need to go on? How are those moves looking? It’s not how much you spend as how you spend it. Cash-man would never have traded young prospect matt drews for cecil fielder. He would have never signed a darryl strawberry or tim raines. How do you like our bench? The lack of one has cost the team at least a half dozen games as we are forced to watch minor league nobodies face closers in the late innings. In thw “old days” the yanks bench players could start for other teams:where’s our chilli davis? Or charlie hayes? Or even chad curtis? Cash-man can’t make trades because most teams don’t want our phony prospects, most who won’t ever play in the big leagues.he acquired quantity – like some guy who thinks he’s rich because he purchased a boatload of scratch-off tickets. And when he’s done, he’s won like 10 bucks. Most of these minor leaguers are not blue chippers and they all seem to need or be recovering from tommy john surgery.I’d feel a lot more comfortable if a guy like gene michael was running the show.there are no super teams in baseball this year, so there is no reason to give in. Shortterm, our gm should try to beef up the bench with gamers like darin erstad, mark loretta and raul ibanez…erstad plays gold glove first and the outfield and he has fire. Loretta can spell cano and come off the bench. I would also try to acquire derek lowe who is a winner and can start or relieve..and yes, bronson arroyo, who would come dirt cheap. Cash-man should try to be a little creative. As far as fiscal responsibility, spare me. My four season’s tickets cost me 92 bucks a game back in 97. Now, they go for 500 per game – and next year are going for 450 a seat- yes, a seat – 1800 a game. Have you been to the stadium recently? Everything is for sale. Everything is sponsored. The stadium club is now the sony stadium club. The bottom line is the yankees are printing money, cashman is preaching fiscal responsibility as a cya for all his bad moves.the yankees can make the playoffs and then it’s a crapshoot. The only team that scares the red sox is the yankees. Ill take my chances come october with a rotation of joba, pettitte, moose, wang and hughes.don’t buy the cash-man bs….this is the yankees – not the royals. Our resources should allow the franchise to build for the future and win in the present. But that means the gm has to do his job.

  198. DFox July 11th, 2008 at 4:30 am

    dean, I couldn’t agree more. This is certainly a win now team, and a win later team. There is no reason the Yankees can’t compete for the World Series this year. The Rays have already began their decline and instead of being 11 games back the Yankees are 6.5. Cashman should get creative, fill the holes, and if it requires some big dollars or some prospects, then go for it. After all, the Yankees can’t hold on to every prospect. It seems Cashman and a lot of Yankee fans have taken the approach “Keep everyone!! We can’t trade any prospects ever again!!”. That’s just plain silly.

  199. Old Goat July 11th, 2008 at 5:38 am

    When that lineup was posted, how many people really thought the Yankees were going to win the game?

    Girardi keeps playing musical chairs with the lineup and it keeps taking the Yankees out of the game. Posada hates being DH or at 1st. Think that helps win games?

  200. 86w183 July 11th, 2008 at 7:25 am

    The biggest weakness on this team remains the lack of quality RH hitting, wehich is why shlubs like Maholm can look so good against them. The long range plan sohuld be to replace both Giambi and Abreau with RH bats to bring much needed balance to the lineup.

    Teixiera is a great place to start. Though he has struggled a bit as a RH hitter this year, he is a proven power hitting 1B from both sides of the plate, an exceptional defensive first baseman and he turns 29 next April. Over the last three years he has averaged .296, 35, 120. How many have bettered that?

    Giambi will turn 38 before Tex turns 29. To keep him either Matsui or Damon must be moved, period. He makes me nervous, but Milton Bradley in place of Abreu would also add power and balance while getting younger in RF.

    then sign CC Sabathia, trade young arms for Marte and acquire Catalanotto as an ideal player off the bench.

    My work here is done

  201. Fan mail from some flounder... July 11th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Posada needs to STFU and play where ever the Yankees want him to play. Considering the contract he got, essentially paying him for past performance, makes him one lucky MoFo. His bum shoulder, which by the way at his age makes it “bum for life”, means he can’t throw anybody out, which means he’s a defensive liability, which means walks & singles become auto-doubles. Molina can’t outhit my dead grandmother but at least its not a track meet on the base paths! Yo Jorge! We the fans don’t really care what you “like to do”, we would like you supremely overpaid Yankees to win another freakin title !!

  202. bodhisattva July 11th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    As a seldom poster but avid reader of this forum, I have enjoyed many posters here, particularly CB, who seems the least ego-motivated, and one of the most thoughtful.

    As for SJ, would never hold against him his early season observations about Giambi, who was killing us and who is 37 years old. His defense of Cashman’s steadfast plan to develope the farm and our pitching isn’t unique, but it’s dead on.

    That said, his baseball acumen fell into serious question when he suggested that the Yankees should shop their 25-year old gold-glove bound, headed-for-extraordinary hitting second baseman. For me, that disqualified him as a voice of reason and banished him to the voice of madness region for all time.

  203. Mitch July 11th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    It ia an absolute joke that team with the Yanks resources are playing Gardner, Christian, Rasner, Giese, Betemit and the like. These guys are scrubs plain and simple. I know we have had injuries, but if this is what we have to play with we are in bad shape. why would it be wring to bring up all prospects and see what they can do. Maybe some will surprise us. I dont care if the front office doesnt think they are ready. What the heck do they know, when they bring up the guys they have. We look weak and stupid to boot.

  204. bodhisattva July 11th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    nyyfaninlaaland,

    Good piece of writing.

  205. Tony July 11th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Yankee pitching this year isnt the problem….The problem is hitting losing a lot of one and 2 run games. I know a lot of people wont like this idea but its a good one to add a great bat and onbase percentage, add BONDS in left field and have Damon come back and play center and sit Melky on the bench. I know Barry’s average wasnt stellay last year but it was a lot better than Melky’s and much like the mob the yankees can offer something to Barry that he has never had before PROTECTION. His on Base Percentage is great but imagine the average or power number he could have displayed if he wasnt walked so many times. I dont like Barry personally but I think he would be a good inexpensive option, and I dont want to hear about the distraction he is in the clubhouse, the NY media is just as much of a distraction.

  206. Noonan July 11th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    No thanks to Bonds. He’d create a media circus, and we already have enough old sluggers who can’t really play the field.

  207. Tony July 11th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    No we dont have any sluggers in the outfield. Abreu used to be one, not anymore. and he would cause no more a media circus than Giambi’s thong or A-Rod’s divorce or Jeters flavor of the week or Matsui’s porn collection for that matter. Besides Barry’s arm is still better than Damon’s.

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