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		<title>By: bodhisattva</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/11/halladay-too-much-for-the-yankees/comment-page-3/#comment-434020</link>
		<dc:creator>bodhisattva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, 86w, this obssession with the No. 9 hitter is puzzling. And this Melky vs. Gardner in-fighting is just... bizarre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, 86w, this obssession with the No. 9 hitter is puzzling. And this Melky vs. Gardner in-fighting is just&#8230; bizarre.</p>
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		<title>By: 86w183</title>
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		<dc:creator>86w183</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Need a special room for the Melky/Gardner idiocy to take place. Both have value, neither is an all-star waiting to happen, but ripping on young players is childish and classless... enough already.

I think some of the criticism of Cashman is premature. Yeah, he&#039;s made some bad moves with Hawkins at or near the top of the list, but some of you don&#039;t understand player development at all. 

Why is he holding onto a large group of RH pitching prospects instead of dealing them for positional prospects? Because you need time to determine the ones you want to keep and the ones you want to deal. Six months ago you&#039;d be more inclined to deal Veras and Ramirez than you would be now, for example. Robertson is another guy who&#039;s value keeps going up. It takes time. There are no quick fixes going the player development route.

The Yankees are trying to develop their own, get younger and cheaper AND remain contenders... those goals are not accomplished with a single philosophy. It&#039;s more of a mix and match thing. So you sign a Hawkins to buy time for young arms and you look stupid... you hold on to Kennedy and Hughes, they go 0-8 and you look stupid. That&#039;s the nature of the beast. I think the Yanks are positioned to be a dramatically better team in &#039;09 and if this seaosn is the price to pay for it, that&#039;s okay with me.

Finally, please don&#039;t let Bily Traber into NYC again... not even to visit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Need a special room for the Melky/Gardner idiocy to take place. Both have value, neither is an all-star waiting to happen, but ripping on young players is childish and classless&#8230; enough already.</p>
<p>I think some of the criticism of Cashman is premature. Yeah, he&#8217;s made some bad moves with Hawkins at or near the top of the list, but some of you don&#8217;t understand player development at all. </p>
<p>Why is he holding onto a large group of RH pitching prospects instead of dealing them for positional prospects? Because you need time to determine the ones you want to keep and the ones you want to deal. Six months ago you&#8217;d be more inclined to deal Veras and Ramirez than you would be now, for example. Robertson is another guy who&#8217;s value keeps going up. It takes time. There are no quick fixes going the player development route.</p>
<p>The Yankees are trying to develop their own, get younger and cheaper AND remain contenders&#8230; those goals are not accomplished with a single philosophy. It&#8217;s more of a mix and match thing. So you sign a Hawkins to buy time for young arms and you look stupid&#8230; you hold on to Kennedy and Hughes, they go 0-8 and you look stupid. That&#8217;s the nature of the beast. I think the Yanks are positioned to be a dramatically better team in &#8216;09 and if this seaosn is the price to pay for it, that&#8217;s okay with me.</p>
<p>Finally, please don&#8217;t let Bily Traber into NYC again&#8230; not even to visit.</p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last few years Cashman has operated under the theory that the team has to earn the right to be rewarded with a major reinforcement at the trade deadline.  What&#039;s the point of trading away propects for short term gain unless the current team shows themselves capable of being just that one piece away from success.  They have 2 weeks of play to still show that.

Sexson might be a good stop gap for the next few weeks.  He plays a better 1st base than Betemit, has good numbers against LHP and has as high a chance of success as a PH as any of the current bench players.  For $200,000 it&#039;s worth a shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last few years Cashman has operated under the theory that the team has to earn the right to be rewarded with a major reinforcement at the trade deadline.  What&#8217;s the point of trading away propects for short term gain unless the current team shows themselves capable of being just that one piece away from success.  They have 2 weeks of play to still show that.</p>
<p>Sexson might be a good stop gap for the next few weeks.  He plays a better 1st base than Betemit, has good numbers against LHP and has as high a chance of success as a PH as any of the current bench players.  For $200,000 it&#8217;s worth a shot.</p>
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		<title>By: mark - Play Moeller! Yankees can win it all with the players they have.</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark - Play Moeller! Yankees can win it all with the players they have.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment is about Posada and nothing else. Posada stinks right now and his attitude stinks even more. Iâ€™m not hating everything heâ€™s been to the team over the years. Iâ€™m hating the fact that this team has been struggling all season and his only thought is about himself. I bet teams that never steal a base canâ€™t wait to play the Yankees if heâ€™s catching. Heâ€™s a complaining spoil sport. Itâ€™s not like heâ€™s been benched. Girardi uses him at first and at DH. But thatâ€™s not good enough. No he needs to catch even though he canâ€™t throw worth a damn.

I was all for his latest contract. Now I wish heâ€™d disappear. RIGHT NOW he stinks and his attitude stinks worse. How about worrying about the team winning Jorge and backing off until you can do your job right? I know, not a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment is about Posada and nothing else. Posada stinks right now and his attitude stinks even more. Iâ€™m not hating everything heâ€™s been to the team over the years. Iâ€™m hating the fact that this team has been struggling all season and his only thought is about himself. I bet teams that never steal a base canâ€™t wait to play the Yankees if heâ€™s catching. Heâ€™s a complaining spoil sport. Itâ€™s not like heâ€™s been benched. Girardi uses him at first and at DH. But thatâ€™s not good enough. No he needs to catch even though he canâ€™t throw worth a damn.</p>
<p>I was all for his latest contract. Now I wish heâ€™d disappear. RIGHT NOW he stinks and his attitude stinks worse. How about worrying about the team winning Jorge and backing off until you can do your job right? I know, not a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: yankee21</title>
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		<dc:creator>yankee21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree on Sexson, what can it hurt?   Betemit has totally not impressed me, he&#039;s good trade bait, package him with IPK or McCutcheon and get a good positional prospect.    

The Yankees don&#039;t have any clear remedies for 1B, everything I hear about Miranda is that he cannot field so one dimensional.   

No 1B knocking on the door in the MiL for the Yankees, and you need to let Giambi walk at the end of the year, so we need to try out different solutions (including Posada even though it pisses Po off)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree on Sexson, what can it hurt?   Betemit has totally not impressed me, he&#8217;s good trade bait, package him with IPK or McCutcheon and get a good positional prospect.    </p>
<p>The Yankees don&#8217;t have any clear remedies for 1B, everything I hear about Miranda is that he cannot field so one dimensional.   </p>
<p>No 1B knocking on the door in the MiL for the Yankees, and you need to let Giambi walk at the end of the year, so we need to try out different solutions (including Posada even though it pisses Po off)</p>
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		<title>By: yankee21</title>
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		<dc:creator>yankee21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe; 

the Yankees have not demonstrated any sense of urgency so while 6 1/2 games on paper is not insurmountable, the way the Yankees play the game these days (offense and defense) just 1 game back sure looks insurmountable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe; </p>
<p>the Yankees have not demonstrated any sense of urgency so while 6 1/2 games on paper is not insurmountable, the way the Yankees play the game these days (offense and defense) just 1 game back sure looks insurmountable.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe from Long Island</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe from Long Island</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got up and scanned the posts from last night.

1. Rebecca, in her 12:27AM post, linked to an ESPN story about Jim Bowden and Jose Rios being linked to skimming money from Dominican FAs.  Reading that story, it really seems that the whole international FA business is very dirty, as Pete and others have written.  Who knows where this leads to, but the potential explosion would be enormous.

2. Roy Halladay is a tremendous pitcher.  Being shut down by him is nothing to be ashamed about.  However, being stopped by the lkes of Paul Maholm, Paul Byrd, etc., etc., etc., is the problem.  

At this point in the season, you can&#039;t wait for something that hasn&#039;t happened yet.  Whether it&#039;s the loss of Damon and Matsui, Jorge being subpar, Jeter playing hurt, or whatever, these things aren&#039;t going to change suddenly.  

That&#039;s why taking on Sexson is reasonable.  For the possibility that he helps against lefties a bit more, and may bring a better glove to 1B.  If we move Wilson, then Albeto Gonzalez would need to come back, as we would need a backup middle infielder; maybe exchange AG for Traber.

Look, 6-1/2 games is not insurmountable, but we have to do something to make it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got up and scanned the posts from last night.</p>
<p>1. Rebecca, in her 12:27AM post, linked to an ESPN story about Jim Bowden and Jose Rios being linked to skimming money from Dominican FAs.  Reading that story, it really seems that the whole international FA business is very dirty, as Pete and others have written.  Who knows where this leads to, but the potential explosion would be enormous.</p>
<p>2. Roy Halladay is a tremendous pitcher.  Being shut down by him is nothing to be ashamed about.  However, being stopped by the lkes of Paul Maholm, Paul Byrd, etc., etc., etc., is the problem.  </p>
<p>At this point in the season, you can&#8217;t wait for something that hasn&#8217;t happened yet.  Whether it&#8217;s the loss of Damon and Matsui, Jorge being subpar, Jeter playing hurt, or whatever, these things aren&#8217;t going to change suddenly.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why taking on Sexson is reasonable.  For the possibility that he helps against lefties a bit more, and may bring a better glove to 1B.  If we move Wilson, then Albeto Gonzalez would need to come back, as we would need a backup middle infielder; maybe exchange AG for Traber.</p>
<p>Look, 6-1/2 games is not insurmountable, but we have to do something to make it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: yankee21</title>
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		<dc:creator>yankee21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who else is so damn tired of hearing guys like Jeter and A-Rod and the Joes (Joe T, G) give  it up to the pitcher, saying he was dominant, he was tough, could&#039;ve beat an AS team...etc

Why is it the Yankees (aside from Damon) never seem to say we sucked, we&#039;re in trouble, we&#039;re an embarassing team, and we better get it together damn fast or we&#039;re staying home in October?   I&#039;ll answer; they&#039;re comfortable, they&#039;re old and they&#039;re content.  No fire, no passion, no sense of urgency.  I though Joe G would help here, so far he has not. 

If I&#039;m Hank I walk into the clubhouse before today&#039;s game and state a couple of points, a five minute speech if you will:

#1- Its up to you in this clubhouse, there will be no major acquisitions, we will not mortgage the future of this franchise to bandaid a season on the brink of ruin by guys who are paid to get the job done and are expected to. 

#2- Its up to you to prove you want to be part of this franchise going forward. Your words mean nothing, your performance means everything. Not every pitcher is Cy Young.

Have a good game! And if I were you I wouldn&#039;t buy a home in the NY area, just yet....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who else is so damn tired of hearing guys like Jeter and A-Rod and the Joes (Joe T, G) give  it up to the pitcher, saying he was dominant, he was tough, could&#8217;ve beat an AS team&#8230;etc</p>
<p>Why is it the Yankees (aside from Damon) never seem to say we sucked, we&#8217;re in trouble, we&#8217;re an embarassing team, and we better get it together damn fast or we&#8217;re staying home in October?   I&#8217;ll answer; they&#8217;re comfortable, they&#8217;re old and they&#8217;re content.  No fire, no passion, no sense of urgency.  I though Joe G would help here, so far he has not. </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m Hank I walk into the clubhouse before today&#8217;s game and state a couple of points, a five minute speech if you will:</p>
<p>#1- Its up to you in this clubhouse, there will be no major acquisitions, we will not mortgage the future of this franchise to bandaid a season on the brink of ruin by guys who are paid to get the job done and are expected to. </p>
<p>#2- Its up to you to prove you want to be part of this franchise going forward. Your words mean nothing, your performance means everything. Not every pitcher is Cy Young.</p>
<p>Have a good game! And if I were you I wouldn&#8217;t buy a home in the NY area, just yet&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: YankeesLuv</title>
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		<dc:creator>YankeesLuv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen games where the offense was just pathetic but last night I have to give it to Halladay. From the start I knew we were in trouble.  He&#039;s probably the best pitcher in the American League.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen games where the offense was just pathetic but last night I have to give it to Halladay. From the start I knew we were in trouble.  He&#8217;s probably the best pitcher in the American League.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenBeret7</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenBeret7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie, the real &quot;bad jokes&quot; on these boards are trolls.  You need to go find yourself a drunk to roll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie, the real &#8220;bad jokes&#8221; on these boards are trolls.  You need to go find yourself a drunk to roll.</p>
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