Sign Sexson? Sure, why not?
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- July
- 11
Arrive in Toronto, flip open the PowerBook and there are four “The Yankees should sign Richie Sexson” e-mails.
OK, let’s look it over:
PROS
- Sexson has good splits against lefties (.344/.423/.623). Maybe you can platoon him with Jason Giambi at first base or DH him against lefties instead of somebody like Wilson Betemit.
- He would cost only the prorated minimum.
- He’s really, really tall. So the company basketball team would get better.
CONS
- Sexson was a bad player on the worst team in the league. If he can’t play for the Mariners what makes you think he can play for the Yankees?
- The Yankees have approximately 87 one-dimensional first base/DH types. The last thing they need is another player like that.
- The Yankees probably should be in the business of seeing what they have for the future, not giving second chances to fading veterans.
THE VERDICT
The Yankees are very much in the mix for a playoff spot. What can it hurt to bring Sexson in for two weeks and see what he does against lefties? Is Justin Christian really that compelling to keep around? Chad Moeller literally never plays. He can’t be stashed in Scranton?
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Peter Abraham
You said it perfectly in the CONS: he was a bad player on the worst team..that was the only thing you needed to say. I vote a big NO for Sexson
Bad player on the worst team with a really bad batting average. However, looking at our bench, I’d be more then fine having Richie Sexon there to hit against a lefty. Look at the line-ups we throw out there against lefty’s.. it’s embarassing – throwing Sexon in the mix could give us another bat that might actually make contact.
PRO: The consistent fanning caused by his strikeouts will keep Yankee fans cool during the sweltering August weather.
It would be nice to have a bench player who’s actually a 1B and has power. Why not give him a shot for two weeks? He has to be better than Duncan.
I vote YES
Sexson vs LHP plus his defense at 1B sign me up.
“You said it perfectly in the CONS: he was a bad player on the worst team..that was the only thing you needed to say.”
So…”can actually hit big-league lefties” isn’t something that appeals to you? You’re that psyched on giving those ABs to Wilson Betemit?
assuming we could get moeller thru waivers and back into triple A I’d give him a shot, better him then betemit PH-ing, plus he is a decent glove.. better him then Ben
Broussard outta Scranton also..
I vote no.
I heard on XM yesterday that last year he was called into the managers office as he was upset why the fans were booing him in Seattle and he didnt understand. They sat him downto explain that hello he was hitting 200 , stiking out all over the place etc.
Then a few weeks later when they sat him down on the bench. He asked the manager why he was sitting as he didnt undderstand. The manager had to tell him that he was hitting only 200 and not getting on base.
The announcers said it just looks like he isnt interested that much anymore.
David Wright makes the team what about Pat the Bat, he is an outfielder.!!!
100% agree…it has worked so far with Ponson….ROLL THE DICE !
Another big swing and miss guy who helps keep the opposing pitcher’s pitch count down. Just what we need.
Can Sexsy play the outfield still?
Sexson is exactly the kind of player the Yankees need to avoid at this point. They can’t get hits with runners in scoring position so they should sign a guy who is amongst the world leaders in strike outs? They lack team speed and athleticism so they should sign a big lumbering dope? The dynasty Yankees teams relied on getting men on base, timely hitting, and solid fundamental baseball, not sitting around waiting for the 3 run homer. Sexson is the type of player who strikes out three times then jacks one, if you are lucky. I don’t think this is the kind of guy the Yankees lineup needs right now. Further, look at the teams that have won the World Series the last few years. Fundamentals and solid pitching and defense is what is winning, not sluggers who strike out more often than not.
By the “why not try it logic” why don’t they sign Bonds? At least he doesn’t strike out as much.
I think the Yanks should bring Sexson in. The only problem I see is the lack of flexibility on the roster caused by Posada’s inability to throw. If the Yanks attempt to option Chad Moeller to Scranton, he will have to clear waivors and they could lose him. That being said, Christian and Gardner have options left. If only Sexson was a catcher that could throw, rather than first baseman!
I’d take a shot, though I’d rather find a right-handed hitting outfielder.
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3483191&categoryId=2521705&n8pe6c=2
He’s a .265 career hitter against lefties and his defense, while vastly superior to Giambi’s, isn’t so good that you have to have him. He’s not a right handed Minky. He’s not close.
Of course the price is right. Probably getting what you pay for though.
Take a look at Sexson’s number this year and compare them to Tony Clark in 2004 and that is the kind of production we can expect.
We need a legit, right-handed power bat off the bench who can actually play 1B. Sexson has always been a strong defender at 1B, something we definitely still need as evidence by Posada playing there last night.
Sexson can fill the role Shelley Duncan was supposed to fill, and even though he wont be the clubhouse presence TC was, he might get hit some big homers and play a stellar 1B along the way.
Definitely worth a flier.
What are you going to lose by signing him? Space on the roster spot for some guy who never plays? It’s not like you have to give up prospects or $$... I say sign him and release him after a few weeks if he’s no good..
By the “why not try it logic†why don’t they sign Bonds? At least he doesn’t strike out as much.
Because he’s 45 post steroids, injury prone and media disaster. Can you picture the daily rants about Andy, Giambi, Clemens and Bonds… No Thanks.
“In the latest episode of Manny Being Manny….”
Harmless stuff.
Better than Manny being Manson and shoving old folks around.
The numbers you mention are in 61 at bats. Not very indicative of anything.
Three year splits: 365 ABs: .374/.507
Not bad. In a tough park (of course, Yankee Stadium is a tough park for righties, too)
Away splits, 3 seasons: .349/.491
Again, not bad for a bench player. Seems like he would make a suitable platoon 1B, if the Yankees can free up the roster spot. I guess Posada can’t throw at all, is that it?
So David Wright makes it?! Good for him.
Why couldn’t Giambi replace Ortiz?!!!!
Mike and Dog were annoying before but this giggling lovefest is making me nauseus.
he’s hitting .123 with RISP
Seattle office of the Lo Hud blog here- I get the pleasure of watching the Mariners every night- Sexson has hit two homeruns in the past six weeks, he developed an open stance that has taken away a lot of his power- last year his splits against lefties were .238/.333/.419- this is a player that has been lost for over a year and a half. That being said, I agree that he would provide better D than Duncan or Betemit at first and better numbers- unlike Betemit or Duncan, he can’t play any other position.
As far as his attitude- if I am a player, I want to play every day period. You have no idea just how dysfunctional the front office and management is in Seattle- Bavasi, before he was fire, made all the players sit in front of their lockers like school children and explain to the media why they sucked- Sexson had enough of it and left. I would have too- it was a lame-o ploy by Bavasi to try to save his own job.
As far as Riggleman sitting him- dude, he was sat so Miguel Cairo and Jose Vidro could play first- I’d be upset too. What is crazy is that everyone out here knows Sexson sucks, but if you are going to release a guy, why replace him with someone who sucks more? That is what Seattle has done.
So, they released the one guy who had home run power (Sexson still has 10 homers in half a season) and replaced him with a singles hitting DH that has a .200 average and can’t run.
I say sign him- get rid of one of the catchers- and give him a shot- he is a good guy, works hard and was understandably upset by his own lack of performance and by the dysfunction that is the Seattle Mariners.
By the way, that would make the third Mariners first baseman the Yankees have acquired in just over 10 years- Tino, Olerud, Sexson.
1/17 with a runner on second
I understand the logjam of OF/1B/DH types perfectly (and think it’s in the top three problems with this team), but I don’t see why we can’t give the guy a chance. we’re giving Ben F’n Broussard a chance in AAA.
i get the need for a third catcher, and I get that Chris Stewart did about as well as my grandmother would have that one game he caught Hughes, but I think we’re overvaluing Chad Moeller a bit too much here. That’s the roster spot that could go to a bat with some pop.
Aaaah. Who cares? I want a win tonight!
But if you bring him in, don’t send Moeller down. He’s insurance that we hopefully won’t need. Send one of the speedy outfielders back.
I hope that Jorge’s not too steamed. He really has to look at the big picture. I wouldn’t mind him handling Joba tonight. He won’t be shaken off that easily. Just keep Rios off the bases.
I heard Wells went on the DL, who else is their big bat?
Oh god com’on Fatcessa ! Cano for Sanchez or Cain God No !
Kennedy and Melky for Sanchez.
Regarding Posada’s comment that “I am a catcher, I am not a 1B/DH”, my answer is show what you say is correct. Nobody is entitled to any thing, especially when the team is sturggling. Do not live in the past. Prove you can catch and stop the running game at least reasonbly then we will beleive you are a catcher.
Sure, he may be a good fit on the Yankee bench but do you really think Sexson is willing to sign on anywhere to be a part-time player?
“he’s hitting .123 with RISP”
He should fit in nicely then.
And the Arroyo love returns!
Bryan,
If it were true, that he would strike out 3 times and then jack one, he’d quickly become the greatest player in the history of the game.
Try not to fixate on (lack of) speed or strikeouts, especially in a first baseman. They ain’t the devils you believe them to be.
“By the “why not try it logic†why don’t they sign Bonds? At least he doesn’t strike out as much.”
He won’t be ready for a bit. Can’t play the field. If Matsui does, indeed, come back, then there’s really no roster spot for both of them.
Sexson could start playing right now and, if he sucks, they can cut him when Matsui or Damon is ready to come off the DL.
For you older folks out there, Sexson is Dave Kingman without the personality.
Someone said above he would be better then Shelly Duncan. Wrong, he is no better then Shelly Duncan, that is the problem with him. If Shelly could make contact more, he would still be with the Yanks. The same goes for Sexson and the M’s.
“Kennedy and Melky for Sanchez.”
That’s a dial tone, San Francisco style, you’re hearing after floating that proposal.
“The dynasty Yankees teams relied on getting men on base, timely hitting, and solid fundamental baseball, not sitting around waiting for the 3 run homer.”
Team Hrs:
98 – 206
99 – 193
00 – 205
To put this in perspective last year when they led the league in runs scored they had 201 HR’s. The dynasty teams may not have been sitting around waiting on the 3 run HR but it wasn’t like they had a team of Juan Pierre’s out there either.
Joe23- Unlike Bonds, Sexson hasn’t been indicted.
That’s a dial tone, San Francisco style, you’re hearing after floating that proposal.
(redial) I’ll throw in Matsui.
“Sure, he may be a good fit on the Yankee bench but do you really think Sexson is willing to sign on anywhere to be a part-time player?”
If someone else is willing to give him a full-time shot, aces. Let him walk. I figure he should be happy to have a job and maybe a shot at post-season play.
I would do Cano for Sanchez and Cain in a heartbeat. Cano for either of them would seem more appropriate. What kind of crazy rumor is that?
“Someone said above he would be better then Shelly Duncan. Wrong, he is no better then Shelly Duncan, that is the problem with him.”
Tell me their splits against lefties over the last three years in the big leagues, please.
Everyone keeps talking about the logjam at first base and DH- what log jam? We have one first baseman- Giambi and Betemit on the bench. Jorge, despite having played 12 games in his career at first, in not a first baseman. Matsui is on the DL, lord knows if his knee will hold up, Damon is on the DL, who knows when he’ll be ready- so you sign a dude to the league minimum, sit him on the bench to fill in occasionally at first or against lefties- not a big deal. If/when Matsui gets back or if he sucks terribly, you cut him with minimal loss.
No one is talking about making Sexson the NYY starting 1st baseman
He can’t be stashed in Scranton?
Don’t you mean ‘stached?
“Cano for either of them would seem more appropriate.”
They can’t score any runs, and you’re trading away offense? I know he’s been struggling, but they still need to score to win.
mel
Not many big bats but Rios and Stairs always seem to hurt us. Yanks problems will probably be more about scoring runs more than preventing them. Same story, different day.
RustyJohn, you’re right. I’ve been told there is a logjam for so long, I took it for granted. There isn’t a single true first baseman on this roster at all (closest thing being Giambi).
Not sure Sexson changes that statement, though.
I would do Cano for Sanchez and Cain in a heartbeat. Cano for either of them would seem more appropriate. What kind of crazy rumor is that?
I wouldn’t trade Cano for either of them. Just shows you in the offseason Matsui would have landed them Noah Lowry and Jonathan Sanchez people here were telling me No why do this type of a deal blah blah blah yeh that 94-95 mph from Sanchez into the 5 inning doesn’t look bad now does it ?
Whozat,
So you are trying to say that Shelly did the job when he was up earlier this year and the Yanks had no business sending him down?
If he is so good, why, when they needed a right handed bat did they call up Christian a few weeks ago (the first time, not the latest).
whozat,
I’m trading offense if they are giving me two front-line starters! Sanchez and Cain are both #1 types—that rumor is obviously total nonsense, probably a creation of Russo’s.
pat,
True. But going against conventional wisdom, we’ll probably win. The Yankees of recent years struggle with the scrubs and do surprisingly well against the aces. Maybe cuz we don’t have one.
Who says the Yankees could’ve had Lowry AND Sanchez for Matsui? I never heard that rumor before.
I must be reading the wrong blogs.
“Just shows you in the offseason Matsui would have landed them Noah Lowry and Jonathan Sanchez”
Brandon…Sanchez was NEVER available in that deal. You WANTED that to be true and we told you that he’s yet another hard thrower who has no idea where the ball is going. But that deal was never, ever on the table.
“So you are trying to say that Shelly did the job when he was up earlier this year and the Yanks had no business sending him down?”
That’s not at all what I’m saying. I’ve been saying for weeks that Sexson may be worth a shot if he doesn’t cost anything. My point was that Sexson HAS hit big league lefties well. Shelley hasn’t hit anyone outside of spring training and the first week of his callup last year.
Raymagnetic: They could have both hit a lot of home runs AND not relied on them to win ballgames. I’m sure you remember those years well.
Rustyjohn: Damon, Matsui, Abreu, Giambi, Posada….all guys not healthy enough to play their regular positions and need a supposed respite by being the DH or playing 1st occasionally. that’s more than a logjam. that’s a clogged artery.
The Yankees are currently slugging .391 vs. lefties. Sexson may be a one trick pony, but his trick is something we need. I’d take a flyer on him.
All I know is Matsui in the offseason would have landed Jonathan Sanchez and Noah Lowry but this BS about losing Matsui would hurt the Yankees from the fanbase because he’s clutch my god the guy is in his 30’s and nearly broken down selling would have been wise but instead we kept him and he is a maybe right now to finish the season.
But he’s so tall Pete!!!!
Signing Sexson is a complete no-brainer. I don’t know if anyone’s noticed, but we have no bench.
Sexson is essentially free, and Matsui and Damon are out for who knows how long. Gardner and Christian can’t hit. We have no offense anywhere in the minors that’s ready to help now. Sexson wouldn’t cost some deserving young kid ABs.
There’s plenty of room on this roster for him. Everybody thinks Moeller has to stay up for insurance if Posada can’t play. Last I heard, “insurance” is supposed to compensate you for the loss of what is insured. Moeller can’t do that – if Jorge can’t play, the Yanks are sunk, dead, kaput.
There’s no point wasting a roster spot for that kind of insurance.
Sign Sexson. The Yank’s season is coming down to a roll of the dice anyway.
“They can’t score any runs, and you’re trading away offense? I know he’s been struggling, but they still need to score to win.”
He WAS struggling. He ain’t no more.
“I would do Cano for Sanchez and Cain in a heartbeat. Cano for either of them would seem more appropriate. What kind of crazy rumor is that?”
Both? I do that if I can get a replacement 2B.
Either? No way.
Everyone talks about Posada’s arm and the running game, but does anyone notice that he has alot of passed balls this year and i think pitchers’ era is almost 1 run higher with posada than molina. Posada just hasn’t looked very good behind the plate this year.
Brandon…Sanchez was NEVER available in that deal. You WANTED that to be true and we told you that he’s yet another hard thrower who has no idea where the ball is going. But that deal was never, ever on the table.
Whozat Sanchez definitely was in that deal it was an either or w/ Lowry or him, then around December the Giants decided they would do it the Yankees closed off the negotiations they wanted Brian Wilson SF said no.
What about Rich Aurelia as a fill-in 1B occasional RH DH/pinch hitter? He’s a solid ball player, used to playing part time and wouldn’t cost much in cash or prospects?
“Raymagnetic: They could have both hit a lot of home runs AND not relied on them to win ballgames. I’m sure you remember those years well.”
There’s a myth that the dynasty teams weren’t a HR hitting team when in truth they were. They averaged 200 HR’s a year so I would say that the offense was relying on the HR to score.
mel
Ah the Ace Envy defense. Its being reported the Jays will be starting all bullpen pitchers on Sunday beginning with Tallet.
Cano for Sanchez is crazy. He struggled for a long time this year, but he’s been heating up and will go on his usual second half tear.
Sanchez has been solid while pitching in AAAA, but he’s no lock to be an ace, which is what you need to give up Cano. Good 2Bs (esp. offensive 2Bs) are very hard to find.
I definitely take a flier on Sexson. The weight of the contract he signed in Seattle is now off him. He’s not the hometown kid who came home and took the team for all the money, he’s a role player now looking for a fit.
I would much rather see Sexson playing 1b than Betemit.
This offense is so inconsistent we have to try ANYTHING to get production.
The thing about Sexson is his numbers decline suggest PED use. That still wouldn’t stop me from signing him and giving him a look to see what he has.
This whole Moeller, Posada 3 headed catcher thing is silly now.
This team needs help and options. If Sexson comes here and fails, so be it. But if he comes here and rakes a few lefties and hits a few important homers, you’re all gonna love him.
I do it. I also would bring Bonds in, but I know that’s just horrible for any fan to suggest. After all, it’s not like we have any players on our team currently who were cut from other teams for bad behavior, used PED’s or bring the kind of circus Bonds does…right?
“There’s a myth that the dynasty teams weren’t a HR hitting team when in truth they were. They averaged 200 HR’s a year so I would say that the offense was relying on the HR to score.”
I probably watched every game. They had their fundamentals down better, they brought that runner home from second when it counted, had the hit-and-run going, took the pitchers deep, all those things these guys don’t have now.
Yes, they averaged 200 home runs. That was not the only trick in their arsenal. Put those numbers away and think back.
OK, maybe Cano for Sanchez is crazy. My opinion of Sanchez is based on other people’s opinion.
Cano for Cain, though? Well, I am not a Cano fan. I would call that selling high.
You guys dont know anything about Richie. He strikeouts every 3 at-bats, he hits a home run every blue moon, and his fielding is terrible! Also, he wants everything his way. Also, he would make the yankees a really bad team. Whats the point of getting him, anyway? Trust me, I’m from Seattle.
Jorge-
I think you are thinking of ‘96, when the Yankees very methodically scored 4 runs every game. ‘98‘00 just bludgeoned everything in their path, and fundamentals had nothing to do with it.Cano for Cain, though? Well, I am not a Cano fan. I would call that selling high.
I’d call that a ripoff by Sabean. If it’s Sanchez,Hinshaw and Cain I’d probably think about doing it. Other than that——->
Ok, I’m sorry, but if the Yankees can’t figure out a way to score runs with the lineup they have, they don’t deserve to be in the playoffs.
It makes no sense to bring in a guy like Sexson. 1B is as good as it needs to be.
Why don’t we focus on real present needs and come to terms with the fact that beyond Pettitte, Moose, and Joba, our starters are overachieving (Ponson for instance).
I might even balk at Cano for Lincecum. Screw Sanchez and Cain
“Jorge–I think you are thinking of ‘96, when the Yankees very methodically scored 4 runs every game. ‘98-’00 just bludgeoned everything in their path, and fundamentals had nothing to do with it.”
No. I’m thinking of ‘96-’00. quit the stinkin’ hyperbole, all of you. really. either root for the team you’ve got or choose a new one.
You guys dont know anything about Richie. He strikeouts every 3 at-bats, he hits a home run every blue moon, and his fielding is terrible! Also, he wants everything his way. Also, he would make the yankees a really bad team. Whats the point of getting him, anyway? Trust me, I’m from Seattle.
He also curses and spits his gum out, and is fat, eats alot of peanut butter w/ ice cream. See how easy that is ?
Sexson (2008) vs LHP .344/.423/.623
9.18 RFg, .997 FPCT
He has 76 SO and 63 are vs RHP…so that means he can hit LHP better than RHP.
“Ok, I’m sorry, but if the Yankees can’t figure out a way to score runs with the lineup they have, they don’t deserve to be in the playoffs.”
Let’s see…Cabrera, Molina, Gardner.
John McGraw couldn’t figure out how to score runs with that.
“Yes, they averaged 200 home runs. That was not the only trick in their arsenal. Put those numbers away and think back.”
I didn’t say it was their only trick in their arsenal, but how many less runs would they have scored if they averaged 40 less HR’s?
They may have had their fundamentals down better but it doesn’t mean they didn’t also rely heavily on the long ball to score runs.
I might even balk at Cano for Lincecum. Screw Sanchez and Cain
I’d ship his as* so quick
Sexson is nothing special as a defender. He’s a slight upgrade over Giambi but he’s still below average. So many fans get on Betemit for striking out, imagine how bad it would be with Sexson.
Maybe Brandon, but only if SF includes Threets.
Maybe Brandon, but only if SF includes Threets.
That’s just a given
“quit the stinkin’ hyperbole, all of you. really. either root for the team you’ve got or choose a new one.”
I don’t know what this means. I thought the typical hyperbole was, you know, winning with fundamentals and not “waiting for the three run homer.”
But what’s more, aren’t you the one that doesn’t want to root for the team as is? Aren’t you the one calling for fundamentals, or something?
Jorge Steinbrenner:
Like the pigs in Animal Farm who changed “Four legs good, two legs bad” into “Four legs good, two legs better”, you have chagned what I originally said- which consisted of, in brief, what log jam at first/dh- evey one is injured, and then concluded with if those players who are injured get better and return, you can cut Sexson at minimal loss.
Right now, the team consists of one firstbaseman (Giambi), two sort of back-ups (Posada and Betemit) who are also the DH’s. Yes, the DH spot can be used to give the other position players a day off. But, as was stated before, no one is talking about making Sexson a full-time DH or full-time first baseman. What we are talking about is signing a guy who can occasionally fill in and provide some (in theory) pop off of the bench against lefties. That is it.
Now take several words or one sentence out of what I just said completely out of context and argue- here, I’ll start with an example…
“RustyJohn:
You said, ‘The pigs…consist of…(Posada and Betemit) who are…the DH. The other position..Sexson…talking about…a guy…to fill in.’ I can’t believe you called Jorge a pig and said Sexson is gay!”
I hope Cano rewards all you guys who completely overestimate his worth.
If the SF Giants were dumb enough to offer Cain and Sanchez, 2/5 ths of their rotation and 2 young starting pitchers together for Robinson Cano and you don’t make that trade, you’re an idiot.
But they would never make that offer. I don’t think they’d offer Cain for Cano.
Cano and his .286 OBP are not bringing you back a 23 year old starting pitcher who K’s a guy per inning.
He’s one of the main reasons our offense stinks. The fact that you can’t bat him higher than 6th or he comes apart as a hitter is troubling.
Answer me this if Cano is so great—Why isn’t Girardi batting him higher in the order?
Come up with a good answer for that. Please, explain to me how the great Cano is our 7th place hitter in an American League lineup when Damon and Matsui are on the DL and Jorge is a shell of himself offensively.
I just want to know how this 2b who you think is worth more than Cain and Sanchez put together, can’t somehow hit in a run producing spot of our lineup.
Maybe it’s because he’s not the all world talent some of you make him out to be. No?
Aren’t the Yanks keeping Moeller around because they still know Posada won’t be 100% for the entire year? Because he’d have to clear waivers again, aren’t they afraid to lose him? From what I hear, Cervelli is starting to come back, but is nowhere near ready…I do believe Sexson is more versatile than Duncan, and could be the power-bat “threat” off the bench they need…who knows? Worth a shot at the minimum.
MLB traderumors have a false statement on thier header
Yankees Considering Sexson?
No the fans are considering him. Not the exact Yankee team execs.
Sexson isn’t really a lefty masher. His numbers vs. LHP this year are a mirage.
His career splits are almost identical.
vs.RHP .260/.336/.507
vs.LHP .265/.369/.510
Yankee Killer Alex Rios won’t be playing, this from Joel Sherman’s blog…
The Yanks are playing a Blue Jay team this weekend without two-thirds of its usual outfield. Vernon Wells is out at least a month with a hamstring injury and Alex Rios left the team to be with his girlfriend for the birth of his child. So the Blue Jays outfield will have Brad Wilkerson in center, Matt Stairs in left and Adam Lind in right.
“Yankee Killer Alex Rios won’t be playing, this from Joel Sherman’s blog…”
The Yankees really should sweep this series. Tonight’s game figures to be the most difficult matchup but they really should sweep.
Kermit,
That’s disingenuous, because if he were living up to his career numbers, he wouldn’t be available for $180K.
In the past three seasons, where he has been, overall, horribly, he has been passable against LHP. That is much more indicative of what is to come next.
Also, .369 way > .336
That OF is still better than whatever the Yankees are trotting out there.
I would take Abreu, Gardner and Melky over Wilkerson, Stairs and Lind any day. Especially defensively.
If the Giants offered Cain for Cano, Id prob do it. his numbers dont indicate the type of horse he can be in a rotation.
he’s young, he’s cost controlled (cheap), and he can be a front of the rotation guy.
thats the type of player you CAN move Cano for and not be embarrassed you got pwned.
With the pathetic lineup the Yankees send out against lefties, you have to give Sexson a shot here. But knowing Cashman the idiot, he will probably pass on signing Sexson.
G. Love – your 3:06 post is idiotic.
Do you know why?
Cano isn’t struggling anymore. He was, yes. But he isn’t, anymore.
You can use season averages, but those season averages don’t tell you who he
isas of today.He’s one of the best defensive 2Bs in the game (2nd to Ellis in the AL). He’s very streaky offensively, but has talent.
Now, of course, if the Giants were to offer Cain+Sanchez, or Lincecum, hell yes I’d take that.
“In the past three seasons, where he has been, overall, horribly, he has been passable against LHP. That is much more indicative of what is to come next.”
I’m seeing some mediocre numbers vs. LHP in ‘06 and ‘07.
.204/.325/.438
.238/.333/.419
it’s funny how some people are refering to cain and sanchez and some are refering to cain or sanchez…
The Giants are not trading Cain and Sanchez together for Cano. It will never happen. It wouldn’t even happen in a mediocre fantasy league.
The Giants are not trading Cain and Sanchez together for Cano. It will never happen. It wouldn’t even happen in a mediocre fantasy league.
Then Robi goes nowhere
“it’s funny how some people are refering to cain and sanchez and some are refering to cain or sanchez…”
well, like Bryan said, its unrealistic to think that the Giants would send both pitchers together. thats not going to happen.
pete are you really suggesting that the yanks platoon a guy (giambi) with a .950 ops against lefthanders?
people get so thrown off by batting averages. his obp against lefties is .395. how is that something you want to sit?
Well, the 70 PAs this year count, too.
Three year splits: 365 ABs: .374/.507
Right at the career norms. I guess he has only come to suck vs RHP.
Look, I think he would probably be a fair right-handed hitting platoon partner. That’s the sort of thing you go for provided:
1. he isn’t blocking a prospect, and
2. he’s cheap
no, Giambi must play everyday. But vs LHP, Posada must catch, and Sexson can have his shot at 1B with Giambi DHing.
I don’t think he really meant a platoon. Against lefties, presumably Giambi would DH.
“You can use season averages, but those season averages don’t tell you who he
isas of today.”You can make stats do what you need. Who is he??? Is he something other than the 5 for his last 21 he’s put up??? Is he something other than a guy who has TWO walks in his last 140+ plate apeearances???? His slugging percentage in July is lower than it was in June which in turn was lower than his May slugging percentage.
Funny how we fans like to use OBP and OPS when singing the praises of Giambi, yet when it doesn’t work for Cano (and it doesn’t – his July OPS is lower than his May OPS), it goes ignored.
id rather run sexson out there over betemit any day.
Well, I can’t argue with that, Matt.
I just believe that Sexon’s washed up.
sexson might be a nice ruben sierra type guy off the bench. rather have him there than moeller or christian
“The Yankees really should sweep this series. Tonight’s game figures to be the most difficult matchup but they really should sweep.”
Jays are throwing a much better pitcher than RAAAAsner, but Litsch is throwing at a far tougher lineup.
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I was just pointing out how it seemed like 2 different conversations disguised as 1. Personally, I’d have a hard time believing ANY team would part with 2/5 of their starting rotation, contenders or not.
y not, he costs nothing
also this lineup needs all the help they can get against lefties
.344 w. 5 hr in 34 games
For the league minimum….why not give him a look. This is a guy that USED to smack 40 dongs a year and is still just 33 years old. Consider you can get him for virtually nothing, he’s at worst a better righty bat off the bench than Bettemit.
Sexon signing at minimum wage OK, but would rather have a more versatile right handed hitter-Like Xavier Nady, who can play outfield also.
Really could use a Mark DeRosa type who hits plays solid defense at multiple positions, so that we can dump Betemit.
Now that Posada is moving back to catcher, Moeller is gone.
Giants have said they are NOT trading their three core young starters-Licecum, Cain and Sanchez- so Cano for one of them is a non-issue.
We have 3 games against Toronto, Oakland, Minnesota, Boston, Baltimore and 1 game on the 31st with Angels. 10 of 16 games are at home. If we play only .500, I suspect we wont be making any significant trades, but looking to unload FAs to teams in contention.
Why Hughes with a fx rib can’t be ready until September, is a little skeptical. When injured, he’s been out more than one would expect. Damon should be back soon as should Bruney. Matsui might come back soon, but I suspect if he needs his knee drained multiple times that he’ll be scoped and out at least 4-6 weeks.
Interestingly Pavano might be ready soon! Good grief!!
And Wang-who knows with the injury to his foot?
Is Wang’s foot injury worse than that of Bruney? Wasn’t it the same injury? Or is Wang’s just more severe?
If Cashman doesn’t work a deal for a solid RH hitter by the end of 7/31, then settle for Sexson and call up Gonzo to replace Betemit who has no future with the Yankees.
Sexson can be had on the cheap and wouldn’t be in 2009 plans.
Someone Else, was this a joke?
“He’s one of the best defensive 2Bs in the game (2nd to Ellis in the AL). He’s very streaky offensively, but has talent”
Not arguing with sayig Cano has talent. I think he has improved defensivley, but that statement is ridiculous. Ellis is a servicable second baseman. That is what Cano has been as well. Usually his hitting is so good you take what he can give you on the field. I like the defense Cano has shown this year and I hope his offense continues to improve. I’m a Cano fan too but let’s see him for what he really is.
On to the actual topic of the post. Why not take a flyer on Sexon? I don’t think he can take a back up outfielder’s spot right now. It would have to be Moeller. The catcher situation needs to be sorted out.
What ever happened to 38 yo Scott Hatteberg? Is he injured- hit .310 with .394 OBP with Reds last year and was released after 34 games this year. He does hit lefthanded
Seattle fan here…Sexson is one of the worst defensive 1B in the league and he has the bat speed of a 80 year old man. If you think signing him to a contract is a good idea, I have a Jose Vidro to sell you too.
Jon
Bruney been out since April 24th, which will be around 3 months till he’s back with the Yankees.
Wang out with same injury to push off foot since June 16th, which if recovery is the same that brings him back around middle of September, or not at all if we’re out of the race.
I see no reasons to pass on Sexson if he wants to play here. Only play him against lefties and drop Moeller or Christian. We don’t have any chemistry to ruin or youngsters to block. Betemit can’t hit lefties and is no whiz at 1b anyways. Worst case is he stinks and we dump him, just like Ponson. Sierra, Justice, Canseco and Glenallen Hill all seemed to find some spark once they got to NY.
For those that called Cain “a horse” this year, wrong….he’s pitching in a pitcher’s league, in a pitcher’s league, in a pitcher’s park. He had a 4.30 ERA starting today. He’s hardly been a horse. He’s barely qualifying as a Shetland pony. No way does he bring a Robinson Cano. If you haven’t noticed, pitching hasn’t been the big problem. Offense has. He provides offense and defense. Nobody turns a faster DP than Cano, and nobody goes to his left and right equally and throws chest high strikes to first base from every angle.
Why not take Sexson? He hits lefties better than what we have to offer now. Yes he does strike out alot, but he can play D and look at the “RIGHTY” lineup we are sending up there right now. That mess last night was so disheartening. I would love to have had Sexson striking out last night at least I would have been thinking he might also hit one a mile at any time. He could have also made The play at first that Jorge missed. It would be unthinkable to miss out on Sexson. A fresh start might give his supposed “slow bat” new life.
change one of the “pitcher’s league” to “pitcher’s division”.
Part of the problem is also carrying 13 pitchers. That shouldn’t be necessary – let Giese be a long man, option Traber or DFA Hawkins. Traber hasn’t pitched in 6 days, Hawkins and Giese in 7. There’s your spot.
The problem with replacing Christian with Sexson – no backup OF.
I too would prefer a better option, and for me that’s Nady. I know it means trading someone. Pitt would want pitching, and maybe a 3B. But Nady’s no A-lister – this is also a salary dump for Pitt from a surplus position. By my count we have 16 starting pitchers in the top 4 minors levels age 23 through 25, including those on the DL that have pitched this year. Hughes is not on that list. Current DL’s could be included as PTBNs. Almost all have performed fairly well to very well. And we have more RRP’s than you can shake a stick at. How much is enough? I can’t believe we can’t survive without some of them. Sure the cost might be higher than we think is justified – then don’t do the deal and look elsewhere. Likely only 2 – 4 of these guys are going to see significant time in NY in the next 3 years. That leaves 12 unused arms. Almost every one is better than what Pitt’s got coming. I’d prefer IPK and McCutchen weren’t involved, but let’s hear some ideas.
Not No, No, a 1,000 times NO. Brandon. LOL.
I don’t know the answer to this question, and their obviously has to be one: where is Bobby Kielty? Did he have some sort of horrible injury, or is he playing somewhere where it is hard to notice (say, Washington or something). In December, I was thinking he was a perfect fit for the Yankees: both OF corners, first base, and center field in a pinch, plus a switch hitter that crushes LHP. Where is the guy?
I believe that Kielty is a minor league sox player now. Apparently they had the same thought as you.
I forgot about carrying 13 pitchers. It seems that the pen has settled some now and it might be necessary anymore.
The way I see it is that he could help alot…when some body knows they are not needed and not usefull some might just stop trying…but I believe since being release by his club he might want to prove to everyone that he is not washed up and usefull to someone plus he was benched for Cairo…he will be a good sign
I am not a Yankee fan, but unlike my Mariners, I do consider the Yanks an actual major league team. If they pick up Richie that will change. He is an above average first baseman. He is a horrible hitter, horrible. His strike out ratio is painful, he is slower than your average glacier sliding down a mountain and when he swings and misses, he misses by three feet. He is NOT a hard worker, other than that he is really productive. I follow baseball a lot, this guy makes Dave Kingman look like Pet Rose. Why would any good fans even want to have to watch this guy? Trust me. You would be better off signing Bill Buckner.
You know what, everyone and his sister said to dump giambi he sucks blah blah blah, I say sign this guy to a reazonable contract play him at first against leftys and bring off the bench when needed he can play the outfield and he still has pop (11hr).