Game 95: Yankees at Blue Jays
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YANKEES (50-44)
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Betemit 1B
Gardner LF
Pettitte LHP
BLUE JAYS (46-48)
Inglett CF
Eckstein DH
Overbay 1B
Barajas C
Mench RF
Rolen 3B
Lind LF
Scutaro 2B
McDonald SS
Burnett RHP
Andy Pettitte (10-6, 3.93) vs. the Toronto hitters.
A.J. Burnett (9-8, 5.23) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees have won five of seven. This is the final game before the All-Star break. … Burnett is pitching on three days’ rest. … Kyle Farnsworth over his last eight appearances: 7 0 0 0 3 6. He has dropped his ERA from 4.24 to 3.51. Seven straight hitless innings? Holy cats. … A-Rod is 96 of 299 (.321) in the Rogers Centre with 31 homers and 81 RBI over 76 games. … Derek Jeter has hit in 10 straight. … Jason Giambi is 1 of his last 22 with one run scored and two RBI. He has dropped from .268 to .249. … Bobby Abreu is 5 of his last 33, dropping him down to .271.
A SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT: The Yankees were 49-46 after 95 games last season and were 7.5 games out. That crew the destroyed the AL the rest of the way, going 45-22 to finish with 94 wins. They finished in second place, two games behind Boston.
SO MUCH FOR PREDICTIONS: Remember back on June 30? I suggested the Yankees would go 8-5 over their final 13 games before the All-Star break. Many readers disagreed, suggesting the Yankees would go at least 9-4 if not better. Turns out we all overestimated the pinstripes. They’re 6-6 with one game left.
Back later with updates.
REMEMBERING MURCER UPDATE, 11:54 p.m.: The Yankees will wear a black arm band on the left sleeve of their uniforms for the rest of the year in honor of Bobby Murcer. There will be a moment of silence today and a tribute paid on Tuesday at the All-Star Game.
It’s a very tough day for the people who work for YES. Ken Singleton was sitting in the dugout this morning in tears. He and Bobby were very good friends. Fans only see the folks on air. But many of the people who work at YES were close with Bobby and his wife.
I’m not going to belabor the point so many people have made, but Bobby a genuinely nice person. Everybody says, “Hey, you how doing?” But he actually cared how you were doing.
UPDATE, 12:01 p.m.: Here is the rotation after the break:
July 18 vs. Oakland: Mussina (vs. Blanton)
July 19 vs. Oakland: Chamberlain (vs. Smith)
July 20 vs. Oakland: Pettitte (vs. Duchscherer)
July 22 vs. Minnesota: Ponson
July 23 vs. Minnesota: Rasner
The Yankees have a mandatory work out on Friday at 1 p.m. at the Stadium. The All-Stars are excused. Dave Eiland will be at the Stadium on Thursday for any pitchers who want to throw.
UPDATE, 12:29 p.m.: Here is what YES has planned today to pay tribute to Bobby Murcer:
7 p.m.: “A Celebration of the Life of Bobby Murcer”
8 p.m.: Bobby Murcer “CenterStage”
9 p.m.: Bobby Murcer “Yankeeography”
10 p.m.: “A Celebration of the Life of Bobby Murcer”
UPDATE, 1:10 p.m.: Did you see the Toronto lineup? Eckstein (1 HR) is the DH. Rod Barajas (8 HR, 28 RBI) is hitting cleanup and Mench (.210/.290/.282) is hitting fift. A.J.Burnett is tough, but yiou have to win this game.
UPDATE, 1:43 p.m.: This was around the time last season when you started to say, “Wow, they should keep Bobby Abreu.” Now you’re starting to think, “Wow, they need to get another right fielder.” He is brutal out there. Meanwhile is 5 of 34.
UPDATE, 1:48 p.m.: 4-0 Jays as Pettitte is getting shelled. Terrible performance against that kind of lineup.
UPDATE, 2:23 p.m.: The AP in Tampa is reporting that Hideki Matsui took BP again today and will soon start a running program. Girardi is hopeful of getting him back on Friday.
Meanwhile, A.J. Burnett is working on short rest and needed only 42 pitches to get through the first four innings. The only approach this team seems to have at the plate at times is to get the game over with quickly.
UPDATE, 2:47 p.m.: MLB.com is reporting that Jason Giambi turned down an invitation to participate in the Home Run Derby because he is not an All-Star.
Meanwhile the Yankees are 0 for 5 with RISP and put five runners on base in six innings against Burnett, two on infield singles and one when Posada got hit by a pitch.
UPDATE, 3:18 p.m.: I’d caution anybody who thinks the passing of Bobby Murcer has remotely anything to do with how the Yankees are playing today. Joe Girardi was pretty broken up about it as were the YES people. But the players had music on and were acting normally this morning, If anything, they were unusually loose.
The Yankees are on a pace to score 742 runs. That would be their fewest in a full season since 1992, when they went 80-82. The record eventually caught up to the offense last season. That’s not going to happen this time around unless there is some sort of complete turnaround. The Yankees are a generally listless team that plays with very little consistency. They have a bunch of guys hurt, a bunch of AAAA players on the roster and a manager and coaching staff with little experience.
Today would be the seventh shutout of the season (one fewer than all last season) and the 33rd time they will have scored two or fewer runs. That’s 35 percent of the games.
As the boys like to say, it is what it is. And what it is isn’t very good.
UPDATE, 3:40 p.m.: Just in time for Joe Girardi to say “we kept battling” the Yankees scored a run off Burnett. Now we’ll see whether they have an unlikely rally in them.
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I love batting AROD third. It gets him up in the first inning and its an in your face move when the lineup turns over.
smart move batting AROD third. Gets him up in the first inning and when the line up turns over hes right there in your face
After all this team has been through so far…
On the morning of July 13 we are 5.5 games out of first and 5 games behind in the wild card race.
It’s not over yet with this team. It’ll be an interesting summer.
Let’s just get a win today. Win it for Bobby.
looks like Sexson will be a yankee:
Under the category of “How the Mighty Have Fallen,” Richie Sexson, who only three years ago drove in 121 runs, was released by the Mariners this past week with $14 million owed to him for this season, and replaced in right field by, of all people, ex-Yankee and Met utility man Miguel Cairo. If anyone symbolized what a total mess the Mariners had become under fired GM Bill Bavasi’s stewardship, it was Sexson, who was signed to a $50 million contract after that ‘05 season and had the lowest batting average in baseball (.218) and a .315 on-base percentage at the time of his release. In his four seasons with the M’s, Sexson struck out 497 times in 1,835 at-bats. They could still feel the breeze on his way out the door, and yet, in all likelihood Sexson, who did hit .344 with five homers in 61 at-bats against lefties, will be signing with the Yankees by the end of the week.
well, the scooter and murcer are calling this game from heaven …
You can’t get mad at Cashman for considering signing Sexson. It would only require the minimum and if he does not do good, cut him. Maybe he just needed a new home.
Brian Fuentes, who has stated he wants to close, has recently said he’d like to come to NY, preferably the Yankees, because he’d like to wear the pinstripes.
Let’s get him but let’s expand the deal:
We could use a right handed bat. Even though Matt Holiday’s numbers are better at Coors, he’s as close to a 5-tool player there is. The Rockies are exploring trading him, because they feel they won’t be able to resign him when he becomes a FA 2009.
Fuentes and Holliday from Colorado:
Abreu, Farnsworth, Cox, and a AA prospect.
Abreu, Farnsworth, and Fuentes become FA’s, which might be appealing to the Rockies.
What more would the Yankees have to add to the deal to make it happen?
I’m posting a comment on the Hughes story on this post. The Yanks made the big gamble on Hughes and at least so far it hasn’t worked out. He is proven to be a non player in the last two years with the Yanks and through out his career.
If you study his injuries they are all structural bone type relating to the ability of his frame to withstand the stress of pitching. It’s either mechanics or just the strength of his bones and the surrounding muscles and tendons. I haven’t heard anyone talk about he needs to change his motion or that he needs to go on a bulk up campaign so I expect that it is relates to his makeup physically.
Contrary to what Brian says these things don’t get better with time, the cumulation of injury just builds on each other, just ask Tiger. When such an established pattern exists already there isn’t much supporting evidence to suggest that it changes. Phil I’m afraid will never reach the lofty expectations that have been laid on his feet.
The Yanks already with a pitching problem could be really in a mess here next year.
27 this year July 13th, 2008 at 10:29 am
You can’t get mad at Cashman for considering signing Sexson. It would only require the minimum and if he does not do good, cut him. Maybe he just needed a new home.
With already so much to be mad at Cashman about fans don’t need anymore news to get them madder. Do you really expect him to push any of the right buttons?
Yeah POV throw in the towel on Hughes after all he is 21 yrs old and washed up….
Hell trade AJax also he is 21 and only in AA… Tabata at 19 is washed up also… Let’s trade all the young guys for more matsui and giambi types.. the old expensive declining skill guys are so much moefun to watch!!!!!!!
NEWSFLASH: Yanks minor league system is the best it has been in forever and Cashman knows what he is doing and if you have a little patiene the Yanks will be very good for a very very long time..
“What more would the Yankees have to add to the deal to make it happen?”
A lot.
I’m sorry, if the Rockies are trying to move an FA to be, instead of getting draft picks for him, why would they take two FAs to be?
POV and stuart-
Phil Hughes broke a single rib, not from trauma, and was placed on DL 4/30/08. Most of these injuries completely heal in 4-6 weeks. Why if he’s throwing now will he not be back until September. Yankees overcautious, or are they afraid he’s injury prone?
“Contrary to what Brian says these things don’t get better with time, the cumulation of injury just builds on each other,”
So the stress fracture in his rib was an inevitable consequence of a torn hammy?
Right
/sarcasm
Stuart is right on the mark with the comments about the state of the farm system. We have a very promising pipeline (especially of RHP’s) The story about Humberto Sanchez as part of a package for Fuentes indicates what will be more and more available to the Yanks as we amass trading chips.
We got Abreu and Lidle for just about nothing in a salary dump – I see us working similar deals for either Fuentes or Mahay or a Pirate (although they will want real talent in return).
Should be fun to watch.
the Hughes we saw last year was a mirage.. the dominating against Texas didn’t happen.. The gret September did not happen also.. The great performance in the playoffs against Cleveland under pressure that was a dream.
Joba having a sub 3 ERA this yr. while learning how to pitch that is a DREAM ALSO.. JOBA IS NOT UP TO THE HYPE……
Gardner 5 for 5 on SB that did not happen either.. Gardner should be hitting 350 based on most of you clowns, hell just because he is ike a 280 hitter in the minors and is 24 yrs. old if he does not hit 350, give up on him now.. RObertson looking pretty good, is not rea, he is only 6 ft tall and has no future in the bigs..
ALL Yankee prospects are over rated.. Edwars under 1 WHIP is a dream once they realize he only throws the change they will figure him out..
SCREW the patience the Yanks have no prospects like the sux, ask all the experts at nesn, espn, and on this site…
“If you study his injuries they are all structural bone type relating to the ability of his frame to withstand the stress of pitching. It’s either mechanics or just the strength of his bones and the surrounding muscles and tendons. I haven’t heard anyone talk about he needs to change his motion or that he needs to go on a bulk up campaign so I expect that it is relates to his makeup physically.”
Disagreed, entirely. His injuries are not, in general, what you call ‘pitching injuries’ (such as, say, strained forearm, problems with the shoulder, elbow, etc.). The torn hamstring and sprained ankle are generally fluky injuries, and as long as he’s in shape and doesn’t try to overextend his body (as happened with the hamstring), those are not injuries that project to be future problems.
I harbor a suspicion that the fractured ribs comes from his enhanced workout regimen.
The YANKS ARE ABSOlutely over cautios on HUghes in my opinion but since I am not a DR. I will defer to them on how best to handle the injured pitchers except on Melancon who has thrown 60 + innings, why the hell is he not getting a chance on the big stage from what I understand he is a guy who can really make a difference…
I don’t think anyone thought we’d lose two out of three to Texas.
We’ve still got a lot of season to make a move, and a lot of games against both the Sox and the Rays left.
We’re 6-6 with 1 game left before the break. .500. Is anyone really surprised? We are a .500 team this year. I don’t know why people can’t admit that to themselves.
The Yanks are in striking position for the East and the Wild Card. Should be an intersting second half of the season.
If Wang can come back in September and Hughes gets back around that time we could have a fantastic rotation with Wang, Joba, Pettite, Mussina, Hughes….. that rotation if we are still in the chase should get us in the playoffs and do some damage if our offense ever gets going on a consistant basis…. Also, We should have some great September callups during the playoff chase… That’s a real advantage to haveing a great farm system…. How many teams can call up potential impact relievers such as Melancon, Cox, and Claggett
“What more would the Yankees have to add to the deal to make it happen?”
Maybe Kennedy, Sanchez, and a couple other prospects… MAYBE
The rockies have expressed interest in both Kennedy and Sanchez…
Sam…. That would be for Holliday also right? I’m so hesitant to give up anything for Fuentes… I just don’t see him making that much of an impact on the race… He’s a decent lefty reliever but I just don’t see giving up top prospects for a guy who will not make a huge impact
“Why if he’s throwing now will he not be back until September.”
Because he hasn’t been able to work out his upper body in a month and a half. He has to basically re-start spring training.
ER… Burnett has killed us but he is on 3 days rest… That was to have some impact on his stuff especially a fragile guy like him….
You aren’t getting Holiday for Abreu… you’d have to include AJax or Tabata and Kennedy to make that deal. Can’t acquire a RF without moving Abreu and I don’t see that happening before the off season.
I agree they are being ultra-careful with Hughes, but as Stuart and PK point out, the patience in developing a number of young pitchers is on the verge of paying major dividends. I’ve written here many times about the difficult balancing act Cashman has trying to build up that youth while still being a playoff contender. I think he’s doing it quite well, despite a few mis-steps.
Stop trying to rush Melancon. He’s making great progress, but he’s not as good as what’s in the Yankees bullpen right now except for Hawkins. Let him finish the year where he is, healthy and productive and watch him climb faster in 2009.
“What more would the Yankees have to add to the deal to make it happen?”
be in the shape where a trade like that would make a difference?
wouldn’t it be nice if your screenname was “Yankee Fan” instead of “Yankee Trader?”
who’s that guy behind the plate today? i don’t recognize him.
why do the yanks need Fuentes?/ There pen is strong, they have many addtl arms in the minors.. The yanks need starters and a good right handed bat…
the reliever will replace whom? Hawkins?Trber? They are scrubs and Cox, melancon, and others are better then those guys already..
they need the rich guys to play better and a starting pitcher until hughes and wang get back……+ a good right hand hitter for corner OF or 1B…..
the non-Coors split for Holliday has already been discussed here ad nauseum. having some sense of short-term memory should also tell you that you never trade for a reliever mid-season, or even trust their stats whatsoever. even the ones that work out mid-season wind up being arrested for attempted murder in their home countries.
“Brian Fuentes, who has stated he wants to close, has recently said he’d like to come to NY, preferably the Yankees, because he’d like to wear the pinstripes.”
Bull. If he wants to close, he doesn’t want to be a Yankee. He’s hitting free agency. He want to be closing to maximize his FA contract.
ER – what do you mean by “we”
I didn’t overestimate this team either. I’m not judging them on what they do this season. I’m judging them on how they’re set up for the years to come. I would hope Pete would be doing the same. You set the mood for the fanbase. You think short-term, you’re going to get more gloom and doom trolls after every loss.
ER is a complete idiot. Ignore the troll. Pretend he doesn’t exist…because, really….he means NOTHING.
I may be in the minority, but I’m prepared to go through some losing seasons if it means will string together more in the future. Unlike a lot of you, I’ve been fairly happy with Cashman’s approach. I think that all of the moves he makes now are not only for the present, but for the future. We’ve got to think long term. That’s how you win 4 WS in 5 years.
I personally am dissapointed with the results because the pen has been way better then expected and even starting pitching has been better then the last few yrs. because of Moose(way above expectations) and Joba doing just fine.. The reason for the dissapointment is the offense has been terrible.. again they led all of baseball last yr. in basically every meaningful offensive stat and this yr. are so avg. it is a joke.. Jeter, arod, abreu, gimabi, posada,hideki, and others such as Cano have performed way below expectations and so unclutch it is a joke.. Damon is the only guy who can hang his head high in the lineup…
I know that is tough to take for all the jeter and arod worshippers but it is the truth.. IF jeter had a year like last they would have 5 more W’s…. If Arod could hit 280 with RSIP not 240 then that is 3 wins etc…..
Abreu is soft, gimabi is streaky except when it comes down to AB’s with RISP then he just is terrible and etc…
There results are down because of the terrible offense mainly by the rich guys not melky or gardner or molina, etc….
that is the facts…….
Geez good forbid that anyone says anything negative about the holy trinity of Joba, Hughes and Kennedy. One’s perspective here can never be right as many here can never be wrong.
A wise old mentor once told me don’t come and talk about what your going to do, tell me what your done. The record says that Hughes hasn’t done much in the last two years except not be able to pitch. I guess there is always next year as the Brooklyn fans used to say.
sorry but I disagree with the fact that we should not try to trade for fuentes..
I mean as long as we aren’t losing… AJAX i’m open to trading pretty much anyone besides the obvious… (Montero, Brackman.. etc.)
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3483646
From ESPN – Rivera might have a shot at the cy young this year… how awesome would that be?
“What more would the Yankees have to add to the deal to make it happen?”
Phil Hughes AND Austin Jackson
“What more would the Yankees have to add to the deal to make it happen? Maybe Kennedy, Sanchez, and a couple other prospects… MAYBE The rockies have expressed interest in both Kennedy and Sanchez…”
you know, Fuentes and Holliday would be a great move to lock up the bullpen and bring some consistency to the offense down the stretch.
there was a note i read the other day about how the Rockies were there to watch Sanchez throw in the GCL the other day. so its obvious they have some interest.
if they could parlay Ian Kennedy, Humberto Sanchez, and a couple prospects for Fuentes and Holliday, id be thrilled.
i dont think thats going to happen, though, so i wouldnt hold my breath.
i also didnt think the Yankees would go 9-4 over hte last 13 games, i said it would be a little disappointing if they didnt finish the last stretch before the ASB at less than that.
and now that they will at best go 7-6, it is disappointing, especially considering the play of the Rays this past week. this was a perfect opportunity to make up ground, and perhaps even put themselves in a position to overtake the WC lead right after the break, but instead, they pulled this “we’re good, no we’re bad, no we’re good again” inconsistent routine, and its been a detriment to their overall goal.
i think, for better or worse, the Yankees will be cautious buyers at the deadline. unless they are able to pick up a Holliday at the deadline, there arent any impact players available, so i dont see the main names (AJackson, Kennedy, Hughes, Melancon, Tabata) going anywhere.
but i would expect a little roster shakeup… promotions into and demotions out of the bullpen. signing the Big Sexy to upgrade the bench. maybe plug in an arm that can throw out of the back of the rotation you can trust. and, most importantly, pray the offense can return to a level of game in, game out consistecy.
but thats about it.
hmmm… 6-6 on this run – .500 – whoda thunk?
“A wise old mentor once told me don’t come and talk about what your going to do, tell me what your done.”
A wiser old mentor would learn how to spell correctly.
Looking at the career arcs of pitchers in general, we know that writing off at age 22 a guy with the kind of minor league career of Phil Hughes is idiotic. Especially when his injuries have had nothing to do with his arm, and are not chronic in nature.
It’s nice to see the comment boards recover from their grief at the death of Bobby Murcer to once again return to the propagation of agitated stupidity.
Then again, both blog commenters and die-hard sports fans are the two goups of people least likely to engage in any form of reasoned, rational debate, so this should, of course, be expected.
It would really be a shame if the Yankees kept on winning as presently constituted and some of you actually had to choose choose between rooting for your team or being peoven right.
“actually had to choose choose between ”
Woops. Didn’t mean to accidentally pull a Ralph Wiggum.
IDK what’s more frustrating the fact that other journalists and sportwriters dictate where our prospects will go to the fans or the fact the fanbase believes it.
No one said we’re trading Humberto Sanchez a beatwriter wrote an event that happens usually (newsflash alot of players are scouted by team) a Rockies scout is watching Sanchez, they can watch all they want Humberto isn’t going anywhere especially not for Brian Fuentes. Just like another example being Joel Sherman when he writes the Yankees would deal Kennedy for Fuentes.
No one has stated any fact other than the Rockies are scouting Sanchez that’s all that happened, the FO didn’t say he’s available until a quote like that is released for ex. a Yankees insider source saids the Yankees will deal Sanchez in the right deal then we can speculate, other than that there is too much infering not enough facts.
“sorry but I disagree with the fact that we should not try to trade for fuentes..
I mean as long as we aren’t losing”
As long as we aren’t losing, we should try to trade for a pending free-agent reliever? When the bullpen has been the last of our concerns for over a month? And is the one place we have good minor league depth?
If we win today, we will be 7 games over .500.
That means we have played exactly .500 ball since that win streak that put us 7 games over .500 last month.
So we could only muster a .500 record against Cincinnati (home), Pittsburgh, Mets, Texas (home), Red Sox (home), Rays (home), Toronto, over the past month…. and thats including the fact we went 4-2 vs. BOS/TB, so we went 6-9 against the rest of the bad teams we’ve faced.
Anymore proof needed that we are a .500 team?
and i’ll just add this, too… while i like Holliday as a hitter, moreso than others because of his home/away splits, i dont see him as a perfect fit for the team.
if we are to assume that Damon will be back from this shoulder injury, he’s the LF, and i dont think Holliday is good enough to shift to RF, even if you sit Abreu (which should be out of the question).
i think a lot of this boils down to who’s really injured, who’s definately coming back, etc.
if Matsui’s knee isnt good enough to play by the end of July, id send him for surgery now and make sure he’s healthy for the Spring of 2009.
if Damon’s shoulder continues to hamper his rehab, and isnt responding quick enough, then you can think about importing a true LF.
I wonder if Cashman has thought about testing the market for Abreu here at the deadline. Arizona is in the need for a veteran bat, and he’d be a decent pickup if he decided to hit again before the deadline. you tell me you could swap Abreu and a prospect or two for Conor Jackson, who can be a long term solution at 1B, and id be a happy camper.
Well said CM, I couldn’t agree you more.
“you know, Fuentes and Holliday would be a great move to lock up the bullpen and bring some consistency to the offense down the stretch.”
Aren’t you one of the people who’s been posting Holliday’s splits? Out of Coors, his bat is no better than Matsui’s. His defense is about on par with Matsui’s as well, when Godzilla was healthy. And he’d make the LF/DH logjam worse when Damon and Matsui come off the DL. Frankly, if we’re going to assume that one of the LF/DH types we have is going to be out for the year…just go sign Bonds.
As long as we aren’t losing, we should try to trade for a pending free-agent reliever? When the bullpen has been the last of our concerns for over a month? And is the one place we have good minor league depth?
Whozat everyone wants the platinum chain when all they need is a simple swiss watch. It’s amazing the depths this fan base is willing to go meanwhile the BP hasn’t been the problem and there are more than viable LH relievers like Hinshaw, like Mahay, like Affledt or Bray that wouldn’t cost as much as a Marte or Fuentes who are 1 year stop gaps.
It’s nice that TOR is allowing for a moment of silence for Bobby.
**with**
A few other things I’d like to see more out of the box thinking like Casey Blake and Rafy Perez but that’s just me, see it doesn’t end w/ Marte and Fuentes in my mind.
Stuart – I agree that a lot of the line-up has performed below expectations, but Matsui and Giambi? Matsui is hitting .323 with 7 home runs and 34 RBI’s in 251 at-bats. This is the same guy that people were talking about trading for some random middle relief guy (I would’ve been FURIOUS if we did). That’s no where near below expectations. Giambi was a finalist to make the all-star team… no one expected anything from Giambi this year and he has 18 home runs with one game left before the break with 54 RBI’s.
WHAT DOES everyone think of starting a petition against the final game being on ESPN??
The Rockies are not giving up anyone nor are the Pirates without getting value in return. Think about what those teams need…they are not just going to take our spare parts.
Think before you post, people. Think.
Forget Fuentes and Holliday. If Cashman wasn’t prepared to send prospects for the likes of Santana and CC, what makes you think he will for these two guys?
Send Betemit and Jeff Marquez to Houston for Ty Wigginton. Call up Gonzo.
Wigginton bats RH and can play all IF positions except SS. Gonzo can play all IF positions except 1st base.
“Aren’t you one of the people who’s been posting Holliday’s splits?”
no, actually im one for bringing in Holliday depsite what the strict numbers of his home/away splits indicate.
and like i said, the only way it could work would be if our other injury issues, with Damon and Matsui, dont seem to get better…
i really dont think there is any place to logically look at the offense ans day you can make a trade to improve it. players are locked in, whether it be because of contracts, or assumed ability, etc…
the only places you could look at would be at 1B or CF, and i dont anticipate that happening.
i’m only talking hypotheticals with Holliday.
the only room for real upgrade on this roster is the back of the rotation. otherwise, you just have to hope the offense comes to hit everyday. thats where this team will win or lose, and make the playoffs or not.
ESPN will ruin the broadcast. YES should be broadcasting that game.
“if they could parlay Ian Kennedy, Humberto Sanchez, and a couple prospects for Fuentes and Holliday, id be thrilled.”
We’d all be, but it will never happen. Hughes and Jackson would be the Rockies starting point.
“Forget Fuentes and Holliday. If Cashman wasn’t prepared to send prospects for the likes of Santana and CC, what makes you think he will for these two guys?”
he wont. he’s proven to be much more conservative in his player/personnel decisions since taking full control of the team.
i think most people here understand that, and are just, for discussion sake, talking in hypotheticals.
The Rockies wouldn’t send a scout to a GCL game just for grins… if they are having meaningful talks with the Yanks they will want to eyeball as many prospects as possible.
Frankly, I’d love to see Garrett Atkins in pinstripes.. he’s a 3B that could be a 1B, he’s 28, and this year his OPS vs LHP is 1.300, which is amazing. His career home/away splits are far better than most Colorado hitters.
Just continuing my tireless search for a quality RH bat under the age of 30!!!
“there are more than viable LH relievers like Hinshaw, like Mahay, like Affledt or Bray”
These guys are just more walk-prone middle relievers. I’ve never understood your fascination with bullpen arms who walk people. This has been the bugaboo of the Yankee relief corps for YEARS and you constantly advocate getting guys who would only continue this trend.
Mahay has actually controlled his walk rate this season, which is a big part of his success. It’s also really out of character for him. And he’s 37, and signed for next year. Doesn’t seem like the kind of guy that makes sense to me.
“We’d all be, but it will never happen. Hughes and Jackson would be the Rockies starting point.”
of course. thats why i said not to hold your breath.
“We’d all be, but it will never happen. Hughes and Jackson would be the Rockies starting point.â€
but, let me add, if you’re telling me that instead of Fuentes and Holliday, if you traded Hughes and Jackson for Aaron Cook and Holliday, well then you need to at least discuss it.
if you’re telling me that instead of Fuentes and Holliday, if you traded Hughes and Jackson for Aaron Cook and Holliday, well then you need to at least discuss it.
No we don’t.
You need to split up Rasner and Tub of goo. This should be obvious to Girardi/Cashman and the fact that it isn’t says a lot.
“Send Betemit and Jeff Marquez to Houston for Ty Wigginton”
please no… yes to getting rid of betemit, but if you want to use Marquez as a trade chip, you can do better then Wiggington – and at the very least should be able to get him straight up for Marquez
The yankees don’t have anyone on the all star futures game roster? Why is that… I now have no interest to watch that game.
“No we don’t.”
yeah, you do. i didnt say you pull the trigger. i didnt say youd be stupid not to do the deal.
but youve got an all star LF in his prime, under contract for at least another year and a very underrated sinker ball pitcher who’s had great success in Colorado and under contract for several more seasons at a reasonable rate (i think he just signed an extention), and you wont discuss it?
While Rasner might still be listed in the rotation, I really don’t think he is staying there. Yesterday he got off lucky because Litsch was even worse than he was.
Hinshaw is young (11 years younger than Mahay) so he would seem like a cheap lefty possibility although I would assume the SF Giants are looking for bats and not arms.
The yankees don’t have anyone on the all star futures game roster? Why is that… I now have no interest to watch that game.
The U.S. roster goes to the Jr. Olympics
It’s funny how certain events trigger deep, past memories.
“In the offseason of 1975, Murcer was traded to the San Francisco Giants for Bobby Bonds in baseball’s first-ever even swap of $100,000 superstar players”
I remember I was in my Mom’s apartment when I heard. At first it was just total disbelief. The Yankees trading Bobby? Impossible. It would be like the Yankees trading Derek Jeter, but really worse as “He was just about the only star worth watching in his first tour of duty with the downtrodden Yankees from 1965 through 1974,” sportswriter Maury Allen said in his 2004 book, “Yankees: Where Have You Gone?”.
I mean in those days, Bobby WAS the Yankees.
I called by best bud and fellow Yankee lover, Phil, who was all but in tears. We couldn’t believe it. This was such a betrayal. How could the Yankees trade Bobby Murcer? For me, fury finally turned to tears, and I wondered if I could ever follow this team again. But I guess, like it or not, one always follows the laundry.
Years later, in an act of redemption, on June 26, 1979, Murcer returned to the Yankees in a trade for Paul Semall and cash. Bobby was 33 and beginning his decline phase, but it mattered naught. Bobby was back in NY in Pinstripes. After 4 1/2 years with SF and the Cubs, Bobby again joined his best friend, and current Yankee icon, Thurman Munson, back on the green grass of Yankee stadium. Sanity was finally returned to the universe, and all was right again.
And then a day in Yankee infamy….. just 5 weeks after Bobby was united with the Yankees, on Aug. 2, Thurman Munson, the Yankee Captain and Bobby’s best friend, was killed in a tragic plane crash. Again…. disbelief… fury…. and tears.
“I still had my home in Chicago,” Murcer said. “And when we played that three-game series, Thurman and Lou [Piniella] stayed with me. [On] Saturday night, I know I went to bed very late, [and] he and Lou were still downstairs arguing about how to hit. And then we played that Sunday game and my wife and I and my children took Thurman to the airport. I never will forget that Sunday evening. It was dark, and we went down to the end of the runway, and he took off in this plane. I could not believe how powerful the plane was, and Thurman all by himself up there controlling this powerful jet.”
The Yankees flew together to Munson’s funeral in Canton the morning of August 6. People from throughout baseball, including Torre, attended as well. Murcer and Piniella delivered eulogies. Among the people interviewed here, memories of that day remain a blur.
“There was too much emotion,” Dent said. “You know, sometimes you’re there, but you’re not there? I don’t remember what all they said.”
It’s funny how certain events trigger deep, past memories. I felt and could say that night of August 6th was a ‘must win’ game, but that just isn’t a strong enough statement. While I had already followed thousands of Yankee games, this game had a feeling that was impossible to express in words. It was nuts, but somehow a loss would seem like shoveling dirt on Thurman’s grave; a win, some sort of validation, a kind of closure for a grieving Yankee family.
We talk about ‘Big’ Yankee games. We have Bantered often that ‘This’ is a big game. I had already witnessed the Bucky Dent game, and many crucial games in the Yankees last 2 post seasons. We Banterers have been through the Dynasty years full of ‘Big’ games, whether if was the Jeter flip or the Boone Bomb. But this game was way beyond that. This ‘win’ had far deeper ramifications then winning. And the idea of a loss here, just seemed unbearable.
There is a post season every year. A World Series every year. Great wins. Horrific losses. This is baseball. But this game transcended that. This game, on August 6, 1979, had emotional ramifications way beyond any game in my lifetime. In a way that is hard to express, this game was THE ‘must win’ game of all games.
My bud Phil and I often watched games together. We had been at the Stadium for the Cleveland doubleheader when Bobby hit his 4 in a row. But when we spoke that afternoon, we mutually decided we would not watch this one together. I think we were too scared. I know I was. It was too much. Expectations were way too strong. I didn’t even want to watch the game. But, I had to.
Baltimore had been our nemesis for over a decade. They had broken our hearts far too many times. In 1970, after 5 years of brutal baseball, the Yankees won an amazing 93 games. Baltimore won 108. In 1974, Baltimore was having an ‘off year’, and we flirted with 1st place much of the year. With 8 games left of the season, we were tied, each with 83 wins, 71 loses. I knew we needed to win 6 of 8 to at least tie. And miraculously, we won 6 of 8, but Baltimore won all 8, finishing 2 games ahead of us.
This 1979 Baltimore team was another great team that went on to win 102 games, fueled by a young Ken Singleton who hit 35 HRs and finished 2nd in the MVP that year.
It’s funny how certain events trigger deep, past memories. I remember the announcers talking about the tragedy of the last few days. Of that days team flight to Ohio, Of Bobby, Kay and Diane Munson crying in each others arms. Of how emotionally spent Bobby was. Of how the Yankees were going to cancel the game, but Diane insisted they play… Thurman would have wanted them to play.
So we played. A washed out Yankee team against the Yankee killing Baltimore Orioles. The ‘must win’ game of all must win games. And I didn’t want to watch.
‘Somber and weary, the Yankees made it back to New York in time for that evening’s game against Baltimore. Guidry took the mound only hours after Munson’s funeral. “Billy came to me and he said, ‘I’m not going to play you tonight, you’re just too tired.’” And I told Billy, “I just don’t feel like I should take the night off. I feel like I should be playing.”
The game was on ABC’s “Monday Night Baseball.” Keith Jackson, Howard Cosell and Don Drysdale were in the booth.
Dennis Martinez and Ron Guidry were the starters. Guidry would eventually go the whole way, in a game that was played in 2:26.
In the top of the 2nd, Lee may hit a HR to give the Birds a 1-0 lead.
In the top of the 5th, Lee May lead off with a double and eventually scored on a sac fly. Birds up 2-0.
In the top of the 6th, MVP candidate Ken Singleton hit a 2 run blast to put the Birds up, 4-0.
And I remember thinking “game over”. No redemption. There is no God. And I was literally sick to my stomach. I waned to turn off the game and cry for Thurman, and Bobby and the Yankees. But I couldn’t.
The Yankees had the heart of the order coming up next. After Bobby and Chambliss made out, Reggie walked and Nettles singled. Up came Jim Spencer in a crucial spot, only to strike out. After 6, the Yankees were down 4-0. The Yanks had only 5 hits and Bobby was 0 for 3. But what could one expect? I could barely watch the game but these guys had to play it.
In the bottom of the 7th, we put up 2 quick outs. Then Dent walked and Willie doubled him to third. And up came a weary Bobby Murcer. A single would put us back in the game. A lousy single. Was this too much to ask of Murcer? As it turns out, it was too little, as Bobby parked one deep into RF to cut the lead to 4-3. And 36,000 fans at the stadium went crazy.
Guidrey was revitalized and blew through the 8th and 9th with relative ease. In the bottom of the 9th, we had 9-1-2 coming up, with Chambliss and Reggie to follow. We have all been there. There is ‘hope’, but you are afraid to hope. Coming this close felt like a setup. To lose now would be beyond devastation. I was freaking out. I wanted to call my bud Phil, but I was afraid.
Up came Bucky Dent. He of a .240 BA and .592 OPS. But Bucky stepped up and drew a walk, bringing up Willie Randolph. Down by one and at home, everyone was looking for a sac bunt. Willie put down a decent bunt fielded by the pitcher, and FINALLY, in an act that must have been Devine, Tippy Martinez threw wild to 1B, allowing Dent to go to 3rd, with Willie ending up on 2nd.
I have to guess that Bobby hitting a HR in the 7th wasn’t enough. Whether this was to be a tragedy or a tale for the ages, the script now seemed to be written by Devine hand, for in this ‘must win’ or all must wins games, up to the plate strolled our old Yankee hero, an emotionally and physically exhausted Bobby Murcer.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....5122685731
Just wanted to say thank you for the coverage on Murcer … very painful time for the Yankee family and fans.
OK I’m not reading all of that ^^^
Westerner99-
Teams do give up players of value with little in return, to unload a contract or a player they know they’ll have trouble signing to a deal. Cashman got Abreu for practically NOTHING.
Teams that are not in the race, come the July trading deadline, want to unload high priced FA’s, that they know they will not be offering arbitration. Isn’t the maximum cut a player takes in arbitration 20%?
Futures Game about to start.
I know SJ has to be at Yankees Stadium today. It’s funny Jesus Montero got absolutely no recognition by ESPN.
TurnTwo/Brandon – I definitely talk about that deal… two prospects (Hughes and Jackson) for two proven players. Aaron Cook is pitching real well in Coors Field – 3.57 ERA and is 29. Matt Holliday is an all-star and one to the top hitters in baseball. He would give us an outstanding all-star/mvp caliber and right handed bat for the outfield. Hughes is going to be good, probably real good and Jackson who knows.. he’s in double A, he might be the next Bernie Williams but you don’t know that… but if you can trade a possible stud for a stud you have to at least talk about it
“but if you can trade a possible stud for a stud you have to at least talk about it”
thats my only point. you dont have to do it, but you at least have to talk about it.
Ok Joe T you talk about the deal I’d rather keep my CF of the future and 22 SP who could be a 1 or 2.
OldYanksFan – I envy your eloquence. Great writing.
“While Schmidt will soon fall a notch, Reggie Jackson (563), Rafael Palmeiro (569) and Harmon Killebrew (573) are safe until next season.”
Pete, you don’t think ARod could hit 26 more this year?
Odds are against — last time he hit 26+ post-AS HRs was 2002 — but he’s been close. Last 6 years post-AS HRs for Alex: 24, 16, 25, 14, 25, 30.
Where has SJ been?
How about Jason Bay as a RH bat (OF!)? Pirates will be dumping players soon.
old yanks fan: Thanks for sharing that with us.
We’ve presented all these facts and theories about why our offense isn’t producing. One unusual fact is that there are 6 teams in AL and 5 teams in the NL with sub 4.0 ERA’s.
That’s unusual, because of no DH in NL, and also because two of the AL’s best pithcers in Santana and Haren were traded to NL.
Therefore, are we facing much better pitching and stronger bullpens, plus better prepared teams that know our batter’s weaknesses? Or are we just injured and old?!
How about Jason Bay as a RH bat (OF!)? Pirates will be dumping players soon.
They’re not dumping him.
People, it isn’t ESPN that we hate. It is the freakin idiot announcers and crap we hate. Make a petition to get all the YES broadcasters on ESPN. I do not want to listen to Joe Morgan ramble on and on and on
“Make a petition to get all the YES broadcasters on ESPN.”
um, no thanks.
can i make a petition to get the SNY announcers on ESPN to do the yankees game?
i think the espn announcers are better than the yes announcers myself. especialy now that bobby’s gone.
Great writing, OYF
Newman and Cashman are at the Futures Game w/ all the rest of MLB’s GMs
We actually have 2 players in the futures game…. Jesus Montero who looks like he’s the backup catcher and the next great Yankee and Ramiro Pena who I don’t think is a big time prospect but he somehow got in there
TurnTwo…. You like the SNY announcers?
NESPN isn’t good… their announcers and everyone they put on TV to talk about baseball is rooting for the sox and they don’t even try to hide it anymore
“How about Jason Bay as a RH bat (OF!)? Pirates will be dumping players soon.
They’re not dumping him.”
Timmy Kirkjian said last night they should and probably would.
Timmy Kirkjian said last night they should and probably would.
Timmy’s not the GM and rumor has it they will sign him to an extension. I’ll see if I find that blurb.
Fernando got a GB single to RF
Jesus Montero is a great prospect, I’m switching between both games today.
Via mlbtraderumors:
Over the next 10 days, the Yankees will determine whether they are buyers or sellers. According to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, if they think they are still in it then they will target “a lefty reliever and a secondary starting pitcher.” That starting pitcher could be Eric Milton, however he’s 6 weeks away from starting. I’ll add a right handed bat to that list as the Yankees need help against lefties.
Sherman says the Rockies are interested enough in Ian Kennedy to deal Brian Fuentes for him and the Yankees will need to choose both whether they’re in it and how much they want to retain Kennedy. A cheaper option they’re considering is Damaso Marte, says the Pittsburgh Post Gazette’s Dejan Kovacevic. The fact that Marte is now closing in Pittsburgh may have either decreased his availability or increased his price tag, or both. The Cardinals, Mets, Rays and Red Sox are all in the hunt for the lefty.
Kovacevic says the Yankees are suitors for Xavier Nady as well. Nady is a career .320 hitter against lefties and has played in New York before. And then there’s Richie Sexson, who Tim discussed here, and who George A. King III of the New York Post says the Yankees could sign if/when he clears waivers this week.
A compromise of sorts could be to make a move for A.J. Burnett. The opt-out risk at the end of the year is alarming, but the Yankees could use his services this year and beyond, as well as manage his salary and the upside is still tremendous.
“Where has SJ been?”
So many Moro*ns here write so many negative and personal attack comments on SJ. Shame on them. Why should SJ be here taking all that abuse? I am sure he is reading, but not posting. Another guy I do not see posting is CB.
Sherman = BS rumors
Kovacevic = made up assumptions
King III = don’t even get me started
Let’s see if they can’t win today for Bobby.
SJ and CB most likely are at the Futures Game at Yankees Stadium
Anybody else that’s out of market being blacked out?
They want me to buy an all-star package that starts today. I know it’s only $2.95, but it’s the principle! Shameless.
Or you can, you know, strike out on three pitches.
Cashman just sounded like he was beaning at the thought of Montero reaching the ML in the future. His scouts saids he has made 50% improvement in year 1 at catcher so fingers crossed.
Okay, that guy shouting in the stands is REALLY annoying. Like, more than the cowbell.
Sounds like they aren’t sure if Montero will stay behind the plate or move to what – 1st base?
Brandon…. The guy is a beast… Saw him at Spring Training.. 1 at bat, 1 400 foot bomb
SJ44 where are you ?? we need the scoop on news and trades
Brandon- Pirates hard to trade with and will want more for the revitalized Bay then for Nady, who besides RF can play 1st.
Our negotiating stance is much better when the team knows it won’t offer arbitration to a FA and thus won’t get any draft picks, or a high priced player will become a FA in 2009, and their team won’t be able or want to afford the extension.
I’d be surprised that we can get Bay or Nady, without sacrificing our better prospects.
I think Cashman should deal, for both the future, and to keep the Yankees in the race, Knowing how many of the Yankees will be FA’s next year, and where are need will be.
In my opinion we’ll still have Damon and Matsui who should be DH’s and not be in LF. Giambi at age 37 should not be resigned.
We need a right handed bat for the outfield, because I don’t think we should resign Abreu.
We need good bench players.
We need a Mark DeRosa type who can play both infield and outfield and can hit, so we can dump Betemit.
We ideally should get a left handed starter and let Mussina walk. My guess is that August will be where he tires as usual, plus he’s been great, but still a 6 inning pitcher.
Ideally it would be nice to have a lefty in the bullpen who can get out the likes of Oritz. Edwar Ramirez can get lefties out, but is he the answer.
As bad as we’ve been playing, I really don’t think we’ll know until later in August whether we’re out of the race or not.
Does Cashman therefore make minor tweaks, and just deal with all the FA’s and position needs in the offseason?
SJ and CB are at Yankees Stadium
Burnett,
You don’t really need to impress the Yankee brass that much. They like you already. Throw us a bone or something.
Are those black armbands sewn into the uniform or are they a velcro deal?
I really meant where’s SJ in general. Haven’t seen him post in a long time.
Dexter Fowler just ran down a ball at CF that was 30 feet infront of him, damn now that is closing speed.
OYF, fantastic account. Thank you for sharing that with us!
Pete — do you think someone would want to publish OYF’s story as a reprint from the LoHud Yankees blog? Powerful stuff.
IDK mel I wish I could tell you that.
I have the futures game on and following the game on gameday.
Let’s get a win for Bobby.
Come on Andy
Jason Bay will make $7.5m in 2009, which is his CONTRACT year. His salary represents 15% of Pittsburg’s payroll. As a FA after 2009, unless he totally falls on his face, an .880+ OPS OFer is worth $13-$16m on the open market. So I deduce:
1) It is doubtful that Pittsburg can re-sign him. He would represent well over 25% of their payroll
2) While they might not be looking for a salary dump, certainly a FAIR trade would be to Pittsburg’s advantage. It’s get decent players for him or get 1 (or is it 2?) draft picks. I would propose:
Jason Bay -for- Melky, IPK, and 2 other (non-prime) A/AA pitchers.
This would give Pittsburg 4 decent players who are ALL very cheap. Melky could replace Bay in the OF (of course he’s nowhere as good, but it’s $0.5m vs $7.5M+. IPK COULD/MIGHT be a legit #4/#5 starter in 2009. Then they have 2 more young pitchers in their system.
It almost sounds like Pittsburg is getting the better deal, but the Yankees are loaded with Pitchers, have very little mature position talent on the farm, and will be losing ALL THREE of our current OFers after 2009 and 1 after this year.
Getting an impact OFer is a move BOTH for the present and the future.
“Sounds like they aren’t sure if Montero will stay behind the plate or move to what – 1st base?”
He’s a big kid. If he grows, Giambi style, no way he can be a Catcher. 1B would be the likely destination if he can’t catch.
40 HR potential from your catcher though… he’d have the -potential- to be one of the best power catchers of all time.
Potential is a fun word though. A lot of potential can go to waste.
S.A. picture and picture
Bobby Murcer didn´t deserved a single word from the TV comentators from Toronto.
If not for a sincere appreciation as a colleague, just for a mere courtesy, no matter if he belonged to another team.
A classeless act. Poor guys.
Are you on mlb.tv? Shut down your browser and restart it.
Crosetti…. What did they say?
The guy pitching for World in the futures right now makes Edwar Ramirez look like he’s jacked.
He’s seriously that skinny.
Question: Why do the Yankees need Rasner in the game against Minnesota? There seems to be a day of between the two series, so that it would be easy to throw Mussina…
did Jason just get an inf single
Good for Giambi, that’s how you bust out of slumps.
OldYanksFan, I had to read through tears a couple times, but I got through your whole post. Thanks much for that, you really captured the moment.
I find it really hard to believe that Burnett would be a Yankee. Toronto wouldn’t trade him within the division.
Joe Mauer is pretty big. If Motero is at least as good as Piazza on defense, he is a much greater asset at C then 1B.
If Giambi ends up posting a .925+OPS at the age of 36, then a ONE YEAR deal for $17m for a 37 year old Giambi doesn’t sound that bad, ESPECIALLY if we don’t sign Tex.
Tyler:
They didn´t say anything about Bobby Murcer´s passing. Just right to the game.
Edwar=jacked=alternate universe
The kid pitching for the Indians is the same size as Michel Inoa at 16
I’m sick of Posada
Wow jorge, that was totally not cool.
McCutchen missed a 3rd deck HR by 15 feet
Chris: I know. Hence my point. The pitcher’s like 6′3″, 170 or something.
I’m watching the Yankees game on picture and picture did Robi have a 3-0 count ? Now he walked
Robbie walks? Good sign.
Holy cow! That makes 3 straight games that Cano was walked.
That Rolen can really pick it at 3B.
Holy cow! That makes 3 straight games that Cano was walked.
How many angels get thier wings for that ?
Didn’t Soriano once get a standing ovation for walking?
Stupid Gold Glove 3rd basemen.
Crosetti – I heard a radio interview with Bobby, years ago. The one thing that stuck with at the time was Bobby saying that the Yankees’ organization was head and shoulders above every other.
I guess Bobby was right.
AM I THE ONLY ONE who think the JAYS are pitching BURNETT on three days rest because Riccardi wants to persuade a team to trade for him. Especially the Yankees via Hank Steinbrenner because Cashman wants no part of Burnett.
It is Cano’s time of of the year, but even then, Cano walking three games in a row is nice to see. I wouldn’t be shocked if Soriano got an ovation for walking. I realize not everyone is probably watching it, but I do love watching the Futures games.
Minor League Baseball is more fun to watch than people imagine. Evaluating talent isn’t something you have to be a scout to do.
Thanks Abreu.
Oy Andy, where has your control gone?
sw,
Thanks. It worked.
Abreu needs to be gone by the deadline, his bat does not make up for all the runs scored on his crappy fielding
Wow, Andy, can we please find the strike zone?
Yuck on that single.
Hey Sowers has struck out 2 and walked 3 Rays.
Apparently not.
Eh. Andy’s struggling and Burnett’s throwing bullets, bad feeling here.
Abreu should have had that ball, but Andy is not helping matters. The Blue Jays line-up is not a good one – Andy has got to find the plate.
And Sowers just walked Iwamura to force in a run. No hits in the inning for the Rays, just four walks.
This is rediculous. I cant believe Andy is struggling against a lineup that wouldnt be able to start on the Mariners squad. Hell the futures squad is more lethal.
“AM I THE ONLY ONE who think the JAYS are pitching BURNETT on three days rest because Riccardi wants to persuade a team to trade for him. Especially the Yankees via Hank Steinbrenner because Cashman wants no part of Burnett.”
Probably more to do with the break coming up. Burnett won’t pitch again til next Sunday.
The Rolen at bat was the most frustrating. He had him down 0-2 and then let him end up with a single after 8 more pitchers. We’ve got to be able to put these guys away.
LOL. Darling, “The best way to describe Daisuke is he’s a nibbler”
Marco Scuturo, Yankee killer. Argh.
Uh oh.
Can you believe this? This is pathetic. I guess this is why Girardi saved Dan Geise.
good going there bobby, he has made 3 terrbile plays in the last 2 games
Pathetic job by Pettitte. That’s the ballgame. I doubt we’ll even get more than 2 hits against Burnett.
This is turning very ugly in the early going. And Scutaro has always been a pesky hitter, even though he isn’t supposed to be anything special, just a guy who can wear on a pitcher at times.
Sigh. Andy’s picked up the Yankees a lot of times in his career. It’s time for the offense to come through for him.
Just please limit the damage this inning.
Not this again…
Didn’t we do this yesterday.
I hate that little midget, you have to push him off the plate he’s too comfortable
Joe from Long Island
I completely agree.
By the way, talking about cheap people, how about Toronto fans showing Alex Madonna pictures? I watched yesterday a picture of those fans, and Alex just looking at them, just moments before taking his turn at bat to hit his homer passing Mantle.
I couldn´t but remember the Jim Bouton´s book anecdote on Maris being insulted by irate fans in 1961, and some of his teammates shouting at him: “¡Come on Roger, hit him with your wallet!”
Lets hope Burnett remembers hes a 5+ era pitcher and lets us back in this game.
People… the Yankees have VERY LIITLE to sell. JD is probably the only guy we can move without getting totally beat up. But JD and Matsui are both on the DL and it is not known when either will come back. And who will play in our OF this year? And next year?
Furthermore, we are not that far out of the WC.
And Andy having one of his bad days. Could be a very loooooooong ASB.
Bobby Abreu hasn’t been the same since he hit that pitcher in the face.
4 runs in 2 innings against an AA offense. Way to come through in a big spot Pettitte.
You know, after Phil Rizzuto died, we lost that game 12-0.
Then again, Jeff Karstens was pitching…
Jesus. 53 pitches in that inning. Ouch.
Ramiro Pena has had 2 shortened season (06 & 07) because of injuries and he has struggled a little this year, but he gets this little bursts of excitement. He gets hot in streaks I think. He makes some pretty athletic plays at SS sometimes.
G 82
AB 334
R 42
H 91
2B 16
3B 5
HR 2
RBI 38
TB 123
BB 31
SO 64
SB 6
CS 5
OBP .336
SLG .368
AVG .272
OPS .704
E 14
Did you guys see that MLB asked Giambi to be in the home run derby and he said no? He said he would have done it if he were playing in the game.
Hey Betemit, isn’t Burnett on a low pitch count? Come on!
Eh. I meant 53 pitches so far.
Great job making him work Wilson
“Sigh. Andy’s picked up the Yankees a lot of times in his career. It’s time for the offense to come through for him.
Just please limit the damage this inning.”
The team has picked Andy up a couple times this year. They did manage to win the game where he gave up 10 runs to the Royals.
What is going on with the starting pitching against the BJ’s?
This period we have problems with producing runs, but this kind of horible starting pitching is getting damn right ugly.
Is Pettite waiting for after the All star game to show he’s a great second half pitcher?
Well lett’s pray for a hitting game like yesterday.
So a few days ago when Pete asked is 3-1 too much to ask for them in the last 4 games, the answer is no, if you wanted 3 losses and 1 win.
Wow. 6 pitches. Way to work up a sweat.
here comes another cg
5 pitch inning?
**sigh**
Memo to the Yankees!!
This isnt Halliday pitching!! Its o.k. to get him out of the game before the 9th inning!!
To be fair to Andy, he did pitch an absolute gem last time out. Lets just hope he keeps it at four.
Thunderfan I don’t view Ramiro Pena as high as a prospect like Tabata or Jackson, he’s there also because the SS for the world team got hurt, I still hope he improves but who knows.
I go downstairs for five minutes to grab something to eat, and I miss the enitre at bat.
Something tells me that’s not how you work a pitcher on three days’ rest.
The same nonsense as always. Yesterday, all 9 runs were driven in by 3 players, and if not for Jeter’s typical DP ball being booted, they probably lose again.
9 runs yesterday, 0 today on 1 hit and barely making the pitcher work.
If you can’t consistently score runs, you will not win games. Simple as that.
Burnett has been fairly mediocre this year. So obviously he’ll throw 8 shutout innings, giving up 3 hits. What a sh*tty team.
Wow, way to fight against a guy you know is on short rest and a pitch count. Great effort guys! :[
I view Corona higher than Pena
The Orioles are wearing black bands on their unis. Anyone know what that’s about?
There was some discussion, as usual, today about Phil Hughes being a bust…
Watching some of the Futures Game and something came to mind when I was looking over the rosters.
Of the 19 pitchers selected for the Futures game 11 are older than Phil Hughes. That’s how young and advanced Hughes is in his career.
(if you don’t count Phillip Aumont who is still technically on the roster but not playing due to injury its 11 of 18 older than hughes).
6 of the 9 US pitchers are older than Hughes. Now given how the team was selected for the U.S. Olympic team they’ve probably selected older players. Nonetheless – its remarkable that 2/3 of the U.S. pitchers are older than Hughes.
And its not just the U.S. team – 5 of the 10 World pitchers are older than Hughes – and given how many sign at age 16 or 17 that’s even more remarkable.
Puts some perspective on the notion of Hughes being a “bust.”
Hughes pitced in the Futures game 2 years ago.
There’s a lot of career left for Phil Hughes – he’s way past where even most top notch blue chip prospects are in their careers at an older age.
Pena at SS now
“So a few days ago when Pete asked is 3-1 too much to ask for them in the last 4 games…”
At that point Halliday and Burnett were not scheduled to pitch against the Yankees. But the way the Yankees bats are lately they may have been shut down by the replacement pitchers as well.
sabathia or harden wouldve been a nice addition. instead we’ve got mr. inconsistent andrew pettite, two non major leaguers in ponson and rasner, the time bomb mussina. joba the lone bright spot. come on cash. step it up.
Show me some fight Yankees..
Down 4 runs..not 40
Nicely put CB, Hughes absolutely has alot of career left.
We’re down 4-0 to a team that is batting Rod Barajas cleanup.
Hughes is nowhere near a bust yet, but he needs to figure out how to stay healthy!
Betemit and Jeter, veterans – swinging on bad first pitches. And how does Girardi tell Jeter that he’s a flippin idiot as he does the same stupid thing over and over. Does anyone play a team sport. Abreu went a 11 pitch 9th inning with Halladay, where was the Nimrod earlier. Blow this team up and start over. The attitude is horrendous.
A leadoff double, now we can go 0 for 3 with RISP this inning.
Nice start to the inning for Abreu. Yes, he has been slumping lately, but he has obviously had his moments.
Horrible AB, A-Rod!!
show me paint the house.
Crap A-Rod – move along the runners for crying out loud!
Of course, Abreu gets a lucky hustle double and A-Rod fails to even move him to 3rd base with no outs. This team is a joke in situational spots, and it costs them game after game.
How to explain Arod, really. What a POS at-bat there,
I dont know if anyone knows this question. But did they ever say when Hughes hurt himself? Was it his last appearance or was it lingering from starts before?
3 days rest people!!
no patience, they are fastball hunting and AJ is throwing sliders
36 pitches?
Through four? Are we trying to let Burnett pitch a complete game?
There’s humor in this somewhere…
This team is just pathetic and hopeless.
How &^%&^*& hard is it to move a runner?
“The Orioles are wearing black bands on their unis. Anyone know what that’s about?”
Recently deceased Jim McKay was one of the Orioles minority owners.
This is beyond pathetic. The Yankees continue to get themselves out vs Burnett and his 5 ERA. How many years has this been going on now? It’s like when they see his name on the sched. they are defeated before they even step in the batters box. I know he’s a good pitcher but his ERA is over 5, someones hitting him! And today when he has an easily exploitable weakness, it makes it extra inexcusable for them to roll over for him the way they are.
Well … crap.
I second that emotion CB –
Too many snap judgements on Phil when he has a huge career ahead of him.
Maybe they are too grief stricken to play.
Hey it could always be worse. We could be facing a real lineup today instead of someone’s B lineup!
Seriously this is where we have to be smart enough to separate lack of hitting from not hitting a very good pitcher.
Today the problem is with the pitching so far.
Anyway, great pitcher or mediocre pitcher, the Yankees are very streaky in their hitting. That makes it harder of course.
Happy to hear Ras still has him number 5 spot and Sidney has the 4, which he has earned at this point. BBB and I will both be happy if we see Chad Moeller behind the dish when Ras gets his next start.
Cano rolled over again, down and away pitch grounder to 1B. 42 pitches in 4 innings. There is nothing to say that hasn’t been said many times before.
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2 seats right behind home plate (Field Championship Section 2).
Tickets were $585 face value, but I’ll take $500 each.
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This team is a joke every time a runner gets into scoring position. It’s ridiculous.
They are beyond awful offensively this year, and you know what, maybe they aren’t much better. Last year’s offense with this year’s pitching and we EASILY are in first place.
A-Rod is pulling off every pitch. He completely missed a fastball right on the outer half trying to hit a home run.
Giambi is awful right now. He can barely even put the ball in play with authority.
Posada has no power left with his shoulder messed up.
Cano swings at pitches he can’t hit, and even if he hits them hard, he can’t get them past anyone because they’re bad pitches to swing at!
Melky, don’t even get me started, and Jeter can’t lay off the first pitch and is the king of DP’s.
Is it any wonder we can never score with this crappy lineup?
I didn’t see any other scores but I want to guess that Red Sox aren’t going to do much hitting today since they blew their wad last night. If I’m wrong it will really bug me that only the Yankees fall asleep the game after blowouts!
42 pitches through 3 innings for a mentally weak pitcher on short rest.
Re-effin-diculous. I can’t believe I actually thought this team may show some fight and try to pull out a win in memory of Bobby. No one on this team has the kind of heart he did as a Yankee, apparently.
Couldn’t even advance the runner, what a surprise!
Texas Rangers catching prospect Teagarden has thrown 2 seeds to 2B and 2 CS. Ramiro Pena worked a fullcount before he struck out on a ball in the dirt.
OK – let’s go TRIBE!!!
Bleacher Creature, if you can shave about $450 off that price, maybe we can talk
This is the last game of the first half. Get Pettitte out and smoke the whole bullpen if you have to!
Figures. We completely throw away a gimme run last inning with a leadoff double and here comes Toronto about to put the crushing blow on to end our chances of ever winning this game, not that we have the heart to win it anyway.
Good teams score runs like that or tack on runs, but then again, TORONTO IS NOT A GOOD TEAM EVEN. Toronto is running out practically a AAA lineup, and yet again, they are scoring more than us. We are pathetic.
And Pettitte leaves another pitch right down the middle. Already enjoying the break Andy!
So is this Andy’s plan? Good inning, bad inning, good inning, bad inning?
Jesus is catching right now, it’s pretty hard to miss him I mean his knees reaches the stomach line of most batters
Bobby giveth and Bobby taketh away.
What an ugly game. Every time I get my hopes up after a good game, they go and do this.
“It’s like when they see his name on the sched. they are defeated before they even step in the batters box.”
Players that are on that schedule
Halliday
Burnett
Scutaro
Eckstein
Rios
Garrett Anderson
Markakis
Millar
Roberts
Edwin Jackson
Carlos Pena
Orlando Cabrera
Siezmore
Manny
Ortiz
Pure good luck there. Not that Abreu doesn’t have a great arm. Good luck for Andy.
Didn’t realize Posada was behind the plate. No wonder we’re behind by four runs.
….
You have got to be kidding me.
Huge break for the Yankees, but of course instead of taking momentum from this and scoring 2 runs the Yankees will go down 1-2-3 on 5 pitches.
Bobby seems to taketh away way more than he giveth nowadays.
Bobby Abreu is having a dr jerkyl, mr hyde game.
Rebecca,
It might get to the point that I have too. I spent around $1200 for these two seats right behind home plate thinking everyone would want them and now it’s around 24 hours until the Derby and I still no luck. I think right now the lowest I can go is $450 per seat. Let me know if you or someone you know might be interested.
Prossitto@gmail.com
P.S. It’s in the same row that joba’s dad usually sits in.
RE-SIGN ABREU!
Good inning bad inning. That’s Andy’s HGH karma. If it was steroids it would have to be bad inning bad inning.
Ramiro Pena showed a gun on that arm, threw out to speedy runners at 1B, showed range on that last one to his right.
Melky, Betty, and Gardy due up. This could be our inning!
Tribe ties TB – nice.
Bleacher: Thanks, but I’m a grad student–$450 is way out of my price range.
Though if I could go, I totally would.
So much for my theory. Red Sox leading already and runners on base.
SoS27, that is a depressingly long list. And even more depressingly, I can’t argue with any of the names on it. I could probably even add a few…sigh.
hmm Derek Jeter has a 50 arm according to scouts, Ramiro Pena just flashed a 70
Wow. Great at bat by Melky. Im betting on the same thing from Betemit.
“Melky, Betty, and Gardy due up. This could be our inning!”
Nick in the Pacific time zone is obviously following the ‘one drink before eleven or eleven before one’ rule.
one pitch and one out.
Great 5th inning start
Giambi not in Home run Derby. He declined.
Did Melky make an out on the first pitch? Did I imagine that or did it happen?
Last inning was a big break that they did not score any runs.
Now the offense has to make the move just like yesterday and win this game. Half the game is still left.
Burnett is averaging 10 pitches an inning.
This board is sad. So negative. Gives up on the team before the game is over. Ridiculous trades posted by posters who don’t think. Just sad.
After a great play on D, we come right back swinging at that first pitch. What a ridiculous team.
Well here’s a question to ponder as we suffer through this horror show of a game. Considering the money they make and what they’re expected to bring to the table, who is more frustrating to watch, Betemit or Abreu?
Does this Yankees team realize Burnett gave up SEVEN runs his last start? Unbelievable.
“Thunderfan I don’t view Ramiro Pena as high as a prospect like Tabata or Jackson, he’s there also because the SS for the world team got hurt, I still hope he improves but who knows.”
yea, i agree. i saw that the guy got hurt. still cool for Rambo though. glad they picked a yankee kid to be the replacement.
This board is sad. So negative. Gives up on the team before the game is over. Ridiculous trades posted by posters who don’t think. Just sad.
Who gave up on the game?
And Betemit got screwed on 2 check swings. The side angle shows it was not even CLOSE to being a swing.
Same game over and over this season.
Gameday showed an “injury delay” what was that about? Fouled off the foot?
Wasn’t Betemit brought in to be the utility guy? What do you expect from someone like him anyway? He’s no Cairo.
melky’s a fourth outfielder. so is brett gardner.
rasner and ponson aren’t major leaguers.
neither are hawkins, geise and ohlendorf.
posada’s over the hill and overpaid, so is jeter.
betemit is a bench player, cano is an underachiever.
our can’t miss prospects would be average in tampa’s system.
until we get over ourselves and realize that we’re a mediocre team, we aint going to improve.
Red Sox’s Lin went 1st pitch swinging and hit the first HR in this futures game.
Who gave up on the game?
Me.
How many times have we seen this game already this year?
All these guys care about today is starting their AS Break.
“Youkilis
July 13th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
This lineup is sad. So impatient and one dimensional. Gives up on the game before the 5+ ERA pitcher on 3 days rest even has a chance to break a sweat. Ridiculous at-bats taken by wealthy athletes who don’t pressure the pitcher. Just sad.”
edited for clarity
This team looks like they’re sleepwalking through the entire game. Someone wake em up, please.
mark –
if someone chooses Youkilis as their name – just ignore them. Trolls gravitate toward ugly, over-sensitive jugheads.
Montero pops up a 2-0 pitch
The offense is anemic and the umps aren’t helping. After the game we’ll get the same “He was great out there, nothing we could do” BS, but we all know this has been a terrible effort so far.
NEWFLASH
Here’s the question you need to ask about any pitcher. Is he a strikeout pitcher? If he is then you swing fast in the count.
Sorry to burst your bubble but Burnettt is a strike out pitcher.
“NEWFLASH
Here’s the question you need to ask about any pitcher. Is he a strikeout pitcher? If he is then you swing fast in the count.
Sorry to burst your bubble but Burnettt is a strike out pitcher.”
Sure, that’s been working great this year, that’s why we are the top offense in the game, right?
I’m not following the Futures Game at all, but to those who are, are Montero and Pena on Tino’s team?
Pedro just talking about this game. Not making excuses for any other time.
It’s like this team, sometimes, like they don’t want to play.
Too beautiful a day for me to be indoors watching this futility, and getting increasingly annoyed by these clowns. I am going out and enjoying the rest of my Sunday.
Have a good afternoon all
Let’s face it.. Due to injuries and age, this team needs some fresh blood in 2009..
Abreu .272
Giambi .251
Posada .269
Cano .247
Cabrera .242
Betemit .245
Gardner .171
That’s a .242 avg for 7 out of 9 batters… We’re not scoring much until the injured people come back and maybe we can try some of the youngsters out. Only Jeter with .286 and Arod with .310 show any kind of life.
Pettitte has shut Toronto down since the 2nd and got a huge defensive play to get out of the 4th. And what have the Yankees done with the opportunity?
NOTHING. Absolutely NOTHING.
That’s the sign of a team with no fight, no heart. A team that will not make the playoffs unless they stop trying to rush the game to get out to the bar and instead try to win games and grind it out.
Last year we had so many of our hitters over 300. That really is sad.
Wake up
wake up yankees!
Gah!
BBB Tino is managing the world team
“It’s like this team, sometimes, like they don’t want to play.”
Which is EXTRA pathetic and infuriating on a day like today, given the tragic loss of a Yankee legend yesterday. You’d think they could find it within themselves to play with SOME heart in honor of a man who never played any other way. But nope, apparently they cant be bothered. Just want to start the ASB and thats it.
“I’m not following the Futures Game at all, but to those who are, are Montero and Pena on Tino’s team?”
Yes.
Williams the greatest hitter in the history of baseball. “No matter the pitcher, you zone your at bats”. Jeter, Cano and Melky first pitch swung at down and away pitches, that is bad hitting, nothing else. Nobody is successful on hitting a down and away pitch. Maddux has won 300 games on that strategy and he never was Burnett.
Marmol replaced the injured Wood on the all-star team
…when did Wood get injured again?
BTW Montero’s baby fat is gone, this kid is stacked.
With most pitchers, spot them a 4 run lead and they can start to pitch and not have to try to be too controlled.
Jason can get the Yanks right back into this game.
My bonus prediction of the day:
Yanks will go 33-34 in second half of the season
(I’m probably too optimistic though)
my god learn how to tag up !!!!
Damn
Juggy,
Hard to believe the Yanks had a .290 team avg last year.
Alex was able to get that single before because Bobby wasnt in scoring position.
“…when did Wood get injured again?”
When is Wood NOT injured?
come on Jorge
My bonus prediction for the day.
I will continue to be an idiot for the rest of the season.
2-0 and he hits a lazy flyball. THis is more futility with RISP.
Screw having a hitting coach. We need one of those encouraging life coaches that could possibly turn this team around. You know, one of those people who try and make everyone happy and jumping around.
I hate this f’ing team. I really do.
Oh hell no !!! He didn’t pump fist 4-0 !
It’s ok, they’re building up his pitch count. He should be gone by the 11th inning.
My bonus prediction of the day:
ER won’t be hit by a bus crossing the street so will not have any sense knocked into him.
Burnett averaging 12 pitches her inning. He should have no problem pitching a CG on 3 days rest. How sad is that?
to say that the yankees performance today shows that they are indifferent about Murcer’s passing is disgraceful…burnett is no slouch out there…yea his numbers are bad this year but the guy got talent…not sayin the yankees should not have a run on the board but hes pitching decently..
Burnett is going to be all over ESPN tonight…can’t believe he showed up Posada like that with such an animate fist pump. Who does he think he is!?
Ramiro Pena draws a walk. (looks like a patient batter)
What is Burnett fist pumping about? A single A pitcher could shut out the Yankees this year.
That was pathetic yet again. Back to back singles, the guy falls behind with nothing close, and what does Jason do? A flyout to right on a 2-0 count down 4 runs. Are you kidding me? And Jeter’s at bat was beyond awful. At least take a pitch leading off the inning before he throws a strike!
Posada can’t lay off the breaking ball. If he can’t hit, which he clearly can’t injured, sit him down. He’s useless behind the plate, and apparently useless in the box too.
Jorge totally stinks right now. Just a statment of fact.
Bah! I’ve got better things to do than watch the Yankees just going through the motions. Hopefully they’ll be better after the all star break.
I hope Mike and the Mad Dog spend some time talking about that AJ Burnett fist pump tomorrow. lol What a waste of time with the Joba fist pump crud. Tons of guys do it. Burnett is doing it in the 6th inning.
Thank god my parents got me XBOX Live and Battlefield bad Company yesterday. I can’t bare to watch the Yankees, it is so unexciting. THe Yanks are lucky this is the last year in the stadium otherwise people would just stop coming to watch. I am still a fan but I got other things to do.
I think the Yankees want to get this half of the season over with so that they can start fresh with the second half. Can you tell that I’m just making this stuff up? LOL!
maybe it’s just not our day
Same pitch all AB long and he couldn’t lay off. Our hitters are not very smart.
This team is frustrating
Hey Burnett kept runs from scoring. He wasn’t showing up Posada. He was congratulating himself. Doesn’t bother me at all. He earned it.
“BTW Montero’s baby fat is gone, this kid is stacked.”
Cool! Sounds like we won’t have to worry much about his not sticking behind the plate now. Can’t wait for him to arrive, at least in Trenton so I can go see him.
I don’t think Wood is injured. He has a blister.
I have a great idea. Keep Andy in there since the team doesn’t play again until Thursday. That way the pen will be REALLY rested…
The thing of it is that everytime the team gets dominated by a pitcher somebody invariably says ” Oh he is a great pitcher that’s what they do.” Or “they ran into a buzzsaw” Or some other load of nonsense. Burnett is a good #2 and this year he is less than that. Youre not a championship team if you can’t EVER beat a pitcher who doesnt absolutely suck.
The game was lost, yet again, with dumb situational hitting. Leadoff double, down 4, and they can’t even move him to 3rd and give themselves a chance to score him. Two singles with 1 out down 4, and you’re hacking away on 2-0? That’s just dumb. This team beats itself.
Burnett has been crap today and we’ve helped him out. A real offensive team and they score 6 off him today. He has done absolutely nothing besides bounce curveballs and throw fastballs down the middle.
Damon and Matsui cannot account for the other 5 all stars doing crap. If Damon gets on, Jeter will just hit into a DP anyway and erase him.
Shutout by Burnett + 3 relievers ?
(Or did I already said that ?)
Come on Yanks!
I still support you!
Sometimes you just have to tip your cap.
I can deal with a loss.
I’m having trouble understanding how we’re letting a pitcher who has a 90 pc limit throw into the seventh inning.
I don’t really care either if Burnett fist pumps, but he is still a lame azz. And what does that say about us that we continually roll over for someone of his very weaksauce character…
And it’s so ridiculous, you can’t ALWAYS tip your cap to the pitcher! Burnett has been TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE this season. And guess what, good teams can beat up on good pitchers once in a while. Boston does not just tip their cap to every freaking pitcher. They score tons of runs off the “aces” of the league. Our team is a team of QUITTERS. They just make the excuse to make themselves feel better about their own lack of focus and effort.
Tino’s World has the basesloaded up 3-0, he’s making team USA look silly.
Hey 27 This year-
Even if Mommy and Daddy didn’t buy you those things, you could always play with your Thomas the Tank Engine toys instead.
We cannot beat Burnett, Perez and Daniel Cabrera. We make those 3 look like Cy Young.
“I’m having trouble understanding how we’re letting a pitcher who has a 90 pc limit throw into the seventh inning.”
I so totally 100% agree with you. These are supposed to be veterans. The way they’re playing, you coulda fooled me.
“Sometimes you just have to tip your cap.”
Yeah, but not this time, imo. this one is all on us so far (offense & pitching).
“Ramiro Pena draws a walk. (looks like a patient batter)”
Glad you could tell that from one at bat in an all star game. Where do we find these people?
Jump, jump, jump.
Give up. DFA everyone!
Where is the optimism?
Nothing new about this game, this is the way the offense has been all season. It’s business as usual, 2008.
go Team Tino!
I be we hear the same old lines again:
“He pitched really really well!”
“His fastball was really really fast!”
“His curveball was really really curvy!”
“We were in a hurry to start our vacation!”
“I’m getting paid anyway, so why should I bother?”
Yeah… broken record.
Bobby Kielty got released…I’d look at him to platoon with our OFers. He’s got great career numbers against lefties, can play all three OF positions.
It’s still possible to get close to a team .290 avg once they get damon (.319) and matsui (.323) back but they’ll need Cano and Cabrera to hit .300 for the second half. Giambi won’t be hitting for avg any more and my guess is posada will do his career avg .280s
Tip your cap? I’m sick of hearing that.
Sure somedays you’re just gonna get beat by a better pitcher.
But this team does the same thing over and over, regardless of the talent on the mound.
How anyone watching this game can say anything but that this team just doesn’t have any fight in it is beyond me.
Eric Duncan just hit his 3rd HR in the month of July…Miranda hit another 2B he pushed his BA to .304…Kennedy …needs to work a bit harder than this
I wasn’t actually suggesting anyone here tip their cap.
“Where is the optimism?”
I remember Joba’s first start against these very same Blue Jays. They knew he was on a pitch count and man did they ever work on him. You remember that?
Here come the Yankees, knowing the Burnett is on a pitch count, starting on 3 days rest, and what do they do?
Liked someone’s suggestion that maybe the Yankees need a life coach!
Yankees have no ‘chi.’ Too much disharmony in their universe.
John Smoltz used to have his psychiatrist sit behind home plate, to give him calming signs and to focus.
Do you have over a 5+ ERA? Do you have a .500 career record? Do you struggle against quality teams and just need a break? We have the answer for you! Please come take a leisurely stroll against a once formidable lineup formerly known as the “Bronx Bombers”. We will put in “All Star” talent like the captain Derek Jeter with his .280 average and 5HR’s (not to mention his terrible defensive skills so he can help your team by not getting to balls he should, or throwing balls away into the 1st row). We also will feature our other fading stars such as Bobby Abeu, who will not only help out with his .270 average but his ridiculously bad fielding by routinely playing singles (and sometimes routine fly balls) into doubles and triples. If that’s not enough we have a former AL MVP Jason Giambi who is collecting his 18 Mil this year for his .252 average and apparantely growing his stache. Still not enough? How about Jorge Posada with his .268 average that was just resigned to a 4 year contract at 36 as a catcher. We also have a 200+ million payroll and have no lefty in the pen and guys like Darrel Rasner and Sidney Ponson in the rotation (just in case).
So if your a “stud” 5 ERA guy like AJ Burnett or just your random “average” MLB starter like Malholm in Pittsburgh, feel free to dominate this team who has been put together to look like a contender but in actuality is 2-3 years away (And a whole bunch of bad contracts) from actually contending for a world championship.
does melky suck or what?
Well, at least Cleveland just scored. They’re up 4-2 now. Pretty pathetic that they, the 2nd worst team in the AL, can score on Kazmir but we can’t score on a tired struggling Burnett. I really hate having to root for teams like Cleveland and Baltimore. Except Sal Fasano, heres hoping he drives in 17 runs today.
73 pitches in the 7th??
Losers.
absolute losers
But we can tip our caps to CC Sabathia, who just homered off of Homer Bailey.
As much as this game makes me want to throw something against a wall, I have to say, the tributes they’re doing for Bobby are really awesome.
Watch, Burnett’s gonna throw a CG shut out.
Wow this offense needs help.
Not making excuses since the Yankees haven’t shown their usual patience at the plate in a long time. But Burnett is 2nd in the AL in Ks/inning. It’s really hard to get that kind of pitch count up!
Burnett is gonna have a complete game shut out against us..
Just wonderful
GREAT INNING GUYS!!!!!
What heart!!!!!
GO TEAM GO!!!! WE”RE GOING TO THE WORLD SERIES!!!!!!!!
YEAY TEAM!!!!!!!!!
Yes… CC without the .
What’s the big difference between C.C. and CC anyway? It’s easier to remember? What?
ouch Montero took a fouled off 97 mph fastball to face, and laughed
Pete,
I believe Ryan Howard was part of last year’s HR Derby, but was not on the All-Star team.
Cano, Cabrera and Betemit. 3 automatic outs.
All three of them need to be traded because THEY SUCK.
We are looking at the worst Yankee team in 15 years people. I hope none of these three survive the coming purge since they show fight or care in their game at all.
weaksauce
This team is pathetic. And of course they will just “tip their cap.” Burnett had an ERA of almost 5.50 coming into this game. Teams HAVE HIT HIM. But once again, with no plate discipline, no approach, no heart, this team goes out there and embarrasses themselves and disgraces the Yankees’ name.
Damon and Matsui cannot fix the other 6 guys playing like total garbage. There is really no excuse.
If this team does not score runs consistently and starting NOW, they are DONE.
Sweet, now Geise can come in and give up 5 runs!!!!!
YEAY YANKEES!!!!!!
Henry Rodriguez is so filthy
LOL at CC’s homer. Hopefully he will be doing more of the same in interleague as a Yankee next year.
Against a strikeout pitcher, shouldn’t you just pick a zone instead of guessing all the time?
Guessing didn’t seem to work for them the first few innings, you think they’d be able to adjust.
Same as usual. Win 4 in a row, lose 3/4. This team is going nowhere fast with their inconsistency. 20 runs in the last 8, and 9 runs yesterday. Of course they were going to get shut out today. The sad thing is, you KNEW it was going to happen, no matter who was on the mound.
CC should be in the homerun derby..
…CC homered again?
You know what’s going to suck?
Some pathetic broadcaster will use Bobby Murcer as an excuse for the Yankees performance today. That’s gotta be pretty low.
I wish I could see how Bobby Abreu played at 21 years old
And of course they’ll use some stupid excuse like “Well, we scored 9 yesterday, you can’t always get it done…”
18, 0, 4, 2, 5, 5, 2, 2, 0, 9, 0?
So 47 runs in 11 games. But wait, they scored over 4 runs a game!
But 2 of those were in 18 and 9 run outbursts, and they were shutout 3 times and scored 2 or fewer SIX times.
Somehow they miraculously were 4-4 over the stretch of 20 runs in 8 games, but you CANNOT win games like that.
Well I certainly will not be listening to the postgame, because if I hear one use of the phrase “tip your cap,” I might have to break something. H&H should start fining players and coaches for every time they spew that ridiculous platitude when it is undeserved.
Playing with a heavy heart is a reason, not an excuse.
So is playing without Damon, Matsui, and Wang.
i was afraid the ‘real yankee offense would show up today’ thus proving yesterday is more of a fluke. there isn’t a mlb team not capable of getting alot of runs every 5th or 6th game, but this offense is horrendous.
this all-star break can’t get here quick enough for them
And for all of you who like to cite last year, if we lose today, we will have only been one game better through an equivalent amount of games. So it’s time to wake up and look at reality. We are 1 game better now, we aren’t off to a better start by any means, and at this point last year, we were on fire. Not only are we only 1 game better, but our offense is a freaking joke, and Wang is out till September. This team is in MUCH worse shape than last year’s.
Cashman has got to be gone very soon. Yanks need a GM who has a feel for the modern game and the modern player. Girardi will also be a one-season wonder–way over his head.
well… just got done with too much yard work and I come to find the Yankee offense asleep at the wheel again… wonder if they’re already mentally on vacation…
“Some pathetic broadcaster will use Bobby Murcer as an excuse for the Yankees performance today. That’s gotta be pretty low.”
Pretty low indeed. He should be the reason they’re playing well, not the excuse for rolling over.
Montero with a single!
Montero singled to RF
Way to make a pitcher on short rest work!
“Some pathetic broadcaster will use Bobby Murcer as an excuse for the Yankees performance today. That’s gotta be pretty low.”
Been nice if they could have won this one for Bobby. You know, the way Bobby tore it up for Thurm? This team could use two or three Bobby Murcers.
As for Tampa … it’s clear that their slide has begun. They can’t beat the s#@^&y Indians and they’re now a hair away from relinquishing the division lead. Expect them to be at least eight out in a month.
Boston is the team to watch now (I never really stopped considering them the team to watch). They’re scoring 10 runs a game, and they got Daniel Cabrera tonight, a guy who #^&s his pants every time he’s at Fenway.
with all their millions, you’d think they’d be able to buy a hit at least…
Watch:
Gardner leadoff single.
Jeter GIDP.
Abreu flys out to right.
Anyone want to bet against me?
Thanks Cashman for getting us some bats and a starter and a lefty.
Way to try to win in 2008.
Red Sox up by two.
Forget today as an example of anything. If it’s grieving it’s grieving. If it’s Burnett it’s Burnett.
The Yankees have been overall awful this year.
We need a miracle..
Rally monkey time?
http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics.....9381dt.jpg
I hope those great prospects coming up are just as good as Melky, Gardner and Kennedy.
Not that this is the time for it, but …
Anyone know what the status of the AL roster is? Doesn’t Francona still need to give Ortiz’ spot to someone? I’ve been wondering if Giambi could sneak in that way, like Wright did.
Ah well, the ASB should be good for the Yankees. Maybe they do need to rest (party, beaches, alcohol) to recharge. Yeah….
Damn when the Yankees take a game off they really take a game off
As a Yankee fan from Taiwan, I use future game to avoid the pain Yankee bring to me because center fielder, Lin who is from Taiwan, on the world team has a great game. Unfotunately, he was signed by Red Sox.
wow…8th inning and it looks like it is there first mlb AB every
The yankees embarrassed themselves in honor of Bobby Murcer just as they did with Phil Rizzuto. This team is not only a pathetic, embarrassing team for this season, but they dishonored the franchise in the process. They should be ashamed of their performance.
Cue Jeter on the postgame “What can you say, he’s tough. He was throwing the ball well. Not much you can do”
The YAnks are pissed.
All these strikeouts take too long.
They want to hit lazy fly balls on the first pitch so they go on vacation faster.
Well deserved break guys.
enjoy your time off.
Don’t worry you’ll have plenty more come Oct. 1.
Screw all of them.
Blow this sorry bunch of losers up Cashman!
Disgraceful.
BBB, you go to many thunder games? what do you think of it? the team, the stadium…
Are you kidding? The whole world knows he’s on a pitch count of 90, on short rest, and he got CLOBBERED his last start. And what do we do? We let him throw 90 pitches in 8 shutout innings. There is no team that could be as pathetic as the Yankees. Toronto is pretty much in last place and they put up much more of a fight than the Yankees could ever dream of.
Agree with the following:
Gardner is overmatched
team makes mediocre pitchers look like Cy Young
playing with no heart and no brains
blowouts are major exceptions to the rule of limp bats
need 1 big bat and 1 big pitcher (Holliday for a bat? WHO for a pitcher?)
second place finish at best this year, no playoff berth
And I’m an optimist.
Well, looks like school’s out for them already..
Back to the futures game
We got an 84 win team here.
The front office is playing for 2009 for some reason in a weak year.
I can’t help but think that this year is a rebuilding year. Does make it easier to bear all the losses and other crap.
“The yankees embarrassed themselves in honor of Bobby Murcer just as they did with Phil Rizzuto.”
At least with the Scooter they could use the excuse that Karstens was making an emergency start and never gave them a chance to win the game. But there’s no excuse for today. It is an embarrassment to Bobby’s memory, that THIS is how they pay tribute to his heart and drive, by exhibiting the exact opposite qualities at the plate and in the field. Lame.
Let’s Go Tampa Bay!
Come on guys!
Might as well root for the Yankees to be way out of it by the trade deadline.
That way Cashman isn’t tempted to keep any of these heartless bastards.
It’s time to get rid of some of these apathetic losers once and for all.
Toronto pitchers have the 3rd best ERA in AL and is up there with Boston in strikeouts. Why all the negativitism?Yes AJ Burnett will probably pitch a CG shutout, the 2nd against us in 3 days.
The Yankees are an injured, sluggish, overpayed team. How can we expect them to go out there and score 5 runs a game? Right now our pitchers have to pitch shutouts for us to have a chance to win.
We lost 2 .300 hitters to injuries. One former .300 hitter was rewarded with a 4 year contract. One lifetime .300 hitter is having his worst all-around season.
So fans, what do you expect?-Miracles?
Team World shuts out Team USA 3 – 0
I can’t help but think that this year is a rebuilding year. Does make it easier to bear all the losses and other crap.
And just who are they rebuilding with?
Who are these youngsters that are gonna replace losers like Abreu, Giambi, Cabrera, Cano.
Where are Posada and Jeter and their over the hill bats going?
rebuilding? Please, that’s just the line they’ll use to keep the suckers buyiong tickets.
All this team cares about anymore is making money.
am i the only one that thinks ken singleton sucks?! he needs to stop laughing at his own jokes when no one else thinks they’re funny.
Injuries are an excuse.
The Sox haven’t had Ortiz pretty much all season and they haven’t missed a beat.
Matsui and Damon aren’t Ortiz.
Montero had a nice opposite field single…how long until he replaces Jorge?
Another thing we’re doing with this pathetic showing is helping Toronto by making Cy Burnett’s trade value sky rocket…Burnett has a $M$ Arm and +5.00 ERA head. (How long before he’s in Pinstripes?)
Someone else mentioned this: I was 11, playing LL ball when Thurman died…Murcer driving in 5, including the game winner, on the day they buried The Captain was pure HEART…RIP Bobby.
Sabathia has homered twice today.
If we sign him we should move him to 1B.
As a Yankee fan from Taiwan, I use future game to avoid the pain Yankee bring to me because center fielder, Lin who is from Taiwan, on the world team has a great game. Unfotunately, he was signed by Red Sox.
He’s not even a power hitter, he got a lucky hanger on pitch #1 either way Team USA wasn’t the real USA roster, this was the decided roster because of the Olympics. Guys like Jason Heyward, Austin Jackson, Cameron Maybin..alot of guys should have been on this roster.
Timy Lupus:
Cue Jeter on the postgame “What can you say, he’s tough. He was throwing the ball well. Not much you can doâ€
LOL
LOL
Every time I hear this from him or Girardi I want to punch somebody in the face!
thunderfangabe – I don’t go to as many Thunder games as I’d like unfortunately, usually a couple a season. Last season I saw Joba start there and it was the most dominant pitching performance I’ve ever personally witnessed in my life. Loved watching Miranda last year too, went to a couple games where he really raked. I’m not as familiar with this year’s team yet, but I love everything about Waterfront Park. I hope the Yankees never move from there!
Great move having a rebuilding year with a 220 mill payroll. Are you serious?
If they really wanted to rebuild they should have passed on Posada and taken the 2 draft picks.
Wow… looks like yesterday’s game was an anomaly and the real Yankees showed up today.
why are they so afraid to get further and further from .500. doesn’t make sense.
“Might as well root for the Yankees to be way out of it by the trade deadline.
That way Cashman isn’t tempted to keep any of these heartless bastards.
It’s time to get rid of some of these apathetic losers once and for all.”
I say we bring in Bonds. Then tank so badly that we end up with one of the worst records in the sport. Get ourselves a top 10 draft pick. Use that on a poorly scouted player with injury history (like most of our draft picks). Don’t lose any top picks when we Sabathia and Texeira for 10 years. Trade Hughes and Kennedy for a new catcher. Find a good chiropractor to hook Sabathia up with, squeezing a sponsorship deal out of it and ensuring that the frequent back troubles Sabathia will inevitably struggle with are taken care of. Sign half the players in China (except that really good pitcher that we’ll let Boston sign). Fire Cashman and let Hank be the GM. Paint a gigantic Ford logo in center field at the new stadium (cha-ching! cha-ching!). Sign Pedro and Schilling to three year deals.
Sit back and enjoooy the ride down the toilet!
Matsusuka walking the world and Baltimore still can’t score.
Kim Jones: (in her whisper voice) Derek what do you think happened today? Why couldn’t you guys hit the ball out of the infield no less score a run?
Derek Jeter: Well ya know he was throwing really well out there. That guy we faced throws hard, I got mine in blazing copper. Check stores for Driven my new cologne.
“He’s not even a power hitter, he got a lucky hanger on pitch #1 either way Team USA wasn’t the real USA roster, this was the decided roster because of the Olympics. Guys like Jason Heyward, Austin Jackson, Cameron Maybin..alot of guys should have been on this roster.”
Way to be a jerk, Brandon. Can you let the guy be happy?
There may not be any cure for their bad offense. I’m not even expecting them to be necessarily any better after the All-Star break. It’s good that management isn’t sacrificing the plan for any quick fixes. Even if they miss the postseason this year, the organization is on the right track.
Robertson is the man. It’s sad he gets so few chances to pitch in meaningful games. I know he could handle the pressure.
On the bright side, the Rays should have buried us this week.
We really should be 10+ games out.
Once again, proof we are building for ‘09. As difficult as it is to accept, this team is not winning anything this season. I advocate going younger in the second half and seeing what we have for an ‘09 run.
I guess 3 quick outs and that’s all folks?
Complete game with pitches to spare.
What a joke.
Giambi is not the first player to be invited to the derby without making the team, it wasnt long ago (2005) when they did that world vs usa thing and the likes of Hee-Seop Choi got invited. Palmeiro was not an allstar in 04 when he did it, im sure there is probably plenty more.
Here’s the real sad part. Yankee’s offense has worked itself into such a hole with the fans that there’s no way they’ll every be able to get credit when it really is an unhittable pitcher.
If I’m Hank and Hal (which would be quite the accomplishment) I would pull Cashman into the office during the break and demand he sign an extension and right the ship or leave. The team is playing half assed right now just like the GM
“seeing what we have for an ‘09 run.”
Johnny Damon. Hideki Matsui. Jorge Posada. Pettitte probably. Mussina probably. Maybe even Giambi (clutch HR there stache!). Maybe even Abreu.
as usual..Dice-K gets out of a jam
Sweet, a meanaingless homerun!
Awesome!
We rock.
a hr..nice Jason
I for one will be laughing hysterically when Torre has the Dodgers in the post season and we are watching on tv.
Well, at least it’s not a shut out.
“If they really wanted to rebuild they should have passed on Posada and taken the 2 draft picks.”
And put who (or is it whom) behind the plate full time? Molina? Yeah that would have worked out great. Paul LoDuca? Brilliant. Wil Nieves? Clearly the next Johnny Bench.
It’s one thing to vent about the patheticness of this offense, I’m certainly not shy about doing so. But let’s not let our frustrations lead us into revisionist history. Everybody wanted Posada back and people would have been ripping Cash if he let him go to another team. Besides, as detailed above, there were no alternatives.
Sweet, now a GIDP to end the game by Cano.
How fitting.
Don’t get me wrong, but I am as big a fan as you can get. I watch every single inning of every single game (even the blowouts) in hopes of seeing late inning signs of life.
This regular season has been one of the biggest dissappointments in any year I have rooted for this team. We actually have pretty decent pitching this year…even from the bullpen. The offense is the worst I have ever seen.
Each game, the Yankees make below-average/average pitchers look really good. We help get bum major leaguer hitters out of their slumps. And we let opposing teams run all over the basepaths when Posada is behind the plate. On top of that, no team is afraid of us and no team is afraid of playing in Yankee Stadium like they used to be.
Now, for any that have seen my posts before, you know that I am not a doomsday poster, but time is running out. The table has been set. The Rays are struggling and the Sox have their issues. We cannot continue to lay down to any team or any ace pitcher.
This is not what championship caliber teams do and I have never considered this team other than that. Here’s to a spectacular second half for the Yankees and I hope everybody enjoys the All Star Break.
Red Sox living right. Matsuzaka gets out of bases loaded one out jam.
I wonder how long steroid/HGH karma lasts. Or is it the repulican president curse?
It hasn’t been fun rooting for the Yankees in a while.
I never wanted these words to come out of my mouth let alone have to think the thought but someone said it the other day and I’m going to say it now. Ever since 2004 the Yankees haven’t been the same team with the same swagger. Until we turn over the players who spit the bit against the Red Sox we will probably always be slogging through the mud.
Posada is the perfect example of why you don’t pay based on one year and don’t get emotionally tied to players. All players suck after signing a fat contract. Very few even are worth it long term.
Posada = old Yankee way of doing business. will suffer long term.
I for one will be laughing hysterically when Torre has the Dodgers in the post season and we are watching on tv.
Especially when they make it there with a losing record.
lol
“I for one will be laughing hysterically when Torre has the Dodgers in the post season and we are watching on tv”
Yeah, I too will laugh hysterically when a .500-ish record proves enough to get a pathetic NL West team into the playoffs.
But what does that have to do with the Yankees?
Burnett.
They should send his sorry a$$ down to AA…….couldn’t hold on to the shutout.
What a loser.
I knew he is not a power hitter.But, guess what? Taiwanese players won future game MVP two years in a row. When there are a lot of frustration going on my yankees team, I at least can feel happy for my Taiwanese players.
“Until we turn over the players who spit the bit against the Red Sox we will probably always be slogging through the mud.”
Well, one of the big ones is locked up until 2017. So don’t get your hopes up too high.
well..I was wrong…no complete game for Burnett…
But it was close..
Pete, the inside-the-clubhouse info, analysis and insight in your 3:18 p.m. update is one of the reasons this blog is so great. Thanks.
“I can’t help but think that this year is a rebuilding year. Does make it easier to bear all the losses and other crap.”
Transition, not rebuilding. I don’t think the fanbase on here could handle a real rebuilding effort. We’d need the world’s biggest pack of Depends for this crew.
Sadly, though, one of the responses we saw above is true. This can’t be a traditional rebuilding effort. Not only is there all this ridiculous “WE’RE THE YANKEES” stuff to live up to, but the veterans on this team either can’t be traded because they simply can’t ever be traded (Jeter, Posada, etc.) or aren’t going to bring rebuilding-type players in return (Abreu, Damon, etc.) The window on that second group is long over, and its our fault for bringing them in in the first place.
It has to be a gradual transition, and it has to be strategically done. Again, Joel Sherman’s article in last week’s post showed exactly how it SHOULD be done. We have the GM to pull it off. If you notice, the folks who want him gone are the ones who think we have some sort of godsend to win the championship every year.
Y’all put up with losing every year since 2001 while treading water and slowly creating what you see right now. At least there’s a plan to, while not win another championship tomorrow, right this ship for the future. You can either get with that or post about trading for Matt Holliday, Brian Fuentes, signing Bonds, etc., and continuing to get nowhere.
Confucius well since I don’t buy that one guy makes a team I guess we can hold onto one and maybe be okay! Ha ha.
To those complaining about re-signing Posada: what should the Yankees have done instead?
Way to be a jerk, Brandon. Can you let the guy be happy?
Lin had an amazing performance today. There.
Hello, BBB, who do you think has been the fulltime catcher this season????
Molina.
At this point they should have taken the two picks for Posada.
Let’s go Yankees. Don’t stop. Make me a double happy day.
Bob, nice call.
That was a tough one to call!
Nice job Robby. Nice job Yankees.
Nice way to end the first half of the season.
tip my cap to the person who called the game ending dp!!!
KoKo
“Injuries are no excuse.” Total agreement with that. In fact if you subtract Damon’s Matsui’s, Bruney’s, Hughes, and Wang’s salaries, we would still be spending more than any other team.
My last post was what I realistically feel that this team as currently constructed and playing is not taking us to the promised land. On top of that I’m still trying to look at them with “the glass half-full,” which is getting harder with each loss!
and that ladies and gentlemen…sum up the 1st half of the season of Yankees baseball. they suck!
Red Sox threatening for more.
It is what it is. I don’t think I’m going to much worry about how the two teams ahead of us finish out today.
Enjoy the days off Yankee fans. At least we don’t have to feel sick again until Thursday.
BBB, i think they will renew the PDC by the end of this year. i think it is up this year. i don’t think they have any intention of breaking up the relationship. they have had major success here. the reading phillies have been the phila phillies affiliate for 40+ years and just hit 10mil fans last year i think. we hit 6 million this year and we’re only 15yrs in existence. the yanks have a nice little road up the coast with staten island, tampa, charleston, trenton, scranton, bronx. the thunder sellout just about every game or every other game. been 7000+ many times this year. maybe even hit 8000 once i think. not bad for capacity 6440.
Anyone that is going on about the Yankees selling is delusional. Considering that the vets everyone wants outta here have complete no trade clauses.
It ain’t happening.
“Hello, BBB, who do you think has been the fulltime catcher this season????
Molina.”
LOL when is the last time Molina has been a starting catcher for a whole season? Never, right? What makes you think he could do it at this stage of his career then? And didn’t he hurt his hammy earlier this year when he was catching every single day for an extended period of time?
“Enjoy the days off Yankee fans. At least we don’t have to feel sick again until Thursday.”
‘And now, introducing the eleven Red Sox all star reserves … ‘
“This regular season has been one of the biggest dissappointments in any year I have rooted for this team.”
It’s beyond me that people didn’t see things like this coming 3 or 4 years ago. I didn’t think it’d happen this year either, but 1) i’m still enjoying watcthing this team, 2) i’m not surprised.
pathetic offensive effort, btw. Andy wasn’t at his best, but four runs should be more than enough when your lineup has names like Rodriguez, Jeter, Posada, Abreu, etc.
I realize those first three will be here for the long haul, but it’s more than overdue for us to build correctly around those guys. It’s going to be an interesting off-season.
In terms of our standings were fortunate the Rays are cooling off..and if those damn Os can come back I’ll be happy with todays loss.
David of course the Yanks aren’t selling. And I agree it’s dumb and delusional on the part of the people who think they are.
Yankees still pretty much stink even though.
What a team!
Way to tough this one out today guys!
Enjoy your 4 days off spending your millions and chasing whores.
Us fans will be the ones miserable, don’t you guys worry about it.
You’re not paid to care!
Screw the whole lot of them.
I’m an optimist by nature but I am starting to lose patience with this club.
We have dead weight at catcher, CF, 2b, and the entire bench.
The OBP’s of them all hover around 300. Which is terrible. We do not have the starting pitching to score 3 runs a game.
Confucius -
HA HA HA!!!
Yeah I guess I forgot about that.
BBB- The Yankees should have signed Posada, as there were no FA catchers worth anything. They just should have called his bluff and not given him 4 years guaranteed!
They did the same with A-Rod last year by bidding against themselves, and on top of that giving him more money as he passes Ruth, Aaron and Bonds.
Kim Jones: (in her whisper voice) Derek what do you think happened today? Why couldn’t you guys hit the ball out of the infield no less score a run?
Derek Jeter: Well he threw strikes, kept us guessing, that’s as good as I’ve seen him in sometime and we just couldn’t hit him.
Kim Jones: (follow up whisper question)Derek would you say that this break is coming at the right time since you know w/ the recent events on Bobby’s passing and the team’s daily struggle to hit maybe to get away from the game ?
Derek Jeter: Nah..the game isn’t going anywhere, You don’t want to make excuses we just got to get it done. Hopefully this break gets us some rest and some guys can come out strong in the 2nd half
Kim Jones: (whispers) What do you think the Yankees need to make a strong push in the 2nd half ?
Derek Jeter: ahhh ..we just got to get it done pitching, defense, hitting, we just got to get it done.
Each time I see Melky flail at the plate I see Johan Santana throwing up zero’s.
Anyone that is going on about the Yankees selling is delusional. Considering that the vets everyone wants outta here have complete no trade clauses.
Please you like me no players waive thier NTC when they are not wanted. That won’t be a problem.
Blah blah blah, the Yankees suck, no offense, season over, blah blah blah. Some of the people here are pathetic. Pretty much all of the people here who say the Yankees are done know little to nothing about baseball. One week ago everyone here was SCREAMING “Wow, we can’t compete with the Tampa Bay Rays, they have so much young talent”. Now all they are is the same crummy team they were last year. Afterall, what’s the actual difference in the team than last year? All of a sudden their “young talent” was going to become a WS contender? Yeah, right.
Once again, just like last year, it’s going to come down between the Red Sox and Yankees competing for first in the division, and the Wild Card. They’ll hit better in the second half, they’ll hopefully be getting Damon and Matsui back, and everything should be fine.
But saying they are transitioning or rebuilding is just STUPID. WHO are the great teams in contention for the division and the Wild Card? The Red Sox, the Red Sox, and don’t forget the Red Sox.
I still think it was the right thing to re-sign Posada, even at four years. I am absolutely in support of making sure that he, Jeter, and Mo never wear another uniform in their baseball career.
I also hope that, like the late Bobby Murcer, they show the same class when it’s time to exit stage left.
There’s also that matter of having no other solid full-time option at catcher. Hope Montero’s eating his Wheaties…
Each time I see Melky flail at the plate I see Johan Santana throwing up zero’s.
And ? That deal had nothing to do w/ Melky.
know * (sorry)
“But saying they are transitioning or rebuilding is just STUPID. WHO are the great teams in contention for the division and the Wild Card? The Red Sox, the Red Sox, and don’t forget the Red Sox.”
If they matter so much to you, go root for the Red Sox instead.
Posada had a career year in a contract year. He should be playing for the the Mets right now.
Each time I hear about Hughes starting a throwing program I think of Santana throwing 0’s.
when posada is hitting like varitek next year and also not being able to throw out any runner i don’t think you will be happy they resigned him for 4 years. he will also cost us going after texeira since he will have to play 1b soon.
“If they matter so much to you, go root for the Red Sox instead.”
Do you even understand what I wrote? I’m saying they are the only team the Yankees are going to be contending with. There aren’t any great teams this year, including the Red Sox. The Red Sox are good, not great. So I should go root for the Red Sox because I think the division/wild card is between them and the Yankees?
Gabe – Hopefully the Yanks will continue their relationship with Waterfront Park and the Thunder long enough to get Nomar’s number unretired, lol. It is so weird seeing it hanging up there!
Ironically, last time I went to a Thunder game was just after Gardner had been promoted to AAA. I sat near several season ticket holders and much of the game was spent with them telling me how much better Brett was than Melky. Looks like they might have been on the right track there…
Jorge, agree, resigning Posada was a no-brainer. I don’t like the 4 years, but the Yankees did that to themselves when they refused to talk contracts during the spring.
Each time I hear about Hughes starting a throwing program I think of Santana throwing 0’s.
Not this crap again.
Speaking of Santana though, what would his record be with this offense?? Not that good, and you’d be locked in to many yeare with him, and he would probably blow out his arm.
What’s most disheartening to me about this team is the terrible offensive approach. Players go into slumps, get unlucky with hard hit balls, miss pitches etc. There’s not a lot you can do about that. However, the approach is something completely different. Today, Burnett was coming in with a 90 pitch count. He didn’t reach that pitch count until the 9th inning! That’s unacceptable. Even if he was throwing strikes, good hitters can foul off tough pitches and make pitchers work. That was what this team used to do better than anyone. String together good at bats, and eventually the pitcher would make a mistake. And even if the pitcher battled through it, he’d be out of the game in the 5th or 6th inning. It’s not just about OBP either, it’s more about fouling off pitches and making the pitcher work to get outs. Even averaging merely 15 pitches an inning, Burnett would have been out of the game in the 6th giving 3 innings to try and get something off the bullpen.
You can’t control where and when you get base hits, but approach is something that can be controlled. The Yankees approach has been getting worse the last few years, but it seems to have fallen drastically this year, and it’s a major prpblem.
Admittedly, losing Damon and Matsui hurts. But Jeter, Giambi, Posada and Matsui are still in the line up. This team needs better at bats to win in the regular season and to have success in the post-season, should they get there.
If saying that the team is in transition is “STUPID” what would you call assuming that the team who hasnt hit a lick all year is just magically going to start smashing the ball after the break?
Given the choice between blindly hoping that the team will start hitting with RISP or at all just because of their baseball cards (a page out of Mike Francessa’s playbook) and realistically looking at the team’s shortcomings and deciding to transition some of the younger talent into the team, id think the former is the nominee for delusion of the season.
Probably why the GM hasn’t made a big move to throw prospects and dollars at some middle aged or declining player as a means of putting a bandaid on a flesh wound.
This tipping the cap crap is starting to piss me off.
Each time I hear about Hughes starting a throwing program I think of Santana throwing 0’s.
Where would Santana be hitting in the lineup?
If you think the pitching is what’s killing the Yanks this year, you don’t have a clue.
We’ve given up 17 more runs than the mighty Red Sox this year.
We’ve scored 60 less than them.
Hmmmmmm, I wonder what our problem is.
Oh, btw, I just wanted to tip my cap to AJ Burnett too before I head out.
Kim Jones: Is the break coming at a good time for your team Joe?
Uh, no?
Are her questions pathetically stupid or what.
Pete: Time of today’s game: 2hours, 35 minutes. Time of the Friday 7/11/08 loss: 2 hours, 21 minutes. More support for your description of them hitting as though they’re just trying to get things over with as fast as possible. “Listless team that plays with very little consistency” is about as apt a characterization of the Yankees as can be found anywhere.
Well, BBB, come on back down and enjoy another game.
Brett was definitely a special player to watch in the Thunder uniform. Did a lot of cool things out there in center. Now we have A-Jax doing some nice stuff. Hopefully they keep things up after the ASB and we get another championship.
“Speaking of Santana though, what would his record be with this offense?? Not that good, and you’d be locked in to many yeare with him, and he would probably blow out his arm.’
Just like they are going to get locked into Sabathia or Burnett or someone else for 7 years??
“BBB- The Yankees should have signed Posada, as there were no FA catchers worth anything. They just should have called his bluff and not given him 4 years guaranteed!
They did the same with A-Rod last year by bidding against themselves”
Can’t argue with ya there Yankee Trader. I’m not convinced that the Mets were serious about giving him 4 years, or that the 1 year disparity would have been enough to get him to go there if they were. I just hate it when people act like there were a plethora of other options out there that Cash just ignored based on some misguided sentimentality towards Jorge. but I fully agree that the quality of their negotiations with their own FA’s (and CMW) this winter left much to be desired. Who is mostly responsible for those negotiations, Randy Levine right? I’m not a big fan of his.
“If saying that the team is in transition is “STUPID†what would you call assuming that the team who hasnt hit a lick all year is just magically going to start smashing the ball after the break?”
First of all, they have “hit a lick”. You can’t have .313 hitters, .319 hitters, .323 hitters, .285 hitters, etc, and not have “hit a lick”. Their major problem has been hitting with RISP. What do you think happens? They walk to the plate with RISP and all of a sudden forget how to hit? Uh, no. They just aren’t get hits at opportune moments. Eventually they will. It’s simply a matter of time. Cano has always been a second half hitter, and he plays a huge role in their lineup.
Just like they are going to get locked into Sabathia or Burnett or someone else for 7 years??
Aren’t you paying attention?
We just signed Eric Milton.
Plus Cashman will draft a few more kids who need arm surgery before they become awesome, and we’ll be all set.
What do you expect with this AAAA lineup out there every single night?
Blame cashman for not putting solid players on that bench.
We used to roll out Strawberry, Fielder, Sierra, Chili Davis, Raines, Boggs, etc.
Now we got Justin Christian, Chad Moeller and Wilson Betemit.
As much as I detest the Sux there OBP is sick for instance today they’ve sent 20 to the bases (scoring 2) compared to our 10 (solo homer doesn’t count). For the Yanks this just isn’t going to get it done with the current lineup. Unless Cashman can pullout a trade that sticks we might be go further than the first round…but not all dreams come true!
Every time I think of Santana on the mound I think of how his ERA has gotten worse every year and how much dough we would have had to fork over for him and what prospects we would have had to give up for him and then I think of what it would look like with Johnny Damon trying to throw the ball in from center field while a merry go round of hitters run across home plate.
Just like they are going to get locked into Sabathia or Burnett or someone else for 7 years??
Without giving away prospects too.
“This tipping the cap crap is starting to piss me off.”
UGH, please tell me they didn’t spew that useless “tip the cap” platitude in the postgame again! Who was it, Girardi?
Hopefully the yanks get their crap in gear for the second half of the season.
Indy, do you honestly believe that being locked in to a pitcher for that many years is a good idea???? Hell NO! Sabathia is overweight, Santana has thrown alot of innings. Anyway the problem this year hasn’t really been pitching. It’s the offense. Hughes might still pan out. But if we had hit at all this year, we’d be in first W/O Santana,Sabathia,etc. with Hughes coming back.
“Who is mostly responsible for those negotiations, Randy Levine right? I’m not a big fan of his.”
Yea, because Randy Levine has a lot of say. Really?? What would make you not a fan of his? Do you even know what he does or what he looks like???
Another example of fans not blaming Cashman for his foul ups. Just like the passes he gets for Igawa and Pavano.
“Plus Cashman will draft a few more kids who need arm surgery before they become awesome”
Ah, the price paid for making the playoffs; draft position
Girardi didn’t do any of the tip the cap stuff. He just said Burnett has been tough against us and he had a lot of early strike counts all day. But the way he said it was more of a shot against the offense than a tip of the cap. You could tell Girardi wasn’t impressed with this team today.
Gabe, I definitely plan on it! Hopefully in the next few weeks so I don’t miss the boat on Jackson and/or Melancon. and I really want to go to a playoff game this year, I know they will be back there and kicking azz again!
Now we got Justin Christian, Chad Moeller and Wilson Betemit.
Moeller’s a catcher who can play, Bet (hey he doesn’t cost much he can traded) Christian is a replacement player on the roster what is your problem. The rules in MLB has changed, if you go over the tax structure your money funds your competition, teams like Tampa, like KC, like Baltimore get more draft picks and $$$ to structure thier team us.
“Just like they are going to get locked into Sabathia or Burnett or someone else for 7 years??
Without giving away prospects too.”
Brandon conveniently forgets that you give up 2 draft picks when you sign a Type A free agent. But what are facts when you are arguing on a blog right????
Hopefully the yanks get their crap in gear for the second half of the season.
Don’t hold your breath.
Just wait until the mighty Sidney Ponson shows his true colors and Moose’s 1st half magic ends.
Things are gonna get even worse if you want my opinion.
Pettitte: we stink right now.
But he did give credit to the bullpen. He threw the pitching and hitting under the bus.
I have no problem with that. It’s the truth.
Brandon conveniently forgets that you give up 2 draft picks when you sign a Type A free agent. But what are facts when you are arguing on a blog right????
Yeah, but they’ll save money on a few TJ surgeries though.
Pettitte: we stink right now.
But he did give credit to the bullpen. He threw the pitching and hitting under the bus.
I have no problem with that. It’s the truth.
I’m sick of hearing all that crap too.
Stop talking about it and do something about it.
We got an average team on our hands.
We have a national league team in the al east. We are the Cardinals basically. A-Rod is Pujols. And 8 other average players around him.
Mark – good, at least he didn’t say the dreaded T.Y.C. words! Hopefully he will let the offense hear it again today, they deserve it. I know Andy didnt pitch great today, but he doesn’t need any outside motivation, he kicks his own butt harder than anyone else could when he loses.
DFox
To stay competitive now, especially with revenue sharing and more parity in the league you have to constantly transition each year to get the right mix veterans, and bring up the rookies. Boston did it with Pedroia , Ellsbury, and all their young pitchers. On top of that I thought at the time, when they got Beckett, they had given up their best pitching prospect and best position player, in Anabel Sanchez and Hanley Ramirez. Their farm system was supposed to be much weaker after that deal. It brought them a WS.
Yes the Yankees may make the playoffs this year when everone comes back.
Look at the FA class of 2009 for position players, and you’ll see very little help for the Yankees there.
There are 3 starting pitchers under the age of 30-Sabathia, Oliver perez and Mark Prior.
Do you really want to resign Abreu and Giambi next year? If we don’t make some trades now, when our minor league position players are not ready in 2009, then we will be stuck with another contract for Abreu, and offering arbitration to Giambi, and making the mistake of upping Mussina.
Nothing like a loss to bring out some hilarious temper tantrums.
And the North (us) have home field (games 3 & 4) for the championship series I believe
Stan lee
One should only wish A-Rod was Pujols!
Don’t hold your breath.
Just wait until the mighty Sidney Ponson shows his true colors and Moose’s 1st half magic ends.
Things are gonna get even worse if you want my opinion.
Or they might get better. We can’t tell the future..
Moose’s 1st half magic is def gonna end? Oh I didn’t get the memo. Can I also have the winning mega million numbers for Tues jackpot. It is 88 million dollars. K. Thnx. Bye
Kevin Youkilis left the game due to an injured arm
Hope this is serious enough to get Giambi on the AS team
yankees=no palyoff
“Moeller’s a catcher who can play, Bet (hey he doesn’t cost much he can traded) Christian is a replacement player on the roster what is your problem. The rules in MLB has changed, if you go over the tax structure your money funds your competition, teams like Tampa, like KC, like Baltimore get more draft picks and $$$ to structure thier team us.”
And we have our Super Fan of the day winner!
Someone who thinks the Yankee bench is good. Wow. And leanr how to spell their bud.
Oriloes have 7 walks so far.
Yet no runs.
Sometimes I think they take bribe money from Bosotn. They always seem to roll over for them.
BBB you’re right about Andy getting down on himself. I was actually glad to hear him call out out the offense too. Kim Jones asked him if he thought the team could get it together for the 2nd half. Pettitte said they have to if they want to be around for October. That’s when he said they stink. You could hear the frustration in his voice. It wasn’t just about his pitching either.
Mantle, Murcer and Munson could have played this game better, even in their current condition.
Maybe Murcer just couldn’t stand to watch any more of this team under Girardi just going through the motions.
Brandon conveniently forgets that you give up 2 draft picks when you sign a Type A free agent. But what are facts when you are arguing on a blog right????
Yes and in this case keeping a 21 year old SP w/ loads of potential is more important then acquiring a SP who is soon to be on the declining phase of his career. When you sign a a Type A FA you release draft picks but in trading for his services and giving up your closer ML ready prospects you hold back your system from helping your future. If Jackson and Hughes and Cano go you have to plug holes, you dip in and sign a Rowand picks go to Philly, you dip in and sign a 2B filler w/ no pop the offense still is what it is. You lose a Jackson instead of having a future CF 2 years away you go back 5 years away. It all effects your roster.
It’s funny because any genius who is watching these Yankees knows the pitching is not the problem, I guess your a special person.
Can we stop beating this “we should have done” excuses as fans and realize during the first half we’ve endured possibly the loss of Hughes, IPK, Wang and Bruney for the whole year. I can’t imagine where the Sux would be right now if they were without Beckett or Wakeman so let’s cheer up.
This season ended as soon as Wang broke his foot.
At least Andy Pettitte had the guts to say what I’ve been waiting for someone to say: “We stink.”
I never want to give up on this team, but it’s getting difficult to do when the offense doesn’t show up on a fairly regular basis. At least they weren’t shut out; at least it wasn’t a complete game for AJ.
Still a little less than half a season to go, though, and with any luck Matsui and Damon will come back fairly healthy, or at least healthy enough to help. And certainly it looks like this team could use the mental break that the All-Star Game affords them.
Amazing. Okajema gets Aubrey Huff. I swear the Yankees have some heavy Clemens steroid karma going on here. And letting Giambi write it into his contract. That was some weak crap there.
Hey wait. Theo knew about Gagne and said to go with him anyway. Why aren’t they getting any payback?
Bob[The original] or Anyone
2 Things:
If you don’t offer arbitration to your FA, therefore becoming unrestricted, you don’t get a 1st round and sandwich {tuna} pick for a Type A FA. Isn’t that correct?
Secondly, which of are FA’s will be Type A’s. I know Farnsworth is a Type A- but that’s his personality!!
From what I understand, signing a Type A free agent loses you one draft pick. The 2nd pick in question that the player’s former team gets is actually a pick created for the signing which goes between rounds 1 and 2.
The draft pick you lose is your top pick, unless it’s in the top 15. In that case, you lose your 2nd round pick.
Brandon you are a grade A moron.
If you have a system as deep and as talented as the Yankees supposedly do it doesn’t matter if you trade some to get in their prime all stars.
And signing free agents costs two high picks. The same picks we got guys like Chamberlain and the Sox got Bucholz.
But I’m sure the Phillies signing Gordon was worth Chamberlain to you.
And we have our Super Fan of the day winner!
Someone who thinks the Yankee bench is good. Wow. And leanr how to spell their bud.
Who said I think the bench is good ? I’m merely pointing out that isn’t a burden, it can go away as quick as that. No one is untradeable or better yet non of the bech players present a salary hit if you release them off this roster. So what’s the problem who are they playing over ? Damon ? Abreu, Alex, Jetes, Cano, Giambi ? Who ?… Exactly shut up.
All things considered, I don’t think you can blame cashman for the poor hitting of the team. If anything, you can see several positives for this team this year. I would say our pitching is much improved this year, even today’s game was one good swing of the bat with a 3 run homer. The homerun pitch wasn’t a bad pitch, it was just a good swing.
The downside has been the hitting, some of which can be attributed to injuries and having our .319 and .323 hitters replaced with .250 and .171 hitters. Abreu and Giambi will be gone next year as well and my thinking is we can get some good hitters in there.
Cashman will be tested as he’ll need to come up with two good replacements for RF and 1B and possibly pick up a good starter. I think 2009 isn’t looking too shabby, but I’d like Gardner to show me something, a few key hits with risp isn’t enough for me.
The Os are definately paid off
Baltimore can go kiss my butt too.
Another bunch of losers.
Them and the Yankees can have a battle of the losers for last place this season.
“I can’t imagine where the Sux would be right now if they were without Beckett or Wakeman so let’s cheer up.”
They have been without Ortiz all yr. Imagine this lineup without A-Rod all yr.
lol, i love the predictions. Some of you need to put your magic 8 balls away.
Jeter: We’ve been playing well I think. Halladay and Burnett that’s the bottom line.
His schtick gets tiresome.
Jeter: Every time you lose a game you can’t say the team is struggling.
That’s what I said about not having enough good faith built up with the fan base. There is no loss where the fans are going to say it was due to unhittable pitching…
Well, at least Andy Pettitte was honest: “We stink right now.”
Tampa loses 7 in a row and we’re still 6 games back. Ugly.
No doubt its the offense but I’m curious if benching or demoting one of the positional players would have an impact. I would love to see another young face for a change
Well guys, as bad as things seem right now, they could be worse. We could be Rays fans, and then we’d have to blog about how our staff ace gave up a home run to Andy Marte. Yeah that’s right, I said Andy Marte. One of the few players in all of baseball who is a worse offensive player than anyone on the Yankees.
Maybe I’m crazy, but I still think the Yanks have a post ASB run in them.
Jeter’s song and dance is getting a little old. “We’ve been playing well” At least Andy is honest.
Jeter is no leader.
BOSTON THIRD BASEMAN KEVIN YOUKILIS LEFT THE GAME IN THE TOP OF THE SIXTH INNING DUE TO A LEFT TRICEPS CONTUSION.
Gee – sounds bad.
WOW what a blow to the Sux
“lol, i love the predictions. Some of you need to put your magic 8 balls away.”
How hard is it to predict that the Yanks won’t make the playoffs?? You don’t need magic.
Today’s and Friday’s loss was due to some excellent pitching by two very good pitchers. Such good pitchers, that Toronto shuffled their rotation in order to be able to pitch them.
There. I said it.
. Who would have figured that Jorge would have a shoulder flame out ?
. Who would have known that Cano would 3 months of cold bat – AGAIN ?
. Who would have figured so much DL time for Wang and Hughes ?
. Who would have thought Melky would be a total underachiever with a bat in his hands ?
. Who would have thought the Captain would start showing his age ?
Above all, who would have figured so many stranded runners for so many games ?
Like any season, there’s peaks and valleys but the 2nd half of the season offers many questions marks and enough to say the playoffs are not very realistic.
Even if by chance the Yankees manage to secure a Wild Card berth there little chance they’ll get past the ALDS.
It looks like this season in Yankee history will be thought of as a transitional one.
Angel reminds me of one of those ugly hags that lives to rag on everybody. Why don’t you go stick your flapping mouth in a bowl of gasoline and light it on fire. You won’t be missed.
Its not hard at all, in face its fairly predictable behavior from a lot of yankee fans. You got a 50% chance of being right, after all.
Of course if they DO make the playoffs you STILL get to be a fan and root for them, but if they don’t you get to say “I told you so”.
Best of both worlds really, isn’t it?
“Tampa loses 7 in a row and we’re still 6 games back”
At least the Yanks are within striking distance – if Tampa Bay had been winning this week the Yanks could have been buried.
Red Sox are missing Ortiz, Schilling and they were without Bucholz and Dice-K for part of the season. And they’re making a run for first place.
I wish it was as simple as the injuries.
“Angel reminds me of one of those ugly hags…”
This coming from someone called Youkilis?
Priceless.
Ok, straight from the Collective Bargaining Agreement, which is available in PDF form from the MLB Player’s Association site:
“(c) A Type A or B shall be subject to compensation only if (i) he signs a contract with another Club prior to December 1; or (ii) he is offered salary arbitration by his former Club on or before December 1 pursuant to Section B(3) of this Article XX and signs a contract with another Club.
For such Type A Players, compensation to the Player’s former Club shallb e an amateur draft choice (”Regular Draft Choice”) of the signing Club and an added amateur draft choice (”Special Draft Choice”) in the Major League Rule 4 Draft. For such Type B Players, compensation to the Player’s former Club shall be a Special Draft Choice in the Major League Rule 4 Draft.
(d) The Regular Draft Choice of the signing Club described in subparagraph (c) above shall not include any selection in the Rule 4 Draft awarded as compensation for failure to sign a Rule 4 Draft selection from the preceding year and shall be assigned as follows. If the signing Club is among the first half of selecting Clubs, excluding selection(s) awarded as compensation for failing to sign a Rule 4 selection from the preceding year, then the choice to be assigned for the highest ranking free agent Player signed by such Club shall be its second choice, with choices in the next following rounds to be assigned as compensation for the signing of the other Players in descending order of ranking. If the signing Club is among the second half of selecting Clubs, excluding any selection(s) awarded as compensation for failing to sign a Rule 4 selection from the preceding year, then such compensation shall begin with the Club’s first choice.
The Special Draft Choices described in subparagraph (c) above shall be additional draft choices to be made immediately following the first complete round of the draft and preceding the commencement of the second round. Clubs that have lost a Type A Player shall receive the first selections, in the reverse order of their won-lost percentage in the preceding season. Following these selections, Clubs that have lost a Type B Player shall receive selections, in reverse order of their won-lost percentage in the preceding season. Ties shall be broken by lot.”
In other words, if you LOSE the Type A Player in question to another team, your compensation is their top eligible pick and a sandwich pick/Special Draft Choice, which is created from thin air for you.
If you SIGN a Type A Player in question from another team, you lose your top eligible pick.
The Yankees need a major overhaul. Melky is one of the worst centerfielders in baseball. The rookies are not staying healthy/performing. And the all-stars are not living up to the expectations.
The Yankees will be chasing the Red Sox for the next five-ten years. Time to get used to it.
I guess you can add Lugo to this list too with a torn left quadriceps
*top eligible pick meaning that the pick is not in the top 15. If your top pick is in the top 15, then your top eligible pick is your 2nd round pick.
The Yankees will be chasing the Red Sox for the next five-ten years. Time to get used to it.
The day the Red Sox have one more world championship than the Yankees I will be a broken person.
Until that day I will consider them a constant pain in the butt but nothing more.
Ok I answered my own questions about Type A FA’s and arbitration.
No offer of arbitration- no draft picks.
A Type A is a player in the top 20% at their position and you get a 1st round and supplemental pick
A Type B is in the top 21%-40% at their position and you only get the supplemental pick between 1st and 2nd rounds.
Giambi making 22M with 5M buyout. Not sure he’ll finish in top 20%. If he declares FA 15 days after the end of the WS, and the Yankees offer him arbitration he’ll get the 5M plus the arbitrator probably won’t give him less than 17-18M. Now Giambi could be a loyal grateful Yankee and decline arbitration when offered, stay a FA and sign with another team, and we’d then get the draft picks. Only a schmuck would do that at age 37!!!!!
Abreu makes 16M-who’s going to replace him? Do you want to offer him or Mussina or Farnsworth or Pettitte new 1-2 year contracts or go thru the arbitration process with them??
Not me.
Cashman-
The FA class is weak, except CC and Sheets. We have no ready position players. Other than “maybe” Pettitte, because he’s a lefty, I would dump those FA’s before the trading deadline and see what you could get to fill the holes we have now and will have in 2009!!
Anyone in agreement???
I’ve got an idea Pete.
How about, instead of taking uncalled for shots at Joe Girardi, you take the time to make sure the series pitching matchups are correct.
I’m ready for the second half of the season. Things will only get better. Yanks are only 5 5.5 GB out of the AL EAST lead. With Wang, Hughes, Kennedy, Sanchez, and Bruney on the way back..that will only help us. Guys..stay positive..
Yankees always push harder in the last 60 games.
Go Yankees!
Kevin
And the Yankees limp into the All – Star Break
This team seems brain dead.
Kevin Long is going to get sacked.
What a sorry way to close out the Stadium this year — stinking through September.
We’re only 5 back – I’m super pumped about that. Bosux will go into their typical swoon – they always do and we’ll get really hot in August – we always do and we should win the division by 2 games this year.
So everyone should stop their worrying and relax – we’re the Yankees. The greatest dynasty in all of sports and we’re playing our last season in the most famous venue in all of sports, Yankee Stadium. The boys won’t let us down. They’ll come back fresh and ready to go after the break. Don’t forget, we get Hughes, Wang, Damon and Matsui back soon after the break. How many teams would love to make a deadline deal for those 4?
Oh yeah, forgot that we get Bruney back too!!!
To those who wrote to ESPN following the A-Rod/Abreu tunnel discussion that they aired, I got this e-mail back from them (it’s BS but they might actually look at it because the letters were sent a week ago so it wasn’t a complete auto-reply):
A note from Le Anne:
I cannot respond personally to all the mail I receive, but I do read and take note of all complaints. When the complaints are specific to a show or to an article on espn.com, I forward them to the producer or editor in charge of that content. When there are several complaints on the same topic, I do a weekly tabulation that becomes part of a report sent to all of ESPN’s top management. (I do the same for positive comments.) I cannot assure you that your complaints or mine will result in action, but I can assure you they are not lost in some cyberspace void. They are read, thought about, disseminated.
Thank you,
Le Anne Schreiber
This red sox game got a little interesting
If Mr. Scary Face blows this game for the sux, it will lessen the pain of today’s Yankee game.
Also, congratulations to Lin Che-Hsuan on winning MVP honours at the Futures game.
“The Yankees are a generally listless team that plays with very little consistency. They have a bunch of guys hurt, a bunch of AAAA players on the roster and a manager and coaching staff with little experience.”
Pete, in a nutshell, is dead on.
Why the hell would Sabathia even want to pitch here? There are only four guys to build around (A-Rod, Chamberlain Wang and Rivera) and Mo will be almost 40 next year.
The rest of the players are either done, close to being done, or not any good.
This is why the offense has to, HAS TO, be upgraded in the offseason. Whether it’s pursuing Tex, or making a major trade, (Matt Holliday) they must do something.
Red Sox won their game. Orioles almost did it. Papelbon almost blew it. Red Sox back in first place.
Last year at this time Papelbon was busy blowing a save in 35 innings of whatever it was.
Sad.
and that’s that.
As gutless as this may sound I’m happy I sold my All Star Game tickets. There’s nothing I feel like seeing at the Stadium plus it’s going to be sad because of Bobby’s death.
To Cashman,
Go get Nady, signed thru 2009 to play RF[also played some 1st]Dump Abreu. Jason Bay will cost more in prospects.
If you want a lefty reliever get Ron Mahay for 4M next year, Marte has a club option for 6M and Fuentes becomes a FA, so Mahay becomes a cheaper option. Better idea-If you could do this deal I’d go for Hong-Chih Kuo of the Dodgers, a 26 yo.lefty, from Taiwan with some very impressive statistics.Would take a top prospect and maybe a hitter to get him.
Burnett would be a gamble, and doubt the Blue Jays trade him in their own division. A starter now would be nice but hopefully Wang and Hughes back before September.
So Cashman, as a die-hard Yankee fan, I wouldn’t mind seeing these players for next year.
C-Posada/Molina
1B-not sure yet-Damon??
2nd B-Cano, unless traded, then sign Orlando Hudson a FA
SS-Jeter-going nowhere else
3B-A-Rod
RF-Nady
CF-Gardner-eventually Jackson
LF-Damon
DH-Matsui-unless traded
Starters:
Chamberlain
Sabathia
Wang
Hughes
? 5th-Pettitte?
Relief:
Rivera
Kuo
Ramirez
Melancon/Robertson/Sanchez
Bruney
Veras
Cashman- To think you could do all this and still reduce the salary by about 15-20%
PS- Don’t be too cheap about the bench!
Back in first where we belong going into the All Star break!WOW, are the Rays tanking or what?
Watch out New York! The boys from Boston are coming to take over the stadium and dugout!
“Kim Jones: Is the break coming at a good time for your team Joe?
Uh, no?
Are her questions pathetically stupid or what.”
I wanted to slap her yesterday when she asked Joe G how hard Bobby’s death was for him. The guy is barely able to speak through tears and that’s the question she comes up with? Why is she still employed? She must have naked pictures of someone that she’s using for blackmail.
How much longer is it going to take for the Yanks and especially Jeter realize that Burnett is not a good pitcher and they are probably the only team who can’t beat him. The guy is a .500 pitcher for a reason to go along with his 5.30 era this year. Does he have good stuff? Yes. But they also helped him out plenty today. Swinging out of the strike zone, swinging at the 1st pitch and letting him off the hook. If they want to give Halladay credit the other day..ok but what about every other absolute garbage pitcher that has completely shut them down this year? Any pitcher with even decent stuff completely shuts them down. It is embarrassing already.
Also great at bat by Cano in the 9th. Ryan almost hit him with 3 pitches then throws 2 pitches off the plate and he hits into a DP. He should of walked on 4 pitches but ofcourse not the moron in his own world swings at everything in sight.
Oh, and Cashman,
Don’t get tricked into signing Teixeira, a Boras client. He hasn’t played all that well for the Braves, but then only Chipper has. In fact the Braves with all their injuries almost mirror the Yankees this year, save 120M dollars!!
Go for Matt Holliday or maybe better Garrett Atkins, whom the Rockies might not be able to retain. Atkins, a 3rdB’man or A-Rod could move to 1st.
Please do something soon, to make us die hard fans, hopeful and proud again about the Yankees!!
“The day the Red Sox have one more world championship than the Yankees I will be a broken person.”
That’s really your only choice now, isn’t it? Live in the past?
I can see it now, 2010 and the red sox have won 3 more championships.
Mark: “We still have 26 championships!
You’re a funny little man mark
2009 team
1B – Miranda
2B – Cano
3B – Arod
SS – Jeter
C – Posada
DH – Matsui
LF – Damon
CF – Gardner
RF – Melky
P – Wang, Pettitte, Mussina, Hughes, Chamberlain
Speaking of Santana though, what would his record be with this offense?? Not that good, and you’d be locked in to many yeare with him, and he would probably blow out his arm.
At least he would be pitching, even before his latest injury Hughes was ineffective with a high ERA and he wasn’t losing games because of lack of run support. If we are re building with a 21 year old that hasn’t been able to pitch most of the last two years I’m feeling real confident about the future.
I’m glad the All Star break is here, perhaps they will take their kids to the batting cages or play a little T ball and come back with some level of playing to their ability. Thank God for some key hits yesterday after they were in a hole, else it would have been a sweep.
Jorge-
That lineup looks like more of the same, and supposedly Miranda is a terrible fielder.
lol Jorge Tabata Mussina in 2009 hahaha thats funny. maybe we can not sign CC and get Moyer 2.
Jorge, it’s the same gang that hasn’t been able to win it over the last few years.
Mussina and Pettite are very doubtful and Matsui has to be a real question mark with his ongoing knee problems.
The young guys like Cano and Melky who need time to gain maturity it seems are making excellent progress. Cano who is now in his third year of learning the strikezone which is something that you don’t do in the minors according to some diehearts here, went 69 AB’s without a walk. Given another 10 years who knows how far they will go.
The youth express is a tad shy on air in several of the tires.
If we’re going to lose abreu and giambi, we’ll need RBI or power hitters.. Melky and Gardner are not going to cut it on this team and you can’t have an entire center field with a combined HR production of 15 :p
I’d like to see Holliday (it will take a LOT), he can field and hit and is an rbi machine. We’ll need that if we lose giambi and abreu which are both at 50+ rbi. Dunno what to do with melky, gardner, and Ajax. None seem to hit worth a lick, I think they are all excellet trade bait. Alone they aren’t worth much but when added with others they might be able to lure some good players from some rebuilding teams.
Sorry, but not EVERY farm player we have is a future all-star waiting to happen. Go after Holliday and CC and we’ll be gold for 2009. Wang, CC, and Joba is all you need for a 2009 ring, because as we all know, pitching wins championships.
AAAA Players ? THAT is what’s wrong with this team ? Really ?
I’m afraid that term doesn’t mean what you think it means. Andy Phillips ? Yeah, AAAA player. Darrel Rasner ? Maybe. But, alas, he didn’t pitch today. Betemit ? Gardner ? Christian ? No, no, and no. One is a utility bench player and the other two are flat out rookies without enough time at the major league level to BE a AAAA player.
So how does too many AAAA players explain Pettitte being mediocre, or A-Rod or Jeter or Abreu ? Anyone ?
Didn’t think so. Maybe we can retire the idiotic cliche buzz words ok ?
What Cashman does between now and the end of 7/31 for personnel moves will be telling.
No moves indicates the white flag has been raised. If he makes moves for the short term, he feels the team can still make a season of it.
If he makes moves for the long term, start thinking about 2009 and beyond.
“CaptainsCorner July 13th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
How much longer is it going to take for the Yanks and especially Jeter realize that Burnett is not a good pitcher and they are probably the only team who can’t beat him. The guy is a .500 pitcher for a reason to go along with his 5.30 era this year.”
AJ burnett is not nearly as pedestrian as you’d like to wrongly believe, he’s done very well against the yankees before this season and it certainly is not just the yankees he makes trouble for, his Career vs red sox = 4-0, 1.98 era in 5 games. When he is healthy he’s a more dominating pitcher than the guy everyone around here seems to wet their pants about, CC sabathia. Granted CC fatbody would be more of lock to eat innings (and everything else that sterling hasnt put his finger in). I for one would be happy for cashman to at least find out what it would take to land him