Pettitte: “We stink”
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The Yankees had 32 plate appearances against A.J. Burnett and 25 of them were over in three pitches or fewer. Only four of those were strikeouts.
Joe Girardi defended his players, saying Burnett was able to get ahead of them. But the Yankees had little interest in grinding the opposing starter down, something that was once a hallmark of this team.
“If we want to make the playoffs we’ve got to be better,” said Andy Pettitte. “We stink right now for the most part. As a team we’ve kind of stunk it up lately.”
Now 50-45, the Yankees are six behind Boston in the East. They gave it a run last year and settled for the wild card. What now?
“We have 67 games to get it right and do a lot of things,” Girardi said.
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At least Andy’s honest.
We’re probably not going to make the playoffs and will fall just short.
It’s a transition season and we’ll be back in 2009.
Unlike the “captain” who I quote, said ” we’ve been playing pretty good”.
Give me a break.
Simple words that sum up so much.
Girardi is a big part of the problem with the Yankees and will still be here next year. If the Yankee FO had any brains they would get rid of Girardi.
“If the Yankee FO had any brains they would get rid of Girardi.”
Amen.
Andy should have been captain. He’s always shown emotion whether the team wins or loses. Even Jeter’s reaction to Bobby’s death was generic and sounded like most of his generic answers to questions. It’s if the team wanted to hurry and get to the All star festivities. I know both Jeter and Arod are hosting parties. I could care less if the team is playing like crap
Hal - get me Zavier Nady.
Sherman says the Rockies want Kennedy for Fuentes.
Yeah that makes alot of sense. Trade for a bullpen arm when our bullpen has been one of our strengths.
I was lookinng at the stats yesterday, and right now our bullpen is statistaclly better than 1998
A lot can change, but that says something.
Way to go Pettitte, going in front of the media and telling the public, “We Stink.” Now you’ll have us Yankee fans believing that. Why don’t you just march into Cashman’s office [you’re a senior spokesman] and demand from him [put it in writing if necessary], what he’s going to do about this “stinking” team?
For lack of better words, and because it was a PG rated statement, Pettitte was completely honest saying ‘this team stinks.’
In my prevous post, towards the end of the in-game thread, I admitted that this is the first year where I can honestly say I am disappointed with this team…as a whole.
That doesn’t mean all parts of it, but in it’s entirety as a team. When the players (except Jeter of course) can readily admitt that their team ’stinks’ it is time for some stepping up and getting the job done as a team.
There are 67 games left, let’s hope our beloved Yankees can turn it on and get us to the postseason when they return from a much needed All Star break.
Brett Gardner was simply overmatched today. Two strikeouts, one a called third strike in three pitches. If you’re a rookie, you can’t take a borderline pitch. We need Matsui back in a big way.
This is why long-term deals to aging players is a really bad idea.
The whole chemistry of this starting lineup has to be changed - which means they need to let Giambi and Abreu walk at the end of the season.
And they need to let Damon and Matsui walk at the end of next season.
But these changes can’t be done overnight. When you make the decision to sign free agents to big contracts, you’ve made your bed for better or for worse for the duration of those contracts.
There is no easy quick fix. Teixeira is not the answer to all their problems.
They need to bring in players who know how to manufacture runs - not wait for the 3-run homer.
If they decide to sign Sabathia - they should package some of the young arms to bring in a capable or versatile bat because a rotation with Sabathia, Pettitte, Wang, Joba, and Hughes will make some of those young arms expendable.
Personally, I think missing the postseason could be a good thing for this team.
it is border-line amusing to read about how Jeter (Girardi…fill in the blank) can’t own up to the fact that team is playing poorly. No doubt you are the same group that yells “throw strikes” at the pitcher in little league games.
Folks - this team has a line-up that is both riddled with injuries and has several guys who are playing poorly but not because of what they say or don’t say.
Take a deep breath- come off the ledge and be patient - they need to try and sell off what they can and continue to build their farm system. There is no overnight, one or two player fix. This will take time.
The chemistry changed with the team by bringing in Girardi. Just ignore the obvious.
Andy spoke for most of us! Injuries and inconsistent play are wrecking us.
Watching this team try to score runs is like watching someone get an injection. You just can’t stop cringing.
“Personally, I think missing the postseason could be a good thing for this team.”
I agree. Because Postseason’s are such an easy task to accomplish. They should be held for granted! We’ll just retool and in 09 continue our dominance.
Didn’t watch Yankee baseball before 95?
Guiseppe
Agree with your statement. Should however try and trade Abreu now to a contender and see what he brings. Same for Mussina and Farnsworth, while they are at their peak. Giambi, with his 23M+/ 5M buyout they are stuck with.
They can still stay competitive if they make the right deals before the deadline. Look at Oakland-gave away Haren at the beginning of the season and recently Harden, and their record is still better than ours with a weak hitting team.
“They have a bunch of guys hurt, a bunch of AAAA players on the roster and a manager and coaching staff with little experience.”
good thing the yankees got rid of all those dinosaurs in tampa and all the coaches who knew something about being a yankee.
i’ve said all along the present coaching staff was a minor league coaching staff.
this team is starting to remind me of the late 80’s teams that had so many stars ,but too many holes to come together as a team.
cashman just has to go. there is no other alternative unless the yankees want to chase false promises for years to come. the man just is not a leader. it doesn’t make him a bad guy, but he’s just in over his head. if there were an election of yankee fans, he ‘d have no chance of winning an election with his track record the past few years.
“Personally, I think missing the postseason could be a good thing for this team.”
I’ll put it to you this way: I’m all for this collection of guys rising up and making the post-season. I’m not for making all these tweaks and changes, trading prospects, etc., in order to lose in the first round again.
Completely agreed that it’s time to let all those guys walk and work on getting younger. I’ve got more than the patience.
“cashman just has to go. there is no other alternative unless the yankees want to chase false promises for years to come. the man just is not a leader. it doesn’t make him a bad guy, but he’s just in over his head. if there were an election of yankee fans, he ‘d have no chance of winning an election with his track record the past few years.”
this has to be the most misguided statement i’ve read in……about 15 minutes or so. still pretty damn bad, though.
Guiseppe,
Matsui and Damon are two of the best players on the team at helping to manufacture runs. I know that the line up right now looks like a mess, and is a huge problem, but you can’t just get rid of everyone.
Abreu- I’m still riding the fence on him. He’s a good player, but when he’s forced to take more of a role (sue to injuries) he comes up small most of the time.
Giambi- He’s had a great year, but his defense is bad and he’s all or nothing a lot of the time. Either re-sign him to be DH on the cheap or let him go. I’d prefer Tex at First base.
Damon- See how his health is at the end of next year. Hoever, if healthy I’d re-sign him. He is a true competitor who always plays hard, has good at bats, and knows how to play fundamental baseball. He brings an energy to the team, and I’d be very hessitant to let him go.
Matsui- He’s probably the teams most consistent hitter. Has a good eye, gives good at bats and has been good in the clutch. I’d re-sign him to be DH assuming Giambi is gone and he stays healthy.
Cano- If the right deal comes alone, I’d trade him in a heartbeat. Even when he’s hitting, he doesn’t have the right approach to the game. I’d take a hitter who can give me pesky tough at bats over Cano.
I agree that changes need to be made, but not everyone on the team now has to go.
There is too much about this $200+ million dollar team that is wrong that it makes no sense to enumerate them all. Besides it has all been covered many times on this site.Just let me say that it is obvious to me that Jeter has lost his fire and desire. Witness his nonchalanting that line drive today and his generic answers to pertinent beat writers questions that deserve answers. Everything on that team flows through him and his attitude is reflected in their play. The opposing pitcher today was on a pitch count and we NEVER tried to work the count. I don’t know why I feel so bad when they play like they did today, when it is obvious they have stopped caring.
First off, neither Cashman nor Girardi is going anywhere.
Hal and Hank have both hinted many times that they want Cashman back.
And they’re certainly not going to fire Girardi after one season - especially not after the way they treated Torre at the end of last season.
The old Boss is not running this team anymore and I don’t remember this team winning rings in the 80s when he was disposing managers as often as he disposed his trash.
I don’t know, do you throw the whole season away to wait for the young ones or make a trade now and try to win it all?
Look at the NL West, every team is under .500. We should be in that division instead of letting the Sox rule us every year.
If I’m the Yankees, I only make moves that will help them this year AND next year, not just rentals. I would be interested in Nady b/c he will help the Yankees this year, and then he could be the right fielder next year. Thats the type of move the Yanks should make, IMO
YT,
I’m not sure just how much the Yanks would get for Abreu. They certainly won’t get something of equal value to two compensatory draft picks - which is what they might get if they simply let him walk.
I wouldn’t mind seeing this team become “sellers” at the deadline, but it’s tough to be sellers when nobody wants to buy what you’re selling.
It’s kind of like the housing market. You can’t sell your house if there are no buyers.
50-45 and only 5 games back in the loss column to the dastardly BoSux,,,is way better off than we should be for all this team has been through and for as poorly as a team it has played. It is always dangerous to NOT put a team totally out when given the chance. Tampa has started its post All-Star collapse early….can you say SUB .500 team ?….The BoSux are no dynasty….It is time that this team started playing up to its ability. To rally around the passing of Bobby Murcer to win a World Series title in the last year of Yankee Stadium would be epic. NEVER GIVE UP ! KEEP MOVING FORWARD !
Is Cashmans’ idea of helping this team going out and signing Richie Sexson? Wow; just what this team needs another over the hill, veteran, strikout machine who can’t reach the Mendoza line as a hitter if his life depended on it. Cashmans’ player evaluations skills are really questionable if you ask me. I really worry about this guy being at the helm of the so called Yankee retooling.
Another thing, We need to play better at home. Going 27-22 at home while the other leaders have great home records is a problem. Maybe the new stadium will help.
This is the worst most unliikable Yankee team in 15 years. Unbelievable that with this payroll it has come to this.
I never want to see Melky, Cano or Betemit in pinstripes again. I hate all 3 of them as players and I wish Cashman would trade these three amigo’s anywhere he can for some guys with heart and who play the game right.
I’m at the point where I’m ready to abandon the season completely and not watch anymore because it is so infuriating watching the three players I mentioned above on a daily basis.
They stink. Their baseball IQ is low and they are terrible to this team chemistry, unless they are all dancing together at the end of the dugout with Molina.
These are the young players we’re supposed to build around? If so, the Yankees will be a disgrace until the next GM comes along and dumps these low baseball IQ losers.
Abreu at least has a clue how to play the game but no heart. He too needs to go immediately. I’d rather see Jason Lane in RF every night than Bobby Abreu. He’s a loser. There’s a reason why he has the rep he’s had in the game as soft.
And Arod certainly picked a fine year to convert to Kabbalah, eh? Someone needs to slap him and tell him to earn his damn money.
The pitching is shockingly good enough to win. But these lackadasical dogs named Cano, Melky, Betemit and Abreu are a disgrace to the uniform and I pray to God that all 4 of them get traded for anything.
Send them to Omar. They’re all Latino. He’ll take him in a heartbeat.
I’d rather have Ryan Church and his concussions than Abreu.
Disgraceful team.
They are done, done, done if Cashman doesn’t make trades and get some real players in here, not these flashy losers.
“this has to be the most misguided statement i’ve read in……about 15 minutes or so. still pretty damn bad, though.”
misguided:
Adjective
mistaken or unwise
cashman and his enablers are the misguided ones.
the dude can’t keep up with theo or the folks in tampa.
teams like the white sox and cubs were at the bottom of their respective leagues in offense last year and they made trades and added free agents and are now have excellent highly ranked offenses.
what did cashman do last winter?
he signed latroy hawkins.
wake up.
the man is a dud as a gm.
on his own, in control of this team, he’s getting killed by these other gms.
“We should be in that division instead of letting the Sox rule us every year.”
I was under the impression that the sox only won the division last year and we had a pretty decent string of owning them and everyone else before that.
Don, In all fairness the Sox have had their share of problems and injuries but are still plugging away. Nancy Drew has stepped up to take Ortiz’s place big time. We could be in a much deeper hole than we are.
TIDROW
There’s nothing wrong with signing Sexson to league minimum. You take a chance, see if he shows anything, maybe can platoon a bit at first, and if he stinks, he can easily be released.
The problem the Yankees have had over the years is that they’ve over-paid in terms of money and years for players, and thus have had no flexibility.
No one thinks Sexson is the answer, but there’s no harm in throwing somethin at the wall and hoping it sticks. They tried it with Hawkins, and it didn’t work, have tried it with Ponson and had mixed results. In 2005 they tried it with Small and Chacon and it took them to game 5 of the ALDS.
Going after Sexson type players can’t be the only strategy, but the move, if made, on it’s own really has no downside. Low risk, potential for some reward.
YankeeJosh,
Damon and Matsui are both going to be 35 yrs old next season.
I’m not suggesting they should get rid of them now. They should just let them walk after the 2009 season.
Keep in mind, this team is guaranteed to have three players in the starting lineup in 2010 who are 35 and over with Posada (39), Jeter (36), and A-Rod (35).
You have to mix in the rest of that starting lineup with a lot of youth or this season’s lack of energy on an everyday basis will be the same in two years.
” I really worry about this guy being at the helm of the so called Yankee retooling.”
worry is an understatement.
“First off, neither Cashman nor Girardi is going anywhere.
Hal and Hank have both hinted many times that they want Cashman back.”
they make not be going anywhere, but fans who know they have no clue about what it takes to run the yankees may just simply decide to go elsewhere till the nimrods either sell the team or turn it over to someone who’s not five years behind the times.
the irony here is that cashman is the one who’s not with it and not up with the times.
Thank you Randy L. for some words of wisdom.
How come every other damn GM in the game can make trades and build clubs and take chances and our GM is coward who in one breath tells us he was trying to win it and in the next signs Hawkins, gives in to Posada’s ridiculous contract demand, goes with 2 rookie pitchers in the rotation with no backup plan and then admits he knew the offense was going to be a problem but did nothing to change/bolster it.
He’s a major dud as a GM and he should be out of here soon.
All you guys who defend him constantly, tell me what he has to hang on his hat on besides Joba. Everything else he’s done in the past 3 years on his own, outside of the draft, has gone to hurt the major league club and make them weaker and weaker.
He’s a bad GM. He’s not a baseball man. He’s a former intern who stuck around took George’s abuse and earned his respect and status for doing so.
That doesn’t mean he knows jack about baseball.
This team was built upon on base percentage.
Yet he favors players like Melky, Cano and Betemit that can’t get on base?
He should be fired if he can’t fix it this year.
There’s no excuse how someone with his resources can fail across the board at his job this year.
The off season plan was a disaster and it’s got all his fingerprints on it.
reading some of these comments is worse than watching the yankees play at times….
Some of you seriously need to step away from the ledge.
We might very well miss the playoffs this year, but we’ve got more talent in our system then we’ve had in ten, fifteen years.
Get over it and think about the big picture once in a while.
There is baseball after this season.
i agree totally rebecca…
Where are Hensley Muelens, Wade Taylor and Jeff Johnson to rescue us??? They were our last can’t miss prospects. I hope it doesn’t turn out this way again.
How was Cashman supposed to know that Cano was going to suck this year? I don’t think anyone expected the Melkman to be this bad offensively. And, Wilson Betemit is definitely not the reason the Yanks look dead. Blame the players, not Cash.
i agree totally rebecca….
Brett Gardner reminds me of the hype that surrounded Pat Kelly.
Please, I’d love to hear some of “real fans” defend the abysmal play of Cano, Cabrera, Abreu and Betemit to me.
Please enlighten me why they are great players and one’s to build around and enjoy watching and win with?
They are losers. Cano and Cabrera have been in the league long enough to learn how to hit, learn how to work a count and get on base and they still fail to grasp fundamentals of hitting. That’s why this offense sucks.
Add in a rookie in Gardner who is getting his first taste of real pitching, add in Betemit who is a bad baseball player and Abreu who plays invisible most nights and there you have it why this offense stinks.
I wish we traded Hughes and Melky for Johan. I know it was a dumb move not to do it. Hughes better pan out because everything else that was rumored in that trade plus him and Melky are duds.
I wish we traded them for Johan and signed Rowland or Cameron for CF.
This team would be much better and we’d still have depth in the minors to come up in the next few years.
Cashman is an idiot.
WOW so many stupid comments I do not know where to start.. I did not see the game today but I have seen this game at least 20 times this yr..
BTW where are all the Tampa fans lately??I thought with all that young talent would keep it up???There offense is Yankee like.. 7 in a row for those might Rays.
Yeah again mental midgets talk about melky and gardner and the other fringe talent.. NAH arod, jeter, giambi, abrue give the $10 mill. + crowd a pass… After all Giambi hit a meaningless HR in the 9th, hell with the 2 and 0 count with 2 men on base fly out…
the Yankee offense literally SUCKS… Giambi has not had a great yr. unless you compare it to his previous terrible years.. The guy is making $21 mill. hitting 4th and hitting sub 200 with RISP… Yeah that is great compared to Cano who has been worse then bad.. Make all the excuses you want any good pitcher who throws hard dominated this team of Clay…
The good news is they did not give up a CG shutout today.. Hell for $200 mill you cannot nor should you expect more.
Arod and JEter apologists, they both have stunk and if you cannot admit that you are delusional.. Jeter slugs like bud harrelson and arod is a clutch as miguel cairo.. abreu is soft as the michelin man, cano as dumb and undisciplined at the plate as Uribe on the white sux, and it goes on from there.. This team needs no pen help they actually can sell some pen arms if they were smart….THIS team offensively is repulsive………Imagine Farnsworth, moose, not being a problem but the offense being the issue….
YECH>>>>>>
Some of you are so contradictive. You guys say long FA contracts are bad and that we should go for Tex. Tex would require a contract like we gave to Giambi. Also, I agree our team is just pathetic. We need the right mix of players who manufacture runs and power. Right now, we are all or nothing and we have been nothing. Stop ragging on Damon and Matsui. Although they are injured, they are the only hitters other than A rod that are batting over 300 and unlike Arod can hit with RISP and drive in runs. What we need is use our prospects to find better players. We have too many pitchers to have openings for them regardless of injuries. Time to trade some when they have value.
GET MATT HOLLIDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TRADE THE NEXT YEAR FREE AGENT LIKE THE INDIANS DID THATS SMART THINKIN
It’s a stretch to think this team could advance past the ALDS and that’s provided they get to the playoffs at all.
This team has injuries but so do other teams. The first half can be summed up with seeing the Yankees beating themselves in too many cases.
Teams they should be beating have their way with the Yankees knowing that early leads are not maintained or built on. The Yankees simply don’t know how to put teams away once they sense a game is half over.
Somebody on this team needs to step up and and be a leader, be vocal.
We certainly haven’t seen leadership out of our Captain this year.
And all you Pollyanna “the prospects are better than ever” get back to me when 1 out of 10 of them become quality major league players.
That’s why you don’t rely on prospects alone to build a team which our imbecile GM has decided to do without adding the other pieces the team needed.
All these minor league names you cling to are NOTHING until they prove otherwise and in the history of the sport, the odds are they will not project and turn out as you all claim they will.
2 years ago Tabata was Manny Jr. How’s that working out?
G. Love,
I am sorry but are you stupid. Trading for Johan would make no freaking difference now except stuck with another contract. Cabrera carried us at the beginning and right now, he is not what is wrong with teh team. He wasn’t expected to be a middle of the order guy. We needed Jeter, Arod, Giambi, Cano, adn Abreu to hit so that Cabrera could do his job. We had Damon and Matsui hitting. Also, signing Cameron would have screwed the chemistry even worse. For one, he would have been gone for the first 25 games and then, he sucks.
I am beginning to think that the people on the ledge that are ready to jump should just….
Oh never mind..too mean
Still a lot of baseball left to be played
G. Love,
Tabata is a none issue right now. They guy is 19 and we can wait 4 yrs for him. Plus, we aren’t counting on him for anything right now.
Cashman deals:
Some of the BAD:
Kevin Brown
Carl pavano(though alot of other teams wanted him)
Randy Johnson(good move at the time but we didn’t get much in return)
Gary Sheffield trade(what we got in return is damaged goods)
Latroy Hawkins
Kei Igawa
Kyle Farnsworth(will admit he’s been better)
letting Pettite go in ‘03, could have used him in ‘04
resigning Clemens in ‘07
There are more but, this is tiresome.
The Good:
David Justice
Hope to God Hughes and Kennedy
Joba
Can’t think of anything else.
Agreed. Giambi has good numbers except for the one that really counts, RISP. There was no way he belonged in the All Star game.
If he trades for Fuentes, I will not watch another game this year.
He’s really not all that good, isn’t what the Yanks need, and Colorado will want way more than he’s worth for him.
It makes no sense and will prove to me Cashman has no clue.
Hopefully it’s just a ploy to drive up his price for someone else.
By the way I was thrilled that Giambi did not make the All Star team. I love the Yankees, but there was no way in hell he deserved to make it.
G love is the classic moron yankee fans talking about OBP of Melky and betemit 2 fringe players but hell forget to mention Jeters OBP or Abreu or Posad. Abreus OBP is down from about 400 to 350 like, same with Derek our hero Jeter, Posada has done absolutely nothing and he is in denial about his defensive deficiencies…
yeah it is Melky’s fault the 9th hitter.. Our 3 ,4 ,and 5 hitters have been jokes this yr.. Arod almost never gets a big hit and ditto for the other 2….
But G love blame it on Betemit and his 103 AB’s hell with jeters 330 AB’s and his miniscule slugging %…….
G love just cannot comprehend moves like Santana have gotten the Yankees in this position which after this seson they will be out of.. G love I will keep it simple so you can comprehend. After the season the Yanks will eliminate $85 mill in bloated and wasted contracts….Understand? They will get rid of ; abreu, kyle, pavano, giambi, moose, and pettitte, and hawkins… IF I am going to fast for your mind please tell me!!!!Then they will have something called money and options to do whatever they want. .Say they overpay for Texiera, $7 yrs at $22 mill.. They will have a swittchitting 1B(good thing, they are lefty heavy) a guy who can field and eliminte the 5 yrs. of having multi dh/1b’s.. after next yr. they will be rid of damon and matsui and have basically eliminated all older, bad fielding DH types if they so choose.
But continue your endless rants about cashman and your moronic whining that the Yanks have not traded for or signed enough older, overpaid, in decline former superstars……..
“We might very well miss the playoffs this year, but we’ve got more talent in our system then we’ve had in ten, fifteen years.”
did the cubs or white sox retool in one year based on the theoretical talent from their minor league system? is that the only way to build a team? did the red sox rebuild from the minor leagues when they added matsuzaka,drew, and lugo?
did you see how fast they pulled the trigger on rich harden after sabathia went to their rivals?
cashman doesn’t seem to have the ability to bring in the big fish anymore .
G. Love is a typical post 1995 Yankee fan. Too spoiled for his own good because of past success.
Fire Cashman. Get rid of this guy. NOW.
Pettitte wasn’t very good, but if Abreu catches that ball, it might be a different game. He’s one of the worst outfielders I’ve ever seen, and he’s become an only slightly above-average hitter. So glad I have to watch him play for only two and a half more months.
I say give him one more chance to pick up a big game pitcher to help us hopefully make it to the playoffs and beyond.
There are always going to be people wanting to play for tomorrow but I say let’s play for THIS year.
no we have scholars talking about following the CUbs!!!!!
Yeah follow the CUbs they have been so successful for the last 100 yrs. or so….
Talk to me in about 2 yrs about the Soriano signing… Yeah Lilly is worth that $14 mill per yr…. They stole ramirez from the morons at Pitt. that is by far there best move…..
Yeah the yansk are in terrible position; a stacked minors, $85 mill off the books, only like 3 over priced junk position players yeah.. I wish for the last few yrs. of a roster of over pirced. old, junk..
yeah clown the yanks should have held onto sheff. hell a 39 yr old, jerk, with declining skills, who wants a contract until he is 42 sounds like a guy I want on my team.. yeah sanchez, clagget, and the other guys they got for sheff are worth nothing.. the yanks want sheffs joke $15 mill a yr. contract back…..
What bothers me the most is people blame Girardi. We are playing the same way under a new manager a year later. No sense of urgency, no desire. When do we stop blaming the manager and start blaming the players.
Girardi has done a better job of managing the bullpen, and down the stretch we don’t have to worry about that imploding. The main problem here as I see it is Cashman.. He passed on Hughes/Kennedy for Santana and right now that looks like a mistake. Ian will never amount to anything and Hughes has been hurt now 2 yrs in a row.
We need some spark plugs, and we don’t have them. Gardner can’t be counted as one, because he can’t hit. Just look at our outfield and you see the problem. No excessive power, no average, no clutch performers.
This teams needs a major change and soon. Getting and offense will be hard in mid-season, but if the season is truly about 2009 then its time to get rid of some dead weight before the deadline and retool for next season.
Am I giving up, no I am not. But I am being a realist. There is no clutch on this team, no desire. Unless we turn into the Rockies from last year it’s just going to be more of the same.
Why pick up a big pitcher, when that is not the problem?
stuart-
what place are the cubs in?
did you see how fast they pulled the trigger on rich harden after sabathia went to their rivals?
Uh, the Cubs haven’t won a World Series in 100 years. There’s a bit of an urgency there since they actually have a shot this season.
The comparison is apples and oranges.
People really need to relax. Some of you sound like you’re going to have a heart attack because of this team.
The one thing that bothered me today was the lack of patience. When Joba made his first start and was on a pitch count, Toronto worked the count to get him out of there. The Yanks consistently failed to do that today. I’m not sure if it’s the coaching staff, or the players refusing to implement the game plan. But either way, it’s not acceptable.
Those of you calling for Cano’s head should note that he has been playing very well for a month now. His average was so low that it’s taking a while to creep back up to respectability. Trading him would be crazy.
I’d trade any of Damon, Matsui, or Abreu in the RIGHT deal. I’d most like to keep Damon as he brings an energy and attitude that the 90’s teams had and that this team seems to be lacking right now.
How bout Abreu plus a prospect for Holliday? Does COL do that deal?
“Any given Sunday” is on MTV right now. Maybe they should sit the Yanks down to watch. Maybe they’d learn a bit about grinding out a win.
No, Colorado wont do that deal as Abreu’s contract ends after this season.
Six games out isn’t the end of the world… just ask a Mets fan whether a 6 game lead is safe.
“There’s a bit of an urgency there since they actually have a shot this season.”
i like urgency. the yankees had no shot this year? then why are we watching?
“The Good:
David Justice
Hope to God Hughes and Kennedy
Joba
Can’t think of anything else.”
I’m no Cashman fan, in fact I hope he get’s canned barring a Yankee World Series but
The A-Rod deal was pretty darn good.
You know, the more I think about some of your thoughts the more I get peeved. We have been waiting years for a World Series. Why do you want to wait until next year, we sound like the old Red Sox. I say play for this year, it’s not like the Yankees don’t have the cash. It is not our money and the Yankees rake in plenty.
Is Andy taking a shot at Girardi Or Cashman? If that is the case he should be send packing.
The only person who’s post I read that actually took a deep breathe and looked at the situation logically was Don Vito A. Bellamo.
Do you people realize how desperate you sound? Trade this guy, be sellers, rebuild, do this, do that, just stop. In the first half of the season the Yankees have played some of the worst baseball I’ve ever seen, due most part to them not hitting in big situations, injuries, etc, and look at the standings: 6 GB in the division and 5.5 GB in the wild card… How can they play any worse in the second half than they did in the first? It’s almost impossible. They’d have to experience all the injuries again, lose A-Rod for a while, lose Jeter for a while, lose Damon, and most of all, not be able to hit with RISP. It’s not going to happen.
There’s so many farm fanboys here it makes me laugh. Get rid of Abreu? Sorry, we all know Abreu is going to heat up. We all know Jeter is going to heat up. We all know Cano is going to heat up.
The bottom line is people, the Red Sox had their chance to put the Yankees in such a hole by this time that the Yankees didn’t even think they had an outside chance at the division. Now, the Yankees are right there.
hope everyone is watching yes show on murder very special if you miss it replay at 10pm
Oh and another thing. Stop with the Girardi talk. Managers are over-rated. This season isn’t going to depend on what Joe Girardi does. He can come to every game wasted and pass out but if the Yankees start hitting with RISP, it’s not going to matter because they are going to win a lot of games anyway.
1) We suck against lefties
2) Richie sexon is hitting 344 with an ops over 1050 against lefties this year
3) why havent we signed him? theres zero risk
Sorry typing on iPhone murcer NOT murder
i like urgency. the yankees had no shot this year? then why are we watching?
If you don’t want to watch - don’t watch. Nobody is forcing you to watch these games.
Urgency is big part of the reason why the Yanks are in position in the first place.
They neglected the farm for so many years and relied on the FA market instead. Now they are paying for that neglect and going to the well so many times for aging players.
Making trades now to win this season might be the dumbest thing they could possibly do. Why sacrifice the future of this club for pieces that may not help them go to the postseason or move beyond the First Round anyways.
Look at what the Sox did in 2006. He got absolutely hammered by RSN for not trading away some of his talented youngsters for quick fixes at the deadline that season.
I’d say that decision to keep those kids worked out pretty well for that club in 2007.
It’s not worth making drastic changes now because this team is more than one or two players away from being a legitimate WS contender.
They need to let things play out the rest of the season and shed some of the fat over the offseason.
Frankly, making the postseason and losing in the ALDS has become tiresome and pointless because they are simply delaying the inevitable. They need to get younger and that can’t happen overnight.
They need a reason to make some well-needed changes with the every day lineup and missing the postseason just might be a blessing in disguise.
DFox, Can I have a puff of what you are smoking? They have all those players that were injured back and are still playing .500 ball!
“I am beginning to think that the people on the ledge that are ready to jump should just….”
No its not mean. In fact, I’ll help you start pushing them off. I have first dibs on G Love though.
“The A-Rod deal was pretty darn good.”
i’ve changed my mind about arod. the numbers are great. but every team he’s on eventually starts to look like arod and the seven dwarves.
i know it’s not likely to happen , but i think the yankees should try to move him to the mets. maybe get santana back.
i have a feeling if arod stays a yankee we’re all going to wake up one day and cringe at something he does just we did with clemens.
Yankees stink this year.
This joe is not that Joe, who make make the team play like a team.
Pathetic.
Farewell playoff.
“is way better off than we should be for all this team has been through”
What the team has been through? Other teams don’t have a 200 million payroll and they also go through injuries. This woe is us attitude is comical.
“We’ll just retool and in 09 continue our dominance.”
Dominance? When was this dominance? A decade ago?
“DFox, Can I have a puff of what you are smoking? They have all those players that were injured back and are still playing .500 ball!”
I don’t think you need anything else to smoke. Do you not recall two players that got injured shortly after that? Oh yeah! The leadoff hitter Johnny Damon who was batting .319 and the DH Matsui who was batting around .323. EVERYONE got injured, and some at different times. They need to at least get Damon back, and they should after the break.
You are right Randy, I think this could be the curse of Arod. He has never won anything except individual awards.
Let’s start a movement to move Arod. Of course who could pay his salary except the Yanks.
randy:
The Cubs replaced Barrett with Geovanny Soto (from within, I believe; huge offensive upgrade), Jacque Jones with Reed Johnson (it’s a wash, offensively), and Cliff Floyd with Fukudome Kousuke (Kousuke’s OPS+ is slightly better).
Pitching-wise, it helped a lot that Wood moved to closer and Dempster went from closer to starter (a very good starter at that). Oh, and that Wood has managed to pitch in 44 games already. Except for his last outing (which was really bad), Marmol’s been fine as a reliever. Lower K/9 rate and nearly the same WHIP compared to his excellent last year; still fine.
Their shortstop, Ryan Theriot, is giving league-average offense this year; he was giving sub-par offense last year. Their second baseman, Mark DeRosa, has also improved, from league-average to above league-average. MVLee, Aramis Ramirez, and Soriano are their usual productive selves.
Not all that much change in the end; more noticable to me is that their 1st in the NL central team from last year didn’t drop off.
I think you’re starting to lose any objectivity you might have had, Randy.
i saw the star ledger today and saw that a colorado scout was in Tampa watching Humberto Sanchez’s rehab start. I guess they want him?
I just read that Ortiz will be returning the night we play the Sox, July 25. I wonder where they will put Drew in the order?
“If you don’t want to watch - don’t watch. Nobody is forcing you to watch these games.”
i’ve made that choice before.
the first time when cbs ruined the team.
i’m a baseball fan first and a yankee fan second. there’s lots to do than watch a baseball lightweight like cashman run the yankees into the ground.
i don’t think this year is over however. if i did , i would be doing something else.
Josh do you understand the rules of baseball?? Sexson has to cler waivers(It hink 10 days) else they need to pay his whole contract about $30 mill. If they wait the 10 days they pay league minimum..
TAHT IS WHY.
Seson a saviour the guy has 60 AB’s aginst lefties so do not fit him for the yankee jersey he will wear to cooperstown..
Yeah Holliday for Abreu and some other crap, why would the rockies do that??? Maybe because they are not as stupid as many of the posters here…..
It is true the Yanks are in good position to make the playoffs because they will be geting back damon and matsui real soon and then hughes and wang… Bruney may help the pen..
Again call me a moron I trade some pen arms…They only have about 10 legit pen arms that can help now.. Were is all the Robertson stinks talk??/ Maybe there is no talk becuase he is 23 and can pitch, same about Edwr, and Veras.. Look at the #’s there pen is loaded and more good players on the way.. But you still hear dumb analysts on nespn and others talk about the Yanks need pen help, they are crazy…
Offer Matsui or Abreu to the DOdgers or Damon(I like and want to keep him) and see what the ycan get back.. Get Ethier and something else.. Ethier is a good player not great but much younger and can play LF or RF….
Give the Dodgers a pen arm also if the ypass on that move and get Laroche or Dewitt or something else back in return…
The Dodgers would be a good trading partner and I am sure Torre likes abreu , damon, or matsui………
get more atheltic(SPEED)…
The jury is out on Gardner I have not seen anything to rule him out of being a future legit ballplayer.. He is 24 and learning, but he can run and has a good eye.. Right now he does not get it that they are not giving him any calls he will learn………
Captain Kankaroo- I have more faith in Captian Jack Sparrow, Captain Ron Or Captain freaking Kankaroo then I do in Jeter. He is a leader of nobody who is more interested in chasing skirt then being captain. Can any of you tell me if you remember the circumsatnces in which Captain Choke was made Captain. I remember clearly. Jete is NOT A LEADER OF MEN. He has no desire to do that job. Just get paid nad laid.
DFox…great posts. I agree with everything except for one thing. Jeter, Abreu, and Cano heating up. I’m not saying they won’t heat up but we’ve been waiting for them to heat up for 95 games. Do I think they have the ability to step it up…sure I do.
But, as I said prior to this post, time is running out. There is plenty of baseball left but more than half the season is over.
That leads me to this question…at what point do we say, okay I guess they are not gonna ‘heat’ up? When September 1st rolls around? Or when we’re mathematically eliminated?
angel
with all due respect, i’ve forgotten more objectivity than you’ve ever remembered. lol.
Wow. Lots of doom and gloom. Not much to be happy about, but jeez.
There was a point last season when I had just about given up and probably posted such. Then a funny thing happened. They went on a terrific tear @ a .750 clip.
Now the likelihood of that happening again is not very good, but there’s always a chance. Unless your team is out 14.5 games or something.
Have faith, guys.
Just do us a favor, please. Stop complaining about it non-stop. If you can’t stand the team, don’t watch them. Just go to espn.com and start watching again when you get your Fuentes or Holliday or whichever magical player is going to make you happy.
Enjoy the all-star break. Take a break, enjoy your life, and get some perspective (or help).
Remember, life is good. At least you’re alive to enjoy it.
With all due respect Randy, not when it comes to Brian Cashman you haven’t.
““The A-Rod deal was pretty darn good.”
i’ve changed my mind about arod. the numbers are great. but every team he’s on eventually starts to look like arod and the seven dwarves.
i know it’s not likely to happen , but i think the yankees should try to move him to the mets. maybe get santana back.
i have a feeling if arod stays a yankee we’re all going to wake up one day and cringe at something he does just we did with clemens.”
The road to moving A-Rod has long gone. Nobody wants that 300 Million dollar contract in my opinion.
Anyway the trade was good because all we lost was Soriano at the time. Cano was brought up because of that. We also got A-Rod at a HUGE discount(10 mil per).
You can say alot of things about A-Rod and his “intangibles” but the deal at the time was a no brainer.
Joe Girardi needs to make like Jim Fassel and guarantee a playoff spot.
blargh-
my point with the cubs is that they’ve built their team back up very quickly. they spent a lot and did it in a very different way than cashman is trying to rebuild the yankees with his own personal plan.
i know you are thoughtful about the game . i just don’t think cashman is up with all the market changes that have taken place .
i think he’s become stuck on a very simplistic and rigid plan .
moves we should make
Trade Deadline:
DO
Try to get Nady
Try to trade Hawkins
Try to trade Abreu, maybe in nady deal?
maybe? Try to get AJ Burnett?
DONT
Get Brian Fuentes
Trade Kyle Farnsworth(He’s getting better)
let go of your main prospects
MAYBE
Get Richie Sexson(it wouldn’t hurt)
2009 FA Market
DO
Try to get Mark Teixeira OR CC Sabathia
If you cant get Nady in TD, Try to get Met Ryan CHurch for Abreu + prospects
If can’t get Tex, then let go of Giambi, then resign him for 5 mil/1 yr.
Try to get Minky back!
Resign Andy Pettitte and mooose
DONT
Try to Trade your main prospects
Try to get Carlos Delgado, please.
Trade matsui or damon.
yeah we have arod and his circus at $27 mill for 9 more glorious yrs….
has there ever been a player so good and so disliked by his own fans???
For the arod groupies why is he so disliked by so many?? Why has he never won anywhere?/ Your responses should be humorous… I know Rob Dibble and the other bluecollar clan are over the top but maybe there is something to a team of all stars worried about there #’s is true and it is not good for the team.. The late 90’s won with shane spencer or chad curtis or other guys but this team cannot win anything with a team of overpriced previous great players…
Cano as an example does not understand that a walk is as good as a hit, I was taught that when I was like 8 yrs old….
the younger yankee fans cannot even spell the word team nor comprehend what that means..
Pettitte should shut his filthy mouth until he proves that he can be an asset to this team. Giving up four runs in the first two innings to a weak Blue Jays team is pathetic.
beneifica are you stoned?/ who the hell is xavier Nady?/ He is at least 28 and not as good as you are fantasizing about.
get carlos delgado?? he is 37 and stinks…
Moose is 39 you want to test your luck next yr..
Please become the GM of the sux, they will lose 100 + games within 2 years with your shrewd moves and great talent evaluation…
jeesh…..
angel-
G.Love has it right to say cashman is a glorified intern. it is what it is.
um stuart, i said DONT get Delgado, cmon!
I’d love to know why it makes some of you pea brains better fans because you are willing to concede this year?
In my book a good fan wants the team to win at all costs. We haven’t won a world series since 2000.
We’re getting further and further away. What’s the common denominator?
The GM. We changed managers. We changed philosophies. But over the years the GM has widdled this team down talent wise while increasing payroll.
Blame it all you want on George and the Tampa mafia, but Cashman has not proven to me once in 3 years that he is a sound talent evaluator of major league baseball players.
He’s not creative with his trades. He doesn’t trade one of the many RH pitchers in the organizational for a positional prospect close enough to sniff the majors.
He’s doing a poor job.
Yes, Jeter, Posada are getting old and aren’t performing well, but it’s the GM’s job to fill in the rest of the team with talent.
What makes you laugh is you people knock Giambi — have you been a fan the past 5 years? We treated Giambi like a red headed step child and each season made sure to have a legitimate 1b option. Olerud, Minky, Clark, etc.
This year, your genius GM decides that Giambi, who was an afterthought, all of sudden is a 1b again?
How’d he come to that realization?
He’s a terrible judge of talent and I’m terrified of what he’s going to do with all the money coming off the books, especially in a off season devoid of impact players outside of CC and Tex.
And if you knock me for citing on base percentage, it just goes to show how little a knowledgeable fan you are.
OBP is the way this team became a great offense over the past 15 years. Undisciplined free swingers, like Soriano, wore out their welcome because they couldn’t be consistent on base threats.
That’s how you score 900 runs. Not hitting .280 with a .300 OBP.
The GM knows this and in the past sought players who fit that mold.
Now we have some of the lowest baseball IQ hitters we’ve had in years and their ignorance is contagious. The guys who normally get on base with good percentages are now up there trying to win the game with one swing because the lineup is not balanced.
But what do I know. I’ve only been a fan since 95 according to some of you geniuses.
I’ve forgotten more about the Yankees than some of you who are knocking me know.
From mlbtraderumors.com
Over the next 10 days, the Yankees will determine whether they are buyers or sellers. According to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, if they think they are still in it then they will target “a lefty reliever and a secondary starting pitcher.” That starting pitcher could be Eric Milton, however he’s 6 weeks away from starting. I’ll add a right handed bat to that list as the Yankees need help against lefties.
Sherman says the Rockies are interested enough in Ian Kennedy to deal Brian Fuentes for him and the Yankees will need to choose both whether they’re in it and how much they want to retain Kennedy. A cheaper option they’re considering is Damaso Marte, says the Pittsburgh Post Gazette’s Dejan Kovacevic. The fact that Marte is now closing in Pittsburgh may have either decreased his availability or increased his price tag, or both. The Cardinals, Mets, Rays and Red Sox are all in the hunt for the lefty.
Kovacevic says the Yankees are suitors for Xavier Nady as well. Nady is a career .320 hitter against lefties and has played in New York before. And then there’s Richie Sexson, who Tim discussed here, and who George A. King III of the New York Post says the Yankees could sign if/when he clears waivers this week.
A compromise of sorts could be to make a move for A.J. Burnett. The opt-out risk at the end of the year is alarming, but the Yankees could use his services this year and beyond, as well as manage his salary and the upside is still tremendous.
Wow to some of the comments in here.
Just…wow
Angel-you’re right. It wouldn’t be too mean. I still need to decide who I’m pushing.
-OT: WTH? They had a Brett Favre rally in Green Bay to bring him back? That is one big mess.
Wow. What a bunch of idiots.
There’s plenty of finger pointing and plenty of blame to be spread around and just as many different opinions here on who’s right and who’s wrong and who should stay and who should go and what needs to be done and when it should be done.
That says that this is just a collection of opinions from a lot of intense posters and they all think their answer is right and everyone else’s is wrong. That’s pretty funny.
Since everyone has an opinion I’ll add mine.
1. Joe Torre didn’t get the Yankees very far in the postseason for a few seasons there. His magic touch wasn’t a cure for the present team.
2. Joe Girardi has made a bullpen pretty solid. Kyle Farnsworth has now pitched 8 games in a row without giving up a hit. I heard that yesterday. Torre mismanaged his bullpen constantly. So we could be in the same position with Torre losing games only with a lousy bullpen instead of missing offense.
It took reading someone else’s post for me to stop and realize that the Red Sox that went 84 years without winning it all aren’t any great shakes because they’ve won 2 rings. These Yankees still made the postseason for the past 12 years and still dominated the division just about all of those years.
So yeah, GT, the Red Sox can kiss my butt. And yes GT, not until they have one more world championship than the Yankees do I think they are anything more than wanabees.
Last I looked I had the right to that opinion. After all everyone else in the world thinks their opinion is the right one. Why not mine!
“I’ve forgotten more about the Yankees than some of you who are knocking me know.”
BULLLLLLL$$$$$$$$$$$*********.
You are the #1 idiot.
^^^
Hey!! It’s one thing for us to call each other idiots. Quite another thing for trolls to do it.
OMG THIS TEAM SUCKS THEY SHOULD TRADE THOSE OVERRATED HACKS!
Trade Hughes and Cano for Fuentes and Holliday!! Trade Kennedy Sanchez Melky and Gardner for Blanton! Montero is as overrated as the rest! Did you see his popup today? Trade him for Meintkiewicz!
Cheer up fans !
The outfield wall could be chain-linked fence and not padded which would see Abreu playing about 15 feet behind 1st base and shaded slightly toward 2nd base.
And fire Cashman and try to hire Sabean!
G. Love the only idiots in this forum are the posters who are trying to tell other posters how they should think and making fun of posters who don’t think or act the way they do. Your thoughts make as much sense as anybody else’s.
hey mel-
aren’t we all having fun tonight!?
randy: I think that another difference maker, to go with the lack of drop off, here as far as our perception of the teams is the injury storms going around. For the most part, Soriano withstanding, the Cubs and White Sox have been very lucky in avoiding injuries to major players. We don’t know what they would be like if they had more noticable injuries. On the other hand, we’re going through a injury riddled season, so we’re seeing the back-up plans being ran through, on top of general underperformance. Our perception of The Plan would be completely different with less injuries and more performing up to norm.
That, and I’m still running with the crop analogy from before.
It’s officially getting scary in here
I’ll take the #1 idiot badge because I have the honesty to tell it like it is. This is badly assembled team of undisciplined hitters without heart. They played in Pittsburgh like it was an imposition. They played today like they couldn’t wait to go on vacation.
I’m wrong?
It’s not the manager. He fixed the bullpen.
It’s the players. Who picked the players? Cashman.
He’s got 2 weeks to shake this team up and find some guys who will show up and battle.
Boston plays Toronto 12 times before the end of the season.
Maybe that’s bad, but I suspect that Halladay and Burnett take a couple games from them, as well, as they did to us this weekend.
“I’d love to know why it makes some of you pea brains better fans because you are willing to concede this year?”
Yeah, that should net you some thoughtful responses.
randy l,
No. Because I’m telling you guys how to think and you’re not listening!!!
“G.Love has it right to say cashman is a glorified intern. it is what it is.”
Color me unsurprised, you’re agreeing with her.
G. Love is a she? I guess I haven’t been paying attention. Not that it makes any difference of course. (That G. Love is a she. Ha ha.)
Angel,
G. Love has a wife. G. Love still hasn’t told me if they’re a he or a she!
blargh-
injuries are no doubt a problem for the yankees.
the problem i have with the crop analogy is that you have to wait so long until it’s proven right or wrong.
it becomes a convenient way for someone who doesn’t know what they are doing to push accountability off into the future.
“G. Love the only idiots in this forum are the posters who are trying to tell other posters how they should think and making fun of posters who don’t think or act the way they do. Your thoughts make as much sense as anybody else’s.”
You know what Mark? Anyone can say what they like in here, and guess what? It works both ways. People on here try to tell me what to say and how to think all the time. I couldn’t care less, I say what I like.
I realize the minute that I put it out there, someone is going to have something to say about it, whether they agree with it or not, thats how a comments section works. I can chose to respond to it, or choose to walk away from my computer and not bother, I have the choice. No one is holding a gun to my head to post here.
However, I have very little tolerance for stupidity, childish tantrums, hysteria and spoiled ass yankee fans, and I won’t apologize for that. I’m sick and tired of those fans making us all look bad.
I’m actually Cashman’s wife.
He forgot to take out the garbage again this morning and told me he still believes in our kids even though they are flunking in school right now…oh and the next crop of kids we bring into the world are going to be all stars.
He asked me for a 5 year extension.
I’m checking to see if Billy Beane is available first.
I always thought G.Love was female. Don’t know where I got that impression from though, Mel. Maybe because I’m used to being confused for a male?
It’s not going to be like prior years,we have a new player (Tampa) We are in third place if you haven’t looked. I really don’t think we can win at a .750 clip the rest of the year. (like last year)
So Angel, you’re a better fan because you embrace poor play, bad baseball and a team that looks like it’s mailing it in at times and just cashing checks?
Angel we’re all in this boat together. The thing I think we all have in common is that we are really disappointed in the first half of the season. After that all bets are off. We have different ideas on what’s right, what’s wrong, whose fault it is, why things are happening and yada yada yada.
There will always be people on the ledge just like there will always be people who think all is ducky. Different strokes for different folks.
I love them all since they are all us. I don’t think the same way some of them do but what makes me right and them wrong?
It’s all good. We’re all here really wanting the Yankees to turn this around. Nobody has a corner on THE one way to do it. I guess it makes people feel better to get their anger or anxiety about the situation out. They can’t yell and scream at the players or management so they yell and scream on the blog and some yell and scream at each other. But since it all comes from love of the team I am not going to judge it. I do the best I can to keep my own head above water and feel for the people who are having trouble with all of this.
No need to make them feel worse with snide comments.
Maybe they can’t, Al - it was definitely a hard slog and a major effort. But thats really no reason to act as if its Armageddon either.
And if there’s one thing I’ve learned about baseball that is inarguable:- Never say never.
with the break in the action, i think it’s a good time to go check out sj’s nephew in the cape league.
Well I’m excited about this bullpen. It seemingly came out of nowhere (to us fans at least). And aside from Rasner (in 7 of his last
the starting pitching has been competitive - and pitching is always the hardest part. Sparking this offense is not a *complete* impossibility. Sure it ain’t pretty. But with Damon and Matsui back, and a position change (now where is 2008’s David Justice, oh and bench Melky) - maybe they can make a run at it.
And so if they tank, what good can come from that? I’ll tell you, bloggerheads. It will get easier to get GOOD SEATS at the stadium. The worse the team, the better the view. In 1995 you could have had the mayor’s seats. It’s something.
Not much in the way of free agency help in 2009 :
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/12/2009-mlb-free-a.html
Remaining Schedule:
(as of today’s date, we’re done with CLE and DET)
JULY:
OAK 3
MIN 3
BAL 3
BOS 3
LAA 1
AUGUST:
LAA 3
TEX 4
LAA 3
MIN 3
KCR 3
TOR 3
BAL 3
BOS 3
TOR 3
SEPTEMBER:
DET 1
TAM 3
SEA 3
LAA 3
TAM 3
WHS 4
BAL 3
TOR 3
BOS 3
Total: 67
*************** News Alert********************
Arod was just spotted taking Big Poppy to Centerfolds.
randy: Yea, it will take a while and accountability will be pushed to years down the line. But it’s a necessity, as all things are ramifications of long past events.
This team is a disgrace.No fire in the belly,no motivation,if they win…. its fine with them..if they lose…same difference.The team realizes this is a rebuilding year,and play accordingly, and now the fans are realizing it also.My question is this: Why did they sign Arod and Jeter and Posada to those humongous contracts last winter?
I am watching th Mutts pound the Rockies and bunt and have fun and Oh WIN. I think I am going to puke.
“But since it all comes from love of the team I am not going to judge it. I do the best I can to keep my own head above water and feel for the people who are having trouble with all of this.
No need to make them feel worse with snide comments.”
I don’t think the love of any team is any excuse for some of the crap thats been posted on this blog in the last year.
None whatsoever - especially not from grown adults. You might not judge it, but we as a fanbase ARE judged on it whether we agree with it or not.
Jetr and Posada. What a bunch of deadbeats
He’s with his kid in Toronto, CRod had to bring the kid there.
reading these comments some might think this is a National’s blog
…..and another thing….why can’t we trade Jeter? He’s not the hood ornament anymore.
“why can’t we trade Jeter?”
No team outside the Yankees would think he’s worth anywhere near 20 million this year or next year, or the 21 million he’s owed for 2010.
Everybody will be in a good mood by Friday, right?
Jeter= Most over rated player in baseball as voted by his peers. Thats why
How about my first place Sox making up 5 games in one week?
How about those 3rd place Yankees treading water for the last week
“…..and another thing….why can’t we trade Jeter? He’s not the hood ornament anymore.”
And the brand new, Yankees shortstop would be… DRUM ROLL…
We could put Arod in his natural position.
We could put Arod in his natural position.
3 Moves, Trade for Nady, Trade for Bedard, activate injured players when ready (Bruney, Matsui, Damon and Wang/Hughes)
1)Trade for Nady, a career .320 hitter vs. lefties. Let him play LF. Move Damon to CF when he returns and Melky to the bench. Send Gardner down to AAA. He’s overmatched. Nady moves to RF next year and we take the picks for Abreu as they will be surely be worth far more than anything any GM with half a brain would offer at the deadline. If Tabata never pans out, we’ve got Nady in his prime instead of Abreu in his decline in RF.
2)DFA Ponson and Trade for Erik Bedard at the deadline, a lefty with top shelf stuff but never part of a winning organization. If CC Sabathia scorns the NYY in the offseason, Bedard makes a nice insurance policy.
3)Leave the bullpen alone except activate Bruney from the DL. Activate when ready Wang/Hughes, Damon and Matsui.
For the playoff push:
Damon-cf
Jeter-ss
Nady-lf
Rodriguez-3b
Matsui-dh
Posada-c
Giambi-1b
Cano-2b
Abreu-rf
Bench: Melky, Betemit, Molina, Gonzalez
Rotation: Wang, Joba, Bedard, Pettitte, Moose
Bullpen: Rivera, Farnsworth, Bruney, Veras, Ramirez, Robertson, Hughes
Jeter= Most over rated player in baseball as voted by his peers. Thats why
and in another poll, those same peers said he was one of the players they would wanna build a team around.
Sounds like some confused peers.
That’s true, who could pay that salary.
“How about my first place Sox making up 5 games in one week?”
You’re welcome and we expect you to return the favor.
By the way, I know this is a long shot, but does anyone have a couple decent tickets for Saturday’s game? My mom is going to be visiting NY and I’d like to buy her a pair as a gift.
Please email at sftweeindieguy@yahoo.com if you do.
Otherwise I’ll be looking at craigslist, ebay, etc. Thanks.
6 games back?
This season is far from over. Sit back and enjoy it.
Big Al,
We have no use for A-rod laying on his back.
If there’s one thing I just can’t stand in sports fandom, it’s all of the amateur psychologists who try to read the players’ minds based on their on-field performance. Saying “so-and-so has no heart”, “so-and-so doesn’t care about winning”, and so on.
I remember people in April saying that Damon was “mailing it in” and “looked like he wanted to retire”. Then he went on a tear and became one of the team’s best hitters.
Someone said the only offseason signing was Hawkins. Well no- we signed A-Rod, by bidding against ourselves. We signed Posada for 4 years instead of 3+ club option. We signed Rivera for 3 years.
This team can still make the playoffs, although even if healthy, I don’t see them going to WS.
They are losing the contracts of Pavano, Farnsworth, Mussina, Abreu, Giambi, Hawkins,Ensberg, and Pettitte gaining some 90+M in revenue.
It’s my understanding that that a FA has until 12/01/08 to accept arbitration, and if they do they are property of the team. If they don’t, they are unrestricted and you don’t get draft picks! Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Someone said sign Giambi for 5M/1 year. He’s currently making 23+M/5M buyout. If offered arbitration they’ll probably have to settle on 17-18M. No way he should be re-signed.
They should not wait until the fall to make trades or sign, what is a very weak FA position player pool. There are only 3 starters under 30 who become FA’s-CC,Oliver Perez and Mark Prior.
Make trades this month that net some return for FA’s that you shouldn’t offer arbitration to and therefore wouldn’t get any picks. Giambi won’t draw any interest, even in August when put on waivers, and not claimed. Therefore see what other contenders will be willing to trade for Abreu and Mussina and Farnsworth now while they still have value.
There will be players whose contracts expire in 2009, and whose teams won’t spend the money for long term deals.
There’s Holliday and Atkins, at Colorado. There’s Jason Bay and Xavier Nady of Pittsburgh. Marte has a club option for 6M. The Pirates don’t want any part of that.
IMO we shoud be traders now, looking for replacements in the areas that will be vacated and are weak. We need good, athletic players, who can work the count and are enthusiastic, plus the mix of veterans.
With all the decent to good pitching prospects, we should be able to get some good young experienced position and/or position prospects back.
Look at the salaries of the most overrated players. $$,$$$,$$$=Jealousy.
Does anyone know for sure that we would get TWO picks for Abreu instead of one?? I’m not sure Abreu ranks that high.
Good one Mel. LOL
I’ve followed Andy Pettitte since he first came up to the team in the early ’90s and I’ve always appreciated his southern manners and quiet demeanor.
However, this remark on the day after Bobby Murcer’s death was inappropriate. Maybe Andy is only expressing his own feelings, but today was not the day to do it.
This is a team that has had a real jolt to it’s soul and needs time to heal. All derisive remarks from any team member can and should wait their turn.
It’s only words Annie, they will be forgotten tomorrow.
Bret the Hitman-
Would be fine to get Nady, but what will Pirates want. What about Bay? What would they want for him, and he has played center, with probably a better arm than Damon.
Erik Bedard was always tough on Boston last year. Seattle will probably want a top flight prospect in return.
Please tell me what prospects are untouchable, what current players are untouchable and untradeable, and then make the trades>
ML-
You have to be in the top 20% of players in RF to get 2 players, and don’t you have to offer arbitration to your player 1st?
There are way too many armchair GMs in here.
Why are Pettitte’s words inappropriate?
Bobby Murcer’s passing had nothing to do with their lackluster play. Today has not been the exception - it’s been the rule many, many times this season.
I’d say that sc