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Pettitte: “We stink”

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 13, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees had 32 plate appearances against A.J. Burnett and 25 of them were over in three pitches or fewer. Only four of those were strikeouts.

Joe Girardi defended his players, saying Burnett was able to get ahead of them. But the Yankees had little interest in grinding the opposing starter down, something that was once a hallmark of this team.

“If we want to make the playoffs we’ve got to be better,” said Andy Pettitte. “We stink right now for the most part. As a team we’ve kind of stunk it up lately.”

Now 50-45, the Yankees are six behind Boston in the East. They gave it a run last year and settled for the wild card. What now?

“We have 67 games to get it right and do a lot of things,” Girardi said.

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454 Responses to “Pettitte: “We stink””

  1. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 July 13th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    At least Andy’s honest.

  2. Jeff July 13th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    We’re probably not going to make the playoffs and will fall just short.

    It’s a transition season and we’ll be back in 2009.

  3. Global Warming July 13th, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    Unlike the “captain” who I quote, said ” we’ve been playing pretty good”.

    Give me a break.

  4. DMan July 13th, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    Simple words that sum up so much.

  5. Dis Custard July 13th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    Girardi is a big part of the problem with the Yankees and will still be here next year. If the Yankee FO had any brains they would get rid of Girardi.

  6. Eugie July 13th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    “If the Yankee FO had any brains they would get rid of Girardi.”

    Amen.

  7. Yankee dave July 13th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Andy should have been captain. He’s always shown emotion whether the team wins or loses. Even Jeter’s reaction to Bobby’s death was generic and sounded like most of his generic answers to questions. It’s if the team wanted to hurry and get to the All star festivities. I know both Jeter and Arod are hosting parties. I could care less if the team is playing like crap

  8. Tank July 13th, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    Hal – get me Zavier Nady.

  9. Global Warming July 13th, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Sherman says the Rockies want Kennedy for Fuentes.

    Yeah that makes alot of sense. Trade for a bullpen arm when our bullpen has been one of our strengths.

  10. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 July 13th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    I was lookinng at the stats yesterday, and right now our bullpen is statistaclly better than 1998

    A lot can change, but that says something.

  11. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    Way to go Pettitte, going in front of the media and telling the public, “We Stink.” Now you’ll have us Yankee fans believing that. Why don’t you just march into Cashman’s office [you're a senior spokesman] and demand from him [put it in writing if necessary], what he’s going to do about this “stinking” team?

  12. JR Yankees July 13th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    For lack of better words, and because it was a PG rated statement, Pettitte was completely honest saying ‘this team stinks.’

    In my prevous post, towards the end of the in-game thread, I admitted that this is the first year where I can honestly say I am disappointed with this team…as a whole.

    That doesn’t mean all parts of it, but in it’s entirety as a team. When the players (except Jeter of course) can readily admitt that their team ‘stinks’ it is time for some stepping up and getting the job done as a team.

    There are 67 games left, let’s hope our beloved Yankees can turn it on and get us to the postseason when they return from a much needed All Star break.

  13. Gardner for AAA July 13th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Brett Gardner was simply overmatched today. Two strikeouts, one a called third strike in three pitches. If you’re a rookie, you can’t take a borderline pitch. We need Matsui back in a big way.

  14. Guiseppe Franco July 13th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    This is why long-term deals to aging players is a really bad idea.

    The whole chemistry of this starting lineup has to be changed – which means they need to let Giambi and Abreu walk at the end of the season.

    And they need to let Damon and Matsui walk at the end of next season.

    But these changes can’t be done overnight. When you make the decision to sign free agents to big contracts, you’ve made your bed for better or for worse for the duration of those contracts.

    There is no easy quick fix. Teixeira is not the answer to all their problems.

    They need to bring in players who know how to manufacture runs – not wait for the 3-run homer.

    If they decide to sign Sabathia – they should package some of the young arms to bring in a capable or versatile bat because a rotation with Sabathia, Pettitte, Wang, Joba, and Hughes will make some of those young arms expendable.

    Personally, I think missing the postseason could be a good thing for this team.

  15. Thomo July 13th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    it is border-line amusing to read about how Jeter (Girardi…fill in the blank) can’t own up to the fact that team is playing poorly. No doubt you are the same group that yells “throw strikes” at the pitcher in little league games.

    Folks – this team has a line-up that is both riddled with injuries and has several guys who are playing poorly but not because of what they say or don’t say.

    Take a deep breath- come off the ledge and be patient – they need to try and sell off what they can and continue to build their farm system. There is no overnight, one or two player fix. This will take time.

  16. Dis Custard July 13th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    The chemistry changed with the team by bringing in Girardi. Just ignore the obvious.

  17. RJPinstripes July 13th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Andy spoke for most of us! Injuries and inconsistent play are wrecking us.

  18. Steve July 13th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Watching this team try to score runs is like watching someone get an injection. You just can’t stop cringing.

  19. Eugie July 13th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    “Personally, I think missing the postseason could be a good thing for this team.”

    I agree. Because Postseason’s are such an easy task to accomplish. They should be held for granted! We’ll just retool and in 09 continue our dominance.

    Didn’t watch Yankee baseball before 95?

  20. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Guiseppe
    Agree with your statement. Should however try and trade Abreu now to a contender and see what he brings. Same for Mussina and Farnsworth, while they are at their peak. Giambi, with his 23M+/ 5M buyout they are stuck with.

    They can still stay competitive if they make the right deals before the deadline. Look at Oakland-gave away Haren at the beginning of the season and recently Harden, and their record is still better than ours with a weak hitting team.

  21. rrandy l. July 13th, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    “They have a bunch of guys hurt, a bunch of AAAA players on the roster and a manager and coaching staff with little experience.”

    good thing the yankees got rid of all those dinosaurs in tampa and all the coaches who knew something about being a yankee.

    i’ve said all along the present coaching staff was a minor league coaching staff.
    this team is starting to remind me of the late 80′s teams that had so many stars ,but too many holes to come together as a team.

    cashman just has to go. there is no other alternative unless the yankees want to chase false promises for years to come. the man just is not a leader. it doesn’t make him a bad guy, but he’s just in over his head. if there were an election of yankee fans, he ‘d have no chance of winning an election with his track record the past few years.

  22. Jorge Steinbrenner July 13th, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    “Personally, I think missing the postseason could be a good thing for this team.”

    I’ll put it to you this way: I’m all for this collection of guys rising up and making the post-season. I’m not for making all these tweaks and changes, trading prospects, etc., in order to lose in the first round again.

    Completely agreed that it’s time to let all those guys walk and work on getting younger. I’ve got more than the patience.

  23. Jorge Steinbrenner July 13th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    “cashman just has to go. there is no other alternative unless the yankees want to chase false promises for years to come. the man just is not a leader. it doesn’t make him a bad guy, but he’s just in over his head. if there were an election of yankee fans, he ‘d have no chance of winning an election with his track record the past few years.”

    this has to be the most misguided statement i’ve read in……about 15 minutes or so. still pretty damn bad, though.

  24. YankeeJosh July 13th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    Guiseppe,

    Matsui and Damon are two of the best players on the team at helping to manufacture runs. I know that the line up right now looks like a mess, and is a huge problem, but you can’t just get rid of everyone.

    Abreu- I’m still riding the fence on him. He’s a good player, but when he’s forced to take more of a role (sue to injuries) he comes up small most of the time.

    Giambi- He’s had a great year, but his defense is bad and he’s all or nothing a lot of the time. Either re-sign him to be DH on the cheap or let him go. I’d prefer Tex at First base.

    Damon- See how his health is at the end of next year. Hoever, if healthy I’d re-sign him. He is a true competitor who always plays hard, has good at bats, and knows how to play fundamental baseball. He brings an energy to the team, and I’d be very hessitant to let him go.

    Matsui- He’s probably the teams most consistent hitter. Has a good eye, gives good at bats and has been good in the clutch. I’d re-sign him to be DH assuming Giambi is gone and he stays healthy.

    Cano- If the right deal comes alone, I’d trade him in a heartbeat. Even when he’s hitting, he doesn’t have the right approach to the game. I’d take a hitter who can give me pesky tough at bats over Cano.

    I agree that changes need to be made, but not everyone on the team now has to go.

  25. Deputy Dawg July 13th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    There is too much about this $200+ million dollar team that is wrong that it makes no sense to enumerate them all. Besides it has all been covered many times on this site.Just let me say that it is obvious to me that Jeter has lost his fire and desire. Witness his nonchalanting that line drive today and his generic answers to pertinent beat writers questions that deserve answers. Everything on that team flows through him and his attitude is reflected in their play. The opposing pitcher today was on a pitch count and we NEVER tried to work the count. I don’t know why I feel so bad when they play like they did today, when it is obvious they have stopped caring.

  26. Guiseppe Franco July 13th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    First off, neither Cashman nor Girardi is going anywhere.

    Hal and Hank have both hinted many times that they want Cashman back.

    And they’re certainly not going to fire Girardi after one season – especially not after the way they treated Torre at the end of last season.

    The old Boss is not running this team anymore and I don’t remember this team winning rings in the 80s when he was disposing managers as often as he disposed his trash.

  27. Big Al July 13th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    I don’t know, do you throw the whole season away to wait for the young ones or make a trade now and try to win it all?
    Look at the NL West, every team is under .500. We should be in that division instead of letting the Sox rule us every year.

  28. EQ10 July 13th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    If I’m the Yankees, I only make moves that will help them this year AND next year, not just rentals. I would be interested in Nady b/c he will help the Yankees this year, and then he could be the right fielder next year. Thats the type of move the Yanks should make, IMO

  29. Guiseppe Franco July 13th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    YT,

    I’m not sure just how much the Yanks would get for Abreu. They certainly won’t get something of equal value to two compensatory draft picks – which is what they might get if they simply let him walk.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing this team become “sellers” at the deadline, but it’s tough to be sellers when nobody wants to buy what you’re selling.

    It’s kind of like the housing market. You can’t sell your house if there are no buyers.

  30. Don Vito A. Bellamo July 13th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    50-45 and only 5 games back in the loss column to the dastardly BoSux,,,is way better off than we should be for all this team has been through and for as poorly as a team it has played. It is always dangerous to NOT put a team totally out when given the chance. Tampa has started its post All-Star collapse early….can you say SUB .500 team ?….The BoSux are no dynasty….It is time that this team started playing up to its ability. To rally around the passing of Bobby Murcer to win a World Series title in the last year of Yankee Stadium would be epic. NEVER GIVE UP ! KEEP MOVING FORWARD ! :-)

  31. TIDROW July 13th, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    Is Cashmans’ idea of helping this team going out and signing Richie Sexson? Wow; just what this team needs another over the hill, veteran, strikout machine who can’t reach the Mendoza line as a hitter if his life depended on it. Cashmans’ player evaluations skills are really questionable if you ask me. I really worry about this guy being at the helm of the so called Yankee retooling.

  32. Big Al July 13th, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    Another thing, We need to play better at home. Going 27-22 at home while the other leaders have great home records is a problem. Maybe the new stadium will help.

  33. G. Love July 13th, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    This is the worst most unliikable Yankee team in 15 years. Unbelievable that with this payroll it has come to this.

    I never want to see Melky, Cano or Betemit in pinstripes again. I hate all 3 of them as players and I wish Cashman would trade these three amigo’s anywhere he can for some guys with heart and who play the game right.

    I’m at the point where I’m ready to abandon the season completely and not watch anymore because it is so infuriating watching the three players I mentioned above on a daily basis.

    They stink. Their baseball IQ is low and they are terrible to this team chemistry, unless they are all dancing together at the end of the dugout with Molina.

    These are the young players we’re supposed to build around? If so, the Yankees will be a disgrace until the next GM comes along and dumps these low baseball IQ losers.

    Abreu at least has a clue how to play the game but no heart. He too needs to go immediately. I’d rather see Jason Lane in RF every night than Bobby Abreu. He’s a loser. There’s a reason why he has the rep he’s had in the game as soft.

    And Arod certainly picked a fine year to convert to Kabbalah, eh? Someone needs to slap him and tell him to earn his damn money.

    The pitching is shockingly good enough to win. But these lackadasical dogs named Cano, Melky, Betemit and Abreu are a disgrace to the uniform and I pray to God that all 4 of them get traded for anything.

    Send them to Omar. They’re all Latino. He’ll take him in a heartbeat.

    I’d rather have Ryan Church and his concussions than Abreu.

    Disgraceful team.

    They are done, done, done if Cashman doesn’t make trades and get some real players in here, not these flashy losers.

  34. randy l. July 13th, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    “this has to be the most misguided statement i’ve read in……about 15 minutes or so. still pretty damn bad, though.”

    misguided:
    Adjective
    mistaken or unwise

    cashman and his enablers are the misguided ones.
    the dude can’t keep up with theo or the folks in tampa.
    teams like the white sox and cubs were at the bottom of their respective leagues in offense last year and they made trades and added free agents and are now have excellent highly ranked offenses.

    what did cashman do last winter?
    he signed latroy hawkins.
    wake up.
    the man is a dud as a gm.

    on his own, in control of this team, he’s getting killed by these other gms.

  35. JoeT 28 in 09!! RIP BM.... .220 average, 17% CS = AL ALL STAR!! July 13th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    “We should be in that division instead of letting the Sox rule us every year.”

    I was under the impression that the sox only won the division last year and we had a pretty decent string of owning them and everyone else before that.

  36. Big Al July 13th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Don, In all fairness the Sox have had their share of problems and injuries but are still plugging away. Nancy Drew has stepped up to take Ortiz’s place big time. We could be in a much deeper hole than we are.

  37. YankeeJosh July 13th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    TIDROW

    There’s nothing wrong with signing Sexson to league minimum. You take a chance, see if he shows anything, maybe can platoon a bit at first, and if he stinks, he can easily be released.

    The problem the Yankees have had over the years is that they’ve over-paid in terms of money and years for players, and thus have had no flexibility.

    No one thinks Sexson is the answer, but there’s no harm in throwing somethin at the wall and hoping it sticks. They tried it with Hawkins, and it didn’t work, have tried it with Ponson and had mixed results. In 2005 they tried it with Small and Chacon and it took them to game 5 of the ALDS.

    Going after Sexson type players can’t be the only strategy, but the move, if made, on it’s own really has no downside. Low risk, potential for some reward.

  38. Guiseppe Franco July 13th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    YankeeJosh,

    Damon and Matsui are both going to be 35 yrs old next season.

    I’m not suggesting they should get rid of them now. They should just let them walk after the 2009 season.

    Keep in mind, this team is guaranteed to have three players in the starting lineup in 2010 who are 35 and over with Posada (39), Jeter (36), and A-Rod (35).

    You have to mix in the rest of that starting lineup with a lot of youth or this season’s lack of energy on an everyday basis will be the same in two years.

  39. randy l. July 13th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    ” I really worry about this guy being at the helm of the so called Yankee retooling.”

    worry is an understatement.

    “First off, neither Cashman nor Girardi is going anywhere.
    Hal and Hank have both hinted many times that they want Cashman back.”

    they make not be going anywhere, but fans who know they have no clue about what it takes to run the yankees may just simply decide to go elsewhere till the nimrods either sell the team or turn it over to someone who’s not five years behind the times.

    the irony here is that cashman is the one who’s not with it and not up with the times.

  40. G. Love July 13th, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    Thank you Randy L. for some words of wisdom.

    How come every other damn GM in the game can make trades and build clubs and take chances and our GM is coward who in one breath tells us he was trying to win it and in the next signs Hawkins, gives in to Posada’s ridiculous contract demand, goes with 2 rookie pitchers in the rotation with no backup plan and then admits he knew the offense was going to be a problem but did nothing to change/bolster it.

    He’s a major dud as a GM and he should be out of here soon.

    All you guys who defend him constantly, tell me what he has to hang on his hat on besides Joba. Everything else he’s done in the past 3 years on his own, outside of the draft, has gone to hurt the major league club and make them weaker and weaker.

    He’s a bad GM. He’s not a baseball man. He’s a former intern who stuck around took George’s abuse and earned his respect and status for doing so.

    That doesn’t mean he knows jack about baseball.

    This team was built upon on base percentage.

    Yet he favors players like Melky, Cano and Betemit that can’t get on base?

    He should be fired if he can’t fix it this year.

    There’s no excuse how someone with his resources can fail across the board at his job this year.

    The off season plan was a disaster and it’s got all his fingerprints on it.

  41. RalphieD July 13th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    reading some of these comments is worse than watching the yankees play at times….

  42. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 July 13th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    Some of you seriously need to step away from the ledge.

    We might very well miss the playoffs this year, but we’ve got more talent in our system then we’ve had in ten, fifteen years.

    Get over it and think about the big picture once in a while.

    There is baseball after this season.

  43. RalphieD July 13th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    i agree totally rebecca…

  44. Jim July 13th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    Where are Hensley Muelens, Wade Taylor and Jeff Johnson to rescue us??? They were our last can’t miss prospects. I hope it doesn’t turn out this way again.

  45. dontfirecash July 13th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    How was Cashman supposed to know that Cano was going to suck this year? I don’t think anyone expected the Melkman to be this bad offensively. And, Wilson Betemit is definitely not the reason the Yanks look dead. Blame the players, not Cash.

  46. RalphieD July 13th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    i agree totally rebecca….

  47. Jim July 13th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Brett Gardner reminds me of the hype that surrounded Pat Kelly.

  48. G. Love July 13th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Please, I’d love to hear some of “real fans” defend the abysmal play of Cano, Cabrera, Abreu and Betemit to me.

    Please enlighten me why they are great players and one’s to build around and enjoy watching and win with?

    They are losers. Cano and Cabrera have been in the league long enough to learn how to hit, learn how to work a count and get on base and they still fail to grasp fundamentals of hitting. That’s why this offense sucks.

    Add in a rookie in Gardner who is getting his first taste of real pitching, add in Betemit who is a bad baseball player and Abreu who plays invisible most nights and there you have it why this offense stinks.

    I wish we traded Hughes and Melky for Johan. I know it was a dumb move not to do it. Hughes better pan out because everything else that was rumored in that trade plus him and Melky are duds.

    I wish we traded them for Johan and signed Rowland or Cameron for CF.

    This team would be much better and we’d still have depth in the minors to come up in the next few years.

    Cashman is an idiot.

  49. stuart July 13th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    WOW so many stupid comments I do not know where to start.. I did not see the game today but I have seen this game at least 20 times this yr..

    BTW where are all the Tampa fans lately??I thought with all that young talent would keep it up???There offense is Yankee like.. 7 in a row for those might Rays.

    Yeah again mental midgets talk about melky and gardner and the other fringe talent.. NAH arod, jeter, giambi, abrue give the $10 mill. + crowd a pass… After all Giambi hit a meaningless HR in the 9th, hell with the 2 and 0 count with 2 men on base fly out…

    the Yankee offense literally SUCKS… Giambi has not had a great yr. unless you compare it to his previous terrible years.. The guy is making $21 mill. hitting 4th and hitting sub 200 with RISP… Yeah that is great compared to Cano who has been worse then bad.. Make all the excuses you want any good pitcher who throws hard dominated this team of Clay…

    The good news is they did not give up a CG shutout today.. Hell for $200 mill you cannot nor should you expect more.

    Arod and JEter apologists, they both have stunk and if you cannot admit that you are delusional.. Jeter slugs like bud harrelson and arod is a clutch as miguel cairo.. abreu is soft as the michelin man, cano as dumb and undisciplined at the plate as Uribe on the white sux, and it goes on from there.. This team needs no pen help they actually can sell some pen arms if they were smart….THIS team offensively is repulsive………Imagine Farnsworth, moose, not being a problem but the offense being the issue….

    YECH>>>>>>

  50. 27 this year July 13th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Some of you are so contradictive. You guys say long FA contracts are bad and that we should go for Tex. Tex would require a contract like we gave to Giambi. Also, I agree our team is just pathetic. We need the right mix of players who manufacture runs and power. Right now, we are all or nothing and we have been nothing. Stop ragging on Damon and Matsui. Although they are injured, they are the only hitters other than A rod that are batting over 300 and unlike Arod can hit with RISP and drive in runs. What we need is use our prospects to find better players. We have too many pitchers to have openings for them regardless of injuries. Time to trade some when they have value.

  51. GET HOLLIDAY July 13th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    GET MATT HOLLIDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  52. GET HOLLIDAY July 13th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    TRADE THE NEXT YEAR FREE AGENT LIKE THE INDIANS DID THATS SMART THINKIN

  53. Brad July 13th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    It’s a stretch to think this team could advance past the ALDS and that’s provided they get to the playoffs at all.
    This team has injuries but so do other teams. The first half can be summed up with seeing the Yankees beating themselves in too many cases.
    Teams they should be beating have their way with the Yankees knowing that early leads are not maintained or built on. The Yankees simply don’t know how to put teams away once they sense a game is half over.
    Somebody on this team needs to step up and and be a leader, be vocal.
    We certainly haven’t seen leadership out of our Captain this year.

  54. G. Love July 13th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    And all you Pollyanna “the prospects are better than ever” get back to me when 1 out of 10 of them become quality major league players.

    That’s why you don’t rely on prospects alone to build a team which our imbecile GM has decided to do without adding the other pieces the team needed.

    All these minor league names you cling to are NOTHING until they prove otherwise and in the history of the sport, the odds are they will not project and turn out as you all claim they will.

    2 years ago Tabata was Manny Jr. How’s that working out?

  55. 27 this year July 13th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    G. Love,

    I am sorry but are you stupid. Trading for Johan would make no freaking difference now except stuck with another contract. Cabrera carried us at the beginning and right now, he is not what is wrong with teh team. He wasn’t expected to be a middle of the order guy. We needed Jeter, Arod, Giambi, Cano, adn Abreu to hit so that Cabrera could do his job. We had Damon and Matsui hitting. Also, signing Cameron would have screwed the chemistry even worse. For one, he would have been gone for the first 25 games and then, he sucks.

  56. S.A.- I believe in this team but can the offense stop being so offensive? July 13th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    I am beginning to think that the people on the ledge that are ready to jump should just….
    Oh never mind..too mean

    Still a lot of baseball left to be played

  57. 27 this year July 13th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    G. Love,

    Tabata is a none issue right now. They guy is 19 and we can wait 4 yrs for him. Plus, we aren’t counting on him for anything right now.

  58. Jim July 13th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Cashman deals:
    Some of the BAD:
    Kevin Brown
    Carl pavano(though alot of other teams wanted him)
    Randy Johnson(good move at the time but we didn’t get much in return)
    Gary Sheffield trade(what we got in return is damaged goods)
    Latroy Hawkins
    Kei Igawa
    Kyle Farnsworth(will admit he’s been better)
    letting Pettite go in ’03, could have used him in ’04
    resigning Clemens in ’07
    There are more but, this is tiresome.

    The Good:
    David Justice
    Hope to God Hughes and Kennedy
    Joba
    Can’t think of anything else.

  59. Big Al July 13th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Agreed. Giambi has good numbers except for the one that really counts, RISP. There was no way he belonged in the All Star game.

  60. Bob(The Original) July 13th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    If he trades for Fuentes, I will not watch another game this year.

    He’s really not all that good, isn’t what the Yanks need, and Colorado will want way more than he’s worth for him.

    It makes no sense and will prove to me Cashman has no clue.

    Hopefully it’s just a ploy to drive up his price for someone else.

  61. Jim July 13th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    By the way I was thrilled that Giambi did not make the All Star team. I love the Yankees, but there was no way in hell he deserved to make it.

  62. stuart July 13th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    G love is the classic moron yankee fans talking about OBP of Melky and betemit 2 fringe players but hell forget to mention Jeters OBP or Abreu or Posad. Abreus OBP is down from about 400 to 350 like, same with Derek our hero Jeter, Posada has done absolutely nothing and he is in denial about his defensive deficiencies…

    yeah it is Melky’s fault the 9th hitter.. Our 3 ,4 ,and 5 hitters have been jokes this yr.. Arod almost never gets a big hit and ditto for the other 2….

    But G love blame it on Betemit and his 103 AB’s hell with jeters 330 AB’s and his miniscule slugging %…….

    G love just cannot comprehend moves like Santana have gotten the Yankees in this position which after this seson they will be out of.. G love I will keep it simple so you can comprehend. After the season the Yanks will eliminate $85 mill in bloated and wasted contracts….Understand? They will get rid of ; abreu, kyle, pavano, giambi, moose, and pettitte, and hawkins… IF I am going to fast for your mind please tell me!!!!Then they will have something called money and options to do whatever they want. .Say they overpay for Texiera, $7 yrs at $22 mill.. They will have a swittchitting 1B(good thing, they are lefty heavy) a guy who can field and eliminte the 5 yrs. of having multi dh/1b’s.. after next yr. they will be rid of damon and matsui and have basically eliminated all older, bad fielding DH types if they so choose.

    But continue your endless rants about cashman and your moronic whining that the Yanks have not traded for or signed enough older, overpaid, in decline former superstars……..

  63. randy l. July 13th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    “We might very well miss the playoffs this year, but we’ve got more talent in our system then we’ve had in ten, fifteen years.”

    did the cubs or white sox retool in one year based on the theoretical talent from their minor league system? is that the only way to build a team? did the red sox rebuild from the minor leagues when they added matsuzaka,drew, and lugo?

    did you see how fast they pulled the trigger on rich harden after sabathia went to their rivals?

    cashman doesn’t seem to have the ability to bring in the big fish anymore .

  64. Guiseppe Franco July 13th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    G. Love is a typical post 1995 Yankee fan. Too spoiled for his own good because of past success.

    Fire Cashman. Get rid of this guy. NOW.

  65. populoso July 13th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Pettitte wasn’t very good, but if Abreu catches that ball, it might be a different game. He’s one of the worst outfielders I’ve ever seen, and he’s become an only slightly above-average hitter. So glad I have to watch him play for only two and a half more months.

  66. Big Al July 13th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    I say give him one more chance to pick up a big game pitcher to help us hopefully make it to the playoffs and beyond.
    There are always going to be people wanting to play for tomorrow but I say let’s play for THIS year.

  67. stuart July 13th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    no we have scholars talking about following the CUbs!!!!!

    Yeah follow the CUbs they have been so successful for the last 100 yrs. or so….

    Talk to me in about 2 yrs about the Soriano signing… Yeah Lilly is worth that $14 mill per yr…. They stole ramirez from the morons at Pitt. that is by far there best move…..

    Yeah the yansk are in terrible position; a stacked minors, $85 mill off the books, only like 3 over priced junk position players yeah.. I wish for the last few yrs. of a roster of over pirced. old, junk..

    yeah clown the yanks should have held onto sheff. hell a 39 yr old, jerk, with declining skills, who wants a contract until he is 42 sounds like a guy I want on my team.. yeah sanchez, clagget, and the other guys they got for sheff are worth nothing.. the yanks want sheffs joke $15 mill a yr. contract back…..

  68. Barry - acigarsmoker.com July 13th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    What bothers me the most is people blame Girardi. We are playing the same way under a new manager a year later. No sense of urgency, no desire. When do we stop blaming the manager and start blaming the players.

    Girardi has done a better job of managing the bullpen, and down the stretch we don’t have to worry about that imploding. The main problem here as I see it is Cashman.. He passed on Hughes/Kennedy for Santana and right now that looks like a mistake. Ian will never amount to anything and Hughes has been hurt now 2 yrs in a row.

    We need some spark plugs, and we don’t have them. Gardner can’t be counted as one, because he can’t hit. Just look at our outfield and you see the problem. No excessive power, no average, no clutch performers.

    This teams needs a major change and soon. Getting and offense will be hard in mid-season, but if the season is truly about 2009 then its time to get rid of some dead weight before the deadline and retool for next season.

    Am I giving up, no I am not. But I am being a realist. There is no clutch on this team, no desire. Unless we turn into the Rockies from last year it’s just going to be more of the same.

  69. Jim July 13th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Why pick up a big pitcher, when that is not the problem?

  70. randy l. July 13th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    stuart-
    what place are the cubs in?

  71. Guiseppe Franco July 13th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    did you see how fast they pulled the trigger on rich harden after sabathia went to their rivals?

    Uh, the Cubs haven’t won a World Series in 100 years. There’s a bit of an urgency there since they actually have a shot this season.

    The comparison is apples and oranges.

  72. ML July 13th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    People really need to relax. Some of you sound like you’re going to have a heart attack because of this team.

    The one thing that bothered me today was the lack of patience. When Joba made his first start and was on a pitch count, Toronto worked the count to get him out of there. The Yanks consistently failed to do that today. I’m not sure if it’s the coaching staff, or the players refusing to implement the game plan. But either way, it’s not acceptable.

    Those of you calling for Cano’s head should note that he has been playing very well for a month now. His average was so low that it’s taking a while to creep back up to respectability. Trading him would be crazy.

    I’d trade any of Damon, Matsui, or Abreu in the RIGHT deal. I’d most like to keep Damon as he brings an energy and attitude that the 90′s teams had and that this team seems to be lacking right now.

    How bout Abreu plus a prospect for Holliday? Does COL do that deal?

  73. Marc from Portland Maine July 13th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    “Any given Sunday” is on MTV right now. Maybe they should sit the Yanks down to watch. Maybe they’d learn a bit about grinding out a win.

  74. PJH July 13th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    No, Colorado wont do that deal as Abreu’s contract ends after this season.

  75. Chris July 13th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    Six games out isn’t the end of the world… just ask a Mets fan whether a 6 game lead is safe.

  76. randy l. July 13th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    “There’s a bit of an urgency there since they actually have a shot this season.”

    i like urgency. the yankees had no shot this year? then why are we watching?

  77. Global Warming July 13th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    “The Good:
    David Justice
    Hope to God Hughes and Kennedy
    Joba
    Can’t think of anything else.”

    I’m no Cashman fan, in fact I hope he get’s canned barring a Yankee World Series but

    The A-Rod deal was pretty darn good.

  78. Big Al July 13th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    You know, the more I think about some of your thoughts the more I get peeved. We have been waiting years for a World Series. Why do you want to wait until next year, we sound like the old Red Sox. I say play for this year, it’s not like the Yankees don’t have the cash. It is not our money and the Yankees rake in plenty.

  79. NYY July 13th, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Is Andy taking a shot at Girardi Or Cashman? If that is the case he should be send packing.

  80. DFox July 13th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    The only person who’s post I read that actually took a deep breathe and looked at the situation logically was Don Vito A. Bellamo.

    Do you people realize how desperate you sound? Trade this guy, be sellers, rebuild, do this, do that, just stop. In the first half of the season the Yankees have played some of the worst baseball I’ve ever seen, due most part to them not hitting in big situations, injuries, etc, and look at the standings: 6 GB in the division and 5.5 GB in the wild card… How can they play any worse in the second half than they did in the first? It’s almost impossible. They’d have to experience all the injuries again, lose A-Rod for a while, lose Jeter for a while, lose Damon, and most of all, not be able to hit with RISP. It’s not going to happen.

    There’s so many farm fanboys here it makes me laugh. Get rid of Abreu? Sorry, we all know Abreu is going to heat up. We all know Jeter is going to heat up. We all know Cano is going to heat up.

    The bottom line is people, the Red Sox had their chance to put the Yankees in such a hole by this time that the Yankees didn’t even think they had an outside chance at the division. Now, the Yankees are right there.

  81. gayle July 13th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    hope everyone is watching yes show on murder very special if you miss it replay at 10pm

  82. DFox July 13th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Oh and another thing. Stop with the Girardi talk. Managers are over-rated. This season isn’t going to depend on what Joe Girardi does. He can come to every game wasted and pass out but if the Yankees start hitting with RISP, it’s not going to matter because they are going to win a lot of games anyway.

  83. Josh July 13th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    1) We suck against lefties

    2) Richie sexon is hitting 344 with an ops over 1050 against lefties this year

    3) why havent we signed him? theres zero risk

  84. gayle July 13th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Sorry typing on iPhone murcer NOT murder

  85. Guiseppe Franco July 13th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    i like urgency. the yankees had no shot this year? then why are we watching?

    If you don’t want to watch – don’t watch. Nobody is forcing you to watch these games.

    Urgency is big part of the reason why the Yanks are in position in the first place.

    They neglected the farm for so many years and relied on the FA market instead. Now they are paying for that neglect and going to the well so many times for aging players.

    Making trades now to win this season might be the dumbest thing they could possibly do. Why sacrifice the future of this club for pieces that may not help them go to the postseason or move beyond the First Round anyways.

    Look at what the Sox did in 2006. He got absolutely hammered by RSN for not trading away some of his talented youngsters for quick fixes at the deadline that season.

    I’d say that decision to keep those kids worked out pretty well for that club in 2007.

    It’s not worth making drastic changes now because this team is more than one or two players away from being a legitimate WS contender.

    They need to let things play out the rest of the season and shed some of the fat over the offseason.

    Frankly, making the postseason and losing in the ALDS has become tiresome and pointless because they are simply delaying the inevitable. They need to get younger and that can’t happen overnight.

    They need a reason to make some well-needed changes with the every day lineup and missing the postseason just might be a blessing in disguise.

  86. Big Al July 13th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    DFox, Can I have a puff of what you are smoking? They have all those players that were injured back and are still playing .500 ball!

  87. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 13th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    “I am beginning to think that the people on the ledge that are ready to jump should just….”

    No its not mean. In fact, I’ll help you start pushing them off. I have first dibs on G Love though.

  88. randy l. July 13th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    “The A-Rod deal was pretty darn good.”

    i’ve changed my mind about arod. the numbers are great. but every team he’s on eventually starts to look like arod and the seven dwarves.

    i know it’s not likely to happen , but i think the yankees should try to move him to the mets. maybe get santana back.

    i have a feeling if arod stays a yankee we’re all going to wake up one day and cringe at something he does just we did with clemens.

  89. Streve July 13th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Yankees stink this year.
    This joe is not that Joe, who make make the team play like a team.
    Pathetic.
    Farewell playoff.

  90. gt July 13th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    “is way better off than we should be for all this team has been through”

    What the team has been through? Other teams don’t have a 200 million payroll and they also go through injuries. This woe is us attitude is comical.

    “We’ll just retool and in 09 continue our dominance.”

    Dominance? When was this dominance? A decade ago?

  91. DFox July 13th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    “DFox, Can I have a puff of what you are smoking? They have all those players that were injured back and are still playing .500 ball!”

    I don’t think you need anything else to smoke. Do you not recall two players that got injured shortly after that? Oh yeah! The leadoff hitter Johnny Damon who was batting .319 and the DH Matsui who was batting around .323. EVERYONE got injured, and some at different times. They need to at least get Damon back, and they should after the break.

  92. Big Al July 13th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    You are right Randy, I think this could be the curse of Arod. He has never won anything except individual awards.
    Let’s start a movement to move Arod. Of course who could pay his salary except the Yanks.

  93. Blargh July 13th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    randy:
    The Cubs replaced Barrett with Geovanny Soto (from within, I believe; huge offensive upgrade), Jacque Jones with Reed Johnson (it’s a wash, offensively), and Cliff Floyd with Fukudome Kousuke (Kousuke’s OPS+ is slightly better).

    Pitching-wise, it helped a lot that Wood moved to closer and Dempster went from closer to starter (a very good starter at that). Oh, and that Wood has managed to pitch in 44 games already. Except for his last outing (which was really bad), Marmol’s been fine as a reliever. Lower K/9 rate and nearly the same WHIP compared to his excellent last year; still fine.

    Their shortstop, Ryan Theriot, is giving league-average offense this year; he was giving sub-par offense last year. Their second baseman, Mark DeRosa, has also improved, from league-average to above league-average. MVLee, Aramis Ramirez, and Soriano are their usual productive selves.

    Not all that much change in the end; more noticable to me is that their 1st in the NL central team from last year didn’t drop off.

  94. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 13th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    I think you’re starting to lose any objectivity you might have had, Randy.

  95. benfica356 July 13th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    i saw the star ledger today and saw that a colorado scout was in Tampa watching Humberto Sanchez’s rehab start. I guess they want him?

  96. Big Al July 13th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    I just read that Ortiz will be returning the night we play the Sox, July 25. I wonder where they will put Drew in the order?

  97. randy l. July 13th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    “If you don’t want to watch – don’t watch. Nobody is forcing you to watch these games.”

    i’ve made that choice before.

    the first time when cbs ruined the team.

    i’m a baseball fan first and a yankee fan second. there’s lots to do than watch a baseball lightweight like cashman run the yankees into the ground.

    i don’t think this year is over however. if i did , i would be doing something else.

  98. stuart July 13th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    Josh do you understand the rules of baseball?? Sexson has to cler waivers(It hink 10 days) else they need to pay his whole contract about $30 mill. If they wait the 10 days they pay league minimum..

    TAHT IS WHY.

    Seson a saviour the guy has 60 AB’s aginst lefties so do not fit him for the yankee jersey he will wear to cooperstown..

    Yeah Holliday for Abreu and some other crap, why would the rockies do that??? Maybe because they are not as stupid as many of the posters here…..

    It is true the Yanks are in good position to make the playoffs because they will be geting back damon and matsui real soon and then hughes and wang… Bruney may help the pen..

    Again call me a moron I trade some pen arms…They only have about 10 legit pen arms that can help now.. Were is all the Robertson stinks talk??/ Maybe there is no talk becuase he is 23 and can pitch, same about Edwr, and Veras.. Look at the #’s there pen is loaded and more good players on the way.. But you still hear dumb analysts on nespn and others talk about the Yanks need pen help, they are crazy…

    Offer Matsui or Abreu to the DOdgers or Damon(I like and want to keep him) and see what the ycan get back.. Get Ethier and something else.. Ethier is a good player not great but much younger and can play LF or RF….

    Give the Dodgers a pen arm also if the ypass on that move and get Laroche or Dewitt or something else back in return…
    The Dodgers would be a good trading partner and I am sure Torre likes abreu , damon, or matsui………

    get more atheltic(SPEED)…

    The jury is out on Gardner I have not seen anything to rule him out of being a future legit ballplayer.. He is 24 and learning, but he can run and has a good eye.. Right now he does not get it that they are not giving him any calls he will learn………

  99. Michael July 13th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    Captain Kankaroo- I have more faith in Captian Jack Sparrow, Captain Ron Or Captain freaking Kankaroo then I do in Jeter. He is a leader of nobody who is more interested in chasing skirt then being captain. Can any of you tell me if you remember the circumsatnces in which Captain Choke was made Captain. I remember clearly. Jete is NOT A LEADER OF MEN. He has no desire to do that job. Just get paid nad laid.

  100. JR Yankees July 13th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    DFox…great posts. I agree with everything except for one thing. Jeter, Abreu, and Cano heating up. I’m not saying they won’t heat up but we’ve been waiting for them to heat up for 95 games. Do I think they have the ability to step it up…sure I do.

    But, as I said prior to this post, time is running out. There is plenty of baseball left but more than half the season is over.

    That leads me to this question…at what point do we say, okay I guess they are not gonna ‘heat’ up? When September 1st rolls around? Or when we’re mathematically eliminated?

  101. randy l. July 13th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    angel

    with all due respect, i’ve forgotten more objectivity than you’ve ever remembered. lol.

  102. mel July 13th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Wow. Lots of doom and gloom. Not much to be happy about, but jeez.

    There was a point last season when I had just about given up and probably posted such. Then a funny thing happened. They went on a terrific tear @ a .750 clip.

    Now the likelihood of that happening again is not very good, but there’s always a chance. Unless your team is out 14.5 games or something.

    Have faith, guys.

    Just do us a favor, please. Stop complaining about it non-stop. If you can’t stand the team, don’t watch them. Just go to espn.com and start watching again when you get your Fuentes or Holliday or whichever magical player is going to make you happy.

    Enjoy the all-star break. Take a break, enjoy your life, and get some perspective (or help).

    Remember, life is good. At least you’re alive to enjoy it.

  103. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 13th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    With all due respect Randy, not when it comes to Brian Cashman you haven’t.

  104. Global Warming July 13th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    ““The A-Rod deal was pretty darn good.”

    i’ve changed my mind about arod. the numbers are great. but every team he’s on eventually starts to look like arod and the seven dwarves.

    i know it’s not likely to happen , but i think the yankees should try to move him to the mets. maybe get santana back.

    i have a feeling if arod stays a yankee we’re all going to wake up one day and cringe at something he does just we did with clemens.”

    The road to moving A-Rod has long gone. Nobody wants that 300 Million dollar contract in my opinion.

    Anyway the trade was good because all we lost was Soriano at the time. Cano was brought up because of that. We also got A-Rod at a HUGE discount(10 mil per).

    You can say alot of things about A-Rod and his “intangibles” but the deal at the time was a no brainer.

  105. Global Warming July 13th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Joe Girardi needs to make like Jim Fassel and guarantee a playoff spot.

  106. randy l. July 13th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    blargh-
    my point with the cubs is that they’ve built their team back up very quickly. they spent a lot and did it in a very different way than cashman is trying to rebuild the yankees with his own personal plan.

    i know you are thoughtful about the game . i just don’t think cashman is up with all the market changes that have taken place .

    i think he’s become stuck on a very simplistic and rigid plan .

  107. benfica356 July 13th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    moves we should make
    Trade Deadline:
    DO
    Try to get Nady
    Try to trade Hawkins
    Try to trade Abreu, maybe in nady deal?
    maybe? Try to get AJ Burnett?
    DONT
    Get Brian Fuentes
    Trade Kyle Farnsworth(He’s getting better)
    let go of your main prospects
    MAYBE
    Get Richie Sexson(it wouldn’t hurt)
    2009 FA Market
    DO
    Try to get Mark Teixeira OR CC Sabathia
    If you cant get Nady in TD, Try to get Met Ryan CHurch for Abreu + prospects
    If can’t get Tex, then let go of Giambi, then resign him for 5 mil/1 yr.
    Try to get Minky back!
    Resign Andy Pettitte and mooose
    DONT
    Try to Trade your main prospects
    Try to get Carlos Delgado, please.
    Trade matsui or damon.

  108. stuart July 13th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    yeah we have arod and his circus at $27 mill for 9 more glorious yrs….

    has there ever been a player so good and so disliked by his own fans???

    For the arod groupies why is he so disliked by so many?? Why has he never won anywhere?/ Your responses should be humorous… I know Rob Dibble and the other bluecollar clan are over the top but maybe there is something to a team of all stars worried about there #’s is true and it is not good for the team.. The late 90′s won with shane spencer or chad curtis or other guys but this team cannot win anything with a team of overpriced previous great players…

    Cano as an example does not understand that a walk is as good as a hit, I was taught that when I was like 8 yrs old….

    the younger yankee fans cannot even spell the word team nor comprehend what that means..

  109. CanIGetAMooseCall July 13th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Pettitte should shut his filthy mouth until he proves that he can be an asset to this team. Giving up four runs in the first two innings to a weak Blue Jays team is pathetic.

  110. stuart July 13th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    beneifica are you stoned?/ who the hell is xavier Nady?/ He is at least 28 and not as good as you are fantasizing about.

    get carlos delgado?? he is 37 and stinks…

    Moose is 39 you want to test your luck next yr..

    Please become the GM of the sux, they will lose 100 + games within 2 years with your shrewd moves and great talent evaluation…

    jeesh…..

  111. randy l. July 13th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    angel-

    G.Love has it right to say cashman is a glorified intern. it is what it is.

  112. benfica356 July 13th, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    um stuart, i said DONT get Delgado, cmon!

  113. G. Love July 13th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    I’d love to know why it makes some of you pea brains better fans because you are willing to concede this year?

    In my book a good fan wants the team to win at all costs. We haven’t won a world series since 2000.

    We’re getting further and further away. What’s the common denominator?

    The GM. We changed managers. We changed philosophies. But over the years the GM has widdled this team down talent wise while increasing payroll.

    Blame it all you want on George and the Tampa mafia, but Cashman has not proven to me once in 3 years that he is a sound talent evaluator of major league baseball players.

    He’s not creative with his trades. He doesn’t trade one of the many RH pitchers in the organizational for a positional prospect close enough to sniff the majors.

    He’s doing a poor job.

    Yes, Jeter, Posada are getting old and aren’t performing well, but it’s the GM’s job to fill in the rest of the team with talent.

    What makes you laugh is you people knock Giambi — have you been a fan the past 5 years? We treated Giambi like a red headed step child and each season made sure to have a legitimate 1b option. Olerud, Minky, Clark, etc.

    This year, your genius GM decides that Giambi, who was an afterthought, all of sudden is a 1b again?

    How’d he come to that realization?

    He’s a terrible judge of talent and I’m terrified of what he’s going to do with all the money coming off the books, especially in a off season devoid of impact players outside of CC and Tex.

    And if you knock me for citing on base percentage, it just goes to show how little a knowledgeable fan you are.

    OBP is the way this team became a great offense over the past 15 years. Undisciplined free swingers, like Soriano, wore out their welcome because they couldn’t be consistent on base threats.

    That’s how you score 900 runs. Not hitting .280 with a .300 OBP.

    The GM knows this and in the past sought players who fit that mold.

    Now we have some of the lowest baseball IQ hitters we’ve had in years and their ignorance is contagious. The guys who normally get on base with good percentages are now up there trying to win the game with one swing because the lineup is not balanced.

    But what do I know. I’ve only been a fan since 95 according to some of you geniuses.

    I’ve forgotten more about the Yankees than some of you who are knocking me know.

  114. benfica356 July 13th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    From mlbtraderumors.com
    Over the next 10 days, the Yankees will determine whether they are buyers or sellers. According to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, if they think they are still in it then they will target “a lefty reliever and a secondary starting pitcher.” That starting pitcher could be Eric Milton, however he’s 6 weeks away from starting. I’ll add a right handed bat to that list as the Yankees need help against lefties.

    Sherman says the Rockies are interested enough in Ian Kennedy to deal Brian Fuentes for him and the Yankees will need to choose both whether they’re in it and how much they want to retain Kennedy. A cheaper option they’re considering is Damaso Marte, says the Pittsburgh Post Gazette’s Dejan Kovacevic. The fact that Marte is now closing in Pittsburgh may have either decreased his availability or increased his price tag, or both. The Cardinals, Mets, Rays and Red Sox are all in the hunt for the lefty.

    Kovacevic says the Yankees are suitors for Xavier Nady as well. Nady is a career .320 hitter against lefties and has played in New York before. And then there’s Richie Sexson, who Tim discussed here, and who George A. King III of the New York Post says the Yankees could sign if/when he clears waivers this week.

    A compromise of sorts could be to make a move for A.J. Burnett. The opt-out risk at the end of the year is alarming, but the Yankees could use his services this year and beyond, as well as manage his salary and the upside is still tremendous.

  115. S.A.- I believe in this team but can the offense stop being so offensive? July 13th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Wow to some of the comments in here.
    Just…wow

    Angel-you’re right. It wouldn’t be too mean. I still need to decide who I’m pushing. :P

    -OT: WTH? They had a Brett Favre rally in Green Bay to bring him back? That is one big mess.

  116. Yankee Fans = Stupid July 13th, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Wow. What a bunch of idiots.

  117. mark - Play Moeller! Yankees can win it all with the players they have. July 13th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    There’s plenty of finger pointing and plenty of blame to be spread around and just as many different opinions here on who’s right and who’s wrong and who should stay and who should go and what needs to be done and when it should be done.

    That says that this is just a collection of opinions from a lot of intense posters and they all think their answer is right and everyone else’s is wrong. That’s pretty funny.

    Since everyone has an opinion I’ll add mine.

    1. Joe Torre didn’t get the Yankees very far in the postseason for a few seasons there. His magic touch wasn’t a cure for the present team.

    2. Joe Girardi has made a bullpen pretty solid. Kyle Farnsworth has now pitched 8 games in a row without giving up a hit. I heard that yesterday. Torre mismanaged his bullpen constantly. So we could be in the same position with Torre losing games only with a lousy bullpen instead of missing offense.

    It took reading someone else’s post for me to stop and realize that the Red Sox that went 84 years without winning it all aren’t any great shakes because they’ve won 2 rings. These Yankees still made the postseason for the past 12 years and still dominated the division just about all of those years.

    So yeah, GT, the Red Sox can kiss my butt. And yes GT, not until they have one more world championship than the Yankees do I think they are anything more than wanabees.

    Last I looked I had the right to that opinion. After all everyone else in the world thinks their opinion is the right one. Why not mine!

  118. Yankee Fans = Stupid July 13th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    “I’ve forgotten more about the Yankees than some of you who are knocking me know.”

    BULLLLLLL$$$$$$$$$$$*********.

    You are the #1 idiot.

  119. mel July 13th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    ^^^

    Hey!! It’s one thing for us to call each other idiots. Quite another thing for trolls to do it.

  120. Overreactionary Yankees Fan July 13th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    OMG THIS TEAM SUCKS THEY SHOULD TRADE THOSE OVERRATED HACKS!

    Trade Hughes and Cano for Fuentes and Holliday!! Trade Kennedy Sanchez Melky and Gardner for Blanton! Montero is as overrated as the rest! Did you see his popup today? Trade him for Meintkiewicz!

  121. Zach July 13th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    Cheer up fans !

    The outfield wall could be chain-linked fence and not padded which would see Abreu playing about 15 feet behind 1st base and shaded slightly toward 2nd base.

  122. Overreactionary Yankees Fan July 13th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    And fire Cashman and try to hire Sabean!

  123. mark - Play Moeller! Yankees can win it all with the players they have. July 13th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    G. Love the only idiots in this forum are the posters who are trying to tell other posters how they should think and making fun of posters who don’t think or act the way they do. Your thoughts make as much sense as anybody else’s.

  124. randy l. July 13th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    hey mel-
    aren’t we all having fun tonight!?

  125. Blargh July 13th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    randy: I think that another difference maker, to go with the lack of drop off, here as far as our perception of the teams is the injury storms going around. For the most part, Soriano withstanding, the Cubs and White Sox have been very lucky in avoiding injuries to major players. We don’t know what they would be like if they had more noticable injuries. On the other hand, we’re going through a injury riddled season, so we’re seeing the back-up plans being ran through, on top of general underperformance. Our perception of The Plan would be completely different with less injuries and more performing up to norm.

    That, and I’m still running with the crop analogy from before.

  126. lil' m July 13th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    It’s officially getting scary in here

  127. G. Love July 13th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    I’ll take the #1 idiot badge because I have the honesty to tell it like it is. This is badly assembled team of undisciplined hitters without heart. They played in Pittsburgh like it was an imposition. They played today like they couldn’t wait to go on vacation.

    I’m wrong?

    It’s not the manager. He fixed the bullpen.

    It’s the players. Who picked the players? Cashman.

    He’s got 2 weeks to shake this team up and find some guys who will show up and battle.

  128. Mrs. Mickey Rivers July 13th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Boston plays Toronto 12 times before the end of the season.
    Maybe that’s bad, but I suspect that Halladay and Burnett take a couple games from them, as well, as they did to us this weekend.

  129. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 13th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    “I’d love to know why it makes some of you pea brains better fans because you are willing to concede this year?”

    Yeah, that should net you some thoughtful responses.

  130. mel July 13th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    randy l,

    No. Because I’m telling you guys how to think and you’re not listening!!!

  131. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 13th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    “G.Love has it right to say cashman is a glorified intern. it is what it is.”

    Color me unsurprised, you’re agreeing with her.

  132. mark - Play Moeller! Yankees can win it all with the players they have. July 13th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    G. Love is a she? I guess I haven’t been paying attention. Not that it makes any difference of course. (That G. Love is a she. Ha ha.)

  133. mel July 13th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Angel,

    G. Love has a wife. G. Love still hasn’t told me if they’re a he or a she! :)

  134. randy l. July 13th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    blargh-

    injuries are no doubt a problem for the yankees.

    the problem i have with the crop analogy is that you have to wait so long until it’s proven right or wrong.

    it becomes a convenient way for someone who doesn’t know what they are doing to push accountability off into the future.

  135. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 13th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    “G. Love the only idiots in this forum are the posters who are trying to tell other posters how they should think and making fun of posters who don’t think or act the way they do. Your thoughts make as much sense as anybody else’s.”

    You know what Mark? Anyone can say what they like in here, and guess what? It works both ways. People on here try to tell me what to say and how to think all the time. I couldn’t care less, I say what I like.

    I realize the minute that I put it out there, someone is going to have something to say about it, whether they agree with it or not, thats how a comments section works. I can chose to respond to it, or choose to walk away from my computer and not bother, I have the choice. No one is holding a gun to my head to post here.

    However, I have very little tolerance for stupidity, childish tantrums, hysteria and spoiled ass yankee fans, and I won’t apologize for that. I’m sick and tired of those fans making us all look bad.

  136. G. Love July 13th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    I’m actually Cashman’s wife.

    He forgot to take out the garbage again this morning and told me he still believes in our kids even though they are flunking in school right now…oh and the next crop of kids we bring into the world are going to be all stars.

    He asked me for a 5 year extension.

    I’m checking to see if Billy Beane is available first.

  137. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 13th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    I always thought G.Love was female. Don’t know where I got that impression from though, Mel. Maybe because I’m used to being confused for a male? :)

  138. Big Al July 13th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    It’s not going to be like prior years,we have a new player (Tampa) We are in third place if you haven’t looked. I really don’t think we can win at a .750 clip the rest of the year. (like last year)

  139. G. Love July 13th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    So Angel, you’re a better fan because you embrace poor play, bad baseball and a team that looks like it’s mailing it in at times and just cashing checks?

  140. mark - Play Moeller! Yankees can win it all with the players they have. July 13th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Angel we’re all in this boat together. The thing I think we all have in common is that we are really disappointed in the first half of the season. After that all bets are off. We have different ideas on what’s right, what’s wrong, whose fault it is, why things are happening and yada yada yada.

    There will always be people on the ledge just like there will always be people who think all is ducky. Different strokes for different folks.

    I love them all since they are all us. I don’t think the same way some of them do but what makes me right and them wrong?

    It’s all good. We’re all here really wanting the Yankees to turn this around. Nobody has a corner on THE one way to do it. I guess it makes people feel better to get their anger or anxiety about the situation out. They can’t yell and scream at the players or management so they yell and scream on the blog and some yell and scream at each other. But since it all comes from love of the team I am not going to judge it. I do the best I can to keep my own head above water and feel for the people who are having trouble with all of this.

    No need to make them feel worse with snide comments.

  141. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 13th, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Maybe they can’t, Al – it was definitely a hard slog and a major effort. But thats really no reason to act as if its Armageddon either.

    And if there’s one thing I’ve learned about baseball that is inarguable:- Never say never.

  142. randy l. July 13th, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    with the break in the action, i think it’s a good time to go check out sj’s nephew in the cape league.

  143. ZeusRules July 13th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Well I’m excited about this bullpen. It seemingly came out of nowhere (to us fans at least). And aside from Rasner (in 7 of his last 8) the starting pitching has been competitive – and pitching is always the hardest part. Sparking this offense is not a *complete* impossibility. Sure it ain’t pretty. But with Damon and Matsui back, and a position change (now where is 2008′s David Justice, oh and bench Melky) – maybe they can make a run at it.

    And so if they tank, what good can come from that? I’ll tell you, bloggerheads. It will get easier to get GOOD SEATS at the stadium. The worse the team, the better the view. In 1995 you could have had the mayor’s seats. It’s something.

  144. No sleep 'til Brooklyn July 13th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Not much in the way of free agency help in 2009 :

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ree-a.html

  145. Mrs. Mickey Rivers July 13th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Remaining Schedule:

    (as of today’s date, we’re done with CLE and DET)

    JULY:

    OAK 3
    MIN 3
    BAL 3
    BOS 3
    LAA 1

    AUGUST:

    LAA 3
    TEX 4
    LAA 3
    MIN 3
    KCR 3
    TOR 3
    BAL 3
    BOS 3
    TOR 3

    SEPTEMBER:

    DET 1
    TAM 3
    SEA 3
    LAA 3
    TAM 3
    WHS 4
    BAL 3
    TOR 3
    BOS 3

    Total: 67

  146. Joe July 13th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    *************** News Alert********************

    Arod was just spotted taking Big Poppy to Centerfolds.

  147. Blargh July 13th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    randy: Yea, it will take a while and accountability will be pushed to years down the line. But it’s a necessity, as all things are ramifications of long past events.

  148. pounder July 13th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    This team is a disgrace.No fire in the belly,no motivation,if they win…. its fine with them..if they lose…same difference.The team realizes this is a rebuilding year,and play accordingly, and now the fans are realizing it also.My question is this: Why did they sign Arod and Jeter and Posada to those humongous contracts last winter?

  149. Michael July 13th, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    I am watching th Mutts pound the Rockies and bunt and have fun and Oh WIN. I think I am going to puke.

  150. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 13th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    “But since it all comes from love of the team I am not going to judge it. I do the best I can to keep my own head above water and feel for the people who are having trouble with all of this.

    No need to make them feel worse with snide comments.”

    I don’t think the love of any team is any excuse for some of the crap thats been posted on this blog in the last year.
    None whatsoever – especially not from grown adults. You might not judge it, but we as a fanbase ARE judged on it whether we agree with it or not.

  151. Michael July 13th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    Jetr and Posada. What a bunch of deadbeats

  152. Big Al July 13th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    He’s with his kid in Toronto, CRod had to bring the kid there.

  153. RalphieD July 13th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    reading these comments some might think this is a National’s blog

  154. pounder July 13th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    …..and another thing….why can’t we trade Jeter? He’s not the hood ornament anymore.

  155. Blargh July 13th, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    “why can’t we trade Jeter?”

    No team outside the Yankees would think he’s worth anywhere near 20 million this year or next year, or the 21 million he’s owed for 2010.

  156. Nick in SF July 13th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Everybody will be in a good mood by Friday, right?

  157. Michael July 13th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Jeter= Most over rated player in baseball as voted by his peers. Thats why

  158. Joe July 13th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    How about my first place Sox making up 5 games in one week?

  159. Michael July 13th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    How about those 3rd place Yankees treading water for the last week

  160. DFox July 13th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    “…..and another thing….why can’t we trade Jeter? He’s not the hood ornament anymore.”

    And the brand new, Yankees shortstop would be… DRUM ROLL…

  161. Big Al July 13th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    We could put Arod in his natural position.

  162. Big Al July 13th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    We could put Arod in his natural position.

  163. Bret the Hitman July 13th, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    3 Moves, Trade for Nady, Trade for Bedard, activate injured players when ready (Bruney, Matsui, Damon and Wang/Hughes)

    1)Trade for Nady, a career .320 hitter vs. lefties. Let him play LF. Move Damon to CF when he returns and Melky to the bench. Send Gardner down to AAA. He’s overmatched. Nady moves to RF next year and we take the picks for Abreu as they will be surely be worth far more than anything any GM with half a brain would offer at the deadline. If Tabata never pans out, we’ve got Nady in his prime instead of Abreu in his decline in RF.

    2)DFA Ponson and Trade for Erik Bedard at the deadline, a lefty with top shelf stuff but never part of a winning organization. If CC Sabathia scorns the NYY in the offseason, Bedard makes a nice insurance policy.

    3)Leave the bullpen alone except activate Bruney from the DL. Activate when ready Wang/Hughes, Damon and Matsui.

    For the playoff push:

    Damon-cf
    Jeter-ss
    Nady-lf
    Rodriguez-3b
    Matsui-dh
    Posada-c
    Giambi-1b
    Cano-2b
    Abreu-rf

    Bench: Melky, Betemit, Molina, Gonzalez

    Rotation: Wang, Joba, Bedard, Pettitte, Moose

    Bullpen: Rivera, Farnsworth, Bruney, Veras, Ramirez, Robertson, Hughes

  164. S.A.- I believe in this team but can the offense stop being so offensive? July 13th, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Jeter= Most over rated player in baseball as voted by his peers. Thats why

    and in another poll, those same peers said he was one of the players they would wanna build a team around.

    Sounds like some confused peers.

  165. Big Al July 13th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    That’s true, who could pay that salary.

  166. pat July 13th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    “How about my first place Sox making up 5 games in one week?”

    You’re welcome and we expect you to return the favor.

  167. Nick in SF July 13th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    By the way, I know this is a long shot, but does anyone have a couple decent tickets for Saturday’s game? My mom is going to be visiting NY and I’d like to buy her a pair as a gift.

    Please email at sftweeindieguy@yahoo.com if you do.

    Otherwise I’ll be looking at craigslist, ebay, etc. Thanks.

  168. Dan July 13th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    6 games back?
    This season is far from over. Sit back and enjoy it.

  169. mel July 13th, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Big Al,

    We have no use for A-rod laying on his back.

  170. DanKirby July 13th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    If there’s one thing I just can’t stand in sports fandom, it’s all of the amateur psychologists who try to read the players’ minds based on their on-field performance. Saying “so-and-so has no heart”, “so-and-so doesn’t care about winning”, and so on.

    I remember people in April saying that Damon was “mailing it in” and “looked like he wanted to retire”. Then he went on a tear and became one of the team’s best hitters.

  171. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Someone said the only offseason signing was Hawkins. Well no- we signed A-Rod, by bidding against ourselves. We signed Posada for 4 years instead of 3+ club option. We signed Rivera for 3 years.

    This team can still make the playoffs, although even if healthy, I don’t see them going to WS.

    They are losing the contracts of Pavano, Farnsworth, Mussina, Abreu, Giambi, Hawkins,Ensberg, and Pettitte gaining some 90+M in revenue.

    It’s my understanding that that a FA has until 12/01/08 to accept arbitration, and if they do they are property of the team. If they don’t, they are unrestricted and you don’t get draft picks! Please correct me if I’m wrong.

    Someone said sign Giambi for 5M/1 year. He’s currently making 23+M/5M buyout. If offered arbitration they’ll probably have to settle on 17-18M. No way he should be re-signed.

    They should not wait until the fall to make trades or sign, what is a very weak FA position player pool. There are only 3 starters under 30 who become FA’s-CC,Oliver Perez and Mark Prior.

    Make trades this month that net some return for FA’s that you shouldn’t offer arbitration to and therefore wouldn’t get any picks. Giambi won’t draw any interest, even in August when put on waivers, and not claimed. Therefore see what other contenders will be willing to trade for Abreu and Mussina and Farnsworth now while they still have value.

    There will be players whose contracts expire in 2009, and whose teams won’t spend the money for long term deals.
    There’s Holliday and Atkins, at Colorado. There’s Jason Bay and Xavier Nady of Pittsburgh. Marte has a club option for 6M. The Pirates don’t want any part of that.

    IMO we shoud be traders now, looking for replacements in the areas that will be vacated and are weak. We need good, athletic players, who can work the count and are enthusiastic, plus the mix of veterans.

    With all the decent to good pitching prospects, we should be able to get some good young experienced position and/or position prospects back.

  172. mel July 13th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Look at the salaries of the most overrated players. $$,$$$,$$$=Jealousy.

  173. ML July 13th, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Does anyone know for sure that we would get TWO picks for Abreu instead of one?? I’m not sure Abreu ranks that high.

  174. Big Al July 13th, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    Good one Mel. LOL :-)

  175. Annie Savoy July 13th, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    I’ve followed Andy Pettitte since he first came up to the team in the early ’90s and I’ve always appreciated his southern manners and quiet demeanor.

    However, this remark on the day after Bobby Murcer’s death was inappropriate. Maybe Andy is only expressing his own feelings, but today was not the day to do it.

    This is a team that has had a real jolt to it’s soul and needs time to heal. All derisive remarks from any team member can and should wait their turn.

  176. Big Al July 13th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    It’s only words Annie, they will be forgotten tomorrow.

  177. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Bret the Hitman-
    Would be fine to get Nady, but what will Pirates want. What about Bay? What would they want for him, and he has played center, with probably a better arm than Damon.

    Erik Bedard was always tough on Boston last year. Seattle will probably want a top flight prospect in return.

    Please tell me what prospects are untouchable, what current players are untouchable and untradeable, and then make the trades>

  178. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    ML-
    You have to be in the top 20% of players in RF to get 2 players, and don’t you have to offer arbitration to your player 1st?

  179. jw July 13th, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    There are way too many armchair GMs in here.

  180. Guiseppe Franco July 13th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Why are Pettitte’s words inappropriate?

    Bobby Murcer’s passing had nothing to do with their lackluster play. Today has not been the exception – it’s been the rule many, many times this season.

    I’d say that scoring 2 runs or less 32 times this season is a pretty good indicator of that.

  181. PAT M. July 13th, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Get Raul Ibanez…This lineup is in dire need of a RBI RH hitter…When Damon comes back, start him in CF, use Melky as a defensive late inning guy until he learns plate disipline….Cano has great talent, his track record is a second half hitter…..Pitching both the starters and the pen actually has been above average…Offensively has been the issue…One can only hope that they wake up and start to meeting expectations…..You dance with who you brought to the dance, and this is our date for the season….

  182. zellyanks91 July 13th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    6 GB in the AL EAST… 5.5 GB in the Wild Card. The season has just begun. People were quitting on the team when they were 9.5 GB behind the Rays…now they have lost 7 in a row. the Yankees always turn it on in the last 60 games. Plus..the Yanks-Rays-Sox all face each other many more times during the remainder of the season..so there is a lot of baseball to be played. Go Yankees!

    Kevin

  183. myrtlebeachfan July 13th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    We haven;t had our entire offense intact for very long. That is what’s killing this team.

    Gardner is not ready for the Majors. It’s evident. Melky has been sliding and Cano has been slowly putting things back together.

    Once they get back in the lineup, things are going to be a lot different. Damon and Matsui have been, arguably, our two best hitters this year. They’re both out atm.

    Let’s see how things go. Our ace is hurt. Our future ace is hurt. Things have gone pretty badly for us so far. Give us a healthy team, and We’ve got 8 more wins at least.

    The 2nd half is always better for us, so if we can win 40 games in the second half, we’re in good shape for the wild card. I don;t think it’s unreasonable to expect 40 at all.

    40-27 may get the wild card. But even 42-25 isn’t out of reach. Let’s see if Tampa continues to collapse and if Boston suffers any major injuries to Beckett or DiceK – or even Papsmear / Manny.

  184. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    PAT M.
    Ibanez is a lefty but does hit lefties well!

  185. ML July 13th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Right, I’m wondering if anyone knows if Abreu would qualify as top 20%. And I believe that you’re right and arbitration needs to be offered. I doubt Abreu would accept it, so it’s probably not an issue.

  186. Guiseppe Franco July 13th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    I don’t care what happens over the next few weeks, there will not be any big splashes at the deadline.

    All signs clearly indicate that Cashman is not going to pull the trigger.

    And you know what? He shouldn’t.

    This team is not just a player or two away from being legit WS contenders. They are several players away.

    And you can’t sell players if other teams aren’t buying. At least they can get compensatory draft picks in return for letting these guys walk at the end of the season (Abreu, Farnsworth, and Moose).

    BTW, for those still harping on Phil Hughes – you should take a good look at the rosters today in the Futures Game.

    Eleven of the eighteen pitchers on both squads were older than Phil Hughes.

    Give the kid a chance to do his thing before you guys give up on him. Some guy named Josh Beckett landed on the DL a whopping EIGHT times before he was traded to the Red Sox in 2006.

  187. ML July 13th, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Please god, no Bedard! Haven’t you folks been following his injury? It sounds terrible. He could be another Mark Prior.

  188. Bret the Hitman July 13th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    ML-Abreu hits 3rd behind Damon and Jeter, a large part of the reason for his 59 RBI’s. He’s well positioned to reach the 100 RBI milestone, making him a surefire Type A free agent ;)

    Yankee Trader- To sum up my moves for the Yankees to make a run at it and position themselves beyond this season as well.

    1)Trade for Nady

    I like Bay and Holliday but both are franchise players and will carry hefty pricetags. Nady’s .320 lifetime line against lefties fills our biggest offensive need and does it cheaply. As you know, Nady’s versatile too as he can also play 1b, a good backup plan should the team choose to pass on Giambi next year (smart move), forgo another albatross contract (Teixeira) and ultimately test-run Posada or Betemit there. Nady could be a stopgap to Tabata or Montero.

    The Pirates are rumored to want two top pitching prospects for him. How about Ian Kennedy and Dellin Betances? Too much? How about the Pirates toss in Marte? Not enough? Maybe the Yankees add in McCutchen? We can make it work. I know for a fact the Pirates like Kennedy as they demanded him in the Mike Gonzalez trade talks if I remember correctly.

    2)Trade for Bedard

    Insurance for CC should he decide to sign with another team. I would offer Alan Horne, Humberto Sanchez, Jose Tabata and JB Cox.

    3)Activate Wang/Hughes, Damon, Matsui and Bruney. If Wang returns then he’s our ace and Hughes becomes the long man in the pen. If Wang stays injured then Hughes makes the rotation as the fifth starter (instead of Rasner to finish out the season.

    Some fans may say that I’m selling the farm but I disagree. Take a look at our future pitching in this scenario. Bedard is under 29. Wang is 27. CC is 27. Chamberlain and Hughes are 22. Add Pettitte and we can keep Hughes in AAA all season as insurance to go along with Aceves and maybe Ohlendorf.

    We still have Brackman, Garcia, McAllister, Cole and Heredia in the minors too for depth.

  189. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    ML
    Abreu’s ranking, I think is based on just the final 2008 statistics, or is it 2007 and 2008? I’ll look that up.

    He’s competing with Markakis, Drew,Dye,Ordonez,Guillen,Guerrero,Rios,Fukudome,Griffey,to name a few.

  190. ML July 13th, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    Bret,

    You’re crazy. You would be selling the farm. No one wants Bedard right now due to his injury, and Seattle looks foolish for giving up so much for him. And now you want to give 4 top prospects for him!

    And thank you, I’m aware that Abreu hits 3rd behind Damon and Jeter. I don’t need your patronizing response. Does 100 RBI’s automatically mean that he would qualify as a Type 1 free agent with two picks as compensation?? Can someone lay out the criteria that determine who is in the top 20%?? Is there a formula?

  191. mark - Play Moeller! Yankees can win it all with the players they have. July 13th, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    For the record Yankees are 6 games back, but 5 in the loss column and the Red Sox have played two more games than the Yankees. I really wouldn’t be too worried about those numbers.

  192. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    ML and others:

    A club may receive draft pick compensation if it loses a FA if: 1.] the player signs with another club before 12/02/2008 and 2] If arbitration was offered but the club failed to resign the player.

    The compensation is based on the Elias Sport’s Bureau ranking
    of all major league players by position, based on performance of the last 2 seasons.

    Type A ranks in top 20% by their position and the club receives a 1st round pick and supplemental pick between the 1st & 2nd rounds.

    Type B ranks in the top 21-40% and the club is awarded a supplemental pick between 1st and 2nd rounds.

    Based on 2 years Abreu might very well be in the top 20%
    Pavano worth nada
    Giambi a Tpe A-doubt it
    Mussina a Type A-close, depending on his 2nd half.
    Farnsworth is a Type A- but it’s his personality

  193. PAT M. July 13th, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    Thanks Yankee Trader, I knew that ( brain cramp )…It’s was his ability to hit righthanders and he’s clutch….Several people have pointed out the adversity that the clubes had to deal with….Hell, 3 of the four starters are out, two .300 hitters are out as one ( Matsui ) is a 25 HR , 100 RBI hitter…..They do need to be tweaked a little…..Posada needs to understand that his role has shifted, he’s going to be the team’s DH and part-time catcher as he plays out the rather lucrative contract that was awarded to him……Playing in October is very do able as the team continues the retooling that started in mid 2005 with Wang, Cano and Melky……As for Gardner, he has some upside, but you can’t steal first….Yanks get hot win 92 games, makes the playoffs, and I win my $ 300.00 over / under wager…..

  194. Bret the Hitman July 13th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    ML-

    The Mariners overpaid for Bedard big time. Don’t disagree with you there. I offered 4 injury cases to the Mariners, 3 TJ guys: Horne, Sanchez and Cox and Tabata with his wrist bone injury. If the Yankees could get him for less, I’d be all for it. Bedard, when healhy and right is a potential ace and, as another poster mentioned, dominates Boston.

    As for the Abreu thing, I wasn’t trying to patronize you, I was just reminding everyone about his inflated RBI statline and hinting how, although we don’t see him fit for the 3 hole, his position can benefit us in the draft.

  195. Bret the Hitman July 13th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    ML-

    “No one wants Bedard”

    I doubt that.

  196. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

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    42-27 to win 92 games, playing in one of the toughest divisions this year. “Better” or “Bettor” get the team back to full strength in a hurray!!

  197. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 14) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 13th, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    I doubt that.

    You can doubt it, but it’s true. Even John Heyman called him a loser, flatout said “Bedard is a loser” it’s on WFAN’s audio recap. He gets to 90-100 pitches and all the sudden quits, gets to the 6th inning quits. Seattle is pissed off w/ him, he even went on Philly radio and stated

    “I never had a problem with teammates ever in my life. Maybe the media, yeah.” (THAT’S A LIE)

    Why?

    “Just because they say what they want and stuff like that.”
    (HE BLAMES MEDIA, THAT SHOULD GO WELL IN NY)

    How’s he been pitching?

    “Not bad, I’m just not going that deep into games.”
    (AND HE’S BRITTLE)

  198. PAT M. July 13th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Waiting to see waht the 2nd half lines are like…I do know that the Tigers are 16-1 right now to win the AL….The futures for the 2nd half are due by Tuesday…..Yanks will cover, they always do…They have been the favorite in almost 85 % of the games played so far this season….They are do to break out, it’s just a question as to when…..Their on the clock….

  199. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Bret-
    Yes to the Nady deal. No to giving up Sanchez in a Bedard deal. He was the top prospect in the Sheffield deal. CC might be too expensive in terms of years his agent will want. Marte guaranteed 6M club option next year, which Pirates won’t do.

    “We still have Garcia.” Which pitcher is that- If you think we should sign Freddy Garcia it would be worth a shot at a one year contract with incentives.

    Look at Hong-Chih Kuo, 26 yo lefty pitcher of the Dodgers.
    Look up his statistics, he’s lights out and I would definitely consider some of our top prospects for him. The only thing is the Dodgers closer Saito just got injured, but they do have Broxton who could close. Kuo often pitches 3 innings at a time. Future starter??

  200. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 14) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 13th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Think this how much teams are swaying away from Bedard, the Phillies a team who is pitching starved rather speak to Billy Beane about Justin Duchscherer. Also they are close to getting AJ Burnett from Toronto.

    They will also be suitors for Brian Fuentes.

  201. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    Brandon- It seems that the Phillies and St Louis, to keep up plus the Mets are serious players in improving for their runs. The NL West is a crapshoot, and a good pickup by the Dodgers or Arizona, who both need hitting would help.
    The league that wins the All Star game usually has won the WS lately, but the NL top contenders,, especially the Cubs are looking much stronger than ever

  202. PAT M. July 13th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Living in Orange County, I see many Dodger & Angel games….Dodgers may pull off the West as they have some injured guys coming back….But the Cubs have to be considered a legit contender to winn it all…..Angels are a very dangerous squad, a little spotty offensively but very good pitching, great team speed & they play outstanding defense…..Scoscia is the games best MGR.,or at the very least a top 3 mgr….

  203. bru July 13th, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    they have to get an ace for next year,maybe cc,weeks or peavey so they will have the best 123 punch something like cc,wang,joba,that is a great start,pettitte 4th,hughes 5th.let all the fa go,giambi,mussina,hawkins,pavano,abraeu,keep pettitte and maybe farns.the bullpen can be veras,bruney,farns,mo,maybe sanchez and add a free agent or .damon in left,matsui dh,get rid of melky and get a real cf,nady in right or go get Holliday.get a good first baseman or force posada there and get a catcher or bring romine or cervelli up.to sum it up they need an ace,center fielder,right fielder,first baseman/catcher,lefty in the pen.keep brackman,ajax,montero,no one else is untouchable.gardner,melky,betemit,molina are being relied on to much,they are bench players.the yankees have to stop giving every player 16-30 million a year.abreaeu would be great at 8-10 million a year.an ace and a few outfielders,catcher,first baseman and we win it all in 2009,cut payroll to 170-180 million,we don’t need all the prospects in the minors because with an ace,wang,joba,hughes,brackman we are set so trade them for our needs and use free agency also.

  204. sunny615 July 13th, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    “If we want to make the playoffs we’ve got to be better,” said Andy Pettitte. “We stink right now for the most part. As a team we’ve kind of stunk it up lately.”

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  205. Bret the Hitman July 13th, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    Yankee Trader,

    Pleasure chattin’ with you. It’s nice to hear from fellow fans. Too often we sling insults at one another because we’re feeling down on the team.

    Garcia = Christian Garcia

    CC Sabathia is a must IMHO. He’s a workhorse. He consistently pitches over 200 IP’s and 100 pitches per start. He’s rarely if ever been on the DL. I think he deserves Santana money and I hope the Yankees give it to him. His will not be a problem for him any more than it was for David Wells, who pitched effectively into his late 30′s. At the end of a 7 year deal, Sabathia would be 35 years old. With our current rotation question marks, I don’t think that we can afford to be fat prejudice (not saying you are but I hear it from many Yankees fans).

    As for Bedard, if the Yankees could get him without giving up Sanchez then I’d be all for it since I believe Sanchez has closer potential. However, I’m not sure Horne + Tabata + Cox is enough to snag a former CY candidate and I think Melancon projects as a potential closer as well.

    About Bedard and his self-imposed pitch count limits. Maybe his past and current coaches never won his trust and he attributes his injuries to being overused or mishandled at a young age. I think Bedard would trust his handlers (pitching coaches, managers etc.) more if he knew that he would be supported by a deep bullpen which has never been the case in Baltimore and Seattle. If Girardi can manage Farnsworth, Bedard should be easy.

  206. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 14) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 13th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    About Bedard and his self-imposed pitch count limits. Maybe his past and current coaches never won his trust and he attributes his injuries to being overused or mishandled at a young age. I think Bedard would trust his handlers (pitching coaches, managers etc.) more if he knew that he would be supported by a deep bullpen which has never been the case in Baltimore and Seattle. If Girardi can manage Farnsworth, Bedard should be easy.

    I’m sorry but you lost me w/ Bedard, if he can’t work in a pitcher’s park under Mel Stottlemyer of all people and still have attitude problems and have your heart questioned I don’t want you anywhere near my team.

  207. Bret the Hitman July 13th, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    Farnsworth resisted pitching back-to-back games for a long time under Torre. Girardi gave him a little nudge and he has performed just fine in such instances.

    I wouldn’t be so quick to judge Bedard given the loser clubs he has been stuck on. He’s never had a good bullpen and it’s possible he was overused at a young age.

  208. Bret the Hitman July 13th, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Erik Bedard — LHP — Middle of the Rotation Starter: Few pitchers dominated their league like the 22-year-old Bedard did the high Class A Carolina League in the first half of last season.

    Only a shoulder injury slowed him at the midway point,

    but Bedard now appears healthy once again and should start at Class AA Bowie in 2002.

    A sixth-round pick in the 1999 draft out of Norwalk (CT) Junior College, Bedard was not deemed worthy of starting the 2000 season in low Class A Delmarva’s rotation and only joined the rotation due to injuries on the staff. Then, he threw a complete-game shutout — fanning 14 batters without issuing a walk — in his third start after joining the rotation and went on to help Delmarva to the league title by going 9-4 with a 3.57 ERA and fanning over a batter per inning.

    The first half of last season was another story entirely. The 6-1, 180-pound southpaw collected double-digits in strikeouts in three straight starts in May and yielded just three runs over one span of six outings

    before the shoulder injury forced him to miss six weeks in the middle of the season.

    Bedard answered any questions as to the health of his shoulder by collecting 12 strikeouts over seven innings in his final outing of the regular season.

    Bedard’s velocity has improved as he’s filled out. He now complements a low-90s fastball with a curveball and changeup and has the uncanny ability to throw any pitch at any time. His terrific command is evidenced by a career SO/BB ratio of 4:1. Bedard consistently keeps the ball down in the zone and has yielded just seven career home runs.

  209. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 14) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 13th, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    I wouldn’t be so quick to judge Bedard given the loser clubs he has been stuck on. He’s never had a good bullpen and it’s possible he was overused at a young age.

    Stop..just stop..he is what he is. This guy isn’t 24 or 26 he’s 29 and has been a burden on 2 teams already, one of those teams were waiting for him to be a stud, the other overpaid him, this year away from Safeco he has a 5.73 ERA this is not a strong point to selling him and a team would have to be desperate to get him.

  210. Wangawa July 13th, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    the funny thing about this team is that the bullpen has been absolutely lights out this year and the starting pitching with moose, pettitte and joba is a very good top three.

    having damon and matsui out of the lineup is a killer, both were batting above .300 and were having fantastic years.

    cashman needs to make a trade for a bat or two. maybe an xavier nady or something along those lines.

    i still think we’re going to win the wildcard. tampa has come pummeling back to earth, if you haven’t noticed.

  211. Brandon (Jeter GIDP: 14) (Johan Santana HR count: 13 and a SP) July 13th, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Bedard’s velocity has improved as he’s filled out.

    He throws 90 mph, sits 87-88

    He now complements a low-90s fastball with a curveball and changeup and has the uncanny ability to throw any pitch at any time. His terrific command is evidenced by a career SO/BB ratio of 4:1. Bedard consistently keeps the ball down in the zone and has yielded just seven career home runs.

    Where is Whozat or CB when I need them. :roll:

  212. Marc from Portland Maine July 13th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    SJ and CB left the building Brandon.

    Too many amatures here.

  213. JohnC July 14th, 2008 at 9:25 am

    Would love to get AJ Burnett, but I seriously doubt the Jays would trade him within the division. If he opts out of his deal, then we could pursue him this offseason, though he is not enamored with NY I hear. Sexson is worth a shot, especially at the league minimum, and given his sucess against leftied this year. As for Nady and Marte, I think our bullpen is fine,and we will get Bruney back after the break, hopefully at the expense of Hawkins. He is useless. What would the Pirates want for Nady?

  214. Paulie July 14th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Richie Sexton will absolutely fit right in with the current Yankee team. He is hitting .165 with RISP. A natural. Please there has got to be someone out there we can get who is right handed and can hit in the clutch.

  215. Ryan July 14th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

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    For God’s sake, the Sox had to put Schilling (remember that guy?), Ortiz, Colon, DiceK, Lowell, and now Lugo on the DL and they are somehow on top. The difference is that someone has always stepped up. Lester seemed to step into Schilling’s role. Sucky JD Drew started hitting. Masterson (a freakin AA pitcher!) took over for Colon and DiceK. Sean Casey, who I kinda like, and Youkilis covered for Lowell’s injury. Lugo is a disgrace so they’re probably better without him…

    The Sox missed the postseason back in 2006 and they have recovered pretty well. We should do the same (though one last WS in this stadium would be amazing). Lets move into the new stadium with a fresh new team and dominate the AL East.

    Oh and for the record, signing A-Rod was a mistake IMO. They could’ve used the extra $300 million to build a solid team. Instead they have one oustanding player and then some guys who can’t hit.

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