Update on Matsui: Returning to New York
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This release from the Yankees:
Hideki Matsui has developed swelling in his left knee and will return to New York in the next several days to be evaluated by Team Physician Dr. Stuart Hershon.
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The fact that he has had his knee drained twice (that we know of), rested for three weeks then experienced swelling after only a few days of BP indicates that he has more than “inflammation.”
This could be a sign he needs surgery, which would knock him out for the season.
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Chad Jennings
Sam Borden
Josh Thomson
drop him !
after break line up
jeter ss
cano 2b
abreu rf
a-rod 3b
giambi 1b
posada c
gardner lf
malkey cf
betimit dh
= 200 million= GIMMIE A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT STINKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they need Damon back if Matsui is done.. Matsui joins the ranks of 2008 underachievers.. the list is long in no particular order; jeter, hideki, abreu, cano, posada, giambi(RISP avg.),melky,arod, and others…
Damon, moose, veras, and edwar are on the list of overachievers with maybe Joba and a few others..
Huge, huge loss.
Here’s hoping we ca figure out a way to cope with it, but dang, we need his bat.
*****
Someone needs to remind me not to write blog posts about Yankee Stadium. I might be the one person that gets emotional more easily than Suzyn Waldman.
Amazing how 5 hours ago there was a poster from japan who said the Japanese papers were reporting this.They are really on it
Ouch! Damon’s injury is probably more severe than the Yanks are letting on and obviously Matsui’s is, as well. What to do? An already anemic offense needs to pick up. I just saw Buster Olney say that the Yanks will undoubtedly sign Sexson, but why? He’s not what they need. I am starting to be of the belief that the Yanks might need to be sellers…but then again, who could they even sell?
I don’t know how a guy having a good season but getting injured gets tagged as being an underachiever.
good thing they didn’t trade matsui to the giants when they had a chance to this offseason.
anyone crying for matt holliday doesn’t know anything about baseball. he can’t hit away from Coors field and he’s merely a product of that environment. if he ever had to play in a real ballpark he would be nothing.
All of a sudden Richie Sexson’s looking pretty sexy.
We should have traded him in the summer, I knew this would happen.
Ok
Bill Hall
Josh Willingham
Nelson Cruz who’s ripping AAA right now
“good thing they didn’t trade matsui to the giants when they had a chance to this offseason.”
Yeah, then they’d have the awesome production of Noah Lowry…who hasn’t thrown a pitch this season.
mel Sexson’s splits vs LHP makes him a very sexy option. I’d also check into guys like Casey Blake.
whozat it was also Jonathan Sanchez
“We should have traded him in the summer, I knew this would happen. ”
I assume you mean offseason.
And, you also need to acknowledge what was ACTUALLY offered. Which was a package centered around Noah Lowry. Boo.
And…imagine the offense through april and may WITHOUT Matsui. Eeew.
“whozat it was also Jonathan Sanchez”
No, no it wasn’t. You WANTED it to be. The Yankees may have ASKED for that, but that was NEVER something the Giants were offering.
This is as clear of a sign as any that they need to stop trying to win the pennant this season and trade Abreu and Moose to real contenders and maybe – gulp – Damon too. This is what happens when you rely on too many old guys to win.
They should have traded Matsui in the offseason last year when there was some interest.
This is as clear of a sign as any that they need to stop trying to win the pennant this season and trade Abreu and Moose to real contenders and maybe – gulp – Damon too. This is what happens when you rely on too many old guys to win.
They should have traded Matsui in the offseason last year when there was some interest.
I’m with Brandon on Josh Willingham.
This was pretty funny, (there’s also a descrip of Jeter’s party) http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....lstar_game
Are we going to gripe about pretend trades with the Giants that were never going to happen?
Darn, we should have traded Matsui for Cain and Lincecum and Sanchez when we had the chance!
Wow, this team is snakebit this year. There doesn’t seem to be many minor injuries. They’re all long-term deals. Wang, Posada, Matsui, Hughes, Bruney.
No, no it wasn’t. You WANTED it to be. The Yankees may have ASKED for that, but that was NEVER something the Giants were offering.
Dude I was listening to Sabean himself on the radio, the Yankees wanted Brian Wilson too that’s why talks ended there. It was a go w/ Sanchez who was a walk machine/strike out guy and Noah Lowry, it was stopped signed by the Giants when they asked for Brian Wilson to be included.
I’m with Brandon on Josh Willingham.
I agree a good OBP % guy that can hit and field his position and a RH power bat too.
Nick
Radio here saying Lincecum has food poisoning and is getting hydration.
Thanks, pat, the sports station here just has that he is sick but hasn’t given specifics.
Nick,
I’ll assume that was a joke (Cain/Lincecum/Sanchez for Matsui).
At least we have news on Matsui…shut him down, get him healthy, and get some value for him in the offseason if possible.
And Peter, AMEN ON BONDS! Screw that loser. He is a dirtbag media nightmare that has no place in New York. It may sound arrogant, but the Yankees are too good for a clown like that. Enough of this cure by way of signing useless veteran BS.
I dare one of you pro-Bonds jacka$$es to try and contest with this.
“Dude I was listening to Sabean himself on the radio, the Yankees wanted Brian Wilson too that’s why talks ended there. It was a go w/ Sanchez who was a walk machine/strike out guy and Noah Lowry, it was stopped signed by the Giants when they asked for Brian Wilson to be included.”
I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a GM giving out that many details on the radio. I also can’t imagine that a GM could have publicly stated that info without a post winding up on one of the mainstream blogs or mlbtraderumors. And I didn’t find any such post.
Did anyone notice last night that Peter claimed that one of Hamilton’s HRs went out of Yankee Stadium? Was that a joke or did he actually think that?
I’m high on us getting a Casey Blake. He right haded with some pop and can play both corners in the infield and outfield and would be a good clubhouse presence.
I also like the idea of getting the Nady/Marte package from Pittsburgh for some of the umpteen RH pitching prospects we have in the organization. I’d take on Minky too if it could be expanded so we had an actual defense first 1b who played the game with heart, something Betemit is incapable of.
I’d offer the Pirates Kennedy, Betemit, Melky, Ohlendorf and another rh pitching prospect (horne, marquez, mccutcheon) for Nady, Marte and Minky.
And I’d still see what you could get for Abreu. I think addition by subtraction is needed on this team and I think Abreu is one of the clasic fairweather hitters in this offense who can only produce when everyone else produces. I’d hate to lose his OBP, but it’s dropped so much already we wouldn’t be losing much.
If we go into the 2nd half with the batting order featuring cano, melky, betemit, gardner and molina, the season is over.
There needs to be a deal, especially in light of todays news about out OF’ers.
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“Did anyone notice last night that Peter claimed that one of Hamilton’s HRs went out of Yankee Stadium? Was that a joke or did he actually think that?”
i think he actually thought it. i don’t think Pete gets the replays in the press box. and it was tough to tell by the replay on tv as well…
oh, and pete corrected himself in the HR Derby blog…
I’m high on us getting a Casey Blake. He right haded with some pop and can play both corners in the infield and outfield and would be a good clubhouse presence.
G.Love and I agree on something
Hmm. If Damon is healthy and Matsui is out, how many of y’all would rather have Brett Gardner in left with Damon at DH than Barry Bonds at DH with Damon in left? With that RF porch in Yankee Stadium.
And I really hate Barry Bonds.
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Bonds DH
A-Rod 3B
Giambi 1B
Posada C
Abreau RF
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
If we really want to make a run, that isn’t a bad lineup. And it would cost us what $200k to sign him?
hmm.
Casey Blake and Josh Willingham are players the Yankees haven’t acquired since 1996 high OBP % type guys, foul off pitches make you make a mistake and add actual plus defense to thier positions.
That looks sexy to me Matt. I don’t understand why people would rather give up on the season then try Bonds.
We should stay away from Nady. This guy is playing well over his head and not the type of player we need.
The crappy moves that really have killed our roster for years are the Sheffield’s at every position, the slugger at every position, you need an in between the Casey Blake types , the Josh Willingham types, the Jason Werth or Mark Derosa, Loretta, those types the guys that drive the other team’s pitching staff nuts. The Brad Hawpe types, Ryan Freel types where are they ?
Re Bonds -
Do we really need another big $$$ old vet on the decline?
And all the baggage?
They should stay far, far away from Bonds.
Brandon has hit it right on the head. The common thread for those great Yankee teams was that they had guys collectively that made pitchers work.
“Casey Blake and Josh Willingham are players the Yankees haven’t acquired since 1996 high OBP % type guys,”
Casey Blake and his .335 career OBP? That’s a high OBP guy?
He’s about average this year, and was average two years ago. He’s also soon to be 35.
Josh Willingham looks good on offense, but isn’t he a crap defender? I mean, I’d be ok getting him…are the Marlins looking to move him? He seems like a guy who’s not super pricey and is pretty good. Why would they be trading him, exactly?
They need Bonds, who’s agent has offered him around for the league minimum btw, to compete for the remainder of the season. This team simply cannot score enough runs right now to compete and Abreu is no longer a bonafide 3-hole hitter.
H not only did they make them work but they could also field thier position, when and I keep saying this when will people understand the HR era isn’t like it was before, when your past your prime your lack of defense shows, your lack of fighting off pitches shows, lack of production at the plate shows. I want this mold to be broken already.
So I see speculation that the Marlins would be willing to give up Willingham…for young C, CF help. Or, maybe bullpen. We could help them with that last one. Ohly and Cox for Willingham?
G Love,
Your post above is why you are not a GM.
Minky? Is our defense at 1B really that much of an issue? No.
“lack of production at the plate shows.”
When was there a time at which this did not show?
The Yankee model has LONG been that they work long at-bats and grind down the opposing pitcher. This is the hallmark of guys like Abreu and Giambi. Players I’m sure you hate. Perhaps they’re not doing it this year, but that has been one of their strengths through their careers.
Whozat how about I can’t believe I’m saying this Jose Guillen
Jeffro,
And Bonds is the solution to the Yankees’s offense? Are you crazy? He hasn’t seen ML pitching since last September. He is old, he can’t play LF, we don’t need a DH.
I’ll tell you why you give up on the season and don’t get Bonds…because Bonds won’t win them the pennant or the Series. Bonds will bring drama, and a complete lack of team-oriented philosophy. I love how his agent claims collusion when, in fact, it’s the fact that his client is a cancer in the locker room, and will bring unwanted scrutiny to an already overly-scrutinized team. It might give AROD a break though.
If we want to focus on some pieces to strengthen hitting and give us more depth we could consider Casey Blake, Juan Rivera and how about Aaron Boone. I am not againstJosh Willingham, Jose Guillen, Nady or Bay but those guys might be too pricey — not really sure what Marlins would want or would be willing to part with Willingham.
Rivera could play RF and some LF. Blake can play OF, 1b, and 3b. boone could play 1b and 3b. We could then focus on a lefty for the pen and hopefully find another solid arm for the rotation.
Of course we need a healthy Damon. It sure does not sound promising that Matsui is going to return soon. He may be gone for the season.
Our farm system for mlb ready hitters is weak. We could be forced to overpay for the likes of Nady, Guillen, Bay, Holliday type hitters.
I am not sold on the Sexson move. I think we are buying a KO machine with him at 1b. We need productive hitters with good OBP and the ability to hit in the clutch.
While I would be fine if we acquired Bonds, considering we now know guys we cheered for on our team were liberally using PED’s, I know the Yanks won’t get him.
It won’t happen.
The sad thing is I think he would help and be motivated, check that, very motivated to make a statement with his play but it’s not going to happen.
I would seriously love to see the team go out and get Blake, Nady, Marte (although he’s less essential), Minky (or a good defensive 1b who isn’t a wet noodle in the clubhouse) and maybe get a guy like Loretta from Houston. I also like the idea of Willingham. I’m not saying get them all, but a mix of those guys would be a good step.
These aren’t long term acquisitions and they don’t hurt this big secret off season payroll shedding plan.
What they do is add some talent and character to this team.
If I could pull back Nady and Marte and I had to include Melky, IPK, Ohlendorf in the deal, I do it. Gardner can hold the fort down for now in CF and Damon, if he gets healthy, can play some CF too.
We need to weed out of the low OBP hitters from this lineup and limit them to no more than 2 or 3 regulars.
Molina should be a regular and he can’t be expected to hit or produce good numbers. We give him a pass.
Cano is coming out of it, but still put up horrible on base percentage numbers. I’m hoping his numbers swing up, but I’m not sure they will.
We need to replace the awful numbers of Betemit and Melky on a regular basis with guys who get on base and can drive in a run. We can’t have both Melky and Gardner in the OF. It’s too much of an offensive hit.
I’d keep Gardner for his speed and bunting ability.
Melky, however, needs to go. He’s not ever going to be a major league quality CF and he’s definitely not a corner OF with his lack of pop, rbi’s and low OBP.
The only other thing I was thinking was after seeing Girardi and Uggla so happy to see each other yesterday was maybe there is a big multiplayer trade we can make with the Marlins that involved Cano and others for Uggla (would solve our RH punch issue) and Willingham.
Would you do Cano, Melky, IPK for Uggla, Willingham and Nolasco?
The three Marlins players are arb eligible next season I believe and the Marlins don’t like to pay. Would getting Cano at a fixed rate and the low paid IPK and Melky make a deal here?
Joel Sherman: Casey Blake, Indians – There are mixed signals if Blake is going to have the stats to be a Type-A or Type-B free agent. Rival teams, though, say to just ignore that. Even if Blake is a Type-A, these executives said, Cleveland would not keep him and risk offering arbitration at the end of the year to receive draft pick compensation in free agency. In that scenario, Blake, who turns 35, next month would almost certainly accept arbitration and receive a one-year contract in the $8 million-plus range for the 2009 season.
“That is not the kind of risk the Indian front office takes,†an NL executive said. Therefore, the expectation is that Blake will be dealt before the July 31 deadline and both New York teams have at least mild interest.
“We need to weed out of the low OBP hitters from this lineup and limit them to no more than 2 or 3 regulars. ”
Cano and Melky are the only regulars who are low OBP guys. Jeter and Abreu aren’t supposed to be, but they’re playing that way right now. And Posada’s been bad lately, and there’s the issue of Molina playing a lot.
G. Love,
Your trade proposals are out of control man!!! Now you’re throwing Uggla and Nolasco into the bunch? Good lord.
Do the Yankees absolutely have to make a move? Maybe they bring in a reliever or pick up a RH bat via waivers, but what is it exactly that makes everyone think that they NEED to make a huge move for Nady AND Marte or Willingham or whatever other long list of names some of you have come up with.
Do you honestly think any combo of those guys will make a difference when the 4 and 5 spots in our rotation are Darrell Rasner and Sidney Ponson? Do you REALLY believe our rotation is capable of going deep into October or even making the playoffs?
People need to acknowledge the fact that injuries have been brutal on the Yankees this year. Just brutal. Matsui, Damon, Wang, Hughes, Kennedy, Bruney, et al. It sucks, but it happens.
I’m all for making the right trades to serve a purpose, but none of these proposals any of you are throwing out there are going to get the Yankees to the World Series. Unless they pull a mega deal and bring in a stud starter (or Josh Hamilton..wink wink…ITS A JOKE!!!), the Yankees really have no need to make a move. Just work with what you have, accept the results, buckle down, hope the offense comes to life, and play out the rest of the season.
And then people throw out names like Bonds. Barry Bonds. Come on!
Josh Willingham has a bad back, that’s why his AB’s are down.
The Yankees should be both buyers and sellers this season, to prepare for the loss of FA’s and the lack of position replacements in the minors.
The trouble is there are very few teams actually out of the race currently, so you need a willing trading partner.
If I were Cashman, I’d put the word out that there are very few untouchables on the 40 man roster, and if you have young players in return, we’d be interested.
Don’t count on getting draft picks for your FA’s. They either have to sign with another team before 12/02/08, or be offerred arbitration and decline.
Would Farnsworth decline?. Doubt it-He’s making 5M this year and the arbitrator would probably settle at 3.5-4M.
Is Abreu a Type A- based on his statistics for 2007-2008 seasons compared to other RF’er? If not it’s a sandwich pick between the 1st and 2nd rounds.
Therefore, see what interest there is in Farnsworth, Mussina, Abreu, Hawkins[yeah right!] before the trading deadline, to stockpile our minors with nearly ready position players, or ready players. Dodgers and Diamondbacks are vying for a hitter. St Louis and Phillies want a pitcher. Milwaukee still needs bullpen help.
If the right deals are made we still have a chance, and if we don’t make it hopefully we’ll be better prepared with younger more athletic players who can work a count for the 2009 season!
“Would Farnsworth decline?. Doubt it-He’s making 5M this year and the arbitrator would probably settle at 3.5-4M.”
I think he would. Guys don’t really like to sign one-year deals. Kyle will get an offer of 2+ years for more guaranteed money than he’d get in arbitration. Of course he’d decline.
Bobby…he’ll probably be able to get a 2 year offer as well. he’s the best of a heinous RF free agent class. So he’d likely decline too, unless his desire to stay in NY outweighs his desire to get one last multi-year deal.
Ok here’s a trade for you.
Mets looking for an outfielder:
Trade Melky,Abreu, Mussina,Giambi and Farnsworth across town for Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado and Pedro Feliciano!!
Anyone interested??
And yes that’s wishful thinking, a joke!!
whozat
- If Farnsworth declines he’s probably not in the top 20% relievers over past two years so all we get is a sandwich pick. If I were a GM I wouldn’t give him a 2 year contract unless its 2-2.5/year, and he might make close to that in arbitration for just one year. Anyway, just trade him now while his value is at his highest!
And you are right about Abreu, there are slim outfield picks in the 2009 FA class-Adam Dunn, Milton Bradley?
But I don’t want Abreu back. I’d rather Cashman package some of his over-rated pitching prospects and get a solid right handed defensive young player for the outfield. Jason Bay for me would be on the table, he’s played all OF positions, and is signed thru next year. Of course you’ll say it will take Melancon &Jackson to get him.
All I’m trying to say is that we can still make a run, and be better prepared for 2009, if our GM is a smart buyer and seller before the deadline.
In fact many of our players will pass thru waivers unclaimed and can still be traded in August, when hopefully Wang, Bruney, Damon back. If Matsui out for the year, he won’t be tradeable until teams see how he looks in spring training.
No question now. With Damon out for at least another 10 or so days and Matsui out for the year, Cashman MUST get that righthanded bat (Nady or Holliday) or declare this a lost season.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a GM giving out that many details on the radio. I also can’t imagine that a GM could have publicly stated that info without a post winding up on one of the mainstream blogs or mlbtraderumors. And I didn’t find any such post.
well, if it’s not in any blogs than it must not be true than! lol. you are delusional.
“If Farnsworth declines he’s probably not in the top 20% relievers over past two years”
I don’t see how there’s a causal relationship here. If his agent thinks he can get a multi-year deal, he’ll decline arbitration. Or, if he doesn’t want to play in NY anymore. That’s also possible. Keep in mind that Vizcaino got a 2 year deal, and Kyle’s only going to be 33. Someone will give him a 2 year deal.
Even if he’s only a type-B, that’s got value. Sure…if they can package him in a deal that brings back something interesting now, go for it. But if they still have him, I don’t think it’ll be risky to offer him arbitration. At all.
“But I don’t want Abreu back.”
Fine. He won’t accept arbitration either, probably. So…there’s no real risk there. Dunn can’t play RF, and Bradley can’t play the field consistently, so I don’t really see them as competition for Abreu. He’ll certainly believe that he can get 2 year offers somewhere else.
I don’t like Bonds. At all. But he’ll cost no talent, and he MIGHT improve the lineup. Why not let him try to work into game shape in the minors and see what happens? He’s obviously just a DH (if he’s even that), but so were Matsui and Damon, who look like they’ll be out a while. Maybe he’ll get on base, which is more than you can say about most guys in the lineup…
So, we hate him. Maybe we’ll get to see him flop as a Yankee and have the opportunity to boo him. Could be fun. Or maybe he’ll be good. Even better. Try him out. Try Sexon out. Heck, dig up Sammy Sosa’s and Juan Gonzalez’s corpses and fit them for pinstripes, too! Bottom line: we shouldn’t be trading any prospects to try to rescue this season, so the scrap heap is all we have…
“well, if it’s not in any blogs than it must not be true than! lol. you are delusional.”
By “mainstream blogs” I mean blogs by Neyer, Gammons, Stark, Rosenthal or a guy like that. Legit reporters, the places where we get pretty much ALL our trade rumor info.
Also…did you pay attention to the context of the comment? Brandon said he heard something on the radio. I said that I can’t find any evidence of this comment anywhere, not even blogs.
So…I’m delusional for not taking Brandon’s unsubstantiated word for it?
“No question now. With Damon out for at least another 10 or so days and Matsui out for the year, Cashman MUST get that righthanded bat (Nady or Holliday) or declare this a lost season.”
Do you think that Nady or Holliday puts this team in the world series? If not, what is the point of making such an acquisition?
Casey Blake batted .190 with RISP in 2007.
Trades for a player, right handed bat should be looking to both this season and 2009, for the FA’s we won’t sign.
“Casey Blake batted .190 with RISP in 2007.”
Yeah. He’s not been a great player. Though, he’s hitting better overall this season than last. How’s he doing with RISP in 2008?
“Trades for a player, right handed bat should be looking to both this season and 2009, for the FA’s we won’t sign.”
Nady’s been slightly above average in his career. Trading for him now would be buying at peak value. And Holliday’s not the big bat he seems. Take him out of Coors and he’s Hideki Matsui circa 2005 or so. Very good, but not great. But you have to spend like he’s great in order to get him.
I agree that Abreu doesn’t look worth keeping. But that doesn’t mean that you buy high on the biggest trade market names (Bay, Holliday, Nady) in order to replace him. The Yanks can afford to buy high with money if they want, but shouldn’t do so with their talent.
Matsui puts up good regular-season numbers. But starting with Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS Matsui has the grand total of 2 RBIs in the playoffs. Makes A-Rod look clutch.