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There was a really long All-Star Game that ended this morning. The American League won 4-3 in 15 innings. John Delcos has the story.
Mariano Rivera didn’t get the save but he had a great night. Sam Borden has the story.
The gathering of the Hall of Famers was another reminder that baseball does these things the best according to Rick Carpiniello.
George Steinbrenner got the loudest cheers. This notebook also has updates on Tim Lincecum, the Mets wanting their shot, Gary Carter, Billy Wagner, Jonathan Papelbon and Goose Gossage.
There were mixed results for the Mets and Yankees in the game.
Mariano Rivera’s restaurant had an All-Star catering job last night. Harold Gutman has the story.
Hideki Matsui might need knee surgery that would knock him out for the season.
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Mariano Rivera said last night that he was told three days ago (by Joe Girardi via Terry Francona) that he would be used to close if the situation came up. Presumably, Francona told Jonathan Papelbon the same thing.
Why then did Papelbon carry on like he did on Monday? It makes no sense. Why say you want to close when you know Mo will be the closer? Just say something polite about Mariano and move on.
Meanwhile, whether Yankee fans want to hear it or not, Francona deserves your acclaim. He took Jeter and A-Rod out of the game in the middle of innings so they could get applause from the crowd. He used Mo exactly right. He was respectful as he could be to the tradition and history of the Yankees. He helped make the game what it was for the home team.
“I can’t say enough about how great Terry has been through this whole thing,” Girardi said.
Not that this would ever happen, of course, but when the Red Sox come to the Bronx in August, fans should let Francona know they appreciate what he did.
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Thanks for a ton of great coverage today.
nice job by Terry. Torre did the same thing for guys like Nomar and company at Fenway in 1999. good to see the favor returned.
I can’t stand to even acknowledge the beaneaters, so their field manager’s magnanimity seems to me only appropriately due, but Francona (from playing days w/Phila on) seems decent guy. I think, nice for someone like that to get to win the 15 inning classic closer @HouseThatRuthBlt
whatever, pap was misquoted. do your research, “writerâ€.
were you even there when he said it? loser wannabe writer.”
No, he wasnt misquoted, he just back tracked when his PR agent told him he better go take that back. He obviously felt what he said at first or he wouldnt have said it.
Mariano>Papelbon x 100000000000000000+
Sorry, Papelbon could play the victim card all he wants but he’s the one who said these words:
“If I was managing the team, I would close,†Papelbon said. “I’m not managing the team, so it don’t matter.
“We’ve both earned that right; us, by winning the World Series and having the opportunity of having our manager there and our team being represented, and Mariano by what he’s done for this role, we’re in Yankee Stadium and blah, blah, blah,†Papelbon added. “It’s not that easy. Everybody thinks it’s a cut and dry answer, but it’s not.â€
Did Papelbon flunk PR 101? How stupid can you be to keep going on about an issue that was supposedly already decided days ago?
That makes no sense. And I bet Francona was just covering for his punk closer.
Francona and every other member of the Red Sox presented themselves with class this week.
The only guy who didn’t was Papelbon. And he has quickly developed the reputation of being a jackass that didn’t begin this week.
Here’s another perfect example of that from Pete:
Yankees clubhouse manager Rob Cucuzza said how impressed he was with the Red Sox players. A few of them asked to see Thurman Munson’s locker. “Those guys and Terry (Francona) have been incredibly respectful,†he said. “I didn’t really know them before this and they’ve been great.â€
Then we have Jonathan Papelbon, who is wearing a sleeveless blue t-shirt with a drawing of a hand making an obscene gesture. Yes, that obscene gesture.
If you act like a fool – you’re gonna get treated like one.
Now nobody is going to condone the idiots who allegedly threatened his wife – but the boos and hisses targeted at him tonight were absolutely well-deserved.
See what in October? That Mariano is better than Papelbon?
Who was that reporter that said he didnt say that? John Rocker?
Did that reporter also say he didnt wear a shirt showing the middle finger? Or wave his ring in front of Yankee fans on the red carpet? The guy said exactly what was printed and how you dont believe it makes you a homer. Find these reporters that say he didnt say it.
Yankees players = Red Sox players in this game
JD Drew was the only one who did good 1/6. We had 2/3 players have a good game
Your players went 2/9
Ours went 1/5
Your closer gave up a run
Ours didnt
I have a feeling this kid is younger than 14 for calling it a toilet game. When did you become a Boston fan btw? 2004?
Cant touch this “Im a bandwagon sox fan”
http://khbproductions.com/272/worldchampionrings.jpg
I completely agree. Francona was a gentleman.
Good stuff by Francona.
However, I am glad to say, Papelbon sucks
How many runs did Brett Gardner let up in the All-Star game? How many runs did Papelbon let up in the All-Star game? Brett Gardner > Jonathan Papelbon lol
Tito unlike most of the Red Sox care about what people think of him, and he is a good man and good manager
ow many runs did Brett Gardner let up in the All-Star game? How many runs did Papelbon let up in the All-Star game? Brett Gardner > Jonathan Papelbon lol”
Haha Gardner keeps proving why hes better than Papelbon haha
“one thing is for sure, the yankees are not going to win this year.”
Neither are the Red Sox if they have Papelbon out there
I can go all day
Neither are the Red Sox if they have Papelbon out there ”
As my mother used to tell me when I was a child, ignore the trolls.
But since hes not leaving, I will be going back to PSD to talk to the smart baseball fans
How is Tito the MVP? He didnt play. Idiot Sox homer
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/sarcasticpixie/papelpack.jpg
26 rings
26 rings.
Ive seen 6 titles won. 77 78 96 98 99 00
1 less than the Red Sox have in their entire history
Remember 2006? 3rd place after being in first the whole season? Dont count your chickens so fast this year buddy.
“Ive seen 6 titles won. 77 78 96 98 99 00
1 less than the Red Sox have in their entire history”
hahahahahahahahaahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
owned.
Pete, I could not agree with you more – Terry Francona was a class act yesterday.
Theres really not much that the Red Sox have on us. I mean 2004? 1 thing? I mean, come on. The 5 game sweep at Fenway possibly tops that. 2003? I mean, even Bill Buckner against the Mets. I mean, if I didnt hate little kids like this so much, I would say I feel bad for them.
The have Jimmy Foxx and Ted Williams. Do Yankee Legends really need to be named?
Theres just nothing the Sox are better than the Yankees at. Maybe a consistent losing streak of 86 years? Then again, thats not an impressive feat for them
Im out ?
Stop engaging this d-bag. Pete’s going to delete all of his idiotic posts when he wakes up anyways.
I love how 49 Hall of Famers were there yesterday, and not one was wearing a Red Sox hat! Some storied franchise, huh?
I love how 49 Hall of Famers were there yesterday, and not one was wearing a Red Sox hat! Some storied franchise, huh?”
good point. Well there was Wade….Oh wait, no, he was wearing our hat
What’s up with ARod and old women?
Check out this morning’s Page Six. Now ARod is dating a 44 year old named Ingrid Casares. Yeah, she’s younger than Madonna, but she’s still 12 years older than Alex.
Page Six also says teammates are really down on ARod and no one showed up to his party. For example, Jabba decided to attend David Wright’s NYC party, instead.
Guiseppe Franco-
Pete’s out jogging. You know what a health nut he is. ;P
Red Sox HOFers:
Wade Boggs
Jimmy Collins
Joe Cronin
Bobby Doerr
Rick Ferrell
Carlton Fisk
Jimmy Foxx
Lefty Grove
Harry Hooper
Tedd Williams
Carl Yastrzemski
Yankees HOFers:
Yogi Berra
Earle Combs
Stan Coveleski
Joe DiMaggio
Bill Dickey
Whitey Ford
Lou Gehrig
Lefty Gomez
Waite Hoyt
Miller Huggins
Catfish Hunter**
Reggie Jackson
Tony Lazzeri
Mickey Mantle
Joe McCarthy
Herb Pennock
Phil Rizzuto
Red Ruffing
Babe Ruth
Casey Stengel
What’s up with ARod and old women?
Check out this morning’s Page Six. Now ARod is dating a 44 year old named Ingrid Casares. Yeah, she’s younger than Madonna, but she’s still 12 years older than Alex.
Page Six also says teammates are really down on ARod and no one showed up to his party. For example, Jabba decided to attend David Wright’s NYC party, instead.”
Ok Red Sox bandwagon fan…
Pete,
Are 1873 comments in the last thread a record for the blog? It is really cool. We need to hit 2000 one of these days
Pete,
Are 1873 comments in the last thread a record for the blog? It is really cool. We need to hit 2000 one of these days ”
This years playoff threads will
Quite a bit of Yankee Hall of Famer’s missed:
http://mlb.mlb.com/nyy/history/hall_of_famers.jsp
I only listed the ones who went in as a Yankee
Yeah, good call – I just looked over the list more.
We will need to add Jeter, Torre, Mo and hopefully Posada to that list in the future too!
Oh, and I guess A Rod – though we might have to pay him for him to go in as a Yankee. Boras will probably take bids between us, the Mariners, and the Rangers. jk!
Jeter, Torre, Mariano, Alex will all go in as Yankees. Posada is still a maybe.
Right now, all the Red Sox have imo are Pedro Manny and Tito
I guess Bernies case could even be argued. .297 career hitter 250+ hrs, 4 WS rings
I agree with that. Some think Schilling should go. I disagree. Despite the fact that I cant stand the guy, his career is very similar than Orel Hershisher’s, and Orel is not in the Hall.
I Sterling and Kay will join Mel Allen in the HOF broadcasters wing.
Lupica will undoubtedly be admitted into the writers wing.
If Pettite plays another 5 years, which he probably will not even though he could, he would stand a good chance – despite his admitted HGH use during those two occasions.
I suppose that if R*ger Cl*m*ens goes in the he would go in as a Yankee as well – though that is not a good thing.
“I guess Bernies case could even be argued. .297 career hitter 250+ hrs, 4 WS rings”
Not a chance. Very good player. Arguably the Yankees best player during the championship years. But he never gets into Cooperstown without a ticket.
Perhaps it will take 20 or 30 years, but Da Boss will one day be enshrined into the Hall. I mean, jeaz, Tom Yawkey and charlie Comiskey are in the Hall
“I agree with that. Some think Schilling should go. I disagree. Despite the fact that I cant stand the guy, his career is very similar than Orel Hershisher’s, and Orel is not in the Hall”
Schilling’s numbers are a cut above Hershiser’s (more wins, fewer losses, 300 fewer walks, 1000 more strikeouts, better ERA, much better ERA+, better postseason resume). Further, they are vastly superior to Hall of Famer Catfish Hunter’s numbers.
Postseason numbers play a big role on these things and Schilling’s postseason resume is probably one of the 3-4 best in the history of the game among starting pitchers.
“Perhaps it will take 20 or 30 years, but Da Boss will one day be enshrined into the Hall. I mean, jeaz, Tom Yawkey and charlie Comiskey are in the Hall”
Yup. Shouldn’t take 20-30 years either. Should be within the next 5. Hope it happens while he’s still alive.
Fredo, ERA can be a little mis-leading. Orel has a much better ERA+, which shows he outperformed the league more than Schilling. Schilling has played for better teams (IMO), which gave him the slight edge in W/L%. Orel has a Cy Young, which Schill does not. Also, Orel was a quite an accomplished post season pitcher himself – WS MVP, ALCS MVP, NLCS MVP.
But, for the record, I agree with you that Schilling was a better pitcher – just not by much. And considering Orel has gotten no love at all in the ballots, I do not see Schilling getting the needed 75% of votes.
Absolutely – nothing but the best – the Bronx Cheer!
Schilling socks are in the hall
Tito is a class act but he was going to face a lot of criticism for only pitching K Rod for .1 IP. The game was tied at that point.
Have Mo start the ninth and save K Rod for after Mo then he doesn’t have to use Kasmir.
Kasmir should have asked out before the game.
MLB needs a rule that if you pitch on Sunday then your out of the ASG. You can show up for the intros but you can’t play
“Fredo, ERA can be a little mis-leading. Orel has a much better ERA+, which shows he outperformed the league more than Schilling”
Excellent point. However, it’s diminished slightly by the facts.
Schilling’s career ERA+ is 127. Hershiser’s is 112.
Best strikeout-to-walk ratio since 1900?
You guessed it: Curt Schilling.
I hate his politics, but the guy has been a winning pitcher throughout his career, and has come up big in the biggest games. He deserves HOF consideration.
“Schilling has played for better teams (IMO), which gave him the slight edge in W/L%”
Hershiser pitched for 6 teams that made it to the postseason. Schilling pitched for 5.
Schilling will get in and i hate the pri**
but he is/was a money big game pitcher and the central part in winning two rings (2007 he was along for the ride)
might i also add he is steroid free
“Check out this morning’s Page Six. Now ARod is dating a 44 year old named Ingrid Casares. Yeah, she’s younger than Madonna, but she’s still 12 years older than Alex.”
wasn’t Ingrid Casares Madonna’s best friend back in the day?
“might i also add he is steroid free”
I don’t think we can assume anyone who played in the steroid era is/was steroid free.
wasn’t Ingrid Casares Madonna’s best friend back in the day?
According to this site, friends and more.
http://www.linkedcelebs.com/page/Ingrid+Casares
Meanwhile, whether Yankee fans want to hear it or not, Francona deserves your acclaim. He took Jeter and A-Rod out of the game in the middle of innings so they could get applause from the crowd. He used Mo exactly right. He was respectful as he could be to the tradition and history of the Yankees. He helped make the game what it was for the home team.
I have never, not ONCE even had the slightest inkling of anger towards Terry Francona. Some of his players might be a bit suspect, but the guy treats baseball right. Good luck to him in future golf tournaments. Meanwhile, however, I hope the ASG was his last win as a manager. Gotta hate the Sox
I don’t think we can assume anyone who played in the steroid era is/was steroid free.
You’re right. I’m jacked up on HGH right now and I work in an office building. What has the world come to?
The “toilet” poster above obviously is a moron, but I would like to hear an opinion from some Yanks fans putting aside the rivalry bit (I am a Sox fan).
I was appalled at the way Papelbon was treated last night. It’s an All Star game, with home field in the WS on the line, and presumably Yankee fans think they have a shot at getting there. So why, in a tie game, do you treat an AL pitcher that way. Totally classless. Tito made all sorts of moves to spotlight Yanks, handling Mariano’s entrance perfectly. He pulled Jeter and A-Rod mid-inning so they could receive their deserved recognition.
I understand Paps said something stupid, but that quote has been totally overplayed, while his other comments about Rivera – like when he called him the “godfather” of the save – were pushed aside to increase the hype.
In a game that otherwise was incredible to watch – all the HOFers, Steinbrenner getting his salute, etc. – I found that inning a total disappointment. I expected Yankee fans to rise above petty newspaper/blog stories and support their League in the final AS game in their stadium. Seems like a few years back Yankee fans were venerated as being extremely knowledgeable and endlessly classy. I guess I expected too much.
Paps is cocky, and has never been accused of being a brain surgeon, but cocky is the mentality you need to have to succeed as a closer. It’s served him well so far in his young career. And to indulge my homer instincts for a minute… that run never would have scored had Dioner Navarro (Posada’s former heir apparent) not thrown the ball into center field trying to catch Tejada stealing.
MLB needs a rule that if you pitch on Sunday then your out of the ASG. You can show up for the intros but you can’t play
Are you suggesting a cut-and-dry rule? For example: only starting pitchers? Only the good ones? What if Kazmir had been knocked silly for 2 innings before getting taken out on Sunday? Is he still unavailable?
I think they handled everything the right way. The players knew what was going on, and although some of them never thought they would pitch in the game, they were always aware of it being a possibility. To completely revoke their right to play in the ASG is a bit much, IMHO.
No, he wasnt misquoted, he just back tracked when his PR agent told him he better go take that back. He obviously felt what he said at first or he wouldnt have said it.
Mariano>Papelbon x 100000000000000000+
I’ve checked it out, and that math is actually correct. Weird, eh?
I made sure I double checked before I posted. Mariano infact, is that damn good
“You’re right. I’m jacked up on HGH right now and I work in an office building.”
You too???
Francona is a stand up guy. Now Papelbon on the other hand…
Favorite funny moment…When George Brett was giving his pep talk to the AL Team in the locker room and Jeter is in the background (upper right corner) putting on his pants!
“You’re right. I’m jacked up on HGH right now and I work in an office building.â€
Maybe I sure try that. I’ve been drinking scotch as my PED, and for some reason I pass out on my keyboard around 10am every day.
mommy- Good thing I dvr’d it. I’ll have to go back and watch it. :blush:
Btw Kazmir said he didn’t want to pitch, why didn’t he decline? Mike Mussina wanted to be there, no matter what he says. A little unfair no?
Schilling deserves consideration, but not enshrinement. Voters have to look at some of his negative stats, too
Such as:
Only 10 10+ win seasons out of 20 (Mussina has 17)
8 seasons with a sub .500 W/L percentage (Pettite has none)
Only 4 seasons finishing in the Cy Young top 10 out of 20 (Mussina 8X)
His average season as a starter is 14-9 3.46… nice, not great. (Mussina 17-9, 3.70, Pettite 15-9 3.84)
Yes, he had three spectacular seasons and has been a great post-season pitcher, but his resume’ overall is no better than Jack Morris, Orel Hersheiser, Mike Mussina or Andy Pettite.
yea, i stayed all 15, got back to the upper west side at 215am, and am at work- but it was TOTALLY worth it.
“Schilling socks are in the hall”
do they smell like ketchup
No way I was staying up for that. Let me just say, reading the live blog notes from Peter just now, I was hysterical. I taped the game, though I don’t think I went till 1:40, but I’m just interested in watching Mariano anyway.
Anyway, that live blog was some of the funniest writings I have seen around here in a long time. Keep up the good work Peter.
““Schilling socks are in the hallâ€
do they smell like ketchup”
I could say something real inappropriate about that lol
I didn’t dvr late enough either. Recording stopped at 1am. Oh well the best part was already on anyway.
86w183, good points. I ran a little dry in my defense against Schilling. He definitely has his strong points, but I think his most compelling argument is his post season performances, which is a runner up to the greatest – El Duque.
The “toilet” poster above obviously is a tool, but I would like to hear an opinion from some Yanks fans putting aside the rivalry bit (I am a Sox fan).
I was appalled at the way Papelbon was treated last night. It’s an All Star game, with home field in the WS on the line, and presumably Yankee fans think they have a shot at getting there. So why, in a tie game, do you treat an AL pitcher that way. Totally classless. Tito made all sorts of moves to spotlight Yanks, handling Mariano’s entrance perfectly. He pulled Jeter and A-Rod mid-inning so they could receive their deserved recognition.
I understand Paps said something stupid, but that quote has been totally overplayed, while his other comments about Rivera – like when he called him the “godfather” of the save – were pushed aside to increase the hype.
In a game that otherwise was incredible to watch – all the HOFers, Steinbrenner getting his salute, etc. – I found that inning a total disappointment. I expected Yankee fans to rise above petty newspaper/blog stories and support their League in the final AS game in their stadium. Seems like a few years back Yankee fans were venerated as being extremely knowledgeable and endlessly classy. I guess I expected too much.
Paps is extremely confident, and has never been accused of being a brain surgeon, but confidence is the characteristic you need to have to succeed as a closer. It’s served him well so far in his young career. And to indulge my homer instincts for a minute… that run never would have scored had Dioner Navarro (Posada’s former heir apparent) not thrown the ball into center field trying to catch Tejada stealing.
“Why then did Papelbon carry on like he did on Monday?”
Forget Monday. He was carrying on like that yesterday afternoon when he was interviewed at the parade.
After last night, I have finally made up my mind about Alex Rodriguez. Great athlete, not so great a man. When I heard rumors about him I always give him the benefit of the doubt…maybe he was misunderstood, maybe he was misquoted, maybe it was jut Boras…. I want to like him because he’s one of our own (and will be for 10 more years!!). But when he left in the middle of the game last night, my mind is made up once and for all. I don’t want anyone telling me who cares what kind of man he is as long as he can win. Well I care, all the winning teams we had before were made up of guys with hearts. I’ll continue to cheer for Alex when he is uniform, but I will be cheering for the Yankees, not for Alex Rodriguez.
Francona is a good and decent manager but manages the wrong team in the wrong city.
Someday he’ll say what a goofy college cowtown he managed in.
The Yankee clubhouse will be aired out and sprayed with Airwick for the benefit of Yankee players that will work out today and want the stench of Boston removed.
Extra time was needed in areas that Papelbon was seen at.
8th inning disappointment, I am with you to a point.
I think that it showed poor taste in the national spotlight, but I also do not see anything different happening in a role reversal – i.e. I think the Fenway Faithful would act the same. Pete brought up a great point about Papelbon knowing he wasn’t even going to close the game, so I do not know why he ran his suck in the first place.
We saw the blonde wigs last year when Arod was rummored to be with another women in Toronto, and you know the Boston fans are going to run away with the whole ARod-Madonna bit as well. That has nothing to do with their team and it is attacking someone’s personal life instead of their baseball etiquette, so one could argue that is much worse.
Fans will be fans, you cannot change that. Hats off to Tito last night. He even kept Jeter in there for a third at bat so he could hit into another double play.
‘8th inning disappointment-
there has always been a dark ignorant side to the red sox persona which peaked during the yawkey years. papelbon represents that kind of ignorance. if you want to defend him , you’re wasting your time. he is what he is.
don’t worry about yankee fans. clean up your own house first, maybe if you spent more time there than on yankee blogs you might get somewhere.
jennifer-
you guys didn’t stay up until 2 AM?
And you guys call yourselfs new yawkers.
red sox fan- Those who live in glass houses shall not cast stones.
Jorge Posada’s son was made fun of at Fenway. Roger Clemens’s wife WAS threatened.
Terry Francona is classy. I wish I could say the same for some of those Sox players.
As well as their fans.
bdog375 – I see your point, but in certain situations, fans get a chance to rise above the BS. When Clemens “retired” for like the 10th time a few years back, he got a standing O at Fenway during what was supposed to be his final appearance there, despite the bad blood that had been a factor for years. Last night just seemed like an opportunity lost for Yankee fans to look at the bigger picture, namely American League pride. I do understand that Papelbon needs to learn when to shut his trap, but …
randy l – you are the type of fan I find disappointing, Like many Yankee fans on Boston blogs, I came here to get an honest opinion from a group of Yankee fans, not to incite morons to take baseless cracks at me. Feel free to not answer my post next time. Likening Tom Yawkey to Paps? You are wasting everyone’s time with your comments.
I’ve always been cool with Tito. It’s the rest of the Jacksons I have a problem with.
funny story in the Daily News of Papelbum complaining about the Bronx Cheers
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/07/15/2008-07-15_jonathan_papelbon_irked_as_boos_rain_on_.html
Couldn’t agree more about Francona — just a classy performance all around. This Yankee fan will be clapping for him when the Sox next come to town.
Ok so if Papelbon was the greatest Yankee closer of all time and he was pitching at Yankee stadium in his last game then maybe the Yankee fans wouldn’t have booed him.
That makes no sense at all because your parallel to Clemens makes no sense at all.
Papelbon insulted Mariano Rivera (in Yankee fans eyes), how can you expect anything other than what he got?
If Paplebon said Of course I’d love to close, I wouldn’t be a competitor if I didn’t, but this is Mo’s stadium and it is the final year so he should close. While he still would have been booed cause he is a sox he never would have heard it as bad as he did. He brought it on himself. This will now follow him around all year, especially if he continues to cry about the boos.
And lol the women is 2 months pregnant like anyone could tell. Grow up Paplebum.
“8th inning disappointment”, I do not think Clemens can compare to this situation. I never understand how Red Sox fans could do anything but cheer the guy. He never wanted to leave Boston, and it was not his fault he was not offered a new contract with them. I always thought it was in poor taste for him to be booed after what he brought to that organization for so many years. So really, I find that very classless that they turned their back on a guy who was the face of the organization for so long.
It would be pretty cool if the Stadium gave Francona a nice round of applause during his next visit. Considering all the circumstances, he did an excellent job yesterday.
Best part of game = “OVERRATED” chants and you could see Papelbum didn’t like it.
The most respected statistical measure of HOF qualification is this Hall of Fame monitor. (on baseball-reference.com)
It says that roughly with a score of 100, there is a good possibility of being in the HOF and with 130 you are a virtual shoe-in. Bernie has a score of 133.
Another measure is the HOF career standards test. The average HOF has a score of 50. Bernie has 48. Therefore he has a score higher than roughly 49% of the HOF.
Also neither of these account for world series wins, general wins, or playoff performance (bernie has 2nd most playoff hrs, hits, runs, at bats, total bases, walks singles, times on base)
He is first in all time playoff extra base hits and RBIs by a landslide (80, next is 64)
I agree he is close. But a case can be made
8th inning disappointment-
i can’t tell ypu how sorry i am to disappoint you.
i didn’t hurt your feelings did i?
i forget the new red sox fan is a little sensitive. i’ll try to be more careful next time since
i want nothing more than to make your visit here as comfortable as possible.
Gardner Running For Melkys Spot–Brett Gardner > Jon Papelbon–MO for CY Young 2008
July 16th, 2008 at 5:48 am
Yankees players = Red Sox players in this game
“JD Drew was the only one who did good 1/6. We had 2/3 players have a good game”
Just a minor correction. JD Drew did better than one hit. He had the home run, a single, a walk, and got on base with one of Uggla’s errors. He was on base four times and also had a stolen base.
On a different note, I don’t have a lot of sympathy for Papelbon. I think he brought the boos on himself by his comments, and I know that if the roles were reversed a player like that would get booed at Fenway.
RAY- thank you for being objective.
Yankee fans were just protecting their player. They felt Mo was dissed and they stood up for him.
bdog375 – Former Sox players who go to the Yankees pretty much always get that treatment. They get cheered first time back, then booed from then on as members of a rival (see Johnny Damon, Wade Boggs, etc), as you’d expect. When Clemens got his ovation, it’s because fans realized it was a special moment – bigger than Sox/Yanks. Last night seemed like one of those situations – not the same, obviously, but a moment that meant a whole lot more than Sox/Yanks. It was about AL/NL, and the game was in the balance. Sox and Yanks fans alike, along with all potential WS teams, needed Paps to pitch well. Boo him all you want in all Sox/Yanks games, as you rightfully already do. In that situation – to me – it was disappointing.
Anyway, thanks for your input – it’s the kind of perspective I was looking for – rational Yankee perspective.
I’m just glad for Paps that Wagner spit the bit as usual, and allowed the tying run.
randy l – Did you and Paps by chance matriculate through the same school system? You are pure genius.
No problem Jennifer. I know that Mo is having an incredible season, and has been the dominant closer in all of baseball in my opinion. Papelbon is not in the same catetory as Mo both in terms of baseball ability and being a class individual.
The fans cheered Drew when he hit the game tying HR. The fans were only booing Papelbon because of his comments in the media. If he had kept his mouth shut and come in the game and had a scoreless outing I’m sure he would not have been booed. In fact he probably would have had a bit of applause. Unfortunately for Papelbon, he is a fool and ticked off a lot of Yankee fans.
Also about Papelbon, I’d like to copy this post I made from last night,
“I can’t rip Papelbon too bad on this. He said some silly things but he did give Mo some props. He was just being confident/arrogant which is what I’d expect in a great closer. All great athletes think they are the best and thats part of what makes them great. The difference with Papelbon is he doesn’t keep his mouth shut. For example I’m sure K-rod thinks he should close because he has the most saves but he shows the proper respect to the greatest of all time (Mo). Lets put it this way, if he was a Yankee we’d be defending him.”
paps will never be cheered in the bronx, unless he too hits youkilis
Patrick – If he came in to cheers, or simply no boos, and then blew the hold, I would have expected a tidal wave of boos. It was the boos and chants as he entered the game that bothered me … but I think it’s time for me to let it go.
Like I said, I agree he should have kept his mouth shut. But he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed.
And like Ray, I have the utmost respect for Rivera. Any Sox fan who rips Rivera is a moron. Guys like him are one in a million in the game. Those players you talk about for generations. Paps obviously has a long way to go before he reaches that level. Rivera has been maddeningly great for more than a decade.
I think what was lost in all of this is that IF Mo were not to close, then it would be K-Rod, not Papelbon, who should close. K-Rod is on pace to set the single season record in saves. Really, I think Soria has been better than Papelbon this year too. Papelbon has not even been that dominant this year.
“randy l – Did you and Paps by chance matriculate through the same school system? You are pure genius.”
8th inning disappointment-
sorry for the delay. i had to google “matriculate”.
at first i thought you were violating peter’s bad word policy.
i’m a little confused. are you saying papelbon came from a questionable school system?
are you defending him or putting him down?
I have been a Yankee Fan and a baseball fan for 50 years. Despite being a trur “Yankee Lover” I do like to watch other teams and players. I have alot of favorite players, and those include Yankees and players from other teams. Even the hated Red Sox, there are players on this years edition that I respect and actually enjoy watching (except against our Yankees). I am glad that the Red Sox are a great team, otherwise we would not have these great games, and pennant races to enjoy. We should hope both teams stay strong to keep the rivalry alive.
I was at the game last night, and without question it was one of the greatest sproting events I`ve been at. I have been at some awesome Yankee games over the last 50 years, and the Aaron Boone game was the best in recent memory. To see all those great HOFers on the field brought back so many memories. Seeing Willie Mc Covey stand up out of his wheel chair when he was introduced was tremendous. Seeing George come out and circle the field and to think what he has given the Yankees and the fans, despite the craziness, the team has been very successful during his time.
Regarding Papelbon, I usually would frown on over the top hecklers, but last night, I must say, he does deserve what he got.
He is young, so I am not holding it against him, but he obviously said the wrong thing (again). He has a habit of popping off, and as adults we all know that we need to be held accountable for what we say, Especially to the press.
By the way, I have been to Fenway, and during some big Yankee Red Sox games, and you know what? They let our guys have it there too. If he wanted to be treated better, or to fly under the radar, he should have respected the hometown team, fans, and probably their best player.
He almost blew the game besides.
As a side it was truly fitting that Kazmir struck out Wright.
The AL looked like the Yankees unable to get the run in from third, so I guess our guys are not that bad.
Lastly, as seen again last night great pitching always shutdown ALL STAR calibre hitting, so again I say for Cashman to get us two high end starting pitchers, if they are out there. The other player I want had an opposite field homer last night (Holliday) so I`m hoping Cash makes some moves.
Love Francona. Truthfully, I’d love to have him managing the Yanks instead of Girardi, but the Red Sox are certainly going to hold on to him for some time to come. Classy, honest guy.
Papelbon brought this on himself … how could you be so ignorant of your surroundings and not recognize the moment. To even insinuate that he should be closing over Mo was stupid.
Having said that, I think Yankee fans need to move past this as well.
If it didnt bother Mo … and i am sure that he dealt with it in his usual classy way, then us Yankee fans should follow his lead and move on too.
Here’s my two cents.
This whole Papelbon is a bit overblown. Yes, the guy needs to show a bit more class and respect, and yes he is a dolt, but it’s not like he went to Monument Park and peed on the monuments.
The Hall of Famers on the field before the game was incredible! I must be getting old since I saw so many of those guys play.
I would have liked to see a louder ovation for Steinbrenner.
I have no problems with the Red Sox players getting booed. It’s part of the rivalry. I don’t remember the Yankees getting ovations when the ASG was at Fenway in 1999.
The Bleacher Creatures blew it during role call. They should have chanted the names of all the AL starters, even Youkilis, Pedroia, and Manny.
One more thing. The defense in the game (aside from Uggla) was awesome. I really like Micheal Young, he is a great player. Morneau is something else too. Tejada always plays big in big games, got a hit off of Mo. the game was pretty intense. Mcclouths throw was money. The pitching was impressive on both sides. Hate to say this but I think Reyes deserved to be there based on his numbers, but maybe it was best he wasn`t there as he too could have made an a** of himself and maybe gotten beat on like Paps.
Francona is quality, class all the way. I loved Hurdles managing attitude, especially loading the bases with 0 outs and then getting the two ground balls
ESPN First Take on ESPN2- just heard them say coming up soon we talk with a minor league switch pitcher.
If you want to hear an interview with Pat Venditte, it should be on soon.
Pat Venditte will be on First Take in a next couple of minutes.
Got me Pat
I am not surprised about how Francona handled everything. It’s about time the Sox gave us something to not hate about them! I’m grateful and I know the league and the rest of the fans were happy with the whole event and a lot of it was Francona.
ok so all that all star crap is out of the way….i have decided that matsui missing the rest of the year is the final straw, the yankees need to be dealing giambi, abreu, damon and farnsworth from now till the deadline. ill be rooting for our guys the rest of the way of course, but this team isnt going to the PS and its time to reset the roster for next year.
The Worm has turned.
It’s become the yankee fans that are obsessed with all things Red Sox even at the loss of wanting to win a game that would ensure home-field in a World Series. So what? I guess Yankee fans don’t really consider their team to have a shot, so why not root against the Red Sox.
They booed Ortiz during the Home Run Derby, chanted “Red Sox Suck!” during the roll call, and rooted for Papelbon to have a lousy outing.
Steinbrenner Youth was exposed in front of a national audience. They no longer care about winning, they just care about the Red Sox losing. Sounds a lot like Red Sox Nation before the 2004 ALCS.
The Worm has turned.
First and foremost – hats off to the Yankees and MLB for a fantastic sendoff to the Stadium.
A few thoughts on Papelbon:
1. The difference between his outing and Mo’s was really just where Navarro threw the ball.
2. Papelbon, said things juuust wrong enough that the press could have a field day. Hey, it sells papers.
3. Final point: Papelbon has also PO’d Sox fans pretty good this year by flat-out stating he’s walking for big money when he’s eligible to do so (yes, his mouth annoys EVERYBODY). That would’ve actually made him a good target for Yankees money — right around the time Mo’s likely to retire — which of course means that now he’ll be going to the Mets, or maybe even re-signing. See, Paps signing with the Yankees would’ve been about as grating in Boston as Clemens, Boggs, and Damon. NYY fans won the “in yo face” battle but just lost the war. The prospect of Clemens ever coming back to the Red Sox ended when Debbie got harassed at Fenway.
Oh BTW, Guiseppe Franco managed to get his IP banned from Sons of Sam Horn. He’s officially been thrown under the bus. Pete just hasn’t got around to it yet.
Meanhwile, the Francona did everything to avoid the smallest slight towards the Yankees. He’s a smart man, why give a fading team even a hint of motivation. And whether they needed it or not, the Red Sox now have plenty of new motivation to show the Yankees who’s in now in charge.
Dumb and probably costly move by the fans of the NY Yankees.
I have no problem with Papelbon thinking he’s the greatest closer. That should be a closers mentality. What he needs to do is have a filter between his brain and his mouth installed.
He learned a big lesson this week. The writers in some cities protect their players by putting a happy spin on what they say or do. Then there’s NY.
what a long day i had, i did the fan fest and the game last night, i am exhausted
Hey Peter Abraham I do enjoy reading your blog and agree with you about Francona. However, I totally disagree with you about Role Call! The Bleacher Creatures did it right. Youkillis and all those bums don’t wear yankee uniforms and did not deserve it. Role Call is for the Yankees! All-Star Game or no All-Star Game Creatures did it right.
I disagree. I’m happy that the Bleachers only acknowledged the Yankees on the field. It’s YANKEE Stadium. I don’t even see how it’s that big a deal. Very classy stuff though with the Bobby Murcer chant. That was one of the loudest chants I heard watching on TV. Did they hold a moment to honor him during the pregame ceremonies on the field? If so, I missed it. And if not, terrible job by those who planned it. I did see Fox acknowledge Bobby a couple of times during the game though.
I love the ovation Josh Hamilton received. That young man can hit, and if he takes this experience back to Texas with him and grows a desire to be a Yankee, there’s plenty more where that came from, Josh! Now, there may be some boos mixed in as well, but as long as you bat .900 you’ll be fine.
I do appreciate the idea that Francona let Jeter and A-Rod get ovations, but I would have rather have seen them in the game a little longer. A-Rod especially came out way too early, and the fans didn’t even realize he was leaving the game. It would’ve been cool if they both came out together with an out in the 7th.
If Francona knew so early that he would use Mariano in the 9th, why didn’t he just say it to the media? Why play it out so that I’ve got 2 articles and 3 columns in Newsday about it yesterday? Then again, not much else to write about, so you media types are the ones who owe Francona a thank you.
If the Rays knew they didn’t want Kazmir to pitch, he should’ve been replaced late on the roster. Same thing with any other pitcher in that situation. I also happen to think, since the game counts and all, that 4 more pitchers should be added to each roster, in case of extra innings (could be a nice chance to give some setup men in baseball the spotlight). The starting position players should go at least 6 or 7 innings before coming out, and the starting pitchers of the game should expect to go 3 innings. Not everyone on both squads has to be used. That’s why they’re RESERVES. I just think those few changes in roster and managing approach would improve the quality of the game in the later innings. Overall it was a good game last night, but it became a snooze fest at some points. Francona was also very lucky because a tie would have been a nightmare. Even though the AL celebrated the victory last night, it’s clear that winning the game is still an afterthought.
HeHE!
Typical Saux fans!
Looking to Yankee blogs for approval.
It’s none other than the famed Boston “Love Me Daddy” inferiority complex.
God, I love the smell of Red Saux trolls in the morning – smells like victory!!
Bleacher creatures? I was wondering how`d they handle it, I have only sat/stood out there a few times, but those people are the heart and soul hard core Yankee fans, they cannot roll call hated Red Sox. Understood that.
The crowd was kind of weird. I could way be way off base but it reminds me of what might be the case next season at the new stadium. I dont know how many true Yankee fans got in to the game last night, and how many were priced out. It looked like some fans were the more casual types, not hard core baseball fans. I worry with the ticket prices going up, and maybe only corporate people being able to afford it, it may bring out a less enthusiastic fanbase. Outside of the bleachers the crowd at times looked indifferent. Correct me if I`m wrong
BLEACHER CREATURES= CLOWNS
Good Morning!
My wife and I sat in the bleachers in LF last night, and we had a the experience of a lifetime. Reading Pete’s stories this morning allowed me to relive this a little bit.
1. I was struck by how much this felt like a Yankees’ game. The number of fans in Yankee gear, and the atmosphere, was remarkable. It really felt like being at a party, a celebration of baseball, Yankee Stadium, and Yankee history.
2. The pre-game ceremonies, from the Hall of Famers, to the cadets holding the flag, to George riding around the field, obviously crying, was tremendous and struck the right note.
3. So many memories, but the best part of the night was Mariano entering the game. The fan response had everyone in the ESPN booth, Steve Phillips, Chris Berman, Kruk, everyone, stopping what they were doing (and you figure these guys have been to a few ballgames) to watch and listen to the crowd sign “Enter Sandman”.
I salute Pete for his writing and blogging through a very long night. Great coverage.
I too was appalled in the 8th inning. I understand that Papelbon talks a bit too much, but everything was blown out of proportion. No one cares that he did call Mo the godfather of closers.
I think the fans should have booed him on his walk to the mound and during warm-ups. Once the inning started, shut up. This guy is trying to help your team win. And despite those boos, he managed to strike out two guys and get an easy fly out. If the damn catcher hadn’t thrown it away, Pap would have left the inning with a man on first, maybe second, and no runs.
o sorry, is this the papelbon blog? i thought it had something to do with the yankees.
Jensen was a great player. Your post about Yankees rooting against the Red Sox and obsessing, I dont think its there yet, The Met fans have that covered pretty well. Paps to NY?? Never happened, even before this incident. He will be a Red Sox for life. So I dont feel that the Yankee fans blew anything booing him last night.
I also think Rivera has two more quality years, and there are other fish in the sea to choose other than Paps. We want paps in boston because we handle him better than most teams do in the ninth inning
Mets have a lot of money coming off the books, is there any doubt they will be the front-runners for K-Rod?
“If the damn catcher hadn’t thrown it away”
blame the catcher….classy!
Francona was good, no doubt. reminds me of how Torre handled Nomar in the all-star game in Fenway.
Papelpon’s quotes – much as i hate to defend a Red Sock, the media mostly quoted him out of context, and once that happened he was going to be treated like John Rocker. for example, Pete’s post, http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/14/papelbon-i-want-to-close-tomorrow-night/, does not convey the respect for the situation that Papelbon expressed in reality.
I didn’t realize what Papelbon actually said until Fox showed the actual quote last night. much different than how the NY media presented it.
dont you think the mets fans habit of eating thier own closer for lunch everyday might sway K-rod to go somewhere else?
i was watchin the game last night and i could hear the mariano chants and the overrated one, but what were some of the others? cause i know i heard a few obsenities but i couldnt make them out thanks to joe bucks rambling. anyone at the game wanna give us the inside scoop?
No matter what it was, the kid deserved it. i mean joba is young and cocky but could any of you imagine him saying something like that in this situation? then to get bent outta shape about it during later interviews is just a pr nightmare. at that point you sit there and say “hey, i said something stupid and now im gonna hear it from the fans and i deserve it cause its mariano freakin rivera.” end of story.
Terry Francona is a class act and a great manager. He’s great for baseball and I loved the way he respected the Yankees and the game last night. Best manager in baseball. Here’s to his team finishing third.
id say the front runners for krod will be the angels. he wants his free agency and moreno will be willing to pay him. hes in an easy environment on a team that has a PS shot every year. i say he cashes in and stays right there.
“Dumb and probably costly move by the fans of the NY Yankees.”
Right, because the fans strap on the stirrups and put on the baseball helmets.
“I dont know how many true Yankee fans got in to the game last night, and how many were priced out. ”
Is a “true” Yankee fan the same as a “true” Yankee player? I didn’t really there was a distinction between the two.
Guess that means I have to hope to be poor enough to never afford to go to a Yankee game and get priced out. That way I can be a “true” Yankee fan and watch the game at home.
Thanks Peter for telling me when to clap. I always clap when the jumbotron tells me to clap. So I appreciate you telling me it will be appropriate to cheer for Francona. Would you like to suggest other times when it is appropriate to cheer?
“I too was appalled in the 8th inning. I understand that Papelbon talks a bit too much, but everything was blown out of proportion. No one cares that he did call Mo the godfather of closers.”
Wouldn’t you feel better being consoled by your fellow Red Sox fans? Papelbon acted like a jerk and he got treated like a jerk.
JD Drew was cheered when he hit his HR. See the difference?
can anyone at the game tell me what they chanted at paps before the mariano and overrated chants started? i could hear some obsenities but joe bucks ramblings got in the way, i had to watch half the game on mute.
Why then did Papelbon carry on like he did on Monday? It makes no sense. Why say you want to close when you know Mo will be the closer? Just say something polite about Mariano and move on.
Meanwhile, whether Yankee fans want to hear it or not, Francona deserves your acclaim. He took Jeter and A-Rod out of the game in the middle of innings so they could get applause from the crowd. He used Mo exactly right.
Hey Pete. How the hell do you even forget that you wrote this just 10 days ago?
When all the stars come out, Rivera deserves honorary start
http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080706/SPORTS01/807060324/-1/SPORTS
What’s in it for you as manager of the rival Red Sox? Glad you asked. After Rivera starts, you can use your guy Jonathan Papelbon as the closer. Papelbon is happy, Boston is happy and you win the game.
It’s a win for everybody.
Do you really think no one notices your constant flip-flopping and constant digs at NY players and Girardi? What’s your problem?
I could easily see K-Rod sign with the Mets for 4 years/56 million of 5 years/70 million.
can we get krod? obviously the competition will be fierce but you are offering him the opportunity to work alongside mariano rivera for the next couple years of his career where he will then be annointed the new yankee closer. to me, its a tough offer to turn down but i understand as a competitor you want to maintain your roll. but the thought of picking up tips from the greatest all time.. i mean, how is that not tempting? especially when a 50 million dollar pay check is also thrown in, ya know, just for good measure.
Peter, I like a lot of the blogging you do, but you seem to be over the line in your suggestions here about who/what/when to cheer and Yankees fans acting “classless”, as some have said. As stated by some of my brethren above, Papelbon ignited this fire, so he must deal with the consequences. If a Yankee pitcher did the same thing, ANYWHERE else, the same treatment would have rightly rained down up him as well. This holier-than-thou approach is nowhere near what the Yankees and there players receive on the road (except from their fans who travel to the see them), so why is it any different now? There is a double-standard here and I’d expect you to see that.
Sometimes I just can’t get over the disdain you have for your audience. Saying something like “Not that this would ever happen, of course, but when the Red Sox come to the Bronx in August, fans should let Francona know they appreciate what he did” is just so rude and presumptuous that I have to laugh at how you continually write about Yankee fans–your readers–as heathens. It’s disappointing that you have such a bad attitude about the fans.
no one should ever tell the fans when or what to do. ever. especially sports writers who have the luxury of actually having their voices heard.
we have no control over ticket prices, food prices, parking, the managers we hire/fire, the players we get or trade away. we have no control over upper management, the farm system, hell we dont even have control over where we can drink (the creatures live a tough life) at a ball game. we have no voice except when we are there. i dont care if we sound like a bunch of obnoxious a**holes, its the only time we are able to make our voices heard.
Hey Pete,
Thanks for all the coverage this week. You made sitting throw 15 innings that much more enjoyable.
I’ve been wanting Matt Holliday for awhile Now. But what would you guys be willing to give up for him?
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_9893992
and no, I don’t want to hear “Melky for Matt” be realistic.
Pap’s comments were perhaps ill-advised, mis-interpreted by Yankee fans displeased at the way the season’s going, and a tad disrespectful to Mariano Rivera, who’s a good guy and a great pitcher. But comparing him to John Rocker is just ridiculous.
“It’s disappointing that you have such a bad attitude about the fans.”
i dont think pete has a bad attitude towards the fans. i really just think at some point you forget what it means to be a fan when youre covering the team like this.
Wouldn’t:Hughes,Tabata,Jackson,Sanchez,Melancon,Montero,Brackman
Would: Anything else
Nice job by Terry Francona yesterday.
Enough with the Papsmear nonsense..
Kiss my big stank dank!
As if posting once wasn’t enough.
Seriously though, I’m 85% convinced that this is the real Papelbon.
Wouldn’t:Hughes,Tabata,Jackson,Sanchez,Melancon,Montero,Brackman
Would: Anything else
Might as well say:
Wouldn’t: Every good prospect
Would: Everyone else
I remember when the ASG starters used to go three innings. You could get to the seventh with three pitchers, and then start mixing and matching. There’s no need to run out of pitchers, and certainly no reason to add more to the squad.
Brent I’m not impressed w/ Matt Holliday at all, I’m more impressed w/ Micheal Young than him.
can we get krod? obviously the competition will be fierce but you are offering him the opportunity to work alongside mariano rivera for the next couple years of his career where he will then be annointed the new yankee closer. to me, its a tough offer to turn down but i understand as a competitor you want to maintain your roll. but the thought of picking up tips from the greatest all time.. i mean, how is that not tempting? especially when a 50 million dollar pay check is also thrown in, ya know, just for good measure.
If I was K-Rod, and I was as much of a Yankee fan as I am now, I would go to the Yankees to set-up Mo. However, knowing my abilities, I would still want “closer” money. It’s one thing to ask for someone to be demoted to the 8th inning role (for a future HOF’er, of course)..but to do that and then be asked to take a pay cut? That’s a little much.
So the question (if this scenario were to occur) is: Would the Yankees be willing to pay exuberant amounts of cash to K-Rod for him to fill the 8th inning role?
Was there ever any question that Francona is a stand up guy? I tip my cap to him regardless of how he handled the All Star game, but you’re right Peter, he did a bang up job.
yeah I am sure the Yankee players would receive applause at the fenway dump!!!!!!
that is nonsense.. look atthe trolls on this site I am sure they would act nice to the yanks.. I have some land in the desert for sale we are building condo’s anyone wantto buy, good deals????
the boston.ny rivalry got out of control yrs. ago and nespn loves it.. and so does fox and idiots like mccarver who is upset because the yanks fired his ass…
the little underdogs pasty white guys from new england have only had a chip on there shoulder for about 70 yrs……
how is that manny suspension going for his assault and battery??????
jonathan papelbon July 16th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Kiss my big stank dank!
Sounds like someone needs to visit the Emily Post Institute
don’t be surprised if you see Cano go for Holliday.
Brent,
Great post above.
It typifies how people on this blog over value the Yankee prospects.
Brent I’m not impressed w/ Matt Holliday at all, I’m more impressed w/ Micheal Young than him.
The stats that were shown of Michael Young yesterday were telling: He’s a great player; Worthy of all the all-star games he’s been voted into. The thing to note here, however, is that he’s a different player. However, I don’t think that one man’s excellence should overshadow Holliday’s ability. Young is a career .300 hitter with 200+ hits in a ton of seasons..but it’s almost unnecessary to compare him to Holliday. They’re both great players, and they would both be great additions to many teams. We don’t need Michael Young, though. Matt Holliday, on the other hand, would bring an unbelievable boost to the Yanks.
Holliday could be plugged into left field and immediately give the Yankees another right-handed jolt in the lineup that they so desperately need. If you sign him to a big contract, you won’t even have to look towards left field with concerns again for another 4-5 years minimum. If the Yankees don’t re-sign Giambi, Matsui (if healthy) can fit into the DH spot with ease, and the Yankees can get Teixeira for first. BAM. THAT’S what you do with all that money that’s coming off the books next season
Nobody is going to give us anything good for Kennedy, McCutchen, Miranda, Curtis, Jones, Karstens etc.
We probably can’t even get Nady for all of them combined.
BTW Matt Holliday is one of the best OF’s around. It’s just not his numbers, it is his work ethic and hustle. He brings his A game every change he gets. This is precisely what this team needs in the clubhouse.
We need young guys who have a fire and are out to earn their pinstripes, not those that have an inflated ego because they wear them. Trust me when I tell you there are far too many Ego’s in that clubhouse..
just look how Joba has his heart with every pitch, Holliday has the same heart as Joba.
And how much does everyone love Papelbon yapping away about closing then blowing the lead. What a chump.
The Boston inferiority complex is by far the most amusing thing I have encountered while living in Boston
It must start at birth
papelbum is a ignorant redneck from Mississippi.. he is not very smart, lacks class, and is an overall moron..
think what you want, any guy with a brain would have shown more class and handled things better.
he is part of the classless sux along with pedroia(idiot) youkilis complains more then O’neill did times 10, and manny the moron..
that is right it is manny being manny that saying is BS.
then you have the likes of schilling(biggest mouth in pro sports) and Varitek.. The captn. who cheap shotted arod(not my favorite player) and contrived the whole fight and who is in the all star game but hits like Jose Molina and just stinks as a player….
the sux get the venom and hatred that they deserve…they play hard and are tough(I wish the Yanks played like them) but are JERKS… THE truth is they are JERKS and that is why they are despised by more then just Yankee fans……
Papelbon deserved every jeer that rained down upon him. Those are the consequences for attempting to show up the best relief pitcher to ever take the mound. He is just your typical red neck hick who shows no class towards this game of baseball. Evidence of that was already shown when he ran out in his underwear after winning the ALCS and pouring beer all over the ALCS trophy. Also another thing. Red Sox fans should get off their high horse. They have 2 Championships in 86 years. They are a team with a losing history. They will never be the prototypical franchise that the New York Yankees are. Its not even comparable. Stop complaining about how we treated Papelbon, we all know how “Red Sox Nation” (ESPN fabrication)acts towards the Yankees at Fenway. Get off your high horse Sox fans, your a fanbase with a losing history remember that.
Brent, well said.
Papelbon may be a classless jerk but Terry Francona is a first class guy.
Dreamers NEWSFLASH the YANKS are not getting Holliday, stop dreaming….
The Yanks will not make any big trades….. THey need Damon back now that matsui is done and the rest of th lineup is underachiving.
Nice to see Jeter hit into a DP last night, a night without him hitting into a DP is so unfamiliar.. He has really lost soemthing this year offensively…Lugo’s offensive production(terrible) is only slightly worse then Jeters……
To Ray,
Corporate fans is what I`m talking about. In my section last night it was a dead crowd, and I was not insinnuating that you need to be poor to be a hard core fan. I just said that many times (World Series especially) Super bowl etc many times A percentage of tickets got to casual high end fans. The types that only to go “big events” . This weekend Beckham is coming to the Meadowlands. Normally the Red Bulls draw what 10,000 fans? Look for 50,000??? and those new 40,000 fans, some may be there because its “an event”. some percentage of the additional fans may not even be soccer fans. Thats my point. With the new stadium newer higher pricing, many hard core fans could get priced out to corporations, those corporations will give them to clients, not neccessarily rabid Yankee fans.
In my section when Steinbrenner took the ride around, only a few people including me cheered. They seemed indifferent, or unaware that it was the Yankee fans chance to thank George for 6 World Championships and a bunch of great highly competitive teams during his tenure
How can cash be “exuberent”? Think you meant “exorbitant.”
stuart,
i am inclined to agree with everything you say except about Pedroia. he’s a good guy, from my area, i’ve hung out with him, and he has class…even for a guy from Woodland, CA.
stuart,
I also agree on Holliday. Not gonna happen w/o paying a king’s ransom. Plus, have any of you looked at the guys stats at Coors vs. The Road? Huge disparity.
He is a good hitter, no doubt, and rumor has it he works hard, so he might work out nicely, but all the same, I doubt it happens this summer.
“Matt Holliday, on the other hand, would bring an unbelievable boost to the Yanks.”
Actually, if you look at his numbers on the road, he’s basically right-handed Matsui away from Coors. Which is very good, but he’s not the Manny-Ramirez-caliber player that people make him out to be. And folks constantly complain about our poor defense…Holliday’s not making it any better. In fact, replacing Damon with Holliday makes the defense appreciably worse.
Also…in your rosy scenario, what did you do with Damon? Move him back to CF?? That’s a lot more hits you just handed our opponents.
Also…what’re you giving up for Holliday? Jackson? Hughes? Both?
Papelbon is a jerk. He backtracked once his PR people got ahold of him but by then it was too late. The rest of the media would have you believe that he was mis-quoted or mis-represented. He wasn’t.
The best part about last night was Papelbon couldn’t even do his stupid looking stare in his normal way during the game. Navarro caused the run, but it was Papelbon’s pitch to him that made it a very difficult throw in the first place.
Papelbon isn’t going to last all that long as a closer. He is far too thin skinned and last night showed how easily he is rocked off his game. His shoulder is a big question mark as well.
Papelbon has been over the top with his stupid comments for a long time. Either he learns to shut up, or learns to deal with the negative reactions to his words, or he will be done early.
Fleas, Matt Holliday will cost a decent amount. Frankly, I don’t care if his splits away from Coors are not that great, he is still a real gamer and plays the game hard. If the Yankees can make one trade he would be the one I hope they target. The pitching is a question because of those absent, but the hitting is hurting this team more.
My big question is if Holliday can play center. If he can, then Holliday should be gone after. Maybe the Rockies would take Kennedy, Melky, Tabata and some other pitching prospects for him. I think they might be looking for more than that though.
Stop talking about K-Rod… no closer is going to give up closing when he’s among the best in the game. No team, even the mega-rich Yankees is going to pay a set up man $ 14 million plus.
I think Holliday is beyond our reach. Besides Garrett Atkins (for 1B) would be a better acquisition. Nady or Bay would seem to be more likely, but virtually any RH hitter with power would help this team for the final 67 games.
Of all the hate in the world I have towards the Red Sox I can cheer for one player on that squad. Thats David Ortiz. He’s a class act, a great personality, and a great ambassador to baseball. EXCEPT!!!!! when he thought he should have gotten the MVP over Derek Jeter in 2006 (DH’s do not deserve MVP Awards IMO). Didnt matter anyway because Jeter got shafted as it is.
Seeing The Boss come out choked me up. He is a household name and cares first and foremost about winning. Thats what we as Yankee fans respect. That we had an owner for so many years who wanted to give us pennant after pennant ring after ring. If a villian like Walter O’Malley, a Tom Yawkey and a Charlie Cominsky can get a call into the HOF than The Boss deserves his spot in the Hall with the other immortals.
Papelbon is the new Jon Rocker.
Matt Holiday has no where near the same production on the road as he does at home. This is usually not that alarming, but given the fact that his home park is Coors Field, that is a BIG problem. Check his splits for each year here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=5940&type=batting&year=2007
His OPS is nearly .200 points lower on the road than at home every year. I am not trying to take anything away from him, b/c I like him a lot, but he is not same player at normal ballparks. I know they supposedly weight down the balls there now, but I am thinking Larry Walker all the way when it comes to Holliday.
G. Love, you’re a moron to make that comparison. Rocker is a racist homophobe. Papelbon is a fun-loving guy who talks too much. Not the same thing.
it amazes me that Yankee fans expect babe Ruth to come back from the dead in trades, they expect the world and want to give nothing in return. It’s about pieces of the pie that make up the whole pie, not one player is going to be as perfect in all areas..
we need a team again and that is our biggest problem we have individuals seeking personal achievement not synergy..
save a seat for me on the Holiday bandwagon. His away splits are not as bad as some of you are making them out to be. .859 OPS the last 2 seasons. of course they look bad compared to his home stats. And he’s got great stats at Fenway…
“Papelbon is a fun-loving guy”
quote of the day, right there…
Humberto sanchez pitched 1 hitless inning with 1 K today, does anyone know the plan with him? he was a starter in the tigers system.
While I have no regrets about the booing for Youkilis, Pedroia and Papelbon, since they have all earned that right with either their big mouths or fists, I did feel that Drew did nothing to earn our wrath and ESPECIALLY Francona did not deserve anything but great applause.
The guy is total class.
I agree that Tito Francona is a class act – he is great with the media too which in Beantown is a short road to the loony-bin.
Humberto Sanchez is coming off of TJ surgery and is from NYC (the bronx?) – The Rockies have scouted him and Ohlendorf recently. He apparently has big upside potential.
Actually, if you look at his numbers on the road, he’s basically right-handed Matsui away from Coors. Which is very good, but he’s not the Manny-Ramirez-caliber player that people make him out to be. And folks constantly complain about our poor defense…Holliday’s not making it any better. In fact, replacing Damon with Holliday makes the defense appreciably worse.
Also…in your rosy scenario, what did you do with Damon? Move him back to CF?? That’s a lot more hits you just handed our opponents.
Also…what’re you giving up for Holliday? Jackson? Hughes? Both?
Apparently I was supposed to submit a written report of my findings.
I believe they view Sanchez as a starter, but will limit him tremendously the rest of the summer.
Veras, Brackman or Melancon will be the closer in 2011.
Fleas is right… most deals suggested here are preposterously one-sided. Unless the Yanks are going to part with Kennedy, Robertson, McCutchen or players at that level I don’t see anything significant happening unless they accept a salary dump like Randy Winn
“Humberto Sanchez is coming off of TJ surgery and is from NYC (the bronx?)”
Yep. He’s from the Bx. If anyone should be able to pitch in the Bronx it’s Humberto.
mark, though I hate to defend the kid, I cannot remember Pedroia ever saying or doing anything disrespectful.
Joba to be on WFAN later with Chris and Kim
Here is what the Yanks should do: trade a ton of our top prospects + Melky for Fuentes and Holliday. Sign Bonds and Sexson for no more than 2 years. Sign Tex and CC. Sign God.
Problems solved.
I’d love to have Holliday on the team but theres no way we are trading for him. Maybe when he’s an FA in 2010. Also Holliday is actually a very good LF. I don’t know how much stock people put in RZR but he has a higher rating than Damon in LF. I’m also assuming he has a better arm than Johnny just because.
Also there is NO way K-rod will sign with the Yankees or anyone else to be a setup man. He has a chance to be the next legendary closer. He has 184 saves and he’s only 26. For reference, Mo has 466. K-rod could easily be the all-time saves leader by the time he’s done.
I do not understand why the Yankees would hold onto Kennedy. Three pitchers is too many to put into the rotation at once, and he has shown signs that he does not have the mental capacity to handle the NY media. They should package him. We have enough young arms that can emerge in a few years, and that would help stager the influx of pitching
K-Rod will probably blow out his arm too early in his career. His throw is violent and that takes it toll on the body.
“He has 184 saves and he’s only 26. For reference, Mo has 466. K-rod could easily be the all-time saves leader by the time he’s done.”
Or his arm could fall off.
The only reason I can think of for not putting Kennedy in a deal now is because his stock is low now. I think Kennedy would have a better career out of NY. He wouldn’t be the first that NY beat down.
I don’t think the Yankees are reluctant to trade him, but it has to be for the right player. Unless he comes up and does well, he won’t get much in trade. The flip of that, if he does well, then they won’t want to trade him because of needing a replacement for Rasner.
Actually, if you look at his numbers on the road, he’s basically right-handed Matsui away from Coors. Which is very good, but he’s not the Manny-Ramirez-caliber player that people make him out to be.
People are talking about his numbers on the road compared to at home and gawking. Granted, you blatantly stated that his away numbers basically make him a right-handed Hideki Matsui, but other people have talked very negatively of his away numbers. I see nothing wrong with them.
He’s hitting .368 at home and .301 on the road. What makes people think that given a change of scenery, he wouldn’t do reasonably well at “home” if he’s with another team? There’s a lot that goes into home-field advantage. Familiarity, fans cheering for you instead of booing, ballpark configurations, etc. I don’t think that Coors field has that much to do with making Holliday as good as he is.
Also, there’s nothing in his average (home or away) that shows he’s a basket-case that can’t hit on the road, that he is terrible with RISP, or anything of the sort. If .300 is the “thumbs-up” mark for a player, and he’s hitting .301 while away, I would consider that good enough. Manny Ramirez numbers? No..but the people who want Manny-like production out of him are looking at the wrong guy.
And folks constantly complain about our poor defense…Holliday’s not making it any better. In fact, replacing Damon with Holliday makes the defense appreciably worse.
That’s a good point. I wouldn’t want Holliday for defensive purposes, believe me. Then again, is Abreu a fixture in right because of his defensive prowess? You’re right: Damon would be better defensively than Holliday. I don’t really have an answer for that unless the Yankees dump Damon, and I don’t see them doing that. So, you got me
mark, though I hate to defend the kid, I cannot remember Pedroia ever saying or doing anything disrespectful.
He did. He mouthed off about Arod sliding into second too hard. It was bad enough that Remy actually said on the radio that Pedroia needed to learn to keep his mouth shut and just play the game.
“I do not understand why the Yankees would hold onto Kennedy. Three pitchers is too many to put into the rotation at once, and he has shown signs that he does not have the mental capacity to handle the NY media. They should package him. ”
Why would they get rid of a pitcher who made it all the way to the majors in under a year. Because he had a bad 2 months in the majors they should get rid of him?
For the life of me I can’t understand this train of thought. If every team reacted this way rookie players there would maybe be 1 homegrown player on each team and every other player would get traded after a 2 month trail in the show.
*2 month trial*
Holliday stinks away from Coors !, not just sucks I mean stinks, the Holliday you saw at Shea that’s the Holliday you would get, 240-260 a double every 6 AB type of guy.
The reason I also put Micheal Young over Holliday is Texas would just want BP arms w/ a #3 SP. I also love his splits, he also in the last 3 seasons is a .367 hitter w/ RISP a RHB, 31 yrs. old a guy you have to believe Texas might move before the deadline.
I do not understand why the Yankees would hold onto Kennedy. Three pitchers is too many to put into the rotation at once, and he has shown signs that he does not have the mental capacity to handle the NY media. They should package him. We have enough young arms that can emerge in a few years, and that would help stagger the influx of pitching
It depends on the pitchers who are being put into the rotation at once. I don’t think there’s a magic number/limit in which young guys can become dependable starters.
Kennedy showed late last year that he has the stuff to get people out..This year he faltered, no doubt, but to say that he has showed that he can’t handle the media is out of the question. I’ve seen him numerous times in post-game interviews and while he didn’t have anything truly enlightening to say, he was there, and he was taking his hits like a man. Also, the kid is young. If you’re ready to ship him out because of the 1.5 month-long problems he had this year, then you might as well get rid of Tabata, too. He’s had trouble “dealing” this year.
“Holliday stinks away from Coors !, not just sucks I mean stinks, the Holliday you saw at Shea that’s the Holliday you would get, 240-260 a double every 6 AB type of guy.
The reason I also put Micheal Young over Holliday is Texas would just want BP arms w/ a #3 SP. I also love his splits, he also in the last 3 seasons is a .367 hitter w/ RISP a RHB, 31 yrs. old a guy you have to believe Texas might move before the deadline.”
This is just so sill on so many levels. First of all Holliday does not stink outside of Coors field at all. Secondly Michael Young is the definition of an average player. why would the Yankees trade for an average SS that would have no where to play?
“Or his arm could fall off.”
Ok well you could say that about every pitcher. Why would K-rod become a setup man when he has a very good shot at being one of the best closers of all time?
BTW teams are starting to inquire about Nelson Cruz who is destroying AAA (who knows he can play COF but no one knows who’s inquiring about him)
Holliday stinks away from Coors !, not just sucks I mean stinks, the Holliday you saw at Shea that’s the Holliday you would get, 240-260 a double every 6 AB type of guy.
He has had 9 AB’s in Shea this year, and he is 1/9. How on Earth does that signify how he will play? He’s hitting .301 away with a .400 OBP. Those are good numbers. You just seem to be making stuff up. Or, in another scenario, you’re taking one series at Shea and deciding whether a player is good or not. Unbelievable.
Brent, I am not concerned about batting average at home versus away, I am concerned with power – particularity because he plays in CO. Is he a 35HR / season guy, or a 20HR / season guy? Big difference IMO. He has twice as many HR at home as on the road the past three seasons. You cannot ignore that. Also, may players play better on the road when they first come to the Yankees. I think he would be one of them, why, b/c he is an Oklahoma kid just like the Mick. Mickey Mantle never really felt comfortable in NY (from what I am told).
I would not mind him, but definitely not at the expense of Cano.
why would the Yankees trade for an average SS that would have no where to play?
That’s a point I forgot to make, too. Pudge Rodriguez is good. Maybe we should go get him. So is Miguel Tejada. Let’s get him too. Ohhh yeah, I forgot..we already have those positions filled.
Now, if Young could play a league-average left field and was a FA, then I might pounce.
“Why would they get rid of a pitcher who made it all the way to the majors in under a year. Because he had a bad 2 months in the majors they should get rid of him?”
If nothing else, his two bad months in the majors showed that making it to the majors in under a year did him absolutely no good. He was rushed and it showed. No reason to give up him, but no reason to think he’s anything more than a #4 starter either. Clearly there is some value in that, but not enough to make him untouchable in trade talks.
I think Holliday isn’t a fit for trade, but the potential is there for him in the 2010 free agent class, as Patrick alluded to.
86w183 mentioned Garrett Atkins, I feel as though he’s even more of a Coors anomaly than Holliday. His OPS home/away split in the last 3 years is even more dramatic: Home-.948/Away-.792. Plus he’s not that great of a defender, so assuming he can transition from 3rd to 1st is easier said than done.
I think the proposition of acquiring a Colorado-bred offensive player in a trade, regardless of the humidor, is dicey when you consider that you’ll have to give up a lot of prospects based on potentially-inflated production. As far as signing Holliday, I could see it happening more so than a trade, for sure.
“I would consider that good enough. Manny Ramirez numbers? No..but the people who want Manny-like production out of him are looking at the wrong guy.”
I agree. But, I think that the market for him is such that it will require trade value commensurate with a 1.000 OPS player to get him. And that you won’t get that kind of production from him. Taking that together with the fact that it’s RF we need to address more urgently than LF, and I just don’t see that Holliday makes a lot of sense…
Also, may players play better on the road when they first come to the Yankees. I think he would be one of them, why, b/c he is an Oklahoma kid just like the Mick. Mickey Mantle never really felt comfortable in NY (from what I am told).
Wow. Where do I begin?
Many players play better on the road when they first come to the Yankees? Ok. Here’s another random stat that has nothing to do with the topic at hand: The NY Media is very intrusive. So what? What does that say about Holliday? Nothing.
Apparently everyone from Oklahoma hates New York. You’re saying that Mickey Mantle never felt comfortable in NY, but managed to put up HOF numbers while there? Bobby Murcer was from Oklahoma, and he did just fine. There’s zero evidence to even make a claim that Holliday wouldn’t do well here because of the media.
Even the “terrible away-from-coors” holliday is an all-star caliber player. I don’t understand why you’re searching so hard for negatives about him.
I agree. But, I think that the market for him is such that it will require trade value commensurate with a 1.000 OPS player to get him. And that you won’t get that kind of production from him. Taking that together with the fact that it’s RF we need to address more urgently than LF, and I just don’t see that Holliday makes a lot of sense…
Yeah, good point. I can wait until 2010.
“Holliday stinks away from Coors !, not just sucks I mean stinks, the Holliday you saw at Shea that’s the Holliday you would get, 240-260 a double every 6 AB type of guy”
Be a lot of parks where his game may not play well. That said, I’d dread the idea of playing half his games in Fenway. He’d hit there and hit big. I’d look out for the Red Sox on him.
Dude with the stupid 6 title in my lifetime comment, learn to count Red Sox have 7 titles.
“If nothing else, his two bad months in the majors showed that making it to the majors in under a year did him absolutely no good. He was rushed and it showed.”
I don’t know if you can definitely say he was rushed. He could have just been going through a pitcher’s slump it happens. What’s the timetable for moving a player through the system who already played in college and absolutely destroyed the minors last year?
testici seems testy…
you need to calm down
Yankee fans were rooting for Papelbon to do poorly, but I doubt many Sox fans were rooting for Rivera to stink. Sox fans wanted to win that game last night, because they believe their team has a real chance at getting to the WS and know how crucial the home-field can be. Yankee fans didn’t give a hoot… they obviously don’t have any real hopes for the 2008 Yankees and used the game as an excuse to boo Red Sox players.
Sad, but true, and every baseball fan that watched the game understood what has happened to the Yankees and their fans.
Brandon—
Where do you get the idea Texas would consider trading Michael Young? He’s 31, he’s their everyday shortstop, he’s a career .302 hitter… and their only six games out of the wild card, so there’s not sellers.
As for Holliday, over the last three years his road ops is .809, while at home he’s 1.106. He’s a very good player no matter where he is, but he’s not a superstar.
But he would sure help this team.
I’m pretty sure that if this game was in Fenway, A-Rod, Jeter, and Rivera would have been booed as well.
Hey Peter,
Good interview with Chuck Wilson on XM today. Baseball through the ages has swung back and forth between the domination of pitching/defense and hitting. I agree that the pendulum has swung back to the former.
The All Star game was amazing yesterday. Great game to be at.
Take it easy.
-John
“I don’t understand why you’re searching so hard for negatives about him.”
I am not, but there is a clear potential for him to not work out. You cited that many ball players play better at home b/c of comfort in their home setting and I find that completely irrelevant in this case. How would he be comfortable in a stadium he has barely played in? There is a clear drop in power in his numbers and you would be crazy to think that there is no Coors field impact. We do not need another LF, and I have heard nothing to indicate he has a RF’s arm.
People on this blog constantly rip Melky, who makes close to the league minimum. How are they going to treat a guy who is making $10 mil this year, and more next year in arbitration, when he enters a slump? I only bring up Mantle to illustrate the fact the a lot of people from rural areas have large troubles making the adjustment to NY. Heck, people from NY have problems make the adjustment to NY.
“What’s the timetable for moving a player through the system who already played in college and absolutely destroyed the minors last year?”
Don’t know. Worked with Joba. Didn’t work with Kennedy. The gap in talent between those two is fairly massive, yet the results in the minors were pretty similar. Yet Joba is clearly ready for prime time and Kennedy is struggling his last couple times out in AAA…….so I still don’t know.
Seems as though Cashman has been a little more careful about running kids quickly thru the system this year though.
Sorry for being a troll, but I just want to ask one question. Isn’t this why we enjoy the rivalry so much? A game involving the Sox and Yankees wouldn’t be the same without some type of drama. I love every game they play because of the intensity.
Whether it’s a walk-off hit from a rookie at Yankee Stadium or Mo blowing a save at Fenway, it’s what makes the games worth watching. Come on, we all know that we love the drama.
And I am dearly looking forward to what the Fenway fans have prepared for A-Rod.
Don’t you just love Red Sox fans who show up on a Yankee blog to cry?
Testici – WAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah I remember the classy reception Mariano got at the Fenway sewer when he got a standing ovation for blowing a save.
Kiss my ass two-time winners. When you win the division 12 out of 13 seasons in a row, feel free to come back and converse with people who have been around a long-time winning team. Until then descend back to the garbage-strewn depths that define you and your team.
this is sick!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/08/newyork.yankees/index.html?eref=T1
“Nice to see Jeter hit into a DP last night, a night without him hitting into a DP is so unfamiliar.. He has really lost soemthing this year offensively…Lugo’s offensive production(terrible) is only slightly worse then Jeters……”
LOL I totally agree
I’m pretty sure that if this game was in Fenway, A-Rod, Jeter, and Rivera would have been booed as well.
Count on it.
holliday is clearly one of the premier hitters in the game. There is not so much to debate here. He will be a great/solid hitter for years.
It is dumb to say the yankees would not trade kennedy, he has proven to be somewhat overrated and his lack of stuff is alarming to a lot of scouts. still they will keep him around because his trade value is relatively low, plus they desperately need more SP to help out. if his trade value goes up, or they can find a good deal, they will trade him. Why not, we have tons of pitching prospects behind him. Although I would not want to give him away for fuentes. I would prefer him to be a complementary chip for a big name player
Kim, just said the nicest stuff about Bobby.
“Seems as though Cashman has been a little more careful about running kids quickly thru the system this year though.”
Cash, has definitely been more deliberate with some of the pitchers moving up this year but like you I also don’t know what the proper timetable to move pitchers up are.
I agree with everything you wrote in your last post however.
pete just wrote a holliday comment
“And I am dearly looking forward to what the Fenway fans have prepared for A-Rod.”
Do you honestly think there is anything that he hasn’t heard or seen before? The Sox last night were treated to the same treatment that A-Rod has dealt with on the road and at home for years.
Fox not only captured all the emotion of George Steinbrenner’s ride around Yankee Stadium Tuesday night, but Joe Buck punctuated what might have been The Boss’ final Bronx appearance by endorsing him for a spot in baseball’s Hall of Fame. Buck presented his pitch to what was likely a huge All-Star viewing audience in the sixth inning. “He (Steinbrenner) should be in the Hall of Fame,” Buck said. “He made a lot of controversial decisions over the course of the years. …But I think you can always say that man, The Boss, was doing what he could to help this Yankee team win.” — NY Daily News
who gives a crap if Joe Buck endorces him or not. You don’t have to be Enstein to know that The Boss will be in Hall. It would have been nice however, to hear the sounds of yankee staduim during the game rather than listening to Joe Buck ramble and ramble and ramble about nothing……Shut up Joe Buck!!!!
“God, I love the smell of Red Saux trolls in the morning – smells like victory!!”
Sorry evan, but that’s 3rd place you’re smelling.
Kennedy has ruined his trade-value.
John wrote :”I’m pretty sure that if this game was in Fenway, A-Rod, Jeter, and Rivera would have been booed as well.”
Sorry John, but I also watched the 1999 All Star game in Fenway in it’s entirety. I remember Ted Williams coming out and all the great hitters of the time, including Jeter, go up to him and act like they were kids. I remember that like it was yesterday. I also remember the Boston fans rooting for EVERYONE on the AL Roster, as the AL went on to victory.
Last night had a great pre-game ceremony to honor Yankee Stadium in its final year, but the game was marred by a bunch of goons who booed members of the ‘home’ team, even the few dozen drunks who hung around to boo JD Drew receive the MVP award. I’ll also remember Josh Hamilton’s slew of tape-measure jobs in the HR derby, but it will be marred by the jerks who booed David Ortiz, who, although unable to play, honored the fans by attending the game.
A lot of good memories mixed in with some of the sorriest fans I’ve ever seen. A disgrace to baseball and to the NY Yankees.
Nah Evan had it right. He remembers being in last place with beaucoup injuries and still taking the division.
Not to worry. The Red Sox will not disappoint. August is their favorite swoon month.
but it will be marred by the jerks who booed David Ortiz, who, although unable to play, honored the fans by attending the game.
Uh, honored the fans? What a riot!!!!!
Who the hell asked him to show up? This was the Ortiz who said he deserved the MVP over Derek Jeter? You might have a short-term memory pal. We don’t.
Anyone saying that they don’t see how we can use IPK when we are starting Ponson and Rasner in the rotation needs to put down the pipe.
mark wrote: “DUh, honored the fans? What a riot!!!!!
Who the hell asked him to show up?”
The 3.5 million fans who voted for Ortiz… next to them, you don’t count, marky.
And how did ARod honor the fans who voted for him? By slipping out the back door 3 hours before the game was over to go out and get laid.
mark wrote: “This was the Ortiz who said he deserved the MVP over Derek Jeter? You might have a short-term memory pal. We don’t.”
Speaking of short term memory… when the hell did Derek Jeter ever win the MVP? I think you ought to go study up on your baseball.
Absolutely ridiculous behavior last night at the stadium regarding Papelbon. He made statements that essentially backed off his initial reaction.
Classy moves by Tito last night. This rivalry thing is a little stupid. I love the intensity, but man, it’s enough with the blood feud already. Grow up, fellow fans.
i’m astounded by the # of sox trolls here today. the AL won yesterday with your manager managing and your RF winning the MVP. figured you’d all be happy. but no, you come here to whine about anything you can find to whine about.
good lord…
Jackie Jensen,
I believe you forgot about the inning in the 1999 All Star Game when Joe Torre wanted to give Nomar a chance to get a big ovation from the Red Sox fans. He replaced him in in mid inning, the same way Francona did for Jeter and ARod last night. Torre replaced Nomar with Jeter and the boos for Jeter outweighed the cheers for Nomar. To say the Red Sox fans rooted for the Yankee plyers in ‘99 is an outright lie. That’s enough troll feeding for me.
If anyone actually threatened Papelbon’s pregnant wife, that was in poor taste. But he sounds more like a hick that doesn’t understand New York, if he actually did fear for his life. It’s pretty funny that he did though. What a jerk that guy is. I’ve never heard a comment from him where he didn’t sound like an ego-maniacal jerk.
Why are so many of you regulars so obsessed with “trolls.”
Peter does a great job with this blog, and as a Red Sox fan I am interested in what’s going on with the Yanks. Kind of goes hand in hand that if you’re a fan of one team, you have an interest in the other, right? I’ve found this to be the best place to get info, thanks to Peter’s updates and some posters’ informed commentary.
In order to be a legit poster here in your eyes do I need to post 60 times a day and say only nice things about the Yanks? This is a great forum for talking baseball. Isn’t it a little more interesting when a Sox fan – or any other non-Yankee fan – chimes in with some thought that comes from a different perspective?
Good grief.
Drive wrote “Torre replaced Nomar with Jeter and the boos for Jeter outweighed the cheers for Nomar. “”
You’re hallucinating. Torre said he did the switch that way to make sure there where cheers for Nomar and not boos for Jeter, and that’s what happened. Jeter even had fun with the crowd when batting the next inning by mimicking Nomar’s quirky warmups.
funny how a member of Steinbrenner Youth remembers it so wrong.
8th inning disappointment ,,, if that is the case then why isn’t mo cocky? you do not have to be cocky,you chose to be or don’t know any better and another thing,papelbon gave up the single that eventually scored.he has been blowing leads all year and is regressing.he is very quickly turning into billy wagner,a few good years and maybe one of the best but never the best.mo has been the best every single year for the most part and this is his best year.the numbers he is putting up are almost impossible.papelbon will never put up the numbers mo will and is.
they booed Reggie at Fenway in 1999
they also booed every other Yankee except Torre and Yogi.
They made fun of Jorge’s kid at Fenway in ‘03 to the point where Jorge wanted to go into the stands after the guy.
so don’t get high and mighty Red Sawx fans… you guys are just as bad if not worse
“I’ll also remember Josh Hamilton’s slew of tape-measure jobs in the HR derby, but it will be marred by the jerks who booed David Ortiz, who, although unable to play, honored the fans by attending the game.”
what business did Ortiz have taking the spotlight off of Hamilton who was putting on a show for the fans.
Ortiz (who is a class act most of the time) should have stayed where he was as opposed to “walking off the field with the cameras on him” Imagine if during the Derby in ‘99 Derek Jeter made his way to home plate (or walked off like Ortiz) to take the spotlight off of McGuire when he was hitting those bombs onto the turnpike.
Jeter would have booed out of the stadium just like ORtiz was on Monday.
you Sawx fans are just as jaded as Yankee fans but you guys are more sensative.
“A lot of good memories mixed in with some of the sorriest fans I’ve ever seen. A disgrace to baseball and to the NY Yankees.”
you have to be kidding. have you been to a Yanks/Sawx game at Fenway?
“And how did ARod honor the fans who voted for him? By slipping out the back door 3 hours before the game was over to go out and get laid.”
Jackie Jensen- i’ll close by agreeing with you. Jeter was there for the entire game and A Rod needed to be there. That is a bad job out of him.
anyone that knows baseball remembers that Jackie Jensen and not Josh Hamilton is king ofd the HR derby.
I think Jensen beat Mantle and Aaron in back to back weeks.
“one thing is for sure, the yankees are not going to win this year.â€
yes because the Yanks have NEVER made up a 6 game deficit after the all star break
to quote Robin Quivers: “PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASSSE”
I have never, in all of my years of watching Yankee baseball hated a player more than Paplebum. He hijacked what was supposed to be a very secial weekend by saying stupid things in the press. I wonder what happened behind closed doors – did Jeter and Mo say something to him?
I understand the Yankee/RedSox rivalry is very heated but he clearly crossed the line with his actions/comments over the past week. It would surprise me one bit to see some sort of action come against him in the very near future. Players have a way of policing themselves and now that all of this info has come out from the reporters, he’s going to have to deal with the consequences.
Championships in the 21st Century :
Red Sox – 2
Yankees – 0
“IT IS HIGH! IT IS FAR! IT IS….. THONG!!!”