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The Yankees added a right-handed bat when they signed Richie Sexson yesterday.
Athletics-Yankees tonight at the Stadium. The Moose fresh off the county fair against Greg Smith.
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Richie Sexson…LOL
what a disgrace by Cashman,Jeter,Mariano,Jorge are getting older by the minute,this team has to win now
Aren’t all teams getting older by the minute? Or is some team aging in reverse?
Jose Canseco claims he’s aging in reverse.
yup, what a disgrace that Brian Cashman isn’t following some guy with the screenname “Philbe”’s mandate to win NOW NOW NOW!!!! we’re the Yankees! we have the right to rape and pillage and win all the time! RAAAARGH!
“Aren’t all teams getting older by the minute? Or is some team aging in reverse?”
Tampa Bay is aging in reverse, they release all the players going into their prime that they can’t afford to sign and replace them with younger budding superstars that they get from the draft for being a crap team every year.
so yesterday i said the yanks should be looking to deal giambi, damon, abreu and farnsworth if they can get some prospects and immediatly ray and others said the yankees cant get anything for them b/c they are becoming fa’s and the yanks would do better by just keeping them for the draft pics.
now i see that the a’s traded blanton and harden, both fa’s-to-be, and got back 7 prospects. this is typical on this board that people say other teams will get a boatload of prospects for thier player but the yankees cant get jack for thiers.
i think we need to be sellers here and try to get find some position players for the future. i dont see this team making the playoffs and it would be more beneficial to get position players further along in thier development than draft picks.
beane is using the pennant races to his advantage i hope cashman can do the same.
“they release all the players going into their prime that they can’t afford to sign and replace them with younger budding superstars that they get from the draft for being a crap team every year.”
Do they really??? Who’s the last guy they dumped as he was heading into his prime???
“now i see that the a’s traded blanton and harden, both fa’s-to-be, and got back 7 prospects.”
they are pitchers, and good ones… who arent making much money, and under control for at least one more year.
“now i see that the a’s traded blanton and harden, both fa’s-to-be, and got back 7 prospects”
Both FA’s to be???? Blanton hits free agency after the 2010 season. Harden is signed thru 2009. These aren’t two month rentals like Giambi and Abreu would be. Also doesn’t hurt that these guys are 8-10 years younger than Giambi and Abreu.
A better comparison would be AJ Burnett, who can be a free agent after this year. Toronto has made it clear that they’d want a package that is at least the equivalent of the draft picks they’d get as compensation if he were to leave via free agency. Nobody’s biting. Cleveland told teams the same thing on Sabathia. Brewers made it work by offering one of the three best hitting prospects in the game. Giambi and Abreu aren’t Sabathia and won’t bring that type of return. Cashman will likely recognize the potential draft pick comp will be better than any potential return in trade
the salaries are not that big with only 2 1/2 months left on the season and the yankees have the money to eat some salary if the return is worth it.
once again, thier players are worth alot more than ours even though blanton has been pretty terrible and harden is one of the most injured pitchers in baseball and may have a degenerative condition.
and according to cott’s both blanton and harden are fa’s after this season.
“and according to cott’s both blanton and harden are fa’s after this season.”
Wrong on both cases. Cubs have an option for ‘09 and Harden doesn’t have the service time to hit free agency til after the ‘09 season. Blanton has only 3 years service time and while he has arbitration rights, doesn’t enter free agency til after 2010.
Rich Harden rhp
4 years/$9M (2005-08), plus $7M 2009 club option
acquired in trade from Oakland 7/8/08
$1M signing bonus
05:$0.5M, 06:$1M, 07:$2M, 08:$4.5M, 09:$7M club option (no buyout)
escalators based on IP
signed extension 4/05, replacing 1 year/$0.3365M for 2005 signed 3/05
ML service: 4.074
Joe Blanton rhp
1 year/$3.7M (2008)
acquired in trade from Oakland 7/17/08
re-signed 1/18/08 (avoided arbitration)
1 year/$0.38M (2007), renewed 3/07
1 year/$0.327M (2006), renewed 3/06
1 year/$0.3165M (2005), re-signed 2/05
drafted 2002 (1-24), $1.4 M signing bonus
ML service: 3.016
besides the fact that the yankees wouldnt get much for Giamgi, Abreu, Farnsworth at this point anyway, there is no cahnce the Yankees would be sellers at the deadline when they are around 5 GB of the WC with over 2 months left in the last year of the original Yankees Stadium.
they may not be buyers, but there is no way they are going to sell unless someone drastically overpays.
and IMO, you left off the player that would be worth the most on their roster: Andy Pettitte.
the Dodgers apparently had a deal in place that included Matt Kemp and a couple pitchers for Sabathia, and the owner nixed the deal.
if you’re going to sell, and the Dodgers are apparently trying to buy, thats the first place I’d call.
i didnt consier that blanton has only 3 yrs mlb time so he isnt an fa but is arbitration eligible. the cubs have a $9M option on harden for next year, sorry
Y’s Guy——You really want the Yankees to be sellers? Oakland is selling off talent and they are a game closer to the playoffs than the Yankees are. Personally I’d rather see them stay the course, protect the best prospects in the system and hope to make a run.
What contender could use Giambi? Angels maybe, but I really don’t think so. Abreu? Arizona is a good fit. The one place I would agree is that if a hot Farnsworth convinces a team he’s worth acquiring I’d jumpt at that opportunity.
Otherwise I see no significant moves unless the price on Burnett, Marte, Nady et al comes way down….
The next two weeks will be interesting.
I hope Sexson isnt playing in place of Giambi. The A`s pitcher is a mediocre lefty, Giambi will do fine against him.
A 3 day binge of corn dogs, funnel cakes and cotton candy should have Moose sufficiently sugared up to be a formidable opponent to the A’s.
ill be rooting for the yankees every game as always, but this team isnt going to the postseason. the remaining schedule is considerable harder than the first half, the injuries are piling up and they only have 3 passable starting pitchers. if sitting on these guys and taking the draft picks for them is the best they can do, then that’s okay but keeping them thinking they’re gonna make a run for the PS is folly.
Greg Smith is not Steve Carlton. Sexson should not play over Giambi tonight
you’ll prob see Sexson at 1B, Giambi as the DH.
Posada can catch, because the Athletics never steal bases.
“Otherwise I see no significant moves unless the price on Burnett, Marte, Nady et al comes way down….”
Burnett’s won’t come down. Seriously doubt he leaves Toronto. Read some scuttlebut that the Pirates will A) not pick up Marte’s $6M option for next year and B) may not offer him arbitration for fear that he might accept (something the Yankees need to worry about with Giambi BTW). That means no comp if he goes to FA. To me that means his price could come down, but the competition for lefthanded relief is still pretty fierce and that could keep the price higher than it otherwise might be.
Jeter, Abreu, Arod, Giambi, Posada, Sexson, Cano, Melky, Gardner.
id imagine thats you’re starting lineup for tonight.
“Greg Smith is not Steve Carlton. Sexson should not play over Giambi tonight”
Definitely isn’t Carlton, but he isn’t bad. He’s young and a little inconsistent, but oveall pretty good. Yanks didn’t exactly catch a break on this Blanton deal. All three guys the A’s are throwing this weekend are better than Blanton is right now.
Would think maybe Christian over Gardner with a lefty, but who knows?
“To me that means his price could come down, but the competition for lefthanded relief is still pretty fierce and that could keep the price higher than it otherwise might be.”
depending on the offers they are getting for Marte and/or Nady and/or Bay, combined with their desire for at least one top A+ prospect in return, I could also see a scenerio where they decide to offer Marte only as a part of a package, where the acquiring team needs to take Bay or Nady along with him.
not likely, but just trying to think outside the box.
“Would think maybe Christian over Gardner with a lefty, but who knows?”
and you know what? six in one hand, one half dozen in the other. Christian or Gardner, at this point, doesnt make much of a difference.
so yeah, you’re prob right, you could see Christian there in the 9 hole, unless they are truly committed to getting Gardner the most ABs possible while he’s up.
I don’t see the Yankees offering arbitration to many of their FAs. Pettite will return or retire. they would have to offer Giambi $ 18.7 (no chance), Abreu $ 12.8 (maybe), Mussina $ 8.9 (yes), Pavano $ 8.8 (giggle), Farns $ 4.7 (forget it) and Hawkins $ 3.0 (aint happening).
Personally I would let them all go. Pettite can come back, but if he doesn’t I’d offer Mussina one year and that’s it.
One more thing Fredo…. Marte for Enrique Wilson is another example of those bad for the future trades.
86W if they offer arbitration why do they have to pay these guys what thier options are worth? cant they turn down giambi’s $18.7M and go to arbitration and submit say $10M and win?
86:
I think they definitely offer arbitration to Abreu because I don’t believe he’ll accept. At his age, he has one last shot at a decent 3-4 contract. Think they offer it to Farnsworth for the same reasons. However, the concern may be that teams will be reluctant to sign him knowing a 1st rounder could be lost which would leave the Yankees stuck with him. Giambi and Mussina, in my opinion, would likely accept arbitration if offered.
With the lack of any production out of Pavano all these years, I doubt he would be an A list player.
Giambi might be a B, but an A? Doubt it. I don’t see them offering him arbitration anyway.
Pettitte will go through his usual long delay before deciding on retirement or playing again. Mussina might think about getting a couple more years.
“cant they turn down giambi’s $18.7M and go to arbitration and submit say $10M and win?”
Yes, they can.
i can definately see the Yankees offering Pettitte, Moose, Abreu and Farnsworth arbitration, and have an agreement in place with Giambi that he would be offered arbitration that he would decline.
I see Pettitte definately coming back, and Moose as a maybe. Farnsworth definately gets offered a multi-year contract elsewhere, so he goes, and prob the same with Abreu, although if there arent better options available, it wouldnt be the worst thing in the world to work out another 1 year deal with him.
“and have an agreement in place with Giambi that he would be offered arbitration that he would decline.”
Why would Giambi agree to that???
“Why would Giambi agree to that???”
because coming off of this season, i think he can get one last multi-year contract as someone’s DH somewhere else.
Giambi doesn’t want to DH. He also likes playing in NY.
i think giambi really wants to remain a Yankee, and the better the season he has this year, the better his chances and he knows it. i dont see Big G doing anything that lessens his chances of coming back.
NO they can’t. The $ 18.7 million is the minimum the Yankees can offer Giambi in arbitration. They can offer him less outside of arbitration, but if they go to Arbitration the team’s figure has to be 80 % of the previous year’s salary.
Teams and players have often agreed to have the team submit for arbitration with the player promising not to accept because it allows them to continue negotiating between the arbitration filing deadline and the hearing.
If you do not offer arbitration, you do not get draft pick compensation for losing a Type-A or Type-B free agent.
I don’t want Pettite AND Mussina back… just makes them even older and more prone to breakdowns… one of them, okay, but not both. With the RH bullpen talent on hand there’s no reason to risk Farnswurst accepting a $ 4.7 million payday for 2009.
“because coming off of this season, i think he can get one last multi-year contract as someone’s DH somewhere else.”
Would respectfully disagree. He’s 38 heading into next season and has had some injury history over the past 3-4 seasons. With MLB being more and more a young man’s game, I don’t see what team would entertain a multi year deal with him.
“NO they can’t. The $ 18.7 million is the minimum the Yankees can offer Giambi in arbitration. They can offer him less outside of arbitration, but if they go to Arbitration the team’s figure has to be 80 % of the previous year’s salary.”
Was not aware of the 80% rule. Plus that would be on top of the $5M buyout, right??? Damn. Yanks can’t offer him arbitration. He’ll accept it in a heartbeat.
thank you 86W i was unaware of the 80% rule.
“With MLB being more and more a young man’s game, I don’t see what team would entertain a multi year deal with him.”
off the top of my head, the teams Bonds couldve played for but didnt because of the whole obvious mess would be in play for Giambi.
Anaheim, Texas, Seattle could all use the offense. Detroit has money to spend, and has needed a LH power threat for years to balance their lineup.
you’ve also got sleeper teams like the Twins, who should have the pitching to contend in the Central but need offensive upgrades.
and who knows… Arizona is close to his Vegas home, maybe they take a chance on plugging him in at 1B and helping out an otherwise very young team.
i just think the options are there for Giambi, and if he finishes strong, he’ll cash in one last time. just my opinion.
wow, The way they are running this team is very sad… THis team is signing all the garbage that garbage teams are letting go of…
unreal.. I liked when Big Stein was healthy much better than this crap.
now, just to add to that, if he falters down the stretch here, and/or gets hurt and misses a couple of weeks with a foot problem, or back dstrain, something like that, then his options would be limited.
in that case, i wouldnt see the Yankees offer arbitration to Giambi, because he would likely accept.
Turn Two:
If Giambi is assured a $18.7 M payday thru arbitration, he’s taking it, no questions asked. Nobody else anywhere will come close that. Hell, a lot of teams won’t want to give him $18.7 over TWO years, nevermind one.
I would expect the Yanks to try and sign Giambi for two years and maybe $ 20 mill… including the buyout. I don’t see anyone except maybe the Angels having an interest in him and they have four multi-million dollar outfielders who share DH as it is.
Giambi and Pettite come back for roughly $ 26 mill… the others go and the Yanks have about $ 60 million to address 1B, RF and two LHP (one starter, one reliever). Dmaon or MAtsui gets traded and off we go….
“I would expect the Yanks to try and sign Giambi for two years and maybe $ 20 mill…”
Yeah, the 2nd year is the “give back” for him not accepting the arbitration, right?? Makes some sense.
Fleas—- I think this is a unique transition season for the Yankees as they prepare to take tens of millions of dollars off the payroll, spend another year further developing the minor league base and position themsleves to be younger, cheaper, more athletic and better for the future.
If they can replace Abreu with Nady or Bay they get five years younger. If Teixiera replaces Giambi at 1B they’re nine years younger. If Sabathia replaces Mussina in the rotation they’re 11 years younger. If Melancon replaces Farsnworth they are ten years younger… you see the possibilities.
It’s why I think much of the criticism of Cashman is off-base. This year was intended to be a transition year where you try tocontend, but do nothing that will make the team older or more expensive in the lng run.
Fredo, we’ll agree to disagree.
ive seen contracts from teams that are a lot more baffling than to give a DH $20-24 million over 2 years, maybe with incentives.
idk, Giambi is a tough call bc he does seem to love playing in NY. nothing is set in stone, and theres a lot of games left to be played.
but i think when push comes to shove, he’ll get a contract somewhere else if he finishes up strong here down the stretch.
86:
Regarding Giambi, I think you’re wrong to assume the $5M buyout could be included in a 2 year deal. He’s got that money locked up now. If he’s passing on an automatic $18.7 for a year, he’s not going to settle for $15M over two years. I’d think you’d be looking at paying him his $5M and giving two years at $11M-$12M each. That would approximate what he’d be giving up.
Or, in the case that he comes up a “B” rather than an “A”, they just kick him loose.
“ive seen contracts from teams that are a lot more baffling than to give a DH $20-24 million over 2 years, maybe with incentives”
I just don’t see where it comes from. Won’t come from Boston. Won’t come from Detroit who already has their long term DH locked up (Cabrera) and need to focus their dough on getting pitching and a shortstop. Won’t be the Angels, who I believe are keeping that DH seat warm for Vlad. Further, you think any of these team would give up a 1st round pick to pay this guy that kind of money???
Giambi will not be back. 5 million buyout, and turn your attention to Texiera. I think Texiera is more important signing than CC to be honest.
Tex has 4-5 quality years left. He would command about 80 million over 5 years. We can absorb that with all the money coming off the books.
Don’t we have a modicum of good news in that Harden and Blanton don’t face the Yankees this weekend?
BTW, Pete, I heard a talk by the Washington Post Chief Technology Officer yesterday, about how newspapers are dying on the print side and trying to recover on the Web side. All I could think about during the talk was how great this blog is.
“Further, you think any of these team would give up a 1st round pick to pay this guy that kind of money???”
yeah, i honestly do. especially the Tigers. now, idk if Giambi wants to play in Detroit, but the long term DH you name, Miguel Cabrera, will still be a 1B for the immediate future, and they need LH power in the worst way.
they gave, what, $36 million or something like that to Sheffield, right?
and the Angels, too. they’re starving for offense, and Giambi’s a California guy. they’ve shown the willingness to pay for the right player the past couple years, and i could see Giambi in play there. Vlad will ultimately be a DH most likely, but for now, he can still play RF, and they only have him under contract i think for 2009 on an option year.
again, this is assuming Gaimbi finishes strong down the stretch. if he doesnt, all of this convo on my end is null and void.
Careful with Greg Smith tonight, probably the best pick off move in baseball
“and the Angels, too. they’re starving for offense, and Giambi’s a California guy. they’ve shown the willingness to pay for the right player the past couple years”
They’ve shown the willingness to pay the WRONG players too. They’re perennially offense-starved out there. And kinda desperate at the top of the organization. I could see them signing Jason, if he finishes the season healthy. Basically…if his agent thinks he can get two years somewhere, he won’t accept arbitration UNLESS he’s decided for personal reasons that he wants to stay a Yankee. Which he might, because he’s got plenty of money.
“Basically…if his agent thinks he can get two years somewhere, he won’t accept arbitration UNLESS he’s decided for personal reasons that he wants to stay a Yankee. Which he might, because he’s got plenty of money.”
Having plenty of money doesn’t mean spit. Everyone’s keeping score on that stuff and if Giambi can accept arbitration and get $18.7 for a year (on top of his $5M buyout), he’s not taking $10M-$11M per somewhere else over 2 years.
“so yesterday i said the yanks should be looking to deal giambi, damon, abreu and farnsworth if they can get some prospects and immediatly ray and others said the yankees cant get anything for them b/c they are becoming fa’s and the yanks would do better by just keeping them for the draft pics.”
Don’t misquote what I said. What I said, and these are not the exact words, is that no team is going to give up good young position players for the Yankees broken down old players.
I don’t think Rich Harden or Joe Blanton fall into the old, broken down outfielder category.
“he’s not taking $10M-$11M per somewhere else over 2 years.”
unless the Yankees tell him he’s not playing everyday, and he wants to go some place he will, or he wants to be closer to home.
id agree that money is mostly everything, but there are definately some other factors at play.
Remember he’s only assured $ 18.7 million for ‘09 IF the Yankees offer him arbitration which they’d be insane to do. That’s why I can see them offering him $ 20 million over two years, $ 5 mill up front, $ 5 mill for ‘09 and # 10 mill for 2010. AS you pointed out the second year is the reward for including the buyout in the deal.
Maybe he could get more than $ 15 guarantees on the open market, but I’d be surprised. None of last year’s significant “investments” appear to be paying off. He’s really up there in years and many of his skills are slipping.
But if the Angels want to pay Giambi and we sign Vlad to DH/RF that would be just fine with me
wow, The way they are running this team is very sad… THis team is signing all the garbage that garbage teams are letting go of…
It’s called responsible spending, and fiscal responsibility…Oh and yeh I hate garbage that can field and hit at a good rate vs LHP which we are 15-15 against. I mean we gave up so much in this deal …
unreal.. I liked when Big Stein was healthy much better than this crap.
He’d have us in a worse position believe it or not.
Careful with Greg Smith tonight, probably the best pick off move in baseball
I’m more concern w/ Oakland’s 2 strike swinging, they have made an effort to address the players to improve here.
“Won’t come from Detroit who already has their long term DH locked up (Cabrera) and need to focus their dough on getting pitching and a shortstop.”
This just made me realize that Detroit could try to sign Sabathia next year and get him too.
None of their pitchers are signed for much money although they’ll have to pay Verlander soon.
“He’d have us in a worse position believe it or not.”
Not
“This just made me realize that Detroit could try to sign Sabathia next year and get him too.”
They could. Irod’s $13M falls off their books. Rogers and Jones at $8M and $7M respectively come off. Renteria at $11M come off. They’ll need some scratch for a SS, but they’ll have $$$ to get into the Sabathia thing.
Go see The Dark Knight.
It’s awesome.
Not
Believe it, we are wher we are because of George, after 2001 he couldn’t take losing to the D’Backs out goes Tino in comes Giambi, Mussina, Sheffield, Womack (who Cashman never wanted) ..his power struggle got us into this drought, not paying attention to the farmsystem. If George were still the boss, Johan would be here still underachieving and overpaid, Randy Johnson would still be here, Gary Sheffield at 3o whatever would still be here. Robi Cano would have been traded, Wang would have been traded, Hughes at 21 would have been traded. If you refuse to see it or know what George’s negatives were than I can’t help you.
“Go see The Dark Knight.
It’s awesome.”
i cant f’n wait. i watched Batman Begins last night just to reacquaint myself with Christian Bale’s badassness.
“If George were still the boss, Johan would be here still underachieving and overpaid, Randy Johnson would still be here, Gary Sheffield at 3o whatever would still be here. Robi Cano would have been traded, Wang would have been traded, Hughes at 21 would have been traded. If you refuse to see it or know what George’s negatives were than I can’t help you.”
Brandon, while i generally agree with your point, to say all of this would have happened isnt really fair to argue.
we dont have any clue who would be here or wouldnt be, but yes, we can assume that perhaps some moves would have been made that could have set back player development further than it already was.
Go see The Dark Knight.
Was the Joker that good ? I grew up on all the Batman movies and shows even the ones w/ the red batphone
Please Brandon, you really go over the top with your views at times. Or are you saying that the Yankees never won any championships with Big Stein calling for things?
Brandon, while i generally agree with your point, to say all of this would have happened isnt really fair to argue.
we dont have any clue who would be here or wouldnt be, but yes, we can assume that perhaps some moves would have been made that could have set back player development further than it already was.
It really is TT, one thing George never had was loyalty to young players, remember how he would have traded Bernie at 21, Mariano how many times before he was made a closer, the guy never had any loyalty to the system. Robi Cano to him would be a bum, Brett Gardner would never touch Yankees Stadium, he’d look for every big name on the market and you know that.
Please Brandon, you really go over the top with your views at times. Or are you saying that the Yankees never won any championships with Big Stein calling for things?
The run started when Stick Micheal and Bob Watson were allowed to build a team during the early 90’s or did you forget ? Stein did one thing step aside and yell, his $$$ was very key but Stick and Watson built that core and Buck.
btw, thanx for all the info on charleston’s prospects, we got alot of there autographs, and we met Jesus Montero’s parents. Bradley Suttle went 2-5, with an amazing play at 3rd base, and he had 3 rbis, including a clutch 2 out 2-run jack in the top of the 11th
sorry, Brandon, its a little too far left for me to argue that. would the team be different than what it is now? certainly, but i’m not going to agree that Big George would have automatically thrown Cano and Wang, and company, out the door as bums.
“The run started when Stick Micheal and Bob Watson were allowed to build a team during the early 90’s or did you forget ? Stein did one thing step aside and yell”
Wasn’t the Boss suspended during the time Stick, Watson and Showalter were putting things together????
IIRC Suttle was on the NCAA Champion Longhorn team – He’s a stud
“but i’m not going to agree that Big George would have automatically thrown Cano and Wang, and company, out the door as bums.”
‘strue. But he probably would have mandated the acquisition of Sabathia, even if they’d managed to talk him out of getting Santana.
“Wasn’t the Boss suspended during the time Stick, Watson and Showalter were putting things together????”
I think that’s Brandon’s point. George was forcibly made to “step aside and yell” while cooler heads reconstructed a better organization.
I think that’s Brandon’s point. George was forcibly made to “step aside and yell†while cooler heads reconstructed a better organization.
Yes.
Steve from Staten Island – oy
Anyone know whether Burnett has the Yankees among the 15 teams listed in his no-trade clause?
Burnett’s contract has an unusual clause where he can opt out at the end of the year if he wants, or he can elect to stay in and make $12 M next year (i think)
With his injury history and inconsistency it seems like a bad option to me – idk whether the Yanks are on the no-trade list.
why are people saying, why did we get sexson, he is very cheap, he can prevent doubles down the line on the field, and he bats like .344 against lefties, and we troubles against a lot of lefties, and he can fight really good, whats there to lose?
guys there is no chance Giambi and his under 200 BA with RISP will be back next yr..
Unless having the 3 1b/DH beecause giambi cannot move and is always getting hurt is to your liking..
the giambi era will be over, count on it…
giambi will sign with a team next yr. for $5 mill…
“he can elect to stay in and make $12 M next year ”
I believe it’s 24 over the next two years. I dunno if he can opt out at the end of next year as well, but probably.
Basically…if you get him and he’s good, he leaves. Hell, even if he sucks but he’s healthy, he might still leave. Carlos Silva got 12 MM per for four years. Even after a down season, you think Burnett’s agent can’t get him a higher average salary than that?
Now, if you trade for him and he gets hurt down the stretch…you’re probably stuck with him for next year at least. Basically, the upside is a rental of dubious quality. Why make that move?
I dunno. Basically, I feel like the Yanks need to turn Abreu, Farnsworth and some young pitching into a new RFer. Likely in separate deals.
“giambi cannot move and is always getting hurt is to your liking..”
Yeah, he’s been hurt all year. It’s really terrible.
Was the Joker that good ? I grew up on all the Batman movies and shows even the ones w/ the red batphone
Yes. Heath Ledger really did a fantastic job. He makes you cringe/shudder and then laugh the next scene. He’s very good at being an eccentric over-the-top villain such as the joker. Some critics say he tried too hard, but with all the hype aside, he really does a magnificent job…better than Nicholson. (Granted, they’re different roles, but Heath Ledger really nailed it).
I saw the midnight showing last night. It was superb. I bought Batman Begins on blu-ray and watched that last night with my friends before we drove to the theater. Awesome
Jays indicate they are seeking a package representative of what the draft pick compensation would be if he goes to free agency. Not sure I see that happening.
i cant wait to see batman, i think im going this afternoon, i have been looking foward to it since i saw the first preview, i heard from critics that heath ledger was outstanding
Batman Begins was the first real Batman movie since the Micheal Keaton/Kim Bassinger one. I can’t wait to see “The Dark Knight” I saw the preview of the bank scene that’s as far as I go w/o spoiling
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I think Sexson will turn his career around as a Yankee and be a .340 hitter with 40 dingers and a .450 OBP by the end of the season.
Stuart:
The issue with Giambi is whether to offer him arbitration. They’d need to offer it in order to get draft pick compensation. My guess is they don’t offer it (for fear that he’ll accept) and let him go, but others were discussing alternatives. Don’t think anyone is wild about the idea of keeping him beyond this year though.
i cant wait to see batman, i think im going this afternoon, i have been looking foward to it since i saw the first preview, i heard from critics that heath ledger was outstanding
My cousin saw it last night I’ve been avoiding his calls since he can never give a review w/o spoiling it. I did hear Heath’s joker was outstanding some say better than Nicholson those were big shoes to fit.
R.I.P. Heath
I think Sexson will turn his career around as a Yankee and be a .340 hitter with 40 dingers and a .450 OBP by the end of the season.
No chance
Burnett’s uncertain contract status and the reluctance of teams to trade for him, thus far, may make him available at less than the market rate.
If the Jays are intent on unloading Burnett to reduce their payroll, so they can be active next year in the free-agent market, they may accept someone like a Karstens and/or Marquez for him.
If Burnett opts out, all the better for the Yankees. If not, then $12 million is a tolerable cost for a year or two, especially with the estimated additional $100 million+ revenue the new Stadium will garner along with the disposal of Pavano and Farnsworth’s worth at the very least.
(I suspect they’ll re-sign Abreu and Giambi at lower salaries and perhaps Pettitte as well.)
They’re talking about Santana’s velocity on the FAN – I wonder if Hank still razzes Cashman about not making that deal now that Johan is in year one of a seven year deal and has already lost 3-4 mph on his heater.
“Jays indicate they are seeking a package representative of what the draft pick compensation would be if he goes to free agency. Not sure I see that happening.”
So they want a first rounder and a supplemental pick? They can have Eric Duncan and Jon Poterson if they’d like.
haha why is duncan such a bust, we should have traded him ages ago when he had some value
I wonder what we fans would be saying if this were happening if Satana was a Yankee instead of a Met.
am i the only one who couldn’t care less for batman, or whatever superhere/comic book movie they’re making these days. from the commercials, the new jokey looks like, a joke! it’s overkill
anyhow, my prediction for tonight’s line-up:
SS Jeter
RF Abreu
3B A-Rod
DH Giambi
C Posada
1B Sexson
2B Cano
CF Cabrera
LF Christian
There would be blood in the streets sunny – and of course Hughes would be dealing in Minnie
“If the Jays are intent on unloading Burnett to reduce their payroll, so they can be active next year in the free-agent market, they may accept someone like a Karstens and/or Marquez for him.”
1) The Jays are not intent on unloading Burnett. Burnett has an option though and it’s likely he’ll exercise it.
2) Toronto knows this and knows a 1st rounder and a sandwich pick (around #40) will be coming their way. Thus to trade him, they’d want compensation commensurate with that. Marquez and/or Karstens won’t cut it.
My God, these stupid trade wishes of some of you.
How about we focus on a real difference maker instead of a pitcher who has hit the DL in nearly every year of his ML career (Burnett)?
haha why is duncan such a bust, we should have traded him ages ago when he had some value
value ? the closest value he had was for Heilman who resembled Armando Benitez for some time.
“If the Jays are intent on unloading Burnett to reduce their payroll, so they can be active next year in the free-agent market, they may accept someone like a Karstens and/or Marquez for him.”
He’ll just opt out at the end of the year unless he hurts himself, so they’ll get two picks for his type-A free-agent self. They have no incentive to salary dump him.
My God, these stupid trade wishes of some of you.
How about we focus on a real difference maker instead of a pitcher who has hit the DL in nearly every year of his ML career (Burnett)?
It hurts for people to think.
Heyman has the Yankees as buyers in his “Daily Scoop”. Everyday outfielder w/ impact bat and a #3/#4 starter are the shopping items. I’m not sure I’m buying this.
Giambi will not be back. It makes no sense to delay the inevitable. Health has been a factor for the past few years and age is right behind. Turn the page, give him his $5M buyout and say it’s been real.
They might as well see what Sexson brings tonight. The Yankees will never find out by keeping him in mothballs.
I will at least commend you all for focusing on the real needs of the Yankees: 4 & 5 starters.
Maybe I am just bold, but I don’t see any reason for the Yankees to bring in a big bat via trade. If they can’t get it done between Jeter, Abreu, A-Rod, Giambi, and Cano, they don’t deserve to go to the playoffs.
They need formidable arms for the rotation to replace Ponson and Rasner. Burnett is not the answer.
“How about we focus on a real difference maker”
How about we focus on figuring out how this organization can be really turned around, instead of looking to spend all our prospect on one big player who won’t really fix things?
They need to find someone who’ll be solid in RF for a couple of years, a replacement at 1B, possibly a replacement CFer, and get some position player talent in the system.
“value ? the closest value he had was for Heilman who resembled Armando Benitez for some time.”
eric duncan was a serious prospect 3-4 years back and was compared to chipper jones. he was the top 1-2 prospect in the yankees farm for a while (granted their farm system blew)
Yesterday Heyman said we would pick up Randy Wolf – I threw up in my mouth
(at least it wasn’t Bronson Arroyo)
Brandon,
Only their not thinking.
“They need formidable arms for the rotation to replace Ponson and Rasner.”
So…you want them to trade for two formidable arms? Even knowing that there’s a solid likelihood that the offense will continue to struggle, thus making the trades moot?
whozat,
You are absolutely right. But I don’t think these necessarily have to be addressed THIS season.
Was that what you were indicating?
Brandon,
Only their not thinking.
Well then they have more in common w/ John Heyman
I have a hunch Heyman is right. All of baseball knows what the Yankees need.
It’s up to Cashman to go after what’s needed to fill the holes.
whozat,
I think the reality of the situation is that the Yankees will not bring in what it would take them to get to the playoffs.
The rotation has its strengths, but down the road Ponson and Rasner are not going to get it done. We can’t rely on the possibility of Wang returning effectively.
I’m not sure there are any really solid moves they can make right now unless it includes bringing in the young talent you mentioned earlier. The question though is, at what cost?
Tex will be 29 over paying him for 7 yrs is probably the Yanks best option for next yr at 1b.
Let Giambi go with out getting any picks.. The chances of Giambi getting hurt this yr. and missing some time over the last 2 months is 50/50%.
For the poster who says Giambi has not gotten hurt this yr., so how about the previous 6 yrs.!!!!!Remember the Marlins WS, Giambi could not play, he is good for at least 1 injury a yr. at the minimum and has the range of a turtle…He also is really clutch exhibited by that 180 BA RISP, even Arod’s is better.
at present the Yanks have 2 guys that will drive in 100 runs this year and abreu and arod are barely on pace to do it…....OUCH
even if we brought guys in to get to the playoffs, come next year and 2 years we would be screwed. We dont have enough to win the world series clearly, no matter how much we get. therefore why ruin the next 3 seasons, that could be EPIC, for a lousy playoff run with aging has been overpayed vets
eric duncan was a serious prospect 3-4 years back and was compared to chipper jones. he was the top 1-2 prospect in the yankees farm for a while (granted their farm system blew)
Oh you talking about Eric ! well for everything he’s not doing. 9 HR 42 RBI 25 XBH and at the halfway point he is 23 years old
(A tease, and a weird one at that)
stuart,
Giambi will be hard for the Yankees to let go of because of his production this year. But this year is a smoke screen.
They need to move on and let him go.
“Was that what you were indicating?”
Yep. This offense hasn’t shown me that it’s going to be potent enough to get the team to/through the post-season. They’d have to get the staff to the point where they could win every game with 4 runs or less. That’s just not going to happen. So, I think they need to start looking into offensive replacements NOW that make the team better over the next three years. One of Jackson or Tabata should show up to help in the OF around 2010, so I’m not so much worried about finding a guy that’ll be a fixture there for the next 6 years. But for the next 2-3 I am.
per MLB4u.com
Contract: A.J. Burnett
signed 5-year deal worth 55M thru 2010 season on 12/6/05- + he receives a 6M signing bonus payable in 2006 and salaries of 1M in 2006 and then 12M each year in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010- + the deal includes a limited NO-TRADE clause that allows him to choose 15 teams at the start of each season to which he can veto deals to- + Burnett has right to opt of the deal after the 2008 season and become a free agent- + Burnett’s wife, Karen, is entitled to eight round-trip limousine trips per season between Toronto and her home in Bowie, Md- + 2005 salary: 3.65M (+100K bonus for 210IP)
Agent: Darek Braunecker
retire #51,
EXACTLY!
hahah yea i realized after you probably thought i meant shelly
I don’t understand why people are so convinced that this team can’t win – if the bats get hot at the right time then anything can happen.
Look at the Cards team that won the WS – they just got hot at the right time. That is why we will not be sellers
“I think the reality of the situation is that the Yankees will not bring in what it would take them to get to the playoffs.”
My point is that they SHOULDN’T. They’re not going to win the series. They can’t score runs, and their rotation is too ravaged by injury. If they had Wang, Joba, Pettitte and Moose with Hughes to hedge against injury, I’d feel a LOT better about making one big move to shore up the team for this year. But that’s not how it is. Any moves they make need to be with an eye towards the future. A future in which Wang will be back, Hughes will probably be a solid contributor (at minimum), and Joba will be throwing a full season of starts. They need a new RFer, though, and next year. And a new 1B.
whozat,
That seems relatively sound.
I just hope they don’t go nuts and dump a bunch of prospects on some bat they hope makes the difference this year.
I for one make a point of not overvaluing all our prospects, but at the same time I don’t want us to overpay for someone.
am i the only one who couldn’t care less for batman, or whatever superhere/comic book movie they’re making these days. from the commercials, the new jokey looks like, a joke! it’s overkill
They’ve been making superhero movies for a while now. The two that have been fixtures over time are Batman and Superman. I could care less about The Hulk, Fantastic 4, etc.
..How can you say that the new Joker looks like a “joke” when every joker before him was a joke themselves? Previous iterations were intended to be campy/funny/hilariously off-the-wall. Chris Nolan reinvented the Joker with a gritty realism and a new look that sends shivers down movie-goers’ spines. It works great, and this is probably how the Joker should have been all along..Unbelievably eccentric and a man who kills for no reason and seeks to gain nothing but to cause chaos.
Alright, I’m done with my batman rant. I’ll actually post on a baseball blog about baseball now.
“I don’t understand why people are so convinced that this team can’t win – if the bats get hot at the right time then anything can happen.”
Because making moves and then betting on a series of unlikely pitcher fielding errors is not a wise strategy. It’s not like that team spent all its young prospects on the Matt Holliday’s of the world in order to get to the postseason and hope for a miracle.
They also didn’t have to get through the Rays, Sox and Angels on their way to the series.
Amazing seeing Jeter hit a HR to the 400 ft sign in CF with MichaelKay saying boy he has a lot of powerlol. I wish for those days.Also hearing the 10 minute conversation on the accolades of Ricky Ledee was fun.
“Maybe I am just bold, but I don’t see any reason for the Yankees to bring in a big bat via trade. If they can’t get it done between Jeter, Abreu, A-Rod, Giambi, and Cano, they don’t deserve to go to the playoffs.”
i actually agree.
but i still think if you can upgrade with an offensive player who isnt just a rental, its worth it, too.
#4-5 pitcher should be the focus. but please, no Randy Wolf… or Bronson Arroyo.
if you are going to upgrade the pitching, then focus on the ‘upgrade’.
“They also didn’t have to get through the Rays, Sox and Angels on their way to the series.”
although each of those teams has flaws, just like the yankees.
those teams have played better so far, but they arent perfect, either.
“I don’t understand why people are so convinced that this team can’t win – if the bats get hot at the right time then anything can happen.”
My sentiments exactly. Until the Mets played the Yankees recently they look dead. Now they look like the best team in the NL East.
Randy Wolfe? Jeez, he’s 1-5 7.06 in hia last six starts.. and that’s in the National League! Rasner has pitched better than that!
I’d like Heath Bell off that pitching staff but not Wolfe.
TKinDC,
I don’t necessarily think we can’t compete this year because you’re right, anything can happen, but with consideration to injuries, underachieving bats, etc., the odds seem to be against it.
I guess my main point is that Cashman doesn’t have to make a huge splash right now and unload talent in the hopes that it makes the difference (ie gets us to the Series). We’re not just one player away from the World Series.
I’d rather we work with what we have now, see where it gets us, and be active in the offseason. I am so tired of these first round exits in the playoffs.
“I just hope they don’t go nuts and dump a bunch of prospects on some bat they hope makes the difference this year.”
Oh, I agree. I also hope that they don’t dump a bunch of prospects on a ”#3” starter that they think will help this year because that ALSO will be futile. I mean, looking at next year…who’s going to be available in trade that would provide better performance than Pettitte or Moose (each of whom would likely take 1 year deals)? Is it worth spending Kennedy and McCutchen on a Blanton-ish pitcher to put behind Wang and Joba, or does it make more sense to put Pettitte and Moose behind them with Hughes, Horne, Kennedy, McCutchen, Aceves et al jockeying for the 5th slot and as insurance against injury?
“although each of those teams has flaws, just like the yankees.
those teams have played better so far, but they arent perfect, either.”
Yes, I know. But they’re better than the teams the Cardinals had to get through to get to the WS in 06. And they had their whole pitching staff magically perform WAAY above their heads.
Look…either the offense they have gets their heads out of their asses and this team looks like a contender…or they don’t, and one big move makes no difference.
TurnTwo,
I agree with that…bringing in a guy who isn’t a rental, but again, it has to be at the right price.
I don’t want to see us get hosed and give up a ton of prospects unnecessarily when there might be a solid option in the FA market this offseason.
You know, for a Mad Prince in Pinstripes, you make an awful lot of sense –
I don’t want Cash to do anything radical that costs a significant prospect. The best case is to trade someone who people think might be good, but you know is limited (like we did with Clausen, Halsey and others in the past.)
“don’t understand why people are so convinced that this team can’t win – if the bats get hot at the right time then anything can happen”
its not that we can’t win. but by trading we will not be able to win for the next three years. We can trade for maybe one big bat, or a 4-5 rotation arm. but by getting the players we need to win, it would ruin our future. we could win this year, but it has to be roughly with what we have. its not worth ruining a bright future
whozat,
Well said.
We have a good team right now. Its not great, but its good. If we can get younger in the next year or two, get our pitchers healthy, and keep the farm stocked, we’ll be bigtime contenders by 2010 (if not sooner).
TKinDC,
Who do you think fits that bill?
“I don’t want to see us get hosed and give up a ton of prospects unnecessarily when there might be a solid option in the FA market this offseason.”
The RF market is hideous. The 1B market is Tex. And he’s good, but not AMAZING. But he’ll require a loooong contract. And that’s worrisome.
Also…if Melky doesn’t pick it up and Gardner doesn’t show that he’s a major leaguer…I’m not sure what they’re going to do about CF. I know there’s Jackson on the horizon, but he’s still a ways away.
“I agree with that…bringing in a guy who isn’t a rental, but again, it has to be at the right price.”
of course.
“guy who isn’t a rental”
which is why a bay/nady/holliday is nice in theory (i think bay is the best option). of course the price could be too much
Honestly? I think IPK fits that – People compared him to Moose as he was coming up, but he compares to Moose as he is now, not Moose when he first came up.
With the talent we have in the pipeline in the starting rotation I would try to get so value for Kennedy – it is too bad he stank up the joint at the start of the year but I think you can sell another team on his potential.
I tend to agree with whozat, but one point I don’t agree with is that one single big move can make a difference.
Sometimes just making a decent change (not picking up the refuse of the league) can recharge the whole team. Sometimes it can go the other way where a team was performing really well, they add a player who should positively impact them and they fall apart.
I don’t see a problem with working on getting some help this year provided it isn’t a rental. If they make a trade have it to cover a weakness for a while, rather than plugging up a hole. If its about a FA, if they are pretty sure they want to sign them longer term, then it might be worth it. It gives a try out under real circumstances.
Its a balancing act, but I will be disappointed if Cashman makes another trade like Procter/Betemit.
“which is why a bay/nady/holliday is nice in theory (i think bay is the best option). of course the price could be too much”
we assume its too much, but we dont know who those organizations value.
but yes, in theory, those guys each fit, bay and holliday, for me, are worth it.
TKinDC,
I was hoping you’d say IPK. I agree.
doesn’t anyone know how bay’s fielding is. if he is above avg. he would be truly ideal for years
“but yes, in theory, those guys each fit, bay and holliday, for me, are worth it.”
You continue to ignore the fact that the Yankees have multiple LFers under contract and that neither of these players is going to able to hold down RF. And the fact that the Pirates do not want to trade Jason Bay.
“we assume its too much, but we dont know who those organizations value. ”
We know the rumors we hear about other teams. David Price, for example. And that’s obviously a high opening bid, but do you think they’d be talked down to Ian Kennedy?
“doesn’t anyone know how bay’s fielding is. if he is above avg. he would be truly ideal for years”
Second worst defensive LFer in the NL, it seems.
“If they make a trade have it to cover a weakness for a while, rather than plugging up a hole.”
Fine. If they can find a solid RF option without spending Hughes, Jackson, Melancon or Montero, that’s not a deal that bothers me. If they can move Abreu for something as well, ok cool. But it’s these deals for big name LFers that I don’t support, or deals for guys having a career year (like Nady).
Does Abreu have a no-trade clause?I figure he will sign a one year deal to stay in NYC, but if wants multiple years I would say adios!
When is Melancon coming up he can be the new set up guy he has tremendous stuff. Bruney can be the 8th inning guy as well I am optimistic about us getting internal bullpen help instead of trading for Fuentes.
Whozat- Granted Nady is having a career year but he is typically solid.
retire#51,
I think Bay fits the bill as someone who will have a high asking price. I guess if he is locked up for a bit then it would be a better focal point, but Cashman would need to be careful about who he sends to Pitt.
I think Bay or Holliday would be great on this team. Does anyone know what their arm is like? RF in yankee stadium is less ground to cover than LF so I’m sure those guys would be fine range-wise. I don’t know how strong either’s arm is, which is a major requirement for RF. Obviously both would cost a premium amount of talent so I don’t really think either are worth trading for this season. Maybe when they hit the FA market.
“When is Melancon coming up he can be the new set up guy he has tremendous stuff. Bruney can be the 8th inning guy as well I am optimistic about us getting internal bullpen help instead of trading for Fuentes.”
We don’t really need bullpen help..
“You continue to ignore the fact that the Yankees have multiple LFers under contract and that neither of these players is going to able to hold down RF. And the fact that the Pirates do not want to trade Jason Bay.”
im not ignoring the fact. you slide them over to RF. case closed. not hard. If Holliday can cover most of the ground in LF at Coors, RF is a breeze at the Stadium. and its only for a season. if you extend him from there, he can slide back to LF if he wants, or you can keep him in RF, where he has to cover less ground.
the Pirates have reportedly been open to trading Bay, but are looking for two prime prospects, and a lower level prospect for him. thats what i base my conclusion here on. if things have changed, then so be it.
“Whozat- Granted Nady is having a career year but he is typically solid.”
Yeah. But trading for a guy during a career year is stupid. I mean…he’s very, very likely to regress to his 105 OPS+ production of the last several years. Do you want to trade Kennedy and Ohlendorf for a RFer who’ll probably hit around .270/.330/.480?
AlfromBK,
Don’t you think we need to see how Melancon’s stuff translates to the ML level before we decide we are unwilling to trade him?
Personally, I’d like to see what he can do. Just curious what you think on that front.
I can’t believe it, but I am in a “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” mode with the bully.
Of course, this just means that Farnsy is going to break my heart at some point.
“http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/pirates-rumor-1.html”
Bay’s not really on the market.
Also…hey, with our RF problems, we should just move Damon over there when he gets off the DL. I mean…you just move him. Case closed. Then we can look for a LFer instead.
It doesn’t work that way.
“And that’s obviously a high opening bid, but do you think they’d be talked down to Ian Kennedy?”
no clue. but you can try. thats why i say, we all circulate the same names when it comes down to trade talks: Jackson, Hughes, IPK, Tabata, yada, yada, yada.
but when has any single one of a fan’s proposed trades in a blog ever come to fruition? none.
we can assume the types of players it would take, but we dont know who the pirates value from our system, or if they would prefer pitchers or position players, if theyd rather take a couple low level guys with upside, or a better prospect who is more polished at an upper level.
we simply dont know, and while its fun to talk about it, we have no clue what/who it would really come down to.
“Also…hey, with our RF problems, we should just move Damon over there when he gets off the DL. I mean…you just move him. Case closed. Then we can look for a LFer instead.”
Damon doesnt have the arm for RF. wouldnt work.
“Don’t you think we need to see how Melancon’s stuff translates to the ML level before we decide we are unwilling to trade him?”
No. You HAVE to identify the guys you want to hang on to before you see them in the bigs. You’re always gambling. You identify the best bets and stick with them. The other pieces you move. Melancon has not only the stuff, but the makeup to succeed here. Those are the guys you hang on to.
“Damon doesnt have the arm for RF. wouldnt work.”
Yes, I know. That’s why I said “It doesn’t work that way.”
My point is that there are reasons that Holliday and Bay have been consigned to LF. It makes no sense to say “easy, you just move them to RF.”
“no clue. but you can try.”
But how is it at all interesting to say “Hey, I’d trade Ian Kennedy for Matt Holliday or Jason Bay.”
Of course you would. Anyone would. Even WITH Damon in LF, I’d make that trade and figure out what else to do later. What’s the point of talking about such an unlikely no-brainer?
whozat,
Interesting take. perhaps youare right.
I guess with the potential depth of pitching in our farm, one might take the risk and trade a guy like Melancon. he was getting hype for this season, I remember that.
“we can assume the types of players it would take, but we dont know who the pirates value from our system, or if they would prefer pitchers or position players”
Well, you could read the link I just posted and at least see that they’re leaning towards pitching. So, we DO know some of these things. We’ve also heard they like Ohly.
whozat,
Ya, Kennedy will have to be part of a big package to land a stud. That guy’s value is pretty low right now compared to where he might have been this past offseason.
“I guess with the potential depth of pitching in our farm, one might take the risk and trade a guy like Melancon.”
Depth is the sort of thing that lets you trade a guy like Kennedy or McCutchen or Horne or Cox. Melancon is the kind of guy that you hang on to no matter what. He’s a bulldog with great stuff and a short memory. He’s lived up to that hype this season, pretty much. You want this kid in your bullpen next year.
“Ya, Kennedy will have to be part of a big package to land a stud. That guy’s value is pretty low right now compared to where he might have been this past offseason.”
It’s true. But, we didn’t yet have guys like McCutchen showing promise in AAA yet last offseason. He still has a lot of value.
Personally I’d trade every prospect except for AJax, Montero, and Phil Hughes.
For the right player and price everyone else would be available.
Now I wouldn’t be trade stupidly but I’d be willing to listen to any offer that doesn’t include AJax, Montero and Phil Hughes.
Prince in stripes- with prospects like whozat said you have to hedge your bets if Melancon comes up and disappoints then his trade value is lessened. You must gamble on who is worth keeping and who isnt. I never said dont trade Melancon just not for Fuentes who can leave after the season. Patrick- we do need bullpen help Farnsy will come back to Farnsy levels and Veras is not a given.
truthfully i think if we had a weaker farm system, it would be easier to use chips like kennedy and horne/cox. however since we have so many good prospects ahead of them, other gms may always try to move up our prospect list
Call me crazy, but Tabata is a guy I would send packing. Too many question marks these days. The only reason I am reluctant to trade him is because of the low amount of position prospects of value that we have.
“My point is that there are reasons that Holliday and Bay have been consigned to LF. It makes no sense to say “easy, you just move them to RF.â€
ive seen Holliday and Bay play. if Abreu can handle RF at the Stadium, so can they.
“Well, you could read the link I just posted and at least see that they’re leaning towards pitching. So, we DO know some of these things. We’ve also heard they like Ohly.”
there is a lot thats reported that is simply not true, so i’ll take that with a grain of salt. however, if you take a look at who they have coming thru their system, it would make sense they want pitching. What pitching they value in our system is the question.
Perhaps you can offer IPK and Olhy, and then a upside arm below like Betances or McAllister, or Christian Garcia, or Jairo Heredia. we have an abundance of these guys, and tell them we want Bay and Marte back in return.
IPK was the better out of him and Franchise even though both of them were terrible. I am very concerned about Hughes IPK was never supposed to be an Ace type 1 or 2 guy Hughes is supposed to be that guy. This season even prior to his latest rash of injuries he couldn’t find the zone and his stuff didn’t look sharp.
Perhaps you can offer IPK and Olhy, and then a upside arm below like Betances or McAllister, or Christian Garcia, or Jairo Heredia. we have an abundance of these guys, and tell them we want Bay and Marte back in return.
yea i would try to keep betances out of it
“Call me crazy, but Tabata is a guy I would send packing. Too many question marks these days. The only reason I am reluctant to trade him is because of the low amount of position prospects of value that we have.”
Well put Tabata still has value and I see Ajax as the stronger prospect if he can be a cornerstone of a good deal pull the trigger.
Al,
I think there are a lot questin marks hanging over Hughes because of his injury history. The hope is that he gets healthy, his body matures, and he lives up to the hype. On the flip side, you hope the Yankees don’t give him as much time as the Cubs gave Prior or Wood because those were two retarded waiting periods.
I think tabata has more upside, but has shown he is riskier. I would trade him, but it would have to be for a good position player who we could sign long term
Al,
That is along the lines of my thinking as far as Tabata and AJax go. I hate headcases and I get the feeling that Tabata might be one.
I cant believe we are ready to wait until 2010 for a good team. If you check out the farm system (at all levels) there is no one who can hit and no one who can hit with power. Other than Joba where are all of the young arms? Certainly not Kennedy or the man with mystery ailmanets Hughes. The fact is that we have a very old team that are all showing their age in the same year. In addition our “young guys” Canoe and Melky have been duds. This team was shaped by Cashman so he owns the results. I think if you accept that this is a transiton then how about really cleaning house and bringing in someone that can evaluate talent (especially pitchers) like the Red Sox, Angles and A’s have? These are the Yankees, you expect more
Paulie- Jackson has developing power and the stance of a power hitter similar to sheffield I think in another years or so he will be highly touted.
Al from BK—Austin Jackson has 8 home runs in 95 games in double a. I hope he does develop but certainly he has a very very long way to go. When Kai Igwaw is the leading pitcher in the farm team you have to wonder where all the talent is.
you don’t sell the whole team if you are only 5 or 6 games out and the reason the a’s get a lot in return is because they got rid of real good pitchers with cheap contracts and at the right time.the yankees are learning,give them time.nobody will give you a boatload of players for matsui,damon when they are making 13 million a year and if we traqded for cc or haren teams were asking for joba or a package of hughes,cano and a prospect.i wouldn’t mind trading kennedy,melky and a prospect but i think teams wanted hughes and a lot more.i just hope the yankees don’t hold onto some of these prospects to long and miss the party.keep hughes,ajax,montero,brackman and wait for free agency and get an ace at all costs.with cc,wang,joba the yankees will be untouchable.